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Title: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 24, 2007, 06:05:58 AM
I'm not sure if there's a thread devoted to your computer(s), so here one is.

The last relic of my 1st computer I had finally died last night after 7 years.. My 19" Gateway CRT Monitor.
I Just ordered a Nice 22" wide screen LCD monitor through the Price Watch ( http://www.pricewatch.com/ ) website this morning to replace it - I Love This Site.
I don't know why it caused me to think of creating this thread, as I now have a total of 7 computers (including an 8 camera, 500gb video storage surveillance computer system) that I built over the years, all networked on an 8 port wired (no Wireless option) LinkSys router, and all run my small business. I have upgraded all of them recently (adding memory, adding bigger hard drives, adding/replacing multiple DVD burners, to replacing the entire motherboard, processor & memory combo in 1 unit so far.). I even started dreaming of getting a Quad 4 Duo 2 processor, w/ motherboard, and 3gb memory combo for $700 but I just don't need it unless one of them has a catastrophic hardware failure.

I used to be into hot rods and muscle cars back in the 80's & through the 90's but now I'm into 'sooping up' computers :D

Post your experiences, new purchases, upgrades, pics (if you've got them), and more.
I am by no means an expert, but sharing your knowledge can help us all in this "Age of the Internet"!

Here's one that I built back in Feb. 2004 when we got 18" of snow here in our area. This is probably my favorite. Named 'light show' as it is completely luminescent with LED's. It now has 6 hard drives totaling 2 Terra bites of storage. When I'm online, this is usually the computer I'm using..
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/Mar06045.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Chaos on August 24, 2007, 06:53:37 AM
Your computer is much cooler than mine. I just got a "new" replacement computer this week, to take the place of my old computer that was lost when my basement flooded last month.

It's an Athlon x64 4400, 2 gig DDR2 RAM, 250 gig primary drive, 120 gig secondary drive, and I'll be putting in either a 1024 dual chip or 512 single chip NVidia card sometime next month when I get the check from my insurance company.

Right now, I am in the process of removing Vista and formatting the drive so I can put a real OS on it, probably going to go with Ubuntu for now. It's taking more time than I usually devote to a new computer because I still don't have my office back, so I don't really have a place to put it. That, and Vista is the most annoyingly embeded operating system I've ever seen, which appears to be specifically designed to try to prevent you from taking it off the hard drive or formatting the drive - monopoly? What's a monopoly?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 24, 2007, 07:12:35 AM
Monopoly is Multiple computers using the same OS & same serial #.. Vista hasn't produced one yet that I'm aware of. I've heard too many horror stories to think of using Vista right now. I'll wait another year or two. It's bad enough maintaining what I've got right now than to learn/fight with a whole new OS.

I have a 'Volume Version' disc of XP Pro for use on multiple computers using the same serial # like all mine.

Sounds like a cool new set up you have. I had 1 AMD based board and processor and it just didn't perform as good as the Intel based setups I'm using currently..  I don't do a whole lot of gaming, but for performance with my business operations, the Intel's have served me well!
All of my processors I'm using currently are the older Pentium 4's; none are less than 3GB processors and they are still pretty fast when performing multiple functions.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Chaos on August 24, 2007, 07:58:17 PM
Monopoly is Multiple computers using the same OS & same serial #.. Vista hasn't produced one yet that I'm aware of. I've heard too many horror stories to think of using Vista right now. I'll wait another year or two. It's bad enough maintaining what I've got right now than to learn/fight with a whole new OS.

I have a 'Volume Version' disc of XP Pro for use on multiple computers using the same serial # like all mine.

Sounds like a cool new set up you have. I had 1 AMD based board and processor and it just didn't perform as good as the Intel based setups I'm using currently..  I don't do a whole lot of gaming, but for performance with my business operations, the Intel's have served me well!
All of my processors I'm using currently are the older Pentium 4's; none are less than 3GB processors and they are still pretty fast when performing multiple functions.

"Trust" probably would have been a better term than "monopoly," but I was tired. Trust, as in, Microsoft tries to force people to use their products and limit their alternatives - which is why the United States has anti-trust laws, and why Microsoft has been up on charges numerous times for potential violations of said laws (I'm too lazy to check if they have ever actually had to pay any fines for it, but my guess offhand would be that they have, just not enough to stop).

I also have a multi-machine licence for XP pro, because I have to use it for my work machine, and since my employer was footing the bill, I made them pay to upgrade my other systems and network along with it. For personal use, I'm much more into Linux, because it takes far less resources to run (or, to put it another way, takes less resources to exist on your machine whether you are actively using it or not), which gives you much more resources to do what you actually wanted to do. (BTW, not trying to convert anyone, before I get flamed for mentioning the dreaded L-Word, just stating why I personally choose to use it)

As far as the P4 versus Core Duo processor argument, the current Dual processors are only a little bit better than the really high end P4s (which it sounds like you have) for day to day stuff, since the first and second gen versions of the dual processors sacrificed throughput capabilities for more raw power (same thing with the current incarnations of DDR2 technology for memory and video card chipsets - they have more power, but have to work harder to deliver that power... this will improve significantly in future versions as companies get better at working with micro-electronics and find better ways to deal with friction on the microscopic level). You wouldn't really notice any MAJOR difference between a high end P4 and a mid-range Dual at this point unless you were doing some really intense graphics work, or playing games that used a lot of high end, demanding functions.

As far as AMD vs. Intel goes, I don't really have any brand loyalty either way. AMD has been more willing to take risks and try new things over the past 6 years or so than Intel has, which is both a good and bad thing - faster innovation, better overall technology at the end of the pipeline, but some costly mistakes along the way (most notably, their processors from 4-5 years ago having a tendency to burn out in about 20 seconds if the heatsink stopped working, because they were forcing too much power through them to keep up with Intel's already established benchmarks because of their time in the industry). The AMD chips these days aren't much different than the Intel ones, other than being slightly cheaper (always a plus to the nerd on a budget).

But the real technology I want to get my hands on is from Sun. They've always made the best chips, it's just that they're only available for high end servers. But they announced a couple of weeks ago that they're going to make a commercial version of their EIGHT core processor (the first version of this chip was only for servers, but they decided just recently to expand on that). The chip has 8 cores, each with 8 threads, for 64 total simultaneous threads. It also has better throughput and  energy efficiency than anything else on the market... plus it's less than a thousand bucks right now for the server version. The retail version should be something relatively similar. Would you pay $900 for a 16.8 GhZ processor? ;)

Hmm... that was a long post. Apparently, I like  computers. :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 24, 2007, 08:15:39 PM
WOW!! Impressive! :clap: :clap: :clap:

That 'Eight' core processor sounds F'N Awsome though! ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tarantulas on August 24, 2007, 08:42:56 PM
(http://www.altairkit.com/images/061119-completed_altair_1974.jpg)

Sorry... my system PWNS yours.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 24, 2007, 08:44:10 PM
 :speechless: :scared: :scared:

DAYYUM!!!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on August 25, 2007, 12:33:06 AM
I have a Athlon64 Dual Core 2.6Ghz processor, with 2GB of RAM, and one 250 GB Hard Drive, and an ATI Radeon 256mb Video card.  and i have 2 external HD that are 160 GB each.  And im running Vista Home Premium(32-bit edition).

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/l_97e7f35ca013279cfa7858ed67c3688a.jpg)

and no, apparently, my friend can't set the damn time stamp on his camera :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: ChrisHanel on August 25, 2007, 12:47:49 AM
I'm running on a Sony Vaio AR170 laptop, which has caused me to completely abandon my technologically superior and more robust Vaio desktop system sitting behind a bunch of clutter. I don't like switching between workstations, so I've ended up having to pick which of my children is my favorite, and it's the laptop hands down. The screen is pristine and huge, its specs are beast-like for a portable machine, and my Verizon wireless broadband card means Starbucks can take their Hotspot subscription rates and shove them up their stupid asses. :D

Also, I have a really cool WoW decal on my casing, i'll take pics when I'm not blisteringly drunk.*

-Chris

*poster is not actually drunk, but it's a great excuse
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Minnesota on August 25, 2007, 12:58:27 AM
my cube's been running strong for about eight year's now (yes it runs the latest os)

(http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/cubes.jpg)

as for my regular PC... pretty standard stuff
3 ghz pent4, 200gb harddrive, 1 gig ram, DVD+RW

also, my laptop died after a year's use (compaq laptops suck)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 25, 2007, 05:55:32 AM
I know Nothing about Apple (Mac), but that's a pretty cool cube!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on August 25, 2007, 09:34:45 AM
(http://www.altairkit.com/images/061119-completed_altair_1974.jpg)

Sorry... my system PWNS yours.

DAMN!! That is one hell of a cool unit!!

I'd proudly display that thing front and center, even if it didn't work!
(I'm not joking here, I love old technology, and the styling of old components! Heck, I even own a Mac Performa 575!!)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Chaos on August 25, 2007, 09:51:51 AM
We had a cube in our office when I worked for an ISP several years ago (anyone a former customer of Teleport in Portland, Oregon before they got bought out by Earthlink? then chances are, you've spoken to me on the phone). We used it to run the one copy of OS 10 we had, since half the techs didn't actually use Macs, so had to actually go over to the machine and walk through a setup / troubleshoot along with the customer when they got a call from a Mac user. Other than that, we just used it to watch movies on when the call volume was low. ;)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: ChrisHanel on August 25, 2007, 09:53:47 AM
I was in Tech Support at Mattel for a bit. We played Counterstrike, especially on holidays when nobody was calling in. I also had a really nice MAME collection on my machine. Upset the supervisors something horrible, but my numbers were great so they never did anything about it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: the long undertow on August 25, 2007, 09:59:22 AM
My pc isn't all that impressive.  I just add more RAM or a new video card or hoard drive when I need to.  I'm currently trying to decide whether I should spend around $300 for a gforce 8800 and 2GB of RAM, but then I got to thinking about upcoming stuff like Guitar Hero 3 and Rock Band and am trying to decide if a game console would be a better choice.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 25, 2007, 10:00:54 AM
I'm my own Tech support especially during Tax Season.. ;D
I need to keep all mine up and running, as efficient as possible so as to minimize the down time, and Rake in the Money! :D :D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Chaos on August 25, 2007, 01:27:37 PM
I assume you're some kind of certified accountant or consultant then?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 25, 2007, 01:43:24 PM
I assume you're some kind of certified accountant or consultant then?
I am (my business is) a Certifying Acceptance Agent of the Internal Revenue Service ( the only ones in Rock Hill, SC.: http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96883,00.html ) specializing in Latino income taxes for those working with invalid Social Security Numbers, where Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITIN's) are assigned by the IRS through their Form W-7 and inturn documents them (see more at my website.. http://www.antunez-vanremmen-si.org/ ). We're under special contract with the IRS specifically for their unique income tax preparation. And Yes; Business is Good!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Chaos on August 25, 2007, 01:47:51 PM
That's cool. I'm actually about to enroll in the CGA program to couple with my existing computer training / experience (I'm planning to get involved in something like financial software development once I'm done with the certification process).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 25, 2007, 01:50:21 PM
That's cool. I'm actually about to enroll in the CGA program to couple with my existing computer training / experience (I'm planning to get involved in something like financial software development once I'm done with the certification process).
Nice! Maybe you could simplify Quick Books a little.. :D :D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: AmandaGal on August 25, 2007, 02:45:54 PM
I used to build my own PCs and was starting to case mod a little (very lamely but eh)...but then I decided I like laptops better and now I just have a Dell.

I know, I suck.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 25, 2007, 02:48:29 PM
I used to build my own PCs and was starting to case mod a little (very lamely but eh)...but then I decided I like laptops better and now I just have a Dell.

I know, I suck.
A DELL?! :gouge:
(just payback for the 'FrontPage' harassment.. :D :D)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: AmandaGal on August 25, 2007, 06:45:01 PM
Dells are still better than Frontpage  ;)

I don't care what anyone says, Dell has excellent tech support.  The other day I called because I accidentally broke my CD-Rom (note to self: not a cupholder. Actually it was much dumber than that.  I had ejected the drive and bent over the edge of my couch to get a new CD and tipped the PC and it broke in half because of the way it fell...oops) and I had it the next day at 8:00 am.  You can say a lot about Dell using cheap hardware and such, but I don't think I'd buy from anyone else because of service like that.  I had a Sony before this one and they sucked.  They had my computer for a month once, sent it back UNFIXED (they wouldn't just send a part...I begged them to just send the part.  It was a simple problem with the network card) and then kept it another month and still didn't fix it.  WTF?!   I just bought a new card and said screw it.  They may use better hardware but no way would I ever buy from them again.

It's a lot of fun to build your own PC, I admit that.  However, it's pretty time consuming.  It's a whole lot easier, even if less satisfying, to buy one.  Although, my first step is always to format the drive and set it up from scratch.  It was easier to build my own when my job involved futzing around with computers all day :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 25, 2007, 06:58:47 PM
HUH ???
You weren't talking to someone in India?!
With 7 computers, it's good to be able to pull a part from another if needed, and troubleshoot on yet another if one decides to 'evolve' a mind of it's own.. (it's happened  :speechless:)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: AmandaGal on August 25, 2007, 07:05:36 PM
I was talking to someone in India, lol, but if you know what you need they normally don't argue with you.  They also have an email and "online chat" so you don't have to talk to anyone at all.  Again, if you said, "This happened. I need this." and you act like you know what you're talking about, they just send out the part.

I used to do that RVR but it's harder with laptops.  My friend had a Toshiba who's harddrive was fried and Toshiba said the warranty didn't cover it.  I have a whole closet full of harddrives/drives/cards/etc. from old computers, laptops, computer show leftovers, etc...none of them were compatible.  Whereas, with my desktops, I can more or less go to a computer show and find something compatible at any table.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 25, 2007, 07:15:45 PM
I had the 'Great Fortune' of talking to Dell's tech support for my parents New computer (2 years ago when it was new) for something.. a memory upgrade I think, and I swear I thought I was going to be asked if I wanted a Slurpy too..

 :D I've got a cabinet full of misc hard parts as well (hard drives, motherboards, memory sticks, video cards, and a sh*t load of various cables)..
Even built a 'scrap' computer from spare parts specifically for removing viruses from other people's computers (well.. friends and family mostly :grr:)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Chaos on August 25, 2007, 07:41:18 PM
Dells are much better than a lot of the other OEM computers out there (Compaq, HP, eMachines, to name just a few). If I HAD to buy a pre-built OEM system, I would suggest either Dell or Acer for a fair combination of cost and quality (my new machine is an Acer, because it was an insurance replacement and I did not have the option to build it myself). But obviously, as a nerd, I highly recommend building your own system or paying your friendly neighborhood nerd a pizza and a six pack to build yours for you... you can get it for the same price (or less, thanks to overstock.com, pricewatch.com, or tiger-direct.com), and the quality will usually be 2-3 times better than any OEM machine, and it won't have shitty no-name or refurbished parts in it.

I had a friend when I lived in Oregon, who worked for Intel. The stuff he did with computers was crazy-scary. His favourite "trick" to do when he had friends coming over for a LAN party and one of them didn't have a machine they could bring was to build a new computer on the spot. He'd swing in to the local part store, grab a motherboard, hard drive, CPU, graphics card, memory, and all the trimmings - minus a case. Then he'd go home, take the motherboard out of the box, put it on top of the box, and connect everything up. I can think of at least 5 times I went over to his house to see one of his "caseless machines" up and running. Talk about disposable income...

Another time, he built this creepy looking airtight plastic case, surrounded by a second airtight plastic case, with a tube for all of the wires to come out of. He'd stick his computer in the inside case, hook it up, seal it, then fill the outside case with ice water and hook a cooling unit up to it. He claimed he managed to get an AMD chipset reliably overclocked to 2.0 GHz in this setup, back when the 1.1 GHz P3 chips were just brand new.

I wish I had some pictures of the crazy stuff he did with computers, but back when I knew him, "normal" people didn't have digital cameras... tragic.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 25, 2007, 07:54:46 PM
Well, my parents seem pretty satisfied with their $500 Dell desktop.. When their not calling me with a problem, Im Happy!

I gave my father my old Compaq Armada 700 laptop that I built a couple years back with a 1gb Pentium 4 processor, 1/2 gig SODIMM RAM, an internal DVD/CD burner, a 60Gig HD, and 3 extra Big @$$ Batteries, along with a flatbed scanner, a portable HP printer, and a carrying case for it all; the whole setup, as a retirement gift back in January, and he uses it more than the Dell. My Mother has basically taken over the Dell as her own anyway :D :D That truely is funny to watch sometimes.. "Stay Away from My Computer!!" :scared:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on August 25, 2007, 07:58:09 PM
ill second AmandaGal on Dell's customer service.  I recently(actually about a week ago) i was running all my routine update scans, and i got a notice to update my BIOS.  Well, i downloaded the update, and the program proceeded to flash the BIOS, and....................nothing.  The computer crashed, and when i restarted, low and behold, it completely erased the BIOS.  After about three hours on the phone, they told me that they didn't  know how that could have happened, but within 3 days, they sent a Technician with a brand new motherboard and processor, and at no cost to me.  Its things like that that keep people coming back.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Chaos on August 26, 2007, 04:23:25 AM
Wow... that really is good service.

That's almost as good as we used to be at Micron (anyone remember Micron? One of the first big name mail order computer companies). We had an entire division devoted to tech support, and a completely separate division related to warranty repair and replacement. I was on the tech support side, so I've got some weird and crazy stories about computers not working right... but you also used to hear some pretty weird stories from the warranty division, too.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on August 28, 2007, 06:47:12 PM
I have a 13 inch MacBook with a 2Ghz Intel Core Duo, 2 GB of Ram.  I have Parallels running with a Windows XP partition, and a Ubuntu partition.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 28, 2007, 06:51:54 PM
SWEEET..

Just got my 22" KDS lcd monitor this evening (using it currently).. AWSOME!!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: leeving on September 07, 2007, 12:55:18 AM
I'm expecting some new parts Friday night from Newegg.

INTEL |C2Q Q6600 2.40G ---- gonna try to overclock
TWIN2X2048-8500C5D -  2 gig
ASUS P5N-E SLI NF650I SLI
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB
 Seagate 400GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA HD

Went to Fry's today and got a few things:

Case:  Antec p180 , got an 182 in the box---better cable management.
Soundcard:  Creative  X-Fi XtremeGamer
DVD Burner: Samsung 18x SATA

I have 2 Plextors in this current rig, but i am trying to stay away from IDE.  I also have a 250 gig SATA HD I'll be using, and then a 250G IDE external via Firewire.

right now I'm using a Athlon XP +3200  - ati x700 - 2g generic DDR ram,  a new 19" LG wide LCD monitor.  So this will be a nice change.

I'm gonna look into liquid cooling next month.


I got a good antec truepower 650w in this rig, so I'll be using that.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: PsypherPunk on September 07, 2007, 05:15:14 AM
I was just wandering around the local charity shops on my lunch break and spotted one of these:

(http://techdigest.tv/zxspectrum.jpg)

Want!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on September 07, 2007, 11:41:44 AM
I'm expecting some new parts Friday night from Newegg.

INTEL |C2Q Q6600 2.40G ---- gonna try to overclock
TWIN2X2048-8500C5D -  2 gig
ASUS P5N-E SLI NF650I SLI
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB
 Seagate 400GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA HD

Went to Fry's today and got a few things:

Case:  Antec p180 , got an 182 in the box---better cable management.
Soundcard:  Creative  X-Fi XtremeGamer
DVD Burner: Samsung 18x SATA

I have 2 Plextors in this current rig, but i am trying to stay away from IDE.  I also have a 250 gig SATA HD I'll be using, and then a 250G IDE external via Firewire.

right now I'm using a Athlon XP +3200  - ati x700 - 2g generic DDR ram,  a new 19" LG wide LCD monitor.  So this will be a nice change.

I'm gonna look into liquid cooling next month.


I got a good antec truepower 650w in this rig, so I'll be using that.

That sounds pretty badass, I just built my brother a computer with these specs last weekend.

ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard
EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
mushkin 550150 ATX12V 750W Maximum Power; 650W Continuous Power Power Supply
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor
Patriot eXtreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel
Seagate 80GB SATA II 8MB Cache HD
and an old case I had that has some pretty good ventilation and his old DVD drives with some other misc. crap. I also gave him my copy of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and tested it out and it looks really nice on the highest settings. The only thing that sucks is the video card gets really hot when playing games or videos.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2007, 01:08:05 PM
This is my Apevia X-QPACK (nicknamed 'The Borg')

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/X-QPACK-BL-0_500.jpg)
& This is what I'll be Upgrading it to Very Soon..

Asus P5L-VM 1394 Board

Specifications
•   Mfr Part Number: P5L-VM 1394
•   CPU: Socket 775 support Intel Core 2 Extreme/ Core 2 Duo/ Pentium D/ Pentium 4/ Celeron D processor; Compatible with Intel 06/05B/05A processors; Support Intel next generation 65nm CPU; Support Intel EM64T/EIST/Hyper-Threading Technology; FSB 1066/800/533 MHz
•   Chipset: Intel 945G & ICH7
•   Memory: 4x 240pin DDR2-667/533 DIMMs, Dual Channel, non-ECC/un-buffered, Max capacity 4GB
•   Slots: 1x PCI Express x16 slot; 1x PCI Express x1 slot; 2x PCI 2.2 slot
•   IDE/SATA: 1x ATA-100 channel; 4x SATA2 ports
•   Audio: Realtek ALC883 6 channel High Definition Audio CODEC
•   Video: Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 Graphics Controller
•   LAN: Attansic PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
•   Ports: 8x USB 2.0 ports (4 rear, 4 by headers); 2x IEEE1394a ports (1 rear, 1 by header); 2x PS/2 ports; 1x Parallel port; 1x VGA port; 1x RJ45 LAN port; Audio I/O jack
•   Form Factor: Micro ATX, 9.6 x 9.6 inch / 24.5 x 24.5 cm
•   Package: Retail
Uses The Intel GMA950 Integrated Graphics (Moderate Gaming & Video) Or A Separate PCI Express X16 Video Card

Uses The Newer & Faster DDR2 667/800 (4 Slots Max 4GB)

Integrated Firewire (IEEE1394)


   Core 2 Quad Q6600
   (4 x 2.4GHz - 1066FSB
   8MB Cache) Processor
   Fan / Heatsink - Ultra Quiet Performance (Aluminun w/ Copper Core- 92mm fan - 34CFM - 19dBA)

3GB DDR2 800MHz (Dual Channel Kit) –
Ultra High Speed / Large Memory Capacity
Contains (2) 1GB and (2) 512MB Dual Channel
PC6400 DDR2-800 Memory Modules
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 13, 2007, 10:18:45 AM
WOO-HOO!!!

JUST PLACED MY ORDER WITH "PORTATECH.COM" THROUGH 'PRICE WATCH':

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1 cb-intel Combo with Intel CPU
  Core 2 Quad Q6600 ( 4 x 2.4GHz - 1066FSB - 8MB Cache)
  Asus P5L-VM 1394

  Fan / Heatsink - Ultimate Copper Heatpipe (Copper Heatpipe Design - 92mm fan - 46CFM - 24dBA)

  3GB DDR2 800MHz (Dual Channel Kit) - Ultra High Speed / Large Memory Capacity

  Expedited Order Processing

  Assemble, Setup, Pretest, & Set CPU FSB & Power / Cooling - Motherboard Combo

 2 Year Direct Replacement Warranty (With Free - Lifetime Tech Support)

1 plat-del Platinum Delivery Plan (Full Insurance - Heavier Packing - On Time Guarantee) $6.75

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
  Sub-Total: $679.83
  Sales Tax: $0.00
  Freight: $0.00 FREE
  Total: $679.83
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 24, 2007, 10:04:26 AM
Well.. Things Didn't go exactly as planned for my upgrade listed above (but, they hardly Ever do..)

Everything went well initially; installing the board, etc., along with loading the drivers as well.

But then I tried to install the board I just took out to put into another computer (the clear acrylic one I am currently using), and..
It Just caused the Whole system to Crash to the point it would Not boot up under any circumstances! for over 6 hours I'd pull it apart & rebuild it, go into the BIOS to change a setting, but to No Avail! I just put everything back together as it was originally, and now have this spare MicroATX board, 3.4Ghz Hyperthreading processor w/ 3 GBs of Memory. Sooo.. I started thinking what the best option was to do with this extra board and stuff and decided to buy another portable desktop case:

  http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=11-133-035-02.jpg%2c11-133-035-03.jpg%2c11-133-035-04.jpg%2c11-133-035-05.jpg%2c11-133-035-06.jpg%2c11-133-035-07.jpg%2c11-133-035-08.jpg%2c11-133-035-09.jpg%2c11-133-035-10.jpg%2c11-133-035-11.jpg%2c11-133-035-12.jpg%2c11-133-035-13.jpg%2c11-133-035-14.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&Depa=0&Description=Thermaltake+VF1000BWS+Black+Computer+Case+With+Side+Panel+Window

along with 2 Lite On SATA 20x burners & 1) 750gb SATA hard drive & 1) 500gb SATA hard drive + 1) 400gb EIDE hard drive I had sitting around, I'll have built my 8th computer by next week! I Think I'll use it to store my MST3k episodes and also use it for my Pinnacle Studio 9 software I use for my RiffTrax conversions.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hare.29 on October 24, 2007, 12:27:22 PM
Ha. My system owns ya'll's. My desktop at home is a 6+ year old system, 0.9GHz AMD processor, 0.75GB RAM, with a 128MB video card, 20GB HD, 160GB HD (where all my MST episodes live), 4X DVD burner, and a floppy drive. It ran win2K until about 1.5 years ago (XP now). But it does have a nice case. I've been meaning to upgrade it for the last two-three years, but it's so much work to figure out what to get, what's incompatible with what, etc. Maybe when I get a job offer here in a few months, I'll start an 'upgrade my PC thread' since there seem to be a lot of computer geeks here.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 24, 2007, 12:36:41 PM
Ha. My system owns ya'll's. My desktop at home is a 6+ year old system, 0.9GHz AMD processor, 0.75GB RAM, with a 128MB video card, 20GB HD, 160GB HD (where all my MST episodes live), 4X DVD burner, and a floppy drive. It ran win2K until about 1.5 years ago (XP now). But it does have a nice case. I've been meaning to upgrade it for the last two-three years, but it's so much work to figure out what to get, what's incompatible with what, etc. Maybe when I get a job offer here in a few months, I'll start an 'upgrade my PC thread' since there seem to be a lot of computer geeks here.
WHOAH!!!
You've Gotta Post some Pics of THAT One!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hare.29 on October 24, 2007, 12:55:22 PM
Heh. That's nothin'. My donation to my previous lab was a leftover-parts based machine that was based on an old P3 processor and an 8GB HD. And they'll use it, because stupid scientific equipment makers refuse to support their own technology if it's more than 15 years old. Hey, we're poor scientists, it works fine, why should we drop $20k just so we can use XP with it?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Grillslinger on October 24, 2007, 01:04:52 PM
Is it possible to upgrade a video card on a laptop?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Chaos on October 24, 2007, 01:17:41 PM
Usually not (or at least, not on your own). You'd have to speak to the manufacturer to find out. Generally speaking, laptops have built in, "shared" memory video cards, and are non-upgradeable. But if it was built with an actual card of some sort in there, the manufacturer should theoretically be able to update it for you if you send it into them or bring it into a local tech office (but don't count on it).

In my experience, if you even CAN upgrade a laptop, it's far cheaper to just get a new one with what you want in it from the get-go. OEMs still aren't building laptops very ecologically smart in Western countries.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 04, 2007, 05:54:40 AM
Well, I Finally got my 'Lan Box' put together after making some hardware changes..
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/11-133-035-02.jpg)
Pros: The 'Heavy-Duty' Handle! Excellent break-down design and steel construction! Can easily fit over 2 Terabytes of hard drive storage in this case, along with 2 DVD burners, and fit a large ATI All in Wonder X1800XL video card comfortably!
Cons: Air flow design! With 2 hard drives blocking the intake fan on the front, the only other access for air flow is the side vents, and with a large video card, this air flow is resricted that much more. Easily rectified though by 'moding' it a bit with 2) 80mm intake fans, for more 'cross-flow' across the motherboard.
Other Thoughts: I even went with a 60mm to 80mm fan adapter to mount an 80mm fan where the optional 60mm fan could be mounted in the back. Overall, I will Definitly buy another one in the future!
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/dg33tl_lg.jpg)
All USB, and Firewire plug-in options with 6 ondoard SATA connections, 6 channel surround sound, added 3gb od DDR2 800, and a Q6600 Intel Core2 Quad processor.
This thing Is Friggin Fast!! And to top it off:
 (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/aiwx1800xl_02.jpg)
with TV. Don't do a lot of gaming, but the option is Definitly There now.. Perfect for my video editing software for my RiffTrax conversions! ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hare.29 on December 06, 2007, 10:11:43 AM
Ok, I'm building my new computer- dual-core AMD, 3GB RAM, etc. My question to you, valued forumites, is: What flavour of Windows should I go with? XP Home/Pro, Vista Home Basic/Pro/the other one. And, can I just get a system builder version or do I need a retail version? I've been running win2k and yeah, it's time to upgrade.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on December 06, 2007, 10:19:35 AM
I'd stick with XP. My advice also would be to get one of the newer Intel Core 2 Duo processors (ie. E6750) they seem to be quick a bit quicker than what AMD is offering at the moment. Hopefully AMD will pull themselves up by their bootstraps and start kicking Intel's ass like they used too.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: AmandaGal on December 06, 2007, 10:19:52 AM
I know this is sacreligious, but I kinda like Vista.  Office '07 is nice too (you can run that on XP).  The integrated search is great and now I find that when I'm using XP, I miss it.  And the other new features . . .

Ok, so that's the only great feature I can name, but it really is handy if you have a ton of files and programs.  On the flipside, I don't think Vista is that different from XP, so I wouldn't recommend upgrading just because, but if you're going to have a fast new system you might as well.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 06, 2007, 10:35:23 AM
XP pro! Seriously.. I'd hold off on Vista till later in 08 or into 09. I'd let MicroSoft work out the bugs 1st before going to Vista.
XP is very stable, and pretty universal when it comes to various processors out there.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on December 06, 2007, 05:01:50 PM
I'd say XP Pro. It's insanely stable, and it's handled everything I've ever thrown at it in terms of driver compatibility.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: AmandaGal on December 06, 2007, 05:10:39 PM
Oh fine.  If you guys are going to be all logical. ;)

Although, I do agree with all the XP support.  I just don't think Vista is the beast it's been made out to be.  Of course XP is going to be more stable though.  It's been around for a while.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: mike5150 on December 06, 2007, 05:24:50 PM
I'm not sure if there's a thread devoted to your computer(s), so here one is.

The last relic of my 1st computer I had finally died last night after 7 years.. My 19" Gateway CRT Monitor.
I Just ordered a Nice 22" wide screen LCD monitor through the Price Watch ( http://www.pricewatch.com/ ) website this morning to replace it - I Love This Site.
I don't know why it caused me to think of creating this thread, as I now have a total of 7 computers (including an 8 camera, 500gb video storage surveillance computer system) that I built over the years, all networked on an 8 port wired (no Wireless option) LinkSys router, and all run my small business. I have upgraded all of them recently (adding memory, adding bigger hard drives, adding/replacing multiple DVD burners, to replacing the entire motherboard, processor & memory combo in 1 unit so far.). I even started dreaming of getting a Quad 4 Duo 2 processor, w/ motherboard, and 3gb memory combo for $700 but I just don't need it unless one of them has a catastrophic hardware failure.

I used to be into hot rods and muscle cars back in the 80's & through the 90's but now I'm into 'sooping up' computers :D

Post your experiences, new purchases, upgrades, pics (if you've got them), and more.
I am by no means an expert, but sharing your knowledge can help us all in this "Age of the Internet"!

Here's one that I built back in Feb. 2004 when we got 18" of snow here in our area. This is probably my favorite. Named 'light show' as it is completely luminescent with LED's. It now has 6 hard drives totaling 2 Terra bites of storage. When I'm online, this is usually the computer I'm using..
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/Mar06045.jpg)
that is suweet..............can   I    have  it? :-*
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 06, 2007, 05:31:45 PM
 :D :D :D Thanks!
It's a bit dirty these days.. I need to upgrade the motherboard, processor, and memory something fierce! (It's going on 4 years old)
That'll be my project for 08. ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 23, 2008, 02:21:17 PM
Well, that computer shown at the beginning of this thread (and above also) ,is about to get a Serious Hardware Upgrade this weekend:

The parts just arrived today from NewEgg!
They are as follows:

ASUS P5KC LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Motherboard
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/13-131-188-04.jpg)

Intel Core2 Duo E6850 3.0GHZ processor

A Thermaltake CL-P0401 110mm Full-Range Fan CPU Cooler (This thing Is HUGE!)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/35-106-102-02.jpg)

3GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066 Dual Channel memory (2 X 1GB, and 2 X 512 MB)

and a ATI All-In-Wonder X1900 256MB GDDR3 PCIe video card I bought on Ebay
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/aiwx1900_02.jpg)

along with 2 SATA Lite-On DVD Multi Burners, 2- 500gig SATA Hard Drives, and 1 - 750gig SATA Hard Drive


Everything original (FIC P4 865PE Dynasty, 3GB Socket 478 CPU, and 3 gigs DDR 333 PC2700 RAM, and ATI All in Wonder X800XL AGP video card) is about 4 years old (not the all in wonder - 1 to 2 years old), and is starting to act like it's about to fall apart and/or crash so again this will be a Serious Boost of performance!



EDIT: Oh yeah; forgot to mention the 680w 'Iceberg' power supply from Apevia powering it all ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on January 23, 2008, 02:25:44 PM
I hate to tell you this now, but if you waited till Monday or Tuesday you could have got  this processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037&Tpk=e8400). Nice upgrade though.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on January 23, 2008, 02:31:58 PM
Well, that computer shown at the beginning of this thread (and above also) ,is about to get a Serious Hardware Upgrade this weekend:

The parts just arrived today from NewEgg!
They are as follows:

ASUS P5KC LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Motherboard

Intel Core2 Duo E6850 3.0GHZ processor

A Thermaltake CL-P0401 110mm Full-Range Fan CPU Cooler (This thing Is HUGE!)

3GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066 Dual Channel memory (2 X 1GB, and 2 X 512 MB)

and a ATI All-In-Wonder X1900 256MB GDDR3 PCIe video card I bought on Ebay

along with 2 SATA Lite-On DVD Multi Burners, 2- 500gig SATA Hard Drives, and 1 - 750gig SATA Hard Drive


Everything original (FIC P4 865PE Dynasty, 3GB Socket 478 CPU, and 3 gigs DDR 333 PC2700 RAM, and ATI All in Wonder X800XL AGP video card) is about 4 years old (not the all in wonder - 1 to 2 years old), and is starting to act like it's about to fall apart and/or crash so again this will be a Serious Boost of performance!


Looks like a nice set of upgrades!

I prefer Zalman for cooling, myself. Not long ago I bought a Thermaltake CPU cooler (a cheap one, anyway), and it has already started to make some serious noise, so it's off to Fry's Electronics this weekend to purchase the Granddaddy of all Zalman Coolers: the CNPS9700 LED!!!
(http://www.zalman.co.kr/upload/product/9700led_c_p.jpg)

I recently bought an Antec P180B case, and I'll post pictures once I install the new CPU cooler.

My new Power Supply is the Thermaltake W010 Pure Power 500W, and it's NICE!!! All the power cords are separated into groups and wrapped in black sleeving that just looks sweet.

So there will be some pics posted here this weekend.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Fortis on January 23, 2008, 03:06:03 PM
Running Windows XP Media Center Edition, 1 gb of ram, 1 250 gig hard drive, with a 500 gig external hard drive.

Just reformatted the hard drive after 1 year of use, and it is working like a dream. I won't upgrade to Vista until 2010.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 23, 2008, 03:23:54 PM
Well, that computer shown at the beginning of this thread (and above also) ,is about to get a Serious Hardware Upgrade this weekend:

The parts just arrived today from NewEgg!
They are as follows:

ASUS P5KC LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Motherboard

Intel Core2 Duo E6850 3.0GHZ processor

A Thermaltake CL-P0401 110mm Full-Range Fan CPU Cooler (This thing Is HUGE!)

3GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066 Dual Channel memory (2 X 1GB, and 2 X 512 MB)

and a ATI All-In-Wonder X1900 256MB GDDR3 PCIe video card I bought on Ebay

along with 2 SATA Lite-On DVD Multi Burners, 2- 500gig SATA Hard Drives, and 1 - 750gig SATA Hard Drive


Everything original (FIC P4 865PE Dynasty, 3GB Socket 478 CPU, and 3 gigs DDR 333 PC2700 RAM, and ATI All in Wonder X800XL AGP video card) is about 4 years old (not the all in wonder - 1 to 2 years old), and is starting to act like it's about to fall apart and/or crash so again this will be a Serious Boost of performance!


Looks like a nice set of upgrades!

I prefer Zalman for cooling, myself. Not long ago I bought a Thermaltake CPU cooler (a cheap one, anyway), and it has already started to make some serious noise, so it's off to Fry's Electronics this weekend to purchase the Granddaddy of all Zalman Coolers: the CNPS9700 LED!!!
(http://www.zalman.co.kr/upload/product/9700led_c_p.jpg)

I recently bought an Antec P180B case, and I'll post pictures once I install the new CPU cooler.

My new Power Supply is the Thermaltake W010 Pure Power 500W, and it's NICE!!! All the power cords are separated into groups and wrapped in black sleeving that just looks sweet.

So there will be some pics posted here this weekend.
That Zalman was in my Top 5 list! That is a Sweet CPU Fan as well!
The ThermalTake V1, I thought would add a bit more flare to the clear acrylic case ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 23, 2008, 03:25:15 PM
I hate to tell you this now, but if you waited till Monday or Tuesday you could have got  this processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037&Tpk=e8400). Nice upgrade though.

Dammit! *sniff* :'(
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on January 23, 2008, 04:12:35 PM
Don't feel too bad, I paid $460 for an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ less than 2 years ago and thought i was getting a good deal.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 23, 2008, 04:15:13 PM
Don't feel too bad, I paid $460 for an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ less than 2 years ago and thought i was getting a good deal.
*sigh* Well, I look at like this: At least we didn't spend a fortune for a MAC (or did you? :scared: )
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on January 24, 2008, 12:04:55 AM
I hate to tell you this now, but if you waited till Monday or Tuesday you could have got  this processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037&Tpk=e8400). Nice upgrade though.

Micro Center had that one for $30 less through Wednesday. Oh well.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 24, 2008, 06:26:23 AM
Well, after further research, that one has half the cache of the one I just bought so I’d say no.
I'll stick with the one I bought for the extra $60 ($90).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115028
Mine will outperform it 9 times out of 10 just because of that.

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: AmandaGal on January 24, 2008, 07:57:15 AM
9 times out of 10, you won't need that much processor.

It's not the size that matters boys, it's how you use it :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: SaucyRossy on January 24, 2008, 08:03:22 AM
9 times out of 10, you won't need that much processor.

It's not the size that matters boys, it's how you use it :)

rrrreaaalllly
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 24, 2008, 08:11:20 AM
9 times out of 10, you won't need that much processor.

It's not the size that matters boys, it's how you use it :)
:o *Yummy!  ::)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on January 24, 2008, 08:51:08 AM
It's not the size that matters boys, it's how you use it :)

Yeah, but it takes a long time to apply a filter in Photoshop with a 500mhz single-core processor.

(geeks are laughing right now...)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 24, 2008, 08:57:02 AM
500mhz??? WHAaa ???

WOW... nuf said 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on January 24, 2008, 09:13:41 AM
Well, after further research, that one has half the cache of the one I just bought so I’d say no.
I'll stick with the one I bought for the extra $60 ($90).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115028
Mine will outperform it 9 times out of 10 just because of that.


What? yours = 4MB L2 cache, the new one = 6MB L2 cache, how is that half? I'm gonna wait for the quadcore's that come out this spring, my recording setup could use a major upgrade because it keeps crashing on me with an older dualcore processor. I'm looking to buy the Q9450 (2.66 Ghz, 12MB Cache) - $349, then I shall proceed to rock a llamas ass.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 24, 2008, 09:16:55 AM
Well, after further research, that one has half the cache of the one I just bought so I’d say no.
I'll stick with the one I bought for the extra $60 ($90).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115028
Mine will outperform it 9 times out of 10 just because of that.


What? yours = 4MB L2 cache, the new one = 6MB L2 cache, how is that half?
Well, ok.. not literally.. The 4MB is shared on mine, and the 6MB  on that one is not
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 24, 2008, 09:19:50 AM
I'm looking to buy the Q9450 (2.66 Ghz, 12MB Cache) - $349, then I shall proceed to rock a llamas ass.
WOW! I Think you'll Obliterate that Llamas Ass!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 27, 2008, 03:36:21 PM
YYEESS!! The Upgrade Is COMPLETE!
Here's some pics of the 'New & Improved Masterpiece':
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/LightShow3rebuild01-27-08.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/LightShow3rebuild01-27-08001.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/LightShow3rebuild01-27-08004.jpg)
..And a couple 'Night' shots (It's Much Brighter than it appears - My whole Dining room is lit up right now!):
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/LightShow3rebuild01-27-08005.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/LightShow3rebuild01-27-08007.jpg)
WOO-HOO!!! :highfive:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: mike5150 on January 27, 2008, 04:42:28 PM
yeah I just put a new 300 gig harddrive in my compaq and my gf and I are just starting to talk about getting a new mousepad (jealous much?) by the way rvr. I dont want to get to technical but what does that one thing on your computer do? that thing next to the other thing? with wires?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 27, 2008, 04:48:21 PM
by the way rvr. I dont want to get to technical but what does that one thing on your computer do? that thing next to the other thing? with wires?
Hmm.. All I know is, is that it makes things work rreeeellllyyy fast! ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on January 27, 2008, 07:57:38 PM
Nice, but I won't be impressed until you have something like this (http://englishrussia.com/?p=1547). They did get it wrong though, it's a retro-styled liquid cooling system and doesn't have anything to do with beer or Russia. A polish guy made it, It looks cool as hell though.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 27, 2008, 08:01:59 PM
Nice, but I won't be impressed until you have something like this (http://englishrussia.com/?p=1547).
Yeah True.. I'm working on a way to rig a bottle of Tequila to it not just to fill shot glasses when needed, but for 'Liquid Cooling' as well :P
Kinda like shooting Nitrous to a dragster 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 19, 2008, 07:45:02 AM
If anyone's interested, I'm selling my old ATI X800XL All In Wonder AGP video card from my recent computer upgrade on Ebay..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150215610265
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: NinjaComic on February 19, 2008, 08:34:14 AM
My last experiment.
(http://www.pj-chron.com/images/tv/9.jpg) (http://www.pj-chron.com/index.php?date=2007-06-01)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: NinjaComic on February 19, 2008, 09:50:33 AM
That's cool and all, but what's the point?

It's one of those, because I can things.  It's in the living room now, looking like an old TV.  Except that it plays music and DVDs.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: NinjaComic on February 19, 2008, 09:56:37 AM
I like this idea with a nicer TV, though.

This one falls under the heading of possible prototype.  I learned a lot about what needs to go and what needs to stay in the box.  But finding a nice looking old TV is going to be a costly process.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 19, 2008, 03:53:13 PM
If you could make the buttons on the tv function as hotkeys for windows applications that would be cool.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: NinjaComic on February 20, 2008, 06:51:50 AM
And here I was happy to figure out the power switch and the power lights to make them work with the HD and Power LED for the system.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 01, 2008, 11:24:09 AM
I think I screwed my current graphics card up because I've got green pixels showing up on my screen and they get really annoying to look at when working in photoshop and playing games. Sooooooo I ordered this Diamond 3870 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103050) which I'm pretty sure is what Nunyerbiz originally told me about, it was $199.99 with free shipping. The thing that sold the item for me other than the specs was that it has built-in HDMI with Multi-channel 5.1 surround audio so I ordered this HDMI cable (http://www.meritline.com/15-feet-hdmi-1-3-to-hdmi-1-3-cable.html) which I'm going to run to my tv and move my nice upscaling dvd player (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-DVP5960-Player-Upscaling-direct/dp/B000G18DR0) to my bedroom so I can take advantage of the USB input and watch stuff I put on my pen drive (http://www.meritline.com/apacer-2gb-ah-320-usb20.html) while I fall asleep. My next planned purchase is to upgrade my current rig with a new Q9450 (2.66 Ghz, 12MB Cache) for recording purposes. That's my geek rant for the day.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 01, 2008, 11:28:08 AM
That'll be Cool!
All of My recent upgrades (including that ATI All In Wonder X1900 video card) are working Perfectly! ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 01, 2008, 11:46:04 AM
Yeah I'll probably get this motherboard, it's more than I've ever spent on a MB but it's really nice and a bit more future proof, with features I don't need at the moment, but could take advantage of in The Future.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131236 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131236)
and this RAM, because 4GB's sounds about right.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231145 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231145)
to go with the Q9450, the processor is probably going to be about $350-400 when they first release it. It'll be expensive but hopefully worth it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 01, 2008, 11:50:06 AM
Oh Yeah! Definitly! :clap: :clap:
That's an Awsome Mobo!

Mine is 'overkill' , but is Definitly ready for The Future as well 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 03, 2008, 10:27:28 AM
Well boys and girls, I've made some nice improvements to my computer and am ready to show it off!


I call it... MONOLITH


(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h310/kodiakthejuggler/FrontClosedSM.jpg)

The case is Antec's P180B. It is sound dampened very nicely, and is quite inert.



(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h310/kodiakthejuggler/FrontOpenSM.jpg)

The front door opens to reveal the Disk drives and Start/Reset buttons. There are two air filters that are removable for easy cleaning. I have a Sony DVD DL Burner and CD Burner, top and bottom. There is a locking mechanism for the front door, but honestly, if someone wanted to get it open, it wouldn't be too difficult, as the front door's hinges are not very sturdy.



(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h310/kodiakthejuggler/SideViewSM.jpg)

Opening the side reveals some nice interior designs. The power supply is mounted at the bottom of the case, a nice touch. All the hard drive bays are removable and have effortless mounting solutions. There are rubber grommets that support the drives and isolate them, keeping sound vibrations down. I removed the center drive bay to make room for the optional 120mm intake fan at the front. There is another 120mm fan in the middle(bottom), and two for exhaust. The Motherboard is a Micro ATX board with a Celeron processor at 3GHz. It was the only solution available to me at the time. I'd rather have a larger board to provide more room for the expansion cards to breathe.



(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h310/kodiakthejuggler/CloseUp.jpg)

At this angle, you can see the new CPU cooler I installed this weekend. Zalman's CNPS9500A LED. IT'S BIG!! I wanted the bigger one, but I decided to save myself $10, and it's a good thing too, as the CNPS9700 is larger!! I don't think it would play very nicely with the other children. But this one's great! Exceptional design and superior cooling properties. Notice the FanMate 2 controller at the top right, which allows the cooler to run at continuously variable speeds. I currently have it running at just over 2,000 RPMs, and I think it works nicely for my style of computing, as I am not a heavy gamer or overclocker. It still stays fairly quiet, overall.

At the bottom of this picture you can see the Video Card, an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro, complete with Zalman VF700-Cu GPU cooler. The puny little stock fan died a while ago, so I had to replace it. This Zalman cooler is substantial, just like the CPU cooler. It has all-copper fins. Notice the blue anodized aluminum passive heat sinks. Another great product from Zalman. The whole package makes my Graphics card quite heavy!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 03, 2008, 11:03:48 AM
WOW!!
That Is Impressive Indeed! :o :o :o

*takes notes for future build*
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 05, 2008, 02:49:09 PM
Oh yeah, that thing is freakin' awesome!!

Very nice work.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 05, 2008, 03:25:20 PM
Hell Yeah! I'd Hit It Too!! :highfive:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 05, 2008, 04:39:51 PM
Hell Yeah! I'd Hit It Too!! :highfive:

I think it's a computer RVR, not a walking Fleshlight.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 05, 2008, 05:08:02 PM
Hell Yeah! I'd Hit It Too!! :highfive:

I think it's a computer RVR, not a walking Fleshlight.
Oh Well :(
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: BathTub on March 05, 2008, 05:11:50 PM
People do make astromech droids,  (http://home.astromechbuilder.com/)just a matter of time and money, but it's done.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 05, 2008, 05:13:37 PM
People do make astromech droids,  (http://home.astromechbuilder.com/)just a matter of time and money, but it's done.
SWEEET!!! :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 05, 2008, 07:19:55 PM
People do make astromech droids,  (http://home.astromechbuilder.com/)just a matter of time and money, but it's done.

A costly, and painstaking hobby, but a nice one nonetheless.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Pak-Man on March 08, 2008, 04:31:20 PM
All right, so Tyrant's computer just stopped working entirely. It doesn't turn on at all.

The strange thing is, when you plug it in, it makes a sort of steady rattling noise. It gets a litle faster if you push the power button, but it never tries to turn on.

Does anyone know whether this is a bad power supply, or if it's indicative of a larger problem?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 08, 2008, 04:37:45 PM
You Nailed It: Power Supply is Bad!!

Go to Staples or office supply store (cause everything else is closed on Sunday probably).
$50.00 is the average for a 350 watt power supply. That should fix it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on March 09, 2008, 02:57:56 PM

   Thanks RVR. I'm going to need a 480 watt supply. I found that I can get one for less than $40 after postage straight from the manufacturer's replacement parts center. As has been so often the case in my history with computers (ie: the problem being obvious in nature, but the machine still not working after said problem is fixed regardless), if it turns out to be something else and the new supply won't resurrect my machine, I'll be back on here whining.  :P 
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on March 09, 2008, 03:12:30 PM
Yep, I recently replaced the case fan in my computer because it was making a god-awful noise . . . and then as soon as I replaced it, the power supply fan started rattling. Not sure what the heck that was about, but I found a 450 watt PS for about $28 with tax and shipping. Put that in and everything's fine.

For the time being.

Of course, you get what you pay for - it's a fairly noisy PS.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 09, 2008, 03:16:05 PM
*starts to get nervous* :speechless:
Yeah, I'm 99.9% sure that's it. If it doesn't power on at all (from what Pac described), It's definitly a bad power supply.

480 watts is Excellent!
I had to pay $100 at Staples (it was an emergency.. On a Sunday evening) for a 500 watt power supply back before I went to Mexico in December  :grr:

Good Luck with that!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on March 09, 2008, 03:29:04 PM
*starts to get nervous* :speechless:
Yeah, I'm 99.9% sure that's it. If it doesn't power on at all (from what Pac described), It's definitly a bad power supply.

480 watts is Excellent!
I had to pay $100 at Staples (it was an emergency.. On a Sunday evening) for a 500 watt power supply back before I went to Mexico in December  :grr:

Good Luck with that!

  Don't be nervous. I won't, like, be MAD at you personally or anything if it's something else. Nearly 100% of the research I've done basically says the same thing you do. There's also what little I know, and the supply was immediatly suspect the minute it didn't turn on. So if that's not what it is, then a bunch of folks are wrong, including myself.

  I was mostly griping because I'm one of those unfortunate people who tend to jinx machines. Automatic doors don't open for me, vending machines have never worked for me, price scanners malfunction when I'm near them, etc. I wish I had a nickel for everytime a repair person has told me he/she has never heard of the issue I'm having with a broken machine and been genuinely surprised about it. Needless to say, it's been my experience that simple problems with computers turn into huge ones no one has ever heard of before.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 09, 2008, 03:34:03 PM
 :D :D That's Interesting!
Well, within the last 3 months, I've had to rebuild 3 out of 6 of my computers.. Each was no less than $700.00
So You're Lucky...

WAIT! What am I doing discussing this with you?! You could Jinx Me Too! :scared:
;)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on March 09, 2008, 03:51:47 PM
I've never been able to pass my jinxes on to other people unless I live with them, so I think you're safe.  :D  Your computer issues are probably completely independant of the fact that we're on the same board.

  I hope.  :speechless:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Bob on March 09, 2008, 03:54:05 PM
In the past ten years, my parents are on their second dishwasher, second clothes drying and third clothes washer.

I believe that some folks just have bad body electricity and should remain Ahmish.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 09, 2008, 04:12:24 PM
This is why I build my own computers so when something goes wrong I only have myself to blame, so I try and get it right the first time. My latest flub was accidentally unplugging my video card's power cord when I was trying to format my computer. Got a bit of a garbled static signal on my screen and then realized what happened plugged it back in. After getting windows installed back onto the computer the screen had green dots on it and when I played games it had dots popping up on my screen sporadically and textures to buildings when be on wrong buildings and sticking out at weird angles. Soooo I had to buy a new card which bummed me out since I paid $250 for the one I messed up a little over a year ago. If anything it keeps me on my toes and more vigilant to everything when I'm building a computer, which is nice since I build computers for friends and co-workers on occasion. I just bought myself this RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231145) and this motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196) and I'm holding out until next week to see how much of a difference there's going to be between the Q9450 and Q6600 quad-core processors. If any of you are looking to modify or upgrade your computer I'd recommend http://www.newegg.com for most parts and I just found the site http://www.frozencpu.com which is pretty nice for modifying your case and keeping everything on the cooler side for your computer parts.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 09, 2008, 05:20:12 PM
Agreed! Building your own if you can do it is The Best way to go, for those reasons you stated.

That FrozenCPU.com site Looks Awsome!
I love moding my existing computers. All six have some sort of flashiness to them..
I'll be checking This Site for future mods for sure! :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hare.29 on March 10, 2008, 12:39:08 PM
In the past ten years, my parents are on their second dishwasher, second clothes drying and third clothes washer.

I believe that some folks just have bad body electricity and should remain Ahmish.

I'm sure bad technology mojo carries over to the Amish as well. So, I don't know, their woodburner falls apart or something. Their buttons keep falling off. They so much as look at an axe and the head falls off.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on March 10, 2008, 02:29:08 PM
In the past ten years, my parents are on their second dishwasher, second clothes drying and third clothes washer.

I believe that some folks just have bad body electricity and should remain Ahmish.

I'm sure bad technology mojo carries over to the Amish as well. So, I don't know, their woodburner falls apart or something. Their buttons keep falling off. They so much as look at an axe and the head falls off.

  Bad tech mojo isn't that powerful. It'd be cool if it were, though. The government could hire folks like that for sabotage missions and stuff. All they'd have to do is stand there and let nature take its course.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hare.29 on March 10, 2008, 02:35:19 PM
I don't know. The one person I know who would most likely have bad tech mojo, if it were real, would make the worst government agent. The government would have to keep her in the dark about why she had to go to Vienna and spend a few days at just this one coffee shop.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on March 10, 2008, 02:37:01 PM
Well, I'd imagine some training would be involved. And possibly a bomb surgically implanted in the brain that goes off if you blow your cover.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 12, 2008, 07:06:40 AM
I've never been able to pass my jinxes on to other people unless I live with them, so I think you're safe.  :D  Your computer issues are probably completely independant of the fact that we're on the same board.

  I hope.  :speechless:
THANKS TYRANT!

Just had a power supply Fail in my #5 computer!  :grr:
Actually, it has a hard time starting, but when I flip the power switch off and on on the power supply itself, it seems to jump-start itself.
Once it fires up, it's fine throughout the entire day till I turn it off. I'll be requesting an RMA# today.
Luckily, I have a spare power supply I'll be installing later. :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 12, 2008, 11:39:57 AM
RVR, do you have your computers set up in a refrigerated room? 

How do you deal with all the heat put out?  Fans or liquid cooling for your processors?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 12, 2008, 11:53:34 AM
RVR, do you have your computers set up in a refrigerated room? 

How do you deal with all the heat put out?  Fans or liquid cooling for your processors?
HEH.. Power bill every month is Not Cheap! All are exposed to 'room' temperatures.
All of my motherboards use the LGA 775 socket, and all have 90-110mm diameter, High rpm processor fans.

The heat is not really an issue as I've got all very well ventilated with every fan slot available being used (80mm to 120mm case fans).
I think the power supply (2nd one like it that's failed in 6 months) are under rated for the hardware being powered: 3 SATA hard drives, 2 SATA DVD burners, and a powered ATI All In Wonder video card along with fans, lights, etc.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on March 12, 2008, 01:59:23 PM
I've never been able to pass my jinxes on to other people unless I live with them, so I think you're safe.  :D  Your computer issues are probably completely independant of the fact that we're on the same board.

  I hope.  :speechless:
THANKS TYRANT!

Just had a power supply Fail in my #5 computer!  :grr:

  But there's no scientific way my body energy can transmit itself over the Internet!!

  Unless it was that Satanic ceremony I performed last night. Hmmm....
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Fortis on March 12, 2008, 02:00:23 PM
Well as this is the computer thread, I wanted to brag and say that I have successfully fixed the blue screen of death on my computer...it was a long and hard process, taking me hours every day just uninstalling and reinstalling hardware and software, but I, Fortis, defeated it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 12, 2008, 02:05:20 PM
I've never been able to pass my jinxes on to other people unless I live with them, so I think you're safe.  :D  Your computer issues are probably completely independant of the fact that we're on the same board.

