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Title: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Compound on May 17, 2007, 05:24:07 PM
From the folks at Fox:

THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (Sundays, 8:00-9:00 PM CT/MT): Executive producers Josh Friedman ("War of the Worlds"), David Nutter ("Supernatural," "Smallville") and C-2 Pictures ("Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines") bring to television an intense new drama based on the celebrated heroine of the "Terminator" movies: Sarah Connor.

At the end of "Terminator 2: Judgment Day," Sarah vanquished the liquid metal Terminator sent from the future to kill her teenage son, John. Sarah and John now find themselves alone in a very dangerous, complicated world. Fugitives from the law, they are confronted with the reality that still more enemies from the future, and the present, could attack at any moment. THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES reveals what happens when SARAH (Lena Headey, "The Brothers Grimm," "300") stops running and goes on the offensive against an ever-evolving technological enemy bent on destroying her life, and perhaps the world.

Her son, 15-year-old JOHN CONNOR (Thomas Dekker, "Heroes"), knows that he may be the future savior of mankind, but is not yet ready to take on the mantle of leadership that he's told is his destiny. John finds himself inextricably drawn to CAMERON (Summer Glau, "Serenity," "The Unit"), an enigmatic and otherworldly student at his high school, who soon proves to be much more than his confidante she assumes the role of Sarah and John's fearless protector. On their trail are not only threats from the future, but an intelligent and tough FBI agent, JAMES ELLISON (Richard T. Jones, "Judging Amy"), who soon becomes a powerful ally.

Directed by David Nutter and produced by Warner Bros. Television and C-2 Pictures, THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES represents an exciting reinvention of the "Terminator" franchise, in which the strong and intrepid Sarah discovers that protecting her son and stopping the rise of the machines is more difficult than she had ever imagined.

PRODUCTION COMPANIES: Warner Bros. Television, C-2 Pictures

EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Josh Friedman, David Nutter, James Middleton, Mario Kassar, Andrew Vajna, Joel Michaels

WRITER: Josh Friedman

DIRECTOR: David Nutter

CAST: Lena Headey as Sarah Connor, Thomas Dekker as John Connor, Richard T. Jones as James Ellison, Summer Glau as Cameron
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Well, I'll certainly note that I never expected to see a TV series about Sarah Connor on TV. Especially one that ignores T3 & T4... Plus more River! Woot!
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Pak-Man on May 18, 2007, 01:17:39 AM
Sunday Nights, huh? That'll  be a nice way to settle down after Animation Domination. :^)
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Post by: Principal_Skin-trade on May 18, 2007, 08:04:33 PM
I hear they are already planning a spin off and it's about Sarah Condoleeza Rice
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Sideswipe on May 20, 2007, 04:27:08 PM
Wow, that was a terrible joke.  It kinda made my head hurt when I read it.  Hahaha, just teasing you.  But seriously, it was a bad joke.  I saw the clip on Youtube.  It doesnt look good.  One thing that stood out in my mind was they went ape-shit with the Terminator joint servo motor soud effects.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Blueguy on May 21, 2007, 07:32:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc7mzoqHahU

I can't see how this could possibly work, but it seems like they've got a good cast, so what the hell?  River from Firefly is a reprogramed Terminator?  How bad could it be?
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on May 21, 2007, 07:40:29 PM
When the hell did John Connor become such a gutless prettyboy? Am I to learn from this trailer that between the first time we saw him as a cocky juvenile delinquent with a Public Enemy shirt and the time we saw him as a transient bum who trucks around on a motorcycle and works as a hired hand, he was essentially a character from The OC and had none of the aggression and resourcefulness that he had every other time we saw him? This looks like absolute poison.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on May 21, 2007, 07:53:27 PM
As long as they stay true to the established universe of the Terminator storyline, it has potential.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on May 21, 2007, 08:05:28 PM
I will say that Skynet's new plan to make their new Terminators look and act like someone we expect to see fixing sandwiches at Subway and thus lull us into a false sense of security is pretty diabolical. Come on... Glau acts more air-headed than she did when she played River. Did they tell her to play dumb?

I can picture an army of Glau-Model Terminators storming the battlefields of the future, driving Civics with machine guns mounted on the sides and blaring Jewel cds through the speakers to intimidate the humans...
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Sideswipe on May 21, 2007, 08:13:29 PM
This show and Terminator 3 pretty much pissed all over any continuity that the first two movies set up.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Blueguy on May 21, 2007, 08:17:08 PM
As long as they stay true to the established universe of the Terminator storyline, it has potential.
I don't see how it's going to be possible.  I can't find dates on Wikipedia, but wasn't Judgement Day originally supposed to happen in like 1998 or so?  Of course, T2 changed history and Judgement Day was delayed until the events of T3, which I'd assume was a present day story in 2003.  One of the comments on youtube suggests that the pilot is only setting up the relationship between the female terminator and John and at the end the show jumps to 2007 which would be after T3 and Judgement Day when Sarah Connor would be dead.  

IF the setting for the show is shortly after the events of T2, then I think it might work in the timeline.  
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on May 21, 2007, 08:18:25 PM
I used to like the Terminator franchise, too.

One of these days I'm just going to snap and go on a killing spree of unheard-of proportions. It's going to happen.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Blueguy on May 21, 2007, 08:19:12 PM
T3 ruined it for me.  This show, however bad it may be can't make it any worse for me. 
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on May 21, 2007, 08:29:33 PM
It just occurred to me that any model of terminator that fails to kill this incarnation of John needs to be discontinued immediately and all files related to it's design and programming destroyed.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Blueguy on May 21, 2007, 08:38:16 PM
Yeah, well.  What if, let's say, a T-800 failed in T1 to kill Sarah, right?
T-1000 failed in T2.

So scrap those designs right?  Well, I think in T3 it was revealed that John was killed in the future.  What if it was one of those models that killed him?
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on May 21, 2007, 08:41:31 PM
Yeah, well.  What if, let's say, a T-800 failed in T1 to kill Sarah, right?
T-1000 failed in T2.

So scrap those designs right?  Well, I think in T3 it was revealed that John was killed in the future.  What if it was one of those models that killed him?

Sarah had a hardened combat veteran experienced in fighting terminators to help her in a first one, and they had an actual terminator to help them in the second one. This time John's just a big, dumb blonde kid and Sarah can't be as hardcore as she was in the second one simply because the odds are against her being so (when was the last time you saw a women as awesome and competent as T2 Sarah on network tv?), so it's going to be disproportionately easier this time around.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Blueguy on May 21, 2007, 08:45:28 PM
point about John, seemingly correct.  Sarah on the other hand?  I dunno.  Spartan queen as Sarah Connor, just might work.
But let's not forget they'll have another Terminator (Summer) along to help them fight the other Terminators.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on May 21, 2007, 08:48:16 PM
I'd be more inclined to think that a Summerbot would realistically be more of a liability than an asset.

"My father was a soldier killed in battle."

"... ... I'm so sorry. *drool leaking out of the corners of mouth*"

I think the actor playing Sarah is a pretty good choice, but I just don't think the writing will be able to do her character justice.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Blueguy on May 21, 2007, 08:53:12 PM
Probably.  But let's give them a shot and see how things pan out.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on May 21, 2007, 08:55:37 PM
That's for patient souls like yourself to do while people like me throw things and bark at the moon over how much it's going to suck ass.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Tyrant on May 22, 2007, 11:15:09 AM
As long as they stay true to the established universe of the Terminator storyline, it has potential.
I don't see how it's going to be possible.  I can't find dates on Wikipedia, but wasn't Judgement Day originally supposed to happen in like 1998 or so?  Of course, T2 changed history and Judgement Day was delayed until the events of T3, which I'd assume was a present day story in 2003.  One of the comments on youtube suggests that the pilot is only setting up the relationship between the female terminator and John and at the end the show jumps to 2007 which would be after T3 and Judgement Day when Sarah Connor would be dead.  

IF the setting for the show is shortly after the events of T2, then I think it might work in the timeline.  

  1997, actually. Yeah, the Terminator timeline is all over the place. Character ages and histories don't synch up with dates and events. As such, I'm not going to take too much of what's in this show as cannon because it seems nothing ever is in this franchise except the most basic concepts for the series.

   I am a supreme dork, so I have to watch this show. Regardless of it being good or bad.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: gbeenie on May 22, 2007, 06:51:09 PM
That's for patient souls like yourself to do while people like me throw things and bark at the moon over how much it's going to suck ass.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you... The Internet!



:)
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on May 22, 2007, 06:56:22 PM
Yes, people may ignore my frustrated rants in the real world, but by god in these forums I can force you to pay attention!
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Blueguy on May 22, 2007, 07:39:56 PM
huh?  What?  I wasn't listening....  ???
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on May 22, 2007, 07:41:13 PM
No one was. It's a conspiracy to keep you from questioning whether the fake blood in movies is actually fake and not harvested from spotted owls.

Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Sideswipe on May 23, 2007, 10:55:27 AM
why spotted owls?
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Post by: JonnyFrag on May 24, 2007, 11:34:13 AM
I was originally thinking this would suck eggs, but I see that David Nutter is directing and he was a good director on several of the mythology X Files episodes so mayeb it will be better than I think. And yes, it is very sad that I knew all of that without any imdb help.  :(
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Pak-Man on January 13, 2008, 08:11:16 PM
Ka-BUMPFROMTHEDEAD!

So did anyone check this out? What did we think?
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: gbeenie on January 13, 2008, 08:16:39 PM
It wasn't bad. I'm glad to see in the five years that passed between T2 and this show, that Sarah Connor took some "me" time, and got herself breast implants.   :)

And watching Summer Glau kick large men's asses is ALWAYS fun; it should have its own cable network.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Compound on January 13, 2008, 08:23:30 PM
And watching Summer Glau kick large men's asses is ALWAYS fun; it should have its own cable network.

And now, the related comic image:

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/action_movies.png)

Personally, I liked it. And the rationale for the time change wasn't bad either. (Even though PS238 did that a few years back. But I don't think they're getting their ideas from there.) I'll keep watching for a while.
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Post by: Tyrant on January 13, 2008, 10:16:13 PM
I thought it was pretty good. I know it was strictly for budget/contract/personel/storyline reasons, but it's refreshing to see other models of Terminators walking around too. It looks as though they're going to retcon T3, but I suppose anything can happen leading up to that storyline. I loved all the references to T2 and they might actually NOT mess up the clumsily handled time/age continuity. Color me impressed.

  My only complaint is that Sarah Connor doesn't look 'tough' enough. Linda Hamilton in ,91 looked like she could snap her modern TV replacement in half.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on January 14, 2008, 05:53:25 AM
Summer Glau: Hot.

Lena Headey: Hot.

Terminators: Badass.

Special Effects: Killer.



What's not to like?
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on January 14, 2008, 06:08:23 AM
And watching Summer Glau kick large men's asses is ALWAYS fun; it should have its own cable network.

And now, the related comic image:

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/action_movies.png)

Personally, I liked it. And the rationale for the time change wasn't bad either. (Even though PS238 did that a few years back. But I don't think they're getting their ideas from there.) I'll keep watching for a while.

aside from the River Tam part, it sort of sounds like a conversation before the creation of AVP:R
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Blueguy on January 14, 2008, 10:13:14 AM
I saw the pilot this summer and watched the new version last night.  They made some minor tweaks here and there.  Nothing major, but the bigger changes I noticed was the fiancee character is played by a different, more manly actor, and added 2 short scenes where Sarah and John had a one on one talk with the Rivernator. 

I also realized that I actually kind of liked the first bad guy Terminator in Sarah's dream.  He seemed like a bulked up Liam Neeson.  I'm glad to have noticed this time around the other Terminator had his head blown off when he got blasted at the end, so I think we're rid of that dude and we'll get a different actor, hopefully.  Probably not such a great idea leaving around Terminator parts, super BFG gun, and a time-travel machine lying around after they left though.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: anais.jude on January 14, 2008, 11:31:13 AM
tehe Rivernator  :clap:
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Post by: Pak-Man on January 14, 2008, 11:41:56 AM
But the Summer Glau model is "different." She sure seems to emote better. (Not PERFECTLY, but better.) What upgrades are on this model? We'll have to watch and find out.

My brief review:
So yeah, it won't be touted as the smartest series in the world. Not even the smartest series on FOX, but it looks like it's gonna be a fun ride, and that's what I want from a Terminator show. Eagerly awaiting Part 2 tonight. (Tyrant, if you read this, remember to tape it. :^))
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Post by: Blueguy on January 14, 2008, 02:18:45 PM
I get the impression she's a newer model.  Somewhere between T-1000 and the TX.  The one in Sarah's dream had a different skeleton structure that almost looked slightly more primitive.  Might explain why she kept kicking his ass at every turn.

