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Title: Season 12
Post by: Johnny Unusual on November 23, 2017, 08:31:11 PM
Confirmed at the very VERY end of Turkey Day.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 23, 2017, 08:36:30 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Any more details?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on November 23, 2017, 08:41:31 PM
Just that Netflix gave them Season 12. I'm sure details will be rolled out whenever Joel gets around to telling everyone.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: losingmydignity on November 23, 2017, 09:12:42 PM
I'm not living in the USA anymore so different time zone. Went to bed after watching first half hour of the marathon. Woke up to the last half hour and waited until the end. I had a feeling they were going to make the announcement.
What a great way to start my Friday.

But don't blow it this time, guys! : )
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: LucasM on November 23, 2017, 10:11:16 PM
Yup. From the Kickstarter 'Bring Back' newsletter, Joel says, "Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Return has officially been renewed for another season on Netflix in the 'not too distant future!'  I wish I had more details to share, but so far, that's literally everything we're able to announce – and, of course, I'll tell you more as soon as I can."

My ONE hope for season 12?  They don't edit the films at all any longer.  Cutting films to fit an exact one hour 30 minute (two hour TV) time slot doesn't make sense when they are on Netflix.  The MST episodes should vary by as much as the source films vary.  (Of course, they'll have at least 3-4 more minutes available each episode regardless, because they won't have thousands of names to credit for the Kickstarter any longer.)
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on November 23, 2017, 10:37:41 PM
I like to think they're keeping their options open so they can syndicate the new episodes, if that's even a possibility with Netflix shows. It'd suck if they had to cut material to make it fit if, say, the Hallmark Channel decided to air them.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on November 23, 2017, 10:41:15 PM
Here's the announcement if anyone missed it:

https://www.youtube.com/v/Hpm9nHqXoaw
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 23, 2017, 10:44:29 PM
I like to think they're keeping their options open so they can syndicate the new episodes, if that's even a possibility with Netflix shows. It'd suck if they had to cut material to make it fit if, say, the Hallmark Channel decided to air them.

I'm guessing part of the reason the show was so long in negotiation is that SHOUT retain more of the rights, as opposed to most of the shows they make. So I'm betting it is an option.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: LucasM on November 24, 2017, 12:00:08 AM
I like to think they're keeping their options open so they can syndicate the new episodes, if that's even a possibility with Netflix shows. It'd suck if they had to cut material to make it fit if, say, the Hallmark Channel decided to air them.

I'm guessing part of the reason the show was so long in negotiation is that SHOUT retain more of the rights, as opposed to most of the shows they make. So I'm betting it is an option.

Yes, but every other syndicated TV show is edited for syndication, with only original airing stations getting the full shows.  Why should these be different?

Why not have the full episodes to begin with (and to get hard copies of on DVD/Blu-ray) and then the edited syndicated versions would still be available to possibly convert late-comers?  I just (still) don't see why it would be considered detrimental to have the full films.  To me it would be far more appealing, because it would mean they don't have to sacrifice what little story integrity there may be in these films to fit an arbitrary run time.  [It also ceases to excuse riffs based solely on poor transitions or plot holes created by their having cut scenes from the films in the first place.  Incidents of which were apparent in episodes in the original runs on Comedy Central & Sci-Fi Channels, and seemed likely in some parts of season 11.  Those are cheap shots.  It would also result in a (very) few more riffs based solely on creative viewing.]
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on November 24, 2017, 04:52:28 AM
Watched most of the marathon but fell asleep halfway trhough the last episode, so missed this announcement until seeing it in my email this morning. Surprised it was announced on Turkey Day.

Wasn't an announcement and not nearly as big of news, but during one of the intros Joel casually mentioned that they're hoping to do another live tour next summer.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: linszoid on November 24, 2017, 03:18:02 PM
We like this news VERY much!
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: majorjoe23 on November 24, 2017, 04:42:40 PM
I like to think they're keeping their options open so they can syndicate the new episodes, if that's even a possibility with Netflix shows. It'd suck if they had to cut material to make it fit if, say, the Hallmark Channel decided to air them.

I'm guessing part of the reason the show was so long in negotiation is that SHOUT retain more of the rights, as opposed to most of the shows they make. So I'm betting it is an option.

Yes, but every other syndicated TV show is edited for syndication, with only original airing stations getting the full shows.  Why should these be different?