  I hope.  :speechless:
THANKS TYRANT!

Just had a power supply Fail in my #5 computer!  :grr:

  But there's no scientific way my body energy can transmit itself over the Internet!!

  Unless it was that Satanic ceremony I performed last night. Hmmm....
AH HA! That's It! :o
Well, it's all good..
But, can you perform some sort of 'exorcism' over the internet to.. like.. um.. reverse any misfortune sent my way by accident? KTHXBAI ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on March 12, 2008, 02:13:52 PM
I've never been able to pass my jinxes on to other people unless I live with them, so I think you're safe.  :D  Your computer issues are probably completely independant of the fact that we're on the same board.

  I hope.  :speechless:
THANKS TYRANT!

Just had a power supply Fail in my #5 computer!  :grr:

  But there's no scientific way my body energy can transmit itself over the Internet!!

  Unless it was that Satanic ceremony I performed last night. Hmmm....
AH HA! That's It! :o
Well, it's all good..
But, can you perform some sort of 'exorcism' over the internet to.. like.. um.. reverse any misfortune sent my way by accident? KTHXBAI ;D

  Sure. That's what Satanic Humanitarians are for.  >:D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 12, 2008, 02:29:15 PM
I've never been able to pass my jinxes on to other people unless I live with them, so I think you're safe.  :D  Your computer issues are probably completely independant of the fact that we're on the same board.

  I hope.  :speechless:
THANKS TYRANT!

Just had a power supply Fail in my #5 computer!  :grr:

  But there's no scientific way my body energy can transmit itself over the Internet!!

  Unless it was that Satanic ceremony I performed last night. Hmmm....
AH HA! That's It! :o
Well, it's all good..
But, can you perform some sort of 'exorcism' over the internet to.. like.. um.. reverse any misfortune sent my way by accident? KTHXBAI ;D

  Sure. That's what Satanic Humanitarians are for.  >:D
SWEEET!! ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 12, 2008, 03:20:47 PM
Well as this is the computer thread, I wanted to brag and say that I have successfully fixed the blue screen of death on my computer...it was a long and hard process, taking me hours every day just uninstalling and reinstalling hardware and software, but I, Fortis, defeated it.
Usually that 'Blue screen of Death' is a memory issue in the BIOS,
But mine was caused by a conflict in my Anti Virus software that was corrected after uninstalling and reinstaling it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on March 14, 2008, 02:33:11 PM
 Well, the latest chapter in my life with computers where no simple problem has a simple solution (either by way of my jinx powers or by random circumstance) has taken the predicted path. Apperantly my specific machine has a well documented flaw (I did the research) wherein when the power supply goes, it takes the MB with it. Lovely. I suppose I should have expected it since it's a cheap machine and you get what you pay for (or in my case, receive a freebie). Anyone on here needs to avoid EMachines like the plague (I know I know! Cheap! But it was free!!).

 So now I'm just planning how to get my hardrive into a new machine so I can get my stuff back. :-P Fortunatly, I knew the pc was crap when I got it initially, so I was able to back up about 70% of what I wanted before it died. I'm happy I haven't drowned any money at all in fighting a losing battle.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Fortis on March 14, 2008, 03:28:35 PM
Well as this is the computer thread, I wanted to brag and say that I have successfully fixed the blue screen of death on my computer...it was a long and hard process, taking me hours every day just uninstalling and reinstalling hardware and software, but I, Fortis, defeated it.

A long and hard process? That's what she said.

I put that in there hoping somebody would catch it....

Well as this is the computer thread, I wanted to brag and say that I have successfully fixed the blue screen of death on my computer...it was a long and hard process, taking me hours every day just uninstalling and reinstalling hardware and software, but I, Fortis, defeated it.
Usually that 'Blue screen of Death' is a memory issue in the BIOS,
But mine was caused by a conflict in my Anti Virus software that was corrected after uninstalling and reinstaling it.

It was caused from me installing a Pinnacle studio add on that is no longer supported by pinnacle. It was their instant dvd maker thing. So every time I put a blank cd/dvd in my drive the blue screen would come up.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 14, 2008, 03:50:44 PM
Well, the latest chapter in my life with computers where no simple problem has a simple solution (either by way of my jinx powers or by random circumstance) has taken the predicted path. Apperantly my specific machine has a well documented flaw (I did the research) wherein when the power supply goes, it takes the MB with it. Lovely. I suppose I should have expected it since it's a cheap machine and you get what you pay for (or in my case, receive a freebie). Anyone on here needs to avoid EMachines like the plague (I know I know! Cheap! But it was free!!).

 So now I'm just planning how to get my hardrive into a new machine so I can get my stuff back. :-P Fortunatly, I knew the pc was crap when I got it initially, so I was able to back up about 70% of what I wanted before it died. I'm happy I haven't drowned any money at all in fighting a losing battle.
WOW! You Never said it was a Emachine :gouge:
Man! If you've got another computer, (Pak's for example), you can pull the hard drive, switch the pin setting from Master to Slave setting (assuming it's a EIDE), and hook it up to another computer to retrieve your needed files, then just reformat it, cause the Emachine motherboard drivers can't be removed properly, and they will cause a conflict with other motherboard drivers if installed on another computer as the Master hard drive with the operating system.
You'll wind up having a 'possessed' computer that won't run right and will just piss you off constantly.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on March 14, 2008, 05:14:41 PM
Well, the latest chapter in my life with computers where no simple problem has a simple solution (either by way of my jinx powers or by random circumstance) has taken the predicted path. Apperantly my specific machine has a well documented flaw (I did the research) wherein when the power supply goes, it takes the MB with it. Lovely. I suppose I should have expected it since it's a cheap machine and you get what you pay for (or in my case, receive a freebie). Anyone on here needs to avoid EMachines like the plague (I know I know! Cheap! But it was free!!).

 So now I'm just planning how to get my hardrive into a new machine so I can get my stuff back. :-P Fortunatly, I knew the pc was crap when I got it initially, so I was able to back up about 70% of what I wanted before it died. I'm happy I haven't drowned any money at all in fighting a losing battle.
WOW! You Never said it was a Emachine :gouge:
Man! If you've got another computer, (Pak's for example), you can pull the hard drive, switch the pin setting from Master to Slave setting (assuming it's a EIDE), and hook it up to another computer to retrieve your needed files, then just reformat it, cause the Emachine motherboard drivers can't be removed properly, and they will cause a conflict with other motherboard drivers if installed on another computer as the Master hard drive with the operating system.
You'll wind up having a 'possessed' computer that won't run right and will just piss you off constantly.

Given my powers, I doubt highly Pak will want me anywhere near his (extremely nice) system with a screwdriver. However, when/if I order myself a system like his, I'll order one with two drives and just swap out the new slave for mine.

  Yeah, probably should have mentioned it was an Emachine. However, if I'd just said that, then I would have been told the problem is that it's an Emachine.  ;D Up until I did my research on it, I was actually hoping to get it working long enough to get the data off my hardrive.  :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 14, 2008, 05:31:46 PM
Well, the latest chapter in my life with computers where no simple problem has a simple solution (either by way of my jinx powers or by random circumstance) has taken the predicted path. Apperantly my specific machine has a well documented flaw (I did the research) wherein when the power supply goes, it takes the MB with it. Lovely. I suppose I should have expected it since it's a cheap machine and you get what you pay for (or in my case, receive a freebie). Anyone on here needs to avoid EMachines like the plague (I know I know! Cheap! But it was free!!).

 So now I'm just planning how to get my hardrive into a new machine so I can get my stuff back. :-P Fortunatly, I knew the pc was crap when I got it initially, so I was able to back up about 70% of what I wanted before it died. I'm happy I haven't drowned any money at all in fighting a losing battle.
WOW! You Never said it was a Emachine :gouge:
Man! If you've got another computer, (Pak's for example), you can pull the hard drive, switch the pin setting from Master to Slave setting (assuming it's a EIDE), and hook it up to another computer to retrieve your needed files, then just reformat it, cause the Emachine motherboard drivers can't be removed properly, and they will cause a conflict with other motherboard drivers if installed on another computer as the Master hard drive with the operating system.
You'll wind up having a 'possessed' computer that won't run right and will just piss you off constantly.

Given my powers, I doubt highly Pak will want me anywhere near his (extremely nice) system with a screwdriver. However, when/if I order myself a system like his, I'll order one with two drives and just swap out the new slave for mine.
Fair enough..
Get Pak to help pick something that's Expandable for future upgrades :o I like NewEgg.com, or check out http://www.pricewatch.com/
My advice: Stay away from Gateway, Compaq, and even Dell desktops, cause you'll just be doing this all over again after a year or two..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2008, 03:51:29 PM
OK.. I'm toying with the idea of getting this http://www.svc.com/a2413-01.html
for my Thermaltake VF1000BWS LanBox http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133035
But that price tag of $340.00 is holding me back :-\

What do youz guys think?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Bob on March 23, 2008, 03:56:29 PM
Before I can answer, I must ask your plans for this.....
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2008, 04:02:01 PM
Before I can answer, I must ask your plans for this.....
Recent faulty monitor issues, and better mobility for our on-site business services instead of lugging around a seperate monitor.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 23, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
Why not use a laptop?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2008, 04:13:11 PM
Why not use a laptop?
Well, This is the Fastest computer I own, and speed is of the essence when we're at a location (like I will be tomorrow morning) and we suddenly get swamped with paying customers (data entry, scanning documents, printing said documents, etc.) and my ID card system that will be in operation as well, requires a powerful setup to operate properly.
Also, Cause I don't have another Grand + available to buy a decent laptop :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on March 23, 2008, 04:21:11 PM
I just replaced my partner's 20gig hard drive with an 80gig (she likes the gamings).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 26, 2008, 12:12:36 PM
Getting the last of my parts today from newegg today, I'll post pictures when I'm done.

Brand: Me! (Self-built)
Motherboard:  ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196)
CPU: Intel Q6600 2.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017)
CPU Cooler: Asus Silent Knight II 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835101018)
RAM: G.Skill 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231145) I can't wait till Windows XP only uses 3325MB of it! Gotta love the limitations of 32-bit operating systems and everyone's refusal to move on to something bigger and better.
Power Supply: Thermaltake toughpower 750w (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153036&Tpk=thermaltake%2btoughpower%2b750w). I thought it was a modular PSU when I ordered and was unpleasantly surprised to find out it wasn't when I got it. I didn't feel like sending it back and going through a huge hassle at that point. Microcenter's site at the time didn't supply a very good description of the item and I didn't do my homework very well so it's my own fault.
Monitor: BenQ FP202W 20" LCD Monitor (http://www.benq.com/products/LCD/?product=594) 8ms latency, display at 1680x1050
Video:  Diamond Viper Radeon HD3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103050) The drivers are great and the ATI Catalyst Control Center has a pretty handy overclocking feature I still need to figure out. Tested out to see what max settings I could get and it was running at 65 Celsius w/ stock cooler at full load with the core clock at 820Mhz and I can't remember the RAM Clock speed at the moment.
Video Cooler: Zalman VF1000 2 Ball VGA Cooler (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118037). It looks pretty and apparently kicks some serious ass. Avoiding thermal tape and using Arctic Silver AATA-5G Thermal Adhesive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100013) to apply the VRAM heatsinks on for better heat dissipation. It's permanent though which scares me and I've avoided installing the cooler so far because of it.
Sound: (Recording Setup) Digidesign MBox, (Gaming Setup) Onboard Sound
Optical Drives: Samsung 20X DVD±R SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151154),  Asus 2014L1T 20X DVD+R SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135156)
Primary Hard drives: (Recording Setup) 2 x Seagate Barracuda 80GB SATA 3.0 Gb/s 8MB Cache (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148231) running in RAID 0.
(Gaming Setup) 1 x Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140) which I'll just pop it in to this bad boy (http://www.meritline.com/i-rack-internal-sata-drive-tray-less-design-with-fan-lock.html) when I feel like playing games.
Secondary Storage Hard Drives: 2 x Western Digital Caviar 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136055) (1 for storing samples for my virtual instruments, 1 for storing recorded music), 1 x Samsung SpinPoint 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152052). I also have a couple of other 500GB Hard drives that I've backed all of my MST3K dvd's (Rhino & DAP) onto in case there is a dvd apocalypse and all dvds that don't ascend to dvd heaven with dvd Jesus are sent to dvd hell and I can continue watching MST3K episodes without a hitch.
Case: NZXT Zero Full Tower (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146029&Tpk=NZXT%2bZero) 4 intake fans on the side, 2 exhaust fans in the back, 1 intake fan in the front, 1 exhaust fan on the top

Extras
Operating System: Win XP Pro SP2 on both setups.
Speakers: (Recording Setup) 2 x KRK RP-6 Rokit Powered Reference Studio Monitor (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/KRK-RP6-Rokit-Powered-Reference-Studio-Monitor?sku=602313) connected through through XLR to 1/4" balanced cables to my Digidesign MBox.
(Gaming Setup) Logitech X-230 32 watts RMS 2.1 Black Speaker System (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121123) They sound good for the price.
Keyboard: Logitech G15 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126034), M-Audio Keystation 61es USB MIDI Controller (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-Keystation-61es-USB-MIDI-Controller?sku=709204) heh
Mouse: Logitech G5 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104076). I have an older model.
Other:  Sony Floppy Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16821103116), Storage Drawer for Standard 5.25" Expansion Bay (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811997201), 1 x EZ-Rack for 3.5" Internal SATA Drive with fan (http://www.meritline.com/i-rack-internal-sata-drive-tray-less-design-with-fan-lock.html), 1 x EZ-Rack for 3.5" Internal SATA Drive without fan (http://www.meritline.com/ez-rack-internal-sata-drive-tray-less-design-with-lock.html), also have some Noise Dampening material (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3039/noi-02/FrozenCPU_Noise_Dampening_Material.html), I might have to order more.

This thing is going to weigh one metric shit ton when I'm done loading everything into it. After typing this all out I've realized why I have so much debt on my credit card.
*Fixed case link.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 26, 2008, 01:03:24 PM
COOL!
Can't see the case (link not working)..

!'m starting to 'drool' staring at This case.. :P
http://thermaltakeusa.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/Mozarttx/ve1000bws.asp

Have no clue what i'd use it for, but I Want It! :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on March 26, 2008, 01:05:12 PM
COOL!
Can't see the case (link not working)..

!'m starting to 'drool' staring at this case.. :P
http://thermaltakeusa.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/Mozarttx/ve1000bws.asp

Have no clue what i'd use it for, but I Want! :o


  You could buy the case and use it for a side table until you're ready to put guts in it. It's what Martha Stewart would do.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 26, 2008, 01:07:27 PM
COOL!
Can't see the case (link not working)..

!'m starting to 'drool' staring at this case.. :P
http://thermaltakeusa.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/Mozarttx/ve1000bws.asp

Have no clue what i'd use it for, but I Want! :o


  You could buy the case and use it for a side table until you're ready to put guts in it. It's what Martha Stewart would do.
  :o I like your way of thinking 'T'! :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on March 29, 2008, 11:09:34 AM
Well, my partner's computer fried up last week, so I salvaged everything I could (I even took the CMOS battery to put in my car's remote) to mack out the computer we have left (a BIG plus of making virtually identical boxes):

P4 2.4gHz
ASUS P4S800 motherboard
2 gb RAM
3 Hard drives: 80g main, plus 120 and 300 drives for media storage (yay for SATA!)
CD R/W burner
DVD burner
NTSC capture card (which I don't use NEARLY enough)
54G Wi-Fi
USB SoundBlaster with proper RCA jacks

The biggest weak link right now is the video card, which is an ancient GeForce2. Once I replace a locked fan and determine if that fixes it, I'll be installing my partner's GeForce 6200 card.


DISCLAIMER: This is the type of computer you build when you're a cheap-ass.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 29, 2008, 11:15:18 AM
Hey! What ever works 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: BathTub on March 29, 2008, 01:50:43 PM
Anyone familiar with NTLDR errors?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 29, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
Anyone familiar with NTLDR errors?
That's a Boot-up error in the BIOS..
I had that on my new mother board during a fresh Microsoft OS install, and had to Flash the BIOS to the latest version before it would go away
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: BathTub on March 29, 2008, 02:47:17 PM
Ok, I thought it might have been more a drive issue, it happened after I my move to Wellington. I have to use the Vista DVD as a Boot Disc, but once it's loaded everything runs fine.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 29, 2008, 03:28:37 PM
Currently copying my Steam folder from my old gaming drive to the new one and it's 44GB of games, 25GB of which is maps and skins for Day of Defeat Source. My Quad-Core processor is staying at 19 Celsius at idle and around 24 when loaded with processes. The Silent Knight II CPU cooler kicks some serious ass and looks pretty sweet.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 29, 2008, 08:26:28 PM
Currently copying my Steam folder from my old gaming drive to the new one and it's 44GB of games, 25GB of which is maps and skins for Day of Defeat Source. My Quad-Core processor is staying at 19 Celsius at idle and around 24 when loaded with processes. The Silent Knight II CPU cooler kicks some serious ass and looks pretty sweet.
PICS ::)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 29, 2008, 11:44:20 PM
?
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f356/jewishcarpenter/0a318c8d.jpg)
still working on actual shots of the tower.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 30, 2008, 06:22:19 AM
Yeah, that IS Chilly! :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on April 05, 2008, 05:41:59 PM
Thought some of you might get a chuckle out of this:

(http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2008/20080312.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Pak-Man on April 18, 2008, 01:31:44 AM
OK. So Internet Explorer keeps crashing on me. I'm running Windows Vista so it won't let me uninstall/reinstall IE7. It only crashes when I go to certain websites. Just as an example, it crashes when I go to http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad but every other part of the site seems to work fine. A lot of myspace pages seem to crash it, but others don't. It seems to be certain sites with certain types of embedded flash that I can't pinpoint. Anyone heard of anything like this and know how to fix it?

(Yes, I know I should just run Firefox, and Firefox can visit the sites no problem, but I'm set in my ways and I want my Internet Explorer to work properly)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 18, 2008, 05:44:58 AM
OK. So Internet Explorer keeps crashing on me. I'm running Windows Vista so it won't let me uninstall/reinstall IE7. It only crashes when I go to certain websites. Just as an example, it crashes when I go to http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad but every other part of the site seems to work fine. A lot of myspace pages seem to crash it, but others don't. It seems to be certain sites with certain types of embedded flash that I can't pinpoint. Anyone heard of anything like this and know how to fix it?

(Yes, I know I should just run Firefox, and Firefox can visit the sites no problem, but I'm set in my ways and I want my Internet Explorer to work properly)
I had similar issues back in February..
Try this: Uninstall the antivirus, or, disable it from startup. A lot of times AV software will cause invalid memory address accesses (which would be solved most likely by a reinstall of the AV software). All of that would take about 15 minutes of testing and rebooting to see if it fixes it.

If not, Try this: If your computer is set to apply DEP (Data Execution Prevention) to all programs and services, the DEP error message will have a Change Settings button. If an update to the program is not available, follow these steps to add an exception for the program from the DEP error message:
1.   When you receive the error message that is mentioned in the "Symptoms" section, click Change Settings.
2.   Click to select the check box next to the program, and then click Apply.
3.   When you are prompted to restart your computer, click OK two times, and then restart your system.

ALSO/OR:
You can also add an exception for the program by using System Properties in Control Panel. To do this, follow these steps:
1.   Click Start, click Run, type sysdm.cpl, and then click OK.
2.   Click the Advanced tab, click Performance, and then click Settings.
3.   In Performance Options, click the Data Execution Prevention tab, and then click Add.
4.   In the Open dialog box, locate and then click the program.
5.   Click Open, click Apply, and then click OK. When you are prompted to restart your computer, click OK.

It's more than likely your anti-virus though.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 18, 2008, 09:00:24 AM
I recently helped a friend upgrade to a new computer, as his previous one was over 8 years old.

As he wrote out his list of parts, he handed it to me and I looked it over...

He actually put "Network card" on it!! How long has it been since motherboard manufacturers made that a standard addition???

I laughed at him and pointed at him while doing so. I knew he was out of the loop regarding computers, but I didn't know he was THAT out of the loop!
 
:D


So now he's up and running with a brand new computer, complete with USB 2.0!! Also, he was flabbergasted when he realized that burning a movie DVD from content procured from the internet in a completely legal manner would only take 30 minutes as opposed to 7 hours!!

(p.s. his old processor was under a GIG!!! Can you believe it??)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Minnesota on April 18, 2008, 09:57:22 AM
(p.s. his old processor was under a GIG!!! Can you believe it??)

that's nothing. I'm reading this from a 450 mhz G4 Cube. I of corse have a new computer as well, but computers from the turn of the century still function okay for surfing the net.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 18, 2008, 10:49:10 AM
A few months back, a friend of mine who's family runs an optomatrist office, his father had his computer rebuilt for $1600.. It was upgraded to a Pentium 3 1.8ghz processor, with 2 - 256 DDR sticks of memory, and what ever motherboard I have no clue..
It has been taken back to him 3 times since; each time being charged $150.00 and it's still not right! They keep going back to him cause he's a 'friend' of their family ::)

Damn! With friends like that, I'd rather work with my enemies ???
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gammer on April 18, 2008, 10:59:44 AM
wow, thats expensive.

I only charge $100 to do a Windows re-install...and that includes doing all the updates and backup up data and putting it back.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on April 18, 2008, 11:01:04 AM
wow, thats expensive.

I only charge $100 to do a Windows re-install...and that includes doing all the updates and backup up data and putting it back.
Damn, I do it for free for people I know.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gammer on April 18, 2008, 11:05:19 AM
wow, thats expensive.

I only charge $100 to do a Windows re-install...and that includes doing all the updates and backup up data and putting it back.
Damn, I do it for free for people I know.

You're such a slut.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Bob on April 18, 2008, 11:07:45 AM
A few months back, a friend of mine who's family runs an optomatrist office, his father had his computer rebuilt for $1600.. It was upgraded to a Pentium 3 1.8ghz processor, with 2 - 256 DDR sticks of memory, and what ever motherboard I have no clue..
It has been taken back to him 3 times since; each time being charged $150.00 and it's still not right! They keep going back to him cause he's a 'friend' of their family ::)

Damn! With friends like that, I'd rather work with my enemies ???


Sounds like the kind of folks who would charge $100 to fix a VCR
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on April 18, 2008, 11:14:10 AM
wow, thats expensive.

I only charge $100 to do a Windows re-install...and that includes doing all the updates and backup up data and putting it back.
Damn, I do it for free for people I know.

You're such a slut.
I do it for the experience. I'm now a Level 15 Slut.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 18, 2008, 12:24:01 PM
wow, thats expensive.

I only charge $100 to do a Windows re-install...and that includes doing all the updates and backup up data and putting it back.
Damn, I do it for free for people I know.

You're such a slut.

Wait, I thought sluts charged...
Nah, those are whores.. er prostitutes.. Maybe I'm just getting F@ck'd :speechless:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on April 18, 2008, 12:58:19 PM
OK. So Internet Explorer keeps crashing on me. I'm running Windows Vista so it won't let me uninstall/reinstall IE7. It only crashes when I go to certain websites. Just as an example, it crashes when I go to http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad but every other part of the site seems to work fine. A lot of myspace pages seem to crash it, but others don't. It seems to be certain sites with certain types of embedded flash that I can't pinpoint. Anyone heard of anything like this and know how to fix it?

(Yes, I know I should just run Firefox, and Firefox can visit the sites no problem, but I'm set in my ways and I want my Internet Explorer to work properly)

B-but...Firefox is so much easier. Really. It is.  Just give in, you know you want to.

  It wouldn't be an issue for us (or at least me) if not for the fact that there's several shared .dll files in IE's registry and Paintshop Pro, thusly PSP started crashing too once IE started. So for the sake of my digital artwork, we have to fix this.

  We'll try your suggestions, RVR. Hopefully this has nothing to do with the fact that I'm on Pak's machine now. My powers are quite potent. 
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 18, 2008, 01:09:47 PM
  It wouldn't be an issue for us (or at least me) if not for the fact that there's several shared .dll files in IE's registry and Paintshop Pro, thusly PSP started crashing too once IE started. So for the sake of my digital artwork, we have to fix this.

  We'll try your suggestions, RVR. Hopefully this has nothing to do with the fact that I'm on Pak's machine now. My powers are quite potent. 
AH HA!! THAT'S IT!!

*Ren Voice* "YYOOUUUuuu..."
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on April 18, 2008, 01:35:15 PM
  It wouldn't be an issue for us (or at least me) if not for the fact that there's several shared .dll files in IE's registry and Paintshop Pro, thusly PSP started crashing too once IE started. So for the sake of my digital artwork, we have to fix this.

  We'll try your suggestions, RVR. Hopefully this has nothing to do with the fact that I'm on Pak's machine now. My powers are quite potent. 
AH HA!! THAT'S IT!!

*Ren Voice* "YYOOUUUuuu..."

  Yeah. Despite the fact that I don't consider myself completely inept when it comes to computers (far from an expert, mind, but experienced enough to install my own hardware, diagnose basic problems, etc), I somehow still have the same track record as someone who doesn't know what they're doing at all and still think little elves run the machine inside the case.  :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 02, 2008, 03:32:05 PM
Well, I've decided to upgrade a case for one of my computers..
Well actually, it was a spur of the moment thing, as my wife's brother; my brother-in-law, is heading to Mexico in a couple of weeks, and since my computer down there got fried from the heat & unstable voltage, he offered to carry some replacement parts for mine down there, but getting them installed will be an issue since I'm not gonna be there till probably December, but then I thought; why not just have him take another computer down there if I build it before he goes?! Yeah! That's It!!
The blue Apevia micro ATX case..
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/X-QPACK-BL-0_500.jpg)
I have is just small enough to fit in a carry-on suitcase perfectly, so I'm taking all the guts (motherboard, processor, memory,  harddrives, & video card) out and putting it in this..
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5713/cst-531/Sunbeam_UFO_Acrylic_Cube_Case_-_UV_Blue_ACUF-HUVB.html?tl=g1c9
and then just build another basic system and put in the blue Apevia case for him to take to Mexico to replace mine down there instead.

*A-Team's Murdock voice* 'I Love It when a plan comes together!' 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Bob on June 02, 2008, 04:15:56 PM
Pretty..........

(although for a world gad-a-bout lke you, I still think a laptop makes the most sense)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 02, 2008, 04:23:19 PM
Pretty..........

(although for a world gad-a-bout lke you, I still think a laptop makes the most sense)
Oh yeah.. Already working on that option as well, but to have something Permanent down there is just another option to fill 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on June 04, 2008, 04:51:37 AM
I think RVR's parents were murdered by a laptop and that explains his aversion.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 04, 2008, 05:37:31 AM
I think RVR's parents were murdered by a laptop and that explains his aversion.
Actually, they have my laptop..
I gave it to my parents when they retired a couple years ago, and I just never replaced it :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on June 04, 2008, 12:17:21 PM
But the stuff he uses a computer for on vacation could easily be handled by a wal-mart laptop.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 04, 2008, 12:20:37 PM
But the stuff he uses a computer for on vacation could easily be handled by a wal-mart laptop.
I'm looking into a Dell 600 Series currently, and my friend can get a substantial discount through his work for one, so I;ll probably be getting one of those before I head back south o the boarder in December 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Fortis on June 04, 2008, 12:49:31 PM
I like those new Dell Red computers...not sure if they are any good though.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 04, 2008, 12:51:55 PM
I like those new Dell Red computers...not sure if they are any good though.
My friend also mentioned to stay away from those Dell 'Vostro's'; they wern't all that they were cracked up to be..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 04, 2008, 12:59:28 PM
I'm thinking about buying this case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137) right now. It's pretty and I realized I have enough parts to build a whole other computer, even though I don't need one.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 04, 2008, 01:01:24 PM
I'm thinking about buying this case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137) right now. It's pretty and I realized I have enough parts to build a whole other computer, even though I don't need one.
Nice! Do It.. You never know when you'll need a back-up computer..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Fortis on June 04, 2008, 01:19:53 PM
I like those new Dell Red computers...not sure if they are any good though.
My friend also mentioned to stay away from those Dell 'Vostro's'; they wern't all that they were cracked up to be..

Dang, anything that looks awesome computerwise usually isn't. Why can't anything work the way its supposed to?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 04, 2008, 01:22:16 PM
I like those new Dell Red computers...not sure if they are any good though.
My friend also mentioned to stay away from those Dell 'Vostro's'; they wern't all that they were cracked up to be..

Dang, anything that looks awesome computerwise usually isn't. Why can't anything work the way its supposed to?
It's a Communist Plot >:D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Fortis on June 04, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
I like those new Dell Red computers...not sure if they are any good though.
My friend also mentioned to stay away from those Dell 'Vostro's'; they wern't all that they were cracked up to be..

Dang, anything that looks awesome computerwise usually isn't. Why can't anything work the way its supposed to?
It's a Communist Plot >:D

It is! We had a dishwasher in my house that worked for 15 years. Now since the 3 years that that one has broken we have gone through 3 different dishwashers. They do not make stuff like they used to.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on June 04, 2008, 02:33:12 PM
I like those new Dell Red computers...not sure if they are any good though.
My friend also mentioned to stay away from those Dell 'Vostro's'; they wern't all that they were cracked up to be..

Dang, anything that looks awesome computerwise usually isn't. Why can't anything work the way its supposed to?
It's a Communist Plot >:D

It is! We had a dishwasher in my house that worked for 15 years. Now since the 3 years that that one has broken we have gone through 3 different dishwashers. They do not make stuff like they used to.

  Manufacturing companies have entire departments and specialists dedicated to finding out the best, most expensive way something can break. If the prototypes don't show any signs of having any weaknesses, they literally hold board meetings to figure out how they can give the product some so it'll be a sure thing that the commercial product WILL break at some point. I sincerely wish I was joking about this.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 04, 2008, 03:04:34 PM
OK.. Note to Self: Do NOT Buy Anything more from PartsPC.com!

I ordered 2 - 1 gig memory sticks back on Saturday, paid for expidited service & USPS Priority Mail (2-3 days) and the Dumbasses just now processed my order this afternoon (Wednesday) to be shipped out of their warehouse on the west coast?! WTF ???
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Fortis on June 04, 2008, 03:16:13 PM
I like those new Dell Red computers...not sure if they are any good though.
My friend also mentioned to stay away from those Dell 'Vostro's'; they wern't all that they were cracked up to be..

Dang, anything that looks awesome computerwise usually isn't. Why can't anything work the way its supposed to?
It's a Communist Plot >:D

It is! We had a dishwasher in my house that worked for 15 years. Now since the 3 years that that one has broken we have gone through 3 different dishwashers. They do not make stuff like they used to.

  Manufacturing companies have entire departments and specialists dedicated to finding out the best, most expensive way something can break. If the prototypes don't show any signs of having any weaknesses, they literally hold board meetings to figure out how they can give the product some so it'll be a sure thing that the commercial product WILL break at some point. I sincerely wish I was joking about this.

Oh I don't doubt it...we finally gave up and have resorted to yelling in the phone demanding wheel replacements for the dishwasher drawers because the hot water melts the plastic wheels and makes them break. We have gone through I think 4 different drawers, and who knows how many wheels. My dad is a really nice guy, but he is good at yelling at people (he never means it when he is yelling though, its weird, you'd think people would pick up that he is holding back laughter and apologies).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Pak-Man on June 22, 2008, 05:20:00 PM
So as some of you know, me and Tyrant have started the project of watching every MST3K. This has involved me burning them to DVD so we can watch them from the comfort of our couch.
Suddenly, my computer has decided it doesn't want to encode DVD files. I've been using DVD flick for forever to make DVDs and it's never given me an ounce of trouble, but now it locks my entire system up during the encoding process. So I decided to try a different burning program. Same thing. It starts encoding, then locks up completely. I'm getting tired of having to reboot my computer every time this happens. Anyone know any tricks? If I just want a no-frills DVD where I pop it in and watch it, is there a way to bypass the encoding alltogether?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 22, 2008, 06:43:08 PM
Have you tried using DVD Shrink 3.2?
That's what I use 1st to break the episode down to its VTS files, and then use Nero 6 or 7 to reburn
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on June 23, 2008, 01:51:20 PM
Naw, it's still locking up. Pak's tried about 3 or 4 different programs now (including Nero, I think). I thought maybe it had something to do with the file format we download it in, and thought maybe converting it to another file type to encode might solve the issue, but now his PC is locking up just during the converting process. I also had him try turning off all the junk that runs off the system tray other than essentials and it's still locking up.
 
The last thing he was able to burn with no complications was the Drugs short with no previous issues, so this has been going on only recently.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 23, 2008, 02:02:58 PM
Hmm.. Sounds like a Definite conflict or hardware issue somewhere..
I had a similar issue with a sound driver when I updated the BIOS of one of my computers and had to completely uninstall the sound driver and reload it; another time was an Antivirus conflict, and again, had to completely uninstall & reinstall, and even a memory conflict, and also a failing power supply can freeze it up. So it could be anything :-\

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on June 23, 2008, 02:07:43 PM

 Well, one thing we've not tried yet is burning something other than these episodes (like another short or something). If it works, then it indicates something is wrong with the files somewhere.

It could also be because I've been hanging around this computer too much with my evil jinx powers.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 23, 2008, 02:27:28 PM

 Well, one thing we've not tried yet is burning something other than these episodes (like another short or something). If it works, then it indicates something is wrong with the files somewhere.

It could also be because I've been hanging around this computer too much with my evil jinx powers.
Aw Hell... :speechless:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Pak-Man on June 24, 2008, 11:26:47 AM
Well after some testing, it looks like it wasn't the computer at all, but something wonky with the MST3K K05 file itself. We'll just have to get this one from a different source.

Incidentally, if anyone out there in DAPland has the torrent for K05, it'd be neat if you could seed it. :^)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 30, 2008, 08:59:08 AM
Well, I've built 3 more computers (basic models only) this time for the wife's family in Mexico, and sent 2 of them there by USPS Global Express Guaranteed, and they've been held up in Mexico City customs for almost a week now..

Turns out they don't allow Anything in made in China cause it's crippling there economy much worse than ours, so being that  these computers parts were pretty much made Entirely in China (even though I labeled them as 'USED' because the parts are very outdated), it takes an 'Act of God' almost to get them through their customs and delivered.

I'll know either today or tomorrow if they made it safely and Undamaged :scared:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on July 31, 2008, 06:00:53 AM
Global Express comes with insurance too.

100$ for free, and then you can pay for up to $2499 of insurance too.

My Mac that I sold to a guy in England was in customs for over a week as well.  I never got the specifics on why though.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 31, 2008, 06:32:53 AM
Global Express comes with insurance too.

100$ for free, and then you can pay for up to $2499 of insurance too.
Oh yeah.. I had $1000 of insurance on this box, so if for some reason it didn't make it to it's destination, I was gonna file an insurance claim by next week.

Actually, it had been transfered to FedEx international and they assigned it a FedEx # which I didn't get till yesterday, and had to forward that # to my wife so she could contact customs about it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Axnollouse on August 06, 2008, 08:11:05 PM
this is my current case I am using

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/therealfragger/compyadv1/100_0105.jpg)

I don't have an up to date picture of the completed compy but its good times.  I have pics of the computer and my 3 monitor setup
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 07, 2008, 06:58:54 AM
That looks like one Heluva intake cooling fan there! :o

What's that bottle of Brisk tea supposed to do?  :-X
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Axnollouse on August 07, 2008, 06:59:45 AM
Well it gives scope to how big the case is (its a converted server)

EDIT: This is the front to show you what i mean:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/therealfragger/compyadv1/100_0121.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 07, 2008, 07:04:28 AM
Oh Yeah! That Is a Beast :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Axnollouse on August 07, 2008, 07:05:38 AM
Quiet as all hell tho it makes very little noise. Worth the $150 i spent on it
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 07, 2008, 07:11:53 AM
A friend of mine that has a recording studio, he just purchased this Huge Mac desktop computer; completely built from the factory that weighed at least 45-50 pounds still in the box.

He's using 'Final Cut Pro' software on his beast!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 03, 2008, 09:42:14 AM
I forgot to post some new pics of my 'Borg5' computer from a couple months back..
I upgraded the case to a clear-acrylic style purchased from FrozenCPU..

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/Borg5001.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/Borg5.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/Borg5003.jpg)

Same guts as before, just more 'flare' 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 03, 2008, 09:45:14 AM
My old lexmark printer is not wanting to connect to my computer due to any number of issues (not least of which is WIndows Vista, I suspect), and I have a relatively crappy flatbed scanner that also likes to crap out in mid-scan and usually leaves lines (looks like a lawn after it's been mowed...).

So, I'm considering getting an all-in-one that would allow me to print directly onto discs. I have a lightscribe drive, but I'm not terribly impressed with the lasting-power of the images (I've had some less than 6 months that are starting to simply fade away), and I don't love the monochrome scheme either.

For the "all-in-one," I don't give a rat's ass about instant-photo-printing, or whether it has a card reader (who the hell takes the cards out of their cameras?).  I'd like a good scanner that can handle OCR and images equally well, and I'd like to be able to print regular documents in b/w and color images onto discs.

I think the Epson R-series looks promising, but I don't really want to pay more than about $125.  So--recommendations? Thoughts? Caveats?
All-in-Wonders are not compatable with Vista (to my knowledge)
I use Visioneer 7100 & 7300 flat bed scanners, and Lexmark Z715 printers..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on September 03, 2008, 09:49:20 AM
Same guts as before, just more 'flare' 8)

Your motto, isn't it?   ;)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 03, 2008, 09:50:07 AM
Same guts as before, just more 'flare' 8)

Your motto, isn't it?   ;)
;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 03, 2008, 10:53:37 AM
My old lexmark printer is not wanting to connect to my computer due to any number of issues (not least of which is WIndows Vista, I suspect), and I have a relatively crappy flatbed scanner that also likes to crap out in mid-scan and usually leaves lines (looks like a lawn after it's been mowed...).

So, I'm considering getting an all-in-one that would allow me to print directly onto discs. I have a lightscribe drive, but I'm not terribly impressed with the lasting-power of the images (I've had some less than 6 months that are starting to simply fade away), and I don't love the monochrome scheme either.

For the "all-in-one," I don't give a rat's ass about instant-photo-printing, or whether it has a card reader (who the hell takes the cards out of their cameras?).  I'd like a good scanner that can handle OCR and images equally well, and I'd like to be able to print regular documents in b/w and color images onto discs.

I think the Epson R-series looks promising, but I don't really want to pay more than about $125.  So--recommendations? Thoughts? Caveats?
All-in-Wonders are not compatable with Vista (to my knowledge)
I use Visioneer 7100 & 7300 flat bed scanners, and Lexmark Z715 printers..

What, like at all?

If you're talking about the ATI All-In-Wonders, then yeah..
They're not compatable with Vista at all, but again, that's what I heard or read somewhere..

There's Probably something about this on ATI's website at ATI.com  :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 03, 2008, 10:59:54 AM
Okay, maybe I sound like a n00b, but what is "ATI"?
Are you talking about the ATI all in wonder video cards, or a all in one scanner/copier/printer/etc ???

Maybe I mis read your post there :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 03, 2008, 11:07:58 AM
Okay, maybe I sound like a n00b, but what is "ATI"?
Are you talking about the ATI all in wonder video cards, or a all in one scanner/copier/printer/etc ???

Maybe I mis read your post there :-[

*laughs*
Yes. I'm talking about the scanner/printers. :)
OOPS! :speechless:

Sorry bout that..
I had 1 combo setup like that and it was more a hassle than anything for my business so I got rid of it quick.

All I use are the separate/individual equipment
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on September 03, 2008, 11:09:15 AM
Might want to look around some sites for a review of this (http://www.amazon.com/Epson-Stylus-Photo-RX595-Printer/dp/B000SDW62O/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1220465242&sr=8-1).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on September 04, 2008, 10:12:33 AM
I decided a couple years back to never buy another inkjet printer again. Laser printers are so inexpensive now, there's no reason not to go that route.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on September 04, 2008, 10:33:35 AM
Are there any affordable laser printers that will print directly onto DVDs and CDs?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on September 04, 2008, 11:22:10 PM
Are there any affordable laser printers that will print directly onto DVDs and CDs?

Dunno. That's never been a priority of mine.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on September 04, 2008, 11:24:18 PM
Aren't laser printers all monochrome, too?


Oh, HECK no. My laser printer, from 1998, is a color model.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on September 05, 2008, 12:59:12 AM
Are there any affordable laser printers that will print directly onto DVDs and CDs?

Dunno. That's never been a priority of mine.
Damn it, gbeenie! Stop thinking about yourself for a change and think about meeeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on September 05, 2008, 12:47:07 PM
Aren't laser printers all monochrome, too?


Oh, HECK no. My laser printer, from 1998, is a color model.

Really? HOw the hell does that work? Do you have to buy special paper?

Nope. Laser printers use toner, which they heat onto the page. The results looks terrific and are not water-soluble like inkjet.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on September 28, 2008, 07:14:56 PM
I never did post a picture of the computer I built for my brother last month. It sure is pretty. The only thing he needs now is a better cpu cooler.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f356/jewishcarpenter/8f95ea6b.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 28, 2008, 07:26:14 PM
NICE!! :o :o

May I recommend something like this??

A Thermaltake CL-P0401 110mm Full-Range Fan CPU Cooler (This thing Is HUGE!)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/35-106-102-02.jpg)

It works Very Well with my setup 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: leeving on October 10, 2008, 11:23:50 AM
I'm expecting some new parts Friday night from Newegg.

INTEL |C2Q Q6600 2.40G ---- gonna try to overclock
TWIN2X2048-8500C5D -  2 gig
ASUS P5N-E SLI NF650I SLI
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB
 Seagate 400GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA HD

Went to Fry's today and got a few things:

Case:  Antec p180 , got an 182 in the box---better cable management.
Soundcard:  Creative  X-Fi XtremeGamer
DVD Burner: Samsung 18x SATA



damn....been over a year now with this set up.

q6600 is overclocked @ 3 gig
and with Ram cheap as hell, i just added another 2 gigs. 

and that 400GB HD was DOA, and when i sent it back to Newegg it was discontinued, so I got a 500 gig for the same price.

I play some games on this...runs Crysis well, and the new Brothers in Arms looks real good on it.  But lately i've been syncing and burning a lot of rifftrax discs i can't find.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 10, 2008, 11:39:52 AM
Man! After losing my OS 200gb hard drive the other day, I'm forced to go to a 500gb as the price is not that much of a difference :-\

I just prefer to use a smaller gig hard drive strictly for the OS and any OS software..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on October 11, 2008, 05:43:36 PM
Here's a Windows question: Is Media Center 2005 built on an XP Home platform, or XP Pro?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 11, 2008, 06:04:31 PM
Here's a Windows question: Is Media Center 2005 built on an XP Home platform, or XP Pro?
Whoa.. :speechless:

I have No Idea bout that one.. :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: torgosPizza on October 11, 2008, 06:05:48 PM
Here's a Windows question: Is Media Center 2005 built on an XP Home platform, or XP Pro?

Going to guess Home. I think WinMC was sort of the precursor to XP, and I remember it being fairly "family-friendly".. in other words, less Pro options to try and figure out, since its goal was to be a kind of point-and-click interface for use in living rooms.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 13, 2008, 04:09:07 PM
Ok here's a problem I'm facing.

I have this bastard little adware thing that keeps showing me pop ups for (ironically) spy ware sweeping applications. I have run adaware a couple of times (am doing it now in fact) to try and shift it and it's still there.

I don't want to have to reformat my damn HD but I'm not sure how to get rid of the damn thing.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2008, 04:42:35 PM
Hmm.. Here's 3 options off the top of my head..


1) You could do a 'System Restore' to a date before the unwanted program was installed, but that has it's risks..

2) Might want to pull the hard drive and have an external scan done from another computer with a powerful antivirus/spyware removal program (I use Trend Micro myself)

3) Or just take the hard drive (or whole computer) to a professional to have them remove it without reformatting
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 13, 2008, 04:50:44 PM
Nah I'm just going to reformat the bugger.

It's disabled my task manager now

here goes I hope my damn computer doesn't end up being killed
  :(
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2008, 05:15:18 PM
*Queue's the 'JAWS' theme...' :scared:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 13, 2008, 07:03:37 PM
And, we're back.

Christ on a bike that was annoying.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 13, 2008, 07:04:19 PM
And, we're back.

Christ on a bike that was annoying.
Someday after years of research and trial and error it will be 12% less annoying.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 13, 2008, 07:05:21 PM
Is the Adware gone?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 13, 2008, 07:06:40 PM
As far as I can tell yes
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2008, 07:08:16 PM
As far as I can tell yes

Bet it ain't >:D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 13, 2008, 07:16:34 PM
I slashed and burnt, it's have to be something other than a program to hang on after that.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 13, 2008, 07:21:12 PM
Well despite the caveman lawyer side of me, when I want to be, I'm slightly tech savvy :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2008, 07:34:34 PM
And, we're back.

Christ on a bike that was annoying.

That was fast. It takes me hours and hours after a system wipe to get sorted.
It's either a small hard drive, or a quick format option..

I use 'BCWIPED' (Dept. of Defense standard) before reformatting mine 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 13, 2008, 07:37:47 PM
And, we're back.

Christ on a bike that was annoying.

That was fast. It takes me hours and hours after a system wipe to get sorted.
It's either a small hard drive, or a quick format option..

I use 'BCWIPED' (Dept. of Defense standard) before reformatting mine 8)

The Former
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2008, 07:44:51 PM
uh huh..... Alrighty Then! :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 14, 2008, 04:59:57 AM
I mean I wiped the whole partition. I started from scratch so it wasn't the quick format option.

EDIT: Oh and Skype seems to be working now which is a change.

EDIT2: I think it was VirusRemover2008

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 14, 2008, 07:40:50 AM
Oh the partition was the whole of the disc essentially, however at present I really didn't have anything that I didn't already have backed up so I wiped the whole thing.

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on October 14, 2008, 08:32:33 AM
May I make a suggestion? In addition to Ad-Aware, I also use Spybot Search & Destroy. In my experience, each program finds things the other missed.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 14, 2008, 08:37:07 AM
OK duly noted. I'll go find it and download it in a minute once the security suite is installed. :)

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2008, 09:02:27 AM
May I make a suggestion? In addition to Ad-Aware, I also use Spybot Search & Destroy. In my experience, each program finds things the other missed.
I use Bullet Proof & Windows Washer..

Both have served me well 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2008, 09:26:02 AM
I don't do things that will put spyware on my computer. Firefox with the Noscript is an awesome backup to that plan as well.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 14, 2008, 09:36:10 AM
I don't do things that will put spyware on my computer.

Well LA DEE DAH!

 ;)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2008, 09:54:46 AM
You mean you don't use FREE 3D SCREENSAVERS!!! ?
OOO..

I Like the Storm one.. :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 14, 2008, 02:36:11 PM
I like going to my Dad's house and seeing pornography ads scroll across his task bar.  It let's me know I've come home..... :'(
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2008, 02:53:21 PM
I like going to my Dad's house and seeing pornography ads scroll across his task bar.  It let's me know I've come home..... :'(
:D :D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Hebs on October 14, 2008, 03:30:06 PM
AH FRICKEN VISTA -

I'm trying to move my website files from my old laptop to my new one.  The website can easily publish from the old laptop which is Windows XP, but no matter what I do it doesn't publish from the new Vista one.

I've even disabled Norton, Defender, all my firewalls to temporarily allow publishing, even going into my settings allowing the program through - but nothing, zip, nada!   ::::fume::::
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2008, 03:44:57 PM
Ugh.. Yet another reason I Won't mess with Vista for quite some time to come :-X
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2008, 04:00:03 PM
If you do ever take that plunge I recommend Vista Ultimate 64-bit Edition, but only if you have "newer" parts for your computer. It will allow you to run XP and other 32-bit programs on it. I only installed a few programs when i was testing it but they all worked pretty well.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Hebs on October 14, 2008, 06:26:20 PM
Thanks!  I'll try it
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 14, 2008, 06:36:07 PM
I thought you went with a Mac.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Hebs on October 14, 2008, 06:37:13 PM
I thought you went with a Mac.

it just looks like one ;)

(http://www.anugaas.com/images/Sony_VAIO_VGN_NR180EW_Top.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 14, 2008, 06:40:48 PM
OK anyone have difficulty installing service pack 3 for XP?

I've tried to do it a few times and it just sits there waiting to download. No other update does that.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
OK anyone have difficulty installing service pack 3 for XP?

I've tried to do it a few times and it just sits there waiting to download. No other update does that.
IT takes a while to download - even with a cable modem :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 14, 2008, 06:46:38 PM
No but it doesn't seem to even start

OK so the bar goes all the way to the end on "waiting to download" or whatever that is. The it clears and reads "downloading" but it never even starts.

I'm wondering if I should just get the cd version.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2008, 07:05:53 PM
hmm.. not sure why that is at all :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2008, 07:12:11 PM
From what I've heard you're not missing anything if you can't get SP3 installed. I've only heard complaints of SP3 slowing down computers, but that was for gaming.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2008, 07:14:54 PM
From what I've heard you're not missing anything if you can't get SP3 installed. I've only heard complaints of SP3 slowing down computers, but that was for gaming.
yeah, same here..

I have it on all my computers and I haven't noticed a lot of difference..

Think it''s just security upgrades mostly
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 15, 2008, 06:30:15 AM
OK well maybe I'll wait a bit then. :)

Here's another thing, I used to know this but it was a while ago that i did it so I can't remember how now, how do I shut off the fecking annoying feature on firefox whereby it starts guessing what page I want to look at as I'm typing an address in?

I know I need to do it by typing "about:config" in the location bar but I can't remember what I need to change to remove that function.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 15, 2008, 06:33:36 AM
Gees.. I know nothing about FireFox either.. :-[

I must be dropping out of the loop and not even know it :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 15, 2008, 07:52:35 AM
Gees.. I know nothing about FireFox either.. :-[

I must be dropping out of the loop and not even know it :-\

You're still using IE? RVR, man, get with the program...literally, in this case.
Indeed, it's pretty fricking handy. Get it and use the Noscript, Adblock, and flashblock addons. You'll feel like an Internet God.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 15, 2008, 08:15:04 AM
Gees.. I know nothing about FireFox either.. :-[

I must be dropping out of the loop and not even know it :-\

You're still using IE? RVR, man, get with the program...literally, in this case.
Indeed, it's pretty fricking handy. Get it and use the Noscript, Adblock, and flashblock addons. You'll feel like an Internet God.
:'(
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Hebs on October 15, 2008, 08:45:22 AM
Gees.. I know nothing about FireFox either.. :-[

I must be dropping out of the loop and not even know it :-\

You're still using IE? RVR, man, get with the program...literally, in this case.
Indeed, it's pretty fricking handy. Get it and use the Noscript, Adblock, and flashblock addons. You'll feel like an Internet God.
:'(

Don't worry RVR, I'm pretty net savvy and I still use IE.  I have Firefox 3 but I rarely use it.  My computer has stayed virus-free! Yay!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 15, 2008, 12:47:48 PM
I'm pretty net savvy and I still use IE. 

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Hebs on October 15, 2008, 12:49:26 PM
I'm pretty net savvy and I still use IE.

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

 :D 

I can view more plugins and extensions in my IE browser, but I have Firefox as a back up. 
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 15, 2008, 12:51:47 PM
I'm using Safari, so what do I know anyway?   ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on October 15, 2008, 01:12:28 PM
I'm pretty net savvy and I still use IE.

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

 :D 

I can view more plugins and extensions in my IE browser, but I have Firefox as a back up. 

Which ones can't you view in Firefox? I've not had any trouble thus far.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: mrbasehart on October 16, 2008, 03:28:58 PM
So....anyone know how I can bypass the region detection on Hulu so I watch Rifftrax? :)  An anonymizer doesn't work.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 16, 2008, 03:30:16 PM
Proxy sites ain't working either?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: mrbasehart on October 16, 2008, 03:31:55 PM
I've tried before, but no luck. 
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 25, 2008, 09:44:26 PM
So, there are mac-heads here...what do you do with an old mac? The recycling programs they talk about only seem applicable if you're buying a new one--we're not, I've rescued my wife from that.

And there seems to be no way to wipe the machine or anything like that.  So what do we do with it?

Send it to:

bettertomorrowamy "recycling" program
PO Box 175
Waverly, NE  68462-0175
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 26, 2008, 04:14:39 AM
Do you accept 'other' stuff for recycling as well?? :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 26, 2008, 06:59:44 AM
Do you accept 'other' stuff for recycling as well?? :o

No organic substances, please.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 26, 2008, 07:12:05 AM
Do you accept 'other' stuff for recycling as well?? :o

No organic substances, please.
Well, shucks :-X
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 26, 2008, 04:38:52 PM
Apple Recycle Program (http://www.apple.com/education/shop/recycle/)

That's just for schools I guess.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 26, 2008, 04:43:13 PM
This is the customer recycling offer:
http://www.apple.com/environment/recycling/program/ (http://www.apple.com/environment/recycling/program/)

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 26, 2008, 07:56:48 PM
So, there are mac-heads here...what do you do with an old mac? The recycling programs they talk about only seem applicable if you're buying a new one--we're not, I've rescued my wife from that.

And there seems to be no way to wipe the machine or anything like that.  So what do we do with it?

Send it to:

bettertomorrowamy "recycling" program
PO Box 175
Waverly, NE  68462-0175
Title: My Computer Died.
Post by: Rude on November 22, 2008, 05:34:53 PM
...

RIP: My Computer

Got it a few years back from some gamer kid on eBay who had to sell it for way less than it was worth. Now it's dead... everything is gone. All my files, programs, settings, everything... gone.

Goodbye old computer. Hello new Gateway, crappy keyboard and Windows Vista. We may hate each other now, but we're going to have to learn to get along. <sigh>

-Rude
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: saltwrench on November 22, 2008, 06:13:12 PM
Condolences...I'm currently on my 3rd motherboard for my 7 year old computer, why don't I just buy a new one you ask?  Ya know...I never thought about it...

Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a motherboard that fits all the hardware I have from seven years ago? ;)
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 22, 2008, 06:18:29 PM
That's tough, dude. I myself have lost a hard drive or two, and it's a true pain to have to get all your lost things back, many of which cannot be retrieved. It's all part of Microsoft's plight to make you upgrade! [/conspiracy theory]

I can just picture the conversation now: "All right, new PC. You don't like me, and I don't like you..."   ;)
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: SaucyRossy on November 22, 2008, 06:21:28 PM
That sucks buddy. It's also why i back up everything on three different external hard drives
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Rude on November 22, 2008, 06:40:49 PM
...

You guys know of any good hard drive docks? I'm pretty sure everything is still there. I'd love something with a USB connection and that uses software which will allow the files to be immediately readable via Windows Vista. In fact, i have a few old hard drives lying around that might be worth scavenging.

-Rude
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 22, 2008, 06:57:29 PM
...

You guys know of any good hard drive docks? I'm pretty sure everything is still there. I'd love something with a USB connection and that uses software which will allow the files to be immediately readable via Windows Vista. In fact, i have a few old hard drives lying around that might be worth scavenging.

-Rude

As far as I know, Vista uses the same file system as XP(which I assume you had), so you can go to Radio Shack or an electronics store and purchase an external hard drive enclosure. Many of them have USB connections, so all you have to do is plug it in. Easy peasy.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: MSTJedi on November 22, 2008, 07:22:13 PM
I take it your old computer used IDE connections and the new one has SATA. I have to do minor work on my work computer from time to time and I've noticed my work PC has SATA instead of IDE like my old school PC at home. I'd love to upgrade, but as Rude pointed out, you basically have to buy a whole new computer in order to upgrade. New motherboard, new RAM, new HDs. Not to mention my old CRT monitor is constantly threatening to crap out on me (keeps flickering a little on the sides). Computers are such a pain to keep current.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 22, 2008, 07:30:41 PM
Not to mention my old CRT monitor is constantly threatening to crap out on me (keeps flickering a little on the sides).

Perhaps you can use that as an excuse to purchase a shiny new LCD on Black Friday?

Just sayin'...  ;D
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: saltwrench on November 22, 2008, 07:34:34 PM
Not to mention my old CRT monitor is constantly threatening to crap out on me (keeps flickering a little on the sides).

Perhaps you can use that as an excuse to purchase a shiny new LCD on Black Friday?

Just sayin'...  ;D

As long as you're not married....in which case there is never any justification for buying anything, ever...unless its for her.  I've been lobbying for a new monitor for 2 years....but...well...its just too cliche to expound upon...
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 22, 2008, 08:20:30 PM
Not to mention my old CRT monitor is constantly threatening to crap out on me (keeps flickering a little on the sides).

Perhaps you can use that as an excuse to purchase a shiny new LCD on Black Friday?

