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Title: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: MrCyNic on September 21, 2006, 02:32:09 PM
I don't know what the general consensus on this is likely to be, but I actually really liked X-Men. I'm not fanatical about it, though, and I'm looking forward to hearing what Mike and Bill have to say about it.

After some downright painful experiences with previous Rifftrax targets (I always watch the movie "straight" once before sitting through it with the Rifftrax playing), I'd actually be quite pleased to see some more "good" movies being given the Rifftrax treatment.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Pak-Man on September 21, 2006, 02:34:00 PM
I've stated it elsewhere, but I'll state it here: Good, Bad- Riff 'em if you can make 'em funny. :^)
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: MrCyNic on September 21, 2006, 02:36:32 PM
Well put.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on September 21, 2006, 02:55:45 PM
I thought x-men was a good movie, but I have no problem with the riffing.  I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Slab Bulkhead on September 21, 2006, 05:24:48 PM
I too thought X-Men was good, not a classic, but a fine piece of entertainment - and I look forward to a solid riffing.

Personally, I hope Mike & Co. present a mix of films - from clunkers to classics. Just as on MST3K, the bad films should be riffed because they are cinemtic dregs and deserve the razzing.  I think good or classic movies will make good riffing fun because it's a chance to have some fun with some famous characters and actors.

For example, I would love to hear riffs of

Citizen Kane

2001 (There is so little dialogue, it would be a riffer's dream)

Gone With the Wind

Taxi Driver (I'm still trying figure out why Travis Bickle took Cybill Shepherd' character to a porno film on their first date - I've read some theories on this but I don't buy 'em)

Apocalypse Now (Oh, the Brando and Dennis Hopper jokes!)

I could list many, many more.

So, I say keep the Roadhouses and Crossroadses coming, but throw in some quality films on occasion as well.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: gammer on September 21, 2006, 06:05:18 PM
I agree, riff anything.
But, like I've mentioned in another post:
http://rifftrax.com/smf/index.php?topic=318.0
I think the ones that work...or at least the ones that are funny, have to be cheesy or bad to begin with. There's just more material to work with.

IMHO, I think xmen will be allright...a novelty since Bill is joining in. But I bet Top Gun is funnier...just because its cheesy to begin with.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: FBX on September 21, 2006, 06:15:45 PM
I'm going to sit and wait on the verdict on this one though. Same with top gun, its another movie that I've seen that cant imagine would be funny riffed (despite its cheeze).
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Mrbnatural on September 22, 2006, 06:19:31 AM
I know personally, I'll make fun of even movies I like a lot... I thought X-men was pretty alright, but I am looking forward to the riffing, for sure.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: AvestheFox on September 22, 2006, 06:37:39 AM
I have my hopes up on Mike riffing The Lord of the Rings

I was told it will be a long while though.. but the application is still there
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: MrCyNic on September 22, 2006, 12:02:48 PM
I am looking forward to the riffing, for sure.

Definitely. Of all the Rifftrax released so far, I think this is the one I've looked forward to the most. Something about the combination of a film I know quite well (and am quite favourably disposed to) and the particular riffing team of Mike and Bill going to work on it - it all just seems to fit, somehow.

Can't be long now...


Cheers,

Cy.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: torgosPizza on September 22, 2006, 01:21:43 PM
I agree, riff anything.
But, like I've mentioned in another post:
http://rifftrax.com/smf/index.php?topic=318.0
I think the ones that work...or at least the ones that are funny, have to be cheesy or bad to begin with. There's just more material to work with.

IMHO, I think xmen will be allright...a novelty since Bill is joining in. But I bet Top Gun is funnier...just because its cheesy to begin with.

I agree but - I think there are two camps that work well for this situation. The ones that are cheesy and take themselves seriously, and the ones that are beyond the realm of reality and still take themselves seriously. This one is a good example, I think, because it features - as the description states - people with weird names who can leap around doing extraordinary things in black leather jumpsuits.

When you step out of the X-Men canon - if you were someone who had never heard of comic books, movies, etc. - this would seem like the cheesiest / dumbest thing ever. Personally I think it's going to be very interesting and, I'm sure, very funny.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Hugo on September 22, 2006, 03:28:43 PM
I don't know what the general consensus on this is likely to be, but I actually really liked X-Men. I'm not fanatical about it, though, and I'm looking forward to hearing what Mike and Bill have to say about it.

