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Title: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gammer on October 29, 2007, 07:52:02 AM
If this is posted already somewhere else, let me know and I will remove this thread.

From www.mst3kinfo.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

THE 'BOTS ARE BACK!
We are excited to announce some very big news for MST3K fans.

(http://www.mst3kinfo.com/satnews/images/Bots_tn.jpg) (http://www.mst3kinfo.com/satnews/images/Bots.jpg)
Click for larger image

But first, some housekeeping: For reasons that will become apparent, we need to ask those of you who reach our site using the URL MST3K.com to update your bookmarks, and please use the URL MST3Kinfo.com. Many of you use this URL already, but if you get to us via MST3K.com, starting next week you won't be able to anymore.

The reason is that, next week, MST3K.com will become a new destination for a brand new site, created by a reconstituted, relaunched Best Brains Inc.

Or, as they put it when they contacted us about this: The 'Bots are Back!

Beginning November 5th, BBI will be launching its very own website at MST3K.com. The site will feature brand-new animated adventures of Crow, Tom Servo and Gypsy. We're told the goal is to have one new adventure each week (though "some settling may occur with shipping," they added). The Web site will also feature work from the original series (which BBI is now calling "the legacy series"), behind-the-scenes footage and other material culled from the BBI vault.

Also on the site will be BBI's first online store, featuring all new merchandise. (This means that the BBI merchandise section of our site will be taken down. )

The new adventures of the 'bots are being produced by BBI President, MST3K series writer and the returning voice of Gypsy, Jim Mallon. He will be joined on this new experiment by veteran MST3K series writer and performer Paul Chaplin (who will be on the writing team and will be providing the voice of Crow) along with new writing and performing talent.

We know this is going generate a lot of buzz among the fan base and you all probably have a zillion questions. So do we. Many will be answered on Nov. 5th. More will be answered soon after. Jim told us that the site and project "are going to grow in a very organic fashion and we're going to let the characters and the story take us in the direction they want to take us." We at Satellite News can't wait to see it.

What does this mean for Satellite News? The biggest change is that we will no longer be known as "The official MST3K Web site," and this marks the end of our 10-year arrangement with Best Brains as the official voice of the old Info Club. Jim has, however, declared us, "The Official MST3K fan site." We still have close ties to BBI and whenever they have news you'll see it here first, along with news about the rest of the former cast and crew members of our favorite cowtown puppet show. For us, this is just one more topic in the growing list of MST3K-related news it's our job to report.

We have some interesting plans for our site as well, so be sure to stay tuned!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ImOscardotcom on October 29, 2007, 07:57:00 AM
Uh oh.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Rude on October 29, 2007, 08:01:34 AM
...

Wow... this came outta' left field, didn't it? I mean, i'm a regular reader of The Satellite News, but i had no idea this was going on. I guess we won't have to wait too long to see how this is going to play out. I'm kind of excited~

-Rude
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: David on October 29, 2007, 08:01:56 AM
Paul as Crow? Interesting. They better still make fun of movies tho (other cartoons perhaps?)
I like the part about material culled from the BBI vault...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on October 29, 2007, 08:04:28 AM
The only good thing that could possibly come of this is the release of the KTMA episodes.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: David on October 29, 2007, 08:08:04 AM
The only good thing that could possibly come of this is the release of the KTMA episodes.

When I hear about the "BBI vault" that's what I really want to come out of there too. But that's just dreaming.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on October 29, 2007, 08:10:31 AM
Uh oh.

well said
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BathTub on October 29, 2007, 08:10:39 AM
Wow, way to prove to everyone you're not a one trick pony Jim!

At least we know Paul is still around. Though I am curious why he didn't hire Trace.... or Bill.......
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on October 29, 2007, 08:18:54 AM
I'm reluctant to get exited at the moment as I'm sure the 'behind the scenes politics' are still playing out (or they sure will be..) :-\
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on October 29, 2007, 08:24:14 AM
Eh, I think mst3k isn't the bots but the writers.   Seems like most of the "writers" are here.  We'll see...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Natureboy on October 29, 2007, 08:24:37 AM
Well, if there was ever a way of The KTMA pilot - the Green slime to ever be realeased, this is it.  

I guess Jim was the only one don't doing anything online....Rifftrax, Cartoon Dump.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on October 29, 2007, 08:27:00 AM
hasn't crows voice bee recast enough?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: David on October 29, 2007, 08:28:10 AM
I guess Jim was the only one don't doing anything online....Rifftrax, Cartoon Dump.

Yeah, Jim and Paul. That's now three online x-MST3K "cliques" that have had no intermingling at all.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 29, 2007, 09:07:11 AM
I'm more excited for the merchandise....give to daddy.
Title: "The 'Bots Are Back"
Post by: ety3rd on October 29, 2007, 09:18:03 AM
If you head over to http://www.mst3kinfo.com (http://www.mst3kinfo.com), you'll see that Jim Mallon is resurrecting Tom, Crow, Gypsy and more, via the Interweb, starting Nov. 5 at www.mst3k.com.

I have no clue what to make of this, so I'll just paste some of the article here:

Quote
...
The site will feature brand-new animated adventures of Crow, Tom Servo and Gypsy. We're told the goal is to have one new adventure each week (though "some settling may occur with shipping," they added). The Web site will also feature work from the original series (which BBI is now calling "the legacy series"), behind-the-scenes footage and other material culled from the BBI vault.

Also on the site will be BBI's first online store, featuring all new merchandise.

The new adventures of the 'bots are being produced by BBI President, MST3K series writer and the returning voice of Gypsy, Jim Mallon. He will be joined on this new experiment by veteran MST3K series writer and performer Paul Chaplin (who will be on the writing team and will be providing the voice of Crow) along with new writing and performing talent.
...

Wow.  I'm excited by the prospect, but I'm cautiously optimistic.  Very cautiously.


Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: jetjaguar15 on October 29, 2007, 09:19:15 AM
"New Adventures" just gives me a creepy feeling. Like this will be the New adventures of the Care Bears or some similar train wreck.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: MarkAndrew on October 29, 2007, 09:23:47 AM
It's funny, if this had been announced a year and a half ago I'd have been wriggly with excitement.  As it is I'm kind of, "meh".

I think Rifftrax spoiled me.  :-)

I really enjoy Mike and Kevin's writing and humor, especially they way they play off each other.  Mix in a little Corbett and you've got some tasty brain food.

Unless Jim Mallon can convince Joel or Trace to come on board, I'm not to sanguine about this project's chances.  Not ill-wishing, just an observation.

Like everyone else, I'm curious what's going on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: "The 'Bots Are Back"
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 29, 2007, 09:33:54 AM
Bathtub can you combine this with the other one?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Natureboy on October 29, 2007, 10:50:29 AM
Well, you might end up with Trace writing for them again...I know he moved back to Minnesota.....

For that matter....I have no idea what Josn Weinstein is doing...

you never know.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Pak-Man on October 29, 2007, 11:11:36 AM
Color me tentatively excited. This has the potential to go somewhere. Just don't know if it will start anywhere.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gammer on October 29, 2007, 11:14:58 AM
Color me tentatively excited. This has the potential to go somewhere. Just don't know if it will start anywhere.

My thoughts exactly.
Best to wait it out and see where it goes.

I can tell you this though...
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the RiffTrax lunch room when folks start talking to Mike about this.

Or,

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the Nelson residence as Mike tells Bridget of the news

 ;)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: pyro on October 29, 2007, 11:19:44 AM
Well, you might end up with Trace writing for them again...I know he moved back to Minnesota.....

For that matter....I have no idea what Josn Weinstein is doing...

you never know.

I remember in the View-Askew interview he talked about that and wanting to or talking about doing something with Joel and Josh again...


There's no mention of who's doing Servo's voice....
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Rude on October 29, 2007, 11:20:04 AM
...

The Bots and animation, together? Sounds like a winning combo to me. Although, i hope it's not cheezy Flash animation. There are enough of those lame cartoons jamming up the interwebs these days. Badly animated MST3K is likely to just get lost somewhere in the tubes.

Anyway, will they be riffing on anything? Will they have a new human companion? And i'm curious if they'll be returning to the SOL... or if they'll act like they never returned to Earth at all.

Argh! The questions... the questions!

-Rude
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Natureboy on October 29, 2007, 11:38:04 AM
Well, look at it this way...if it stinks...it will be perfect for Rifftrax DIY.  Hopefully it is good though, because I have been completely underwhelmed with Cartoon dumps last 3 or so episodes.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BathTub on October 29, 2007, 11:51:10 AM
There's no mention of who's doing Servo's voice....

I would bet money on Jim doing it. That way he doesn't have to pay someone else.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Natureboy on October 29, 2007, 12:06:13 PM
Well, they said they were hiring new talent.  Maybe Servo is going to be someone new.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Jonny Jit on October 29, 2007, 12:24:48 PM
Wow. 

Looks bad.

The bots may be back, but not the same ones.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: skenderberg on October 29, 2007, 12:55:28 PM
Color me tentatively excited. This has the potential to go somewhere. Just don't know if it will start anywhere.

My thoughts exactly.
Best to wait it out and see where it goes.

I can tell you this though...
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the RiffTrax lunch room when folks start talking to Mike about this.

Or,

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the Nelson residence as Mike tells Bridget of the news

 ;)

I imagine these conversations will be colored greatly by whether or not they already know.  If I were Mr. Mallon and I wanted to bring back the fans, I'd have at least tried to hire the original talent before taking it live with the B Squad.  On the other hand, if he's trying to do it on the cheap, he might have just started with the B Squad. 

I'm curious.  Not excited or disgusted (though I may switch to one of those after seeing the new content).  Just curious.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on October 29, 2007, 01:06:33 PM
Can't wait to see what new swag they got in store. I'd wear a hat with the mst logo or would buy a couple toy robots. As for the cartoon, I think it will come off as fan-made quality. I hate Gypsy with a passion (its the voice that bugs me), so it'll be interesting to see how annoyed I get with "her" being a key character.

Great announcement though, cant wait to see the DVD extra style content too.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on October 29, 2007, 01:13:50 PM
I'm more excited for the merchandise....give to daddy.
Indeed, no more sending in a check or money order and waiting 6 to 8 weeks for delivery, but an actual 'online' store... Welcome to the 21st century Jim!!!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: doggans on October 29, 2007, 01:28:40 PM
I really don't know how to react to this.

I mean, yeah, it seems like Jim's just trying to desperately cash in on the success of RiffTrax, The Film Crew, and Cartoon Dump. But I'm hoping he would have the good sense to ensure the product is at least semi-decent.

The fact that Paul's also involved makes me ever-so-slightly more optimistic...at least it's not just one lone, disgruntled ex-MST writer going off on his own making a fool out of himself.

At any rate, from what little description we have of the "new adventures", it seems like quite a departure from the original show, with the only real similarity being the characters, or at least their names. Sorta like the difference between "The Muppet Show" and the movies/subsequent spinoffs. Alas, this seems like it'll be too much like the post-Henson-death, post-Oz-departure spinoffs.

But, hey, new merch. That's exciting, at least.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on October 29, 2007, 01:29:03 PM
All I want is the KTMAs in high quality... ALL of them (but I'd settle for the first 4).

Any other "legacy" material would be nice too.  Not a big fan of "New Animated Adventures of _______"
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on October 29, 2007, 01:32:08 PM
A comic book would probably of been a better idea on BBI's part. Unless you can get at least one key voice back, you are basically setting yourself up to fail.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on October 29, 2007, 01:32:53 PM
All I want is the KTMAs in high quality... ALL of them.
AGREED! 100%!!
 :clap: :clap:
It's really difficult to get through them as it is, Plus the Crappy/Damaged VCR copies that still exist..
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BathTub on October 29, 2007, 02:02:19 PM
Well you sure as hell aren't going to get the KTMA's.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on October 29, 2007, 02:05:48 PM
Well you sure as hell aren't going to get the KTMA's.
AWW MAN... >:(
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gbeenie on October 29, 2007, 02:17:05 PM
I hate Gypsy with a passion (its the voice that bugs me), so it'll be interesting to see how annoyed I get with "her" being a key character.

You shut your filthy mouth!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 29, 2007, 02:25:01 PM
I hate Gypsy with a passion (its the voice that bugs me), so it'll be interesting to see how annoyed I get with "her" being a key character.

You shut your filthy mouth!

You have a sweet liberal face, but a nasty mouth.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Rude on October 29, 2007, 02:26:29 PM
...

Huh? Did that make any sense to anyone?  ;)

-Rude
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 29, 2007, 02:34:34 PM
...

Huh? Did that make any sense to anyone?  ;)

-Rude

You see, cuz her avatar is Michael Moore!....
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on October 29, 2007, 02:49:26 PM
Wow, just wow.

Okay here it is.  MST3K's strength was always the movie and the reaction to it.  That's the core concept, that's what the people wanted to see.  The host segments and little bit of plot were funny, but they never were meant to carry the episode.  The bots, with a little bit of exception, were funny because they were extensions of the writers and performers, not in and of themselves.  I really don't see these characters working in the long term, with yet another partial cast change, and without a movie to mock.  If they're still going to make fun of stuff, just stuff we can't watch at the same time and have the performance come off as a long rant or something, sorry, we already have Foamy the Squirrel on the internet.

At least give us KTMA stuff and good merch.  And yeah, I know the first one isn't likely, but people said the same thing about unaltered Star Wars on DVD.  If the fans bitch loudly enough maybe someone will listen.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: daltysmilth on October 29, 2007, 03:20:35 PM
Maybe this will be our opportunity to finally see some of the stuff that was meant for MST: The CD ROM.  (Besides Assignment Venezuela, since we've already seen that.)  And if Jim Mallon wants to resurrect MST3K, why not try to convince Adult Swim or Spike TV or someone like that to air some of the old episodes.  Rhino doesn't seem to have too much trouble securing the rights to the movies, so... I mean, it can be done.

And you know, they did say that Trace and Josh have both left AFV, so... there's that.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: MontyServo on October 29, 2007, 03:25:58 PM
I suppose they are his characters and he has the right to use them however he sees fit.  (Seems everyone said the same thing about George Lucas too after Episode 1).  I can't help but wonder if the ship has sailed for something like this to have any sort of success.  I'll check it out, but I don't have high hopes that it will be very good. 

Although if it does have some sort of success and is good, maybe the animated show could be picked up by Adult Swim.  You never really know.

The vault stuff could be interesting too.  Who knows what sort of material they have stashed away?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on October 29, 2007, 03:34:59 PM
I hate Gypsy with a passion (its the voice that bugs me), so it'll be interesting to see how annoyed I get with "her" being a key character.

You shut your filthy mouth!

Alright, I'll be a bit nicer. I hate Gypsy's "voice" with a passion ... the character herself was fine. But I very literally reach for the mute button when she speaks. I can't take that whole men talking as ladies style humor, episodes of South Park can have the same effect on me.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Rude on October 29, 2007, 03:40:46 PM
Quote from: Minnesota
I can't take that whole men talking as ladies style humor...

You must be missing out on years of great Monty Python episodes then~  ;D

-Rude
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on October 29, 2007, 03:41:12 PM
yup
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: daltysmilth on October 29, 2007, 03:45:10 PM
Or the Muppet Show.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on October 29, 2007, 03:46:40 PM
Or... uh... Benny Hill.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on October 29, 2007, 03:48:53 PM
All of the Above ... wait I watched the Muppet movies as a kid
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on October 29, 2007, 03:52:44 PM
Look its just one of my pet peeves ... didn't mean to offend anyone ... but I am being serious about it getting on my nerves, don't understand that brand of humor
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 29, 2007, 04:50:32 PM
Well it's unexpected news. I hope it's great, and I'm keen to check it out, but won't be too surprised if it's not.

Still... here's hoping!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on October 29, 2007, 05:15:01 PM
Look its just one of my pet peeves ... didn't mean to offend anyone ... but I am being serious about it getting on my nerves, don't understand that brand of humor

Well, to be fair, I don't think "your mama" jokes are very funny. De gustibus non disputandum est.

Me either. Had to google that phrase, my latin is nich so good ... "There's no accounting for taste". Indeed :)

(For the record I don't think bringing up Gypsy was all that off-topic. If the main characters are going to be Gypsy, Servo, and Crow then you'all better be Gypsy fans if you plan on enjoying the new MST Flash episodes.)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 29, 2007, 05:17:34 PM
Look its just one of my pet peeves ... didn't mean to offend anyone ... but I am being serious about it getting on my nerves, don't understand that brand of humor

Well, to be fair, I don't think "your mama" jokes are very funny. De gustibus non disputandum est.

Me either. Had to google that phrase, my latin is nich so good ... "There's no accounting for taste". Indeed :)

(For the record I don't think bringing up Gypsy was all that off-topic. If the main characters are going to be Gypsy, Servo, and Crow then you'all better be Gypsy fans if you plan on enjoying the new MST Flash episodes.)

I'm not a big Gypsy fan either.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Alleged on October 29, 2007, 05:18:33 PM
Well, that's just fine news. 

Not much to add except it will be interesting to see this incarnation of MST3K with these players.  No need to second-guess anyone's motives, more MST3K is a good thing.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Natureboy on October 29, 2007, 06:04:29 PM
What is unnerving is the thought of anyone other than Kevin voicing Servo......I have a hard time watching KTMA or Season 1 episodes because I can't get used to J. Elvis' version of Servo.  Now, I get someone else....EEK!  Crow was ok because Bill did a fantastic job and really didn't try to be Trace's Crow.....

Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gbeenie on October 29, 2007, 06:15:39 PM
Quote from: Minnesota
I can't take that whole men talking as ladies style humor...

You must be missing out on years of great Monty Python episodes then~  ;D


"Hello, Mrs. Premise!"
"Hello, Mrs. Conclusion!"
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gbeenie on October 29, 2007, 06:30:15 PM
I hate Gypsy with a passion (its the voice that bugs me), so it'll be interesting to see how annoyed I get with "her" being a key character.

You shut your filthy mouth!

You have a sweet liberal face, but a nasty mouth.

Sweet? Michael Moore? Give me a break. The guy has more EX-employees than George Steinbrenner.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 29, 2007, 06:45:31 PM
If you're anti the guy, you're sending us some real mixed messages with your avatar there.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Kzinistzerg on October 29, 2007, 06:50:30 PM
Well I was initially excited, then I read the part about the original voices aren't there...

Well I hope this can be good, but dear god, Jim Mallon, don't trample the last remnants of MST3k into the dust and leave them there bleeding.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gbeenie on October 29, 2007, 07:11:03 PM
If you're anti the guy, you're sending us some real mixed messages with your avatar there.

Perhaps this will clear up any confusion:

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,5718.0.html (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,5718.0.html)

Also, check out the text underneath the avatar...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Tarantulas on October 29, 2007, 07:21:38 PM
Here's hoping that Jim has something interesting up his sleeve...  new merch is always welcome... as is an online store...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 29, 2007, 07:50:39 PM
mat3k is dead,  long live the new emporer,  long live rifftrax.  :)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: doggans on October 29, 2007, 07:55:18 PM
Look its just one of my pet peeves ... didn't mean to offend anyone ... but I am being serious about it getting on my nerves, don't understand that brand of humor

There's nothing really inherently funny in the act of a male actor dressing in drag and speaking in a shrill woman's voice in and of itself, but in the case of, say, Python and Kids in the Hall, it could be used to great effect in a well-written sketch. They never made the punchline be the fact that a man was in a dress; they just played it straight as if women were playing the roles, and let the material speak for itself. Besides, Terry Jones simply made a more convincing ugly old woman than Carol Cleveland would have. :P

So, yeah. New MST3K website on the way, and stuff.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Moyer78 on October 29, 2007, 08:30:43 PM
mat3k is dead,  long live the new emporer,  long live rifftrax.  :)

I agree. Hey' I loved MST3K. I've seen all of the episodes and watched most of them multiple times (Thanks DAP!) But I know one of the big reasons that show was so funny was Mike Nelson, the head writer of MST3K for many years, even before he was the host. Kevin was also a huge part of that show and later so was Bill. So basically where Mike, Kevin, and Bill go, I go. MST3K without those guys just kind of seems wrong.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: eegah on October 29, 2007, 09:34:15 PM
You know...Trace and Josh just left AFV to "pursue other projects".