Just sayin'...  ;D

As long as you're not married....in which case there is never any justification for buying anything, ever...unless its for her.  I've been lobbying for a new monitor for 2 years....but...well...its just too cliche to expound upon...

Sometimes you really DO have to put your foot down. All the way. Until it reaches the floor. And don't let her tell you no. Like that commercial where the guy and his wife are watching TV, and their TV is so crappy it actually fails in a cloud of smoke, then the wife lets him go buy a new one... NOT IN MY HOUSEHOLD. She can have whatever she wants, but I require a working TV. Anyone who is so whipped they can't even get rid of an OBVIOUSLY bad TV, well, there's just no excuse for that. Someone should punch that idiot in the head for not standing up for what is right.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: RVR II on November 22, 2008, 08:27:33 PM
Aw Rude.. A Gateway?! With Vista?!?! :gouge:

May your patience be one with The Force young Jedi.. :speechless:
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: MSTJedi on November 23, 2008, 01:03:34 AM
Not to mention my old CRT monitor is constantly threatening to crap out on me (keeps flickering a little on the sides).

Perhaps you can use that as an excuse to purchase a shiny new LCD on Black Friday?

Just sayin'...  ;D

As long as you're not married....in which case there is never any justification for buying anything, ever...unless its for her.  I've been lobbying for a new monitor for 2 years....but...well...its just too cliche to expound upon...

Sometimes you really DO have to put your foot down. All the way. Until it reaches the floor. And don't let her tell you no. Like that commercial where the guy and his wife are watching TV, and their TV is so crappy it actually fails in a cloud of smoke, then the wife lets him go buy a new one... NOT IN MY HOUSEHOLD. She can have whatever she wants, but I require a working TV. Anyone who is so whipped they can't even get rid of an OBVIOUSLY bad TV, well, there's just no excuse for that. Someone should punch that idiot in the head for not standing up for what is right.

I am married . . . with children, so for the most part, I don't get the shiny toys to play with that I want. Still don't have a 360, for instance. Or an HD TV. She's admitted that we'll have to get another monitor when this one goes out, but I don't think she'll let me until it actually happens.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 23, 2008, 05:33:47 AM
Not to mention my old CRT monitor is constantly threatening to crap out on me (keeps flickering a little on the sides).

Perhaps you can use that as an excuse to purchase a shiny new LCD on Black Friday?

Just sayin'...  ;D

As long as you're not married....in which case there is never any justification for buying anything, ever...unless its for her.  I've been lobbying for a new monitor for 2 years....but...well...its just too cliche to expound upon...

Sometimes you really DO have to put your foot down. All the way. Until it reaches the floor. And don't let her tell you no. Like that commercial where the guy and his wife are watching TV, and their TV is so crappy it actually fails in a cloud of smoke, then the wife lets him go buy a new one... NOT IN MY HOUSEHOLD. She can have whatever she wants, but I require a working TV. Anyone who is so whipped they can't even get rid of an OBVIOUSLY bad TV, well, there's just no excuse for that. Someone should punch that idiot in the head for not standing up for what is right.

I am married . . . with children, so for the most part, I don't get the shiny toys to play with that I want. Still don't have a 360, for instance. Or an HD TV. She's admitted that we'll have to get another monitor when this one goes out, but I don't think she'll let me until it actually happens.

Okay, since you have kids, I completely understand your situation. They are far more important that your choice of monitor. Well, I hope you're able to get a new one soon.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Chaos on November 23, 2008, 05:44:15 AM
I've honestly never understood the "you can't have X" thing between married couples. How is it a partnership if one person needs PERMISSION from the other to do something? Especially if the other buys whatever the fuck they want without clearing it first. Buying little things for $10-20 at a time adds up to a new $200 monitor pretty damn fast.

The "shit I want" fund is built right into our budget. If we want to get something for ourselves, we just save that money up for a couple of months or however long it takes to save up enough, and buy it, no questions asked. We also use that fund for things like buying ourselves lunch when we just can't be arsed to pack one to take to work. But even if we didn't have a budget for this kind of stuff, my wife still wouldn't stop me from buying something I wanted as long as it wasn't going to break us, just like I'm not going to tell her she can't have a new purse if she wants it (because frankly, hers is looking pretty old and busted anyway - I wish she'd buy a damn new one already...).

If your significant other tries to pull the money nazi act on you, and you can't break out of it any other way, I suggest you try the budget approach.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: RVR II on November 23, 2008, 07:35:48 AM
Since I have a small business in my house, my explanation to the wife is .. 'We NEED This for Tax Season!' And it soon arrives 8)
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Bob on November 23, 2008, 07:56:39 AM
Since I have a small business in my house, my explanation to the wife is .. 'We NEED This for Tax Season!' And it soon arrives 8)

Just THINK of all the trouble you will be in if your wife ever signs up for a Rifftrax forum ID   :scared:


But, back on topic, I really DO recommend an external hard drive to store all your music, files, videos, etc.     This way, if your PC crashes, you do have some insurance.    Now, keep in mind, hard drives fail too, so backing up on DVDs every so often is recommended too.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: RVR II on November 23, 2008, 08:08:49 AM
Since I have a small business in my house, my explanation to the wife is .. 'We NEED This for Tax Season!' And it soon arrives 8)

Just THINK of all the trouble you will be in if your wife ever signs up for a Rifftrax forum ID   :scared:
I got that covered too 8)
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: mrbasehart on November 23, 2008, 08:09:51 AM
Yeah, he'll pretend to be someone else on the forum.  :)

That or RVR will suddenly become a "guest."
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: RVR II on November 23, 2008, 08:12:56 AM
Yeah, he'll pretend to be someone else on the forum.  :)

That or RVR will suddenly become a "guest."
Or, I'll be talkin in nothing but Spanish in the hopes I can get back home :speechless:
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 23, 2008, 10:22:33 AM
Now, keep in mind, hard drives fail too, so backing up on DVDs every so often is recommended too.

As long as you don't somehow end up with DVDs that instinctively know the second you wipe the things burned on it off your hard drive....and they then suddenly decide they don't want to work anymore for no damn reason....   :angry:
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Bob on November 23, 2008, 10:42:30 AM
Now, keep in mind, hard drives fail too, so backing up on DVDs every so often is recommended too.

As long as you don't somehow end up with DVDs that instinctively know the second you wipe the things burned on it off your hard drive....and they then suddenly decide they don't want to work anymore for no damn reason....   :angry:

I don't shop at the Microsoft store anymore. :rimshot:
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 23, 2008, 10:48:14 AM
Now, keep in mind, hard drives fail too, so backing up on DVDs every so often is recommended too.

As long as you don't somehow end up with DVDs that instinctively know the second you wipe the things burned on it off your hard drive....and they then suddenly decide they don't want to work anymore for no damn reason....   :angry:

I don't shop at the Microsoft store anymore. :rimshot:
I never did.  And it doesn't seem to matter which brand, so far.  Haven't tried them all yet.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Bob on November 23, 2008, 11:00:05 AM
A friend of mine actually got TWO USB external hard drives and he backs up one hard drive on the other.

And no, he does not wear a belt and suspenders both.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: RVR II on November 23, 2008, 11:07:00 AM
A friend of mine actually got TWO USB external hard drives and he backs up one hard drive on the other.

And no, he does not wear a belt and suspenders both.
Bet he wears hi-waters.. :-X
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 23, 2008, 11:26:59 AM
A friend of mine actually got TWO USB external hard drives and he backs up one hard drive on the other.

Wow....thought I was paranoid.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 23, 2008, 11:28:55 AM
Now, keep in mind, hard drives fail too, so backing up on DVDs every so often is recommended too.

As long as you don't somehow end up with DVDs that instinctively know the second you wipe the things burned on it off your hard drive....and they then suddenly decide they don't want to work anymore for no damn reason....   :angry:

I don't shop at the Microsoft store anymore. :rimshot:
I never did.  And it doesn't seem to matter which brand, so far.  Haven't tried them all yet.

As long as you get a good name brand, you can be assured that they are in working order. Next is the  burning software, which can sometimes not work properly, and also the burner itself might be screwed up and creating errors during the burning process...
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: PsypherPunk on November 23, 2008, 11:30:31 AM
A friend of mine actually got TWO USB external hard drives and he backs up one hard drive on the other.
I gots this:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31tZtysof%2BL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
RAID1'd, 1TB NAS drive for all my storage/backup needs   ;D
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Chaos on November 23, 2008, 12:17:38 PM
Only 1 TB? And split to RAID? Lightweight. :D
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Bob on November 23, 2008, 12:36:56 PM
A friend of mine actually got TWO USB external hard drives and he backs up one hard drive on the other.

Wow....thought I was paranoid.

He is so much into backing things up, he has six kidneys.   Honestly, he does.    But he is a mormon and does not drink so he is TOTALLY wasting them.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: RVR II on November 23, 2008, 12:39:00 PM
A friend of mine actually got TWO USB external hard drives and he backs up one hard drive on the other.

Wow....thought I was paranoid.

He is so much into backing things up, he has six kidneys.   Honestly, he does.    But he is a mormon and does not drink so he is TOTALLY wasting them.
Don't Mormons back up there wives too?? :-X
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 23, 2008, 12:53:10 PM
Now, keep in mind, hard drives fail too, so backing up on DVDs every so often is recommended too.

As long as you don't somehow end up with DVDs that instinctively know the second you wipe the things burned on it off your hard drive....and they then suddenly decide they don't want to work anymore for no damn reason....   :angry:

I don't shop at the Microsoft store anymore. :rimshot:
I never did.  And it doesn't seem to matter which brand, so far.  Haven't tried them all yet.

As long as you get a good name brand, you can be assured that they are in working order. Next is the  burning software, which can sometimes not work properly, and also the burner itself might be screwed up and creating errors during the burning process...
If it was the first time, I'd say that was possibly it but....

After the first time I started playing the DVD or checking the files before I emptied the Recycling Bin.  After they all worked, I'd finally dump the files and put the DVD in storage.   Try to use the DVD again and it locks up the computer or says there's nothing on it or whatever...

And I'm beating my head on the table.  Can't figure it out.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Chaos on November 23, 2008, 03:11:29 PM
Clearly, the god of computers hates you.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Bairman on November 23, 2008, 07:27:54 PM
Only 1 TB? And split to RAID? Lightweight. :D

Heh-heh.  I'm currently at 6 TB.  I have more storage on my home network than the company I work for has on theirs.
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Bob on November 23, 2008, 07:29:18 PM
Only 1 TB? And split to RAID? Lightweight. :D

Heh-heh.  I'm currently at 6 TB.  I have more storage on my home network than the company I work for has on theirs.

Well, porn DOES take up a lot of space......
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Bairman on November 23, 2008, 07:31:38 PM
Only 1 TB? And split to RAID? Lightweight. :D

Heh-heh.  I'm currently at 6 TB.  I have more storage on my home network than the company I work for has on theirs.

Well, porn DOES take up a lot of space......

So does 70+ RiffTrax ISOs.    ;)
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Bob on November 23, 2008, 07:32:54 PM
Only 1 TB? And split to RAID? Lightweight. :D

Heh-heh.  I'm currently at 6 TB.  I have more storage on my home network than the company I work for has on theirs.

Well, porn DOES take up a lot of space......

So does 70+ RiffTrax ISOs.    ;)

Yeah, I imagine those bad boys do take up a lot  of room.   
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Tripe on November 23, 2008, 07:36:28 PM
Speaking of data storage, might this not be better appended to the other computer thread now? ;)
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: RVR II on November 23, 2008, 07:38:04 PM
Only 1 TB? And split to RAID? Lightweight. :D

Heh-heh.  I'm currently at 6 TB.  I have more storage on my home network than the company I work for has on theirs.

Well, porn DOES take up a lot of space......

So does 70+ RiffTrax ISOs.    ;)

Yeah, I imagine those bad boys do take up a lot  of room.   
I can vouch for that as well 8)
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: RVR II on November 23, 2008, 07:38:24 PM
Speaking of data storage, might this not be better appended to the other computer thread now? ;)
YES :-X
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Chaos on November 23, 2008, 07:53:20 PM
Only 1 TB? And split to RAID? Lightweight. :D

Heh-heh.  I'm currently at 6 TB.  I have more storage on my home network than the company I work for has on theirs.

Not bad, not bad. I think I would classify you as a bantamweight. :)
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Rude on November 23, 2008, 07:56:14 PM
...

Bah, who needs all that? I'm still storing data on cassette tapes. Woo-Hoo text-based adventure games!

-Rude
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: RVR II on November 23, 2008, 07:58:50 PM
Only 1 TB? And split to RAID? Lightweight. :D

Heh-heh.  I'm currently at 6 TB.  I have more storage on my home network than the company I work for has on theirs.

Not bad, not bad. I think I would classify you as a bantamweight. :)
Well, lets see..
I have 3 TB in the main computer I'm on currently.. (2 - 750 GB, & 3 - 500 GB hard drives)
500 GB on my wife's computer
500 GB on the receptionist computer
1TB on my main on my front office
500 GB on another tax computer
and 2 TB on my ID/video editing computer (1 - 250GB, 1 - 500GB, &1 -750GB)

Plus 500GB on my video surveillance computer 8)

I Need MORE!! >:D >:D
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: Bairman on November 24, 2008, 03:18:36 AM
So does 70+ RiffTrax ISOs.    ;)

I don't keep ISOs, I just convert the "mixed" .wav into an .mp3 and stick it in the compressed folder. By far the most time-consuming part of a re-author is the conversion of the audio, so with an .mp3 it's relatively simple to convert that back to .ac3.

And since we're all reauthoring these DVDs LEGALLY *ahem* that means we have instant access to the .vobs of the movies whenever we need to re-reauthor anyway.

Ah... but it's not just about storage.  I don't burn RiffTrax to DVD anymore unless I want to take one to a friend's house.  I keep the ISOs on my home theater PC and can watch any of them instantly with only a couple clicks of the remote.  No need to even get out of the La-Z-Boy.    ;)
Title: Re: My Computer Died.
Post by: RVR II on November 24, 2008, 05:50:19 AM
I don't burn RiffTrax to DVD anymore unless I want to take one to a friend's house.  I keep the ISOs on my home theater PC and can watch any of them instantly with only a couple clicks of the remote.  No need to even get out of the La-Z-Boy.    ;)

OOO..

I Must Evolve, Further! :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gammer on November 24, 2008, 07:15:56 AM
I manage about a dozen servers at work (I'm the network Admin) and I use 2 Acer TravelMate laptops for work.
I have a small network at home with 3 desktops (two used for video stuff and one for personal) and one laptop (personal).

Needless to say, I get pretty sick of computers after a while.

I used to work on family and friends computers, but now I don't. 1) Not enough time and 2) Just sick of doing it.

I attended a neat HP seminar last year and one of the things computer companies are doing is trying to look for ways to reduce power consumption. They've predicted that in 4 years computers will draw more from the power grid then anything else combined.
So as you can see, there will be money to be made in power conservation in computers over the next few years.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Chaos on November 24, 2008, 07:30:22 AM
Most definitely true.

The new 45nm processors are helping (they will cut power use of the core CPU by as much as 30% in some cases), but not enough - the peripheral devices and other components of the PC use a lot of power as well. Monitors in particular are pretty nasty consumers, as are devices that people leave on even when their computer is off (like speakers).

I've read some interesting articles over the last few months about ideas for green computers. I'll see if I can dig some up. Personally, I'm in the process of saving up enough money to install a plethora of solar panels on my roof, as well as a wind turbine in my yard. WIthin about 2-3 years, I'll be off the landline power grid entirely and my house will be 100% green.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on November 24, 2008, 07:37:08 AM
Most definitely true.

The new 45nm processors are helping (they will cut power use of the core CPU by as much as 30% in some cases), but not enough - the peripheral devices and other components of the PC use a lot of power as well. Monitors in particular are pretty nasty consumers, as are devices that people leave on even when their computer is off (like speakers).

I've read some interesting articles over the last few months about ideas for green computers. I'll see if I can dig some up. Personally, I'm in the process of saving up enough money to install a plethora of solar panels on my roof, as well as a wind turbine in my yard. WIthin about 2-3 years, I'll be off the landline power grid entirely and my house will be 100% green.

Unless there are bats nearby (http://www.fort.usgs.gov/BatsWindmills/)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Chaos on November 24, 2008, 09:04:55 AM
We don't really get many migratory bats in this area. There are only one or two species that frequent the area, and they're native, non-tree dwellers. So it isn't too much of an issue. Surprisingly, the company I contacted about the wind turbines is aware of the issue, and actually refuses to sell to people who live within the 4 major bat migratory paths in Canada - they had to check my location against their system before they would even start discussing prices. You gotta give credit when a company is actually aware of and taking steps to deal with their environmental impact.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on November 24, 2008, 09:07:39 AM
Yeah I wondered about that when I first read the story.

I wonder if, where there is conflict between flight paths and optimal locations, so sort of redrafting of the flight paths could be effected.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Chaos on November 24, 2008, 09:15:22 AM
One article I read had to do with research by one of the turbine management companies in California, looking into some sort of sonic barrier system. Like a warding system of sound to disrupt the bats so they wouldn't try to fly through the area or roost there. Theoretically it wouldn't suck much power from the grid to run something like that, because you would only need to run it for a few hours at dusk (when they do their migratory flight), and a few more right before dawn (when they are looking for a roost for the day). The whole thing could be automated on light sensors and run off of the energy already being produced by the turbines. Seems like the most logical answer to me.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on November 27, 2008, 11:16:15 AM
So, I'm planning our next computer, and, even as cheap as components are, it might be more cost-effective just to buy an off-the-shelf one, and jazz it up as needed.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 27, 2008, 11:24:51 AM
So, I'm planning our next computer, and, even as cheap as components are, it might be more cost-effective just to buy an off-the-shelf one, and jazz it up as needed.
I Assume you're stickin with something XP pro or something non Mac & non Vista correct?

I've got 2 spare desktop systems that I'm letting go for $300 With XP Pro already installed.. Not that I'm trying to sell you one of mine er aything.. Just posting that info ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on November 27, 2008, 11:34:31 AM
What are the processors?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 27, 2008, 11:37:45 AM
What are the processors?
1 Socket 478 & 1 Socket 775 Celeron D 2.53 gb (both)

Along with 80 gb hard drive, 1 gb of DDR ram in each
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on November 27, 2008, 11:54:32 AM
Thanks anyway. This time I'm trying to at least keep up with what's current. So, probably at least a Dual-Core Duo for me (I want Laurie to have a machine for gaming).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 27, 2008, 11:56:56 AM
Thanks anyway. This time I'm trying to at least keep up with what's current. So, probably at least a Dual-Core Duo for me (I want Laurie to have a machine for gaming).
That's cool. I completely understand..

I upgraded a couple of mine for the upcoming tax season recently for better efficiency and these are the old setups.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on December 14, 2008, 07:43:26 PM
So, my Xmas present for Laurie is a new computer. I've got most of the components picked out, but I have a couple questions I could use some input on:

First, about Windows: I've used XP Pro since I went to XP, and had virtually none of the problems that people I knew with XP Home had. As I understand it, that was largely because the two OSes had different basic architecture. Now, with Service Pack 3 out there, I have to wonder: are the differences between the two still considerable (I almost never hear about problems with XP Home nowadays)?

Then, regarding hard drives: I'm looking at drives from Samsung and Western Digital. I usually go by price on these things, but drives are so cheap now that that's not so much a factor. So, what do people think is the better of those two brands?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 14, 2008, 07:53:44 PM
I am not aware of any issues w/ SP3 on either Home or Pro, but I use only Pro on all my systems..

As for hard drives; I use Seagate  and Western Digital hard drives in All my systems, but if I had to choose, I'd go with Western Digital for their reliability and customer support (personal experience).. Never used Samsung before..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 10, 2009, 09:39:08 AM
So... Now that Vista has been confirmed a 'FLOP', what will Windows 7 be like??

Here's a bit of insite.. I guess..
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/08/microsoft.ballmer/index.html
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on January 10, 2009, 11:24:13 AM
Cool, so if I hold out a little longer I can avoid Vista entirely.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 10, 2009, 11:26:07 AM
Cool, so if I hold out a little longer I can avoid Vista entirely.
That's what I'm doing.. 8)

In fact, I got a couple people lined up to go back to XP this coming week :D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RoninFox on January 10, 2009, 02:36:37 PM
I know a friend who's been testing it, says its a LOT less annoying so far compared to Vista.  I don't understand a lot of what he says when it comes to computers (he's many many times the tech head that I am, it is his career after all) but it does have me curious.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 10, 2009, 03:06:59 PM
I know a friend who's been testing it, says its a LOT less annoying so far compared to Vista.  I don't understand a lot of what he says when it comes to computers (he's many many times the tech head that I am, it is his career after all) but it does have me curious.
I'll still wait at least a year or more before I give it a go.. :-\

A buddy of mine has this super powerful Mac ($6500.00; 8 core and more..) that he uses Pro Tools on, and he Loves Mac!
But for my line of work (income tax preperation), XP is good enough for me ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 10, 2009, 04:59:56 PM
Did I miss the "official declaration" that Vista is no good?

I've been using it for 2 years now, with zero problems.
I've been reading about it for that long to know I won't use it, and now with more articles about Windows 7's early release, that pretty much sums it up; official or not
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on January 10, 2009, 06:01:13 PM
What does windows 7 do to "fix" Vista? What exactly are your problems with it?

My only beef was that they took away the "go up one level" button in the explorer, but I got used to that eventually.
The only thing I know that is really wrong with Vista is the compatibility it has with a variety of machines. I tried out the 64-bit Ultimate version of Vista and it worked fine with my machine with only one noticeable hiccup while running it. I have heard however from different people with different machines (usually older pc) having problems with driver compatibility issues. I would hope Windows 7 is going the route of trying to rectify this huge problem. I can't imagine how many billions of dollars they've lost over Vista and can't really afford to lose more over Windows 7 while they've got Zune's crapping out and 360's with hardware issues.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on January 11, 2009, 01:54:59 PM
>cracks knuckles<

Allrighty. My partner Laurie's computer died in March of last year, before she even moved back from Alabama. Since then, she's been hogging up mine. Now that her new computer is up and running, it's time to make with the stats:


Intel Core 2 Duo E7300 processor (FSB 1066 MHz; 3MB cache)
ASUS P5N73-AM Motherboard (can accommodate a Core 2 Quad chip later, when the prices come down)
4GB RAM (DDR2800)
GeForce 9400 video card (128-bit; 512MB DDR2 memory)
Wireless card
Western Digital 160GB SATA hard drive
Lite-On DVD-R/+R burner (because it came bundled with)
CoolerMaster 500-watt power supply
CoolerMaster Elite 340 mini-tower case (she didn't need a new case, but it was frankly easier than stripping all the stuff out of the old one)
(http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/upload/product/2721/gallery/full/1.jpg?2078135008)
Windows Vista Basic OS (mostly for budgetary reasons; there's no 64-bit version of XP Home, and I didn't want to spring for XP Pro. So far it works fine)
Samsung 19" LCD 1440x900 monitor (she didn't need a new monitor, but I can't say no, I guess)
(http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/01/17/ls19mykefvxaa/943BWX_medium.jpg)
Title: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: Thrifty on January 22, 2009, 06:39:15 PM
I'm trying to accommodate SATA hard drives (impossible with my current mother board), more memory (currently 1 Gb), a better processor (currently Celeron 1.8 Ghz CPU) and a PCI-express.  Also I wanted a prettier case.  Right now I have this thing with a 480 Watt power supply (http://www.directron.com/atxb8klwbl.html).

Okay, so putting together the PC should be a piece of cake.  I know how to connect cabling inside the computer, finding compatible memory and add on cards.  Here's where I'm lost; how do I find a motherboard that I know will fit and work with my power supply?  I've only bought a case and power supply.  I've never installed a motherboard before.

Help me out here.
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: RVR II on January 22, 2009, 06:55:46 PM
You need to check out this thread..
http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,4880.0.html

And visit this site..
http://www.pricewatch.com/public/
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: MSTJedi on January 22, 2009, 06:57:18 PM
Ooh, you're gonna have plenty of fun installing the processor in the motherboard your first time. I speak from experience. As for the size of the motherboard, it depends on what size of case it is. Since that perty little thing is mid-ATX, you need to find a motherboard that will fit a mid case. Also make sure that the power source is enough for whatever motherboard you get. As far as I know, 480W should be fine as long as you don't put a huge video card in the computer or anything. But the last time I upgraded was several years ago, so someone may know a little more about newer processors and whatnot.
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: Thrifty on January 22, 2009, 07:01:24 PM
Ooh, you're gonna have plenty of fun installing the processor in the motherboard your first time. I speak from experience. As for the size of the motherboard, it depends on what size of case it is. Since that perty little thing is mid-ATX, you need to find a motherboard that will fit a mid case. Also make sure that the power source is enough for whatever motherboard you get. As far as I know, 480W should be fine as long as you don't put a huge video card in the computer or anything. But the last time I upgraded was several years ago, so someone may know a little more about newer processors and whatnot.

I've plopped processors into motherboards before.  It's usually a pretty simple "lift the lever, plop it in the ZIF socket, lower the lever" affair.  Also, I'm going to buy a motherboard with a processor pre-installed.
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: RVR II on January 22, 2009, 07:01:47 PM
I would recommend upgrading Everything (processor, motherboard, & memory)

On Price Watch .com, some of the companies sell the combos already assembled and all you have to do is instal it in the case  :o
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: Piobman on January 22, 2009, 07:09:10 PM
If your processor comes separated from the heat sink/fan... then you may have to apply some special glue to it first. Just makes sure the prongs all line up and you should be good to go. If all this scares you, or you don't want to bother. I recommend just buying a barebone system at tigerdirect.com. You can pretty much custom build it with power supply etc. Make sure you get a good power supply. Most people skimp on that portion and pay for it later in the end (cheap ones can by noisy and fail often).
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: MSTJedi on January 22, 2009, 07:34:49 PM
I would recommend upgrading Everything (processor, motherboard, & memory)

On Price Watch .com, some of the companies sell the combos already assembled and all you have to do is instal it in the case  :o

I'm basically to the point with my system that I'd have to start over from scratch to catch up with a mid-level current system. So I'll probably just skip trying to do it on my own and go for a decent tower package . . . when I get the money to upgrade.

If your processor comes separated from the heat sink/fan... then you may have to apply some special glue to it first. Just makes sure the prongs all line up and you should be good to go.

Yep, that was my situation the last go-round. Lining everything up was a pain, but I eventually figured it out.
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: RVR II on January 22, 2009, 07:52:40 PM
By the way..
I have 2 complete towers for sale; both with Intel Celeron 2.5g processors, 1gig of DDR RAM, 80 gig hard drives completely wiped with valid licensed Windows XP Professional already reinstalled on them..
One is going for $250 (Silver case-has a CD Rom drive), the other for $300 (Black case-has a DVD burner)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/Computersforsale.jpg)

I can install MS Office 2007 for $100 more (I paid for 10 license keys at $100 per license and have 4 left)

These are left over systems from my office that I no longer need so if anyone's interested, PM me
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: gbeenie on January 22, 2009, 10:29:09 PM
If you're going to change your motherboard, make sure you have the disc(s) for your OS on-hand, and back up anything on your main drive you don't want to lose. You're almost certainly going to have to reinstall.
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: Thrifty on January 23, 2009, 04:09:05 AM
Ooh, you're gonna have plenty of fun installing the processor in the motherboard your first time. I speak from experience. As for the size of the motherboard, it depends on what size of case it is. Since that perty little thing is mid-ATX, you need to find a motherboard that will fit a mid case. Also make sure that the power source is enough for whatever motherboard you get. As far as I know, 480W should be fine as long as you don't put a huge video card in the computer or anything. But the last time I upgraded was several years ago, so someone may know a little more about newer processors and whatnot.

I'm still a little foggy on the fits and form factors of motherboards.  This specification is a little more detailed (http://www.cybertronpc.com/Itemdesc~ic~CAS-ASP-XPBKBL~eq~~Tp~~PCc~.htm).  Under "main board", it says "Standard ATX /  Baby AT / Micro ATX".

So here I did a search on Newegg for "CPU + Processor" and set the filters to Microatx (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000200446+1075707619&Configurator=&Subcategory=446&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=).   So any of these motherboards will fit the case, based on the specifications?  Right?  I sure as shootin' don't want to buy something that doesn't fit.
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: RVR II on January 23, 2009, 04:44:54 AM
Well it says all 3 will fit..
If you have a mid tower case, then MicroATX (and even babyAT) Will Fit (mATX dimensions is 9.5" x 9.5" or 7.5") Standard ATX larger and May Not fit your case because of its Larger dimensions.

I use MicroATX in most of my machines and a couple of Standard ATX, and I don't notice any difference in performance between them.. :-\

Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: RVR II on January 23, 2009, 05:05:35 AM

So here I did a search on Newegg for "CPU + Processor" and set the filters to Microatx (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000200446+1075707619&Configurator=&Subcategory=446&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=).   So any of these motherboards will fit the case, based on the specifications?  Right?  I sure as shootin' don't want to buy something that doesn't fit.
One thing to watch out for in this list is the Memory..

Something to keep in mind: If it's DDR memory, it's gonna be more expensive.
The Lower the memory speed (333, 400, etc), the Slower it is.

Look for something DDR2 with 800 speed at least otherwise, your 'upgrade' is gonna be slow in performace.
Of those listed; BioStar & PCchips are the only 2 that offer that setup
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: Thrifty on January 23, 2009, 08:17:13 AM

So here I did a search on Newegg for "CPU + Processor" and set the filters to Microatx (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000200446+1075707619&Configurator=&Subcategory=446&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=).   So any of these motherboards will fit the case, based on the specifications?  Right?  I sure as shootin' don't want to buy something that doesn't fit.
One thing to watch out for in this list is the Memory..

Something to keep in mind: If it's DDR memory, it's gonna be more expensive.
The Lower the memory speed (333, 400, etc), the Slower it is.

Look for something DDR2 with 800 speed at least otherwise, your 'upgrade' is gonna be slow in performace.
Of those listed; BioStar & PCchips are the only 2 that offer that setup

Thanks for the input.  Now it's a tough toss-up between BioStar and PCchips.  I need IDE ports (that's the same as PATA, right)? so that my DVD-RW drive will work, but I also need SATA ports so I can put in a high-end hard drive (I'm thinking 1.5 Tb).

Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: RVR II on January 23, 2009, 09:06:59 AM

So here I did a search on Newegg for "CPU + Processor" and set the filters to Microatx (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000200446+1075707619&Configurator=&Subcategory=446&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=).   So any of these motherboards will fit the case, based on the specifications?  Right?  I sure as shootin' don't want to buy something that doesn't fit.
One thing to watch out for in this list is the Memory..

Something to keep in mind: If it's DDR memory, it's gonna be more expensive.
The Lower the memory speed (333, 400, etc), the Slower it is.

Look for something DDR2 with 800 speed at least otherwise, your 'upgrade' is gonna be slow in performace.
Of those listed; BioStar & PCchips are the only 2 that offer that setup

Thanks for the input.  Now it's a tough toss-up between BioStar and PCchips.  I need IDE ports (that's the same as PATA, right)? so that my DVD-RW drive will work, but I also need SATA ports so I can put in a high-end hard drive (I'm thinking 1.5 Tb).


Hmm..  That's gonna be your Biggest delima right there with only 1 IDE connection on both motherboards.. IDE's are being phased out and it's very difficult to find a motherboard with 2 IDE's anymore..

I have my Operating System hard drive as a IDE hard drive (they connect with those 'tape worm' looking data cables..), and my storage and ROM drives as SATA..
You can maybe get away with 1 IDE hard drive and 1 IDE rom drive on 1 IDE cable (hard drive as Master, and disc drive as Slave) on 1 IDE cable but it's not recommended as it can cause data transfer errors..

You may just have to decide what to sacrifice IDE wise.. :-\
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: Thrifty on January 23, 2009, 11:26:31 AM

So here I did a search on Newegg for "CPU + Processor" and set the filters to Microatx (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000200446+1075707619&Configurator=&Subcategory=446&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=).   So any of these motherboards will fit the case, based on the specifications?  Right?  I sure as shootin' don't want to buy something that doesn't fit.
One thing to watch out for in this list is the Memory..

Something to keep in mind: If it's DDR memory, it's gonna be more expensive.
The Lower the memory speed (333, 400, etc), the Slower it is.

Look for something DDR2 with 800 speed at least otherwise, your 'upgrade' is gonna be slow in performace.
Of those listed; BioStar & PCchips are the only 2 that offer that setup

Thanks for the input.  Now it's a tough toss-up between BioStar and PCchips.  I need IDE ports (that's the same as PATA, right)? so that my DVD-RW drive will work, but I also need SATA ports so I can put in a high-end hard drive (I'm thinking 1.5 Tb).


Hmm..  That's gonna be your Biggest delima right there with only 1 IDE connection on both motherboards.. IDE's are being phased out and it's very difficult to find a motherboard with 2 IDE's anymore..

I have my Operating System hard drive as a IDE hard drive (they connect with those 'tape worm' looking data cables..), and my storage and ROM drives as SATA..
You can maybe get away with 1 IDE hard drive and 1 IDE rom drive on 1 IDE cable (hard drive as Master, and disc drive as Slave) on 1 IDE cable but it's not recommended as it can cause data transfer errors..

You may just have to decide what to sacrifice IDE wise.. :-\

I think you misunderstand because I erroneously pluralized "IDE port".  I actually need one, to keep my DVD-RW drive working.  My intent is to replace the IDE hard drives in my current PC with a SATA drive in the 1.5 Tb range.

My dilemna here is on memory.  One of those boards has the capacity for 16 Gb, the other just 4 Gb.  But on the other hand, if I tried to go past 4 Gb, I'd need to move to a 64 bit operating system.  Also, WTF am I going to do with 16 Gb of memory anyway (you're probably also asking what I'm going to do with 1.5 Tb of hard drive space).
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on January 23, 2009, 11:45:45 AM
I'm not a fan of Micro ATX, as there will be space issues for add-ons such as video cards, sound cards, possible USB cards, etc.

Unless you want a small case for a small fit, go the regular size route. It's just not worth the effort of putting together your own computer if there's no room for upgrades.

I've got a PC Chips motherboard/chip combo, and it's micro ATX, and I ended up losing one of the PCI ports because of space constraints. Go with the standard ATX is my advice.

Also, there are few home computing reasons to go above 4 gigs of RAM. Unless you do some serious video editing or have the software to take advantage of high RAM amounts, it's just overkill.
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: RVR II on January 23, 2009, 11:58:55 AM
Yeah.. 16gb is Insane! I think that was for Vista er some 'super duper OS' ::)

True; 3gb is all you need for Windows XP Pro (what I still use on all my systems)

I'd just go with 2 -1gb sticks and 2 -512mb sticks of DDR2 800 memory and hold at that myself..
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: RVR II on January 23, 2009, 12:09:12 PM
Well, here's what I upgraded to last year..

Well, that computer shown at the beginning of this thread (and above also) ,is about to get a Serious Hardware Upgrade this weekend:

The parts just arrived today from NewEgg!
They are as follows:

ASUS P5KC LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Motherboard
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/13-131-188-04.jpg)

Intel Core2 Duo E6850 3.0GHZ processor

A Thermaltake CL-P0401 110mm Full-Range Fan CPU Cooler (This thing Is HUGE!)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/35-106-102-02.jpg)

3GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066 Dual Channel memory (2 X 1GB, and 2 X 512 MB)

and a ATI All-In-Wonder X1900 256MB GDDR3 PCIe video card I bought on Ebay
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/aiwx1900_02.jpg)

along with 2 SATA Lite-On DVD Multi Burners, 2- 500gig SATA Hard Drives, and 1 - 750gig SATA Hard Drive


Everything original (FIC P4 865PE Dynasty, 3GB Socket 478 CPU, and 3 gigs DDR 333 PC2700 RAM, and ATI All in Wonder X800XL AGP video card) is about 4 years old (not the all in wonder - 1 to 2 years old), and is starting to act like it's about to fall apart and/or crash so again this will be a Serious Boost of performance!



EDIT: Oh yeah; forgot to mention the 680w 'Iceberg' power supply from Apevia powering it all ;D

But NewEgg no longer carrys it, but here's some others to confuse you more.. :P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=asus%20775&bop=And&Order=PRICE
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: Piobman on January 23, 2009, 09:12:24 PM
Yeah.. 16gb is Insane! I think that was for Vista er some 'super duper OS' ::)

True; 3gb is all you need for Windows XP Pro (what I still use on all my systems)

I'd just go with 2 -1gb sticks and 2 -512mb sticks of DDR2 800 memory and hold at that myself..

32-bit systems have a limitation of 4gb of ram whether it be vista or xp. There are patches and work arounds, but it does not use the memory properly. So its basically useless to try. You'd have to go to a 64-bit OS in order to accept more... but then most of your old proggies will no longer work.
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: MSTJedi on January 24, 2009, 06:59:15 PM
Yeah.. 16gb is Insane! I think that was for Vista er some 'super duper OS' ::)

True; 3gb is all you need for Windows XP Pro (what I still use on all my systems)

I'd just go with 2 -1gb sticks and 2 -512mb sticks of DDR2 800 memory and hold at that myself..

32-bit systems have a limitation of 4gb of ram whether it be vista or xp. There are patches and work arounds, but it does not use the memory properly. So its basically useless to try. You'd have to go to a 64-bit OS in order to accept more... but then most of your old proggies will no longer work.

Wait, so if I upgrade to a 64-bit processor all of my old PC games will be useless? Not to mention all the freeware apps I've downloaded over the years?

What a bitch.
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: Piobman on January 24, 2009, 07:36:41 PM
Yeah.. 16gb is Insane! I think that was for Vista er some 'super duper OS' ::)

True; 3gb is all you need for Windows XP Pro (what I still use on all my systems)

I'd just go with 2 -1gb sticks and 2 -512mb sticks of DDR2 800 memory and hold at that myself..

32-bit systems have a limitation of 4gb of ram whether it be vista or xp. There are patches and work arounds, but it does not use the memory properly. So its basically useless to try. You'd have to go to a 64-bit OS in order to accept more... but then most of your old proggies will no longer work.

Wait, so if I upgrade to a 64-bit processor all of my old PC games will be useless? Not to mention all the freeware apps I've downloaded over the years?

What a bitch.

Do you want to hear something worse? It's very likely your old hardware may have issues because the drivers need to be 62-bit also! Apparantly, 16-bit apps will not be supported at all. And 32-bits only partially.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on January 25, 2009, 11:19:37 AM
Sometimes progress is just plain stupid.
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: Thrifty on January 26, 2009, 12:10:13 PM
Yeah.. 16gb is Insane! I think that was for Vista er some 'super duper OS' ::)

True; 3gb is all you need for Windows XP Pro (what I still use on all my systems)

I'd just go with 2 -1gb sticks and 2 -512mb sticks of DDR2 800 memory and hold at that myself..

32-bit systems have a limitation of 4gb of ram whether it be vista or xp. There are patches and work arounds, but it does not use the memory properly. So its basically useless to try. You'd have to go to a 64-bit OS in order to accept more... but then most of your old proggies will no longer work.

Wait, so if I upgrade to a 64-bit processor all of my old PC games will be useless? Not to mention all the freeware apps I've downloaded over the years?

What a bitch.

Do you want to hear something worse? It's very likely your old hardware may have issues because the drivers need to be 62-bit also! Apparantly, 16-bit apps will not be supported at all. And 32-bits only partially.

My dad built a computer to plug in to the back of the TV so he could watch, like downloaded movies and Youtube/Hulu/etc., stuff on his TV.  For some reason he also installed Windows XP 64 bit.  Now he can't find a 64-bit compatable DIVX codec, so he can't watch a lot of his movies.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on January 26, 2009, 12:13:23 PM
Well, I got the Biostar motherboard off Newegg, and snagged a 2 Gb stick of memory at the same time.  I think it's more fun NOT to maximize the RAM and leave that wiggle-room for expandability.

Now all I need is a hard drive.  Some time after pay day I'll grab one of those nice 1.5 Tb hard drives I've had my eye on.

Incidentially, suppose I wanted to throw Windows and Program Files all on one partition and leave the rest of my data on another.  How big do you think I should go on the Windows partition?  And can I change my mind later without reformatting the drive and zapping everything?
Title: Re: I'm trying to build a new computer.
Post by: jewishcarpenter on January 26, 2009, 12:18:15 PM
Yeah.. 16gb is Insane! I think that was for Vista er some 'super duper OS' ::)

True; 3gb is all you need for Windows XP Pro (what I still use on all my systems)

I'd just go with 2 -1gb sticks and 2 -512mb sticks of DDR2 800 memory and hold at that myself..

32-bit systems have a limitation of 4gb of ram whether it be vista or xp. There are patches and work arounds, but it does not use the memory properly. So its basically useless to try. You'd have to go to a 64-bit OS in order to accept more... but then most of your old proggies will no longer work.

Wait, so if I upgrade to a 64-bit processor all of my old PC games will be useless? Not to mention all the freeware apps I've downloaded over the years?

What a bitch.

Do you want to hear something worse? It's very likely your old hardware may have issues because the drivers need to be 62-bit also! Apparantly, 16-bit apps will not be supported at all. And 32-bits only partially.

My dad built a computer to plug in to the back of the TV so he could watch, like downloaded movies and Youtube/Hulu/etc., stuff on his TV.  For some reason he also installed Windows XP 64 bit.  Now he can't find a 64-bit compatable DIVX codec, so he can't watch a lot of his movies.
Tell him to try vlc media player, that might work... maybe.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 26, 2009, 12:18:52 PM
I always check Price Watch first, http://www.pricewatch.com/hard_removable_drives/

then check other sites like New Egg for a price comparison..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 26, 2009, 12:23:01 PM
Incidentially, suppose I wanted to throw Windows and Program Files all on one partition and leave the rest of my data on another.  How big do you think I should go on the Windows partition?  And can I change my mind later without reformatting the drive and zapping everything?
I currently have 23 gigs on my OS partition of 200 gigs, and have the other 300 gigs for additional storage (500 gig Western Digital SATA)

Not 100% sure about reformatting a particular partition only, but I think it should b fine.. :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on January 26, 2009, 12:42:49 PM
I always check Price Watch first, http://www.pricewatch.com/hard_removable_drives/

then check other sites like New Egg for a price comparison..


I usually do my comparison shopping at Pricegrabber.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 26, 2009, 12:45:42 PM
I always check Price Watch first, http://www.pricewatch.com/hard_removable_drives/

then check other sites like New Egg for a price comparison..


I usually do my comparison shopping at Pricegrabber.
Ah.. Do you have a website link?? :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on January 26, 2009, 12:46:07 PM
I built Laurie's computer with a 64-bit OS from the ground up; so far, there haven't been any compatibility problems.

p.s. It's above 3 gigs RAM that 32-bit systems can't handle; that's why I went Vista instead of XP Home.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 26, 2009, 12:48:58 PM
p.s. It's above 3 gigs RAM that 32-bit systems can't handle; that's why I went Vista instead of XP Home.
Keep us aprised with your Vista experience.. :-X
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on January 26, 2009, 12:49:14 PM
I always check Price Watch first, http://www.pricewatch.com/hard_removable_drives/

then check other sites like New Egg for a price comparison..


I usually do my comparison shopping at Pricegrabber.
Ah.. Do you have a website link?? :o
www.pricegrabber.com  ;)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 26, 2009, 12:52:26 PM
Cool! Thanks! ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Piobman on January 27, 2009, 01:12:57 AM
Incidentially, suppose I wanted to throw Windows and Program Files all on one partition and leave the rest of my data on another.  How big do you think I should go on the Windows partition?  And can I change my mind later without reformatting the drive and zapping everything?
I currently have 23 gigs on my OS partition of 200 gigs, and have the other 300 gigs for additional storage (500 gig Western Digital SATA)

Not 100% sure about reformatting a particular partition only, but I think it should b fine.. :-\

For the average user one partition is usually the best... since it is far too easy to undersize your system (windows) partition. Once you do that there is no gaurantee you can resize it later (partition magic-like programs can do this... but I have had experiences trying this which were not always successful). And an unsucessful partition means... goodbye all files! If you do partition... make sure to give your windows partition WAY more room that you thought you would ever need. Everybody uses computers differently so its really tough to say what size you need. Programs, cache files, temporary files and even some programs will cause this to bloat to extreme proportions. And not all programs will allow you to specify which partitions you want them to use. Games are kind of notorious for this. As you give your system partition a ton of space... you are in a way limiting yourself in what you can actually use since its mostly buffer for temp/windows stuff.

One partition will save you some possible program/vitual memory headaches later... and windows tends to perform better on one partition anyways. You will lose some slack (unusable hard drive space)... but it shouldn't be all that big a deal. If you partition and change your mind... there's no turning back. You can't easily combine two partitions together. You need some fancy program (partition magic) that will probably fail in the process.

If you use one partition, just do a 'system state' backup so that you can easily restore your windows system back to normal easier later and you can stick with one partition. This is actually easier than formatting a partition and reinstalling windows by scratch. As always you should be backing up your important files on a regular basis... so partitioning is not really essential for that reason alone.

Hope this helps a bit.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on January 30, 2009, 06:43:53 PM
Yay.  My case and power supply came in today.  The mother board and RAM came around yesterday.  Now to figure out how to get these pieces together.

The power supply doesn't really fit totally snugly into the case.  :(
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 02, 2009, 11:52:32 AM
Oof.  That was an effort.  Not much more than I expected, but still tough.  Good thing I read the manual!  I didn't realize at first that you had to screw the standoffs in to the chassis first, then screw the mother board into the chassis.  First pass I had immense trouble screwing in the motherboard; the screws just weren't long enough.  Then I managed to sort of force them in, but the motherboard was sorta bent at the corners.  Then I found out about the standoffs and started over.  I guess it's a good thing that I noticed this before screwing the side casing back on to the chassis.

The edge of the case, near the back top corner, is a little dented.  Consequently, the power supply screw holes didn't line up perfectly with the case holes.  But with a little effort, I managed to screw them all in, and the power supply lines up nicely.

The case had a bunch of little cables, like 1 or 2 wires wide, that plugged in to spaces on the motherboard.  The cables had a rectangular connection at the end, sorta like a bunch of jumpers.  What I didn't fully understand was the orientation of these wires.  They'd go on either way, and neither the motherboard nor case documentation indicated which way was up.  So I hope I attached them correctly.

Now I just have to wait for my hard drive to get here.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 02, 2009, 12:00:56 PM
The case had a bunch of little cables, like 1 or 2 wires wide, that plugged in to spaces on the motherboard.  The cables had a rectangular connection at the end, sorta like a bunch of jumpers.  What I didn't fully understand was the orientation of these wires.  They'd go on either way, and neither the motherboard nor case documentation indicated which way was up.  So I hope I attached them correctly.

Oh yeah,, the Power switch, Power LED, Hard drive LED, speaker, etc.. Those connections are a Pain In The Ass!!
All these years you'd think they'd Redesign them for easier/simplistic connections.. ::)

Double Check the connections with the Manual otherwise, you'll be spending a Lot of time unplugging/ replugging, etc

Sounds like your on your way..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on February 02, 2009, 12:02:04 PM
All these years you'd think they'd Redesign them for easier/simplistic connections.. ::)
ASUS did with their newer motherboards. They've got an easy-to-use connector piece.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 02, 2009, 12:04:08 PM
All these years you'd think they'd Redesign them for easier/simplistic connections.. ::)
ASUS did with their newer motherboards. They've got an easy-to-use connector piece.
Oh Yeah! I've got 2 ASUS Motherboards, and Yes! Those Connections are Da Bomb!! :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 07, 2009, 04:08:12 AM
 :grr: :angry:

My hard drive arrived yesterday

So the power supply only has one SATA power connector, which is connected in series to one of the Molex power connectors for the DVD drive.  What this means is that I have to put the DVD drive way at the bottom of the optical drive bay.  I guess that's not a HUGE deal, but I think it looks funny.

More seriously, I decided it would be cute to install a floppy drive that I wasn't going to use anyway.  To do this I had to disconnect the hard drive after I'd already installed it.  Well, in the process I somehow managed to snap some clip that was supposed to hold the SATA power connector into the drive.  So now I can't, you know, power up the hard drive.

So I'm gonna return it to Amazon for a new one.

What I just realized is that this mother board has 4 SATA connectors, so I COULD connect 4 SATA drives in there (for 6 Tb is storage o_O), but there's only one SATA power connector.  If I later somehow decide that 1.5 Tb isn't enough, would there be a way to add more drives without buying a new power supply?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 07, 2009, 05:13:24 AM
What I just realized is that this mother board has 4 SATA connectors, so I COULD connect 4 SATA drives in there (for 6 Tb is storage o_O), but there's only one SATA power connector.  If I later somehow decide that 1.5 Tb isn't enough, would there be a way to add more drives without buying a new power supply?
Honestly.. I would consider upgrading your Power Supply cause it sounds like you don't have enough power cable legs available, and they're pretty cheap cost wise.. http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=58&name=Power-Supplies

If you power too many items off of 1 power leg, you'll burn it up (and run the risk of damaging 1 or more of your hard drives)..
Most newer power supplys have 2 - 3 SATA connectors, and many 4-pin Molex connectors which can be turned into SATA power connections with those adapter cables http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=4%20pin%20to%20sata%20adapters&bop=And&Order=PRICE
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: iv3rdawG on February 07, 2009, 10:44:27 AM
Sorry, didn't really look through the whole thread to find a site, but does anyone know a good, reliable customizable gaming desktop site?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 07, 2009, 10:46:33 AM
Sorry, didn't really look through the whole thread to find a site, but does anyone know a good, reliable customizable gaming desktop site?
Only thing I think that comes close is FrozenCPU..
http://www.frozencpu.com/
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: iv3rdawG on February 07, 2009, 10:58:43 AM
Thanks. I'll check that out. Other recommendations are welcome :)

Edit: Sorry, I meant sites that will actually make the computer for you after you pick what you want in it. Not really that well versed on how to make computers :speechless:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 07, 2009, 11:08:11 AM
Edit: Sorry, I meant sites that will actually make the computer for you after you pick what you want in it. Not really that well versed on how to make computers :speechless:
Oh.. well, www.TigerDirect.com or www.NewEgg.com I think offer complete builds, but I never bought a complete unit like that; I always build my own.. :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: iv3rdawG on February 07, 2009, 11:13:06 AM
Thanks. Well, how hard/easy is it to build a computer from scratch? I know my way around a computer for the most part but not so much on the internal stuff. How much cheaper would it usually be when making your own compared to getting your own built?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on February 07, 2009, 11:14:48 AM
www.cyberpowerpc.com

http://www.ibuypower.com/

but DO NOT BUY FROM ALIENWARE, way overpriced and plenty of friends had plenty of problems with their computers. If you lived near me I'd offer to build you a computer I've built dozens for friends. Feel free to ask for advice on here about if the prices are right or what's the best bang for your buck.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: iv3rdawG on February 07, 2009, 11:18:01 AM
Alright I'll check that out, thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 07, 2009, 11:21:22 AM
Thanks. Well, how hard/easy is it to build a computer from scratch? I know my way around a computer for the most part but not so much on the internal stuff. How much cheaper would it usually be when making your own compared to getting your own built?
Well, here's what I learned..

You can buy one of their 'pre-built- systems as described and see what it does, BUT..
Depending on your particular applications, it's quite possible that it won't be powerful enough (I know) and will require some sort of upgrading, Plus, installing a new Hard Drive will require the motherboard drivers and Operating System to be installed before it's fully operational.

I would do a little homework and ask a tech rep over the phone (or by chat) for recommended upgrades for your particular preferences..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Dankbuds on February 07, 2009, 11:25:18 AM
I find the best deals on http://www.pricewatch.com/public/ (http://www.pricewatch.com/public/)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: iv3rdawG on February 07, 2009, 05:40:28 PM
OK looking at keyboards. When it comes to them for gaming, which would be better, Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UHE8YM/ref=asc_df_B000UHE8YM710043?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn) or Razer Lycosa (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000YDIA78/ref=asc_df_B000YDIA78710043?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn)? Any other ones would be cool to check out too. Also, any recommendations on gaming mice?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Dankbuds on February 07, 2009, 05:49:51 PM
OK looking at keyboards. When it comes to them for gaming, which would be better, Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UHE8YM/ref=asc_df_B000UHE8YM710043?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn) or Razer Lycosa (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000YDIA78/ref=asc_df_B000YDIA78710043?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn)? Any other ones would be cool to check out too. Also, any recommendations on gaming mice?

well I have no preference but if you do decide to go with the logitech I'd suggest getting it from Logitech G15 USB Gaming Keyboard w/LCD Screen/Backlit keys/Programmable G keys - NEW RETAIL BOX (http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=8498) @ $49.98 + shipping $10-$15 it comes to a savings of $15-$20
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 07, 2009, 05:51:08 PM
What I just realized is that this mother board has 4 SATA connectors, so I COULD connect 4 SATA drives in there (for 6 Tb is storage o_O), but there's only one SATA power connector.  If I later somehow decide that 1.5 Tb isn't enough, would there be a way to add more drives without buying a new power supply?
Honestly.. I would consider upgrading your Power Supply cause it sounds like you don't have enough power cable legs available, and they're pretty cheap cost wise.. http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=58&name=Power-Supplies

If you power too many items off of 1 power leg, you'll burn it up (and run the risk of damaging 1 or more of your hard drives)..
Most newer power supplys have 2 - 3 SATA connectors, and many 4-pin Molex connectors which can be turned into SATA power connections with those adapter cables http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=4%20pin%20to%20sata%20adapters&bop=And&Order=PRICE

Hmmm.....  Way I see it, at the moment is this: if the power supply has X number of wires to connect peripherals to, I assume it's safe to use all of them.

Still..... (searches for some possible replacements for future upscaling).....  what do you think about this one (http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh)?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 07, 2009, 06:01:43 PM
Oh yeah.. Good One.. ::)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Piobman on February 08, 2009, 11:29:16 PM
Alienware are famous for their gaming systems. They are not cheap... but they are definitely geared towards gaming audiences.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 09, 2009, 12:49:51 AM
I originally bought the G11, which is basically an older model G15 w/o the display. It's an excellent KB, great for gaming. But then I'm left-handed, so I don't use the typical right-hand keys.

These two G15 keyboards are different animals.


OK looking at keyboards. When it comes to them for gaming, which would be better, Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UHE8YM/ref=asc_df_B000UHE8YM710043?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn) or Razer Lycosa (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000YDIA78/ref=asc_df_B000YDIA78710043?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn)? Any other ones would be cool to check out too. Also, any recommendations on gaming mice?

well I have no preference but if you do decide to go with the logitech I'd suggest getting it from Logitech G15 USB Gaming Keyboard w/LCD Screen/Backlit keys/Programmable G keys - NEW RETAIL BOX (http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=8498) @ $49.98 + shipping $10-$15 it comes to a savings of $15-$20
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 14, 2009, 07:26:49 PM
Hey all you computer gurus out there, I've got a dilemma that's sure to grind your gears! I need your help! RIFFTRAX COMPUTER CREW ASSEMBLE!!!

I built my current computer a little while ago, though I can't really remember when I bought my motherboard. My previous motherboard died, and my current one was the best I could get with the money available to me at the time. It's a PC Chips P13G+ Micro ATX motherboard with an Intel Celeron chip running @ 3.33 ghz bundled with it. I have a Seagate 300 gig Ultra ATA Internal HD connected via the main IDE connection as my Master drive. Today, I decided to purchase a new Seagate 500 gig SATA Internal HD because I wanted more space, and my external 500 GB Seagate is nearing fullness, as is my internal 300 gig drive.

Here's the problem: The computer won't recognize the new SATA drive.

The motherboard doesn't support SATAs that run over 1.5 mbps, so I had to install the jumper onto the SATA HD that limits it to that speed. It's connected directly to the MB via a SATA cable, and my 500 watt Thermaltake power supply has a power connector for the SATA, so I'm covered there. I went in to the BIOS to make sure that my main HD was the primary boot disk, and that the on board SATA controller was enabled. I leaped over every single possible hurdle I could think of, but the finish line is eluding me! What happens is, the times the BIOS actually recognizes the SATA hard drive, the system freezes, and I can't do a damn thing but restart. And I can't even use Ctr+Alt+Del, I have to press the restart button on the case. Other times, the BIOS won't recognize the drive, and it will just boot as normal, but without the new drive. Once even Microsoft's Splash screen froze, before Windows could even start...

I scoured the online manuals and FAQs for my particular motherboard on PC Chips' website, and there's nothing on there that suggests my motherboard does not support both IDE and SATA hard drives at the same time. It should work, but it just doesn't. I've already sent in my problem to the PC Chips technical support, so we'll see what they have to say when they reply. I know there's something, but WHAT IS IT??

