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Title: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: linszoid on February 06, 2019, 01:24:29 PM
Choose you must! The last poll closed in five days and this one shall too.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Russoguru on February 06, 2019, 02:37:33 PM
Well my vote's in, and I've already made my list so I hope it wins.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: George-2.0 on February 07, 2019, 12:07:08 AM
I have no interest in games and F&V is a re-do that doesn't need to be done. But the other 3 are fine. I'm torn between 2, so I'll think on it a spell before voting
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Darth Geek on February 07, 2019, 10:15:47 AM
I know there were some classic movies from that era, but the 70s was such a hideous decade I can't imagine I could find 25 movies I have even watched (outside of MST3K and riffing) from then.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: CJones on February 07, 2019, 10:30:15 AM
I know there were some classic movies from that era, but the 70s was such a hideous decade I can't imagine I could find 25 movies I have even watched (outside of MST3K and riffing) from then.

Star Wars, Jaws, Rocky Horror Picture. And that's just off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Russoguru on February 07, 2019, 10:32:59 AM
During the early 2000's I was going through my classic film phase, and in that time I watched a lot of classic films, especially from the 70's.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Pak-Man on February 07, 2019, 10:54:27 AM
The '70s is also very much not my decade, but I just typed "Best movies of the '70s" into google and browsed the carousel. Add in a few animated movies and I think I can scrape together a pretty decent list.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: George-2.0 on February 07, 2019, 12:43:10 PM
I'm not hosting it, but the 70s?

Heck, looking at Germany's resurgence with Fassbinder, Herzog, Wenders - or the new American masters that hit the scene (Scorsese, Coppola, Ashby, Rafelson, Bogdanovich, Altman, Allen, Malick... oh and that Spielberg guy).  And around the globe there was Saura, Bunuel, Satyajit Ray, Bertolucci, Tarkovsky, Bergman... and Fellini still had some juice.

Pop culture wise you got everything from Bruce Lee to Mel Brooks.

I wouldn't be hard pressed to gather 25, I'd likely be crying over the bunch I'd have to cut.


Edit - just looked at Letterboxd, and I have 26 features and miniseries graded 5-stars from the 70s (and then I looked at those I marked as watched but haven't graded yet, and found a bunch I liked, such as seals... er, I mean Picnic at Hanging Rock and the Godfather, to name 2)

So yeah, if it won I'd be set.

Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: stethacantus on February 07, 2019, 01:30:34 PM
I knew the 70s topic would win the poll the second I saw it posted. I have about 100 possible films I would add to my 25 list, but can't complete a list until I know the following qualifications:

Is it going to be every film that's date begins with 197, which would be 1970-1979. Or the proper decade, which would be from 1971-1980 allowing films from 1980 but disqualifying all films made in 1970?

Do made for television movies count? And if so, are we going to do that thing again where miniseries counts as a movie?
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: linszoid on February 07, 2019, 03:13:40 PM
I'm not hosting it, but the 70s?

Heck, looking at Germany's resurgence with Fassbinder, Herzog, Wenders - or the new American masters that hit the scene (Scorsese, Coppola, Ashby, Rafelson, Bogdanovich, Altman, Allen, Malick... oh and that Spielberg guy).  And around the globe there was Saura, Bunuel, Satyajit Ray, Bertolucci, Tarkovsky, Bergman... and Fellini still had some juice.

Pop culture wise you got everything from Bruce Lee to Mel Brooks.

I wouldn't be hard pressed to gather 25, I'd likely be crying over the bunch I'd have to cut.


Edit - just looked at Letterboxd, and I have 26 features and miniseries graded 5-stars from the 70s (and then I looked at those I marked as watched but haven't graded yet, and found a bunch I liked, such as seals... er, I mean Picnic at Hanging Rock and the Godfather, to name 2)

So yeah, if it won I'd be set.

Roger Corman also produced 59 movies in the 70s
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: linszoid on February 07, 2019, 03:16:21 PM
By the way, which 70s are we all voting for?

https://www.youtube.com/v/BE9fN79Q0-Y
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Johnny Unusual on February 07, 2019, 04:15:39 PM

Do made for television movies count? And if so, are we going to do that thing again where miniseries counts as a movie?