I would not like to see a truly good movie get riffed. For example, I probably would not purchase a Rifftrax of my favorite movies, like Chocolat or Open Range. The history of riffing movies has been that these are bad movies that deserve ridicule. You can't ignore the whole MST3K pretext here. Rifftrax is clearly an outgrowth from MST3K. So, I would hope that MN is not riffing movies that he actually believes are good. That would strike me as simply malevolent. You don't make fun of something you really value and enjoy. It would be like making fun of your wife just to be making fun of her. That's mean.

As for X-Men, I didn't think it was a particularly good movie. So I'm open to being convinced of its cheese.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: MrCyNic on September 22, 2006, 03:35:24 PM
Just synching it up now with Sharecrow. From the tiny snippets I've heard, it looks promising...
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Conor on September 22, 2006, 03:47:34 PM
Just synching it up now with Sharecrow. From the tiny snippets I've heard, it looks promising...

Let us know what settings you used for Sharecrow.  I used the following:

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5716/xmensharecrowbj6.gif)
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: MrCyNic on September 22, 2006, 04:31:22 PM
Let us know what settings you used for Sharecrow.

Sure. I'm using the PAL version of the Rifftrax, so mine times out a little differently:

File Playback Range From: 0:01:45.250
End: 1:33:46.000

These settings work on my main PC. I've had to tweak them slightly so they work on my laptop, though. Here are the settings for that:

File Playback Range From: 0:01:45.400
End: 1:33:46.000

I won't have a chance to listen to the Rifftrax all the way through until tomorrow, but those settings synch up DA's first and last lines just about perfectly. I usually find that Sharecrow gives me a small amount of drift (half a second or less) around the middle of any given film, but works its way back into synch by the end. I've never found any of the individual jokes so time-critical that these slight, temporary drifts have mattered.

Hope that's helpful to someone...

Cheers,

Cy.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: MrTorso on September 22, 2006, 04:51:57 PM
Quote
Rifftrax is clearly an outgrowth from MST3K. So, I would hope that MN is not riffing movies that he actually believes are good. That would strike me as simply malevolent. You don't make fun of something you really value and enjoy. It would be like making fun of your wife just to be making fun of her. That's mean.

The bottom line is that they are just movies! Mike makes me laugh. If he does it at the expense of a favorite movie of mine then so be it. I rag on movies I like all the time because it is just a movie. If Mike riffed on my wife however then there would be trouble. Also if I held a movie in the same regard as my wife, I think I wouldn't have a wife for much longer.



Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Pak-Man on September 22, 2006, 05:09:24 PM
Well put, Mr. Torso! :^)
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Road_Element on September 22, 2006, 07:45:44 PM
Personally i really dont care. I mean they have already done one movie i like already and im fine with that. All the Priceline jokes where really worth it anyways.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: JohnH on September 23, 2006, 10:56:24 AM
I'm a little surprised, but not much really, that I'm in the minority in that I really didn't like X-Men.  It was a big-budget goofy action movie that thought it was a lot more important than it actually was.

It was also based upon what I consider to be a particularly over-rated comic book.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Robotech_Master on September 25, 2006, 02:47:31 PM
You can't ignore the whole MST3K pretext here. Rifftrax is clearly an outgrowth from MST3K. So, I would hope that MN is not riffing movies that he actually believes are good. That would strike me as simply malevolent. You don't make fun of something you really value and enjoy.

Note that even MST3K did "good" movies from time to time. For example, Overdrawn at the Memory Bank is widely considered a classic of the cyberpunk genre; the fact that it was done on a cheap TV budget and is a little corny by today's standards makes it easy to ridicule, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a classic. In fact, I'd say that a number of the movies they did (not all, not even a majority, but a number of them) were considered good films in their day, and it was only the passage of time that rendered them hokey.

Besides which, there's a long tradition of making fun of (not to mention directly insulting) things or people you value as a means of paying tribute to them; it's called roasting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roast_%28comedy%29).
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: SaucyRossy on September 25, 2006, 04:17:10 PM
Im sorry but Overdrawn at the memory bank a classic???

That movie and Manos are the some of the only MST3K movies that I have a hard time watching with out wanting to drill a hole through my head.