Here's my PC's specs:

PC Chips P13G+ Motherboard
   3.33 GHz Intel Celeron Processor included
   Micro ATX form factor
   LGA775 Socket
   Intel 865G / ICH5 chipset
   800 MHz front side bus
   2 SATA ports
   
Zalman CNPS9500A LED CPU Cooler

1 gig DDR2 RAM

Thermaltake 500 Watt Power Supply

Seagate 300 Gigabyte Hard Drive
   Ultra ATA
   7200 RPM
   
Seagate 500 Gigabyte Hard Drive
   SATA
   7200 RPM

Seagate 500 Gigabyte External USB Hard Drive

Sony DVD Burner and Sony CD Burner

ATi Radeon 9800 Pro Video Card
   AGP 8x
   128 MB DDR
   Zalman After-market Cooler

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi 5.1 Sound Card

Antec P180B Tower Case
   Exceptional style
   Sound dampening technology
   Modular design
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 14, 2009, 07:37:55 PM
1st off.. I'd take that Jumper out. Even if the mobo isn't set up for more than 1.5mbs, the Hard Drive should still function normally..

Then, restart your computer, go into your Control Panel to Administrative Tools, select Computer Management, and in the new window, select Storage, and then select Disk Management where you should see all disc and ROM drives detected (Disk 0, Disk 1, Disk 2, etc).
Look for your SATA drive as 'Unallocated' and right click it to enable it and select a drive letter and do a Quick format, and that should do it. (hopefully)
 
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 14, 2009, 07:52:55 PM
1st off.. I'd take that Jumper out. Even if the mobo isn't set up for more than 1.5mbs, the Hard Drive should still function normally..

Well, since the manual for the SATA drive specifically stated that certain motherboards won't support over 1.5 gbps speeds, and that the computer might "hang, lock up, or fail to detect during boot", and the computer actually DID "hang, lock up and fail to detect during boot" after the first attempt with the jumper out, and several subsequent attempts with the jumper in, and my Motherboard manual specifically stated that its integrated SATA host controller supports speeds UP TO 1.5 gbps, I'm inclined to go with their advice, and keep the jumper in.  :speechless:

Though, at this point, I'll try anything to get it to work, so next time I muster up the courage to try it again, I'll take out the jumper. And I do thank you for your advice, so keep it coming!

I think at this point, my main concern is to get the BIOS to detect the SATA hard drive AND the Ultra ATA hard drive, and start Windows normally. Then I can format the new drive and everything should work from there.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 14, 2009, 07:59:04 PM
1st off.. I'd take that Jumper out. Even if the mobo isn't set up for more than 1.5mbs, the Hard Drive should still function normally..

Well, since the manual for the SATA drive specifically stated that certain motherboards won't support over 1.5 gbps speeds, and that the computer might "hang, lock up, or fail to detect during boot", and the computer actually DID "hang, lock up and fail to detect during boot" after the first attempt with the jumper out, and several subsequent attempts with the jumper in, and my Motherboard manual specifically stated that its integrated SATA host controller supports speeds UP TO 1.5 gbps, I'm inclined to go with their advice, and keep the jumper in.  :speechless:

Though, at this point, I'll try anything to get it to work, so next time I muster up the courage to try it again, I'll take out the jumper. And I do thank you for your advice, so keep it coming!
Hmm.. There may be something to that, but all 6 computers have SATA drives and None of them have that 1.5mbs jumper in them..

Infact, after looking over your specs again, I have that same (similar) setup in one of my computers (3.33 GHz Intel Celeron Processor included   Micro ATX form factor   LGA775 Socket   Intel 865G / ICH5 chipset   800 MHz front side bus) and it has a SATA drive for backup and I know that HD doesn't have a jumper on it..

I understand the frustration.. Been there many times..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 14, 2009, 08:16:35 PM
After mulling the whole ordeal over in my head, I think the broken link in the chain is the BIOS set up. I know for a fact that the physical connections are sound, as the original hard drive works, and the new one was detected before, it just causes the computer to freeze. Since the default setting in the BIOS for my particular motherboard has the SATA host controllers set to "disabled", it must be some sort of conflict between the two hard drives.

Some of the attempts to start the computer showed that both hard drives were detected. Most of the attempts reveal that the system wouldn't detect the SATA, even though it was connected properly. At least one attempt caused the system not to detect the main hard drive, and the computer wouldn't boot up. I ended up clearing the CMOS memory on the motherboard, and that seemed to do the trick. It would then detect the Ultra ATA hard drive again.

I'm hoping the PC Chips people will shed some light on the situation once they respond to my support ticket.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on February 15, 2009, 12:35:00 AM
If you've got a PCI slot available, maybe you should consider an SATA control card.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 15, 2009, 04:28:51 AM
If you've got a PCI slot available, maybe you should consider an SATA control card.
That was gonna be my next suggestion.. 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 15, 2009, 08:16:58 AM
If you've got a PCI slot available, maybe you should consider an SATA control card.

Unfortunately, my Micro ATX motherboard is far too small, and even though there are two PCI slots, and one is available, there's just no room for any more cards. Heck, the smallish Audio card is so darn close to the video card that it barely even fits! I'm not too happy with my mobo right now, but I can't really upgrade it for now, so I'm stuck with it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 15, 2009, 12:44:27 PM
If you've got a PCI slot available, maybe you should consider an SATA control card.

Unfortunately, my Micro ATX motherboard is far too small, and even though there are two PCI slots, and one is available, there's just no room for any more cards. Heck, the smallish Audio card is so darn close to the video card that it barely even fits! I'm not too happy with my mobo right now, but I can't really upgrade it for now, so I'm stuck with it.
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I was going to suggest a BIOS or driver update (http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWebSite/Downloads/ProductsDetail_Download.aspx?detailid=378&DetailName=New&DetailDesc=&CategoryID=1&MenuID=6&LanID=0) but it doesn't look like there's been one recently if ever.

Unlike RVR, I've always had trouble using a 3.0Mbit drive on a 1.5Mbit board without the jumper. Probably depends on the board...

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That's all I have. Good luck!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 15, 2009, 12:50:28 PM

Unlike RVR, I've always had trouble using a 3.0Mbit drive on a 1.5Mbit board without the jumper. Probably depends on the board...

Really? Wow!

That's interesting :o Guess I'll count my lucky stars on that issue..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 15, 2009, 08:32:32 PM

Unlike RVR, I've always had trouble using a 3.0Mbit drive on a 1.5Mbit board without the jumper. Probably depends on the board...

Really? Wow!

That's interesting :o Guess I'll count my lucky stars on that issue..
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Nah! Truly just a guess on my part. I've had nothing but trouble on older Athlon-based boards (which supported only 1.5Gb) with drives set at 3Gb. Until I changed them to 1.5Gb, that is. I was just surprised you had no trouble with the drives at 3Gb!

I built from scratch since then (about a year ago) and only bought boards that support 3Gb so I can't talk about those. They all work great.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 15, 2009, 08:35:06 PM
Ah.. Not a big fan of Athlon boards..

All mine are Pentium based 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 15, 2009, 08:35:52 PM
My friend suggested it could just be a bad drive. I was quite skeptical about his assertion, but he informed me that he used to work for a warehouse that distributed electronic equipment, including computer stuff, and when they would get large orders of hard drives, sometimes there would be about 20 percent of them that were bad out of the box.

Since it's still under warranty, I might just have to do that. I guess the odds are small that I'd get two bad ones in a row. First though, I'll try the second SATA port on my motherboard and see if there's any difference.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 15, 2009, 08:38:19 PM
Ah.. Not a big fan of Athalon boards..

All mine are Pentium based 8)
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Yep, me too now, except for one old box I'm going to turn into a Linux thing. It was time for a change last year and I'm glad I did it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 15, 2009, 08:40:03 PM
Ah.. Not a big fan of Athalon boards..

All mine are Pentium based 8)
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Yep, me too now, except for one old box I'm going to turn into a Linux thing. It was time for a change last year and I'm glad I did it.
The only AMD chip board i've ever owned is now in Mexico ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 15, 2009, 08:42:01 PM
Ah.. Not a big fan of Athalon boards..

All mine are Pentium based 8)
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Yep, me too now, except for one old box I'm going to turn into a Linux thing. It was time for a change last year and I'm glad I did it.
The only AMD chip board i've ever owned is now in Mexico ;D
You got something against Mexico? Bad Tokillya or something? ;)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 15, 2009, 08:44:21 PM
Ah.. Not a big fan of Athalon boards..

All mine are Pentium based 8)
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Yep, me too now, except for one old box I'm going to turn into a Linux thing. It was time for a change last year and I'm glad I did it.
The only AMD chip board i've ever owned is now in Mexico ;D
You got something against Mexico? Bad Tokillya or something? ;)
Actually a Big Fan of Tequila (as this forum well knows 8) ) ..

It's my computer I use while on vacation there
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 15, 2009, 08:49:25 PM
My friend suggested it could just be a bad drive. I was quite skeptical about his assertion, but he informed me that he used to work for a warehouse that distributed electronic equipment, including computer stuff, and when they would get large orders of hard drives, sometimes there would be about 20 percent of them that were bad out of the box.

Since it's still under warranty, I might just have to do that. I guess the odds are small that I'd get two bad ones in a row. First though, I'll try the second SATA port on my motherboard and see if there's any difference.
Well, that may be a good thing, since it's very possible. Hopefully changing drives will solve your problem.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 15, 2009, 08:51:18 PM
Ah.. Not a big fan of Athalon boards..

All mine are Pentium based 8)
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Yep, me too now, except for one old box I'm going to turn into a Linux thing. It was time for a change last year and I'm glad I did it.
The only AMD chip board i've ever owned is now in Mexico ;D
You got something against Mexico? Bad Tokillya or something? ;)
Actually a Big Fan of Tequila (as this forum well knows 8) ) ..

It's my computer I use while on vacation there
Then of course I have to facetiously ask why you'd hurt yourself like that in Mexico, but the Tequila answers that one.  ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 15, 2009, 08:54:11 PM
Ah.. Not a big fan of Athalon boards..

All mine are Pentium based 8)
.
Yep, me too now, except for one old box I'm going to turn into a Linux thing. It was time for a change last year and I'm glad I did it.
The only AMD chip board i've ever owned is now in Mexico ;D
You got something against Mexico? Bad Tokillya or something? ;)
Actually a Big Fan of Tequila (as this forum well knows 8) ) ..

It's my computer I use while on vacation there
Then of course I have to facetiously ask why you'd hurt yourself like that in Mexico, but the Tequila answers that one.  ;D
Si, Senor! 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on February 16, 2009, 03:48:53 PM
Just looked at my console log for my IP blocker program Protowall. That file alone in size is 8.61GB of just text from the past year or two. I think I've had a bit of an active internet connection to say the least.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 17, 2009, 07:24:28 AM
I've decided to take the drive back and just live without it. I exhausted every possible method of making it work, including trying another brand new SATA drive at work, and still, nothing. It seems my motherboard can't support a 500 gig SATA drive. It's just not worth the hassle.

Besides, my system is a couple years old, and rather cheap. Maybe I'll be able to upgrade once I get my tax return.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 18, 2009, 06:49:51 AM
I have an issue that I have no idea how to address, and I'm wondering if any of you have any advice. 

When I stream Netflix to my PC (and to my mac), the quality is really low.  I've tried it wirelessly, and with a land line.  Both ways it tells me that my broadband connection is "really slow".

When I open up My Networks, it shows that I have a nice connection running at ~50 Mbps, but they're saying I'm under 1.5 Mbps.  Where is this discrepancy coming from?  Is it my router?  My router is a DSL Gateway 54 Mbps Wireless ActionTec.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 18, 2009, 07:09:13 AM
Do you have a firewall set up? There might be some kind of issue with that.

I have no idea.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 18, 2009, 10:04:10 AM
The "50Mbps" is probably your network card's potential, not what you're getting from the outside world.

If you're running a basic Cable internet connection, you might have an upper 6Mbps connection, and there are things you can do to help increase throughput.

If you're running a basic ADSL internet connection, you might be limited to a 1.5Mbps maximum download speed. In this case, you can do very little to fix the problem aside from going to a higher download level. Or switch to cable.

So, are you using cable (such as Comcast) or DSL?


I have an issue that I have no idea how to address, and I'm wondering if any of you have any advice. 

When I stream Netflix to my PC (and to my mac), the quality is really low.  I've tried it wirelessly, and with a land line.  Both ways it tells me that my broadband connection is "really slow".

When I open up My Networks, it shows that I have a nice connection running at ~50 Mbps, but they're saying I'm under 1.5 Mbps.  Where is this discrepancy coming from?  Is it my router?  My router is a DSL Gateway 54 Mbps Wireless ActionTec.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 18, 2009, 10:15:58 AM
It's cable, yeah, through TDS (AT&T's competition).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 23, 2009, 11:52:47 AM
It's cable, yeah, through TDS (AT&T's competition).
.
You sure? According to this page (http://www.tdstelecom.com/Residential/WI/Madison%20-%20Near%20Verona/Campaign/Order_3_Services%2C_Get_A_Nutty_Deal/x/) it looks like TDS doesn't carry broadband internet over cable, only DSL. You should check to see how much bandwidth your plan has.


Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on February 23, 2009, 01:55:56 PM
I have an issue that I have no idea how to address, and I'm wondering if any of you have any advice. 

When I stream Netflix to my PC (and to my mac), the quality is really low.  I've tried it wirelessly, and with a land line.  Both ways it tells me that my broadband connection is "really slow".

When I open up My Networks, it shows that I have a nice connection running at ~50 Mbps, but they're saying I'm under 1.5 Mbps.  Where is this discrepancy coming from?  Is it my router?  My router is a DSL Gateway 54 Mbps Wireless ActionTec.

Are you using Internet Explorer for your Netflix streaming, or are you opening an IE tab in Firefox (we do the latter)?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 23, 2009, 02:29:25 PM
Just looked at my console log for my IP blocker program Protowall. That file alone in size is 8.61GB of just text from the past year or two. I think I've had a bit of an active internet connection to say the least.

Okay, here's what you do next.

1) Print out that file.
2) Weigh it.
3) Measure the thickness of the pile.
4) Report the weight and thickness.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Dankbuds on February 23, 2009, 02:31:26 PM
*whimpers*

My computer is randomly crashing. It's different apps, never the same error message twice. I don't think it's a virus, but I can't tell--AVG crashed in mid-scan and then the computer went down.

So, saving important files and preparing to format.



you can give windows live onecare (http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/3/default.htm) a shot they give you a 90 trial and if you choose to get it after the 90 days you can pick a copy up at walmart for like 25 bucks for 1 year and 3pcs I switched to it after using nortons for years and I'm happy with it
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Dankbuds on February 23, 2009, 02:37:17 PM
*whimpers*

My computer is randomly crashing. It's different apps, never the same error message twice. I don't think it's a virus, but I can't tell--AVG crashed in mid-scan and then the computer went down.

So, saving important files and preparing to format.



you can give windows live onecare (http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/3/default.htm) a shot they give you a 90 trial and if you choose to get it after the 90 days you can pick a copy up at walmart for like 25 bucks for 1 year and 3pcs I switched to it after using nortons for years and I'm happy with it

How is it on system resources? I stopped using Norton because it just ate RAM for breakfast. And elevensies, and lunch, and tea, and...so on.
yeah it uses way less I hardly notice it running even when it scans... give it a shot if you're already considering a reformat then if you dont like it or it doesnt help then you are only out the time it took to install
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 23, 2009, 04:45:20 PM
*whimpers*

My computer is randomly crashing. It's different apps, never the same error message twice. I don't think it's a virus, but I can't tell--AVG crashed in mid-scan and then the computer went down.

So, saving important files and preparing to format.
.
Sounds like malware, bad memory stick, or a hard drive on the way out. Have you looked at the Event Viewer for any leads?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Dankbuds on February 23, 2009, 06:14:30 PM
not if you dont delete the partition
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Dankbuds on February 23, 2009, 06:24:18 PM
when you are reinstalling windows it will ask you which partition you want to install it to so you pick c:\ then format it either quick or full and then you install it on c:\ as long as you don't delete the partition you'll be fine
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 25, 2009, 10:46:57 AM
1) Would it be better to try for duo core processors rather than a single higher-speed processor? I'm not really a gamer, aside from Civ IV--I don't even have a joystick, for example.

2) Isn't it really shady for someone to sell you a computer without a backup disk? Isn't it possibly even indicative of pirated software?

1) Core2 duo's seem to be the norm these days, which is a good thing, cause they're pretty stout processors.. Definitly better then the single higher speed processors..

2)This is actually the norm (from Dell anyway).. You won't know it's pirated unless you go for updates, but even then it could work just fine.. :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Dankbuds on February 25, 2009, 01:58:56 PM
1) Would it be better to try for duo core processors rather than a single higher-speed processor? I'm not really a gamer, aside from Civ IV--I don't even have a joystick, for example.

2) Isn't it really shady for someone to sell you a computer without a backup disk? Isn't it possibly even indicative of pirated software?

1) Core2 duo's seem to be the norm these days, which is a good thing, cause they're pretty stout processors.. Definitly better then the single higher speed processors..

2)This is actually the norm (from Dell anyway).. You won't know it's pirated unless you go for updates, but even then it could work just fine.. :-\
yeah newer computers don't come with back up disks they have the backup image on the drive itself but you can usually always go to the manufacturers website and choose the model # and pay a couple bucks plus shipping for them to send you a new disc, if your drive gets damaged or you lose the original disc if it came with one
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 25, 2009, 02:09:24 PM
1) Would it be better to try for duo core processors rather than a single higher-speed processor? I'm not really a gamer, aside from Civ IV--I don't even have a joystick, for example.

2) Isn't it really shady for someone to sell you a computer without a backup disk? Isn't it possibly even indicative of pirated software?

1) Core2 duo's seem to be the norm these days, which is a good thing, cause they're pretty stout processors.. Definitely better then the single higher speed processors..

2)This is actually the norm (from Dell anyway).. You won't know it's pirated unless you go for updates, but even then it could work just fine.. :-\

Damn, sounds like you REALLY need a new machine. Your PC problems would've had me launching the machine a long time ago. 'Course it's harder to use just an abacus...

Since you're not a gamer, you could buy a lot of parts very cheaply to get the job done. Just don't go too cheap - a lot of PC parts that benefit Gaming will also benefit audio/video processing speed.

1) Yep, Core2 Duo all the way - multiprocessing is the way to go, and it's fairly cheap. You can go with a Quad core, but (someone correct me if I'm wrong) you'll need a 64-bit OS to get the most out of it.

2) You mean a PC with the OS installed, right? YEAH, you should have an install disc of some kind and a certified paper license of some kind for it to be legitimate. Not everyone meets those requirements, of course. ;D

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Dankbuds on February 25, 2009, 02:12:02 PM
Well, I had just bought this damn thing, and almost immediately the stuff didn't work.  As it is, I only got about 2 years of life from it, alas. 



look at it this way... now you have more "Crap" to sell on Ebay  :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 25, 2009, 02:12:08 PM
Also, get a DVD burner with it and get no less than 2gigs of RAM (DDR2) in your new setup 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 25, 2009, 02:20:42 PM
Well, I had just bought this damn thing, and almost immediately the stuff didn't work.  As it is, I only got about 2 years of life from it, alas. 



look at it this way... now you have more "Crap" to sell on Ebay  :P

Well, I suppose I could part it out and try to sell it. I'll probably not though; I'm going to port over the RAM and the video card to the new machine, and maybe one of the disc drives. The rest I'll probably recycle. :/
Donate it and use it as a Tax write-off for your 2009 taxes.. (HINT HINT) 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Dankbuds on February 25, 2009, 02:23:00 PM
yeah screw that take it out back and light it on fire while dancing around it naked
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Dankbuds on February 25, 2009, 02:24:55 PM
that sounds like fun too
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 25, 2009, 02:26:26 PM
Nah. I'll probably (*sigh*) pay to have it recycled so it won't go into a landfill.
It'll probably be sent back to China.. (I saw that on 60 Minutes several weeks back) :scared:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 25, 2009, 02:29:36 PM
Nah. I'll probably (*sigh*) pay to have it recycled so it won't go into a landfill.
It'll probably be sent back to China.. (I saw that on 60 Minutes several weeks back) :scared:
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Yeah, China is the Big Corporation all US companies look up to when it comes to "Fuck you" environmental policy.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 25, 2009, 04:51:42 PM
Damn! All that for $320?! :o

Not bad..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 25, 2009, 04:54:39 PM
Yeah. $299 plus shipping.

I have a 256 MB graphics card I'll put in it too, and I can do wireless  via a USB key, so I don't need a separate wireless card.
By the way.. Did you have DDR2 memory in your original computer or just DDR??
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 25, 2009, 04:56:50 PM
Yeah. $299 plus shipping.

I have a 256 MB graphics card I'll put in it too, and I can do wireless  via a USB key, so I don't need a separate wireless card.
By the way.. Did you have DDR2 memory in your original computer??

Don't remember. I'll have to look at the chips. It's only a couple of years old, though.
Yeah, I tried putting DDR in DDR2 slots, and it actually fit, but it would start up..
It acted like a bad power supply, but turns out it was the memory incompatability.. :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 25, 2009, 04:59:02 PM
I thought the slot was in a different place on the chip? You must've really jammed that bastard in there...
They're actually pretty close location wise, but yeah it took some effort.. :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 26, 2009, 11:22:10 AM
I was waiting for my trial of DVD Lab to expire before I moved to my new computer.  Well, it expired on Monday morning.  After that, I noticed that I could still use the software as long as I wanted provided I didn't close it (it will only check for the license on startup).  It became sort of a game to see how long I could go before closing it.

Well, last night, I realized this was a stupid game because DVD Lab, along with a few other programs in my Rifftrax toolkit, chew up a lot of memory.  It was getting really slow.  I thought, "I have a new and more robust PC here, why don't I just USE IT?"

I had installed Windows last week, so I skipped that.  I took my hard drives out of the old computer and put them into my hard drive enclosure.  I started copying over some non-system files from the main hard drive.  One of them is downloads of executables for my many installed programs.  When I tried to copy THOSE, I got a weird error saying "Access Denied".

RRRGH.....  Why is access to my own external hard drive denied?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 26, 2009, 11:50:40 AM

...When I tried to copy THOSE, I got a weird error saying "Access Denied".

RRRGH.....  Why is access to my own external hard drive denied?

It's a basic rights management problem. If it was a FAT32 partition you shouldn't/wouldn't have the problem, so I'm guessing it's NTFS. You're effectively a "new user" of the disc, so you just have to "take ownership" of the data on that drive.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 26, 2009, 12:10:22 PM

...When I tried to copy THOSE, I got a weird error saying "Access Denied".

RRRGH.....  Why is access to my own external hard drive denied?

It's a basic rights management problem. If it was a FAT32 partition you shouldn't/wouldn't have the problem, so I'm guessing it's NTFS. You're effectively a "new user" of the disc, so you just have to "take ownership" of the data on that drive.
How so?  I don't have to put the drive back in the old computer, do I?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on February 27, 2009, 11:03:55 AM

...When I tried to copy THOSE, I got a weird error saying "Access Denied".

RRRGH.....  Why is access to my own external hard drive denied?

It's a basic rights management problem. If it was a FAT32 partition you shouldn't/wouldn't have the problem, so I'm guessing it's NTFS. You're effectively a "new user" of the disc, so you just have to "take ownership" of the data on that drive.
How so?  I don't have to put the drive back in the old computer, do I?

As long as "rights" is the problem, try this. It won't hurt anything.

- Pull the drive up in My Computer
- Select the problem files all together (or select the folder they are in)
- Right-click the selection and choose Properties,
- Select the Security tab, click the Advanced button, then select the Owner tab.
- You should see the name you log on with listed there. Click on it to select it.
- Check-mark the box that says Replace owner on subcontainers and objects if there is one.
- Click Apply and hit OK on all of the open popups and try accessing those files again.

You can do this to the entire drive if necessary, but this is the quickest.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 28, 2009, 09:45:35 AM
Are there any good free or under $20 photo editing programs out there on the net that I could use to make posters for my iriffs?

Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 28, 2009, 09:51:45 AM
Man I don't want to spend $70 just to edit photos :(
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 28, 2009, 09:55:29 AM
Man I don't want to spend $70 just to edit photos :(
You know how to use  Microsoft Paint?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 28, 2009, 09:59:38 AM
You can edit photos in that?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 28, 2009, 10:03:13 AM
You can edit photos in that?
Yep.. Takes a bit of practice but you can do it :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 28, 2009, 10:07:59 AM
You can edit photos in that?

If by 'edit' you mean 'ruin,' then yes. :)

I mean, you can edit jpgs. But the tools are at best clumsy.  At worst, rage inducing.
Yeah, that's true..

I use a basic software from Visioneer; Photo Impression 3..

I can add text to photos with that.. Remember my DUNE sig I had for the longest time??
Done with Photo Impression 3 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 28, 2009, 11:24:13 AM
Are there any good free or under $20 photo editing programs out there on the net that I could use to make posters for my iriffs?

Thanks.

I heard GIMP was a good free Photoshop substitute.  I don't use it because I didn't have the patience to figure out how.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Jinto on February 28, 2009, 11:32:38 AM
Are there any good free or under $20 photo editing programs out there on the net that I could use to make posters for my iriffs?

Thanks.

I heard GIMP was a good free Photoshop substitute.  I don't use it because I didn't have the patience to figure out how.

It's no harder to use than any other graphics editting software.

Windows Installer for GIMP:
http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html (http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on March 01, 2009, 08:04:36 AM
So I'm finished building the PC.  Looks and runs okay, except for a few dents on the chassis.  I like that it glows blue.  The temperature gauge and the adjustable fan dial don't work, but that doesn't really matter.

Now I have a software problem.  I reinstalled Nero yesterday.  First off, the 350 Mb downloader took like 6 hours to download, then about 90 minutes to install.  That was weird, but it's in the past. 

Now Nero has somehow taken over my computer.  All the thumbnails for all video and audio type files have been replaced by Nero's golden disc icon.  I prefer my file associations as such:

MP3: Winamp
WAV: RealPlayer
AC3: PowerDVD
M2V: RealPlayer (these being the video files from demultiplexed DVDs).

(http://thrifty.f2s.com/thumbnail_problem_1.gif)

GIF, BMP, PNG, and JPG: Windows Picture and Fax Viewer (I use Open With in case I need to edit something).  I don't get the Nero thumbnail for these, I actually get the thumbnail for unknown file type.  See:

(http://thrifty.f2s.com/thumbnail_problem_2.gif)

I've set these file associations under My Computer > Tools > Folder Options > File Types.  They'll open in the proper program if I double click, so the associations are correct.  It may seem silly, but I depend on those thumbnails  I'm wondering if this has something to do with the third column that says "NeroPhotoSnapViewer.Files9".

Anyone know how to fix this?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on March 01, 2009, 08:06:00 AM
Are there any good free or under $20 photo editing programs out there on the net that I could use to make posters for my iriffs?

Thanks.

I heard GIMP was a good free Photoshop substitute.  I don't use it because I didn't have the patience to figure out how.

It's no harder to use than any other graphics editting software.


Well yeah, if you read the directions. 

I think I just didn't feel enough like learning at the time.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 01, 2009, 08:47:18 AM
Damn! All that for $320?! :o

Not bad..

Seems about what market price would be. Nothing too amazing to get excited about...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 01, 2009, 08:49:28 AM
You can edit photos in that?

If by 'edit' you mean 'ruin,' then yes. :)

I mean, you can edit jpgs. But the tools are at best clumsy.  At worst, rage inducing.

QFT. I use Paint only as a last resort. And I mean LAST.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 01, 2009, 10:30:00 AM
Man I don't want to spend $70 just to edit photos :(

FWIW, looks like there are a few decent editors here. Decent being better than MS Paint...

Top 10 Free Photo Editors for Windows (http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/pixelbasedwin/tp/freephotoedw.htm)

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on March 01, 2009, 02:20:38 PM
You can edit photos in that?

If by 'edit' you mean 'ruin,' then yes. :)

I mean, you can edit jpgs. But the tools are at best clumsy.  At worst, rage inducing.

QFT. I use Paint only as a last resort. And I mean LAST.

My partner uses it constantly, and it drives me up the wall. We've got CoreDraw 12 and PhotoPaint, and I can't convince her to learn how to use them (not that I'm an expert; sometimes I feel like a monkey sitting at controls at NORAD when I use the things).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on March 02, 2009, 06:56:23 AM
When I figured out what layers were used for, the scales fell from my eyes.

I have Photshop Elements courtesy of my Epson scanner. I've used layers before, but so infrequently that I couldn't tell you how I did it. Mostly I use it for resizing and cropping. And a little red-eye work every now and then.

So I'm finished building the PC.  Looks and runs okay, except for a few dents on the chassis.  I like that it glows blue.  The temperature gauge and the adjustable fan dial don't work, but that doesn't really matter.

Now I have a software problem.  I reinstalled Nero yesterday.  First off, the 350 Mb downloader took like 6 hours to download, then about 90 minutes to install.  That was weird, but it's in the past. 

Now Nero has somehow taken over my computer.  All the thumbnails for all video and audio type files have been replaced by Nero's golden disc icon.

I have this same problem with some of my files, too. 7-Zip somehow took over the iso icons and won't give them back to DVD Decrypter.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on March 02, 2009, 07:22:07 AM
But basically anything you want to know how to do, there's a free tutorial for somewhere on the internet. 

I'm reminded of the "You Suck at Photoshop" videos.

http://www.mydamnchannel.com/Big_Fat_Brain/You_Suck_at_Photoshop/YouSuckatPhotoshop1_398.aspx (http://www.mydamnchannel.com/Big_Fat_Brain/You_Suck_at_Photoshop/YouSuckatPhotoshop1_398.aspx)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on March 05, 2009, 11:12:13 AM
OK so I was able to make a region free copy of that Doctor Who DVD I bought. However my computer needed me to change the regionsetting on my DVD burner to initially read the disc.

This is fine, next time i put in a normal region (1 in my case) disc, it'll switch back. But then I wondered, is it possible to set my computer's DVD drive to region free?

Well is it? If so how?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 06, 2009, 06:47:44 PM
Okay, so after Uncle Sam gives me some of my hard-earned money back in a week or two, I'll be upgrading my computer hardware to something a little more up to date. Here's what I've got my eyes on:

MOBO:
Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358)
(http://www.sharkyextreme.com/img/2008/11/value_guide/gig_p45.jpg)

CPU:
Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115056&Tpk=core%202%20duo%20e7500)
(http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/19-115-056-02.jpg)

RAM:
TBD, but I want at least 2 gigs of DDR2 memory running in Dual Channel mode. Either 800 MHz or 1066MHz.
Brands in contention are Crucial, OCZ, Corsair, or Mushkin (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146764).

HDD:
One or two 500 gig drives in SATA from either Seagate or Western Digital.

VIDEO CARD:
TBD, but here are a few contenders:
ATi's Radeon HD 4830 or 4670, (example here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102822) and here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161252))

DVD/CD Burner:
Not picky about that, but it would be SATA interface for ease of use and connection.


The components I'll be keeping from my current build are:

CASE:
Antec P180B (http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=Njc0)
(http://www.antec.com/images/400/p180b_i.jpg)

CPU COOLER:
Zalman CNPS9500A LED (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223)
(http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/35-118-223-09.jpg)

POWER SUPPLY:
Thermaltake W0100RU Purepower 500W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052), featuring dual 12v. rails. Though, I would upgrade it should I decide to upgrade to a quad core processor or CrossFire V/C setup.
(http://i.zdnet.com/gallery/194570.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 06, 2009, 07:42:13 PM
That's a perty Setup :o

If you haven't decided on a DVD burner, I'd recommend the LG 'Super Multi' w/ SATA interface from NewEgg..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136153
Don't  Get Any 'Lite On' brands.. I toasted 3 of them in 6 months a couple years back :angry:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 06, 2009, 07:51:59 PM
That's a perty Setup :o

If you haven't decided on a DVD burner, I'd recommend the LG 'Super Multi' w/ SATA interface from NewEgg..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136153
Don't  Get Any 'Lite On' brands.. I toasted 3 of them in 6 months a couple years back :angry:

Awesome, I'll look into that! And I agree, it truly is a perty setup! Can't wait to see it all put together. Plus it will kick the crap out of my current setup!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on March 06, 2009, 09:20:45 PM
Definitely look for deals on RAM. I got 2 2gig sticks direct from Kingston for $34 SHIPPED.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 07, 2009, 02:47:52 AM
Okay, so after Uncle Sam gives me some of my hard-earned money back in a week or two, I'll be upgrading my computer hardware to something a little more up to date. Here's what I've got my eyes on:

MOBO: Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358)

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115056&Tpk=core%202%20duo%20e7500)

RAM: TBD, but I want at least 2 gigs of DDR2 memory running in Dual Channel mode. Either 800 MHz or 1066MHz.
Brands in contention are Crucial, OCZ, Corsair, or Mushkin (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146764).

HDD: One or two 500 gig drives in SATA from either Seagate or Western Digital.

VIDEO CARD: TBD, but here are a few contenders:
ATi's Radeon HD 4830 or 4670, (example here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102822) and

DVD/CD Burner: Not picky about that, but it would be SATA interface for ease of use and connection.

The components I'll be keeping from my current build are:

CASE:
Antec P180B (http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=Njc0)

CPU COOLER:
Zalman CNPS9500A LED (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223)

POWER SUPPLY:
Thermaltake W0100RU Purepower 500W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052), featuring dual 12v. rails. Though, I would upgrade it should I decide to upgrade to a quad core processor or CrossFire V/C setup.

Mind if I chime in? This will be a very nice setup. I have two boxes with very similar components and they all look and work great together.

If I were doing this build, I'd probably slightly alter your selection:

MOBO: No change. Gigabyte boards have excellent design, quality parts, and great performance. Unlike the Asus boards I always used, the Gig boards have never failed me.

CPU: Spend the extra $25 and go for at least the E8400 instead of the E7500. It's got a very slightly faster clock, but more important is twice the L2 cache, and a significantly faster FSB speed that matches your motherboard's 1600/1333 MHz FSB rating. (7500 = 1066MHz FSB, 8400 = 1333MHz FSB)

RAM: I've used all four of your chosen brands, but OCZ Gold & Platinums have been the best working cheap-ish RAM of anything else I've used (so far). There's not a HUGE performance difference between 800 and 1066 DDR2 for most apps, but 1066's are only slightly more expensive...

HDD: I got tired of getting bad Seagate drives over the last two years: It's their turn to be the red-headed step-child of problem hard drives, especially after they moved a major manufacturing plant to China. Lately it seems like every Seagate drive's firmware is faulty and needs to be upgraded. Western Digital has my vote with zero problems with 8 drives bought over the last two years.

VIDEO CARD: EVGA makes excellent cards, and has a great 90-day upgrade program, but they are exclusively Nvidia so... Nevermind.

DVD/CD Burner: FWIW, I've had an LG 20x SATA DVD drive chugging away in one box since September, no problems. After I realized that DVD read speed was locked to only 2x max,  I had to unlock it using MediaCodeSpeedEdit (http://ala42.cdfreaks.com/MCSE/), but that was easy.

FWIW a rule of thumb I use on Newegg parts is that if the product falls much below an 80% positive review (add 4's and 5's together), I don't touch it. So far I've had great luck with dozens of parts sticking to this rule.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 07, 2009, 03:00:55 AM
OK so I was able to make a region free copy of that Doctor Who DVD I bought. However my computer needed me to change the region setting on my DVD burner to initially read the disc.

This is fine, next time i put in a normal region (1 in my case) disc, it'll switch back. But then I wondered, is it possible to set my computer's DVD drive to region free?

Well is it? If so how?

This pretty much requires a firmware hack, and there are many out there.

There are also sometimes hardware-specific "switches" for drives that will reset a drive's region setting count, but it may only work so many times before the drive locks. Depends on the drive, but for some of them holding the eject button during power-up will do it.

Try searching for your drive here (http://club.cdfreaks.com/f36/) or search Google for your drive model + region + firmware for a permanent solution.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 07, 2009, 08:14:49 AM

Mind if I chime in? This will be a very nice setup. I have two boxes with very similar components and they all look and work great together.

If I were doing this build, I'd probably slightly alter your selection:

MOBO: No change. Gigabyte boards have excellent design, quality parts, and great performance. Unlike the Asus boards I always used, the Gig boards have never failed me.

CPU: Spend the extra $25 and go for at least the E8400 instead of the E7500. It's got a very slightly faster clock, but more important is twice the L2 cache, and a significantly faster FSB speed that matches your motherboard's 1600/1333 MHz FSB rating. (7500 = 1066MHz FSB, 8400 = 1333MHz FSB)

RAM: I've used all four of your chosen brands, but OCZ Gold & Platinums have been the best working cheap-ish RAM of anything else I've used (so far). There's not a HUGE performance difference between 800 and 1066 DDR2 for most apps, but 1066's are only slightly more expensive...

HDD: I got tired of getting bad Seagate drives over the last two years: It's their turn to be the red-headed step-child of problem hard drives, especially after they moved a major manufacturing plant to China. Lately it seems like every Seagate drive's firmware is faulty and needs to be upgraded. Western Digital has my vote with zero problems with 8 drives bought over the last two years.

VIDEO CARD: EVGA makes excellent cards, and has a great 90-day upgrade program, but they are exclusively Nvidia so... Nevermind.

DVD/CD Burner: FWIW, I've had an LG 20x SATA DVD drive chugging away in one box since September, no problems. After I realized that DVD read speed was locked to only 2x max,  I had to unlock it using MediaCodeSpeedEdit (http://ala42.cdfreaks.com/MCSE/), but that was easy.

FWIW a rule of thumb I use on Newegg parts is that if the product falls much below an 80% positive review (add 4's and 5's together), I don't touch it. So far I've had great luck with dozens of parts sticking to this rule.

Awesome. Thanks a bunch for the input. Unlike the way I normally do things, I'm taking my time to fully research these purchases to get the best bang for my buck. Being that my hardware choices are usually at least a year behind when it comes to technology, prices have come down so far that I can get something that's really not that old in terms of how fast technology advances. I'll be quite pleased with my new setup, and it will last me for a while.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 07, 2009, 08:39:05 AM
If you're getting DDR2 I'd recommend paying $20 more for 2x2GB sticks of DDR2 1066 and getting an E8400 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037) rather than the E7500 it's got double the amount of L2 cache for around $24 more. Upgrades in stuff like that you'll see a difference in performance if you were to play any games on the system.

EDIT: And then I go ahead and read that icagnncheez has already recommended these things. Doh.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 07, 2009, 08:49:49 AM
If you're getting DDR2 I'd recommend paying $20 more for 2x2GB sticks of DDR2 1066 and getting an E8400 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037) rather than the E7500 it's got double the amount of L2 cache for around $24 more. Upgrades in stuff like that you'll see a difference in performance if you were to play any games on the system.

I'm going to stick with Windows XP for now, so with the capper of 3.5 gigs of RAM available to it, would it be overkill to go for the 4 gigs of ram? Or is it just a better deal in case I decide to upgrade to a 64 bit OS in the near future? I certainly don't mind paying 20 bucks more for something that will give me good upgrade options. Not a bad deal, in any case. And yes, I do play the occasional game, so I do want the extra oomph.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 07, 2009, 08:52:00 AM
OK so I was able to make a region free copy of that Doctor Who DVD I bought. However my computer needed me to change the region setting on my DVD burner to initially read the disc.

This is fine, next time i put in a normal region (1 in my case) disc, it'll switch back. But then I wondered, is it possible to set my computer's DVD drive to region free?

Well is it? If so how?

This pretty much requires a firmware hack, and there are many out there.

There are also sometimes hardware-specific "switches" for drives that will reset a drive's region setting count, but it may only work so many times before the drive locks. Depends on the drive, but for some of them holding the eject button during power-up will do it.

Try searching for your drive here (http://club.cdfreaks.com/f36/) or search Google for your drive model + region + firmware for a permanent solution.

A program called dvdregionkiller is what I have always used to make my computer's dvd drive region free.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 07, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
If you're getting DDR2 I'd recommend paying $20 more for 2x2GB sticks of DDR2 1066 and getting an E8400 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037) rather than the E7500 it's got double the amount of L2 cache for around $24 more. Upgrades in stuff like that you'll see a difference in performance if you were to play any games on the system.

I'm going to stick with Windows XP for now, so with the capper of 3.5 gigs of RAM available to it, would it be overkill to go for the 4 gigs of ram? Or is it just a better deal in case I decide to upgrade to a 64 bit OS in the near future? I certainly don't mind paying 20 bucks more for something that will give me good upgrade options. Not a bad deal, in any case. And yes, I do play the occasional game, so I do want the extra oomph.
It never hurts to be prepared and as far as the video card goes I'd stay away from the 4670 you don't want a video with a 128-bit interface I'd recommend something with at least 256-bit otherwise you'll notice some serious bottle-necking when you're playing a game that might put a strain on your video card. As someone that's owned only ATI at this point I'm going to recommend also looking into NVidia's stuff as well the next card I buy is going to have an NVidia chipset in it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 07, 2009, 10:30:38 AM
Awesome. Thanks a bunch for the input. Unlike the way I normally do things, I'm taking my time to fully research these purchases to get the best bang for my buck. Being that my hardware choices are usually at least a year behind when it comes to technology, prices have come down so far that I can get something that's really not that old in terms of how fast technology advances. I'll be quite pleased with my new setup, and it will last me for a while.

Yeah, being a year behind will let you play everything out there at literally half the cost of "bleeding edge" or less.

I'm going to stick with Windows XP for now, so with the capper of 3.5 gigs of RAM available to it, would it be overkill to go for the 4 gigs of ram? Or is it just a better deal in case I decide to upgrade to a 64 bit OS in the near future? I certainly don't mind paying 20 bucks more for something that will give me good upgrade options. Not a bad deal, in any case. And yes, I do play the occasional game, so I do want the extra oomph.

Definitely go for 4Gigs - you may lose 1/2 Gig of it on XP32, but you're gaining another 1.5Gigs, and you'll still have two slots left for more later.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on March 07, 2009, 11:50:25 AM
If you're getting DDR2 I'd recommend paying $20 more for 2x2GB sticks of DDR2 1066 and getting an E8400 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037) rather than the E7500 it's got double the amount of L2 cache for around $24 more. Upgrades in stuff like that you'll see a difference in performance if you were to play any games on the system.

I'm going to stick with Windows XP for now, so with the capper of 3.5 gigs of RAM available to it, would it be overkill to go for the 4 gigs of ram? Or is it just a better deal in case I decide to upgrade to a 64 bit OS in the near future? I certainly don't mind paying 20 bucks more for something that will give me good upgrade options. Not a bad deal, in any case. And yes, I do play the occasional game, so I do want the extra oomph.

If you're buying XP anyway, you might as well go for the 64-bit version of XP Professional (XP Home doesn't have a 64-bit version, alas).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on March 07, 2009, 05:52:42 PM
The OS won't recognize more than 3gig of RAM if it's 32-bit.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on March 07, 2009, 06:11:30 PM
How much RAM does it have (I'm too lazy to find your post about it)?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 07, 2009, 06:25:41 PM
Well technically it won't recognize 3.25GB if RAM if I had money I'd drop it on Vista 64-bit that way it'll recognize more than 2TB hard drive space as well.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 07, 2009, 06:32:57 PM
The OS won't recognize more than 3gig of RAM if it's 32-bit.

No shit? Bugger.

I just got a computer with 32-bit Vista preinstalled. I suppose I'm stuck with that until next computer (3+ years from now)?

This help ya feel better? Straight from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit):

Limitations
Most 64-bit microprocessors on the market today have an artificial limit on the amount of memory they can address, because physical constraints make impossible to support the full 16.8 million terabyte capacity. For example, the AMD Athlon X2 has a 40-bit address bus and recognizes only 48 bits of the 64-bit virtual address[1]. The newer Barcelona X4 supports a 48-bit of physical address and 48 bits of the 64-bit virtual address.

It's doubtful you'll need more than the 3.5Gigs that 32-bit Windows supports over the next three years. There really doesn't seem to be enough support for 64-bit apps and games right now to make it worthwhile for most people anyway.

If you just bought a new PC, it should be able to run a 64-bit OS just like everything else these days. You could buy the new version of Windows and add more RAM instead of buying a new PC. 'Course it might be cheaper to buy a faster PC at that point anyway.

FWIW, WinXP 32-bit with 4Gigs RAM
(http://home.comcast.net/~southpaw42/WinXP32bit_4GIG_RAM.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 07, 2009, 07:03:56 PM
I'm just going to do a fresh install of the XP I already have, just because there are still some programs I use that are not available for the 64 bit OS yet. It's just more convenient. Besides, I'm not all that miffed that I'd lose the extra 1.75 gigs of RAM. I'll buy the 4 gigs because it's still pretty darn cheap and I can upgrade to the 64 bit OS later.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 07, 2009, 07:22:29 PM
Question about RAM: If the Gigabyte motherboard I'm getting says it supports 1.8 volt RAM, and the RAM I get is 2 or 2.1, will that cause instability? Do I need to get RAM that matches the voltage on my mobo's DIMM slots?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on March 07, 2009, 07:36:58 PM
I would go to the web site for your RAM manufacturer; most of the big ones have pretty detailed lists of which motherboards are compatible.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 07, 2009, 07:43:55 PM
Question about RAM: If the Gigabyte motherboard I'm getting says it supports 1.8 volt RAM, and the RAM I get is 2 or 2.1, will that cause instability? Do I need to get RAM that matches the voltage on my mobo's DIMM slots?

No you're good. If the board doesn't auto-adjust to the RAM or if you're just not satisfied with the voltage the board chooses, you'll be able to change it in very small increments. Both of my main Gigabyte boards (GA-X38-DQ6 and GA-EP45-DS3L) support 1.4v to well beyond 2.4v for RAM.

This info is probably buried somewhere deep in the User Manual (http://www.gigabyte.us/Support/Motherboard/Manual_Model.aspx?ProductID=2914#anchor_os).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 09, 2009, 10:57:28 AM
In my experience you're always going to get the machine dirtier quicker when it's on the floor especially if it's a hardwood floor. I keep my towers on my desktops. I also buy nice looking towers which I like to show off.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 09, 2009, 11:07:05 AM
Not a clue I've got animals at my house and had hardwood floors and carpeting and switching between floor and desktop there was a significant difference in how much dust and hair my fans collected in my case. If you have 80mm, 90mm, or 120mm fans I might suggest something like one of these (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999208) if there's enough space to to fit it between the intake fan and the case. You'd probably have to go to www.frozencpu.com for an 80mm filter though.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 09, 2009, 11:18:17 AM
All right, an open question here: does it make a difference in terms of cleanliness of your machine whether you put it on the ground or on a desk?

I'd say yes, absolutely. My thought is that dust settles down toward the ground. When you place what is essentially a vacuum cleaner near the ground, it's bound to suck in more than if it's placed higher up.

My P182 cases are pretty close to dust-free inside: Both 120mm intake fans have removable/cleanable mesh filters, and they fill up fairly quickly.

Maybe it'd help if you placed some cheap screen material inside the case, in front of your intake fans?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 09, 2009, 11:28:38 AM
I've been reading up on the various RAM combos available and their prices, and I'm wondering...

According to the JEDEC spec, the basic RAM speed is 800 MHz. To reach 1066, you have to tweak the BIOS to 1066. No biggie. Yet, I assume I'll also have to up the voltage to match what the RAM is set at, since the spec is also 1.8 volt, and many RAM kits are at least 2.1 volts.

Will I run into issues down the line? Wouldn't it be easier and less problematic just to stick with a RAM set that runs at 800 MHz 1.8 volt? I'm not very patient when it comes to random errors. Unless it's only a problem when you overclock?

Sure, I want the faster speed and higher capacity for just a tad more money, but I don't want to spend half my time dealing with errors and instability.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 09, 2009, 01:14:40 PM
I've been reading up on the various RAM combos available and their prices, and I'm wondering...

According to the JEDEC spec, the basic RAM speed is 800 MHz. To reach 1066, you have to tweak the BIOS to 1066. No biggie. Yet, I assume I'll also have to up the voltage to match what the RAM is set at, since the spec is also 1.8 volt, and many RAM kits are at least 2.1 volts.

Will I run into issues down the line? Wouldn't it be easier and less problematic just to stick with a RAM set that runs at 800 MHz 1.8 volt? I'm not very patient when it comes to random errors. Unless it's only a problem when you overclock?

Sure, I want the faster speed and higher capacity for just a tad more money, but I don't want to spend half my time dealing with errors and instability.

I'm with you there. I'm not really into OC'ing because the benefit is really off-set by the constant testing and troubleshooting required to push it to the limit. Even then, you'll come up against something later on (like Mass Effect, Crysis, Fallout3, yada yada) that won't respond well to a maxed-out system and then you get to play with that all over again.

If the JEDEC spec is correct, then maybe the mobo automatically adjusts to what the RAM says it is, bus-wise? Seems to be true for me voltage-wise, though to get the advertised the timings you probably will have to push it higher.

I have this RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227298) in my GA-X38-DQ6 board and despite what the pic below says, everything is set to auto. I was surprised to see the RAM voltage at 2.224v, but I also have the board set to "Turbo" mode instead of "Standard".

I've been running this config since September with no problems at all. I really doubt you'll have to do any tweaking at all

(http://home.comcast.net/~southpaw42/GA-X38-DQ6_OCZ-1066-DDR2-Platinum_RAM_Timing.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 09, 2009, 01:35:39 PM
I've been reading up on the various RAM combos available and their prices, and I'm wondering...

According to the JEDEC spec, the basic RAM speed is 800 MHz. To reach 1066, you have to tweak the BIOS to 1066. No biggie. Yet, I assume I'll also have to up the voltage to match what the RAM is set at, since the spec is also 1.8 volt, and many RAM kits are at least 2.1 volts.

Will I run into issues down the line? Wouldn't it be easier and less problematic just to stick with a RAM set that runs at 800 MHz 1.8 volt? I'm not very patient when it comes to random errors. Unless it's only a problem when you overclock?

Sure, I want the faster speed and higher capacity for just a tad more money, but I don't want to spend half my time dealing with errors and instability.

I'm with you there. I'm not really into OC'ing because the benefit is really off-set by the constant testing and troubleshooting required to push it to the limit. Even then, you'll come up against something later on (like Mass Effect, Crysis, Fallout3, yada yada) that won't respond well to a maxed-out system and then you get to play with that all over again.

If the JEDEC spec is correct, then maybe the mobo automatically adjusts to what the RAM says it is, bus-wise? Seems to be true for me voltage-wise, though to get the advertised the timings you probably will have to push it higher.

I have this RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227298) in my GA-X38-DQ6 board and despite what the pic below says, everything is set to auto. I was surprised to see the RAM voltage at 2.224v, but I also have the board set to "Turbo" mode instead of "Standard".

I've been running this config since September with no problems at all. I really doubt you'll have to do any tweaking at all

(http://home.comcast.net/~southpaw42/GA-X38-DQ6_OCZ-1066-DDR2-Platinum_RAM_Timing.jpg)


Thanks. That certainly helps with my peace-of-mind level right now. I'm anxious to get down to business on this build. Should be getting my tax refund some time this week. I'll post pics of the setup once it's put together.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 09, 2009, 02:31:50 PM
All right, an open question here: does it make a difference in terms of cleanliness of your machine whether you put it on the ground or on a desk?

I'd say yes, absolutely. My thought is that dust settles down toward the ground. When you place what is essentially a vacuum cleaner near the ground, it's bound to suck in more than if it's placed higher up.

My P182 cases are pretty close to dust-free inside: Both 120mm intake fans have removable/cleanable mesh filters, and they fill up fairly quickly.

Maybe it'd help if you placed some cheap screen material inside the case, in front of your intake fans?

You mean on the backs of the fans or on the insides of the vents in the case?

Kinda depends on what's most convenient (and maybe what looks good or not from the outside), since you'll have to pull them out and clean them once in a while. Definitely a LOT easier than having to hose out the entire box. For me that would mean disconnecting everything, hauling 50lbs of PC down stairs to the garage, and spraying a cloud of dust out with 3 air cans. :P

If possible, I'd put them in the case in front of the fans. jewishcarpenter's suggestion looks pretty good...

I've been running this box (http://home.comcast.net/~southpaw42/GA-EP45-DSL3_Internal-No-Dust.jpg) since since late September, and I've never cleaned it out. The only dust I found in it was at the bottom of the pic.

Here's a before & after shot (http://home.comcast.net/~southpaw42/GA-EP45-DSL3_External-Dust-Screens.jpg) of the two dust screens on the same box.

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 09, 2009, 02:52:29 PM
The fan filter's are your best bet.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 09, 2009, 02:54:01 PM
The fan filter's are your best bet.

Yep, what he said. ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 11, 2009, 12:55:07 PM
Well, my stuff shipped today from newegg. Can't wait to put it all together! Should arrive by Friday. I'll post pics.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813128358

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819115037

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814102822

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820231166

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822136319

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16827136152


Items already owned going into the system:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129154
(black, not silver)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Trumpysgirl on March 11, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
Hey guys I'd like a little help here.

I've recently been hired to film a promotional video for a company and, due to circumstances beyond my control, the computer I normally use to edit on is no longer available.

So, the CEO offered to pay for a new computer in addition to my overall pay, which is freakin' fantastic for me. The downer, though, is that he's only giving me $600 to buy a new computer. I don't think that he knows too much about computers either, because his suggestion was that I purchase a laptop to take with me when I travel to make the video.

Problem is, there is no way I can edit a twenty minute video on a laptop. So I've started looking around for an affordable computer that can handle the amount of editing that I need to do. I know that finding a computer like that for $600 is impossible, but I'm willing to make up the difference if I can find the next best thing.

Can anyone suggest anything affordable? I can work on both PCs and Macs. Thanks!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on March 11, 2009, 01:07:17 PM
I assembled Laurie's computer from the ground up for that much, and I'm pretty sure it could handle video editing (if she was into that sort of thing). The big deal-killer might be the cost of decent editing software.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 11, 2009, 01:14:28 PM
Well, my stuff shipped today from newegg. Can't wait to put it all together! Should arrive by Friday. I'll post pics.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813128358
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819115037
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814102822
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820231166
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822136319
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16827136152

Items already owned going into the system:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129154 (black, not silver)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223

Excellent, I'm sure you'll be happy with the performance of this setup. Nice drive choice, too. I have three of the 640G Blacks and they're excellent performers.

This is kind of like Crack for me. Even when I get something built nice new & shiny, it isn't long before I want to build another (key word is "want" though).

SlickDeals & Newegg are a bad, bad thing together!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 11, 2009, 01:19:07 PM
Soooo...new fun today. I had my .mp3s on an older HD in my last computer (one from the previous computer, actually), a 120 GB IDE drive.  Worked fine.

New computer arrives--aha, no IDE connectors. Hrm. Well, I'll solve it by buying an external IDE hard drive enclosure!

It arrived today, I got everything sealed up and...

...the computer won't recognize the device. FAHK.

I searched around a lot and the solutions seem to be not so helpful.  Thoughts?

USB, correct? Does it not show up or make any indication at all on the PC when you plug it in (like a sound)?

Is the drive jumpered in any way? You might need to add/remove or change a jumper on the drive depending on what the drive itself requires. It might require being set on "Cable Select (CS)" or "Master" to work properly in the external box.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Nunyerbiz on March 11, 2009, 01:22:21 PM
Trumpysgirl,

I guess it depends on what kind of video you are editing. If you are looking at standard definition source footage and using some pro-sumer software package like Vegas Platinum or Premiere Elements, you could probably build a respectable editing PC for that price range (not counting the cost of software / OS). That's about all I have personal experience with... editing standard def footage with consumer based equipment,  so if you are going all crazy Adobe CS4 professional style... then might need more horsepower.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 11, 2009, 06:15:52 PM
It shows up and makes the little string-sound and then says "USB Device not recognized."

I thought it might be a jumper issue; I had it without the jumper at first, but I'll try it in the "master" position now.

Any luck?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 13, 2009, 01:48:41 PM
Got my shipment today! It's at the Apartment complex office, and I gotsta go get it and put it all together some time this weekend. Can't wait to get up and running! Pics to come.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 13, 2009, 02:28:44 PM
Got my shipment today! It's at the Apartment complex office, and I gotsta go get it and put it all together some time this weekend. Can't wait to get up and running! Pics to come.

Cool!  8) Looking forward to seeing the pics.

I finally figured out the differences between the P180 and P182. What do you think of the cable routing on the P180? It seems to be the only major difference between the two boxes. They're actually pretty nice cases.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 13, 2009, 02:49:10 PM
It shows up and makes the little string-sound and then says "USB Device not recognized."

I thought it might be a jumper issue; I had it without the jumper at first, but I'll try it in the "master" position now.

Any luck?

Well, I finally got it to work by finding a computer at the school here and adding it as a second drive, then plugging in my working external HD and getting the files off it.  I don't know why it won't read as-is; perhaps it just wasn't meant to be. So sad.

How odd! The older PATA drive can be pretty finicky things, though. Makes me wonder if either your new external box is bad, or if the PC's USB ports need a different BIOS config parameter.

