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Title: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 11, 2019, 07:09:28 PM
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Just hearing the name Star Wars still causes John Williams Star Wars theme to play on my head. I was born in 1984 and grew up in a Star Wars loving family. We still have a VHS version of Star Wars where Han shoots first! Anyways I still have great respect for the titanic effort for George Lucas to bring his vision to the big screen. Many talented writers have added their own characters to the Star Wars universe in the decades since the first 1977 movie. Some Star Wars efforts have been loved by fans and some have been less than loved. I always liked the fact that Star Wars has been opened to individual artists unique perspective. This was pretty much the original cinematic universe that studios are trying to replicate these days.

I hope you enjoy as I list the voted on characters that populate this vast universe. I would like to thank everyone who submitted a list as you helped make this happen!

ETA: The first tie breaker is the number of lists that a character has appeared on. The second tie breaker is who had the highest ranking.

ETA2: There may be spoilers to all released Star Wars materials!!!!
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 11, 2019, 07:23:29 PM
#49a: Mission Vao


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10 points
1 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #16 Pak-Man


From wookiepedia:
Mission Vao (pronounced /'mɪʃɪn 'veo/) was a female Rutian Twi'lek who lived as a street urchin on the ecumenopolis of Taris during the Mandalorian Wars and the first half of the Jedi Civil War. She preferred speaking Galactic Basic Standard rather than her people's native language and was the closest friend of the Wookiee Zaalbar.

She joined the crew of the Ebon Hawk following her encounter with Revan and the destruction of Taris, and was a vital member of Revan's crew in the search for the Star Forge and the triumph of the Galactic Republic over the Sith Empire at the Battle of Rakata Prime. She parted ways with Revan after the defeat of Darth Malak.

My thoughts:
She was always one of my main party members in KOTOR playing the "thief" role. She was a street wise scoundrel that always livened up a party.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 11, 2019, 08:12:50 PM
#49b: Dengar

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10 points
1 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #16 RVRII

From wookiepedia:
Dengar was a Corellian bounty hunter operating since the early stages of the Clone Wars. Dengar participated in an operation on Quarzite—during which he served as a member of Krayt's Claw, a syndicate of hunters including Boba Fett, Bossk, and Asajj Ventress—to secure property valuable to Lord Otua Blank of the planet Quarzite.

Dengar remained active through the Galactic Civil War, during which he was one of several bounty hunters hired by Darth Vader to capture Han Solo, captain of the Millennium Falcon. Though Dengar ultimately lost Vader's bounty to his rival/partner Boba Fett, he was later present with Bossk and Fett in Jabba's Palace on Tatooine during Solo's rescue by Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker.

My thoughts:
Dengar was one of the menagerie of bounty hunters featured in Empire Strikes Back. I've always found his ship "Punishing One" interesting from the Xwing Miniatures games as it favored turns in one direction.

(https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/54/fe/54fe73e9-95ba-4034-b3eb-36ace58c3938/dengar.png)
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 11, 2019, 08:20:49 PM
I wonder if Dengar heard Admiral Piett's slight against bounty hunters...
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 11, 2019, 09:18:02 PM
#49c: Cassian Andor


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10 points
1 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #16 Johnny Unusual


From wookiepedia:
Cassian Jeron Andor, also known by the aliases Willix, Aach, Joreth Sward, and the title Fulcrum, was a human male soldier, pilot and Intelligence officer who served in the Confederacy of Independent Systems during the Clone Wars and then the Alliance to Restore the Republic during Operation Fracture and the Galactic Civil War. Andor joined a Rebel mission to steal the plans of the Death Star, a superweapon built by the Galactic Empire. Although the mission was a success, Andor perished along with the rest of Rogue One.

My thoughts:
This character was definitely a view of modern sensibility on the whole rebellion aspect in the galactic civil war. Upon being idealistic he had to take actions that were far under the Lawful Good ideal we treated heroes previously. He gave a hardened war weariness to the franchise.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 11, 2019, 09:21:32 PM
I wonder if Dengar heard Admiral Piett's slight against bounty hunters...

Fun Fact:

The actor who played Admiral Piett also played Jesus Christ in the Monty Python's Life of Brian!
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 11, 2019, 09:49:27 PM
Wow. the ties start at #16. That either means everyone's lists were extremely different, or everyone had a lot of agreement in their top 15 or so. Either way, this should be an interesting list.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 11, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
So I'm going to play some more Tie Fighter. More entries will be released tomorrow. Seriously though that is the greatest Star Wars game released, at least in my opinion.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 11, 2019, 11:21:26 PM
Try playing Empire at War some time.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 12, 2019, 05:13:28 AM
Fun fact, in one of the previously canonical stories, Boba Fett was best man at Pigma Dengar's wedding.  I really hope they wear tuxes in the Star Wars universe.

Andor wasn't super high on my list, but I like how Rogue One remained a really fun movie despite showing the darkness war brings out in people.  It really dealt with the darker aspects of living through a star war without it being a slog.  Hear that, most of the DC movies?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 12, 2019, 09:25:04 AM
#49d: Admiral Raddus

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10 points
1 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #16 CJones


From wookiepedia:
Raddus was a male Mon Calamari admiral who served in the Alliance to Restore the Republic up to and during the Galactic Civil War. He commanded his personal MC75 star cruiser, Profundity, which led the space assault on Imperial Naval forces during the Battle of Scarif. His flagship was disabled by the Devastator and then boarded by Darth Vader and his forces in an attempt to retrieve the Death Star plans, which had been transmitted from Scarif's surface by Rogue One. Though Raddus perished and his flagship was destroyed, his sacrifice and that of the other rebels allowed the plans to escape and were ultimately used to destroy the Death Star. Many years after Raddus' death, the name of the esteemed admiral was used by the Resistance for their own flagship.

My thoughts:
Rogue One's very own version of another famous Star Wars Admiral. I don't have much of an opinion on him other than to say he filled his role in the movie well. I do think it was a nice touch that they named the fleeing ship in The Last Jedi after him. Now if only something named Raddus could survive the end of a film!

"I say we fight!"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 12, 2019, 09:28:06 AM
Try playing Empire at War some time.

I'm a fan of that game as well. I tend to play through the campaign every year or so.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 12, 2019, 10:26:28 AM
So it begins! How did I forget Dengar, that mummy-looking legend (Mega64 had a funny video about him). Gotta love Dengar.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 12, 2019, 11:20:04 AM
I was determined when making my list that no prequel characters would appear on my list.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 12, 2019, 03:42:11 PM
#48: IG-88

(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/ig_88_cdd5cc52.jpeg?region=0%2C95%2C2453%2C1375&width=960)


10 points
2 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #17 Pak-Man


From wookiepedia:
IG-88, also known as IG-88B, or as a Phlutdroid, was a rogue, deadly masculine IG-series assassin droid manufactured by Holowan Laboratories who worked as a bounty hunter. Following the Battle of Hoth, he and several other bounty hunters were summoned by Darth Vader to the Executor and hired to track down the Millennium Falcon and her Rebel crew. Unable to track his quarry, IG-88 trailed his chief rival, Boba Fett, to Bespin, where the bounty hunter nearly destroyed the assassin droid, however IG-88 managed to survive. At some point IG-88 undertook a software infiltration into Death Star II, but his plan was single-handedly thwarted by R2-Q5. The droid later met with mercenary Bazine Netal to speak about the location of the Millennium Falcon.

My thoughts:
Bounty Hunters are often popular characters in SW universe as aare droids. Combine the two and you get the super popular droid bounty hunter IG-88! Killer droid technology must've come a long way since the clone wars. Can you imagine if the confederacy used armies of IG-88s instead of those fragile battle droids?

Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 12, 2019, 03:44:15 PM
Bounty hunters in space are always cool. Cowboy Bebop being my fav thing focusing on that there.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 12, 2019, 04:09:45 PM
Fun fact! Look carefully in the background of Mos Eisley, and you'll see IG-88's first appearance as a different prop!

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9h7Maxl0IdI/VAO5k1BaaZI/AAAAAAAAaHw/Ga9uGlSE2u0/s1600/ig88-made-from-mos-eisley-cantina.JPG)
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 12, 2019, 07:30:47 PM
And IG-88's rampage in the book "Tales of the Bounty hunters" is if nothing else.. uh... memorable?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 13, 2019, 06:53:51 AM
Fun fact! Look carefully in the background of Mos Eisley, and you'll see IG-88's first appearance as a different prop!

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9h7Maxl0IdI/VAO5k1BaaZI/AAAAAAAAaHw/Ga9uGlSE2u0/s1600/ig88-made-from-mos-eisley-cantina.JPG)

"No droid!  Or do you want them to end up like these ones behind the bar?"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 13, 2019, 12:01:24 PM
Now I know where all the other IG droids came from.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 13, 2019, 12:27:26 PM
#47: Mace Windu

(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/Mace-Windu_b35242e5.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1637%2C921&width=960)


10 points
3 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #22 stethacantus and Charles Castle

From wookiepedia:
Mace Windu, a Force-sensitive human male, was a revered Jedi Master and member of the Jedi High Council during the last years of the Galactic Republic. During his time in the Jedi Order, he once served as elected leader of the Jedi and, during the Clone Wars, as a Jedi General in the Grand Army of the Republic. He was the greatest champion of the Jedi Order and promoted its ancient traditions amidst the growing influence of the dark side of the Force in the corrupt, declining days of the Republic.

When the Separatist Crisis spawned the birth of the Confederacy of Independent Systems and sparked the Clone Wars, Windu and the Jedi rallied to the defense of the Republic and became the leaders of the Grand Army of the Republic. Throughout the war, Windu served the Jedi and the Republic in various capacities—on the battlefield in command of the clone army, on Coruscant as an overseer of the war effort and an advisor to Supreme Chancellor Sheev Palpatine, and even as a diplomat to contested worlds, despite his disdain of politics. His exploits on the frontline served as a reminder of his reputation as a renowned Jedi warrior.

As the war drew to a close, Windu became increasingly suspicious of the chancellor's motives, as Palpatine had amassed near-dictatorial control over the Galactic Senate, and sensed the rising power of the dark side in the galaxy. His suspicions were confirmed when Anakin Skywalker, a Jedi Knight and the Chosen One of ancient prophecy, discovered that Palpatine was Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith who manipulated the Republic and the Separatist Alliance into war. Windu, along with Jedi Masters Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, and Saesee Tiin, confronted Palpatine with the intention of arresting him. Instead, the Dark Lord attacked them, striking them down one by one until only Windu was left. Windu bested Palpatine in the confrontation and—deciding the chancellor was too dangerous to be left alive due to his influence over the government—prepared to strike him down, but the intervention of Anakin Skywalker, who saved the chancellor's life, led to Windu's death. As a result, Skywalker fell to the temptation of the dark side and was renamed Darth Vader.

My thoughts:
Everyone's favorite no nonsense Jedi Master. Getting Sam Jackson in the role was a casting coup. I wished he could've gotten a bit more character development. However thanks to Jackson's demands he does have an awesome purple lightsaber (so Jackson could easier pick himself out in the action scenes).

"I have had it with these MFing Sith on this MFing planet!!"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 13, 2019, 12:51:38 PM
A great man.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 13, 2019, 03:32:03 PM
Samuel Jackson actually asked to be in The Phantom Menace (without seeing the script), simply because it was Star Wars.

He regretted it, and he told Lucas that he had to have a really cool death scene in Revenge of the Sith, or he was walking out. 
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Charles Castle on January 13, 2019, 05:04:35 PM
I like Mace Windu well enough in the films, but my vote is primarily based on the novel Shatterpoint, which is my favorite Clone Wars novel by a pretty large margin, in which he is the feature character.

Check it out, if you are so inclined.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 13, 2019, 05:15:40 PM
The only reason I kind of like Mace Windu is that he wanted to kill Palpatine during their confrontation(which adds a fairly interesting dynamic to his character).
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 13, 2019, 05:55:23 PM
#46: Captain Pellaeon

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11 points
1 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #15 Charles Castle


From wookiepedia:
Gilad Pellaeon, nicknamed Gil, was a dedicated Human male naval officer, serving for seven decades in the fleets of the Galactic Republic, Galactic Empire, Imperial Remnant, and Galactic Alliance, and rose to the position of supreme commander for the latter two governments. He began his career in the Republic's Judicial Forces, where he ascended the ranks and captained the assault ship Leveler during the Clone Wars. Pellaeon developed a strong attachment to the navy as an institution, and when the Republic became the Empire, he continued serving aboard the Star Destroyer Chimaera.

At the Battle of Endor, the Chimaera fell under Pellaeon's command, and he issued the retreat order. Captain Pellaeon remained one of the fleet's more prominent officers until the return of Grand Admiral Thrawn, who selected the Chimaera as his flagship and made Pellaeon his right-hand man. Pellaeon grew to respect and admire Thrawn throughout the Grand Admiral's campaign against the New Republic, but when Thrawn was assassinated at the Battle of Bilbringi, Pellaeon again was forced to call a retreat. After Thrawn's death and the failed return of Palpatine, the Empire crumbled around Pellaeon. He found himself serving as the second-in-command of the warlord Treuten Teradoc, but when Admiral Natasi Daala shared with him her vision of rebuilding the Empire and ending warlordism, he defected to her and played a key role in forming the Imperial Remnant.

Upon Daala's defeat at Yavin 4, she turned command of the Remnant over to Admiral Pellaeon, making him Supreme Commander of the Imperial Fleet. He rebuilt the fleet and fought a series of campaigns against the New Republic, but was frequently driven back as the Remnant's resources shriveled. In 19 ABY, He finally accepted that the only way for the Empire to survive was through a peace treaty, and forced the Council of Moffs to accept a truce with the New Republic. When the Imperial capital fell to the extragalactic Yuuzhan Vong invaders years later, Pellaeon played on the Imperial fleet's absolute loyalty to him to overcome the old-line Moffs' resistance and join the newly formed Galactic Alliance, leading a series of victories over the Yuuzhan Vong.

At the war's close, Pellaeon retired, but returned to serve as the supreme commander of the Galactic Alliance Defense Force when his predecessor Sien Sovv was killed. In that capacity, Pellaeon led the Galactic Alliance through the Swarm War and the early stages of the Second Galactic Civil War before once more retiring. He returned to service as the head of state of the Imperial Remnant, but died in 41 ABY at Fondor, assassinated by Tahiri Veila when he refused to support Darth Caedus's faction of the Galactic Alliance.

My thoughts:
I was always more into the movies and video games than I was the novels. But judging by the size of the wookiepedia article this must've been an important character. I remember hearing his name time from time to time starting with the Thrawn trilogy. He was a character in Star Wars: Rebellion and also several pc game mods have also included him.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 13, 2019, 06:23:49 PM
I'm sorry to have to bring this up but I just can't ignore it... how did he get that many points being #46 on only one person's List?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 13, 2019, 06:31:36 PM
I'm sorry to have to bring this up but I just can't ignore it... how did he get that many points being #46 on only one person's List?

Midichlorians?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 13, 2019, 08:01:16 PM
Has there ever been a list before with numbers this low at the start? 

It should be interesting to see where the points start to ramp up, top 20, top 10?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 13, 2019, 09:00:40 PM
Possible Spoiler-I'm pretty sure my number one probably did not end up as #1 on everybody else's list...
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 13, 2019, 09:13:49 PM
 I forgot Mace Windu on my big list, don't know how that happened.  He probably would have been near the bottom of my list so if I had remembered it would have only given him a couple more points.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 14, 2019, 09:09:51 AM
#45: Ahsoka Tano

(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/ahsoka-tano-rebelss3_a020c09e.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1560%2C878&width=960)


12 points
1 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #14 Pak-Man

From wookiepedia:

Ahsoka Tano, nicknamed "Snips" by her Master and known as "Ashla" after the Clone Wars, was a Jedi Padawan who, after the conflict, helped establish a network of various rebel cells against the Galactic Empire. A Togruta female, Tano was discovered on her homeworld of Shili by Jedi Master Plo Koon, who brought her to the Jedi Temple on Coruscant to receive Jedi training. Following the outbreak of the Clone Wars, Jedi Grand Master Yoda assigned the young Tano to be the Padawan learner of Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, whom she joined at the Battle of Christophsis. Whereas Tano was eager to prove herself, Skywalker had a reputation for recklessness, and they had a rather difficult start as Master and apprentice. Yet, they worked together to rescue Rotta, the son of crime lord Jabba Desilijic Tiure, and returned Rotta to his father, thus facilitating a crucial alliance between the Hutt Clan and the Galactic Republic.

As a commander in the Grand Army of the Republic, Tano found a mentor in Clone Captain Rex of the 501st Legion, with whom she and Skywalker collaborated to lead frontline campaigns against the Confederacy of Independent Systems. In her first command position at the Battle of Ryloth, Tano disobeyed orders and lost her entire squadron of pilots, but she managed to rebound and helped secure a victory at Ryloth. Her assignments pitted her against a variety of opponents, from General Grievous and Sith apprentice Asajj Ventress to bounty hunters such as Cad Bane and Aurra Sing. Over time, she matured into a respected leader, contributing to key Republic victories like the Second Battle of Geonosis and the Battle of Mon Cala. She even died during a series of events on Mortis, but the Force wielder known as the Daughter sacrificed herself to bring Tano back to life.

Tano gained much experience on and beyond the war front, leading a group of Jedi younglings to revolt against their Trandoshan captors, helping rescue a colony of Togruta from enslavement by the Zygerrian Slave Empire, and serving as an advisor to the Onderon rebels—with her close friend, Lux Bonteri, among them—as they liberated their world from the Confederacy. In a stark turn of events, Tano was framed for the bombing of the Jedi Temple hangar and other homicides, and she escaped into the Coruscant underworld to clear her name. Though she formed an unlikely alliance with Asajj Ventress, she was detained by Republic forces and was consequently barred from the Jedi Order. Ultimately, Skywalker uncovered the true culprit, Tano's friend and fellow Padawan Barriss Offee, and prevented his former apprentice from being convicted of sedition. Nevertheless, the ordeal dislodged Tano's faith in the Jedi. She refused the Jedi Council's offer to rejoin the Order, instead departing in search of a new path.

After the Galactic Empire came to power, Tano went into hiding on Thabeska and Raada. Following the evacuation of Raada, Tano joined Senator Bail Organa's growing rebel movement. She became the manager of his intelligence network and adopted the codename "Fulcrum." As Fulcrum, Tano provided intelligence to various rebel factions including Hera Syndulla's Spectres rebel cell. Tano took a particular interest in Syndulla's rebels because one of their members, a former Jedi named Kanan Jarrus, had begun to train his own Padawan, Ezra Bridger. In addition, Tano's efforts against the Empire brought her into contact with Skywalker, who by then had become the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Vader, as well as the Imperial Inquisitors known as the Fifth Brother and the Seventh Sister. Following the mission to Malachor, Tano became lost to the rubble and shadows of the Sith temple and was believed by many including Jarrus and Bridger to have perished during a duel with Darth Vader.

However, Tano was unexpectedly saved from Vader's wrath by a future Ezra Bridger, who pulled her through a time portal into the world between worlds, a dimension of the Force connecting all time and space. After a confrontation with Darth Sidious, who desired access to the dimension, Tano returned to her time, promising Bridger that she would find him once she returned. After the end of the Galactic Civil War, Tano returned to a freed Lothal and joined Sabine Wren in her quest to find a missing Bridger, who had disappeared during the liberation of Lothal.

My thoughts:
I need to catch up on my cartoons someday as I pretty much have no idea who this character is. The Clone Wars and Rebels often seem to get rave reviews. Does anyone know if adults will find them entertaining or are they just for the younger crowd?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 14, 2019, 10:36:58 AM
I seriously considered putting her on my list, especially considering how few women there are in SW (and only two I actually like), but I just haven't seen enough of Clone Wars to justify it.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 14, 2019, 11:07:46 AM
Clone Wars has a shaky first season, but the writing got really good really fast. It is able to be appreciated by adults for sure. I only caught the first season of rebels, and it's a little bit more kid-friendly, but there was potential and I plan to watch it all someday.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 14, 2019, 11:28:25 AM
I don't know why but the idea of a Star Wars TV show(Animated or not) just doesn't work for me. I'll for sure try to watch The Mandalorian but not sure I'll be able to keep up with it.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 14, 2019, 02:54:38 PM
I forgot Mace Windu on my big list, don't know how that happened.  He probably would have been near the bottom of my list so if I had remembered it would have only given him a couple more points.

Yeah I find that happened a lot too. I made my list then watched some of the movies. Turns out I missed a lot of characters I would've otherwise considered.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 14, 2019, 03:03:44 PM
I forgot Mace Windu on my big list, don't know how that happened.  He probably would have been near the bottom of my list so if I had remembered it would have only given him a couple more points.

Yeah I find that happened a lot too. I made my list then watched some of the movies. Turns out I missed a lot of characters I would've otherwise considered.

That's par for the course. I expect everyone who has been involved in a LoC eventually thinks: Why didn't I think of that?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 14, 2019, 03:18:55 PM
#44:  Pateesa (The Rancor)

(https://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2013/08/2013-08-28-ralph_mcquarrie_jedi_rancor.jpg)


13 points
1 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #13 RVR-II


From wookiepedia:
Rancors were large semi-sentient reptilian carnivores native to the planet Dathomir.[8] Standing around five meters tall, with their long arms, immense jaws, and armored hides that could withstand blaster fire, they were formidable predators. Despite this, the creatures were inherently benign and were even domesticated by the Witches of Dathomir, but could be provoked over time into a violent nature. A subspecies known as the jungle rancor populated the planet Felucia. The proper term of venery for rancors in Galactic Basic was a crash of rancors.

A rancor, named Pateesa, was kept as a pet by Jabba the Hutt in a pit below his palace court, to which he fed any who displeased him. The beast was killed by Luke Skywalker, after which its human handler could be seen mourning its death.


My thoughts:
I didn't even know the rancor in Return of the Jedi had a name until I looked it up for this post. However the Rancor is basically the face of big monsters in the Star Wars universe. It also seems to be required that they be featured as a boss in pretty much any game.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 14, 2019, 04:44:11 PM
Pound for pound, one of the top contenders on the list.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 14, 2019, 05:13:51 PM
The Rancor had a name? Seriously? Next you're going to tell me the Rancor Handler had a name.

<Quick Google search>

Oh come on, are you kidding me!?  :speechless:    It was Malakili BTW
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 14, 2019, 06:56:54 PM
That's probably the only thing I don't like about Return of the Jedi is the Rancor handlers weeping over it's demise. I mean FFS it's a goddamn Rancor, not a 2 week old kitten!!!!
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 14, 2019, 07:05:23 PM
That's probably the only thing I don't like about Return of the Jedi is the Rancor handlers weeping over it's demise. I mean FFS it's a goddamn Rancor, not a 2 week old kitten!!!!