Why not have the full episodes to begin with (and to get hard copies of on DVD/Blu-ray) and then the edited syndicated versions would still be available to possibly convert late-comers?  I just (still) don't see why it would be considered detrimental to have the full films.  To me it would be far more appealing, because it would mean they don't have to sacrifice what little story integrity there may be in these films to fit an arbitrary run time.  [It also ceases to excuse riffs based solely on poor transitions or plot holes created by their having cut scenes from the films in the first place.  Incidents of which were apparent in episodes in the original runs on Comedy Central & Sci-Fi Channels, and seemed likely in some parts of season 11.  Those are cheap shots.  It would also result in a (very) few more riffs based solely on creative viewing.]

I’m guessing Netflix’s algorithm shows that comedies over 90 minutes get fewer views, so they encouraged Joel to make that the max length.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: losingmydignity on November 25, 2017, 05:10:53 AM
So I'm guessing we already know two of the films that might be riffed. They did a SuperArgo and Eegah! during the live tour. Was there another?

And don't forget Joel said they would probably riff shorts. I'm hoping so.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Johnny Unusual on November 25, 2017, 05:17:48 AM
I don't think so.  I feel like they went out of their way to say they wanted to make the live experience special, so I don't think they'll be doing Super Argo.  Plus they already did Eegah.  I think if they were going to do a re-riff, it would probably the Crawling Eye, which might make for a fun gimmick episode.

That said, I am WAY looking forward to the return of shorts, even if they are presented in youtube shorts or something (youtube shorts would also be a great way to do more mailbag segments.)
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: WhyDontTheyLook on November 25, 2017, 07:43:54 AM
I don't think so.  I feel like they went out of their way to say they wanted to make the live experience special, so I don't think they'll be doing Super Argo.  Plus they already did Eegah.  I think if they were going to do a re-riff, it would probably the Crawling Eye, which might make for a fun gimmick episode.

That said, I am WAY looking forward to the return of shorts, even if they are presented in youtube shorts or something (youtube shorts would also be a great way to do more mailbag segments.)

I read an interview with Joel and Jonah a few days before Turkey Day ( which I unfortunately can't find right now, else I'd link it), where they talked about possibly releasing "concert films" of the two live shows, separate from S11 and S12.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Johnny Unusual on November 25, 2017, 08:00:54 AM
I'd be down for that.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on November 25, 2017, 08:30:09 AM
I have the nutty idea that if they ever do a reriff, it should be Santa Claus Conquers the Martians. Everyone involved with MST3K should get to take a swing at it.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: The Lurker on November 25, 2017, 10:22:32 AM
I kind of want them to tackle some of Charles Band’s stuff.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Johnny Unusual on November 25, 2017, 10:25:35 AM
I'd like them to do a fully animated movie, some time.  I'm not sure which one would be best suited to them, but I feel there's got to be an obscure cheap one that wouldn't be too hard to get the rights to.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on November 25, 2017, 12:37:47 PM
Not a big fan of re-riffs (always disappointed when a live show is a re-riff).
But I'd love re-riffs of some of the KTMA episodes that didn't get re-riffed in the original Comedy Central run. City on Fire would be at the top of my list.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Darth Geek on November 25, 2017, 02:33:05 PM
Not a big fan of re-riffs (always disappointed when a live show is a re-riff).
But I'd love re-riffs of some of the KTMA episodes that didn't get re-riffed in the original Comedy Central run. City on Fire would be at the top of my list.
I second this. Season 1 episodes are also ripe for reriffing. I'm surprised Rifftrax hasn't done Robot Monster as a Live show given it's a rather infamous bad movie.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: ManUnderMask on November 25, 2017, 09:06:58 PM
I think if they were going to do a re-riff, it would probably the Crawling Eye, which might make for a fun gimmick episode.

Or the movies done during the KTMA years that they didn't revisit later.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: losingmydignity on November 26, 2017, 04:07:33 AM
I

I read an interview with Joel and Jonah a few days before Turkey Day ( which I unfortunately can't find right now, else I'd link it), where they talked about possibly releasing "concert films" of the two live shows, separate from S11 and S12.

I'd actual prefer they do this. I would love a chance to see the live shows. Also, I wasn't advocating a reriff of Eegah. I'm not a fan re-riffs myself.