Coincidence?   :-\
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: LadyKenobi on October 29, 2007, 09:54:59 PM
Huh.  Well.

As long as he doesn't go in and start, for instance, digitally deleting Frank and Trace from the "Legacy" series...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ambitiously stupid on October 29, 2007, 10:14:18 PM
My theory is that it is just a way to drive traffic to his new BBI MST3K merchandise site.   A minute or two long short to keep the brand alive. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: MrTorso on October 29, 2007, 10:19:38 PM
My theory is that it is just a way to drive traffic to his new BBI MST3K merchandise site.   A minute or two long short to keep the brand alive. 

Hopefully that merchandise will consist of manufactured DVDs of previously tape only releases like the Scrapbook Tape and the Last Dance: Raw..
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: daltysmilth on October 29, 2007, 11:53:34 PM
Look its just one of my pet peeves ... didn't mean to offend anyone ... but I am being serious about it getting on my nerves, don't understand that brand of humor

There's nothing really inherently funny in the act of a male actor dressing in drag and speaking in a shrill woman's voice in and of itself, but in the case of, say, Python and Kids in the Hall, it could be used to great effect in a well-written sketch. They never made the punchline be the fact that a man was in a dress; they just played it straight as if women were playing the roles, and let the material speak for itself. Besides, Terry Jones simply made a more convincing ugly old woman than Carol Cleveland would have. :P

Even in the 30th Anniversary Special, Terry Jones is more believable as an old woman than Carol Cleveland.  She could still pass for late 40's at the oldest.


Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on October 30, 2007, 06:09:56 AM
Well, the only reason I mentioned the KTMAs was because he's the one with the tapes. If there was ever any chance of seeing some high-quality vintage stuff, this would seem to be it. I'm sure there are other considerations though...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on October 30, 2007, 06:25:23 AM
You know...Trace and Josh just left AFV to "pursue other projects".

Coincidence?   :-\

Perhaps.  If Trace were going to be working on this new project, I doubt that Paul would have been announced as the voice of Crow.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BathTub on October 30, 2007, 06:29:42 AM
You know...Trace and Josh just left AFV to "pursue other projects".

Coincidence?   :-\

Perhaps.  If Trace were going to be working on this new project, I doubt that Paul would have been announced as the voice of Crow.

Exactly, if Trace was involved you'd tell everyone.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Cambot on October 30, 2007, 07:44:45 AM
No one told me. :'(
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 30, 2007, 08:10:11 AM
Sorry, but you have been down-sized Cambot.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: skenderberg on October 30, 2007, 09:22:51 AM
You know...Trace and Josh just left AFV to "pursue other projects".

Coincidence?   :-\

Yes.  He name-dropped Paul.  If Trace was involved, he'd have name-dropped him too. 

Whatever it turns out to be, it'll have Jim and Paul, possibly supplemented by people we've never heard of.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: MarkAndrew on October 30, 2007, 09:55:36 AM
I just want to say:
  I really hope we aren't seeing the beginning of MST 'clique-ing', I 'd hate to see my favorite funny people forming their own little groups and snubbing each other.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Compound on October 30, 2007, 09:58:57 AM
Well, Trace is accounted for now. (And Frank, and Josh, and Mary Jo and Joel too.) Looks like everyone except for Patrick Branseg has a new project.

Poor Patrick.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: jetjaguar15 on October 30, 2007, 10:00:52 AM
In case you're wondering what they're talking about:

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,5828.0.html
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BathTub on October 30, 2007, 12:41:11 PM
Haha Jim, no is really going to care now.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: YoohooRiffer on October 30, 2007, 12:47:50 PM
Haha Jim, no is really going to care now.

I kind of care.  As long as it doesn't cost money I'll definately watch the animated adventures of the 'bots.  Plus the whole new website should be nice. 
Yes Jim Mallon did some douchey things and may even be trying to make some money off of Rifftrax success, but i still like MST3K and I've never heard anything that's made me dislike Paul.  Unless this animated series utterly disrespects and destroys my good memories of MST3K then I'll watch them.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on October 30, 2007, 12:48:04 PM
Haha Jim, no is really going to care now.

hee hee hee  :P
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BathTub on October 30, 2007, 12:56:31 PM
Haha Jim, no is really going to care now.

I kind of care.  As long as it doesn't cost money I'll definately watch the animated adventures of the 'bots.  Plus the whole new website should be nice. 
Yes Jim Mallon did some douchey things and may even be trying to make some money off of Rifftrax success, but i still like MST3K and I've never heard anything that's made me dislike Paul.  Unless this animated series utterly disrespects and destroys my good memories of MST3K then I'll watch them.

It's just that the timing of it, while apparently a total co-incidence according to the CT web master, totally overshadows jim's project.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on October 30, 2007, 01:06:37 PM
As well it should.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on October 30, 2007, 08:32:13 PM
Holy crap.  My thoughts: people are seeing how successful Mike is with rifftrax be so they're jumping on the bandwagon and trying to suck the life out of mst3k. . . all of the sudden-like, it seems.

I'm interested to see what survives.  Not interested to hear all the "Joel Vs. Mike" etc. that happened way back when and forced me off to either attempt suicide or unsub from the usenet group.  Luckily for you guys [/sarcasm], I choose the latter.   I have a feeling it will be back again in full force.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: daltysmilth on October 30, 2007, 08:43:21 PM
Whatever else, I'd say that someone has a good question topic for the next Ask Mike, and right now it's only a matter of whose version of the question gets answered.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: LadyKenobi on October 30, 2007, 10:02:26 PM
Yeah, and Mike is way too classy to actually answer in any juicy way.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Ninjew on October 31, 2007, 06:32:01 AM
I know that Jim had some hard times personally during the latter third of MST3K's existence, but considering how he treated those that "stuck with it to the end", it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

And as much as I'm enjoying Film Crew, I'd like to see Mike,Bill and Kevin be involved with Titanic to keep that up to the best standards possible, and keep doing Rifftrax as well.  'Cause when you think about it, for Josh and Trace to leave a nice cushy job to enter into this venture instead - it says a LOT about commitment and how well they think it's gonna work/sell.  Having Mike/Bill/Kevin on board would only ensure it's success.

Cinematic Titanic looks to actually be "MST3K 2.0" we've been waiting for.

 :clap:
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: pyro on October 31, 2007, 06:52:10 AM
which reminds me....  Jim doesn't own any sort of copyright to the silhouettes does he?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on October 31, 2007, 06:55:37 AM
CT is using a different sillhouette... kinda on the sides, like a scaffolding.

(http://www.cinematictitanic.com/bosslogo_sm.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Ninjew on October 31, 2007, 06:59:46 AM
And they won't watch the movies with robots.

They'll be using "droids" instead  ;D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BathTub on October 31, 2007, 07:54:50 AM
Yeah I imagine the scaffold is a deliberate design to get around any claim BBI might have.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on October 31, 2007, 07:59:06 AM
Doesn't it seem odd that Joel can't even use his own ideas?

Fkn lawyers...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: pyro on October 31, 2007, 08:41:23 AM
CT is using a different sillhouette... kinda on the sides, like a scaffolding.

(http://www.cinematictitanic.com/bosslogo_sm.jpg)

the idea of a scaffold silhouette for riffing just totally blew my mind
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Pak-Man on October 31, 2007, 08:51:42 AM
And they won't watch the movies with robots.

They'll be using "droids" instead  ;D

We've got cinema signal!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 31, 2007, 12:40:44 PM
Oooooh so many more backs of heads to watch for the slightest bit of subtlety!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gbeenie on October 31, 2007, 12:42:02 PM
And they won't watch the movies with robots.

They'll be using "droids" instead  ;D

We've got cinema signal!

Time for the Creation Swap.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Cambot on October 31, 2007, 12:54:39 PM
On the Space Capsule of Benevolent Caring?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gbeenie on October 31, 2007, 12:56:04 PM
On the Space Capsule of Benevolent Caring?

With Mick, Crom and Tim Actuator
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: tgeorgic on October 31, 2007, 12:56:23 PM
projects sent to them by insane researchers?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 31, 2007, 12:57:30 PM
On Shallow 31?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gbeenie on October 31, 2007, 12:57:51 PM
Full of Cinema con Queso.  (I actually use this phrase; if it;'s an "arty" film, I say Cinema du Fromage)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Darth Geek on October 31, 2007, 12:58:47 PM
I'm interested to see what the new BBI does with the bots.
I'm less interested in seeing what Joel is going to do (although I will certainly give it a chance). While I am constantly shocked that ANYONE prefers Joel to Mike (at least Mike was acting, not that well, but he was ACTING. Joel was barely even trying.), I beg all of you who actually know of the shows behind the scenes in the early years to remember that Joel originally had the comments being truly "adlibbed". He resisted when Mike became the head writer in the first comedy central season and had the comments pre-written, actually putting real work into it. Resulting in the joke a minute MST3K that we all love. So it is important to realize that it is primarily MIKE NELSON, and the other writers (Kevin and Bill being major ones) that are the real reason MST3K was so great.
What Cinematic Titanic (good name, though) means to me, is that it is significantly less likely for Trace to ever be a guest riffer on Rifftrax. And for that I am deeply saddened.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on October 31, 2007, 01:00:05 PM
Sometimes you feel like a joke a minute, sometimes you don't.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on October 31, 2007, 01:00:40 PM
I'm interested to see what the new BBI does with the bots.
I'm less interested in seeing what Joel is going to do (although I will certainly give it a chance). While I am constantly shocked that ANYONE prefers Joel to Mike (at least Mike was acting, not that well, but he was ACTING. Joel was barely even trying.), I beg all of you who actually know of the shows behind the scenes in the early years to remember that Joel originally had the comments being truly "adlibbed". He resisted when Mike became the head writer in the first comedy central season and had the comments pre-written, actually putting real work into it. Resulting in the joke a minute MST3K that we all love. So it is important to realize that it is primarily MIKE NELSON, and the other writers (Kevin and Bill being major ones) that are the real reason MST3K was so great.
What Cinematic Titanic (good name, though) means to me, is that it is significantly less likely for Trace to ever be a guest riffer on Rifftrax. And for that I am deeply saddened.

I think you go too far. The "real reason MST3K was so great"? In your opinion. You make it clear that you dislike Joel and you can't understand why anyone would like him. Well, believe it or not, people do. Some even like him better! [gasp!]

It's one great big happy family. If you don't like Joel, don't bother with CT.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Darth Geek on October 31, 2007, 01:01:11 PM
I am curious to know what else there is to CT than just the riffing, if "they hope to get it out by Christmas" when Rifftrax takes a week.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 31, 2007, 01:01:23 PM
Sometimes you feel like a joke a minute, sometimes you don't.

Rifftrax has nuts, Cinematic Titanic don't?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Puumagirl on October 31, 2007, 01:47:50 PM
When I first began watching MST3K, per my 11 year old nephew, I loved Joel, and his way about him, the bots were wonderful.  Then along came Mike.  I was wary, didn't have much confidence that he could pull it off.   But to my wonderment Mike was better!  Much, much funnier!  He made it look easy and second nature.  And then Brain Guy joined the cast.  Outstanding!  Suddenly even the Crow and Servo exchenges became three dimensional!  I missed Frank and Trace, but the show did improve.

Thank you Kodiak for the link.  Could someone answer me as to why Paul Chaplin is going to be the voice of Crow if Trace is supposedly back?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: David on October 31, 2007, 01:59:17 PM
When I first began watching MST3K, per my 11 year old nephew, I loved Joel, and his way about him, the bots were wonderful.  Then along came Mike.  I was wary, didn't have much confidence that he could pull it off.   But to my wonderment Mike was better!  Much, much funnier!  He made it look easy and second nature.  And then Brain Guy joined the cast.  Outstanding!  Suddenly even the Crow and Servo exchenges became three dimensional!  I missed Frank and Trace, but the show did improve.

Thank you Kodiak for the link.  Could someone answer me as to why Paul Chaplin is going to be the voice of Crow if Trace is supposedly back?

He's doing Cinematic Titanic. Cinematic Titanic is not connected to Best Brains or Jim Mallon or the bots in any way.
That's right, the legacy of MST3K is now divided into 3 camps.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on October 31, 2007, 02:19:55 PM
At least we can finally say "Rifftrax isn't mst3k 2.0." with power.  BBI is actually mst3k 2.0.

As for Joel vs Mike . . . (http://www.cybervixen.net/Suicide.gif)

Can't we just say they're different? Naw, we're msties, we can't do that.  Hey, let's get into some Trace vs Bill.  Bill was way better.  Trace blows ;)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on October 31, 2007, 02:27:35 PM
Hey, let's get into some Trace vs Bill.  Bill was way better.  Trace blows ;)

You mean we have to choose one over the other????????

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Okay, I like Bill's attitude as Crow, but as far as funny goes, I'd say Trace may hold a slight edge.

But Joel vs. Mike, on the other hand....

MIKE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on October 31, 2007, 02:48:23 PM
NO WAY!! And Weinstein was the far superior Servo.  Kevin Murphy is such a no talent ham.  Weinstein  ROCKS!!!!!!!

I HATE TOM SERVO'S NEW VOICE!!!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on October 31, 2007, 03:02:14 PM
 :'(

Can't we all just get along?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on October 31, 2007, 03:09:30 PM
Joel  :duel: Mike
Trace :duel: Bill
Josh :duel: Kevin

END RESULT?
 :deadhorse:
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Puumagirl on October 31, 2007, 03:10:15 PM
When I first began watching MST3K, per my 11 year old nephew, I loved Joel, and his way about him, the bots were wonderful.  Then along came Mike.  I was wary, didn't have much confidence that he could pull it off.   But to my wonderment Mike was better!  Much, much funnier!  He made it look easy and second nature.  And then Brain Guy joined the cast.  Outstanding!  Suddenly even the Crow and Servo exchenges became three dimensional!  I missed Frank and Trace, but the show did improve.

Thank you Kodiak for the link.  Could someone answer me as to why Paul Chaplin is going to be the voice of Crow if Trace is supposedly back?

He's doing Cinematic Titanic. Cinematic Titanic is not connected to Best Brains or Jim Mallon or the bots in any way.
That's right, the legacy of MST3K is now divided into 3 camps.


We have created a three party in a one party system!!  We have the power to destroy or create!  The Fringe does have influence!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bairman on October 31, 2007, 03:48:12 PM
"Better" is subjective.  There is now something different for every taste.

Life is good.  Enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 31, 2007, 03:49:51 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2158/1810044953_e7f6302172_o.gif)!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on October 31, 2007, 03:52:56 PM
You forgot 1 important topic there...

- DUNE
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 31, 2007, 03:54:47 PM
I have to come up with a parody that will work with Dune first.   ;D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 31, 2007, 04:26:41 PM
I think it's funny that people are already deciding which ones they like and don't like when they haven't even launched yet.

Also... I hate to say this, but if they were all going to be cooperating... I'm pretty sure Rifftrax could have expanded to incorperate all of them. We could have had weekly releases. Mike didn't have to be in all of them. It could have been alternating couplings, or even random matches.

I think CT will be a very seperate entity.

(He says, speculating wildly, knowing none of the facts.)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 31, 2007, 04:32:44 PM
I will shower all of them with money if they are at least as funny as Rifftrax is.  I will work 3 jobs to support my habit.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Cambot on October 31, 2007, 04:41:52 PM
Full of Cinema con Queso.[

VideoDroid, give me Thruster Letter I !!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BathTub on October 31, 2007, 04:50:07 PM
I will shower all of them with money if they are at least as funny as Rifftrax is.  I will work 3 jobs to support my habit.

Mystery Crack House 3000
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: WereSquirrel on October 31, 2007, 05:10:48 PM
I'm very cautious about the new Bots thingy... I'll withold judgement until I see how it works, if it another riff based program, or just random antics. No sense saying whether it'll be good or not before we really know anything about it.

I will admit that I'm intrigued by this CT development. While I will admit a preference to Mike, Bill and Kevin, Joel and crew have a special place in my heart too. If it's good, then it'll just mean having to send my money to both of them.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: TheUnabeefer on October 31, 2007, 05:54:45 PM
I will admit that I'm intrigued by this CT development. While I will admit a preference to Mike, Bill and Kevin, Joel and crew have a special place in my heart too. If it's good, then it'll just mean having to send my money to both of them.

Has anyone yet to wonder why they don't all just team up on something again?!  They ALL seem to be into the joy behind it again/still...  It's like we have seperate thirds of MST3k that could wonderfully fit back together.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: pyro on October 31, 2007, 06:30:49 PM
I think it's funny that people are already deciding which ones they like and don't like when they haven't even launched yet.

Also... I hate to say this, but if they were all going to be cooperating... I'm pretty sure Rifftrax could have expanded to incorperate all of them. We could have had weekly releases. Mike didn't have to be in all of them. It could have been alternating couplings, or even random matches.

I think CT will be a very seperate entity.

(He says, speculating wildly, knowing none of the facts.)

I've always wondered about that possibility....  it'd be fun to hear Joel, Trace, and Kevin take on Planet of the Apes or something....
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: LadyKenobi on October 31, 2007, 06:55:36 PM
...Is the next movie Spider-Man?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Janitor on October 31, 2007, 08:54:47 PM
Full of Cinema con Queso.[

VideoDroid, give me Thruster Letter I !!

Whaddya think, Gentlemen?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Cambot on November 01, 2007, 06:58:49 AM
Full of Cinema con Queso.[

VideoDroid, give me Thruster Letter I !!

Whaddya think, Gentlemen?

IIIIIIIIT SMEEELLLS!

activate the switch, Fred,
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 01, 2007, 02:16:40 PM
Full of Cinema con Queso.[

VideoDroid, give me Thruster Letter I !!

Whaddya think, Gentlemen?

IIIIIIIIT SMEEELLLS!

activate the switch, Fred,

Keep dispersing the cassettes
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 01, 2007, 02:23:25 PM
I've always wondered about that possibility....  it'd be fun to hear Joel, Trace, and Kevin take on Planet of the Apes or something....

My fear is that Kevin and Bill are in Minnesota where Cinematic Titanic supposedly is.  I hope that doesn't mean less of them in San Diego in the future.  Seems like it'd be easy to, pardon the pun, jump ship.

I'm sure there's enough to go around but it could ultimately be easier to supplement Joel.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 01, 2007, 02:47:43 PM
^^^ certainly makes the $4 dollar price tag a bit more relevant ... almost as if some sort of renegotiated contracts took effect ;)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Janitor on November 01, 2007, 02:53:34 PM
Full of Cinema con Queso.[

VideoDroid, give me Thruster Letter I !!

Whaddya think, Gentlemen?

IIIIIIIIT SMEEELLLS!

activate the switch, Fred,

Keep dispersing the cassettes

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Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 01, 2007, 02:57:50 PM
Full of Cinema con Queso.[

VideoDroid, give me Thruster Letter I !!

Whaddya think, Gentlemen?

IIIIIIIIT SMEEELLLS!

activate the switch, Fred,

Keep dispersing the cassettes

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Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Cambot on November 01, 2007, 05:38:30 PM
Full of Cinema con Queso.[

VideoDroid, give me Thruster Letter I !!

Whaddya think, Gentlemen?

