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Title: GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on October 25, 2006, 07:40:39 PM
Download trial version here for GoldWave:
http://www.goldwave.com/plugins.php

Here's what it does, according to the Help File:

"Mixes foreground audio contained in the clipboard with background audio contained in the file. This effect automatically fades the background audio in and out based on silent and non-silent regions within the foreground audio.

Use this effect to:

    * Mix a voice recording or narration over background music so that the music automatically becomes quieter when the voice is speaking.
    * Mix a translation over foreign dialogue so that the foreign dialogue can still be heard in the background.
    * Automatically fade between two audio sources."

I'm going to test it out with The Matrix. But is sounds like what we've been looking for!!!    ;D

EDIT

Here is my official guide for mixing rifftrax audio with GoldWave:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide.htm
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: SaucyRossy on October 25, 2006, 07:49:51 PM
Sounds like a sweet plugin....now I just need to learn how to use Goldwave.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on October 25, 2006, 09:28:53 PM
Great! Let us know how it comes out!! Then I guess I will have to learn how to sync with GOLDWAVE!


Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Hank on October 25, 2006, 11:14:25 PM
Tried it on a few. It works extremely well. It takes a tiny bit of adjustment (how much the background sound lowers), but it sounds as good as MST3K, which is slightly better than the samples in the Rifftrax catalog. I'll probably end up buying the full version.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on October 26, 2006, 05:14:18 AM
Hey Guys...Hank is right, this plug in works fantastic!

I can post the settings that I used for mixing The Matrix (foreground vol, background vol, and fading).
I am seriously tempted to go back and re-do all of my RiffTrax re-authors with it...if I had the time. But for sure I will be doing Halloween and Matrix with it and any future releases.

You have lots of control over how low you want the movie audio to fade when Mike or Kevin are talking and you can control how fast to fade it.

Then only thing I noticed is this:
I had my RiffTrax audio sync'd perfectly to my movie audio, but when I mixed it with the new plug in, the DA syncs lines were off by .5 seconds or so. So I had to adjust for that. But as long as you are aware of this and adjust for it, then you'll be set!!

Just be sure to read the Help file, that comes with it, carefully, to understand how it works.

I went ahead and purchased the full version. $16 US is well worth it and they accept PayPal. But the trial version works fully and it looks like you can use is quite a few times before it expires.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Qrusher14242 on October 26, 2006, 05:34:12 AM
How do you synch up with goldwave? Seems much harder to than in audacity
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on October 26, 2006, 05:50:29 AM
How do you synch up with goldwave? Seems much harder to than in audacity

Check out the help file in Goldwave and look up "mixing". Also the help file with this plug in tells you how to mix using it.

I guess I will have to bare down (or is it bear down??) and make a guide on how to do this...
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on October 26, 2006, 09:51:24 AM
Here is my official guide for mixing rifftrax audio with GoldWave:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide.htm

enjoy!
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: The_Flash on October 26, 2006, 03:46:25 PM
This is like a breath of fresh air.  Saves me the headache of doing this all manually.

Thank you for taking the time to write a guide.  I'm sure it is appreciated by many.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Qrusher14242 on October 26, 2006, 04:35:52 PM
im trying to do point break, but the lines are way off. I have it start at 2:13 for the Rifftrax and 0:49 for the dvd. But somehow the first riff is off by 5 secs. How can that be? Maybe this version of Point break doesnt work for this rifftrax. Does it have to be the new edition?
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on October 26, 2006, 04:48:04 PM
im trying to do point break, but the lines are way off. I have it start at 2:13 for the Rifftrax and 0:49 for the dvd. But somehow the first riff is off by 5 secs. How can that be? Maybe this version of Point break doesnt work for this rifftrax. Does it have to be the new edition?

Nope I did my re-author with the old version and if I remember correcetly I had to do no editing to the rifftrax at all.

Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Qrusher14242 on October 26, 2006, 06:33:19 PM
hmm wierd, must of been a pal release of it or something. I dunno, i had the avi of it around and converted it to DVD. I wish netflix would start carrying it so i dont have to buy it :(
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: PsypherPunk on November 01, 2006, 10:37:19 AM
Does anyone know if there's a minimum version required for this?

I've got Goldwave 4.26 (as it's the first one I've got working perfectly with Linux) but there's no Plug-in option in the Effects menu...? Would it appear somewhere else?

EDIT: Nevermind, 5.12 works with both the plugin and Linux. Sweet.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 01, 2006, 02:07:54 PM
I hate GoldWave's new voice-over plugin.

Sorry.  Couldn't resist that one. ;D
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on November 01, 2006, 02:21:32 PM
I hate GoldWave's new voice-over plugin.

Sorry.  Couldn't resist that one.  ;D

Why?  Is there something better out there that will do what this plug-in does? We are always looking for easier/faster/better ways of re-authoring the dvds.
Title: GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on December 07, 2006, 09:24:14 AM
Now that you've use this plugin, what do you think?

Other then playing with the volume settings, and the fade in fade out settings, I think this works pretty sweet.
Its a 'must' for those movies that get really loud, like when music is playing.