Either way it's great you got the data. Watching a hard drive go down with data you're attached to kindof gives you a sinking feeling.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Bob on March 13, 2009, 02:57:03 PM
This BARELY counts as a "computer thread" comment.

Now that I have moved all my files (e.g. movies, mps3, pictures, backed up files, etc.) to my extrnal hard drive, I thought about backing up the external hard drive to an online storage/retrieval site.   I read really good reviews for HP's Upline service, was about to start my 30 day free trial, when I read that they are going to discontinue that service at the end of the month and gave everyone 30 days to retrieve their data.

That is what scares me about websites for offline storage..... what if they discontinue that service?    Seems to me that would be a CHEAP service to run, but what do I know.

So, instead I picked up a 1tb external hard drive that I plan on hooked up to my laptop via USB (my other one is on the firewire) and just periodically copy the files from one external to the other for backup.   I will keep the 1TB drive in the safe so it is away from the other one in case of fire or power surge or something like that.

Is that how you all back up your data?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 13, 2009, 03:01:30 PM
For my business files, I use a simple CD-R disc..

Otherwise, their backed up on internal hard drives on several computers..
External I've dropped, had drinks spilled 'near' them, people finding it and messing with it..

I just keep Multiple copies on different computers, but that's just me :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 13, 2009, 03:18:38 PM
This BARELY counts as a "computer thread" comment.

Now that I have moved all my files (e.g. movies, mps3, pictures, backed up files, etc.) to my extrnal hard drive, I thought about backing up the external hard drive to an online storage/retrieval site.   I read really good reviews for HP's Upline service, was about to start my 30 day free trial, when I read that they are going to discontinue that service at the end of the month and gave everyone 30 days to retrieve their data.

That is what scares me about websites for offline storage..... what if they discontinue that service?    Seems to me that would be a CHEAP service to run, but what do I know.

So, instead I picked up a 1tb external hard drive that I plan on hooked up to my laptop via USB (my other one is on the firewire) and just periodically copy the files from one external to the other for backup.   I will keep the 1TB drive in the safe so it is away from the other one in case of fire or power surge or something like that.

Is that how you all back up your data?

Backup, what's that? Seriously, I just KNOW I'll lose a drive unexpectedly some day. I currently have one 640Gig backup for critical data, and I'll receive a 1T drive today that I'll also use for extra backup.

Two years ago the board on one of my 160gig drives - full of high-res photos (I'm an amateur photographer) - literally burned up. I got lucky and found an identical drive on-line and swapped boards successfully and got the data. Then shortly after, I had another 160Gig drive disc fail slowly, and I swapped more parts to make two out of three 160Gig drives good.

I was lucky. But I've done lots of tech support and seen many people lose their entire laptop drives and not one of them backed up a drive before-hand. It's such a sinking feeling to lose such critical data...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 16, 2009, 10:06:38 AM
Got my shipment today! It's at the Apartment complex office, and I gotsta go get it and put it all together some time this weekend. Can't wait to get up and running! Pics to come.

Cool!  8) Looking forward to seeing the pics.

I finally figured out the differences between the P180 and P182. What do you think of the cable routing on the P180? It seems to be the only major difference between the two boxes. They're actually pretty nice cases.

The P180 is nicely made, and I like the sound of it. It's fairly inert and the metal isn't thin and crappy like most cheap cases. The only part of the case that isn't up to snuff is the front door hinges, which can break quite easily. Also, the cabling can get a little cramped if you have a full ATX mobo and lots of stuff hooked up to it. The PSU is on the bottom of the case, and the divider is almost completely flush with the edge of the mobo, so it can get rather close if your PSU has lots of cables. A modular PSU would be a better choice for this reason. But I'm very happy with the case.

So I got my computer built last night, but a problem arose when I tried to hook up my Zalman CPU cooler. The mounting bracket won't fit because of the heatsink on the output side of the board is in the way. DAMN!! So, I gotta buy another cooler, because I just don't like the one that came with the CPU, though it will do in the interim. I'll be installing Windows and the myriad of updates tonight. Pix will hopefully be uploaded tomorrow!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 16, 2009, 10:34:46 AM
So I got my computer built last night, but a problem arose when I tried to hook up my Zalman CPU cooler. The mounting bracket won't fit because of the heatsink on the output side of the board is in the way. DAMN!! So, I gotta buy another cooler, because I just don't like the one that came with the CPU, though it will do in the interim. I'll be installing Windows and the myriad of updates tonight. Pix will hopefully be uploaded tomorrow!
If it's a Socket 775 like mine, can't you just rotate it so it's blowing vertical (up or down) to avoid the mobo part that's in the way?

That's what I did to mine if you look at the pics back on page.. 5 of this thread :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 16, 2009, 10:52:31 AM
So I got my computer built last night, but a problem arose when I tried to hook up my Zalman CPU cooler. The mounting bracket won't fit because of the heatsink on the output side of the board is in the way. DAMN!! So, I gotta buy another cooler, because I just don't like the one that came with the CPU, though it will do in the interim. I'll be installing Windows and the myriad of updates tonight. Pix will hopefully be uploaded tomorrow!
If it's a Socket 775 like mine, can't you just rotate it so it's blowing vertical (up or down) to avoid the mobo part that's in the way?

That's what I did to mine if you look at the pics back on page.. 5 of this thread :-\

Yeah, that's the other option, but unfortunately, I filed down the part of the bracket that was in the way, however, I didn't realize that it was an important part to the mounting bracket that actually holds the clip secure, so I'll have to order a replacement from Zalman before I can reuse it anyway.  :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 16, 2009, 10:59:23 AM
So I got my computer built last night, but a problem arose when I tried to hook up my Zalman CPU cooler. The mounting bracket won't fit because of the heatsink on the output side of the board is in the way. DAMN!! So, I gotta buy another cooler, because I just don't like the one that came with the CPU, though it will do in the interim. I'll be installing Windows and the myriad of updates tonight. Pix will hopefully be uploaded tomorrow!
If it's a Socket 775 like mine, can't you just rotate it so it's blowing vertical (up or down) to avoid the mobo part that's in the way?

That's what I did to mine if you look at the pics back on page.. 5 of this thread :-\

Yeah, that's the other option, but unfortunately, I filed down the part of the bracket that was in the way, however, I didn't realize that it was an important part to the mounting bracket that actually holds the clip secure, so I'll have to order a replacement from Zalman before I can reuse it anyway.  :-\
D'OH!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 16, 2009, 11:02:10 AM
So I got my computer built last night, but a problem arose when I tried to hook up my Zalman CPU cooler. The mounting bracket won't fit because of the heatsink on the output side of the board is in the way. DAMN!! So, I gotta buy another cooler, because I just don't like the one that came with the CPU, though it will do in the interim. I'll be installing Windows and the myriad of updates tonight. Pix will hopefully be uploaded tomorrow!
If it's a Socket 775 like mine, can't you just rotate it so it's blowing vertical (up or down) to avoid the mobo part that's in the way?

That's what I did to mine if you look at the pics back on page.. 5 of this thread :-\

Yeah, that's the other option, but unfortunately, I filed down the part of the bracket that was in the way, however, I didn't realize that it was an important part to the mounting bracket that actually holds the clip secure, so I'll have to order a replacement from Zalman before I can reuse it anyway.  :-\
D'OH!

Yup.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 16, 2009, 12:03:36 PM
So I got my computer built last night, but a problem arose when I tried to hook up my Zalman CPU cooler. The mounting bracket won't fit because of the heatsink on the output side of the board is in the way. DAMN!! So, I gotta buy another cooler, because I just don't like the one that came with the CPU, though it will do in the interim. I'll be installing Windows and the myriad of updates tonight. Pix will hopefully be uploaded tomorrow!
If it's a Socket 775 like mine, can't you just rotate it so it's blowing vertical (up or down) to avoid the mobo part that's in the way?

That's what I did to mine if you look at the pics back on page.. 5 of this thread :-\

Yeah, that's the other option, but unfortunately, I filed down the part of the bracket that was in the way, however, I didn't realize that it was an important part to the mounting bracket that actually holds the clip secure, so I'll have to order a replacement from Zalman before I can reuse it anyway.  :-\
D'OH!

Yup.

I'm confused. It was the bracket that wouldn't fit, as opposed to the HSF? Odd. Anyway, that sucks! Sorry to hear. Gigabyte does seem to make their heatsinks a bit high - you'd think they would keep the big popular HSF's in mind when they design the boards.

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 16, 2009, 08:28:08 PM
SUCCESS!!
(I crossed myself several times for this one, and I'm not even Catholic!)

The build is done, for now, and Windows XP is partitioning the new drive (slooooooooooooooowly...)

I'll have some pictures up probably tomorrow, though I still need to upgrade the CPU cooler, as I just don't trust the stock one that came with it. Can't wait to load some games, watch some high definition video, and do some heavy photoshop work and see just how fast my new toy is!!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Trumpysgirl on March 17, 2009, 11:08:07 AM
I'm completely illiterate when it comes to building computers. I have a budget of $600 and a friend who builds computers for a living. How much should I pay him to build one for me?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on March 17, 2009, 11:09:49 AM
What can he build you for the full amount?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Trumpysgirl on March 17, 2009, 11:17:13 AM
What can he build you for the full amount?

My budget for the whole thing is $600, whatever I pay him has to come out of that.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 17, 2009, 11:17:51 AM
I'm completely illiterate when it comes to building computers. I have a budget of $600 and a friend who builds computers for a living. How much should I pay him to build one for me?

I have no idea what people charge to do this sort of work. Why not ask him what he'd charge you for it, given your budget? What will you use it for?

Why have someone build you one instead of getting a pre-built box like a Dell? Most people who want to build one from scratch prefer to do the work themselves. Just curious. :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on March 17, 2009, 11:19:24 AM
What can he build you for the full amount?

My budget for the whole thing is $600, whatever I pay him has to come out of that.

OK then, how much does the software suite cost, and what can he build you for the remainder?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Trumpysgirl on March 17, 2009, 11:24:18 AM
I have no idea what people charge to do this sort of work. Why not ask him what he'd charge you for it, given your budget? What will you use it for?

Why have someone build you one instead of getting a pre-built box like a Dell? Most people who want to build one from scratch prefer to do the work themselves. Just curious. :)

Well, I was just hired to film a 20-minute promotional video for a small company this summer. Trouble is, with all of the footage that I need to store in addition to the actual editing of the video, I can't imagine that I could find a desktop for $600 that has that much space. The CEO who hired me is just a tad computer illiterate, but I don't know if I could finagle more money considering the amazing fact that he was willing to buy me a computer in addition to my salary in the first place.

What can he build you for the full amount?

My budget for the whole thing is $600, whatever I pay him has to come out of that.

OK then, how much does the software suite cost, and what can he build you for the remainder?

I have no idea, I'm just starting this whole process.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on March 17, 2009, 11:26:55 AM
Well probably best to find out the price of the software first then, since there's unlikely to be much fluctuation in the price of that (some depending on where you buy it but not a great deal in the greater scheme of things).

Once you know how much of the budget that's going to eat up you'll be in a better position to haggle on the price of the machine.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 18, 2009, 08:14:38 AM
Ok I don't want any fan boy answers please be honest.

Are apple laptops any better then windows based ones?

Lately my vista laptop seems to crash every ten minutes and I have never really been happy with any of my computers.

Do Macs really work any better,or do they just have their own set of problems and stupid glitches.

I am thinking of getting a Mac laptop after I finish catching up on bills in June.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 18, 2009, 08:17:24 AM
Put it this way..

They Both (Windows & Mac) use the Same Hardware..

I'd recommend just 'back stepping' to Windows XP and Save your money.. 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 18, 2009, 08:21:17 AM
Sorry It's just durring my time on the internet I have seen so many people who worship everything apple does.

I just want to know the truth of what I can expect from an apple laptop.

I know it is going to cost a packet but it would be worth it at this point for a laptop that could surf the web for five minutes with out crashing.

Yes i have run every virus and spybot check out there this is just vista being the worst POS ever put out in human history.

Bill Gates should have to refund everyone who ever bought Vista's money.

Nothing on this thing works.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 18, 2009, 08:28:08 AM
Yeah pretty much.

I don't have a lot of space and I do a lot of computing on the go.

My Laptop didn't give me any trouble until about a month ago,then Vista started upgrading it's self every time I go online and now it's crashing all the time.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 18, 2009, 08:31:39 AM
Can that be done with Vista,and if so how?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 18, 2009, 08:34:52 AM
Vista works best when you have good hardware. I have an Acer laptop running Windows Vista Home Basic, and it was a cheap machine too (less than $600). I don't really have too many issues with crashing, but it does glitch in certain apps and doesn't have many resources to pull from. I wouldn't even think of running any higher version of Vista because the laptop couldn't possibly keep up.

The price of admission for a Mac is a bit high, but it's well worth it. I think you'll be pleased. The OS is very intuitive and easy to figure out, and the system is pretty reliable. Depending on what you want to do with it...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 18, 2009, 08:39:06 AM
I just want to write,surf the web,manage MP3 files,and burn the odd DVD and yet my $600 vista laptop can't seem to do that any more.

It has a 3 GHZ prosecore and 3 gigs of ram so I have no idea why there should be so much trouble.

Then again ever windows based PC I have ever used seems to give me nothing but trouble.

unless I hear something bad I may start saving for a mac in June.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 18, 2009, 08:46:57 AM
A Vista disc didn't come with the computer so I can't do that.

All the software came preinstaled with no discs.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 18, 2009, 08:49:59 AM
Oh ok thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 18, 2009, 10:07:39 AM
Here's the first images:
(used spoiler tags because of image sizes)

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I'm quite pleased with the performance so far. Loaded both Painkiller and Unreal Tournament 2004. Both games played flawlessly with settings at max. Even in Painkiller, where boatloads of enemies charge you all at once, it didn't even bat an eyelash. I'll be purchasing a newer game soon to give it a real test. The comp is most definitely quieter than the previous incarnation. The temperature stays cool even after pushing the system for several hours.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 18, 2009, 10:18:29 AM
Not to shabby! :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 18, 2009, 10:22:44 AM
What do you guys and gals recommend for a FPS that's not too expensive? I need something that shows off the capability of my system and looks badass. Any ideas?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 18, 2009, 10:42:39 AM
FPS ???

As in Gaming.. 'First-Person Shooter'?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 18, 2009, 10:43:36 AM
FPS ???

As in Gaming.. 'First-Person Shooter'?

Um yes...  :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 18, 2009, 10:45:17 AM
FPS ???

As in Gaming.. 'First-Person Shooter'?

Um yes...  :-\
Sorry.. Not a Gamer myself so I didn't know :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 18, 2009, 10:49:58 AM
Feminine Protection Spray
ew :speechless:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 18, 2009, 11:34:48 AM
OK that is it!

Vista has crashed nine times today just surfing the web,no windows computer I have ever used has ever worked well.

In June I am saving up for an apple and I am never buying another thing made by microsoft again.

It's a complete rip off.

I have always hated die hard apple fanboys but by making each operating system even worse then the last and by making me waist huge amounts of my time just trying to get windows to work Microsoft has turned me into an apple user.

Good going Bill Gates!

I hope that by the end of this year I will be microsoft free.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 18, 2009, 11:42:27 AM
What do you guys and gals recommend for a FPS that's not too expensive? I need something that shows off the capability of my system and looks badass. Any ideas?

Nice work.

How is the stock HSF working on the CPU? I never did try it since I was lucky enough to fit the 9700NT on mine. I had no idea that back heat sink took up so much space on your board!

Crysis is always good for pushing your system, but I found it boring. Mass Effect and Fallout3 are technically an RPGs, but they do a great job of stressing a PC. I enjoyed them both and RPGs are not my thing.

Mass Effect is only $20 via STEAM (http://store.steampowered.com/app/17460/). The install through STEAM doesn't include limits or the usual SecuROM as it does with the disk.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 18, 2009, 11:49:13 AM
OK that is it!

Vista has crashed nine times today just surfing the web,no windows computer I have ever used has ever worked well.

In June I am saving up for an apple and I am never buying another thing made by microsoft again.

It's a complete rip off.

I have always hated die hard apple fanboys but by making each operating system even worse then the last and by making me waist huge amounts of my time just trying to get windows to work Microsoft has turned me into an apple user.

Good going Bill Gates!

I hope that by the end of this year I will be microsoft free.

Sounds to me like you have some serious malware installed, or your hardware drivers are screwing with things. If you aren't already, you should keep track of what you're doing when your system crashes, and write down any info from error messages (such as Blue Screen of Death).

Then again, you could be experiencing a potential hardware failure, such as memory or hard drive. I would back up all critical data and order a re-install disc as Imrahil suggested.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 18, 2009, 12:17:24 PM
What do you guys and gals recommend for a FPS that's not too expensive? I need something that shows off the capability of my system and looks badass. Any ideas?

Nice work.

How is the stock HSF working on the CPU? I never did try it since I was lucky enough to fit the 9700NT on mine. I had no idea that back heat sink took up so much space on your board!


Yeah, the heat sink takes up mucho room, but the bracket for the 9500 LED is pretty big to begin with. As for the stock Intel cooler, it works well, though it's still new and I haven't really pushed the system to the breaking point yet, so I don't know how well it would hold up under stress. I use the Speedfan program to monitor system temps, and the temp of the CPU stays at around 41 degrees Celsius, which is well under spec tolerances(if I am reading the program right, that is). My case also has good air flow, as I have one 120mm fan up front, blowing air in, and two in the back, one behind the processor, one above.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 18, 2009, 12:24:26 PM
OK that is it!

Vista has crashed nine times today just surfing the web,no windows computer I have ever used has ever worked well.

In June I am saving up for an apple and I am never buying another thing made by microsoft again.

It's a complete rip off.

I have always hated die hard apple fanboys but by making each operating system even worse then the last and by making me waist huge amounts of my time just trying to get windows to work Microsoft has turned me into an apple user.

Good going Bill Gates!

I hope that by the end of this year I will be microsoft free.

Sounds to me like you have some serious malware installed, or your hardware drivers are screwing with things. If you aren't already, you should keep track of what you're doing when your system crashes, and write down any info from error messages (such as Blue Screen of Death).

Then again, you could be experiencing a potential hardware failure, such as memory or hard drive. I would back up all critical data and order a re-install disc as Imrahil suggested.

I'll give it a shot  but if this hasn't cleared up by Juen i mean it I am jumping ship.

I have never been happy with anything I have bought from Microsoft except for the Xbox.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on March 18, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
They've got Unreal Tournament 3 on Steam right now for $12 that might give your computer a little workout.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 18, 2009, 02:42:52 PM
They've got Unreal Tournament 3 on Steam right now for $12 that might give your computer a little workout.

That's the second mention of Steam...  what is that, a game download service?

I'm a big fan of unreal tournament, so I'll definitely look into that! And I'd love to pay only 12 bucks too.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 18, 2009, 02:45:49 PM
Even if I don't switch to Apple I still want to hurt Bill Gates.

How many hours of my life have I wasted just trying to get Windows to work.

Media player and internet Explorer suck.

Word and works are over priced.

He has made a fortune making sub par products.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 18, 2009, 03:13:45 PM
They've got Unreal Tournament 3 on Steam right now for $12 that might give your computer a little workout.

That's the second mention of Steam...  what is that, a game download service?

Yes, but it's also a form of "copy protection" through authentication (rather than software-based copy protection). It was created by Valve, which makes Half-Life, Half-Life 2, Portal, etc. They made it (basically) in response to the theft and internet posting of their Half-Life 2 code base before the game's release, and it's sold as a service to other software vendors to sell, distribute, and authenticate users of their games (Damn I sound like a commercial).

It's actually pretty simple to use, though sometimes the download process can take a long time, especially when a new and popular game is released on STEAM. I actually bought Fallout3 and Mass Effect on STEAM because I refuse to buy games with intrusive copy protection like SecuROM, which installs software that can interfere with and otherwise royally screw up your PC in many ways.

So to get it, you'd go to Steampowered.com, create a STEAM ID, download and install the client for free. From either the web site or the interface you can purchase games. Valve keeps track of all of your purchases, displays all of the games you own. You can nuke your PC and re-download everything you've bought using your ID, if necessary. You can also back up all of your games for future faster re-install.

I like it. It's pretty unobtrusive, and much better than software copy protection.

Here's a screenshot of the interface...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 18, 2009, 04:19:33 PM
It's also a kickass Peter Gabriel song.


Yep, like most of 'em.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 19, 2009, 07:40:14 AM
I got Steam up and running. Though it's a bitch because Peer Guardian wants to block it, and I haven't figured out how to unblock that particular website's stuff just yet.

I downloaded the demo for Bioshock, and my system played it at full resolution without any hiccups whatsoever. My Samsung 19" LCD has a max resolution of 1280 by 1024 via DVI. I'm really psyched to see what it does with URT 3! It's downloading on Steam as well, though it's pretty slow. Only 30 percent downloaded after 3 hours...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tony on March 19, 2009, 09:12:53 AM
I got Steam up and running. Though it's a bitch because Peer Guardian wants to block it, and I haven't figured out how to unblock that particular website's stuff just yet.

I downloaded the demo for Bioshock, and my system played it at full resolution without any hiccups whatsoever. My Samsung 19" LCD has a max resolution of 1280 by 1024 via DVI. I'm really psyched to see what it does with URT 3! It's downloading on Steam as well, though it's pretty slow. Only 30 percent downloaded after 3 hours...

A word of potential advice: I found that Steam occasionally stalls on long downloads. If this happens to you, turn on the bandwidth monitor in the View menu, right-click the downloading game, select Pause, then Restart.

Bioshock is another good test, and a freaky game, too. Have you ever played Half-Life 2 and the Episodes? Judging by what you've mentioned so far I'd bet you would like it. If you can get the Valve Orange Box on sale somewhere, you can use the CD key to download the entire package through Steam. It comes with Portal, which is a fantastic game.

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 21, 2009, 01:07:17 PM
Well I got Steam all up and running, and downloaded URT3. It's damn nice! Aside from a little bit of flicker - mostly during the cut scenes - it looks great and plays very smoothly. It does tax the system a bit, as the CPU is running at about 67 percent, and the temp rises to around 45 C. Once I get a better quality CPU Cooler, I'm sure the temps will come down a bit.

Also bought the Orange Box, and am playing Half Life 2. This is my first experience with the Half Life franchise, and it's pretty swell. I also grabbed Bioshock, and am itching to get it installed. I just love the look of the game, and it's fun to play.

It's so nice to have a system that doesn't whine when I push it. If only it could run Apple OSX Leopard! hehehe

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 24, 2009, 11:42:47 AM
Can anyone recommend a good CPU cooler? I don't want anything too big, like the Zalman 9500 I had. Also, mounting space is a factor, since the passive heat sinks on my mobo are very close to the CPU. Unfortunately for me, the Zalman's mounting bracket is MUCH too big to fit, plus the clip system used to connect the cooler to the mounting bracket was EXTREMELY difficult to install on my previous system.

I don't plan on overclocking my CPU, so I don't need the last measure of performance available, just something that does a great job and fits my system. The stock cooler just doesn't cut it when I get deep into a session of Bioshock or Half-Life 2...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Trumpysgirl on April 03, 2009, 05:27:41 PM
Hey guys I need opinions. Would this laptop be able to handle editing a 20-minute video?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4321348&Sku=S445-150023 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4321348&Sku=S445-150023)

Thanks!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on April 03, 2009, 05:52:27 PM
Probably, might not do the greatest job ever but for the budget you have it's probably an OK selection. :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Trumpysgirl on April 03, 2009, 05:53:56 PM
What about these two? Both a little more expensive but I think may be worth it:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4424378&CatId=114 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4424378&CatId=114)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on April 03, 2009, 05:58:02 PM
How much editing will you need to do on the vid? Essentially just stringing clips together or a bunch of post production (effects and the like) on top of that?

Either way, since the thing is going to be yours after the job is over, I'd go with the machine you thing is cooler (that is I'd go with the second one). :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Trumpysgirl on April 03, 2009, 05:59:31 PM
It's a promotional video, so I'm planning to add music and some graphics. 20-minutes long.

I really suck at buying computers. I'm always afraid I'll get ripped off somehow.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 03, 2009, 06:36:42 PM
What about these two? Both a little more expensive but I think may be worth it:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791)

My friend that has many various Microsoft certifications has Highly recommended this one  :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Trumpysgirl on April 03, 2009, 08:04:37 PM
What about these two? Both a little more expensive but I think may be worth it:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791)

My friend that has many various Microsoft certifications has Highly recommended this one  :o

I'm seriously considering that one. As much as I would love to have the gaming computer it's a little too far over my budget; and I could travel with a laptop.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 03, 2009, 08:15:52 PM
What about these two? Both a little more expensive but I think may be worth it:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791)

My friend that has many various Microsoft certifications has Highly recommended this one  :o

I'm seriously considering that one. As much as I would love to have the gaming computer it's a little too far over my budget; and I could travel with a laptop.
He also works at BestBuy part time (for the benifits), and if I hadn't come across the deal for mine this past week, I'd be getting this one through him :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Destin on April 03, 2009, 10:39:12 PM
What about these two? Both a little more expensive but I think may be worth it:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791)

My friend that has many various Microsoft certifications has Highly recommended this one  :o

I'm seriously considering that one. As much as I would love to have the gaming computer it's a little too far over my budget; and I could travel with a laptop.
He also works at BestBuy part time (for the benifits), and if I hadn't come across the deal for mine this past week, I'd be getting this one through him :o

You should get one from him. Best Buy Employees have a great discount. And I think the more expensive the item the better the deal they get.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 04, 2009, 03:49:21 AM
What about these two? Both a little more expensive but I think may be worth it:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9036027&type=product&id=1218011395791)

My friend that has many various Microsoft certifications has Highly recommended this one  :o

I'm seriously considering that one. As much as I would love to have the gaming computer it's a little too far over my budget; and I could travel with a laptop.
He also works at BestBuy part time (for the benifits), and if I hadn't come across the deal for mine this past week, I'd be getting this one through him :o

You should get one from him. Best Buy Employees have a great discount. And I think the more expensive the item the better the deal they get.
Well, I already got a great deal through him from a friend of his that just got laid off last week from his job, for his laptop..

It's a Sony Vaio with a 1.86 Intel Centrino Mobile processor, 2gigs of DDR2 RAM, 320 gig Hard Drive, and DVD multi burner, all for $300.. It had Vista on it, but my friend from BestBuy is downgrading it to XP Pro for free. 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Trumpysgirl on April 04, 2009, 07:43:05 AM
Crap, it doesn't look like it has a DVD burner. Can I add one to it?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 04, 2009, 08:15:00 AM
Crap, it doesn't look like it has a DVD burner. Can I add one to it?
You should.. Especially as advaced as that one is..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Trumpysgirl on April 05, 2009, 04:57:48 PM
Unfortunately I couldn't get the laptop. They don't ship and I couldn't pick it up anywhere in my area.

So, I'm going with the gaming computer (which I secretly wanted more anyway). It's always so hard for me to part with large amounts of money, even when I'm being reimbursed for it. Pressing the "confirm order" button just about gave me a heart attack.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 05, 2009, 05:26:04 PM
Well, I've already Filled the 320 gig hard drive on my new (used) Sony VAIO laptop with Various RiffTrax, Shorts, Cinematic Titanic, The Film Crew, ICWXP, RiffRaff Theater flicks, Chad Vader episodes, and even Robot Chicken 'Star Wars' along with Beavis & Butthead episodes :o

All for my upcoming vacation 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 28, 2009, 11:27:29 AM
I've been playing Call of Duty: World at War for a while now, and I'm LOVING the fact that I can play a game for hours with high visual settings and not see A BIT of slowdown!!!!

There's tons of foliage in the game, and great effects, and it's all rendered with ease. I also love the little touches to the game, such as perspective and focus. Some weapons have little serial numbers on their end, right by your eyes. Seeing all these wonderful details in real-time without incident is truly a great thing. Me being a distinctly casual gamer, this makes me want to play games more often!

Thanks to all here who gave me buying advice. I truly believe I've built a great computer, with your help.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 28, 2009, 11:38:25 AM
I've been playing Call of Duty: World at War for a while now, and I'm LOVING the fact that I can play a game for hours with high visual settings and not see A BIT of slowdown!!!!

There's tons of foliage in the game, and great effects, and it's all rendered with ease. I also love the little touches to the game, such as perspective and focus. Some weapons have little serial numbers on their end, right by your eyes. Seeing all these wonderful details in real-time without incident is truly a great thing. Me being a distinctly casual gamer, this makes me want to play games more often!

Thanks to all here who gave me buying advice. I truly believe I've built a great computer, with your help.
Glad it worked out!

I don't 'game' per say, but I Do build for speed and that requires similar components 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on April 28, 2009, 11:58:28 AM
So I'm finished building the PC.  Looks and runs okay, except for a few dents on the chassis.  I like that it glows blue.  The temperature gauge and the adjustable fan dial don't work, but that doesn't really matter.

Now I have a software problem.  I reinstalled Nero yesterday.  First off, the 350 Mb downloader took like 6 hours to download, then about 90 minutes to install.  That was weird, but it's in the past. 

Now Nero has somehow taken over my computer.  All the thumbnails for all video and audio type files have been replaced by Nero's golden disc icon.

I have this same problem with some of my files, too. 7-Zip somehow took over the iso icons and won't give them back to DVD Decrypter.

Proper editing for clear quote nesting can be difficult >.<

Anyway, I figured this out.  It's a little weird and roundabout.

1) Go to My Computer>Tools>Folder Options>File Types.
2) Scroll down to the file type you want to change, such as MP3.
3) You'll see one of two options in addition to "Change".  You'll either see "Restore" or "Advanced".  If you see "Restore", click it, and the file association will revert to.... something.  I never found the rhyme or reason to what it reverts to.  Anyway, after the reversion, the "Restore" button changes to "Advanced"
4) Click "Advanced".
5) Now the "Edit file type" window comes up, with the option to change the icon.  Click "Change Icon".
6) Click "Browse".  Navigate through C:\Program Files until you find the folder for the program you wish to use to open this file.  For example, Winamp for MP3s (my preference). 
7) You should be able to find the executable for the program (i.e. Winamp.exe).  Find it and double-click.  The "Change Icon" screen should fill up with new icons.  Double click one and hit "OK".
8) Click "OK" again.  You'll return to the "Folder Options" window.
9) If you had to click "Restore" earlier, that means the file type association was reset.  You'll need to click "Change" to set it again.  It shouldn't tinker with the icon.

I think I should do some kind of pictorial tutorial to supplement this.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on May 22, 2009, 11:44:19 PM
So, I'm currently running an evaluation copy of Windows 7. So far, I'm mostly liking what I see.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on May 23, 2009, 06:22:39 PM
Yeah, I put  Vista on Laurie's machine. The main thing I noticed about Vista is that it tried to be user-friendly to casual users, usually at the expense of more-experienced users (this, really, has been by only real gripe with Vista). 7, thus far, seems to have a found a good balance. I REALLY like the way it handles multiple open windows.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on May 28, 2009, 01:47:37 PM
I'm sorry; I don't know what that means. But the driver database is amazing.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on May 28, 2009, 01:52:03 PM
What he means by "dock" is pretty much what you see in Mac's, just something to hold your shortcuts to your programs in nifty looking icons. They're hungry for RAM though.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on May 28, 2009, 01:57:35 PM
I just don't want it to mimic the Mac OS X, because I fucking loathe that operating system.

Let's hope the next version of Vista does less than the current one to emulate Mac OSX. I'm working in Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac (PowerPoint), and they're basically emulating Apple's Keynote program. Microsoft is good at emulating innovators. ( :-*)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on May 28, 2009, 09:26:27 PM
I was thinking about upgrading my hard drive. What do you guys think?
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f356/jewishcarpenter/1aa740ed.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on May 28, 2009, 10:05:15 PM
I think you're.. rrreeeally F*ckin High!!  :D :D :D

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Pak-Man on May 28, 2009, 11:24:31 PM
Dude! Go for it! You could totally play Space Quest 3 with that thing! :^)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on May 29, 2009, 06:38:07 AM
I was watching a video on my computer this morning.  I brought down my leg in a sweeping motion and kicked out the USB cable connected to my printer.  Somehow this caused the whole computer to shut down.  When I started it back up, everything looked okay... except the USB ports aren't working.  I couldn't log in because my keyboard and mouse didn't wake up.  I tried to install a new keyboard and mouse, same deal.  The red light on the bottom of the mouse turns on, but it won't move the cursor. 

This is super annoying because I fix computers all day at work, and I hate doing that crap when I get home.  How the Hell do all the USB ports spontaneously fail?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Piobman on June 01, 2009, 07:48:53 PM
I was watching a video on my computer this morning.  I brought down my leg in a sweeping motion and kicked out the USB cable connected to my printer.  Somehow this caused the whole computer to shut down.  When I started it back up, everything looked okay... except the USB ports aren't working.  I couldn't log in because my keyboard and mouse didn't wake up.  I tried to install a new keyboard and mouse, same deal.  The red light on the bottom of the mouse turns on, but it won't move the cursor. 

This is super annoying because I fix computers all day at work, and I hate doing that crap when I get home.  How the Hell do all the USB ports spontaneously fail?

Sounds like a possible hardware problem. Maybe the usb ports are having issue. Certainly not a good sign that it rebooted your computer. That should not happen with a usb disconnection.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on June 01, 2009, 08:04:00 PM
Hmm, that reminds me, I've been having some issues with USB hardware (mostly my external HDD) spontaneously reseting my computer. I finally figured out that it has something to do with too much power being pulled through the USB ports. I realized this after plugging the hardware into my separately powered USB hub allowed the computer to function. My question is whether getting a more powerful power supply would solve this. It's either that or upgrading to a powered USB 2.0 hub (the one I have is 1.1).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 02, 2009, 06:44:07 PM
I installed a USB PCI card and it worked for a few days.. until I unplugged the keyboard. After plugging it back in, I could not use the keyboard from the PCI card or any of the motherboard ports. 

I did get a really cheap power supply when I bought this thing.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on June 02, 2009, 06:47:25 PM
I was thinking about upgrading my hard drive. What do you guys think?
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f356/jewishcarpenter/1aa740ed.jpg)

What's up with the key?

Can you drive that thing?

Or were people afraid of their neighbors coming into their houses and stealing their computer's ram?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 04, 2009, 11:36:46 AM
I have a feeling I need a new power supply.  Does anyone know a good one to use?  I'd like something that can eventually accomadate 4 SATA hard drives and my IDE DVD drive.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 04, 2009, 11:52:06 AM
Check NewEgg..
I've had pretty good luck with theirs. I'd recommend a 680 watt or higher.
Apevia has served me well 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on June 04, 2009, 11:53:54 AM
I hear good things about Cooler Master; that's what I have in Laurie's.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 04, 2009, 12:16:23 PM
500-550 watts seems fine for that many hard drives and a disc drive, as long as you don't have a badass energy hog of a video card and powerful processor.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 04, 2009, 12:58:55 PM
Check NewEgg..
I've had pretty good luck with theirs. I'd recommend a 680 watt or higher.
Apevia has served me well 8)

I do most of my PC supply shopping at NewEgg.  I searched for power supplies there and just got overwhelmed with choices.

When I get home, I need to see what kind I got in my box at home.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 04, 2009, 01:45:58 PM
If you find something good on newegg, see if you can find it for cheaper on http://www.zipzoomfly.com (http://www.zipzoomfly.com). Newegg has the tendency to usually overprice their power supplies but it's so much easier to find things on their site and look at reviews.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on June 04, 2009, 01:51:17 PM
I like eWiz as well.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 04, 2009, 09:44:31 PM
Check NewEgg..
I've had pretty good luck with theirs. I'd recommend a 680 watt or higher.
Apevia has served me well 8)

I do most of my PC supply shopping at NewEgg.  I searched for power supplies there and just got overwhelmed with choices.

When I get home, I need to see what kind I got in my box at home.
Actually, I think Aspire owns Apevia, but still they've been pretty reliable; especially for multiple hard drives and burners..

My main/master computer half way down on page 5 of this thread uses a 680 watt Apevia power supply powering 2 - 750 gig Hard Drives (1 SATA, 1 EIDE), and 3 - 500 gig hard drives (2 SATA, 1 EIDE) and 2 SATA DVD Multi Burners 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 05, 2009, 08:36:40 AM
I just bought a WD 1TB 7200rpm 32MB cache internal for my desktop. It's not showing up in Windows explorer, it is showing up in the device manager, but it's saying that it hasn't been initialized, is that a driver issue? What's going on?

Thanks. 
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 05, 2009, 08:40:31 AM
Right click on the new hard drive and initialize the drive or quick format it and assign it a letter and you should be good to go (I think)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 05, 2009, 08:44:32 AM
I just bought a WD 1TB 7200rpm 32MB cache internal for my desktop. It's not showing up in Windows explorer, it is showing up in the device manager, but it's saying that it hasn't been initialized, is that a driver issue? What's going on?

Thanks. 


1 Terabyte?

Wimp.  1.5 Tb or GTFO.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 05, 2009, 08:46:58 AM
I just bought a WD 1TB 7200rpm 32MB cache internal for my desktop. It's not showing up in Windows explorer, it is showing up in the device manager, but it's saying that it hasn't been initialized, is that a driver issue? What's going on?

Thanks. 
This should help you install it. (http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=608&sid=1&lang=en)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 05, 2009, 08:47:48 AM
Nothing on the WD site?

I was going to see if youse guys had an answer first.

Right click on the new hard drive and initialize the drive or quick format it and assign it a letter and you should be good to go (I think)

Right click where? In the Device Manager? It's not showing up in My Computer.

1 Terabyte?
Wimp.  1.5 Tb or GTFO.

But this one goes to 11.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 05, 2009, 08:51:14 AM
Dude, I bought the exact same drive and that program I posted the link to will help you set up the drive.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 05, 2009, 08:52:37 AM
I just downloaded the Life Guard. If it's anything like Hoff as a life guard, I know I'll be safe.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 05, 2009, 08:54:22 AM
I just downloaded the Life Guard. If it's anything like Hoff as a life guard, I know I'll be safe.
... or so the Germans would have us believe...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 05, 2009, 08:57:43 AM
Actually go to Admistrative Tools, then Computer Managment, then to Storage, then select Disk Management, and locate your new hard drive and Right Click it and follow the steps to initialize it
( For XP Pro)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on June 05, 2009, 09:03:24 AM
Can you downgrade a Vista computer to XP?

How would you do that?

I have had it with Vista.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 05, 2009, 09:05:03 AM
Can you downgrade a Vista computer to XP?

How would you do that?

I have had it with Vista.
You probably can't  "downgrade" strictly speaking, but you can reformat the hard drive and overwrite it with XP.  A lot of computers come out of the box with Vista, but you can install XP over that if you have an install disk.  You'd want to back up your files to an external source first, of course.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 05, 2009, 09:05:47 AM
1 Terabyte?
Wimp.  1.5 Tb or GTFO.
But this one goes to 11.

So?  How is that any better than 10?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on June 05, 2009, 09:09:07 AM
Can you downgrade a Vista computer to XP?

How would you do that?

I have had it with Vista.
You probably can't  "downgrade" strictly speaking, but you can reformat the hard drive and overwrite it with XP.  A lot of computers come out of the box with Vista, but you can install XP over that if you have an install disk.  You'd want to back up your files to an external source first, of course.

Is there an option in the control panel for reformatting the hard drive?

After I replace my broken Tv I think I will buy a copy of XP,my dad's old XP computer has always worked so much better then my year old Vista ever has.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 05, 2009, 09:09:44 AM
Downgrading from Vista to XP requires reformatting
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 05, 2009, 09:11:06 AM
1 Terabyte?
Wimp.  1.5 Tb or GTFO.
But this one goes to 11.
So?  How is that any better than 10?

Well. You see, it's 11.
Actually go to Admistrative Tools, then Computer Managment, then to Storage, then select Disk Management, and locate your new hard drive and Right Click it and follow the steps to initialize it
( For XP Pro)

I'll try that if my pooter comes back up. I'm on my laptop, my desktop had a bit of a crash and now it doesn't want to come back up.

If the computer is like 4 years old, would it not be capable of handling the TB?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 05, 2009, 09:15:22 AM
Pooters back. I unhooked the TB. Seems to be fine. I don't think it's anything wrong with the TB though.

Just what the fuck, I ask you. What the fuck indeed.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 05, 2009, 09:18:56 AM
It should be able to handle a TB just fine..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 05, 2009, 09:21:27 AM
Well crap.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 05, 2009, 09:26:54 AM
Can you downgrade a Vista computer to XP?

How would you do that?

I have had it with Vista.
You probably can't  "downgrade" strictly speaking, but you can reformat the hard drive and overwrite it with XP.  A lot of computers come out of the box with Vista, but you can install XP over that if you have an install disk.  You'd want to back up your files to an external source first, of course.

Is there an option in the control panel for reformatting the hard drive?

After I replace my broken Tv I think I will buy a copy of XP,my dad's old XP computer has always worked so much better then my year old Vista ever has.

No there's really no reformatting required.  In fact, Windows won't let you do a reformat of any hard drive or hard drive partition that has Window installed on it while Windows is running.  It couldn't do that, by definition.  It would be like rebuilding a car's transmission while you're still driving it.

Blowing away all the technical smoke; the reformat is done from the Windows installation CD.  You boot off the CD and Windows walks you through a pretty straightforward set of steps that starts the installation process.  It wipes the hard drive clean, then overwrites the Vista install with XP.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 05, 2009, 09:46:43 AM
Wait so you're computer won't run while the 1TB drive is hooked up to it?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 05, 2009, 11:14:00 AM
Wait so you're computer won't run while the 1TB drive is hooked up to it?

It locked up. I tried a soft reboot but ended up holding the power button. Then windows wouldn't come back. I unhooked the drive and now it seems to be working. I'm gonna try a few more things.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 05, 2009, 11:22:17 AM
How many other hard drives do you have in that thing? XP can handle up to 2TB max.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 05, 2009, 11:53:51 AM
I had to go out and get a molex to SATA cable (I only had two so I tried unhooking the one for my DVD ROM drive and using it for the TB), then I used the lifeguard and now it works!

Thanks Carp, you're the dudest.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 05, 2009, 12:12:40 PM
You sure about that JC??

Mine currently has 2.5 TB and had 3 TB at one time and XP worked just fine ..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 05, 2009, 12:19:43 PM
You sure about that JC??

Mine currently has 2.5 TB and had 3 TB at one time and XP worked just fine ..
I'm about 98% sure.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 05, 2009, 12:33:12 PM
AH HA!
So I fall in that 2 percent range then :highfive:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 05, 2009, 12:37:58 PM
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/storage/getstorfacts.mspx
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 05, 2009, 07:00:00 PM
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/storage/getstorfacts.mspx

That says a single "volume" has a maximum size of 2 Tb.  What the heck is a "volume"? 
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 05, 2009, 07:08:34 PM
I decided to get this power supply (http://www.directron.com/cu600b.html).

I also realized it was time to soup up my processor.  With all the video editing I've been doing lately, my processor constantly spikes to 100%.  I went with this thing, which I hope works (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115055).  I mean, I'm pretty sure I did a search for socket AM2 processors.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 05, 2009, 07:15:55 PM
I decided to get this power supply (http://www.directron.com/cu600b.html).

I also realized it was time to soup up my processor.  With all the video editing I've been doing lately, my processor constantly spikes to 100%.  I went with this thing, which I hope works (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115055).  I mean, I'm pretty sure I did a search for socket AM2 processors.

Shit... That aint gonna work.  I need an AMD.  How did I end up with that?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on June 05, 2009, 07:51:03 PM
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/storage/getstorfacts.mspx

That says a single "volume" has a maximum size of 2 Tb.  What the heck is a "volume"? 

In simple terms: volume = hard drive.

though sometimes, especially when you buy from companies like Dell, they usually partition about 10 gb of the main hard drive to install a utility partition, which is basically like a system restore.  I myself took a 500gb drive and partitioned about 50gb just to run the OS and basic programs.  My auxiliary drives(and the extra partition) i use for installing games and storing files. 
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 06, 2009, 04:38:02 AM
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/storage/getstorfacts.mspx

That says a single "volume" has a maximum size of 2 Tb.  What the heck is a "volume"? 

In simple terms: volume = hard drive.

though sometimes, especially when you buy from companies like Dell, they usually partition about 10 gb of the main hard drive to install a utility partition, which is basically like a system restore.  I myself took a 500gb drive and partitioned about 50gb just to run the OS and basic programs.  My auxiliary drives(and the extra partition) i use for installing games and storing files. 

So it sounds like you could still put multiple physical hard drives in there.  I don't think I've seen individual hard drives come higher than 2 Tb anyway.  I bought a 1.5 Tb a few months ago because it was the largest I could find that didn't cost an arm and a leg.  My motherboard has 4 SATA sockets on it, so I could, if I felt like it, scale up as high as 6 Tb across 4 hard drives.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on June 07, 2009, 09:48:47 PM
1 Terabyte?
Wimp.  1.5 Tb or GTFO.
But this one goes to 11.

So?  How is that any better than 10?

Well, that's one more, innit?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on June 08, 2009, 12:06:33 AM
About 5 months ago, i bought a new video card, and a fairly decent one at that. A ATI Radeon HD 4670 1 GB DDR3 card. Overall, an very nice card with awesome performance.  However, a real big problem with the card is the GPU fan.  The first one i purchased had fan problems that first surfaced 2 weeks afer i purchased it, and got progressively worse.  Random stutters, a weird grinding sounds that resembled a weed-eater.  I took the card back, and got a replacement.  Everything was fine until about a couple weeks ago.  Not so much weed-eater sounds but more random clattering, like a bicycle wheel with a card in the spokes.  I tried everything i could imagine, taking apart the fan housing, deep-cleaning it and the heat sink, but the problem persisted and became quite annoying and a distraction for whatever i was watching or playing.  So yesterday, i said "fuck it" and armed with extra fans from a friends computer part cache, some thermal compound, and a hot glue-gun, i rigged the goddamn thing.

here is the result;


hot glued directly to the position of the old fan, and plugged into a empty IDE slot on my power supply.  Even though it lacks elegance, it is surprisingly more efficient.  I've noticed a 20 degree drop in GPU temperature, from a average temperature of 75 C, to 55 C.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/IMAG0003-1.jpg)

and this is the crappy fan that isn't worth a damn, and my feelings made extremely clear in the photo.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/IMAG0007.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 08, 2009, 04:49:04 AM
1 Terabyte?
Wimp.  1.5 Tb or GTFO.
But this one goes to 11.

So?  How is that any better than 10?

Well, that's one more, innit?

Yeah, das one more. 11 this one goes to.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 08, 2009, 05:36:24 AM
About 5 months ago, i bought a new video card, and a fairly decent one at that. A ATI Radeon HD 4670 1 GB DDR3 card. Overall, an very nice card with awesome performance.  However, a real big problem with the card is the GPU fan.  The first one i purchased had fan problems that first surfaced 2 weeks afer i purchased it, and got progressively worse.  Random stutters, a weird grinding sounds that resembled a weed-eater.  I took the card back, and got a replacement.  Everything was fine until about a couple weeks ago.  Not so much weed-eater sounds but more random clattering, like a bicycle wheel with a card in the spokes.  I tried everything i could imagine, taking apart the fan housing, deep-cleaning it and the heat sink, but the problem persisted and became quite annoying and a distraction for whatever i was watching or playing.  So yesterday, i said "fuck it" and armed with extra fans from a friends computer part cache, some thermal compound, and a hot glue-gun, i rigged the goddamn thing.

here is the result;


hot glued directly to the position of the old fan, and plugged into a empty IDE slot on my power supply.  Even though it lacks elegance, it is surprisingly more efficient.  I've noticed a 20 degree drop in GPU temperature, from a average temperature of 75 C, to 55 C.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/IMAG0003-1.jpg)

and this is the crappy fan that isn't worth a damn, and my feelings made extremely clear in the photo.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/IMAG0007.jpg)
:D :D
Functionality works with me as well! :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 08, 2009, 08:05:38 PM
I got the incompatible processor today, got the RMA printed out and prepared it for return.

An hour later, I ordered one of these (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103291).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 09, 2009, 04:49:49 PM
First post from the nu pooter! god damn this girl is fast!!!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 09, 2009, 05:31:06 PM

It'll get reemed out the more you poot from it :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 10, 2009, 09:37:37 AM
:D :D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on June 12, 2009, 11:05:57 AM
Well, someone up there must have known I was about to deposit my commission check this weekend because Pak's computer has gone down again. Ironically, it's acting the same way it did before the huge, monster repairs done on it last year. Joy. Adding insult to injury is the fact that the repair shop is closed until August for some stupid reason. We'd take it to another, but we need any warranties from them that might be coming our way.

Anyway, just letting the forum know on Pak's behalf in case anyone wonders why he isn't posting as much as usual. I can still do it from work, so......
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 12, 2009, 11:13:41 AM
How old is the computer?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 12, 2009, 11:34:05 AM
Sounds to me like they did some shoty work..

To have the same symptoms before the crash tells me they just 'patched it up'..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on June 12, 2009, 11:55:05 AM
How old is the computer?

Roughly 2 years old. Got it from Cyber Power. I'm a bit iffy about having them build me one now.

Sounds to me like they did some shoty work..

To have the same symptoms before the crash tells me they just 'patched it up'..

  Well, what happened is the liquid cooling system failed, so the machine overheated enough to fry the motherboard and damage the CPU. Those got replaced along with the cooling system. That it's acting like this again tells me that either the system has failed again or something else is causing it to overheat. Pak says the fan is turning for the system so we're not sure what it could be (another, out of sight fan maybe?).

  His is one of those steroid gaming machines in perpetual overclocked status.  :P

Any reccomendations for a machine we can buy relatively cheaply and easily from a retail chain? I've been without a machine myself for over a year now anyway and we need something to stand in (especially for Rifftrax!) until August and as backup for times like this.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 12, 2009, 01:23:17 PM
Sounds to me like they did some shoty work..

To have the same symptoms before the crash tells me they just 'patched it up'..

  Well, what happened is the liquid cooling system failed, so the machine overheated enough to fry the motherboard and damage the CPU. Those got replaced along with the cooling system. That it's acting like this again tells me that either the system has failed again or something else is causing it to overheat. Pak says the fan is turning for the system so we're not sure what it could be (another, out of sight fan maybe?).

  His is one of those steroid gaming machines in perpetual overclocked status.  :P

Any reccomendations for a machine we can buy relatively cheaply and easily from a retail chain? I've been without a machine myself for over a year now anyway and we need something to stand in (especially for Rifftrax!) until August and as backup for times like this.
Ah..

I don't have access to the sites I'm used to while in Mexico.. :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on June 12, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
Any reccomendations for a machine we can buy relatively cheaply and easily from a retail chain? I've been without a machine myself for over a year now anyway and we need something to stand in (especially for Rifftrax!) until August and as backup for times like this.
Ah..

I don't have access to the sites I'm used to while in Mexico.. :-[

That's alright. I just don't want to get stuck with a machine that's going to break if I look at it funny, or a machine with a factory defect or cheap ass part that causes permanent death to the whole system should it fail (which is how my machine died last year. Stupid E-Machines).

Everything I'm reading online seems to average out Dells and Compaqs as being semi-reliable.  :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 12, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
Yeah, if you don't want to go through the hassle of building one, between the 2 choices, go with Dell.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on June 15, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
My internet has been slowed to a craw because Vista will not stop trying to update it's self with huge files every time I go on line and I can't find any way to turn the updates off.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tyrant on June 15, 2009, 11:25:46 AM
Well, now Pak's computer has righted itself for the time being. We don't know if it was just a fluke or what so we're keeping an eye on it.  :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 15, 2009, 11:52:45 AM
Well, now Pak's computer has righted itself for the time being. We don't know if it was just a fluke or what so we're keeping an eye on it.  :P
DTI (Don't Trust It) >:D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on June 15, 2009, 09:01:18 PM
My internet has been slowed to a craw because Vista will not stop trying to update it's self with huge files every time I go on line and I can't find any way to turn the updates off.

Open the start menu go to All Programs, and you will see a list of Windows Programs, click "Windows Update", click on "change settings" in the corner menu, and check the "don't check for updates" box.  That should be it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on June 16, 2009, 09:21:22 AM
It worked!

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 16, 2009, 09:50:50 AM
Feh.  Turns out flashing the BIOS is an extremely bad idea.  I installed some sort of BIOS that can't handle the wattage of my processor.  I can't boot to Windows.  To make matters worse, something is wrong with the floppy disk controller and I cannot install a new BIOS.  So I essentially bricked my PC by ruining the mother board.

The upside is that the CPU, memory, hard drive, power supply, video card, and DVD drive are all fine, so I don't need to worry about any of that stuff.  Downside, of course, is that it will take hours to replace the mother board and about 80 dollars for parts.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 16, 2009, 11:25:39 AM
Feh.  Turns out flashing the BIOS is an extremely bad idea.  I installed some sort of BIOS that can't handle the wattage of my processor.  I can't boot to Windows.  To make matters worse, something is wrong with the floppy disk controller and I cannot install a new BIOS.  So I essentially bricked my PC by ruining the mother board.

The upside is that the CPU, memory, hard drive, power supply, video card, and DVD drive are all fine, so I don't need to worry about any of that stuff.  Downside, of course, is that it will take hours to replace the mother board and about 80 dollars for parts.

Ouch, really bad when the bios gets corrupted so bad you can't boot to reflash the bios back.

One reason I like Gygabyte motherboards, they use 2 bios chips, so if you mess up the bios you can get back quickly. 

Just spent a good 12 hours upgrading my PC, changed so much hardware that XP would reboot when it got to the drivers, had so many programs installed I really didn't want to start over clean, so after a lot of attempts at tricking it into booting I finally got the install disk to say there was a corrupted install and it did a repair.  Of course that reverted a lot of stuff back to service pack 2, so it took several more hours to get stuff back to where it was before.  All just to get a better video card to drive the new monitor I got, I had one of the last AGP motherboards and could not get a fast enough AGP card to run 1920x1200 at a reasonable speed.  Been putting off several DVD reauthers, that will be the test if the extra faster ram and processor are really any faster, so far I'm not noticing much difference between the Pentium 4 at 2.6GHz and the Core 2 duo at 3GHz...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 16, 2009, 11:40:17 AM
I've flashed the BIOS Twice in my existance; both times 0-2..

I get a professional to do this from now on
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 16, 2009, 12:05:25 PM
I've flashed the BIOS Twice in my existance; both times 0-2..

I've done quite a few without problems, but I always check multiple times to make sure the bios is the exact one for the board, and just as important is the installer program, most installers will bail if they see the wrong hardware but if it doesn't you're in trouble.

Also put a LG combo HD-DVD and Blu-Ray drive in with my new MB.  No way the rifftrax player would work with BD, the file system on a BD movie disk doesn't even show up in explorer.

Got suckered by Nero, should not have paid for the upgrade to version 9, they go on and on about HDTV and high def video so I assumed it would play Blu-Ray disks, but it doesn't (only hi-def video files), the cyberlink player that came with the drive isn't as good as the nero player but at least it plays the BD disks (after a 90MB patch download).  Popped in Wall-E, with the tiny pixels on the 24" monitor the detail is amazing.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 16, 2009, 12:24:12 PM
I've flashed the BIOS Twice in my existance; both times 0-2..

I get a professional to do this from now on

Good idea.  I should do the same.

*checks his resume*

Looks like I am a professional.  Oh shit.

At any rate, I want this fixed pronto because, well, I'm addicted to my computer.  Also, I really super duper want to be ready for The Room when it gets released.   So, seeing as you can't buy motherboards at any brick-and-mortar stores anywhere, I had to go to trusty old Newegg.  Then I sprang for rush processing and UPS overnight shipping for an extra 19 bucks or so.  Placed the order about 8:00 PM yesterday; should be here by tommorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 16, 2009, 01:03:15 PM
Well I'm semi-professional but I know my limits..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on June 16, 2009, 07:52:27 PM
I've flashed the BIOS Twice in my existance; both times 0-2..

I get a professional to do this from now on

Good idea.  I should do the same.

*checks his resume*

Looks like I am a professional.  Oh shit.

At any rate, I want this fixed pronto because, well, I'm addicted to my computer.  Also, I really super duper want to be ready for The Room when it gets released.   So, seeing as you can't buy motherboards at any brick-and-mortar stores anywhere, I had to go to trusty old Newegg.  Then I sprang for rush processing and UPS overnight shipping for an extra 19 bucks or so.  Placed the order about 8:00 PM yesterday; should be here by tommorrow afternoon.

So no Fry's or Micro Center stores in your area, then? Those guys have deals on motherboards (and mb/cpu combos) all the time.

But Newegg is pretty good for that sort of thing, too.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on June 17, 2009, 07:54:44 AM
I've flashed the BIOS Twice in my existance; both times 0-2..

I get a professional to do this from now on

Good idea.  I should do the same.

*checks his resume*

Looks like I am a professional.  Oh shit.