IIIIIIIIT SMEEELLLS!

activate the switch, Fred,

Keep dispersing the cassettes

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Writers of the Inaugural Constitutional Change
and
The Farmers of Canada

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Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Erichw5 on November 02, 2007, 05:42:58 PM
man the site isn't even up yet and here you guys are picking it apart. we have no idea if joel or mike are in on this. they are part of the brains and are entitled to the brand as well. unless Jim ate all the rights to mst3k in some insane media event i missed. So how about we wait and see? but it is fun to speculate............... what the hell i think that mike and kevin will be the other voices and the bots will be back to make fun of movies and it will be mst3k all over again. I mean after all nintendo is back from the ninties.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: YoohooRiffer on November 02, 2007, 06:06:20 PM
man the site isn't even up yet and here you guys are picking it apart. we have no idea if joel or mike are in on this. they are part of the brains and are entitled to the brand as well. unless Jim ate all the rights to mst3k in some insane media event i missed. So how about we wait and see? but it is fun to speculate............... what the hell i think that mike and kevin will be the other voices and the bots will be back to make fun of movies and it will be mst3k all over again. I mean after all nintendo is back from the ninties.

Sorry buddy but Jim does have all the rights to mst3k.  No one is in on this except for Jim and apparently Paul as a writer.  So it won't be a reunion at all, just some little animated shorts of the bots doing stuff.  Who knows maybe they'll mock some movies but it's pretty apparent that Mike, Joel and everyone else won't have a thing to do with it.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 02, 2007, 06:51:56 PM
I was under the impression, from interviews and such, that Mike et al were never owners/partners in BBI, they were employees of BBI.  That's like saying if I once worked for Alltel, I have rights to whatever they produce from now on. ;)

I was also under the imperssion there was a bit of love lost between them all.  I have no insider info, just read a fair bit of gossip.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 02, 2007, 07:12:24 PM
yeah, despite what you say Erichw5, we actually have a VERY good idea whether or not Joel and Mike are in on this, and that in fact they are not.  Both are busy with their own non-MST3K riffing projects, as are just about everyone that's had a recurring role on the MST cast leaving out Jim and Paul who got their little cartoon.

Not going to say the cartoon sucks before seeing it.  I just am going to say it SOUNDS sucky.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Erichw5 on November 02, 2007, 08:48:33 PM
yeah there is a chance you are right. I am just saying that joel created mst3k and that he is given that credited and mike was the head writer that should mean something legally. not like they just sold phones for jim
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 02, 2007, 08:52:00 PM
I'll agree Joel and Mike SHOULD have some say in MST3K considering they are the two people who had the most to do with it's direction, concept, and success, but legally Jim is the president of Best Brains and has already flexed a legal muscle or two in MST related matters.  Unfortunately when it comes to performers and writers as compared to executives and producers, it isn't all that different from a phone salesman/boss relationship.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Erichw5 on November 02, 2007, 09:01:43 PM
yeah. unfortunely i was under the impression that there was no ill will between them. if there is some friction that does change it quite a bit and i apologize for my eariler comment. i just want the family back together sniff...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 02, 2007, 10:15:59 PM
You obviously don't know much about the entertainment business.  Being a writer or even a creator doesn't mean much once you sign that contract, especially if you're young and inexperienced.  You can basically sign over every right you have (and many do for their shot at fame and fortune.  It's not like you have a whole lot to negotiate with when nobody has heard of you.).  Like they said, it's really not much different than selling phones.  Maybe it should be.  Hardly seems fair.

Isn't that what this writer's strike is kinda about? The writers don't get paid for content distribution that the studio is getting revenue from.  So, the studio is increasing revenue through "new media" (internet, DVD, etc) but they just get paid the same paycheck. 

It's the same with other jobs though.  You work for a university and you sign over the rights to anything you discover to them.  You work for Pfizer and you discover a new drug, they get the rights to it.  You think Xerox is still getting money from Microsoft?  ;)

*I hate not having Firefox to correct my spelling.  I need a writer!!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 03, 2007, 01:22:37 AM
yeah. unfortunely i was under the impression that there was no ill will between them. if there is some friction that does change it quite a bit and i apologize for my eariler comment. i just want the family back together sniff...

No need to apologize, it at the least is a good thought.  Maybe someday they can all have a beer and a laugh and put whatever friction there was behind them, we can always hope.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: torgosPizza on November 03, 2007, 10:04:08 AM
My fear is that Kevin and Bill are in Minnesota where Cinematic Titanic supposedly is. 

That's where they live.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 03, 2007, 01:50:03 PM
Yeah, that's what I said you cryptic moderator type. ;)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: jetjaguar15 on November 05, 2007, 07:04:32 AM
Ok, so the "new" mst3k.com is up now. Anybody else seen it? Personally, I think it stinks.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: nosebleed on November 05, 2007, 07:13:19 AM
Ok, so the "new" mst3k.com is up now. Anybody else seen it? Personally, I think it stinks.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/MightyJack/it_stinks.gif)
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Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: doggans on November 05, 2007, 07:21:36 AM
It's still kinda early to tell at this point. So far, it has its ups and downs.

Personally, I'm no fan of the animation style, but it could very well grow on me over time. Still, I hope they add some non-cartoon merch soon.

Paul's Crow voice is acceptable, but this James Moore fellow is no Tom Servo.

Look, we all know it's true: the host segments were always the weakest part of MST3K. I'm not saying they were all bad; there were several that were very, very funny indeed. But the true hilarity came from the riffing. (Some of my friends actually speculated that the Brains intentionally made the host segments weaker, just to give you a chance to catch your breath from laughing so hard throughout the rest of the show.)  At any rate, while there were several hilarious host segments, there were just as many that fell completely flat, and even more that, while fairly amusing, were obvious one-note jokes that dragged on for too long after the punchline was obvious. This first cartoon was one of those. Almost as soon as you see Crow in the kayak, you figure it'll end with him capsizing.

I'm sure they'll add more soon than just a cartoon and a few classic host segments, and I'm hoping they add rarer, more interesting stuff.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: pyro on November 05, 2007, 07:28:21 AM
I can't even get it to load properly, it just kept skipping
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: YoohooRiffer on November 05, 2007, 08:43:15 AM
I can't even get it to load properly, it just kept skipping

Same here.  I couldn't get any audio till I clicked to watch the animated short and even then it won't stop skipping.  I hope they fix it.

Look, we all know it's true: the host segments were always the weakest part of MST3K. I'm not saying they were all bad; there were several that were very, very funny indeed. But the true hilarity came from the riffing. (Some of my friends actually speculated that the Brains intentionally made the host segments weaker, just to give you a chance to catch your breath from laughing so hard throughout the rest of the show.)  At any rate, while there were several hilarious host segments, there were just as many that fell completely flat, and even more that, while fairly amusing, were obvious one-note jokes that dragged on for too long after the punchline was obvious.

While I love the riffing, obviously, I always looked forward to the host segments.  Sometimes when the movie's so bad even the riffing can't save it.  I've actually made dvds of all the host segments from season 9 and 10 so I can just watch them.  While the riffing was the most important part of the show, the host segments helped the characters evolve and made the show more personable.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: YoohooRiffer on November 05, 2007, 08:45:58 AM
I just realized that I can hear the audio perfectly if I open a new window or minimize it.  So I can't see the video without it lagging but I can listen to it.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: GregMcduck on November 05, 2007, 09:45:16 AM
Yeah, the Flash they're using is pretty crappy. I couldn't get it to stop skipping. Paul does make an okay Crow, but I don't know what's going on with this James Moore guy. The segment was not funny, at least the stuff I could make out from the skipping. The video vault contains nothing but host segments I already know by heart, and the store offers nothing we haven't seen before.

So, at least so far, I give it a  :grr:  :grr:  :grr: out of  :grr:  :grr:  :grr:  :grr:
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 05, 2007, 09:47:46 AM
This invention exchange sucks!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on November 05, 2007, 10:08:07 AM
I feel like Charlie Brown at Halloween

"All I get is a rock black screen"
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 05, 2007, 10:08:31 AM
video didn't make me laugh but it was about what I expected as far as animation style (ie; fan-made quality flash)

...so where is mst3k.com's online store? that was the main thing that had me excited about the new site.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: GregMcduck on November 05, 2007, 10:17:47 AM
http://www.mst3k.com/store/home.php

Besides a few new T-shirt designs featuring the cartoon versions of the characters, there isn't anything here to note.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 05, 2007, 10:43:34 AM
http://www.mst3k.com/store/home.php

Besides a few new T-shirt designs featuring the cartoon versions of the characters, there isn't anything here to note.

thanks greg, you're right nothing of note, kinda disappointed
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on November 05, 2007, 10:53:39 AM
Weird, if I enter the URL directly, all i get is a blank screen, but if I link to it via another browser window, I get in..... mostly without sound.

The new cartoon out there was pretty bad....... the voices just put me off.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on November 05, 2007, 11:46:36 AM
It's just crappy. As expected.

And nothing cool to buy.  :(
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Puumagirl on November 05, 2007, 11:53:00 AM
I can't get the page to scroll down, and there is no sound.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on November 05, 2007, 12:20:11 PM
Well I guess it's obvious Jim Mallon wasn't the genius behind MST3K.  I'll check out the next few and if they don't get better I don't think I'll be back. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 05, 2007, 12:43:04 PM
WARNING: The following post contains graphic amounts of tl;dr.  Viewer discretion is advised.

Ahh, MST3k.Com....

The website was a little bit shaky, I thought.  I would have liked to have seen a little bit more going on in the menu screen, and by "seen," I mean "I wish there was sound."  There's just something a little bit unnerving about having the bots twitch around and jump around and be cute and stuff without any giggling or various other noises, or not having the SOL make those little whirring and PING! noises that I've grown so used to in the show.  I also think it takes too long for the animation to go through its motions to try to get you into the theater or into the video archive, which is pretty annoying.

As for the flash, I'm trying to keep an optimistic face about this whole thing.  The host segments have always fascinated me as far as MST3k goes.  I find them endearing, so I didn't really think that sending the bots on new escapades would be all that odd.  And I'm one of the odd ones that liked the animation style, despite the inaccuracies in the character models.  (Yes, Crow, I'm looking at you.)

As for the animation short, itself....  I want to like this one, so I'm going to keep an open mind as much as possible.  But even with a positive mentality, I'm not all that happy with it.  I thought it started off well-enough, really.  I kind of liked Paul Chaplin's rendition of Crow, and thought that the fishing angle wasn't too bad.  But then Crow started off his little "kayak" monologue, and I quickly grew tired of it.  After the initial, rather cute stuff with fisherman Crow, the whole thing felt like a set-up for a bad slapstick routine, and that's not fun.

What struck me as really odd was the video section.  It just seems really weird to supply people with a comparison to original show so they can see how flawed the animation is.  I get what Mallon was trying to do, but the videos aren't even high-quality, really, so what's the use?

I'm going to give the guys the benefit of the doubt, though.  It's a fresh cartoon, venturing in different territory, and I think it's a noble effort.  I don't think the voices are all that bad, and I do like the animation.  But if I could make a couple of suggestions, I know what I would say to Mallon about this.

~ No more monologues, especially not ones that sound like a kayak commercial.  It's not funny to have a character ramble on like that, especially if the "punch line" is really weak, and extended monologues like that only show off the weakness of the voice actors.  You've already got a bunch of people looking down your nose at you for trading out the original cast.  Don't piss them off even more.
~ No more technobabble.  Please.  Neutron capacitor?  What, competing with MST3K alumni not enough?  You trying to mess with Star Trek, too?
~ Explain how they ended up back on the ship.  Until I saw this thing for the third time (to try to pin down the "neutron capacitor" thinger there), I thought they were chilling back on Earth for a while.  How'd they end up back in space?  Embellishment is required, my good sir.
~ You can't scream when you're underwater.  Now I'm just nitpicking, true, but Crow being underwater and having his scream still heard loud and clear just rubbed me the wrong way.
~ How about a little credit to Joel or something?  Like, "Based off of an original idea by...."  I mean, you even get to slap your name onto that, as well, since you're credited for coming up with the series, as well!  Why pass that up?

... Yeah, despite my protestations, I'm still keeping an open mind about this.  Heck, MST3k came a long way, didn't it?  Why not make the most of this?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 05, 2007, 12:47:01 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2017/1876823178_1cf0c480a3_o.jpg)! :grr:
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 05, 2007, 12:50:05 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2017/1876823178_1cf0c480a3_o.jpg)! :grr:
:D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 05, 2007, 12:50:25 PM
Hey, I did warn you about tl;dr, Amy.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 05, 2007, 12:55:13 PM
No, no, the picture is my initial reaction to the site.  Why get us all pumped and then give us nothing.  Crow looks like shit.
I just want a cool MST3k t-shirt designed by a graphic designer so that it doesn't look like shit.  How long do we have to wait for some decent merchandise.  This is where Lucas excelled.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: skenderberg on November 05, 2007, 02:19:03 PM
Just saw the new MST3K cartoon, and I'm a bit perplexed.  Was this supposed to be a comedy?  Where are the jokes?  If they tried to be funny and failed, I'd be a bit more understanding, but it doesn't look like they even tried.  Was the mere presence of the 'Bots supposed to make us laugh?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 05, 2007, 02:24:27 PM
M'kay.. Where's the link to view this cartoon?? I'm Missing It Somewhere.. ???
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: erika_lk on November 05, 2007, 02:25:17 PM
Well the top half of the page seems ok.   :grr:  Apparently scrolls bars are a thing of the past..
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Tarantulas on November 05, 2007, 02:25:21 PM
The thing I find most disturbing is they they dropped all the old merch.... like it's a total attempt to make a break from the old show.... trust me, the fan's aren't pleased.

Here's hoping it's just a false start...  the video section should be the home of rare stuff... behind the scene's stuff... KTMA stuff... not video clips that make YouTube look HD in comparison.

My money says that BBI sold the online rights to some people who had never actually seen MST3K and were just looking to license something to promote their line of kayaks.

also,

I HATE CROW & TOM SERVO'S VOICES.

Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Tarantulas on November 05, 2007, 02:26:56 PM
Oh yeah... who would design the site to only work at like 1280x1024 resolution?

....some totally amature hack, that's who!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: pyro on November 05, 2007, 02:38:54 PM
That video actually made me sad.....
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 05, 2007, 02:41:48 PM
No, no, the picture is my initial reaction to the site.  Why get us all pumped and then give us nothing.  Crow looks like shit.

I figured.  I was just making a stupid little joke.

M'kay.. Where's the link to view this cartoon?? I'm Missing It Somewhere.. ???

Just go to www.mst3k.com, then hit the red button (Current Event).  Then you can share in all the brain-hurty that the rest of the board has gone through.   :P
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: daltysmilth on November 05, 2007, 02:42:34 PM
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and keep with this.  It took awhile for Homestarrunner to find its niche, including in terms of storytelling, humor, and finding an audience.  Look at how Marshmallow's Last Stand compares with the latest Strong Bad E-mail, for instance.  We know Paul is capable of being very funny, and the animation is very good for what it is.  I'm not crazy about the character designs, either, but I think that the guys are more than capable of making this project much better.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 05, 2007, 02:42:59 PM
Yeah, I couldn't even see the store on my home PC.  My work PC has a monitor the size of a whale so I saw it.

Really poor site but hey, it's a first go at it.  I'll give it another chance.  I'd like some cool merch.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on November 05, 2007, 02:45:37 PM
Dim of the Yard touches on most of my initial responses to the Animated short as well.

I was kind of crestfallen when there were no noises to accompany the hallway segment. Hearing the gates/doors is just as important as seeing them.

Crow needs to be redrawn. Period. There are far to many decent flash artists out there. Surely, once of them would be able to animate Crow T. Robot properly. The voices threw me too, but I can see them growing on me. Tom's is fine, but again, Crow needs some work. It's not so much the voice that's off, it's the vocal characteristics and speech patterns that are off.

Also, the single episode gags are fine, so long as they're funny, which we have established that this first one isn't. However, I'd like to see an ongoing story. Let's really get busy with seriously exploring the SOL. Also, something else Dim brought up, perhaps they could tie in how they "got back on the Satellite", or, somehow try to establish that this timeline is supposed to be taking place before the final episode.

Lots of holes to plug, work to complete, and re-thinking to be done.
I hold high hope for the future of this project, but this isn't the path to take. If they continue down this one, I won't follow.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 05, 2007, 03:21:36 PM
Average is the nicest thing I can say about it.

And that's being generous.

I will try another one of two, but if they are like this one...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ambitiously stupid on November 05, 2007, 04:25:31 PM
Plus, that just wasn't Crow's character to go on and on about the technical aspects of the boat.  He was more the trouble maker than Servo.   Yes, Servo had his moments, but Crow wasn't that nerdy.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: SaucyRossy on November 05, 2007, 04:32:49 PM
The first episode....was horrible.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ambitiously stupid on November 05, 2007, 04:35:27 PM
I think It fulfilled every nightmare scenario that the forum envisioned.  :gouge:  Plus the store and the archives suck.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 05, 2007, 04:53:28 PM
Plus, that just wasn't Crow's character to go on and on about the technical aspects of the boat.  He was more the trouble maker than Servo.   Yes, Servo had his moments, but Crow wasn't that nerdy.

I dunno, kinda reminded me of the episode where he reviewed Servo.  I could imagine Bill snarking it up a bit.  Not that I'm taking up for that trash they called mst3k.  I guess what I'm saying is that I think it could possibly get better
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Tarantulas on November 05, 2007, 05:22:31 PM
Honestly, if this was a fan production, we'd all be totally riffing on it....
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 05, 2007, 05:24:00 PM
If this were a fan production, some love would have gone into it.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Tarantulas on November 05, 2007, 05:34:22 PM
Love did go into it.... the love of money.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 05, 2007, 06:11:18 PM
The day I can sit and watch something featuring Tom Servo and Crow and not laugh ONCE is indeed a sad day.  Can it improve?  I guess so.  In fact it'd be hard to get worse.  Dull is the word.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Puumagirl on November 05, 2007, 06:54:49 PM
I smiled when I watched because Tom Servo is still so cute. :)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: pyro on November 05, 2007, 07:06:49 PM
Honestly, if this was a fan production, we'd all be totally riffing on it....

Maybe this could be used for the return of CGI Mike?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AvestheFox on November 05, 2007, 07:15:27 PM
Okay, I seriously had to come out of the crypt to comment on this disappointment...

I heard about it from a friend, got hyped up, got my other friends hyped up.. and this morning when I got off from work, all sore and achey, I went directly to the site expecting a masterpiece

 :-\ >:( :grr: :'(

that says it all...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Rude on November 05, 2007, 07:24:16 PM
...

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6400/childcrying1tj9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

-Rude
Title: Stumbling and bumbling out of the starting gates!
Post by: a pretty girl is like on November 05, 2007, 07:24:32 PM
About the best thing I can say about the relaunched MST3K is at least they can't get any worse.  I hope I hope I hope.

Unfortunately, there's so many bad things to say about it.  Jim Mallon just knee-capped my soul.  My soul has been hobbled by  that horrible flash animation.   I really want to support this endeavour.  I want to support Jim and Paul Chaplin but that fake Tom Servo was just so execrable.  

I'm hoping the "legacy" material will truly be something from the BBI vaults that is worth seeing.  They've got my attention for now but it saddens me profusely to admit they'll lose that attention if this is the calibre of material we can expect on a weekly basis.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AvestheFox on November 05, 2007, 07:28:04 PM
Well, here's hoping that Cinematic Titanic will raise our spirits.

I'll go ahead and raise my glass in a favorable toast to Trace, Joel and Pehl
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 05, 2007, 07:33:21 PM
...

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6400/childcrying1tj9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

-Rude

Best way to sum it up, bar none.

Unfortunately from the look of it, the "legacy" material we'll be getting are just short clips from host segments.  Funny?  Of course!  Stuff we couldn't find on Youtube?  Nope!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 05, 2007, 07:35:28 PM
M'kay.. Where's the link to view this cartoon?? I'm Missing It Somewhere.. ???

