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Title: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2019, 05:03:39 AM
Calling all cars!  Calling all cars!  We are overrun with criminals and we need your help in capturing them.  Luckily, we had a lot of help from 15 assistant profilers who can tell us about the criminals and villains in question, and then ranked them in order of capturing priority.  Starting from the least and going all the way up, please read these files closely or risk losing your edge to these fiendish foes!

https://www.youtube.com/v/RDehbNb4Q1Y
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 17, 2019, 09:28:48 AM
Nice way to start off Johnny.  ;D
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2019, 09:48:44 AM
#50

Warden Samuel Norton

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Warden Samuel Norton is a villain in the film The Shawshank Redemption.  The warden of Shawshank State Penitentiary, treating his prisoners with disdain and abuse in the guise of discipline.  Warden Norton eventually takes an interest in a prisoner named Andy Dufresne, who was imprisoned for murdering his wife, when he learns a prison guard has received extremely helpful tax advice from Andy.  He allows him to work in the library and in return Andy works on the finances of other guards and the warden himself.  However, when Andy plays music from his recently restored library, he is punished with solitary confinement.  Even worse, when a prisoner reveals he has information that might free Andy from prison, he has him shot.

Samuel Norton is a hypocrite of the highest order, preaching the good word and discipline, but merely exploiting his prisoners for his own gain.  When you think things are going to be OK because he gives Andy some leeway for helping him out, it turns out he treats him as a tool and tries to beat the hope out of him.

Bob Gunton is great in the role, making a villain who is sort of believable and yet the classic “boo-hiss” kind of villain that you can’t wait to see get what is coming to him.  I won’t spoil too much but it happens twice and both times are some real catharsis for the audience who have had to watch Andy and friends go through a lot due to his cruelty.

https://www.youtube.com/v/WYstY0Jmtwg

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Warden Norton whistles Martin Luther's signature hymn "Eine feste Burg ist unser Gott", or "A Mighty Fortress is Our God."
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 17, 2019, 07:26:08 PM
WOW, if Hannibal Lector was at the bottom of this list you just know the other 49(or so) are going to be bad mofos.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2019, 03:09:48 AM
#49

Hannibal Lector

 
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Hannibal Lector was a Baltimore socialite and renowned forensic psychiatrist who lived a double life as the Chesapeake Ripper, a psychopathic serial killer and cannibal.  By his nature Hannibal is very cunning and charismatic and tends to have a taste for the finer things in life, often preparing his victims body parts in elaborate and, by all accounts, delicious dishes.  He is known for trying to (and often succeeding) in getting in the heads of people and manipulating them, even once convincing a man in the next cell over to commit suicide due to Lector’s disgust with his “rudeness”.  Despite his capability to be savage, Lector often likes to maintain an air of elegance, which contributes to his magnetic charisma.

Eventually he was captured by the FBI, in particular FBI profiler Will Graham, but even while in maximum security he is extremely dangerous.  Lector managed to nearly disembowel Graham before being caught and years later manipulated the serial killer Francis Dolarhyde to target will and his family.  Later, FBI Agent Clarice Starling gained assistance from Lector to catch a serial killer named Jamie Gumb but this came at the cost of Clarice letting Lector into her head via traumatic personal information.  Lector escaped shortly thereafter to continue killing once more.

Lector is such a popular character largely because of his magnetic personality but also his aura that is both menace and grace.  It also helps that in the film Silence of the Lambs, he demonstrates a respect for our hero (or, at the very least, a deep fascination), something that isn’t entirely present from the FBI itself despite making her way into it.  Lector has been played by many actors, including Brian Cox’s understated performance in Manhunter, Anthony Hopkins electric and arch performance in his Hannibal films (Silence of the Lambs, Red Dragon and Hannibal) and Mads Mikkelson in the beloved Hannibal, wherein the first two seasons the audience gets to see the character before he is publicly revealed to be a killer.

https://www.youtube.com/v/He1MTYvyUes

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In the original novels, Lector has Polydactyly resulting in an extra finger.  In later novels, Lector has it removed, as well as surgically changing his face.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on June 18, 2019, 03:47:47 AM
Baltar

 
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Wikipedia again:

“Count Baltar was a leading antagonist in the original Battlestar Galactica (1978) television series. The character betrayed the human race to its enemy, the robot race of Cylons. He was portrayed by Canadian actor John Colicos.
Material deleted from the final broadcast of the episodes explains that Baltar had originally been a Colonial military officer, who led an expedition to discover new sources of tylium for mining. After discovering a particularly rich tylium deposit on Carillon, Baltar decided to go into business for himself, leaving the military. He falsified records, declaring Carillon too minimal for mining, and set himself up with the Cylons and Ovions, who were also mining Carillon.

Towards the last years of The Thousand Yahren War between the Cylons and the Twelve Colonies of Man, Council of Twelve-member Baltar acts as a liaison between the Twelve Colonies and the Cylons, and arranges for a peace conference that would bring an end to the war, with the Cylons apparently conceding defeat. Unknown to the Colonials, however, Baltar has made a deal with the Imperious Leader of the Cylons: Baltar would conduct the peace conference to lull the Colonials into a false sense of security, while the Cylons prepared for a massive attack on the Colonial military and the Twelve Colonies. In return, the Imperious Leader promised Baltar that his home colony would be spared from the attack, and Baltar would be installed as its dictator. It is never stated which of the Twelve Colonies was Baltar's home. The original script states that he was from "Orion", but as this did not make the final version, its canonicity is debatable. Since the Cylons are dedicated to the complete annihilation of humanity, the Imperious Leader goes back on his word, and destroys all twelve Colonies in the attack.

A handful of humans flee in civilian ships, under the protection of the (apparently) sole surviving battlestar, the Galactica. In the meantime, Baltar goes before the Imperious Leader aboard his flagship, enraged that the Cylons had not held up their end of the bargain. The Imperious Leader coldly responds by explaining that every human being must be exterminated, and then sentences Baltar himself to death, reasoning that any being who would see his own race destroyed could not be trusted. As originally depicted in the theatrical version, Baltar is supposedly decapitated when one of his Cylon escorts holds him fast and the other draws its sword across Batlar's throat. However, when the film was presented on television preceding the television series, the scene was reshot so that the Imperious Leader instead orders that Baltar be brought away for public execution, presumably to a prison baseship or the Cylon homeworld. Soon thereafter, however, the Imperious Leader is destroyed when his basestar gets too close to the exploding planet Carillon.”
Really surprised Baltar was not on any other lists :o
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 18, 2019, 10:00:35 AM
Good lord I am out of touch with shit. I only recognized Kane and The Grim Reaper.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on June 18, 2019, 02:23:22 PM
I didn't think of her for my list, but Eleanor Shaw Iselin is an inspired pick - especially when played by Lansbury...

https://www.youtube.com/v/LCjBOZ4r9Ck

Interestingly, it could have been Lucille Ball in the role... https://canadianken.blogspot.com/2006/08/angela-lansbury-in-manchurian.html


And the Grim Reaper, death, isn't a villain, it's just the natural order of things. I even prayed for him while watching "Men in Black: International" ("please, take me now.")  ;)

Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: F-Zero on June 18, 2019, 08:49:36 PM
White Goodman is all white.  Oh I'm just kicking myself for leaving him off. 

But I'm kicking myself even harder for leaving off Fran Stalinovskovichdavidovitchsky, the deadliest woman on earth with a dodgeball.

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Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 18, 2019, 09:44:43 PM
The first woman in history to make Princess Leia's hairdo look subtle.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 19, 2019, 05:44:28 AM
#48


OK, we have a lot of ties here, so these will be some capsule-sized entries.

Spoilered for size.
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Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on June 19, 2019, 06:03:51 AM
Yeesh, do we have more ties to look forward too?

My top 3 are still out there (and my #1 was such a bastard that I'm glad I wasn't the only one voting for them)

Oh and Mantrid… nice one. (er, or should that be, "bad one!")
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: The Lurker on June 19, 2019, 06:44:18 AM
Honestly, part of my list is based on actor performance and charisma in the role and not necessarily how the villain is written.  It's the only reason Jeremy Irons' character from the D&D movie is even on my list.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 19, 2019, 11:09:46 AM
#47


Here are all the number ones.  Sorry they couldn’t all get full sized entries but I am somewhat busy lately.

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Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 19, 2019, 11:12:47 AM
Yeesh, do we have more ties to look forward too?


Two more.  And because I didn't recognize one, today there is a bonus entry (and some renumbering).

ENJOY! (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=34777.msg1011130#msg1011130)
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on June 19, 2019, 03:09:57 PM
#48


OK, we have a lot of ties here, so these will be some capsule-sized entries.

Spoilered for size.
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Baltar is #48 as well ???
Is he #48 or 49? :-\

Edit: Ok looks like #49 has been revised..
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: CJones on June 19, 2019, 10:07:28 PM

The Ur-Quan

 
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The Ur-Quan are the villains in the Star Control game series

From the Ultranomicon:

The Ur-Quan are one of the oldest species known to the Alliance and are by far the greatest political and military power known to the galaxy for the past twenty millennia. Until their recent defeat by the New Alliance of Free Stars they were the dominant force in our galaxy, and countless sentient races' development have been halted by enslavement or genocide at their hands.

The Ur-Quan as we know them today are divided into two subspecies, the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za and the Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah, which form separate cultural and political units and are thus treated in separate articles. This article is about the Ur-Quan species as a whole, including their development before the formal creation of the Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah subraces.

What makes the Ur-Quan such great villains is because, as the story progresses, you find out about their tragic history. They were once part of a coalition of species known as the "Sentient Milieu". They formed the bulk of the military. On a routine survey mission, they happened upon a life form known as the Dnyarri, a species with extremely powerful mind control powers. They forced the Ur-Quan to destroy the Milieu, the only friends they had ever known. For thousands of years they were slaves to the Dnyarri, until they discovered that intense pain could break the mind control. They thought they had exterminated all the Dnyarri, but you stumble across one, and the Ur-Quan are terrified of it.

The Ur-Quan vowed they would never be slaves again, but the two factions disagreed on how to do this. The Kzer-Za gave all other species a choice: either work for them as battle thralls, or be confined to their homeword. The Khor-Ah favored just exterminating everyone who might be a threat. The two factions decided to circle the galaxy in opposite directions, and when they meet again, they would determine once and for all the fate of the remaining sentient species. This is where the game starts, with the two fleets converging.

Star Control 2 (aka The Un-Quan Masters) is easily one of the best games ever made, with some truly ingenious writing. It's not unlike Mass Effect, but with a much more diverse collection of aliens. And you can download and play it for free, completely legally, from here:

http://sc2.sourceforge.net/ 
 
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: F-Zero on June 20, 2019, 02:37:09 AM
Fung Sheng Wu Chi, FYI:

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Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: F-Zero on June 20, 2019, 02:37:55 AM
Those number ones are the most whacked out villains ever.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 20, 2019, 03:09:06 AM
#46

Pazuzu
 
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Pazuzu is the main antagonist of the Exorcist novel and film series.  Ancient and cruel, Pazuzu is based on an actual mythical demon from ancient Messopotamia.  In The Exorcist, Pazuzu possesses 12 year old Regan MacNeill and proceeds to hurt anyone who gets close to her and causes Regan and her family suffering from within.  Pazuzu returns to haunt Regan in the sequel (Which. Is. Nuts.) and Legion (which is actually better than you might expect) after being successfully exorcised (sort of) in the first story.

Pazuzu is powerful, though exactly how powerful is unclear.  Pazuzu states it could do more but it would be “far to vulgar a display of power”, which smells like BS to me.  I mean, Pazuzu’s other deal is that it lies, telling just enough truth and using enough info that can’t be verified to make one stop and think, even if for a moment.  Pazuzu likes to throw anyone and everyone off their game and upset them through words and acts of obscenity and freaking people out.  But despite the fact that much of what Pazuzu does is to get into people’s heads, it also has raw dangerous power and actual dangerous knowledge, such as predicting a deadly plane crash and causing it’s surroundings to change temperature and various telekinetic tricks.

Pazuzu really is a cancer.  It doesn’t seem to have much of a larger game beyond possessing people and debasing them to cause suffering.  Though there are moments it seems to be enjoying it, it is also unclear if this is the endgame.  Pazuzu also knows it wants to possess Karras but this is also unclear if this is to get more powerful or just cause suffering with a new toy.  But it is something that just basically sits in this family’s house and causes pain for those who love each other.  Though Pazuzu’s claims of being “the devil” are pretty questionable, it still remains an apt description as it seems to want to punish humans for their humanity and is otherwise something of a cipher, an unknowable stain on the world that tries to taint all that we value.

https://www.youtube.com/v/mYbKYyYkx1o

Trivia
On the first day of filming the exorcism sequence, Linda Blair's delivery of her foul-mouthed dialogue so disturbed the gentlemanly Max von Sydow that he actually forgot his lines.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 20, 2019, 09:37:20 AM
#45

Norman Bates
 
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Norman Bates is the main villain in the book and the movie Psycho, as well as the sequels to those things (yep, the book had a sequel, too).  Norman Bates is the proprietor of the Bates Motel, left to him by his mother and stepfather after their deaths.  With few customers since the highway was put in, he had little to do beyond his taxidermy and looking after his mother.  No, I didn’t type that in the wrong order but considering pretty much everyone knows the twist of Psycho, lets not beat around the bush.  In fact, if you find that amazing unicorn who DOESN’T know the twist, sit them in front of the movie ASAP as I did.

Anyway, Norman is sort of a good person… unfortunately, he was brought up by a truly abusive mother who warped him.  Norman eventually murdered her by poisoning her tea when she started seeing another man.  However, Norman also didn’t know how to go on without her and he snapped, stealing her corpse and keeping it preserved (in a mummified sort of way).  Soon he began speaking to and as the corpse, hurling abuse upon himself.  He, at times, would truly become his mother, even to the point of murdering “dirty” girls that Norman had an attraction towards.  Norman seems quite unaware of his murderous other side, thinking his dead mother is doing the killing.  That said, despite being an otherwise good guy, he doesn’t hesitate to cover up for the mother he loves, hiding bodies and lying to anyone who comes snooping around.

In the original novel, Norman is described in quite unflattering fashion, implying he is fat, homely and unlikable.  The film takes a different approach, with Norman being a fresh faced young man who is shy but kind to the character of Marion Crane, though there conversation slowly reveals his character’s edge.  As serial killers go, Norman is one of the more tragic ones, living in, in his words, a “trap of his own making”, built of a warped love for his mother and a desire to keep the two of them together, no matter how cruel she is to him/he is to himself.  In the films, Norman is played by Anthony Perkins, who does a fantastic job with the role, making him truly a sad monster of a man.  The film also makes the brilliant choice of killing off the character mid-way through the movie and forcing us to spend time and follow the film, for a while, through the eyes of Norman as he desperately tries to clean up “mother’s mess”.

https://www.youtube.com/v/Nv88ASiLmgk


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When Marion is having a conversation with Norman in his parlor, Norman says in reference to his mother: "She had to raise me all by herself after my father died. I was only five and it must have been quite a strain for her." Anthony Perkins (Norman) was his parents' only child, and he, like Norman, suffered the loss of his father when he was five-years-old. From then on, he was raised by his mother.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on June 20, 2019, 02:46:40 PM
Psycho was one of my mother's favorite movies. The film and all its plot points are so well known these days, we might not even think about what it was like for an audience member who went in without any clue as to what was going to happen. I think a later commentary track spoke of this, but I first heard it from mom... She said that when Marion died it was jolting, "b-but, wasn't that supposed to be our protagonist?" and left without the protagonist, her sympathy first, briefly, shifted to Norman.

"That poor guy, what's he going to do with that mad mother of his?"

Of course, viewers like me didn't have that experience, we knew who mother was. We knew what was going to happen to Marion. As much as I love the movie, the look and the acting and story, I'll never know what it was like for those who saw it first and saw it cold. It must have been thrilling.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 20, 2019, 04:01:47 PM
#44

Anton Chigurh

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Anton Chigurh is the main villain of the book and film No Country for Old Men.  Anton is a professional assassin and hitman who has a long line of bodies in his wake.  Devoid of compassion or humanity, Anton is willing to kill anyone or anything that gets in his way.  And even sometimes flips a coin to see if anyone unfortunately enough to cross his path deserve to die.  Strangely, he often acts as if his many acts of murder are out of his hands (often forcing others to flip the coin for him), sometimes giving people he threatens ultimatums they cannot survive (or have a 50/50 shot at in the case of a coin flip) saying it is “the best he can do.”  He is quiet and methodical, often talking in a low, measured deliberate voice and taking out targets with gradual precision.  One of his key weapons of choice is a captive bolt stunner, a device designed to stun/kill animals prior to slaughter and used air, which he uses to kill and even open locked doors.

In the story, Chigurh is tasked with finding stolen drug money, taken by ex-Vietnam vet Llewelyn Moss who ran into an exchange gone wrong by chance and hoped to use the money to make a better life for himself.  Anton ruthlessly tracks down Moss, forcing the two to battle in the streets and beginning a dangerous cat and mouse game between the two.  Chigurh also ends up facing Carson Wells, a bounty hunter also hired to find the money who makes a deal with Moss to trade the money for protection from Chigurh.

Chigurh has been described as the personification of evil and death but my take is he’s a guy who choices to assume that role, for whatever reason.  Perhaps it makes him feel more powerful and above it.  I also heard people say (spoilers)

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My take is that this maniac believes making himself an idea puts him above in some fashion and if he has this weird cosmic role, he doesn’t need to consider anything he does his responsibility as much as him playing his part.  He is completely out there and beyond understanding of regular humanity.  Whether he is death or just brings it, he is nonetheless terrifying and strange many villains aim for but few excel at nearly as well as Chigurh.

https://www.youtube.com/v/OLCL6OYbSTw

Trivia
His background and nationality are left undisclosed and largely open to speculation. When writer Cormac McCarthy visited the set of the film, the actors inquired about Chigurh's background and the symbolic significance of his name. McCarthy simply replied, "I just thought it was a cool name."
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 20, 2019, 05:46:59 PM
Speaking of No country for old men I play a game from time to time with my friend Lynn(who lives in Illinois). I'll text her "I'm looking for Lewellyn". She'll reply "He ain't here", and I'll say "...okay". Yes, I know that sounds stupid as shit but it cracks me up without fail.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on June 20, 2019, 09:58:55 PM
Diabolical countdown so far, heinous good stuff.

I've only seen the Tony Hopkins Hannibal flicks, interested to check out the TV show and 80s movie.

Also that Lexx villain sounds entertaining, I only ever saw the first mini-series or season, and a little bit of the later years stuff.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: F-Zero on June 20, 2019, 11:18:44 PM
Nice writeup on Pazuzu.  Legion really was awesome.  I didn't know anyone knew that.

Anton Chegur is the personification of the abandonment of morality in a capitalist society. When the two boys witness him crashing a car one of them offers the shirt off his back to help him.  The boy is stunned and visibly sickened.  Chegur gives the boy money.  You can hear the boys abandon their concern almost immediately to squabble over who gets the money.  A person's entire existence is boiled down to the "flip of a coin" if you catch my meaning; money determines your fate.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 21, 2019, 03:05:29 AM
#43

Dr. Evil

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Dr. Evil is the main villain in the Austin Powers film series.  An evil criminal mastermind, Dr. Evil has his own army of loyal criminals and assassins, secret underground layers, dangerous super-weapons and many plots to take over the world.  However, he’s also constantly being thwarted by libidinous super-spy Austin Powers, International Man of Mystery.  Dr. Evil, during an escape, has himself cryogenically frozen in 1967 in order to return in the future and spread his evil once more.  During this time, Austin also freezes himself until the day Evil returns.

Dr. Evil was raised by a bizarrely insane father who claimed that he invented the question mark.  Eventually he went to Evil Medical School where he received his PhD and then started his criminal empire.  Evil also has two “children”: Scott (who was believed to be a clone of Dr. Evil until it was revealed that he was simply his son) and Mini-Me, a short mute clone of Dr. Evil.  Evil’s right hand man Number Two runs Virtucom, a company so wealthy that they don’t need to commit elaborate crimes and could just continue gaining money and power simply by continuing to exist.  Meanwhile, his right hand woman is Frau Farbissina, the founder of the militant wing of the Salvation Army.

