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Title: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on September 30, 2007, 10:48:02 PM
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Radiohead Asks Fans To Name Price For New Album

September 30, 2007, 10:30 PM ET
Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.
As expected, Radiohead has gone an unusual route for distribution of its seventh studio album, "In Rainbows." The set will be available for digital download from the band's Web site beginning Oct. 10, but with a twist -- fans can name their own price for the purchase. "It's up to you," reads a disclaimer on the checkout screen.

"Hello everyone. Well, the new album is finished, and it's coming out in 10 days," guitarist Jonny Greenwood said in a characteristically nonchalant post on the site. "In Rainbows" will also be sold in a "discbox," which will feature the new album on CD and double-vinyl, as well as a second disc with seven additional songs, photos, artwork and lyrics. The materials will be encased in a hardback book and slipcase.

The discbox will sell for £ 40 and will ship "on or before" Dec. 3, according to the site. As for the new material, much of it was road tested on tour last year, although "Weird Fishes," "Last Flowers" and "Faust Arp" appear to be songs written more recently.

Radiohead exited longtime label home EMI in 2005 and has yet to announce a new deal for distribution of its music beyond the "In Rainbows" package. Last week, the band began posting coded messages on its site that seemed to indicate a new album was imminent, concurrent with the launch of the site RadioheadLP7.com, which was quickly revealed to be a hoax.

"In Rainbows" is the follow-up to 2003's "Hail to the Thief," which debuted at No. 3 on The Billboard 200.

Here is the track list for "In Rainbows":

"15 Step"
"Bodysnatchers"
"Nude"
"Weird Fishes/Arpeggi"
"All I Need"
"Faust Arp"
"Reckoner"
"House of Cards"
"Jigsaw Falling Into Place"
"Videotape"

Here is the track list for the "In Rainbows" bonus disc:

"MK 1"
"Down Is the New Up"
"Go Slowly"
"MK 2"
"Last Flowers"
"Up on the Ladder"
"Bangers and Mash"
"4 Minute Warning"

http://www.inrainbows.com/Store/Quickindex.html


Not exactly like Creative Commons, but close enough...  I've always loved this idea and was excited when my friend told me about this earlier
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on October 01, 2007, 09:24:22 PM
I think it's a great idea, especially for a group who's popular enough not to need the money, but smart enough to know that many millions of copies will no doubt be downloaded via torrent sites, so they just grin and bear it. Also, those who truly love the music of Radiohead will no doubt purchase the album for at least the price of a regular CD.

I guess you could think of it as an extended trial CD, so you can listen to it, and if you like it, you can purchase it.


I applaud them for whatever reason they had for making this decision.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on October 02, 2007, 07:06:50 AM
Only thing is it seems they're only selling it as mp3's.....  I might just do about 2-3£
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: GregMcduck on October 02, 2007, 07:24:19 AM
Only the diehard Radiohead fans are gonna buy the eventual CD, which is reported to be around, oh i don't know, 80 FUCKING DOLLARS!
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: BathTub on October 02, 2007, 08:47:25 AM
mp3s only? kind of half assed attempt then.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 02, 2007, 08:50:17 AM
I'd pay $11 for the mp3's and I'll probably get the full artsy set that comes out even if it is extremely overpriced because I've bought the other ones in the past and I love Radiohead.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: Conor on October 02, 2007, 08:52:41 AM
Only the diehard Radiohead fans are gonna buy the eventual CD, which is reported to be around, oh i don't know, 80 FUCKING DOLLARS!

A real, normal priced CD is going to come out in a few months, once a method of distribution is being established.

What is the reasoning behind calling MP3s half assed?  Because they're not distributing it in a FLAC format that 99.5% of the population has no interest in listening to?  Or something I'm not thinking of?
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: BathTub on October 02, 2007, 09:50:50 AM
What is the reasoning behind calling MP3s half assed?  Because they're not distributing it in a FLAC format that 99.5% of the population has no interest in listening to?  Or something I'm not thinking of?