Just go to www.mst3k.com, then hit the red button (Current Event).  Then you can share in all the brain-hurty that the rest of the board has gone through.   :P
Just saw 'It'..

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT??!! :gouge: :gouge:
Is THIS What MST3k has 'De-Evolved' Into?! ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AvestheFox on November 05, 2007, 07:37:15 PM
M'kay.. Where's the link to view this cartoon?? I'm Missing It Somewhere.. ???

Just go to www.mst3k.com, then hit the red button (Current Event).  Then you can share in all the brain-hurty that the rest of the board has gone through.   :P
Just saw 'It'..

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT??!! :gouge: :gouge:
Is THIS What MST3k has Evolved Into?! ??? ??? ???

evolved?

dont you mean devolved?

meh.. I'll still give these guys a chance.. but still.. dissapointing
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 05, 2007, 07:41:13 PM
Your Right.. De-Evolved.. (corrected)
I'll keep a watch on it 'hoping' it might 'evolve' ::)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gbeenie on November 05, 2007, 07:55:59 PM
...

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6400/childcrying1tj9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Aww... Don't cry, lil' Rudely; tomorrow is just around the corner.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Ortega on November 05, 2007, 09:15:21 PM
meh...just....meh.....

though its a bit early to write it off, I wasn't very impressed........i hope it gets better, but we all know how that can turn out......

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/anakin1.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/05-11-01_HaydenChristensen-01.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Moyer78 on November 05, 2007, 09:36:26 PM
I think Jim Mallon has pulled a "Lucas" on us. In short he's taken something we once loved and whored it out just to make some more money. I watched the cartoon, it's not funny at all IMO, and ended up being lamer than I had feared. I wonder if Trace Beaulieu/Bill Corbett (Crow) and Kevin Murphy (Servo) are mad at all that Jim has basically made a mockery of their once great and funny characters.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: eegah on November 05, 2007, 09:45:15 PM
...

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6400/childcrying1tj9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

-Rude

Best way to sum it up, bar none.


I like this one better  ;)
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/eegah/dawsoncrying.jpg)

The site's ok, but the bot "event" was not funny at all. The "events" either need to improve dramatically or that section should be removed altogether. And we certainly need to get some not-ever-seen-before videos in the video section.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: daltysmilth on November 05, 2007, 10:30:05 PM
I hope they put up a forum over there so they can get feedback from all of us old fans.  That's one of the things that makes Rifftax so great, that we have a place to voice our opinions, and make disparaging remarks about each other for no good reason.  Like that moron bettertomorrowamy. 



Just kidding! 



Or am I?  Vwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Erichw5 on November 05, 2007, 10:49:46 PM
man! what fan did that cartoon not offend? i have never felt so betrayed since sara died on prison break
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 05, 2007, 11:00:01 PM
man! what fan did that cartoon not offend? i have never felt so betrayed since sara died on prison break

sara died on prison break? wtf ... glad I gave up on that show after the end of the first season. That show never had much of a moral center which cause me to lose connection with the heroes. In general they killed several innocent bystanders for personal gain, then went off on a treasure hunt. Stupid show, that prison break.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Erichw5 on November 05, 2007, 11:04:10 PM
yeah they put her head in a box thanks for flipping your fans the bird
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: YoohooRiffer on November 05, 2007, 11:06:54 PM
Alright, alright.  I think we're all being a little too harsh.  I'm sorry but even though I can't get it to work properly on my computer I don't see how we can say it's "SO HORRIBLE, GOUGE MY EYES!."
Yes it's different, get used to it.  MST3K the show was over awhile ago and it looked like it wouldn't resurface in any form until now.  We can't judge this brief little animation by the standards of Mystery Science Theater 3000 the TV show.  I thought the short was cute and it seemed like an odd host segment that Crow and Tom would have taken a part in.  If you remember the Satellite has had stranger things than a lake, I recall a pig farm, and some buffalo herds, etc.  As far as continuity goes, yes it might nice to know when, if at all, this is taking place relative to the the show, but like I said we can't compare this to the show.  It's just a small little short featuring our favorite 'bots. 
I think many people's opinions have been clouded by their dislike for Jim.  But you know what he's always been a part of MST3K and will be in any reincarnation of it in the future, so suck it up.  I don't think we should discredit the name of MST3K just because a certain owner has done bad things.  The new MST3K.com website is just a small little site that gives you nostalgia of a certain puppet show along with minor animations to help keep the characters alive.  As time goes by I bet the site will have more and will improve, i just think we all have to give it a little more credit.  I like MST3K, and I don't think this website is disgracing or terrible at all.  It's nice to see the 'Bots again, in any form.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 05, 2007, 11:13:49 PM
well, can we at least ALL agree that the mst3k.com online store is a complete and utter slap in the face? .... I mean come on they totally trampled on one of the most iconic logos of my lifetime by replacing it with a cartoony version that has mst3k.com plastered all over the merchandise ... who the hell would pay to advertise for that crappy (some would say mediocre ;) ) site?

(http://www.mst3k.com/store/images/P/MST3K_beanie_web.png)
(http://www.mst3k.com/store/images/P/MST3K_planet_tshirt_web.png)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Erichw5 on November 05, 2007, 11:16:15 PM
look i was the most optimistic about this site before it came on. the earlier posts can tell you that. but those are not our bots. i miss mst3k but not enough to justify that worthless animation! we as fans never allowed comedy central to screw with our show what makes them think we are going to let this slide.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: YoohooRiffer on November 05, 2007, 11:24:56 PM
...but those are not our bots.

How can you decide already?  Seriously, one animation and the some pictures and you've already decided that it has betrayed you.  Why?  Because they look different?  They're in flash form.  Altered slightly but they still look like Tom and Crow.  You can tell who is who.  Is it because they have different voices?  Well both Tom and Crow went through vocal changes in the show when different actors portrayed them.  Because it was an odd short?  Yes I agree but it doesn't seem to far fetched for the characters.  I really don't see what everyone is harping on...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 05, 2007, 11:31:53 PM
yeah, but why does the online store have to be based on the ".com"?

Also, good luck making any money off of the DVD sets... DeepDiscount carries mst3k sets at roughly half the price (after the 20% discount sale starting this Friday)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Moyer78 on November 06, 2007, 12:10:40 AM
...but those are not our bots.

How can you decide already?  Seriously, one animation and the some pictures and you've already decided that it has betrayed you.  Why?  Because they look different?  They're in flash form.  Altered slightly but they still look like Tom and Crow.  You can tell who is who.  Is it because they have different voices?  Well both Tom and Crow went through vocal changes in the show when different actors portrayed them.  Because it was an odd short?  Yes I agree but it doesn't seem to far fetched for the characters.  I really don't see what everyone is harping on...

That Jim Mallon is making crappy flash cartoons just to sell some merchandise of our beloved show that ended over 8 years ago. If any other of the original writers or actors besides Paul Chaplin where involved in this, I might view it differently. But as it is this just reeks of trying to make a quick buck of off nostalgia and other peoples hard work.
         Mallon did directed a lot of the MST3K episodes, but I feel that it the writers and actors that made that show so memorable. So when I hear somebody else's voice come out of Tom Servo in an unfunny flash cartoon that I know is only being used to sell me merchandise, a little part of me dies inside.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Moyer78 on November 06, 2007, 12:37:33 AM
(http://www.mst3k.com/store/images/P/MST3K_beanie_web.png)

Seriously, they expect people to buy and wear that? This just keeps getting worse.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 06, 2007, 02:12:07 AM
I...umm...kinda like the cartoony look.  Do I deserve to be shot?

You are right.   They are not "our" bots.  It's mst3k 2.0.   ;)  You can't expect mst3k.   It's the next version.  As Yoohoo said, perhaps a wee bit too harsh.  If the writing picks up and the animation actually gets funny at some point, I think it'd be an enjoyable way to remember Servo and Crow.  The writing sucked but I've rarely read a webcomic or seen a flash cartoon where I liked the first episode.

I wouldn't buy the corny hat or the corny t-shirt but heck, I never wear my rifftrax shirt either. I'm not a big fan of advertising on my boobs.  I like people to look at them for their own merits.  I would buy something else with cartoon Tom and Crow though.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bratpop on November 06, 2007, 04:12:52 AM
Wow, I laughed SO HARD at this cartoon! Wait, did I say so hard? I meant NOT AT ALL. It's almost like they're trying to make something so bad that you can riff on it. Except it's so bad that you CAN'T. Maybe next week (whenever) they'll riff on this week's cartoon. Nah.

This reminds me of dreams I've had that MST3k is back on the air only now it sucks. At least I think I've had dreams like that. Now that I've seen MST3k 2.0 it's how I remember them.

Really, the way to get GEEKS excited - and let's face it anyone who'd watch a Tom & Crow flash cartoon is a geek - is with a good mythology. So to not start with a tongue-in-cheek, nudge nudge, wink wink, nod to the ending of the series with some reference to what ever happened to that human guy who used to stand around and smell weird is just baffling.

And I mean, to not even go the obvious non-riff route and have Tom & Crow on adventures that were PARODIES of movies? Unless this was their biting satire of On Golden Pond, they missed the... boat! Haha! Yes I do find that funnier than the cartoon.

I don't mind the site design apart from the idiotic screen resolution, but you'd think since they basically own Joel ROBINSON and Mike Nelson (the character) that they'd have put one of them there in the menu animation.

It says a lot that the most exciting thing about this was hearing a nonsensical unfunny punchline spoken by the original Gypsy.

Quote
Alright, alright.  I think we're all being a little too harsh.
Yeah well I think you and Jar-Jar should go to Hell! Just go straight to Hell! ...Okay, just kidding.

Quote
We can't judge this brief little animation by the standards of Mystery Science Theater 3000 the TV show.
I'm not! I'm judging it calmly, and fairly... by the standards of everything good and decent in the history of the world!

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But you know what he's always been a part of MST3K and will be in any reincarnation of it in the future, so suck it up.
Okay, fair enough. In polite response, I request Jim Mallon to suck it up. Suck all of it up, Jim Mallon! Yeah that's right! And then smootch my pasty white butt!

Speaking of cartoons, whatever happened to Mike's LOTR parody? That thing was great. I'm still waiting for the rest of it. First that, now the real movies are incomplete. Mike Nelson, you are a cruel mistress. But then, that's what I pay you for.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 06, 2007, 05:12:39 AM
I...umm...kinda like the cartoony look.  Do I deserve to be shot?
How Bout a 'Gentle' Reality Check..
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/slap.jpg)

I'm not a big fan of advertising on my boobs.  I like people to look at them for their own merits.

Well.. Merit + Advertising Helps Me make My Purchases.. :P ::)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 06, 2007, 05:33:38 AM
I do not believe I'm being overly harsh when I say that cartoon made me want to weep.  I was not going to put it up to MST3K's old standards, hell I was expecting something bad to start with that would hopefully improve over time.  What I got was worse than anything I expected.  So an entire cartoon building up to a gag of Crow falling off his boat after building it up.  Great.  Saw it coming in like three seconds and there was pretty much no payoff.  The performances were wooden, everyone just sounded like they were reading.  No explanation of when it is, why they're on the satellite, why there is a lake there suddenly.  No real jokes to be found at all.  It seemed like something that would be thrown together for an art class an hour before it had to be handed in.

I can't say it won't get better, all I can say is this cartoon sucked more than all the Kirby vacuum cleaners in the world combined.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: SaucyRossy on November 06, 2007, 06:23:31 AM
I'm not a big fan of advertising on my boobs.  I like people to look at them for their own merits.  I would buy something else with cartoon Tom and Crow though.

This made me laugh and smile creepily.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: James of LinHood on November 06, 2007, 06:34:15 AM
I think Jim Mallon has pulled a "Lucas" on us. In short he's taken something we once loved and whored it out just to make some more money.

Just wait.  The next episode will involve a pod race between Tom and Crow.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: David on November 06, 2007, 06:51:18 AM
I think Jim Mallon has pulled a "Lucas" on us. In short he's taken something we once loved and whored it out just to make some more money.

Just wait.  The next episode will involve a pod race between Tom and Crow.

Will the speed be measured in scale miles an hour?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on November 06, 2007, 06:51:52 AM
Sorry, I guess I'm just not a fan of  "web comics" or "web cartoons". It's a crappy little site, with crappy content. If it weren't for the fact that it has a killer domain name, I'd be able to take comfort in the fact that no one would probably ever see it. Can you imagine if you had never seen the original show and got exposed to THAT as your introduction?

ps Amanda has fantastic merits  ;)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Darth Geek on November 06, 2007, 07:10:22 AM
Uh.. the bots are NOT back... what the $*@% was that?

The animation style sucks, the voices are different, all that I can get over. But for it not to be funny? AT ALL? This kind of a project is all about the writing, and I would have expected better from Paul (as far as I know, the only original writer to be involved in this). There was something funny about seeing Tom so far in the  distance like that. Maybe I was just grasping at straws to find anything to laugh at.

That having been said, does anybody remember the host segment where Crow had a roadsite vegetable stand, and Tom ran him down with his car? At least that had some personality, but it was kind of similar.

Also, I want merchandise with the traditional logo and bots on it. Why did they change the LOGO? It's not like there is a copywrite issue, that was the whole point of this crap!

And I WANT CROW AND TOM TOYS!!!!! Good ones, too. I can't believe that Sideshow or one of the others haven't snatched up the rights to make them years ago.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 08:18:13 AM
Uh.. the bots are NOT back... what the $*@% was that?

The animation style sucks, the voices are different, all that I can get over. But for it not to be funny? AT ALL? This kind of a project is all about the writing, and I would have expected better from Paul (as far as I know, the only original writer to be involved in this). There was something funny about seeing Tom so far in the  distance like that. Maybe I was just grasping at straws to find anything to laugh at.

That having been said, does anybody remember the host segment where Crow had a roadsite vegetable stand, and Tom ran him down with his car? At least that had some personality, but it was kind of similar.

Also, I want merchandise with the traditional logo and bots on it. Why did they change the LOGO? It's not like there is a copywrite issue, that was the whole point of this crap!

And I WANT CROW AND TOM TOYS!!!!! Good ones, too. I can't believe that Sideshow or one of the others haven't snatched up the rights to make them years ago.

Ditto 10x over
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 08:19:50 AM
(http://www.mst3k.com/store/images/P/MST3K_beanie_web.png)

Seriously, they expect people to buy and wear that? This just keeps getting worse.


It looks like a tomb stone.
How appropriate
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 06, 2007, 08:24:12 AM
It looks like a tomb stone.
How appropriate
:D :D :D
 :clap: :clap: :clap:
PERFECT!!!
Title: It's a brand issue for me...
Post by: a pretty girl is like on November 06, 2007, 08:40:44 AM
Coke is Coke is Coke is Coke.  People all over the world have a standard for what Coca Cola should be.  The MST3K brand is known for being one of the wittiest and laugh out loud funny shows of all time.  Capitalizing on this brand with this so far inferior product reeks of the worst kind of commercialism.  I feel doubly bad that the decision to go with this project also probably involved the more and more apparent rifts between the various Brain camps.

I've always trusted Jim Mallon with the MST3K name.  I've bought the Satellite News merchandise.  I've bought the Rhino tapes, individual dvds, and dvd sets.  I've always thought Jim Mallon has tried to do his best by us even if I've also thought that he could have been doing more.  I've been grateful for what he has been doing so far.

I haven't written this project off completely.  However, the lustre shines a little less because of this.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 08:44:06 AM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/IG400/MST3K_tomb.jpg)

there, that's better
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 06, 2007, 08:51:46 AM
I...umm...kinda like the cartoony look.  Do I deserve to be shot?

I like it, too.  Crow's new image could use a little bit of tweaking, in my opinion, but I thought the models weren't quite as bad as "desecration of a corpse" or anything dramatic like that.  But there always is room for improvement.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 06, 2007, 09:01:07 AM
A 'LOT' of Improvement!! :gouge: :gouge:
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: skenderberg on November 06, 2007, 09:42:56 AM
I...umm...kinda like the cartoony look.  Do I deserve to be shot?

I like it, too.  Crow's new image could use a little bit of tweaking, in my opinion, but I thought the models weren't quite as bad as "desecration of a corpse" or anything dramatic like that.  But there always is room for improvement.

Yeah, I don't really mind the new look.  With Flash, you're not going to get much better, and remember, the original 'Bots were mostly just hotglued sporting equipment anyway.  I don't really mind the new voices either.  We all knew they Tom and Crow were going to be different, and I thought the voice acting was at least adequate.  It's a new product, with new talent, and a new look.  There's just no way to turn back the clock and make it "like it used to be," and I don't think it's fair to condemn the whole thing just for that.  We need to be judging this on its own terms, not comparing it to the original series.

Unfortunately, it sucks on its own terms, and sucks big-time.  That has got to be one of the most boring, most pointless little cartoons I have ever seen.  Would anyone laugh at a stand-up whose act consisted almost solely of reciting a kayak brochure?  Why did they think we'd laugh if a robot did it?

Also: I had no idea there was a store attached to the site until someone earlier in this thread mentioned the site's resolution requirements.  I had to adjust my monitor accordingly and go back.  Now there's a major design flaw for you.

Also, also: Isn't the point of this site to make money?  Aren't just about all of their potential customers fans of the original show?  Why would you open a store with images from that show emblazoned on exactly 0% of the non-DVD merchandise?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Pak-Man on November 06, 2007, 09:55:33 AM
I don't mind the site design apart from the idiotic screen resolution, but you'd think since they basically own Joel ROBINSON and Mike Nelson (the character) that they'd have put one of them there in the menu animation.

Do you REALLY want them to get their hands on Joel and Mike? Let's see 'em earn Tom and Crow first.

Yeah I'm not ready to grab the torches and storm Best Brains just yet, but the cartoon was wholy unremarkable. First off, we need some characterization. I know we got to know the Bots through MST3K, but this is obviously a new take on the bots and we need to know who they are and what they're doing and what their motivations are before we see them on a Kayaking trip. Is there a premise? The cartoon could use a premise. Perhaps if we pick an antagonist for our heroes.

So, to recap, we have a cartoon with no characterization, no conflict, no premise, no motivations. Not an uncommon thing on the Internet, but not a good direction to take the bots.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 06, 2007, 10:08:39 AM
I found a use for the stick-it notes  :D

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t36/ohiostatewinsitall/notepad.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 10:16:51 AM
I found a use for the stick-it notes  :D

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t36/ohiostatewinsitall/notepad.jpg)


awsome  :clap:

although you could have left some room for the rest of us to sign
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 06, 2007, 10:18:37 AM
I loved your tomb hat as well

... let the riffing begin!!!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: SaucyRossy on November 06, 2007, 10:59:39 AM
I never said the animation was bad.....i don't mind it. It's a bit basic but thats ok. It's just plain not funny. I dunno I'll give it another chance but only ONE MORE CHANCE!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 11:08:00 AM
the voices were the biggest turn off for me.

It reminds me of way back when Josh "J. Elvis" Weinstein did the voice of Tom Servo.  Bleghhh!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: NormalView on November 06, 2007, 11:49:50 AM
Just a heads up - the geekdom blog geekanerd has a roundup of the three different MST camps now in action, and a review of the "Bots Are Back" short:

http://geekanerd.blogspot.com

YOWP. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 12:00:14 PM
"Half Assed"

my words exactly
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on November 06, 2007, 12:13:34 PM
It reminds me of way back when Josh "J. Elvis" Weinstein did the voice of Tom Servo. 
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 12:20:50 PM
It reminds me of way back when Josh "J. Elvis" Weinstein did the voice of Tom Servo. 
Not that there's anything wrong with that...

with Josh "J. Elvis" Weinstein himself, no.  He helped create mst3k and he has my full respect for that. Even as TV's Larry he had sort of a charming cuteness I consider to be somewhat on par with Frank Conniff's TV's Frank

but in my opinion and I'm pretty sure the opinion of the majority all mysties out there, his voice work for Tom Servo was god awful.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Tarantulas on November 06, 2007, 12:23:25 PM
Just when you think it couldn't get any worse, here comes episode 2....

http://www.mst3k.com/episodes/MST3K_A102.flv

Google "FLV PLAYER" to watch it locally...

Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: hare.29 on November 06, 2007, 12:34:46 PM
Well, at least it plays smoothly when it's run locally. Marginally better than the first toon, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: pyro on November 06, 2007, 12:42:00 PM
Quicktime played it fine even though I may have a plug in I forgot about...


Seemed like the material was there but Servo's new voice killed it....  he sounds way too much like an average guy, which the bots never sounded like to me
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on November 06, 2007, 12:43:50 PM
but in my opinion and I'm pretty sure the opinion of the majority all mysties out there, his voice work for Tom Servo was god awful.

I actually quite like Josh's Servo.  It's completely different from Kevin's (of course), but he had his own type of funny, I especially liked him in The Crawling Hand.  

But back on topic....

These cartoons are simply not that good, and I really have no reason to pay much attention to them.  I liked MST3K because they riffed on movies, and that's what I'm getting here at Rifftrax.  The bots coming back, in cartoon form, for short little skits, does nothing for me.

It's like saying if you liked the show Friends, then you have to like the spin-off series Joey.  I mean, it has one of the same characters from the original show!  How could you not like it?  

Me going back to MST3K.com for any reason seems unlikely.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 12:46:18 PM
Just when you think it couldn't get any worse, here comes episode 2....

http://www.mst3k.com/episodes/MST3K_A102.flv

Google "FLV PLAYER" to watch it locally...



Had to download a new player to play it (having trouble with mac compat.)

Ugh. I think the last line speaks for the series as a whole
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: dignan on November 06, 2007, 12:48:01 PM
Well, I wasn't a huge fan of the cartoon, although I'm not going to come out and be vehemently against it at this point.  And, the videos section is nice if a little randomly organized at the moment.  Always nice to see the filming of Earth vs. Soup.  "Judy, what are we doing?!"
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: MarkAndrew on November 06, 2007, 12:54:39 PM
Ok, I just watched the first cartoon...
  And that was some of the most Amateurish voice work I've ever seen!  I've seen stuff on YouTube with more class!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: MarkAndrew on November 06, 2007, 12:56:37 PM
You know what, I'm still pissed off.  :grr:

They should hire Josh Way, at least he can do the voice work and make it sound professional.   And I'm sure, SURE there are at least a dozen fellow forum monkeys that could do a better job on voices that what I just watched!!!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Erichw5 on November 06, 2007, 12:59:20 PM
Well at least the vault videos on the site help demenstration how poor the webisodes humor is.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 06, 2007, 01:05:32 PM
You know what, I'm still pissed off.  :grr:

They should hire Josh Way, at least he can do the voice work and make it sound professional.   And I'm sure, SURE there are at least a dozen fellow forum monkeys that could do a better job on voices that what I just watched!!!
:D :D
I Think bettertomorrowamy could've done 10x better making it with His (.gif) software for avatars & signatures!!  :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Jonny Jit on November 06, 2007, 01:22:42 PM
I'm late to the party, but that was not funny.  The store is quite barren too.

At least it was everything I expected it to be.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on November 06, 2007, 01:59:36 PM
For everyone who says that this shouldn't be compared to the original-

It absolutely should be.  It's using the same name and characters.  If Jim and Paul were doing something completely new together that wasn't mst3k related then your argument would be justified.  But they aren't.  Even if you take comparisons to the original out, this still sucked.  And if you compare it to the original it SUUUCKKED.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: FordPrefect on November 06, 2007, 01:59:57 PM
Well I'm definitely not going to say I was overly impressed with the first short, but I don't hate it considering what it is. It's basically like a mediocre host segment (like so many the show did over the years) that's animated and has different voice talent. Honestly I think that if Jim hadn't made such a big deal out of it and just sort of quietly added the shorts there wouldn't be such a backlash. Most fans seem to be blaming Jim entirely for the short even though Paul is clearly given writing credit. I thought it was kinda nice to hear the "real" gypsy at the end after having to get used to the new bot voices. (Even if Paul is one of them.) The Gypsy cameo didn't give me a big rush of excitement or anything, but it was nice. As for Crow, even though he looks and sounds different, Paul wrote for him for eight seasons on the show, so it's not as if he's just coming out of left field with this. I'm not entirely surprised with the subject material either because Paul is a big sports/outdoor fan from what I've read about him. I didn't think that Paul was exceptional but Trace and Bill didn't master Crow in a day. In a weird way it almost makes sense that Paul would take over, not only because he was the only regular writer without a regular on-screen character, but because there's a gag about Crow's voice changing every seven years.

The site has lots of bugs that are going to need fixing if they want more people to visit. It's nice that Jim finally put up an online store (welcome to the 21st century Jim) but aside from the DVDs, there's not really anything that great there. The "legacy" merchandise is currently MIA and there's just new stuff related to the new site. I think Jim is putting a little to much trust in the new stuff when he could be releasing more legacy stuff that has a proven track record.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on November 06, 2007, 02:16:59 PM
http://andrewdickman.deviantart.com/art/Send-em-the-movie-Frank-32976370 (http://andrewdickman.deviantart.com/art/Send-em-the-movie-Frank-32976370)

Art more like this may have helped as well.

*Edit* In fact, typing in "Crow T Robot" into the main DeviantArt search bar will turn up a fair amount of decent pictures. Any of them better than the "Official" one.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: MarkAndrew on November 06, 2007, 02:23:19 PM
http://andrewdickman.deviantart.com/art/Send-em-the-movie-Frank-32976370 (http://andrewdickman.deviantart.com/art/Send-em-the-movie-Frank-32976370)

Art more like this may have helped as well.

*Edit* In fact, typing in "Crow T Robot" into the main DeviantArt search bar will turn up a fair amount of decent pictures. Any of them better than the "Official" one.

Sweet lion of Zion!

That's awesome art.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 06, 2007, 02:25:59 PM
http://andrewdickman.deviantart.com/art/Send-em-the-movie-Frank-32976370 (http://andrewdickman.deviantart.com/art/Send-em-the-movie-Frank-32976370)

Art more like this may have helped as well.

*Edit* In fact, typing in "Crow T Robot" into the main DeviantArt search bar will turn up a fair amount of decent pictures. Any of them better than the "Official" one.

Wow, it's like...real cartoon art!  Amazing!

I mean I could crap in a box and call it better art than what's on the official site, but that stuff is awesome.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 06, 2007, 02:56:27 PM
http://andrewdickman.deviantart.com/art/Send-em-the-movie-Frank-32976370 (http://andrewdickman.deviantart.com/art/Send-em-the-movie-Frank-32976370)

Art more like this may have helped as well.

*Edit* In fact, typing in "Crow T Robot" into the main DeviantArt search bar will turn up a fair amount of decent pictures. Any of them better than the "Official" one.

Although I like the animations how they are now (like the style, what can I say?), I must say, AWD is an excellent artist, and I agree that the animations would be a hell of a lot more successful if they commissioned him to do the artwork/animating.  The picture you have linked there is one of my favorite pieces of MST3k fanart in general.  And I must say, AWD makes a great Torgo, costume-wise.

On the other hand, the writing would still drag down the quality of the animations.  I mean, look at George Clooney.  He's a good actor, but he couldn't save Batman and Robin.  It's kind of like what they said in the movie Ed Wood:

George Weiss: Eddie, you must have me confused with David Selznick.  I don't make major motion pictures.  I make crap.
Edward D. Wood, Jr.: Yeah, but if you took that crap and put a star in it, you'd have something!
George Weiss: Yeah.  Crap with a star.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on November 06, 2007, 03:12:27 PM
I guess  I'm a staunch enough fan of the old MST3K that I can watch these as well.  But  all I can muster is a good solid 'meh' ...   Not as bad as say, Clutch Cargo, but not as good as Attack of the Killer Tomatoes (the saturday morning cartoon).....   
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bairman on November 06, 2007, 03:15:50 PM
Holy crap... I couldn't watch more than 15 seconds of that.  And whoever the webmaster is needs to realize that not everyone uses the same screen resolution as they do.  Who the hell green-lighted that POS?

Maybe Mallon should've used the name Cinematic Titanic... 'cause that site's gonna sink fast.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Moyer78 on November 06, 2007, 04:29:33 PM
Okay, I've seen both cartoons. They are both morbidly unfunny. If I was Kevin, Bill, or Trace I would be super pissed right now at what they are doing to those characters.

I have no problem with the look or animation. MST3K was endearing because it almost always had that "put together in two hours from spare parts" look to it. But it was great because of the writing, and so far as I can tell these animations are seriously lacking in anything I would call funny.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 05:29:26 PM
I'm late to the party, but that was not funny.  The store is quite barren too.

At least it was everything I expected it to be.

zing-a-roo :clap:
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: LadyKenobi on November 06, 2007, 05:30:53 PM
Quote
http://andrewdickman.deviantart.com/art/Send-em-the-movie-Frank-32976370

It was indeed sweet.  I could almost hear Mike and Joel start to talk-- there was a great deal of life to the art.

Anybody know what that thing coming out of Servo's head is?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 05:35:25 PM
A Turkish fes i'm guessing
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: GregMcduck on November 06, 2007, 05:47:29 PM
In the first cartoon, it was like "Hmm, ok, that wasn't very funny."

In the second cartoon, it was like "HOLY SHIT THAT WAS BAD AS FUCK."
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 06, 2007, 06:11:22 PM
Yeah, I wasn't particularly impressed with the first effort, but I'm going to give them a bit of time.  If Trace or Bill had voiced Crow in that cartoon, I think it would've been funnier.  And as for the "original" voice of Gypsy being a part of the cartoon, isn't that a bit like saying the Beatles have come back, but Ringo is the only original member?   :)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on November 06, 2007, 06:18:08 PM
...as for the "original" voice of Gypsy being a part of the cartoon, isn't that a bit like saying the Beatles have come back, but Ringo is the only original member?   :)

That line alone was funnier then both of the cartoons.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: eegah on November 06, 2007, 06:21:46 PM
In the first cartoon, it was like "Hmm, ok, that wasn't very funny."

In the second cartoon, it was like "HOLY SHIT THAT WAS BAD AS FUCK."

Hmm...I can't see the second cartoon. Should I be upset? I'm guessing no.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Junkyard on November 06, 2007, 06:29:32 PM
All I've seen is the first episode...

Wow. That.... hurt. A lot. Animation offers them an infinity of possibilities with the previously unarticulated robots, and this is what we get? Shit.
Not -Really- Crow talking about a boat, with the audience figuring out the punchline within ten seconds of the start of the cartoon, and only assuming they'll switch it up and deliver a funny and unexpected punchline when we really get there, and them delivering the exact punchline we were expecting sinse the begining, 2 MINUTES LATE! And then it just peters out.

Guys, stop milking it, you're just drawing blood and pus at this point.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ambitiously stupid on November 06, 2007, 06:58:25 PM
In the first cartoon, it was like "Hmm, ok, that wasn't very funny."

In the second cartoon, it was like "HOLY SHIT THAT WAS BAD AS FUCK."

Hmm...I can't see the second cartoon. Should I be upset? I'm guessing no.

Where is the 2nd cartoon?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on November 06, 2007, 07:07:48 PM

Where is the 2nd cartoon?

www.mst3k.com/episodes

You may have to download a player to watch it.  It hasn't been uploaded to the main site yet. 

Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on November 06, 2007, 07:09:51 PM
The theme seems to be a 3 minute long joke that isn't funny.   Way to take what doesn't work and run with it.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ambitiously stupid on November 06, 2007, 07:22:00 PM

Where is the 2nd cartoon?

www.mst3k.com/episodes

You may have to download a player to watch it.  It hasn't been uploaded to the main site yet. 


Thanks,  you guys are amazing!  How did you find that? (Don't really tell me, I wouldn't understand anyway)  My review of this one "It wasn't funny to me to begin with, and it certainly hasn't gotten any more funny as you continued speaking."   This is like some kind of weird alternate universe somewhere in time and space, where the riffers have become the riffed.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 07:48:36 PM
...as for the "original" voice of Gypsy being a part of the cartoon, isn't that a bit like saying the Beatles have come back, but Ringo is the only original member?   :)

That line alone was funnier then both of the cartoons.


I think that line sums up the entire endevor

that's like saying that Ringo star era Shining Time Station was as good as the Beatles
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: pyro on November 06, 2007, 08:22:50 PM
I had no idea when I was little that the little talking people were the drummer from the Beatles and a guy who got famous by saying fuck, shit, cunt, etc....
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: shaffejd on November 06, 2007, 08:26:22 PM
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel sorry for Paul???
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 08:26:54 PM
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel sorry for Paul???

How so?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 06, 2007, 08:28:39 PM
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel sorry for Paul???

yeah, that Heather seems to be a real bitch.
(http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/2/9/8/7/15527892-15527895-slarge.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Tarantulas on November 06, 2007, 08:29:38 PM
I feel sorry for Paul for selling out.... 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 08:32:05 PM
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel sorry for Paul???

yeah, that Heather seems to be a real bitch.
(http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/2/9/8/7/15527892-15527895-slarge.jpg)

Did he get the kid in the divorce?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 06, 2007, 08:33:15 PM
She's an Evil ...
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/Succubus.jpg)
Succubus!!! >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 08:34:33 PM
She's an Evil ...
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/Succubus.jpg)
Succubus!!! >:D >:D >:D
Minus a leg  ;D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 06, 2007, 08:38:39 PM
Minus a leg  ;D

Bet that makes any games of Twister that she plays a lot of fun.

... I hereby give everybody on this forum permission to hit me for that one.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: pyro on November 06, 2007, 08:39:48 PM
she's the worst kind of music pirate....
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 06, 2007, 08:41:07 PM
Minus a leg  ;D

Bet that makes any games of Twister that she plays a lot of fun.

... I hereby give everybody on this forum permission to hit me for that one.
OK... Here ya go...
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/slap.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 06, 2007, 08:46:00 PM
she's the worst kind of music pirate....

That is funny!!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on November 06, 2007, 09:16:05 PM
Here's a thought. Are the Rifftrax DIY kits still available? And wasn't one of the selling features that you could use them with any video? Hmmmm...??

Just sayin'....
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: eegah on November 06, 2007, 10:00:29 PM
In the first cartoon, it was like "Hmm, ok, that wasn't very funny."

In the second cartoon, it was like "HOLY SHIT THAT WAS BAD AS FUCK."

Hmm...I can't see the second cartoon. Should I be upset? I'm guessing no.

Where is the 2nd cartoon?

www.mst3k.com/episodes

You may have to download a player to watch it.  It hasn't been uploaded to the main site yet. 


I guessed right.  >:(
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 06, 2007, 11:26:30 PM
Wow.... uhm.... so far, both of those videos are as eventful as watching someone eat breakfast.

I really want to give Jim/Paul a chance (even after watching those)... I guess maybe have mini-plots to your "adventures" instead of just us watching boring sorta-conversations that have no entertainment value whatsoever

...or better yet, beef up the store with actual MST3k stuff, and lots of it...

....and I think Paul is much more suited vocally for Servo than Crow.

But who am I to be critical? Just a fan.   :-X
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on November 06, 2007, 11:58:22 PM
I'm late to the party, but that was not funny.  The store is quite barren too.

At least it was everything I expected it to be.
zing-a-roo :clap:
That too.  I was hoping that iff they weren't going to post all the stuff from the Sattelite News , that they could've at least kept that site's store up and running.   I WAS going to buy a bunch of T-shirts this month, (the 'Property of Deep 13 Athletic Dept.', as well as the Crow 'You Know You Want Me Baby!' shirt, and the Gypsy and Tom shirts from 'Monster A Go Go')  Ugh... What a pain!!!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: WereSquirrel on November 07, 2007, 03:09:26 AM
I think Crow's line after watching Pearl and Observer's attempt at comedy at the beginning of Final Justic sums up my feelings.

I mostly feel sad, and achey.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 07, 2007, 03:14:09 AM
If you had a info club brochure laying around somewhere with an order form and you sent BBI a check, I bet they wouldn't send your money back. . . if you really want shirts.

You know they still have all of that laying around.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Doctor Manhattan on November 07, 2007, 05:18:45 AM
I have LOVED (not just liked) everything MST3k up to this point.

I never got involved in any Joel vs. Mike or Trace Vs. Bill B.S. because I have just loved just about everything I have seen. I loved the early episodes with Josh as Servo (At least the ones I have seen, I became a fan after Kevin took over) I enjoyed it just as much when Joel left, I was still very happy with the show when they moved to Sci-Fi and we met Prof. Bobo and Observer

But this is just not good. But because of my love of MST3k I will give them a chance to find themselves. ;)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ColinBlair on November 07, 2007, 05:26:19 AM
That too.  I was hoping that iff they weren't going to post all the stuff from the Sattelite News , that they could've at least kept that site's store up and running.   I WAS going to buy a bunch of T-shirts this month, (the 'Property of Deep 13 Athletic Dept.', as well as the Crow 'You Know You Want Me Baby!' shirt, and the Gypsy and Tom shirts from 'Monster A Go Go')  Ugh... What a pain!!!

The official URL of the Satellite News has always been www.mst3kinfo.com, it is still up.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: doggans on November 07, 2007, 06:03:40 AM
The site's still up, but the catalog is not.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on November 07, 2007, 06:28:06 AM
Way to take what doesn't work and run with it.
lmao...  :D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gammer on November 07, 2007, 06:41:36 AM
Way to take what doesn't work and run with it.
lmao...  :D

I forgot to check the 'new' site out on the 5th...I just checked it now.

Wow...that is depressing.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Auraveda on November 07, 2007, 11:27:30 AM
Oh yeah... who would design the site to only work at like 1280x1024 resolution?

....some totally amature hack, that's who!

Yeah... one of the (few) good things about doing a site completely in flash is that you can make it resizable, so that no matter large or small your resolution is the site expands or shrinks to fill the window width.  Making the flash not resize AND disabling scrolling is just dumb as hell.  I'd get fired if I did something like that.

Also, one minor quibble with the site navigation.  I kept trying to click the button labels rather than the buttons.  I know, I've seen the show before, the big light up part is the button. But years of using every other site on the internet has taught me to click on words, especially if they're inside a little box.  If I was coding the site I would have made both the label and the light part of the button. 

The blocky character design is cute.

The kayak cartoon was... not funny.  At all.  I didn't even smile.  Hopefully it'll improve with time.

Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Brak on November 07, 2007, 12:23:37 PM
Hopefully it'll improve with time.

Pippin: Is there any hope, Gandalf, for [Jim and www.mst3k.com]?
Gandalf: There never was much hope. Just a fool's hope.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on November 07, 2007, 12:53:30 PM
How about this.

(http://i21.tinypic.com/2cpuy6g.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Kzinistzerg on November 07, 2007, 01:36:48 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

NOOO!

ZOMMBIEEEE!

*blam*

*thump*

Well there goes the bot cartoon.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2007, 01:37:40 PM
How about this.

(http://i21.tinypic.com/2cpuy6g.jpg)

Now That's Hilarious!! :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 07, 2007, 01:57:48 PM
The site's still up, but the catalog is not.

Yes it is, it's a link on the bottom left of the screen.  You probably have to adjust your screen resolution so it'll fit, that's what most of the world has to do apparently.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: David on November 07, 2007, 02:09:13 PM
The site's still up, but the catalog is not.

Yes it is, it's a link on the bottom left of the screen.  You probably have to adjust your screen resolution so it'll fit, that's what most of the world has to do apparently.

I think they were talking about the mst3kinfo.com catalog, which had all the good swag.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 07, 2007, 02:12:02 PM
The site's still up, but the catalog is not.