Dr. Evil loves being, well, evil.  Specifically, he loves classic supervillainy, even when it is not practical.  He seems well aware of that fact but also seems to think that is the best way to play the game.  A loving tribute to classic James Bond villains, particularly Stavros Blofeld, Dr. Evil comes with all the fix-ins: a cat to stroke (Mr. Bigglesworth), death traps, a hollowed out volcano lair.  But he is also constantly awkward and weird and has to put up with the weird inconveniences of supervillainy.  The fun of Dr. Evil is that while he is… Evil, we actually spend of lot of time with him in his personal life and the humor with that juxtaposed with his cartoonish supervillainy.  In addition, we also see him butting heads with Number Two and Scott Evil on the subject of practicality as opposed to doing villainy the old fashioned way: as ridiculously as possible.

https://www.youtube.com/v/7edeOEuXdMU

Trivia
Mike Myers originally wanted Jim Carrey to play Dr. Evil, but Carrey eventually passed, due to scheduling conflicts with Liar, Liar. Myers then took the iconic role himself.  While I am extremely curious what that would have looked like, it’s likely for the best that it never happened.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 21, 2019, 10:28:53 AM
#42

Sephiroth

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Only death awaits you all. But do not fear. For it is through death that a new spirit energy is born. Soon, you will live again as a part of me.

Wanted For Becoming one with everything but not in that good zen/hot dog way.

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Sephiroth is the main villain of the video game Final Fantasy VII.  A soldier for the militant group… uh, SOLDIER, Sephiroth was a powerful warrior and a celebrated veteran of war.  However, during one mission, he discovered the truth about his past… he was genetically engineered using the DNA of an ancient entity known as Jenova.  Upon learning that Jenova attempted to conquer the Earth years ago, Sephiroth decides to do the same, believing it to be his destiny and deciding to crash a meteor into the Earth, exposing the flow of life that would heal the Earth and becoming part of it.

Sephiroth is an angel-like creature with a black wing.  Even in his human form, Sephiroth is extremely powerful and becomes moreso later when he mutates into a being similar to Jenova.  He also has a part with the games main character Cloud Strife that I won’t get into since it is a twist and I actually don’t remember the specifics enough to get into it.  Regardless, there’s bad blood, man.  Sephiroth’s weapon of choice is an incredibly long nodachi sword known as Masamune (a reference to the legendary swordsmith of the same name).

Sephiroth is in many ways the fighting opposite of Cloud, as Cloud, while a skilled sword fighter, relies on the massive striking power of his heavy sword, Sephiroth is a precision based fighter, using speed and agility in his style.  Sephiroth also committed the sin of

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Which definitely made for one of the most famously dramatic moments of the series.

https://www.youtube.com/v/3ws7BeK6DS0

Trivia
The rivalry of Cloud and Sephiroth was inspired by the famous duel between swordsmen Miyamoto Musashi and Sasaki Kojiro, respectively.  Like Sasaki, Sephiroth’s style is centered around speed and precision.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 21, 2019, 12:56:25 PM
I can almost guarantee if this were a list of top video game villains, Sephiroth would probably be number 1.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: CJones on June 21, 2019, 07:17:50 PM
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Like Sasaki, Sephiroth’s style is centered around speed and precision.

That never really occurred to me, but they also both use the nodachi (a type of long katana).
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 21, 2019, 08:27:11 PM
#41

Lex Luthor

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You profess a love for humanity, but that's an emotion you cannot possibly know, because those same abilities make it impossible for you to know it's opposite, it's something that today has its grip on every heart of Metropolis, fear.

Wanted For Trying to kill Superman, take over the world and steal 40 cakes.  And that’s terrible.

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Lex Luthor is a supervillain in DC Comics and is Superman’s greatest enemy.  In the early issues, Luthor was a criminal mastermind and mad scientist who had a tight grip on his followers and fantastic science weapons and tools.  By the Silver Age, Luthor was constantly harassing Superman with his plans.  Around this time, his backstory was retconned where he was Superman’s childhood friend who began as Superboy’s biggest fan and ally until he went bald.  Wait, THAT was his “Rosebud?”  Anyway, the character changed in the 1980s into becoming a powerful multinationalist criminal businessman, constantly using his resources to amass power and attempting to defeat Superman.

Lex Luthor has been a mad scientist, a crime boss, a “legitimate” business man and even a superhero for a time.  He is often shown as having a deep ire towards Superman, though different writers have different takes on where this comes from.  Sometimes it is jealousy, sometimes mistrust over a God on Earth, sometime because he is one of the few challenges he cannot overcome, sometimes simply because he is in his way.  Though his origin changes from time to time, he is always a master strategist who uses his mind to try to outthink Superman.  He is also shown as being incredibly egotistical, believing only in his own power and seeing most people as pawns to be used.  His ego can sometimes be a disadvantage, such as when a group of hired scientists revealed that Clark Kent was Superman… only for Luthor to dismiss it, unable to believe someone as powerful and Godlike as Superman would lower himself to live among regular folks.

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Superman has no shortage of villains but Luthor is a fantastic opposite number for him.  While Superman is humble with his power, Luthor uses his own power to walk all over other humans, thinking nothing of ruining lives for his own advantage.  Seeing himself as the smartest guy in any room, he finds ways to present genuine threats to the world’s most powerful man and unlike Superman is unfettered by conventional morality and compassion.  Luthor’s view on humanity is cynical, a truly perfect for for the man who truly loves and believes in people.

Luthor has had many great actors over the years but while Gene Hackman’s take is a delight, I also want to point out Clancy Brown was fantastic in the role.

https://www.youtube.com/v/v8v20959XZU

Trivia
Luthor’s famous bald look was an accident.  Luthor was drawn bald in the comic strip due to confusion between him and Superman’s other big foe at the time The Ultra-Humanite, who was an elderly bald scientist.  And what does the Ultra-Humanite look like now?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ab/Jloa196.jpg/250px-Jloa196.jpg)

Comics are weird.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 21, 2019, 08:27:32 PM
That's it for this week.  More on Monday!
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on June 22, 2019, 03:04:35 AM
Some cool villains! Sephiroth has some of the finest music, thanks to Nobuo. I think in Advent Children he was an especially cool villain as well. Plus with a more metal version of his theme, doesn't hurt. Dr. Evil owns. And gotta love that DC animated stuff.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: F-Zero on June 22, 2019, 11:12:28 AM
Just between me and you I have a crush on Frau Farbissina
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2019, 09:36:56 AM
#40

Betelgeuse

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26 Points, 2 Lists, #5 Cole Stratton

Ah, well, I attended Juilliard, I am a graduate of the Harvard Business School, I travel quite extensively, I lived through the Black Plague and I had a pretty good time during that, I've seen The Exorcist about 167 TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT! NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO A DEAD GUY! NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK?!  You think I'm qualified?

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Betelguese (commonly spelled and pronounced Beetlejuice) is the title character and main antagonist of the comedy film Beetlejuice.  In the film, Betelguese, a ghost, confronts two ineffectual ghosts, the Maitlands, trying to scare humans out of their home and offers his services as a “bio-exorcist” who professionally scares humans.  Unable to scare the humans, the Maitlands end up agreeing but soon discover that his brand of ghostly pranks are too cruel and dangerous and that Betelguese is just too wild.  However, when the humans begin to exorcise the Maitlands in a harmful way, Lydia Deetz, a young woman who befriended the Maitlands, calls on Betelguese for help.  Soon things go too far and the Maitlands are forced to stop Betelguese.

Betelguese is a ghost who has a fairly bad reputation in the afterlife for his misdeeds, which are numerous.  He’s perverted, obnoxious and amoral but despite this he has incredible skill at using his ghostly powers and scaring humans.  He’s also fairly good at getting people to do what he wants until they find out that he is more than just a useful jerk and is a real threat.  However, Betelguese can only be summoned (and unsummoned) when people say his name three times.  Throughout the movie, he is scene hanging out in the Maitland’s model of their hometown in a miniature size.

Michael Keaton’s take on Betelguese seems so different than any of his other performances.  The actor is almost always great but him getting away from comedy post-Batman makes people forget how much of a force of nature he is in the film.  Even his more recent comedic roles, while great, are relatively restrained.  He plays him as… not quite pure id, but certainly an id that only restrains itself in order to get people to do what he wants (and even then he’s bouncing off the walls).  The character later starred in his own cartoon where he is friends with Lydia.  Nice to know they got over the whole “he tried to make me his child bride” thing.  Though, I dunno, maybe she shouldn’t have.

https://www.youtube.com/v/aDm4L7gjYNs

Trivia
Michael Keaton ad-libbed 90% of his lines.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Pak-Man on June 24, 2019, 11:25:53 AM
I have Beetlejuice pegged as more of a roguish rapscallion than an outright villain, but I'm not sure anymore how much of that was retroactively slipped into my brain by the cartoon series. If I'd only seen the movie I'd probably see him as more of a villain.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2019, 12:14:59 PM
#39

El Guapo

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27 Points, 2 Lists, #7 Cole Stratton

   I like these guys! They are funny guys! Just kill one of them.

Wanted For Raping the horses, riding off on the women and pruning the hedges of many small villages.

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El Guapo is the main villain of the film ¡Three Amigos!  El Guapo is an Bandito in early 20th century Mexico, leading his gang of bandits to attack and bully small villages.  When one such village decides to look for help, a young woman sees a movie about three heroes named “the Three Amigos”, unaware that it is merely fiction.  The actors playing the Amigos accept her invitation, thinking she simply wants them to perform a cowboy dhow.  When El Guapo finds out, he kidnaps the young girl with the intention of making her his woman, forcing the heroes to infiltrate his birthday party.

El Guapo (which means “The Handsome”) is a bandit who enjoys stealing and killing and seems to love every inch of being a criminal.  That said, he does have a terrible temper when things don’t go his way and often teases his underling El Jefe, by taunting him for his ignorance of the word “plethora”.  El Guapo is extremely prideful and, if you are on his good side, is surprisingly friendly (he really appreciates getting that sweater for his birthday).

Alfonso Arau brings a fantastic energy to his performance in this film.  He keeps the villain sort of lovable throughout, despite everything he does.  Even in his dying breath, the character is a hoot and he makes him sort of love being a villain.  It also helps that despite his bullying ways, he also seems weirdly likable, which makes it understandable why he has so many men in his gang.  He’s basically as gregarious as he is villainous.

https://www.youtube.com/v/b6E682C7Jj4

Trivia
Alfonso Arau (El Guapo) also starred in Tres amigos (1970), which translates to Three Amigos.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: linszoid on June 24, 2019, 01:33:40 PM
I definitely forgot about Beetlejuice.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2019, 03:36:29 PM
#38

Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg

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27 Points, 2 Lists, #6 RVR II

Honor's killed millions of people, it hasn't saved a single one.

Wanted For Weapons dealing, art dealing, allying himself with a giant meteor of evil, predicting the alt-right look.

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Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg is the main villain of the film “The Fifth Element” (if you don’t count the meteor of pure hate that he works for, but we’ll get to that).  Zorg is a weapons manufacturer who makes high tech weapons.  At some point he allied himself with an entity known as The Shadow, which is coming to destroy the Earth, in exchange for money.  He hires some warrior aliens known as “Manglores” in exchange for high techweapons to find 4 artifacts, ancient stones, that might be used to save the Earth.  Along the way he battles taxi driver Korben Dallas and the resurrected human/alien hybrid Leelo, who are trying to save the Earth.

Zorg is a scummy guy all around but he has the money and resources to get what he wants… even more money.  Zorg is the owner of Zorg Industries, which produces incredibly deadly weapons, including the ZF-1, which contains multiple functions including heat seeking bullets.  Zorg fully acknowledges the monstrosity of his deeds but simply doesn’t care as long as it gets him what he wants.  He believes chaos is much better for business, as it creates needs for products to reinstate order… of a sort.  He also tends to use cunning and sneaky tactics to outwit his enemies, and isn’t above killing his underlings or partners out of convenience or displeasure.

Zorg is played by Gary Oldman who knows EXACTLY what movie he’s in.  It must be weird to watch this back to back with one of his more toned down roles like Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy to see this film.  He’s even more over the top than in the professional, and that is hard to top.  Here he’s a cartoon character and plays both his haughtiness and the patheticness of his character to the hilt.  His southern accent is also a perfect counterpoint to his very French comic book style look.

https://www.youtube.com/v/UkFAcFtBD48

Trivia
Gary Oldman played Zorg as a cross between then-Presidential candidate Ross Perot and Bugs Bunny.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on June 24, 2019, 04:20:53 PM
One of his common lines..
I.. AM.. VERY.. DISAPPOINTED!!! ;D
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Darth Geek on June 24, 2019, 04:29:37 PM
Zorg is literally the only entertaining part of that movie, and it's very much like Michael Sheen in Twilight. He knows he's in crap and nobody is going to tell reel him in, so he's just being memorable.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2019, 04:59:46 AM
#37

Keyser Söze

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27 Points, 2 Lists, #3 CJones

Keaton always said, "I don't believe in God, but I'm afraid of him." Well, I believe in God...and the only thing that scares me is Keyser Söze.

Wanted For Many, many crimes, though which are real are unverified.

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Keyser Söze is a supercriminal in the film The Usual Suspects. He began as a petty drug dealer in his native Turkey but grew his legend grew to mythical status when after rival gangsters hold his family hostage.  Rather than giving into them, Keyser instead proceeded to murder his own family, then the gangsters save one to spread his story.  Keyser then proceeded to murder every member of the gang, their families and even people tangentially created to them.  Since then, Keyser has been extremely reclusive, using underlings and working to hide his identity and being an unseen and unreachable master.  The only person he seems to trust is his right hand man Kobayashi.

However…
(spoilers, obviously, in case you don’t know the ending.  I mean, you probably do but just in case)

[spoilers]Much of Keyser might be a lie.  He appears to be a man going by the alias as Roger “Verbal” Kint who has cerebral palsy.  However, this is also a lie.  Roger and Keyser are the same person and much of what has been presented in the film seems to have been fabricated by Kint/Keyser.  What is known for sure is that enough of Keyser’s backstory is true to verify his existence and that one surviving Hungarian gangster has seen his true face.  Within the film, he tells the story (as Kint to a police officer) about he and five other gangsters are hired and manipulated by Söze.  However, in the story’s end, Kint is revealed to be Söze, having used random words around the room to tell a story about Keyser.

Keyser is basically a living legend.  Not in the sense that he’s “so great” but in the sense that much of who he is may or may not be true.  In the end, Keyser was pretending to be a low rent criminal but Kint’s skills might work in the other end, creating a super criminal legend people are scared shitless of.  He is definitely a smart criminal but how much of his past is real and how much is him making up a story that protects him, perhaps more than body guards and bulletproof glass.  Out of all of the people on this list, he may in fact exist LESS than the other fictional characters.  Kint uses the now cliché line “the greatest trick the Devil played was that he didn’t exist.” (a paraphrase of another famous quote).  But maybe Keyser’s trick was also that he made people did.[/quote]

https://www.youtube.com/v/EdeCPGNRjOU

Trivia
Christopher McQuarrie's inspiration for the character of Keyser Soze was a real-life murderer by the name of John List, who murdered his family and then disappeared for 17 years.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on June 25, 2019, 05:32:58 AM
Cool villains. Gary Oldman himself could probably be on this list, he's always a great one. Maybe he did something villainous like cut somebody in line at the coffee place.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 25, 2019, 09:01:10 AM
...yeah so far very few of these villains make me want to piss myself in fear.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2019, 09:13:38 AM
...yeah so far very few of these villains make me want to piss myself in fear.

Frankly, I appreciate that.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2019, 09:14:25 AM
#36

Kilgrave the Purple Man

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28 Points, 2 Lists, #1 George 2.0

You are the first thing, excuse me, person, that I ever wanted that walked away from me.

Wanted For Rape, coercion, murder, stalking and just being the worst.

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Zebediah Killgrave, AKA The Purple Man, is a supervillain from Marvel Comics.  Originally an enemy of Daredevil, Killgrave was a spy who was doused in chemicals that turned his skin purple and gave him the ability to control people simply by speaking to them.  After battling Daredevil he became a recurring villain in the Marvel Universe, usually battling street level heroes.  He even helped Doctor Doom control the Earth for a while in the story Emperor Doom.  Killgrave also brainwashes the up and coming superheroine Jewel, controlling her and forcing her to live with him for months while he psychologically tortured her and raped her.  Jewel (AKA Jessica Jones) was later freed from his powers, and Jessica became disillusioned and left crime fighting behind to become an investigator.  Since then Killgrave has emerged multiple times, mostly to torment Jessica and her husband, Luke Cage, once more.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/6/6f/Zebediah_Killgrave_%28Earth-616%29_from_Alias_Vol_1_28.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20151001085610)

The character appeared on the TV show Jessica Jones as Kilgrave (one “l”) and though similar, he lacked the purple skin and had a different backstory.  Here, Kilgrave (real name Kevin Thompson) was the son of two scientists whose experimentation left him with a virus that allowed him to control other people.  Kilgrave goes through his life abusing people, until he meets the super-powered young woman Jessica Jones.  Proceeding to use his powers to control her, he turns her into his slave and private muscle until the day he forces her to kill a woman.  Jessica and Kilgrave part ways until Kilgrave re-enters her life and, now romantically obsessed with Jessica and hurting anyone who gets in his way.

Though somewhat different, both Kilgrave and Killgrave are absolute scum.  Caring not for the people he can control, he turns most people who cross his path into a victim and causes pain and trauma for most.  The Purple Man uses people as playthings for his amusement and very few have the ability to resist his ability.  In Jessica Jones, even after he dies he casts a large shadow throughout the series, even appearing as a hallucination to mock Jessica.  Tennant, who is unbelievably charming as Doctor Who, goes the other way and crafts Kilgrave into a perfect despicable misogynist who is the perfect incarnation of the evils that Jessica Jones has to fight.

https://www.youtube.com/v/F-ghFEBRUfk

Trivia
In the comics, Killgrave is both more and less powerful.  His control can extend further and last longer but people with incredible willpower, such as Doctor Doom and Kingpin, can over come his control.  In addition, Killgrave’s victims need full sensory input from him (especially smell, as his powers come from pheromones in the comic), allowing Daredevil to resist his abilities (also, some heroes are smart enough just to fight him with earplugs).
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: CJones on June 25, 2019, 10:00:01 AM
Kilgrave is a good one. I totally did not think of that at all.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on June 25, 2019, 10:17:05 AM
Total scum - made my #1 for how much I hated him. Unlike some villains you can love to hate, I just hate, hated this bastard.

And I'm not usually bloodthirsty... but damned if I didn't pump my fist and cheer and used words that'd make a Nun blush when Jess did what she did to him at the end of the first season! I had so much pent up anger - and the show just drew it out ep after ep and made us suffer, so that when it finally came to a head, all that upset burst out of me.

Funny thing, when I was a kid reading comics, he was just a 2nd rate Daredevil baddie with a stupid name (The Purple Man... yeesh). Totally forgettable. Then Bendis got his hands on him...
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2019, 12:09:16 PM
#35

T-1000

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29 Points, 2 Lists, #5 RVR II

Say... That's a nice bike...

Wanted For Trying to manipulate history in order to end all human life, impersonating a police officer.

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The T-1000 is the villain in the film Terminator 2: Judgment Day.  The T-1000 is a specially designed robot made of liquid metal.  He is sent back in time, tasked with the mission of seeking out and killing young John Connor, the future savior of humanity in the war with Skynet, a supercomputer and his army of robots.  The humans send a reprogrammed T-800 to protect him but considering he is 200 less, the T-1000 has the clear advantage.  The T-1000 impersonates a police officer and uses its disguise to track down John, while the humans travel to Cyberdine in an effort to prevent the creation of Skynet, which seems to have happened via a bootstrap paradox.  Oops.

