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Title: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: George-2.0 on August 21, 2020, 04:42:48 PM
Okay, here it is. I did check to allow changes, so that should not be a problem. You have 5 days, 3 choices.

And if a Mod could please sticky this that would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 21, 2020, 05:13:56 PM
is the riffed movies list only Rifftrax or include MST3K, Cinimatic Titanic, and others?
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: Pak-Man on August 21, 2020, 07:50:54 PM
I submitted that one. The plan is for any of the main riffing projects. MST, Rifftrax, Film Crew, The Mads, Cinematic Titanic. I'm also going to exclude Just- the-Jokes Rifftrax so the movies are all in the same general league. No Avengers or Star Wars to sweep the polls.
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: linszoid on August 22, 2020, 01:07:14 PM
I'm up for any of the options but I do consider myself an expert on riffed movies!
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: CJones on August 24, 2020, 04:43:21 PM
It looks like Novels is likely to win, and I wanted to get people's opinion about something in advance: How should book series be handled? For example should A Song of Ice and Fire be counted as one novel, or should each book count separately?

My feeling is that, if a series constitutes one long story (ASoIaF, Lord of the Rings, His Dark Materials), it should be counted as one. If the individual books are stand alone plots that take place in the same continuity (like the Discworld books), they should be counted separately. I'm concerned that if we count individual books of a narrative separately it'll split the vote.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: linszoid on August 24, 2020, 06:45:39 PM
I tend to follow "1 per series" rules myself.
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 24, 2020, 08:19:56 PM
Books will be an odd list for me, I've read hundreds of books but all by a handful of authors.  All of Alan Dean Fosters books, all of Douglas Adams, maybe 1/5 of Pratchet, most of Arthur C Clark, and the last few years a lot of Trevor H. Cooley (edgewriter here).

Do the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy books all count as one series?  They do all tell the story of Arthur Dent, in somewhat chronological order but are also fine as stand alone books.

Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: George-2.0 on August 24, 2020, 09:46:41 PM
I'd go with the series, like the Hillerman's Navajo Police series, I'd have a difficult time remembering one over the other, they're just one big series in my mind. But if I had to I'd try and break them up.
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 24, 2020, 10:06:21 PM
 With the HGTTG books, I can remember each one distinctly, the second one being the book that makes me laugh harder than any other book I've ever read.
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: George-2.0 on August 26, 2020, 08:32:31 PM
Voting is closed, Novels take the prize and is our next LoC
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: CJones on August 27, 2020, 09:53:40 AM
With the HGTTG books, I can remember each one distinctly, the second one being the book that makes me laugh harder than any other book I've ever read.

The second one is my favorite as well  :)

Hmm, that's a judgement call. I'm inclined to consider them separate books. There isn't really an overarching plot, more just a sequence of events. And if you go by the original radio plays, the sequence isn't even in the same order.

I'll start the voting topic proper either tonight or tomorrow. Probably tonight.
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 27, 2020, 12:24:50 PM
With the HGTTG books, I can remember each one distinctly, the second one being the book that makes me laugh harder than any other book I've ever read.

The second one is my favorite as well  :)

Hmm, that's a judgement call. I'm inclined to consider them separate books. There isn't really an overarching plot, more just a sequence of events. And if you go by the original radio plays, the sequence isn't even in the same order.

I'll start the voting topic proper either tonight or tomorrow. Probably tonight.

Yes, all the different versions of the stories are either out of order or in conflict with each other.  And after a while Douglas himself couldn't keep all of it straight.  The intro to one of the omnibus editions says: "Anything  that  is  put  down  wrong  here  is,  as  far  as  I'm  concerned,  wrong  for  good".

I'm split between the 2nd and 3rd being my favorite, the chapter where Arthur meets Agrajag might be the most funny single chapter in any book ever.  There are pages in that chapter that took me a long time to get through the first time because of all the laughing.
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: stethacantus on August 27, 2020, 12:45:20 PM
I will have to see what the definition of "Novel" is before I can make s list. For example, is there a specific number of pages/letters for a book to be as novel. And do graphic novels count? What about photo novels? The thinner pulp novels? Pocket novels? There was a humor magazine that for one issue had nothing but one article,  a fictional story about a couple of teens. It was later turned into a major Hollywood feature film. Although the text was never put into a paperback and only exists in that magazine issue,  there was enough text to fill a paperback.

I am asking this because I have read less than ten real novels in my entire lifetime,  ( but did read hundreds of nonfiction books ) so in order to pad out a list to 25 it would need to include a lot of alternative text. And a lot of those crappy Scholastic young adult books they made me read in grade school.
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: George-2.0 on August 27, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
The norm is 50,000 -though some go as low as 40,000- to 80,000-words, which is around 150-265 pages for it to be considered a novel. Any lower takes you into novella territory.

I'll need to know if epic poems count? like
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Personally, I think graphic novels and photonovels are in a different category, those are more comic books than long prose narratives (even  keeping in mind that some long prose narratives/novels have at times included art at each chapter, etc. I'd still kick comic book types to the curb)
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: Pak-Man on August 27, 2020, 06:13:07 PM
I'm curious whether Shakespeare's plays, which are often read like novels, would count.
Title: Re: Vote For LOC #127!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 27, 2020, 07:09:18 PM
I'm curious whether Shakespeare's plays, which are often read like novels, would count.

I don't see any that would be considered long enough, maybe all 3 parts of Henry the VI in paperback would reach 150 pages?  I've got one of those old "complete works" books and it's 1100 pages, in that omnibus the 3 parts add up to 88 pages.