I kind of have to disagree with you. It's little touches like that scene that helps make Star Wars what it is.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 14, 2019, 09:15:06 PM
Read Tales from Jabba's Palace if you want the EU justification for the Rancor mourning. That was my favorite "Tales" book.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 14, 2019, 09:18:41 PM
I kind of have to disagree with you. It's little touches like that scene that helps make Star Wars what it is.
You really think so? I always thought it was very awkward and very out of place. Seeing that part always makes me cringe, just a little bit.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 15, 2019, 09:22:54 AM
I like that moment myself, but since it's played for comedy a little bit in tone, I can see why you find it cringy. It's definitely campy, but I like that. It's certainly a unique moment.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 15, 2019, 10:07:38 AM
#43: Darth Maul

(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/Darth-Maul_632eb5af.jpeg?region=75%2C42%2C1525%2C858&width=960)


13 points
2 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #14 stethacantus

From wookiepedia
:
Darth Maul was a male Dathomirian Zabrak Dark Lord of the Sith who lived during the waning years of the Galactic Republic. Originally a Dathomiri Nightbrother born on Iridonia and known only as Maul, the infant Maul was given by his Nightsister mother to the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, who trained him in the ways of the dark side of the Force as his secret apprentice on a secret Mustafar training facility, along with the help of a split personality droid. Maul became a master of lightsaber combat and Teräs Käsi, wielding a red-bladed saberstaff against any adversary. Though well trained in the ways of the Sith and a Sith assassin rather than a full apprentice, Maul was technically a violation of the Rule of Two because his own Master was at the time apprenticed to another, the Muun Sith Lord Darth Plagueis. Plagueis, however, was fully aware of Maul's existence, and supported Sidious's decision to train him. The primary reason for Plagueis's support, despite the violation of the Rule of Two, was that Maul was trained to be expendable. As an assassin, he could perform high priority, boots-on-the-ground missions for the Sith without running the risk of exposing either Plagueis or Sidious should he fail.

In 33 BBY, Sidious gave Maul his first mission: to put the criminal organization Black Sun in disarray. Maul carried out this task perfectly, dealing the group a grievous blow. Maul played an instrumental role in the invasion of the planet Naboo in 32 BBY. The crisis was engineered by Darth Sidious, who lived a double life as Senator Palpatine of Naboo, to have Supreme Chancellor Finis Valorum removed from office, allowing Sidious to take his place and set the stages for a government ruled by the Sith. After Padmé Amidala, queen of the Naboo, escaped the blockade, Maul was dispatched to follow her. He found her on Tatooine, where he had a short but intense duel with Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn, revealing the existence of the Order of the Sith Lords to the Jedi, who had thought the Sith extinct. Later, Maul was sent to Naboo, where he fought Jinn and his apprentice, Obi-Wan Kenobi. Though he killed the Jedi Master, Maul underestimated Kenobi’s skill and was severed in half at the waist by the Padawan. Sidious would quickly replace Maul with another powerful apprentice: the late Jinn's former Master, Dooku, who had fallen to the dark side, and whom Sidious dubbed Darth Tyranus.

Through his intense rage, Maul was able to survive and escape to the junk fields Lotho Minor, where he spent the next twelve years of his life with little to no memory of his former self. Maul kept himself mobile by manifesting a spider-like lower half, feeding off of rodents while his mental equilibrium slowly became undone. Although Darth Sidious and the Jedi Order were unaware of Maul's continued existence, the Nightsister Mother Talzin continued to keep an eye on Maul. In 20 BBY, three years into the Clone Wars, Talzin sent Maul's brother, Savage Opress, the ousted apprentice of Maul's Sith successor, on a quest to find the fractured man who dwelled in the depths of Lotho Minor. Savage successfully brought his brother back to Dathomir to undergo physical and mental reconstitution by Talzin's dark magic. Rehabilitated mentally and physically through prosthetic legs, Maul swore to reestablish his place in galactic history, starting with taking vengeance on Kenobi. Maul and Opress caught the attention of the Jedi Order by slaughtering innocents on the planet Raydonia in a successful attempt to lure Kenobi out. Maul tortured Kenobi, though the arrival of an unexpected ally, the Nightsister Asajj Ventress, gave Kenobi the time he needed to escape.

Maul and Opress soon cut a bloody swath across the Outer Rim, catching the attention of the Republic and the Jedi. On one occasion, Maul rallied the Moorjhoni clans against the Rim Mining Company. Maul and his brother then unsuccessfully tried to recruit a group of Weequay pirates from the Ohnaka Gang to their cause, a plan which was thwarted and nearly ended in the Nightbrothers' deaths following the arrival of Kenobi. Maul and his brother were found by the Mandalorian Death Watch leader Pre Vizsla and his lieutenant Bo-Katan. The two conspired to conquer Mandalore and establish a criminal empire, enlisting the aid of the Hutt Cartel, Black Sun and the Pyke Syndicate. When the New Mandalorian state on Mandalore was conquered by the new Shadow Collective, Vizsla imprisoned Maul and Opress, no longer having any use for them. Maul retaliated by dueling and finally decapitated Vizsla, declaring himself ruler of the Death Watch. Maul finished his revenge on Kenobi by killing his former lover, ousted Mandalorian Duchess Satine Kryze. However, his actions drew the attention of his former master, Darth Sidious, who killed Opress and kidnapped Maul for his own purposes.

Some time later, Maul had died, only to be resurrected in 0 BBY by three Prophets of the Dark Side for the purpose of presenting a worthier successor to Darth Sidious than his current apprentice, Darth Vader. A showdown was staged on Kalakar Six, and the two Sith Lords fought to see who would rule the galaxy alongside the Emperor. Maul came close to victory, only to be slain by Vader, whose destiny was not yet fulfilled.


My thoughts:
The Zabrak that brought us the joy of double bladed lightsabers. I wish they gave us more information about him in Episode 1 but he works well as a shadowy Sith assassin figure. Probably also acted as a metaphor for the Sith as a whole in the movie as a shadowy organization. This is also a character that takes a different path depending if you go by the canon or legends material. It can be kind of confusing.

Rifftrax does bring up a good point though. If the rest of his race looks like devils then it must be hard for them to break into certain professions. Would you buy real estate from a Zabrak? Would you trust one as a youth pastor?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 15, 2019, 11:00:37 AM
I wish Darth Maul had more than 2 or 3 lines. Such wasted potential. Also, do not get me started on his appearance in Solo. The guy got chopped in half and fell down a "bottomless" pit. No way in hell he survived that. You just couldn't let the guy die with some dignity?

Fun Fact: The guy who played Darth Maul, Ray Park, also played Toad in X-Men. Gotta hand it to him, the guy's versatile.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: The Lurker on January 15, 2019, 11:08:40 AM
I wish Darth Maul had more than 2 or 3 lines. Such wasted potential. Also, do not get me started on his appearance in Solo. The guy got chopped in half and fell down a "bottomless" pit. No way in hell he survived that. You just couldn't let the guy die with some dignity?

Fun Fact: The guy who played Darth Maul, Ray Park, also played Toad in X-Men. Gotta hand it to him, the guy's versatile.
Granted that's not the first time that's happened.  He popped up in Rebels like that and came back in an EU novel set just before Episode IV.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 15, 2019, 05:36:13 PM
#42: Wicket W Warrick

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/headhuntersholosuite/images/d/d8/Wicket_W._Warrick.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180518123750)


13 points
4 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #21 Johnny Unusual and Charles Castle

From wookiepedia:

Wicket Wystri Warrick was a male Ewok scout, warrior and later Chief of Bright Tree Village on the forest moon of Endor. The great-grandson of Erpham Warrick, Wicket was the third son of Deej and Shodu Warrick, following Weechee and Willy and was the older brother of Winda.

Wicket led an adventurous life, even from a very young age. He and his friends, namely Teebo and Princess Kneesaa, continually protected their village and the surrounding forest from those who would do them harm, such as Morag the Tulgah witch, the Duloks, and other threats from Endor and beyond. He almost even inadvertently killed Emperor Palpatine while defending the sunstar during Doctor Raygar's quest for Imperial domination.

Wicket aided the Towani family when they crash-landed on Endor and later assisted Noa Briqualon in the battle against the Sanyassans. Wicket also played an instrumental role in helping the Rebel Alliance defeat the Galactic Empire during the Battle of Endor. After the death of Chief Chirpa, Wicket and his bride, Kneesaa, ruled over Bright Tree Village together.


My thoughts:
The Ewok vs Empire battle in Return of the Jedi is supposed to represent that Spirit will triumph over Technology. Personally I loved the battle but other fans didn't like the Empire being defeated by teddy bears. I think I read somewhere that the Ewoks were originally supposed to be Wookies in RotJ but Lucas cut them in half. Also someday Rifftrax needs to do the Ewok adventure movies.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 15, 2019, 07:26:20 PM
The Ewoks aren't a bad race for Star Wars. They were designed... fairly well, as opposed to the Gunguns who were very poorly designed and do not fit in with the Star Wars universe at all. I mean argue whatever theory you want but it was a classic case of trying to put a round peg into a square hole.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Darth Geek on January 15, 2019, 07:54:43 PM
The Ewoks may be annoying in how blatantly marketable and cute they are, but my biggest problem with the battle is the very idea of primitives conquering over technology in a SCIENCE fiction movie! It just doesn't work when the Ewoks are fighting alongside Han and Leia using blasters, R2-D2 and C3PO are robots, and they are aiding the Rebels who are using spaceships! And even with all of that help, the little bastards barely manage to take out Stormtroopers which have been so far shown to be incompetent.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 15, 2019, 08:33:34 PM
Well Wicket does even things out by hitting himself in the face.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 15, 2019, 09:36:01 PM
#41: Elan Sleazebaggano

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-SgZtxcx8B4/hqdefault.jpg)

14 points
1 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #12 stethacantus

From wookiepedia:

Elan Sleazebaggano was a male Balosar slythmonger who was present on Coruscant, the capital of the Galactic Republic, during the Separatist Crisis. In 22 BBY, shortly before the outbreak of the Clone Wars, Sleazebaggano was present in the Outlander Club and attempted to sell death sticks in the drinks bar to Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi, who was searching for the Clawdite bounty hunter Zam Wesell. Kenobi used a mind trick to convince Sleazebaggano that he did not want to sell the Jedi any death sticks and instead wanted to go home and rethink his life.[1] By the time Kenobi and his Padawan Anakin Skywalker were assisting Wesell at the back of the establishment, Sleazebaggano had already left the club to go home and think over.[3]


My thoughts:
Apparently a better character than Mace Windu according to the forum LOC rules. Remember we also voted the Gammera series over the Godfather movies. He was good for a joke in AotC but I don't know what else to think. Hopefully he went home and rethought his life.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 15, 2019, 09:41:12 PM
Now for a musical interlude

https://www.youtube.com/v/Vuqa5U8ZL-o
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 16, 2019, 05:44:43 AM
I have a soft spot for the Ewoks.  I get that this was a sign that the marketability of Star Wars was becoming more blatant, but I was at just the right age to embrace them, so there you go.  Also, my family had both Ewok TV movies recorded on VHS from the TV!
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: The Lurker on January 16, 2019, 05:54:28 AM
I remember reading somewhere that they were inspired by the Viet Cong.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 16, 2019, 11:45:51 AM
#41: Elan Sleazebaggano
Wow... that name is awfully subtle, am I right guys?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 16, 2019, 11:53:09 AM
Darth Sidious, Droopy McCool, and Salacious Crumb all agree.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 16, 2019, 12:12:59 PM
Darth Sidious, Droopy McCool, and Salacious Crumb all agree.

Okay, now I have to know...who the hell Droopy McCool?

And yeah, Lucas has many talents. Coming up with good character names isn't one of them.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 16, 2019, 12:40:13 PM
#40: Count Dooku

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15 points
3 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #13 PsychoGoatee

From wookiepedia:

Dooku, a Force-sensitive human male, was a Sith Lord who led the Confederacy of Independent Systems as Head of State during the Clone Wars. Although he was once a Jedi Master, Dooku left the Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic after growing disillusioned with the corruption in the government. Turning from the light he once served as a Jedi, Dooku joined the dark side of the Force and became the apprentice of Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith, taking on the name Darth Tyranus and reclaiming his title as the Count of Serenno. With his master, who was secretly Supreme Chancellor Sheev Palpatine, Dooku conspired to overthrow both the Republic and the Jedi so that the Sith could reclaim their former dominance. To this end, he oversaw a growing secessionist movement that ultimately resulted in the formation of the Confederacy of Independent Systems. In addition to rallying rebellious star systems to the Separatist cause, Dooku was involved in the creation of the clone troopers of the Grand Army of the Republic, having supplied the Kaminoans with the clone template, Jango Fett, as well as the inhibitor chip containing Clone Protocol 66. As a result of Dooku and Sidious's machinations, the galaxy became engulfed by the Clone Wars twenty-two years before the Battle of Yavin.

Count Dooku led the Confederacy's battle droid army throughout the war, turning star systems against the Republic through political maneuverings and military force. Though he was bound by the Sith Rule of Two, Dooku trained apprentices of his own, with the intention of one day succeeding his master. He first trained Asajj Ventress; later, after Sidious ordered him to dispose of Ventress, Dooku took on a second apprentice, Savage Opress. The tutelage was short-lived, as Opress had been used by Ventress as a tool of revenge against her former master. Toward the end of the war, Dooku took on a third apprentice, the fallen Jedi Quinlan Vos, with whom he plotted to overthrow his master. This apprenticeship, too, was cut short, as Vos was redeemed in the Force with the help of Asajj Ventress.

The final days of the war saw a battle over Coruscant. In a duel aboard the Separatist flagship Invisible Hand, Dooku was defeated by Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, who beheaded the helpless Dooku at Palpatine's command. Dooku was soon replaced as Palpatine's apprentice by Skywalker himself, who fell to the dark side and became Darth Vader. Despite Dooku's death, the plans he helped set into motion during the Clone Wars came to pass, with the destruction of the Jedi Order and the rise of the Galactic Empire.


My thoughts:
A fantastic gentleman villian played by the late great Christopher Lee. I thought he was very underused in the prequel trilogy. Of course Lucas does need to work on how he names his characters.

"Count Dooku, son of Lord and Lady Poopy."  - Mike Nelson
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 16, 2019, 01:04:53 PM
Darth Sidious, Droopy McCool, and Salacious Crumb all agree.

Okay, now I have to know...who the hell Droopy McCool?

And yeah, Lucas has many talents. Coming up with good character names isn't one of them.

He's the kinda-mummy looking guy from the Max Rebo band:

(http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/10/4/1/7/2897674105663500.jpg)
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 16, 2019, 03:38:30 PM
#39: Bastila Shan

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111184078/4958244-8410280112-Basti.jpg)


15 points
3 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #19 Russoguru and Linszoid

From wookiepedia:

Bastila Shan was a Human female who served as a Jedi Padawan during the Jedi Civil War. Born on the planet Talravin to Helena Shan and a treasure hunter, her mother gave her up to the Jedi Order, believing that their lifestyle of travel and exertions was not suitable for her daughter. Shan was found to have an exceptional gift with a Force power known as battle meditation; which increased her allies' morale while demoralizing her enemies. Shan sided with the Jedi Council when the Jedi Knights Revan and Malak rebelled against the Council and joined the Galactic Republic in its war against the invading Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders.

One year after the final battle of the Mandalorian Wars, Revan returned from the Unknown Regions as the new Dark Lord of the Sith, with Malak as his apprentice, at the head of a new Sith Empire. Two years into the Jedi Civil War, Shan was the leader of a Jedi strike team sent to capture Darth Revan and Darth Malak. When her team boarded Revan's vessel, they managed to corner the Dark Lord on the bridge. Before they could engage Revan in combat, Malak, who was separated from his Master during the battle, betrayed Revan by ordering the guns of his flagship Leviathan to fire on Revan's vessel in an attempt to destroy both the Jedi and Revan.

However, Shan survived and managed to use the Force to stabilize Revan, who was near death. This act created a bond between the two and Shan brought the comatose Revan to the Jedi Council. Both the Council and Shan came up with a plan and temporarily erased Revan's memories, reprogramming Revan with an identity of a soldier loyal to the Republic. The Council hoped that Shan, through her bond with Revan, would be able to coerce Revan into revealing the location of the Rakatan space station called the Star Forge, which was now under the new Dark Lord Darth Malak's control.

In the final year of the war, Shan's Republic warship Endar Spire was ambushed and attacked by Malak's fleet above the Outer Rim planet Taris. She managed to flee the ship aboard one of its escape pods, assisted by Republic commander Carth Onasi. Shortly after her pod reached the surface, Shan was captured by a swoop gang known as the Black Vulkars. After Revan and Onasi landed on Taris, they managed to track down and rescue Shan. She, Revan, and their companions teamed up with the Mandalorian Canderous Ordo, managing to steal both the launch codes necessary to escape Taris and the Exchange crime lord Davik Kang's light freighter Ebon Hawk, killing Davik and nearly doing the same to Calo Nord, who Revan, Bastila and one of their companions would later kill on Kashyyyk. Shan and her companions escaped during the Sith's bombardment of Taris, and headed to Dantooine, where a Jedi Enclave was located.

After Shan met with the Dantooine Jedi Council, they began retraining Revan in the Jedi ways. After finding a Rakatan Star Map in the burial mounds near the Enclave, the Council tasked Shan, Revan, and their companions with finding the Star Forge. During their travels, Shan watched Revan closely to ensure that he did not fall to the dark side. Shan eventually fell in love with Revan, who, despite his past, was able to remain true to the Jedi Code. After Revan found a fourth Star Map—which was necessary to locate the Star Forge—Shan was captured by Malak and fell to the dark side after a week of torture at her new Sith Master's hands.

However, Revan eventually confronted Shan aboard the Star Forge and she was redeemed from the darkness to which she had succumbed. To prove her reclaimed faith, Shan aided the Republic in the Battle of Rakata Prime through the means of her battle meditation. Revan then vanquished Malak, and the Republic fleet successfully destroyed the Star Forge, routing the Sith forces. Sometime after this, Shan and Revan married, and started a new life together. However, within the next two years, Revan left for the Unknown Regions, seeking to eliminate a hidden Sith threat that Revan had discovered during his time as the Dark Lord. He left all whom he cared for behind, including Shan due to her pregnancy, as he did not wish to put the life of their child at risk. She went on to survive the era of strife that followed the Jedi Civil War.


My thoughts:
Sometimes snobbish but with her helpful force abilities she usually found a way into my party. KotOR was such an influential RPG and is a great example of the Bioware formula.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 16, 2019, 06:37:49 PM
Now I don't consider myself a romantic or anything but I really like the ending of Knights of the Old Republic where Darth Revan and Bastila basically decide to hit it off.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 16, 2019, 07:28:14 PM
#38: Kyle Katarn

(https://i.redd.it/43rz3tba3nv01.png)


16 points
2 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #17 Russoguru

From wookiepedia:

Kyle Katarn was a famous Human male Rebel operative from Sulon and later a Jedi of the New Jedi Order. He was a former Imperial stormtrooper who defected to the Rebellion. Often paired with fellow Rebel agent and smuggler Jan Ors, he performed many covert missions for the Rebel Alliance and later the New Republic, including the sabotage of the Dark Trooper Project.

Katarn was later informed of his Force-sensitivity, and taught himself to become a Jedi while in search of the Valley of the Jedi. During this journey, he confronted the dark side within both himself and in the form of the Dark Jedi Jerec and his minions. After defeating them, Katarn went on to become a Jedi Master, teaching at the Jedi Praxeum. He participated in the offensives against the Yuuzhan Vong and became a part of the Jedi High Council in the New Jedi Order.

My thoughts:
I liked Dark Forces when it came out however some levels became a little complicated. Jedi Knight became the gold standard for a FPS until Half-Life came out. I loved the open world design and the use of Jedi Powers. The FMV were enjoyable too for a game of it's time. However the graphics and gameplay have dated the game. Personally I could not get into Jedi outcast and the sequel
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 16, 2019, 08:48:34 PM
Awesome. Yeah Kyle's like my third favorite Jedi.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 16, 2019, 11:52:49 PM
Good games! And gotta love Dooku
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Darth Geek on January 17, 2019, 06:25:51 AM
Christopher Lee does a great job adding gravitas to a silly named character that isn't written very deeply. But even he sometimes stumbles when dealing with the notoriously not actor friendly director George Lucas. Listen to his delivery when he is first coming in to the room where Obi-Wan is being held in the stasis field on Geonosis, it's awful.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 17, 2019, 08:28:00 AM
#37: Dash Rendar

(https://i1.wp.com/clubjade.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/dash-rendar.jpg?resize=525%2C386)


16 points
2 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #14 PyschoGoatee

From wookiepedia:

Dash Rendar was a Human male smuggler and freelancer. Born into a wealthy Corellian family during the final years of the Galactic Republic, he chose to pursue a career as an officer in the Imperial Navy rather than joining the family shipping business. When his parents refused to sell their business to Prince Xizor, owner of Xizor Transport Systems and leader of the Black Sun crime syndicate, the Dark Prince sabotaged a freighter flown by Rendar's older brother, Stanton, killing him as his ship crashed into the Imperial Museum.

Emperor Palpatine blamed the Rendar family, exiling them from the Core Worlds and dismissing Rendar from the Imperial Academy on Carida. Fleeing to the Outer Rim Territories, Rendar gained a reputation as a hot-shot pilot, smuggler, and mercenary. His success gained him his own ship, the YT-2400 light freighter Outrider, and the services of the Nautolan navigator Eaden Vrill and the Cybot Galactica LE-series repair droid LE-BO2D9.

In 0 BBY, Rendar and Vrill agreed to protect holostar Javul Charn during her tour to pay for repairs to the Outrider after it sustained damage fleeing an Imperial patrol near the Maw. Charn initially claimed that she needed protection from an overzealous fan, but after multiple attempts on her life, Rendar learned that she was a member of the Rebel Alliance and was being pursued by the Imperial Security Bureau and elements of Black Sun, including Xizor himself. Rendar ultimately saw Charn safely to Alderaan, but Vrill was killed during an assassination attempt on Bannistar Station. Despite his personal reasons for disliking the Empire, Rendar refused to abandon his independence to join the growing Rebellion. His motivation was profit and, though he occasionally went on to work for the Rebels, he insisted on being well compensated. In 0 ABY, Rendar boarded the luxury liner Star of Empire with the intention of stealing it to sell to the Rebels.

Before he could act, however, the ship's computer, an artificial intelligence known as SIM, took control of the ship itself. Rendar was one of the few passengers trapped aboard and joined forces with the Shi'ido Mammon Hoole and his adopted children, Tash and Zak Arranda, to escape the ship and defeat SIM. He later took a job escorting the famous swoop racer Kimmi Chyler, smuggling supplies for the Rebels as he traveled. His work came to the attention of both the Imperial Security Bureau and Prince Xizor but, despite multiple attempts to stop him, Rendar successfully completed several deliveries. In 3 ABY, while delivering supplies to the Alliance's Echo Base on Hoth, Rendar was trapped on the planet when the Empire attacked and helped Rogue Squadron hold off Imperial ground forces until the Rebels could evacuate, destroying an All Terrain Armored Transport in the process.

