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Title: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Johnny Unusual on May 31, 2007, 08:20:26 AM
I'm not counting dead people or retired creators, though I would love to see a Will Eiser/Jack Kirby team up on Dick Tracy.

Here are my ideas:

Runaways:  Writer: Jane Espenson  Artist: Niko Henrichon
Espenson is was the second best writer on the Buffy series and she also did some of my favourite episodes of the series (Earshot, A New Man, Superstar) and I know, that like Whedon, she can write the Bender from Breakfast Club meets Xander character of Chase.  As for Niko Henrichon, he (or maybe it's she) has a style that seems not unlike the constantly improving Adrian Alphona.  Just read Pride of Baghdad.

Iron Man:  Writer: Mark Miller  Artist: Steve Epting
Frankly, while I have issues with Miller's Civil War mini-series that put Iron Man into this position, Iron Man really needs a writer who won't make him come off as a jerk and won't make him right about everything.  I also want to see what the rest of the 100 part plan is because I doubt that the other writers would give it to us or make it plausible.  Plus I want to see Iron Man as someone I can root for.  As for Steve Epting, I think his espionage looking Cap work is perfect for the new head of SHIELD.

Captain Marvel:  Writer:  Peter David  Artist:  Ed McGuinness
I know he's with Marvel right now, but Ed McGuinness could really use his cartoony Capcom-style to work with Peter David's fun writing.  Peter David certainly can do dark mature tales, but he's also done a ton of kid-friendly work I think with this classic character he should really be going an all ages route and make it the kind of ook that might be some younger reader's first read.  Hey, everyone in comics admits they need younger readers and the mix of writing and art that mixes wonder, humour and heart.

If you haven't finished 52 don't read the following:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm surprised I haven't mentioned Grant Morrison yet.  Any other ideas?
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: gbeenie on May 31, 2007, 09:30:14 AM
Spider-Man:  Matt Wagner
I should hope I wouldn't need to explain this choice.

Fantastic Four: Writer-Brad Meltzer; Artist-David Mazzucchelli

Where the HELL has Mazzucchelli been for the last twenty years?

Astonishing X-Men: Writer-Joss Whedon; Artist-John Casaday
Don't leave us, Joss!

Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on May 31, 2007, 06:37:29 PM
Thor:

Writer: Odin (even though he is a bit of a jerk), Artist Freya
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Compound on May 31, 2007, 08:14:52 PM
Heh.

X-Men: Writers: Keith Griffen, J.M. DeMattis Artist: Kevin Maguire

Frankly, I'd like to see someone actually having fun with the X-Men and these guys have a great track record for it.

Legion of Super Heroes: Writer: Joss Whedon

Let's give Joss 30 super powered teens to play with, instead of just one.

Justice League of America: Written by Grant Morrison Art by George Perez

Let's give Grant an artist who can keep pace with his writing, shall we?
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on June 02, 2007, 12:34:46 AM
Spider-Man:  Matt Wagner

I worship Matt Wagner. I'd be very curious to see his interpretation of Spidey. After he does another Mage series. Has he ever done a Marvel character besides that one issue of Ultimate Team-Up?
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: mrbasehart on June 02, 2007, 03:47:55 AM
Mike Nelson and Jack Kirby on The Fantastic Four!

Kevin Murphy and John Romita jnr on The Punisher!

Bill Corbett and Mike Wieringo on Spider-Man!

Mary Jo Pehl and Jeff Smith on Devil Dinosaur!
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: gbeenie on June 02, 2007, 01:14:52 PM
Spider-Man:  Matt Wagner

I worship Matt Wagner. I'd be very curious to see his interpretation of Spidey. After he does another Mage series. Has he ever done a Marvel character besides that one issue of Ultimate Team-Up?

I can't think of any. And the amazing Batman books he's been doing just make me hungrier to see how he handles other characters.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on June 03, 2007, 08:33:09 PM
Spider-Man:  Matt Wagner

I worship Matt Wagner. I'd be very curious to see his interpretation of Spidey. After he does another Mage series. Has he ever done a Marvel character besides that one issue of Ultimate Team-Up?