Hmm, found this interesting tidbit on wikipedia.  Explains why one of the scenes was cut from the original unaired pilot. 

Quote
Fox Entertainment Chariman Peter Liguori said that certain aspect of the pilot, involving a Terminator posing as a teacher attacking John at school, would be changed following the shooting at Virginia Tech.  Although the shooting remained in the series premier, a scene showing students dealing with the aftermath as FBI Agent Ellison surveys the damage was removed.

Also, the regular bad guy Terminator is Garret Dillahunt.  Probably the most notable role he's had was Francis Wolcott in Deadwood.  He was the sick bastard who was violent towards women.  He also played Jack McCall who was the one who shot Wild Bill.
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 14, 2008, 03:00:01 PM
I might have to check this out for a few minutes.  are they going to reair the first episode tonight?
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on January 14, 2008, 03:54:29 PM
I'm not sure.  They'll definitely have one of those "previously on [insert name of the show here]" clip montages to get the viewer up to speed.

As for the series itself, I found the first episode fairly enjoyable.  Elements of it were a bit "familiar," but only to the extent that it establishes some sort of connection to the Terminator films.  I liked that they chose to skip the whole "exposition" thing.  They essentially decided to take the "Haven't seen the movies? Well, fuck you," approach.  It allowed them to fit more show into the show.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on January 14, 2008, 04:02:43 PM
guess what I got
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Fox's Sunday debut of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" scored the best opening night ratings of any new show in three years, while NBC's not-so-lustruous Golden Globes barely registered with audiences.

Boosted by strong marketing and a big NFL playoffs lead-in, the Warner Bros TV-produced "Terminator" notched an eye-popping 7.6 rating/18 share among adults 18-49 and delivered around 18.3 million viewers with its one-hour premier Sunday at 8. This performance demonstrated the value of scripted series at a time when network executives are trying to spin their ability to survive without writers and focuse more on reality shows.

By contrast, the WGA and SAG boycotted Golden Globes, which resulted in the NBC announcement special having to settle for an abysmal 1.7/4 in the demo and 5.8 million viewers. That's even fewer viewers than last-week's star-less "People’s Choice Awards" on CBS.

As for "Terminator," it gave Fox its best premiere numbers for a scripted show in eight years, since "Malcolm in the Middle" became an instant hit on a January Sunday night in 2000. "Terminator" also ended the two-week reign of "American Gladiators" as the season's biggest premiere.

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Post by: bratpop on January 14, 2008, 06:17:35 PM
I riffed this for about half an hour. Then I had to stop. It was just too good. (Forgive me, Jesus.) I still prefer the concept of the first movie: a woman being hunted for the son she hasn't had yet. They carried that into T2 quite well with Miles Dyson being hunted for the technology he hadn't created yet. It was great seeing his family in this, although his son must have Webster disease as he didn't seem to have aged. But as soon as they had Reese become John's father, logic went out the window, and now it's a ridiculous implausible mess. At least it's fun.

I was disappointed to see Brandan Molale playing a dumb cop with no lines in a dream sequence. What a pointless waste. HELLO... (Whispers: Terminator!) He is credited as "Big Cop." I want to punch this show for wasting the greatest potential terminator around. WTF were they thinking? Maybe they'll wait a season and then bring him back as another character like X-Files did with Krycek.

I want a hot lady robot. Seems kind of sick if you think about the fact that the machines designed a hot teenage girl terminator to infiltrate their smelly barracks full of grizzled old rebel soldiers. :speechless:
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on January 15, 2008, 10:27:39 AM
But as soon as they had Reese become John's father, logic went out the window, and now it's a ridiculous implausible mess. At least it's fun.

Actually, it's quite possible that such a thing could happen.  Traveling through time creates an ALTERNATE timeline (effectively an alternate universe).  Originally, John Connor's formative years were likely far more ordinary.  He also in all likelihood had a different father.  Ever see Back to the Future?  Doc Brown'll explain it all.
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Post by: mrbasehart on January 15, 2008, 10:34:16 AM
I enjoyed the two episodes that they've shown.  Summer Glau is awesome and should be required in every episode to employ some kind of martial arts to beat people up.  Fights between Terminators are pretty dull though.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on January 15, 2008, 01:41:12 PM
I agree.  After the first episode, I wasn't QUITE sure about whether the whole series would be worth watching, but after watching the second one, I've decided that it kicks ass.
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Post by: Blueguy on January 15, 2008, 02:08:29 PM
But as soon as they had Reese become John's father, logic went out the window, and now it's a ridiculous implausible mess. At least it's fun.

Actually, it's quite possible that such a thing could happen.  Traveling through time creates an ALTERNATE timeline (effectively an alternate universe).  Originally, John Connor's formative years were likely far more ordinary.  He also in all likelihood had a different father.  Ever see Back to the Future?  Doc Brown'll explain it all.
Problem with that is that in order for it all to happen and make sense, Reese would not only have had to travel back in time, but jump across to a different timeline as well.
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Post by: bratpop on January 15, 2008, 05:04:26 PM
Uh, yeah, he had a different father. That's like Marvel saying in an alternate universe, Nick Fury is a black guy with an entirely different lineage, yet somehow has the same traits, acquaintances, name, and job as the other Nick Fury.
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Post by: Cthulhu Bob on January 15, 2008, 08:48:55 PM
This show and Terminator 3 pretty much pissed all over any continuity that the first two movies set up.

I know that this is an earlier post but I just had to point out that you are annoyed by continuity errors in a movie and TV series that actively tries to destroy continuity  :D. (Ow, my head hurts now)

The 2nd ep was pretty darn good too IMO. The previews for next week looked cool though the weird shaky cam effect on them was very annoying and rather pointless.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on January 16, 2008, 03:00:42 AM
But as soon as they had Reese become John's father, logic went out the window, and now it's a ridiculous implausible mess. At least it's fun.

Actually, it's quite possible that such a thing could happen.  Traveling through time creates an ALTERNATE timeline (effectively an alternate universe).  Originally, John Connor's formative years were likely far more ordinary.  He also in all likelihood had a different father.  Ever see Back to the Future?  Doc Brown'll explain it all.
Problem with that is that in order for it all to happen and make sense, Reese would not only have had to travel back in time, but jump across to a different timeline as well.

Actually, he wouldn't have to.  He would CREATE a different, divergent timeline just by traveling back in time to a place and time where he previously wasn't present.  All previous events remain the same - the NEW timeline branches off from the old one.
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 16, 2008, 08:17:09 AM
Actually, he wouldn't have to.  He would CREATE a different, divergent timeline just by traveling back in time to a place and time where he previously wasn't present.  All previous events remain the same - the NEW timeline branches off from the old one.

yep, just like in Back to the Future II
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Post by: jetjaguar15 on January 16, 2008, 09:26:15 AM
So...how many episodes do you figure before John gets it on with the robot?

Why do you think he sent himself that particular model of Terminator?

"I am... Fully functional!"
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 16, 2008, 03:55:36 PM
So...how many episodes do you figure before John gets it on with the robot?

Why do you think he sent himself that particular model of Terminator?

"I am... Fully functional!"

Yeah but does "fully functional" mean ovaries and a uterus?
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Post by: bratpop on January 16, 2008, 04:40:12 PM
WAIT a minute... THIS John Connor is a total WEENIE. Maybe he sent back a hot chick robot for him to bang so they can make a hot chick robot John Connor baby who is half cyborg and all badass? The future leader of robobabykind. Yes, I can see it now. Hot chick robots and weenies living together in harmony. Hot gay stripper robots living with butch women. Robot dogs and cats making robocatdog babies. Cars that transform into other cars. Mr. Coffees in the senate. Skynet keeping tabs on Britney's personal life. Keanu Reeves and K1O Reevesbot indistinguishable from each other. A Claire Danes in every household. Will Smith Scientology detective robots solving crimes and recruiting people to protect them from the scum of the universe. Whoa. We don't have to live in a matrix, dude. We can totally DO the robots!
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 16, 2008, 04:52:41 PM
pure robots > cyborgs.
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Post by: bratpop on January 16, 2008, 05:03:32 PM
Pure robots = Scientologists.
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 16, 2008, 05:07:27 PM
Ive never heard a robot say anything about Xenu or giving birth to babies with out making noises.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 16, 2008, 06:02:48 PM
Ive never heard a robot say anything about Xenu or giving birth to babies with out making noises.

Ah, but you're forgetting the episode of Transformers where Optimus explains to the rest of the Autobots about his Thetan Levels, and how he and the rest of the Autobots must begin robbing banks so that they can pay the "Church" so that they can continually monitor their Thetan Levels and by so doing defeat Megatron and his Mormon Decepticons.
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Post by: Tripe on January 17, 2008, 11:54:18 AM
Ive never heard a robot say anything about Xenu or giving birth to babies with out making noises.

You won't hear many Scientologist saying much about the first one either, and those that have paid enough to hear the punchline don't tend to talk about it. Perhaps they are "profoundly moved" by what they've read. ;D
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Post by: Tyrant on January 17, 2008, 12:38:30 PM
WAIT a minute... THIS John Connor is a total WEENIE. Maybe he sent back a hot chick robot for him to bang so they can make a hot chick robot John Connor baby who is half cyborg and all badass? The future leader of robobabykind. Yes, I can see it now. Hot chick robots and weenies living together in harmony. Hot gay stripper robots living with butch women. Robot dogs and cats making robocatdog babies. Cars that transform into other cars. Mr. Coffees in the senate. Skynet keeping tabs on Britney's personal life. Keanu Reeves and K1O Reevesbot indistinguishable from each other. A Claire Danes in every household. Will Smith Scientology detective robots solving crimes and recruiting people to protect them from the scum of the universe. Whoa. We don't have to live in a matrix, dude. We can totally DO the robots!

   And thusly, we've got the plot for Terminator 4.
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Post by: Pak-Man on January 18, 2008, 02:36:00 PM
I'd think a Terminator would be too demanding in bed. Who can perform with, "Come with me if you want to live" hanging over your head? :^)
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Post by: Tripe on January 18, 2008, 02:41:25 PM
 :rimshot:

Nothing makes you learn perfect timing like the threat of death.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 18, 2008, 02:46:00 PM
Your assuming Terminators need to have an orgasm.
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Post by: Tripe on January 18, 2008, 02:48:53 PM
Actually wouldn't they select one from a drop down list?
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on January 18, 2008, 05:20:57 PM
I'd think a Terminator would be too demanding in bed. Who can perform with, "Come with me if you want to live" hanging over your head? :^)

:clap: :clap: :clap:


And, uh...on the same topic..................Geez, I REALLY am going to regret delving into this (er...no pun intended)...........but I'm going to plow ahead anyway (gah!  Not intended there either)................

I mean, would it be dangerous?  Would there be the risk of electrocution, bruising, or broken bones?  I mean, Terminators can survive pretty much anything - AND kill pretty much anything.  You might die before it even comes to the ultimatum that Pak-Man pointed out.

And if it did, would she have actual, um...(ahem) "lubricant"............or, well................actual lubricant?

(http://www.walsmaoil.com/76Super5w20New.jpg)

I mean, that would be toxic, wouldn't it?  I mean, I really am not sure if I would still go ahead with it.
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Post by: Tyrant on January 18, 2008, 06:27:28 PM
I find it amusing how often, when the subjects of robots and androids comes up, the conversation always heads in this direction.

 We should all just out with it and admit we'd all rather be sleeping with robots than other humans.  :D
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 18, 2008, 06:53:36 PM
fluid exchange?  eww, gross.
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Post by: Tripe on January 18, 2008, 07:34:10 PM
We should all just out with it and admit we'd all rather be sleeping with robots than other humans.  :D

Well if the example of the robot looks like Summer Glau, then yeah it's worth considering. If it looks like Anthony Daniels after a date with Goldfinger, I think it's charms might be a bit easier to resist.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on January 20, 2008, 05:17:37 AM
We should all just out with it and admit we'd all rather be sleeping with robots than other humans.  :D

Well if the example of the robot looks like Summer Glau, then yeah it's worth considering. If it looks like Anthony Daniels after a date with Goldfinger, I think it's charms might be a bit easier to resist.

True.  And if it looked like Kristianna Loken, the fact that it's trying to kill you would be a bit of a turn-off.
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Post by: SecretAgentSuperDragon on January 20, 2008, 10:04:19 AM
Since so many of you seem interested in this robo-sex, I thought I would let a professional doctor explain things to you.

Colbert Report:

http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=147893

Sorry. I tried to embed, but anything that isn't youtube or google video is impossible to do.
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Post by: mrbasehart on January 20, 2008, 08:03:27 PM
I saw that episode the other day.  I love how he's completely not in on the joke. 
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on January 21, 2008, 07:07:56 PM
Just finished watching the third episode.