Following the Battle of Hoth, Rendar was hired by the Rebel Lando Calrissian to track down Han Solo, who had been captured by the bounty hunter Boba Fett. He eventually led Calrissian to Gall in the Zhar system, but the Rebels were unable to rescue their friend. Following this, Rendar was hired by Princess Leia Organa to watch over the young Jedi Luke Skywalker after a recent attempt on his life. After saving Skywalker from a swoop gang on Tatooine, Rendar accompanied him on a mission to recover the plans to the Empire's second Death Star battlestation from the Mobquet medium transport Suprosa.

The mission was a success, but an apparent mistake by Rendar cost the lives of many Bothan pilots. Seeking to make amends, Rendar helped to rescue Organa when she was held prisoner by Xizor in his palace on Coruscant. The Outrider appeared to be destroyed while fleeing Coruscant, but Rendar merely faked his death to avoid reprisals from Black Sun and the Empire. In the following years he teamed up with the Human replica droid Guri, forming a mercenary team and eventually establishing a company to create more HRDs, including a replica of Rendar's own brother, Stanton.

My thoughts:
Another video game character who has made several subsequent appearances in games and books. Dash was the main character for Shadows of the Empire. The game spawned the Rogue Squadron games which were a ton of fun and is in desperate need of a sequel. You hear that Disney? Make it happen.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 17, 2019, 04:23:28 PM
#36: Padme Amidala

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xFDhSpD5B0c/UrD5UamXlNI/AAAAAAAASSQ/V8eBiFCjt2s/s1600/natalie-portman-as-queen-padme-amidala-phantom.jpg)


17 points
2 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #12 Linszoid

From wookiepedia:

Padmé Naberrie of Naboo (publicly known by her regal name, Padmé Amidala, and also known as Her Royal Highness, Queen Amidala of Naboo from 33 BBY to 25 BBY and as Her Excellency, Senator Padmé Amidala of Naboo from 25 BBY until her death) was the younger daughter of Ruwee and Jobal Naberrie, and the sister of Sola Naberrie. Later in her life, Amidala became the secret wife of Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker and the mother of Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa Solo, two of the most important figures in galactic history. She was also the grandmother of Jaina, Jacen, and Anakin Solo, as well as Ben Skywalker. This relationship made her great-grandmother of Allana Solo, Jacen Solo's daughter, and an ancestor of Nat, Kol, Cade Skywalker, and Ania Solo.

Amidala was the democratically elected Queen of Naboo before representing the Chommell sector as a Senator in the Galactic Senate. As Queen of Naboo, Amidala fought bravely to liberate her people during the Trade Federation's invasion in 32 BBY, thus becoming one of the most respected political figures in the galaxy. In 22 BBY, following the Military Creation Act, Anakin Skywalker was assigned to protect her, and following the Battle of Geonosis, the two secretly married on Naboo after the pair fell in love.

Senator Amidala participated in many events of the Clone Wars, both political and military, while also becoming pregnant to her husband. Around the end of the war, she doubted the motives of the Galactic Republic. In 19 BBY, appalled by the dissolution of the Republic and the creation of the Galactic Empire, she signed the Delegation of 2000 along with Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and other Senators.

After Anakin slaughtered many Jedi, including younglings, Obi-Wan Kenobi came to tell Padmé about Anakin's transformation to the Sith Lord Darth Vader. She refused to believe him, and went to Mustafar to find her husband. Unknown to her, Kenobi had hidden aboard her ship in order to find his former apprentice. When Kenobi revealed himself, the newly christened Sith Lord assumed she had betrayed him, and he strangled his wife using the dark side, knocking her unconscious.

After Kenobi defeated Vader, and left him for dead, he took Amidala to a medical facility on Polis Massa, where she gave birth to fraternal twins and named them—the boy, Luke, and the girl, Leia.

Unfortunately, her husband's fall to the dark side had broken her heart, causing her to lose the will to live, which, coupled with the strain of giving birth to her children, resulted in her death. Before death took her, she spoke her final words to Kenobi, stating her strong belief that there was still good within Anakin. At her state funeral, thousands of Naboo gathered in the streets of Theed to pay their respects to their beloved former Queen and Senator.

Throughout her relatively short life, she played a vital role in the politics and events surrounding the Clone Wars. Amidala and other Senators were responsible for creating the foundation for any chance of rebellion against the Empire. Eventually, Padmé's children would play a major role in the fragmentation of the Empire and the redemption of Anakin.


My thoughts:
I'm surprised Padme is this low on this list. When the prequel movies came out I think I was in love with her. A lot of people were upset in that manner in which she died. If I may be a little controversial, I think that scene is kind of similiar to the death of Debbie Fisher as both pretty much died of depression due to recent events in their lives. I wish the scene where she helps create the rebellion was left in episode 3 but alas, it was not to be.

"Every fanboy's dream: bring Natalie Portman to your room and show her your robot." - Kevin Murphy
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 17, 2019, 04:36:05 PM
Christopher Lee does a great job adding gravitas to a silly named character that isn't written very deeply. But even he sometimes stumbles when dealing with the notoriously not actor friendly director George Lucas. Listen to his delivery when he is first coming in to the room where Obi-Wan is being held in the stasis field on Geonosis, it's awful.

In regards to the dialogue where he meets Obi-Wan, honestly for the longest time I took it as Dooku simply mocking Obi-Wan.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 17, 2019, 04:38:50 PM
Christopher Lee does a great job adding gravitas to a silly named character that isn't written very deeply. But even he sometimes stumbles when dealing with the notoriously not actor friendly director George Lucas. Listen to his delivery when he is first coming in to the room where Obi-Wan is being held in the stasis field on Geonosis, it's awful.

In regards to the dialogue where he meets Obi-Wan, honestly for the longest time I took it as Dooku simply mocking Obi-Wan.

Now that I think about it, so did I.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 17, 2019, 05:35:49 PM
Yeah since Padme's actions in episode 1 caused Palpatine to come to power I'm not really a big fan of hers. She basically gave birth to three children, Luke, Leia, and the Galactic empire.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 17, 2019, 05:50:27 PM
Yeah since Padme's actions in episode 1 caused Palpatine to come to power I'm not really a big fan of hers. She basically gave birth to three children, Luke, Leia, and the Galactic empire.

I thought that was Jar Jar!
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 17, 2019, 06:43:24 PM
#35: L3-37

(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/hs-ff-002814_b09d97b4.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1560%2C878&width=960)

21 points
1 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #15 Pak-Man

From wookiepedia:

L3-37, abbreviated L3, or Elthree, or Vuffi, was a feminine custom self-made piloting droid associated with Lando Calrissian who was active during the reign of the Galactic Empire. She was a one-of-a-kind droid, assembling and improving herself with scraps of other droids, including her torso, which she pieced together from an old astromech. Her brain module began as part of an R3-series astromech droid, including data from an espionage droid, custom coding and protocol droid processors.

L3 was also built from already used protocol parts and was also an enlightened navigator. She cared deeply about droid rights, a trait which led to her eventual demise.

My thoughts:
I'm trying not to say anything extremely negative on the characters on this list. So I'll be postitive and say that she had one of the most enjoyable death scenes in the Star Wars franchise.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 17, 2019, 11:56:00 PM
No lie, I got my brother a Dash Rendar action figure for Christmas this year. So it's good to see Dash represented here.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 18, 2019, 12:08:14 PM
#34: Jyn Erso

(https://imperialtalker.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/jyn.jpg?w=620)

21 points
2 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #14 Johnny Unusual

From wookiepedia:

Jyn Erso was a human female soldier and former criminal who became a pivotal member of the Alliance to Restore the Republic when she led Rogue One in stealing the Death Star plans during the Battle of Scarif. She was the daughter of Lyra Erso, a devout member of the Church of the Force, and scientist Galen Erso, who was forced into helping the Galactic Empire build the Death Star. Erso's mother was killed when Director Orson Krennic, the commander of the Death Star project, kidnapped her father—who affectionately referred to his daughter as "Stardust." She was raised by resistance fighter Saw Gerrera and became a child soldier in his army.

After being abandoned by the Partisans, Erso spent several years on her own, committing a number of crimes in order to survive in a dangerous galaxy. In 0 BBY, she was recruited by the Rebel Alliance to find Gerrera on Jedha, where he had information about Galen and the Death Star project. She found a holographic recording of her father who confirmed the existence of the Death Star and that the plans kept on Scarif would reveal a fatal weakness he planted in its design. She attempted to save her father on Eadu, but he was killed. With little support from the Rebel Alliance, Jyn and Captain Cassian Andor led a squad, Rogue One, to Scarif where they stole the plans from the Imperial security complex. She transmitted the plans to the Alliance Fleet that arrived in orbit, but the Death Star soon fired on Scarif in an attempt to eliminate the Rebel threat. Erso and Andor were the last surviving members of their squad, and they died when the blast reached the complex.

Erso was remembered fondly by the Rebel leader, Mon Mothma, who believed that she would have become an even more extraordinary person if she had survived. Her sacrifice was not in vain, however. The Rebel Alliance used the plans to discover the flaw Galen built into the battle station, and the weapon was destroyed by Luke Skywalker during the Battle of Yavin, starting a chain reaction which would see the doom of the Empire.

My thoughts:
She was a very serviceable lead in Rogue One. It's a pity that she won't be in any sequels because I would've liked to have seen more depth to her character.

"What does this have to do with my father" - Jyn Erso
"This is Star Wars honey, everything has something to do with fathers" - Mike Nelson
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 18, 2019, 03:49:43 PM
#33: Wedge Antilles

(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://dorksideoftheforce.com/files/2015/07/wedge-antilles.jpg&)

21 points
3 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #16 Linszoid

From wookiepedia:

Wedge Antilles, a Human male, was a famed Corellian pilot and general, known as a hero of the Rebel Alliance and New Republic. Orphaned at age seventeen, he joined the Rebellion after Imperial forces killed his girlfriend, Mala Tinero. A standout starfighter pilot, he was one of the few to survive the Battle of Yavin, after which he founded Rogue Squadron with his friend Luke Skywalker. Antilles and Skywalker built Rogue Squadron into a renowned unit, and after the Battle of Hoth, Antilles took command. He flew as Red Leader in the Battle of Endor, striking the blow that destroyed the second Death Star alongside Lando Calrissian and becoming the only pilot to survive both Death Star runs.

As the Rebel Alliance became the New Republic, Antilles continued to serve, gaining a reputation as a consummate soldier and the New Republic's greatest pilot. He led Rogue Squadron in a covert mission to bring down Coruscant's shields, allowing the New Republic to capture the galactic capital planet. When denied permission to remove Imperial leader Ysanne Isard from power over Thyferra, he resigned with his squadron and led a private guerrilla war that successfully toppled Isard. Accepted back into the New Republic, he formed Wraith Squadron as a commando unit and led it in operations against the Imperial Warlord Zsinj.

In 9 ABY, Antilles accepted the promotion to general that his friend, Supreme Commander Gial Ackbar, had long desired for him. As a general, he reluctantly moved out of the cockpit and into a role in fleet operations, frequently commanding the Star Dreadnought Lusankya. During a mission to the planet Adumar in 13 ABY, he ignited a romance with Iella Wessiri, a friend in whom he had been interested for several years, and married her after the mission's conclusion. They had two daughters, Syal and Myri, as Antilles became Chief of Staff of New Republic Starfighter Command and then finally returned to command Rogue Squadron in 18 ABY. In 19 ABY, after peace was achieved with the Imperial Remnant, Antilles retired with more than twenty years of service to the Alliance and New Republic, ten as a general.

When the Yuuzhan Vong invaded the galaxy in 25 ABY, Antilles emerged from retirement, becoming the commander of New Republic Fleet Group Three. He participated in the failed defense of Coruscant, then retreated to Borleias. There he made a stand against heavy opposition for several months longer than expected and defeated the famed ex-Warmaster Czulkang Lah, inspiring hope across the New Republic that the war against the invaders could be won. In 29 ABY, Antilles was one of the commanders in the Recapture of Coruscant that ended the war.

He returned to retirement, but after being imprisoned by the Galactic Alliance, the New Republic's successor state, in the run-up to the Second Galactic Civil War, Antilles escaped. He joined the forces of his homeworld, Corellia, as it revolted against the galactic government, reluctantly taking a side against his best friend, General Tycho Celchu, and his own daughter Syal, who had become a Galactic Alliance pilot. He served as the Supreme Commander of the Corellian Defense Force, but he came to believe that the Corellian regime was itself corrupt and immoral. He resigned and instead offered his services to the New Jedi Order, led by his lifelong friend Luke Skywalker. Skywalker formed a Jedi Coalition and, with Antilles's help, destroyed the Centerpoint superweapon controlled by the Corellian Confederation, then went on to defeat the Galactic Alliance's Sith leader, Darth Caedus, and end the war. Afterward, Antilles retired for the third time, hoping to finally be able to live quietly with his family.

My thoughts:
A great example of how a relatively minor character with about 2 minutes of screen time in three movies can become a fan favorite. I can only imagine the survivor's guilt he must feel after living through several rebel Pyrrhic victories. He was also central to the Rogue Squadron books. I haven't read them in years but I remember them being some of the better Legends content.

"Wedge? He's named after a simple machine? Where's Inclined Plane or how 'bout Pulley?" - Bill Corbett
"Screw, Lever, and Axle: Get ready!" - Mike Nelson
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 18, 2019, 05:09:27 PM
Quote
"Wedge? He's named after a simple machine? Where's Inclined Plane or how 'bout Pulley?" - Bill Corbett
"Screw, Lever, and Axle: Get ready!" - Mike Nelson

Yeah, I always liked that line  :D

Fun Fact: The Final Fantasy series has a tradition of having minor characters names Biggs and Wedge, although in some cases the translator didn't get the joke and mistranslated their names.

I believe he's the only fighter pilot to survive both assaults on the Death Star.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 18, 2019, 06:00:45 PM
Quote
"Wedge? He's named after a simple machine? Where's Inclined Plane or how 'bout Pulley?" - Bill Corbett
"Screw, Lever, and Axle: Get ready!" - Mike Nelson

Yeah, I always liked that line  :D

Fun Fact: The Final Fantasy series has a tradition of having minor characters names Biggs and Wedge, although in some cases the translator didn't get the joke and mistranslated their names.

I believe he's the only fighter pilot to survive both assaults on the Death Star.

I'm glad someone appreciates the rifftrax lines I'm trying to find for these characters  :)
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 18, 2019, 07:43:55 PM
#32: The Millenium Falcon

(http://thenewswheel.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Millennium-Falcon-760x428.jpg)

23 points
1 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #3 CJones

From wookiepedia:

The Millennium Falcon, original designation YT-1300 492727ZED, was a Corellian YT-1300f light freighter most famously used by the smugglers Han Solo and Chewbacca during the Galactic Civil War. In the time following the Battle of Endor, Imperial turncoat Ralsius Paldora noted that every 2.2 out of 300 stormtroopers were aware of the Falcon's existence.

Its aged appearance belied numerous advanced modifications to boost the ship's speed, weapons, and shield, including a hyperdrive engine among the fastest in the entire galaxy, enabling it to outrun Imperial Star Destroyers. It included sensor-proof smuggling compartments, which were used during the rescue of Princess Leia Organa in 0 BBY to evade Imperial stormtroopers. Afterwards, the Millennium Falcon saw further action when Solo chose to join the Rebels during the Battle of Yavin, where it was able to sneak up and fire on Darth Vader's TIE Advanced, allowing Luke Skywalker to fire the proton torpedo that destroyed the Death Star.

After Han was captured on Bespin, Lando took command of the Falcon once more to search for him. In 4 ABY, Lando flew the ship at the Battle of Endor, where it entered the Death Star II and destroyed it from within. Over the next decades, the ship would fall out of Solo's hands and be stolen by a succession of criminals and thieves. It ended up back in Solo's hands in 34 ABY, after it was found on Jakku, a remote world in the Western Reaches.

My thoughts:
Ok, this entry is kind of in violation of the rules. But it's the fricken Falcon so I let it slide. This ship made light freighters look cool. Which adolescent (or adult) among us did not imagine we had a Falcon in our youth, travelling the galaxy with friends and looking for adventure.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 19, 2019, 09:35:34 AM
Cute. Now I can theoretically go back in time and vote for the IG-2000, the Tie Defender, the Hounds Tooth, the Executioner and Slave 1.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 19, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
In the anime One Piece they count their pirate ships as characters, since in that wild world there is sort of a "spirit" of a ship, since it's so cool and beloved by the crew and whatnot. Though they only really focused on this one time, it was pretty cool.

Falcon reminds me of this fine UCB sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiqPmsBYieA
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 19, 2019, 01:51:21 PM
#31: Mara Jade

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6eded5ef00ca90d19226bbe54746db79)

23 points
2 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #13 Russoguru

From wookiepedia:

Mara Jade Skywalker was, during different times in her life, an Emperor's Hand, a smuggler, and later a Jedi Master who sat upon the Jedi High Council. She was raised as a servant and assassin to Emperor Palpatine and became a high-level Force-using operative. As an Emperor's Hand, Jade carried out the Emperor's bidding, killing Rebels and corrupt Imperials alike with cold professionalism, even as a young woman. As Palpatine's assassin, she received top-notch training from experts in a variety of fields as well as training in the Force, which was continued by Luke Skywalker years later. After Palpatine's death, she received his last command, which was to kill Luke Skywalker; however, the death of her Master caused her to go rogue. Eventually she joined smuggler chief Talon Karrde, becoming one of his best smugglers and his second-in-command. During the predations of Grand Admiral Thrawn, she was forced to work with Skywalker, and developed a grudging respect for him. During the Galactic Civil War, Mara Jade proved herself skilled in a variety of fields; she was a good pilot and mechanic and trained in the use of both a blaster and hand-to-hand combat even without relying on the Force.

Over the years, she continued to work for Karrde and interact with Skywalker intermittently, training at his Jedi Praxeum on Yavin 4 for a short period of time. She was groomed by Karrde to take over the Smugglers' Alliance and had a brief relationship with Lando Calrissian as part of that role, although she later admitted it was a charade. She also continued to grow closer to Skywalker and worked alongside him on numerous occasions, including the Almanian Uprising and the Corellian Crisis. The two finally realized in 19 ABY while on a mission to Nirauan that they were in love, and wanted to spend the rest of their lives together.

After marrying Skywalker, Mara Jade took the surname Skywalker and devoted her life to the New Jedi Order, becoming a Master in her own right. Shortly before the Yuuzhan Vong War, she fell ill due to deadly coomb spores that she'd been infected with by a Yuuzhan Vong agent. She used the Force to slow their progress even as she continued to fight against the alien invaders on numerous battlefields including Dantooine and Ithor, but the disease was only purged from her system after the birth of her son Ben in 26 ABY. After becoming a Master, Jade Skywalker took her niece Jaina Solo as an apprentice until she reached Knighthood. During that time, she participated in Jedi offensives against the Yuuzhan Vong, aiding in the war effort. After the fall of Coruscant, she helped Cal Omas become elected as the Chief of State as the New Republic reorganized itself into the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances. Jade Skywalker ultimately saw her efforts against the Yuuzhan Vong rewarded in the war's final battle on Coruscant with the death of Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane.

In the following years, Jade Skywalker was active during the Dark Nest Crisis and the subsequent Swarm War, wherein she helped to thwart the expansionist plans of Raynar Thul and the insectoid Killiks who were spreading into Chiss space and subverting many other people into becoming Joiners under the influence of several Dark Jedi. Jade Skywalker was insistent that the Jedi who had joined Killik communities would be withdrawn, as they were using their skills in combat against the Chiss, provoking them. She continued to serve by the side of her husband as a Jedi Master during the Second Galactic Civil War, first serving alongside the Galactic Alliance against the rebellious Confederation. The re-emergence of the Sith Lady Lumiya was another threat that Jade Skywalker had to confront, but though she and her husband skirmished with both Lumiya and the fallen Jedi Alema Rar on multiple occasions, the darksiders escaped. As the war escalated, Jade Skywalker was killed by her nephew, Jacen Solo, whom she had learned was a Sith and therefore saw as a threat to her family personally, to the Jedi Order, and to the galaxy at large.

My thoughts:
Definitely one of the better known Legends characters. If you a Star Wars fans in the 90s you'd probably know her name. Unfortunately, I can't remember much about her. I need to go and re-read some of the Legends books sometime.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 19, 2019, 02:41:21 PM
For me the details of Mara Jade are a little sketchy too. All I know is that she was one of the Emperor's lackey's, sent to kill Luke Skywalker and instead they fell in love and got married. If I were the Emperor I'd say "I hate when that happens.".
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 19, 2019, 02:53:09 PM
#30: Rose Tico

(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/rose-tico-db-tlj_a70bef86.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1280%2C720&width=960)

25 points
2 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #12 Pak-Man

From wookiepedia:

Rose Tico was a female human who served in the Resistance as a maintenance worker during their conflict with the First Order, whom Tico had hated since she was a child. Tico's older sister, Paige, was a gunner in the Resistance.

My thoughts:
Wow that Wookiepedia introduction is short. There is a bit more in the article if anyone is interested. The whole Canto Bight sequence has gotten some flak for various reason, one of which is that it kind of went nowhere. Personally I thought it was kind of refreshing to see a protagonist's absurd plan blow up in their face. Rose herself does bring heart and compassion to the movie. Let's see where her character goes in episode 9!

*After Rose stuns Finn*
"That's roughly the method my wife uses to keep me out of the nutella" - Kevin Murphy
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 19, 2019, 03:10:21 PM
Fun character, I liked the comedy stuff she had going on with Finn and whatnot.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 19, 2019, 03:15:14 PM
Fun character, I liked the comedy stuff she had going on with Finn and whatnot.

Apparently in the original draft Poe was supposed to go with Finn on that little adventure, but the director felt they weren't a fun pair and thus Rose was created.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 19, 2019, 04:11:24 PM
She didn't make my list but I really liked Rose. The misogynistic and sexist creeps on FB that have a lot of negative things to say about her can all go to hell.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 20, 2019, 07:25:08 AM
Jeez, I forgot about Rose.  Got to redo my list!
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 20, 2019, 11:38:44 AM
#29: Qui Gonn Jinn

(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/screen_shot_2015-08-11_at_5_3c9a35a7.png?region=0%2C0%2C1160%2C581&width=960)

27 points
3 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #13 Linszoid

From wookiepedia:

Qui-Gon Jinn was a human male Jedi Master who lived during the declining days of the Galactic Republic. The Coruscant-born Jedi was a controversial figure in his time, having long been a student of the Living Force who often bucked the Jedi Code and the decisions of the Jedi High Council in order to follow the will of the Force. According to his Padawan, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jinn could have been a member of the High Council had he followed the Code, but he, like his own Jedi Master, Count Dooku, did not always put his faith in institutional wisdom. His studies of the Living Force helped him learn to unlock the secrets of eternal consciousness after death, giving him and the students he would later teach influence beyond death.