Especially would not want to see SC vs the Martians. A so-so MST and CT riff in my opinion. And one of my least favorite Rifftrax live shows.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Henry88 on November 27, 2017, 09:47:22 AM
i wonder dose jole still own mst3k or did he had it over to SF!. ?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: majorjoe23 on November 27, 2017, 10:18:29 AM
I believe it’s now jointly owned by Shout and Alternaversal (Joel’s company).
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 01, 2018, 03:33:16 PM
Season 12 to start filming Monday and only be 6 episodes long.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: linszoid on June 01, 2018, 04:02:20 PM
It is disappointing to wait 1 and a 1/2 years for new episodes only to find find out you're getting 6 episodes. I'm also concerned with the idea that Joel thinks "new and casual" viewers find the season runtime "overwhelming". I guess we'll have to wait and see where he's going with that.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on June 01, 2018, 04:36:22 PM
It is disappointing to wait 1 and a 1/2 years for new episodes only to find find out you're getting 6 episodes. I'm also concerned with the idea that Joel thinks "new and casual" viewers find the season runtime "overwhelming". I guess we'll have to wait and see where he's going with that.
6 episodes was disappointing news, but the making it more binge watching friendly is what alarmed me more.
First thought was that maybe that just means a running plot in the host segments like sci fi wanted...and I thought we kind of got that with Season 11 with the wedding plot (and I didn't particularly care for it). But thinking about it more, it could mean a number of other different things like shorter episodes or movies split into 2 or even 3 different episodes. Hope my speculation is way off base.   
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on June 01, 2018, 04:38:53 PM
And I'll add, I was hoping Season 12 would have more episodes than Season 11, not less.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 01, 2018, 04:53:35 PM
I hope that the seasons become more frequent if they are going to be short. 6 eps every 6-8 months?

I hope they don’t split movie, if they do they’ll certainly add shorts, but that would be a bummer.

It could also be that we get six longer eps (movie plus shorts) though I doubt it.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on June 01, 2018, 05:32:29 PM
To me, a radical idea of a way to not overwhelm folks with too many minutes/hours of content at once (which reeks of a Netflix concern and not a concern fans would express) would be to release 1 episode a week.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 01, 2018, 06:43:48 PM
Netflix already does this with some shows, so for whatever reason they decided not to do it with MST3K.

It does seem like a pretty natural fit to me.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 02, 2018, 04:39:12 AM
I'd prefer it too.  However, Netflix seems to mostly save weekly stuff for stuff like Joel McHale and The Break, where it is weekly by nature (terrible rap band) or stuff that simul-casts with networks (which they have done with a couple of anime now).

That said, what I want is for them to do short letters segments and shorts between seasons from time to time, just for some consistent output.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on June 02, 2018, 06:31:20 AM
I posted this on MSTie Facebook groups, but I'll post it again here:

I was thinking. The "Watch Out For Snakes" tour had shown that Joel has clearly been listening to MSTie's criticisms of Season 11, and as a result, made those two shows as classic as can be. So even if we get a reduced number of episodes for Season 12, what if we trade off quantity for quality, and instead get what many would regard as classic episodes in lieu of a shorter season? That's what I'm hoping for…
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on June 02, 2018, 10:22:48 AM
I doubt they're going to be splitting the movie if they only have 6 episodes to begin with. I'd hope we're getting more than 2 movies this year. It doesn't make any sense from a "bingable" perspective either, because it means you're just injecting credits in the middle of the binging experience where you really don't need them.

Also of note, Joel promised a movie that's been in popular demand, and another that was made in the last 5 years.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on June 02, 2018, 12:22:19 PM
I'll agree that 6 episodes with 1 or 2 that end up good to great would be better than another 14 episodes that are mostly just OK.
Still hope whatever direction they're going to make it more binge friendly isn't too great a departure from the proven formula though.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Darth Geek on June 02, 2018, 03:38:01 PM
I posted this on MSTie Facebook groups, but I'll post it again here:

I was thinking. The "Watch Out For Snakes" tour had shown that Joel has clearly been listening to MSTie's criticisms of Season 11, and as a result, made those two shows as classic as can be. So even if we get a reduced number of episodes for Season 12, what if we trade off quantity for quality, and instead get what many would regard as classic episodes in lieu of a shorter season? That's what I'm hoping for…
I agree, the live tour was fantastic, and improved over even the best of Season 11.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on June 02, 2018, 05:15:37 PM
Still hoping (despite what Joel said at the time) that recordings of the 2 live shows get released-in part because I really enjoyed Eegah! and in part cause I didn't get to see the other one. Don't want Eegah! or any re-riffs to be a part of Season 12, but it wouldn't surprise me if the other movie is the movie that Joel is talking about people wanting to see in Season 12.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 02, 2018, 07:48:26 PM
I'd prefer it too.  However, Netflix seems to mostly save weekly stuff for stuff like Joel McHale and The Break, where it is weekly by nature (terrible rap band) or stuff that simul-casts with networks (which they have done with a couple of anime now).