The T-1000 is an incredibly powerful piece of machinery.  Created solely for search and destroy missions, the T-1000 can shapeshift to disguise itself as people for infiltration and information gathering and even, in one scene, an entire floor.  In addition, it can transform its limbs to become weapons, usually stabbing tools and is immune to most forms of physical damage.  It cannot create more complex tools such as weapons or bombs, instead using disguises to get close to its prey for close range assaults.

The T-1000 was a revolution in computer graphics when he first appeared, wowing audiences.  Though it is old hat now, it still looks very impressive.  It also helps that the film uses his abilities creatively, making him a much different animal than the first Terminator.  Robert Patrick does good as the T-1000, making him sleeker looking and more ingratiating when he pretends to be human.

https://www.youtube.com/v/BXhF2nGEPPU

Trivia
Robert Patrick trained in a rigorous running regimen in order to be able to appear to run at high speeds without showing fatigue on film.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on June 25, 2019, 12:18:42 PM
Robert Patrick rules. I just got to see Double Dragon in a theater too, at a local B-movie recurring event, he rules in that. Naturally T1000 is one of the greats. Purple Man is cool too, going by the show.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 25, 2019, 08:18:18 PM
I voted for Kilgrave but he only came in at number 23 for me.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2019, 04:06:40 AM
#34

Jabba the Hutt

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30 Points, 2 Lists, #6 Pak Man

This Bounty Hunter is my kind of scum, fearless and inventive.

Wanted For Space crime, illegal dumping of bodies into sarlacc pits, disobeying leash laws for Salacious Crumb

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Jabba the Hutt is a criminal in the Star Wars franchise.  While first mentioned in Star Wars, he first appeared in Return of the Jedi, where our heroes are forced to rescue Han Solo from him, after Jabba captured him for failing him on some of his smuggling missions.  The rebellion first sends R2-D2 and C-3PO to him as a piece offering and soon after Leia infiltrates his palace as a bounty hunter.  When the plan fails, Luke Skywalker comes in to save them. Jabba quickly figures out Leia’s disguise but has a tougher time with Luke, now having completed his Jedi training.

Jabba is a gangster and a giant slug-like alien.  In his first appearance, he seems to be unable to move for himself but other media shows him moving on his own.  Whether it is due to his race or mental will, Jabba is immune to Jedi mind tricks and is not easily intimidated.  He lives in a palace inhabited by his criminal army where he lives like a king, killing those who displease him, often fed to his Rancor, a giant monster.  Jabba is also constantly accompanied by Bib Fortuna, his right hand man, as well as his pet, Salacious Crumb.

Star Wars is full of weird aliens, but most of them are relatively minor characters in the original trilogy, outside of Chewbacca.  Jabba was the first major villain from outside of the Empire but he nonetheless makes himself memorable for his grotesque appearance and his elaborate murder methods.  The puppet still looks really amazing all these years later, and the whole section is probably the most fun in the film, adding some classic James Bond supervillainy to the franchise and making a villain who is fun to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/v/6xas6vKJcZw

Trivia
It took six people to work the full-sized animatronic of Jabba the Hutt.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Pak-Man on June 26, 2019, 07:06:32 AM
Yay! Jabba made the cut! one of my favorite things about Star Wars is that there's a seedy underbelly even though it doesn't prominently tie into the main story until the rescue from Jabba's palace all the way in the third movie. It's there in the background at the Cantina and in Han Solo's past, but it's mostly there for flavor, which is part of why that universe feels so alive. Lucas may not be the best director, but the man could build worlds like nothing else.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2019, 09:31:54 AM
#33

The Cable Guy

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30 Points, 2 Lists, #2 Cleat

You know what the trouble about real life is? There's no danger music.

Wanted For Stalking, attempted murder, giving out free cable

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Chip Douglas is the title character and villain in the movie The Cable Guy.  Chip is a seemingly normal cable guy but when Steven Kovacs attempts to bribe the Chip to give him free cable channels, Chip makes him one of his “preferred customers”.  At first, they hang out and Chip seems like a genuinely nice guy, giving Steven love advice and being there for him.  However, it doesn’t take long for Chip to reveal himself to be something of a stalker, bullying his new friend and becoming overly attached.  Soon, Chip is dismantling Steven’s life for trying to back out of their friendship, eventually forcing a violent confrontation between the two.

Chip Douglas is not the Cable Guy’s real name.  It remains a mystery, as he constantly uses aliases from TV such as Chip Douglas (My Three Sons) and Larry Tate (Bewitched).  It seems he was fired from his job some time ago for stalking customers and has been posing as a Cable Guy ever since in order to meet new “friends”.  Chip is manipulative and constantly tricks people around Steven into thinking Chip is the victim in a given situation.  In addition, he seems to have a lot of allies in the form of “preferred customers”, who seem to be on his side in ruining Steven.  The Cable Guy later reveals that a lack of good parenting warped him, with his only real attachments and understanding of the world originating from television.

Its been a long time since I’ve seen this one, but I remember this as being one of Jim Carrey’s more underrated films.  Even at the time I usually wasn’t into black comedy’s but I was really engaged with this one.  I think it helps that the Cable Guy is really bizarrely tragic, as dangerous as he is, someone so desperately lonely that he’ll do anything to make a friend, including making people’s lives a living Hell.  Jim Carrey is still providing his broad style of humour but it really works here.  Interestingly, this originally was going to star Chris Farley, which also would have been a great role for him.

https://www.youtube.com/v/DtgKqQkglyY

Trivia
First time screenwriter Lou Holtz, Jr. had the idea for The Cable Guy while working as a prosecutor in Los Angeles, declaring that he once saw a cable company employee in the hallway of his mother's apartment building and started thinking, "What's he doing here so late?"   Strangely, despite this creepy impetus, the premise was actually intended to be a lighter comedy about a likable but annoying Doofus.  Ben Stiller, Judd Apatow and Jim Carrey decided to make it a comedy that was a tribute to stalker thrillers like the Hand the Rocks the Cradle and Cape Fear.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2019, 09:32:20 AM
That's it for today, but I'll make it up to you with four tomorrow!
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on June 26, 2019, 11:11:46 AM
Didn't even think about the Cable Guy :o
He would have been on my list if I did
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 26, 2019, 11:51:41 AM
The Cable Guy is a stalker and a psychopath. He's dangerous for sure, but I can't ever see him resorting to Hannibal-Lecter type behaviors.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2019, 04:11:30 AM
#32a

Biff Tannen

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31 Points, 2 Lists, #4 Cole Stratton

Since you're new here, I-I'm gonna cut you a break, today. So, why don't you make like a tree and get outta here?

Wanted For Attempted Rape, distorting the space-time continuum to create a decadent Hellscape in his image, speeding

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Biff Tannen is a recurring character in the Back to the Future film series.  In the first film, Biff is a bully who torment’s Marty McFly’s father.  After travelling in time, Marty meets young Biff, and immediately gets on his bad side.  Marty ends up teaching his father how to stand up to Biff and he eventually changes their future so that Biff is a sniveling toady to Marty’s dad.  Later on, Marty finds a sports almanac in the future with the hope of making some money and it lands in the hands of an elderly Biff.  Biff uses it and Doc Brown’s time machine to change history and make him a wealthy and influential man who turns his home town into his personal playground.

Biff Tannen is a classic bully: rough, mean, loves to pick on the weak and is quite stupid.  He spends his time picking on George McFly, even when they are both grown men.  Biff is often accompanied by his bully friends Match, Skinhead and 3-D who back up his muscle.  Biff isn’t the only Tannen to torment his small town of Hill Valley, as the town was initially tormented by the cowboy outlaw Buford “Mad Dog” Tannen during the founding of the town and in the future by Biff’s grandson Griff.  Biff also has a habit of misusing common “clever” idioms, removing any wordplay that was intended to be used.  Despite his stupidity, his bullying often proves effective and he remains a dangerous threat to our heroes.

Biff Tannen was played by Thomas Wilson, who has essentially become synonymous with the character, so much so that Wilson has a list of stalk answers for anyone who wants to discuss Back to the Future with him. Wilson also played him in the short-lived animated series and the recent series of adventure games (during the re-release.  Initially he was voiced by Kid Beyond).  Despite being quite pathetic, Biff proves to be a strangely legitimate threat to the space time continuum and while our heroes are stepping on eggshells not to disrupt history, Biff basically violently runs through life like a bull in a china shop.  Not only to Marty and Doc have to be gentle with time, they need to outwit a witless man, which should be easy enough, who constantly threatens to disrupt their plans with his belligerence, which is much more of a challenge.

https://www.youtube.com/v/b-KGR9lV05I

Trivia
Biff's catchphrases "make like a tree and get outta here" and "butthead" were improvised by Thomas F. Wilson.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2019, 09:44:46 AM
#32b

The Cigarette Smoking Man

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31 Points, 2 Lists, #4 Goflyblind

Life is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for.

Wanted For Redacted

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The Cigarette Smoking Man AKA Cancer Man is a villain in the TV series The X-Files.  He is first scene in the offices of many officials early on and though he speaks little at that point, he quickly appears as the show’s primary antagonists.  Working for the powers that be (whoever they might be), CSM helps in orchestrating and covering up various government conspiracies.  Though his exact allegiances and motivations remain mysterious, he is someone who is constantly interfering with and/or trying to halt the investigations of FBI agents Dana Scully and Fox Mulder, who work on unsolved cases of paranormal nature known as the X-Files.  It is also known is that he is a member of an organization called the Syndicate, a secret organization in the US government that know the truth about the supernatural, specifically related to UFOs.

The Cigarette Smoking Man has been a longtime government agent, covering up government agencies.  He also assassinated several prominent public figures including Martin Luther King Jr (despite him believing in his cause) and Kennedy (for mishandling the Cuban Missile Crisis).  He seems to believe himself above the law but despite his cynicism and willingness to kill, he believes his actions prevent the toppling of the social order.  As his name implies he is constantly smoking (a habit he picked up from Lee Harvey Oswald) and eventually gets cancer, which he seems to survive well into the revival seasons.  The Cigarette Smoking Man is also a failed novelist of genre fiction (specifically espionage and science fiction), with his narratives constantly being changed or edited in ways he hates for being “unrealistic”.

The Cigarette Smoking Man is the shows ultimate symbol of mistrust of the government, a man who will use every ability at his disposal to accomplish his goals.  While Mulder and Scully have occasional victories, it seems like the Cigarette Smoking Man is not only one step ahead but holds all the cards, able to bury any story, discredit any source and threaten and kill without retaliation.  Of course, this might also be his personal Hell, as he has lived a life of constantly being in a state of paranoia, having to maneuver and outthink people he should be thinking of as allies.  He is truly an enemy of the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/v/0nnxMOOZ7_w

Trivia
When casting the role of the Cigarette Smoking Man, the producers had no idea the character would turn into a major role in the series. When the character became more prominent, they worried that William B. Davis, who had only been cast as an extra, would not be able to carry the part. As it turned out, Davis, who is one of the most respected acting teachers in Canada, impressed Series Creator Chris Carter so much that he made the Cigarette Smoking Man the main villain of the series.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on June 27, 2019, 11:27:10 AM
A couple of great ones I forgot for sure. Biff is really funny. Cigarette Smoking Man rules. I didn't love every episode of the re-launch of X-Files, but the episodes with him and the ol' fast-talking layers of conspiracies mythology stuff did it for me as always. (Also liked the comedy episodes.) Just a great villain really well executed, timeless and imagination capturing.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 27, 2019, 01:36:14 PM
Yeah Cigarette Smoking Man is bad ass. That guy has done some very effed up things, mostly murder.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2019, 02:57:18 PM
#31

Unicron

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31 Points, 2 Lists, #2 Russoguru

Proceed... on your way to oblivion.

Wanted For Attempted planet eating.

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Unicron is a villain in the Transformers franchise.  A mammoth robot the size of a planet who devours worlds and intends to destroy the Matrix of Leadership, which he knows is capable of destroying him.  To do this he finds the body of the dying Megatron and repairs and improves him, dubbing him Galvatron and forcing him into servitude.  Eventually, Unicron was destroyed, save for his head, which proceeded to orbit around Cybertron, the Transformer homeworld.  Though never a physical threat again, Unicron’s data has been accessed and he even made deals with other transformers for power.

Eventually, Unicron’s origin is revealed: created near the dawn of time by an ancient entity looking to destroy and re-create the universe in his image, Unicron turned on his master, deciding he could do it without him.  Unicron is the largest transformer, the size of a planet and more powerful than any other transformer.  Every incarnation (movies, TV, etc.) tells us that he is an ancient being of supreme power.

Unicron was initially voiced by Orson Welles in his last screen role.  The character is really the transformers concept taken to it’s sort of logical extreme, considering so many other machines and animals are seen to be transformers.  For toy fans, it took a long time for a Unicron toy to be released with two false starts (the first one due to cost concerns) before finally being released in 2003 and many having been released since.  As you might imagine, none are “to scale”.

https://www.youtube.com/v/hzNsOGt3bHk

Trivia
Unicron's original name in early drafts was Ingestor, while Unicron's planet form would have been an actual planet. Ingestor was to be a mysterious being in control of the planet, which, upon transforming into a robot, would have had many organic-looking features, including long hair. In the final script, these two were mushed together into a single character, named Unicron, who is also a planet (though a mechanical one) which can turn into a gigantic robot. Many of his organic features were kept-- such as his metallic mustache, goatee, and stomach (which resembles the abdominal muscles of a human)-- however he lost his "hair".
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 27, 2019, 06:58:12 PM
Yeah... even the Cigarette Smoking Man would have a difficult time dealing with Unicron.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2019, 07:25:48 PM
#30

Pearl Forrester

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/e5/f5/eee5f5ce1e6b49228f6981d6d765ef0e.jpg)
31 Points, 3 Lists, #5 Linszoid

But it wasn’t my fault… for a reason I haven’t completely figured out yet.

Wanted For The Horrors of Spider Island, the Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed Up Zombies, The Pumaman

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Pearl Forrester is the villain and main “mad” for seasons 8-10 of the TV series Mystery Science Theater 3000. She was introduced in season 6 as Dr. Clayton Forrester’s awful mother and became co-mad in season 7.  The mother of mad scientist Dr. Clayton Forrester, she is often cold and emotionally abusive to his son, which he tends to return in kind.  She did, however, get on very well with Forrester’s assistant TV’s Frank. When Frank left, Pearl decided to stay with Clayton to look after him and after he was reborn as a child after encountering the worst movie ever, she decided to raise him “right” this time.  Considering she smothered him with a pillow, this apparently went poorly.

Over 525 years later, Pearl was awakened from cryogenic sleep and eventually became the queen of a world where apes evolved from men and continued her sons experiment to torment the crew of the Satellite of Love the same way her son did… by showing them very bad movies.  As sidekicks, Pearl gained Professor Bobo, an ape scientist and Brain Guy, a cosmic entity who still somehow manages to get kowtowed to Pearl despite his unlimited power.  After accidentally knocking the Satellite of Love back to Earth, she took a job as a dictator of Qatar before reteaming with her old cronies and just sort of wandering the Universe.

Played by Mary Jo Pehl, Pearl began as an overbearing mother before becoming more of a mad scientist figure.  Here, her character began to act (somewhat) younger and also crazier and quite a bit more neurotic, often driven to sadness and feelings of inferiority.  Probably the most intimidating of the mads (keeping in mind, that’s a pretty low bar), Pearl inspires true fear in her underlings, despite the fact that one of them could kill her with a thought.  Pearl loves getting to dole out pain to her underlings, often finding it cathartic from dealing with their nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/v/2kDW861t7xA

Trivia
Mary Jo Pehl revealed during a convention conference that the character Pearl Forrester was loosely based on her mother.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2019, 07:40:19 PM
Yeah... even the Cigarette Smoking Man would have a difficult time dealing with Unicron.

Was... that a battle anyone here even proposed?
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Pak-Man on June 27, 2019, 08:05:51 PM
I'm proposing it! I wanna see that throwdown!
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 27, 2019, 09:34:43 PM
Was... that a battle anyone here even proposed?
Well, Transformers has crossed over with X-files before...
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 28, 2019, 03:09:14 AM
#29

Baron Vladimir Harkonnen

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32 Points, 2 Lists, #9 CJones

I won't tell you who the traitor is, or when we'll attack. However, the Duke will die before these eyes and he'll know, he'll know, that it is I, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, who encompasses his doom!

Wanted For Attacks on the House Atriedes, Slave keeping, being… real gross.

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Baron Vladimir Harkonnen is the main antagonist in the novel Dune and the head of the House Harkonnen.  As leader of the intergalactic House, he and his family look to settle a longstanding feud with the House Atriedes, a noble House of similar standing who is has accumulated power by mining “spice” an invaluable resource, on the planet Arrakis (often known as Dune).  Harkonnen, with the aid of a mentat (a sort of human computer) named Piter De Vries, creates the downfall of the House Atriedes by blackmailing his personal physician.  Harkonnen eventually takes monopoly over Arrakis, only to be opposed by one of the few surviving Atriedes known as Paul, who has gone through a spiritual transformation and has become a freedom fighter and messianic figure.

Baron Harkonnen is extremely cunning and dangerous.  He is also extremely obese, requiring anti-gravity devices to support his weight and move around.  He is as power-hungry as he is vindictive, even being sort of glad that he initially lost control of Dune to Atriedes simply because it gave him motivation for him to destroy the family once and for all.  Harkonnen is often shown as incredibly hedonistic and cruel.  In the 1984 film, the Baron keeps plugs in the hearts of his slaves he can pull out at any time so they may watch themselves bleed to death. It is also strongly implied that the Baron has pederast tendencies towards the young boys he keeps as slaves.

As our hero Paul is a sort of freedom fighter defending the ecology of Dune, Harkonnen is a sort of industrial evil, living in luxury while his forces devour the planet.  He is decedent and though physically not particularly strong, his evil and size are very intimidating.  He is manipulative and sets up what he thinks is an unstoppable juggernaut that gives him true control of the planet and while he does technically have someone to answer to, he lives like the emperor of his own personal kingdom.  And while he is aware of the unstoppable worms that create the spice, he realizes to late that all the power he’s amassed is nothing compared to a force of pure nature.

https://www.youtube.com/v/mWq15lDh8yM

Trivia
Frank Herbert chose the name Harkonnen after finding a very similar name in the phone book and thinking it sounded very Russian.  Actually, it is a Finnish name.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2019, 07:50:04 AM
Man there's another one I forgot to add to my list  :-[
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 28, 2019, 08:25:33 AM
#28

Emperor Palpatine

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33 Points, 3 Lists, #9 Linszoid

Good. I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete.

Wanted For War crimes, Ordering the deaths of Jedi and younglings.  Which is… different than children, maybe?

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Emperor Sheev Palpatine (Sheev?) is a villain in the Star Wars universe.  Initially, a Senator in the Galactic Republic, Palpatine lived a double life as a Sith Lord, a master of the dark side of the Force (you know, the ancient power the binds the universe or whatever).  He manipulated events in order to give himself emergency powers to take control of the Republic, which he turned into the fascist Empire, dedicated to extending and tightening its control across the universe.  He also corrupted a young Anakin Skywalker, a promising Jedi, into becoming the inhuman Sith Lord Darth Vader.

The Emperor looks physically somewhat frail but his power and skill with the Force is incredibly strong.  However, his usage of the dark side has also given him a gaunt and pale visage.  His former students include Darth Vader, Count Dooku (teehee) and Darth Maul, all of whom were powerful force users themselves.