In 32 BBY, Jinn and Kenobi were sent by Supreme Chancellor Finis Valorum to negotiate a peaceful outcome to the Trade Federation' blockade of the planet Naboo. The Federation, in league with the shadowy Sith Lord Darth Sidious, targeted them for death and forced them onto the planet, where they rescued Queen Padmé Amidala and helped her find safe refuge on Tatooine. It was there that Jinn helped orchestrate the freedom of a young slave named Anakin Skywalker, a boy who was strong in the Force and who Jinn believed was the Chosen One who would destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force. Once at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, Jinn unsuccessfully lobbied for the Council to allow him to train Skywalker.

Jinn and Kenobi returned to Naboo, where they helped Queen Amidala liberate her people from the Federation. Jinn was killed in a lightsaber duel with Darth Maul, and with his dying breaths asked Kenobi to train Skywalker. His funeral was held shortly thereafter, but his studies of the Living Force allowed him to manifest his consciousness after death. During the Clone Wars, he revealed himself to Grand Master Yoda and sent Yoda on a journey so he too could learn the secrets of immortality. After the fall of the Jedi Order, Jinn guided Yoda and Kenobi in learning how to physically manifest their spirits, a feat he too was able to accomplish after first only being able to communicate as a disembodied voice. Through Jinn’s teachings, Kenobi and Yoda were able to guide Luke Skywalker even after death as he saved his father from the dark side of the Force, became a Jedi Knight, and sought to rebuild the Jedi Order.

My thoughts:
The character gave us a first glimpse at the Jedi in the Old Republic. If Disney continues to put out origin movies, a Qui Gonn movie would be on the top of my list.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 20, 2019, 11:48:58 AM
"The Jedi other Jedis go to for weed." - Mike (I think)
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 20, 2019, 11:57:33 AM
You know, Qui-Gonn seems like a really nice Jedi, and yet he's morally ambiguous, picking and choosing when it's okay or when it's not okay to use the force to effect the story. The problem is the key to understanding his strange behavior completely escapes me.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: goflyblind on January 20, 2019, 12:05:54 PM
they interviewed the kid
oh, training they forbid
because yoda sensed in him much fear
and qui-gon said "now listen here"
"just stick it in your pointy ear"
"i still will teach this boy"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 20, 2019, 03:30:22 PM
#28: Greedo

(https://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/greedo-and-han-solo1.jpg?quality=98&strip=all&w=782)

27 points
3 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #12 RVR II

From wookiepedia:

Greedo, son of Greedo the Elder, was a male Rodian bounty hunter. He lived in Mos Espa alongside the young Anakin Skywalker and W. Wald circa 32 BBY. Although his father had been an esteemed hunter, and the chief rival of Navik the Red, the younger Greedo had little of his father's prowess and was easily killed by Han Solo in Chalmun's Spaceport Cantina on Tatooine.

My thoughts:
A part of the menagerie of aliens in the Cantina. He may not have been a good bounty hunter but he is at the center of the greatest controversy in film history. Also a rodian dressed exactly like him can be spotted walking around in the backgrounds of Mos Eisley. So he either has a grieving twin or he survived!

"Wait, you told me it was Greedo's kid"
"Nope, you shot first!"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 20, 2019, 05:31:48 PM
#27: Admiral Ackbar

(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/04/05/ackbar_wide-f0a673c875361830e84eaa3b98f7f886a750b0e5-s800-c85.jpg)

32 points
5 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #10 stethacantus

From wookiepedia:

Gial Ackbar was a veteran male Mon Calamari soldier and strong revolutionary leader during the Clone Wars, the Galactic Civil War, the cold war, and the war between the Resistance and the First Order. Throughout his sixty years of service, Ackbar was regarded as a brilliant tactician.

Ackbar was captain of the Mon Calamari Guard during the Clone Wars and fought in the Battle of Mon Cala, in which he helped to secure Prince Lee-Char's ascent as King of Mon Cala and repel the Confederacy of Independent Systems. After the rise of the Galactic Empire, Ackbar became the foremost military commander in the Alliance to Restore the Republic, emerging as a symbol of defiance against the Empire's subjugation of non-humans. His presence attracted Mon Calamari support for the Alliance, thus supplying the Mon Calamari star cruisers that made up a bulk of the Alliance Fleet.

From his command ship of Home One, Ackbar acted as the fleet commander during the Battle of Endor, in which the Alliance successfully mounted an attack that led to the destruction of the Empire's second Death Star and the death of Emperor Palpatine. After the Battle of Endor, the Alliance formed the New Republic. Ackbar became a fleet admiral of the New Republic Defense Fleet and led the Republic to its victory over the Empire during the Battle of Jakku. After the battle on Jakku ended, the Empire retreated into the Unknown Regions and Ackbar retired to Mon Cala.

By 34 ABY, the emerging threat of the First Order, which arose from the ashes of the Empire, led Princess Leia Organa to form the Resistance without the support of the Republic that had turned a blind eye to the First Order. Organa, the general of the Resistance, coaxed Ackbar out of his retirement to serve in the Resistance. After reclaiming his commission as an Admiral Ackbar served in the Resistance base on D'Qar, where he helped oversee the battle to destroy the First Order superweapon known as Starkiller Base.

Ackbar was later present on the bridge of the Resistance's flagship the Raddus when the Resistance evacuated from D'Qar, but was blown up and killed when the First Order attacked the ship after it exited hyperspace.

My thoughts:
Everyone's favorite rebel fish Admiral. I like that they went with an alien officer instead of another boring human. But with so many different species on spaceship, how do they control what the thermostat is set to. Wouldn't different aliens like different temperatures?

"This is no time to be quoting tired internet memes sir!" - Bill Corbett
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 20, 2019, 06:09:56 PM
#26: Salacious Crumb

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/933375046017363968/C0GU9F7U_400x400.jpg)

36 points
3 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #8 Pak-Man

From wookiepedia:

Salacious B. Crumb was a Kowakian monkey-lizard employed as a court jester for Hutt crime lord Jabba Desilijic Tiure. Known for his shrill laugh and sadistic sense of humor, Crumb started out as little more than vermin on Kwenn Space Station during the days of the Galactic Republic, eventually escaping onto a ship belonging to Jabba the Hutt.

When Jabba found Crumb eating from his food bowl, he attempted to digest him, though the Kowakian monkey-lizard escaped, covering Jabba's two henchmen with goo in the process. Jabba found this extremely amusing, and offered Crumb a role as his court jester; if Salacious managed to amuse Jabba at least once a day, he would be allowed to eat and drink as much as he wished. However, if he failed to do so, he would be killed. For over a dozen years he lived in Jabba's Palace, playing many tricks and practical jokes on some of the palace's regulars, and becoming one of the most disliked members of Jabba's court.

He died in 4 ABY, when Jabba's sail barge exploded over the Great Pit of Carkoon.

My thoughts:
Definitely a sadistic little muppet with a laugh that makes you want to squeeze him. Still though he adds variety to the characters in the SW universe.

"I live in Jabba's fat!"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 20, 2019, 08:14:15 PM
... I have to say that I can't wait to see Pak's full list because then I'm going to feel sorry for all the poor characters who didn't make the list and as a consequence lost to Salacious Crumb of all characters.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 20, 2019, 10:21:01 PM
I have a particular fondness for the denizens of Jabba's palace. Most of the aliens peppered throughout the Star Wars universe amount to "Humanoid with weird skin and a strange face." Lucas let his imagination go wild with Jabba's Palace.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Charles Castle on January 20, 2019, 10:33:02 PM
Salacious Crumb is like one of the top 18 most quotable characters in all of Star Wars. He made my list as well.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 20, 2019, 10:42:30 PM
I too love Salacious Crumb! Also good to see Admiral Ackbar.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 21, 2019, 03:08:09 AM
#32: The Millenium Falcon

(http://thenewswheel.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Millennium-Falcon-760x428.jpg)

23 points
1 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #3 CJones


Ok, this entry is kind of in violation of the rules. But it's the fricken Falcon so I let it slide. This ship made light freighters look cool. Which adolescent (or adult) among us did not imagine we had a Falcon in our youth, travelling the galaxy with friends and looking for adventure.

I actually did have a rational for including the Falcon. One, in Empire, C-3P0 says "I don't know where your ship learned to communicate, but it has a most peculiar dialect." And Han mentions that he needs C-3P0 to "Talk to the Falcon, find out what's wrong with the hyperdrive." Second, in Solo, L3's "consciousness" is transferred to the Falcon. This would certainly seem to suggest that C-3P0 is talking to L3, or what's left of her anyway
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 21, 2019, 03:17:54 AM
Quote
y thoughts:
Everyone's favorite rebel fish Admiral. I like that they went with an alien officer instead of another boring human. But with so many different species on spaceship, how do they control what the thermostat is set to. Wouldn't different aliens like different temperatures?

"Crap, I forgot that I breathe water!"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 21, 2019, 10:19:51 AM
Alright, we're halfway through this thing.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 21, 2019, 10:20:38 AM
I have a particular fondness for the denizens of Jabba's palace. Most of the aliens peppered throughout the Star Wars universe amount to "Humanoid with weird skin and a strange face." Lucas let his imagination go wild with Jabba's Palace.

Speaking of strange creatures at Jabba's Palace...
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 21, 2019, 10:27:53 AM
#25: Max Rebo

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/46/Maxrebo.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/500?cb=20160403062244)

46 points
6 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #10 PyschoGoatee

From wookiepedia:

Max Rebo, whose real name was Siiruulian Phantele, was a male Ortolan who was known as a popular musician and head member of the Max Rebo Band. He was a skinny Ortolan, the youngest of five children.

My thoughts:
I liked the music during the Jabba Palace sequence. I think I'm the only person that doesn't mind that little song was added in the special edition. Let's face it, Max Rebo is a top notch jizz wailer. Nobody can wail jizz like the Max Rebo band.

"Ah jizz" - Kevin Murphy
"Don't!" - Mike Nelson
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 21, 2019, 11:11:01 AM
Salacious Crumb is like one of the top 18 most quotable characters in all of Star Wars. He made my list as well.
Not sure I can agree about a character being quotable when all they do is laugh.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 21, 2019, 12:22:18 PM
Seems like everyone is quoting him all the time, really.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 21, 2019, 01:42:19 PM
Seems like everyone is quoting him all the time, really.

Except a movie theater watching Jack and Jill
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 21, 2019, 01:49:41 PM
#24: Kylo Ren

(https://cdn.europosters.eu/image/750/posters/star-wars-episode-vii-the-force-awakens-kylo-ren-crouch-i27998.jpg)

48 points
4 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #10 Linszoid

From wookiepedia:

Kylo Ren, a Force-sensitive human male, was the Supreme Leader of the First Order and Master of the Knights of Ren during the era of the Resistance. Once a promising student of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker, the former Ben Solo was neither Jedi or Sith but a product of both orders' teachings. Though he embraced the dark side of the Force due to the machinations of his predecessor, Supreme Leader Snoke, Ren remained vulnerable to the pull of the light side of the Force. Nevertheless, he was determined to destroy the last remnants of the Jedi Order and also charted his own path to power, believing it was destiny to rule the galaxy.

The son of General Han Solo and Princess Leia Organa, Ben Solo was born on the Core World Chandrila, on the day the Galactic Empire surrendered to the New Republic in 5 ABY. Though he was given his father's surname, Solo was a Skywalker through his mother. He, therefore, inherited the raw strength of his maternal grandfather, Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One of the Force. As his own powers manifested in the years following the Galactic Civil War, Solo became part of a new generation of Jedi Knights trained by his maternal uncle, Luke Skywalker. Despite the potential Skywalker saw in his nephew, he also sensed darkness and grew to believe that Snoke succeeded in turning Solo to the dark side. Acting on instinct, Skywalker was prepared to end Solo's life before his future came to pass but could not follow through with the act. Solo felt betrayed, however, and reacted by burning down the training temple, resulting in the massacre of the other apprentices as well as Skywalker's self-imposed exile on the planet Ahch-To.

By severing his ties with Skywalker and the Jedi, Solo pledged his loyalty to Snoke and reemerged as Kylo Ren—the Jedi Killer, warlord and champion of the First Order, and Master of the Knights of Ren. In the waning days of the cold war, Ren oversaw the hunt for the map to Skywalker; his intention to kill the last Jedi and, therefore, complete the legacy of the fallen Sith Lord Darth Vader, his grandfather's dark side persona. This journey ultimately led to Ren's encounter with the Jakku scavenger Rey, whose own strength in the Force mirrored Ren's, and with whom he shared an unprecedented Force-bond with. They became allies as their connection grew stronger following Starkiller Base's destruction in 34 ABY, leading to the assassination of Snoke during the First Order–Resistance war. With ambition fueled by the dark side, however, Ren claimed the mantle of Supreme Leader and continued to pursue his goal of galactic domination, causing Rey to withdraw her support despite Ren entreating her to rule by his side. At this point, the New Republic had fallen; the Resistance, a group of insurgents led by Ren's mother, was decimated at the Battle of Crait; and Skywalker became one with the Force upon sacrificing his life to save the last remnants of the Resistance.

My thoughts:
Probably my favorite character of the new movies. And thus far he has the best story arc of any character in said movies IMO. That said I'm kind of surprised he was this low on the list.

"He looks like the offspring of Nic Cage and Edward Scissorhands and only inherited the worst features!"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Charles Castle on January 21, 2019, 02:00:18 PM
Salacious Crumb is like one of the top 18 most quotable characters in all of Star Wars. He made my list as well.
Not sure I can agree about a character being quotable when all they do is laugh.
I had my tongue in my cheek there, but I've been referencing that specific laugh for 36 years or so.

Go team Salacious Crumb!
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 21, 2019, 02:35:50 PM
I love that poster of Kylo Ren. I actually love it so much I framed it and put it on my wall and it's been hanging there since 2015... I'm dead serious.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 21, 2019, 03:09:32 PM
#23: Jek Tono Porkins (the White)

(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/jek-porkins-main-image_0b8d2d13.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1280%2C721&width=960)

54 points
3 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #1 CJones

From wookiepedia:

Jek Tono Porkins was a trader and pilot from Bestine IV who, along with the other Bestines, was forced to abandon his homeworld when the Galactic Empire chose it as the site of a new military base. Seeking the opportunity to strike back at the Empire, Porkins joined the Alliance to Restore the Republic and was assigned to Tierfon Rebel Outpost for pilot training with the Tierfon Yellow Aces. His skill at low-altitude strafing runs and his rotund physique earned him the nicknames "Belly Runner" and "Piggy." After the completion of the Empire's Death Star, the Yellow Aces were taken to fully active status and transferred to fill gaps in pilot rosters at other Rebel bases. When Porkins's good friend Wes Janson was taken ill with a case of Hesken Fever, Porkins was given his friend's assignment instead and transferred to Red Squadron, operating out of the Great Temple on Yavin 4.

Porkins soon took part in his first missions with Red Squadron, working with Biggs Darklighter, Wedge Antilles, and Cesi Eirriss to help retrieve a number of astromech droids from the smuggler Nera Dantels on Commenor. The group returned to Yavin 4 just before the arrival of the Death Star in the Yavin system, on a mission to destroy the Rebel base. Porkins flew as Red Six during the Battle of Yavin, his skills at strafing aiding the Rebels early in the battle. However, when his T-65 X-wing starfighter was struck by debris, leaving him with several mechanical and computer malfunctions, Porkins was hit by enemy turbolaser fire and killed.

My thoughts:
Mark Hamill recently stated that during the filming of the Death Star attack scene, many actors playing pilots chose to not wear pants due to a heat wave at the time. So next time you watch Porkin's valiant effort on screen, just remember that he may not be wearing pants.

"Porkins? They named the fat guy Porkins?" - Kevin Murphy
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 21, 2019, 04:13:28 PM
Max Rebo rules! That he's apparently somewhat nefarious is funny too, I would love a 4 issue comic mini-series about him, his band, and the rowdy Roadhouse style adventures they've had.

Seems like everyone is quoting him all the time, really.

Except a movie theater watching Jack and Jill

The only scene I've watched is the Al Pacino "Dunkaccino" scene, and I've seen it many times, really well done. But he'd elevate anything.

Now, Porkins, I like Porkins, ditto Wedge, they're solid dudes. Kylo, I'm not exactly a fan, I can dig that we have fans of him here, but we're only 2/3rds through his story at least so I'll reserve judgement there.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 21, 2019, 04:27:07 PM
Kylo is a great new character.  Driver does great with his character and it's a great movie to make him seemingly antithetical to the main baddies we've seen before and yet also perfectly representative of what the dark side is.  After all, sith are constantly tempting people just to let go of their control and that's exactly what Kylo does.  It's actually similar to Anakin's journey in the prequels in that he lashes out when things have gotten out of hand in his life, leading him down a dark path.  Except, you know, better.  I think it helps that the good guy opposing him is much more interesting: someone who discovers that she has no great lineage or purpose so decides to make her own against someone from a strong background who feels betrayed by fate and falls under the sway of a toxic individual.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 21, 2019, 04:42:56 PM
The logic of the story and the characters is one thing, but for me Kylo so far is not a great character. But everybody digs different stuff. And I don't think the revelation about Rey's parents is really that pivotal. It was more of a meta thing, it was a twist more for the audience's expectations. Rey is used to having to rely on herself, like an orphan character pretty much. In general, while of course Star Wars did it very well, relying on your parentage is a pretty ho-hum thing to me for characterization, though I do think Rey is a pretty solid character.

I can get into flawed or unlikable characters, but I myself just find Kylo is a bit of a hodgepodge at the moment. And we know they're making it up as they go, which is fine, but that's why I think the third film will be a big part in defining that character.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 22, 2019, 10:46:06 AM
#22: Darth Revan

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/51/4d/06/514d0624a31b5ff8bbd04409f486c480.jpg)

55 points
3 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #1 Russoguru

From wookiepedia:

Revan—renowned as the Revanchist, honored as the Revan, reviled as Revan the Butcher, dreaded as the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Revan, and praised as the Prodigal Knight—was a Human male who played pivotal roles as both Jedi and Sith in the Mandalorian Wars, Jedi Civil War, and Great Galactic War.

Believed to have been born around 3994 BBY in the Outer Rim Territories, the child later known as Revan was found by the Jedi Order and became apprenticed to the Jedi Master Kreia. The Padawan had an insatiable hunger for knowledge and learned everything she and many other Masters knew, quickly becoming the Jedi’s most promising pupil. Alongside his friend Malak, he became a Jedi Knight and a vocal and charismatic critic of the Order's inactivity in the ongoing Mandalorian Wars between the Galactic Republic and the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders. In defiance of the Jedi Council, the Knight took upon the name Revan and started the Revanchist movement to combat the Mandalorians as the Republic Military's Supreme Commander. Revan and his forces gradually pushed back the Mandalorians, saving countless worlds at the price of devastating moral compromises and the embrace of dark side practices. On Malachor V, Revan defeated the Mandalorian leader Mandalore the Ultimate in single-combat and ordered the activation of the Mass Shadow Generator superweapon, destroying both armies and the planet but winning the war in the process.

Revan and Malak, now hailed as the greatest of heroes, vanished into the Unknown Regions investigating a mysterious Sith influence behind the war. They discovered a hidden Sith Empire and had their minds warped by the Sith Emperor Vitiate. The newly anointed Darth Revan and Darth Malak were directed to find the mystical Star Forge to escalate the Sith’s plans for invasion, but the pair broke free from Vitiate’s control and used the Star Forge for themselves, creating their own Sith Empire and a fleet of warships. Intent on unifying the galaxy to destroy the Emperor and the hidden Sith threat, they returned to the galaxy as conquers and waged war against the Jedi and the Republic in the resultant Jedi Civil War. Revan won battle after battle and many worlds, inspired by his past sacrifices, joined his cause willingly. In a desperate gamble to end the war, a Jedi strike team led by Bastila Shan ambushed Revan's fleet. The nearby and power-hungry Malak took advantage of Revan's distraction and fired aboard Revan's flagship. Revan was nearly killed, but Bastila kept him alive through the Force and took him back before the surviving Jedi for judgment.

The Jedi Council used their powers to wipe Revan’s mind and soon retrained him as a Jedi. Alongside Bastila and newfound companions, Revan was tasked to relocate the Star Forge—the source of the reigning Darth Malak’s growing powers. Revan picked up more allies and fell in love with Bastila across his journey, but they were eventually intercepted by Malak’s flagship. Malak revealed to Revan his true identity as the former Dark Lord, then captured and corrupted Bastila to the dark side. Revan escaped and, in a last stand, led the remaining Republic fleet against the Star Forge, redeemed Bastila back to the light side, and killed Malak in battle, ultimately destroying the Sith Empire he created. Again the galaxy's savior, Revan married Bastila and sank into obscurity until he began to have visions of a mysterious threat from his past and left his wife and unborn child behind in search for answers. Revan rediscovered Vitiate’s Sith Empire and, alongside his former protégé Meetra Surik, also known as the Jedi Exile, and the Sith Lord Scourge, attempted to assassinate the Emperor. However, Scourge betrayed the pair, killing Meetra and allowing Revan to be overwhelmed by the Emperor.

Revan was placed in stasis for three-hundred years, his mind probed and ravaged by the Emperor. Revan telepathically influenced Vitiate in return, stalling his invasion for centuries, then initiating a temporary armistice before total Sith victory was achieved. Revan was eventually freed by Republic forces and took control of the Foundry space station to construct an army of extermination droids against the Empire, but he was defeated and killed by an Imperial strike team before his plans came to fruition. However, the torture Revan endured had splintered his mind in two, and although his lighter half became one with the Force, the darker half rejected death and resolved to destroy the Emperor. Vitiate’s physical body had already been destroyed in battle, but his hibernating spirit lingered, so Revan planned to resurrect the Emperor to a physical form to destroy him permanently. A coalition of Imperial and Republic forces, fearing the dark Revan’s meddling would only bring untold destruction, joined together with Revan’s light side spirit and defeated him on Yavin 4. Though Vitiate reawakened and escaped to the galaxy at large, the two halves of Revan merged together in peace and died a final battle.

Revan's influence on the galaxy continued for many millennia, shaping Force ideology and military strategy. The Sith Lord Darth Bane discovered Revan's Sith Holocron and used its teachings to destroy the reigning Brotherhood of Darkness and as the philosophical foundation for the Rule of Two, paving the way for Darth Sidious and his Galactic Empire.

My thoughts:
I believe it's been mention before. But Knights of the Old Republic was one of the greatest Star Wars games of its time and is still a landmark RPG. The twist regarding Revan in the game I thought was clever and most players will probably remember forever. Also the game has Ed Asner playing a Jedi. Hopefully they make a sequel sometime.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 22, 2019, 10:56:14 AM
From wookiepedia:[/b]
Revan—renowned as the Revanchist, honored as the Revan, reviled as Revan the Butcher, dreaded as the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Revan, and praised as the Prodigal Knight—was a Human male who played pivotal roles as both Jedi and Sith in the Mandalorian Wars, Jedi Civil War, and Great Galactic War.