Weirdly, the next bunch (6) of Joel McHale episodes will drop all at once?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: stethacantus on June 03, 2018, 01:22:59 PM
The concept of "seasons" is dying off. It was mostly an American phenomena where networks were willing to pay for runs of 40 episodes of television shows. This gradually dwindled to 24 episodes as they figured out viewership dropped off in the spring and summer months, and their biggest sponsors paid for the bulk of advertising between September and January.  Elsewhere in the world runs of episodes were called "series", and you would get anywhere between 13 to 3 episodes each new series. In America a "series" was every episode of a show, since the season including reruns lasted the entire year and ran right into the next season, giving the effect of the same show being on continuously.  But if you watched programs in the UK, a run of episodes would be much shorter, and the next run of episodes would not be called the next season, but considered an entirely new series. And new series were filmed whenever. They weren't broadcast on a season schedule. The first 13 episodes of something like Monty Python was followed by five months before the next 13 episodes, and then two years before the next 13 episodes. 

Viewership in America is changing. Shows are now being sold on a worldwide basis. All of this is contributing to the new normal being seasons that are shorter than Americans are use to, and airing inconsistently.  It is beginning to make more sense for both the networks and producers. For the networks, shorter seasons means committing less money when the risk of committing money to  the standard 24 episodes would force a play or pay situation where a season would continue to run even though the ratings have dropped. For the producer, it is easier to retain the original cast if they only have to commit to 6-13 episodes rather than the previous 6 months they were stuck filming a season, which often meant they either had to pass on movie roles, or quit the show for a movie role and have their character written out of the series. And filming less episodes means a season no longer needs to be padded out to a full 24 episodes with weaker episodes.

If MST3K is going to do a 6 episode season, it is possible that we may eventually see two or more seasons in a year, depending on cast availability and how often Netflix is wiling to finance the next season.  It also makes more sense for Shout! Factory. It is much less expensive to sell a six season box set ( they still need to pay royalties for each individual movie ) which can be sold for a much more reasonable price than $90, something more like $40 fir a season set. Also, concentrating on fewer episodes per season allows Shout! Factory to negotiate for higher profile and more recent films. The original MST3K relied on public domain and cheap independent films. But if you ever want to see something like Batman & Robin on MST3K, then it could only happen if Shout! Factory is negotiating for and budgeting for fewer episodes.

Another bonus for Shout! Factory would be less lag time between the Netflix release and Shout! Factory release. Netflix wants a longer exclusive to insure that every episode is rented, rather than having viewers who only got around to renting half the episodes and watched the rest on DVD or Blu-ray. Figure a six month season would be about half the lag time between Netflix and Shout! Factory release. So everyone is happy.... well, except the viewer who wanted the standard 24 season.
Title: Season 12 Started Filming Today!
Post by: losingmydignity on June 04, 2018, 08:44:11 AM
That's according to a quiet little note at the bottom of the Today in MSTstory section of Satellite News.

And we all know those guys have a hotline to Joel so...

And no one has even made a comment there as of this writing so I'm the second to know, okay? Kiss me, minions!
Title: Re: Season 12 Started Filming Today!
Post by: linszoid on June 04, 2018, 10:07:03 AM
Joel just sent out an email saying the same thing.
Title: Re: Season 12 Started Filming Today!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 04, 2018, 06:20:15 PM
That's according to a quiet little note at the bottom of the Today in MSTstory section of Satellite News.

And we all know those guys have a hotline to Joel so...

And no one has even made a comment there as of this writing so I'm the second to know, okay? Kiss me, minions!