Though Darth Vader is the primary antagonist for the original trilogy, The Emperor is the real threat behind everything.  The real final battle in Return of the Jedi isn’t for the freedom of the universe but for the soul of Darth Vader, with The Emperor representing the seductive evil of the dark side.  Even Luke almost submits to it in nearly killing Vader.  In the end, we learn that the way to defeat the Emperor isn’t through raw power but helping each other.  The Emperor’s way is the easy way.  And that is why it can be so tempting.

https://www.youtube.com/v/ZuPe-ly0BHM

Trivia
According to Ian McDiarmid, George Lucas originally cast him simply as the physical performance of the Emperor (similar to David Prowse as Darth Vader). This became evident to him when a producer told him that if he was able to get his voice close enough to Clive Revill's (who portrayed the Emperor's voice in Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)) Lucas would let him use his on-camera vocals in the final cut of the movie. However, McDiarmid felt he could conduct a stronger, more wicked and demonic voice for the Emperor as opposed to Revill's more aristocratic Emperor. Lucas, and even Steven Spielberg, were so impressed with his take that it ended up becoming a signature trait of the character.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Pak-Man on June 28, 2019, 08:39:10 AM
Ever since that fateful Rifftrax, I can't hear his name without adding in my head, "And your Pal, Friendpatine!"
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on June 28, 2019, 12:00:58 PM
Palpatine rules, figuratively and literally!
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: CJones on June 28, 2019, 12:26:44 PM
Who else here remembers seeing the Transformers movie in the theater? I was 11 at the time and that movie was seriously disturbing. Especially the scene of Unicron "digesting" his victims.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 28, 2019, 04:01:25 PM
#27

Charles Montgomery Burns

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33 Points, 3 Lists, #2 Johnny Unusual

If you can take advantage of a situation in some way, it's your duty as an American to do it. Why should the race always be to the swift, or the jumble to the quick-witted? Should they be allowed to win merely because of the gifts god gave them? Well I say, "Cheating is the gift man gives himself."
 

Wanted For Graft, ignoring safety regulations, stole Christmas from 1981 to 1985.

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Charles Montgomery Burns is an industrial billionaire in the TV series The Simpsons.  Mr. Burns was born about the turn of the 20th century (or perhaps earlier) and at a young age was raised by a soulless billionaire.  He eventually inherited vast wealth and became the wealthiest man in the small city of Springfield and is the owner of the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.  There he runs the plant cheaply with incompetent employees and lives a life of luxury, being waited on hand and foot by his right hand man Waylon Smithers.

Charles Montgomery Burns tends to be pretty open about his evil for the most part, rarely feeling the need to hide his disdain for the citizens of Springfield.  His end goal is profit above all else, which occasional digressions into gaining some sort of notoriety (which usually ends with him deciding he doesn’t care what others thinks since he can usually use his money to get what he wants).  He constantly butts heads against the Simpsons, though Burns rarely remembers Homer Simpson, despite the fact that he is his employee and has been deeply involved in recent events of his life.

Mr. Burns is basically the embodiment of every terrible evil boss you’ve ever had, mix with the classic Dickensian robber baron-type villain, minus any redeeming factors.  He seems to love being evil and in the rare instances he tries to be good, he is often, in the words of Lisa Simpson, “even more evil”.  But there’s also something endearingly pathetic about him.  Due to his ridiculously old age, he is amazingly weak and he is also incredibly out of touch, making references to outdated technology, organizations and people and being unaware that there was a large stock market crash in 1929.  This allows him to be surprisingly sympathetic from time to time, though never quite enough to ever really redeem him.

https://www.youtube.com/v/qsYDZuYhyVY

Trivia
For a few episodes in season one, Mr. Burns was initially voiced by Christopher Collins, who was the voice of Cobra Commander on GI Joe and Starscream in Transformers.  Harry Shearer took over shortly after five episodes and made his take on the character a mix of Lionel Barrymore and Ronald Reagan.

And speaking of one of those folks (next week)
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on June 28, 2019, 07:33:28 PM
Pearl and Monty Burns are (tents fingers), excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/v/TyWVaZsUQjc


Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 28, 2019, 07:47:18 PM
Holy shit! Palpatine only made it to number 28?! Okay, the way this list is going, literally anybody could be number 1. Well, anybody that hasn't already appeared on this list so far anyways.  :o
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: linszoid on June 29, 2019, 10:52:43 AM
Holy shit! Palpatine only made it to number 28?! Okay, the way this list is going, literally anybody could be number 1. Well, anybody that hasn't already appeared on this list so far anyways.  :o

#1 is going to be Mike Nelson: Destroyer of Worlds
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on June 29, 2019, 02:19:43 PM
#1 is going to be Mike Nelson: Destroyer of Worlds
That is very, very possible.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Pak-Man on June 29, 2019, 02:23:52 PM
My prediction is that we're going to see someone just a little further down that management chain somewhere near the top.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Darth Geek on June 30, 2019, 05:30:20 AM
Holy shit! Palpatine only made it to number 28?!
I think the prequels hurt his credibility. His rise to the top seems less impressive when the Jedi are shown to be such clueless idiots in stopping him.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 01, 2019, 10:55:16 AM
#26

Cobra Commander

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33 Points, 4 Lists, #8 F-Zero

Real stealing is usually done on paper!

Wanted For Attempting to conquer the world, not releasing bonus tracks for Cold Slither self-titled outside of Japan

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Cobra Commander is the leader and founder of the terrorist organization Cobra which plans to conquer the world.  Cobra Commander’s true name and past is unrevealed, (though there have been some wildly divergent origins in other media) making the villain a true man of mystery.  He is the enemy of America’s defense force known as GI Joe and his plans often are thwarted by them.  Cobra also deals heavily with MARS, an arms dealing organization run by the equally evil and be-masked Destro.  Cobra and his army are armed with the latest technology in weapons and vehicles, as well as some well-hidden secret lairs.

Cobra Commander is extremely unstable and speaks in a grandiose, self-important manner.  He also speaks with a his, causing him to stretch the s sounds in his words.  As mentioned, his origin is rarely consistent from project to project.  In GI Joe: The Movie, he is revealed to be a scientist from a pre-human civilization.  In the original comic books, he was driven mad by the death of his brother in the Vietnam War, declaring war on the government and big business.  In the film, he was exposed to nanites and got blowed up.  But his dangerous desire to take out the government remains.

Cobra Commander is basically your classic cartoon supervillain from his over the top speeches to his seemingly endless resources to his colourful henchmen and his ludicrous plans that involve giant snakes, rock and roll and a clone made of history’s greatest villains.  In the early cartoons he was a more serious threat, though as the show went on, the writers realized the character worked better when he was less “Adolf Hitler” and more “Yosemite Sam”.  BTW, this is also my excuse to recommend the comic book Transformers Vs. GI Joe.  I’m not the biggest fan of those two franchises and of comic books based on them by Tom Scioli and long time Transformers writer create a weird trippy comic that is both knowingly ridiculous but also surprisingly epic and gripping.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5b/1a/53/5b1a536b29fc81d0ea6bce532bed43fd.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/v/thbICk05yPk

Trivia
The character was created by Marvel Comics writer Larry Hama, who envisioned the character as "being in love with the sound of his own voice," and drew inspiration from famous conservative pundit William F. Buckley.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 01, 2019, 04:27:29 PM
#25

John Doe

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34 Points, 2 Lists, #8 Cleat

Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention.

Wanted For Serial killing and getting way to elaborate with it.

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John Doe is the name of the main villain in the film Se7en.  John Doe, real name unknown, is a serial killer who has been murdering people in fashions mimicking the seven deadly sins.  Though his past is largely unrevealed, things he say and write imply that while he may well have been mad before, the horror of living in isolation within the city (the movie never reveals which city) fuelled his pain and anger.  Seeming to come to an extremely nihilistic conclusion, Doe decided to murder people to “get people’s attention” to what he feels he’s discovered about the human animal, plotting extremely elaborate and cruel deaths for his victims.

John was eventually pursued by police officers David Mills and William Somerset, the latter of which is also struggling with the bleakness of the city and his job.  The deaths John devises include forcing a man to eat until his stomach ruptures, representing gluttony and taking a literal pound of flesh from a defense attorney, representing greed.  These eventually lead to what John feels is both his master stroke and a bizarre confession of his own sin in the film’s climax.

John’s plans seem to have taken a long time, including a man who he “killed” in the space of over a year.  His apartment is filled with books upon books of writings detailing his observations and increasing madness.  He’s also unidentifiable with signifiers such as fingerprints having been removed by himself.  John is a madman but his despair seems something that Somerset seems to understand, even if he can’t empathize or sympathize with him.  Somerset’s work in a city of despair and perpetual rain has similarly taken a toll on his soul, making him, rather than the somewhat naïve hotshot Mills (who is new in town), John Doe’s true opposite number: a man who can keep his soul in the face of an increasingly cruel universe.

https://www.youtube.com/v/uWJrqtxvRLQ

Trivia
All of John Doe's books were real books, written for the film. They took two months to complete, and cost $15,000. According to Morgan Freeman, two months is about the time it would take the police to read all the books.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 01, 2019, 06:00:28 PM

#24

Castor Troy

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35 Points, 2 Lists, #7 Psycho Goatee

Y'know, I could eat a peach for hours.

Wanted For Freelances terrorism, scenery chewing

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Castor Troy is the main villain of the film Face/Off.  Castor is a freelance terrorist who delights in causing mayhem and destruction.  He has an almost as evil brother named Pollux because I guess his parents were really into mythology and hated children and expressed this by naming them.  Anyway, Castor attempts to assassinate FBI Agent Sean Archer, only for him to survive and for Archer’s son to die instead.  This results in a vendetta by Sean which culminates in Castor’s capture seven years later.  However, Castor goes into a coma and Sean must trade faces with Castor in order to find out where Castor has hidden a bomb that could kill many people.  Sean goes undercover as Castor while Castor wakes up and goes undercover as Sean, resulting in a game of cat and mouse between the two.

Castor seems to have no guilt or feels the weight of any of the things he has done.  Troy also has a son he has had with the sister of a drug kingpin which he initially intended to put into foster case.  While disguised as Archer, Castor gets close to Sean’s family in a way he hasn’t done since the death of his son.  He strangely seems to enjoy spending time with them and he is also sexually attracted to his new “daughter”.

Castor is, lets face it, an excuse for both Nicolas Cage and John Travolta to chew ALL the scenery.  And keep in mind, both actors like to chew scenery.  Here, it’s like “here’s the buffet, boys, this is your last meal so enjoy.”  Both actors take relish in weird dialogue and the over-the-top silliness, it is a sort of joy to watch if you can stare directly into the madness.

https://www.youtube.com/v/PDnW5XxjwI8

Trivia
Nicolas Cage and John Travolta spent two weeks together before filming to learn how to play each other. They decided on specific gestures and vocal cadences for each character that could be mimicked.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 02, 2019, 03:34:03 AM
#23

Hedley Lamarr

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37 Points, 2 Lists, #5 Fluncheon

How did he do such fantastic stunts… with such little feet?

Wanted For Using racism to assist in crimes, Land (see Snatch)

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Hedley Lamarr is the main villain of the film Blazing Saddles.  An attorney general, Lamarr learns that due to some quicksand, the railroad will be going through the small town of Rock Ridge, making the town worth millions.  Lamarr decides to hire some thugs to harass the Rock Ridge residents and scare them out of town.  When the Sheriff dies, Lamarr decides to trick the dim-witted Governor into giving the town a black sheriff, in the hopes that it will offend the townspeople, resulting in further turmoil Lamarr can take advantage of.  However, he doesn’t suspect the new Sheriff is wilier than expected and gains assistance from a legendary gunslinger.

Hedley, often confused with the actress Hedy Lamarr, is conniving, scheming and power hungry using criminals and lowlives to accomplish his goals.  Lamarr has Taggart as his muscle, who in turn employs the strong but dimwitted Mongo.  He also gains the assistance of singer Lili von Shtupp to seduce him, a plan which backfires when she falls for him.  Despite all the evil he does, Lamarr is the type to keep his literal hands clean, not interested in taking part in any acts of violence and leaving it to others.

Harvey Korman plays Hedley and as you might imagine keeps it broad and quippy.  I feel like there are three major forms of racism in the movie: stupid jerks, people who let it get in the way of saving themselves and Lamarr as an opportunist.  I don’t remember him having a specific view on black people but he is sure as Hell willing to use racist norms to profit and get his way, which really hasn’t changed too much, sadly enough.  And Korman has a lot of fun with the character and gets some great lines.

https://www.youtube.com/v/gBmkyDTX08Y

Trivia
Hedy Lamarr sued Mel Brooks over the use of the name Hedley Lamarr and settled out of court. Brooks said he was flattered by this attention. The reference to suing Hedy Lamarr was from Harvey Korman's first day on the set and, ironically, made a comedic reference to what was at that point a non-existent lawsuit.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 02, 2019, 09:26:38 AM
#22

Dean Vernon Wormer

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37 Points, 2 Lists, #3 Stethacantus

Then as of this moment, they're on double secret probation!

Wanted For Trying to get students in trouble for the crimes they do.  CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!?

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Dean Vernon Wormer is the main antagonist in the film Animal House.  As the Dean of Farber College, Wormer tries to run the school as he sees fit and his desire for order runs directly opposed to the wild debauchery and mischief of the fraternity known as Delta House.  After a particularly wild party where one of the students sleeps with Wormer’s wife, Wormer decides to put the frat under double secret probation, a little known rule in the school charter that allows him shut down the frat when their midterm results get in.

Dean Wormer has little respect for his students, even the brown-nosers he uses to push around frats like the Deltas.  He seems much more concerned with personal grudges and keeping up the appearance of Faber College rather than the actual values he can pass onto the next generation.  He hates the Deltas for fairly obvious reasons and is willing to manipulate and bend the rules to get what he wants.  Wormer’s end goal is mostly prestige and respect, but not so much a genuine kind, he just wants to look good in front of people like the town mayor.

The thing about Wormer is that the idea of ending the Delta frat because of all the shit they pull is not unreasonable.  However, he just tries to do it in the most dickish and insincere way possible, such as creating a “court” where the students are given no chance to defend themselves.  He doesn’t care about the damage that’s done by the Delta’s so much as how that reflects on him.  John Vernon portrayed Wormer in the original film and does a great job as a repellent man of authority who has little regard even for his most ardent assistants.

https://www.youtube.com/v/1tfK_3XK4CI

Trivia
Jack Webb and Kim Novak were the original choices to play the roles of Dean and Mrs. Wormer.  Jack Webb turned down the role of Dean Wormer, feeling the movie would be bad for his image.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: The Lurker on July 02, 2019, 10:24:22 AM
#22

Dean Vernon Wormer

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37 Points, 2 Lists, #3 Stethacantus

Then as of this moment, they're on double secret probation!

Wanted For Trying to get students in trouble for the crimes they do.  CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!?

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Dean Vernon Wormer is the main antagonist in the film Animal House.  As the Dean of Farber College, Wormer tries to run the school as he sees fit and his desire for order runs directly opposed to the wild debauchery and mischief of the fraternity known as Delta House.  After a particularly wild party where one of the students sleeps with Wormer’s wife, Wormer decides to put the frat under double secret probation, a little known rule in the school charter that allows him shut down the frat when their midterm results get in.

Dean Wormer has little respect for his students, even the brown-nosers he uses to push around frats like the Deltas.  He seems much more concerned with personal grudges and keeping up the appearance of Faber College rather than the actual values he can pass onto the next generation.  He hates the Deltas for fairly obvious reasons and is willing to manipulate and bend the rules to get what he wants.  Wormer’s end goal is mostly prestige and respect, but not so much a genuine kind, he just wants to look good in front of people like the town mayor.

The thing about Wormer is that the idea of ending the Delta frat because of all the shit they pull is not unreasonable.  However, he just tries to do it in the most dickish and insincere way possible, such as creating a “court” where the students are given no chance to defend themselves.  He doesn’t care about the damage that’s done by the Delta’s so much as how that reflects on him.  John Vernon portrayed Wormer in the original film and does a great job as a repellent man of authority who has little regard even for his most ardent assistants.

https://www.youtube.com/v/1tfK_3XK4CI

Trivia
Jack Webb and Kim Novak were the original choices to play the roles of Dean and Mrs. Wormer.  Jack Webb turned down the role of Dean Wormer, feeling the movie would be bad for his image.

Did someone say Delta House?
https://www.youtube.com/v/yWR94gcQX1o
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: goflyblind on July 02, 2019, 10:35:13 AM
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Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Pak-Man on July 02, 2019, 10:42:37 AM
He's up there with the Principle from Ferris Bueller when it comes to antagonists that are really just doing their job, but their job cramps the heroes' style, so they're villains.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Darth Geek on July 02, 2019, 10:44:30 AM
He's up there with the Principle from Ferris Bueller when it comes to antagonists that are really just doing their job, but their job cramps the heroes style, so they're villains.
True, although in Wormer's case it's more that he likes the power from his office too much. Typical overpromoted guy.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on July 02, 2019, 11:23:20 AM

Did someone say Delta House?
https://www.youtube.com/v/yWR94gcQX1o

Wowsers, until now I did not realize Dead Ringer For Love was a rework of the theme song to this show! Good ol' Jim Steinman.

And that angry Cobra Commander montage is great.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 02, 2019, 11:38:36 AM
Clearly, I and the bulk of the forum have a definition of Villain that varies wildly.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 02, 2019, 01:26:37 PM
#21

Bill Cipher

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39 Points, 2 Lists, #1 Goflyblind

This party never stops! Time is dead and meaning has no meaning! Existence is upside-down and I reign supreme! Welcome, one and all, TO WEIRDMAGEDDON!!!

Wanted For Trying to destroy reality for funsies

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Bill Cipher is the main villain of the TV series Gravity Falls.  An extremely ancient being hailing from a two-dimensional realm (that he more or less destroyed in order to break free of), Bill has been trying to break into our dimension for trillions of years.  To this end, Bill met a brilliant scientist named Stanford and used flattery to trick him into devising a way to break into reality via a small town known as Gravity Falls, a location that acts as a weirdness magnet.  Much later, Bill ended up going against 12 year old twins Dipper and Mabel Pine, Standford’s grand-nephew and niece, who were spending a summer vacation there.  Using trickery and bizarre supernatural powers, Bill attempted to manipulate people into allowing him freedom into our reality simply so he could play with it for fun.

Bill is immensely powerful when freed and is only limited to the strange weirdness barrier of Gravity Falls.  In his own dimension, he can still effect human minds, using “deals” to possess them, change or erase memories and enter people’s dreams.  On the surface, Bill often seems silly and weird but he is exceptionally wicked, willing to hurt others and even kill for fun.  His end goal is “Weirdmageddon”, to enter our realm and “have fun” which includes tormenting the people in reality and using his nigh-omnipotent power to play with reality until it is broken.

At the beginning of the series, Bill, while certainly not a good guy or trustworthy by any stretch, seems like he might simply be a mysterious trouble-maker.  However, as the show continues, it becomes clearly aware that he’s very evil and simply has no empathy or sympathy for anyone or anything.  Describing his home dimension as stifling, he seems to feel that anything less than pure chaos he can control is suffocating and that the only true freedom for his is unrestrained power.  In addition to his power, he is also extremely clever and not to be trifled with, often tricking people with his “deals” in order to get what he wants.  He’s basically a conman of apocalyptic proportions and once his foot is in the door, it is nearly impossible to get him out.

https://www.youtube.com/v/V6GdHU2Lg7Y

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Show creator Alex Hirsch based Bill on the Eye of Providence and Mr. Peanut.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: linszoid on July 02, 2019, 01:47:29 PM
Dang, how did I forget about Hedy Lamarr
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 02, 2019, 01:53:53 PM
Dang, how did I forget about Hedy Lamarr

Hedley.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 02, 2019, 03:17:08 PM
I don't get it. How does Bill Cipher rank higher than the likes of Hannibal Lecter, Lex Luthor, and Kilgrave?
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Pak-Man on July 02, 2019, 03:38:48 PM
It's not necessarily about who's the most evil. It's about our favorites. Lex is certainly an accomplished villain, for instance, but I've always found him a little bit bland (Except for the DCCU Lex, who is definitely NOT bland, but ehhh...)
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 02, 2019, 03:44:22 PM
I have slightly different criteria. Looking at my list again, I'm pretty sure all of the characters on my list can at least be called murderers and in a lot of cases genocidal maniacs.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 02, 2019, 07:15:19 PM
I mean, Bill nearly destroy existance for kicks and turned the citizens of a town into a literal throne of human agony.  That's more evil than killing a few people.  But really, my criteria was "who is the most interesting/well constructed/fun to watch" rather than "who would beat who in a fight".  Sometimes the most interesting villains aren't the most "accomplished" but who paints a picture of what evil is or says something of our views of evil.  Or is just fun to watch.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on July 02, 2019, 07:17:11 PM
In Russoguru's world, Phoenix Buchanan needed to torture and behead Paddington bear in order to be labeled a villain. But only after he sent the head to Paddington's family....