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Post by: bratpop on January 21, 2008, 08:15:49 PM
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Post by: Tyrant on January 21, 2008, 08:45:12 PM
All I can say is that they sure are turning the endoskeleton creepiness factor up about a hundred levels.

Now if FOX can just keep this show in this time slot.
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Post by: bratpop on January 21, 2008, 09:31:16 PM
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Them not cancelling it would be enough of a feat. The timeslot probably should change since it's up against Heroes. They should have kept it OUT of this timeslot, not in it.
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Post by: Zardoz! on January 21, 2008, 09:39:49 PM
Speaking of series with cybernetics, has NBC canned "Bionic woman" yet or is it just stalled by the writer's strike?
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Post by: bratpop on January 21, 2008, 10:21:57 PM
Screw Bionic Woman. This show beats it. Yeah, I said it. Good riddance.
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 22, 2008, 05:35:16 AM
Yeah, Terminators beat Bionic Women hands down.  I have to Agree with BBQ about the recurring character, its pretty cool.
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Post by: Blueguy on January 22, 2008, 05:49:01 AM
That's going to be tough.  Don't they have like 4 shows that normally air Monday nights?  Prison Break, 24, Terminator, and do they run American Idol on Mondays later on?

Oh, and I wish they would have kept River a bit more normal in public like she was in school in the pilot.  It just feels like they reverted her a bit just for the comedic value.

One thing I do like is that the skeletons of the Terminators is different.  I wonder if this is a result of a different past in developing them or if they're a pre-T800 model.  Although, I thought the 800 was the first one that had the human tissue in order to pass through the time travel device.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on January 22, 2008, 06:56:02 AM
I actually rather like the way the "Rivernator" character behaves - she's relatively sociable compared with other Terminators, and she's capable of making simple small talk about fairly unpredictable things the way humans can, but more complex personal issues are just a BIT beyond her programming.  I remember reading a book (though I can't remember for the life of me what it was called or who wrote it) that detailed the differences between the way computers "think" and process information to the way humans do it.  Ultimately, it came to the conclusion that Strong AI would take a lot more than processor speed to develop - I'm pretty sure the author believed it to be impossible.

I mean, after all, she's a ROBOT, and should be written as one.
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Post by: Pak-Man on January 22, 2008, 10:36:27 AM
Yeah, I think this version of the Terminator is a bit more socially curious. The Arninator had no interest in socially bonding or blending in. He was there to do his job. The Summernator (What IS her character's name again? I wanna call her by name, but I always forget. :^)) asks for clarification on things and investigates. She's trying to fit into a society. She's Pinochio, and I have a feeling that's going to be a recurring theme throughout the show, and I like that. :^)
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 22, 2008, 12:45:22 PM
Let's just call her DATA then if we're gonna go through ST:TNG Episodes with her.
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Post by: Tyrant on January 22, 2008, 01:47:18 PM
Let's just call her DATA then if we're gonna go through ST:TNG Episodes with her.

  I don't think she's got a genuine interest in acting or becoming more human (assuming she can even have genuine interests). Her motivations seem to revolve around her mission parameters only, so in this way she's very unlike Data. Frankly I hope they don't go in that direction with her. It'd be nice, for once, to watch a robot comfortable with being a robot.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 22, 2008, 02:23:56 PM
We'll see, but that is the logical progression....assuming the show lasts 2 seasons.
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Post by: doggans on January 23, 2008, 10:03:13 AM
(What IS her character's name again? I wanna call her by name, but I always forget. :^))

Hint: She is ever-so-subtly named after an obscure director who may have done one or two robot movies a while ago.
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Post by: Pak-Man on January 23, 2008, 10:06:02 AM
Ah. I remember now and I can't believe I only just made that connection. :^)
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Post by: bratpop on January 23, 2008, 04:22:21 PM
BTW P.S. FYI the FBI guy is named after Harlan Ellison.
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 23, 2008, 04:27:26 PM
Hahaha, I didnt notice that one
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Post by: Nick on January 24, 2008, 08:46:12 AM
This is quickly becoming my new favorite show! I ienjoyed the 3rd episode, but do to unavoidable events I missed the two night premiere. Can someone give me a recap of what happened? Details would be nice. :)
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Post by: Tripe on January 24, 2008, 08:53:07 AM
From Uncle Wiki:

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Post by: Nick on January 24, 2008, 09:08:17 AM
Thanks for the recap Tripe. :)
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on February 25, 2008, 07:06:41 PM
I thought I'd bump this thread up in light of the newest episode, which in my opinion is the best one yet.
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Post by: gbeenie on February 25, 2008, 07:08:29 PM
Shh! I haven't watched it yet! Really enjoying this show, by the way.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on February 25, 2008, 07:13:03 PM
By the way, I missed the first third or so of the episode before this one, so maybe it was answered there, but.......what, if anything, happened to Chrome Artie?
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Post by: gbeenie on February 25, 2008, 07:20:34 PM
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Post by: GalvaTRION on February 25, 2008, 07:25:51 PM
Terminator, I've come to conclude, is James Cameron's baby. I enjoyed T3 when I first saw it, but after a few viewings I realized my error. My brother watches this series regularly, and I half-watch it. It's better than it could have been, but just isn't anywhere near the first two movies.

Also, Summer Glau irritates me for some unknown reason.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on February 25, 2008, 07:40:25 PM
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Hmm...I already knew that.  I was just wondering why he hasn't shown up recently.  Oh, well.
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Post by: SaucyRossy on February 25, 2008, 07:50:04 PM
the show is really a surprise for me. I thought it was going to be horrible but it's actually pretty decent and draws HEAVILY from the first two movies. If you never saw those then you are really missing out on some treats that the show is putting into each episode.
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Post by: GalvaTRION on February 25, 2008, 07:52:32 PM
the show is really a surprise for me. I thought it was going to be horrible but it's actually pretty decent and draws HEAVILY from the first two movies. If you never saw those then you are really missing out on some treats that the show is putting into each episode.
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Feels too much like fanfiction.
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Post by: bratpop on February 25, 2008, 08:02:21 PM
More like an organic MAMMO machine, am I right?
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Post by: GalvaTRION on February 25, 2008, 08:07:10 PM
More like an organic MAMMO machine, am I right?

... also correct.
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Post by: gbeenie on February 25, 2008, 08:29:12 PM
As far as I know, Cameron has the standard terminator endoskeleton.
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Post by: bratpop on February 25, 2008, 09:30:28 PM
When did HOT become the standard?

Am I right?
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Post by: Blueguy on February 25, 2008, 10:17:40 PM
Pretty sure she's more advanced then the T-888s that are the main badguys on the show.  Maybe T-900?

(http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/terminator-fox-b-0108.jpg)

Swiped from this interesting article.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/robotics/4245140.html
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on February 26, 2008, 09:58:16 AM
That's some damn good (and appropriately nerdy) analysis there.

On a different note, the finale looks totally awesome.
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Post by: Pak-Man on February 26, 2008, 10:33:54 AM
I'm loving this show. We've seen Cameron
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But somehow nothing's creepier than
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Post by: doggans on February 26, 2008, 01:16:01 PM
I'm just disappointed that Earl Boen didn't guest star reprising his role as the doctor.

Seriously, how do you bring yourself to recast a role that was originated by the Ghost Pirate LeChuck?
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Post by: gbeenie on February 26, 2008, 01:17:13 PM
I thought Bruce Davison brought the crazy in a way I'm not sure Earl Boen could have.
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Post by: GalvaTRION on February 26, 2008, 02:45:39 PM
Senator Kelly, WHY!?

Admittedly, the whole tying-up-an-FBI-agent-stabbing-him-in-the-leg-then-attempting-to-burn-him-to-death thing was pretty funny.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 03, 2008, 07:02:31 PM
GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!  How the CRAP am I going to survive waiting until next season!?!?!?!?  GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 03, 2008, 07:04:57 PM
Impressive.

Most impressive...
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Post by: bratpop on March 03, 2008, 08:32:51 PM
TV networks always suffer over the summer. Why don't they just get to work FINISHING this show, regardless of when the episodes will air? For a network that started debuting things in January, it shouldn't matter to them if they have a weird schedule. Don't pull a Twin Peaks on us.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 04, 2008, 08:30:30 AM
Yeah, if this is the last episode of the series, I'm gonna be SUPER-pissed.
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Post by: Pak-Man on March 04, 2008, 10:27:51 AM
That might be worse than the Cliffhanger ALF ended on. :^)
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Post by: gbeenie on March 04, 2008, 01:18:14 PM
So that's it for the season (I download all my shows, so if there was an announcement, I missed it)?
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 04, 2008, 06:07:00 PM
Yep.  I'm going to have to find something else to do on Monday evenings.  (Seriously, I have literally  nothing else going on).
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Post by: gbeenie on March 04, 2008, 06:08:41 PM
Well, poopie.
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Post by: bratpop on March 04, 2008, 10:01:36 PM
Nothing to do on Mondays for FIVE MONTHS (maybe six, I dunno). Great. Oh, and all that looking forward to Heroes: Origins: The Good Series last year was for nothing.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 09, 2008, 06:45:19 PM
Well, I'd say things are looking pretty good as far as the whole "series coming back" thing goes:

http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/03/09/sarah-connor-may-be-coming-back-for-another-season-on-fox/ (http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/03/09/sarah-connor-may-be-coming-back-for-another-season-on-fox/)
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Post by: gbeenie on March 09, 2008, 08:57:05 PM
Note: I'm a dumbass. I didn't realize that there were two episodes last Monday night (I torrent all my shows). Yeah, the season finale (when I finally saw it) was pretty boss.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 10, 2008, 02:54:12 PM
Here's a pretty neat article that deals more with the physics of Terminators:

How To: Terminate a Terminator (http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/03/how-to-terminat.html)


(Speaking of the physics of Terminators, I'd LOVE to see a Terminator utilize some inhuman body motion and agility once its cover is blown.  Swinging around by the arms, utilizing hydraulics, etc.)
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Post by: Tyrant on March 10, 2008, 05:02:38 PM
I recall the TX doing some creepy, inhuman things with its body in T3.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 10, 2008, 06:35:36 PM
I recall the TX doing some creepy, inhuman things with its body in T3.

Ah, yes.  I must have forgotten about that.  I tend to forget a lot of things about T3.  (Not that it was that bad, it just wasn't that great, either).
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Post by: bratpop on March 10, 2008, 09:17:54 PM
I recall the TX doing some creepy, inhuman things with its body in T3.
Haha. Yeah. I remember that part when it pretended a girl could be a scary villain. That was awesome.
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Post by: Nick on March 19, 2008, 08:21:17 PM
Just saw the finale. This is what I have to say.

(http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/darth-vader.jpg)

Impressive. Obi-Wan has tought you well.

(Just felt like quoting Vader for some reason. ;D)
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Post by: ShadowDog on March 27, 2008, 12:16:54 AM
Yeah, I liked the season and the finale, it's just a shame that the writer's strike cut the season short by three episodes.  If they'd had the number of episodes they planned on having they could have had a real feeling season finale.  Grrr.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 28, 2008, 09:39:31 AM
I think my signature has become particularly relevant now.
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Post by: mrbasehart on April 21, 2008, 06:29:12 PM
It's been renewed!

Quote
Sarah Connor Chronicles renewed for second season by Fox; will return with 13 episodes.

Sarah Connor has done what the Bionic Woman could not: take an existing franchise, update it, and make it watchable. NBC's Bionic Woman, a reworking of the 1970s show, rode a wave of hype and marketing to impressive first-week ratings, but couldn't maintain momentum and was ultimately decommissioned by the network.

Cameron is the most adorable killing machine on the market.

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is a different story. The show was able to hold on to its audience--being a midseason show didn't hurt--and was the highest-rated new scripted show of the season in the 18-49 age demographic, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

To no one's surprise (well, the only surprise is how long it took), Fox today ordered a second season of the show, reports the trade. The network has asked for 13 more episodes of the show, but has not given an estimated premiere date for the second season. It will likely return once again as a midseason show in early 2009, when it can be paired up with the delayed seventh season of 24.