Yes it is, it's a link on the bottom left of the screen.  You probably have to adjust your screen resolution so it'll fit, that's what most of the world has to do apparently.

I think they were talking about the mst3kinfo.com catalog, which had all the good swag.

Ahh, never mind then.  If that catalog is gone and the good swag buried I may really have to hunt down Mallon.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 07, 2007, 02:31:42 PM
I think the second cartoon is a review of both cartoons. "It wasn't funny to begin with and certainly hasn't gotten funny as you've continued speaking."

It seems they fixed the screen resolution issue.  That's something.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on November 07, 2007, 02:42:10 PM
Minus a leg  ;D

Bet that makes any games of Twister that she plays a lot of fun.

... I hereby give everybody on this forum permission to hit me for that one.
OK... Here ya go...
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/slap.jpg)

************************************************************************************************
Hey, quit stealing my face slap photo!    :D

Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on August 23, 2007, 02:36:52 PM
I know that but when the lead is 27 points...


POINTS?!?!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/slap.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2007, 02:44:12 PM
Yeah.. Sorry bout that.. It Is a Classic Shot though..
I didn't have time to search the Thousands of images when I just came across yours and.. *SMACK!!*
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on November 07, 2007, 02:46:04 PM
Yeah.. Sorry bout that.. It Is a Classic Shot though..
I didn't have time to search the Thousands of images when I just came across yours and.. *SMACK!!*

That's my favorite slapping photo too  :D

Wonder if they were having a "Bots are Back and they Stink" debate?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 07, 2007, 02:47:51 PM
I tried looking for a few alternate slap pics to give us some variety.  So far nothing good.  Need to get a screen cap of one.

"Hey Charlie Murphy...what did the five fingers say to the face?"
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2007, 02:48:25 PM
Yeah.. Sorry bout that.. It Is a Classic Shot though..
I didn't have time to search the Thousands of images when I just came across yours and.. *SMACK!!*

That's my favorite slapping photo too  :D

Wonder if they were having a "Bots are Back and they Stink" debate?
:D :D :D
Either That or just fighting with their 'inner child'..(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/thcatfight-1.gif)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on November 07, 2007, 02:50:24 PM
I tried looking for a few alternate slap pics to give us some variety.  So far nothing good.  Need to get a screen cap of one.


But why eat hamburger when you can eat steak? 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 07, 2007, 02:56:20 PM
I tried looking for a few alternate slap pics to give us some variety.  So far nothing good.  Need to get a screen cap of one.


But why eat hamburger when you can eat steak? 

Because you get sick of steak.  Eat a burger or two, maybe a taco along the way, then when you get to the steak again it's special all over again.   ;D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on November 07, 2007, 03:01:42 PM
http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/ (http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/)

It had to be done. Enjoy!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 07, 2007, 03:20:13 PM
http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/ (http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/)

It had to be done. Enjoy!


Ahhh, sweet sweet therapy
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: MarkAndrew on November 07, 2007, 03:31:56 PM
She's an Evil ...
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/Succubus.jpg)
Succubus!!! >:D >:D >:D

I'd still date her...in fact...she looks a lot like my first girlfriend/soul-sucking-monster-that-took-my-virginity-a- cruelly-as-possible.

Ah, good times.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Moyer78 on November 07, 2007, 03:35:38 PM
http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/ (http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/)

It had to be done. Enjoy!

Excellent !  Now that, unlike the original cartoon, is very funny   ;D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Tarantulas on November 07, 2007, 04:01:24 PM
http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/ (http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/)

It had to be done. Enjoy!


I feel good... I called this being done like 5 page ago :)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 07, 2007, 04:08:55 PM
Great cut!  Kevin's "The hell" is what he really said in my mind.

On another note, when I went to cuts.com I saw a banner I had never seen or paid attention to before.  It says "From the Head Writer and Stars of MST3k."  Heh.  Looks like Team Mike and Team Joel are comparing sizes.  ***

***I'm sure the ad appeared before "Team Joel" existed.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2007, 04:10:32 PM

I'd still date her...in fact...she looks a lot like my first girlfriend/soul-sucking-monster-that-took-my-virginity-a- cruelly-as-possible.

Ah, good times.
:D :D :D
Too Funny!! Been through 'That' kind've relationship..
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ambitiously stupid on November 07, 2007, 04:13:57 PM
What do yo have to do to get Rifftrax Diy to work again?   It refuses to load for me in IE or Firefox and I always get the "A script in this movie is causing Adobe Flash Player 9 to run slowly.  If it continues to run, your computer may become unresponsive. Do you want to abort the script?" , error message.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AvestheFox on November 07, 2007, 04:16:33 PM
In the second cartoon, at least the annoying fakey echo effect has been fixed in the recording (+1). I feel the voice who is playing Tom, if done correctly could make a good Crow... its just not fitting to the Tom we know.. I'm still used to Kevin's musical voice which gave Tom a great character

The second video in my opinion wasn't as vomit inducing as the first... I'm still just a bit gagged by Tom's voice. And the joke wasn't all that great.

But to quote another post in this thread, its hard to find a decent web comic with a good beginning. I'm still giving these guys a chance to get their act together.

Oh, and there's an update on the Cinematic Titanic, from Joel. Anybody else been keeping up with their site? I'm really looking forward to Joel's riffs again! I just hope that its not to compete against Rifftrax...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: LadyKenobi on November 07, 2007, 06:13:36 PM
I wanna see the cut!  I tried it in IE and Mozilla, but it won't load... just sits there spinnin... *sniff*
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AvestheFox on November 07, 2007, 06:15:16 PM
I wanna see the cut!  I tried it in IE and Mozilla, but it won't load... just sits there spinnin... *sniff*

give it a few minutes, it took a long time for me too
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: LadyKenobi on November 07, 2007, 06:18:03 PM
Ah, OK, sorry.  I'm just used to being instantly gratified ; )

Thanks, Cire!  O, the levels of meta...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 07, 2007, 06:21:21 PM
I wanna see the cut!  I tried it in IE and Mozilla, but it won't load... just sits there spinnin... *sniff*

give it a few minutes, it took a long time for me too

yup, cuts has problems with loading from time to time, be patient it will load ... I generally leave the window in the background and forget about it, by the time it loads its a nice surprise. (By the way, cuts doesn't ALWAYS have the load issues, just sometimes)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 07, 2007, 06:46:58 PM
... back on topic, lets keep the riffs coming

(http://www.mst3ktemple.com/images/bloodhook-1strel.jpg)

From the director of Blood Hook... comes a new direction in horror ...

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t36/ohiostatewinsitall/mst3k.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 07, 2007, 06:49:02 PM
Minnesota, oddly enough, when I saw the opening of Reel Life, and I saw the boat and the fishing and the lake, I thought of Blood Hook.  Kind of funny, really.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 07, 2007, 06:54:15 PM
even giant hooks & bikini clad women wouldn't save that cartoon ;D

(also, sorry for the crappy graphic my ms paint skills suck)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AvestheFox on November 07, 2007, 06:55:58 PM
Ya know, I haven't heard of Bloodhook until a few nights ago...

I was reading the old MST3K chat logs with Mike and the gang, when MST3K was in its golden days... Bloodhook was mentioned many times. And I was left wondering "what the hell is this 'Bloodhook' ? "
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 07, 2007, 07:00:01 PM
Just a crappy film school project ;D Jim Mallon directed it and Kevin also worked on it, It was released by Troma and is available from Netflix
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AvestheFox on November 07, 2007, 07:02:51 PM
Kevin did mention his role in it. I thought it was interesting, but there were allot of people saying that it sucked
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 07, 2007, 07:21:22 PM
Insert the obligatory cries of "Blood Hook would make a GREAT RIffTrax!" or "I hope they tackle Blood Hook on Cinematic Titanic!" here.

I kind of want it to be that second cry, if only because I like the pun that I unintentionally made.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: SwordKing on November 07, 2007, 07:33:11 PM
Why does this whole fiasco remind me of the Buzzed Bunny cartoons?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Chiliking20 on November 07, 2007, 10:18:08 PM
The Bot cartoon totally bites it......hard
Now Max the Hero, on the other hand is freaking awesome
Cartoon Dump is pretty funny also.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bratpop on November 08, 2007, 03:12:30 AM
Quote
Do you REALLY want them to get their hands on Joel and Mike?
It's just so painfully obvious when THE official site for a show is suspiciously lacking either of the hosts for no stated reason. Yet they're in the archived clips. It just doesn't make any SENSE for them to not be there. The void is deafening. Anyone not in the know would find it odd.

Quote
his voice work for Tom Servo was god awful.
I like the irony that his obviously fake low Tom Servo voiced ended up as so similar to Kevin Murphy's actual voice. Sure Kevin stopped really doing a "voice" after a while and it got a bit higher... but that's kind of the point. His actual voice worked so much better than trying to do a character. Elvis' Tom had a low voice only because Crow's voice was high and he couldn't think of anything else. But he just wasn't that great of a voice to be doing a voice-only role. His voice as Larry was really high. And he kind of sounded like a teenager doing a weak cartoon voice.

Quote
It's basically like a mediocre host segment
Yeah, exactly. And why did we accept mediocre host segments during a two hour broadcast? Because the rest of the show was fantastic! You can DO that when you've been on for two years, or even when you've been on for an HOUR and riffed a cheesy movie. But to have a grand reunion with sub-mediocre material out of the blue with no intro is like invading Canada. What's the point? It's like a rock band releasing a new album that's only as good as their worst songs. Would you forgive them? No, there's no reason to. Also they have no lead singer. And two of the band members have been replaced with lookalikes.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 08, 2007, 10:26:59 AM
The main website seems to be taking small strides to improve.  Instead of the calm void where nothing is heard, there's now the whirring of a spaceship; not the same ones with all the clicks and the pings that the show made us accustomed to, but it's a change, and a welcome one, at that.

Now, if only they could get that whirring noise to stop during the animations or the videos....
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AvestheFox on November 08, 2007, 01:54:27 PM
Now they have an opening theme for the opening sequence for the site.

I'm kind of liking the addition of MST3K style sounds and music.

Everything else still needs work though, and they need to add the sounds of the theater gate, and the Movie Sign alarms
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Kzinistzerg on November 08, 2007, 06:23:49 PM
It's gradually improving. But it's still a zombie MST3K.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on November 08, 2007, 07:59:24 PM
If you had a info club brochure laying around somewhere with an order form and you sent BBI a check, I bet they wouldn't send your money back. . . if you really want shirts.

You know they still have all of that laying around.
That may well be, but thta's not exactly my point.  Like I mentioned before...
I'm more excited for the merchandise....give to daddy.
Indeed, no more sending in a check or money order and waiting 6 to 8 weeks for delivery, but an actual 'online' store... Welcome to the 21st century Jim!!!
This is something that I've been pushing for a loooooooooooooooooong time...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on November 09, 2007, 06:16:21 AM
I got their postcard in the mail yesterday... "re-join us".

No thanks, tossed in the garbage.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 09, 2007, 06:20:37 AM
I got their postcard in the mail yesterday... "re-join us".

No thanks, tossed in the garbage.
Wow! Their even sending out Post Cards to people??
How'd they even get your address??
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Junkyard on November 09, 2007, 06:29:35 AM
Original fan club member?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on November 09, 2007, 10:42:46 AM
Yup, I assume all fan club members got the postcard.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 09, 2007, 10:49:52 AM
Don't know that it's smart to send out the postcards just yet.  It looks to me like they've tweaked the site a bit everyday.  If I were Mallon, I would have waited until the beta site had been around quite a bit longer, had some more of the bugs worked out and had a bit more content up before I invited people to it.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Compound on November 09, 2007, 11:38:29 AM
Yup, I assume all fan club members got the postcard.

I got one, so I'm guessing that's the case.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 09, 2007, 01:23:47 PM
Don't know that it's smart to send out the postcards just yet.  It looks to me like they've tweaked the site a bit everyday.  If I were Mallon, I would have waited until the beta site had been around quite a bit longer, had some more of the bugs worked out and had a bit more content up before I invited people to it.

Or at the very least put up a cartoon that didn't blow harder than a wind tunnel.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 09, 2007, 01:33:19 PM
And now they've gotten rid of the spaceship noises on the main site.  Two steps forward, one step back.  Nice job, Jimbo.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: YoohooRiffer on November 09, 2007, 07:03:44 PM
And now they've gotten rid of the spaceship noises on the main site.  Two steps forward, one step back.  Nice job, Jimbo.

Actually I think that's a good thing.  The ship noises were really annoying when watching the videos.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Natureboy on November 10, 2007, 07:13:37 PM
With all the fanfare for the new MST3K website and they decide to put that shit out?  That was really sad.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Tarantulas on November 10, 2007, 09:30:08 PM
It seems Jim pulled episode 102 off the website....  here's hoping you got it before hand.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on November 10, 2007, 09:56:23 PM
It seems Jim pulled episode 102 off the website....  here's hoping you got it before hand.

It sounded like they were doing 1 a week anyway and the visible link was never posted.  I'm sure it will be back up soon. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 11, 2007, 04:06:26 AM
That's the first I heard it was there in the first place, all I ever saw were short clips.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 11, 2007, 10:44:35 AM
Thought this might as well have been brought up.  Folks over at the MST3k Discussion Board should be familiar with this, but for everybody else, "Shad" of MST3k.Com has a few words....

Quote
The site and first animation "Reel Livin'" were finished and then Jim brought us on board. We gutted the site and have a bunch of talented folks working to make the animations better. (Max, the guy who animated the first one. is actually super-good but busy working on his graphic novels.) The bug-me-less version of the site will be up soon and our first animation goes up on Monday. You'll see improvement from each one to the next. I swear.

While Jim, Paul, and the new comedians are feeling out how to write and act for animation, we're working on making it look better. We figure that things will really start coming together around episode five. We got the audio of the bots talking on the site-front page for Thanksgiving and it's pretty funny.

If it doesn't get a heck of a lot funnier...we're out of here too. No one wants to spend day in and out animating garbage.
We all love MST3K and as geeks and Minnesotans feel like it's in our blood and we not going to let it get spoiled.

Yep.

Shad - PUNY / Big Time Attic

Oh, and a couple of notes that maybe I'm not supposed to say:

-The bots were designed to be flat and use puppety animation so that they stay...puppety. (by a really cool guy named Steve) He tried to boil them down to their essence. I think this was a good plan but we're going to flesh them out a little over time without going all "Saturday Morning Cartoon" on them. Plus they have to be fairly easy to animate, Jim wants to keep the episodes coming despite no network $$.

-The bots are on SOL instead of on Earth/Continuity because animation gives them a really cool opportunity to explore the Satellite without building huge sets. These are short bits that folks should look at as expanding the show and having some fun in this new medium..not replacing it.

-Paul especially didn't want to put up "Reel Livin'" first but it was the only one done and everyone figured that if we waited until really good ones came along,..then who knows when the site would launch. All the MST3K guys have a DIY "show the warts and all" mentality that made the show so great in the first place. So...we went ahead and threw up the site as is, that animation, and then a quick store to help pay for hosting and stuff.

-There will for sure be new videos, behind the scenes bits, and I sat in on a brainstorm that had a lot of Internet-centric ideas that cracked me up. They still got it.

Thanks!

Here lies the location of the original post. (http://forrestcrow.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=deep&action=display&thread=1193665154&page=17)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Junkyard on November 11, 2007, 10:46:50 AM
So, brass tacks- They realize the cartoon sucks, and plan to do better? That's encouraging.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on November 11, 2007, 10:50:50 AM
Fans spoke and they are listening.    Good for them.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on November 11, 2007, 02:34:31 PM
Okay, as far as I'm concerned, Apology Accepted.
They gave it a fair shot, it didn't work out, back to the drawing board.
No hard feelings guys, but as a true fan, I had to be honest.

I'll be eagerly anticipated the re-vamped site and the second try out.
If it's a significant improvement from Reel Livin', then I'll take down my Rifftrax DIY.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 11, 2007, 02:56:25 PM
Okay, as far as I'm concerned, Apology Accepted.
They gave it a fair shot, it didn't work out, back to the drawing board.
No hard feelings guys, but as a true fan, I had to be honest.

I'll be eagerly anticipated the re-vamped site and the second try out.
If it's a significant improvement from Reel Livin', then I'll take down my Rifftrax DIY.


I'll be willing to give them another chance too, since they more or less admitted it needs work, but I don't think you should take down your DIY.  If it helped them realize the direction they were going was a dead end, it should be immortalized!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on November 11, 2007, 03:04:36 PM
I'll be eagerly anticipated the re-vamped site and the second try out.
If it's a significant improvement from Reel Livin', then I'll take down my Rifftrax DIY.

I still think that they have a long way to go to even approach funny.  I'm still skeptical and far from eager to see anything on the site.  I might watch them if I'm really, really bored but I don't think excitement is ever going to happen. 

Leave the DIY up as a reminder to how bad it was even if they do get better.  If something isn't ready, it shouldn't be put out. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on November 11, 2007, 03:18:47 PM

IFit's a significant improvement from Reel Livin', then I'll take down my Rifftrax DIY.


It should be noted, that it's a big, skeptical, "IF".
*SMiRK*
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on November 11, 2007, 04:11:53 PM

IFit's a significant improvement from Reel Livin', then I'll take down my Rifftrax DIY.


It should be noted, that it's a big, skeptical, "IF".
*SMiRK*


All I'm saying is that there is NO way that Reel Livin is going to all of a sudden become funny.  Therefore it shouldn't be taken down. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on November 11, 2007, 06:45:52 PM
Okay then, If you guys a really that adamant about it... it stays.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on November 12, 2007, 03:39:14 PM
It seems Jim pulled episode 102 off the website....  here's hoping you got it before hand.

It sounded like they were doing 1 a week anyway and the visible link was never posted.  I'm sure it will be back up soon. 

Is back up and linked properly.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on November 12, 2007, 03:44:29 PM
I got a post card from them too.

They want me, they really want me!

The new cartoon...... eh.    Closer in spirit to the "real" bots anyway.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Junkyard on November 12, 2007, 03:46:13 PM
I just saw the second one. Yup..... pretty sucky.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 12, 2007, 03:48:39 PM
The new cartoon...... eh.    Closer in spirit to the "real" bots anyway.

Yeah, certainly better, while still not being worth my time.

But maybe it's heading in the right direction?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Kzinistzerg on November 12, 2007, 06:09:06 PM
Well they know they made a mistake, apology accepted.

The Servo voice is disturbingly between Weinstein's voice and Murphy's voice. Weird.

But that IS something he'd say.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Junkyard on November 12, 2007, 06:11:47 PM
What's creepy about that is the idea that the guy who did the original voice is trying to immitate or at least intigrate aspects of the second guy to do voice.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bratpop on November 13, 2007, 04:28:51 AM
Well, they didn't really fix anything. The site still doesn't fit in a browser and it's still got the annoying background noise. That's okay for now since the animation takes place on the ship (and not, say, in a lake). But you still can't turn it off while you're waiting for the crapola to load, which you have to. Which, to me, says they have GOT to be doing something wrong, because I just watched a whole flash music video on deviantart and it took no time at all to load. It's almost like their audio isn'n't compressed enough, because the animation sure as heck ain't taking that much time to load.

And yeah the humor is still not there. The funniest thing was Gypsy doing another load of laundry. Which one can only assume is Tom's underpants collection. If they're going to show more of the ship, I hope they try to show something INTERESTING next time. Not just random stuff silhouetted off camera.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Sandstorm on November 13, 2007, 05:58:00 AM
After viewing the 2nd episode, I think Servo's own words sum it all up the best...