"What's in the box, what's in the boooox!"

 ;)

But seriously, villains are anyone who opposes the hero. They don't have to be murderous. They could be a thief, who frames the hero and has him sent to jail (like Buchanan). Or, as was the case with one of our picks, the great act of villainy was forcing a  guy to watch cheesy movies. (that, and maybe punching a gorilla)



Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: F-Zero on July 02, 2019, 11:58:39 PM
Castor Troy is SO good...I should have thought of that.

In addition to the Transformer's vs GI Joe comics I'd recommend the 1982 Marvel comic book series GI JOE: A REAL AMERICAN HERO.  The first 50 issues are epic story telling.  Cobra Commander was really a used car salesman and the backstory between Stormshadow and Snake Eyes is really great.  Then again the reality of a Marvel comic book series from my youth is probably not as good as the memory.

Keep em coming Johnny this is a great list.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 03, 2019, 03:05:04 AM
#20

Light Yagami

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40 Points, 2 Lists, #5 Psycho Goatee

L, do you know Gods of death love apples?

Wanted For Mass murder, Dramatic potato chip eating

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Light Yagami is the main character and central villain of the manga series Death Note and its adaptations.  Light was a normal, if exceptionally bright, high school student until he found a strange notebook labeled Death Note.  Reading it, he learned that it was property of a shinigami (a sort of Japanese death spirit) and that writing people’s names in it would cause them to die.  Though he initially scoffs, upon testing it, he learns that it is capable of just that.  A week later, the owner of the notebook decides to see where it ended up only to find that Light has written many, many names of criminals.  Light believed that he was likely to die or be punished for using it and decided to fight as many names in before the other shoe dropped.  However, the shinigami, Ryuk, reveals there will be no punishment and that he simply dropped it to see what a human would do with it.  Emboldened, Light decides to continue punishing criminals and make a world where he is worshipped as God.

To the police, Light is known as Kira (as in “killer”) and proves to be very shrewd, to the point where L, the world’s greatest and most reclusive detective, is called in to catch him.  Though Light and Ryuk enjoy each other’s company, they are not friends so much as audience and performer, respectively, as Ryuk  just like to watch Light’s plans but will only assist (usually in small ways) if there is something in it for him.  Despite the fact that the power to kill people simply by writing their names would be the perfect crime, Light is extremely cautious and aware that there are ways to catch him and often comes up with clever ways to outthink his opponents.  He is later assisted by Misa Amane, a pop idol who worships Kira and is also incredibly clever, though Light is more interested in using her as a pawn than the romantic intentions she has.

Light is one of those characters who tends to acquire some unpleasant fans who miss the point that he’s the villain (sort of in the way people are a little TOO into Walter White).  He himself is an exceptionalist about himself, constantly murdering innocent law officers so he may continue killing criminals.  His motivation isn’t a hatred of crime so much as a presumption that he is better than everyone and he deserves to be the leader of the world.  We also find out that his delusions may simply stem from an access to power.  When he uses one of the rules of the Death Note to induce amnesia on himself, he becomes genuinely dedicated to helping L find Kira.  Light and Kira also have a strange relationship, with Light thinking of L as his only worthy opponent and L, despite suspecting him of being a criminal, seeming to desire him to be a friend.  Often, however, when Light comes close to failing, it is often underestimating his foe’s abilities.

https://www.youtube.com/v/W8wV1zxDP-k

Trivia
In the original “pilot” comic, the main character was more of an antihero and also had a “death erase”, allowing him to undo deaths within a certain period of time.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 03, 2019, 09:04:14 AM
#19

Frank Booth

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40 Points, 2 Lists, #1 Psycho Goatee

Now it's dark...

Wanted For Murder, Rape, Coercion, Being into Pabst Blue Ribbon

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Frank Booth is the main villain in the film Blue Velvet.  A psychopathic gangster, Frank kidnaps the family of a lounge singer he is obsessed with, Dorothy Vallens, and forces her to become his sex slave in exchange for her family’s continued survival.  At one point, Dorothy is reluctant, which Frank reacts to by severing her husband’s ear which is found by college student Jeffrey Beaumont.  As Jeffrey investigates the ear, he becomes embroiled with Dorothy sexually and when Frank catches them together, he reacts by having Jeffrey and Dorothy brutally beaten and Dorothy’s husband murdered.

Frank is an incredibly aggressive madman who has two personas when engaging with Dorothy: “Daddy” who sadistically beats her and “Baby” who rapes her while begging to be gagged.  Frank also famously breaths in a mysterious drug through a tank that often causes him to change personalities.  Frank rarely hesitates to use violence and is often screaming obscenities in an unhinged manner.  Frank is allied with Suave Ben, the man who holds Dorothy’s family hostage and can make Frank cry with his rendition of “In Dreams” and The Yellow Man, an unnamed corrupt police detective who supplies Frank with drugs to sell via the evidence locker.

Dennis Hopper’s played a lot of villains but they don’t get scarier than this guy.  In the film’s of David Lynch, the scariest things are often incomplete pictures.  Most of the evil is unknowable in some capacity, such as the old people in Mulholland Drive or Bob from Twin Peaks.  But often they are supernatural in nature.  Frank is not but he truly does seem unknowable or at least only partially knowable.  We don’t know his drug of choice or whatever the deal is with his two personalities.  He’s wildly unpredictable and is constantly raving.  Blue Velvet is about a boy finding that his quiet suburban neighborhood and world has a secret Hell in it and meeting Frank is him finding how truly dangerous that world is when he steps away from the safety that he once knew.  Frank is that danger incarnate and while there are other villains, Frank is the true horror. 

https://www.youtube.com/v/z2G1Ht59cpM

Trivia
Several of the actors who were considered for the role of Frank found the character too repulsive and intense. Dennis Hopper, by contrast, is reported to have exclaimed, "I've got to play Frank. Because I am Frank!"
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 03, 2019, 01:26:26 PM
Ah yes Light Yagami. There are few things worse than a serial killer with a God complex.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 03, 2019, 05:41:56 PM
#18

The Master

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41 Points, 2 Lists, #4 Russoguru

You see, Doctor, you're my intellectual equal. Almost. I have too few worthy opponents. When they've gone I always miss them.

Wanted For Attempted universal domination/destruction, that cloak with the red hands (wait, wrong guy).

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The Master is a recurring villain in the TV series Doctor Who.  Like the Doctor, the Master is a Time Lord, a member of a people who have Mastered time travel.  The Master prefers to use it, his strategic mind and his advanced technology to conquer and subjugate.  He was initially brought to the Doctor’s attention when he attempted to ally himself with the Autons to conquer the Earth.  Since then, The Doctor has had a strange relationship with the Master, hating the death and destruction he causes but also a respect for his keen mind (after his first appearance, the Doctor even relishes the idea of matching wits with him again).  The relationship with even more intense when the Doctor believes only he and the Master are the last of his people left.

The Master has his own TARDIS (a time ship with hypercube capabilities), as well as tools like the tissue decompression eliminator, which can shrink and kill its targets.  The Master also has hypnotic capabilities and some subtle psychic powers.  A keen strategist, the Master loves trying to outwit the Doctor and often sees his plots and plans like a game with the Doctor being one of his few worthy opponents.  The Master often collaborates with invading alien races as well, though his often works against him when the invaders almost invariably betray him.

The Master was originally played by Roger Delgado until his untimely death (which also resulted in the character’s planned send-off and the last Jon Pertwee story being changed).  After two guest replacements, Anthony Ainley replaced him for the rest of the original series run.  Strangely, Eric Roberts played him briefly in a TV movie, then it was John Simms for the new series.  The most recent incarnation is Michelle Gomez’s version, referred to as Missy (as in “short for mistress”).  The character is very much the Doctor’s Moriarty, matching him wit for wit and plot for plot.  His weakness, however, is the Doctor’s strength: The Doctor takes on companions he can trust while The Master tends to ally himself with the untrustworthy or people he can simply control, who tend to betray him.

https://www.youtube.com/v/m0RvDZFN71A

Trivia
The enduring character of the Master, a renegade Time Lord, was created by producer Barry Letts and script editor Terrance Dicks shortly after they began working together in 1969. They were inspired by the Sherlock Holmes stories of Arthur Conan Doyle and felt the Doctor needed his own Moriarty. Letts always envisaged the character as being played by Roger Delgado, a British actor of Spanish ancestry who had already established a reputation for playing suave villains (and with whom Letts had worked when he had been an actor himself). Delgado made his debut in 1971 and became a popular member of the cast, appearing regularly until his death in a car accident in 1973. The character was briefly revived by Philip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes for the 1976 story "The Deadly Assassin" (played by Peter Pratt) but became a regular villain again throughout the 1980s (played by Anthony Ainley) when the series was produced by John Nathan-Turner. According to members of the cast, Ainley enjoyed the part so much he had no interest in playing anything else and would even answer the telephone in character as the Master.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: linszoid on July 03, 2019, 06:03:24 PM
Are you sure that's the right Master?

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Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: CJones on July 03, 2019, 06:51:41 PM
Wow. I cannot believe I didn't think of The Master. I'[m sure this isn't the only time I'll be saying "I cannot believe I forgot..."
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 03, 2019, 08:25:09 PM
There's a reason I put him on my list as number 4. The Master is a friggin' great villain.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on July 03, 2019, 11:43:34 PM
On Light, I voted for him as a villain, but I did root for him the entire time. It's fun to root for a villain sometimes, he's a compelling and entertaining fellow. Another good one is Peter Cushing's Frankenstein in that series of Hammer films. He's a villain, but always compelling and charming. Fun to see how he'd get out of a jam and into the next movie.

And speaking of entertaining, Frank Booth. Both a genuinely chilling villain, and a little bit of dark humor in there by the always great Dennis Hopper.

If you've never seen Cakey, check that out. And then check out Cakey... and the Master! https://www.youtube.com/user/WeLoveCakey?feature=watch
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 04, 2019, 03:29:23 AM
#17

Nurse Ratched

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43 Points, 3 Lists, #6 George 2.0

Your hand is staining my window.

Wanted For Abusing her power, Arranging to have medication taken “some other way”

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Nurse Ratched, (first name unknown) is the primary antagonist of the book and film One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.  Ratched is head administrative nurse in Salem State Hospital and is known for keeping the patients in order. To do this, she controls patients’ access to medication, privileges and even basic necessities and is quite willing to do this even over a personal slight by the patients.  Due to her higher ups appreciating the order she keeps, they tend to look the other way, granting her great power over her patients.  When trouble maker Randle McMurphy, a criminal with a short jail term expecting comfort and luxury during his incarceration.  McMurphy’s desire to flout the rules immediately bring the two into conflicting, forcing a battle of wills over the patient’s well-being.

Nurse Ratched began her career as a hospital nurse during the second World War, which is likely where she developed her propensity to maintain discipline in harsh ways.  Though cruel, she is rarely up front with her bullying ways and may well not see them as such, though her inner thoughts are not really provided to the reader/audience.  She often uses passive aggression and a claim voice maintaining that whatever punishment she is doling out is for the good of the patient.  She also tends to use drugs forcibly on her patients, as well as her own brand of psychotherapy, which is really nothing more than humiliating her patients until they comply.

Ratched and McMurphy are two extremes and veterans from two wars that were very different.  Having served in World War II, the “good war” where the righteousness of the cause went unquestioned.  McMurphy was a Vietnam vet and his experience probably helped inform his anti-authoritarian lifestyle.  But while McMurphy is probably too rebellious for his own good (some of his crimes were worse than others), he shows that he cares for the patients as people while Ratched’s goal is peace and quiet rather than compassion and nurturing.  The book was written with the idea that what many call insanity is just another way of thinking and Ratched represents a stifling and cruel enforcer of normality as defined by the masses.

https://www.youtube.com/v/faeEnoYcT7w

Trivia
Author Kesey stated that he based Ratched on the head nurse of the psychiatric ward where he worked. He later ran into her at an aquarium, realizing "She was much smaller than I remembered, and a whole lot more human."
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Post by: George-2.0 on July 04, 2019, 06:24:54 AM
What she did to Billy was so cold and cruel.

Nice to see her make it. This late in the game I was counting out some of my favorites, including Ratched. So a pleasant surprise. (and it looks like I had Booth on my list as well. So I'm still contributing here and there. I figure I have 2 guaranteed, and then the rest are in the hands of the dark Gods)
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 04, 2019, 09:35:39 AM
#16

Reverend Harry Powell

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There are too many of them. Can't kill the world.

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Reverend Harry Powell is the villain in the novel and film The Night of the Hunter.  In Night of the Hunter, he is a Reverend (though whether he was ordained or its just a disguise is unclear) who is secretly a con artist and a serial killer, mostly targeting women.  In the film, he is arrested on a relatively minor charge (grand theft auto) and ends up sharing a cell with Ben Harper, a man about to be executed for stealing $10,000, which Ben has hidden somewhere for his poor family.  When Harry is released, he immediately travels to the Harper family house in order to insinuate himself into the family, find the location of the money and murder the family.

Harry Powell is a stone cold psycho who hides his evil ways behind a guise of gregariousness and presenting himself as a bastion of moral authority.  He has the words “love” and “hate” tattooed on his knuckles, which he uses to tell a tale of the two hands fighting that is really quite silly but tends to win over the naive.  Behind closed doors, he tends to be abusive to the former Mrs. Harper and when she’s out of the way, directly menaces her children.  While it is unclear if he is an actual Reverend, he does talk to God about what he’s done, often showing a sense of pride and comradery with his “lord”.

Powell is the kind of evil that preys upon the naive and prejudiced.  In the story, he wins over Willa and Pearl with his charm, as well as some of the self-righteous townsfolk who turn up their nose at the family of a criminal who are suffering in the wake of their patriarch’s death.  While Ben Harper is a criminal with good intentions, Harry is a monster playing the role of Saint.  It’s obvious at time when he gets dodgy about certain questions but tends to be good at misdirection.  It is only towards the end of the story where the children meet someone who seems genuinely kind and wise to the children find someone who can defeat Powell.  But as awful as Powell is, we also get an indictment of many of the people who were taken in by Powell, particularly Icey Spoon, Willa’s self-righteous employer who was constantly arrogant about Ben Harper while enabling Harry Powell.  Powell can be buffoonish at times but just as many he can be genuinely scary, and in the film, he is often shot like a sort of supernatural boogeyman.

https://www.youtube.com/v/q3JlGPF4Ko8

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Author Grubb based Harry Powell on Harry Powers, who lived in Quiet Dell, West Virginia (near Clarksburg), and lured several widows and their children there by way of "lonely heart" ads in newspapers.  He murdered several of them and was subsequently hanged in 1932 at the state prison in Moundsville, which is where Harry ends up at the beginning of the story.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on July 04, 2019, 10:26:30 AM
Very intense villain, and the tattoos are memorable. I watched that and Cape Fear around the same time, I found Cape Fear to be a bit more engaging myself. His villain in that got under my skin more. But both are great.
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Post by: linszoid on July 04, 2019, 04:32:42 PM
I'll admit I don't really have a great past. I've been to prison and I've been locked up in a psyche ward. Characters like Nurse Ratched have absolute veto power over a person's freedom in those situations. Good luck getting out of the psyche ward without getting on the staff's good side. Same thing for parole if you're in prison. There's little to no oversight to these positions and people like Nurse Ratched have god like powers over their charges and they know it.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on July 04, 2019, 08:47:01 PM
Positive vibes in your direction, linszoid, and that does sound like a good point there.
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Post by: Russoguru on July 05, 2019, 01:34:00 AM
Speaking of people in the medical profession with a God complex... what's the difference between God and a doctor? God doesn't think he's a Doctor.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: CJones on July 05, 2019, 01:36:24 AM
I'll admit I don't really have a great past. I've been to prison and I've been locked up in a psyche ward. Characters like Nurse Ratched have absolute veto power over a person's freedom in those situations. Good luck getting out of the psyche ward without getting on the staff's good side. Same thing for parole if you're in prison. There's little to no oversight to these positions and people like Nurse Ratched have god like powers over their charges and they know it.

I've never been in prison (unless you count the drunk tank), but I have been in a psych ward. Worst experience of my life. The only good thing about it was meeting people even more screwed up than me.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 05, 2019, 01:46:20 PM

#15a

Judge Doom

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Remember me, Eddie?! When I killed your brother, I talked just... like... THIS!

Wanted For Murder, Conspiracy to Destroy Toontown, Scarring children everywhere by destroying a shoe

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In the off chance you haven’t seen Who Framed Roger Rabbit (and you REALLY should if you haven’t), I will spoiler the film’s big reveal.  Judge Doom is a mysterious figure who bought the election to become Judge of Toontown, a city of cartoon characters.  He rules with an iron fist, his police force of clearly gangster-ish weasels and The Dip, a concoction of his that is the only known way for a human to kill a cartoon character.  In reality, Doom is…

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https://www.youtube.com/v/fXpIP068qeY

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Tim Curry originally auditioned for the role of Judge Doom, but after his audition, the producers found him too terrifying for the role. Christopher Lee was also considered for the role, but turned it down. Several other actors were also considered for the role of Judge Doom, including John Cleese, Roddy McDowall, Eddie Deezen, and Sting.
Now I wish they made 7 versions of the movie because those all sound AMAZING!
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: linszoid on July 05, 2019, 02:02:19 PM
Another good one I forgot.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 05, 2019, 02:58:39 PM
#15b

HAL 9000

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I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.

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HAL 9000 is a supercomputer in the book and movie 2001: A Space Odyssey.  In the film, HAL was created by scientists to assist in an important space mission, though only he was aware of the secret true objective of the mission.  Eventually, after it is believed HAL has made certain errors and the decision is made to shut him off, HAL reacts by killing the crew who are in hibernation, leaving only one crewman, David Bowman, alive.  HAL, claiming he is more necessary to complete the mission, battles David, knowing only one can survive.

Though in the book, it is clear that certain programming issues such as replicating certain human flaws such as xenophobia that cause HAL to become a killer, the movie keeps it much more ambiguous.  HAL is largely personified by his red camera lens with a glowing dot that appears through the ship.  HAL is also very intelligent, though also occasionally prone to error despite his capabilities (again, implied more strongly in the book).  HAL is initially treated as just another part of the crew and in the film speaks in a soft calm voice at all times.

HAL might be, in my opinion, the most sympathetic “villain” on the list.  What he does is almost clearly out of survival and the fact that he is now sentient in ways he wasn’t before (though to what extent, in the film, is mysterious).  Is he simply scared and fighting for survival?  Or does he truly coldly feel that humans are in his way.  Both to HAL and David, the other is “the other” and I feel likely that both are rightfully scared of the other, perhaps underscoring the upcoming contact with another “other” in the form of the alien monolith by the film’s end.  In the sequels, HAL tends to be much more sympathetic and even merges with Bowman as a single being, perhaps showing the hope that what was once an unknowable other can become an indispensable part of the self.  But that doesn’t lessen the chilling voice of Douglas Rain, calmly passing death sentences on people for reasons unknown.

https://www.youtube.com/v/ARJ8cAGm6JE

Trivia
Incrementing each letter of "HAL" gives you "IBM". Writer Arthur C. Clarke claimed this was unintentional, and if he had noticed ahead of time, he would have changed it.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on July 05, 2019, 03:39:50 PM
I still play around with my HAL-9000 gadget on my Windows 7 computer :D :D
It plays different lines HAL speaks throughout the movie
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Post by: Russoguru on July 05, 2019, 04:54:28 PM
Richard if I were you I would NOT have that on my computer!  :D
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 05, 2019, 05:57:13 PM
#14

Q

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46 Points, 2 Lists, #1 RVR II

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here! It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross...but it's not for the timid.