In general, I try and make the rifftrax volume simular to the volume in the movie at the quiet times. This seems to work best. And then I have the plugin turn down the vol of the movie by 7 or 8 db's when a riff is being said. I also keep my fade in/outs really fast...like .2 seconds. That way if a riff comes right after a line, that line doesnt get turned down too soon.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: BathTub on December 07, 2006, 10:47:40 AM
I love it, except for the behaviour change today,

Bad Goldwave, no biscuit!
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on December 07, 2006, 12:57:41 PM
I have been using it since Halloween. I use the basic guide that Gammer outlined and tweak it for each movie. I haven't had any problems with a set-up line fading too early for a riff. The biggest thing I have a problem with is Goldwave's poor downmixing abilities and non support of multi-channel audio. I have been using a tool called Clier's AC3 Tool. It will take the ac3 track and downmix to a two channel wave. If you compare the waveforms of the same track downmixed by Goldwave vs Ac3 Tool you will see a big difference. The AC3 Tool mix is always louder. I then use Nero's Wave Editor to normalize and declip if needed then do the sync and mix with Goldwave. I now have the bug to redo all of them using the plug-in. This will be the third mix of ROAD HOUSE for me.





Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on December 07, 2006, 06:15:40 PM
I now have the bug to redo all of them using the plug-in. This will be the third mix of ROAD HOUSE for me.

I know the feeling. Except I think I am only going to re-do the ones that had large flux's in audio volume. Like Crossroads. My Road House is pretty good.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on December 07, 2006, 06:38:47 PM
I now have the bug to redo all of them using the plug-in. This will be the third mix of ROAD HOUSE for me.

I know the feeling. Except I think I am only going to re-do the ones that had large flux's in audio volume. Like Crossroads. My Road House is pretty good.

Crossroads and Star Trek V are the big do-overs right now. I am still waiting for another copy of Crossroads to show up at work.

Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on December 07, 2006, 06:45:49 PM
Crossroads and Star Trek V are the big do-overs right now. I am still waiting for another copy of Crossroads to show up at work.



Yes I forgot about STV...that should be redone too.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: DarthSN on December 11, 2006, 12:41:42 PM
I don't seem to have the proper AC3 Codec installed... I am running windows Vista... anyone got any ideas where I can download one?
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on December 11, 2006, 01:24:55 PM
I don't seem to have the proper AC3 Codec installed... I am running windows Vista... anyone got any ideas where I can download one?

I have one I can email you.
I'll PM you for details...
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on January 11, 2007, 06:35:05 AM
I don't seem to have the proper AC3 Codec installed... I am running windows Vista... anyone got any ideas where I can download one?

I have Cyberlink PowerDVD 6 installed. GoldWave seems to be using the AC3 codec from PowerDVD.
If anyone else is having AC3 errors with GoldWave, make sure you have DVD software installed.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on January 11, 2007, 07:12:54 AM
p.s.
I just updated the Voice Over guide to fix the spelling mistakes and fix the typo's.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide.htm
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: BEERxTaco on January 11, 2007, 07:14:51 AM
This has nothing to do with Goldwave, so forgive me, but I have Power DVD installed, and when I run Nero 7 I never get the option to include the AC3 audio track when I rebuild the ripped tracks to mpeg-4... even though the AC3 track certainly appears to be associated with Nero... wonder what I am missing...
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on January 11, 2007, 07:40:25 AM
Try converting the AC3 audio to a wav file. Then see if Nero accepts it.
I don't use Nero 7, so I don't know for sure if it accepts AC3 audio. Maybe another member on the forum can help in this dept?

There is a section of my guide that shows how to convert AC3 to Wave using GoldWave.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MSTJedi on January 18, 2007, 08:07:19 PM
im trying to do point break, but the lines are way off. I have it start at 2:13 for the Rifftrax and 0:49 for the dvd. But somehow the first riff is off by 5 secs. How can that be? Maybe this version of Point break doesnt work for this rifftrax. Does it have to be the new edition?

I had the same problem when I first started using the plug-in. If you're used to straight mixing the audio, the Voice-Over will always be a little late, so it'll take a little tweaking to make sure you get it right. That pretty much means listening to the preview of the mix at least until the first synch line to make sure the audio is mixed right.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on January 19, 2007, 06:32:38 AM
im trying to do point break, but the lines are way off. I have it start at 2:13 for the Rifftrax and 0:49 for the dvd. But somehow the first riff is off by 5 secs. How can that be? Maybe this version of Point break doesnt work for this rifftrax. Does it have to be the new edition?

I had the same problem when I first started using the plug-in. If you're used to straight mixing the audio, the Voice-Over will always be a little late, so it'll take a little tweaking to make sure you get it right. That pretty much means listening to the preview of the mix at least until the first synch line to make sure the audio is mixed right.

What I have found out (and noted in my instructions) is whatever you have the Fade in and Fade out set as, the plug in will be off by that amount. So, if your fade in/out is set for .5 seconds, then the RiffTrax will be off by that amount.

To rectify, you need to delete .5 seconds (or whatever you have set for fade in/out) off the start of the RiffTrax.

I hope this helps?
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: BathTub on January 19, 2007, 06:52:09 AM
Interesting, that would match up with what I found out through trial and error, haha, thanks.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on January 19, 2007, 10:23:45 PM
D'oh I could have sworn I posted that info when I got it from the guy at Goldwave. I joined up on their forum to ask some questions. I could have sworn I posted that.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: BBQ Platypus on January 20, 2007, 03:21:38 PM
I hate GoldWave's new voice-over plugin.

Sorry.  Couldn't resist that one.  ;D

Why?  Is there something better out there that will do what this plug-in does? We are always looking for easier/faster/better ways of re-authoring the dvds.