(http://www.geobay.net/mst3k/servo.jpg)

Nuff said
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 13, 2007, 06:22:07 AM
That episode was written before the "change of heart" note.  I mean, that's not to say it doesn't suck but maybe they'll fix it up with the next new episode? Maybe?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Sandstorm on November 13, 2007, 07:04:26 AM
I certainly hope they get better. But I would highly advise them not to post any more new ones until they can do these things justice (the bots deserve better). I'd rather wait a month between quality installments, than a week between sub-standard ones. I'm just sayin'
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on November 13, 2007, 07:30:30 AM
That episode was written before the "change of heart" note.  I mean, that's not to say it doesn't suck but maybe they'll fix it up with the next new episode? Maybe?

Indeed that episode was probably already done before Shad made his post. The real test will be the next episode or two. I'm eagerly anticipating new a new art direction.

Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 13, 2007, 07:52:35 AM
We found it here around November 6 (look back on page 19 of this thread) so it was not just probably but definitely written before the post.  Rather it was written before the "rewrite and redo" is another question.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: SaucyRossy on November 13, 2007, 08:09:05 AM
That episode was written before the "change of heart" note.  I mean, that's not to say it doesn't suck but maybe they'll fix it up with the next new episode? Maybe?

You are so optimistic it makes me sick.  ;)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 13, 2007, 08:10:23 AM
Not optimistic, I just like to be contrary.  If you guys all loved it, I'd say how awful it was going to be. ;)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: SaucyRossy on November 13, 2007, 08:14:58 AM
oh ok I see how it is.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: skenderberg on November 13, 2007, 03:26:49 PM
So...we went ahead and threw up the site as is, that animation, and then a quick store to help pay for hosting and stuff.
I can't help but think they'd make a hell of a lot more money with merchandise from the original show.  More than, say, merchandise based on a pair of cartoons that even they admit are pretty crappy.

Oh, and that apology means precisely nothing until they start producing content that doesn't suck.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 13, 2007, 03:43:50 PM
After viewing the 2nd episode, I think Servo's own words sum it all up the best...

(http://www.geobay.net/mst3k/servo.jpg)

Nuff said

Call to action.  If the next couple cartoons still suck this hard, everyone e-mail this image to Jim.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: ig400 on November 13, 2007, 04:31:29 PM
^ :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:^
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 14, 2007, 05:07:04 AM
After viewing the 2nd episode, I think Servo's own words sum it all up the best...

(http://www.geobay.net/mst3k/servo.jpg)

Nuff said

Great post Sandstorm!

Call to action.  If the next couple cartoons still suck this hard, everyone e-mail this image to Jim.

Agreed
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Sandstorm on November 14, 2007, 05:54:10 AM
Servos' words were just too ironic... I couldn't help myself.

But as much as I'd like to see these things improve, I believe there's an inherent problem. As I and others have stated elsewhere, these toon shorts are like mini host segments (minus a host). The problem is that the host segments were never intended to stand on their own. Package it however you want... but unless you go into the theater for some movie riffing, it's just not MST3K.

We'd have all found these first two cartoon episodes a lot easier to swallow if they were used as a segment before going into the theater and seeing some good 'ole riffing of a cheesy movie... even if it was only a ten minute portion.  If they did weekly 10 minute webisodes in this fashion, they could stretch out an entire movie for 9 weeks or more. When I really think to myself, what could they do to actually make me want to come back, and keep coming back... that would be it (if it were done well of course).

Just me thinking out loud. Forgive the ramblings of a die hard Mistie. I'm just sayin'
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Darth Geek on November 14, 2007, 10:11:43 AM
Sandstorm, I like the idea. But rather than riffing on 10 minutes or so of a movie, stretching it out over 9 weeks, I would rather see them devote themselves to riffing shorts. Those were some of the best riffing in MST3K history, and something neither Rifftrax nor Cinematic Titanic will cover. That actually gives this project some more legitamacy, because it seperates itself from the other MST3K factions.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on November 14, 2007, 10:15:40 AM
I wonder if the problem of them doing short riffs is that 99% of the writers and performers are not involved in the new MST3K.com?   

I know it is possible for others (e.g. Josh Way, Raven166) to create funny riffs, I wonder if the writing staff they have on the new website has that kind of humor in them?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: doggans on November 14, 2007, 10:40:09 AM
Well, at the very least, they could throw some of the old shorts up on the site in addition to the old host segments. Most of the educational films were in the public domain anyway, right?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Erichw5 on November 14, 2007, 11:52:17 AM
Hey the good news is the store now has some "legacy tees" for ones who need them .........I want a "you know you want me Baby!" shirt.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on November 14, 2007, 12:15:30 PM
Does anybody know where to get a copy of Shorts Volume 3 on dvd?  I have the first 2 and Mr. B's Lost Shorts from the boxed sets but haven't been able to get Volume 3. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: David on November 14, 2007, 12:58:38 PM
There used to be some dumb thing where you could order it online when you buy The Essentials DVD but it's discontinued I think.
Why the hell don't they just include it in the Essentials?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 14, 2007, 01:03:19 PM
I remember reading that, and then going out and getting The Essentials only to find it wasn't included.  When I figured out I had to order it, not get it at the store, I just gave up, didn't want to buy Manos a third time to get it.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Sandstorm on November 14, 2007, 01:29:38 PM
Sandstorm, I like the idea. But rather than riffing on 10 minutes or so of a movie, stretching it out over 9 weeks, I would rather see them devote themselves to riffing shorts. Those were some of the best riffing in MST3K history, and something neither Rifftrax nor Cinematic Titanic will cover. That actually gives this project some more legitamacy, because it seperates itself from the other MST3K factions.

Excellent idea... and more cost effective too since 99% of those shorts are in the public domain. I hope they're listening to us!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 14, 2007, 01:33:58 PM
Sandstorm, I like the idea. But rather than riffing on 10 minutes or so of a movie, stretching it out over 9 weeks, I would rather see them devote themselves to riffing shorts. Those were some of the best riffing in MST3K history, and something neither Rifftrax nor Cinematic Titanic will cover. That actually gives this project some more legitamacy, because it seperates itself from the other MST3K factions.

Excellent idea... and more cost effective too since 99% of those shorts are in the public domain. I hope they're listening us!


Do we know for sure that Cinematic Titanic won't cover them?  They don't really fit the RiffTrax concept, unless Mike was going to riff a dvd collection of them, but since CT is licensing and producing it's own DVDs (or whatever it's putting out) I could see them including shorts.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: David on November 14, 2007, 01:35:58 PM
Sandstorm, I like the idea. But rather than riffing on 10 minutes or so of a movie, stretching it out over 9 weeks, I would rather see them devote themselves to riffing shorts. Those were some of the best riffing in MST3K history, and something neither Rifftrax nor Cinematic Titanic will cover. That actually gives this project some more legitamacy, because it seperates itself from the other MST3K factions.

Excellent idea... and more cost effective too since 99% of those shorts are in the public domain. I hope they're listening us!


Maybe not here, but one of the employees recently posted (as Shad) on Satellite News forum (http://forrestcrow.proboards47.com (http://forrestcrow.proboards47.com)).
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BathTub on November 14, 2007, 02:05:05 PM
Does anybody know where to get a copy of Shorts Volume 3 on dvd?  I have the first 2 and Mr. B's Lost Shorts from the boxed sets but haven't been able to get Volume 3. 

You have to buy it with the essentials set (http://www.tvatlas.com/prod.aspx?pfid=47&sid=HNH2EKWEP5EA9MGG5ELNSC1SRH7F1K10), I guess the distributor got an exclusive deal or something.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bratpop on November 14, 2007, 10:13:40 PM
Somehow I don't think one writer is enough to riff a short. Sure, Mike could do it. But he's like Jesus... on STEROIDS. It would be like Forrester and Frank trying to riff. "Hey, look at that guy... what a... dickweed."
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Sandstorm on November 15, 2007, 04:46:55 AM
Hey, Dr. Forrester and Frank did a great job riffing in episode 611! (to the movie, Last Of The Wild Horses)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 15, 2007, 04:57:47 AM
Of course Forester and Frank had the advantage of one being an actor with riffing experience thanks to playing Crow, and other being Frank who is just 'da man!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on November 19, 2007, 09:15:59 PM
http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/ (http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/)

It had to be done. Enjoy!
Indeed it did, Bravo! :clap:

After viewing the 2nd episode, I think Servo's own words sum it all up the best...

(http://www.geobay.net/mst3k/servo.jpg)

Nuff said

I took a cue from CireDark, and Viola~!
http://www.cuts.com/cut/77d8bcaa83 (http://www.cuts.com/cut/77d8bcaa83)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Ortega on November 19, 2007, 11:15:13 PM
Does anybody know where to get a copy of Shorts Volume 3 on dvd?  I have the first 2 and Mr. B's Lost Shorts from the boxed sets but haven't been able to get Volume 3. 

You have to buy it with the essentials set (http://www.tvatlas.com/prod.aspx?pfid=47&sid=HNH2EKWEP5EA9MGG5ELNSC1SRH7F1K10), I guess the distributor got an exclusive deal or something.

I just received my copy of The Essentials from TVAtlas.com and it did come with Shorts Vol. 3......so.....its a sure thing...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 19, 2007, 11:25:49 PM
Does anybody know where to get a copy of Shorts Volume 3 on dvd?  I have the first 2 and Mr. B's Lost Shorts from the boxed sets but haven't been able to get Volume 3. 

You have to buy it with the essentials set (http://www.tvatlas.com/prod.aspx?pfid=47&sid=HNH2EKWEP5EA9MGG5ELNSC1SRH7F1K10), I guess the distributor got an exclusive deal or something.

I just received my copy of The Essentials from TVAtlas.com and it did come with Shorts Vol. 3......so.....its a sure thing...

If you get it anywhere else be sure to check if Shorts Vol 3 is listed.  I bought my copy at a store, thinking I'd get it, but no shorts for me.  Is it packaged separately in your set?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Ortega on November 20, 2007, 12:23:03 AM
I thought at first i got hosed, because when i opened up the mailing package, it was just the shrink-wrapped copy, but when i opened it, it was packed in in a white sleeve.  And i ordered it this past Friday, and got it in the mail this morning, so, like i said, TVAtlas.com still has some.  Strike while the iron is hot.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on November 20, 2007, 10:48:57 AM
When I bought my Essentials I did not get Shorts Vol 3. Sounds like it could be hit or miss...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: David on November 20, 2007, 10:54:37 AM
When I bought my Essentials I did not get Shorts Vol 3. Sounds like it could be hit or miss...

From TVAtlas or another online place that said it came with shorts 3? Or just from a store?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BathTub on November 20, 2007, 11:12:50 AM
They have an exclusive deal on it, it's always been that way.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: LadyKenobi on November 20, 2007, 11:18:44 AM
But TVAtlas advertises the V3 as part of the package.  If you ordered it from there and were shafted, you got some hollerin' to do.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on November 20, 2007, 12:39:37 PM
No, I got it elsewhere... my bad  :-[
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Ninjew on November 21, 2007, 06:33:29 AM
http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/ (http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/)

It had to be done. Enjoy!


Nice!  What program are you using to rip the FLASH animation from the site?  I wanna have fun too!!!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: pyro on November 21, 2007, 12:10:33 PM
wow.... just watched the Thanksgiving short.....  :(
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 21, 2007, 12:17:12 PM
I thought the various bits of Turkey Day clips in the Video filing cabinet were a nice touch.  Interesting choice of clips there, and it was a bit of fun.  The short wasn't all that funny, again, but I thought that it was kinda cute, anyway.  The little cartoons are kinda growing on me, I have to say.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on November 21, 2007, 06:35:28 PM
http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/ (http://www.cuts.com/cut/c2976ad15c/)

It had to be done. Enjoy!


Nice!  What program are you using to rip the FLASH animation from the site?  I wanna have fun too!!!

No program needed. Just find the vids on youtube.
Thom Servaux has one for "Feels Like".
Not sure if "Thanksgiving Clown" is on youtube yet, but I'm sure it'll find it's way there eventually. Then all 3 new toons will be ripe for riffing.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: FunnymanN2 on November 24, 2007, 08:52:54 AM
Not bad. But the writing's poor and some of it got me chuckling. The animation and voices aren't bad either, not the best, but at least Jim Mallon reutrned as Gyspy!

I rate it  >:( :( :) out of  >:( :( :) :D ;D!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Junkyard on November 24, 2007, 09:48:56 AM
Probably the kindest review on this board.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: FunnymanN2 on November 24, 2007, 02:55:27 PM
Probably the kindest review on this board.

Thank you.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: eegah on November 25, 2007, 03:14:09 AM
wow.... just watched the Thanksgiving short.....  :(

Ummmmm....yeah...me too..............WHAT the HELL was THAT?  ???

I think they're actually getting worse...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Natureboy on November 25, 2007, 06:06:09 AM
The thanksgiving episode was even worse.....they have a long way to go to improve them to the point where they just suck.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 25, 2007, 06:42:00 AM
They do know the basic concepts of jokes, and the need for setups, punchlines, etc?...Don't they?

Do they just expect to put a bunch of words down on paper, then have formerly beloved characters spew them out, then have that be "funny"?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: eegah on November 25, 2007, 08:32:10 PM
The thanksgiving episode was even worse.....they have a long way to go to improve them to the point where they just suck.

Here, I made some improvements. I removed the original dialogue and replaced it with Kevin and Bill DIY riffs:

[cut=403,395]df60f00001[/cut]
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 26, 2007, 06:14:36 AM
Very Cool Eegah!!

(btw ... I have a fairly consistent problem with embed cuts because it slows down my web browser, in the past others have had the same problem ... probably no big deal, but if anybody else is stuck waiting for the thread to load you can find Eegah's cut here: http://www.cuts.com/cut/df60f00001/ )
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: eegah on November 26, 2007, 06:56:56 AM
Very Cool Eegah!!

(btw ... I have a fairly consistent problem with embed cuts because it slows down my web browser, in the past others have had the same problem ... probably no big deal, but if anybody else is stuck waiting for the thread to load you can find Eegah's cut here: http://www.cuts.com/cut/df60f00001/ )

Thanks!

I know the problem that you are talking about. The only way that I can edit or watch cuts without significant delay is if I use Firefox 2 on a Mac. Weird, huh?

Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Sandstorm on November 26, 2007, 10:20:18 AM
The next one is up... titled: Solitaire. And as you might imagine, it's simply not funny.

(http://www.geobay.net/mst3k/solitaire.jpg)

So who's gonna give it a good riffing hmmm?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: eegah on November 26, 2007, 11:26:26 AM
The next one is up... titled: Solitaire. And as you might imagine, it's simply not funny.

Actually, that's the first one that's made me smile. Laugh, no, but I definitely smirked.

But there was definitely a lot of humor potential there that was missed. I would classify it as disappointing, whereas the other ones just made me mad or, at best, confused.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on November 26, 2007, 01:46:39 PM
I think what they are lacking is the Joel/Mike interaction.    I know they are trying, but so far, the episodes are just not funny.   

I commend them for trying, but something is missing.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on November 26, 2007, 01:51:42 PM
I commend them for trying, but something is missing.
A Lot is missing, and I Doubt I'll be following it much longer.. :gouge:
RiffTrax & Cinematic Titanic will be All that I'll be following for 'obvious' reasons already stated in other threads ::)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Natureboy on November 26, 2007, 01:52:10 PM
I think what they are lacking is the Joel/Mike interaction.    I know they are trying, but so far, the episodes are just not funny.   

I commend them for trying, but something is missing.

Yeah, the funny stuff.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 26, 2007, 02:11:54 PM
... I liked this one....
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 26, 2007, 02:24:23 PM
I think the dialogs are too long.  This one could have be funny but it just goes on and on, much like Crow's canoe dialog and the reading from the book on Turkey Day.

It's like they take something a little bit humorous and suck the life out of it.
Title: Strike 4!
Post by: a pretty girl is like on November 26, 2007, 03:20:39 PM
The new adventures are going nowhere fast. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: eegah on November 26, 2007, 03:21:08 PM
I think the dialogs are too long.  This one could have be funny but it just goes on and on, much like Crow's canoe dialog and the reading from the book on Turkey Day.

I think the latest one would've been better if, at the point when Crow leaves, they had ended it with Crow saying "You know, it's called SOLITAIRE for a reason" and then leaving.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Minnesota on November 27, 2007, 05:53:31 AM
Probably a fluke, but it definitely shows improvement ... put me with the 'i kinda liked it' crowd
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Trangel on November 27, 2007, 08:24:29 AM
I think it was only amusing when compared to the first three.  The characters have no context.  No raison d'etre.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Invader_quirk on November 27, 2007, 11:37:29 AM
I think they're getting better. They at least have an amount of charm. Solitaire was pretty good in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: skenderberg on November 27, 2007, 01:46:59 PM
I think it was only amusing when compared to the first three.  The characters have no context.  No raison d'etre.
Yep.  "Kind of sucks" is better than "sucks," which, in turn, is better than "totally sucks," but the operative word is still "sucks."
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on November 27, 2007, 03:16:16 PM
I think it was only amusing when compared to the first three.  The characters have no context.  No raison d'etre.

That pretty much nails it. "Solitaire" was only good when compared to its predecessors.

Also, Eegahs Cut of the Thanksgiving Clown episode was dead on. Way to work the Kevin/Bill dialog in there and syncing it to the cartoon! Well done.

Sandstorm, you might have to move that one over to Youtube as well so that we don't have to wait for Cuts.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: eegah on November 27, 2007, 04:43:53 PM
Eegahs Cut of the Thanksgiving Clown episode was dead on. Way to work the Kevin/Bill dialog in there and syncing it to the cartoon! Well done.

Thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on November 27, 2007, 04:44:54 PM
Heh, brought back memories of the host segment where Crow asked for Servo's hand in marriage.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on November 30, 2007, 09:01:04 PM
I just saw # 3 & 4, my impressions....

For 'Thanksgiving Clown'  Somebody needs to inform Jim that brevity is not always the soul of wit.  As for episode #4, despite the name of the title, this should definitely NOT be watched alone....  unless accompanied by large quantities of adult beverages to wash it down, along with some heroin or perhaps perscription painkillers, perchance...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: urzishra14 on December 03, 2007, 06:34:10 PM
not bad.. it is missing the human interaction.. Joel or Mike make it funny rather then just banter.. the skits in the show were usually movie related.. and it worked in the show when there were more then just the bots.. (the mad scientists, pearl and friends)  anyways.. not bad.. little entertaining.. if i pretend real hard its almost as good as old..

but rifftrax has spoiled me.. I didn't like cartoon dump that much.. but if these "cartoon" segments could somehow be integrated with Mike and bots into the rifftrax player it could be interesting.. It would add some variety to it.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: killeroo on December 03, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
I just watched the Thanksgiving episode.  Might have been better if they'd remembered to write in a punchline. But then again, I guess they didn't really lead up to anything, so maybe it would have been inappropriate. The tinkly bell sound was nice though.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on December 04, 2007, 11:05:33 PM
I thought these were supposed to be getting better.  They might actually be getting worse. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on December 05, 2007, 08:55:10 AM
You mean people are still visiting that site?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on December 05, 2007, 09:19:47 AM
I thought these were supposed to be getting better.  They might actually be getting worse. 
Hey more Riff-fodder for the rest of us, I say,
http://www.cuts.com/cut/73ee229956/ (http://www.cuts.com/cut/73ee229956/)
But yeah, the way I see it, Jim has about a month or so to get it together. As I see it, once CT does it's initial performance at the Lucasfilm Christmas party, (which by the way, I believe will not be 'Howard The Duck', but rather the 1978 'Star Wars Holiday Special' which Mike, Kevin & Bill are currently working on for RiffTrax) Joel and the rest will doubtless swing it into high by the start of '08...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: LadyKenobi on December 05, 2007, 09:29:03 AM
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Joel and the rest will doubtless swing it into high

Nice Godzilla Genealogy Bop callback  :)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BathTub on December 05, 2007, 10:56:38 AM
Hey more Riff-fodder for the rest of us...
I thought these were supposed to be getting better.  They might actually be getting worse. 
Hey more Riff-fodder for the rest of us, I say,
http://www.cuts.com/cut/73ee229956/ (http://www.cuts.com/cut/73ee229956/)
But yeah, the way I see it, Jim has about a month or so to get it together. As I see it, once CT does it's initial performance at the Lucasfilm Christmas party, (which by the way, I believe will not be 'Howard The Duck', but rather the 1978 'Star Wars Holiday Special' which Mike, Kevin & Bill are currently working on for RiffTrax) Joel and the rest will doubtless swing it into high by the start of '08...

