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RiffTrax Discussion => Individual RiffTrax Discussion => Plan 9 from Outer Space => Topic started by: mrbasehart on August 23, 2006, 06:48:14 AM

Title: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: mrbasehart on August 23, 2006, 06:48:14 AM
...but what the hell!

I was just wondering why the guys never did this movie? It's public domain, so there would've been no problem with the rights.  I don't think there's any problems with its classification (unlike perhaps NOTLD), and it's by Ed Wood! Did they think it would be too obvious a choice?
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: trickfred on August 23, 2006, 07:07:22 AM
'I haven?t seen it in some time, though I do remember we screened it for MST and we finally turned it down because it just had too much narration.  I don?t like narration on films.  It means they?re not doing their job.'

http://tom-servo.home.mindspring.com/special-events_interview_mike-nelson-2-main.html

'You know, for ?Plan 9,? I think we considered that at ?Mystery Science Theater,? then we decided for whatever reason not to do it. I think somebody said, ?Oh, we can?t take it on. It?s so famous, people love to watch it on its own.? But I just thought, well, that?s kind of what we do! So, yeah, for whatever reason, I think we voted not to do that. So when I had the chance to do it, yeah, I was pretty excited.'

http://www.bullz-eye.com/entertainment/interviews/2006/mike_nelson.htm

Odd that he changed his mind... Hmm...
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: MrTorso on August 23, 2006, 10:22:21 AM
For doing a funny commentary track it was fine. There are plenty of stretches where he doesn't say anything. On MST3K the riffs were constant so with all the narration I don't think it would have a made a good episode.



Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: gammer on August 23, 2006, 10:59:49 AM
I have read/heard that MST3K didn't want to do it because it had too much dialog. I guess this made it hard for M/J & TB's to get their riffs inbetween the talking?? It was also stated that even though it was a bad movie, it didnt fit with the style of movie they wanted to riff.
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Tarantulas on August 24, 2006, 08:25:06 AM
If you watch some of the rough cut tapes of the gang in action, there is always the discussion of wither the film or short is "too talky".

And believe you me, for fan riffers, its just a big of a problem.  If its too chatty, you can't get your riffs in.

On top of all of this, Plan 9 is sort of a holy grail of bad film.. they may have thought that it was so bad that it was not worth doing.

However, I do enjoy the Rifftrax treatment.
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: LadyKenobi on August 24, 2006, 11:01:16 AM
What struck me about this film was that it was so BAD... just SO bad... even by MST standards. I know that's the point, and all, but this had to be the most cheaply produced thing I've ever seen.  Did they even attempt to find competent actors?  And, I mean, the cardboard mausoleum...  Did Wood have a production budget of like a dollar and thirty-seven cents?
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: gammer on August 25, 2006, 07:12:27 AM
If you haven't seen it yet, I *HIGHLY* recommend watching the Tim Burton/Johnny Depp movie: Ed Wood

It gives you good insight into Woods life. It highlights some of the making of Plan 9. It was pretty funny and I liked it alot.

I've read that this movie is pretty accurate at illustrating Ed Woods life.
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: punkmonkey on August 25, 2006, 10:11:05 AM
Well, they left out his alcoholism, his manic depression and his descent into making cheap porn.

Ed Wood's porn was enough to scar me in a deep spiritual way.  It's not so bad it's good; it's so bad it's scary and depressing.

But Ed Wood is a fantastic film.  Martin Landau as Lugosi is alone worth the price of admission.
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: gammer on August 25, 2006, 12:31:03 PM
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Well, they left out his alcoholism, his manic depression and his descent into making cheap porn.

You're correct. However, they didnt get to that part of his life in the Ed Wood film. They just did up to the release of Plan 9 and stopped after that. They did have a blurb on each person in the end credits to inform you 'where they are now'.

And yes, Landau's Legosi was amazing. Didn't he win an award for that? I was pretty sure he did.
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: mrbasehart on August 25, 2006, 07:36:08 PM
Yeah, I bought the movie a couple of years back from ebay real cheap.  And of course as soon as I'd seen it, I bought the Ed Wood box-set, containing all the usual "classics" but without The Sinister Urge or any of his later porn movies.  I think I read somewhere that a film historian was recently able to track down a print of a late Ed Wood film called Terrormania, or Horrormania, something like that.  I think Bride of the Monster is his best movie. 
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: ZachsMind on August 25, 2006, 08:04:02 PM
I just got done watching Plan 9 after buying the RiffTrax for it. I'd have to concur with the sentiments that it wouldn't have worked for MST3K. The bots wouldn't have been able to get their words in at some points. At other places though you could perform junior high school marching bands through it. This one worked much better with just Mike by himself. I'm glad they didn't try it during the series. With that said, why haven't they ever tried Attack of the Killer Tomatoes..?