No that's about it. If I am going to buy digital music I am not going to buy lossy mp3s as an archival form, just because lots of people are happy with mp3's doesn't mean I have to be.  I made that decision a long time ago. No I don't buy iTunes either.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 02, 2007, 10:02:53 AM
No need to make ".wav's" on this topic, BT. I'm a bit off my game today with the bad jokes.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: BathTub on October 02, 2007, 10:44:17 AM
No, I assure you that was quite terrible .
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 02, 2007, 10:48:50 AM
At the end of the year I'm donating all my bad jokes to charity, for the kids.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: BathTub on October 02, 2007, 10:56:39 AM
Well as long as it's for the kids.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: Conor on October 02, 2007, 11:37:18 AM
It's true that Radiohead probably has a higher percentage of fans interested in FLAC (or at least who know it exist.)  Still, I imagine it's a miniscule percentage.

This is still a major, major deal though, and it's win win for the band and for the consumer.  What I think is interesting will be seeing how your average music (illegal)  downloader responds.

As anyone who's paid attention to the comments of torrent files has seen, people will use virtually any excuse to 'justify' downloading of something.  A popular one has to be "If i buy the CD in the store, most of that purchase does not go to the artist."  Also along the lines are "not wanting to support the labels that sue people", "A CD costs 20 cents, why should this cost fifteen dollars" and many other variants, all flawed and stupid.

Radiohead gives all those downloaders the chance to put their money where their mouth is.  It's guaranteed that people who would have otherwise downloaded it for free will now pay money to the band.  I think what they are doing is worth supporting to some degree.  Voting with your dollar will show other bands and companies that stuff like this that benefits both the consumer and the band, is worth doing.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 02, 2007, 11:43:38 AM
I know of a few people on other forums that are actually stoked and telling everyone they pre-ordered the mp3's for $0. I guess they don't really care about honor systems... irritating.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: Bairman on October 02, 2007, 11:46:02 AM
I know of a few people on other forums that are actually stoked and telling everyone they pre-ordered the mp3's for $0. I guess they don't really care about honor systems... irritating.

There's a big surprise.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: Conor on October 02, 2007, 12:16:56 PM
Well you can't prevent that.  But making people think about what music is worth to them is an interesting exercise.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 02, 2007, 12:26:34 PM
I know you can't avoid it but watching people that were "self-confessed Radiohead fans" saying they weren't going to pay anything for the album was a bit aggravating to see. I still think they had to give their credit card info even if they weren't going to pay for it.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: hare.29 on October 02, 2007, 12:47:43 PM
I still think they had to give their credit card info even if they weren't going to pay for it.

So it's possible that their website intro text will change to 'Gotcha, you cheap bastards!' in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 02, 2007, 12:49:26 PM
Well at any rate I hope they keep track of who pays and who doesn't and those that didn't pay get what they pay for.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on October 02, 2007, 10:59:54 PM
What is the reasoning behind calling MP3s half assed?  Because they're not distributing it in a FLAC format that 99.5% of the population has no interest in listening to?  Or something I'm not thinking of?

No that's about it. If I am going to buy digital music I am not going to buy lossy mp3s as an archival form, just because lots of people are happy with mp3's doesn't mean I have to be.  I made that decision a long time ago. No I don't buy iTunes either.