 :-",
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: PlayMSTie on September 25, 2006, 04:53:11 PM
Im sorry but Overdrawn at the memory bank a classic???


You took the words right out of my mouth!

As for riffing on good movies, my worry is that every time I'd watch the movie after that, I'd have the riffs in my head and it would get in the way of just enjoying the movie. Kind of like how every time I hear Mozart's Eine Kleine Nachtmusik now, I get in my head the words "LOO-ney TUNES on Nick-e-lo-de-on!" (There was a commercial to that effect a few years ago.) I didn't care much one way or the other about X-Men; I liked it all right but didn't love it and never would have got around to watching it again but for Mike. But if it were a movie I really cared about, it would be different.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: SaucyRossy on September 25, 2006, 05:28:43 PM
Also saying that X-men is a good movie may be going alittle far.....servicable? Sure. Good....no.

I personally have a strong seething hatred for this and the other two x films....but thats just me and im a huge comic geek.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Road_Element on September 25, 2006, 05:42:56 PM
As for riffing on good movies, my worry is that every time I'd watch the movie after that, I'd have the riffs in my head and it would get in the way of just enjoying the movie.

Well if Mike ever did Superman the Movie. I just couldnt force myself to watch it with mike's Rifftrax. I mean thats a movie i grew up with and loved ever since i was 5 years old. It would kinda hard to watch with someone riffing it. Now if he wants to do Superman 3.4. & Supergirl or even Superman Returns.  To me that would be fine.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: SaucyRossy on September 25, 2006, 05:54:12 PM
Well I can understand that...but I can imagine that I would be able to watch X-men with out having the riffs in my head. I would still hate it...but I could do it.

Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Tarantulas on September 25, 2006, 06:14:24 PM
Even "sacred cows" need a tipping every now and then... think of it as a good natured roast of a deserving guest.

Like the Shatner roast... wait... scratch that.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Conc on September 25, 2006, 10:14:15 PM
Can you guys create .cro files for the versions of X-Men that you're using?  I will test them on my system at home, to see how universal they are.

Thanks,
Steve
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Variety of Cells on September 25, 2006, 10:26:45 PM
I'm assuming we just email them to you?
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Cibernético II on October 07, 2006, 10:43:40 PM
I too, like the first X-Men movie. I thought it was well acted and well directed and there's some really great scenes. But at the same I really don't like the script and the direction the story line goes, and how they really changed the characters alot.

To tell you the truth, I didn't like the Riff Track a whole lot. Mike's little part about Magneto's background really bothered me. As a fan of comic, I sincerely believe some parts of the X-Men mythos are very poinant and darn right necessary when getting to the soul of the comic and why it has lasted nearly 40 years. And I know as a comic fan, some people think that they have the right and duty to call me a loser and tell me to grow up if I have ANY feelings whatsoever about the original storyline.

So, I thought the riff track came off as kind of pot-shotty and somewhat phoned in. Not that it wasn't fun, I wouldn't ask for a refund. I have mixed feelings about the movie and track. so that's that
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: ecrose on October 09, 2006, 08:40:48 AM
Any one else torn?

I am a long time fan of MST3K so I was really glad to see Mike and company back in action, but I am also a long time X-Men fan. I'm kinda afraid of what Mike and Bill might say, although as an X-Men fan I know there is a lot open to riffing. Just imagine if they would have worn their comic costumes, that alone would take up half the comments.

As far as doing good movies, I think some of the best comedy comes from so called good movies.  The blockbuster specials were hilarous. A funny person can find the humour in anything, and lets face it, even die hard X-men fans (such as myslef) know that this stuff gets a little ridiculous.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Hank on October 09, 2006, 05:41:24 PM
The history of riffing movies has been that these are bad movies that deserve ridicule. You can't ignore the whole MST3K pretext here. Rifftrax is clearly an outgrowth from MST3K. So, I would hope that MN is not riffing movies that he actually believes are good. That would strike me as simply malevolent. You don't make fun of something you really value and enjoy. It would be like making fun of your wife just to be making fun of her. That's mean.

I often make fun of my wife, but then I do her up proper and all is forgiven.


Actually, MST3K has historically done movies that were also easy to get. That's why they can do a little less obscure movies for Rifftrax (no royalties = less overhead). That's why they used Night of the Living Dead. The copyright was invalidated for some strange reason (I forget).