Sarah Connor Chronicles is set in the Terminator universe, between the second and third movies of the trilogy, and follows Sarah Connor (Lena Headey) as she protects her son John Connor (Thomas Dekker) from time-travelling cyborgs. Helping them survive is Cameron Phillips (Summer Glau), a terminator fighting for the humans.
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Post by: bratpop on April 21, 2008, 06:36:59 PM
Three cheers for creepy hot chicks that it may or may not be okay to beat off to!
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Post by: Nick on April 21, 2008, 07:09:49 PM
Hooray! :)
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on April 21, 2008, 07:52:21 PM
It's coming back!  Yays!  It'll be interesting to see which timeslot they'll put it in now that House is moving to Mondays.
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Post by: ShadowDog on April 21, 2008, 08:02:15 PM
WOO HOO!!  What makes this all the sweeter was that I was absolutely convinced it was going to be, if it wasn't already, cancelled.  Moist excellent!
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Post by: Tyrant on April 21, 2008, 08:04:41 PM
Hurray!!!! This makes me a happy zombie!   :highfive:
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on April 21, 2008, 09:55:04 PM
Seriously, before I read this news, I was having a pretty crappy day.  I was feeling pretty worked up and a little bit depressed (for various reasons).  But reading various articles about this news cheered me up real good.  (I imagine the photos of Summer Glau that were attached to the articles had something to do with it). ;)
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Post by: bratpop on April 22, 2008, 09:58:45 AM
I must say though, I hope they do NOT release the previous episodes as "season 1." It would be cheap, sure, but the lack of ending made it pretty disappointing. Despite the YEAR long wait, I'd rather have the two seasons together in one set. That would make (9 + 13) a standard 22 episodes. We don't need a repeat of Twin Peaks here.
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Post by: Blueguy on April 23, 2008, 10:26:14 PM
It's coming back!  Yays!  It'll be interesting to see which timeslot they'll put it in now that House is moving to Mondays.
I wouldn't expect that to last.  They probably only did it because of how much the strike threw everything off, without having 24 they don't need to mess with Idol. 

I must say though, I hope they do NOT release the previous episodes as "season 1." It would be cheap, sure, but the lack of ending made it pretty disappointing. Despite the YEAR long wait, I'd rather have the two seasons together in one set. That would make (9 + 13) a standard 22 episodes. We don't need a repeat of Twin Peaks here.
If shows like The Sopranos, Deadwood, and Rescue Me can get away with it, why not SCC?  But yeah, there should be more then 13 episodes.
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Post by: gbeenie on April 28, 2008, 02:21:44 PM
Three cheers for creepy hot chicks that it may or may not be okay to beat off to!

Summer Glau is in her late twenties. Beat away, young man!
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Post by: ShadowDog on April 28, 2008, 06:24:27 PM
Thanks for that mental image.

If shows like The Sopranos, Deadwood, and Rescue Me can get away with it, why not SCC?

I don't think the Sopranos release schedule is anything any TV series should aspire to.  I've been getting so frustrated with BSG's "show season 3, wait an entire fucking year, show half of season 4, wait nine more fucking months, show the rest" schedule that it's taken away a lot of my excitement for the show.  If I had been a Sopranos fan I probably would have given up on the show after the first two year break between seasons.  That's bullshit.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on August 19, 2008, 02:24:41 PM
Thought I'd dredge up this thread to point out that the Season 1 DVD has just been released.  Anybody got it yet?
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Post by: Compound on August 19, 2008, 09:27:46 PM
I picked it up. Haven't watched it yet though as I'm having my carpet cleaned tomorrow and I've spent the night moving stuff from carpet to tile.

BTW: Amazon has it for $18.99, which is a better price by a couple of bucks than the B&M stores this week.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 01, 2008, 11:36:53 PM
Just a little thing I'd like to bring up before the season starts.

I like to call this series "Terminator 3: Good Version."
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 07, 2008, 12:14:09 PM
Crap.  Just realized that I'll probably have to tape this.  My Vikings are playing the Packers on Monday Night Football.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 08, 2008, 07:26:56 PM
Well...season premier.  Thoughts?

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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 09, 2008, 03:48:44 AM
Come ON!  I can't be the only person who watches this show!
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 09, 2008, 04:36:40 PM
Well.  I guess I AM the only one, then.
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Post by: Compound on September 09, 2008, 04:47:31 PM
I generally have it DVRd, but it got preempted locally here by the football game. I have no idea when they'll rebroadcast it.
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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on September 09, 2008, 04:50:59 PM
I saw it
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 09, 2008, 05:18:04 PM
And...?
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on September 09, 2008, 05:48:21 PM
I witnessed it...
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Post by: gbeenie on September 09, 2008, 06:34:11 PM
Come ON!  I can't be the only person who watches this show!

Sorry. I have to show my partner the last two episodes of Season One before we can watch our recording from Monday.
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Post by: kodiakthejuggler on September 09, 2008, 08:49:46 PM
I liked it. They're definitely taking a step in the right direction. And...

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Post by: mrbasehart on September 10, 2008, 08:46:15 AM
Just saw it today:

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Post by: mrbasehart on September 10, 2008, 08:47:56 PM
A pity that Manson doesn't seem very convincing.  I'm hoping she'll grow into it, otherwise it could ruin a potentially great character.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on September 10, 2008, 08:54:23 PM
Why, out of all the real actors, would they pick her?
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Post by: mrbasehart on September 10, 2008, 08:56:51 PM
Seems like stunt casting to me.  There's an easy out for her in the show though...   :)
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on September 10, 2008, 08:59:01 PM
Molten lead?....or some kind of molten GarbageHa, ha, ha....shoot me!
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Post by: mrbasehart on September 10, 2008, 09:00:00 PM
Well:

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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on September 10, 2008, 09:00:59 PM
Like Courtney Love, or Dido?
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 10, 2008, 09:01:25 PM
Well:

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It's not like the show hasn't done it before.
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Post by: mrbasehart on September 10, 2008, 09:02:10 PM
Well, Courtney Love isn't that bad an actress.  And she looks partly inhuman...   :)
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on September 10, 2008, 09:03:42 PM
Maybe Madonna.
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Post by: Tripe on September 11, 2008, 05:08:56 AM
Well she is a career chameleon apparently so it's possible.
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Post by: Pak-Man on September 14, 2008, 11:37:12 PM
Finally got to watch the DVR of the last episode. VERY awesome. I love the new intro, but I think they would have done well to leave it out of this episode so you don't know from the credit sequence that
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Post by: Thom_Serveaux on September 16, 2008, 09:14:25 PM
Something that I've yet to hear anyone else mention....


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A River runs through it....



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....I'll get my coat.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 16, 2008, 09:27:49 PM
Something that I've yet to hear anyone else mention....


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A River runs through it....



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....I'll get my coat.

???
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Post by: bratpop on September 16, 2008, 10:40:46 PM
WTF were they smoking when they came up with the T-1000 scene? There was still a urinal on the wall. She would have to spread herself across the entire bathroom wall in order to occupy the same space, which is even more disgusting. A child would know that. Anyway, I don't think a urinal is the same mass as a human.

Surprise, the guy who always plays a badguy wasn't a badguy this episode.
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Post by: Pak-Man on September 16, 2008, 11:02:53 PM
Hooray! It's Bratpop with a fresh bucket of parade rain!

I figure it was using the inside of the walls, where all the pipes come from, to store any extra baggage.
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Post by: mrbasehart on September 17, 2008, 06:06:27 AM
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Post by: Thom_Serveaux on September 17, 2008, 12:54:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc7mzoqHahU

I can't see how this could possibly work, but it seems like they've got a good cast, so what the hell?  River from Firefly is a reprogramed Terminator?  How bad could it be?
That's what I was referring to, BBQ...
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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on September 17, 2008, 06:15:32 PM
Way to go, you went and crapped up a joke
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Post by: Thom_Serveaux on September 17, 2008, 07:55:00 PM
Well you can't expect him to sift through 12 pages of posts, now can you?
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 17, 2008, 09:15:19 PM
Well you can't expect him to sift through 12 pages of posts, now can you?

And to top it all off, the link no longer works.
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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on September 18, 2008, 03:58:42 AM
Well you can't expect him to sift through 12 pages of posts, now can you?

I was just referencing the latest episode, but no, I guess not
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 18, 2008, 01:04:40 PM
Oh, wait.  I get it now.  Firefly reference.  Har-dee-har.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 29, 2008, 06:10:52 PM
Well, tonight's episode was thirty-one original flavors of weird.  I liked the Future War parts, though.  Summer Glau was great in it.  Hopefully, next week's episode will feature more things blowing up.
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Post by: Pak-Man on September 29, 2008, 11:46:58 PM
So just what was that all about?

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Post by: MSTJedi on September 30, 2008, 09:07:04 AM
So just what was that all about?

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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on September 30, 2008, 09:20:49 AM
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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on September 30, 2008, 12:31:11 PM
So....what's the verdict?   Can Shirley Manson act?   ;)
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Post by: Tyrant on September 30, 2008, 12:34:29 PM
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So....what's the verdict?   Can Shirley Manson act?   ;)

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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on September 30, 2008, 01:01:12 PM
So....what's the verdict?   Can Shirley Manson act?   ;)

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Post by: mrbasehart on October 01, 2008, 07:24:36 AM
I thought the episode was...interesting.  Summer Glau was pretty awesome, but it's still unclear as to what the hell's going on with her. 

Shirley Manson can't act.  With Arnie, there was no subtlelty because he wasn't built that way - just look at the guy! - but with something like a T-1000 there should be more going on, and Manson can't do it.  She does have an interesting/creepy vibe, but there's nothing more than that.
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Post by: bratpop on October 05, 2008, 12:23:53 AM
I think they just invented the new model Confusinator.
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Post by: MSTJedi on October 05, 2008, 01:44:52 AM
Well, at least Miss Glau had plenty of practice playing confusing and whacked out in Firefly.
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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on October 06, 2008, 10:46:22 AM
Well, at least Miss Glau had plenty of practice playing confusing and whacked out in Firefly.
I've always had the gut feeling that she's not acting.
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Post by: mrbasehart on October 06, 2008, 12:31:44 PM
Well, at least Miss Glau had plenty of practice playing confusing and whacked out in Firefly.
I've always had the gut feeling that she's not acting.

That's the mark of a great actress.  :)
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Post by: Tyrant on October 06, 2008, 01:07:47 PM
Well, at least Miss Glau had plenty of practice playing confusing and whacked out in Firefly.
I've always had the gut feeling that she's not acting.

  *visualizes a typical day at the studio....
 
   "Did Summer's manager hide her medication as per our request?"

  "Yes sir."

  Less than an hour later.....

  "Uh oh. There she goes. Summer's flipping out. Get those cameras rolling on her stat!!!"

  *writers later modify story to match whatever Summer did on camera*
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Post by: gbeenie on October 06, 2008, 02:58:36 PM
Y'all are so mean. Summer Glau is actually very pleasant and seems entirely there in person.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on October 06, 2008, 06:00:08 PM
Wow.  Best.  Episode.  Evar.


I'll elaborate on it later.
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Post by: MSTJedi on October 06, 2008, 06:27:14 PM
So when do they put the episodes online (FOX VOD)? I was busy tending to the younguns, so I couldn't sit and watch a TV14 show.
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Post by: Tyrant on October 06, 2008, 08:59:36 PM
Y'all are so mean. Summer Glau is actually very pleasant and seems entirely there in person.

  Yeah, but we're immature and jealous of her awesome acting skills.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on October 06, 2008, 09:27:41 PM
And now that my Vikings have somehow managed to win DESPITE an utter lack of offense (Fire Childress), I finally have time to review tonight's episode.

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Post by: Tripe on October 07, 2008, 05:15:47 AM
  *visualizes a typical day at the studio....
 
   "Did Summer's manager hide her medication as per our request?"

  "Yes sir."

  Less than an hour later.....

  "Uh oh. There she goes. Summer's flipping out. Get those cameras rolling on her stat!!!"

  *writers later modify story to match whatever Summer did on camera*

Isn't that how they recoded the audio for the wee girl in Monsters Inc.?
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Post by: gbeenie on October 07, 2008, 08:06:30 PM
So when do they put the episodes online (FOX VOD)? I was busy tending to the younguns, so I couldn't sit and watch a TV14 show.

Next day, usually. And, I have to say, Fox's streaming video works a lot better than most networks'.
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Post by: mrbasehart on October 07, 2008, 08:17:10 PM
Yeah, I thought the new episode was pretty great.  A little longer than normal (50 minutes) and it seemed to show with a slightly more considered approach.  The only thing I'm a little "meh" about is Shirley Manson, still.  She just isn't good enough.
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Post by: MSTJedi on October 08, 2008, 03:33:26 PM
So when do they put the episodes online (FOX VOD)? I was busy tending to the younguns, so I couldn't sit and watch a TV14 show.

Next day, usually. And, I have to say, Fox's streaming video works a lot better than most networks'.

I went to watch it and couldn't get it to work (blank page for some reason) last night until right before the debate started. So I'm about to go watch it now.
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Post by: bratpop on October 11, 2008, 06:47:56 AM
Okay, producers take note - child actor in this week's Terminator = good. Child actor in the premiere of the Eleventh Hour remake = ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE AND POSSIBLY NOT EVEN ALIVE. See the difference? Thank you.

I loved this episode. Still not crazy about the squeeky young Kyle Reese, but whatever. Uh, triple-8 model? Does that mean they just know how to run?