I'm going to give a polite no to mini-series but yes to TV movies.  How else will this make it to #1?

https://www.youtube.com/v/5SFinXW0Mr0
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 07, 2019, 06:02:51 PM
I have no interest in games and F&V is a re-do that doesn't need to be done. But the other 3 are fine. I'm torn between 2, so I'll think on it a spell before voting

Wait, fruit and veg has already been done?

Have they introduced many new fruit and veg between that list and now?
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Pak-Man on February 07, 2019, 06:57:07 PM
It was LoC #7. And not many new Fruits & Vegetables, but the membership around here has changed drastically in the last 12 years. I think me, Johnny Unusual, and RVR are the only members still active from back then.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: George-2.0 on February 07, 2019, 10:20:59 PM
I wasn't voting on LOCs back then, but fruits and veggies still holds no interest for me.

@ Johnny - No 70s miniseries? Damn, that means no World on a Wire (a 2-parter, that I've never watched in two nights. It did play theatrically at some point as a single film, but its original showing was on TV over 2 nights). Still, I'd have plenty tp chose from, so no biggie,

@ linzoid - But did Roger Corman make any worthwhile movies in the 70s? Maybe he did, but most of his best IMHO came from the 60s... the Intruder and most especially The Masque of the Red Death. I always kind of wince when I see comments by Mary Jo (in the episode guide) or Mike, etc calling Corman a terrible director. Yeah I know you were on the receiving end of his worst... but give the man a decent budget and 5 week shooting schedule (as he had with Masque) and Corman proved he could put something truly wonderful on the big screen..
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Darth Geek on February 08, 2019, 08:13:27 AM

@ linzoid - But did Roger Corman make any worthwhile movies in the 70s? Maybe he did, but most of his best IMHO came from the 60s... the Intruder and most especially The Masque of the Red Death. I always kind of wince when I see comments by Mary Jo (in the episode guide) or Mike, etc calling Corman a terrible director. Yeah I know you were on the receiving end of his worst... but give the man a decent budget and 5 week shooting schedule (as he had with Masque) and Corman proved he could put something truly wonderful on the big screen..
Roger Corman is the producer on his films! It's his damn fault he doesn't have the budget and time to film it properly. And the fact that he directed a few good movies in the Poe adaptations then went right back to directing shit means that HE LEARNED NOTHING about how to make a good movie! It proves that those are the exceptions, not the rule.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Darth Geek on February 08, 2019, 08:18:46 AM
It was LoC #7. And not many new Fruits & Vegetables, but the membership around here has changed drastically in the last 12 years. I think me, Johnny Unusual, and RVR are the only members still active from back then.
I had joined right before that one, but I wasn't contributing to the LoC yet.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Cleat on February 08, 2019, 12:03:31 PM
Biographical films AKA biopics would be much more fulfilling than 70s movies. Vote for it now.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 08, 2019, 03:20:49 PM
Biopics are pretty much the worst genre of movie.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Russoguru on February 08, 2019, 05:48:24 PM
Biopics are pretty much the worst genre of movie.
I can't even think of one biopic I liked except for maybe the recent Bohemian Rhapsody... if that qualifies as a biopic.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: George-2.0 on February 08, 2019, 09:52:30 PM

@ linzoid - But did Roger Corman make any worthwhile movies in the 70s? Maybe he did, but most of his best IMHO came from the 60s... the Intruder and most especially The Masque of the Red Death. I always kind of wince when I see comments by Mary Jo (in the episode guide) or Mike, etc calling Corman a terrible director. Yeah I know you were on the receiving end of his worst... but give the man a decent budget and 5 week shooting schedule (as he had with Masque) and Corman proved he could put something truly wonderful on the big screen..
Roger Corman is the producer on his films! It's his damn fault he doesn't have the budget and time to film it properly. And the fact that he directed a few good movies in the Poe adaptations then went right back to directing shit means that HE LEARNED NOTHING about how to make a good movie! It proves that those are the exceptions, not the rule.