Remember, this isn't the first time that the "greats" have been riffed. They used to do those Oscar specials (remember "I'm Leonardo DiCaprio" from Good Will Hunting?) They even did a little snippet of Boron in one of their Summer Movie Blockbuster specials (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RGB2JFZYbRY).
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on October 10, 2006, 02:17:22 PM
I would hope that MN is not riffing movies that he actually believes are good. That would strike me as simply malevolent. You don't make fun of something you really value and enjoy. It would be like making fun of your wife just to be making fun of her. That's mean.

Mike mentioned in a radio interview that he'd like to do the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy sometime. In the same interview, he also said that these movies were three of the few recent movies that he thought were really good. I, of course, disagree with this, but I'm in the minority. I'd love to hear Mike (and a guest or two) riff all three of 'em.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: SaucyRossy on October 11, 2006, 01:45:10 PM
Yeah I have no problem with Mike riffing good movies or movies I like.....bring it on!
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: davo on November 01, 2006, 08:37:21 PM
i have no problem with a movie like x men: a movie i really like,but at the same time can admit there are some flaws ( the storm/toad line being THE classic example here).

but if they did something truly excellent or classic like citizen kane i don't think i could stomach it. 
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: torgosPizza on November 02, 2006, 10:36:09 AM
i have no problem with a movie like x men: a movie i really like,but at the same time can admit there are some flaws ( the storm/toad line being THE classic example here).

but if they did something truly excellent or classic like citizen kane i don't think i could stomach it. 


What happens when a good movie gets riffed by a lightning bolt of Mike's witticisms?

Same thing as every. Other. Movie.

</paraphrase>
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Pak-Man on November 02, 2006, 11:09:55 AM
Nicely played. :^)
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: davo on November 27, 2006, 02:18:32 PM
i have no problem with a movie like x men: a movie i really like,but at the same time can admit there are some flaws ( the storm/toad line being THE classic example here).

but if they did something truly excellent or classic like citizen kane i don't think i could stomach it. 


What happens when a good movie gets riffed by a lightning bolt of Mike's witticisms?

Same thing as every. Other. Movie.

</paraphrase>

nice  :)
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Gooseboy on December 09, 2006, 10:39:13 PM
I would never say never.  I think any movie is riffable and I think it's ridiculous to say a movie shouldn't be riffed just because it might be considered a "classic".  As long as the movie takes itself seriously, it's a prime target for comedy.  There are probably some exceptions.  For example, it might be impossible to riff during specific scenes in movies like Schindler's List or The Accused without coming across as disturbingly unfunny.  And riffing on a movie that's a hilarious comedy might just be redundant.

Someone mentioned that they wouldn't want to listen to a riff track during a favorite film for fear (alliteration) the riffs would be permanently burned into their memory every time they tried to watch the movie again.  That's probably a legitimate concern.  I know I'll never be able to see The Matrix without thinking "cirque du so long suckers!"  :D
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: BathTub on December 10, 2006, 12:04:12 AM
That reaction I think is completely fair I think. I mean in most instances once I have heard a Weird Al parody of song it's hard not to think about it when I hear the original.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Pak-Man on December 10, 2006, 12:12:27 AM
Yeah, but Weird Al songs are only a few minutes long, can be listened to repeatedly, and are musical. I haven't had any problems with a Rifftrax being stuck in my head (Although some scenes will always bring back the MEMORY of a Rifftrax and make me snicker at the wrong moments, but then Conan On the Aisle has had the same effect on me and it's not really a bad thing. :^))
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: BathTub on December 10, 2006, 12:14:28 AM
I don't think anyone is suggesting memorizing an entire rifftrax,... though if they want to try, good luck with that!
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Joey the Lemur on December 11, 2006, 09:21:50 PM
I don't think anyone is suggesting memorizing an entire rifftrax,... though if they want to try, good luck with that!

Oh, it's possible.  After all, countless people like myself have memorized an entire script of riffed lines for Rocky Horror Picture Show.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to do that for X-Men though.
Title: Re: Riffing a Good Movie...
Post by: Darkwalker on December 30, 2013, 12:41:34 PM
I like when they riff a movie i enjoy, Lord of the Rings, Spiderman, Star Wars, hell, even Harry Potter. In fact typing this has given me some ideas for suggest-a-trax.