*ducking*
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: mixedupzombie on August 30, 2006, 02:59:02 PM
Attack of the killer Tomatoes is one that's a natural for rifftrax, but my guess is it has the same too-talky issues as other rejected flicks.

And Re: Plan 9, was I the only one a bit uncomfortable after the 6th or 7th Lugosi-heroine joke?
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on August 30, 2006, 04:08:51 PM
I think Bride of the Monster is his best movie.

Me too. It's the only time Ed Wood made a decent movie.

With that said, why haven't they ever tried Attack of the Killer Tomatoes..?

Because it was INTENDED to be a comedy?
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: dlobro1080 on August 31, 2006, 09:35:05 AM
See, I would've thought that something like PLAN 9 should've been used for MST3K: The Movie, as opposed to This Island Earth.  PLAN 9 is the grandfather of bad movies, and it would've been perfect to lampoon/tribute its badness with the movie version of MST3K.  Instead they picked This Island Earth, which a lot of people kinda like. 

(This isn't to say I don't love MST3K The Movie -- I do.)
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on August 31, 2006, 11:46:35 AM
Well, with the movie, they wanted to use a movie that had a larger budget than some of the stuff they had riffed on for the TV series, because they didn't think that anyone would actually sit down in a theater to watch these little shoestring-budget movies they used for the TV series. This Island Earth was an excellent choice, because it was owned by the people who were producing the film.
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Tarantulas on September 01, 2006, 07:30:52 AM
The trouble is that for a feature length movie, you really can't use something that is unwatchable.

"This Island Earth" still get a lot of respect in the scifi community, and isn't a terrible movie to watch due to its high production values and good story.

Plus, its color...  Can you imagine the average joe movie watcher who was not a fan of MST3K going into the theater to watch a 2 hour black and white movie?
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: daltysmilth on October 27, 2006, 04:26:41 PM
I concur with some of the other people in that it may have just been too "legendary" to do on the show.  It already had a reputation. 
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: DeadlyCinema on March 02, 2007, 05:38:48 PM
Ed Wood is my hero.

Matthew
myspace.com/deadlycinema
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Minnesota on March 03, 2007, 12:22:33 AM
Matt is a HUGE johnny depp fan ^^^


hehe, I kid of course, um ed wood seriously


... on a side note Mike Nelson is my hero :P
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: DeadlyCinema on March 03, 2007, 10:43:18 PM
"Matt is a HUGE johnny depp fan ^^^"

I'd argue with you if THAT weren't true as well, heh.

Matthew
myspace.com/deadlycinema

Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on March 25, 2007, 04:35:15 PM
You know, I think that in the future excessively talky movies might be riffed by use of riff-subs or something
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: MSTJedi on March 26, 2007, 07:19:00 PM
They did do one extensively narrated movie on MST3K - The Creeping Terror. Of course, after that, I can understand why they wouldn't want to do it again.
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Minnesota on March 27, 2007, 06:15:34 AM
You know, I think that in the future excessively talky movies might be riffed by use of riff-subs or something

Well, I'm definetly a fan of the show Blind Date... is that what you mean?
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: BEERxTaco on March 27, 2007, 06:18:18 AM
hmmm Riff-Subs.... kinda like Pop-Up Video?
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 15, 2007, 12:28:39 AM
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Well, they left out his alcoholism, his manic depression and his descent into making cheap porn.

You're correct. However, they didnt get to that part of his life in the Ed Wood film. They just did up to the release of Plan 9 and stopped after that. They did have a blurb on each person in the end credits to inform you 'where they are now'.

And yes, Landau's Legosi was amazing. Didn't he win an award for that? I was pretty sure he did.
He did.  He won an Oscar.

However, take the film with a huge grain of salt.  Especially about Lugosi.  It makes it look as though Lugosi was all alone in the world when in fact he was married when Wood met him, divorced and married again at the time of his death.  His son, Lugosi, Jr (who now runs a website about his dad) was always close to him.  Just the fact that Burton depicts Lugosi as the one who's wrestling the rubber octopus in Bride of the Monster when it was soooo clearly not him in the real film....