No, no - I've never used GoldWave.  I'm just doing a play on Tom Servo's new voice.  It's just a bad joke.  Please don't hurt me.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Michel Weisnor on January 23, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
p.s.
I just updated the Voice Over guide to fix the spelling mistakes and fix the typo's.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide.htm

I'm a little confused at 3) part 12. How dou move the slider? I only see one track. Also, in 5) when I remove .5 as suggested the tracks are not synced. I probably just don't understand the slider.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on January 23, 2007, 08:20:21 PM
p.s.
I just updated the Voice Over guide to fix the spelling mistakes and fix the typo's.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide.htm

I'm a little confused at 3) part 12. How dou move the slider? I only see one track. Also, in 5) when I remove .5 as suggested the tracks are not synced. I probably just don't understand the slider.

When you open an audio file, all of the file is 'selected' and the slider bar is at zero. If you click on the audio file close to the start and drag it to the right, the bar slides along the audio file until you let go of your mouse button.

(http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide_files/image035.gif)

As you can see in this pic, I slid the start bar to approx the 2 min mark.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Michel Weisnor on January 24, 2007, 09:59:14 AM
p.s.
I just updated the Voice Over guide to fix the spelling mistakes and fix the typo's.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide.htm

I'm a little confused at 3) part 12. How dou move the slider? I only see one track. Also, in 5) when I remove .5 as suggested the tracks are not synced. I probably just don't understand the slider.

When you open an audio file, all of the file is 'selected' and the slider bar is at zero. If you click on the audio file close to the start and drag it to the right, the bar slides along the audio file until you let go of your mouse button.

(http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide_files/image035.gif)

As you can see in this pic, I slid the start bar to approx the 2 min mark.

For some reason, the audios are not synced.... I copied where I get lost below.

"11)  Now lets mix the two audio tracks together for the purpose of checking every DA sync line to make sure its sync’d up. So, click on the Halloween_Riff_48.wav window and click the copy button. Then click on the HalloweenMovieNormalized.wav window and click the mix button. We’re not worried about audio levels at this point, so in the Mix box, change the vol to -12 and click Ok. GoldWave will mix the audio together."

In the Mix window, do you type in the place to start? On Regin of Fire, "time where mix begins" is 41.0. After mixing, DA and the movie are almost right on. If I just leave the Mix difference at 0, the audio is off.

In Part 5 Mixing, do you mix audios before or after the voice over plugin?

Again, I'm probably missing something?  ???   

Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on January 24, 2007, 10:39:01 AM
For some reason, the audios are not synced.... I copied where I get lost below.

"11)  Now lets mix the two audio tracks together for the purpose of checking every DA sync line to make sure its sync’d up. So, click on the Halloween_Riff_48.wav window and click the copy button. Then click on the HalloweenMovieNormalized.wav window and click the mix button. We’re not worried about audio levels at this point, so in the Mix box, change the vol to -12 and click Ok. GoldWave will mix the audio together."

In the Mix window, do you type in the place to start? On Regin of Fire, "time where mix begins" is 41.0. After mixing, DA and the movie are almost right on. If I just leave the Mix difference at 0, the audio is off.

If they are not sync'd up, then it sounds like your math on Part 3, step 9 is off.
When you do Part 3, Step 6/7, is it sync'd up at that point?
This is a good indicator if you are on the right track.


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In Part 5 Mixing, do you mix audios before or after the voice over plugin?
 

No. You mix the audio separately. The purpose of doing the other mixing (in the earlier step) is to see if you are synced up to DA's lines. If so, then you go through your RiffTrax and blank out the DA lines, then use the new trax (with the blanked out DA lines) to mix with the Plugin.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Msampo on January 24, 2007, 03:33:54 PM
I hate GoldWave's new voice-over plugin.

Sorry.  Couldn't resist that one.  ;D

Why?  Is there something better out there that will do what this plug-in does? We are always looking for easier/faster/better ways of re-authoring the dvds.

It's a 17-year-old in-joke.

Sampo (a few folks still remember...)
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Michel Weisnor on January 24, 2007, 03:46:31 PM
For some reason, the audios are not synced.... I copied where I get lost below.

"11)  Now lets mix the two audio tracks together for the purpose of checking every DA sync line to make sure its sync’d up. So, click on the Halloween_Riff_48.wav window and click the copy button. Then click on the HalloweenMovieNormalized.wav window and click the mix button. We’re not worried about audio levels at this point, so in the Mix box, change the vol to -12 and click Ok. GoldWave will mix the audio together."

In the Mix window, do you type in the place to start? On Regin of Fire, "time where mix begins" is 41.0. After mixing, DA and the movie are almost right on. If I just leave the Mix difference at 0, the audio is off.

If they are not sync'd up, then it sounds like your math on Part 3, step 9 is off.
When you do Part 3, Step 6/7, is it sync'd up at that point?
This is a good indicator if you are on the right track.


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In Part 5 Mixing, do you mix audios before or after the voice over plugin?
 

No. You mix the audio separately. The purpose of doing the other mixing (in the earlier step) is to see if you are synced up to DA's lines. If so, then you go through your RiffTrax and blank out the DA lines, then use the new trax (with the blanked out DA lines) to mix with the Plugin.

You were right! I just subtracted wrong  :P Thanks for your help.  ;D
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: stirrell on January 26, 2007, 08:58:03 AM
I saw that someone in this thread was using Vista. I was wondering if anyone had any experience using Goldwave and the Voiceover plug-in with Vista and if it works with no problems? It looks like DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink work fine... I'm not sure about IFO Edit either.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on January 26, 2007, 03:07:11 PM
I hate GoldWave's new voice-over plugin.