I can't think of any. And the amazing Batman books he's been doing just make me hungrier to see how he handles other characters.

Tell me about it, although I have to admit I didn't like what I've read of Sandman Mystery Theater. It felt a little too Golden Age. The ending of Mad Monk makes me hope he's gonna tackle a definitive first meeting of Batman and the Joker -crosses fingers - but I'd love to see him tackle any number of mainstream characters. We know he paints a mean Green Arrow...
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Hebs on June 04, 2007, 04:07:15 PM
Spider-Man:  Matt Wagner

I worship Matt Wagner. I'd be very curious to see his interpretation of Spidey. After he does another Mage series. Has he ever done a Marvel character besides that one issue of Ultimate Team-Up?

I can't think of any. And the amazing Batman books he's been doing just make me hungrier to see how he handles other characters.

Ahhh what are you saying - Wagner is awful.  He's never taken an anatomy class in his life, and all his DC books are pitches other people wrote!
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: gbeenie on June 04, 2007, 04:38:24 PM
Heresy! Matt Wagner may be the greatest working figure in modern comics -- and I say that despite my LOVE for Frank Miller.

Grendel is the first successful sci-fi epic that comics have ever produced.

Matt Wagner is awesomeness incarnate. So there.

And, silly, the last couple Batman series he's done have been retellings of classic 1939-1940 Batman stories. That might be why they seem familiar.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Hebs on June 04, 2007, 04:51:51 PM
Heresy! Matt Wagner may be the greatest working figure in modern comics -- and I say that despite my LOVE for Frank Miller.

Grendel is the first successful sci-fi epic that comics have ever produced.

Matt Wagner is awesomeness incarnate. So there.

And, silly, the last couple Batman series he's done have been retellings of classic 1939-1940 Batman stories. That might be why they seem familiar.

Haha, I'm familiar with those stories, but my partner wrote those pitches.  DC has since switched editors twice and Wagner said he wanted the projects and it got mixed up in the shuffle.  It's no big deal, people sell scripts and pitches all the time and then another creative team does the art, but Wagner did it twice to him.  He doesn't care, I'm just being over-protective because I love the big lug.  ;)
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on June 05, 2007, 01:32:55 AM
I can't comment on things I know nothing about, but I can say that whomever's idea it was to do Monster Men and Mad Monk, Wagner did them justice. As for his art, I love the semi-streamlined style he leans toward - I respect anyone who's managed to avoid the skritchy little Jim Lee lines of the '90s - and his composition's always clear and uncluttered, which earns him major bonus points from me these days. I appreciate being able to look at a page and know immediately what's going on and the flow of the panels.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: gbeenie on June 05, 2007, 09:06:22 AM
It also bears mentioning that Matt Wagner is one of those handful of writers who write just as well for other artists as for themselves. Grendel is a terrific example of this.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Hebs on June 09, 2007, 11:21:33 AM
- I respect anyone who's managed to avoid the skritchy little Jim Lee lines of the '90s -

I agree - it is very over rendered.  I keep trying to get into his work, but just not feelin' it.

It also bears mentioning that Matt Wagner is one of those handful of writers who write just as well for other artists as for themselves. Grendel is a terrific example of this.

For all my moaning about Wagner, you're right, Grendel is a great book. 
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Pak-Man on June 09, 2007, 11:24:44 AM
Let's put Jeff Smith and Alex Ross together on something. Don't know what they'd do, but it'd be guaranteed awesome. :^)
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on June 09, 2007, 02:00:00 PM
Let's put Jeff Smith and Alex Ross together on something. Don't know what they'd do, but it'd be guaranteed awesome. :^)

You probably just meant Jeff Smith writing for Alex Ross, but imagine Ross painting over Smith's pencils. That would make my mind explode from awesomeness.