At any rate, I want this fixed pronto because, well, I'm addicted to my computer.  Also, I really super duper want to be ready for The Room when it gets released.   So, seeing as you can't buy motherboards at any brick-and-mortar stores anywhere, I had to go to trusty old Newegg.  Then I sprang for rush processing and UPS overnight shipping for an extra 19 bucks or so.  Placed the order about 8:00 PM yesterday; should be here by tommorrow afternoon.

So no Fry's or Micro Center stores in your area, then? Those guys have deals on motherboards (and mb/cpu combos) all the time.

But Newegg is pretty good for that sort of thing, too.

I've never heard of Microcenter before.  Fry's I think is a west coast chain, and I live in Delaware.  There used to be a few stores like that; I vaguely recall going to CompUSA with my father back in the 90s.  I still remember how much our minds were blown when we picked up that 5 Gb hard drive. GIGA bytes!  Wow!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 17, 2009, 09:16:31 AM
I've flashed the BIOS Twice in my existance; both times 0-2..

I get a professional to do this from now on

Good idea.  I should do the same.

*checks his resume*

Looks like I am a professional.  Oh shit.

At any rate, I want this fixed pronto because, well, I'm addicted to my computer.  Also, I really super duper want to be ready for The Room when it gets released.   So, seeing as you can't buy motherboards at any brick-and-mortar stores anywhere, I had to go to trusty old Newegg.  Then I sprang for rush processing and UPS overnight shipping for an extra 19 bucks or so.  Placed the order about 8:00 PM yesterday; should be here by tommorrow afternoon.

So no Fry's or Micro Center stores in your area, then? Those guys have deals on motherboards (and mb/cpu combos) all the time.

But Newegg is pretty good for that sort of thing, too.

I've never heard of Microcenter before.  Fry's I think is a west coast chain, and I live in Delaware.  There used to be a few stores like that; I vaguely recall going to CompUSA with my father back in the 90s.  I still remember how much our minds were blown when we picked up that 5 Gb hard drive. GIGA bytes!  Wow!

If you are in northern Delaware there's a Microcenter not far away, it's in St. Davids, near the intersection of 476 and route 30.  Great store, got my last upgrade parts there, this time I ordered everything online..

I used to go to the CompUSA on 202 near Wilmington a lot, back when it was worth it to drive 20 minutes to save the tax...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 22, 2009, 09:34:30 AM
Hey I'm trying to set up a dual monitor rig here with Win XP, a VGA splitter and two 32in LCD TVs. I go to properties, set up the second monitor, check the box that says "extend my desktop to this monitor" and then hit Apply, it does nothing. It just unchecks the extend box. I've got a picture on the second monitor, it's just the same as on monitor 1.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 22, 2009, 11:03:32 AM
Try plugging in the monitor isn't getting recognized by windows in the main input. See if you can add hardware. Tell me if either of those work, if not I'll see if I can think up anything else.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 22, 2009, 12:17:07 PM
Hey I'm trying to set up a dual monitor rig here with Win XP, a VGA splitter and two 32in LCD TVs. I go to properties, set up the second monitor, check the box that says "extend my desktop to this monitor" and then hit Apply, it does nothing. It just unchecks the extend box. I've got a picture on the second monitor, it's just the same as on monitor 1.

What kind of VGA splitter?  If it's just a VGA Y cable then all you will get is the same picture on both monitors.   Does your video card support 2 monitors?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 22, 2009, 12:47:48 PM
I totally missed the vga splitter part. Yeah, if that's the case it's not going to work if it's going out one spot in the back.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on June 22, 2009, 01:33:59 PM
OK so I have a bunch of usb ports on my computer but only one of them seems to register in put from my mic. I used to know how to reassign a port (or open an additional one) but I can't remember how.

Anyone know, right now the one that works is on the front and I was hoping, for neatness sake to activate one at the back.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 22, 2009, 02:23:17 PM
Aw crap! Looks like I'm buying a new graphics card.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 22, 2009, 02:25:26 PM
Aw crap! Looks like I'm buying a new graphics card.
If you need pointed in the right direction give me as much info as you can on what you have, what you're looking for, and a price range.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 22, 2009, 02:53:05 PM
Thanks Carp, this is my new desktop (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631267&CatId=2630) into which the new card will be going. I'm not a PC gamer, but I do think I'd like to get on The Old Republic when it comes out. I'd like to keep it under 150USD if possible.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on June 22, 2009, 04:38:52 PM
OK so I have a bunch of usb ports on my computer but only one of them seems to register in put from my mic. I used to know how to reassign a port (or open an additional one) but I can't remember how.

Anyone know, right now the one that works is on the front and I was hoping, for neatness sake to activate one at the back.

How old is your computer? Some USB 1.1 ports don't supply power (or, like mine, some USB 2.0 ports just STOP providing it  :grr:).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on June 22, 2009, 06:02:10 PM
About four years old.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 22, 2009, 07:35:28 PM
Thanks Carp, this is my new desktop (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631267&CatId=2630) into which the new card will be going. I'm not a PC gamer, but I do think I'd like to get on The Old Republic when it comes out. I'd like to keep it under 150USD if possible.

Looking at the picture of the inside of that tower I'm not sure how much room there is for a new graphics card, most of the new cards are fairly long...

I just upgraded my PC and went with a GTS 250 card, enough power to run my RC plane/heli simulators at 1920x1200, you've got the PCIe-16 slot for it but not sure about the room...  You'll probably had to open the case and get a ruler in there, then check the specs on the card you want to buy.

Reading more it says that the on-board video supports dual monitors, did you get a DVI splitter, the Dells we have a work come with dual monitor support through a single DVI port, but you would need a couple of DVI to VGA adapters. 

Or maybe you can use the 2 ports for 2 monitors?  VGA port for one and use a DVI to VGA adapter plug on the DVI port for the other monitor.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 22, 2009, 07:44:58 PM
OK so I have a bunch of usb ports on my computer but only one of them seems to register in put from my mic. I used to know how to reassign a port (or open an additional one) but I can't remember how.

Anyone know, right now the one that works is on the front and I was hoping, for neatness sake to activate one at the back.

How old is your computer? Some USB 1.1 ports don't supply power (or, like mine, some USB 2.0 ports just STOP providing it  :grr:).

Sometimes a lot of the extra ports on PCs are off a built in low power hub, so they only supply a small amount of power.

It's like getting a hub and not plugging in the power supply, all the ports will work but only at low power (20mA usually), plug something in that needs the full 100mA USB 2.0 is specified for and it will not work until you plug in the power supply for the hub.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 22, 2009, 08:12:04 PM
Thanks Carp, this is my new desktop (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631267&CatId=2630) into which the new card will be going. I'm not a PC gamer, but I do think I'd like to get on The Old Republic when it comes out. I'd like to keep it under 150USD if possible.

Looking at the picture of the inside of that tower I'm not sure how much room there is for a new graphics card, most of the new cards are fairly long...

I just upgraded my PC and went with a GTS 250 card, enough power to run my RC plane/heli simulators at 1920x1200, you've got the PCIe-16 slot for it but not sure about the room...  You'll probably had to open the case and get a ruler in there, then check the specs on the card you want to buy.

Reading more it says that the on-board video supports dual monitors, did you get a DVI splitter, the Dells we have a work come with dual monitor support through a single DVI port, but you would need a couple of DVI to VGA adapters. 

Or maybe you can use the 2 ports for 2 monitors?  VGA port for one and use a DVI to VGA adapter plug on the DVI port for the other monitor.

Later,
 Marty

Thanks Marty, so if I get one of these...
(http://images.tigerdirect.com/SkuImages/gallery/large/P450-9616-13.jpg)
and patch it to the second monitor it should, emphasis on should, work?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 22, 2009, 10:37:07 PM
Thanks Carp, this is my new desktop (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631267&CatId=2630) into which the new card will be going. I'm not a PC gamer, but I do think I'd like to get on The Old Republic when it comes out. I'd like to keep it under 150USD if possible.

Looking at the picture of the inside of that tower I'm not sure how much room there is for a new graphics card, most of the new cards are fairly long...

I just upgraded my PC and went with a GTS 250 card, enough power to run my RC plane/heli simulators at 1920x1200, you've got the PCIe-16 slot for it but not sure about the room...  You'll probably had to open the case and get a ruler in there, then check the specs on the card you want to buy.

Reading more it says that the on-board video supports dual monitors, did you get a DVI splitter, the Dells we have a work come with dual monitor support through a single DVI port, but you would need a couple of DVI to VGA adapters. 

Or maybe you can use the 2 ports for 2 monitors?  VGA port for one and use a DVI to VGA adapter plug on the DVI port for the other monitor.

Later,
 Marty

Thanks Marty, so if I get one of these...
(http://images.tigerdirect.com/SkuImages/gallery/large/P450-9616-13.jpg)
and patch it to the second monitor it should, emphasis on should, work?

Yes, that's what you need to plug a VGA monitor into the DVI port.  It seems from the description of the computer that you can do dual monitor that way.

But there's a chance that DVI port is dual, so you'd need a  DVI Analog Male to 2 VGA Female Y Cable.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 22, 2009, 10:42:06 PM
Yes, that's what you need to plug a VGA monitor into the DVI port.  It seems from the description of the computer that you can do dual monitor that way.
I didn't even look at the specs and the picture of the back. I guess he could try that out and possibly save himself $100-150 until he wants to get a new card for playing Knights of the Old Republic.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 22, 2009, 11:02:03 PM
Yes, that's what you need to plug a VGA monitor into the DVI port.  It seems from the description of the computer that you can do dual monitor that way.
I didn't even look at the specs and the picture of the back. I guess he could try that out and possibly save himself $100-150 until he wants to get a new card for playing Knights of the Old Republic.

Would you recommend that I get one to play it?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on June 23, 2009, 05:31:55 AM
OK so I have a bunch of usb ports on my computer but only one of them seems to register in put from my mic. I used to know how to reassign a port (or open an additional one) but I can't remember how.

Anyone know, right now the one that works is on the front and I was hoping, for neatness sake to activate one at the back.

How old is your computer? Some USB 1.1 ports don't supply power (or, like mine, some USB 2.0 ports just STOP providing it  :grr:).

Sometimes a lot of the extra ports on PCs are off a built in low power hub, so they only supply a small amount of power.

It's like getting a hub and not plugging in the power supply, all the ports will work but only at low power (20mA usually), plug something in that needs the full 100mA USB 2.0 is specified for and it will not work until you plug in the power supply for the hub.

Wait a mo, it's obviously supplying power, it's just not taking the information supplied by the peripheral (the power light is on and it's doing something but not what I want it to, i.e. actually transmitting the sound).

Actually though, I was thinking about it last night; I'll probably go with the port I usually use anyway since I'm rearranging where I put my copy and mic for recording purposes.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 23, 2009, 08:55:38 AM
Oh for crying out loud. I went out and bought a DVI to VGA, and it's got four little pins, two above and two below the horizontal connection on the left. My input on the computer has no slots for these pins. Anyone know what that's all about?

Four pins...
(http://images.tigerdirect.com/SkuImages/gallery/large/P450-9616-13.jpg)

No space for them...
(http://images.tigerdirect.com/SkuImages/gallery/large/H24-1078-10.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 23, 2009, 08:58:45 AM
I think you got the wrong adapter..  ???

Mine doesn't have those 4 pins.. :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 23, 2009, 09:20:56 AM
Wow, so apparently what I have is DVI-D, and the retailer I go to doesn't sell them, but I know someone who does!

Oh eBay, is there anything you don't have? *swoon*
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 23, 2009, 11:23:21 AM
Wow, so apparently what I have is DVI-D, and the retailer I go to doesn't sell them, but I know someone who does!

Oh eBay, is there anything you don't have? *swoon*

Crazy, I didn't know there were so many different (and incompatible) DVI connectors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 30, 2009, 11:34:20 AM
Oh for the love of Xenu...

I finally got the proper DVI to VGA connector and it's still telling me a big fat NO!!! Cripes...I guess I'll just buy a new card...any suggestions out there for this computer (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631267&CatId=2630)?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 30, 2009, 11:40:15 AM
Oh for the love of Xenu...

I finally got the proper DVI to VGA connector and it's still telling me a big fat NO!!! Cripes...I guess I'll just buy a new card...any suggestions out there for this computer (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631267&CatId=2630)?
Have you called their 800 number and talked to one of their tech reps??

Tiger Direct's tech people were pretty knowledgable (or they were a few years ago).. See what they recommend that best suits your setup :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 30, 2009, 11:43:59 AM
Yeah, or I could just be lazy and ask you guys.

But I probably should call.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 30, 2009, 11:46:57 AM
Yeah, or I could just be lazy and ask you guys.

But I probably should call.
Well, they know your setup better than we do, and we might recommend something that may conflict with something on your setup..

Then you'd be even more disgrunteled :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 30, 2009, 11:50:06 AM
I've found that I'm not really that happy unless I'm disgruntled about something...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 30, 2009, 11:52:03 AM
I've found that I'm not really that happy unless I'm disgruntled about something...
Ah Good..
Go back to the shooting range then and see how well you do this time round :D :D :scared:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2009, 11:52:16 AM
Yeah, or I could just be lazy and ask you guys.

But I probably should call.

Yea, the description for the PC clearly says it should be able to do dual monitor.   So I would call them and find out how.

Do you get a picture using the DVI to VGA connector?  Just wondering if it was the adapter that didn't work.  Are you still getting the same image on both the DVI and VGA ports?  Maybe there's a bios setting that needs to be set up in order to activate different displays on the 2 ports.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 30, 2009, 11:57:31 AM
1. Do you get a picture using the DVI to VGA connector?   

2. Are you still getting the same image on both the DVI and VGA ports?  

3. Maybe there's a bios setting that needs to be set up in order to activate different displays on the 2 ports.

1. I get nothing from the DVI port that's hooked up to the second monitor.

2. No, that was only with the Y splitter that I bought.

3. I should probably google that, yeah?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on June 30, 2009, 12:04:17 PM
I've found that I'm not really that happy unless I'm disgruntled about something...
Ah Good..
Go back to the shooting range then and see how well you do this time round :D :D :scared:

Ya know, come to think of it, I was pretty calm that day. Maybe I need to be all pissed off to shoot well.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on June 30, 2009, 12:14:06 PM
I've found that I'm not really that happy unless I'm disgruntled about something...
Ah Good..
Go back to the shooting range then and see how well you do this time round :D :D :scared:

Ya know, come to think of it, I was pretty calm that day. Maybe I need to be all pissed off to shoot well.
There ya go..
Your shooting range isn't near South Carolina, right? Good :speechless:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2009, 12:32:00 PM
1. Do you get a picture using the DVI to VGA connector?   

2. Are you still getting the same image on both the DVI and VGA ports?  

3. Maybe there's a bios setting that needs to be set up in order to activate different displays on the 2 ports.

1. I get nothing from the DVI port that's hooked up to the second monitor.

2. No, that was only with the Y splitter that I bought.

3. I should probably google that, yeah?

For #1 that's not a good sign, either the port is pure digital so the VGA adapter has no usable signals or it's not enabled in the BIOS.  If it's pure digital then you're only other option might be a DVI to HDMI adapter and use an HDMI cable to go to one of the HDTVs (I think you said you were using 2 HDTVs for monitors).   This is where calling someone that knows about the specific hardware would help.  ;)

#3: BIOS is the basic control software for the motherboard.  When you boot up there should be a message saying something like "press F1 to enter setup"  Or DEL or F2...  Or I've also seen press some key for boot options.  It's usually on the same screen as the logo (HP in your case).  Sometimes it's so quick you don't have much time to press it.  Have to be careful with the settings, can mess up things if you don't know what you are looking for.


Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2009, 07:02:58 PM
I got my 3+ year old cable modem replaced today and noticed right off the bat my download speeds have increased substantially but my upload speeds are still average..

I went to this site www.speakeasy.net/speedtest and selected Atlanta, Ga (cause it's the closest to me) to test my internet speeds and have the following results:

Download: 4931 Kbps
Upload: 495 Kbps
 :o

I thought I was doing well till a friend of mine emailed me his results on his Mac..

Download: 7863 Kbps
Upload : 940 Kbps
 :speechless:

I'm waiting for him to tell me What In The Hell He's Using for a modem and router to get those kinds of speeds?! :grr:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 08, 2009, 08:22:18 AM
Hey, that's way better than my 643 down/315 up speed. But I'm using the cheapest DSL AT&T has, so I'm not at all surprised.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 08, 2009, 08:40:41 AM
Hey, that's way better than my 643 down/315 up speed. But I'm using the cheapest DSL AT&T has, so I'm not at all surprised.
I think mine was originally around that range before it was replaced, but I wanna know How my friend just a couple miles away is getting those High Numbers  :o

EDIT: I figured it out..

I called our internet service provider and sure enough, they offer 3 levels of Broadband service..

5 x 512 (which I had) @ $44.95/mo
7 x 768 @ $59.95/mo
9 x 1 @ $99.95/mo

I went ahead and upgraded to the 9 x 1 for now to test it out..

Not Once during any of the times I called them, or when they came out over the last few years to fix my issues did any of them mention that there were 3 options available!

I told the rep just now that it might be beneficial if the techs at least mention the other options are available just so they know.. ::)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on July 09, 2009, 12:53:30 PM
*aggravated sigh*

So I went out and bought this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121259) to try and solve my dual monitor problem. I shut down my computer. I unplugged it. I put the card in the PCI Express slot and turned my computer back on. I waited for the "found new hardware" wizard. Nothing. Fine. I put in the driver CD and installed everything. It asked me to restart my computer. Fine. When it comes back on, nothing. I then installed the Utilities Doctor application from the driver CD. It asks me to restart my computer. Fine. This time, I got a little error message that says "Cannot find ASUS Graphics Card". I went into my Device manager and sure enough it isn't there.

Do I need to unplug something from the other card that's integrated into the motherboard or something?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 09, 2009, 12:58:25 PM
Did you go into your BIOS and turn off your onboard video and set it for your PCIe video graphics card?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on July 09, 2009, 01:01:27 PM
Nooooooooooooooooo...

That would be when I start up my pooter and it says "hit this" for set up, type thing?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 09, 2009, 01:03:09 PM
Nooooooooooooooooo...

That would be when I start up my pooter and it says "hit this" for set up, type thing?
Uh.. Yeppers..

Hit the delete button when you first start it up and keep tapping it till the BIOS screen comes up
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on July 09, 2009, 01:07:44 PM
I want to hit DEL? Because mine says CTRL+S for Set up.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 09, 2009, 01:10:04 PM
I want to hit DEL? Because mine says CTRL+S for Set up.
Ok.. There's different ways from different manufacturers so do as it tells you then..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on July 09, 2009, 01:11:50 PM
Thanks RVR.

I'm going in.

If I'm not back by dawn *wink*, call the President.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 09, 2009, 01:12:42 PM
Thanks RVR.

I'm going in.

If I'm not back by dawn *wink*, call the President.
Good Luck, Senor! :scared:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on July 09, 2009, 01:22:54 PM
I'm back. It didn't work. It took me to a DOS type screen with only four options. It allowed me to change the number of seconds that "Hit CTRL+S" would stay on the screen, and three other things I couldn't change. I don't think that was the BIOS menu.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 09, 2009, 01:25:18 PM
I'm back. It didn't work. It took me to a DOS type screen with only four options. It allowed me to change the number of seconds that "Hit CTRL+S" would stay on the screen, and three other things I couldn't change. I don't think that was the BIOS menu.
If I was you, I'd seriously consider taking to somebody that could do it for you real quick at their shop cause if you do get into the BIOS and you change something you're not supposed to, you could damage your motherboard..

No offense.. Just sayin.. :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on July 09, 2009, 01:27:15 PM
None taken. Thanks for your help anyway.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 09, 2009, 01:31:31 PM
None taken. Thanks for your help anyway.
I know a few places around here for something like that they'd just hook it up real quick, go into the BIOS, change the setting(s) that need changed, and hand it back to you in just a matter on minutes and won't charge but a few bucks, but that's round here..

I'm sure someone up in your neck of the woods could help you out with it like that..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on July 09, 2009, 01:35:23 PM
Yeah, I usually use a place called Pentatrode, no, Intatrode. What is that place called?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 09, 2009, 01:38:18 PM
Yeah, I usually use a place called Pentatrode, no, Intatrode. What is that place called?
Well, who ever they are, if they're reputable, just haul the pooter up there and tell them I'm trying to set up my dual monitors and to change the settings real quick..

If they're not A-holes, they should be able to do that while you wait..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on July 14, 2009, 12:56:59 PM
So, here's a BIOS question:

On my ASUS motherboard, the video card slot is AGP. In the BIOS, one of the options is "Graphics Aperture Size"; the options are 32Mb, 64Mb, 128Mb and 256Mb. What does this option mean, and what is the correct setting?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 14, 2009, 01:03:13 PM
If I remember correctly, it's to match up with your AGP video card..

If it's a 128mb video card, you'd select 128mb, etc. :-\

If you don't use a video card, the onboard video (32mb on yours) is usually selected by default..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on July 14, 2009, 01:10:22 PM
I thought it might be something like that. It was originally at the default setting of 32Mb, but my video card has 256Mb onboard, and I've had video problems, so I'm thinking that might be the issue. Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 14, 2009, 01:16:13 PM
I thought it might be something like that. It was originally at the default setting of 32Mb, but my video card has 256Mb onboard, and I've had video problems, so I'm thinking that might be the issue. Thanks.
Then that sounds like that's your issue. Hope that fixes it :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Jill74 on July 14, 2009, 08:44:10 PM
You got a great system RVR II!! I like it. But i was wondering what's your use of that terrabyt big of memory on your hard disk drive??

(http://storeyourpicture.com/images/signature_riffers.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 15, 2009, 04:23:25 AM
You got a great system RVR II!! I like it. But i was wondering what's your use of that terrabyt big of memory on your hard disk drive??

(http://storeyourpicture.com/images/signature_riffers.jpg)
To back up my precious MST3k collection along with other important vids and other important files 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on July 15, 2009, 09:56:57 AM
So, looks like I'm done with Windows 7 for now. A couple weeks ago, my motherboard fried up (I DID buy it used), so I bought a new one that is virtually identical (it only adds some alphabet soup to the model number, along with an on-board SATA controller and one more RAM slot). For some reason, Windows 7 just DID NOT LIKE this new motherboard, and I could not get it to stop blue-screening (I'd been using XP for years, so I am very unaccustomed to blue screens). So, our roommate got me a copy of Vista Home Premium, and it's running fine. Granted, Windows 7 is still in pre-release phase, so maybe the problem will be resolved when the retail version comes out, but since I need to get a new computer anyway, the point is probably moot.

p.s. If ASUS had any BIOS or driver files for this motherboard newer than 2006, this might not be such a problem.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 15, 2009, 10:03:16 AM
Wow! That Is Odd ???
I use ASUS mobo's in 2 of 3 powerful computers I built for my home/office with XP Pro; all with service pack 3 And Internet explorer 8 with no issues..

I did have to flash the BIOS on one of my ASUS boards cause I kept getting a bootup error with the quad core processor but after that, it was fine..

These newer OS's must have some compatability issues with the older boards :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on July 15, 2009, 10:05:31 AM
That's what I'm guessing.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 15, 2009, 10:10:35 AM
FYI....to those who read about my Antivirus 2009 encounter over in "RRRGGGHHH"....

I think it was this Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830) that did the trick....

It got that one under control and I can now run Malwarebytes and Avast with no problem.   :)

And the computer is running better, too.

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 15, 2009, 10:14:21 AM
FYI....to those who read about my Antivirus 2009 encounter over in "RRRGGGHHH"....

I think it was this Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830) that did the trick....

It got that one under control and I can now run Malwarebytes and Avast with no problem.   :)

And the computer is running better, too.


What antivirus software are (were) you using?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 15, 2009, 10:26:07 AM
FYI....to those who read about my Antivirus 2009 encounter over in "RRRGGGHHH"....

I think it was this Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830) that did the trick....

It got that one under control and I can now run Malwarebytes and Avast with no problem.   :)

And the computer is running better, too.


What antivirus software are (were) you using?
The two I mentioned - Malwarebytes and Avast.  I also have CCleaner.  Friend who has headed the IT departments of a couple of companies (until they were both bought and he was downsized) insists they're the best.

Did get a message from Avast that it did stop something just before the virus started it's crap - but I don't know why it couldn't stop it completely.  All the advice that I can see on the web now on how to get rid of this buggie (but couldn't see before because of hijacking) says that Malwarebytes should be able to deal with it on it's own. But since I couldn't get Safe Mode to work I was screwed until the Microsoft one.

If you know of any Freeware that you think is better, I'm all ears.   :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 15, 2009, 10:29:37 AM
Oh yeah.. I didn't recognize them :-[

Here's a free version from Trend Micro..
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/

But I've been using the paid version since 2004 and I'm Very Satisfied with this antivirus software 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 15, 2009, 10:35:58 AM
Thanks. I'll try it.  After this, too much is not enough.

Still want to wipe the computer sometime in the near future - I bought it used about two years ago.  That's why I was looking at those external hard drives.  Just move everything over.

Just like that I won't have to do it now.   :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 15, 2009, 01:53:25 PM
I think this thread's name could be changed to "Computers suck" and it would not be off topic at all.

Everyone's computers seem to be breaking down lately.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 15, 2009, 02:01:04 PM
I think this thread's name could be changed to "Computers suck" and it would not be off topic at all.

Everyone's computers seem to be breaking down lately.
More like 'Computer Issues'?? :o

I dunno.. This thread covers Everything; New computers, new builds, upgrades, break downs, viruses, etc.. :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 15, 2009, 06:54:11 PM
FYI....to those who read about my Antivirus 2009 encounter over in "RRRGGGHHH"....

I think it was this Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830) that did the trick....

It got that one under control and I can now run Malwarebytes and Avast with no problem.   :)

And the computer is running better, too.


My dad got that on his computer a while back, spent an evening on the phone getting rid of it, had to kill several processes using task manager to get malwarebytes access to the net so it could update itself, then malwarebytes was able to kill the damn thing.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 20, 2009, 10:06:02 AM
So . . . I found a 320 GB WD external hard drive for $20 on clearance at the local Target. This was a real score since my aging Iomega 120 GB drive has been threatening to 'splode for months now. The only thing is that my USB 2.0 ports on my computer are crap. Every time I try to plug something into them that's not something simple like a keyboard or mouse, the computer reboots. I got around this by plugging the HDD into an old 1.1 USB hub, but you can imagine how long it takes to move a video file this way. On top of that, it seems my Iomega drive has just given up in jealousy because every time I try to move a file now, it stops in the middle of copying and is no longer recognized by the computer.  :angry: I got a lot of stuff transferred, but there's still some files I'd like to have on there. I ordered a $7 ($14 with shipping) USB 2.0 PCI card from Newegg to see if that helps. I'd love to just get a new computer altogether and say the hell with it, but $400 or $500 (yes, a PC that cheap would be a vast improvement) just isn't in the budget right now.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2009, 10:12:25 AM
the 2.0 PCI card should help.. IF theirs no issues with your computer recognizing it (sounds like yours might experience this - lets hope not) :scared:
If the card is installed and recognized successfuly,  you should be able to move your remainder files just fine..

Sounds like you should upgrade your motherboard, processor & memory (there's combo packages out there for under $200), then reformat & reload your OS and mobo drivers to match  the new combo and Don't overwrite atop the old mobo drivers (done that and had all sorts of conflict issues).
Just a thought :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 20, 2009, 10:26:47 AM
I did that about 5 years ago, but when you change the mother board and CPU, you have to change the memory and maybe even power supply, too (had to get one with a P4 connector last time I upgraded). That's why I figure as old as my current setup is, I'd be better just starting from scratch with a whole new computer. All I'd need is the computer itself. All my peripherals still work fine (for the moment).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2009, 10:30:21 AM
I did that about 5 years ago, but when you change the mother board and CPU, you have to change the memory and maybe even power supply, too (had to get one with a P4 connector last time I upgraded). That's why I figure as old as my current setup is, I'd be better just starting from scratch with a whole new computer. All I'd need is the computer itself. All my peripherals still work fine (for the moment).
Ah. Understood
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 20, 2009, 11:28:28 AM
I did that about 5 years ago, but when you change the mother board and CPU, you have to change the memory and maybe even power supply, too (had to get one with a P4 connector last time I upgraded). That's why I figure as old as my current setup is, I'd be better just starting from scratch with a whole new computer. All I'd need is the computer itself. All my peripherals still work fine (for the moment).

Just went through that, I had one of the last AGP motherboards, had my monitor die so got a larger higher resolution one and was getting low frame rates with the best AGP card I could still find.  So to upgrade the graphics I had to upgrade the motherboard and processor, and new memory, and yes there is a new power connector for the CPU now (went from 4 pins to 8 ), so new power supply also needed (video cards now have and extra power connector that's a new design also), at that point I added a few nice extras like a blu-ray drive and new hard drives.   Almost had to get a new case but was able to modify my old one to get more air flow to keep the CPU temp down.   All in all it would have been easier and cheaper just to buy a prebuilt system, but none of them had exactly the parts I wanted...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 20, 2009, 10:23:41 PM
Yeah, I figure I'll end up improving on any computer I get (someday), but I'm so far behind at this point, to upgrade, I have to start all over. I could build my own, I suppose, but with this generation of multiple core CPUs and non-AGP graphics cards, not to mention memory and TB-size HDDs, I don't have the foggiest of where to start with building a decent, affordable computer.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Zeether on July 20, 2009, 10:32:19 PM
I need a new graphics card and a dual core. Actually just the dual core would be fine. Since it's pretty much industry standard to have a multi-core processor now they should be cheap.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 21, 2009, 08:54:07 AM
FYI....to those who read about my Antivirus 2009 encounter over in "RRRGGGHHH"....

I think it was this Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830) that did the trick....

It got that one under control and I can now run Malwarebytes and Avast with no problem.   :)

And the computer is running better, too.
My dad got that on his computer a while back, spent an evening on the phone getting rid of it, had to kill several processes using task manager to get malwarebytes access to the net so it could update itself, then malwarebytes was able to kill the damn thing.
And now Relaxing Dragon has gotten a buggie too.....and we both visit this website....hmmmm....   ;)

I think this thread's name could be changed to "Computers suck" and it would not be off topic at all.
Or more like "Viruses suck!"

And - if the comspiracy theorry is true - "Norton sucks for financing people who make viruses!"
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Zeether on July 21, 2009, 09:20:45 AM
Is it bad that I have Norton and it's actually done well protecting me from viruses?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 21, 2009, 09:24:53 AM
Eh, I use a freeware virus program, so I've got no stones to throw.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 21, 2009, 09:37:24 AM
Is it bad that I have Norton and it's actually done well protecting me from viruses?
I've had a legit version of both Norton AND McAfee and they Both let shit through to my hard drives :angry:

Trend Micro's PCCillin is All I use now 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 21, 2009, 09:47:29 AM
Just finished doing a ventilation modification to my main computer (the clear acrylic case shown at the beginning and on page 5 of this thread)..
I added a 120mm 'chimney exhaust' fan to the top of the case between the power supply and the DVD multi burner using my Black & Decker 'Wizard' (their version of a Dremel tool), to cut out the plastic hole..

Just waiting on this from NewEgg..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835230005
for my Master/OS hard drive to complete my ventilation modifications.. 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 21, 2009, 10:22:54 AM
Is it bad that I have Norton and it's actually done well protecting me from viruses?
No one has said that Norton is "bad" per se...

They just find it really, really suspicious that Norton (and a few others) have a way of dealing with these viruses already the very day that said viruses are announced to the public....   Maybe they're that quick...or maybe it's easy to have a ready antedote when you've created the malady?

That these companies keep themselves in business.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Zeether on July 21, 2009, 11:24:34 AM
My friend uses Avast and he hates me for using Norton.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 21, 2009, 11:46:35 AM
Is it bad that I have Norton and it's actually done well protecting me from viruses?
No one has said that Norton is "bad" per se...

They just find it really, really suspicious that Norton (and a few others) have a way of dealing with these viruses already the very day that said viruses are announced to the public....   Maybe they're that quick...or maybe it's easy to have a ready antedote when you've created the malady?

That these companies keep themselves in business.

I think it would be hard to keep that kind of thing secret for so long.  By now someone would have gotten prof that the antivirus companies support the scum that make the viruses.

I use clamav on the Linux mail servers I manage for the science department, updated every hour, they usually have a signature up for a virus within hours of one surfacing, haven't had a virus get through by email in a very long time.  Unfortunately they only make a scanner, no removal tools.

Public announcement of a virus is often well after it's been in the wild for some time, so it's not a surprise that the antivirus companies already have the tools ready.   Norton sure could do better than once a week updating.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 22, 2009, 08:26:05 AM

Norton sure could do better than once a week updating.
That's one reason also I got away from them..

Trend Micro updates anywhere from 5 to 10 times a day :o
The only issue I have with that, is that it's a resource hog and slows my computer up for a bit till the update is downloaded and installed :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 22, 2009, 10:25:41 AM
ALERT!
Quote
Exposed: Repair Shops Hack Your Laptops
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 


Some computer repair shops are illegally accessing personal data on customers' hard drives — and even trying to hack their bank accounts, a Sky News investigation has found.

In one case, passwords, log-in details and vacation photographs were all copied onto a portable memory stick by a technician. In other shops, customers were charged for non-existent work and simple faults were misdiagnosed.

Sky engineers created a simple, easily diagnosable fault by loosening the connection of the internal memory chip. This prevented Windows being able to load. To get things working again, the chip would simply need to be pushed back into position.

The investigation targeted six different computer repair shops. All but one misdiagnosed or overcharged for the fault.

The most serious offender was Revival Computers in Hammersmith, West London. Shortly after identifying the real fault, an engineer called our undercover reporter to say the computer needed a new motherboard, which would cost $200.

The surveillance software then recorded one technician browsing through the files on the hard drive, including private documents and intimate vacation photos, including some of our researcher in her bikini.

[Revival Computers had its membership suspended by Britain's Professional Computing Association Wednesday afternoon.

A spokesman for the U.S. Federal Trade Commission told FOXNews.com he'd never heard of an American computer-repair technician stealing passwords from clients. Queries to the FBI and Better Business Bureau were not immediately returned.]
I suspect this is happening here but just hasn't been found out about (yet) ::)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 22, 2009, 12:20:56 PM
ALERT!
Quote
Exposed: Repair Shops Hack Your Laptops
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 


Some computer repair shops are illegally accessing personal data on customers' hard drives — and even trying to hack their bank accounts, a Sky News investigation has found.

In one case, passwords, log-in details and vacation photographs were all copied onto a portable memory stick by a technician. In other shops, customers were charged for non-existent work and simple faults were misdiagnosed.

Sky engineers created a simple, easily diagnosable fault by loosening the connection of the internal memory chip. This prevented Windows being able to load. To get things working again, the chip would simply need to be pushed back into position.

The investigation targeted six different computer repair shops. All but one misdiagnosed or overcharged for the fault.

The most serious offender was Revival Computers in Hammersmith, West London. Shortly after identifying the real fault, an engineer called our undercover reporter to say the computer needed a new motherboard, which would cost $200.

The surveillance software then recorded one technician browsing through the files on the hard drive, including private documents and intimate vacation photos, including some of our researcher in her bikini.

[Revival Computers had its membership suspended by Britain's Professional Computing Association Wednesday afternoon.

A spokesman for the U.S. Federal Trade Commission told FOXNews.com he'd never heard of an American computer-repair technician stealing passwords from clients. Queries to the FBI and Better Business Bureau were not immediately returned.]
I suspect this is happening here but just hasn't been found out about (yet) ::)

Yea, I would think that type of thing is happening everywhere, it's just not something that's been on the radar of journalists like the home repair and car repair rip-off artists.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 22, 2009, 12:23:25 PM
I would think some sort of investigation should be launched here For Sure!
I'm glad I have Trusted Friends that I can go to if I can't fix a problem myself..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Zeether on July 22, 2009, 12:56:23 PM
I'm thinking of getting a dual core but I'm afraid my Dell won't like it and I'll have to rip out the motherboard and put in a new one.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 22, 2009, 12:59:28 PM
I'm thinking of getting a dual core but I'm afraid my Dell won't like it and I'll have to rip out the motherboard and put in a new one.
You probably will..
Dells aren't very upgradeable; if at all :gouge:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Zeether on July 22, 2009, 01:42:48 PM
I'm thinking of getting a dual core but I'm afraid my Dell won't like it and I'll have to rip out the motherboard and put in a new one.
You probably will..
Dells aren't very upgradeable; if at all :gouge:
FUCK.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 22, 2009, 01:46:18 PM
I'm thinking of getting a dual core but I'm afraid my Dell won't like it and I'll have to rip out the motherboard and put in a new one.
You probably will..
Dells aren't very upgradeable; if at all :gouge:
FUCK.
My sentiments exactly..

They would rather you buy a whole new computer from them cause they'll make more money from you that way, plus the newer processor is more than likely not compatable with your existing mother board and memory..
 :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Zeether on July 22, 2009, 02:25:38 PM
Well, I think a C2D may work now that I've checked Dell's forums.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 22, 2009, 02:34:56 PM
Well, I think a C2D may work now that I've checked Dell's forums.
Ah.. Good Luck then :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Bob on July 22, 2009, 07:02:37 PM
My newest home computer strategy is......... buying $500 HP laptops from Best Buy, use them up after three years and get a new $500 laptop.

Honestly, I am not starting my own space program, so how much computing power do I really need?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 22, 2009, 10:52:24 PM
I'm thinking of getting a dual core but I'm afraid my Dell won't like it and I'll have to rip out the motherboard and put in a new one.
You probably will..
Dells aren't very upgradeable; if at all :gouge:
FUCK.
My sentiments exactly..

They would rather you buy a whole new computer from them cause they'll make more money from you that way, plus the newer processor is more than likely not compatable with your existing mother board and memory..
 :-\

Well, I've found that if you wait 5 years before upgrading, you'll basically have to get a whole new computer anyway, so if you go several years in between upgrades, a cheap Dell isn't so bad. At least, this is my thinking patterns regarding my options when I finally have no choice but to get another computer.

As for my USB woes, I have four words to describe my experience - "son of a bitch!"   :angry: :grr: :angry:

So I shell out the $14 for a new USB 2.0 PCI card and where does that get me? Abso-frakkin'-lutely nowhere. Still getting the reboot whenever I plug in my external hard drive. Updated my BIOS - nothin' new. I would swear it has to be the power supply, but it's a 450W PS. That should be plenty to run everything I'm using it for. Sure, I went a little cheap when I replaced my old PS, but 450W is 450W, right? And to get anything more reliable would cost me more than I'm willing to put into this old thing.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 23, 2009, 05:48:29 AM

As for my USB woes, I have four words to describe my experience - "son of a bitch!"   :angry: :grr: :angry:

So I shell out the $14 for a new USB 2.0 PCI card and where does that get me? Abso-frakkin'-lutely nowhere. Still getting the reboot whenever I plug in my external hard drive. Updated my BIOS - nothin' new. I would swear it has to be the power supply, but it's a 450W PS. That should be plenty to run everything I'm using it for. Sure, I went a little cheap when I replaced my old PS, but 450W is 450W, right? And to get anything more reliable would cost me more than I'm willing to put into this old thing.
It's possible that it could be your PS (if it's pretty old).. Only way to know for sure is to put in another one.. :-\

Been to this point before..
If that didn't solve your problem (which it obviously didn't), it's time to bite the bullet and either upgrade the guts (mobo, processor, memory, & PS) or go with a $500+ Dell :-\
I've always upgraded myself but if you're not to tech savy and you don't want to shell out additional $$$ to have a professional do it, then it's time to give Dell a call :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 23, 2009, 08:27:16 AM
Well, I thought of one more possible cheap fix. I have both drives plugged into a USB 1.1 hub right now and they're doing fine. It's a powered hub, though, so that may be why they work on it. The only problem is that on USB 1.1, it's too impractical to move video files and such. It takes around 30 minutes to move a MST3K avi, for example. I did have my old HDD connected through firewire, but since that was the only thing that used it, I took that card out when I put in the USB 2.0 card. I'll try this one last thing and after that, it's time to look for a new machine. And somehow convince my wife it's time to upgrade.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 23, 2009, 08:42:26 AM
Well, I thought of one more possible cheap fix. I have both drives plugged into a USB 1.1 hub right now and they're doing fine. It's a powered hub, though, so that may be why they work on it. The only problem is that on USB 1.1, it's too impractical to move video files and such. It takes around 30 minutes to move a MST3K avi, for example. I did have my old HDD connected through firewire, but since that was the only thing that used it, I took that card out when I put in the USB 2.0 card. I'll try this one last thing and after that, it's time to look for a new machine. And somehow convince my wife it's time to upgrade.
Good Luck!
I've got a couple of older (2-3 years old) complete computers here at my home office that are no longer being used because I built newer/faster machines..

They both have Pentium D 1.86 processors, and 1 gig of DDR RAM with 80 gig HD's for the Windows XP Pro OS already installed (after wiping them)

PM me if your interested and I'll see if we can work out something on one of them. Just a thought :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 23, 2009, 08:54:21 AM
Well, fuck. I just hit my keyboard in frustration and, laptops being shit, seem to have damaged the keypad so the space bar doesn't register on the right side.


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
Ouch.. Yeah, do that to a Desktop keyboard next time.. They're much cheaper to replace :speechless:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 23, 2009, 08:59:31 AM
Well, I thought of one more possible cheap fix. I have both drives plugged into a USB 1.1 hub right now and they're doing fine. It's a powered hub, though, so that may be why they work on it. The only problem is that on USB 1.1, it's too impractical to move video files and such. It takes around 30 minutes to move a MST3K avi, for example. I did have my old HDD connected through firewire, but since that was the only thing that used it, I took that card out when I put in the USB 2.0 card. I'll try this one last thing and after that, it's time to look for a new machine. And somehow convince my wife it's time to upgrade.
Good Luck!
I've got a couple of older (2-3 years old) complete computers here at my home office that are no longer being used because I built newer/faster machines..

They both have Pentium D 1.86 processors, and 1 gig of DDR RAM with 80 gig HD's for the Windows XP Pro OS already installed (after wiping them)

PM me if your interested and I'll see if we can work out something on one of them. Just a thought :)

Funny enough, that's basically the same setup I have now, but I have an Athlon XP 2500+ (1.83 GHz) , 1 GB of RAM and an 80 GB internal HDD . . . which is why I wanted the 320 GB external. Who knew a 450W PSU couldn't handle a USB 2.0 connection to an external HDD that already has its own power!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 23, 2009, 09:02:29 AM

 Who knew a 450W PSU couldn't handle a USB 2.0 connection to an external HDD that already has its own power!
Oh yeah.. I forgot about that too.. D'OH :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 23, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
Well, I thought of one more possible cheap fix. I have both drives plugged into a USB 1.1 hub right now and they're doing fine. It's a powered hub, though, so that may be why they work on it. The only problem is that on USB 1.1, it's too impractical to move video files and such. It takes around 30 minutes to move a MST3K avi, for example. I did have my old HDD connected through firewire, but since that was the only thing that used it, I took that card out when I put in the USB 2.0 card. I'll try this one last thing and after that, it's time to look for a new machine. And somehow convince my wife it's time to upgrade.

Can't pick out what your fix is?  Are you going to try running the drives off the firewire card?  

I would think if they are running OK on a powered USB 1.1 hub they would also run fine on a USB 2 powered hub, then you would have full speed and not be drawing power from the motherboard (assuming the USB ports on your PC are USB 2).  It does seem like a power problem on your motherboard.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 23, 2009, 09:15:03 AM
Well, I thought of one more possible cheap fix. I have both drives plugged into a USB 1.1 hub right now and they're doing fine. It's a powered hub, though, so that may be why they work on it. The only problem is that on USB 1.1, it's too impractical to move video files and such. It takes around 30 minutes to move a MST3K avi, for example. I did have my old HDD connected through firewire, but since that was the only thing that used it, I took that card out when I put in the USB 2.0 card. I'll try this one last thing and after that, it's time to look for a new machine. And somehow convince my wife it's time to upgrade.

Can't pick out what your fix is?  Are you going to try running the drives off the firewire card?  

I would think if they are running OK on a powered USB 1.1 hub they would also run fine on a USB 2 powered hub, then you would have full speed and not be drawing power from the motherboard (assuming the USB ports on your PC are USB 2).  It does seem like a power problem on your motherboard.

Well, the old HDD has a firewire connection, but the new one doesn't. Plus I took out the firewire card to put in the usb 2.0 card. My old HDD is the only thing I have that uses firewire, after all.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 23, 2009, 09:32:30 AM
That's why I'm a little hesitant on getting a laptop. Sure, they're a lot more compact and portable, but if something goes wrong, you pay through the nose to fix it. If I had a job where I traveled a lot, then I'd bite the bullet, but now it's just not a necessity.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 23, 2009, 09:35:10 AM
If I had a job where I traveled a lot, then I'd bite the bullet.
That's why I finally got one, and I hardly ever use it while here at home, but when I'm on vacation, This Is My PRECIOUS!! 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 27, 2009, 09:47:25 AM
Okay . . .  that's frakking it! I plugged my new USB 2.0 hub in and guess what happened? The computer rebooted! So it's something wrong with a driver or somesuch, but finding out which one is impossible because if I start uninstalling USB drivers, I won't be able to use my keyboard or mouse in order to set anything up once it's uninstalled. I now officially hate this computer.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on July 27, 2009, 09:50:22 AM
Okay . . .  that's frakking it! I plugged my new USB 2.0 hub in and guess what happened? The computer rebooted! So it's something wrong with a driver or somesuch, but finding out which one is impossible because if I start uninstalling USB drivers, I won't be able to use my keyboard or mouse in order to set anything up once it's uninstalled. I now officially hate this computer.
Have you taken it to a local computer shop for a second look/opinion?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 27, 2009, 10:23:03 AM
Okay . . .  that's frakking it! I plugged my new USB 2.0 hub in and guess what happened? The computer rebooted! So it's something wrong with a driver or somesuch, but finding out which one is impossible because if I start uninstalling USB drivers, I won't be able to use my keyboard or mouse in order to set anything up once it's uninstalled. I now officially hate this computer.

Computers are frustrating as heck sometimes, aren't they? 

Can't think of any bios settings that would affect only USB 2, but I guess there could be.

If you know the chipset on your motherboard try downloading and installing the latest drivers for it, might help.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on July 27, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
Okay . . .  that's frakking it! I plugged my new USB 2.0 hub in and guess what happened? The computer rebooted! So it's something wrong with a driver or somesuch, but finding out which one is impossible because if I start uninstalling USB drivers, I won't be able to use my keyboard or mouse in order to set anything up once it's uninstalled. I now officially hate this computer.

Computers are frustrating as heck sometimes, aren't they? 

Can't think of any bios settings that would affect only USB 2, but I guess there could be.

If you know the chipset on your motherboard try downloading and installing the latest drivers for it, might help.

I did that before I bought the hub hoping maybe that was the problem, but that didn't solve anything. I'm afraid to take it to a shop because the thing is a hodge-podge of parts that I put together a bit at a time and as old as the thing is, I'm a little embarrassed to even own it. Besides, I could probably spend a little over twice what a repair bill would be and get a whole new computer light years better than what I have, Other than no USB 2.0, it works, so I'm just going to have to deal with it until I can get that money together.

UPDATE: Alright, I've thought of one more last ditch effort to get this thing working again. I'm going to reinstall Windows and see if that helps. I figure that if I reformat my drive and reinstall Windows from scratch, if the problem is driver or otherwise software related, that should take care of it. If it's a hardware issue, then I go back to waiting for a new computer.

All this because of a $20 HDD that only works on USB. If it had a firewire port like my old drive, I probably wouldn't even bother with all this.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 01, 2009, 10:16:21 AM
Well, I've been busy the last couple weeks modding my clear acrylic (main computer) case for adding a couple more fans (Total of 8 now-Not including the 2- 80mm fans in the power supply which would make 10: 2- 120mm fans, 3- 80mm fans, and 3- 40mm fans in a 5 1/4" bay specifically for the Master/OS hard drive), along with adding one more EIDE 500gb hard drive for some more video backups, and I'll be replacing a piece if crap Lite-On DVD burner with a more durable and reliable LG Super-Multi DVD burner next week  :o

I'll be Glad to put the side panels back on once I install that new DVD burner 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on August 01, 2009, 10:30:43 AM
Por que necesitan so many fans?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 01, 2009, 10:34:44 AM
Por que necesitan so many fans?
I'm ALL About Cooling 8)
All my computers have a Minimum of 3 to 5 fans in each case.

And if you include the Giant 130mm CPU fan, that's 11.. And Yes, IT IS VERY LOUD! :speechless:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on August 01, 2009, 10:41:07 AM
Wouldn't some sort of liquid cooling be better?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 01, 2009, 10:43:19 AM
Wouldn't some sort of liquid cooling be better?
Yes.. Until it leaks :scared:

I have a thing about that..
If liquid and electronics are in close proximity of each other, something baaad can happen :speechless:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on August 01, 2009, 10:44:44 AM
Um that's why the liquid used is generally one with low conductivity.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 01, 2009, 10:46:21 AM
Um that's why the liquid used is generally one with low conductivity.
It's Still Liquid none the less..

I can replace a fan if it goes bad much easier than a motherboard or CPU..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on August 01, 2009, 10:50:04 AM
So use cooking oil then. (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/strip-fans,1203.html)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on August 01, 2009, 10:51:20 AM
And Yes, IT IS VERY LOUD! :speechless:

My downstairs computer gets like that. I just open it up and preform a little "dust bunny ethnic cleansing".
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on August 01, 2009, 10:52:10 AM
So use cooking oil then. (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/strip-fans,1203.html)

I stumbled upon that one day.  Looks interesting, and probably smells delicious.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on August 01, 2009, 10:52:55 AM
Yeah I'd be interested in giving it a go.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 01, 2009, 10:53:08 AM
So use cooking oil then. (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/strip-fans,1203.html)
Oh Hell.. I ain't Fryin Fish with this thing ::)

That is pretty cool, but still.. I just don't prefer Anything liquid circulating inside (or outside) my computers :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 01, 2009, 10:55:26 AM
And Yes, IT IS VERY LOUD! :speechless:

My downstairs computer gets like that. I just open it up and preform a little "dust bunny ethnic cleansing".
Yeah, I just did that when I started this project a couple weeks back :D :D :D

I found many dead moths, mosquitoes, flys, and spiders in there as well.. It just sucks them all in (well the UV lights attract them in and they're chopped up by the fans)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 01, 2009, 11:45:08 AM
So use cooking oil then. (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/strip-fans,1203.html)

That's great, just need a circulating pump and a radiator to keep the oil cool.  Also would be good to move the oil around, for large water baths in the lab we have a motor with a little propeller on a shaft that you clamp onto the side of the bath.

We had a piece of equipment in one of the labs that used a special 3M fluid, flowed better than water with great thermal properties, was non conductive, could pump lots of it through little tubes real easy, problem was it evaporated fast and was $100 for a little bottle of it, so that piece of donated equipment quickly started collecting dust...

I would not use any plant based oil, to easy to oxidize or even get bacteria growing in it.  Motor oils have lots of addatives, not sure of the conductivity of those.

Mineral or silicon oil would be great for this, silicon is more expensive but can take very high heat without breaking down and will not harm the plastic tank.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 01, 2009, 12:06:25 PM
And if you include the Giant 130mm CPU fan, that's 11.. And Yes, IT IS VERY LOUD! :speechless:

I can't stand fan noise.  With that many fans you should be able to put in lower speed ones.  One cool trick is to run your 12V fans on 7V, move the ground to the +5.  I've had one of mine running like that for years. 

My latest rebuild I really wanted to keep my old full tower case, most of the new cases have fans on top and I use the top as an extension of the desk...  So I got out the power tools and opened up some new ways for air to flow, and used duct tape and plastic sheet to build a duct so the CPU cooler pulls in only outside air.  Was able to get good cooling with 4 quiet fans, but it would never pass for safety, several holes big enough to stick your finger in and touch a fan.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 01, 2009, 12:23:08 PM
And if you include the Giant 130mm CPU fan, that's 11.. And Yes, IT IS VERY LOUD! :speechless:

I can't stand fan noise.  With that many fans you should be able to put in lower speed ones.  One cool trick is to run your 12V fans on 7V, move the ground to the +5.  I've had one of mine running like that for years. 

My latest rebuild I really wanted to keep my old full tower case, most of the new cases have fans on top and I use the top as an extension of the desk...  So I got out the power tools and opened up some new ways for air to flow, and used duct tape and plastic sheet to build a duct so the CPU cooler pulls in only outside air.  Was able to get good cooling with 4 quiet fans, but it would never pass for safety, several holes big enough to stick your finger in and touch a fan.
Oh yeah I know.
I've got 6 hard drives to cool, and 5 outta 8 case fans are blowing on all 6 hard drives so I need them at full speed.. The 120mm fans are about the quietest of them all, but the 3- 40mm's are the loudest, but they are movin the Hell out of some air on that Master/OS hard drive :o

To me, the noise is a small sacrifice to keep everything as cool as possible and avoid overheating related failures :)
And, I've gotten used to the noise already.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on August 01, 2009, 01:06:37 PM
So use cooking oil then. (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/strip-fans,1203.html)

That's great, just need a circulating pump and a radiator to keep the oil cool.  Also would be good to move the oil around, for large water baths in the lab we have a motor with a little propeller on a shaft that you clamp onto the side of the bath.

We had a piece of equipment in one of the labs that used a special 3M fluid, flowed better than water with great thermal properties, was non conductive, could pump lots of it through little tubes real easy, problem was it evaporated fast and was $100 for a little bottle of it, so that piece of donated equipment quickly started collecting dust...

I would not use any plant based oil, to easy to oxidize or even get bacteria growing in it.  Motor oils have lots of addatives, not sure of the conductivity of those.

Mineral or silicon oil would be great for this, silicon is more expensive but can take very high heat without breaking down and will not harm the plastic tank.

Yeah I think the silicone oil would be the way to go. I knew of the 3M fluid (or maybe fluids, they might have a couple) but I've never seen anything about their performance.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: TheBatman on August 02, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
I have an AMD Athlon 64 duel core processor, Nvidia Geforce 8600 graphics card, 500 GB hard drive, 400 GB external, 2GB of RAM. I have no idea if any of this stuff is good (I pulled the info from the direct x diagnostic tool), I just gave a friend of mine who's a computer whiz £250 to build one for me and make sure it would run Call of Duty 4 properly.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on August 02, 2009, 03:42:43 PM
From what little I know about today's computer components, sounds like a pretty good machine. Lightyears away from mine, anyway.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 03, 2009, 07:14:52 AM
I have an AMD Athlon 64 duel core processor, Nvidia Geforce 8600 graphics card, 500 GB hard drive, 400 GB external, 2GB of RAM. I have no idea if any of this stuff is good (I pulled the info from the direct x diagnostic tool), I just gave a friend of mine who's a computer whiz £250 to build one for me and make sure it would run Call of Duty 4 properly.
Yeah, that's a pretty decent setup..

Looks like my broadband service is Still getting worked on, so I may be off and on today :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on August 03, 2009, 02:25:21 PM
Okay....someone familiar with Nero 7 Ultra Edition....

Trying to do a full erase of a DVD-RW that I recorded with Nero but the video and audio are out of sync (seperate problem).  It's now 352 + elapsed time and still going..and 0:00 remaining time....shows green across the progress bar.

Is this normal or is it just screwed up.  I can't spend the rest of the week on this one disc

I have yet to be able to erase a RW disc on this damn thing...with Nero or the Sonic program it came with.

Thanks



Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 03, 2009, 02:31:47 PM
 stopped using Nero around version 4,I found that it is the worst program for burning DvDs.  I never could get it to work.  Honestly free programs that you can download off of the internet work much better.  Sorry all the help I can give you is to tell you to stop using Nero.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 03, 2009, 02:37:42 PM
stopped using Nero around version 4,I found that it is the worst program for burning DvDs.  I never could get it to work.  Honestly free programs that you can download off of the internet work much better.  Sorry all the help I can give you is to tell you to stop using Nero.
??? Nero 6 And 7 is All I use to burn my DVDs.. Not sure why you've had such bad luck.. :-\

PSCD.. Are you sure your DVD burner has the capability to rewrite ??
A lot of dvd burners are Burn only (DVD +R or -R and Not RW)?
If it's green across the progress bar, it may be caching the files or finalizing cause sometimes that can take awhile.. :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 03, 2009, 02:43:59 PM
All I know is that I used Nero versions 1-4 on three computers and it seemed like something was always messing up.  One day I decided to use some programs that I found on the internet for free,they worked perfectly so i never looked back.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on August 03, 2009, 02:51:32 PM
PSCD.. Are you sure your DVD burner has the capability to rewrite ??

Looked it up just to be sure....says it's a NEC DVD+RW ND-6650A.  I figure the "RW" in there means I'm good.  No?

I mean it said it would take longer for a full erase but....JEEZ!!!