Sorry.  Couldn't resist that one.  ;D

Why?  Is there something better out there that will do what this plug-in does? We are always looking for easier/faster/better ways of re-authoring the dvds.

It's a 17-year-old in-joke.

Sampo (a few folks still remember...)

Reading it later, I finally got it.

Title: GoldWave not exactly "working" for me
Post by: Yalloglanchie on February 01, 2007, 10:49:02 AM
I followed Gammer's guide to the letter:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide.htm

but when I try to open the AC3 file (step 1 of Part 2 in the guide), GoldWave pretends to open the file, and says it's "Proccessing Audio Decompression" for about 5 seconds, and then it just stops and gives me a blank audio window.  No error message, but then there's no audio there. When I try to follow step 2 (saving the file as a WAV) it saves the file, but the WAV file size is 1KB.  That doesn't seem right.

I have no problems running BeSweetGUI, BeLight, Audacity, etc. on all the various DVD sound files (I've successfully re-authored all the Rifftrax DVDs using BeLight and Audacity).  I've got DVD player software installed on the computer.  And I don't get an error when trying to open AC3 files with GoldWave.  I've got hard drive storage enabled in GoldWave (and the drive has 23GB of free space).

Does anybody know what might be wrong?
Title: Re: GoldWave not exactly "working" for me
Post by: gammer on February 01, 2007, 11:53:59 AM
I followed Gammer's guide to the letter:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide.htm

but when I try to open the AC3 file (step 1 of Part 2 in the guide), GoldWave pretends to open the file, and says it's "Proccessing Audio Decompression" for about 5 seconds, and then it just stops and gives me a blank audio window.  No error message, but then there's no audio there. When I try to follow step 2 (saving the file as a WAV) it saves the file, but the WAV file size is 1KB.  That doesn't seem right.

I have no problems running BeSweetGUI, BeLight, Audacity, etc. on all the various DVD sound files (I've successfully re-authored all the Rifftrax DVDs using BeLight and Audacity).  I've got DVD player software installed on the computer.  And I don't get an error when trying to open AC3 files with GoldWave.  I've got hard drive storage enabled in GoldWave (and the drive has 23GB of free space).

Does anybody know what might be wrong?

Have you tried opening the AC3 with Audacity? Does it give the same problem?
If it opens with Audacity, then try saving it as a WAV file and then open this WAV file with GOLDWAVE.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Yalloglanchie on February 01, 2007, 05:34:27 PM
I can take the Decoder-ripped AC3 file, and then open it in BeSweet.  From BeSweet I can then export as a WAV file (which opens just fine in Audacity, but I'm not trying to use Audacity).  If I try to open this WAV file in GoldWave, it says "Internal file size is incorrect.  The file may be corrupt.  Open anyway?"  If I click "Yes" then the next thing GoldWave tells me is "Cannot determine format of file: VTS_03_1 - 0x80 - Audio - AC3 - 6ch - 48kHz - DRC - English -  Please specify a format below."  It gives me the option to choose a File type: either "Raw (snd, raw)" or "Dialogic (vox)" and I get to choose the Attributes from a list of about 600 things, and then I get to choose the Rate (Hz) which I'm pretty sure should be 48000.

So am I supposed to use BeSweet to convert from AC3 to WAV, and then use Audacity to reduce the WAV file down from 6ch to stereo before I try opening the file in Goldwave?
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on February 01, 2007, 05:46:08 PM
Yeah Goldwave can't handle more than two channel tracks. To get my wav file to use in Goldwave I use  AC3 Tool. It does a much better job of downmixing a 5.1 track to two channels than Goldwave. http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=AC3Tool





Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on February 01, 2007, 06:34:30 PM
Yeah Goldwave can't handle more than two channel tracks. To get my wav file to use in Goldwave I use  AC3 Tool. It does a much better job of downmixing a 5.1 track to two channels than Goldwave. http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=AC3Tool


Exactly. Goldwave only handles 2 channel audio. That is the downside of it.
I hope they release a version in the future that supports 6 channel audio.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on February 01, 2007, 06:45:12 PM
Yes multi-channel audio on Goldwave would be great. I miss the 5.1 mixes. But for what the voice over plug-in offers I can do without.

Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gbeenie on February 06, 2007, 10:48:27 PM
Hey, gammer, one suggestion for your guide. There's a quicker way to convert the RiffTrax .mp3 to WAV format. When you open GoldWave, click file, and select "Batch Processing" from the pulldown. The box that appears will let you select files you want to convert, as well as destination folder AND format, including making the resulting file 48kHz. It does all the conversion in one step (although I haven't tried converting the movie audio AC3 file this way yet).
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Blueguy on February 07, 2007, 09:33:51 AM
Nifty, I'll give that a shot on the next disk I make. 
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gbeenie on February 07, 2007, 09:38:29 AM
Hey, gammer, one suggestion for your guide. There's a quicker way to convert the RiffTrax .mp3 to WAV format. When you open GoldWave, click file, and select "Batch Processing" from the pulldown. The box that appears will let you select files you want to convert, as well as destination folder AND format, including making the resulting file 48kHz. It does all the conversion in one step (although I haven't tried converting the movie audio AC3 file this way yet).

p.s. I just tried last night; if you set the "Batch Conversion" window to look for All Files, it will be able to convert the AC3 track as well (maybe even in the same conversion setup as the RiffTrax .mp3; sweet!).
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gbeenie on February 07, 2007, 03:31:00 PM
Hey, gammer? I downloaded and installed the trial version of GWVoice; but when I open GoldWave and pull down the plug-in selection, it's not there. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on February 07, 2007, 03:34:35 PM
You will find it under:  EFFECT --> PLUG-IN -->GWVOICE
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gbeenie on February 07, 2007, 03:40:51 PM
You will find it under:  EFFECT --> PLUG-IN -->GWVOICE

I'm trying that, but all it shows is DirectX; when I highlight THAT, it shows a bunch of plug-ins, none of which is GWVoice.