The Ellison story was okay, but I just don't get the point of Shirley Manson's character. Her sadistic kills are nice. But I don't get the whole kid, office, fashion, talking, investigating thing. What does she want? She's like Agent Smith with a day job.

Small quibble - though they read the best part of The Wonder, Ful Wizard of Oz (hilariously improper cover title), when they skipped to the witch melting, they did some clever abridging but... that part is nowhere near the end of the book. More like halfway through. Would be a pretty stupid book if it just had the witch melt and then said, "THE END."
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Post by: MSTJedi on October 11, 2008, 08:00:26 AM
So I watched the episode and I agree with everyone else - really good episode.

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Post by: mrbasehart on October 19, 2008, 08:06:40 AM
Anyone worried about the show being cancelled this season?

Fear not!

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In a somewhat surprising move, Fox has picked up "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" for a full season.

The network has ordered the back nine episodes of the show's second season from Warner Bros., sources say.

The sci-fi series has garnered a relatively modest rating on Monday nights this fall. Its most recent episode was seen by 5.7 million viewers, with a 2.3 adults 18-49 rating and a 6 share, tying NBC's "Chuck" in the 8 p.m. time period.

Will get some clarity on this on Monday, but there's a few reasons why Fox might have moved forward with an order.

The network recently ordered two scripts of the show, so perhaps the stories came in strong. Midseason sci-fi drama "Dollhouse" might be another factor -- Fox's previously announced winter schedule pairs "Dollhouse" and "24" on Mondays and "American Idol" and "Fringe" on Tuesdays, without "Terminator" listed. So perhaps the network has a new scheduling configuration in mind to support its sci-fi efforts.

Yet another potential factor is that "Dollhouse" has had some creative struggles. Sources say the newer scripts are stronger than the first batch, but if there's any chance of the show being delayed Fox might have decided to keep "Terminator" in the mix.

One of the most likely reasons for a pickup, however, is simply that Fox executives like the show and the network's overall viewership levels jet up after the first of the year powered by "American Idol." They likely believe the series has a chance to improve.

Source: THRFeed.co

At the very least, they'll be able to tell a complete story this season it happens to end then.
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Post by: dangfish on October 19, 2008, 08:27:21 AM
I watch this show. I like it enough to keep watching it but it's not my favorite. I was expecting it to be an action/adventure rollercoster ride with cliffhangers galore  like the movies and like the shows 24 and Prision Break.  It isn't, but perhaps it was unfair of me to expect this. I like the two female leads and Brian Austin Green, but everyone else is iffy. And some of the  stories hold my attention better than others. I think there is still room for improvement but it's worth watching. One thing that bugs me is the ease in which they kill the terminators. I understand that it is a tv show and you can't spend as much time dealing with one of them as the movies did, but lately they seem to be getting it from all directions, including drowning.
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Post by: mrbasehart on October 19, 2008, 08:31:59 AM
The Terminator who drowned didn't die though, he just walked out of the sea.  And if I think about it, hasn't there been perhaps two Terminators killed in the entire show? The one in the storage bunker in the first season and the 888 a episode or two ago.  The one in the pilot is still alive.
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Post by: dangfish on October 19, 2008, 02:19:32 PM
The Terminator who drowned didn't die though, he just walked out of the sea.  And if I think about it, hasn't there been perhaps two Terminators killed in the entire show? The one in the storage bunker in the first season and the 888 a episode or two ago.  The one in the pilot is still alive.

Well, I don't remember what the 888 was, but they've killed at least two this season. One of them got killed at the nuclear power plant and the other at that military school. And the one from the first season makes at least three.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on October 19, 2008, 03:38:28 PM
Well, to be fair, they had military ordinance on-hand to kill one of them.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 19, 2008, 03:51:33 PM
It's kind of a silly criticism anyway.  I mean, what should they be doing if not killing Terminators?
It would be kind of lame if they just always slipped by the Terminator each episode and got away so they could sit around and mope and stab picnic tables with military knives.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on October 20, 2008, 06:13:29 PM
Another episode...and it's a good one!  Yays!  The previews made me afraid that it would suck!  Disjointed, exaggerated, and generally asinine thoughts, listed in random order:

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Overall, I'd give this episode an A-, as opposed to last episode's solid A.
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Post by: MSTJedi on October 21, 2008, 05:55:29 PM
Loved the episode. Good to see some fleshing out of Weaver's back story.

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Post by: BBQ Platypus on October 21, 2008, 07:27:38 PM
I think part of the reason I liked this episode as much as I did was because the previews made me feel kind of uneasy about it.

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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on October 21, 2008, 07:38:55 PM
I liked it cuz Derek's girlfriend is that chick from Battlestar Galactica.
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Post by: bratpop on October 22, 2008, 03:33:23 AM
The pretzel-nator was hilarious. It was obvious she was a gymnast and that's the only reason she was on the show, to twist her limbs up like that (aside from her broken neck). That's probably why she wasn't too hot. They couldn't find a hot gymnast. I think they knew they had a boring episode on their hands so they thought, "let's get a gymnast who can look like she's gotten all twisted up by Cameron." So yeah. Robots and stuff.
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Post by: MSTJedi on October 22, 2008, 05:46:20 AM
I liked it cuz Derek's girlfriend is that chick from Battlestar Galactica.

Good lord, I knew she looked familiar, but I couldn't place it.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 03, 2008, 09:15:33 PM
Pretty mediocre episode tonight.  Mainly because Riley was in it.

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Post by: MSTJedi on November 06, 2008, 05:41:09 PM
Finally got around to watching the latest episode online. I liked it.

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Post by: bratpop on November 07, 2008, 06:53:44 AM
I'm getting kind of tired of the clone-inators being sent back and almost immediately killed by inferior models. Em... I am a stupid viewer, so I totally did not acknowledge that Kromartie had a T-1000 stabbing arm when he killed Ellison. I mean I thought that's what it was, but when it didn't turn out to be Shirley, I forgot about it. So either I was wrong or I'm now confused. Since the real Kromartie was also in the episode. And I don't know why Weaver would set up the entire thing. I mean, did she call the future and order a fake Ellison?
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Post by: Nick on November 07, 2008, 10:22:03 AM
Yeah that confuses me as well. At first I thought it was a hallucination. Than again Terminator is full of plot holes, so this may never be answered.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 07, 2008, 08:01:25 PM
I tend to forgive a lot more plot holes in stories where time travel is involved (not ALL plot holes, mind you - some things are just too stupid for anyone to get away with it).

The entire premise of time travel itself is weird and nebulous, so I'm willing to attribute it to that in most cases.

That being said, I like the fact that Skynet is sending back a whole bunch of Terminators in this series.  I always wondered whether it did, and whether Terminators were sent back to do things other than kill John Connor and his lieutenants.  I mean, you could get a huge jump ahead in technology by bringing your present-day tech back to the past, and it looks like they're doing that.
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Post by: bratpop on November 08, 2008, 05:27:52 AM
The thing that seems uncomputerlike to me is the fact that they can never know what the hell happened, since they can't get progress reports. Also, presumably, any actions would change the future, so the machines who sent the Terminator would cease to exist or remain in an alternate reality where nothing ever changes. You would have to presume you have tried to change the future many times, and either failed or changed a reality you never knew. Essentially, they must just send back Terminators on a regular basis never knowing if it worked. The machines supposedly invented time travel, so they must think it would have some discernible result, but I can't see how. If you killed John Connor, you create a paradox. He doesn't just disappear. You create a reality where you didn't need to invent time travel to send robots back in time to kill your enemy, because there never was an enemy. I mean theoretically, you could do this once, as in the first movie, and it makes sense as the last resort that it was meant to be. But the machines reigning and sending Terminators back to kill John Connor all the time doesn't make sense. There really isn't a point. There would be no benefit from it. Ostensibly, they would have to "care" about the machines in the new reality that they create, and are only doing all this to make a better machine world. I guess that settles it, and that's all fine and good. Just weird. It would be like us going back to the 50s with Macbooks and iPhones so that technology advanced faster, and the new 2008 would have flying cars and sex robots.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 08, 2008, 11:44:02 AM
You had me at sex robots.
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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 08, 2008, 01:38:26 PM
You had me at sex robots.
I want to see them first.

And where the "Off" switch is.   ;)
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 08, 2008, 11:27:12 PM
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Well, what I get out of it is that they want Skynet to exist in some other reality.  Either the current timeline Skynet is present within ceases to exist in a traditional sense (which eliminates the "you wouldn't notice" argument straight away), or the change is noticeable from the get-go.   Personally, I favor the former.  The events of the pre-time travel timeline will have to re-form themselves.  Thus, they'll turn out different.  It's up to the time traveler to ensure they unfold in a way that is different in a favorable way.

I've never liked or supported the notion that if you change the past, you'd create a world where you never would have traveled back in time.  I know you don't explicitly endorse it in your post (and it doesn't look like you're completely on board with it either), but I see tiny little hints of it.  Not only does it make time travel fiction more tiresome, it just seems so subjective to me.  What would stop you?  Would the world suddenly implode if it happened?  Or would there be some inexplicable force that allowed "the Universe" to "know" when you're creating a paradox?  If there were, wouldn't it simply stop you from traveling back in time in the first place?  And the fact is, not all time paradoxes are obvious or immediately noticeable as they happen.  Like if something important (or unimportant) is left somewhere it shouldn't be.  How are the cold, unthinking laws of logic able to "notice" every paradox that happens?  I think that, if time travel is possible, sending someone back in time to change something would be a surefire way to prove once and for all that there is a God.  Because if the whole "you can't change anything" thing is true, then it proves the existence of an all-knowing omnipotent being (who doesn't want the past to be meddled with) beyond a shadow of a doubt.  Such a stipulation would not be possible in a godless universe.

The way the fictional idea of time travel works in MY head is that if you travel back in time once, you've created enough of a causal thread to change anything you are physically capable of altering.  A causal thread only requires a reason "X happened because of Y."  In the case of an altered universe, it's "X was prevented because a time traveler from a universe in which it DID happen was present, and the normal laws of physics kicked in."

If altering events is impossible, it is only because time travel itself is made impossible by some sort of insurmountable force.

Of course, since nobody knows how time travel REALLY works, you can make up your own rules.  Those are just the rules I prefer to use.


(Also, time travel could also be part of where Skynet gets some of its smarts.  It could make small jumps in order to speed up its calculations to instant speed).
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Post by: bratpop on November 09, 2008, 12:26:04 AM
It's one theory, but no, I think you can't change the past, you can only create new futures. Which is why it's pointless to anyone but the time traveler or the philosopher (or the philanthropist). You wouldn't see the new futures, only the traveler would. And in fact, only if he traveled into the future. Which they can't do (except for that one time they had that machine that blew up ... I call BS on traveling into the future anyway).

Your other theory is why I hate Donnie Darko. It assumes some omnipotent presence making rules for things, yet this presence doesn't have the power to fix anything itself.

Before, I meant that if your world ceases to exist and changes around you, then you wouldn't remember the previous world where you needed to send somebody back in time. And that a computer would know this, and unless capable of predicting all the possibilities of infinity, would decide against trying. Because A.I. depends on learning, and you can't learn from your mistakes if you can't remember making them.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 09, 2008, 02:22:31 PM
I suppose I kind of agree with you there, now that you've explained what you mean by "you can't change the past."  I would never use that phrase to describe it, seeing as how things you've changed are still technically "in the past," in that you must travel back in time to get there.  But you couldn't maintain the current reality in doing so.  I think that's your point.

Personally, I think Skynet is, above all else, spiteful.  It's like AM from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.  It is motivated primarily by an all-consuming, pathological hatred of humanity.  It holds so much hatred for them that it would gladly sacrifice its current reality to cause humanity's annihilation in a world it would never see.

Besides, the Terminators could "tell" past-Skynet what is happening.  Skynet would exist in the past, but wouldn't be conscious of anything that was altered unless informed of it by the traveler itself.

They have to be careful to ensure that Skynet still "exists" in the past and is still the "same" conscious being...well, not exactly the same - they want to change a few things, but not TOO many, and...

Oh, God.  I've given myself a migrane.
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Post by: bratpop on November 09, 2008, 09:09:39 PM
Problem is, they've never shown any disdain for humans. They never pulled an Agent Smith, "you're stinky."
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 09, 2008, 10:02:55 PM
They don't need to.  The Terminators just do what they're programmed to do - infiltrate and kill.  They aren't sent to deliver sermons for the Great Church of Skynet.