Yeah it's his fault, but that doesn't change the fact that he could direct good movies. The problem was it always came back to money.

He wanted to do an important film (The Intruder) but what he talks about, when speaks of that film was that it didn't make a profit. And so that was it for making pictures like that.  Producer Corman took precedence over creative Corman.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Johnny Unusual on February 09, 2019, 05:41:11 AM
Biopics are pretty much the worst genre of movie.

I hesitate to mark any genre as inherently "worst" (unless it is a genre with a specifically harmful message or purpose, like "propaganda").  But the thing is, biopics often swing in the direction of "pander-y" or, in trying to be warts and all, basically just show you the worst of someone and miss the context of why they were an interesting figure in the first place.  I remember watching "Walk the Line" a few years ago and that it was a movie that people liked but I was shocked at how cheesy it was and found the biopic parody "Walk Hard" much more emotionally engaging, despite the fact that it is absolutely ridiculous.  But there are some good ones.  The Social Network, Persepolis, The Elephant Man, The Wolf of Wall Street, Hidden Figures (probably the most conventional of these films on my list, but I still like it), Moneyball, Goodfellas.  I try not to take how accurate they are into account (because often the answer is a wild "not even close), though, in considering whether they are good movies.  Of course, that view might change if they remove or whitewash an element of the story in a way that I feel alters things in a fashion I find unacceptable.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: PsychoGoatee on February 09, 2019, 09:34:49 AM
While we're talking about various art/entertainment things, Johnny I asked you about some Morrison comics in the TV thread a bit ago, I'm still curious about that. You said his stuff has touched on "positivity vs. negativity", which comics are those? That sounds interesting to me, so I'd be interested in checking that out.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Johnny Unusual on February 10, 2019, 07:01:24 AM
The Invisibles.  There is a lot of that to get through though.  The Filth might be up your ally.  It's weird, gross and darkly funny but it is also an examination of going through depression and heavy negativity before coming out on the other side.

I also feel that's a lot in his superhero books.  Villains aren't just evil, they are often a kind of destructively nihilistic, pessimistic and/or cynical evil that just wants to drags things down with them and the heroes need to overcome them to create a better world.  There are certainly exceptions, where he just wants a fun anti-hero like Sebastian O or where things are much more murky, such as Mystery Play, but if that's a theme you want to see, it definitely comes up a lot in his superhero stuff (All-Star Superman in particular is a high-light and is my ideal take on Superman).
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 10, 2019, 03:24:05 PM
Biopics are pretty much the worst genre of movie.

I hesitate to mark any genre as inherently "worst" (unless it is a genre with a specifically harmful message or purpose, like "propaganda").  But the thing is, biopics often swing in the direction of "pander-y" or, in trying to be warts and all, basically just show you the worst of someone and miss the context of why they were an interesting figure in the first place.  I remember watching "Walk the Line" a few years ago and that it was a movie that people liked but I was shocked at how cheesy it was and found the biopic parody "Walk Hard" much more emotionally engaging, despite the fact that it is absolutely ridiculous.  But there are some good ones.  The Social Network, Persepolis, The Elephant Man, The Wolf of Wall Street, Hidden Figures (probably the most conventional of these films on my list, but I still like it), Moneyball, Goodfellas.  I try not to take how accurate they are into account (because often the answer is a wild "not even close), though, in considering whether they are good movies.  Of course, that view might change if they remove or whitewash an element of the story in a way that I feel alters things in a fashion I find unacceptable.

There are good examples to be sure - I think any genre has good examples if you're prepared to look.

Biopics have so many hurdles to jump before they can be good though - life doesn't happen in nice three act structures that suits a movie most of the time, so it's either boring, unsatisfying or needs to be fictionalised. I get ignoring accuracy for the sake of enjoying a movie, but then, why bother calling it a biopic? When it most succeeds as a film, it fails at being a biopic.

They usually end up promoting one bias or another, like you said - often sanitising or glorifying someone who shouldn't be, or demonising someone wrongly and altering people's ideas of history.