When I install the plug-in, what directory should it go in? Right now it's just the general folder containing GoldWave; should it be the "Effects" folder?
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gbeenie on February 07, 2007, 03:43:20 PM
You will find it under:  EFFECT --> PLUG-IN -->GWVOICE

I'm trying that, but all it shows is DirectX; when I highlight THAT, it shows a bunch of plug-ins, none of which is GWVoice.

When I install the plug-in, what directory should it go in? Right now it's just the general folder containing GoldWave; should it be the "Effects" folder?

Never mind that last question; the plug-in CREATES that "Effects" folder.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on February 07, 2007, 04:32:15 PM
I am talking about the toolbar in Goldwave itself not a folder.

Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gbeenie on February 07, 2007, 05:02:52 PM
I am talking about the toolbar in Goldwave itself not a folder.


I understand that; I was just asking if I installed it incorrectly. But it's not showing up in the "Plug-ins" part of the "Effects" pull-down.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gbeenie on February 07, 2007, 06:48:43 PM
I got it now; I had to upgrade from Version 5.04 for it to work.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on February 07, 2007, 07:18:09 PM
Also, I don't think the plugin works with the trial version of GoldWave. At least I thought I read that before I downloaded the plugin.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: BathTub on February 07, 2007, 07:56:46 PM
I am using trial version of both. aaaalmost out of uses.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Blueguy on February 08, 2007, 06:50:42 AM
It works with the trial version, you just need to restart the program for the menu to show up.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on February 08, 2007, 08:28:19 AM
I am using trial version of both. aaaalmost out of uses.

Might as well buy it. It's not that expensive and you will more then get its money's worth out of it.

MrTorso, did you have any luck finding out if GoldWave will support 6 channel audio in the future?
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on February 08, 2007, 09:41:04 AM
The response I got on the Goldwave forum was that 5.1 support might be in version 6.0 but there was no real time frame for getting to 6.0.

Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gbeenie on February 08, 2007, 11:49:03 AM
BTW, I remastered the audio for The Matrix using the Voice Over plug-in last night. Sometime this evening I'll give the test DVD-RW I made a partial test listen.
Title: Re: GoldWave not exactly "working" for me
Post by: BEERxTaco on February 15, 2007, 07:00:23 AM
GoldWave pretends to open the file
Am I the only one who found it funny that Goldwave is clever enough to pretend to do something? lol...  The wording of that just made me chuckle... clever Goldwave!
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Blueguy on February 15, 2007, 02:32:07 PM
I've actually had that happen with a file.  I don't remember which one, but every time I tried to open the AC3, it showed it was trying to unencode it or whatever it does when you open an AC3 or MP3, but when it gone done, there was nothing there.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: SharpMonkey on July 04, 2007, 01:34:16 PM
Here is my official guide for mixing rifftrax audio with GoldWave:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide.htm

THANKS!  This guide is wonderful and told me everything I needed to know.  The automation of the GWvoice plugin is so fantastically wonderful that I may actually cough up some dough when my demo runs out.   :o
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on July 05, 2007, 02:36:19 AM
You can get quite a few mixes done with the demo and it is really worth the $$$ for it.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on July 05, 2007, 07:30:22 PM
Here is my official guide for mixing rifftrax audio with GoldWave:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/guide.htm

THANKS!  This guide is wonderful and told me everything I needed to know.  The automation of the GWvoice plugin is so fantastically wonderful that I may actually cough up some dough when my demo runs out.   :o

I'm glad you were able to follow it.
I just re-read the guide I made there, and I can't believe how complicated it makes the process seem. Also, I wrote that when I first started using the voice over plug-in. I've tweaked some of those settings now...but the guide is a good starting point.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Bairman on September 01, 2007, 08:10:19 AM
5.1 mixes with Goldwave and the voice-over plug-in are possible... but it takes a little extra effort.  In short, here's how I've been doing it:

1)  Use BeSweet to convert the demuxed AC3 file to six mono WAV files... one for each channel (FL, C, FR, SL, SR, LFE).
2)  Using Goldwave, match the volume of the RiffTrax WAV to the center channel mono WAV to normalize the riffs and the movie dialogue.
3)  Use the GW voice-over plug-in to mix the new RiffTrax WAV into all six mono WAVs.
4)  Use BeSweet to recombine the six mono WAV files into a new AC3 file.

All six mono WAVs will need to have the voice over plug-in run on them.  For the channels you want the RiffTrax to play through, mix as usual.  For the channels you don't want the RiffTrax to play through, turn the voice volume control of the plug-in to the off position.  This will cause the movie audio to still lower during riffs, but the riffs themselves will not play through those channels.