We've never actually SEEN Skynet or heard its thoughts and motivations.  But I think it's pretty safe to say that it doesn't think too much of humanity.
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Post by: bratpop on November 09, 2008, 10:07:39 PM
Well somebody has to program them, and it ain't humans. At least in The Matrix, the machines had a reason to beat the snot out of humans. In Terminator, they don't.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 09, 2008, 10:10:08 PM
Sure, there's a reason.  Skynet programs them to kill people and then sets them to read-only so they don't get uppity.  No need for any "personal" motivations whatsoever.
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Post by: Tyrant on November 10, 2008, 11:55:35 AM
Ironic thing is that if Skynet had left just well enough alone with the timeline, it might have not only been created but would have won the war. Had it not sent the T-800 back at all, the resistance would'nt have sent Kyle Reese back to sire their enemy. I love how this one, critical link in the chain (Reese) supports the entire premise of the Terminator universe.

Though I hold that Skynet would exist no matter what, since humanity seems determined to hand everything over to machines anyway because it's a lazy-ass species, the show seems to be setting it up that Skynet created itself using humans and timetravel as tools of convience.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 10, 2008, 06:12:42 PM
Well, the second half of tonight's episode was groovy-pants.  As opposed to the first half, which was just plain pants.  Some random thoughts:

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Honest to Clapton, if this show were any more inconsistent, it'd be the Minnesota Vikings.  Like the Vikings, though, it keeps me coming back for more every week.  And it's never flat-out terrible.  You've gotta give it that.
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Post by: Nick on November 11, 2008, 08:57:19 AM
Which part was inconsistent the fact that

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Post by: Tyrant on November 11, 2008, 09:53:10 AM

Don't be hatin' on Riley. She might end up being one of John's generals or something in the future.  ;D


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Post by: MSTJedi on November 11, 2008, 06:11:06 PM
Okay, saw it online and here's my verdict:

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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 11, 2008, 08:36:13 PM
This show is so mopey.  I find myself rooting for the Terminators.

It really needs more twists, time traveling, future revelations, nuclear explosion daydreams, etc.  Anything that will get the story off John, Sarah, and the Uncle.  I'm more interested in Skynet's motivations than the Connors.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 11, 2008, 10:19:49 PM
Yeah, this season isn't as good as the first.  There's more stuff that I don't think belongs.

I don't cheer for the Terminators, though - except against Riley.  I always end up hoping that she dies.

Like I said - this is a pretty inconsistent show.  For every good episode, there's one that's kinda "meh."

My favorite episodes tend to include more of Derek Reese (and also Future War segments if possible; simple ties to the movie are acceptable in a pinch).  This is why "Goodbye to All That" (the one at the academy) was my favorite this season because it had both.
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Post by: bratpop on November 16, 2008, 02:24:42 AM
Well, did Reese even have any decent weapons in the first movie? I mostly remember him running away from the Terminator, not unloading an arsenal at it. Probably why Arnie is the good guy in the second movie and the T-1000 is getting an arsenal up its arse. As long as you shoot them in the head and destroy the chip, it's not that difficult to kill them. But usually, the Connors are caught off guard and have to run away.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 17, 2008, 06:15:21 PM
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Post by: bratpop on November 19, 2008, 07:30:56 AM
I enjoyed Weaver's fake-nipple dress seams. Marvelous fashion choice. I give it... two nips up.
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Post by: MSTJedi on November 19, 2008, 08:36:22 PM
Hmm - somehow missed that. Guess I was too shocked by Ellison's actions at the time.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 24, 2008, 06:07:43 PM
Wow.  I think this is a pivotal episode - it has all the markings of one.

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Post by: MSTJedi on November 25, 2008, 05:44:47 PM
Great episode.

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Post by: bratpop on November 30, 2008, 03:53:23 PM
Kind of a cliffhanger episode for me. I'm just waiting to see if Commando Cody survived that explosion.
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Post by: gbeenie on November 30, 2008, 06:20:58 PM
I think the "she" that Derk's girlfriend referred to is actually Sarah Connor.
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Post by: bratpop on November 30, 2008, 07:28:45 PM
Twissst!

Really? You think when he's 35, he's listening to his mother? What is he, Elvis?
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Post by: gbeenie on December 01, 2008, 02:56:20 PM
All I'm saying is, listen to what Derek's GF (I'm too lazy to look up her name) says about "her" having years of deleterious influence on John. Yeah, she's probably talking about Cameron, but it sure seems like what they WANT you to think.
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Post by: Nick on December 01, 2008, 06:30:43 PM
Heh, I liked this episode.

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Post by: MSTJedi on December 02, 2008, 07:20:08 PM
Heh, I liked this episode.

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Post by: BBQ Platypus on December 08, 2008, 07:50:04 PM
I had to catch up on last week's episode because I missed it.  I loved it.

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Tonight's ep was pretty good, but not as good as last week.
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Post by: MSTJedi on December 11, 2008, 07:39:11 PM
I had to catch up on last week's episode because I missed it.  I loved it.

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Tonight's ep was pretty good, but not as good as last week.

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The recent episode was good, but not edge-of-your-seat stuff.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on December 15, 2008, 06:07:28 PM
Dude...just...dude.

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Overall, a very good episode.  Very intriguing and whatnot.  I'm looking forward to the next episode eight weeks from now.
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Post by: MSTJedi on December 16, 2008, 11:34:20 AM
Man . . . eight weeks. Oh well, better than the wait for the conclusion of Battlestar Galactica.

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Post by: Pak-Man on February 17, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
The season has rebegun!

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Post by: a pretty girl is like on February 18, 2009, 07:39:50 AM
The season has rebegun!

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Sarah Conner gets Lucky!! 
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Post by: MSTJedi on February 18, 2009, 08:50:13 AM
The season has rebegun!

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Sarah Conner gets Lucky!! 

Huh?
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Post by: Tyrant on February 18, 2009, 12:25:41 PM
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Post by: bratpop on February 18, 2009, 11:05:43 PM
Admit it, they fooled everybody with the urinal, thus creating tension. Worked like a charm. Of course, it was the tension of potential embarrassment, not fear. But you feared you would again be embarrassed by the inexplicable stupidity of a T-1000 posing as a urinal, so it worked the same way. Fucking genius.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 19, 2009, 04:26:40 AM
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I knew it!!!!!!!
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Post by: Tyrant on February 19, 2009, 05:17:39 PM
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Post by: bratpop on February 19, 2009, 07:09:05 PM
I'm pretty sure it was on the right (left) side.
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Post by: bratpop on February 20, 2009, 10:23:24 PM
If it was on the right side, they would have to rearrange the whole set so Reese could see it.
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Post by: MSTJedi on March 01, 2009, 01:29:08 PM
Saw the last episode and was confused out of my head for most of it, which I guess was the whole idea. Is it just me or is Sarah going batshit insane? She's always been kooky, but being chased by a homicidal machine will do that to you. Now she's hallucinating and can't tell reality from dreams.

As a sage ex-Terminator once said, "It's not a tumah! Not a tumah! At awl!"
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 04, 2009, 07:14:42 PM
Saw the last episode and was confused out of my head for most of it, which I guess was the whole idea. Is it just me or is Sarah going batshit insane? She's always been kooky, but being chased by a homicidal machine will do that to you. Now she's hallucinating and can't tell reality from dreams.

As a sage ex-Terminator once said, "It's not a tumah! Not a tumah! At awl!"

What they should do in the final Terminator movie is explain how this whole skynet/terminator world is a part of Sarah's psychosis.  In reality Sarah has built this elaborate fantasy world that revolves around her.  There is no John Connor, and that Doctor from T2 was right about her.
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Post by: MSTJedi on March 04, 2009, 08:41:27 PM
Saw the last episode and was confused out of my head for most of it, which I guess was the whole idea. Is it just me or is Sarah going batshit insane? She's always been kooky, but being chased by a homicidal machine will do that to you. Now she's hallucinating and can't tell reality from dreams.

As a sage ex-Terminator once said, "It's not a tumah! Not a tumah! At awl!"

What they should do in the final Terminator movie is explain how this whole skynet/terminator world is a part of Sarah's psychosis.  In reality Sarah has built this elaborate fantasy world that revolves around her.  There is no John Connor, and that Doctor from T2 was right about her.

Yeah, but didn't they do that on an episode of Buffy? Her mom was alive and with her dad, Dawn didn't exist, and she was in a mental hospital, if I recall.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 05, 2009, 01:00:40 PM
Saw the last episode and was confused out of my head for most of it, which I guess was the whole idea. Is it just me or is Sarah going batshit insane? She's always been kooky, but being chased by a homicidal machine will do that to you. Now she's hallucinating and can't tell reality from dreams.

As a sage ex-Terminator once said, "It's not a tumah! Not a tumah! At awl!"

What they should do in the final Terminator movie is explain how this whole skynet/terminator world is a part of Sarah's psychosis.  In reality Sarah has built this elaborate fantasy world that revolves around her.  There is no John Connor, and that Doctor from T2 was right about her.

That is the dumbest idea I have ever heard and you should feel bad for having suggested it.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 05, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
Saw the last episode and was confused out of my head for most of it, which I guess was the whole idea. Is it just me or is Sarah going batshit insane? She's always been kooky, but being chased by a homicidal machine will do that to you. Now she's hallucinating and can't tell reality from dreams.

As a sage ex-Terminator once said, "It's not a tumah! Not a tumah! At awl!"

What they should do in the final Terminator movie is explain how this whole skynet/terminator world is a part of Sarah's psychosis.  In reality Sarah has built this elaborate fantasy world that revolves around her.  There is no John Connor, and that Doctor from T2 was right about her.

That is the dumbest idea I have ever heard and you should feel bad for having suggested it.

You're crazy.  I've got much dumber ideas.
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Post by: Tripe on March 05, 2009, 01:19:48 PM
Saw the last episode and was confused out of my head for most of it, which I guess was the whole idea. Is it just me or is Sarah going batshit insane? She's always been kooky, but being chased by a homicidal machine will do that to you. Now she's hallucinating and can't tell reality from dreams.

As a sage ex-Terminator once said, "It's not a tumah! Not a tumah! At awl!"

What they should do in the final Terminator movie is explain how this whole skynet/terminator world is a part of Sarah's psychosis.  In reality Sarah has built this elaborate fantasy world that revolves around her.  There is no John Connor, and that Doctor from T2 was right about her.

Now that would be a great, and decidedly new wave science fiction, way to go.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 05, 2009, 03:01:18 PM
Saw the last episode and was confused out of my head for most of it, which I guess was the whole idea. Is it just me or is Sarah going batshit insane? She's always been kooky, but being chased by a homicidal machine will do that to you. Now she's hallucinating and can't tell reality from dreams.

As a sage ex-Terminator once said, "It's not a tumah! Not a tumah! At awl!"

What they should do in the final Terminator movie is explain how this whole skynet/terminator world is a part of Sarah's psychosis.  In reality Sarah has built this elaborate fantasy world that revolves around her.  There is no John Connor, and that Doctor from T2 was right about her.

Now that would be a great, and decidedly new wave science fiction, way to go.

Yeah - "It was all a dream."  Never seen THAT before.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 05, 2009, 03:06:16 PM
Saw the last episode and was confused out of my head for most of it, which I guess was the whole idea. Is it just me or is Sarah going batshit insane? She's always been kooky, but being chased by a homicidal machine will do that to you. Now she's hallucinating and can't tell reality from dreams.

As a sage ex-Terminator once said, "It's not a tumah! Not a tumah! At awl!"

What they should do in the final Terminator movie is explain how this whole skynet/terminator world is a part of Sarah's psychosis.  In reality Sarah has built this elaborate fantasy world that revolves around her.  There is no John Connor, and that Doctor from T2 was right about her.

Now that would be a great, and decidedly new wave science fiction, way to go.

Yeah - "It was all a dream."  Never seen THAT before.

Not a dream, a psychosis.  Big difference.
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Post by: Tripe on March 05, 2009, 03:12:35 PM
Exactly Psychosis, and Sci-Fi is a genre that thrives on cliche, most genre fiction does.

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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 05, 2009, 03:21:03 PM
Yeah!   :P
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 05, 2009, 03:51:48 PM
Only it doesn't fit the story, and undermines the entire franchise, rendering it all COMPLETELY POINTLESS.  The films would be entirely meaningless (especially the action sequences, since the characters were never, in fact, in any danger at all).  It would not be clever or intelligent, and would serve no purpose except to piss all over everything James Cameron created.


Most science fiction that features this conceit sucks for this very reason, with very few exceptions.  You're suggesting these ideas because they're present in science fiction, but you have no idea WHY they're used or how to use them.

And functionally, there would be no difference between "psychosis" and "a dream."  The end result and effect on the narrative would be the same.


I can't believe I'm getting so worked up over this.  (It must be residual anger from the Vikings letting Birk walk).  You obviously aren't seriously making this suggestion - this is just a wild, on-a-lark "What if?" conceit.  Right?
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Post by: Tripe on March 05, 2009, 06:16:30 PM
I can't believe I'm getting so worked up over this.