Anybody else think Alex Ross's composition and linework are boring as hell? Nice rendering, though.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 10, 2007, 01:33:17 AM
Let's put Jeff Smith and Alex Ross together on something. Don't know what they'd do, but it'd be guaranteed awesome. :^)

You probably just meant Jeff Smith writing for Alex Ross, but imagine Ross painting over Smith's pencils. That would make my mind explode from awesomeness.

Anybody else think Alex Ross's composition and linework are boring as hell? Nice rendering, though.

Yeah, Ross is a good guy with pictures, but he's not the best story teller out there in terms of panel placement. 

If you put them together on something it has to be something classic and pure.  Either Superman or (if Ross wants to experiment with a cartoonier style) Uncle Scrooge.  Ross actually did a pretty neat cover for Bone.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on June 10, 2007, 10:25:49 PM
Let's put Jeff Smith and Alex Ross together on something. Don't know what they'd do, but it'd be guaranteed awesome. :^)

You probably just meant Jeff Smith writing for Alex Ross, but imagine Ross painting over Smith's pencils. That would make my mind explode from awesomeness.

Anybody else think Alex Ross's composition and linework are boring as hell? Nice rendering, though.

Yeah, Ross is a good guy with pictures, but he's not the best story teller out there in terms of panel placement. 

If you put them together on something it has to be something classic and pure.  Either Superman or (if Ross wants to experiment with a cartoonier style) Uncle Scrooge.  Ross actually did a pretty neat cover for Bone.

I'd like see Alex Ross paint a Superman (or Batman, for that matter) who doesn't look old and tired:
(http://www.toonsart.com/aspx/dbImage.aspx?blobId=209)
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: gbeenie on June 13, 2007, 06:02:58 AM
Hey, being those guys is a hard job. It'd probably age you up some, too.

Besides, I MUCH prefer Ross' approach to those characters than the "eternal late-20's" limbo that all too many mainstream comic characters are consigned to.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Pak-Man on June 13, 2007, 11:13:49 AM
That's the one thing about comic continuity. I'm willing to accept that an 80 year old Spidey would be a bad idea, so you take liberties with aging the characters. Stretch out space-time a bit. I'm good with that, but If Spiderman is still a 20-something kind of guy, how has he celebrated Christmas (As a teen/adult) 40-something times? :^)
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on June 13, 2007, 12:50:24 PM
Hey, being those guys is a hard job. It'd probably age you up some, too.

Besides, I MUCH prefer Ross' approach to those characters than the "eternal late-20's" limbo that all too many mainstream comic characters are consigned to.

Aging Superman's not a big deal - since nobody knows how long the lifespan of a Kryptonian on Earth would be, Supes may be practically immortal. But, if that's the case, he shouldn't be aging noticably. Worry lines and the like would make sense, but Alex Ross's Superman always looks like he's almost 50, when he's one of very few characters who really should be a perpetual 25.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: gbeenie on June 14, 2007, 05:29:33 AM
What can I tell you? I like the more mature Superman (frankly, the idea of a twenty-something with that much power terrifies me). When I read Crisis On Infinite Earths back in the 80's (yeah, I'm that old), I was pulling for the older "Earth-2" Superman to be the one who went on afterward.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on June 14, 2007, 08:56:32 AM
What can I tell you? I like the more mature Superman (frankly, the idea of a twenty-something with that much power terrifies me).

Well, yeah. If Superman were real, we'd all be terrified shitless no matter how mature he was. He should definitely be mature, I just don't think he would look it.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: mrbasehart on June 14, 2007, 07:08:03 PM
Speaking of Superman, has anyone read the Showcase TPBs that DC are putting out? Superman is just hilarious -  I think my favourite story is where Supes gets transformed into a Lion, so instead of helping humans, he ends up doing super-deeds for a carnival act and a bullying pride leader.  The black and white artwork is gorgeous too.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on June 14, 2007, 09:33:06 PM
Speaking of Superman, has anyone read the Showcase TPBs that DC are putting out? Superman is just hilarious -  I think my favourite story is where Supes gets transformed into a Lion, so instead of helping humans, he ends up doing super-deeds for a carnival act and a bullying pride leader.  The black and white artwork is gorgeous too.