Wasn't he also Vigo the Butch?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 22, 2019, 11:53:10 AM
Darth Revan deserves a much higher spot than that. I guess he got left off a lot of lists because he's more obscure to the casual Star Wars fans.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 22, 2019, 12:38:26 PM
There are plenty of hardcore Star Wars fans who haven't played the games I'm sure, his main thing I gather. It'd be like if there's a cool Star Wars character in a Broadway musical. You'd have to be a musical fan who goes to shows and a Star Wars fan to really be into that character. That said, there should be one of those, would be way better than Spider-Man (though I did see that and it rocked).
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 22, 2019, 01:17:55 PM
I'm disappointed more fans didn't play KOTOR, because while I was disappointed with the prequels, I found myself believing in Star Wars again simply because KOTOR was so damn good. I was thinking out loud for a LONG time "Why can't THIS be the next Star Wars movie?".
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 22, 2019, 01:38:23 PM
Right on, a friend of mine really liked it too, it does look cool. I did dig Mass Effect, by the same lead writer.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 22, 2019, 01:48:24 PM
There are plenty of hardcore Star Wars fans who haven't played the games I'm sure, his main thing I gather. It'd be like if there's a cool Star Wars character in a Broadway musical. You'd have to be a musical fan who goes to shows and a Star Wars fan to really be into that character. That said, there should be one of those, would be way better than Spider-Man (though I did see that and it rocked).

https://www.youtube.com/v/lHw0-6SqecI
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 22, 2019, 02:18:57 PM
#21: Poe Dameron

(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/poe-dameron_70f5aee2.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1560%2C878&width=960)

58 points
6 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #13 MartyS and CJones

From wookiepedia
:
Poe Dameron was a human male who served as a pilot in the New Republic and, later, the Resistance during its conflict and subsequent war with the First Order. The son of Lieutenant Shara Bey and Sergeant Kes Dameron of the Alliance to Restore the Republic, Dameron followed in his late mother's footsteps in becoming a pilot, serving the New Republic Defense Fleet as the commander of Rapier Squadron, but grew disillusioned with the Republic's inaction to the First Order's violations of the Galactic Concordance. Dameron defected to the Resistance, where he became one of General Leia Organa's most trusted operatives. Dameron flew under the callsign of Black Leader while piloting his specialized T-70 X-wing starfighter, Black One.

As the conflict with the First Order grew more desperate, Dameron was sent to find Lor San Tekka on Jakku, who had part of a map to locate Organa's brother, Jedi Master Luke Skywalker. Though Dameron entrusted the map to his astromech droid BB-8, he was captured by the First Order and interrogated for the location of the map, eventually being forced to hand over the information. He escaped with the help of a defecting stormtrooper, whom Dameron nicknamed Finn, and returned to the Resistance base on D'Qar on his own. He aided Finn, Rey, Han Solo, and Chewbacca with air support during the Battle of Takodana, and he later flew during the battle to destroy the superweapon known as Starkiller Base. During the battle, after the base was damaged by Solo, Finn, Rey, and Chewbacca, Dameron fired the shots that destroyed the Starkiller weapon, saving the Resistance from certain destruction.

During the subsequent evacuation of D'Qar, Dameron disobeyed orders and led an attack on the First Order Dreadnought Fulminatrix, but his reckless actions caused him to be demoted from Wing Commander to captain. As the First Order pursued the Resistance by tracking them through hyperspace to the Crait system, Dameron did not approve of the passive strategy of Vice Admiral Amilyn Holdo and worked with Finn and mechanic Rose Tico to break into Supreme Leader Snoke's flagship, the Supremacy, and disable the First Order's hyperspace tracker before eventually staging a mutiny against Admiral Holdo in an effort to buy Finn and Rose time.

However, Dameron and the mutineers had not realized that Holdo's plan was to discreetly transport the Resistance to an abandoned Rebel base on the nearby planet Crait, and his group's actions caused the First Order to discover the Resistance's escape vessels and destroy many of them. Even so, General Organa gave Dameron command after Holdo sacrificed herself, and he led a last-ditch counterattack against the First Order during the Battle of Crait. The counterattack was unsuccessful, but Dameron was able to lead the surviving Resistance fighters while a Force projection of Luke Skywalker distracted Kylo Ren and the First Order, where they found their way to Rey and the Millennium Falcon, allowing them to escape.

My thoughts:
The hot shot pilot of the new movies. Although let's face it, pretty much every main character is a great pilot in the new movies. I thought Oscar Isaac does a fantastic job playing the character even if IMO Poe is thin on material. I'll also add that I like the "Black One" X-Wing paint job.

"The Resistance will not be intimidated!" - Poe
"I've always heard resistance is futile." - Mike Nelson
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 22, 2019, 02:44:12 PM
Poe is a cool dude, and Oscar Isaac is one of those actors who just really had a great run lately, lots of great roles. If they kept going with any characters from this trilogy in a spin-off, I could see a Poe movie being cool.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 22, 2019, 02:52:16 PM
Darth Revan deserves a much higher spot than that. I guess he got left off a lot of lists because he's more obscure to the casual Star Wars fans.

I have two KOTOR characters on my list, Revan and another I'm surprised we haven't already seen. Mathematically he has to be on the list somewhere.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 22, 2019, 03:13:44 PM
If you're talking about who I think you are, I'm guessing he's way up the list. He's proven popular in other polls.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 22, 2019, 03:29:26 PM
#20: K-2S0

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61 points
4 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #3 Johnny Unusual

From wookiepedia:

K-2SO (Kay-Tuesso), abbreviated K-2 (Kay-Tu or Kaytoo) or Kay, was a KX-series security droid originally created for use in the Galactic Empire's armed forces.

At some point, the droid encountered Captain Cassian Andor, a member of the resistance movement—known as the Rebel Alliance—that sought to overthrow the Empire and restore democracy to the galaxy. Andor was able to reprogram K-2SO to serve the Alliance. In 0 BBY, K-2SO participated in the Battle of Scarif, where he sacrificed himself so that Andor and Jyn Erso could steal the plans to the Empire's moon-sized battle station, the Death Star.

My thoughts:
The former imperial droid who was converted into a rebel alliance comic relief robot. His cold logic never failed to remind the heroes of the grimness of their situation.

"Ike Turner Bot 4000!"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 22, 2019, 03:31:42 PM
I must be thinking of
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Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 23, 2019, 07:26:28 AM
#19: Grand Admiral Thrawn

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65 points
4 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #3 Charles Castle

From wookiepedia:

Mitth'raw'nuruodo, better known by his core name Thrawn (pronounced /Thräwn/), and misinterpreted as Mitthrawdo by Vicelord Siv Kav, was a male Chiss who served in the naval forces of the Galactic Empire and became the only alien Grand Admiral. Regarded by many as the best military strategist in the navy, he rose to a position of power despite the Empire's strict speciesist policies.

Thrawn began his career as an officer in the Chiss Expansionary Defense Force in the Unknown Regions, where he demonstrated his ruthless commitment to eradicating threats to the Ascendancy. These early threats included an advance force of scouts of the extra-galactic Yuuzhan Vong species, though at that point the Chiss knew them only as the "Far Outsiders". However, many of Thrawn's ways were contrary to that of Chiss society, which rejected offensive and preventive strikes. In 27 BBY, he first met the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, who held a secret double identity as Supreme Chancellor Palpatine of the Galactic Republic, after having destroyed part of Sidious’s private task force. However, they both agreed with the threat posed by the Unknown Regions, most notably by the Far Outsiders. The two sealed their informal agreement when Thrawn destroyed the Republic exploration ship Outbound Flight lest it draw the Far Outsiders toward the Republic, killing many members of the Jedi Order in the process.

Thrawn’s continued preventive strikes led the Chiss to exile him on an uninhabited world far in the fringes of the Chiss Ascendancy. In 19 BBY, soon after Palpatine reformed the Republic into the Galactic Empire, Imperial Navy officer Voss Parck encountered Thrawn in the Unknown Regions and brought him to Emperor Palpatine. Already aware of Thrawn’s command skills, Palpatine approved his admission to the Imperial Navy. Over time, Thrawn climbed the Imperial ladder, believing that he could better defend against the the threat of the oncoming Yuuzhan Vong as an Imperial officer than if he returned to the Chiss, and circa 2 ABY became the thirteenth Grand Admiral in the Imperial Navy. The Chiss officer fought both the Rebel Alliance and rogue Imperial officers. Simultaneously, he pacified the Unknown Regions and established a secret empire of his own, believing that only a strong military government could protect the galaxy’s diverse species from annihilating each other, and to serve as a bulwark against the Yuuzhan Vong.

The Grand Admiral remained in the Unknown Regions around the time of the Battle of Endor, which saw the death of Palpatine and the subsequent breakdown of the Empire under rival warlords. He returned in 8 ABY to take control of the remaining Imperial forces and crush the New Republic, the successor state to the Alliance. Although the Grand Admiral was able to deal the New Republic several mighty blows in a massive campaign the following year, his unexpected death prevented him from destroying the fledgling government. Thrawn perished in the Battle of Bilbringi at the hand of Ruhk, his Noghri bodyguard, who had recently learned that the Empire had betrayed his people. Even though his death led to the further fragmentation of the Empire, Thrawn left behind several clones of himself and an empire still unknown to the New Republic in preparation for yet-unknown threats to the galaxy.

My thoughts:
Probably one of the most successful and well known Legends characters. Even Disney thought he was too good of a character not to use. Thrawn is not your run-of-the-mill Imperial Admiral. I first saw him in the Tie Fighter games and later in the Timothy Zahn's excellent books. Definitely an interesting character that populates the SW universe!
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 23, 2019, 07:42:28 AM
Yay! Thrawn! Just found out that Timothy Zahn is coming to the New Mexico Comic Expo this summer. I'm debating spending way too much money to get an autograph on my dog-eared, yellowed copy of Heir to the Empire.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 23, 2019, 10:03:34 AM
#18: HK-47

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66 points
3 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #2 Pak-Man and CJones

From wookiepedia:

HK-47 was a Hunter-Killer assassin droid and Jedi hunter constructed by the Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Revan, shortly after the end of the Mandalorian Wars in 3960 BBY. In the wake of widespread destruction caused by the Mass Shadow Generator, a superweapon used during the final battle of that conflict, Revan was inspired to seek more subtle methods of defeating his enemies. HK-47 was sent throughout the galaxy on his missions and successfully assassinated countless targets whom Revan had deemed threats to galactic stability and peace. However, HK-47 was badly crippled and captured on a mission in Mandalorian space shortly before Revan himself was captured by the Jedi Order.

As per protocol with Sith assassin droids prior to going on missions, HK-47's memory core was wiped of all knowledge of his original master. His memory could only be restored upon fulfilling his mission, and successfully returning to his master. As he never managed to return to his master, the automatic recall function was never activated, and he couldn’t remember Revan.[1] He went from owner to owner, many of whom he inadvertently slew personally. Eventually, he ended up on the planet Tatooine, where he was sold to and unwittingly reunited with Revan, whose memory had been erased following his capture. The droid went on to aid Revan after his return to the Jedi Order in his campaign to find and destroy the Star Forge, an ancient factory that Revan had used during his reign as the Dark Lord of the Sith. HK-47 was also instrumental in the defeat of Revan's former Sith apprentice, who had since begun utilizing the Star Forge in an attempt to conquer the Galactic Republic.

HK-47 accompanied Revan to the edge of the Unknown Regions along with Revan's utility droid, T3-M4, before being left behind in Revan's starship, the Ebon Hawk, as the redeemed Jedi Knight journeyed on to face a threat he had remembered from his time as the Dark Lord. Sometime later, HK-47 was damaged and was left aboard the Ebon Hawk, which eventually ended up in the hands of one of Revan's allies from the Mandalorian Wars, Meetra Surik, also known as the Jedi Exile. During this period, HK-50 assassin droids, a newer version of HK that G0-T0 had mass-produced, became active in the galaxy, working as bounty hunters and saboteurs. Surik repaired HK-47, who recognized her as his new master and accompanied her in order to find the source of the HK-50s, whose very existence he considered an insult to himself. HK-47 also aided Surik in her search for the Jedi Masters who survived the First Jedi Purge and even advised her on techniques to more efficiently kill Jedi so that Surik could better defend herself.

HK-47 eventually succeeded in finding the HK Manufacturing Plant, where the HK-50s were created. There, he convinced the HK-50s to join his and Surik's cause. This action eventually culminated in a final confrontation on Malachor V between HK-47, assisted by the HK-50s, and G0-T0, whose interests conflicted with that of Surik, and the latter droid was destroyed. After his time with Surik, HK-47 set out on his own to attempt to find Revan, his original master, not knowing that Revan had since been captured by the Sith Empire and was being held in stasis. Three hundred years later, HK-47 was found by a returned Revan and aided him in commanding the Rakatan Foundry, and though he was destroyed, the rogue intelligence operative known as the Shroud copied the droid and saw to it that several versions of HK-47 were active over the following years with different masters.

Four millennia later, HK-47 was found on the planet Mustafar, where his memory core was preserved within the computer of a derelict starship. HK-47 manipulated a group of spacers who discovered him, having them create a new body for him and then subsequently turning on them with the help of several battle droids. The spacers were forced to disable HK-47's new droid army as well as the factory producing them. After a fierce battle, the spacers triumphed over the droids, although HK-47 managed to escape destruction.

My thoughts:
HK-47 is probably the most quoted character in KotoR. He reminds me most of Bender in Futurama for his human hating ways. But I have a confession to make. I have an anti-droid bias for party members in RPGs, therefore I did not use HK much despite his intuitive insights on the human condition.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 23, 2019, 11:56:06 AM
I like to think that in the Star Wars universe, a lot of sentient robots pray to a statue of HK-47 each night, including IG-88.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 23, 2019, 03:01:17 PM
#17: BB-8

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68 points
5 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #7 MartyS

From wookiepedia:

BB-8, sometimes spelled and pronounced Beebee-Ate and nicknamed BB, was a BB-series astromech droid who operated approximately thirty years after the Battle of Endor. It had a dome head, similar to that of R2 series astromech droids, with the bulk of its body made up of a ball on which the droid's head rolled. BB-8 was mostly white, with some silver and orange on its body, as well as a black photoreceptor. The droid belonged to Resistance pilot Poe Dameron, whom he accompanied during his flights on his T-70 X-wing starfighter.

My thoughts:
At first I thought he was just a cheap knock off of R2D2. Now I've come to appreciate that BB-8 is a very good knock off of R2D2. I can't help but root for him in any scene that he's in.

"Let's see if I can go pick up a sexy water heater"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 23, 2019, 03:37:15 PM
To quote Meat Loaf, BB-8 is barely #17 and barely dressed
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 23, 2019, 03:47:24 PM
Never heard that song before. But then again I was never big on Meat Loaf.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 23, 2019, 04:09:24 PM
Never heard that song before. But then again I was never big on Meat Loaf.

Not to derail the topic here, but my man, you owe it to yourself to listen to the album Bat Out of Hell. It's a rock'n'roll classic, songs by Jim Steinman, the guy who wrote "Holding Out For A Hero" and whatnot (featured in Footloose and Short Circuit 2). Bat Out of Hell, and I would say the sequel album as well, two of the finest albums in rock history. But if Meat Loaf is a no-go, I recommend getting a Jim Steinman playlist going. It's better than taking your vitamins.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 24, 2019, 11:52:50 AM
#16: Finn

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73 points
6 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #5 Johnny Unusual

From wookiepedia:

Finn, also known as FN-2187 or Eight-Seven, was a human male stormtrooper who deserted the First Order and joined the Resistance during the new galactic war. He was born in 11 ABY and, like other troopers, conscripted into the First Order military. Though a capable soldier, he lacked the zeal for combat possessed by other members of the FN Corps. During the waning days of the cold war, FN-2187 witnessed the massacre of an entire village on the desert planet Jakku—an act carried out by his squadmates on the orders of the fallen Jedi Kylo Ren. Unable to reconcile the First Order's methods with his conscience, FN-2187 escaped from his former comrades with the help of Commander Poe Dameron, a Resistance pilot who named the stormtrooper "Finn." He planned to hide in the Outer Rim Territories, believing the First Order was unbeatable, but reluctantly became involved with Rey, Han Solo, and Chewbacca as they made their way to the Resistance base on D'Qar in order to bring the droid BB-8 to General Leia Organa. After Rey was captured by Ren on Takodana, Finn infiltrated Starkiller Base to rescue his newfound friend but was subsequently defeated in a lightsaber duel with Ren.

Although Finn recovered from his injuries, he was convinced that the Resistance fleet would be destroyed by the First Order. His second attempt at desertion was thwarted, however, by Rose Tico. As a result, Finn participated in an unsanctioned mission on Canto Bight where he and Tico recruited the codebreaker known as "DJ." They managed to infiltrate Supreme Leader Snoke's flagship, the Supremacy, but were apprehended by Captain Phasma's troops before the team could disable the vessel's hyperspace tracker. After escaping from the Dreadnought, Finn, Tico and BB-8 regrouped with their allies on Crait where the Resistance was all but destroyed by the First Order. However, Finn was among a handful of survivors who fled the battle with Rey's help.

My thoughts:
He provides much of the comedy of the first two movies and so far I'm liking his story arch. In the first movie he wants to run away with Rey. In the second he perhaps finds a reason to fight his former employer thanks in part to Rose. In the third movie: ?

Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 24, 2019, 02:37:41 PM
I like Finn, in general they did a good job with the new crew, part of why Episode VII went so smoothly.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: voix exterieur on January 24, 2019, 03:03:57 PM
What, exactly, is Finn? A bungling stormtrooper? A Jedi? A love interest? Comic relief? Hero?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 24, 2019, 03:19:50 PM
What, exactly, is Finn? A bungling stormtrooper? A Jedi? A love interest? Comic relief? Hero?

Well scratch Jedi and change bungling to disillusioned and I think you got it.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 24, 2019, 03:34:21 PM
#15: Grand Moff Tarkin

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80 points
6 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #4 PyschoGoatee

From wookiepedia:

Wilhuff Tarkin was a human male who served the Galactic Republic and later the Galactic Empire. During the Clone Wars, Tarkin served as a Republic captain under Jedi Master Even Piell and was taken prisoner by the Confederacy of Independent Systems, before escaping with the help of a Jedi and clone trooper strike team. During the incident Piell was killed and Tarkin was later promoted to Admiral and served as prosecutor in the trial of Ahsoka Tano, who was framed for the bombing of the Jedi Temple hangar.

After Supreme Chancellor Sheev Palpatine transformed the Republic into the Galactic Empire and proclaimed the Jedi as fugitives, Tarkin became the Empire's first Grand Moff, and regional Governor of the Outer Rim. With this responsibility, he was also given oversight of the Death Star which he took command over after removing Orson Krennic from the position once it was operational. He believed that fear of the battle station would keep the local systems loyal to the Empire, and used it to destroy Alderaan to showcase the station's power. The Rebel Alliance squad Rogue One, however, stole the plans to the Death Star from Scarif, and Luke Skywalker was able to destroy it during the Battle of Yavin, killing all those on board, including Tarkin.

My thoughts:
The icy evil administrator of the Death Star yet actor Peter Cushing was said to be a very nice and charming guy off camera. Carrie Fisher said it was hard to act mad at him even after he blew up her planet. They brought him back in Rogue One via CGI in an effort that almost worked in my opinion. However the tech just doesn't seem to be perfected yet.

Btw Peter/Tarkin should've taught the stormtroopers how to aim.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/QuarrelsomePlasticGreatdane-size_restricted.gif)

"Wow, he's a good Moff" - Bill Corbett
"Grand even" - Mike Nelson
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 24, 2019, 04:22:06 PM
What, exactly, is Finn? A bungling stormtrooper? A Jedi? A love interest? Comic relief? Hero?

Well scratch Jedi and change bungling to disillusioned and I think you got it.

Also, you know people/characters can be more than one thing, right?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 24, 2019, 04:44:48 PM
Finn is a fighter with a good heart, and I think that's probably the most apt description of him that I can come up with.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 24, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
Tarkin was the ultimate badass villain in the original Star Wars. He didn't even hesitate to tell Vader what to do. Amazing considering he was played by Peter Cushing.

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Btw Peter/Tarkin should've taught the stormtroopers how to aim.

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HAahaha... nice  :D

Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 24, 2019, 05:24:19 PM
#14: Boba Fett

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89 points
6 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #1 RVR II

From wookiepedia:

Boba Fett was a Mandalorian warrior and bounty hunter. He was the only unaltered clone of the famed Jango Fett, created in 32 BBY as unit A0050, one of the first of many Fett replicas designed to become part of the Grand Army of the Republic, and was raised as Jango's son. Jango taught Boba much, training him to become a skilled bounty hunter as was his father-figure before him. In 22 BBY, Jango was killed at the Battle of Geonosis, which opened the Clone Wars. Just a boy, Boba was forced to grow up and took to traveling the galaxy. Later, he became a bounty hunter and took assignments from beings such as Jabba the Hutt, and achieved notoriety despite his young age.

When the Empire was formed in 19 BBY, it was the perfect environment for Fett. During this time, he also married Sintas Vel and had a daughter named Ailyn Vel. Fett became known as the galaxy's best bounty hunter of the next several decades, often working for the Empire. He collaborated with Darth Vader on several occasions, and the Sith Lord even developed a grudging respect for Fett.

In 1 BBY, a year after the Galactic Civil War had begun, Fett was hired to kidnap the Rebel captain Juno Eclipse in order to lure out a clone of Galen Marek. Fett also participated in the Battle of Kamino. When Darth Vader was captured and about to be interrogated on Dantooine, the Mandalorian bounty hunter trailed the Rogue Shadow there.

Fett made his most notable bounty in 3 ABY, when he captured Rebel hero Han Solo, and delivered him to Jabba the Hutt. A year later, during the Battle of the Great Pit of Carkoon, Fett fought against the group of Rebel rescuers. He was inadvertently knocked into the mouth of the Sarlacc by Solo. Though no one in recorded history had ever escaped from the Sarlacc, Fett was able to escape, though not unscathed. Thanks to his iron will and Mandalorian armor, he was able to fight his way out of the beast's belly. Back in action, he resumed his work as a bounty hunter.

After a promise made to a dying Fenn Shysa, Fett became Mandalore and eventually led the Mandalorians through the Yuuzhan Vong War. Originally working as a mercenary for the extra-galactic invaders, Fett later aided the New Republic in their battle against the aliens. When the Yuuzhan Vong assaulted Mandalore and bombarded the planet's surface, a large deposit of Mandalorian iron was unearthed, ironically helping to strengthen the Mandalorians.

Later, during the Second Galactic Civil War, Boba, who was still leading the Mandalorians, was plagued by ailing health. He found his granddaughter, Mirta Gev, and the two went on many missions together, even alongside Han Solo. Fett also trained Solo's daughter Jaina to kill her twin brother, Darth Caedus, and assisted the Jedi Coalition in several battles. Ultimately, Fett's training helped Jaina bring down Caedus, though an Imperial nanovirus attack prevented Fett from ever returning to Mandalore.