I'm not saying I dislike all biopics, but anytime I hear a movie is a biopic, I'm far less interested or likely to see it.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: George-2.0 on February 11, 2019, 01:34:58 AM
I could do biopics, but I'm with Edward on a lot of what he said. (I dislike, for example, when they make good people into bad - especially in more modern telling's, for the hurt that causes living family members. Cinderella Man and The Imitation Game are guilty of doing this. Or even in Zulu where Henry Hook is portrayed as a prick and a drunk... which is pretty much the complete opposite of who he was)

For me, the reason to watch them is for the acting. You can get some powerful acting in these things. It's why I keep watching movies about Elizabeth, for example. Elizabeth is a great role and she's been played by great performers (I don't even mind when they take liberties at this point. I've heard/seen the story so many times, a little change-up adds some plot surprises). Or Miles Ahead - which isn't really a true bio-pic and doesn't pretend to be.  It's all about capturing the essence of the man and his music, and it gave Don Cheadle the opportunity to show off his impressive acting chops.

So anyway, if we ever do biopics  I think my 25 would be rooted in performance, then form (the look, the style).
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Russoguru on February 11, 2019, 12:57:22 PM
The 70's is a gold mine of great movies. This should be a very interesting LOC.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: linszoid on February 11, 2019, 01:23:28 PM
Well it looks like our next topic is 70s films hosted by Johnny Unusual!
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Russoguru on February 11, 2019, 03:03:48 PM
You know I've got too much time on my hands when I've already got my list ready to go before the winner is even announced.  :P
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: linszoid on February 11, 2019, 03:30:35 PM
You know I've got too much time on my hands when I've already got my list ready to go before the winner is even announced.  :P

I've got a list put together as well. I'm going to wait a week or so to see if any movies come to mind to shake up my rankings.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Charles Castle on February 11, 2019, 03:37:51 PM
The 70's is either the best or second best decade for American film (along with the 40's) - in my opinion -  so I don't think there should be any difficulty finding way too many movies to collapse down in to a list of only 25. I can't wait to hurt my own feelings making this one.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 11, 2019, 03:41:02 PM
The 70's is either the best or second best decade for American film (along with the 40's) - in my opinion -  so I don't think there should be any difficulty finding way too many movies to collapse down in to a list of only 25. I can't wait to hurt my own feelings making this one.

I have the same decades as my two favourites, although the 40s wins for me.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Charles Castle on February 11, 2019, 03:45:46 PM
I go with the 40's as well, but it is really close so I am upselling this list.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 11, 2019, 03:47:41 PM
Yeah, it's that close for me too.

For anyone that likes a nice visual way to browse and have their memory jogged:

https://letterboxd.com/tedprior/films/decade/1970s/
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 11, 2019, 03:55:44 PM
Holy cow, this is one of those lists where if you are struggling, the list should be a real treat for you, pointing you towards some of the greatest cinema of all time.

I am already getting sad at how many of my picks won't make my list, let alone the final one.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Charles Castle on February 11, 2019, 04:17:36 PM
Deep hurting!
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 11, 2019, 04:19:52 PM
It's also leading so some really weird match-ups. Do I like this better than this? How do I compare them? haha.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Johnny Unusual on February 11, 2019, 07:32:56 PM
I'll be putting up the submission thread tomorrow.  Sorry for the delay.

Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: Russoguru on February 11, 2019, 07:50:15 PM
It's also leading so some really weird match-ups. Do I like this better than this? How do I compare them? haha.
For me, the top ten are the most important, after that I might do some tweaking and adjusting here and there. For me though whats also important is finishing the list, taking one last look at it and asking myself "Can I live with these choices?" and if the answer is "Yes", then I'm all good.
Title: Re: Vote for the next LoC!!!
Post by: George-2.0 on February 11, 2019, 10:43:44 PM
The 50s, 60s and 20s are my top 3 favorite decades, but the 70s were pretty wonderful too.

I’ve decided to make mine a mix of the Letterboxd 5-star movies, and those that might not have as high a rating, but are special to me - they were movies I watched a lot in the 70s (and beyond). So now I just have to figure out what to cut, and how to order them.

Sadly, I don’t think I’ll be able to make room for Buffalo Rider.