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=33833.msg994652#msg994652
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: losingmydignity on June 04, 2018, 09:50:35 PM
No kiss?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on June 05, 2018, 06:22:39 PM
So wild speculation on how soon we'll see Season 12:
-Host segments probably done filming this week
-A month of riff recording
-A month of post production work
-A month of Netflix quality testing
October maybe? Too optomistic?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: majorjoe23 on June 05, 2018, 09:17:07 PM
I’m betting the day after Thanksgiving, with the Turkey Day Marathon as the lead up to it.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Darth Geek on June 06, 2018, 06:31:00 AM
Yeah, I'd say November or December are most likely.

As much as I am looking forward to them, I'm not in a rush. I want them to spend more time filming than they did last time. Have the guest be on set with the characters, and most importantly DON'T DO THAT BUBBLE EDITING.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on June 06, 2018, 07:31:27 AM
I'm thinking that considering the just-announced 30th Anniversary Tour, I think Joel, Jonah, Baron, and Hampton will wrap up shooting before touring. So maybe the post-production will be either after or, god forbid, during the tour. My guess is production will completely wrap up and be ready to ship before the tour starts in October.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: MrTorso on June 06, 2018, 12:48:33 PM
Have they said that Baron is touring this time? He didn't last time.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: majorjoe23 on June 06, 2018, 01:34:25 PM
Have they said that Baron is touring this time? He didn't last time.

I don’t think they’ve said Hampton is yet either. Hopefully we get confirmation soon.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Darth Geek on June 06, 2018, 01:43:31 PM
Have they said that Baron is touring this time? He didn't last time.
Wasn't that just because of health or family issues? I wouldn't expect it to be the same this year.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on June 06, 2018, 02:00:04 PM
Have they said that Baron is touring this time? He didn't last time.
Wasn't that just because of health or family issues? I wouldn't expect it to be the same this year.

It was because he became a daddy and he needed to attend to his brand-new child.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on June 06, 2018, 03:20:05 PM
Some of it was probably just because the whole live show was just better written and performed than any of the Season 11 episodes, but I thought the fill in did a far better job than Baron- in addition to the better writing, etc, his voice was easier to distinguish.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on June 07, 2018, 07:30:42 PM
Some of it was probably just because the whole live show was just better written and performed than any of the Season 11 episodes, but I thought the fill in did a far better job than Baron- in addition to the better writing, etc, his voice was easier to distinguish.

But that's not entirely Baron's fault. Baron's a great actor, but considering that Kevin Murphy's Servo was a bassy baritone and Baron's voice is a Tenor, it explains why Kevin's Servo was easier to distinguish. Since Hampton's Crow sounded similar to both Trace's and Bill's Crow, not many people had a problem with him. I think people who heard Tim's Tom Servo loved him because he was bassier than Baron's tenor Servo.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: majorjoe23 on June 08, 2018, 05:30:46 AM
Jonah posted on Instagram that today is the last day of shooting, so only a five day shoot.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Darth Geek on June 08, 2018, 06:04:44 AM
Jonah posted on Instagram that today is the last day of shooting, so only a five day shoot.
5 days for only 6 episodes? That's not bad. Didn't they have about that amount of time for 14 episodes last time?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: MrTorso on June 08, 2018, 06:41:40 AM
Am I the only one who had no problems telling their voices apart from day one?  Where is the confusion? Between Tom and Crow? Between Tom and Jonah?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Quirk on June 08, 2018, 08:06:18 AM
I can almost never tell the difference between Tom and Jonah. I have to watch them to know who is talking.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on June 08, 2018, 08:45:16 AM
About 80% of the time I really couldn't tell the difference between the voices of any of the 3 of them when they were riffing in Season 11, so at times it came off as 1 riffer riffing really, really fast. I think one way to help fix that would be bigger silhouettes. 
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: eegah on June 09, 2018, 08:50:27 AM
I think one way to help fix that would be bigger silhouettes.

Like this?
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/eegah/618s.jpg)
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on June 09, 2018, 10:47:50 AM
Giant Tom unnecessary, but bigger than this:
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--sFMc69gL--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/rybisp63mxwky5visvoy.jpg)
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: linszoid on June 09, 2018, 10:50:42 AM
I think one way to help fix that would be bigger silhouettes.