For example... what I usually do is to use the voice over plug-in to mix the RiffTrax audio into the two rear channels (SL & SR).  Then I use the voice-over plug-in to mix the RiffTrax audio into the other four channels with the voice volume turned off.  All six channels will lower during the riffs, but the riffs will only play from the rear channels.  This has the effect of making it sound like the riffers are sitting behind me.  It's pretty cool.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on September 01, 2007, 11:51:36 AM
Thanks Bairman for the tips! I will probably try it on the next one. Do you know how your mixes sound when playing back on say a two-channel tv? I sometimes play my Rifftrax on my bed room tv that only has 2 channel stereo.

Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Bairman on September 01, 2007, 12:03:48 PM
Thanks Bairman for the tips! I will probably try it on the next one. Do you know how your mixes sound when playing back on say a two-channel tv? I sometimes play my Rifftrax on my bed room tv that only has 2 channel stereo.

Since none of my friends have 5.1 systems, I had the same thought, so I switched my receiver to stereo and the 5.1 mixes still sound great.  However, being anal-retentive as I am, I've also been making two channel, DPLII compatible audio streams as well, to provide multiple audio choices for maximum listening pleasure no matter what system they're played on.  So far I've been extremely pleased with the results in every configuration.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on September 01, 2007, 02:52:02 PM
Good to know! Thanks for the tips!  Do you know if BeSweet still has the Pioneer problem? Does it ever get updated??
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Bairman on September 01, 2007, 03:13:04 PM
Good to know! Thanks for the tips!  Do you know if BeSweet still has the Pioneer problem? Does it ever get updated??

Supposedly it still has the problem, but since I don't know anyone with a Pioneer player, it's not a problem for me.  I don't think it's been updated for awhile... who knows if it ever will be again.  But it works fine for me as is.

I did try working with Aften for AC3 encoding, but ran into several problems:

1. AftenGUI doesn't support multiple WAV files or mux files as input.
2. The latest version of the BeLight GUI for BeSweet supports Aften, but they broke mux file operation with this version.
3. Older versions of BeLight have mux file input working correctly, but don't support Aften.
4. Doing it the hard way and using Aften with BeSweet command line works, but results in an AC3 file that is 2K larger than the original.

After fighting with all this for quite awhile, I decided it was much simpler just to use the ac3enc encoder that comes with BeSweet.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on September 01, 2007, 06:22:25 PM

4)  Use BeSweet to recombine the six mono WAV files into a new AC3 file.

Is there a way to use BeSweet to recombine the six mono WAV files into single WAV file?
If so, then MrTorso you can use whatever you've been using so far to make your AC3 files. I think you said it was MPEG-DVD-Wizard?
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Bairman on September 01, 2007, 06:51:26 PM

4)  Use BeSweet to recombine the six mono WAV files into a new AC3 file.

Is there a way to use BeSweet to recombine the six mono WAV files into single WAV file?
If so, then MrTorso you can use whatever you've been using so far to make your AC3 files. I think you said it was MPEG-DVD-Wizard?

I think what you suggest can be done with BeSweet, but I wouldn't want to say for certain without testing it first.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on September 01, 2007, 07:29:05 PM

4)  Use BeSweet to recombine the six mono WAV files into a new AC3 file.

Is there a way to use BeSweet to recombine the six mono WAV files into single WAV file?
If so, then MrTorso you can use whatever you've been using so far to make your AC3 files. I think you said it was MPEG-DVD-Wizard?

I have been using Aften.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Bairman on September 01, 2007, 07:38:58 PM
I just did a quick test and BeSweet supposedly converted the mono wavs into a 5.1 wav, but the resulting file didn't sound right to me and every program I used to try and check the parameters choked on its huge size.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Christopher D. Heer on September 05, 2007, 05:10:13 AM
First, I wanted to post a "thank you" to gammer for the terrific guide on using Goldwave.  It seemed so straightforward that it nudged me into buying my first rifftrax on Monday.  Took me a couple of run-throughs to get it right, mostly because I was working on a space-constrained PC and Goldwave appears to be very bad about removing temp files before you close things.

Anyway.  I was very excited to finish up my first mux last night.  Until, of course, I read Bairman's post about how to do it and retain 5.1 audio.  ARGH!  Now I have to start from scratch, because I admit I was lamenting the loss of 5.1 audio.

For those not going through Bairman's process, you might consider modifying gammer's process just a tiny bit: at the end, instead of converting the final .wav to .AC3, consider going to .mp2 instead.  MP2 audio should play on any DVD player, and if you're final destination is a single-layer DVD (as I suspect it may be for many folks), .mp2 takes up a lot less space than .AC3 and will leave more room for video.  Since you've already lost 5.1 audio, there's no compelling reason to stay with .AC3.

My final destination isn't DVD at all.  I have a hacked Xbox running Xbox Media Center (XBMC) hooked up to my TV, so my preference is a high-quality Xvid AVI file.  I basically followed gammer's guide to the letter (except I ended up with .mp2 audio), then pulled the .mpv and .mp2 files into DVD-Lab, added a quick, crappy menu (which would never be used), and authored.  Then I pointed AutoGK at the authored DVD files, and a couple hours later had a nice, sync'd .avi file with Xvid video and .mp3 audio.

(Actually I didn't completely follow it to the letter.  I misunderstood the voice volume setting in the plugin, so the first time my riff voices were way too loud.  I ended up just adjusting the volume of the riff .wav down before mixing, which was a wasted step.  A re-read of gammer's guide set me straight, there.)