Same here... I'll download albums illegally in mp3 to check them out, but if I'm paying and I have the choice I'm going to pay less than I would for the full  CD with cover art and lossless sound


Also, hasn't even Pearl Jam started selling their live shows in FLAC?  The Dead, Gov't Mule, Metallica, Dave Matthews Band, Phish, King Crimson, etc all sell stuff as FLAC through their websites....  Granted though this is a different situation where the album's coming out in what sounds like 5-6 months anyway, so all that's really needed is a couple dollar mp3 sample anyway...  Not the best model for the RIAA and etc to watch really...
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: The Televator on October 03, 2007, 03:04:06 PM
I like the idea of the mp3 format (even if it isn't FLAC). I have been a big Radiohead fan for years and went to their MSG concert last year so I have no issue buying the downloads at $20. I think the new album won't be 4573895734895 dollars as people are thinking now, I am guessing at most $25. Smart move by them in my opinion.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 03, 2007, 04:40:08 PM
Is the site still wiggy, or can you actually buy the .mp3's.  I was on a couple days ago and it kept freezing up on me.  I would pay a premium for more Radiohead.  After Thom Yorke's solo album, I'm pretty excited to see what is next.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: The Televator on October 03, 2007, 04:45:23 PM
Is the site still wiggy, or can you actually buy the .mp3's.  I was on a couple days ago and it kept freezing up on me.  I would pay a premium for more Radiohead.  After Thom Yorke's solo album, I'm pretty excited to see what is next.

Yorke's solo was very good, in my opinion. I liked Harrowdown Hill personally as well as And It Rained All Night.

Speaking of solo albums, did you ever hear Bodysong by Jonny Greenwood?
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 04, 2007, 08:42:16 AM
Bodysong is a badass soundtrack. The movie's pretty cool to watch as well, I own them both.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: The Televator on October 04, 2007, 11:37:03 AM
Bodysong is a badass soundtrack. The movie's pretty cool to watch as well, I own them both.

I thought the documentary was very good, its a shame it didn't catch attention in the American audience.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 04, 2007, 01:32:19 PM
I'll have to buy bodysong.  Thanks fellas.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: The Televator on October 08, 2007, 09:45:37 AM
I'll have to buy bodysong.  Thanks fellas.
I don't think you'll regret it, I love it and I am sure other people that got it did as well.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 08, 2007, 11:54:45 AM
I bought the new Radiohead for 10 pounds yesterday.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on October 08, 2007, 12:27:06 PM
$20 for mp3's of an album that's being released on CD next year?
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 08, 2007, 12:29:04 PM
$20 for mp3's of an album that's being released on CD next year?

Well, I ripped off the last two albums, and Yorke's solo one, so I owe them some money anyway.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on October 09, 2007, 04:42:32 PM

THE ALBUM WILL COME AS A 48.4MB ZIP FILE CONTAINING 10 X 160KBPS DRM FREE MP3s.


uber lame
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 09, 2007, 04:53:00 PM

THE ALBUM WILL COME AS A 48.4MB ZIP FILE CONTAINING 10 X 160KBPS DRM FREE MP3s.


uber lame

That does suck.  Even Pearl Jam releases them at 192 kbps.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on October 09, 2007, 04:57:00 PM
No shit, the only people they're higher than is iTunes (maybe, I'm not sure if they're 192 or not).....  either way, glad I only payed $5
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 09, 2007, 04:59:41 PM
I think they are still 128 unless it's EMI then it's 256.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on October 09, 2007, 05:03:07 PM
that's such a fucking weird jump....  I know it's double, but still...  I don't understand pay downloads, they still don't seem worth it to me yet unless it's something like MuleTracks where I'm buying the entire show I  was at (2-4 discs) in FLAC for $15
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: Shelly_Marsh on October 09, 2007, 06:21:34 PM
This is a little off point... but radiohead is my favorite band.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: Minnesota on October 09, 2007, 06:42:20 PM
Kinda surprised no one has mentioned this yet ...