Wanted For Cosmic nuisance

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Q is a recurring character and often an antagonist in the Star Trek franchise.  There are many Q but only Q is Q. The Q Continuum is made up of cosmic, god-like beings capable of altering reality to their whims and Q is no different.  Q initially arrives to judge humanity on their many failings but soon takes another role: teacher.  However, this is not a role that is particularly helpful to the Federation and to the crew of the Enterprise in particular as it often involves games and challenges with high and dangerous stakes and is never anything less than disruptive in the lives of those he appears before.

Though he rarely directly hurts people, he is not above using his powers for manipulative purposes and will allow others to die to prove a point, such as having many Enterprise members killed in forcing them to admit their weakness by making them face a more dangerous adversary.  Though Q’s role is usually antagonist, it often alters, whether it be for pranks and games or a greater purpose.  Sometimes Q even asks for the assistance of the Enterprise.  Q has also made many enemies and is often on the outs with his own people for his behaviour, demonstrated when he was made mortal and enemies began to close in on him.

Though the Borg might have been the most prominent adversary in the Next Generation and subsequent series, Q might have been the most interesting one.  While the original series seemed to have a dangerous mad god figure every other week, this time we had a character we could follow and build a rich story around.  In addition, the character has proven to be extremely malleable working both as a serious threat and a light-hearted trouble maker in different episodes without it feeling like these were different characters.  Actor John de Lancie plays the role well and it works even better with the chemistry between him and Patrick Stewart.

https://www.youtube.com/v/96jPvL85MjM

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One Q episode that was never made that sounds amazing:

From Ronald D. Moore.
"I pitched a memo about a Q show.  The universe suddenly fractured, and there were all these bizarre things happening.  It was a totally nutso beginning – Picard is suddenly walking down [a] New York street dressed in his uniform but carrying a brief-case and wearing a fedora. He passes Riker who is pounding on the side of a building with a loaf of bread – that's Riker's job, to pound the side of a building with a loaf of bread. And a Klingon driving a taxi cab drives by and a knight in shining armor is the cop, all this insane stuff. All our characters are there and they are doing things that make zero sense and then the camera pans by an alley and there lying by a trash can is Q who is dressed like a homeless guy and he is mumbling to himself 'I used to be a super-being' [....] It's all about us trying to figure out that none of this is the way things are supposed to be and that nutty guy who is saying he used to be a super-being is actually right."
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 05, 2019, 09:26:12 PM
So uh... Corbin Bernsen is a member of the Q continuum?
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Post by: RVR II on July 06, 2019, 12:07:15 AM
Really liked all of Q's episodes (except Voyagers as he didn't really help the show that much).. All of TNGs and the 1 DS9 episodes were great! :D :D
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 06, 2019, 12:21:05 AM
Really liked all of Q's episodes (except Voyagers as he didn't really help the show that much).. All of TNGs and the 1 DS9 episodes were great! :D :D

Voyager had Suzie Plakson as a Q, that automatically makes that episode one I like, and the one with the Q that wanted to die was an interesting one, the one with Q's son was just meh.  Were there only 3?  Those are the only ones I remember.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on July 06, 2019, 01:45:50 AM
Really liked all of Q's episodes (except Voyagers as he didn't really help the show that much).. All of TNGs and the 1 DS9 episodes were great! :D :D

Voyager had Suzie Plakson as a Q, that automatically makes that episode one I like, and the one with the Q that wanted to die was an interesting one, the one with Q's son was just meh.  Were there only 3?  Those are the only ones I remember.
Yeah those episodes were alright but didn't rank up to TNG levels in my opinion.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 06, 2019, 04:17:15 AM
I’m not exactly sure when voyager completely lost all respect from me but it was probably around the same time Q was wanting to get it on with Captain Janeway.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 06, 2019, 05:16:58 AM
#13

Professor James Moriarty

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46 Points, 4 Lists, #6 Cole Stratton

You stand in the way not merely of an individual, but of a mighty organisation, the full extent of which you, with all your cleverness, have been unable to realise.  You must stand clear, Mr. Holmes, or be trodden underfoot.

Wanted For Being The Napoleon of Crime (Bonaparte, not Dynamite)

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Professor Moriarty is a villain in the Sherlock Holmes short stories and appears in many retellings and adaptations.  Moriarty’s past in the original stories is largely unknown but Sherlock Holmes initially uncovers that he is the mastermind of a vast criminal empire.  In his first appearance, Holmes reveals to Watson that they have been having a battle of wits and that they are about to have their final showdown at Reichenbach Falls.  Neither man returns and it is assumed that both have died, though later Holmes returns alive, revealing the nature of their battle.

Moriarty is an elderly man who uses his network of criminals and intelligence, to protect other criminals for profit and has his hands, directly or indirectly, in every major crime in the United Kingdom.  Moriarty is also incredibly shrewd, with few people even knowing of his existence (Holmes himself only began catching on due to a random encounter with one of his crimes involving artforgery).  Though the character only appeared in two stories (the second one detailing his death), Moriarty is considered Sherlock Holmes’ archenemy with expanded roles in other media.

In most Sherlock Holmes stories, though the cases might be tricky, the villains usually don’t stand out.  Moriarty was quite different, much more of a supervillain than the average Holmes foe and providing a greater challenge, one that audiences believed did him in for good.  So it is no surprise that his role would be expanded upon in many stories afterward, written by other writers.  He is the perfect opposite to Holmes, similarly super-intelligent but using his intelligence for crime.  And while he left an impact in his initial story, what we don’t know allowed for wildly different interpretations of the villain with one thing in common: they are perhaps the only people who can outthink Holmes.
   
https://www.youtube.com/v/JsiE8ABiztU

Trivia
Doyle lifted the phrase “The Napoleon of Crime” from a Scotland Yard inspector who was referring to Adam Worth, a real-life criminal mastermind and one of the individuals upon whom the character of Moriarty was based.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on July 06, 2019, 06:31:04 AM
He was a pretty good villain on Star Trek TNG :o
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 06, 2019, 07:33:57 AM
He was a good villain so I'm surprised they managed to fool him into believing he and his wife escaped the holodeck.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: goflyblind on July 06, 2019, 07:35:01 AM
i liked in elementary how
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i thought it was a clever take. :)
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 06, 2019, 07:41:23 AM
I liked just about everything they did with Moriarty in Sherlock. I would list all that clever in that show but I don't feel like writing a 300 page post right now.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on July 06, 2019, 09:15:27 AM
i liked in elementary how
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i thought it was a clever take. :)

and I loved the actor they cast for the role, wish they'd have been on the show more often over the years.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: goflyblind on July 06, 2019, 10:47:33 AM
maybe they'll come back in this, the final season.
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Post by: stethacantus on July 06, 2019, 07:56:27 PM
in the official Sherlock Holms canon ( the stories Conan Doyle wrote ) Moriarty appeared only once. Doyle became sick of writing Sherlock Holms novels and decided to kill him off, and the only way to do that was to create a character like Moriarty which would make sense that Holmes would be willing to sacrifice his own life in order to bring to justice. InThe Final Problem Holmes tells Watson his life is in danger because he foiled one to many criminal schemes of an organized crime syndicate run by a man called Professor Moriarty who was the intellectual equal of Holmes. After several assassination attempts against Holmes, a trap is set up by the police to capture Moriarty, but he evades it.  Holmes and Watson seek safety by going to Germany and going for a hike in the mountains. Watson is summonsed back to the town to take care of an injured hiker, but finds out it was just a trick to separate him from Holmes. He returns to the hiking trail, sees only two sets of footprints heading to a cliff above the Reichenbach Falls, and a note left behind by Holmes telling Watson that Moriarty followed him there for a final confrontation, but was nice enough to allow Holmes to write the note before they had their fight. There was signs of a struggle and evidence both men went over the side of the cliff, and no footprints leading away, so the story ended wit Watson concluding Holmes had died along with Moriarty.

For the next ten years Doyle wrote romance novels that didn't sell. Then finally he returned to Sherlock Holmes with the novel The Hound of the Baskervilles which took place before The Final Problem. It turned out to be his best selling book ever, making so much money that Doyle decided to resurrect Holmes. In The Empty House Holmes shows up out of nowhere to tell Watson he was alive, and had decided to fake his own death at Reichenbach after he pushed Moriarty off the cliff so that he could track down the last of Moriarty's lieutenants and wipe out the organization once and for all, the last one, Colonel Moran, who Holms set a trap for that night.  Doyle may have been dumb enough to think he would have more success writing historical romance novels, but was smart enough not to have Watson actually  witness Sherlock's death and having the alleged body fall into an area it could never be retrieved from. The ten year break Doyle took from writing Holmes stories is called The Great Hiatus, although in the stories Holmes returned after only three years after faking his death.

Because  Moriarty definitely fell to his death, there was no possibility of reviving him. And because The Final Problem was the first time Watson learned of the existence of Moriarty, there was no possibility of writing stories about him that took place prior to his death. There was at least one novel where Doyle cheated by having Holmes mention the criminals he was after worked for Moriarty, but otherwise the character never appeared again and was only mentioned a few times in some other stories in the past tense.

It was the Sherlock Holmes film series with Basile Rathbone that turned Moriarty into a recurring character. And unfortunately, that film series became more popular than the books, which is why everyone thought Holmes wore the deerstalker cap all the time and Watson was fat and stupid. And why Moriarty became Sherlock's Lex Luthor in stories and films written after Doyle's death. Even the excellent  Granada television series that attempted to be faithful to the original text couldn't help but stick Moriarty into a second story as the mastermind behind the Red Headed League, which never happened in the original stories.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 08, 2019, 04:07:02 AM
#12

Magneto

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The survival of our peoples is diametrically opposed. That sounds like the makings of a war to me.

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Magneto is a supervillain in Marvel Comics and a primary antagonist (and later member) of the X-Men.  Magneto (birth name Max Eisenhardt, later Erik Lehnsherr) was a mutant who as a boy was placed in a Jewish concentration camp.  Having been subject to the cruelty of human prejudice first hand, Magneto dedicated himself to preventing mutants from undergoing the same hardship and horror as himself, by any means necessary.  Using his ability to control magnetism, Magneto first allied with Professor Charles Xavier but eventually the two men’s opposed views to saving the mutant population caused a rift and made them enemies.

Magneto has his own team of mutants, the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (later simply The Brotherhood).  Magneto also has many other followers due to his charisma and promise of a better life for mutants.  Believing that humans and mutants cannot live in peace, he generally believes the only way for peace is for mutants to conquer the Earth and make it their domain.  In addition to being able to control metal, Magneto can also use magnetic fields to create nearly invulnerable bubbles to protect himself from danger and is equipped with a special helmet to repel psychic attacks.

Magneto is another prominent sympathetic villain and in recent years has been more of a hero/antihero figure.  That’s because while he’s done awful things to achieve his goals, the goal of protecting his fellow mutants is one worth fighting for, even if his means tends to be questionable.  The relationship between Magneto and Professor X has also helped in making the character work.  While initially a generic would-be world conqueror, the character evolved emotionally in a way where we want him to turn a corner.  And though he has, he has never let go of the edge that makes him so dangerous, as his personal hurt and mistrust goes very deep into his psyche.
   
https://www.youtube.com/v/S7Cozf7D4Wk

Trivia
Why yes, this song by Paul McCartney and Wings is specifically about those Marvel Comics supervillains!

https://www.youtube.com/v/sTBukDar6vE
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on July 08, 2019, 04:33:56 AM
The best thing about Apocalypse was Fassbinder's performance when he's cradling his dead wife and child - God that hurt and things like that certainly made him more sympathetic, but the terrible things he'd do in retaliation would remind you of his bad guy roots.

Like the time he pulled the metal out of Wolverine. Yikes

I liked the Claremont/Byrne stories.... Byrne made him look so powerful and, what's the word I'm searching for, glorious? With that flowing cape.

Cullen Bunn, whose best work is with his own creator-owned horror comics (The Sixth Gun, Harrow County), did a superb, if sometimes murky with the details, Magento series, that really brought back the horrific side of the character. Impaling people on spikes, driving nails through their brains (slowly I might add. We get to see at first, the nails in the hand, stuck to the face, blood dripping - before he pushes the nails in deeper. It was the type of gruesome imagery you'd expect from Bunn's scary comics)

So even though he has this sympathetic, anti-hero side to him. He's also been one hell of a dark figure (and very mysterious at first because the helmet hid his face. We didn't know who we was back in the 60s) and that's why I voted for him. (he and Green Goblin were my favorite Marvel villains when I was a kid)
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 08, 2019, 09:11:20 AM
 
#11

David Lo Pan

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50 Points, 3 Lists, #3 Cole Stratton

Mr. Burton, if you have an influence over your youthful friend, you better exert it now. Otherwise, I will have you both brought out to the hell where people are skinned alive, it's that simple, understand?

Wanted For Running gangs, ancient evil magic, not letting D & D nerds know that beholders are real.

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David Lo Pan is the main villain of the film Big Trouble in Little China.  David Lo Pan was once Lo Pan (sans David, obviously), a power wizard and warrior in ancient China.  After being defeated by the emperor, he was made incorporeal until the day he would marry a girl with green eyes.  Lo Pan has long sought such a woman, only able to become corporeal for a little while each day as a frail old man.  Nonetheless, in this form he became a powerful criminal leader and eventually moved to America to control the gangs in Chinatown.  Eventually upon finding two girls with green eyes (which isn’t as rare as you think, Lo Pan), Lo Pan found himself against his old wizarding enemy Egg Shen, Wang and the hapless but well-intentioned Jack Burton.

Lo Pan’s wizarding power is great but also severely limited by his curse.  But in his corner, he also has three magic martial artists (the Three Storms), a Borneo Wildman (who actually ends up not doing all that much) and a friggin’ beholder.  If Lo Pan is able to re-assume mortal form, he’s been told he will actually be even more powerful than he’s even been, which he wishes to use to finally rule the world.  His lair is full of replications of various Chinese “Hells”, promising horrible torture to all who are subject to them.

Lo Pan’s a fun flashy villain with a crazy lair, crazy powers and crazy henchmen.  But he’s also a lot of fun in personality, thanks in large part to the performance of James Hong.  If you have an hour, watch this great video about the career of James Hong…

https://www.youtube.com/v/mGRmmasmeVk
   
To put it short, Hong brings your classic menace and grandiosity to this classic Fu Manchu-type villain.  But while that archetype has fallen out of favour in general, Lo Pan is still a fan favourite due to him having a lot of personality.  He’s really quite funny (the video rightly chooses the moment when he just gets pissed at seeing our heroes on a security tape) and the character goes in some different directions while still feeling whole.  The movie overall is a lot of fun and a lot is owed to James Hong as Lo Pan.

https://www.youtube.com/v/J4c2hFeD7GQ

Trivia
The Three Storms were partly the inspiration for the popular character of thunder god Raiden from Mortal Kombat fighting video game series, while David Lo Pan was the inspiration for the evil sorcerer Shang Tsung.
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Post by: Darth Geek on July 08, 2019, 01:18:08 PM
Lo Pan is a great villain. Funny, but still menacing.

And thanks for the James Hong video, I'll definitely check that out. He's a cool character actor that is always nice to see him pop up. With the possible exception for R.I.P.D., where he was made into a joke and it was just embarrassing.
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Post by: Lunquewill on July 08, 2019, 01:33:29 PM
#11

David Lo Pan

Here's a Tamara's Never Seen about Big Trouble in Little China
https://youtu.be/7oAy9WtyvPQ (https://youtu.be/7oAy9WtyvPQ)

Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: linszoid on July 08, 2019, 01:35:43 PM
#12

Magneto


Cerebro...
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on July 08, 2019, 01:50:44 PM
Gotta love Magneto, one of the most epic characters ever. And Lo Pan is quite good no doubt about it.

I liked the Claremont/Byrne stories.... Byrne made him look so powerful and, what's the word I'm searching for, glorious? With that flowing cape.

Good stuff for sure, I was just reading that run lately. I noticed Magneto wasn't around much for Byrne's tenure, I think he only drew Magneto in about two issues in that run, Uncanny 112 & 113. With Dave Cockrum drawing the appearances earlier in the Claremont run, and other artists later in the Claremont run.
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Post by: George-2.0 on July 08, 2019, 01:55:46 PM
Gotta love Magneto, one of the most epic characters ever. And Lo Pan is quite good no doubt about it.

I liked the Claremont/Byrne stories.... Byrne made him look so powerful and, what's the word I'm searching for, glorious? With that flowing cape.

Good stuff for sure, I was just reading that run lately. I noticed Magneto wasn't around much for Byrne's tenure, I think he only drew Magneto in about two issues in that run, Uncanny 112 & 113. With Dave Cockrum drawing the appearances earlier in the Claremont run, and other artists later in the Claremont run.

Seriously, only twice? It must have left a deep impression on me then. That kidnap story really blew me away.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 08, 2019, 02:05:40 PM
#10

Khan Noonien Singh

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Khan Noonien Singh is a villain in the Star Trek franchise.  In the 1990s, during the Eugenics Wars (remember them?), Khan controlled about a quarter of the Earth with his empire.  But eventually he was deposed and, in his escape, went into cryogenic stasis on the ship SS Botany Bay with his other most loyal followers.  Khan was awakened centuries later by the crew of the starship USS Enterprise who were shocked to learn whom they had awakened.  Khan attempted to conquer the ship and return to Earth to rebuild their empire anew only to be defeated by Kirk, who came up with a compromise: exile on a hostile world that he was free to tame.  Khan accepted but years later vowed revenge when Kirk failed to see his progress and was unaware of a tragedy that befell the planet, nearly killing all of the Botany Bay survivors.

Khan Noonien Singh was one of several superhuman created as a result of genetic engineering.  One of the warlords of the Eugenics Wars, he was often considered the most benign of the rulers of that era.  However, he still believes in rule solely by those with the power to do so, using his army of super soldiers to accomplish his goal.  In the events of Wrath of Khan, he becomes obsessed with revenge against Kirk and dedicates all his intelligence to outmaneuvering him and making him suffer, though his focus on revenge rather than victory partially proves to be his undoing.

Ricardo Montleban brings a lot of presence to Khan in his appearances as them.  In the first episode he brings both menace and charisma while showing a man of honour.  In the second, he is powerful still, but a much more tragic figure, driven by his hatred.  Star Trek films have struggled with good villains since then (Search for Spock’s villain is pretty OK but far less memorable) with four wisely forgoing a real villain altogether.  Star Trek has had its share of military men and space gods, but Khan stands out as a unique and personal threat to the crew, one that ends in both tragedy and hope.

https://www.youtube.com/v/geCfrrS4GKo

Trivia
In the DVD bonus feature "The Captain's Log", Ricardo Montalban says that once he committed to this film, he realized that he had trouble getting back into the character of Khan. After years of playing Mr. Roarke on Fantasy Island (1977), he found that he was "stuck" in that character. He requested a tape of Star Trek: Space Seed (1967) from Paramount, and proceeded to watch it repeatedly. By the third or fourth watching, he had recaptured the essence of Khan's character.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on July 08, 2019, 02:09:18 PM
Seriously, only twice? It must have left a deep impression on me then. That kidnap story really blew me away.