I'm not totally happy with my process, as I seem to be re-encoding the audio too much.  Going from .AC3 to .wav is fine, as is going from .mp3 to .wav (the rifftrax audio), but then I go to .mp2, and then again to .mp3.  Ought to be a better way, but I'm not convinced there is without risking sync.  Also, going through DVD-Lab seems like more trouble than it's worth.  Has anyone tried just muxing the .AC3 and/or .mp2 audio with the .mpv using something like mplex or ffmpeg?  I'm tempted to try that next.

Anyway, thanks to Mike and the gang for the wicked product, and thanks to gammer for the awesome guide, and thanks to Bairman and the rest for the great ideas.  I'm off to go pick out a new rifftrax selection to try the 5.1 mix; if it works right I'll have to re-do ST:G.

--chris
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: überwurst on September 15, 2007, 01:13:14 AM
I have a hacked Xbox running Xbox Media Center (XBMC) hooked up to my TV, so my preference is a high-quality Xvid AVI file.

Same here with XBMC. I used to prefer a high quality xvid encode and simple mp3 mix, but I've up'd my standards recently.

Instead I use DVD Decrypter to extract the video uncompressed in M2V format. I then do the audio mixing and combine the video/audio files to create an XBMC playable video file with matroska (.mkv) format. It's like AVI but more flexible. Matroska, with its support for multiple audio streams, is fully supported by XBMC. You can include the original audio stream in the same file, which makes for a nice fully-contained setup.

I store the matroska videos on my HD and stream the video to my xbox via ethernet, so burning to a DVD is unnecessary for me, though I have all the files available to me, contained within the matroska file much like a zip archive, should I ever find the need for a DVD.

btw, gammer, thanks very much for your effort, I'm using your excellent guide now to mix the LotR riff.

also, Bairman, awesome suggestion, I'm going to be trying it out. You should consider writing a guide on your process, I'm sure gammer would host it on his website.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Zombie on September 16, 2007, 01:49:35 PM
5.1 mixes with Goldwave and the voice-over plug-in are possible... but it takes a little extra effort.  In short, here's how I've been doing it:

4)  Use BeSweet to recombine the six mono WAV files into a new AC3 file.


Okay, I have my 6 edited mono WAV's finished with GWVoice plugin.  But I can't figure out how to use Besweet to recombine them.  I've tried version 1.4 and 1.5.  I had to get the VOBinput.dll from some other site (DPSguru on doom9 isn't a website anymore). 

I get this log when I try to use Besweet Gui's wizard when I hit GO:

nevermind it doesn't even make a log file anymore, just a blank txt file.

Getting very frustrated.  I had such great hopes to make a dvd with both 5.1 and 2.0 Riffs.  Going to play Warcraft for a bit to calm down.

Any help would be great. Thanks.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Bairman on September 16, 2007, 03:26:02 PM
Create a text file with any text editor (notepad, whatever).  In the file, you need a list of the filenames for your six mono wavs.

The channels need to be in the order indicated.

drive:\path\file_FL.wav
drive:\path\file_C.wav
drive:\path\file_FR.wav
drive:\path\file_SL.wav
drive:\path\file_SR.wav
drive:\path\file_LFE.wav

Save the file with a .mux file extension (e.g. "6channels.mux").

Use the mux file as the input source in BeSweetGUI.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Zombie on September 17, 2007, 04:29:50 AM
Making the 5.1 ac3 worked great, thanks for the info.  Never would have gotten that by myself.

One other thing I was trying to do when I saw it in another thread:  I wanted to add a Shadowramma logo to the bottom of the screen.  I made a MST3K shadows *.tga with alpha information.  I used VirtualDubMod to insert the logo across the bottom of the screen and it looks fine.  The problem is that VirtualDubMod can only save in AVI format.  I have a problem getting another program to recombine an AVI (instead of a M2V) with multiple AC3's and chapter breaks.

Any suggestions for a software solution?

Thanks again,
-Zombie
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Bairman on September 17, 2007, 07:59:54 AM
Glad the mux file worked for you.  No idea about your software question... sorry.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Zombie on September 19, 2007, 09:26:52 PM
Meh, I've pretty much given up on the shadowrama logo thing in the video.  Tired of messing with it.  Maybe I'll just get on of the large vinyl static stickers and put it on my TV.  Just doing the best quality audio edits I can now.  I've done Star Wars Ep1 and I'm working on EP2 now.  Using the GWVoice plug-in is the best thing ever.  I was skeptical at first, but the results are amazing when you take the time to tweak it so you like it. 

If anyone else is still on the fence on trying it.  Do it.  You get a lot of trial runs in the demo.  Once you get your first movie edited so you like it, you'll be happy to pay the price of a DVD to use it on all your Rifftrax edits.

I'm using the same settings on both Star Wars EP1 and EP2:  0.2, 0.2, -5, -1, -34, -.2  Once I get though the opening blast of the theme I don't even notice the change in volume for the rest of the movie. 
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gammer on September 20, 2007, 08:22:15 AM

I'm using the same settings on both Star Wars EP1 and EP2:  0.2, 0.2, -5, -1, -34, -.2  Once I get though the opening blast of the theme I don't even notice the change in volume for the rest of the movie. 

Yep, its pretty much the 'cats meow'.
Like you said, take the time to test it out...you will need to test it for each re-author you do.
After using it for a year now, I'm pretty comfortable with it and can get used to using some similar settings for each rifftrax. But I still need to tweak each one specifically to its own volume settings; there is no "one setting fits all".
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Zombie on September 21, 2007, 10:28:08 AM
I'm back again.  This time I'm trying to seperate 300's 6 channel ac3 into the 6 mono wav's.  BeSweet is just giving me a blank .txt file when I use the wizard.  I'll go mess with the GUI for a bit.  Any tips would be great.