And Re: Plan 9, was I the only one a bit uncomfortable after the 6th or 7th Lugosi-heroin joke?
No, you're not the only one.....especially since Lugosi was addicted to Morphine and then Methadone when he tried to get treatment in England....and that he'd kicked both habits at the time the footage for Plan 9 was filmed.
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Rattrap007 on January 22, 2008, 04:08:25 PM
Too much narration? What about Monster A-Go-Go? Wasn't that mostly narration?
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Darth Geek on January 22, 2008, 04:17:28 PM
Also, The Creeping Terror had a lot of narration. That was a great MST3K episode. Although I never liked the host segment where Mike is listening to the crappy movie music over his great sound system. The concept is funny, but it goes on too long.

After the narration describing the sherrif and someone else's talk
"It was a really fascinating conversation."
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Ranika on January 23, 2008, 07:48:51 AM
I think Bride of the Monster is his best movie.

Me too. It's the only time Ed Wood made a decent movie.

I don't know. In truth, I actually like Ed Wood's movies more than just as something to make fun of. Not that they're good, of course, but they do have a kind of interesting character to them. You can tell Ed really loved them. And, to be fair, his movies typically made money. They were usually just drive-in creature features, of course, so it wasn't like the couples that would be frequenting them were there to actually see the movie, and the younger kids to get in probably were easy enough to impress. But, Wood just loved his terrible crap so much, and was pretty nice about it all too (qualifying that cause it sets him apart from Uwe Boll; heard him get called the 'next Ed Wood'...hell no, Ed Wood was a lovable hopeless loser, but damn if he didn't try, and, Bride of the Monster was actually pretty damn cool for what it was. Boll is just a talentless ass).

On Plan 9 itself, I actually like this movie as a movie. I find it amusing on some levels for how nonsensical and silly it is, but its like film cliches rendered lovingly. Like the Franklin Mint took a paper plate flying saucer and crammed it onto some coin they'll hock on an infomercial everytime I go to visit relatives who only have basic cable in central PA, and I'm up all damn night so I end up watching those stupid things... Wow, there was a bitter vein. Anyway, Plan 9 is actually kind of cool; the amazingly low budget shows, but, Ed really did seem to try and make it work. He just wasn't that talented a director. That said, I think he was actually a good storyteller, in a weird sort of way.
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Bob on January 23, 2008, 07:56:07 AM
Also, The Creeping Terror had a lot of narration. That was a great MST3K episode. Although I never liked the host segment where Mike is listening to the crappy movie music over his great sound system. The concept is funny, but it goes on too long.

After the narration describing the sherrif and someone else's talk
"It was a really fascinating conversation."

Gasp!   I love that host segment and how long it went.   It really drove home the point about the horrible dance hall scene we had just witnessed.   
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Pak-Man on January 23, 2008, 10:22:27 AM
Yeah, my theory is that, after watching the durn  thing the standard 4 times, they wanted to give you a sense of how long and tedious that music was, and just what they have to go through to bring us the funny. There was a slight undertone of vengence, and I think it was justified. :^)
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Bob on January 23, 2008, 10:43:18 AM
I still can hear that stupid music!    Too bad iTunes does not carry it.

Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: chriscrawford100 on February 15, 2008, 11:10:48 PM
And Re: Plan 9, was I the only one a bit uncomfortable after the 6th or 7th Lugosi-heroine joke?

No it's not just you. Somehow I couldn't bring myself to laugh at the genuine suffering of a miserable old man. I'm a big Rifftrax fan, but that was disappointing.
Title: Re: Maybe this is more of a MST3K question...
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on February 16, 2008, 04:32:40 AM
And Re: Plan 9, was I the only one a bit uncomfortable after the 6th or 7th Lugosi-heroine joke?

No it's not just you. Somehow I couldn't bring myself to laugh at the genuine suffering of a miserable old man. I'm a big Rifftrax fan, but that was disappointing.

I like the three riffer Plan 9 track quite a bit but I agree they overdid those jokes.  Not to mention the fact that they got the drug wrong.  Lugosi was addicted to morphine.  I guess heroin is funnier?

I don't know if this was mentioned but there was a great biography written on Ed Wood called Nightmare Of Ecstasy.  It came out in the late 1980's or early 90's and most of the events described were used as the basis for Burton's 'Ed Wood' movie.  Great book if you can find it, consists almost completely of interviews with people that knew Ed Wood personally