My thoughts:
Everyone's favorite mysterious bounty hunter. I've always found it quite amazing that a character that had about 15 seconds of screen time could develop such a cult following.

"Do you need to go on a forum and enthusiate about me for a couple hours? I understand" - Bill Corbett
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Edward J Grug III on January 24, 2019, 07:04:06 PM
What, exactly, is Finn? A bungling stormtrooper? A Jedi? A love interest? Comic relief? Hero?

Well scratch Jedi and change bungling to disillusioned and I think you got it.

Also, you know people/characters can be more than one thing, right?

Just ignore it - He's that weird, sad troll that likes to sign up here every so often.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 24, 2019, 10:01:34 PM
I'd guess you have reasons for saying that from previous stuff. That particular post wasn't trolling, seemed pretty reasonable, just point of view discussion stuff. Ideally we can all get along.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Edward J Grug III on January 24, 2019, 11:44:19 PM
I'd guess you have reasons for saying that from previous stuff. That particular post wasn't trolling, seemed pretty reasonable, just point of view discussion stuff. Ideally we can all get along.

I'm getting a strong deja vu off this - like maybe you said the same thing one of the last times we had to ban him? - but to be clear, it wasn't this comment that got him banned, it's his repeated behaviour going back to at least 2013 (and I deleted all of his other comments this time, except this one which people had been replying to).

Starts off slow, then starts posting hateful, racist, homophobic etc garbage.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 25, 2019, 12:59:09 AM
Ah I see, gotcha.

Grand Moff Tarkin, one of the best characters ever. And Peter Cushing in general, so good. Love him as Frankenstein especially. And Boba Fett is pretty darn cool.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Darth Geek on January 25, 2019, 06:09:55 AM
Peter Cushing was great as Grand Moff Tarkin. Given Darth Vader's immediate dominating presence in the first movie, it take s a lot to be able to effectively be his boss, but Cushing pulls it off.
And I may be in the minority here, but he was even a better villainous presence in Rogue One than the lame middle management guy who was the main villain. I'll take a CGI Peter Cushing over The First Order's Bill Lumbergh any day.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: eegah on January 25, 2019, 04:53:53 PM
#16: Fin

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Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 25, 2019, 06:22:26 PM
I'd guess you have reasons for saying that from previous stuff. That particular post wasn't trolling, seemed pretty reasonable, just point of view discussion stuff. Ideally we can all get along.

I'm getting a strong deja vu off this - like maybe you said the same thing one of the last times we had to ban him? - but to be clear, it wasn't this comment that got him banned, it's his repeated behaviour going back to at least 2013 (and I deleted all of his other comments this time, except this one which people had been replying to).

Starts off slow, then starts posting hateful, racist, homophobic etc garbage.

So that's why his post in the "Yor: Hunter from the Future" forum, which was pretty clever and I "Like"ed, spontaneously vanished.  :-\
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 25, 2019, 06:31:25 PM
If the top spot is who I think it's going to be then I'm gonna be real surprised. I think it's
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Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 25, 2019, 06:36:35 PM
#13: C-3P0

(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/C-3PO-See-Threepio_68fe125c.jpeg?region=0%2C1%2C1408%2C792&width=960)

90 points
8 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #8 Johnny Unusual

From wookiepedia:

C-3PO, sometimes spelled See-Threepio and often referred to as Threepio, was a bipedal, humanoid protocol droid designed to interact with organics, programmed primarily for etiquette and protocol. He was fluent in over six million forms of communication, and developed a fussy and worry-prone personality throughout his many decades of operation. After being destroyed and discarded on the planet Tatooine before 32 BBY, C-3PO was rebuilt; his salvaged nature gave him special qualities that distinguished him from similar droid models. Along with his counterpart, the astromech droid R2-D2, C-3PO constantly found himself directly involved in pivotal moments of galactic history, and aided in saving the galaxy on many occasions. C-3PO considered various droids and organics to be friends of his, and was very dedicated to them, as well as to any master that he served.

Originally activated on Affa in 112 BBY, C-3PO had served as a protocol droid to the emissary of the Manakron system. Nearly eighty years later, he was gutted and discarded on the streets of Mos Espa, a city on the Outer Rim world of Tatooine. After being rebuilt by the Human slave Anakin Skywalker, C-3PO served Skywalker and his mother Shmi for over ten years, performing household chores and helping Skywalker earn his freedom by winning a pod race. Skywalker left Tatooine but returned in 22 BBY when his mother passed away, and C-3PO was given to Skywalker, now a Jedi Padawan, by Shmi's stepson Owen Lars. C-3PO, Skywalker, R2-D2, and the Naboo Senator Padmé Amidala immediately became embroiled in the Clone Wars, a galaxy-wide conflict between the Galactic Republic and the Separatist Confederacy of Independent Systems. Skywalker married Amidala and gave C-3PO to her as a wedding gift, and C-3PO faithfully assisted her in her senatorial duties throughout the three-year conflict. The two often entered the front lines of the war, at times fighting alongside Skywalker and R2-D2.

At the end of the war, Skywalker became a Sith Lord, Amidala passed away, the Jedi Order was exterminated, and the Republic was reorganized into a Galactic Empire. C-3PO's memory was erased, however R2-D2's memory was not. C-3PO and R2-D2 were assigned to the corvette Tantive IV of Alderaan, where they served Alderaan's viceroy Bail Organa for nineteen years. They were, however, separated from Organa during that time period, and got caught up in a wide variety of misadventures, ruining the gangster Tig Fromm, helping restore the Tammuz-an monarchy, and aiding the merchant Mungo Baobab in reviving his family's fortune, among other exploits. After rejoining the crew of the Tantive IV and serving under Captain Raymus Antilles, they became embroiled in the Galactic Civil War, and in 0 BBY, Leia Organa of the Rebel Alliance entrusted them to bring a copy of the Death Star plans to the Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi on Tatooine. After meeting Skywalker's son Luke and the smuggler Han Solo, the droids helped rescue princess Leia from the Empire's Death Star and became directly attached to the three Humans, helping them and their rebellion defeat the Empire and restore freedom to the galaxy.

When the Rebellion became a New Republic, C-3PO continued to serve Luke and the now-married Han & Leia Solo, helping them defeat remnants of the Empire. Notably, C-3PO helped the Solos raise their three children, and aided Luke in recruiting trainees for his New Jedi Order. His translation abilities proved crucial during major incidents on Bakura, the starship Teljkon Vagabond, and in the Kathol sector, and in 17 ABY, he and R2-D2 teamed up with a young mechanic named Cole Fardreamer to foil a plan to bomb the galactic capital of Coruscant. When an extra-galactic race of religious zealots known as the Yuuzhan Vong invaded the galaxy in 25 ABY, C-3PO participated in the four-year conflict that eventually saw the invaders defeated. The destruction wrought by the invaders, and particularly their harsh treatment of droids, caused C-3PO to deeply question his views on deactivation, immortality, and memory erasure. Twelve years later, he began helping raise the latest addition to the Solo/Skywalker clan; the spritely youth Allana.

My thoughts:
The protocol droid which speaks a billion languages. Has appeared in just about every movie. Charming droid but has the effect of getting on people's nerves. Loves to tell the odds.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 25, 2019, 07:02:58 PM
#12: Jabba the Hutt

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91 points
8 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #6 Pak Man

From wookiepedia:

Jabba Desilijic Tiure, better known as Jabba the Hutt and often called "the Bloated One", though never to his face[13], was one of the most notorious Hutt crime lords in the galaxy, who governed a large criminal empire located in the Outer Rim Territories from his desert palace on Tatooine. At the height of his power, Jabba was one of the most powerful crime lords in the galaxy, even having contact with Prince Xizor, the head of the Black Sun Syndicate.

Jabba had started as a small crime lord, but quickly spread his influence into a variety of illegal activities, including spice-smuggling, gunrunning, slavery, and sometimes outright piracy. Known for his cruelty and carnal fancies, Jabba the Hutt was powerful enough to command respect and payment from the Galaxy's ruling government, so much so that during the Clone Wars the Republic went to great lengths to avoid Jabba's displeasure. He later placed a hefty death mark on Han Solo, a former employee of his, after Solo lost a load of spice to an Imperial patrol vessel. He would finally get his revenge on Solo when the carbonite-encased Corellian was delivered to him by Boba Fett, one of the many bounty hunters Jabba was known to employ. However, this mission was Jabba's undoing, as a rescue mission and subsequent battle with Luke Skywalker and his allies resulted in the Hutt's demise at the hands of Leia Organa.

My thoughts:
He gave a us glimpse into the seedy side of the Star Wars universe. Jabba let us know that the universe wasn't all Empire and Rebellion but there was also an outlaw side to the SW universe. I think as a kid he scared me, like he was going to reach out of the TV screen and eat me or something.

"Now here's Rosanne Barr to sing the nation anthem!" - Mike Nelson
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 25, 2019, 07:05:29 PM
If the top spot is who I think it's going to be then I'm gonna be real surprised. I think it's
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'd be surprised if he ISN'T #1.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 25, 2019, 07:35:19 PM
#11: Rey

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97 points
7 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #6 Johnny Unusual

From wookiepedia:

Rey, a Force-sensitive human female, was a scavenger who lived on the forlorn frontier world of Jakku during the era of the New Republic until events drew her into the galactic conflict between the First Order and the Resistance in 34 ABY. Though initially unaware of her connection to the Force, Rey's powers would manifest during the waning days of the cold war, consequently leading her on the path to becoming a Jedi under the guidance of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker.

Born in 15 ABY, Rey spent much of her time in solitude eking out a life as a scavenger and mechanic in the Jakku desert. Abandoned by her parents at an early age, she learned to survive without a family by scavenging various materials from the battlefield site of the last conflict in the Galactic Civil War, all the while honing her skills as a warrior and pilot. Her solitary life was interrupted, however, by the First Order and the Resistance's race to locate Skywalker—a race that led both factions to Rey's homeworld. Compelled to help the Resistance, Rey befriended the astromech droid BB-8 and a renegade stormtrooper named Finn, as well as the war veterans Han Solo and his Wookiee ally Chewbacca. She also found a nemesis in Kylo Ren, the son of Solo who fell to the dark side of the Force and became a champion of the First Order.

With her powers growing at an exponential rate, Rey completed the Resistance's search for Skywalker by tracking him to the planet Ahch-To in the Unknown Regions. Though she hoped to rediscover a living legend, especially in a time when the First Order stood poised to conquer the galaxy following the destruction of the New Republic, Rey instead found an embittered hermit who chose to live in exile after failing to prevent his nephew Ren's fall from the light side of the Force. Faced with a reluctant teacher whose final goal was to die as the last of the Jedi Order, Rey increasingly turned to Ren in whom she placed her faith as the galaxy's last hope. Through the Force-bond that bridged their minds across millions of light-years, Rey sensed the conflict within the former Ben Solo and was convinced that he could be redeemed with her help.

The bond turned to be a trap set by Ren's master, Supreme Leader Snoke, and Rey nearly paid for it with her life and that of Skywalker. In spite of Rey's hopes for Ren, even as they briefly fought side by side, he used the assassination of Snoke as an opportunity to become the new Supreme Leader of the First Order. Disillusioned by the outcome, Rey refused Ren's entreaty to forge a new order separate from the legacies of the Jedi and Sith, and became rivals once more. Shortly afterward, Skywalker sacrificed his life at the Battle of Crait, allowing Rey to deliver the Resistance from total destruction at the hands of Ren's army.

My thoughts:
The maine heroine in the new movies. I was extremely curious as to how the characters would stack up against the old ones in the list, kind of like how I wonder how Jonah's MST3k episodes will stack up against the "classic" hosts. Her story with Kylo Ren carried The Last Jedi. I think my favorite thing about Rey is her theme music. It combines mysteriousness and adventure in a rather haunting way.

https://www.youtube.com/v/65As1V0vQDM

"Rather eccentric in her methods, but as an exterminator brother she is the best"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 25, 2019, 08:14:00 PM
Gratuitous MST3k Reference

https://www.youtube.com/v/7FsXqidZgG4
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 26, 2019, 10:04:24 AM
#10: Emperor Palpatine

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120 points
7 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #2 Linszoid

From wookiepedia:

Darth Sidious, a Force-sensitive human male, was the Dark Lord of the Sith who founded the Galactic Empire after toppling its predecessor, the Galactic Republic from within. Prior to his term as Supreme Chancellor and subsequent reign as the Galactic Emperor, Sidious was born approximately eighty-four years before the Battle of Yavin and given the name Sheev Palpatine during the Age of the Republic. A native of the Mid Rim planet Naboo, Palpatine pursued a career in politics and eventually became his homeworld's representative in the Galactic Senate. Although he cultivated the persona of an honest and trustworthy public servant, Senator Palpatine was an ambitious Sith Lord who learned the ways of the dark side of the Force during his secret apprenticeship under Darth Plagueis. Following in a lineage of Dark Lords that began with Darth Bane, who reformed the Sith a millennium prior to the Fall of the Republic, Sidious spent years conspiring to restore his Order to galactic dominance. After killing his Sith Master, he trained an apprentice of his own, the Dathomirian assassin Darth Maul in accordance with the Rule of Two—Bane's decree that there should only be two Sith Lords at any given time.

In 32 BBY the Trade Federation invaded Naboo under Sidious' orders. Using the situation to his advantage, he manipulated his monarch, Queen Padmé Amidala into leading the Senate to remove Chancellor Finis Valorum from office, thereby enabling Palpatine to replace him as the next and last Supreme Chancellor of the Republic. Despite the loss of his apprentice during the Battle of Naboo, Sidious' plans proceeded apace with the aid of Maul's replacement—the fallen Jedi Master Count Dooku, who assumed the name of Darth Tyranus after turning away from the Jedi Order he once served. Together, Master and apprentice engineered a secessionist movement that tore the thousand-year democratic union asunder, leaving the galaxy divided and on the brink of war between the Republic and the newly-formed Confederacy of Independent Systems. Hence, in 22 BBY the galaxy fell into a state open war for the first time since the formation of the Republic. Having masterminded the conflict, Sidious was able to control both governments throughout the Clone Wars. Near the war's end in 19 BBY, several members of the Jedi High Council moved to arrest the Chancellor upon discovering his true identity as the Dark Lord. The attempt ultimately failed, however, due to the Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, whom Sidious influenced into betraying the Jedi. Replacing the late Tyranus with Skywalker, who adopted the name of Darth Vader as Sidious' third and final apprentice, the Sith Lords initiated Order 66 and, therefore, began a systematic purge that all but annihilated the Jedi Order.

After the fall of the Jedi, the Clone Wars ended with Sidious' ascension as Emperor of the First Galactic Empire. Under the New Order program, the last vestiges of the Republic gradually disappeared. In 0 BBY the Emperor formally disbanded the Imperial Senate and would henceforth rule by delegating authority to an upper cadre of regional governors known as Moffs, such as Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin. Shortly afterward, however, the Death Star—a moon-sized battle station with the capacity to obliterate entire planets—was destroyed by the Alliance to Restore the Republic in the Battle of Yavin. As the galaxy fell into another state of all-out war, known as the Galactic Civil War, the Emperor tasked his apprentice to hunt down and eradicate the Rebels, all the while constructing a second Death Star in the Endor system. Despite the challenge to his reign, Sidious grew increasingly occupied by his fascination with the Unknown Regions and, therefore, commissioned the exploration of that vast region of space. By then, Sidious also learned that Vader sired a son, Luke Skywalker, who trained to become a Jedi Knight like his father before him. Sensing an opportunity to replace his hobbled disciple with a younger and stronger pupil, Sidious tried to turn the aspiring Jedi to the dark side and even manipulated him into dueling with Vader during the Battle of Endor in 4 ABY. However, in failing to turn Skywalker from the light side of the Force, he unleashed the power of the dark side by torturing the young Jedi with a barrage of Force lightning. But the agony he inflicted on his apprentice's son caused the former Anakin Skywalker to overthrow his dark Master at the cost of his own life, resulting in the complete destruction of the Sith as foretold in the prophecy of the Chosen One.

While Sidious had been defeated, the Empire would attempt to maintain the charade of his survival, while struggling to fill the void left by his absence. But Sidious had never intended to be replaced. Prior to his demise, he created the Contingency to seemingly destroy the Empire in the event of his death, propagating the idea that Sidious believed the Empire did not deserve to survive without its Emperor. As a consequence, the Imperial remnants were further weakened and less able to resist the New Republic during the waning days of the Galactic Civil War. Ultimately, the Empire capitulated the war after the Battle of Jakku in 5 ABY, ending the era founded by Darth Sidious. Following his death, Sidious' legacy became the base of what became the First Order, a hermit state led by Supreme Leader Snoke, who was also a practitioner of the dark side of the Force. The reign of Snoke would untimely end with his death at the hands of his own apprentice and Skywalker's grandson Kylo Ren, who succeeded his master as the new Supreme Leader, desiring to let the past die along with the Jedi and the Sith.

My thoughts:
Probably one of my favorite bad guys in all film and media. I always liked the "Wizard" look in a sci-fi film. Somehow it just works so well. Watching Palpatine in the prequels also helped fuel my distrust of real life politicians.

"Be careful of your friend Palpatine"
"And your pal Friendpatine".
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 26, 2019, 01:09:57 PM
This list is really not coming out exactly as I expected, especially with C3-PO being so highly ranked. I found him absolutely insufferable in episodes 1 and 2, which is part of the reason I completely left him off my list.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Charles Castle on January 26, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
Why would you expect the combined list to turn out like your own?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 26, 2019, 01:26:54 PM
Say what you will about the prequels, but they did a good job of setting up Palpatine, and how the Empire, and its Emperor, came to be. Ian McDiarmid had to be made to look substantially older for Return of the Jedi. But when the prequels rolled around, he was actually the right age to play Palpatine. It all just makes one wonder, how much did Lucas have planned out in advance, and how much was made up as they went along.

At least there definitely was a plan... 
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 26, 2019, 01:38:23 PM
Why would you expect the combined list to turn out like your own?
No, not EXACTLY like my own, I just think it's puzzling how characters like Jabba, Salacious Crumb, C3PO and so on are so highly ranked above certain others. Just makes me want to go "Really? You really like this character that much?". Look, Charles it's just a matter of opinion, my opinion and it carries no more weight than anyone else's.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Charles Castle on January 26, 2019, 02:20:50 PM
For sure. I suspect that if you ever get more than one mind in on a topic you are probably in for a surprise, especially on a topic with as many characters as Star Wars.

Jabba? 3PO? Hell. even Salacious Crumb. Those characters have been getting major amounts of fan love for 35-40 years. I didn't put Boba Fett on my list because I, uh, don't care about Boba Fett, but I fully expected to see him high on the list.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Charles Castle on January 26, 2019, 02:36:09 PM
#19: Grand Admiral Thrawn

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65 points
4 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #3 Charles Castle
Grand Admiral Thrawn is a fantastic, and pretty remarkably (for Star Wars) fleshed out character. I loved the idea of him studying the art of various civilizations across the galaxy in order to understand their cultures, how to interact with and manipulate them. He did not rule through fear like Palpatine, but rather earned the loyalty of his subordinates.

Those novels were a really big deal for me as a teen.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 26, 2019, 03:01:53 PM
Thrawn is one character I regret leaving off my list. I just didn't know a whole lot about him and that lack of knowledge had me replace one character with another.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 26, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
#9: Lando Calrissian

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132 points
10 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #6 RVR II

From wookiepedia:

Lando Calrissian was a human male smuggler, gambler, and card player who became Baron Administrator of Cloud City and, later, a general in the Rebel Alliance. He was the owner of the Millennium Falcon before losing it to Han Solo in a game of sabacc on Numidian Prime. After losing the Falcon, Calrissian put an end to his days as a smuggler and became an entrepreneur, setting up a small mining operation on the planet Lothal before eventually becoming the leader of Cloud City in the skies of the planet Bespin.

During the Galactic Civil War, Darth Vader arrived on Cloud City in order to lay a trap for his son, Luke Skywalker. As part of the trap, the Dark Lord of the Sith forced Calrissian into tricking a group of Rebels, including Solo and Princess Leia Organa, leading them to Vader himself. Though Vader promised to leave Cloud City without an Imperial presence, Calrissian felt the deal had been altered to the point where he could no longer tolerate it. Calrissian alerted his citizens to the Galactic Empire's presence and impending occupation, and he ordered an evacuation. He helped the Rebels try to rescue Solo, who had been frozen in carbonite, from Boba Fett, but the bounty hunter escaped.

Calrissian joined the Rebel Alliance and set out to find Solo. After locating him in the palace of Jabba the Hutt on Tatooine, Calrissian aided in his rescue. The Rebels returned to the fleet and Calrissian became a general, volunteering to lead the assault on the Death Star II during the Battle of Endor. During the battle, he piloted the Millennium Falcon into the battle station's core, firing the shot which destroyed it.

My thoughts:
The charming rogue played by Billy Dee Williams and later by Donald Glover. Glover nailed the role in Solo. Card player, scoundrel, you'd like him.

"Lando is not a system he's a black guy; in fact I think he may be the only black guy in the galaxy." - Family Guy
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 26, 2019, 04:35:55 PM
Why would you expect the combined list to turn out like your own?
No, not EXACTLY like my own, I just think it's puzzling how characters like Jabba, Salacious Crumb, C3PO and so on are so highly ranked above certain others. Just makes me want to go "Really? You really like this character that much?". Look, Charles it's just a matter of opinion, my opinion and it carries no more weight than anyone else's.

Have you ever run one of these? After a while you get a feel for how people tend to vote. I, like several others, tend to skew my more oddball choices towards the top, just to insure they make the list somewhere. I don't actually think Jek Tono Porkins is the best SW character  :-\
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 26, 2019, 05:11:36 PM
#8: R2-D2

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140 points
10 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #3 MartyS

From wookiepedia
:
R2-D2, pronounced Artoo-Detoo and often referred to as R2(Artoo), was an R2 series astromech droid manufactured by Industrial Automaton with masculine programming. A smart, spunky droid serving a multitude of masters over its lifetime, R2 never had a full memory wipe (apart from a partial mind-wipe by Cad Bane during the buildup to the senate hostage crisis) nor has he received new programming, with these factors resulting in an adventurous and independent attitude. Oftentimes finding himself in pivotal moments in galactic history, his bravery and ingenuity saved the galaxy time and time again.

Beginning his service in the employ of Queen Amidala of Naboo, the droid would wind up serving Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker during the waning years of the Galactic Republic, often accompanied by the protocol droid C-3PO in many adventures throughout the Clone Wars. After his master's turn to the dark side of the Force, he would eventually serve Senator Bail Organa for a time in the Imperial Senate. Nineteen years following the death of the Galactic Republic, he would play a pivotal role in helping the Alliance to Restore the Republic destroy the Empire's dreaded Death Star, carrying technical readouts essential to its destruction. Serving Jedi Purge survivor Luke Skywalker throughout the Galactic Civil War, he would participate in both the Battles of Hoth and Endor, and would witness the destruction of the Empire's dreaded Death Star II a mere four years after the first space station's destruction.