It's funny how some news filters out, but some doesn't. They aren't riffing anything by Lucasfilm. Joel even teased us with an image of them working on it  over thanksgiving. We also know it has three words in the title.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on December 05, 2007, 11:39:24 AM
BathTub, your avatar is scaring the children...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: LadyKenobi on December 05, 2007, 12:21:01 PM
Which is why it's AWESOME!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Junkyard on December 05, 2007, 12:24:11 PM
Holy motherbleeper. A Down Syndrome Demon Wookie.
(http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1733;type=avatar)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on December 05, 2007, 12:33:01 PM

(http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1733;type=avatar)

Was "lumpy" the best name the writers could dream up?   And "Itchy"...... what the hell?!   
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: LadyKenobi on December 05, 2007, 12:40:17 PM
Maybe they're short for something majestic? "Chewy" and all-- maybe Wookies only name their children after bodily conditions and cookie descriptors.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on December 05, 2007, 12:45:51 PM
So the extended family might include Gassy, Nutty, Crumbly, Rashy, Flakey, Oily, Greasy, etc?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on December 05, 2007, 12:48:46 PM
So the extended family might include Gassy, Nutty, Crumbly, Rashy, Flakey, Oily, Greasy, etc?

 :D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: killeroo on December 05, 2007, 12:53:27 PM
So the extended family might include Gassy, Nutty, Crumbly, Rashy, Flakey, Oily, Greasy, etc?

And Doc.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: daltysmilth on December 05, 2007, 03:52:23 PM
So the extended family might include Gassy, Nutty, Crumbly, Rashy, Flakey, Oily, Greasy, etc?

And Doc.

And Keenan-Ivory Wookie.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on December 05, 2007, 06:13:24 PM
Maybe they're short for something majestic? "Chewy" and all-- maybe Wookies only name their children after bodily conditions and cookie descriptors.

Itchy is supposed to be short for Attitichuck or something like that.

Lumpy is short for "Lump of shit," which is what Chewie called him when he was birthed.  It stuck, like shit to a shoe.*


*Or Wookiee hair. Insert "rabbit and bear" joke here.

As long as it isn't "Dog and Bear", you know how that can get out of hand.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CireDark on December 05, 2007, 06:17:39 PM

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*Or Wookiee hair. Insert "rabbit and bear" joke here.

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As long as it isn't "Dog and Bear", you know how that can get out of hand.

Yeah, "sea lion and squirrel" is much more fun anyways... no messy entrails hanging out..
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Courtney on December 05, 2007, 06:22:22 PM

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*Or Wookiee hair. Insert "rabbit and bear" joke here.

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As long as it isn't "Dog and Bear", you know how that can get out of hand.

Yeah, "sea lion and squirrel" is much more fun anyways... no messy entrails hanging out..

Guys I think we just all need to calm down and watch "Dr. Jane Seymour, Medicine Quinn."
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on December 05, 2007, 06:23:47 PM

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*Or Wookiee hair. Insert "rabbit and bear" joke here.

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As long as it isn't "Dog and Bear", you know how that can get out of hand.

Yeah, "sea lion and squirrel" is much more fun anyways... no messy entrails hanging out..

Guys I think we just all need to calm down and watch "Dr. Jane Seymour, Medicine Quinn."

Uh-uh, no way.  Forget you!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on December 06, 2007, 09:05:27 AM

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*Or Wookiee hair. Insert "rabbit and bear" joke here.

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As long as it isn't "Dog and Bear", you know how that can get out of hand.

Yeah, "sea lion and squirrel" is much more fun anyways... no messy entrails hanging out..

Guys I think we just all need to calm down and watch "Dr. Jane Seymour, Medicine Quinn."

Uh-uh, no way.  Forget you!
Y'see Jim, it's not really all that hard to write funny compelling dialog if you try.  We can do it, and so can you, if you put forth some effort. Give it a try, won't you? Thank You...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: skenderberg on December 06, 2007, 10:18:07 AM
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Y'see Jim, it's not really all that hard to write funny compelling dialog if you try.  We can do it, and so can you, if you put forth some effort. Give it a try, won't you? Thank You...
Good job getting this thread back on track.   Speaking of returning bBots, there's no new cartoon this week, but there are three new host segments, two of which are from commercially available episodes.  Way to give us new and exciting content, Jim.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on December 06, 2007, 05:15:53 PM

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*Or Wookiee hair. Insert "rabbit and bear" joke here.

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As long as it isn't "Dog and Bear", you know how that can get out of hand.

Yeah, "sea lion and squirrel" is much more fun anyways... no messy entrails hanging out..

Guys I think we just all need to calm down and watch "Dr. Jane Seymour, Medicine Quinn."

Uh-uh, no way.  Forget you!
Y'see Jim, it's not really all that hard to write funny compelling dialog if you try.  We can do it, and so can you, if you put forth some effort. Give it a try, won't you? Thank You...

To be fair, we're just quoting old dialog, not writing new stuff.

To also be fair, this is great dialog that is associated with the characters he's using, and anything new should at least attempt to have this same charm.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Ninjew on December 06, 2007, 06:17:51 PM
I'm just hoping - waiting - PRAYING - that Jim gets a clue and provides us with a decent yuk for the holidays (if that's okay)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bratpop on December 06, 2007, 08:20:35 PM
Why would Jim provide us with a person from the Yukon?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: daltysmilth on December 07, 2007, 06:36:15 PM
Hey, Yukon Cornelius might be just what the site needs.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gbeenie on December 07, 2007, 08:21:57 PM
Mmmm... silver and gold....
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on December 09, 2007, 05:57:58 AM
To be fair, we're just quoting old dialog, not writing new stuff.

To be fair, I knew... (as was I with one of Joel's favorite sayings, 'won't you?, Thank You...')

To also be fair, this is great dialog that is associated with the characters he's using, and anything new should at least attempt to have this same charm.

To also be fair, you're preaching to the choir, my good man, er,  fox... 

I'm just hoping - waiting - PRAYING - that Jim gets a clue and provides us with a decent yuk for the holidays (if that's okay)

Oh I think it's fair to say that we've been given quite a number of  YUCKS so far, holiday or no... (and not in a good way, either...)  :rimshot:

Hey, Yukon Cornelius might be just what the site needs.
Mmmm... silver and gold....
AFLAC!!!

Admit it. His tongue skills intrigue you.

Uh, what can I say?  Oh, I know... Ewwww! :speechless: :speechless: :speechless:
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on December 09, 2007, 08:11:57 AM
Hey, maybe you're on to something... Maybe these bot cartoons are meant to provide some hilarious unintentionally funny moments for our amusement! In the tradition of Ed Wood movies...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on December 09, 2007, 08:36:19 PM
Hey, maybe you're on to something... Maybe these bot cartoons are meant to provide some hilarious unintentionally funny moments for our amusement! In the tradition of Ed Wood movies...
For Jim's sake, let's all hope and pray it is so... (and I'm not talking rice wine , either...)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AvestheFox on December 10, 2007, 05:48:51 AM
Yukons are such silly people

I actually never saw the Torgo interview clip, that gave me quiet a laugh

at least there IS something funny on the site, whether it be old or not
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: skenderberg on December 10, 2007, 10:58:07 AM
Hey, maybe you're on to something... Maybe these bot cartoons are meant to provide some hilarious unintentionally funny moments for our amusement! In the tradition of Ed Wood movies...
I dunno.  I'm thinking there's a difference between competently bad and hilariously inept.    It's not like they've given it their all and failed grandly.  It's like they're not even trying, and thinking we'll buy it anyway.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Darth Geek on December 10, 2007, 09:41:32 PM
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It's like they're not even trying, and thinking we'll buy it anyway.

I totally agree. And it's not like the well of possibilities has run dry. Despite nine years of  material these characters have been through, the very fact we are seeing what the bots do between each other when Mike or Joel isn't around is an interesting and fresh ground they could be covering. But this isn't even childish level humor, it's NOT funny. Does Jim think we want a taught drama based on these characters?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: LadyKenobi on December 11, 2007, 12:10:39 AM
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the very fact we are seeing what the bots do between each other

I'm not entirely sure I want to see that.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on December 11, 2007, 06:47:13 AM
I will check in on Mr Mallon's site again in maybe 6 months to see if it's still active.

What a contrast between this hastily thrown together half-baked project and the Cinematic Titanic... it's just night and day. Not really a surprise though.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Beverly on December 11, 2007, 07:34:58 AM
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What a contrast between this hastily thrown together half-baked project and the Cinematic Titanic.

Yeah, the timing of the announcement of the two projects says a lot.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gammer on December 11, 2007, 07:41:32 AM
Mmmm... silver and gold....

Admit it. His tongue skills intrigue you.

You eat what you like and I'll eat what I like...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on February 22, 2008, 12:46:16 AM
So... those bots, are they still back?  I just tried going to MST3K.com and I got a black screen.  But that might be because Flash is not installed properly on this PC.  I kinda miss making fun of that site...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: daltysmilth on February 22, 2008, 10:00:24 AM
It worked for me.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on February 22, 2008, 11:20:04 AM
So... those bots, are they still back?  I just tried going to MST3K.com and I got a black screen.  But that might be because Flash is not installed properly on this PC.  I kinda miss making fun of that site...

Still just the same 4 videos.  Maybe Mallon put up the white flag when nobody bought the new garbage products. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gojikranz on February 22, 2008, 11:25:10 AM
works for me but it seems the bots decided to leave again.  any news if they are gonna try to make more?  all that new merchandise thry have is gotta be stacking up in their warehouses.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on February 22, 2008, 10:44:02 PM
So much for the 'bots. (http://deepape.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/mst3ks-animated-series-cancelled/)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on February 22, 2008, 11:43:49 PM
Why do I envision Jim Mallon alone and weeping bitterly?  And why does that image make me happy?  We never used to hate this guy, did we?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on February 23, 2008, 04:41:49 AM
Well, I Won't miss the bot cartoons at all..

I blame it on 3 'P's: Piss Poor Planning ::)

Or maybe they took the 'KISS' theory a bit too far by Keeping It (too) Simple Stupid :o
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on February 23, 2008, 04:51:19 AM
Maybe Jim just realized there were more important things to do with his time, like working out the Shout! deal.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Bob on February 23, 2008, 05:39:55 AM
That article had a really interesting comment about how all the merchandise they are selling is based upon the new "re-imaged" bots and logo.   If the bots and logo were a flop, how can you continue to sell the new merchandise?    Shouldn't you switch back to the classic look?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on February 23, 2008, 05:41:08 AM
That article had a really interesting comment about how all the merchandise they are selling is based upon the new "re-imaged" bots and logo.   If the bots and logo were a flop, how can you continue to sell the new merchandise?    Shouldn't you switch back to the classic look?
Exactly! *Goes back to the 3 P's..* ::)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on February 23, 2008, 11:58:41 AM
You should go back to the old logo if you don't have crates of stuff emblazoned with the new logo laying around.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on February 23, 2008, 02:36:15 PM
That's hilarious.   I'm glad I no longer have to deal with round after round of disappointment. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on February 23, 2008, 03:41:01 PM
Just have to put in a call to the same warehouse that's stuffed full of "Colorado Rockies:  World Series Champs" and "Steven Regal, a Real Man's Man" T-Shirts and see if they have any room to store a crate of crap, then bring back the classic look.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: daltysmilth on February 24, 2008, 10:18:10 AM
I still think people didn't give it enough of a chance.  I mean, imagine you were working on a project where everybody that heard about it was saying it's going to be crap without even seeing it.  (And that is what happened with this.  If you don't believe me, go back to the beginning of this thread and read the early responses.)  And then once they saw the first part of it, which, even by your own admission isn't exactly up to the highest standards of quality that people expect from you, and everyone who sees it tells you so, and they also say that there's not even any point in continuing because it's obvious that whatever talent you might have had is long gone, and what you're putting out now is completely worthless.  Now let me ask you, if you were working under such conditions, where everyone was having such a negative reaction to every single aspect of what you were doing, and not having any faith that what you were working on would get better as time went on, would you be able to put out the same quality of work as you would if you knew everyone had a healthy amount of confidence in you? 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on February 24, 2008, 10:38:50 AM
Well at the beginning, I was optimistic; I gave it a chance; open minded, and I didn't like what I saw.
If I was working under those negative assumptions, I would set out to prove them wrong sure, but I would also listen to the Fans input and take some notes for future reference. From what I can tell, I don't think this was done. And this is the end result.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on February 24, 2008, 11:57:47 AM
For what it's worth, I was starting to enjoy these little things.  I, for one, enjoyed the Solitaire cartoon quite a bit and thought it was a step in the right direction, as far as the 'toons were concerned.  I loved the animation and thought that the show was picking up.  Alas, I guess it was not meant to be.

And now, a musical interlude:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 24, 2008, 01:45:55 PM
It Stunk!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Darth Geek on February 24, 2008, 04:09:19 PM
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For what it's worth, I was starting to enjoy these little things.  I, for one, enjoyed the Solitaire cartoon quite a bit and thought it was a step in the right direction, as far as the 'toons were concerned.  I loved the animation and thought that the show was picking up.  Alas, I guess it was not meant to be.

Dim of the Yard IS Jim Mallon!

Quick, grab him! Rip him apart!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Raven on February 24, 2008, 05:18:31 PM
I still think people didn't give it enough of a chance.  I mean, imagine you were working on a project where everybody that heard about it was saying it's going to be crap without even seeing it.  (And that is what happened with this.  If you don't believe me, go back to the beginning of this thread and read the early responses.)  And then once they saw the first part of it, which, even by your own admission isn't exactly up to the highest standards of quality that people expect from you, and everyone who sees it tells you so, and they also say that there's not even any point in continuing because it's obvious that whatever talent you might have had is long gone, and what you're putting out now is completely worthless.  Now let me ask you, if you were working under such conditions, where everyone was having such a negative reaction to every single aspect of what you were doing, and not having any faith that what you were working on would get better as time went on, would you be able to put out the same quality of work as you would if you knew everyone had a healthy amount of confidence in you? 

All of the negative thoughts before the release of the first toon should have made the first one the best they could possibly put out.  Knowing how much the fans were sceptical Mallon shouldn't have rushed to just get "something" out there.   Same goes for the CT guys.  The delivery method should have been thought out better, but at least the product delivered.  These cartoons were awful.  Period.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Compound on February 24, 2008, 09:21:00 PM
You should go back to the old logo if you don't have crates of stuff emblazoned with the new logo laying around.

You know you want me, baby.

(And I'd gladly buy those Rockies World Series Champs T-shirts, Ronin.)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: FordPrefect on February 24, 2008, 09:39:59 PM
I wish they were a bit funnier, yes, but I don't necessarily want them to quit. I don't know why everybody was so hard on them. They were only a few minutes long and it wasn't like Jim was charging anything for them. I think Jim's main mistake on this was making such a big deal about the fact that he was doing them. If he'd just launched the site, and started including the cartoons without fanfare, I don't think there would have been such a backlash. I also think it was a bad idea to base so many items in the catalog on the cartoon.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on February 25, 2008, 09:46:20 AM
I enjoyed the link at the bottom for this other article:

http://deepape.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/new-rifftrax-on-demand-totally-rips-me-off-man/
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on February 25, 2008, 09:51:14 AM
HEH! Pretty neat way to help sell the product there 'Hugh'.. :D :D
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: gojikranz on February 25, 2008, 08:33:11 PM
i did think they got better and i wouldnt mind seeing some more come through.  maybe they oughta put them on as extras for the new dvds coming from shout.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bratpop on February 25, 2008, 09:29:40 PM
Has anybody checked to see if there's been a new one... this year? I'm ascared.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 26, 2008, 02:20:28 AM
You don't read; you just post right?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bratpop on February 26, 2008, 02:26:07 AM
Nobody's posted a link since the second episode. Or third. Not counting the "leaked" episodes.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 26, 2008, 02:27:37 AM
Still not reading.
http://deepape.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/mst3ks-animated-series-cancelled/ (http://deepape.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/mst3ks-animated-series-cancelled/)

Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: AmandaGal on February 26, 2008, 02:54:16 AM
I feel like RVR, god help me, but:

(http://patentpending.blogs.com/patent_pending_blog/images/illiterate.JPG)
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RoninFox on February 26, 2008, 04:49:34 AM
I feel like RVR, god help me, but:

(http://patentpending.blogs.com/patent_pending_blog/images/illiterate.JPG)

That is the greatest billboard I have ever seen in my life.

I am so putting that on a t-shirt!
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on February 26, 2008, 05:25:25 AM
I feel like RVR, god help me, but:

(http://patentpending.blogs.com/patent_pending_blog/images/illiterate.JPG)
>:(
And just What is That supposed to mean, dear??
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: mrbasehart on February 26, 2008, 07:07:41 AM
I feel like RVR, god help me, but:

(http://patentpending.blogs.com/patent_pending_blog/images/illiterate.JPG)
>:(
And just What is That supposed to mean, dear??

I think she's just a little ashamed that she had to stoop to posting a picture (like you do  :)) to prove a point about bratpop not reading. 
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on February 26, 2008, 07:11:27 AM
Oh.. Well then.. It's not so bad stooping to.. 'my level' ???
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: BEERxTaco on February 26, 2008, 08:45:05 AM
i did think they got better and i wouldnt mind seeing some more come through.  maybe they oughta put them on as extras for the new dvds coming from shout.

I hope not...
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: RVR II on February 26, 2008, 08:47:09 AM
i did think they got better and i wouldnt mind seeing some more come through.  maybe they oughta put them on as extras for the new dvds coming from shout.

I hope not...
Agreed.. That could hurt the sales..
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: Dim of the Yard on February 26, 2008, 08:55:55 AM
i did think they got better and i wouldnt mind seeing some more come through.  maybe they oughta put them on as extras for the new dvds coming from shout.

I hope not...
Agreed.. That could hurt the sales..

I don't really see how it would affect the sales.  Sure, the 'toons ain't popular, but you don't have to watch the Extras at all.  It wouldn't be like they're forcing you to sit through them every time you pop the DVD in.

And they could always just pop the 'toons on as an Extra on a much-requested movie, as well, if they're really worried about how the 'toons would affect sales.
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: FordPrefect on February 26, 2008, 10:32:27 AM
I don't really see how it would affect the sales.  Sure, the 'toons ain't popular, but you don't have to watch the Extras at all.  It wouldn't be like they're forcing you to sit through them every time you pop the DVD in.

And they could always just pop the 'toons on as an Extra on a much-requested movie, as well, if they're really worried about how the 'toons would affect sales.

They could include them as easter eggs on the new DVDs. I still say they would have worked better as a fun surprise, as apposed to Jim shouting, "Hey there everybody!! Look what we're doing!!"
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: CM916 on February 28, 2008, 04:24:35 AM
I just watched them all today and I really enjoyed it. Before that, I had only seen Solitaire possibly while intoxicated. Are there any unreleased ones hidden away somewhere?
Title: Re: The Bots are Back!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 28, 2008, 05:11:36 AM
I just watched them all today and I really enjoyed it. Before that, I had only seen Solitaire possibly while intoxicated. Are there any unreleased ones hidden away somewhere?

Yeah, they are hidden away like a suppository for a slow, timed release.