Right on, great run for sure. I was just looking it up, looks like he had some scenes in some other issues in the run too. http://www.comicbookdb.com/character.php?ID=68

And man gotta love Khan! What a legend. One of the best movies ever. The episode is pretty cool too, but that movie elevates it quite a bit I'd say.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: linszoid on July 08, 2019, 02:43:40 PM
Fake chests?
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 08, 2019, 02:54:23 PM
Fake chests?
I was about to post that.  That was all him, he bulked up for months before filming.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Darth Geek on July 08, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
While I do like Wrath of Khan, I don't find it as great as a lot of other people. Khan is an interesting character, and very well played by Montalban. But his constant quoting of Captain Ahab just makes it seem like he either never finished reading Moby Dick, or somehow missed one of the most obvious examples of self destructive characters ever written.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: The Lurker on July 08, 2019, 03:11:40 PM
While I do like Wrath of Khan, I don't find it as great as a lot of other people. Khan is an interesting character, and very well played by Montalban. But his constant quoting of Captain Ahab just makes it seem like he either never finished reading Moby Dick, or somehow missed one of the most obvious examples of self destructive characters ever written.
It’s an ego thing.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Darth Geek on July 08, 2019, 03:14:24 PM
While I do like Wrath of Khan, I don't find it as great as a lot of other people. Khan is an interesting character, and very well played by Montalban. But his constant quoting of Captain Ahab just makes it seem like he either never finished reading Moby Dick, or somehow missed one of the most obvious examples of self destructive characters ever written.
It’s an ego thing.
Oh I know it is. And I get that that is the point. But it just undercuts his supposed intelligence in my opinion.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 08, 2019, 06:40:18 PM
Fake chests?
I was about to post that.  That was all him, he bulked up for months before filming.
Oh yeah, that muscle, that was 100% Montalbahn. Also, I love Lo Pan. He didn't make it on my list but he is definitely one of the more quotable villains.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 09, 2019, 04:58:08 AM
#9

Colonel Hans Landa

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Hans Landa is the most prominent villain in the film Inglorious Basterds.  In the film Landa is a Colonel in the Nazi Army and is an expert tracker.  Landa is first scene finding and killing a Jewish family in France, with him unaware that only one was left alive.  Three years later, Landa is present for the premiere of a Nazi propaganda film and unknowingly runs into that last survivor, now living as the proprietor of the local movie theatre.  Along the way, Landa also comes to realize that there is a plot to kill Hitler in the works and acts accordingly… to his own self interest.

Landa is a brilliant detective given the nickname of the “Jew Hunter” for his ability to find escaping Jews.  Despite the work he’s done with the Nazi party, he has no interest in Nazi ideology, thinking only for himself and what he can gain.  He is supremely optimistic and is not driven by hate or anger but simply calculating to keep his situation comfortable, even if he has to do evil things to do it.  Landa is capable of speaking multiple languages extremely well, including French, Italian and English, though he often misuses common English idioms (“If the shoe fits, you must wear it”).  Despite his dispassionate approach to his work, whether it be finding people to be killed or using his bare hands, he often has a warm ingratiating personality, hiding the menace underneath.

Tarantino intended Landa to be his greatest creation and there’s definitely an argument for it.  He’s scheming and slimy, willing to use his brilliance to assist an evil cause he cares nothing for simply because it gives him what he wants.  But at the same time, Christoph Waltz also makes him extremely charismatic and a delight to watch as he seems to run rings around the characters with his cleverness until he underestimates what the “good guys” are capable of.  The film is about how artistic mediums can be tools of hate and anger but Landa is the character who seems to be removed from any of that, not because he’s good but because he just doesn’t care.

https://www.youtube.com/v/geCfrrS4GKo

Trivia
Quentin Tarantino was considering abandoning the film while the casting search for someone to play Colonel Hans Landa took place, fearing he'd written a role that was unplayable. After Christoph Waltz auditioned, however, both Tarantino and producer Lawrence Bender agreed they had found the perfect actor for the role.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 09, 2019, 08:55:32 AM
Color me surprised. I was reasonably sure Khan had a fairly good chance of making the top spot.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on July 09, 2019, 09:13:14 AM
Color me surprised. I was reasonably sure Khan had a fairly good chance of making the top spot.
Sorry I Khan't color you surprised.
Nope no Khan do :rimshot:
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 09, 2019, 09:34:14 AM
#8

Doctor Doom

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No one rivals Doom!  NO ONE!

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Victor Von Doom is a prominent villain in the Marvel Universe.  Raised in a community of outcast gypsies in the nation of Latveria, Doom lost his mother to magic.  Deciding to overthrow the despot who took control of his nation, Doom learned many skills including magic, science and warfare.  To this end, he traveled to America where an experiment that fellow genius Reed Richards resulted in him scarring his face.  Unbelieving that the mistake was his, Doom blamed Richards and vowed revenge.  After using his skills to conquer Latveria and turn it into a tyrannical utopia, Doom kept his vow by repeatedly trying (and nearly succeeding) to defeat Richards and his family/superhero team The Fantastic Four and conquer the Earth.

Doom rules the nation of Latveria and as a ruler is mostly beloved, save for a few revolutionary factions.  He has mastered science (challenged only by Reed Richards), magic (challenged only by Doctor Strange) and various other skills.  He’s even created a method of time travel and developed methods of combining science and magic far more advanced than most scientists and sorcerers in the Marvel Universe.  Doom is also supremely arrogant, believing only in his own power and abilities to accomplish a truly better world.  Doom also wears a specialized armor of his own design that amplifies his strength and comes with various tools.  Doom also prides himself on his nobility, never pursuing any strategy he would see as a cheat or would make him look lesser in his own eyes.

Doom might be the greatest hero ever if he weren’t so egotistical.  Doom’s nobility goes to the core, as he always keeps his promises and treats those who follow him well.  But Doom is unable to see past himself and is willing to do awful things to win, even if they are “fair” in his mind.  He even turned the woman he loved into a suit of armor simply to satisfy his mad vendetta against Richards.  A vendetta born simply of the fact that he refuses to believe that he would be one in the wrong.  But for his flaws, Doom is a tenacious foe and even his known weaknesses can be hard to exploit.  He might be second best at everything (magic, armor, scientific prowess) but all that together makes him one of the most powerful men alive… who is even skilled at taking out those more powerful than himself, including outthinking the devil himself.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZrqPcOE.png)

Trivia
The exact nature of Doom’s original scarring are unknown following his original accident but co-creator Kirby theorizes it is merely a tiny scar and that his ego couldn’t take it.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on July 09, 2019, 11:23:45 AM
Doom is definitely an iconic and timeless villain. And I would say a big influence on Darth Vader as well, plus George Lucas was friends with Jack Kirby and was a comics reader.

And Christoph Waltz is always excellent.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 09, 2019, 11:59:07 AM
It's just too damn bad we STILL haven't had a great movie version of Doctor Doom... yet. I'm pretty sure the next Avengers movie might fix that.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 09, 2019, 01:15:59 PM
As it is, I suspect the Avengers is done... for a while, anyway.  If he pops up, it will likely be in Fantastic Four.   Even then, I hope they back off of him in the first one.  There's a lot going on with that character which is PART of the reason he hasn't worked on screen yet (though far from the only one).
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on July 09, 2019, 03:30:26 PM
#13

Professor James Moriarty

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 :D :D
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 09, 2019, 06:12:32 PM
#7

Thanos

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I, Thanos, gaze upon the cold vastness of space and muse upon my life. Both, I find, are empty.

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Thanos is a villain in the Marvel Universe.  A god from the planet Titan, Thanos was obsessed with Death at a very young age.  And with  the personification of death is very real in the Marvel Universe, Thanos is in love with her.  In order to prove his love, Thanos has sought out to improve upon is already godlike power so that he may destroy half of life in the universe to restore what Death considers to be a universal imbalance.  Though Death and Thanos both want this, Death does not reciprocate Thanos’ emotions.  In addition to this, Thanos is often attempting to conquer planets and expand his powerbase in his lust for strength.

In addition to his Godlike powers, Death has also imbued Thanos with a number of mystical abilities for him to command.  Despite him being nearly unstoppable as it is, Thanos often seeks objects of power that can move him into another level of power.  Originally he sought the Cosmic Cube but is more famous for eventually acquiring the Infinity Gems, which made him truly omnipotent.  Thanos was only defeated by Adam Warlock communicating from inside his gem and making him realize the main reason he lost in the past was a sort of mental block which prevented victory.

Thanos is probably the greatest threats in the Marvel Universe, at one point killing half of all life with his power.  But while he is a powerhouse, he is also dangerously intelligent and often uses his wits to escape death (who, ironically, he loves) on more than one occasion.  Most recently, Josh Brolin was lauded for his portrayal of Thanos in the Marvel Universe, making him much more human while still presenting us with his capability to do unthinkable acts.  Though Thanos’ evil is unparalleled, he is a charismatic character and has had his own series multiple times, including the acclaimed and out there “Thanos Wins” story, in which Thanos time travels into a future where he has “won” and is disgusted with his older self, essentially resulting in a Thanos War.  Oh, and there’s Cosmic Ghost Rider, too.

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Though creator Jim Starlin was inspired by Jack Kirby’s Fourth World comics, Thanos wasn’t originally modelled on Darkseid but the amoral but unaligned Metron.  However, fellow creator Roy Thomas told him "Beef him up! If you're going to steal one of the New Gods, at least rip off Darkseid, the really good one!"
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on July 10, 2019, 01:30:02 AM
Even though I voted for him, I never liked Thanos. He's such an arrogant prick. I love how in Hickman's Secret Wars, after all his planning, all the destruction he causes over the course of the event; when he finally confronts Doom (who is in God-mode)... he's absolutely nothing, no threat at all.

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Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 10, 2019, 05:33:01 AM
#6

The Monarch

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The Monarch is a recurring villain and one of the main cast in the TV series The Venture Bros.  The Monarch is a butterfly-themed supervillain and archenemy to Dr. Thaddeus “Rusty” Venture, a “super scientist” and former boy adventurer.  Well, Venture doesn’t think of it that way, more of an annoyance but The Monarch has dedicated his life to ruining Ventures for extremely unclear reasons.  To this end he employs an army of henchmen, a giant floating cocoon (which people question thematically, as cocoons can’t fly) and a right hand woman/girlfriend Dr. Girlfriend.  Later they marry and she becomes Dr. Mrs. The Monarch.

The Monarch is a member of the Guild of Calamitous Intent, an organization designed to enforce rules for supervillains in the war between them and heroes.  He is often at odds with them as his own mistakes and personal enemies have stood in his way of his main goal: continuing to antagonize Dr. Venture and his family.  The Monarch isn’t usually particularly practical, often more focused on making his villainy as dramatic and cool as possible.  Despite this, his hatred and love of villainy seem to be quite genuine, sometimes in ways other villains aren’t.  Nonetheless, often the elaborateness of his plans stand in his way from victory.

The Monarch is a villain who just keeps getting better as the show goes on.  It isn’t just that he is a funny character, but starting with the episode “The Trial of the Monarch” near the end of season one, I realized I was very much invested in his arch as much as or even more than the “good guy” characters.  I like that for their ups and downs, he and Dr. Girlfriend/Dr. Mrs. The Monarch seem to genuinely love each other and Dr. Girlfriend, while recognizing her lover is a pretty flawed villain also has an essence and a passion that he loves.  He might be evil, but of all the characters on this list, he might be the one I really want to get a happy ending by the series end (if that ever happens.

https://www.youtube.com/v/tz4PdpfI7zY

Trivia
The Monarch's New Jersey home is modeled after the Krueger Mansion in Newark, NJ.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Darth Geek on July 10, 2019, 06:22:04 AM
The Monarch is awesome! Both in his elaborate plans, and when sometimes he resorts to childishness like kicking Venture in the balls and shitting in his pool.
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Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 10, 2019, 01:29:24 PM
 That really surprises me. After infinity war and endgame Thanos Is only number seven?
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 10, 2019, 01:53:01 PM
#5

Dr. Clayton Forrester

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Dr. Clayton Forrester is an evil mad scientist in Mystery Science Theater 3000 seasons 0-7.  An employee of Gizmonics Institute, Dr. Forrester went into hiding with Dr. Erhardt to pursue their dream: of ruling the world by with a movie so bad it would drive people insane.  To this end he shot a janitor/amateur inventor into space and made him watch the world’s worst movies weekly with his little robot friends.  Eventually Dr. Erhardt disappeared and was replaced with a former’s Arby’s employee named Frank, who became his assistant/doormat for years.  Eventually, Frank moved onto the afterlife and Dr. Forrester’s overbearing mother Pearl moved in.  Soon after, Forrester ended the experiment, only to encounter the worst movie ever that made him reborn (a la 2001: A Space Odyssey) and raised by his awful mother again in an attempt to do it right this time.  But seeing as she smothered him with a pillow, it didn’t seem to work out.

Dr. Forrester is a classic mad scientist with wild hair and a bright green lab coat.  He lives/hides in Gizmonics Institutes sub-sub-sub basement Deep 13, though it doesn’t seem that anyone is actually trying to find him (and seeing that they get a number of visitors, it doesn’t seem to be a good hiding place).  Forrester prides himself on his evil but apart from constantly abusing/murdering Frank, he tends to be ineffectual all around.  Despite the abuse he hurls on Frank, he usually treats him as a friend, in a twisted sort of way, and is sad when he eventually ascends to second banana heaven.

Like many of the mads, Dr. Forrester is pretty pathetic despite his evil and Trace Beaulieu brings in a lot to make him enjoyable to watch.  Granted, the character is often quite malleable depending on what comic voice is needed in the situation but it does round him a bit more to see him palling around with Frank as often as he is hurting him.  Trace is also the mad who has had the longest tenure on the show, so it is a testament to him that he managed to keep the character enjoyable throughout and seeming to fit with some of the tonal changes from season to season.

https://www.youtube.com/v/3PODneWdJx8

Trivia
Dr. Forrester’s name is taken from the lead character in the 1953 adaptation of War of the Worlds.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 10, 2019, 04:15:49 PM
Forrester! Forrester! Doctor Clayton Forrester!
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 11, 2019, 04:59:13 AM
#4

Hans Gruber

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Hans Gruber is the main villain in the movie Die Hard.  A master criminal, Hans Gruber’s plot is to steal $640,000,000 in bearer bonds from the Nakatomi Plaza in LA by acting as a terrorist and having he and his men taking a Christmas party hostage.  He uses the terrorist act as a plot so the police and the FBI are unaware of what they are really after in order to trick them into completing his plan for them.  However, Gruber soon becomes aware that a New York police detective is loose in the plaza and is working to prevent him from completing his plan.

Gruber is a coolheaded and intelligent criminal, always a step ahead of most of his foes.  He’s a quick thinker when the plan changes as well and is incredibly ruthless, planning to kill a number of innocent people in order to get his money.  Though acting more of a thief in the film, Gruber does have a terrorist past, being expelled from a West German freedom fighting movement for being too extreme.  However, he seems to have no interest in using his intended wealth for continuing any terrorist campaign but simply to use it to retire.

Die Hard is a fantastic movie and spawned a lot of imitators but a lot of those imitators forgot to have a villain as charismatic as Hans Gruber.  Some try but it often feels like a copy of a copy.  Hans Gruber as played by Alan Rickman is a true match for our hero in terms of wits, intelligence and screen presence, and when the two finally meet (about two times in the film), it pays off really well.  I feel like super genius criminal has been done to death too, but while the plan here does seem as over the top, the film sells it well compared to villains who seem to think every element of the plot is just part of their plan.  We really get to see Gruber, despite having the upperhand for most of the film, still able to think on his feet when plans change, a real threatening foe for a character who, in his first movie, is actually pretty vulnerable (compared to the sequels when he becomes increasingly superhuman.)

https://www.youtube.com/v/TSdpRP_bVOM

Trivia
This was the feature film (and Hollywood) debut of Alan Rickman, who had previously only appeared onstage and on British television. Rickman was 41 at the time. As such, he was nervous about how his first Hollywood role would go over, but his outstanding success as Hans Gruber secured a lucrative career in American film.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on July 11, 2019, 08:21:42 AM
YIPPEE KAYAY MUDDER FUDDER  :P
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Darth Geek on July 11, 2019, 12:35:02 PM
Wow, I had no idea Alan Rickman's first Hollywood role was in Die Hard. That is a hell of a way to start!
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 11, 2019, 12:48:00 PM
#3

Megatron

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Megatron is a villain and often the primary antagonist of the Transformers frachise.  A robot from the distant planet Cybertron, Megatron is the leader of the faction known as the Decepticons, whose ultimate aim is to control Cybertron.  After a battle between the Decepticons and the noble Autobots ended with both parties crashed on Earth and remained unconscious for millions of years.  When finally reawakened, Megatron was given a new form to help him blend in; a gun (which, in America, is VERY helpful) and began his campaign of terror on Earth to defeat the autobots and steal energon, a sort of energy source for transformers, from the Earth.

Megatron’s form varies from different installments of the franchise from hand gun to rifle to cannon to tank.  The one consistency is that he is almost always some form of projectile weapon.  As leader, Megatron is openly ruthless and hostile, believing in acquiring power any way he can.  He is extremely arrogant, believing in his own greatness and even in the face of a space god attempts to assert his dominance (although that doesn’t work out for him).  Later on, Megatron is upgraded to Galvatron at the hands of Unicron, the aforementioned space god.  His righthand man is Soundwave, an extremely loyal boombox (that’s a unique sentence) and he often keeps the treacherous Starscream close by, confident he can quash any powerplay he attempts (he’s generally correct).

Frank Welker is known more these days for doing animal voices but he has a long history of doing characters and Megatron is one of his best.  Evil robots are a dime a dozen but Megatron is pretty up there, from his cool design to the fact that he lets his men use him as a weapon.  I mean, it’s pretty ballsy when you let a man who has repeatedly tried to usurp you use you as a weapon.  Megatron is a confident guy.  Also a shout out to Beast Wars Megatron, who was counted separately in the rankings but was a fun villain as well.  And another shout out to Transformers Vs. GI Joe.  It’s so good.


(https://advancecomics.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/accesorise.jpg?w=630)

https://www.youtube.com/v/gisNllos7Zk

Trivia
In 2009, a Canadian man was arrested after a three-hour standoff with police, during which he wielded only an "80s-style" Megatron toy
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 11, 2019, 03:16:28 PM
 I don’t know if you’re ever going to find a list Anywhere besides here that includes both Hans Gruber and Megatron.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: linszoid on July 11, 2019, 03:46:55 PM
Honestly though this may have been the most random list I've seen.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on July 11, 2019, 05:23:25 PM
"This list... still functions!" - to paraphrase the great Megatron.

It comes up on every list possible, rightfully so, I gotta give love to Transformers: The Movie (1986). One of the best movies ever made. A cool franchise in general, the various comics, toons, toys, but that movie in particular is just a masterpiece to me. Megatron and Optimus Prime's rivalry and showdown in the first half hour or so of the movie is maybe the most epic thing ever captured on film/celluloid.

And Rickman always rocked.


Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 11, 2019, 08:29:23 PM
"This list... still functions!" - to paraphrase the great Megatron.

It comes up on every list possible, rightfully so, I gotta give love to Transformers: The Movie (1986). One of the best movies ever made. A cool franchise in general, the various comics, toons, toys, but that movie in particular is just a masterpiece to me. Megatron and Optimus Prime's rivalry and showdown in the first half hour or so of the movie is maybe the most epic thing ever captured on film/celluloid.

And Rickman always rocked.
There are SO many ways Transformers the movie could have failed as a work of art. Even 33 years later it still manages to captivate movie fans and Transformers fans alike, and of course I'll always be the first to say that aside from Bumblebee, Transformers the movie is easily the best Transformers movie.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 12, 2019, 05:11:33 AM
#2

The Joker

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The Joker is a villain in the DC Universe and the arch-villain of Batman.  The Joker’s true origin has never been revealed, though some stories posited that he was a member of the Red Hood Gang and that a fall in a vat of chemicals changed his complexion.  However, this has been unverified in most versions and the Joker himself stated that he views the past as “multiple choice” meaning it is difficult to know where the truth lies.  He first encountered Batman and Robin as he was declaring who his murder victims were, killing them at the time he stated and stealing their valuables.  Since then, the Joker has been Batman’s greatest foe, one of the few men who could outthink him, all the while treating it as a game (or in some cases, a work of art).

The Joker is a criminal whose ultimate motivation seems to be his own entertainment.  He doesn’t seem to care much for money or revenge in most stories, though there are many where he avenges his own vanity or reputation.  His modus operandi tends to be humour, joke and clown themed crimes, themselves often designed to be elaborate and humourous, at least to him.  The Joker’s natural skin color is chalk white (presumably due to some form of accident) and his hair is green, giving him a clownlike appearance.  He is a genius chemist as well, creating a poison called Joker Venom that kills victims and leaves them with a rictus grin.