All I know is that I used Nero versions 1-4 on three computers and it seemed like something was always messing up.  One day I decided to use some programs that I found on the internet for free,they worked perfectly so i never looked back.

Tried free ones (BurnAware, DVD Flick).  Burns the DVD but the Phillips DVD recorder (which isn't getting replaced anytime soon) hooked to the TV won't recognize anything made with those or Sonic.  If I wanted to just play them on the computer I'd keep them as .avi's.

Nero it likes.  And Nero will play things recorded with the Philips without the disc being finished.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 03, 2009, 02:55:26 PM
PSCD.. Are you sure your DVD burner has the capability to rewrite ??

Looked it up just to be sure....says it's a NEC DVD+RW ND-6650A.  I figure the "RW" in there means I'm good.  No?

I mean it said it would take longer for a full erase but....JEEZ!!!

Sounds like it should.. Hmm.. I'm at a loss ???
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 03, 2009, 02:55:28 PM
That's funny I use DvD flick and all of my dvdplayers are philips and they have never had any trouble playing the discs I burnt with DvDflick.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 03, 2009, 02:56:57 PM
PSCD.. Are you sure your DVD burner has the capability to rewrite ??

Looked it up just to be sure....says it's a NEC DVD+RW ND-6650A.  I figure the "RW" in there means I'm good.  No?

I mean it said it would take longer for a full erase but....JEEZ!!!

Yes, full erase takes forever because it writes zeros to every bit, always do quick erase unless you really want to wipe out sensitive data.  Quick erase should only take 1 or 2 minutes.

I really liked Nero 7, upgraded to 9 for HD video capabilites and don't like it as much, and the HD is limited to files, will not play Blu-Ray disks...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 03, 2009, 03:19:56 PM
Cool! Thanks for that Marty :o

Just installed a new LG DVD Super Multi burner and it installed some firmware automatically called 'Bluebirds' and I couldn't uninstall it..

Had to go here.. http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=135300
to uninstall it :grr:

Guess since noone uses their Bull Shit discs they used to provide, they just embed it into the burner itself now to 'make' you use it ::)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 03, 2009, 03:37:52 PM
Alright!
Just put the side panels back on :highfive:

Here's a before pic (from page 5 of this thread)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/LightShow3rebuild01-27-08001.jpg)

And here's 'After' with the additional fans added 8)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/RVR2sLightshow3001.jpg)

Lights Only..
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/RVR2sLightshow3002.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on August 03, 2009, 04:14:46 PM
Cool! Thanks for that Marty :o

Yes, thanks for that.

Of course, I started this erase at 11am - it's now 7pm.  I'm ready to pull the plug...

Update:  Couldn't shut it off so I took the disc out.  It didn't argue and the little window with the clock didn't stop.  So I rebooted and tried the disc.  It plays just like I'd never done a thing to it.

This sucks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 03, 2009, 05:41:07 PM
Cool! Thanks for that Marty :o

Just installed a new LG DVD Super Multi burner and it installed some firmware automatically called 'Bluebirds' and I couldn't uninstall it..

Had to go here.. http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=135300
to uninstall it :grr:

Guess since noone uses their Bull Shit discs they used to provide, they just embed it into the burner itself now to 'make' you use it ::)

That's crazy, embedding a program in the firmware that runs in windows?  I see LG has posted an official update to remove the code from the drive.

I wonder if my new Super Multi Blu-Ray drive had it, when I first installed it the LG install disk went and updated the firmware before installing the PowerDVD software...  And since I turn off autorun on all drives I wouldn't have seen the program come up.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 04, 2009, 06:54:02 AM
RW discs are a huge pain in the ass. I never use them.  It's easier to just get a clone drive setup for anything you need to preview, and buy cheap (20-30 cent) discs from an online retailer in bulk.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I do as well..

Look for sales at places like Best Buy; 50 for $12.99, or 100 for $24.99
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 04, 2009, 07:00:42 AM
I use Supermediastore.com.  Also, Nero 7 is awesome.
Oh Cool! I'll check that out! :o

Yeah, Nero 7 is Excellent 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on August 04, 2009, 07:15:36 AM
It's easier to just get a clone drive setup for anything you need to preview.....

Does a clone drive connect to a TV?

If not, any ideas on how to convince someone to watch things on the computer?  Because that's the only issue. Wanting to show them something I don't want to keep on DVD.

What I really need is a TV with a connection for the laptop.  But that's a long way off.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 04, 2009, 09:22:06 AM
RW discs are a huge pain in the ass. I never use them.  It's easier to just get a clone drive setup for anything you need to preview, and buy cheap (20-30 cent) discs from an online retailer in bulk.

I used them all the time on my stand alone DVD recorders, and before large flash drives got cheap used them all the time for moving big files between home and work.

Only problem I've ever had with them is when formatted on one drive and then try to record on another.  Never a problem playing them anywhere, just trying to record over them on a different unit.  But could always find some combination of erase on one and then another and then the disk would appear new and unformatted everywhere.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on August 04, 2009, 09:26:37 AM
RW discs are a huge pain in the ass. I never use them.  It's easier to just get a clone drive setup for anything you need to preview, and buy cheap (20-30 cent) discs from an online retailer in bulk.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I do as well..

Look for sales at places like Best Buy; 50 for $12.99, or 100 for $24.99

My father does that.  The only problem is that he never USES the discs.  He just keeps procuring these when he finds a sale, and now he has thousands of these things lying around.

I use DVD-RWs for my Rifftrax reauthors though.  I am frequently finding that I want to go back to an old project and make some modification.  The RWs ensure I don't have to use up a new disc.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on August 04, 2009, 11:43:32 AM
I used to use RWs to test my copies of DVDs to make sure everything turned out alright. Then I found out about DAEMON Tools. No need to actually burn a disc, just mount the disc image and check it out on the computer. Somehow my RWs always ended up scratched and therefore unuseable. I still use them every now and then if I rent a movie and have to take it back before I get to see it (Redbox mostly).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 13, 2009, 07:17:27 AM
Anyone have any idea why Vista is saying that my computer doesn't have a DVD/CD drive when it was just burning to it 20 minutes ago,and what if anything I can do to get it to see the drive.  I have tried restarting my computer.  Man the first thing I am doing when I get another job is getting a Mac,after Vista Microsoft has lost me forever. I am never buying anything again that has a Microsoft logo on it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 13, 2009, 07:29:54 AM
Anyone have any idea why Vista is saying that my computer doesn't have a DVD/CD drive when it was just burning to it 20 minutes ago,and what if anything I can do to get it to see the drive.  I have tried restarting my computer.  Man the first thing I am doing when I get another job is getting a Mac,after Vista Microsoft has lost me forever. I am never buying anything again that has a Microsoft logo on it.
No clue about Vista (and I'll never own anything with a Vista OS on it)..

I would say go back to XP Pro but you probably don't want to do that either.. :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 13, 2009, 07:37:59 AM
Well my Dad's XP desktop works fine but for all the trouble it will be and all the money it will cost(about $100-$120 to get a copy of XP)I'm thinking I may just want to give Mac a try. Everyone I know who has a Mac is very happy with it,plus I am so mad at Microsoft for releasing a product that they knew was full of bugs.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 13, 2009, 08:55:36 AM
Well my Dad's XP desktop works fine but for all the trouble it will be and all the money it will cost(about $100-$120 to get a copy of XP)I'm thinking I may just want to give Mac a try. Everyone I know who has a Mac is very happy with it,plus I am so mad at Microsoft for releasing a product that they knew was full of bugs.

Keep in mind that you pay about 3 times for a Mac what you would for an equivalent PC, and there's about a third of the software available.

My wife is trying to de-mac and she's frustrated at every turn; can't access her archived photos on our pcs, can't transfer her itunes without converting all of them, can't use her ipod (I refuse to allow itunes on my machine because it's such a resource hog)--it's a cult. Once you're in, they really don't want to let you out.

It is possible to have itunes installed and not have it take over your system, but it requires doing the custom install and taking out some startup entries after itunes installs since even the custom install doesn't give you enough control over those.  I use it for my ipods but it only runs when I want it to.  There's one small process that resurrects itself all the time but it doesn't seem to be actively doing anything to use up CPU time.  Stuff from Google and Adobe puts more crap in startup and makes you work to get rid of it, you would think they somehow make more money by having loads of crap running in the background all the time...

There used to be some freeware file managment programs for ipods, but it's harder to find those now, most of the freeware has gone commercial.  "CopyTrans" is a cheap one I use for backing up, and it does other stuff too.

Edit:  Withdrawing recommendation for copytrans, this post reminded me I hadn't backed up my iPod in a while, went to run the program and it automatically updated to a new version and put me back in trial mode, and my activation code is more than a year old so it doesn't work, so to use software from this company you have to pay every year since the software will not run if it can't update itself (tried going back to the year old install program and it will not run if it can't download the latest version from their servers).

Edit2: Found my oldest download from them and that version didn't self update, and took my activation code, so basically I'm back several version but able to backup my ipod again.

Edit3: Emailed them asking for a version that would work with my activation key (say a version from 3 months ago), got a response back saying my free update period had expired, but they gave me a one time activation code for the latest version.  They have several different checkboxes to turn off automatic updates, guess I'll find out if I found them all....  Still can't recommend it even though it works great for backups and file management without iTunes, their update software shouldn't have done what it did without warning me it would put me back in trial mode.

Anyone have any idea why Vista is saying that my computer doesn't have a DVD/CD drive when it was just burning to it 20 minutes ago,and what if anything I can do to get it to see the drive.  I have tried restarting my computer.  Man the first thing I am doing when I get another job is getting a Mac,after Vista Microsoft has lost me forever. I am never buying anything again that has a Microsoft logo on it.

Did you just restart or power off for a minute and restart?  Sometimes the hardware needs a full reset.  But it sounds like it could be a failure of the drive, or a cable came lose.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 13, 2009, 10:49:30 AM
I unpluged my computer for about an hour and now it is working fine.  Have no idea what happened all I know is one minute it was writing to a disc the next it was saying that I didn't even have a drive.  If Mac work it would be worth the price to me.  I am sick of all the trouble that I get from windows always having to restart,reinstall,and always losing files.  Are Macs any better at that type of stuff.  I don't know what is going on I get every update,I virus scan  my computer every day,I defrag it once a week,I only use it for writing,burning discs,and web surfing,and yet I still get nothing but trouble for my 3 GHz,3Gigs memory Vista computer.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 13, 2009, 11:18:24 AM
I unpluged my computer for about an hour and now it is working fine.  Have no idea what happened all I know is one minute it was writing to a disc the next it was saying that I didn't even have a drive.  If Mac work it would be worth the price to me.  I am sick of all the trouble that I get from windows always having to restart,reinstall,and always losing files.  Are Macs any better at that type of stuff.  I don't know what is going on I get every update,I virus scan  my computer every day,I defrag it once a week,I only use it for writing,burning discs,and web surfing,and yet I still get nothing but trouble for my 3 GHz,3Gigs memory Vista computer.

Now it sounds like overheating, burning a disk does make the drive hotter.  Fans running OK?  Might be time to open up the case and blow out any dust inside.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on August 13, 2009, 11:21:16 AM
I unpluged my computer for about an hour and now it is working fine.  Have no idea what happened all I know is one minute it was writing to a disc the next it was saying that I didn't even have a drive.  If Mac work it would be worth the price to me.  I am sick of all the trouble that I get from windows always having to restart,reinstall,and always losing files.  Are Macs any better at that type of stuff.  I don't know what is going on I get every update,I virus scan  my computer every day,I defrag it once a week,I only use it for writing,burning discs,and web surfing,and yet I still get nothing but trouble for my 3 GHz,3Gigs memory Vista computer.

Now it sounds like overheating, burning a disk does make the drive hotter.  Fans running OK?  Might be time to open up the case and blow out any dust inside.
That or the burner is/has gone bad.. I go through DVD Burners like Toilet Paper :gouge:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 13, 2009, 12:37:51 PM
I unpluged my computer for about an hour and now it is working fine.  Have no idea what happened all I know is one minute it was writing to a disc the next it was saying that I didn't even have a drive.  If Mac work it would be worth the price to me.  I am sick of all the trouble that I get from windows always having to restart,reinstall,and always losing files.  Are Macs any better at that type of stuff.  I don't know what is going on I get every update,I virus scan  my computer every day,I defrag it once a week,I only use it for writing,burning discs,and web surfing,and yet I still get nothing but trouble for my 3 GHz,3Gigs memory Vista computer.

The fan sounds ok but I will check it for dust,thanks.

Now it sounds like overheating, burning a disk does make the drive hotter.  Fans running OK?  Might be time to open up the case and blow out any dust inside.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 13, 2009, 12:53:02 PM
I unpluged my computer for about an hour and now it is working fine.  Have no idea what happened all I know is one minute it was writing to a disc the next it was saying that I didn't even have a drive.  If Mac work it would be worth the price to me.  I am sick of all the trouble that I get from windows always having to restart,reinstall,and always losing files.  Are Macs any better at that type of stuff.  I don't know what is going on I get every update,I virus scan  my computer every day,I defrag it once a week,I only use it for writing,burning discs,and web surfing,and yet I still get nothing but trouble for my 3 GHz,3Gigs memory Vista computer.

Now it sounds like overheating, burning a disk does make the drive hotter.  Fans running OK?  Might be time to open up the case and blow out any dust inside.
That or the burner is/has gone bad.. I go through DVD Burners like Toilet Paper :gouge:

Yea, I've gone through more than I should have had to for the number of burns I do, but normally the laser dies and the drive still shows up as a drive letter, it just doesn't do what's it's supposed to....
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 12, 2009, 07:11:15 PM
Ok I tried to reinstall Vista with the disc that came with my computer after it whiped my hard drive.  All my computer does is take me to a screen that asks for a boot disc.  It seems the disc it wants is not the Vista instal disc because it will not leave the screen for the vista instal disc.  Does anyone know if  an XP disc will instal if I buy a copy of XP or does the fact that i don't have a boot disc mean that I have to buy a new computer?  Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 12, 2009, 07:53:01 PM
Ok I tried to reinstall Vista with the disc that came with my computer after it whiped my hard drive.  All my computer does is take me to a screen that asks for a boot disc.  It seems the disc it wants is not the Vista instal disc because it will not leave the screen for the vista instal disc.  Does anyone know if  an XP disc will instal if I buy a copy of XP or does the fact that i don't have a boot disc mean that I have to buy a new computer?  Thanks.

What's your boot order set to in BIOS?  The OS install disk should be a bootable disk, but you often have to set the CD as a boot option in the BIOS.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 12, 2009, 07:58:40 PM
Ok  I know nothing culd you tell me how i would change or even get to my BIOS settings?  Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 12, 2009, 08:00:27 PM
Ok  I know nothing culd you tell me how i would change or even get to my BIOS settings?  Thanks.
Take it to a Professional. Seriously!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 12, 2009, 08:06:40 PM
Ok Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 12, 2009, 08:10:33 PM
Ok  I know nothing culd you tell me how i would change or even get to my BIOS settings?  Thanks.

It's different for each computer, when you first turn it on it should say something like "press X to enter setup".  It's usually the delete key or a function key.

Once into the setup menus look for something called "boot order", Can't really help more than that since every company has their own setup screens and they are all different.  Just don't mess with any CPU speed or memory timing settings and you shouldn't be able to do any physical damage.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 28, 2009, 01:30:56 PM
Just got rid of my last 2 CRT monitors and replaced them with LCD's :highfive:

My local computer tech friend, who's the Senior I.T. Specialist for a local medical center nearby, is upgrading Everything in the center; servers, computers, printers, monitors, etc.

I bought 2 - 19" LCD Dells for $50 each  :o

He had a 2 year old Dell Power Edge 1850 with Windows Server 2003 STD Ed., 2 GB RAM and dual 73 GB 10,000 RPM SCSI Enterprise drives and a Xeon 2.8 GHz HT processor, with dual linked Gigabit Ethernet ports for under $500 that Still has a warranty left on it from Dell but I just couldn't afford it due to a current money crunch :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on September 28, 2009, 01:42:05 PM
Nice price on those LCDs, RVR.
Thanks! ;D
All his systems are 2 to 2 1/2 years old and he's just beginning these upgrades. I'm keeping in touch on a couple of those computers, even though I don't need them, they're more modern and faster than a couple of my other systems in my office currently..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on October 17, 2009, 06:07:46 PM
I'm considering upgrading my computer to handle PC gaming.  I'm already sporting 4 Gb memory, and an AMD Phenom X4 9950 Quad Core 2.6 GHz processor.  However, I think my video card is lacking (not positive what's in there, and CPU-Z doesn't give me information on that).

I do know that my computer has a PCI Express x16 socket in it.  Can anyone recommend (preferably with link to online store) a video card that will let me really run modern games to their full potential?  I'd like something between "cheapo piece of crap" and "$2000 luxury item necessary for supercomputing operations".  I know computers, but not video cards.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 17, 2009, 08:03:53 PM
I'm considering upgrading my computer to handle PC gaming.  I'm already sporting 4 Gb memory, and an AMD Phenom X4 9950 Quad Core 2.6 GHz processor.  However, I think my video card is lacking (not positive what's in there, and CPU-Z doesn't give me information on that).

I do know that my computer has a PCI Express x16 socket in it.  Can anyone recommend (preferably with link to online store) a video card that will let me really run modern games to their full potential?  I'd like something between "cheapo piece of crap" and "$2000 luxury item necessary for supercomputing operations".  I know computers, but not video cards.

Looks like you've got plenty of power there, if you're still running on-board video there's no way it's as good as even a $100 card...

This is what I got this summer when I upgraded:

EVGA 512-P3-1150-TR GTS 250 512 MB DDR3 PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card

It's down to about $125 now.  Pretty good bang for the buck.  I've had no problems getting high frame rates with my flight simulators at 1920x1200.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on October 18, 2009, 04:07:07 AM
I'm not running off the on-board video, but I did just manage to find the model I am running in my Newegg order history.  It cost 27 bucks.

ASUS EN6200LE/TC256/TD/64 GeForce 6200LE 256MB(64MB on Board) 32-bit DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121019).

I can't read these stinkin' video card specs >.<
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hemansfuzzybritches on October 18, 2009, 08:31:01 AM
Nice deal here. I'm using an 8800 GT and it runs most everything quite well. I suspect this would be much the same. Plus it comes with Warcrack.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4924189&SRCCODE=PRICEGRABBER&cm_mmc_o=2mHCjCVybgwTyz__wyCjCVqHCjCdwwp (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4924189&SRCCODE=PRICEGRABBER&cm_mmc_o=2mHCjCVybgwTyz__wyCjCVqHCjCdwwp)

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 18, 2009, 11:53:26 AM
I'm not running off the on-board video, but I did just manage to find the model I am running in my Newegg order history.  It cost 27 bucks.

ASUS EN6200LE/TC256/TD/64 GeForce 6200LE 256MB(64MB on Board) 32-bit DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121019).

That's a GeForce 6200 card, pretty slow compared to the GeForce 9800 or GTS 250.   I had a 6200 before upgrading because it was the last card to support AGP, that's how old the technology is.  4 years old is ancient when it comes to graphics cards.  You can usually tell by the price how hold the card technology is, very latest cards $200+, 1 to 2 years old $100-$200, 3 years $50-$100, 4+ years <$50.

When choosing a new one check the space you have around the PCIe slot, most of the cards now are double width (use 2 openings on the back, one for the connectors and one for air for the fan), and most are also a lot longer than the older cards.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on October 18, 2009, 12:49:25 PM
Yeah, I recently tried to install a character creator for an upcoming game (Dragon Age) and it wouldn't even recognize my Radeon 9600. Geez, I need a new computer . . .
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MrTorso on October 18, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
Who is going for Windows 7 next week?  Are you gonna go 64bit or stay at 32?   
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 18, 2009, 03:12:20 PM
Who is going for Windows 7 next week?  Are you gonna go 64bit or stay at 32?   
Not I..
I'll stay with XP Pro for a while 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on October 18, 2009, 05:14:27 PM
Who is going for Windows 7 next week?  Are you gonna go 64bit or stay at 32?   

Nah.  Windows XP is working fine for me.  If it aint broke, why fix it?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: goflyblind on October 18, 2009, 05:22:43 PM
mathematica, maple and latex work just fine on my mac, so i have no reason to switch.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on October 30, 2009, 12:30:08 PM
Dammit! :grr:
My 2 month old LG 22X Super-Multi SATA DVD burner went out yesterday on my backup computer so I had to use my external LG DVD Super-Multi burner to burn my Titanic RiffTrax last night..
LG customer service is pretty good about these things, so they're sending me a replacement out and I'll send the bad one back when it arrives next week. 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on November 01, 2009, 08:37:39 PM
Well, it seems my old Radeon 9600xt video card has finally bit the dust. And at a really inopportune time (I'm broke). Yeah, I know I could get a better card for $50 or less these days (and nVidia this time, dammit), but $50 is hard to come by lately. Especially with my wife wanting to spend every damn cent we have on the kids for Christmas . . . but I digress. What really sucks is that I was in the middle of a game of KotOR II (with restoration mod) when it decided to go out. I can still do internet stuff, but when it comes to videos and games and all that, I'm SOL for the time being.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: spaceforarent on November 06, 2009, 02:31:52 PM
I ordered the "full" version of Windows 7, this morning, and now I find out you can do a clean install using an upgrade disc. Also, using the student discount, I can get the upgrade disc for $30. In an effort to try getting some of that $200 I just spent, would anyone here be interested in buying a Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade disc? I would at least like to make up for the $30 for the disc, and whatever shipping will cost. Any more than that is up to the highest bidder...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on November 06, 2009, 02:40:45 PM
Hey, Thrifty.
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on November 06, 2009, 07:41:32 PM
I have bit of a tough question. 

As you may or may not know a couple of months ago my Vista laptop cashed and wiped out my hard drive,my computer's hard drive is blank.  Well any way I have sold a few things and now i have some money so i am thinking of getting a copy of Windows XP(I don't want to get stuck with Vista and I want to see a few years feedback on 7 before i try that)any way on to my question. 

With my computer being blank what is the best version of XP to get.  I noticed some say upgrade on the box,does that mean you have to have a working copy of windows on your computer already to use it?  What does the 32 64 bit stuff mean.  Do i have to pay for the service pack or can they be downloaded? 

Sorry for all the questions but i have never gotten an OS apart from a computer before.  Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 06, 2009, 07:53:36 PM
I have bit of a tough question. 

As you may or may not know a couple of months ago my Vista laptop cashed and wiped out my hard drive,my computer's hard drive is blank.  Well any way I have sold a few things and now i have some money so i am thinking of getting a copy of Windows XP(I don't want to get stuck with Vista and I want to see a few years feedback on 7 before i try that)any way on to my question. 

With my computer being blank what is the best version of XP to get.  I noticed some say upgrade on the box,does that mean you have to have a working copy of windows on your computer already to use it?  What does the 32 64 bit stuff mean.  Do i have to pay for the service pack or can they be downloaded? 

Sorry for all the questions but i have never gotten an OS apart from a computer before.  Thanks.

To use an upgrade you'll need either an older operating system already install or the install disk for 98 or ME, it will ask you to put the install disk in to verify.

64bit OS will let you access more than 4GB of ram, and run 64bit applications.

The service packs can be downloaded.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on November 06, 2009, 08:03:15 PM
Ok so as long as I get a version that isn't an upgrade I'll be fine.  Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on November 06, 2009, 08:08:23 PM
One last thing.

When it say it's for system builders like the following listing does that mean anything?

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Home-System-Builders/dp/B000GWKNH2/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1257566714&sr=1-9 (http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Home-System-Builders/dp/B000GWKNH2/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1257566714&sr=1-9)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on November 06, 2009, 08:46:31 PM
Just to give an update on my video card woes, Marty was kind enough to donate a replacement card for the price of postage. It's basically the same specs as my old card, but since it's a Geforce, it's a step up from my Radeon as far as I'm concerned.

:highfive:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 06, 2009, 08:54:26 PM
That's Pretty Cool!! :o

I assembled two desks in my home office today; 1 for the wife,
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/Yadisnewdesk.jpg)

..and 1 for two computer systems to see if I could fit them both on one desk, and sure'nuff, I did 8)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/2computers.jpg)
With a couple boxes full of misc. computer cables and stuff underneath but hey.. Oh well.. 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 06, 2009, 09:42:24 PM
One last thing.

When it say it's for system builders like the following listing does that mean anything?

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Home-System-Builders/dp/B000GWKNH2/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1257566714&sr=1-9 (http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Home-System-Builders/dp/B000GWKNH2/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1257566714&sr=1-9)


The "system builder" part just means you don't get support from Microsoft (can't call them up if you have a problem), it's for people that build PCs and sell them, the "builder" becomes the support person.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hemansfuzzybritches on November 07, 2009, 07:31:03 AM
I have bit of a tough question. 

As you may or may not know a couple of months ago my Vista laptop cashed and wiped out my hard drive,my computer's hard drive is blank.  Well any way I have sold a few things and now i have some money so i am thinking of getting a copy of Windows XP(I don't want to get stuck with Vista and I want to see a few years feedback on 7 before i try that)any way on to my question. 

With my computer being blank what is the best version of XP to get.  I noticed some say upgrade on the box,does that mean you have to have a working copy of windows on your computer already to use it?  What does the 32 64 bit stuff mean.  Do i have to pay for the service pack or can they be downloaded? 

Sorry for all the questions but i have never gotten an OS apart from a computer before.  Thanks.

To use an upgrade you'll need either an older operating system already install or the install disk for 98 or ME, it will ask you to put the install disk in to verify.

64bit OS will let you access more than 4GB of ram, and run 64bit applications.

The service packs can be downloaded.

Keep in mind that some things won't work with XP 64. It wasn't a very popular operating system so few people actually own it. Drivers are particularly hard to come by at times (wireless network cards especially). If you use iTunes, you'll probably have trouble as I don't think it's supported. Also, there's no SP3, and it's likely there never will be. Those are just a few things I noticed. Otherwise it works great. I'm running it because my 32 bit key "ran out of activations." Bastard Microsoft.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2009, 07:54:44 AM
Yeah, that's what I've got on all my computers; XP Pro 32 bit versions with 2-3 gigs of DDR2 RAM and Core2 Duo & Quad Core processors and they're all functioning Great..

I agree with Mojo.. Just go with 32 bit XP Pro and you'll be fine there Doc 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: goflyblind on November 07, 2009, 08:02:25 AM
why is the 32/64 bit thing such an issue with windows? never really heard anything on the mac side when the switch was made.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2009, 08:04:07 AM
why is the 32/64 bit thing such an issue with windows? never really heard anything on the mac side when the switch was made.
I think you just answered your own question.. 8)
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Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on November 07, 2009, 08:04:48 AM
Yeah I reinstalled the 32 bit because many of the programs simply didn't work with 64 bit installed.

What's the point of creating an OS if it doesn't work as well as the OS for half the bits?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2009, 08:07:14 AM
Yeah I reinstalled the 32 bit because many of the programs simply didn't work with 64 bit installed.

What's the point of creating an OS if it doesn't work as well as the OS for half the bits?
That's Bill Gates way of making money by 'forcing' you to upgrade to the newer version OS :angry:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on November 07, 2009, 08:08:09 AM
Yeah I reinstalled the 32 bit because many of the programs simply didn't work with 64 bit installed.

What's the point of creating an OS if it doesn't work as well as the OS for half the bits?
That's Bill Gates way of making money by 'forcing' you to upgrade to the newer version OS :angry:

Well no, this one came with the computer, luckily I had the install discs for the 32 bit lying around.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2009, 08:14:44 AM
Yeah I reinstalled the 32 bit because many of the programs simply didn't work with 64 bit installed.

What's the point of creating an OS if it doesn't work as well as the OS for half the bits?
That's Bill Gates way of making money by 'forcing' you to upgrade to the newer version OS :angry:

Well no, this one came with the computer, luckily I had the install discs for the 32 bit lying around.
Well, you still payed for the new version theoretically..
Would there have been a price difference if you requested the 32 bit version instead? Or did you even ask that before buying?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on November 07, 2009, 11:06:20 AM
Yeah, that's what I've got on all my computers; XP Pro 32 bit versions with 2-3 gigs of DDR2 RAM and Core2 Duo & Quad Core processors and they're all functioning Great..

I agree with Mojo.. Just go with 32 bit XP Pro and you'll be fine there Doc 8)

Ok thanks.  I was leaning toward 32 bit any way because it was cheaper so that is what i will get.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on November 07, 2009, 03:06:33 PM
Yeah I reinstalled the 32 bit because many of the programs simply didn't work with 64 bit installed.

What's the point of creating an OS if it doesn't work as well as the OS for half the bits?
That's Bill Gates way of making money by 'forcing' you to upgrade to the newer version OS :angry:

Well no, this one came with the computer, luckily I had the install discs for the 32 bit lying around.
Well, you still payed for the new version theoretically..
Would there have been a price difference if you requested the 32 bit version instead? Or did you even ask that before buying?

Yeah probably but it was one of those bundled deal things, I don't know if I could have opted to not have had the other os.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on November 07, 2009, 03:48:31 PM
While i can't speak for the x64 version of XP, i'm currently running Vista x64, and i haven't had any issue with programs not running.  with the exception of 1 install disc that came with my netgear router( which you really don't need to do anyway).  Vista has two separate folders for 64bit and 32bit programs.  iTunes, games, printer, scanners, I've been able to install and function without a hitch in 64 bit( And i would say about half of the programs installed are 32bit).  If you have a 64bit processor, which if you've purchased a computer in the past 3 years, chances are you do, its not a bad thing to go for the x64 OS.  In my experience, it tends to load a bit faster, and can handle a good bit more multi tasking.

Quite honestly, i really don't get the problem people have with Vista.  Sure, during the first 8 months it was out, it was a bit of a headace, but after the first year, i haven't had any major problems with Vista.  And it is a bit easier on the eyes.  Its hard for me to even look at XP nowadays.

I got my hands on an "evaluation disc" for Windows 7.  My verdict:  I wouldn't fork over the money to upgrade, but if you were in the market for a new computer, it wouldn't be such a hassle to get stuck with it.  Though the best bet would be to wait until 7 has been out a few months for all the kinks to get worked out.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hemansfuzzybritches on November 08, 2009, 07:50:21 AM
While i can't speak for the x64 version of XP, i'm currently running Vista x64, and i haven't had any issue with programs not running.  with the exception of 1 install disc that came with my netgear router( which you really don't need to do anyway).  Vista has two separate folders for 64bit and 32bit programs.  iTunes, games, printer, scanners, I've been able to install and function without a hitch in 64 bit( And i would say about half of the programs installed are 32bit).  If you have a 64bit processor, which if you've purchased a computer in the past 3 years, chances are you do, its not a bad thing to go for the x64 OS.  In my experience, it tends to load a bit faster, and can handle a good bit more multi tasking.

Quite honestly, i really don't get the problem people have with Vista.  Sure, during the first 8 months it was out, it was a bit of a headace, but after the first year, i haven't had any major problems with Vista.  And it is a bit easier on the eyes.  Its hard for me to even look at XP nowadays.

I got my hands on an "evaluation disc" for Windows 7.  My verdict:  I wouldn't fork over the money to upgrade, but if you were in the market for a new computer, it wouldn't be such a hassle to get stuck with it.  Though the best bet would be to wait until 7 has been out a few months for all the kinks to get worked out.

Yeah, Vista gets a bad rap but it's really not that bad. It's been around quite awhile now so they've had a chance to fix a lot of the problems people initially had with it. As for 64 bit Vista, here's a lot more support for it than there was for xp64. Like you said, Vista comes bundled with the 32 and 64 bit versions on the same disk and most people with a modern computer will have 64 bit capability. So when people are installing they get to choose which version. Of course they're going go choose 64 because that's twice as much as 32!

As for Windows 7, I've tried the RC. It's darn good. It's pretty like Vista, but runs like XP. I'll probably buy it when I have money. Though none can hold a candle to my beloved Ubuntu. Anyone tried 9.10 yet?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: spaceforarent on November 10, 2009, 12:15:05 PM
Windows 7 is up and running. Don't really like the new taskbar, but I can get used to it. Now I have to go about reinstalling everything and adding my files back. This may be a while...
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on November 10, 2009, 12:21:46 PM
Windows 7 is up and running. Don't really like the new taskbar, but I can get used to it. Now I have to go about reinstalling everything and adding my files back. This may be a while...

Yeah, any install/reinstall of an OS and all your programs is an annoying, long process. I had to do it a while back because my USB drivers got all wonky for no reason and I had no other way to fix it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Minnesota on November 10, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
I used to have a pretty nice Vista HTPC setup, but I killed the computer by spilling a can of Coke on it lol. Anyway, I loved Vista and it looked and ran really great on a modern computer. Anyway after the Soda incident I've downgraded a bit to an old Pentium 4 gateway with XP installed... I didnt dare try to bog that thing down with Vista, but with Windows 7 I decided to upgrade it. Been running for a couple days and the only issue is the sound wont show up, so I'll have to go driver hunting one of these days. That aside I like 7 so far. Its fast and stable from what I can tell.

BTW... those looking to upgrade on the cheap, this is where I bought it... ONLY $30 (so long as you have a valid .edu email) http://windows7.digitalriver.com/store/mswpus/en_US/DisplayHomePage

edit: link fixed
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Minnesota on November 10, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
Or this is actually a better deal (I didnt find it until after I already bought the premium version)

http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx
Click the ad that says Windows 7 PRO $30
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on November 10, 2009, 02:41:29 PM
I still, seriously, don't understand why anyone would want to switch from Windows XP to Windows Vista or Windows 7.  I guess I just hold pretty firm to the idea that if it aint broke, don't fix it.

And why is it called Windows 7?

1) Windows 3.1
2) Windows 95
3) Windows 98
4) Windows 2000
5) Windows XP
6) Windows Vista
7) Windows 7

Makes some sense.  But where does Windows NT fit in there?  Where does Windows ME fit?  Why is the first version of Windows called 3.1?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 10, 2009, 02:46:53 PM
I still, seriously, don't understand why anyone would want to switch from Windows XP to Windows Vista or Windows 7.  I guess I just hold pretty firm to the idea that if it aint broke, don't fix it.

For Once, we agree! 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Steve-O on November 10, 2009, 04:07:48 PM
I still, seriously, don't understand why anyone would want to switch from Windows XP to Windows Vista or Windows 7.  I guess I just hold pretty firm to the idea that if it aint broke, don't fix it.

I guess it depends on how one defines "broke."  You could say that XP is broke because it's inherently insecure.  Vista fixed some of that, but broke performance and the user experience along the way.  So Windows 7 fixes what Vista broke whilst fixing what was broke in XP.

Broke.

And why is it called Windows 7?

1) Windows 3.1
2) Windows 95
3) Windows 98
4) Windows 2000
5) Windows XP
6) Windows Vista
7) Windows 7

It's the major version number of the codebase.  It actually breaks down more like this:

1) Windows 1.x
2) Windows 2.x
3) Windows 3.x: Windows 3.0/3.1/3.11, Windows for Workgroups, Windows NT 3.0/3.5/3.51
4) Windows 4.x: Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows NT 4.0
5) Windows 5.x: Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows Server 2003
6) Windows 6.x: Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008
7) Windows 7.x: Windows 7

Fascinating, no?

Why is the first version of Windows called 3.1?

It wasn't.  There was a Windows 1 and a Windows 2.  They just weren't widely used, as most people with PCs already knew their way around DOS and didn't see much point in a slow, buggy collection of desktop accessories.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hemansfuzzybritches on November 10, 2009, 04:11:39 PM
I still, seriously, don't understand why anyone would want to switch from Windows XP to Windows Vista or Windows 7.  I guess I just hold pretty firm to the idea that if it aint broke, don't fix it.

For Once, we agree! 8)

Microsoft is already winding down support for XP. I believe mainstream support has already expired and now you can only get security updates. While, I'm sure you won't have any trouble in the near future, even mighty XP fall to the wayside eventually.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 10, 2009, 04:14:52 PM
I still, seriously, don't understand why anyone would want to switch from Windows XP to Windows Vista or Windows 7.  I guess I just hold pretty firm to the idea that if it aint broke, don't fix it.

For Once, we agree! 8)

Microsoft is already winding down support for XP. I believe mainstream support has already expired and now you can only get security updates. While, I'm sure you won't have any trouble in the near future, even mighty XP fall to the wayside eventually.
Eventually.. But Not tomorrow 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: spaceforarent on November 10, 2009, 06:44:34 PM
Windows 7 is up and running. Don't really like the new taskbar, but I can get used to it. Now I have to go about reinstalling everything and adding my files back. This may be a while...

There are workarounds for that taskbar.  I for one will not be using it; I fucking hate the "stacking icons of same type" feature as well and eliminate that whenever it's on.
Oh, I actually got it changed back to something that resembles the old one. Just have to change it to use small icons. It still actually lists each window separately now, but also joins the together if you want to move them on the taskbar.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Pak-Man on November 16, 2009, 01:00:21 AM
Maybe someone here can help me on this one:

A couple months ago, I decided it was a crime and a travesty that I should be playing my awesome games on anything less than a widescreen HD monitor. I picked myself up a nice one for a good price (An acer brand if it matters) and I've been thrilled with it.

When I first got it, it would stretch the image whenever I was playing an older game. Since I spend a lot of time playing old LucasArts games (And even a few newer games that aren't widescreen) I decided I'd rather see the black bars on the sides of the screen and see my older games in their original aspect ratio. I remember doing SOMETHING and making it so it would detect what type of game I was playing and adjust the screen accordingly. Widescreen games showed up in widescreen, and older games had the black bars.

Then I did SOMETHING and messed it up, so it's stretching everything out again. I've tried lots of things to get it to display the way I want, and lightning hasn't struck twice.  Does anyone know what the name of the option I'm looking for is, and where I set it? Is it an option in the monitor's internal menu, or something I set on my PC?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hemansfuzzybritches on November 16, 2009, 05:45:09 AM
It suppose it depends on what graphics card you have. What I do is I just go into the NVIDIA Control Panel under Display --> Adjust Desktop Size and Position and choose scale with fixed aspect ratio. It might also be in your monitor's internal menu, just look for scaling options.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Pak-Man on November 16, 2009, 08:06:28 AM
Woo! That did the trick! Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Minnesota on November 23, 2009, 08:54:55 AM
http://www.microsoft.com/office/2010/en/download-office-professional-plus/default.aspx

Office 2010 Beta ... FREE
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: spaceforarent on November 23, 2009, 12:20:11 PM
http://www.microsoft.com/office/2010/en/download-office-professional-plus/default.aspx

Office 2010 Beta ... FREE
...and I just bought 2007 2 days ago. At least I got the student discount.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on November 23, 2009, 03:25:30 PM
http://www.microsoft.com/office/2010/en/download-office-professional-plus/default.aspx

Office 2010 Beta ... FREE
...and I just bought 2007 2 days ago. At least I got the student discount.

Hmm . . . I don't know. With MS's history of releasing buggy software, I'm a little leery of using a beta on this decrepit, old computer. 
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on November 27, 2009, 02:18:15 AM
This  absolutely sucks.

Both of my hard drives just failed on me.  ALL of my important data was lost.       Everything.. Instead of crying about it, i decided to make the most out of it.  This seems as good a time as any to get a new setup, and step away for the 3 year old Dell.  So i mulled over the possibilities, and went to newegg.com, and tried to setup an new system.       Check it, and let me know if i might be missing something.:

Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811233049
Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128395
Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103706
Hardrives:
One for OS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148511
Other 2 for storage
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148411
And a little extra ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231085
I already have a 1GB video card, and a 700W power supply.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hemansfuzzybritches on November 27, 2009, 05:55:17 AM
Don't forget a CPU fan and heat sink. Something from Zalman for preference. I have one that I can manually adjust the fan speed. It works really well. In any case, make sure you find one with a low decibel/high airflow rating. Also, a couple of fans for the case would be good. At least one in front and one in back. You might be able to use the ones from your old case.

endpcnoise.com (http://endpcnoise.com)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 27, 2009, 09:21:00 AM
Both of my hard drives just failed on me.  ALL of my important data was lost.       Everything.. Instead of crying about it, i decided to make the most out of it.  This seems as good a time as any to get a new setup, and step away for the 3 year old Dell.  So i mulled over the possibilities, and went to newegg.com, and tried to setup an new system.       Check it, and let me know if i might be missing something.:

With those 3 hard drives you'll want to either install them with an empty slot in between them or have a fan blowing over them (or both).  People forget how warm hard drives get while running, stack them together and they overheat.  Looks like there's a lot of drive slots in the case but it doesn't look like there's room for a front fan.   I like larger cases so you can spread stuff out and they usually have lots of places to put extra fans.

If you are not overclocking the fan and heat sink that come with the CPU should do to start, then monitor the temperatures and see if you need to upgrade.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on November 27, 2009, 09:38:15 AM
Sorry to hear that.  Coping with the loss of loved data is hard.

I'd sign up with some sort of online backup service.  AmandaGal turned me on to MozyHome backup.  It's $5.95 a month for unlimited storage.  Pretty easy to set up and use.  I haven't had to do any restores yet, but all my data appears to be up there on the Mozy services.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on November 27, 2009, 10:13:27 AM
The hard drive on my families dest top died.  Between this and my laptop we are now stuck with a 13 year old 233mhz,64 megs of ram,six gig hard drive packard bell.  Also I think this computer is loaded with spyware because no one makes anti spyware software for a windows 98 computer any more.  Man I hate computers.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 27, 2009, 10:29:19 AM
The hard drive on my families dest top died.  Between this and my laptop we are now stuck with a 13 year old 233mhz,64 megs of ram,six gig hard drive packard bell.  Also I think this computer is loaded with spyware because no one makes anti spyware software for a windows 98 computer any more.  Man I hate computers.
Why can't you just 'wipe' it and load XP on it ??? OR are we back to the 'F@*# Bill Gates' thing again? ::)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on November 27, 2009, 10:30:32 AM
The hard drive on my families dest top died.  Between this and my laptop we are now stuck with a 13 year old 233mhz,64 megs of ram,six gig hard drive packard bell.  Also I think this computer is loaded with spyware because no one makes anti spyware software for a windows 98 computer any more.  Man I hate computers.
Why can't you just 'wipe' it and load XP on it ??? OR are we back to the 'F@*# Bill Gates' thing again? ::)

Can a computer that ancient even handle XP?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MWolf on November 27, 2009, 10:31:31 AM
The hard drive on my families dest top died.  Between this and my laptop we are now stuck with a 13 year old 233mhz,64 megs of ram,six gig hard drive packard bell.  Also I think this computer is loaded with spyware because no one makes anti spyware software for a windows 98 computer any more.  Man I hate computers.
Why can't you just 'wipe' it and load XP on it ??? OR are we back to the 'F@*# Bill Gates' thing again? ::)

Can a computer that ancient even handle XP?

Even if it could it probably has some physical damage that would allow it to work until it hits the sector that is damaged. Then blue screen all over again  :P

Its black friday tho. You could pick up a better PC for 200$ with Windows Xp already loaded in. (Make sure its pro)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 27, 2009, 10:35:13 AM
The hard drive on my families dest top died.  Between this and my laptop we are now stuck with a 13 year old 233mhz,64 megs of ram,six gig hard drive packard bell.  Also I think this computer is loaded with spyware because no one makes anti spyware software for a windows 98 computer any more.  Man I hate computers.
Why can't you just 'wipe' it and load XP on it ??? OR are we back to the 'F@*# Bill Gates' thing again? ::)

Can a computer that ancient even handle XP?

Even if it could it probably has some physical damage that would allow it to work until it hits the sector that is damaged. Then blue screen all over again  :P

Its black friday tho. You could pick up a better PC for 200$ with Windows Xp already loaded in. (Make sure its pro)
True..
Doc, What you need is to Shop around and check out a Black Friday deals currently underway, and sell your soul to the devil so you have a decent machine >:D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on November 27, 2009, 10:39:50 AM
The only problem is we don't have $200 at the moment.  We are going to get a new harddrive for our newer computer but that will not be for a month or two untill then i am living in 1998.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 27, 2009, 10:45:14 AM
The only problem is we don't have $200 at the moment.  We are going to get a new harddrive for our newer computer but that will not be for a month or two untill then i am living in 1998.
Gees! :speechless:

I wish I had a spare laying around I'd send you but i'm using the 2 I had at my new satellite office starting in January :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on November 27, 2009, 11:34:39 AM
Thanks but i'll be fine.  Just have to get used to everything being realllllllllllyyyyy ssssssssssllllllloooooowwww.  Also I have to wait until I can get a ride into the library to order tickets to the rifftrax live christmas show(I don't dare use my credit card on a computer with this much spyware to mention the fact that the website will not load any way because i don't have the plug ins)so I just hope there are some tickets left when I get there.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hemansfuzzybritches on November 28, 2009, 03:33:08 AM
Thanks but i'll be fine.  Just have to get used to everything being realllllllllllyyyyy ssssssssssllllllloooooowwww.  Also I have to wait until I can get a ride into the library to order tickets to the rifftrax live christmas show(I don't dare use my credit card on a computer with this much spyware to mention the fact that the website will not load any way because i don't have the plug ins)so I just hope there are some tickets left when I get there.

Try Ubuntu or some other variant of Linux. It's free and I have a feeling it would run faster.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: hemansfuzzybritches on November 28, 2009, 07:19:51 AM
If you say so.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: spaceforarent on November 28, 2009, 08:49:48 AM
Nice one. I'm looking for that topic. I'm a newbie here. Thanks for sharing about that.
:spammer:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 28, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Nice one. I'm looking for that topic. I'm a newbie here. Thanks for sharing about that.
WE DON'T TAKE KINDLY TO YER KIND ROUND HERE!! :spammer:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 28, 2009, 12:41:06 PM
Nice one. I'm looking for that topic. I'm a newbie here. Thanks for sharing about that.
WE DON'T TAKE KINDLY TO YER KIND ROUND HERE!! :spammer:

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"Now RVR, he ain't hurtin nobody."
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on November 30, 2009, 08:59:24 AM
If you say so.

DVD burner/editing software? MS compatible office suites, including powerpoint? ANY videogames?  These are why I didn't go to linux.

Imrahil, your mind is way too limited.  You need to stop thinking of computers as tools accessible to the average Joe.  You need to come to the Linux side where security is more important than usability.  Only IT nerds should be using computers.  That's what makes us feel better than you.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on November 30, 2009, 04:42:16 PM
 :clap:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on November 30, 2009, 08:09:09 PM
My modular power supply overloaded or burnt out or something.  When I came home from work today the computer was shut down and it was buzzing.

A few weeks ago, the hard drive was clucking and it took 20 minutes of rebooting to get Windows to load.  Too many close calls.  I need to add the 450 Gb of Rifftrax ISO files to my backup scheme.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 30, 2009, 08:14:09 PM
Yeah Definitely! :o

I lost a monitor this evening on the wife's computer and luckily my I T connection has a spare he'll be dropping off in the morning 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on November 30, 2009, 08:25:12 PM
My modular power supply overloaded or burnt out or something.  When I came home from work today the computer was shut down and it was buzzing.

A few weeks ago, the hard drive was clucking and it took 20 minutes of rebooting to get Windows to load.  Too many close calls.  I need to add the 450 Gb of Rifftrax ISO files to my backup scheme.

Yeah, while doing research for my first custom build, the mantra i heard a lot was " Avoid modular like the plague".  

Well, after a week of tweaking the features that i wanted, here's my final build.( Even though i linked to NewEgg, i am getting them from a couple of different places)

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103010
Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402
Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674  
RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104141
Hard Drive:
OS Installation:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148397
Storage:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317
Power Supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152033

I'm looking at a 3 week wait,( getting parts in bundles at a time, financial reasons).  Hopefully, if i'm sucessful, and i don't fry anything setting it up, i'll take pictures.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on November 30, 2009, 08:31:18 PM
Cool setup! Definitely snap some pics when it's complete :o

Been a while since I did any builds, just maintaining what I got has been keeping my busy enough; 5 computers at my home office and 3 at our new satellite location has me hopping these days and will be during the upcoming tax season.. :speechless:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 30, 2009, 09:05:12 PM
Well, after a week of tweaking the features that i wanted, here's my final build.( Even though i linked to NewEgg, i am getting them from a couple of different places)

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103010

That's a cool looking case, might think about getting one of those myself and moving my current system into it.  Although it's 6 inches shorter than my current one so would not be as useful as a table...

Rest looks good, are you going to try running CrossfireX (2 ATI cards)?  Haven't really heard much about that vs. SLI.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on November 30, 2009, 10:19:18 PM
Well, after a week of tweaking the features that i wanted, here's my final build.( Even though i linked to NewEgg, i am getting them from a couple of different places)

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103010

Rest looks good, are you going to try running CrossfireX (2 ATI cards)?  Haven't really heard much about that vs. SLI.


Right now, I'm running a Radeon HD4670 that support Crossfire, so it something i was thinking about(though the card i have is made by VisionTek, which makes shitty fans, which, if you dial a couple of pages back, required me to glue a stock fan to replace it).  If i was going to get a new card, even two cards for Crossfire, i'd go with the 5750 or the 5770 with DDR5. 

My main goal for this build was to make it future-proof as possible, and the motherboard, along with the quadcore AMD, goes right along with that.

Quote
That's a cool looking case, might think about getting one of those myself and moving my current system into it.  Although it's 6 inches shorter than my current one so would not be as useful as a table...

The huge 250 Fan right on the Hard Drive bay is what sold me on that, along with the sidepanel fan right above the northbridge should go a long way in keeping the case cool enough without having to resort to extreme heatsink and cooling apparatus.  I don't overclock, so i shouldn't be worried.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: mrbasehart on December 01, 2009, 06:07:29 PM
I'd been having problems with surfing on the web for the past few weeks - links wouldn't load properly, some pages would just stop mid-way, and Youtube was a pain in the ass, with the progress bar saying it had downloaded the video but it pausing halfway through.  Lots of refreshing of pages was needed.  I ran virus scans, looked at the processes running to see if there was anything dodgy there, changed the password to my wireless network, updated practically every browser and browser application I use regularly and nothing... until I did a lot of checking on various tech websites and found that AVG's Linkscanner can cause things to run incredibly slowly, and sometimes not at all.  After disabling it and restarting the whole thing, the web's back to silky smooth normality, though about 5% less safe than I was before.  Though with the things I've got on here to defeat viruses, it shouldn't be a problem. 

Just thought I'd share in case other people have the same problem.  :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on December 01, 2009, 08:17:51 PM
Honestly, you're best off just spending the money for Kaspersky and being done with it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MSTJedi on December 01, 2009, 08:19:04 PM
You know, I've been wondering why IE was so much slower than Google Chrome . . . now I know. I wasn't having quite the troubles you were, but it was a little sluggish on loading new pages and whatnot.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on December 15, 2009, 04:03:23 PM
Just completed my order from Newegg!  Hope to have all the stuff here by Saturday at the lastest.  After futzing with different parts and the myriad combo deals the site has(that change every week, which is why the build is a bit different)

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103010 

Power Supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817189016

Screw it!  I don't have any immediate plans to run CrossFire/SLI, but i do plan to in the future, as well as buy more HDs in the future, so i wanted to make sure this build is future-proof as possible.

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674

I decided to spring for a faster processor, so i went with the new Phenom AMD. Plus it got it cheaper by bundling it with the MOBO.

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

OS Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148511
Storage Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433

I had originally planned to get 2 WD 1TB HDs, but the place that i was planning on buying them from no longer had the sale price i was looking for, so i guess i'll mkae due with just 1TB ;)

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 15, 2009, 04:09:07 PM
I've been frustrated with an older ATI tv tuner card that I need the correct drivers for cause the ones I have from another computer won't work on my computer in Mexico :angry:
Once I can get a reliable lan-line connection to that computer I'll call ATI tech support for help :(
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on December 15, 2009, 07:20:08 PM
If you say so.

DVD burner/editing software? MS compatible office suites, including powerpoint? ANY videogames?  These are why I didn't go to linux.

i know this is a reply to a slightly old post, but it does indeed use an ms compatible suites, namely open office, which i use for both my desktop/entertainment (windows) comp as well as my netbook.  however, it don't have burning software as far as i know and it is a bit of a pain in the ass sometimes (only sometimes, when i need to set something up, which is rare in itself), so i stick with windows primarily with ubuntu being my writing computer :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on December 15, 2009, 07:28:12 PM
I've been frustrated with an older ATI tv tuner card that I need the correct drivers for cause the ones I have from another computer won't work on my computer in Mexico :angry:
Once I can get a reliable lan-line connection to that computer I'll call ATI tech support for help :(

yeah i dont bother keeping the driver disks for my things, though they do float around if i need them for emergencies.  however, if i dont have a good high speed connection, then i will be in trouble if i have to start over  :speechless: :scared:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 15, 2009, 07:35:25 PM
ATI even says not to load the drivers on the disc supplied..
They always direct me to the 'drivers and downloads' link instead and tell me what order to load them ..
I just hope they're still available for this card :scared:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 15, 2009, 10:32:15 PM
FINALLY!!!
I got it to work!! :highfive:

Luckily, I saved several sets of drivers and found the 'right sequence' and the ATI TV tuner works!
I can Finally rest a bit 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on December 15, 2009, 10:33:59 PM
aren't comps fun? :P always making you get new shit to make it work :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 15, 2009, 10:52:16 PM
ATI has Always made their shit complicated ::)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 17, 2009, 07:09:32 PM
Looks like Windows 7 is becoming 'Vista: Phase II'.. :scared:
http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/09/technology/windows_7_problems/index.htm

Yeah, I'm stickin with XP Pro for a while longer.. ::)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on December 17, 2009, 07:42:44 PM
only real reason why i would want to upgrade was if i had the money to get a multitouch monitor (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-1172) which would be awesome for an htpc set-up w/out a keyboard, but i can't really rationalize spending the money on the monitor, plus the win 7 upgrade when all i really need is a monitor, which i got :P (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-1070) which i got on a black friday/cyber monday deal :D.  one issue that i have with both monitors is that neither has vesa mounting capabilities,so i can't put either of them on an arm of some sort and clear up my desk, but i digress...my monitor is pretty frigging big :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 17, 2009, 07:50:10 PM
Sweet!! :o
If it doesn't work out, just back-track to XP Pro and you still have the sweet monitor :D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on December 17, 2009, 07:57:56 PM
naw i have vista 64 bit and it's fine for me, just the multitouch capabilities were really only available in win 7, though only thing i wish my monitor had was an integrated webcam/duel microphones like the multitouch one does, but neither is necessary :P ...except if i become a webcam "professional" ;)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: spaceforarent on December 18, 2009, 12:24:41 AM
Looks like Windows 7 is becoming 'Vista: Phase II'.. :scared:
http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/09/technology/windows_7_problems/index.htm

Yeah, I'm stickin with XP Pro for a while longer.. ::)
I haven't had any trouble with 7 at all. I don't think it's even crashed once for me, so far. But then again, I never really had much trouble with vista either.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 18, 2009, 06:35:58 AM
Yeah and the article even says that once you get past the upgrade bugs it4 pretty smooth sailing and those that bought their system with Windows 7 already installed reported the least amount of issues so we'll see how things go as time goes on..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 18, 2009, 07:28:25 AM
Hey quick question.  Does the avi video format go by any other names like MP4 is sometimes called iPod video?  If so are the rifftrax shorts released in avi format?  If not is there any program that will convert the files to avi format?  Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 18, 2009, 07:31:31 AM
Hey quick question.  Does the avi video format go by any other names like MP4 is sometimes called iPod video?  If so are the rifftrax shorts released in avi format?  If not is there any program that will convert the files to avi format?  Thanks.
DVD Flick converts to AVI, and so does YouTube Downloader 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on December 19, 2009, 01:38:41 AM
DONE!!!

Here i am, typing away on my new custom built computer.  While that not might mean that much to some of you, this is my first DIY build, and barring a few hiccups( the ram sticks were not fully locked in the first time i powered up the system, and when going to installing OS, my video card's rigged-up fan fell off, which required me to drill the damn thing into place), the whole thing went off without a hitch. 

To reiterate, here's the Specs:

XCLIO A380BK ATX Full Tower Computer Case
XCLIO STABLEPOWER 1000W 1000W ATX SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard
ATI Radeon HD 4670 1GB GDDR3 Video Card
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12  160GB 7200 RPM ( For the OS)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12  1TB 7200 RPM ( for storage)
(The Optical Drive, i have no idea, i had a stack of them boxed up, so i grabbed it)

And i'm running Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Edition.

All i can Say is, "WOW!"  Going from a Athlon Dual-Core 2.6Ghz , to a Quad-core, is like night and day!  Windows 7 took about almost 2 minutes to startup on my old Dell Dimension, while it takes barely 20 seconds to startup on this system. 