How about the one where he gets the new power to create tiny duplicates of himself?
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: mrbasehart on June 15, 2007, 05:25:42 AM
How about the one where he gets the new power to create tiny duplicates of himself?

Yeah, and then the little one sacrifices himself to save the big one.  I love 'em!  And not in an ironic "look how cheesy these stories are" kinda way either. 
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: gbeenie on June 15, 2007, 05:55:44 AM
Speaking of Superman, has anyone read the Showcase TPBs that DC are putting out? Superman is just hilarious -  I think my favourite story is where Supes gets transformed into a Lion, so instead of helping humans, he ends up doing super-deeds for a carnival act and a bullying pride leader.  The black and white artwork is gorgeous too.

How about the one where he gets the new power to create tiny duplicates of himself?

Does he swallow one and then pour boiling water down his throat? (Sorry; couldn't resist)
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 15, 2007, 08:45:31 AM
No but he tries to get it killed.  Out of jealousy.  The 50's were weird.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: daltysmilth on June 15, 2007, 11:10:55 AM
Anyone ever read Neil Gaiman's introduction to Astro City: Confessions?  Where he talks about taking a road trip with Kurt Busiek one time and the two of them came up with a kickass Batman story that will probably never see the light of day?  I'd like to see that happen.  Just imagine the awesome of a Neil Gaiman/Kurt Busiek Batman story.  Or any Kurt Busiek/Neil Gaiman collaboration.  Wouldn't that be great?
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Post by: SharpMonkey on June 23, 2007, 05:20:12 PM
I would love to see Matt Wagner & Frank Miller would team up on something.  I think that both have written excellent stories, especially where Batman is concerned, so it'd be a treat to see what they might plot collaboratively.  As for art...either one inking the other's pencils would be ok by me.  While I'm dreaming, I may as well ask for colors by Lynn Varley too!  <drool>
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on July 26, 2007, 02:27:37 AM
Brian K. Vaughn's more down-to-earth take on Dr Strange, painted by Dan Brereton.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: gbeenie on July 26, 2007, 05:36:04 AM
Brereton's art is purrty.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on July 27, 2007, 03:57:03 AM
I'd like to see Dan Slott write Shazam with art by Darwyn Cooke. My brain would explode.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Hebs on July 27, 2007, 07:23:53 AM
I'd like to see Dan Slott write Shazam with art by Darwyn Cooke. My brain would explode.

Darwyne Cooke is so great - I love Adam Hughes, but the moment he cut out of Catwoman a few years ago, I couldn't read anymore. 
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on July 28, 2007, 03:24:55 AM
I'd like to see Dan Slott write Shazam with art by Darwyn Cooke. My brain would explode.

Darwyne Cooke is so great - I love Adam Hughes, but the moment he cut out of Catwoman a few years ago, I couldn't read anymore. 

Darwyn Cooke:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Catwoman_1.jpg)
Adam Hughes:
(http://static.flickr.com/66/193856172_a7e28fee5b.jpg)
It's almost as if the book's focus shifted, somehow...

Y'know, I'm all in favor of cleavage, but when your character spends at least half her time jumping off rooftops and hanging upside-down from wires, you have to factor that into costume decisions.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Hebs on July 30, 2007, 07:06:43 AM
Exactly!  Believe me, and I've done a lot of rooftop jumping, and price-less cat-related jewel thieving - you want more support than that.  It's just not happening.
Title: Re: Comic book creative teams you want to see.
Post by: Sharktopus on July 31, 2007, 01:15:19 AM
Exactly!  Believe me, and I've done a lot of rooftop jumping, and price-less cat-related jewel thieving - you want more support than that.  It's just not happening.

I demand photos of this. ;)