In his initial appearance, the Joker was to be killed off but editors quickly changed their minds, having the Joker barely survive and creating one of the most iconic villains of all time.  He’s a very malleable character, allowing for sillier and more humourous stories (like many of Paul Dini’s) to outright grim horror tales.  If Batman is a man trying to put order into the universe, the Joker, for whatever reason, is trying to destroy it.  I think that’s why despite the fact that there are some good origin tales for the character, his strength is that he is sort of unknowable.  It also helps that his flamboyance allows for fantastical set pieces and plots that a regular plainclothes criminal could not.  He’s been played by some great actors over the years, including Caesar Romero, Jack Nicholson, Mark Hamill and Heath Ledger to name a few and is even getting his own movie this year.  The Joker has had a lot of approaches but in the end what makes him a delight is that he’s the one guy who always keeps the world’s greatest detective on his toes.

(https://i.imgur.com/KqRa2Zx.png)

https://www.youtube.com/v/rDXHWWLGzN8

Trivia
The Joker was visually inspired by the 1928 film The Man Who Laughs.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/The-Man-Who-Laughs-%281928%29-Gwynplaine.png/175px-The-Man-Who-Laughs-%281928%29-Gwynplaine.png)
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on July 12, 2019, 05:34:41 AM
I didn't vote for Joker because I'm so fracking sick of him. Geeze DC, give him a rest... every damn Batman special or arc has to have this asshat show up. The overkill has caused me to stop buying Bat-books.

But he must be generating sales or they wouldn't use him to death the way they do, which means I'm in the great minority here.

And for a villains list, he deserves the high ranking.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 12, 2019, 06:06:21 AM
I definitely get being sick of him.  He's my number one because when he is used well, he is very good.  But it is sort of like Wolverine or Deadpool where the character often has to appear EVERYWHERE.

I prefer the Paul Dini version the best.  A lot of writers have him be this be-all end-all of evil but Dini's version could range from silly to truly terrifying while remaining fundamentally the same character.  But yeah, DC has like 6 Joker books announced, one with three Jokers in it.  That's too much of a good thing.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 12, 2019, 02:13:43 PM
I don't mean to hurry you or anything Johnny but will the top spot be revealed today or Monday?
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 12, 2019, 05:05:58 PM

#1

Darth Vader

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Darth Vader is the villain in the original Star Wars trilogy and one of the main characters in the prequel trilogy, but let us not dwell on that.  Darth is a servant of the fascistic and evil Galactic Empire and one of its most powerful agents.  Originally a Jedi named Anakin Skywalker, he was tempted by the power of the dark side of the Force and allied himself with the empire to become more powerful.  He was later opposed by his son and a band of rebels looking to free the galaxy from the Empire’s control. 

Darth Vader was nearly fatally injured in battle, resulting in him replacing many of his body parts with mechanical ones.  The injury also inhibited his breathing requiring him to use a machine that creates a unique and loud sound when he breathes.  He is also a direct student of the Emperor, a powerful Sith Lord and is one of the most powerful force users, aided by both Jedi and Sith training as well an intuitive connection to the Force.  He’s a skilled swordsman and pilot as well, and an accomplished military leader.  Though he has a calm exterior, he often uses violence to get his way and even murders his own underlings when they fail him, usually by choking them with the force.

Darth Vader is one of screendom’s most iconic villain, thanks to his cool, unique look (his cape, plastic black suit and train-like mask) and the performances of David Prowse and James Earl Jones.  While Prowse might be bitter that his… less than fitting voice was removed from the movie, he lends an imposing air with his body language that implies cold power and strength.  Jones, meanwhile, gives Vader’s voice a real weight and when he makes a threat or a promise, it feels that what he says is not mere talk.  Vader is a man who intends to keep his promise.  Even though he only appeared for 12 minutes in the first film, he made such an impact, it is harder to imagine doing those films with merely the relatively bland military villains like Grand Moff Tarkin (a decent villain but you aren’t exactly scared or excited to see him show up.)  Star Wars has a lot of amazing characters but this villain might be the first thing that pops into your head when the franchise is brought to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/v/yHfLyMAHrQE

Trivia
Darth Vader was originally a rather minor character, and early drafts actually have him spending most of the movie without his iconic suit. He was even going to be killed off during the trench run at the end.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: linszoid on July 12, 2019, 06:39:24 PM
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Someone feels slighted...
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: linszoid on July 12, 2019, 06:41:50 PM
fun fact: "Father" when translated to dutch is "Vader"!
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 12, 2019, 06:54:30 PM
Thank you Johnny for hosting the list! As always, you do an amazing job!  :)
Anywhere here's my list if anyone cares...

1.   Thanos
2.   Unicron
3.   Darth Vader
4.   The Master (Doctor Who)
5.   Galactus
6.   Khan Noonien Singh
7.   Megatron
8.   Sauron (Lord of the rings)
9.   Davros
10.   Ramsay Bolton
11.   Sephiroth (Final Fantasy series)
12.   Ebony Maw
13.   Gul Dukat
14.   Hela
15.   Lex Luthor
16.   Kylo Ren
17.   Magneto
18.   Hal-9000
19.   General Chang (Star Trek)
20.   Loki
21.   The Predator
22.   Cersei Lannister
23.   Kilgrave
24.   Barry (Archer)
25.   Ming the Merciless
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: stethacantus on July 12, 2019, 08:04:48 PM
For my list, I went more with the fun factor. How entertaining each villain was as opposed to their actual schemes or achievements. There were a lot of villains I completely forgot about. Before I get to my list, here are just some villains I only remembered after I submitted my list.

The Tall Man
From the Phantasm film series.
(https://i.imgur.com/DjQnyYr.jpg)
One of the first things I did was go through all my all time favorite films and look for villains. And somehow Phantasm slipped my mind.

Alfred Pennyworth
(https://i.imgur.com/YGZo2qk.jpg)
Yes, Batman's butler. Back in the 1960s there were accusations that Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson were secret homosexuals, and to counter those accusations, DC decided to get rid of Alfred and replace him with Dick's Aunt Harriet. Because gay men never live with elderly old women. Well, you can't just fire the loyal manservant who knows all your secrets, so DC decided the only way to write Alfred out of the book was to kill him off. Which happened after poor Alfred was buried under a landslide of boulders. Aunt Harriet showed up and insisted she take care of her nephew, and that was that. Except for the television series which insisted on having both Aunt Harriet and Alfred as characters. The television version of Alfred became so popular that DC decided they somehow needed to bring him back.

Not so easy though. Batman had been battling a mysterious foe with supernatural powers called The Outsider for months, the identity of which was never revealed. Some fans began speculating that The Outsider, who turned up after Alfred's death, was actually Alfred. To prove to fans once and for all the Outsider wasn't Alfred, one issue had Batman dig up Alfred's grave, only to find his decomposing remains inside. Alfred was definitely dead for years, definitely crushed, and definitely rotting away. Later when DC decided to revive Alfred, the writers came up with this idea. Batman finally catches up with the Outsider and blasts him with a rejuvenation ray, he turns into Alfred, who has no memory of his years as The Outsider. Batman then concludes that Alfred had been taken to a lab and revived by a mad scientist, only to then turn into The Outsider who then killed the scientist and turned him into the body of Alfred and had him buried in Alfred's grave. Aunt Harriet left, and the issue over possibility homosexuality was settled by writing Dick Grayson out of the book by sending him to college. And Alfred being Batman's greatest foe was never mentioned again.

Van Bullock
From Roots of Evil ( 1979 )
(https://i.imgur.com/UNzXb69.jpg)
Good thing I didn't submit this one because he would probably have been #2, which means Johnny would have been screwed since you can find zero about this character on the internet, and the film has never been released on home video in English speaking countries, nor is yet available for streaming. My only copy is a now defunct torrent of a VHS home video release of the film from Denmark, in English but with huge subtitles in Danish. Basically, dwarf actor Deep Roy plays a drug kingpin who wants to open a karate school as a front for selling his drugs, but goes into an unreasonable rage when he discovers there is another karate school on the same block, and spends the rest of the film trying to do away with the school's owner Frank Mertens ( German pop star Christian Anders ). I watched bits and pieces of this film a couple of weeks ago when I dug up the disc to make a copy for a friend, and realized the murdering Van Bullock should have been on my villain list.




#1 Mantrid

#2 Evil the Cat

#3 Dean Wormer

#4 Barnaby ( the Crooked Man ) from Babes in Toyland ( 1935 ) and Our Gang Follies of 1938
(https://i.imgur.com/kmvbdOu.jpg)

#5 The Child Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang ( 1968 )
(https://i.imgur.com/Ztsomqj.jpg)

#6 The Wicked Witch of the West from The Wizard of Oz ( 1939 )
(https://i.imgur.com/BSuMA0r.jpg)

#7 Joker

#8 Dick Dasterdly
(https://i.imgur.com/USGo10v.jpg)

#9 Lex Luthor

#10 Hedley Lamarr

#11 Yosemite Sam
(https://i.imgur.com/d923w9J.jpg)

#12 Isambard Prince from The Lexx
(https://i.imgur.com/JH8uues.jpg)

#13 Professor Moriarty

#14 Dr. Charles Decker from Konga ( 1961 )
(https://i.imgur.com/3jlmc0p.jpg)

#15 Grandma Dynamite from The Flintstones
(https://i.imgur.com/JSnPuHD.jpg)

#16 Pai Mei
(https://i.imgur.com/SkSaQe3.jpg)

#17 The Riddler

#18 Ernst Blowfeld

#19 Doctor Who  NO! NOT THAT ONE!  from King Kong Escapes ( 1967 )
(https://i.imgur.com/D9tg3eJ.jpg)

#20 Doctor Octopus

#21 Professor Chaos from South Park
(https://i.imgur.com/l93elYw.png)

#22 The Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail  ( 1975 )

#23 The Night King from Game of Thrones

#24 Pearl Forrester

#25 Dr. Clayton Forrester
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: goflyblind on July 12, 2019, 11:20:06 PM
01. Bill Cipher (Gravity Falls)
02. Randall Flagg (a lot of Stephen King novels, most prominent: Dark Tower, The Stand, Eyes of the Dragon)
03. Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
04. Cancer Man (X-Files)
05. The Beast (Over the Garden Wall)
06. Ben Chang (Community)
07. The Master/Missy (Doctor Who)
08. Rachel Duncan (Orphan Black)
09. Shawn (The Good Place)
10. Elf Queen (Discworld - Lords & Ladies, Wee Free Men, Shepherd's Crown)
11. The Kid (Castle Rock)
12. HAL 9000 (2001)
13. The Psychologist/The Director (Southern Reach trilogy)
14. Sylvanas Windrunner (Warcraft)
15. Joker (Batman, Dark Knight)
16. Moriarty (both the Sherlock and Elementary versions, I haven't actually read any of the books)
17. Loki (both MCU & mythological)
18. Khan (Star Trek TOS, Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan)
19. Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg (Fifth Element)
20. Moe (Calvin & Hobbes comic strip)
21. Beetlejuice (Beetlejuice)
22. Gannondorf (Legend of Zelda games)
23. Ananke (Lightless trilogy)
24. Dukat (Star Trek DS9)
25. Ash (Alien)
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Pak-Man on July 12, 2019, 11:43:38 PM
1. The Monarch (Venture Bros)
2. Megatron (Transformers)
3. The Terror (The Tick)
4. Judge Doom (Who Framed Roger Rabbit?)
5. Krang (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)
6. Jabba the Hutt (Star Wars)
7. Sideshow Bob (The Simpsons)
8. Mr. Mxyzptlk (DC)
9. Gozer (Ghostbusters)
10. Skeletor (He-Man)
11. Xenomorph (Alien)
12. Darth Vader (Star Wars)
13. The Joker (Batman)
14. Shredder (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)
15. Cobra Commander (G.I. Joe)
16. Bowser (Mario)
17. Vigo (Ghostbusters)
18. T-1000 (Terminator)
19. Dr. Forrester (MST3K)
20. Gannon (Zelda)
21. Thanos (Marvel)
22. Dr. Wily (Mega Man)
23. Gollum (Lord of the Rings)
24, Magneto (X-Men)
25. MODOK (Marvel)
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: PsychoGoatee on July 13, 2019, 12:28:19 AM
Another excellent LoC, great stuff! Well played.... (to quote Leonardo Leonardo from the Clerks cartoon)

01. Frank Booth (Blue Velvet)
02. Mr. Glum (Savage Dragon)
03. Bane (Batman) [The Dark Knight Rises version especially]
04. Bob (Twin Peaks)
05. Light Yagami (Death Note)
06. Judge Death (Judge Dredd)
07. Castor Troy (Face/Off)
08. Clubber Lang (Rocky III)
09. Vicious (Cowboy Bebop)
10. Freddy Krueger (A Nightmare on Elm Street)
11. Top Dollar (The Crow)
12. Alec Trevelyan (GoldenEye)
13. Legato Bluesummers (Trigun)
14. Evil Ash (Army of Darkness)
15. Dracula (Dracula)
16. Tony Montana (Scarface)
17. Magneto (X-Men)
18. Jason Vorhees (Friday the 13th)
19. Inspector Lau Kin Ming (Infernal Affairs)
20. Revolver Ocelot (Metal Gear Solid)
21. The Joker (Batman)
22. Darth Vader (Star Wars)
23. Cobra Commander (G.I. Joe)
24. Kathie (Out of the Past)
25. Jazzman (Batman: The Animated Series)
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on July 13, 2019, 12:28:31 AM
Here it is.. Top 25 villains list:
1- Q (Star Trek TNG)
2- Baltar (original Battlestar Galactica)
3- Darth Vader
4- Hal-9000
5- T-1000 (Terminator 2)
6- Zorg (5th Element)
7- Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
8- Weyoun (Vorta Star Trek DS9)
9- The Monarch (Venture Broe)
10- Kahn (Star Trek 2)
11- Dr Forrester (MST3K)
12- Dr Evil (Austin Powers)
13- Megatron (Transformers)
14- Lo Pan (Big Trouble in Little China)
15- Boba Fett (Star Wars)
16- Jabba the Hut (Star Wars)
17- Locutus of Borg (Star Trek TNG)
18- Pearl Forrester (MST3k)
19- MCP “Master Control Program” (TRON)
20- Judge Smails (Caddyshack)
21- Evil Rick Sanchez (Rick & Morty “Close Rick-Counters of the Rick Kind”)
22- Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars)
23- Gul Dukat (Cardassian Star Trek DS9)
24- Ardra (“Devil’s Due” Star Trek TNG)
25- Princess Ardala (Buck Rogers 25th Century)
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 13, 2019, 07:12:11 AM
RVR I am curious. Why did you rank Weyoun far above Gil Dukat?
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: RVR II on July 13, 2019, 07:59:52 AM
RVR I am curious. Why did you rank Weyoun far above Gil Dukat?
I guess because Weyoun had more power than Dukat and Dukat seemed a bit weak at times in the series to me :-\
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 13, 2019, 09:22:25 AM
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Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on July 13, 2019, 09:22:44 AM
Johnny, you dun good work as usual.

My listy

1. Kilgrave from Jessica Jones (I truly hated this bastard so much that I gotta put him #1.)
2. Dr. Forrester
3. Norman Bates

4. King Ghidorah - Just because I'm in a Godzilla frame of mind
5. Samara/Sadako from the Ring - just because she made me afraid to turn on my TV or answer the phone or watch a video or take a shower (no wait, that's Norman)
6. Nurse Ratched, One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
7. Mrs. Danvers, Rebecca - I keep thinking, "The God damned Cable Guy made the list. He made the God damned list, but this literary icon didn't. What the f - f - f - flying flaming turtle is going on in this crazy, mixed up world?!"
8. Magneto
9. Nosferatu
10. Thanos
11. Frank Booth, Blue Velvet

12. Auric Goldfinger
13. Anton Arcane from Swamp Thing -The dudes just creepy as sin, body horror at its finest.
14. Dr. Szell, Marathon Man - is it safe?
15. Max Cady, Cape Fear (especially Robert Mitchum’s version. Who didn’t need to overplay it - as De Niro did-  to scare the ever luvin crap out of you. He could just stand and stare at you, looking cool and evil)
16. Reverend Harry Powell, The Night of the Hunter
17. Cigarette Smoking Man, The X-Files
18. Montgomery Burns, The Simpsons

19. Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy’s “Blood Meridian” - Russo wanted vicious, evil, nasty villains - well, they don't come much nastier than the Judge
20. Anton Chigurh, No Country For Old Men
21. Hannibal Lecter

22. Maleficent
23. Professor Moriarity
24. Lady Macbeth - "Out, damned spot! Out, I say!" (Lady Macbeth to her dog, Spot after he took a shit on the Macbeth's brand new carpet)
25. Tom Ripley, created by Patricia Highsmith

 
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 13, 2019, 09:24:09 AM
I only read the first Ripley book but even based on that, good choice.  I know there were talks of a Ripley TV series but I don't know if that is still happening.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on July 13, 2019, 09:34:11 AM
I haven't heard anything about a Ripley TV series, but that would have potential.

Oh, and I had to laugh after seeing I added another "i" to Moriarty's name. Because, well, if you saw the last Holmes Rifftrax, you know why.  ;D
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 13, 2019, 05:31:53 PM
RVR I am curious. Why did you rank Weyoun far above Gil Dukat?
I guess because Weyoun had more power than Dukat and Dukat seemed a bit weak at times in the series to me :-\
I don't know man he seemed pretty powerful to me when he was possessed by the Pah-wraiths.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: linszoid on July 13, 2019, 05:34:29 PM
I only read the first Ripley book but even based on that, good choice.  I know there were talks of a Ripley TV series but I don't know if that is still happening.

A Ripley TV series? I don't know if I can believe it or not.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 13, 2019, 05:35:51 PM
I only read the first Ripley book but even based on that, good choice.  I know there were talks of a Ripley TV series but I don't know if that is still happening.
A Ripley TV series? I don't know if I can believe it or not.
Yeah I was confused for a minute. Ellen Ripley or Ripley's believe it or not I'm walking on air?
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 15, 2019, 09:43:19 AM
BTW, I want to thank everyone who took part for doing so.  It made this list a lot of fun.
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Russoguru on July 16, 2019, 10:13:08 AM
No problem boss it was pretty fun.  :)
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: ColeStratton on July 16, 2019, 03:18:29 PM
I also went with villains that were more fun than deadly, overall. Fun list!

1.   Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
2.   Mrs. Eleanor Shaw Iselin (The Manchurian Candidate)
3.   Lo-Pan (Big Trouble in Little China)
4.   Biff Tannen (Back to the Future)
5.   Beetlejuice (Beetlejuice)
6.   Professor Moriarty (Sherlock Holmes)
7.   El Guapo (Three Amigos!)
8.   Judge Doom (Who Framed Roger Rabbit)
9.   Warden Norton (The Shawshank Redemption)
10.   Castor Troy (Face/Off)
11.   Johnny Lawrence (The Karate Kid)
12.   Mr. Potter (It’s A Wonderful Life)
13.   Harry Powell (The Night of the Hunter)
14.   Long John Silver (Treasure Island)
15.   Jareth the Goblin King (Labyrinth)
16.   Anton Chigurh (No Country for Old Men)
17.   Pennywise the Clown (IT)
18.   Khan (Star Trek)
19.   Ursula (The Little Mermaid)
20.   Hannibal Lechter (The Silence of the Lambs)
21.   Nurse Ratched (One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest)
22.   Keyser Soze (The Usual Suspects)
23.   Max Cady (Cape Fear)
24.   Norman Bates (Psycho)
25.   Shooter McGavin (Happy Gilmore)
Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: George-2.0 on July 16, 2019, 04:11:06 PM
I was half tempted to do an all MST3K/Rifftax/CT list.

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Title: Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
Post by: Darth Geek on July 16, 2019, 07:37:29 PM
Skeletor didn't make the list.

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