Thanks

Edit:

Got it!  Use the BeLight GUI to split the 5.1 into mono waves.  I need to wright down my procedure now so I don't forgot stuff like this.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Bairman on September 21, 2007, 01:00:43 PM
Got it!  Use the BeLight GUI to split the 5.1 into mono waves.  I need to wright down my procedure now so I don't forgot stuff like this.

I was just about to offer help.  Glad you got it.

The reason I use BeSweetGUI instead of BeLight for AC3 decoding (they both use BeSweet and Azid as their core) is because BeSweetGUI uses profiles to retain project settings.  I created one for decoding to a 2.0 wav and one for decoding to 6 mono wavs.  Now all I do is click the appropriate profile, set the input filename and go.  BeLight doesn't have that... yet.  It retains the settings that were last used, so I had to keep changing back and forth between the settings for two channel and six channel.  A small thing, but everything else being equal, I'll normally use whatever product makes the job easiest..
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Ortega on October 02, 2007, 08:19:36 PM
I tried out Bairman's Method and it works.  I make the mux file in belight, but i use the BeSweetGUI for the actual encoding.  For some reason, Belight kept crashing halfway during the transcoding process.  And when it didnt crash, the resulting AC3 file ended up sounding horrible(to much dialouge distortion, and the levels were way off).  But BeSweetGUI worked like a charm.  Thanks Bairman!  I've been trying to figure out a way to get real 5.1 for a long time, and ive been using belight for a while, and never realized this was possible.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Bairman on October 02, 2007, 08:25:24 PM
Glad it worked for you, Ortega.  If you like that... I've figured out a way to use BeLight and Aften for encoding the AC3.  It's convoluted what has to be done to work around BeLight's bugs... but it can be done.  And Aften sounds sooooo much better than ac3enc.  As soon as I have a chance I'll post a quick how-to.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Ortega on October 02, 2007, 08:27:32 PM
please do.
Title: Re: New GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Bairman on October 03, 2007, 03:09:18 PM
please do.

I decided to go ahead and post my entire re-authoring process.  I've started a new thread.
Title: Re: GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Mr Atoz on September 27, 2009, 08:33:54 AM
Is there an Audacity plugin equivalent (ie a freeware version) to the Goldwave Voiceover? I searched online but didn't find one.
Title: Re: GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Piobman on September 27, 2009, 04:40:57 PM
Is there an Audacity plugin equivalent (ie a freeware version) to the Goldwave Voiceover? I searched online but didn't find one.

Never used audacity, but you can use any number plugins if the audio program supports VST plugins. All you will need is some kind of "sidechain compressor". There are tons of 'em out there that work wonderfully for this sort of thing. I did a quick search on google and came up with this link. It should fit your needs adequately. http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Auto_Duck
Title: Re: GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Mr Atoz on September 28, 2009, 04:30:58 PM
Excellent - thanks!  Looks like it was incorporated in Audacity 1.33 (I'm using an older version).
Title: Re: GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: gbeenie on December 28, 2009, 06:56:51 PM
It also bears mentioning that the current version of Goldwave has the "Voice-Over" function built-in.

BTW, how have people done using Goldwave with Windows 7? I haven't reinstalled it since I rebuilt my computer, so I'm keen to know.
Title: Re: GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: GroovyDave on January 23, 2010, 03:24:18 PM
Another program that lets you do audio ducking is Reaper. It's way more complicated than using a task-oriented plugin like in Goldwave or Audacity but here's a guide I wrote a while back on how to use it. I'm glad to see the thread is still there, I just used it to put together Return of the Jedi.

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,7189.0.html
Title: Re: GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Crimsus on January 28, 2010, 04:17:25 AM
What happened to the Goldwave guide gammer? I went to the link but it says "page not found"
Title: Re: GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: Tomservov2 on April 10, 2011, 11:47:03 PM
I have a saved copy of the original guide, anyone want it?
[(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i464/Tomservov2/forum%20pic/gammersGoldWaveGuide.png)


figured out how to turn it to a pdf and here it is

http://www.mediafire.com/?q9z915ecgququjo
Title: Re: GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: czerro on July 18, 2012, 05:53:17 PM
I'm curious if you find this works better than Audacity's auto-duck feature.  If I understand correctly the Goldwave 'voice-over' ducking is somewhat dynamic and adjusts itself according to the levels of the audio files at any given point in the wave-forms?  Or is it essentially the same as auto-duck?
Title: Re: GoldWave "Voice Over" plug in
Post by: MrTorso on July 18, 2012, 07:15:40 PM
I'm curious if you find this works better than Audacity's auto-duck feature.  If I understand correctly the Goldwave 'voice-over' ducking is somewhat dynamic and adjusts itself according to the levels of the audio files at any given point in the wave-forms?  Or is it essentially the same as auto-duck?


If you are looking at this page it is a little misleading:

http://goldwave.com/plugins.php

The plugin its self was called GoldWave Voice and it added the features AUTO GAIN, AUTO OFFSET REMOVAL, CENSOR & finally VOICE OVER (auto-duck) to the main program. They are all separate features which are now standard in the latest versions of Goldwave.   So no, it isn't dynamic.  I have been using it since it came out and I manually level each track first, then use the Voice over for my final mix.