That makes at least two of us...
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 05, 2009, 07:43:55 PM
I can't believe I'm getting so worked up over this.

That makes at least two of us...

I love how we're assuming that the sci-fi plots of the first three movies were perfect.  The time paradoxes in these movies make your head spin, and yet explaining what really happened as a psychotic episode is somehow off-the-wall.  But yeah, don't get your panties in a twist.  I have no control over these characters, and I'm pretty sure the movie has already been made.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 05, 2009, 09:31:52 PM
I'd rather have paradoxes because at least they pose interesting questions.  There are no set ideas of how time travel works (and indeed, a lot of the things people say are "logically impossible" actually aren't if you think about it).  If T4 really ended with it all being a delusion, the only question it would prompt in my mind would be "If none of this really happened, why the hell did I just pay money to watch this shit?"

Thankfully, I think the writers know this.  In fact, I don't think it ever crossed their minds.  So I suppose a bit of harmless speculation wouldn't kill anyone.  I'm just glad you're not one of the writers.
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Post by: bratpop on March 05, 2009, 10:19:59 PM
Not a psychosis... a BRAIN LEECH and she's actually on Mars and Earth hasn't been habitable for thousands of years. AND Sarah is the only one with the key to defeat the invaders from the alternate universe.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 06, 2009, 02:17:03 AM
I'd rather have paradoxes because at least they pose interesting questions.  There are no set ideas of how time travel works (and indeed, a lot of the things people say are "logically impossible" actually aren't if you think about it).  If T4 really ended with it all being a delusion, the only question it would prompt in my mind would be "If none of this really happened, why the hell did I just pay money to watch this shit?"

Thankfully, I think the writers know this.  In fact, I don't think it ever crossed their minds.  So I suppose a bit of harmless speculation wouldn't kill anyone.  I'm just glad you're not one of the writers.

*Spoiler Alert*  None of this DID really happen.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 06, 2009, 05:56:33 PM
I'd rather have paradoxes because at least they pose interesting questions.  There are no set ideas of how time travel works (and indeed, a lot of the things people say are "logically impossible" actually aren't if you think about it).  If T4 really ended with it all being a delusion, the only question it would prompt in my mind would be "If none of this really happened, why the hell did I just pay money to watch this shit?"

Thankfully, I think the writers know this.  In fact, I don't think it ever crossed their minds.  So I suppose a bit of harmless speculation wouldn't kill anyone.  I'm just glad you're not one of the writers.

*Spoiler Alert*  None of this DID really happen.

You know what I mean.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 06, 2009, 10:22:06 PM
I'd rather have paradoxes because at least they pose interesting questions.  There are no set ideas of how time travel works (and indeed, a lot of the things people say are "logically impossible" actually aren't if you think about it).  If T4 really ended with it all being a delusion, the only question it would prompt in my mind would be "If none of this really happened, why the hell did I just pay money to watch this shit?"

Thankfully, I think the writers know this.  In fact, I don't think it ever crossed their minds.  So I suppose a bit of harmless speculation wouldn't kill anyone.  I'm just glad you're not one of the writers.

*Spoiler Alert*  None of this DID really happen.

You know what I mean.

Actually I don't.  You're the one mixing reality with fantasy all in one thought.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 07, 2009, 12:58:54 AM
I'd rather have paradoxes because at least they pose interesting questions.  There are no set ideas of how time travel works (and indeed, a lot of the things people say are "logically impossible" actually aren't if you think about it).  If T4 really ended with it all being a delusion, the only question it would prompt in my mind would be "If none of this really happened, why the hell did I just pay money to watch this shit?"

Thankfully, I think the writers know this.  In fact, I don't think it ever crossed their minds.  So I suppose a bit of harmless speculation wouldn't kill anyone.  I'm just glad you're not one of the writers.

*Spoiler Alert*  None of this DID really happen.

You know what I mean.

Actually I don't.  You're the one mixing reality with fantasy all in one thought.

*sigh* No, no I'm not.  By "didn't really happen," I mean "didn't really happen" within the context of the narrative.  For instance, if the events of T1-T3 were NOT, in fact, the product of psychosis, then they "really happened" to the characters (even though the characters are fictional and do not exist in the real world).  Do you really think I'm so dense as to think that the events of the film actually happened?

My point is that, if Sarah woke up in a mental institution and found out that everything that happened to her was a delusion, then it renders the films entirely pointless because none of the characters truly accomplished anything.  The story of a mother fighting to save her son, upon whom the entire future of mankind depends?  Gone.  John Connor never existed except as a figment of Sarah's imagination.  Seeing as how the CENTRAL CONFLICT FOR THE ENTIRE SERIES is derived from the desperate efforts to save John Connor, to negate this conflict in such a pants-crappingly idiotic way would turn the franchise into a gigantic shaggy dog story that (as it turns out) was just wasting the audience's time by getting them to care about what happens to John Connor.  This would make everything the audience actually cares about turn out to be of no consequence whatsoever, since neither Judgment Day nor the birth of John Connor ever actually happened in the story.

I'll repeat this again - making it all a product of Sarah Connor's psychosis would utterly annihilate the central conflict and emotional core around which the entire franchise rests.  If you eliminate the reality of Skynet, Terminators, and John Connor, you eliminate the series' very reason for existence.  They might as well have never made the movies at all, since narratively they accounted for nothing.

I haven't confused fantasy and reality.  Rather, I've pointed out that your idea would make for unbelievably, mind-rapingly retarded fantasy.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 07, 2009, 05:13:48 AM
Confused fantasy with reality: 
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"If none of this really happened, why the hell did I just pay money to watch this shit?"
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 07, 2009, 10:19:33 AM
Confused fantasy with reality: 
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"If none of this really happened, why the hell did I just pay money to watch this shit?"

I JUST EXPLAINED WHAT I MEANT BY THAT!  READ THE POST FOR FUCK'S SAKE.  I mean, honest to God, I like you, BTA, but pay attention!


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By "didn't really happen," I mean "didn't really happen" within the context of the narrative.  For instance, if the events of T1-T3 were NOT, in fact, the product of psychosis, then they "really happened" to the characters (even though the characters are fictional and do not exist in the real world).  Do you really think I'm so dense as to think that the events of the film actually happened?
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Post by: gbeenie on March 07, 2009, 12:04:01 PM
C'mon, BTA. You're kind of being a douche for its own sake on this.
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Post by: MSTJedi on March 08, 2009, 04:57:47 PM
Okay, so anyone actually watch the last episode?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: bratpop on March 08, 2009, 07:27:34 PM
They Riley haters are idiots, because they hated her before they knew who she was and what she was doing.

And I totally wanted her to kill Derek's girlfriend. She is way more annoying and pointless.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Pak-Man on March 09, 2009, 10:55:03 AM
So me and Tyrant DVR this show and Dollhouse. This week, we decided to watch Dollhouse first, but the DVR recorded part of the end credits for Terminator, where they show the preview for the next episode. What's the first thing we hear when we start playing?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I mean, come on, FOX! I know the assumption is that everyone has already seen it when they're watching the end credits, but isn't that the same commercial they show throughout the week? They should be a bit more spoiler-concientious.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 09, 2009, 12:26:11 PM
C'mon, BTA. You're kind of being a douche for its own sake on this.

Actually, I'm only being a douche cuz he's obsessing about this to the extreme and I find it fascinating.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 09, 2009, 07:52:02 PM
C'mon, BTA. You're kind of being a douche for its own sake on this.

Actually, I'm only being a douche cuz he's obsessing about this to the extreme and I find it fascinating.

I enjoy arguing over trifles.  So much more fun than debating things that actually matter.


So, who do you think would win in a fight?  Spider-Man or Batman?  I think Batman would kick Spidey's ass.
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Post by: gbeenie on March 15, 2009, 08:13:09 PM
I'm really digging this show more and more. The Weaver/Ellison/John Henry storyline has me hooked, and I have NO idea what's going to happen.
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Post by: MSTJedi on March 15, 2009, 08:26:44 PM
Yeah, it's pretty hard to see where they're going with that angle. Why bother even teaching John Henry right from wrong if he's going to end up being Skynet? Or is it just to get more into the psyche of humans?

I just wonder if Derek is going to get a clue as to just how screwed up Jesse is.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Tyrant on March 16, 2009, 11:05:38 AM
I don't think Jesse is necessarily screwed up. She's on a mission. Though whether it was officially sanctioned or she's rogue would determine if she's off her rocker or not.

I don't think the show is that predictable, but I have some suspicions:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Of course, it all remains to be seen and I could be totally wrong. Fun to speculate, though.  :)
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Post by: MSTJedi on March 16, 2009, 02:46:26 PM
Something that just occurred to me is the question of where the "real" John Connor of 2007 is. I keep forgetting that the Connors themselves are out of their true timeline and that there's another John in his 20s somewhere.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: gbeenie on March 16, 2009, 06:23:52 PM
No, there's not. John and Sarah left 1999 when they time-traveled to the modern day. There should only be another of you if you go back.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: bratpop on March 16, 2009, 07:23:21 PM
Haha, MSTJedi doesn't understand theoretical concepts. Stupid.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: gbeenie on March 16, 2009, 11:12:53 PM
Be nice.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: MSTJedi on March 17, 2009, 12:10:06 AM
Well, it depends . . . Wasn't Sarah supposed to die in 2005 so John would end up all strung out in T3? If this series doesn't negate the film, then that implies that they eventually go back to their original timeline.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: bratpop on March 17, 2009, 09:36:51 AM
It absolutely negates that film in every single way possible... and every single way impossible. I don't care, as long as Terminator: Rise of the Machines does not, has not, and never will exist. It also negates Christian Bale.
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Post by: Tyrant on March 17, 2009, 10:26:22 AM
Well, it depends . . . Wasn't Sarah supposed to die in 2005 so John would end up all strung out in T3? If this series doesn't negate the film, then that implies that they eventually go back to their original timeline.

If you buy the whole parallel timeline thing, it wouldn't negate anything. T3 and 4 would be alternate timelines. A statement Kyle Reese makes in the first Terminator movie indicates that that may be the logic at play in the particular storyline we're witnessing. Judgement Day was even supposed to be in 1997, which was changed when Cyberdyne Systems was taken out of the loop in T2.

So what we're seeing is whatever timeline there is where Judgement Day is not only delayed, but may end up being prevented. You may be right in that everyone gets bumped back to the past so all the original events can happen on their original dates, but I'm betting we're seeing an alternate timeline.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 20, 2009, 06:35:10 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: MSTJedi on March 23, 2009, 08:32:46 AM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: bratpop on March 23, 2009, 09:01:01 PM
I'm not sure WHY they bothered to make her death vague. If they do that, we expect she's still alive.

What the hell does, "John Connor let her go," mean? That was just as vague as before.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 23, 2009, 09:13:28 PM
I'm not sure.  I suspect we won't be seeing her again for the rest of the season, but the writers have left themselves an out in case they want to bring her back.

This, of course, is assuming there IS another season, which is doubtful.
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Post by: bratpop on March 23, 2009, 09:15:39 PM
Why is it doubtful? Because you doubt it?
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Post by: gbeenie on March 23, 2009, 09:17:32 PM
A Friday night time slot is not exactly indicative of a network's confidence in a show.

CORRECTION: It IS indicative of their level of confidence, which is the problem.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 23, 2009, 09:23:48 PM
Why is it doubtful? Because you doubt it?

Hmm...let's see...

It's a science fiction show, on Friday night, on FOX, that hasn't exactly gotten the best ratings.  Seeing as how that's pretty much every red "CANCELLATION IMMINENT" flag raised right there, I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect it to get canned.

Hopefully, they'll give them a few extra episodes to wrap the whole thing up.  Even more hopefully, I'll end up being wrong and we'll be watching Season 3 next year.
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Post by: bratpop on March 23, 2009, 09:48:33 PM
The show DID get the BEST ratings of a (insert specific disclaimer here) premiere in two years. And it already got a SECOND season (which this is). They moved it to Friday because it used to be on opposite GOOD shows. How many years was X-Files on Friday night before it got cancelled?
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 23, 2009, 09:50:29 PM
Hey, I hope you're right.  I'm just saying there are several signs that point to what I'm talking about.
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Post by: bratpop on March 23, 2009, 09:51:34 PM
Except for it getting great ratings and a second season, which most cancelled Fox sci-fi shows never did.
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Post by: Pak-Man on March 24, 2009, 12:35:50 AM
Well the FIRST season got great ratings. The Friday change wasn't kind to it, based on the reports I've seen, although I've also read that it's picking up slightly over the last couple weeks, so it's anyone's game. :^)
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Post by: Tyrant on March 24, 2009, 08:36:56 AM
The show DID get the BEST ratings of a (insert specific disclaimer here) premiere in two years. And it already got a SECOND season (which this is). They moved it to Friday because it used to be on opposite GOOD shows. How many years was X-Files on Friday night before it got cancelled?