In the subsequent thirty years, Artoo would accompany Luke Skywalker until the destruction of his attempted resurrection of the Jedi Order. Following Luke's disappearance, Artoo set himself into a self-imposed low power mode as newer droid models started to out-compute the aging astromech. Despite this, his celebrated role in the Rebellion protected him from the usual recycling procedure of many old droids, allowing him a peaceful semi-retirement in the Resistance as he pored over several decades of uninterrupted data, causing him to 'dream' of many of his greatest adventures.

My thoughts:

For a bot that only beeps, they got a LOT of mileage out of him. But who doesn't love R2? I think everyone wants a plucky robot companion that has a knack for saving the day and getting you out of trouble. May he fly again someday.

"Hello" - Luke
"I stood next to your mother as she died" - Rifftrax(as R2)
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 26, 2019, 07:30:04 PM
Have you ever run one of these? After a while you get a feel for how people tend to vote. I, like several others, tend to skew my more oddball choices towards the top, just to insure they make the list somewhere. I don't actually think Jek Tono Porkins is the best SW character  :-\
Interesting. Yeah I tend to be more of a traditionalist when I assemble my lists. Sometimes I'll vote something toward or near the top but only because in my heart I honestly believe who/what really deserves that top spot.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 26, 2019, 09:46:13 PM
Lotta great characters here, Emperor Palpatine in particular is a fav of mine. Such a unique villain and performance, he's great. All very memorable characters.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 27, 2019, 06:48:06 AM

Have you ever run one of these? After a while you get a feel for how people tend to vote. I, like several others, tend to skew my more oddball choices towards the top, just to insure they make the list somewhere. I don't actually think Jek Tono Porkins is the best SW character  :-\

I vote honestly as I can. I'd rather not try to skew things into my favour and try to game the system and let my choices stand for myself.  If other people don't feel the same way, fine.  I can just try to talk up entries I voted for and didn't make it when I post my list.  However, there are times when I struggle and question "am I putting ___ over ____ because I genuinely like them more or because I believe I could".  This often happens with choices I like intellectually/in principle against "I just like them" and even then, I question how much I do.  Lot of soul searching sometimes.

And my #25 is sometimes used for a silly or oddball choice that I'd be delighted to see make it but wouldn't lose sleep over.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 27, 2019, 12:21:24 PM
#7: Chewbacca

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145 points
10 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #1 MartyS

From wookiepedia:

Chewbacca, known affectionately to his friends as Chewie, was a Wookiee warrior, smuggler, and resistance fighter who fought in the Clone Wars, the Galactic Civil War, and the conflict between the First Order and the Resistance. He hailed from the planet Kashyyyk and became a Wookiee military leader. During the Clone Wars, he was captured by Trandoshan slavers and held captive on Wasskah, but he worked with a fellow captive, Jedi Commander Ahsoka Tano, to escape. He later commanded Wookiee forces during the Battle of Kashyyyk alongside the Grand Army of the Republic, led by Jedi Master Yoda. During the battle, one of the last ones of the war, Yoda's clone troopers received Order 66 from Supreme Chancellor Palpatine and, with the help of Chewbacca, Yoda escaped Kashyyyk and the destruction of the Jedi Order.

In the years that followed, during the rule of the Galactic Empire, Chewbacca became a smuggler and the co-pilot of Captain Han Solo aboard the Millennium Falcon. They worked in the employ of crime lord Jabba Desilijic Tiure until Solo was forced to dump a shipment of spice to avoid trouble with the Empire, at which point a bounty was placed on their heads. Soon thereafter, Chewbacca and Solo were hired by Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi to ferry him, Luke Skywalker, C-3PO, and R2-D2 to Alderaan on a mission vital to the survival of the Alliance to Restore the Republic. After finding Alderaan was destroyed, the group was brought aboard the Death Star, where they helped Princess Leia Organa escape from captivity and return to the Rebel base on Yavin 4. Though Chewbacca and Solo initially chose to leave Yavin 4 and not join the Rebellion, they ended up fighting in the Battle of Yavin and were instrumental in Skywalker's destruction of the Death Star, a major victory for the Rebellion.

Throughout the war, Chewbacca and Solo fought the Empire in a number of engagements, including an assault on Cymoon 1 and the battle on Vrogas Vas. Along with Princess Organa and C-3PO, they escaped from Echo Base on the planet Hoth after the Empire tracked the Rebel Alliance there. The group sought refuge with Lando Calrissian, an old friend of Solo's, on Cloud City, but Calrissian betrayed them and turned them over to Darth Vader, the Emperor's chief enforcer, after his city was threatened. Solo was frozen in carbonite and Calrissian helped the others escape, but they were too late to save the frozen Solo from being taken by Boba Fett to Jabba the Hutt. Chewbacca and Calrissian set off to find Solo and located him in Jabba's Palace on Tatooine, where Chewbacca and his friends saved Solo and destroyed Jabba. Shortly thereafter, they fought in the Battle of Endor, where Chewbacca helped destroy the shield generator and allowed the Alliance Fleet to destroy the Death Star II. The Emperor was killed aboard the battle station, delivering a crippling blow to the Empire.

After Endor and the rise of the New Republic, Chewbacca and Solo fought to liberate Kashyyyk from the Empire. When the war finally came to a close, Chewbacca returned home to Kashyyyk with his family. After Solo's son Ben, turned to the dark side and destroyed Skywalker's new generation of Jedi, Chewbacca reunited with his old friend and the two spent many years as smugglers once more. They lost the Millennium Falcon and ended up smuggling aboard a ship called the Eravana, but they eventually found the Falcon and, with it, stowaways named Rey, Finn, and the droid BB-8. The droid had part of a map that led to the exiled Luke Skywalker, so the group brought the map to the Resistance that opposed the First Order, which had risen from the ashes of the Galactic Empire. Chewbacca soon fought in the assault to destroy Starkiller Base, a devastating First Order superweapon, a conflict in which Solo lost his life at the hands of his son. After the base was destroyed, Chewbacca joined Rey in traveling to the planet Ahch-To on the Falcon, where they found Luke Skywalker. After Solo's death, Chewbacca often served as the sole pilot of the Falcon, including piloting the ship to aid the Resistance during the Battle of Crait.

My thoughts:
At last we have the mighty Chewbacca. Son of Itchy and father of Lumpy. Faithful companion and the conscience of Han Solo. So strong that they had to drop a planet on him in the Legends books. He's kind of the intelligent pet we all wanted.

"Sure give the welding torch to the highly combustible man-ape"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 27, 2019, 02:30:25 PM
#6: Obi Wan Kenobi

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152 points
9 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #3 RVR II

From wookiepedia:

Obi-Wan Kenobi, later known as Ben Kenobi during his exile, was a Force-sensitive human male Jedi Master who served the Galactic Republic. He was a mentor and close friend to both Anakin Skywalker and his son, Luke, training them in the ways of the Force.

Born on the planet Stewjon, Kenobi became the Padawan learner of Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn. Kenobi then became the first Jedi in a millennium to defeat a Sith Lord when he defeated Darth Maul during the Battle of Naboo. During the battle, Jinn was mortally wounded by Maul, and perished in Kenobi's arms. At Jinn's behest, Kenobi took Anakin Skywalker to be his own Padawan, training him during the decade leading up to the Clone Wars.

During the Clone Wars, Skywalker was made a Jedi Knight while Kenobi (as a result of his military successes in the Outer Rim) was granted the title of Master and named to the Jedi Council. The two Jedi fought alongside each other as generals many times. In the last days of the Clone Wars, Skywalker turned to the dark side, betraying the Jedi. Skywalker's new Sith Master, Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, used Order 66 to destroy the Jedi Order, though Kenobi survived and reunited with another survivor, Grand Master Yoda. Kenobi confronted Skywalker, who had now taken the name Darth Vader, on Mustafar, and the two dueled. Kenobi emerged the victor, gravely wounding Vader and remorsefully leaving him for dead. However, as Palpatine established the Galactic Empire in place of the Galactic Republic, Vader was rehabilitated, though he was forced to rely on a cybernetic suit for life support. Kenobi went into exile on Tatooine, where he would watch over Vader's newborn son, Luke Skywalker, who he took to live with his aunt and uncle, Beru and Owen Lars.

Seventeen years into his exile, he eventually confronted his old enemy Maul, who he again defeated in a brief duel. As the former Sith lay dying in Kenobi's arms, the two finally made peace, and Maul stated that Luke would avenge them both.

In 0 BBY, Kenobi received a message via R2-D2 from Leia Organa asking for help in the Rebel Alliance's fight against the Empire. The droid contained the plans to the Death Star, a battle station created by the Empire capable of destroying planets, and the plans needed to be taken to Bail Organa on Alderaan. After Luke Skywalker's aunt and uncle were killed by Imperial forces searching for the plans, Skywalker agreed to join Kenobi on this mission and be trained as a Jedi. The pair were taken to Alderaan by Han Solo, only for them to discover that the planet had been destroyed by the Death Star. Their ship, the Millennium Falcon, was captured by the Death Star's tractor beam, and Kenobi was confronted by Darth Vader. Vader and Kenobi dueled again, and Kenobi allowed Vader to kill him so that Luke and his companions could escape the Death Star.

In the following years, as Luke continued fighting for the Rebel Alliance, Kenobi continued to give him guidance as a Force spirit, including directing Luke to the planet Dagobah, where Luke received training from one of Obi-Wan's Masters, Yoda.

My thoughts:
Obi Wan Kenobi. Everyone loved Alec Guinness's performance even if Alec wasn't totally on board with the project. He was the mentor that guided the hero on the path to greatness. I thought this character was particularly served well by the prequel trilogies as we get to see him grow from a Padawan into a Jedi Master. He really helps tie the trilogies together.
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Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 27, 2019, 02:52:34 PM
Gotta love Chewie. I have a Chewbacca folder set up sort of like a poster/art-piece, it classes up the room. And Obi-Wan is great.
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Post by: linszoid on January 27, 2019, 03:10:45 PM
Gotta love Chewie. I have a Chewbacca folder set up sort of like a poster/art-piece, it classes up the room. And Obi-Wan is great.

My brother once had a life size cardboard cut-out of Boba Fett. Apparently it scared a maid that once entered to clean his room.
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Post by: linszoid on January 27, 2019, 03:19:58 PM
#5: Luke Skywalker

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178 points
10 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #1 PyschoGoatee

From wookiepedia:

Luke Skywalker, a Force-sensitive human male, was a Jedi Knight who fought for the Alliance to Restore the Republic during the Galactic Civil War. The son of Jedi General Anakin Skywalker and Senator Padmé Amidala, Skywalker was born in the year 19 BBY—two days after the end of the Clone Wars and the birth of the Galactic Empire—alongside his twin sister, Leia Amidala Skywalker. With the galaxy under the dominion of the Sith, the Skywalker siblings were separated at birth. Luke was sent to live with his relatives on the Outer Rim planet Tatooine while Leia was adopted into the House of Organa and raised as a princess of Alderaan. For two decades Skywalker had no knowledge of his Jedi heritage or his connection to the Force until a fateful encounter with Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi in 0 BBY. Through Kenobi, Skywalker learned that his father was once a Jedi Knight of the Old Republic and ultimately sought to follow in Anakin's example by becoming a Jedi as well.

With the aid of the smugglers Han Solo and Chewbacca, Skywalker and Kenobi embarked on a journey to Alderaan only to be captured and taken aboard the Death Star, the Empire's moon-sized battle station that possessed the capacity to destroy entire planets. Upon learning that Princess Leia Organa was also a prisoner aboard the station, Skywalker and his allies took the opportunity to rescue the Alderaanian royal but at the cost of his mentor Kenobi, who became one with the Force as a result of a final duel with his one-time apprentice, the fallen Jedi-turned-Sith Lord Darth Vader. Committing himself to the cause of the Rebellion, Skywalker participated in the Battle of Yavin where he succeeded in destroying the Death Star. As his powers continued to grow, Skywalker journeyed to Dagobah where he hoped to complete his training under Yoda, the last Grand Master of the Jedi Order. However, Vader exploited Skywalker's emotional attachment to his friends, using them as bait to lure the young Jedi hopeful out of hiding. The result was a duel on Cloud City, Bespin where Skywalker was defeated and maimed by the Sith Lord. Vader, who was keenly aware of the boy's immense potential in the Force, revealed that he was, in fact, Anakin Skywalker. He beseeched Skywalker to join him, insisting that they could rule the galaxy together as father and son, but Skywalker refused and was able to regroup with the Rebels.

Skywalker eventually came to terms with the revelation that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were one and the same. However, in spite of Vader's immersion in the dark side, Skywalker perceived the goodness that endured within his father and was convinced that he could be restored to the light side of the Force. In 4 ABY he confronted his father for the last time but was then brought before Vader's Sith Master, Darth Sidious, the reigning Dark Lord of the Sith and Galactic Emperor. The Emperor goaded Skywalker by tempting him with the dark side, resulting in a final duel in which Skywalker prevailed against Vader yet remained steadfast in his commitment to the Jedi way by refusing to strike down his own father. Angered by this turn of events, the Emperor tortured the self-proclaimed Jedi Knight with a torrent of Force lightning while Vader was forced to watch his son writhe in agony. To the Emperor's surprise, however, Vader did indeed turn as his son had hoped, ending Sidious' life but at the cost of his own. The deaths of the last two Sith Lords brought the Force back into balance, thereby fulfilling the ancient Jedi prophecy that foretold the destruction of the Sith. By sacrificing his life, Luke's father found redemption in his final moments of life and therefore died in the light as Anakin Skywalker—the Chosen One of the Force.

By the end of the Galactic Civil War in 5 ABY, Skywalker stood as the last of the Jedi. Yoda's dying wish was that Skywalker would pass on his lessons to a new generation of Jedi Knights; therefore, Skywalker ultimately founded a training temple where he served as the Jedi Master of a dozen students. Among his acolytes was the young but powerful Ben Solo, his sister's son from her marriage to Han Solo. For a time Skywalker believed that the Jedi Order would, in fact, rise again with the younger Solo as his eventual successor. It was Skywalker's hope that he would not die as the last Jedi, but then he gradually came to sense the rising darkness within Solo and grew fearful for the people he loved. For a brief moment, Skywalker considered ending Solo's life before his dark future could come to pass, causing Solo to lash out by destroying the temple and slaughtering the other apprentices. Losing his nephew to the dark side filled Skywalker with shame and remorse; disillusioned by the destruction of his life's work, he elected to live out his remaining years in exile on Ahch-To, the lost homeworld of the Jedi Order, as a hermit. Though he fully intended to remain outside of the galactic conflict between the First Order and the Resistance, Skywalker ultimately embraced his heritage once more, sacrificing his life in 34 ABY in order to save his sister's movement. Skywalker passed away into the Force, but his legend would spread across the galaxy, bringing hope to the enemies of the First Order. In addition, the Jedi Order did not die with him as Rey, a scavenger from Jakku, inherited the mantle of the Jedi upon Skywalker's death.

My thoughts:
He was probably the character every kid in the 70s and 80s wanted to be. Who the heck didn't want to imagine that they had some special power inside them and that they had a special destiny? Who didn't want to pilot an Xwing and blow up Tie Fighters and Death Stars? The new movies may have taken the character in a contreversial direction but I still want to see Luke as some kind of awesome force ghost that torments Kylo Ren (note that the last sentence was speculation on my part and I haven't been reading any episode 9 spoilers)

"By the way, I got you a cell phone for Father's Day -- it's hands-free. BURN!" - Bill Corbett as Luke
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Post by: Russoguru on January 27, 2019, 04:07:02 PM
WoW  :o Luke is ONLY number 5??? This is one of those rare situations where I can only think of at most two, MAYBE three characters worthy of being ranked higher.
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Post by: linszoid on January 27, 2019, 04:13:55 PM
Competition at the top was fierce. At 178 points Luke would've qualified for first in many lists. I think the top entry in the Star Trek list only got 150ish points or so.
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Post by: linszoid on January 27, 2019, 04:16:24 PM
That's it for tonight. I'm hoping to finish on Tuesday but I do start a new job tomorrow so hopefully that won't throw a wrench in things.
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Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 27, 2019, 10:20:38 PM
Good stuff! Luke is such a great multi-faceted protagonist, especially since Hamill brings a pretty unique presence and charisma to the role. And always fun to see some characters on every list.
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Post by: linszoid on January 28, 2019, 06:31:46 PM
#4: Yoda

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185 points
10 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #1 Pak-Man

From wookiepedia:

Yoda, a Force-sensitive male member of a mysterious species, was a legendary Jedi Master who witnessed the rise and fall of the Galactic Republic, as well as the rise of the Galactic Empire. An ancient Jedi revered for his advanced age and wisdom, Yoda served as Grand Master of the Jedi Order during the latter days of the Republic and also held a seat on the Jedi High Council along with other legendary masters such as Mace Windu and Ki-Adi-Mundi. For over eight-hundred years, he mentored others in the ways of the Force and had a hand in the training of many Jedi during their time as younglings.

Approximately thirty-two years before the Battle of Yavin, Anakin Skywalker was presented as the Chosen One to the High Council by Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn. Although the former slave from Tatooine demonstrated exceptional sensitivity to the Force, Yoda and his colleagues declined to train him due to the fear they sensed within him. The High Council later reversed its decision in the wake of Jinn's death despite the dissenting opinion of Yoda, who sensed that Skywalker represented grave danger to the future of the Jedi Order. Over the next decade, the galaxy became increasingly destabilized by a secessionist movement that threatened to tear the Republic asunder. When it became evident that the Confederacy of Independent Systems intended to secede from the Republic by force of arms, Yoda oversaw the deployment of thousands of clone troopers to Geonosis, where the first battle of the Clone Wars commenced.

As a Jedi General of the Grand Army of the Republic, Yoda's time was spent directing the Jedi in their new role as wartime leaders, negotiating with potential allies such as King Katuunko of Toydaria, and leading clones on the battlefield against the Separatist Droid Army. By the third year of the galactic conflict, the Jedi discovered that Darth Sidious and Supreme Chancellor Sheev Palpatine were one and the same. Yoda's colleagues on the High Council moved to arrest the Sith Lord, but Skywalker's betrayal thwarted their efforts and led to the start of the Jedi Purge through Order 66. Across the galaxy, the Jedi Knights and their apprentices fell victim to the secret kill order that the clones had been programmed to obey. Yoda survived the attempt on his life, however, but later fled into exile after failing to kill the self-appointed Galactic Emperor.

The Grand Master spent the last two decades of his life on the planet Dagobah, where he was found by Anakin's son, Luke Skywalker, who endeavored to complete his training in the Jedi arts. On his deathbed, Yoda confirmed that Luke's father had become Darth Vader—the Emperor's apprentice in the dark side of the Force. After a lifespan of nine-hundred years, Yoda succumbed to death, shedding his mortal coil and becoming one with the Force. Shortly afterward, the prophecy of the Chosen One was realized when Vader killed his Sith Master at the cost of his own life in order to save his son. This act of self-sacrifice allowed the late Yoda to preserve the Anakin's consciousness in the Force. As the Rebel Alliance celebrated their victory over the Empire, Luke saw the spirits of his mentors, Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi, standing beside a redeemed Anakin Skywalker as they watched over him and his friends.

Yoda would again visit the realm of the living from the Netherworld of the Force roughly thirty years after the Battle of Endor. By then, Jedi Master Luke Skywalker was a broken man who lived as a hermit on Ahch-To. It had been Yoda's dying wish to see Skywalker restore the Jedi Order by passing on what he had learned to a new generation of Jedi Knights. Skywalker made the attempt, but the fall of his gifted nephew, Ben Solo, all but destroyed his plans, leading him to believe that it was time for the Jedi to end. With Yoda's help, Skywalker overcame his guilt and subsequently became one with the Force, passing the mantle of the Jedi to the Jakku scavenger Rey.

My thoughts:
The muppet that was a Jedi master, and later CGI. Also has one of my favorite musical themes. Definitely one of my favorite characters and adds variety to the SW universe. Also good example not judging people by appearance. His appearance was probably my favorite scenes in The Last Jedi

"If as Yoda says, size is no issue. Why can't he levitate all the imperial ships into the sun?" - Chad Vader
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Post by: Russoguru on January 28, 2019, 06:42:53 PM
I'm guessing that even with the power of the force, that even the best Jedi/Sith has a limit to how far their powers can go. We saw that in The Last Jedi it took Lukes life just for him to force project himself onto the surface of Crait for a few minutes.
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Post by: CJones on January 28, 2019, 11:42:53 PM
"If as Yoda says, size is no issue. Why can't he levitate all the imperial ships into the sun?" - Chad Vader

Midichlorians.
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Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 29, 2019, 12:57:34 AM
Yoda rocks!
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 29, 2019, 12:09:09 PM
Yoda rocks!
And he even taught Luke how to lift them.
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Post by: linszoid on January 29, 2019, 01:35:44 PM
#3: Princess Leia

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187 points
10 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #2 PyschoGoatee

From wookiepedia:

Leia Organa, a Force-sensitive human female, was a princess of Alderaan, a member of the Imperial Senate, a leader of the Alliance to Restore the Republic, a member of the Galactic Senate, and general of the Resistance. Born alongside her twin brother, Luke Skywalker in the year 19 BBY as Leia Amidala Skywalker, she was the daughter of the Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker and Senator Padmé Amidala of Naboo. As a result of her father's fall to the dark side of the Force, the Skywalker children were separated with Leia becoming the adopted daughter of Senator Bail Organa and his wife, Queen Breha Organa, who renamed her Princess Leia Organa. Raised with the values of her adoptive parents, Organa supported the principles of the Galactic Republic and opposed the rule of its successor, the Galactic Empire. Despite succeeding to her adoptive father's post in the Imperial Senate, Organa worked in secret to undermine the Empire's operations and was entrusted with the stolen plans to the Death Star, an Imperial superweapon capable of destroying entire planets. Although she was unable to prevent the annihilation of her adopted homeworld, the plans were ultimately delivered to the Rebel Alliance, resulting in the destruction of the Death Star during the Battle of Yavin in 0 BBY.

Organa became a leading figure in the Alliance, participating in key events such as the Battle of Hoth in 3 ABY and the decisive Battle of Endor in 4 ABY. She also killed the Hutt crime lord Jabba Desilijic Tiure, earning her the title of "Huttslayer." With the deaths of Emperor Palpatine and his apprentice, Darth Vader, the biological father of Organa and her brother, the Empire was defeated at the Battle of Jakku and subsequently forced to capitulate to the New Republic in 5 ABY. Having achieved her lifelong goal to overthrow the Empire and restore freedom to the galaxy, Organa settled down in an effort to start a family with her husband, the smuggler-turned-Rebel, Han Solo. She gave birth to their son, Ben Solo, on the day that marked the end of the Galactic Civil War. However, like his mother, Ben was born inherently strong with the Force due to his biological connection to the Chosen One, Anakin Skywalker. Due to the similarities between Ben and his grandfather, Organa placed her son in the custody of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker in the hope that Ben would not turn to the dark side as Vader once did.