And, of course the ubiquitious pics:

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/HPIM0356.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/HPIM0357.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/HPIM0358.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/HPIM0359.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/HPIM0360.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/HPIM0364.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/HPIM0367.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/HPIM0368.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/HPIM0371.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/HPIM0372.jpg)

And my old Dell,
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/HPIM0378.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 19, 2009, 06:24:44 AM
Hells Yeah!! :o

That's one big ass fan! :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 19, 2009, 08:39:14 AM
Are the LEDs just for "wow" factor or do they serve a purpose?
I'm sure they're just for show..
Mine have no real purpose what so ever - except to serve as a nightlight in a dark house :D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 19, 2009, 01:11:08 PM
Are the LEDs just for "wow" factor or do they serve a purpose?
I'm sure they're just for show..
Mine have no real purpose what so ever - except to serve as a nightlight in a dark house :D

Gotcha. Didn't know if they lit up some element or something so you could keep an eye on it.

They often shine the LEDs on the fan blades, so I guess it would give you a visual clue if the fan stopped running, but it's really just for a cool look.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 07:21:34 AM
I have to quick questions. 

1)are there any free programs out there that would let me rip the audio from a DvD and turn it into an MP3 file that i could play on my player?

2)how do you turn off the updates on XP?  They are slowing my dial up connection to almost nothing.

Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 20, 2009, 07:27:43 AM
1) Not sure of anything free but Pinnacle I believe can do that but I wanna say dvd flick might do that ..

2) I'd let XP do its updates so you don't run into problems down the road, but if you go to the control panel and go to 'security' you have the option to change the update settings
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 07:30:05 AM
Thanks I tried them both and they only rip the video and audio together they don't let you get the audio off of the disc.  Every program I have tried either doesn't do it or cost $50 to $100 for a file that is only few MBs in size and don't do anything else.  I wish there was a cheaper or free option.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 10:56:19 AM
Every program I find I spend two hours downloading only to have it tell be when I launch the program that I can't use it until pay $100 or sign up for some monthly bill.  What program do those of you who reauther use for this type of thing?  I am willing to pay just not huge amounts of money.  If you ask me a program should not be allowed to be called free on the website only to have it try and hit you with a fee that the website said nothing about when you start it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 20, 2009, 11:05:04 AM
Thanks I tried them both and they only rip the video and audio together they don't let you get the audio off of the disc.  Every program I have tried either doesn't do it or cost $50 to $100 for a file that is only few MBs in size and don't do anything else.  I wish there was a cheaper or free option.

If I understand what you're trying to do correctly, you can rip the DVD using DVDFab or Decrypter and take the resulting AC3 audio file and convert it to MP3 using BeSweet/Belight. When you rip, you will get the VOB video files, but you can just toss them.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 11:14:47 AM
Okay,Thanks!

That will be a big help.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 20, 2009, 12:46:25 PM
Cool! I $ight try those as well :O
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 20, 2009, 01:30:19 PM
I need to do that with my Beavis and Butthead collection :D :D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 02:02:53 PM
DvD audio extractor is doing the trick,thanks.

I am now ripping all of the episodes and movies of Monty Python so i can listen to them while I walk and work.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 20, 2009, 02:10:35 PM
Now I know what to use when I get home :O
Thanks as well ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 03:55:46 PM
Hum.  I have try a few discs and every time the speed that the MP3 file plays at chances all the time so that the MP3 is unusable.  In the end several lines and sounds from different points in the track are playing at once,and the track just seems to skip to random points in the track.  Anyone run into this and know what to do? 

One more thing i would like to hear from people who know on.  i have heard that MACs give you less troble then PCs when it comes to video and audio editing.  Is this true,or is it just something made up by Apple's marketing department?  I would just like to know because if it when it is time to get a new computer that may well tip the scales in a MACs favor for me.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 04:22:53 PM
Never mind I figured it out.  I had DvD43 running in the background,as soon as I exited it everything started working fine.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on December 20, 2009, 08:49:36 PM
Hum.  I have try a few discs and every time the speed that the MP3 file plays at chances all the time so that the MP3 is unusable.  In the end several lines and sounds from different points in the track are playing at once,and the track just seems to skip to random points in the track.  Anyone run into this and know what to do? 

One more thing i would like to hear from people who know on.  i have heard that MACs give you less troble then PCs when it comes to video and audio editing.  Is this true,or is it just something made up by Apple's marketing department?  I would just like to know because if it when it is time to get a new computer that may well tip the scales in a MACs favor for me.

While Mac OSX is technically a more stable operating system, you'll definitely be paying for a premium try to purchase one.  You can get a PC with comparable specs for nearly half the price of a iMac or Mac Pro.  You're looking at $1200 for the cheapest Mac.  Not to mention being able to upgrade your PC down the line, and the wide availability of PC components. For some, going Mac is an option, but quite honestly, the differences between the two now are almost negligible.  Hell, if you do what i did, you can build the system yourself and save even more money.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 22, 2009, 10:05:26 PM
Ok I figured out what is wrong with my laptop and if anyone knows of anything that can be done please tell me.  My laptop only has one fan and it is over heating to the point that it shuts down.  Anyone here know if there is anything that can be done about this?  Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 22, 2009, 11:00:00 PM
Ok I figured out what is wrong with my laptop and if anyone knows of anything that can be done please tell me.  My laptop only has one fan and it is over heating to the point that it shuts down.  Anyone here know if there is anything that can be done about this?  Thanks.

I can think of two things you might want to try. First, make sure to blow out any accumulated dust and lint using a canister of compressed air. Next, create some airflow by placing the laptop on something like a grated baking cooling tray like this:

(http://www.foodutensils.com.au/images/361LLP56124_Cooling_Grate_Rectangular.jpg)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 23, 2009, 07:20:18 AM
So there was a Blackberry outage last night according to a CNN article that affected 100% of its customers in North America from accessing the internet or receiving emails.. Really ??? Cause I didn't notice a thing and was posting on the forum with no troubles at all from here in Mexico :O
Still haven't been able to receive emails for more than 5 days but I can receive those on my laptop 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on December 23, 2009, 06:38:44 PM
to help with your overheating problems, doc, you can always get a laptop cooler like these (http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1261622192/ref=sr_nr_seeall_1?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywords=laptop%20cooling%20pad&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Alaptop%20cooling%20pad%2Ci%3Aelectronics) i know my netbook gets a bit more hot on my lap and it probably isn't too good for it, so i'm looking into getting one. 
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 23, 2009, 09:11:08 PM
to help with your overheating problems, doc, you can always get a laptop cooler like these (http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1261622192/ref=sr_nr_seeall_1?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywords=laptop%20cooling%20pad&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Alaptop%20cooling%20pad%2Ci%3Aelectronics) i know my netbook gets a bit more hot on my lap and it probably isn't too good for it, so i'm looking into getting one. 

Thanks.  until i have the money Iwill try the cookie cooler,i do a lot of baking so i have some laying around.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 23, 2009, 09:30:55 PM
to help with your overheating problems, doc, you can always get a laptop cooler like these (http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1261622192/ref=sr_nr_seeall_1?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywords=laptop%20cooling%20pad&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Alaptop%20cooling%20pad%2Ci%3Aelectronics) i know my netbook gets a bit more hot on my lap and it probably isn't too good for it, so i'm looking into getting one. 

Thanks.  until i have the money Iwill try the cookie cooler,i do a lot of baking so i have some laying around.
They also make Great Snow Sleds if you don't happen to have a real one :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on December 23, 2009, 09:47:25 PM
to help with your overheating problems, doc, you can always get a laptop cooler like these (http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1261622192/ref=sr_nr_seeall_1?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywords=laptop%20cooling%20pad&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Alaptop%20cooling%20pad%2Ci%3Aelectronics) i know my netbook gets a bit more hot on my lap and it probably isn't too good for it, so i'm looking into getting one. 

Thanks.  until i have the money Iwill try the cookie cooler,i do a lot of baking so i have some laying around.
They also make Great Snow Sleds if you don't happen to have a real one :P

No, that's a cookie sheet, not a cooling rack.  Cooling racks would make spectacularly bad sleds.
OOOHH... ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on December 24, 2009, 10:44:17 AM
to help with your overheating problems, doc, you can always get a laptop cooler like these (http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1261622192/ref=sr_nr_seeall_1?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywords=laptop%20cooling%20pad&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Alaptop%20cooling%20pad%2Ci%3Aelectronics) i know my netbook gets a bit more hot on my lap and it probably isn't too good for it, so i'm looking into getting one. 

Thanks.  until i have the money Iwill try the cookie cooler,i do a lot of baking so i have some laying around.
They also make Great Snow Sleds if you don't happen to have a real one :P

No, that's a cookie sheet, not a cooling rack.  Cooling racks would make spectacularly bad sleds.
OOOHH... ;D
shhhh, quiet, i want to see him try it :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 03, 2010, 07:33:44 AM
Ok, I've been having some wierd issues with my old computer I brought here to Mexico a couple years back..
It freezes up after a few minutes when it activates the picture screensaver, along with when I try to shut it down, and now it won't even shut down; it just restarts by itself even though I selected the 'turn off' button..

I discovered last night from a scan disc that the hard drive where I save my pictures is getting errors and even produced a 'blue screen' :scared:

What would cause these issues??
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on January 03, 2010, 08:28:56 AM
Just to let you know after over a week the cookie sheet is working out great.  My laptop has not overheated once and it was free!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 03, 2010, 10:01:13 AM
:D :D

Well my issue is pointing to a failing hard drive so I'm copying all the files off to another hard drive on the computer and will be removing said failing hard drive this afternoon in preps for taking it back to the states for warranty replacement 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 03, 2010, 09:52:50 PM
GARGH!!
ATI TV wonder cards are so damn finiky :grr:
Since I pulled the failing hard drive out, the TV fails to initialize! This has happened Every Time I lost a hard drive and I have to uninstall it completely, then reinstall the damn driver set all over again, along with reloading all the channels!  ::)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: spaceforarent on January 07, 2010, 10:33:46 AM
Well in the excitement of setting up my new tv my laptop took a bit of a tumble and now won't boot up. Running a start up repair now, hoping that fixes it. Taking a long time though

Update: Success! I'll run it again just to make sure everything is A-OK. That was pretty worrying for a while though.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on January 31, 2010, 08:20:39 AM
OK this might be more an Office Furniture Thread type question really but we don;'t have one of those and I'm not going to make one just to ask this.

So I'm looking to set up a little editing station at home and I would like to basically place my computer, the inputs for my computer plus the monitors (both visual and audio) on and around a desk while I have my mouse and keyboard on either side of me in a nice easy chair with a wireless connection between them (it can take a long time to finagle dialog tracks just right for example so I'd like to be comfy).

Thing is I need to find some sort of swig arm platforms for the keyboard and the expert mouse I use (I use the keyboard with my left hand the mouse with my right) but I can't seem to find something like that. Anyone have any suggestions where to find something like that?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 31, 2010, 08:25:22 AM
Uh... Wow..  :o
If none of the office supply stores has anything you prefer, ya'might wanna consider custom building something like that.. :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on January 31, 2010, 08:27:45 AM
Already at that point

I was asking for suggestions of things to use to do that.

Look, here's a wishlist I did on Amazon to put the idea together. (http://www.amazon.com/wishlist/3IVULL1R5PWCB/ref=cm_wl_rlist_go)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on January 31, 2010, 08:34:35 AM
Already at that point

I was asking for suggestions of things to use to do that.

Look, here's a wishlist I did on Amazon to put the idea together. (http://www.amazon.com/wishlist/3IVULL1R5PWCB/ref=cm_wl_rlist_go)
Huh.. Cool! :o
I have to go to my plaza location (12:00 EST) so if I think of something, I'll let ya know..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on January 31, 2010, 09:43:31 AM
check out laptop desks, like this one (http://www.amazon.com/Cherry-Finish-Adjustable-Notebook-Computer/dp/B000TTLJXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=office-products&qid=1264959684&sr=1-2) it's only recently that i have an actual desk set up for my computer, so i know all about what you're trying to accomplish.  i have a logitech bluetooth keyboard and mouse combo (currently connected to my ps3) so that was how i did it with mine.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on January 31, 2010, 01:17:10 PM
check out laptop desks
It still centralizes the keyboard which isn't what I want really.

So you want kind of a Captain Kirk chair?
That's pretty much right on the money. :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on January 31, 2010, 01:41:51 PM
Wicked, though actually I don't need the board to be split, I use (mostly) one handed hot-key operation and trackball scrolling so what I need is one larger platform to my left for the keyboard and smaller one for the expert mouse on my right.

I bookmarked that since I think it contains the basic method for creating what I'm looking for. :)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on January 31, 2010, 01:53:31 PM
For any writing I do (which is still easier on a PC) I'd maybe use one of those. I used to have a full sized fold-out board for my laptop at work.

Non standard keyboards are often far more fun to use.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: D.B. Barnes on February 10, 2010, 12:00:42 PM
Well, 18 hours later I'm still trying to fix this damn trojan that redirects my google searches.  The fucker blocks the installation of the malware removal tool AND the website from which to download said tool.  I have a few more avenues to try, and then I'm going to give up and do a wipe and re-install of windows.

 :grr:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 10, 2010, 12:51:13 PM
Well, 18 hours later I'm still trying to fix this damn trojan that redirects my google searches.  The fucker blocks the installation of the malware removal tool AND the website from which to download said tool.  I have a few more avenues to try, and then I'm going to give up and do a wipe and re-install of windows.

They are getting better at hiding the processes, and restarting them after you kill them.  That's how they block programs like Malwarebytes from running.  I just got hit with that lousy "security center 2010" malware, spent 3 hours last night getting rid of it and several more today fixing the problems it created.  Nasty POS.  Still have something wrong with the registry, get BSOD if I search certain parts of it.

I'm done with norton since it doesn't seem to catch any of this stuff, going to try AVG 9.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on February 10, 2010, 01:25:41 PM
Well, 18 hours later I'm still trying to fix this damn trojan that redirects my google searches.  The fucker blocks the installation of the malware removal tool AND the website from which to download said tool.  I have a few more avenues to try, and then I'm going to give up and do a wipe and re-install of windows.
This is why the creation of those things should be a capital offense.

Just string up the little feckers.

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on February 10, 2010, 01:29:07 PM
Nope the little shites aren't motivated by doing something useful.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jewishcarpenter on February 10, 2010, 02:27:10 PM
Nope the little shites aren't motivated by doing something useful.
They are after they get popped by the authorities. I know a few that either are helping to fight against what they used to do or stopped messing with computers altogether which kinda blows my mind.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on February 10, 2010, 07:10:42 PM
So, string up the little feckers then?  ;)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on February 10, 2010, 11:45:11 PM
Well, 18 hours later I'm still trying to fix this damn trojan that redirects my google searches.  The fucker blocks the installation of the malware removal tool AND the website from which to download said tool.  I have a few more avenues to try, and then I'm going to give up and do a wipe and re-install of windows.

I'd give Kaspersky a shot.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 11, 2010, 08:05:38 AM
Well, 18 hours later I'm still trying to fix this damn trojan that redirects my google searches.  The fucker blocks the installation of the malware removal tool AND the website from which to download said tool.  I have a few more avenues to try, and then I'm going to give up and do a wipe and re-install of windows.

I'd give Kaspersky a shot.

Kaspersky Antivirus or Kaspersky Internet Security?  I've been using Kaspersky Antivirus for two years now, and just renewed my license for another three.  I'm happy with it, but I'm strongly considering adding in Kaspersky Internet Security, though I wonder if that would be overkill.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on February 11, 2010, 10:09:52 AM
Well, 18 hours later I'm still trying to fix this damn trojan that redirects my google searches.  The fucker blocks the installation of the malware removal tool AND the website from which to download said tool.  I have a few more avenues to try, and then I'm going to give up and do a wipe and re-install of windows.

I'd give Kaspersky a shot.

Kaspersky Antivirus or Kaspersky Internet Security?  I've been using Kaspersky Antivirus for two years now, and just renewed my license for another three.  I'm happy with it, but I'm strongly considering adding in Kaspersky Internet Security, though I wonder if that would be overkill.

You're probably fine with Antivirus.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 12, 2010, 10:10:12 AM
My new video card came in yesterday.  It's bigger than I thought it would be o_O

Newegg shipped it to me, of course, in an oversized box with all those fucking packing peanuts.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 12, 2010, 06:27:44 PM
most good ones i've found have discrete fans for them, but if you just want a basic one, then i would check out newegg.com for ones that only have heat sinks, imrahil.  i've seen some decent ones there as well as fans that fit into your expansion slots at the back of your computer that would also help with the heating issue.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 13, 2010, 09:38:16 AM
the one's i've seen dont take up actual motherboard slots, just computer case slots...i dont know how quiet they are though, but you just plug a cord into your motherboard and that's that
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 13, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
the one's i've seen dont take up actual motherboard slots, just computer case slots...i dont know how quiet they are though, but you just plug a cord into your motherboard and that's that

Interesting. I don't know if I have any power slots open on the motherboard at this point. I'm only computer literate at a third grade level.

There's all different kinds of graphics card coolers, most of the ones that go into a case slot next to the card have adapters so you can either plug them into an extra fan port on the motherboard, or plug them into an extra power cable from the power supply (the ones that go to the drives).

If you want high resolution most of the new cards now are double wide (blow the air out of the slot next to the card) and have fans similar to a CPU coolers built in, better quality than the little ones they used to put on.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 14, 2010, 07:46:24 PM
they have passive cooled (read: heat-sinked) cards available, but idk about how good they are in the long run...

apparently there are some pretty good ones out there too, but look at the reviews first.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1305520549+1295318921&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=48&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc= (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1305520549+1295318921&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=48&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=)

i chose ati brand cause i prefer them more and they supposedly do video better, but it's easy enough to check out nvidia too.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 14, 2010, 09:34:00 PM
idk, like i said i've always had ati, cept when i had a voodoo card a decade ago :P so i wouldn't know. 
Title: Missing Disk Space.
Post by: Droosies on February 20, 2010, 04:41:46 PM
My computer has 2 hard drives, both 150 GB.  On my secondary one, I have all my Rifftrax and music.  My Rifftrax folder is currently at 60 GB and my music folder is at 46.4 GB.  Simple math tells me that's 106.4 GB.  Now on a 150 GB HD, that should mean 44 GB left, however, for some reason I can't finish making an ISO file of Beowulf because I've run out of disk space.  I've tried defragmenting, but that does nothing.  I do Disk Cleanup, and it says I'd gain nothing in hard drive space.  What I think is happening is some of the VOB files from my numerous Rifftrax reauditings aren't fully deleting.  How can I get in there and fully delete them and clear up all that disk space?

(I realize this is probably the wrong forum, but I figure anyone here is a serious techie, and I'm a complete computer illiterate, so hopefully someone can help me here regardless).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 20, 2010, 05:01:03 PM
Ok here is what is happening with me.  I am spelling my password right,it is the right password,I have my cookies turned on and everything and still Gmail keeps asking for my password and telling me the password I am entering is wrong.  I know i am putting in the right password.  Has anyone else had this trouble while checking their Gmail?  Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 20, 2010, 05:16:24 PM
Ok here is what is happening with me.  I am spelling my password right,it is the right password,I have my cookies turned on and everything and still Gmail keeps asking for my password and telling me the password I am entering is wrong.  I know i am putting in the right password.  Has anyone else had this trouble while checking their Gmail?  Thanks.
A lot of Gmail accounts were recently Hacked by the Chinese .. I think..

Not saying yours was hacked but that sure doesn't sound normal to me :scared:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 20, 2010, 06:54:09 PM
Ok I entered the password again one hour latter and this time it worked.  I can't explain what happened.

What do the Chinese think they are going to learn from our Gmail accounts any way?  How many offers for penis pills we get a day?  What Netflix is shipping to us?  How great aunt Ruth is doing?  Yeah that is really worth going to the trouble of hacking for.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on February 20, 2010, 09:52:13 PM
They hacked the accounts of Chinese dissidents, it's a major part of why Google is threatening to pull out of China.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 20, 2010, 10:09:54 PM
Wow.  I know they shoot people and run them over with tanks but i would never have guested that they would stoop to hacking.  They should be ashamed of themselves.  It's getting so you can't even trust dictatorships any more.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on February 20, 2010, 10:13:53 PM
China is one of the most important economies in the world, trust has nothing to do with why people do business with China.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 20, 2010, 10:53:37 PM
Sorry I can't help but see the funny side of this.  Complaining about China acting like a dictatorship is like complaining about the sky being blue.
Title: Re: Missing Disk Space.
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 20, 2010, 10:55:46 PM
My computer has 2 hard drives, both 150 GB.  On my secondary one, I have all my Rifftrax and music.  My Rifftrax folder is currently at 60 GB and my music folder is at 46.4 GB.  Simple math tells me that's 106.4 GB.  Now on a 150 GB HD, that should mean 44 GB left, however, for some reason I can't finish making an ISO file of Beowulf because I've run out of disk space.  I've tried defragmenting, but that does nothing.  I do Disk Cleanup, and it says I'd gain nothing in hard drive space.  What I think is happening is some of the VOB files from my numerous Rifftrax reauditings aren't fully deleting.  How can I get in there and fully delete them and clear up all that disk space?

(I realize this is probably the wrong forum, but I figure anyone here is a serious techie, and I'm a complete computer illiterate, so hopefully someone can help me here regardless).
generally, the actual amount of storage on the disk is less than what it says, i've found.  like my 500 gb hd actually comes up as 465gb.  oh and you can get a larger hd for cheap now a days.  a 1tb is less than $100 and so on. :P even the external ones are pretty cheap if you dont feel comfy opening up your comp and messing with it.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on February 21, 2010, 05:31:50 AM
Sorry I can't help but see the funny side of this.  Complaining about China acting like a dictatorship is like complaining about the sky being blue.

Eh? Who's seeing a funny side to anything?

The sky isn't blue.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 21, 2010, 05:33:40 AM

The sky isn't blue.
There's no dark side of the Moon really.. In fact, it's all dark.. :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on February 21, 2010, 05:36:55 AM
Exactly, the sky only appears to be blue due to the frequency of the light that is filtered through it at other time is can appear to be a whole host of other colours.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 21, 2010, 05:39:59 AM
Exactly, the sky only appears to be blue due to the frequency of the light that is filtered through it at other time is can appear to be a whole host of other colours.
Like Fuchsia and Lilac, and blueberry and lemon and tangerine, and cherry, etc.. You get the picture :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 21, 2010, 08:48:24 AM
Exactly, the sky only appears to be blue due to the frequency of the light that is filtered through it at other time is can appear to be a whole host of other colours.
Like Fuchsia and Lilac, and blueberry and lemon and tangerine, and cherry, etc.. You get the picture :P

You hungry, RVR?
Yeah, a lil'bit.. Skittles will suffice  ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 21, 2010, 09:38:57 AM
ive tasted the rainbow and now i am extra hungry, thanks a bunch :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 21, 2010, 10:28:41 AM
Exactly, the sky only appears to be blue due to the frequency of the light that is filtered through it at other time is can appear to be a whole host of other colours.

Technically speaking, the blue color is the short wavelengths of sun light being scattered by the atmosphere.  The yellow color of the sun is from filtering.  Without the atmosphere the sun would appear white.  Add refraction along with those 2 for the colors at sunset and sunrise.  Carry on......
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 21, 2010, 10:44:47 AM
Exactly, the sky only appears to be blue due to the frequency of the light that is filtered through it at other time is can appear to be a whole host of other colours.

  Add refraction along with those 2 for the colors at sunset and sunrise......
Add a dirty atmosphere for the red and orange colors at these times  8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 21, 2010, 11:20:56 AM
Exactly, the sky only appears to be blue due to the frequency of the light that is filtered through it at other time is can appear to be a whole host of other colours.

  Add refraction along with those 2 for the colors at sunset and sunrise......
Add a dirty atmosphere for the red and orange colors at these times  8)

The rise/set colors are pretty complicated, that's why they change so much.  Dust and other particles do both scattering and diffraction.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on February 21, 2010, 11:22:19 AM
Exactly, the sky only appears to be blue due to the frequency of the light that is filtered through it at other time is can appear to be a whole host of other colours.

  Add refraction along with those 2 for the colors at sunset and sunrise......
Add a dirty atmosphere for the red and orange colors at these times  8)

The rise/set colors are pretty complicated, that's why they change so much.  Dust and other particles do both scattering and diffraction.

I Knew you were Cool.. 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on February 21, 2010, 02:24:30 PM
Exactly, the sky only appears to be blue due to the frequency of the light that is filtered through it at other time is can appear to be a whole host of other colours.

Technically speaking, the blue color is the short wavelengths of sun light being scattered by the atmosphere.  The yellow color of the sun is from filtering.  Without the atmosphere the sun would appear white.  Add refraction along with those 2 for the colors at sunset and sunrise.  Carry on......

But I'm not talking technically, I'm merely explaining that the concept of the sky being blue is incorrect.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 21, 2010, 11:04:35 PM
Exactly, the sky only appears to be blue due to the frequency of the light that is filtered through it at other time is can appear to be a whole host of other colours.

Technically speaking, the blue color is the short wavelengths of sun light being scattered by the atmosphere.  The yellow color of the sun is from filtering.  Without the atmosphere the sun would appear white.  Add refraction along with those 2 for the colors at sunset and sunrise.  Carry on......

But I'm not talking technically, I'm merely explaining that the concept of the sky being blue is incorrect.

Wait a minute, if you're not speaking technically, then the sky is what ever color it is when you look at it....  Would that be speaking phenomenologically?  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 21, 2010, 11:51:42 PM
but, what if you're colorblind? then the sky is not blue to you :D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Tripe on February 22, 2010, 04:29:38 AM
Exactly, the sky only appears to be blue due to the frequency of the light that is filtered through it at other time is can appear to be a whole host of other colours.
Technically speaking, the blue color is the short wavelengths of sun light being scattered by the atmosphere.  The yellow color of the sun is from filtering.  Without the atmosphere the sun would appear white.  Add refraction along with those 2 for the colors at sunset and sunrise.  Carry on......
But I'm not talking technically, I'm merely explaining that the concept of the sky being blue is incorrect.
Wait a minute, if you're not speaking technically, then the sky is what ever color it is when you look at it....  Would that be speaking phenomenologically?  :P ;) ;D
No,it wouldn't.

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on February 22, 2010, 03:15:37 PM
GGGGAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!

My upstairs computer keeps locking up! From start up it works for about 30 minutes and with no warning, no error message, no nothing, it just locks up and will not budge. Upstairs is where my cable modem is, and it's patched through a wireless router to the computer. Downstairs I have a wireless card in that computer and it has been working flawlessly for months to send the internet downstairs. XP SP3 on both computers.

So last night I decided to set up a wireless LAN between the two computers. I really had no idea what I was doing. I went through the "Wireless Network Wizard" using a flash drive. I followed all the steps, but when I finished, there was nothing different. I looked for the shared drive that I had set up, and it just wasn't there. That's when the upstairs computer started locking up. I initially thought it was Mozilla that was doing it, because I was on the internet the first two times it happened, but the subsequent five times that it has happened I wasn't.

I've tried running Nortons virus scans. Still locks up. I tried TuneUp Utilities 2009, still locks up. I tried defragmenting, still locks up. I tried 6 different restore points, "Restore Incomplete try another". I tried looking for the wireless network I may or may not have set up in "Network Connections" on both computers and in the respective Device Managers, can't find it.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on February 22, 2010, 04:35:40 PM
I would not be surprised to discover that your video card is overheating. Check that.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on February 22, 2010, 04:46:49 PM
Thanks beenie. I'll check to see if that's the problem. Should I just set my fan at a higher speed with the ATI tool or do you have a different recommendation?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on February 22, 2010, 05:05:09 PM
I'd check and see if the fan is locked up.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 22, 2010, 07:29:30 PM
and if you want to have a shared network drive i got a wireless router that does that or you can get an network attached storage thingy, that way you dont have to bugger out in the network tools thingy
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 22, 2010, 10:34:57 PM
I'd also check for a lot of dust on the CPU cooler fins.  Had a guy at work bring his PC to me once because it was slowing down and locking up, under the fan the heat exchanger was a solid mass of dust.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 25, 2010, 07:38:42 AM
It's doing it again! I am not signing out but every time I go to check my Gmail it asks me to sign in and it refuses to accept my password,then a few hours latter it will accept it.  Ah!  This is getting insane and I can't get help from Gmail because I can't sign into Gmail.  Are there any services out there for email that are good and not connected with google in any way.  The only computer based product I have ever used that is worse then Gmail are Vista and Hughesnet.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 25, 2010, 08:31:04 AM
Ok I'll give that a try,thanks!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 25, 2010, 08:33:44 AM
I just installed a new video card, an ATI Radeon HD 4770.  It makes these intermittent revving noises.  It's very constant and very periodic.  It's like the fan will rev up to full power for about 2 seconds, then shut off for 10 more.  It does this constantly and the noise is driving me nuts.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 25, 2010, 11:03:05 AM
I just installed a new video card, an ATI Radeon HD 4770.  It makes these intermittent revving noises.  It's very constant and very periodic.  It's like the fan will rev up to full power for about 2 seconds, then shut off for 10 more.  It does this constantly and the noise is driving me nuts.

My family's first computer did that and it drove me insane.  Still that computer still works today while three other computers we bought after it broke down and couldn't be fixed so maybe there is a good reason for loud fans.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 25, 2010, 11:43:43 AM
well turning off the monitor wouldn't really do anything for an overheating vid card, i would think, its just the receptacle, while the source is still outputting the signal, but i digress...fans are annoying sometimes :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 25, 2010, 12:00:07 PM
ah lol that yeah...just ignore my previous statement then :P and im have you checked out that site i sent you?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 25, 2010, 12:46:02 PM
ah lol that yeah...just ignore my previous statement then :P and im have you checked out that site i sent you?

Newegg? Yeah, I looked, but not seriously.  I'm still waiting for next month to roll around so I have some money.

i know all about that, money is great isn't it? too bad no one has too much of it :P i want/need to get a new cell phone (my current one has been dropped a few times and doesnt ring consistently, etc), but can't cause of the same problem
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 25, 2010, 01:37:12 PM
Newegg is nice, except for those fucking styrofoam packing peanuts they fill their boxes with.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on February 25, 2010, 09:49:07 PM
people still use packing peanuts? :P everything i get comes with those air balloons or something else
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on February 26, 2010, 02:24:38 AM
I just installed a new video card, an ATI Radeon HD 4770.  It makes these intermittent revving noises.  It's very constant and very periodic.  It's like the fan will rev up to full power for about 2 seconds, then shut off for 10 more.  It does this constantly and the noise is driving me nuts.

I bought a Radeon HD 4670 about a year ago and i had the same problem.  Even after i returned it, a couple months later the new card did the same thing.  I was forced to resort to drastic measures, and dissembled the fan housing, removed the stock fan, replaced the fan housing sans fan, and jury-rigged a 5cm fan to the card.  Funny thing, the jury-rigged fan is actually more efficient than the stock fan, and cools about 20 degrees lower.  I think i might have posted a couple of pictures in this thread when i did it.

Who was the manufacturer?  The 4670 i have was made by VisionTek, and I've heard they have a whole heap of fan problems like that.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 26, 2010, 07:58:09 AM
Newegg is nice, except for those fucking styrofoam packing peanuts they fill their boxes with.

Styrofoam is the fruitcake of the packing world.  I sell a fair amount of stuff on eBay, so I can usually re-use it almost immediately.  So it gets recycled at least once, I guess.

Yeah, I sent a book to my cousin in Chicago, and put some of the peanuts in the box.  Even though it didn't really need the padding, and I could have just stuffed some newspaper in there.

The rest of it I just scooped into some plastic bags, then threw that in with the rest of the trash.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 28, 2010, 02:19:26 PM
Well my flashplayer is out of date so I can't use a lot of websites so i went to update my flashplayer,easy right?  WRONG!  I have gone through all of their trouble shooting steps but each time it does one of two things.

1)I click on download and install and it just reloads the page that tell me to click on download and install.

2)It take me to a new page that tells me the download prompt will come up in a minute,the download prompt never comes up and all they have is a trouble shooting guide that i have followed to the letter.  I have tried using "save target as"  but all that does is save the webpage.  As far as I can tell the only way to update to the 10 billionth version of flash player is to buy a new computer. 
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 28, 2010, 03:23:24 PM
What web browser do you use?  What operating system?

Flash may have been disconnected from your web browser.  Look for a file on your computer called "Flash10d.ocx" (it might be Flash10b, Flash10c, or Flash10c.  In Windows XP, it should be in C:\WINDOWS\system32\Macromed\Flash

Find this file.  Then open a command prompt and enter the command regsvr32.  Then drag the OCX file from C:\WINDOWS\system32\Macromed\Flash (or wherever it was located; I dunno if Vista and Windows 7 store it elsewhere).

So your command prompt should have the command regsvr32 C:\WINDOWS\system32\Macromed\Flash\flash10d.ocx

That should reconnect the Flash ActiveX component to your web browser.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 28, 2010, 04:54:52 PM
Ok thanks.

OH and by the way Thrifty emptying my cash did get google to accept my password,so thanks for that.

I am using XP and the browser that needs the update in EI7.  I know I hate IE but for some reason there are some websites that work better on it. Don't ask.  If it were not for that I would not touch anything that was not Firefox.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on February 28, 2010, 05:01:44 PM
Ok thanks.

OH and by the way Thrifty emptying my cash did get google to accept my password,so thanks for that.

I am using XP and the browser that needs the update in EI7.  I know I hate IE but for some reason there are some websites that work better on it. Don't ask.  If it were not for that I would not touch anything that was not Firefox.

Okay, issuing the command I mentioned will do it.  But make sure you get the right name of the OCX file by checking C:\WINDOWS\system32\Macromed\Flash, to see the name of the file.  It'll be Flash10 followed by some letter.

This has been happening to a bunch of computers at work, kinda randomly.  Go here to test if it works (http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 05, 2010, 09:37:15 AM
Just a repost from the RRARRGH thread..

SUNUVA BITCH!!! MY MAIN COMPUTER IS 'BLUE SCREENING' and sounds like the main hard drive is/has failed(failing)
 :angry: :angry: :angry:

I can't even go into Safe Mode to a restore point to a prior date!! :scared:

Friggin thing started with a CHK DSK during bootup (which it hardly ever does) and found a Shit load of errors and then proceeded to the OS loading process only to hear a clicking sound coming from a hard drive just before the blue screen flashed for a split second then it would restart all over again with the same results! :-[

This is gonna reeeally suck!  :'(
UPDATE:
Well, my brother luckily was available and did a repair to the boot partition of the master HD and it's going well so far.. Just working out a querk with the USB controllers on the ASUS motherboard that keep freezing up (may need a Flash of the BIOS) but I'm feeling much better :o
Nuther Update:
Well the BIOS Flash didn't go well at all.. In fact, the computer will no longer boot up after the Flash, so now I'm trying to reach my friend that built it for me some 2+ years ago to see if he can have any luck ressurecting it, otherwise, I'm looking at another rebuild (which I'm Not ready for financially) :scared:

My friend that built this one for me will be by this evening to pick it up and work on the BIOS over the weekend (if it can be fixed)..
Currently watching an identical motherboard on ebay to see If I can snag it this weekend.. :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on March 05, 2010, 08:09:58 PM
computers are fun, no? :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 05, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
computers are fun, no? :P
Uh huh... :grr:

Looks like it's a Memory issue. Took out 2nd banks and it boots instantly.. :o
Seems that there's a LOT of issues with ASUS P5's and RAM issues pop up. They're Friggin Picky. :angry:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on March 05, 2010, 08:19:18 PM
yeah i kind of want to build my own computer, but not counting the lack of funds thingy, it just seems to be too much trouble, so i think i'll have dell do it for me :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 05, 2010, 08:20:49 PM
yeah i kind of want to build my own computer, but not counting the lack of funds thingy, it just seems to be too much trouble, so i think i'll have dell do it for me :P
My brother (who's a I T guru himself) said the very same thing yesterday :D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 06, 2010, 07:50:23 AM
..And after performing a stress test, the master hard drive was Failing so luckily, I ordered a brand new Western Digital Caviar (500gb 7200rpm, 32mb cache, with a 5 Year Warranty) hard drive..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136320 (Ordered through Amazon)
and had it overnighted to my house for today (just arrived via FedEx actually).   :o
Both NewEgg and TigerDirect were out of stock  :angry: :angry:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on March 06, 2010, 10:05:47 AM
Yeah, I'll probably buy a pre-built next time. The numbness in my fingertips makes handling small parts a real pain. Laurie's computer was a nightmare to build last year.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 06, 2010, 10:14:50 AM
Yeah, I'll probably buy a pre-built next time. The numbness in my fingertips makes handling small parts a real pain. Laurie's computer was a nightmare to build last year.
Yeah, this one was stable for quite a while and now trying to get these bugs out that have been festering for the last few months (getting worse) and now my system finally crashes, is quite disheartning :-[
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Thrifty on March 06, 2010, 06:40:29 PM
I got the fan noise from my video card to stop--by removing the side of the computer chassis.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: D.B. Barnes on March 06, 2010, 06:58:42 PM
Just ordered a new video card (1 GB!).  It'll be good to have a widescreen monitor on my widescreen monitor again.

What did you go with? I'm looking to upgrade from EVGA GeForce 8600 GTS 256MB.

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on March 06, 2010, 07:45:20 PM
nice amount of ram, im, hope it works out, i haven't really dealt with nvidia.  one thing, do you know if your power supply can handle it? most standard supplies (or at least the ones i've had) are 300 watts which was good enough for basic graphics, but most want more than that.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 07, 2010, 12:43:19 AM
The 9400 is only 50W, and doesn't have those extra power plugs the larger cards have.  So as long as you've got a standard 300W supply you should be OK.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 07, 2010, 05:13:40 AM
I think I have a 250 W power supply.  What will happen if it's not enough? BSODs? Shutdowns?  How hard is it to replace a power supply?
250W ??? :speechless:
Might wanna consider upgrading to a 750W (+/- 100W).. Not difficult at all - Just 4 mounting bolts and the cable connections.. 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 07, 2010, 11:02:32 AM
I think I have a 250 W power supply.  What will happen if it's not enough? BSODs? Shutdowns?  How hard is it to replace a power supply?

 Usually if you overload a switching power supply the power supply will shutdown, do it long enough and something will overheat and the power supply will be dead.  Or run it long enough just under where it shuts down and it will overheat and fail.  It's normally an instant off, no warning, same as unplugging it.

   How hard it is to replace depends on the computer, I've seen some Dells and Compaqs that were a real pain to get the power supply out, and had non-standard shapes.  If it's a standard desktop case with a standard size supply it's easy.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Action Batch on March 07, 2010, 11:11:34 AM
under where

Te he.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on March 07, 2010, 03:03:32 PM
yeah i looked up that card and it needs a 350 watt power supply.  my last computer had a vid card that needed 350 min as well, and only had a 300 watt power supply, and i had no problems (at least nothing too bad) but i sorta stayed away from really graphically intense games.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: D.B. Barnes on March 07, 2010, 04:13:04 PM
yeah i looked up that card and it needs a 350 watt power supply.  my last computer had a vid card that needed 350 min as well, and only had a 300 watt power supply, and i had no problems (at least nothing too bad) but i sorta stayed away from really graphically intense games.

Hmmm...well I'll try it with my factory power supply (the guy who sold it to me said they usually underestimate their power output).  The only game I really play is Civ 3, but I wanted it for photoshop stuff.

Keep us posted. That card looks pretty sweet.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on March 07, 2010, 08:09:06 PM
civ 3 should be fine but like i said, mine was only 50 watts under and it's still going at my mom's house, we shall see.  just something i've learned and should have passed on earlier :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on March 08, 2010, 12:32:30 PM
yeah that should be fine and it is easy (or should be, considering how i've never done it :P), just remember all of the cords that need to be plugged in lol.  maybe take a pic of the insides before you remove it.  and i don't think a bd burner takes much juice.  it's mostly just the graphics card and processor.  if need be, rvr's there to help ;) :D
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 08, 2010, 12:42:19 PM
Heh!
I've still got my own issues goin on here.. :-[

Mine is back up but is taking Twice as long to boot up now, along with seeing then Losing hard drives and DVD drives and the computer management not wanting to 'reactivate' the loss drives and memory sticks no longer wanting to be recognized..

*Cops a DoctorWho? attitude* DAMMIT!  Bill Gates Sux!! :angry:
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Ortega on March 08, 2010, 02:36:41 PM
Well, after poking around a bit I found a 400W supply for pretty cheap, shipped ($17), so I just went ahead and bought it. Hopefully it's as easy to install as RVR says.  The 750W was quite a bit more, and seemed like it might be too big to fit into the tower properly, plus it's just overkill.  The only other thing I might even possibly add to this would be swapping out my DVD-burner for a BD-burner, but that's awhile down the line.

Most regular to mid-sized cases use the ATX form factor, and most PSUs are ATX.  Like RVR said, its simply a matter of unscrewing the four mounting screws, unplugging the PSU form the motherboard, and putting the new one in.  Most have a manual if you get lost. 

It was little things like this that pushed me along towards building my own systems.  Once your comfortable and know what is what and where it goes, its a lot less daunting, and the fact that if you know what to buy, you can put together a decent system for half of what Dell or Gateway might charge you.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 11, 2010, 06:22:33 PM
Aw Hell... :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 11, 2010, 07:31:46 PM
No no, sorry, all is well. Just went to the store. 

I have my widescreen monitor back! WOOO! :)
Woah.. That's Narly dude.. :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on March 11, 2010, 07:47:04 PM
wide screen is indeed good :P
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on March 17, 2010, 12:27:26 PM
I think I've Finally got all the bugs out of my main computer..

The damn thing did not want to see both DVD drives on the PCI SATA Controller card for some odd reason so I switched a couple hard drive SATA connections on the motherboard and hooked up the secondary DVD drive to a 5th spare SATA connection on the motherboard and it now sees everything!
I even went into the BIOS and changed the Boot Sequence for the Master OS hard drive first and the DVD drive second and Disabled the 3rd boot device and it seems to boot up a bit quicker now :o
Still never figured out why it no longer accepted the 2- 512 sticks of memory anymore ???

Hopefully, this will be the last time I have to mess with this one for a while :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 24, 2010, 05:22:56 PM
My Mac is doing good.  I just restart it once a week.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on March 24, 2010, 08:10:58 PM
yep my pc is doing well, i just restart it once a week.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on April 03, 2010, 11:38:52 PM
Ok as you may or may not know the copy of Vista on my laptop crashed a long time back and the only extra copy I had of windows was XP.  Well my laptop has built in wifi but I have now found out that XP doesn't work with wifi. Does anyone know if there is any way to make XP work with Wifi.  P.s I have service pack 2,Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 04, 2010, 05:29:08 AM
Ok as you may or may not know the copy of Vista on my laptop crashed a long time back and the only extra copy I had of windows was XP.  Well my laptop has built in wifi but I have now found out that XP doesn't work with wifi. Does anyone know if there is any way to make XP work with Wifi.  P.s I have service pack 2,Thanks.
??? Really?! XP should work just fine with WIFI.. That's what I'm using on my laptop (Service Pack 3 and all updates)..
Maybe a setting in your control panel has that option turned off er something (?) cause that's just weird  :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on April 04, 2010, 06:18:43 AM
Ok as you may or may not know the copy of Vista on my laptop crashed a long time back and the only extra copy I had of windows was XP.  Well my laptop has built in wifi but I have now found out that XP doesn't work with wifi. Does anyone know if there is any way to make XP work with Wifi.  P.s I have service pack 2,Thanks.
??? Really?! XP should work just fine with WIFI.. That's what I'm using on my laptop (Service Pack 3 and all updates)..
Maybe a setting in your control panel has that option turned off er something (?) cause that's just weird  :-\

Yeah I have gone into the control panel and and my network places to try and log onto a wifi network but there is only an option to use wifi if my computer is the host,I can't log on to a wifi network that is already there.  My friend said he didn't know but he thinks it may be because the wifi is built in and XP doesn't support built in Wifi,anyone know if this is true?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 04, 2010, 06:22:09 AM
Ok as you may or may not know the copy of Vista on my laptop crashed a long time back and the only extra copy I had of windows was XP.  Well my laptop has built in wifi but I have now found out that XP doesn't work with wifi. Does anyone know if there is any way to make XP work with Wifi.  P.s I have service pack 2,Thanks.
??? Really?! XP should work just fine with WIFI.. That's what I'm using on my laptop (Service Pack 3 and all updates)..
Maybe a setting in your control panel has that option turned off er something (?) cause that's just weird  :-\

Yeah I have gone into the control panel and and my network places to try and log onto a wifi network but there is only an option to use wifi if my computer is the host,I can't log on to a wifi network that is already there.  My friend said he didn't know but he thinks it may be because the wifi is built in and XP doesn't support built in Wifi,anyone know if this is true?
Look in your Device Manager to see if there's a Yellow ? next to anything..
The WIFI driver may just not be installed  - XP won't load it. That has to be done manually..
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on April 04, 2010, 06:24:00 AM
Ok as you may or may not know the copy of Vista on my laptop crashed a long time back and the only extra copy I had of windows was XP.  Well my laptop has built in wifi but I have now found out that XP doesn't work with wifi. Does anyone know if there is any way to make XP work with Wifi.  P.s I have service pack 2,Thanks.
??? Really?! XP should work just fine with WIFI.. That's what I'm using on my laptop (Service Pack 3 and all updates)..
Maybe a setting in your control panel has that option turned off er something (?) cause that's just weird  :-\

Yeah I have gone into the control panel and and my network places to try and log onto a wifi network but there is only an option to use wifi if my computer is the host,I can't log on to a wifi network that is already there.  My friend said he didn't know but he thinks it may be because the wifi is built in and XP doesn't support built in Wifi,anyone know if this is true?
Look in your Device Manager to see if there's a Yellow ? next to anything..
The WIFI driver may just not be installed  - XP won't load it. That has to be done manually..

OK thanks.  I really am an idiot when it comes to computers.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 22, 2010, 09:46:14 AM
 :D :D :D This is Quite Hilarious to me..

Quote
Antivirus Program Goes Berserk, Freezes PCs


NEW YORK -- Computers in companies, hospitals and schools around the world got stuck repeatedly rebooting themselves Wednesday after an antivirus program identified a normal Windows file as a virus.

McAfee Inc. confirmed that a software update it posted at 9 a.m. Eastern time caused its antivirus program for corporate customers to misidentify a harmless file. It has posted a replacement update for download.

McAfee could not say how many computers were affected, but judging by online postings, the number was at least in the thousands and possibly in the hundreds of thousands.

McAfee said it did not appear that consumer versions of its software caused similar problems. It is investigating how the error happened "and will take measures" to prevent it from recurring, the company said in a statement.

The computer problem forced about a third of the hospitals in Rhode Island to postpone elective surgeries and stop treating patients without traumas in emergency rooms, said Nancy Jean, a spokeswoman for the Lifespan system of hospitals. The system includes Rhode Island Hospital, the state's largest, and Newport Hospital. Jean said patients who required treatment for gunshot wounds, car accidents, blunt trauma and other potentially fatal injuries were still being admitted to the emergency rooms.

In Kentucky, state police were told to shut down the computers in their patrol cars as technicians tried to fix the problem. The National Science Foundation headquarters in Arlington, Va., also lost computer access.

Intel Corp. appeared to be among the victims, according to employee posts on Twitter. Intel did not immediately return calls for comment.

Peter Juvinall, systems administrator at Illinois State University in Normal, said that when the first computer started rebooting it quickly became evident that it was a major problem, affecting dozens of computers at the College of Business alone.

"I originally thought it was a virus," he said. When the tech support people concluded McAfee's update was to blame, they stopped further downloads of the faulty software update and started shuttling from computer to computer to get the machines working again.

In many offices, personal attention to each PC from a technician appeared to be the only way to fix the problem because the computers weren't receptive to remote software updates when stuck in the reboot cycle. That slowed the recovery.

It's not uncommon for antivirus programs to misidentify legitimate files as viruses. Last month, antivirus software from Bitdefender locked up PCs running several different versions of Windows.

However, the scale of this outage was unusual, said Mike Rothman, president of computer security firm Securosis.

"It looks to be a train wreck," Rothman said.

This is one of the reasons I'll Never use McAfee or Norton 8)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on April 22, 2010, 11:47:20 AM
same here lol anais asked me if i had any comp problems yesterday morning but nope, never going to use mcaffee or norton...too bad you can't elect to not have it installed on your comp anymore, if you have one built by dell, you could when i got this computer. avg ftw!
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on April 23, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
Ok my laptop keeps over heating and shutting it's self off whenever I do something that come close to taxing it like ripping a CD and going online at the same time.  It clearly doesn't have enough fans,but the last time I got one of those fan things for it to sit on the fans didn't work well and it broke in three months.  Right now I have it sitting on a cookie cooling rack,can anyone tell me if there is a better way to keep my computer from over heating.  Also how come there is no way to buy a laptop with more then two fans?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on April 23, 2010, 02:23:15 PM
Ok my laptop keeps over heating and shutting it's self off whenever I do something that come close to taxing it like ripping a CD and going online at the same time.  It clearly doesn't have enough fans,but the last time I got one of those fan things for it to sit on the fans didn't work well and it broke in three months.  Right now I have it sitting on a cookie cooling rack,can anyone tell me if there is a better way to keep my computer from over heating.  Also how come there is no way to buy a laptop with more then two fans?
Other that the cooling rack, Maybe getting a can of compressed air and blowing out your fan air intakes real good :-\
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on April 23, 2010, 03:36:18 PM
Great!  Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Steve-O on April 23, 2010, 04:12:33 PM
And while you're at it, get yourself a Swiffer, cut it to size, and affix it over the front of your intake fan.  It'll massively cut down on your future case dust (just don't forget to change the thing once in a while.)
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: goflyblind on April 23, 2010, 04:22:15 PM
And while you're at it, get yourself a Swiffer, cut it to size, and affix it over the front of your intake fan.  It'll massively cut down on your future case dust (just don't forget to change the thing once in a while.)

wouldn't that severely lower the air throughput?
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Steve-O on April 23, 2010, 04:56:26 PM
And while you're at it, get yourself a Swiffer, cut it to size, and affix it over the front of your intake fan.  It'll massively cut down on your future case dust (just don't forget to change the thing once in a while.)

wouldn't that severely lower the air throughput?

Not enough to affect your case temps much.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 09, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Hey I don't have a problem(For once)I just wanted to know if anyone here can recommend something.  I have a bunch of old cassette tapes and LPs laying around and I don't have a record player and the vans cassette player is on the blink,I want to record them onto my computer as Mp3s.  Is there anything out there that will do that and is there are there any record players out there that will hook up to my computer if there is a program or a hook up?  Thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Bob on May 09, 2010, 09:58:27 AM
Hey I don't have a problem(For once)I just wanted to know if anyone here can recommend something.  I have a bunch of old cassette tapes and LPs laying around and I don't have a record player and the vans cassette player is on the blink,I want to record them onto my computer as Mp3s.  Is there anything out there that will do that and is there are there any record players out there that will hook up to my computer if there is a program or a hook up?  Thanks.

There are a ton of "USB Turntable" options out there.   Go to amazon.com and search for USB turntable and you will see a bunch of them.

Same for USB cassette for that matter.

http://www.amazon.com/Ion-TTUSB-Turntable-USB-Record/dp/B000BUEMOO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1273424077&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Ion-TTUSB-Turntable-USB-Record/dp/B000BUEMOO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1273424077&sr=8-1)

Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 09, 2010, 10:04:05 AM
Ok thanks alot.  I tried searching google and amazon for record to mp3 and got nowhere,thanks.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on May 09, 2010, 02:16:17 PM
yeah i have an audiotechnica usb record player for under $100 that looks good too :) but even a cheaper one has audio out that you can connect to your computer and do it that way, like my first player
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on May 09, 2010, 03:29:59 PM
I need to look into that myself :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on May 10, 2010, 04:35:44 AM
I need to look into that myself :o

well all you really need to do is get an adaptor for your analog stereo right/left plugs that allow it to go to a standard headset jack, which shouldn't be too much of a problem since both of mine came with one.  it's probably not the best thing, compared with usb, but should do in a pinch
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 10, 2010, 09:40:32 AM
I need to look into that myself :o

well all you really need to do is get an adaptor for your analog stereo right/left plugs that allow it to go to a standard headset jack, which shouldn't be too much of a problem since both of mine came with one.  it's probably not the best thing, compared with usb, but should do in a pinch

That's what I've used in the past, line out on your A/V system to line in on the computer.

For cassette tapes an easy way to do it is with a portable player like a walkman, headphone out to line in, you just have to adjust the volume on the walkman so you don't get distortion on the PC.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on May 10, 2010, 02:42:06 PM
I've got a SoundBlaster external USB thingy that has line-level RCA input and output jacks on it, as well as an optical digital input. It cost me about $15 (refurbished; it has no moving parts, so I wasn't too worried), and it's handled pretty much anything I want to capture, audio-wise (remember: If you have a regular turntable, you'll need a phono preamp in order to use something like this).
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on May 12, 2010, 04:39:56 AM
I've got a SoundBlaster external USB thingy that has line-level RCA input and output jacks on it, as well as an optical digital input. It cost me about $15 (refurbished; it has no moving parts, so I wasn't too worried), and it's handled pretty much anything I want to capture, audio-wise (remember: If you have a regular turntable, you'll need a phono preamp in order to use something like this).

oh yeah that's another thing, mine has a preamp installed in it as well, cause my receiver doesnt have a specific phono in port
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on May 13, 2010, 12:06:37 PM
I've got a SoundBlaster external USB thingy that has line-level RCA input and output jacks on it, as well as an optical digital input. It cost me about $15 (refurbished; it has no moving parts, so I wasn't too worried), and it's handled pretty much anything I want to capture, audio-wise (remember: If you have a regular turntable, you'll need a phono preamp in order to use something like this).

oh yeah that's another thing, mine has a preamp installed in it as well, cause my receiver doesnt have a specific phono in port

Yeah, the only receivers with dedicated phono inputs now are usually the higher-end models.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on May 13, 2010, 03:00:49 PM
Do you need one? My receiver has about 5 extra inputs (cassette, video 1, 2, 3, etc.).  Any of them would be fine for a phono input, wouldn't they?

No. A modern turntable (only n00bs call them "record players"  :)) puts out a signal that is much lower than a normal line-level audio signal; it must be amplified to reach a regular strength (this incidentally, is why you should NEVER plug another device into a Phono input; you can destroy it). In order to use a phonograph with a regular input, you have to add a device called a "phono pre-amplifier."
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: TTYT on May 13, 2010, 10:30:39 PM
Tip for anyone late to upgrading to Windows 7 (I just ranted about this in the "RARGH!" thread, but think it's decent enough info to mention here: Belkin's Easy Transfer Cable for Windows 7? Not worth the $39.99, unless you have PCs with Intel chips. Just a tip.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: gbeenie on May 14, 2010, 10:50:09 AM
I usually just grab a flash drive, put all my documents I want to save on it, then make a clean sweep.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: TTYT on May 14, 2010, 01:26:49 PM
I would've used an external HD, but having formatted both of mine in FAT32 so I could use them with both my old PC and the Mac Pros I was using in the Multimedia Lab before I graduated from college, I couldn't save all my stuff into one file (I've got 40GB filled on my old computer, with about ½ or ¾ of that what I want to transfer) - and with all the flash drives I have being only 4GB in size...

Now, if Easy transfer would allow to part the files it stores on an external HD, I'd be fine. But no...

Luckily, I found a good transfer cable (which, annoyingly, was still around $40.00) that lets me drag and drop - and then I can re-install most of my games through the CDs...Not to mention half my software is open-source now.

I just wanted to warn people about that Belkin cable, because it's the most heavily promoted of the Easy transfer cables, so most people who are thinking about using one are most likely gonna go for it.

Oh, and for people annoyed with the bloat that's gotten into Adobe Acrobat? Foxit PDF Pro Pack. Not free, but a hell of a replacement. I started using it with XP a while back after Acrobat 9 nearly killed my old computer
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jasimon1 on May 21, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
So my computer sounds like it's soon going to have to be put to rest. I'm trying to avoid the possibility of being left without a computer but I'm still limited financially. That being said, yay or nay to the linked computer?

http://www.staples.com/Compaq-Presario-CQ5320F-Desktop-PC/product_847570?cmArea=SEARCH (http://www.staples.com/Compaq-Presario-CQ5320F-Desktop-PC/product_847570?cmArea=SEARCH)

Any help is much appreciated.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on May 21, 2010, 01:52:46 PM
Yeah, I think that's a pretty stout setup for the price..
*makes note for certain computers that need to be replaced* :o
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: jasimon1 on May 21, 2010, 02:15:45 PM
Yeah, I think that's a pretty stout setup for the price..
*makes note for certain computers that need to be replaced* :o

I'm pretty sure it ends tomorrow just so you know.
Title: Re: THE COMPUTER THREAD
Post by: RVR II on May 21, 2010, 02:17:43 PM
Yeah, I think that's a pretty stout setup for the price..
*makes note for certain computers that need to be replaced* :o

I'm pretty sure it ends tomorrow just so you know.