Oasis & NIN have followed suit
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9794138-7.html
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on October 09, 2007, 07:00:04 PM
I hadn't heard that, but that's the greatest news I've heard in a while
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on October 10, 2007, 08:37:29 AM
Got my email 8 hours ago apparently, downloaded in under a minute  :o
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: msmpls on October 10, 2007, 10:14:47 AM
downloaded.

it's pretty decent...especially for free!!!!
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 10, 2007, 02:10:39 PM
Listening to it now!
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on October 10, 2007, 07:22:43 PM
I really liked it too.... when my friend didn't understand what I was telling him about it in earlier via text I decided to confuse him more and give the review: "Everything except first 2 are chill as albino ice cream sex and melt into each other just the same"
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on October 13, 2007, 09:01:52 PM
I'm really digging In Rainbows.  Worth every non-existent penny.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 21, 2007, 08:20:59 AM
Try this out!
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2378/1674056652_52a3f7e313_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on October 21, 2007, 02:19:12 PM
sounds like the idea with Tool's Lateralus only less creative... but on the third track and it's pretty cool so far, but now I can't skip ahead to the next track when i get bored of the computer singing
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 21, 2007, 02:29:41 PM
I really am liking "Faust Arp" right now.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: pyro on October 22, 2007, 12:47:43 PM
my friend hates that song and calls it filler, but I'm with you on it....

also, on 01 and 10, there's apparently more to the story:

http://puddlegum.net/radiohead-01-and-10/

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Radiohead: 01 and 10
October 20th 2007 by Flick

RadioheadTen years after OK Computer shocked the world, Radiohead released In Rainbows on October 10 (10/10). Though no one was expecting the album to be released until 2008, Radiohead announced In Rainbows just ten days in advance. In Rainbows, which consists of ten letters, has ten tracks, and would be downloadable from a rumored ten servers.

Radiohead preceded the release of In Rainbows with nine cryptic messages. They repeatedly emphasized X, the Roman Numeral for ten, in phrases such as “March Wa X”, and “Xendless Xurbia”. The tenth message was posted on October 10 with a photo of the band drinking tea.

There has been a lot of speculation over Radiohead’s emphasis of ten surrounding the release of In Rainbows. One theory suggests that Radiohead was typifying a binary code of ones and zeros, 1010101010. This has come to be known as the Binary Theory, also called the TENspiracy by some.

Puddlegum first addressed the Binary Theory in Radiohead: 1010101010. Someone associated with Thom Yorke contacted Puddlegum, sharing Thom’s reaction to Puddlegum’s article:

    “The meaning behind all of this is right in front of our faces, we’re just overlooking it. [Thom] has been expecting an article much like this one for a couple of years, as have I. But I’m willing to wager he’ll have fun waiting a few more. On the other hand, it seems to annoy him that no one ‘gets it’ yet, given the mountain of clues.”

Ten days after our original article, we have come to believe that OK Computer and In Rainbows were meant to complement each other. During the writing and recording process of OK Computer, Radiohead used the working title of Zeros and Ones. If OK Computer is represented by 01, and In Rainbows is represented by 10, then we have 01 and 10. In binary code 01 and 10 complement each other.

Consider that In Rainbows was meant to complement OK Computer, musically, lyrically, and in structure. We found that the two albums can be knit together beautifully. By combining the tracks to form one playlist, 01 and 10, we have a remarkable listening experience. The transitions between the songs are astounding, and it appears that this was done purposefully.

The lyrics also seem to complement each other. There appears to be a concept flowing through the 01 and 10 playlist. Ideas in one song is picked up by the next, such as “Pull me out of the aircrash,” and “When I’m at the pearly gates, this will be my videotape.”


I think there's something more to it still though...  the alternating tracks seems a little too easy and it doesn't sound quite right to me on the first listen
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 22, 2007, 01:44:16 PM
You'd think it would be something a little more witty since it's Radiohead, but who knows.
Title: Re: Radiohead follows Creative Commons example sorta
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on October 23, 2007, 08:54:14 AM
I put together the playlist for these two albums and listened to most of it.  While they seem to flow together nicely enough, I have a feeling I could do this with a lot of other band's albums and get a similar result.  Like you said, it seems a bit too simple.  That being said, these two albums are both excellent, and combining them doesn't detract from their awesomeness.