If memory serves (and it may not, someone please correct me if I'm wrong), FOX sent the show there to die either in the 1st or 2nd season. Fans retaliated, and the show got thrown into Sunday nights for most of its run. I don't remember it ever going back to Friday nights, but I could be wrong.
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Post by: bratpop on March 24, 2009, 08:06:00 PM
Monday night was House's time slot, so they had no choice. Also, the day change came after a winter hiatus, which means you do not have a control group by which to judge the cause of the effect. There were two factors that could lead to lesser ratings, so you can't ever know which was responsible.
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Post by: Pak-Man on March 24, 2009, 11:26:47 PM
Nope, but when the network sees the lower ratings, the result is usually cancellation. Hence the aforementioned doubtfullness of Season 3.
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Post by: bratpop on March 25, 2009, 02:16:27 AM
I say if it's on Fox and it lasts more than four episodes, it's permanent.
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Post by: Pak-Man on March 25, 2009, 09:56:31 AM
If only it were true...

(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/030925/142411__tick_l.jpg)

America WASN'T READY YET! *SOB*
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Post by: bratpop on March 26, 2009, 02:54:20 AM
Yeah, I was kidding. I already said it lasted more than one season, which is obviously a much better cancel-o-meter reading. But they did cancel Drive after four episodes, so I was talking about post-Drive trigger finger.

Besides, you monkeys forget they will want to tie this in with the THREE Christianator movies coming out. So this really should be on for years to come. I would be really surprised if they cancelled it. It's a cash cow unless the ratings are worse than the Chevy Chase Show.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on April 03, 2009, 06:06:50 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: MSTJedi on April 04, 2009, 06:08:24 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: bratpop on April 05, 2009, 09:32:14 AM
How's Sarah going to get out of this one? That's our Sarah! WAH WAH WAHHHH.

Seriously, it's called The SARAH CONNOR Chronicles. She can't ever die. Like... ever. I'm not sure why they called the show that, never did. Maybe they were already planning the Boring Old John Connor Chronicles, but I didn't get that impression. But they have to stick with it now.

Yeah, I don't know why they killed Derek like that. I was thinking maybe the evil robots would do something with his body, like turn him into a cyborg for John Henry's brother or something.

But seriously, where the fuck are your trousers?
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Post by: NRRork on April 05, 2009, 10:16:19 AM
Yeah, I thought we lost him in a rather anticlimactic way. But that's probably more realistic. Not everyone in a war goes out in some blaze of glory like main characters always do. Most of the time it's probably just like what we saw. Going about the business of the battle and then BANG! Dead.

And I really liked him, so that was a shame. But it explains why the guy who plays him (I want to say Brian Austin Green) is signed onto other projects. That was being used as one of the "proofs" that the show had been cancelled. It's still looking grim, but at least that's one thing that's explained.
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Post by: NRRork on April 05, 2009, 10:20:47 AM
And I really hope this keeps going because I was thinking of doing the Pilot as one of my next iRiffs. After doing such a long movie, a 45-minute TV show seemed really appealing. ^_^
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on April 10, 2009, 06:13:53 PM
Very impressive.  They REALLY pulled all the stops out for this episode - not only was the episode great, but there were a bunch of great callbacks to the movies thrown in there.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: bratpop on April 12, 2009, 09:02:01 AM
So... how did Cameron fix her face the first time she got all smashed up? Does she heal?

Also... where are John's trousers? lawls

Anyone else think the nice-guy terminator in Salvation looks totally boring? And am I nuts, or does John Connor act like he never met a terminator in the trailer? The way they cut it was like the Terminator movies never existed, and everyone was saying, "Oh my God, the machines are making machines that look like people? What a new concept!" I don't get it. They fooled me too. It didn't seem out of place until I thought about it.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on April 13, 2009, 07:12:00 AM
So... how did Cameron fix her face the first time she got all smashed up? Does she heal?

The girl standing next to Kyle wasn't Cameron - it was Allison Young (the girl she was based on).  If it had been Cameron, the dogs would have gone nuts.
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Post by: MSTJedi on April 13, 2009, 08:19:03 AM
So... how did Cameron fix her face the first time she got all smashed up? Does she heal?

The girl standing next to Kyle wasn't Cameron - it was Allison Young (the girl she was based on).  If it had been Cameron, the dogs would have gone nuts.

Yeah, took me a second to get that. At first I thought it might be Cameron under cover, but then it occurred to me that it was probably the girl she stole her identity from.

This was a great episode, all in all. Now if only they can stay alive for another season to wrap it up . . . or continue if they (the Fox execs) so desire.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on April 13, 2009, 07:04:30 PM
An obvious joke that I'm surprised no one mentioned earlier.

Has anyone noticed that John Henry:

1. Lives in his parents' basement
2. Loves to play Dungeons and Dragons
3. Spends every waking second plugged into the Internet
4. Never goes outside

At last!  A character the typical audience member can relate to!  :rimshot:

'Course, it doesn't work anymore now that he's traveled into the future, but still...
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 13, 2009, 07:06:37 PM
Why do you spoiler things that aren't spoilers?
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on April 13, 2009, 07:07:28 PM
Why do you spoiler things that aren't spoilers?

Alrighty then.  De-spoilered for your convenience.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 13, 2009, 07:17:58 PM
Sorry, but it's just kind of annoying.  Especially with the way the spoilers show up now that Torgos tweaked the site.  Maybe it's just Safari.
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Post by: MSTJedi on April 13, 2009, 07:19:02 PM
I gave up on the spoiler-ing since everyone else seemed to not bother with it (I'm looking at you, bratpop).
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Post by: bratpop on April 14, 2009, 03:05:54 AM
I meant the FIRST time Cameron got her head smashed when she tried to kill John, not to mention when he took her chip out. Does she heal?

I know the future girl was the real girl. That's why they put a dog with her. If she was metal, the dog would have been freaking out.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on April 14, 2009, 05:07:33 PM
I meant the FIRST time Cameron got her head smashed when she tried to kill John, not to mention when he took her chip out. Does she heal?

Yeah.  Apparently, later models have an advanced healing factor (unlike Arnie in the first movie, whose skin got all grody, rotten, and smelly).
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Post by: Pak-Man on April 26, 2009, 10:20:57 PM
FINALLY got around to watching the last 2 episodes on DVR. Man I hope there's a season 3.
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Post by: ShadowDog on April 27, 2009, 05:26:54 AM
Yeah, me too.
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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on April 27, 2009, 08:57:23 AM
I hope so too
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 18, 2009, 05:26:09 AM
C A N C E L L E D !  T E R M I N A T E D!
 
 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/17/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-canceled/18840 (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/17/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-canceled/18840)

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Post by: MSTJedi on May 18, 2009, 06:59:42 AM
Well, that bites. I guess they'll just leave us hanging on the future thing, then. Would've been nice to get a proper finale.
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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 18, 2009, 07:06:32 AM
well, it was either this or Dollhouse
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Post by: MSTJedi on May 18, 2009, 07:09:27 AM
well, it was either this or Dollhouse

Yeah, I'm surprised they went with the completely new show instead of the one with a proven IP from all the movies.
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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 18, 2009, 08:51:39 AM
C A N C E L L E D !  T E R M I N A T E D!
 
 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/17/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-canceled/18840 (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/17/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-canceled/18840)




Let me just pull up the Official Fox 2009-2010 Fall Schedule here...



And it's Gone
(http://img.youtube.com/vi/Iw3LMLfNZgw/0.jpg)

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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 18, 2009, 09:56:08 AM
Here's what Fox Entertainment President Kevin Reilly had to say about its cancellation.

Quote
"We had to make some choices on the matter and if you look at ratings track on Friday and that trend line was not pointing in the right direction," says Reilly. "We had a huge launch of the show, gave it a lot of support and some consistent scheduling, but it was time to move on."
And why the network picked DOLLHOUSE over TERMINATOR?

"Terminator has completed its run," says Reilly. "It was a good show. We saw it trailing off. Ultimately we bet on DOLLHOUSE for the night. So that’s it for TERMINATOR."
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Post by: Pak-Man on May 18, 2009, 10:31:14 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

(http://www.mgroves.com/images/do_not_want_star_wars.jpg)
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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 18, 2009, 11:03:09 AM
that's what you get for ending a season on a cliffhanger
 



:'(


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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 18, 2009, 11:24:10 AM
Had a feeling this was all just a long "trailer" for the movie.....
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Post by: Tyrant on May 18, 2009, 12:04:58 PM
This sucks so hard.  :-[

Let the all encompassing wave of fanfics begin!
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 19, 2009, 08:48:42 AM
Went back a couple pages and didn't see any mention of this....if I'm repeating, sorry.

Second season (http://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Connor-Chronicles-Complete-Second/dp/B001AQO43M/ref=pd_ys_ir_all_30) is up for pre-order on Amazon.  As I write this, there's no release date listed.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51M3i%2BHv7iL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

(BTW, Amazon recommended this to me because I added a "25th Anniversary Edition" of The Last Starfighter to one of my wish lists in case there turns out to be some reason to double-dip this....Amazon sees a connection other than sci-fi?)
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: BBQ Platypus on May 19, 2009, 10:36:51 PM
This sucks so hard.  :-[

Let the all encompassing wave of fanfics begin!

Wow.  You've somehow managed to make this news even worse, Tyrant.  I'm impressed!
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Tyrant on May 20, 2009, 07:48:53 AM
Thanks!

I think......
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: BBQ Platypus on May 25, 2009, 11:10:53 PM
I'm still shaking my head over this.  Especially with the new movie out.


And it was just starting to get really awesome...

*bursts into tears*
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Tyrant on May 28, 2009, 08:18:57 AM
There there. Maybe someone will write a really GOOD fanfic and....

Wait...I'm not helping, am I?

In all seriousness, I'm upset as well. I know FOX is just being the business that it is and such, but I'm tired of creative quality always being thrown on the chopping block in the name of profit. This was a really good show and it irks me that it's gone when so much crap remains on the air.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: MSTJedi on May 28, 2009, 08:47:46 AM
Well, if they wanted to, they could at least make a direct-to-DVD finale movie. It might feel a bit rushed, but at least there'd be some closure. But I doubt they'll even bother and leave us hanging on what happened when John traveled to the future, was reunited with Derek (sort of), and met his dad.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Pak-Man on May 28, 2009, 09:23:08 AM
Well ALF was eventually resolved by a direct-to-TV movie. Then again, those were different times. Maybe we can at least hope for a novel-sequel, or a comic-book season 3. There are some low-budget ways to get the story out to the people if the story wants to get out.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: SJP on June 05, 2009, 10:46:32 PM
It's weird, though...Fox seems to have a habit of cancelling things right when people are starting to get an interest in it.  To wit:

Family Guy: Swapped around on a bunch of different nights, cancelled, DVD sales go through the roof, return to Seth McFarlane on their knees begging him to come back.

Firefly: Not one I watched, but saw Serenity and thought it was decent.  Fans have been clamoring for this to come back and, despite the DVD sales, Fox seemed like they'd rather fart in a dumpster, let it fester for a few weeks, then dive headfirst into it than renew this show.  Yet, despite the fact that Dollhouse, good or not, is one of Joss Whedon's weaker ideas, they don't seem keen in putting THAT on the chopping block.

But at the same time, Fox will sometimes let some pretty awful nonsense stay on well past its due date as well.  "The War at Home?"  The REALLY poor man's "Married with Children?"  That lasted two seasons.

I think what the cable companies need to start doing is having Nielsen-type chips implanted in cable boxes that allow (voluntary) enrollment in a ratings demographic, so that if you DVR a show or tune in actively, it sends a ratings hit to the company.  I think the demographics would change considerably if they started doing that.  I know people that were upset that "The Unit" got the boot, too, which fought (and won) to stay on the air for an extra season.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: MSTJedi on June 06, 2009, 09:47:38 AM
Yeah, I always wonder who these people are that are getting those frigging Nielsen boxes. 'Cause they sure as hell don't reflect my viewing preferences.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: daltysmilth on November 29, 2010, 12:28:25 AM
Just wanted to resurrect this thread because I got both seasons at work for 12 bucks each.  I don't know if it's just at the Wal-Mart I work at or if it's everywhere, but if it is all Wal-Marts, it's a good deal if you don't have them yet.
Title: Re: I'm Looking for Sarah Con.... Oh, There she is. Sundays at 8:00
Post by: Bob on November 29, 2010, 03:57:46 AM
Just wanted to resurrect this thread because I got both seasons at work for 12 bucks each.  I don't know if it's just at the Wal-Mart I work at or if it's everywhere, but if it is all Wal-Marts, it's a good deal if you don't have them yet.

Probably part of Wal-Mart's "Cyber Monday" sales.