As a senator of the New Republic, Organa opposed the Senate's lack of response to the rise of the First Order, a successor of the Empire in all but name. Sidelined by a new generation of political leaders, Organa founded the Resistance to monitor the activities of the First Order. By then, Organa's son had turned to the dark side and destroyed Skywalker's efforts to fully restore the Jedi Order. Adopting the persona of Kylo Ren, the former Ben Solo became the apprentice of Supreme Leader Snoke, although his mother remained hopeful that the light side of the Force still existed within her son. It was at Organa's request that her estranged husband attempt to bring Ren home, resulting in Han Solo's death at the hands of their son. Ren's parricidal actions caused Organa to lose faith in her son, believing he was indeed beyond the hope of redemption. At the same time, the First Order had risen with the intent of conquering the known galaxy in the wake of the Republic's collapse, leaving the Resistance alone in its war against the Empire's successor. Following the near destruction of the Resistance at the Battle of Crait, Organa retreated from the First Order with a handful of survivors aboard her late husband's starship, the Millennium Falcon.

My thoughts:
Probably the biggest question about episode 9 is how they will handle Princess Leia with Carrie Fisher's unfortunate passing. Carrie brought a feisty attitude to the role while still being intelligent and loving. She also has a great theme to boot.

"And there we have it: the costume that makes attending Comic-Con bearable." - Bill Corbett
"And in a few outlying cases much, much worse." - Kevin Murphy
"Oh, you saw that guy too?" - Bill Corbett
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Post by: CJones on January 29, 2019, 02:51:51 PM
Man Linszoid. I didn't think anyone had the Star Wars riffs burned into their brain as much as me, but I was wrong  ;D
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Post by: linszoid on January 29, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
Man Linszoid. I didn't think anyone had the Star Wars riffs burned into their brain as much as me, but I was wrong  ;D

I watched some of the movies with Rifftrax and jotted down some riffs while making this list. Otherwise I watched "best of" clips on youtubes.
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Post by: linszoid on January 29, 2019, 03:36:50 PM
#2: Darth Vader

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192 points
10 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #1 Linszoid and stethacantus

From wookiepedia:

Anakin Skywalker, a Force-sensitive human male, was a Jedi Knight of the Galactic Republic and the Chosen One of the Force. During the Clone Wars, his accomplishments as a battlefield commander earned him the Hero With No Fear moniker. After turning to the dark side of the Force, he became known as Darth Vader—Dark Lord of the Sith and apprentice to Emperor Darth Sidious. As a Sith Lord, Vader turned against his former comrades and hunted the surviving Jedi into near extinction. He became an enforcer of the Galactic Empire, who worked to crush the Alliance to Restore the Republic for opposing his Sith Master's will. Yet despite his actions as Darth Vader, a glimmer of the light side of the Force remained within the former Anakin Skywalker.

Skywalker was born in the year 41 BBY on the Outer Rim planet Tatooine during the Age of the Republic. Although he had a mother, the slave Shmi Skywalker, the truth about his parentage was that Anakin had no father—leading Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn to suspect that Skywalker's conception was the work of the midi-chlorians. Recognizing the boy's unprecedented connection to the Force, Jinn was determined to see Skywalker trained as a member of the Jedi Order, the task of which ultimately fell to his Padawan Obi-Wan Kenobi following Jinn's death in 32 BBY. Over the next decade, Skywalker rose to become one of the strongest Jedi in galactic history. While he was both caring and compassionate, his fear of loss was ultimately the catalyst for his downfall. In 19 BBY, with the Clone Wars nearing conclusion, Skywalker succumbed to the temptations of the dark side, believing the Sith had the power to save the life of Senator Padmé Amidala, his secret wife. Christened "Darth Vader" by his new Master Darth Sidious, the newly-minted Sith Lord assaulted the Coruscant Jedi Temple, killing fully-trained Jedi and novice younglings alike. After assassinating the leaders of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, Vader was confronted on Mustafar by his one-time friend and mentor, Kenobi, resulting in a lightsaber duel that left Vader burned and mutilated. As a consequence of his defeat, he was rebuilt as a cyborg and encased in a life-sustaining suit of armor, further distancing the persona of Vader from that of Anakin Skywalker. In addition, Amidala's death in childbirth broke the fallen Jedi Knight's heart, leaving him more machine than man mentally as well as physically.

Throughout the Dark Times, the former Anakin Skywalker brought fear to the galaxy in his capacity as the Emperor's dark enforcer. However, in spite of his deep immersion in darkness, Vader never succeeded in fully killing the side of himself that was Skywalker. His confrontation with his son, the aspiring Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker, during the Galactic Civil War awoke the compassion within the Sith Lord, causing Vader to renounce his allegiance to the Sith in order to save Luke from the Emperor's wrath. By killing his Master, however, Vader sustained critical damage to his armor, making death inevitable. Resigned to his fate, his dying wish was to see his son with his own eyes for the first and final time. In the end, he died not as Darth Vader but as Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One who brought balance to the Force by destroying the Sith. His destiny fulfilled, Skywalker's consciousness was able to endure beyond death due to his sacrifice and redemption, allowing him to live on in spirit alongside his deceased Jedi mentors, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Grand Master Yoda. Yet the legacy of Vader also survived through Kylo Ren, his grandson by Princess Leia Organa. As Vader's descendant, Ren believed it was his destiny to complete his grandfather's legacy: the annihilation of the Jedi Order.

My thoughts:
The Dark Lord of the Sith and hater of sand. Vader is third on AFI's top villain list. Probably the most iconic baddy of all time. Visually his suit is intimidating. His breathing itself is ominous. I only wish that they found someone better to play him in the prequels. He has the most classic and IMO best character arc in the Star Wars universe and indeed most of human story telling itself.

"If this slowly rotates him face-down into a pie, the entire journey will have been worth it." - Bill Corbett
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Post by: linszoid on January 29, 2019, 03:43:08 PM
#1: Han Solo

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229 points
10 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #1 Johnny Unusual and Charles Castle

From wookiepedia:

Han Solo, known only as Han until being given the surname Solo by chief recruitment officer Drawd Munbrin, and also known as Cadet 124-329 when serving as a Imperial cadet, was a human male smuggler who became a leader in the Alliance to Restore the Republic and an instrumental figure in the defeat of the Galactic Empire during the Galactic Civil War. He hailed from Corellia and became a smuggler in the employ of Jabba the Hutt, even completing the Kessel Run in just twelve parsecs with his prized ship, the Millennium Falcon. He was the son-in-law of fallen Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker and Senator Padmé Amidala, husband of Princess Leia Organa, brother-in-law of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker, father of Ben Solo, rivals and close friends with fellow smuggler Lando Calrissian, and best friends with the Wookiee Chewbacca, his trusted co-pilot who swore a life debt to the Corellian smuggler. Solo ran afoul of Jabba after ditching a shipment of spice to avoid trouble with the Empire, owing the Hutt a great deal of money as a result. His fortune seemed to have changed when he agreed to charter Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and the droids R2-D2 and C-3PO to Alderaan, but he became caught up in the rebellion against the Empire and, after helping Leia Organa escape from the Death Star, briefly fought in the Battle of Yavin, which allowed Skywalker to destroy the superweapon. Solo fought with the Rebellion for a number of years afterward, taking part in numerous operations and battles against the Empire.

After the Battle of Hoth, Solo sought refuge with Organa—with whom he had fallen in love—Chewbacca, and C-3PO on Cloud City, which was operated by his old friend Lando Calrissian. There, they were captured by the Sith Lord Darth Vader as part of a trap to bait Skywalker to the city. Solo was frozen in carbonite and taken to Jabba's Palace on Tatooine by the bounty hunter Boba Fett, where he remained encased in carbonite for months until he was rescued by his friends. After returning to the Alliance Fleet, Solo was promoted to the rank of general and was given command of the Pathfinders, a special forces squad, for the Battle of Endor. Solo led the Pathfinders to Endor, where he, Organa, Chewbacca, and the special forces team, with the help of the native Ewoks, destroyed the shield generator protecting the second Death Star that was being constructed in orbit. Their actions allowed the Alliance Fleet to destroy the superweapon.

The Battle of Endor, which saw the deaths of Emperor Sheev Palpatine and Darth Vader, allowed the Rebellion to form the New Republic. In the early days after Endor, Solo continued to lead the Pathfinders against the Empire. He married Organa, and the two had a son, Ben Solo. The boy struggled with the dark side of the Force—like his mother, who was the daughter of Darth Vader and twin sister of Luke Skywalker, Ben was Force-sensitive—so Organa sent him to be trained as a Jedi by Skywalker. He was seduced to the dark side by Snoke, Supreme Leader of the First Order, resulting in the destruction of Skywalker's attempt to rebuild the Jedi Order.

Having lost their son, Solo left and returned to smuggling, and even lost the Millennium Falcon to numerous thieves. He continued to smuggle until he was brought back into the fight by a scavenger named Rey and a defected First Order stormtrooper named Finn, who carried with them a droid, BB-8, that had part of a map to Skywalker's location. Solo, who retrieved the Falcon from Rey and Finn, returned to Organa, who led the Resistance against the First Order, and fought in the battle to destroy the First Order superweapon known as Starkiller Base. During the battle, Solo saw his son, who had taken the name Kylo Ren, and tried to convince him to return home. Instead, Ren stabbed his father with his lightsaber. Mortally wounded, Solo fell to his death in the bowels of the Starkiller weapon.

My thoughts:
Never tell him the odds! But when you can get 229 points in 10 lists the odds are generally in your favor. I think everyone wants to be Han Solo at some point in their life, flying around in some spaceship with a wookie companion and getting into all sorts of adventure and fun. Lucas described him as a man who would be a millionaire one day and broke the next. Yet he was generally a softy for a good cause. May the Force be with you all!


"I know what I'm doing" - Han Solo
"And yet......Firewall"
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 29, 2019, 03:49:24 PM
Honorable Mention: The Music of John Williams

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I love the music of Star Wars, as much as the characters, the visuals, you name it. I think the music is a character unto himself. What's the Empire without the Imperial Theme? Who doesn't love Yoda's Theme, or Leia's Theme or Duel of the Fates? The music really amplifies the movies in a way that few soundtracks have before.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: RVR II on January 29, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
Cool :o
My list (out of numerical order :P ):
10-C-3PO
5-R2-D2
2-PORKINS
8-LUKE SKYWALKER
9-PRINCESS LEIA
3-OBIWAN KENOBI
6-LANDO CALRISSIAN
7-JABBA THE HUT
1-BOBA FETT
15-CHEWBACCA
19-BIGGS DARKLIGHTER
16-DENGAR
17-DARTH VADER
12-GREEDO
11-TARKIN
18-YODA
13-RANCOR
14-MAX REBO
4-HAN SOLO
25-EWOKS
21-EMPEROR
22-TAUN-TAUN
23-RANKOR
24-SARLAAC
20-SAND PEOPLE
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 29, 2019, 04:27:38 PM
Wow Han Solo got the top spot?! I honestly did not see that coming. To be fair though there will never be another scoundrel like him. Sure there have been many like him that have come and gone over the years, but Han will always be the best.

1.   Darth Revan
2.   Darth Vader
3.   Luke Skywalker
4.   Yoda
5.   Han Solo
6.   Princess Leia
7.   Rey
8.   HK-47
9.   Boba Fett
10.   Lando Calrissian
11.   The Emperor
12.   Kylo Ren
13.   Mara Jade
14.   Finn/FN-2187
15.   Poe Dameron
16.   Obi-Wan Kenobi
17.   Kyle Katarn
18.   BB-8
19.   Bastila Shan
20.   Chewbacca
21.   R2-D2
22.   Dash Rendar
23.   Admiral Piett
24.   Lobot
25.   IG-88
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 29, 2019, 04:43:15 PM
Here's mine. You can tell I dig robots and aliens.

1. Yoda
2. HK-47
3. Han Solo
4. K-2S0
5. L3-37
6. Jabba The Hutt
7. Princess Leia
8. Salacious Crumb
9. BB-8
10. Darth Vader
11. Rey
12. Rose Tico
13. Chewbacca
14. Ashoka Tano
15. Luke Skywalker
16. Mission Vao
17. IG-88
18. Grand Admiral Thrawn
19. Lando Calrissian
20. R2-D2
21. Greedo
22. C-3P0
23. Padme Amadala
24. Wicket
25. Bastila Shan

I was actually surprised when making my list to discover that Rey has no last name. I suppose it emphasizes the whole "came from nothing" thing.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 29, 2019, 04:46:05 PM
#1: Han Solo
229 points
10 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #1 Johnny Unusual and Charles Castle

Wow. 229 points on 10 lists. Not only was he on every list, but he averages 23 points, which means he was in or near the top 3 on every list. Nothing cooler than a space scoundrel. Was that even a thing before Star Wars?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 29, 2019, 05:02:10 PM
My list:

1   Chewbacca
2   Han Solo
3   R2-D2
4   Yoda
5   Leia Organa
6   Obi-Wan Kenobi
7   BB-8
8   Luke Skywalker
9   Rey
10   Darth Vader
11   Lando Calrissian
12   K-2SO
13   Poe Dameron
14   Finn
15   Rose Tico
16   C-3PO
17   Jyn Erso
18   Jabba The Hutt
19   Qui-Gon Jinn
20   Maz Kanata
21   Kylo Ren
22   Admiral Gial Ackbar
23   Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin
24   Boba Fett
25   Count Dooku
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 29, 2019, 05:18:27 PM
Honorable Mention: The Music of John Williams

After seeing Star Wars in 77 I asked my parents if they could get me the sound track. 

They came back from shopping one day with the disco version....  :speechless: :gouge:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/Star_wars_and_galactic_funk.jpg)

That piece of junk was returned and eventually I got the real soundtrack.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 29, 2019, 05:22:29 PM
Wow. 229 points on 10 lists. Not only was he on every list, but he averages 23 points, which means he was in or near the top 3 on every list. Nothing cooler than a space scoundrel. Was that even a thing before Star Wars?
I don't think so, he was the first in a long line of scoundrels. Out of curiosity Pak why did you leave Darth Revan off your list?

Yeah the music of Meco is really good. I highly recommend their 15 minute mix of all their tunes from Star Wars. I take it you're not big on Disco Marty?
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 29, 2019, 05:36:34 PM
I take it you're not big on Disco Marty?

https://www.youtube.com/v/I1CP1751wJA

Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: The Lurker on January 29, 2019, 05:44:43 PM
On the other hand...
https://www.youtube.com/v/LKx15uDqtd4
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 29, 2019, 05:53:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/I1CP1751wJA
Sigh. I have a three word response to that act of mindless destruction: The Bee Gees. Also, I find it very hypocritical that people would willfully destroy Disco records, but in the meantime society in generally openly approves of things like Gangsta rap.

(Sorry for going off topic guys)
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 29, 2019, 06:17:49 PM
Also, I find it very hypocritical that people would willfully destroy Disco records, but in the meantime society in generally openly approves of things like Gangsta rap.

That video is about an event from 1979, about a decade before gangsta rap.  I guess you were not around in the 70s to take part in the disco vs. rock wars?   ???   If the internet was around back then I can't imagine the carnage.   >:D  To quote some old Klingons "It would have been glorious".  ;D

Is there widespread approval of gangsta rap?  Don't ask me, I hate rap even more than disco, I have fairly wide musical tastes, classical, pop, rock, blues, jazz, etc, but can't stand those 2 forms of music.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: stethacantus on January 29, 2019, 07:04:28 PM
I haven't seen any of the Disney Star Wars films. Not that I don't plan to eventually see them, but since the series is no longer written or sanctioned by Lucas, and therefore no longer part of the original canon,  there is no longer an urgency to see any new Star Wars film. They are just more big budget visual effects films that may or may not have a good plot.   So my picks come from the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy, with the two Ewok telefilms and Holiday Special characters also under consideration ( but ultimately rejected. ) Haven't gotten around to seeing any of the animated SW stuff, and very little of anything else from the SW expanded universe, so the characters on my list are just from the live action films.

#1 Darth Vader
#2 Yoda
#3 Han Solo
#4 Obi Wan Kenobi
#5 Luke Skywalker
#6 Emperor Palpatine
#7 Princes Leia
#8 Lando Calrissian
#9 Chewbacca
#10 Admiral Ackbar
#11 C3P0
#12 Elan Sleazebaggano 
#13 Count Dooku
#14 Darth Maul
#15 Boba Fett 
#16 R2D2
#17 Jabba The Hutt
#18 Greedo
#19 Max Rebo
#20 Grand Moff Tarkin
#21 Ponda Baba 
#22 Mace Windu
#23 Figrin D'an
#24 Wedge
#25 Nien Nunb  

Too bad there was no side list for the worst Star Wars characters, so we would have a place to shove Jar Jar Binks and Chef Gormaanda.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 29, 2019, 07:37:42 PM
That video is about an event from 1979, about a decade before gangsta rap.  I guess you were not around in the 70s to take part in the disco vs. rock wars?   ???   If the internet was around back then I can't imagine the carnage.   >:D  To quote some old Klingons "It would have been glorious".  ;D
Yeah I was born in 78' so I didn't know or didn't pay much attention to that kind of thing back then. My parents took me to see Star Wars when I was 18 months old and I of course was obsessed with it then and now.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on January 29, 2019, 09:11:01 PM
Wow. 229 points on 10 lists. Not only was he on every list, but he averages 23 points, which means he was in or near the top 3 on every list. Nothing cooler than a space scoundrel. Was that even a thing before Star Wars?
I don't think so, he was the first in a long line of scoundrels. Out of curiosity Pak why did you leave Darth Revan off your list?
Revan is awesome, but because of the... Unique way you get to know the character, I feel like they're really hard to get a bead on.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: PsychoGoatee on January 29, 2019, 09:39:56 PM
Excellent countdown, as always, lotta fun. Star Wars has a lotta memorable cats in it, I mean cats in the cool oldschool parlance, may the force be with you folks!
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on January 30, 2019, 04:17:40 PM
#1: Han Solo
229 points
10 of 10 lists. Highest Rank: #1 Johnny Unusual and Charles Castle

Wow. 229 points on 10 lists. Not only was he on every list, but he averages 23 points, which means he was in or near the top 3 on every list. Nothing cooler than a space scoundrel. Was that even a thing before Star Wars?

I think everyone had him at #5 or higher
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Charles Castle on January 30, 2019, 06:52:44 PM
1. Han Solo
2. Darth Vader
3. Grand Admiral Thrawn
4. Yoda
5. Princess Leia
6. R2-D2
7. Chewbacca
8. Luke Skywalker
9. Emperor Palpatine
10. Grand Moff Tarkin
11. Rey
12. Obi-Wan Kenobi
13. Lando Calrissian
14. C-3PO
15. Captain Pellaeon
16. Mara Jade

17. Talon Karrde
18. Finn

19. Joruus C'baoth
20. Max Rebo
21. Wicket
22. Mace Windu
23. Salacious Crumb
24. Jabba the Hutt
25. Darth Maul


This was a rad list. Thanks for hosting, Linszoid.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Russoguru on January 30, 2019, 08:42:50 PM
Thanks for hosting Linszoid.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: CJones on January 31, 2019, 05:54:19 AM
Here was my list:

1 Jek Tono Porkins (the White) (Sorry, it's Rifftrax, I had to do it)
2 HK-47 (Somebody put this guy in a movie. I will go see it just for that)
3 The Millenium Falcon
4 Han Solo
5 Sheev Palpitine / The Emperor / Darth Sidious
6 Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader
7 Darth Revan
8 Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin
9 R2-D2
10 Grand Admiral Thrawn
11 Obi-Wan Kenobi
12 Yoda
13 Poe Dameron
14 FN-2187 (aka Finn)
15 Jabba the Hutt
16 Admiral Raddus
17 Wedge Antilles
18 Lando Calrissian
19 Qui-Gon Jin
20 Luke Skywalker
21 Princess Leia Organa
22 Admiral Ackbar
23 Chewbacca
24 K2SO
25 Max Reebo (And the Jizz Wailers)
Had to work that in somehow

I think this is the first time 100% of my picks actually made the final list. I knew I should have worked Kitt Fisto in there somewhere.

Many thanks linszoid. I was somewhat ambivalent about the idea at first, but I quickly warmed up to it  :clap:
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on February 01, 2019, 06:55:17 AM
Thanks for hosting Linszoid.  Would have responded sooner, but I've been very sick.

1. Han Solo
2. Chewbacca
3. K-2S0
4. Leia Organa
5. Finn
6. Rey
7. Lando Calrissian
8. C-3P0
9. R2-D2
10. BB-8
11. Luke Skywalker
12. Darth Vader
13. Kylo Ren
14. Jyn Erso
15. Obi-Wan Kenobi
16. Cassian Andor
17. Yoda
18. Poe Dameron
19. Jabba the Hutt

20. Armitage Hux
21. Wicket
22. DJ
23. Admiral Ackbar
24. Captain Phasma
25. Bea Arthur
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on February 01, 2019, 01:31:41 PM
25. Bea Arthur

I was very disappointed she didn't make the list.
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: ColeStratton on February 04, 2019, 12:48:30 AM
I know I missed the boat on this one, but just for fun, here's what mine would have been...

1.   Han Solo
2.   Lando Calrissian
3.   Obi-Wan Kenobi
4.   Yoda
5.   Princess Leia Organa
6.   Luke Skywalker
7.   Darth Vader
8.   Wedge Antilles
9.   Admiral Ackbar
10.   Chewbacca
11.   Wicket
12.   R2-D2
13.   Salacious Crumb
14.   Rey
15.   Chirrut Îmwe
16.   BB-8
17.   Boba Fett
18.   Porkins
19.   Poe Dameron
20.   Finn
21.   Max Rebo
22.   C-3PO
23.   K-2SO
24.   Grand Moff Tarkin
25.   Mace Windu
Title: Re: List of Crap #114: Top 50 Star Wars Characters countdown
Post by: linszoid on February 04, 2019, 03:40:29 PM
I know I missed the boat on this one, but just for fun, here's what mine would have been...

1.   Han Solo
2.   Lando Calrissian
3.   Obi-Wan Kenobi
4.   Yoda
5.   Princess Leia Organa
6.   Luke Skywalker
7.   Darth Vader
8.   Wedge Antilles
9.   Admiral Ackbar
10.   Chewbacca
11.   Wicket
12.   R2-D2
13.   Salacious Crumb
14.   Rey
15.   Chirrut Îmwe
16.   BB-8
17.   Boba Fett
18.   Porkins
19.   Poe Dameron
20.   Finn
21.   Max Rebo
22.   C-3PO
23.   K-2SO
24.   Grand Moff Tarkin
25.   Mace Windu

For the fun of it, here are the rankings withs your list added

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