Like this?
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/eegah/618s.jpg)

Or this?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mst3k/images/5/58/MST3k-_Giant_Servo_in_the_theater_during_the_end_of_FUTURE_WAR.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140918072547)
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: MrTorso on June 09, 2018, 09:18:13 PM
Maybe knowing Jonah Ray before helped?  I was a fan of his Hidden America show before Season 11 premiered so I may have been accustomed to his voice. Also I was against Mike at first when he took over for Joel back in the day.....
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on June 10, 2018, 12:35:17 AM
I found that any problems distinguishing the voices were gone by Episode 4. Of course I have an ear for voices. I'm usually the first one to hear a cartoon character and say, "Oh! That's the guy from that other cartoon!"
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 10, 2018, 03:15:25 AM
Never had a problem telling any of them apart.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: linszoid on June 13, 2018, 08:27:55 PM
There's a thread on Reddit alleging that one of the season 12 movies has been spoiled.

If you want to know the title then spoil away!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 13, 2018, 08:50:45 PM
I'd be in to that, but where did they get the info from?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: majorjoe23 on June 13, 2018, 08:57:38 PM
There was a set visit last week and guests got to see some of the riffed footage.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: MrTorso on June 26, 2018, 07:51:51 PM
YES!!
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Variety of Cells on July 10, 2018, 01:30:56 PM
They brought Rob Schrab on board!  He is one of my favorite behind the scenes people in comedy. Whenever I look at IMDB to see who was behind something, his name frequently pops up. For example, he directed The Sarah Silverman Program.

But this is how I picture him whenever I think of Rob Schraab, which also shows how he’s a perfect fit for MST3K.

https://youtube.com/v/NiIL5M03foQ&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 10, 2018, 01:58:24 PM
He also created Scud the Disposable Assassin.  Good comic!
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on July 10, 2018, 03:03:22 PM
I heart Scud so much. Scud: The Whole Shebang is a great way to spend $25. It seems a bit off-putting at first, but then you start to see layers upon layers...
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on July 10, 2018, 04:36:01 PM
This line from the Kickstarter backer update has got me the most excited though:

Quote from: Joel Hodgson
The new episodes are looking terrific. Your feedback has been really useful as well, and without revealing any spoilers I hope you’ll find some of your suggestions manifested in the new season.

He's listening to us! He's really listening to us!!!!!
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Darth Geek on July 11, 2018, 05:33:33 AM
This line from the Kickstarter backer update has got me the most excited though:

Quote from: Joel Hodgson
The new episodes are looking terrific. Your feedback has been really useful as well, and without revealing any spoilers I hope you’ll find some of your suggestions manifested in the new season.

He's listening to us! He's really listening to us!!!!!
I look forward to Kinga's new costume, a green string bikini.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on July 11, 2018, 06:30:35 AM
This line from the Kickstarter backer update has got me the most excited though:

Quote from: Joel Hodgson
The new episodes are looking terrific. Your feedback has been really useful as well, and without revealing any spoilers I hope you’ll find some of your suggestions manifested in the new season.

He's listening to us! He's really listening to us!!!!!
I look forward to Kinga's new costume, a green string bikini.

  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 11, 2018, 10:08:51 AM
Hopefully, that means a little more spacing in the jokes.  I don't necessarily mind joke-dense riffing but a lot of riffs, good riffs, were not given time to breathe.  Of course, this could be as simple as "put Kinga and Max in the theatre for a segment" which I'm totally down with.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on July 12, 2018, 12:56:09 PM
If you want to Kickstart something that's nearly kickfinished, you can get some cool MST swag here:

https://season12.mst3k.com/pledge

Only $70 for the Blu-ray set. (And with only 6 episodes, that's about right.)
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on July 12, 2018, 02:01:38 PM
None of the Kickstater rewards are standing out for me as most haves due primarily to the Netflix release being 6 months before the digital downloads or sets will come out. Something like a download of 1 episode a week before the Netflix release would have been more enticing than what's there (not counting the high dollar ($100+) stuff as that's all outside of what I could spend).
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Variety of Cells on July 12, 2018, 04:04:54 PM
I really like that poster design, I think it's great.  I just don't know if I like it enough to get a tote.  Maybe... I'm considering it.  I do take totes to the grocery store all the time, but the handle looks a little short for that.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: BathTub on July 12, 2018, 10:55:04 PM
It just feels really weird. I'll end up getting the blu-rays, but it feels odd.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on July 14, 2018, 09:24:38 PM
It just feels really weird. I'll end up getting the blu-rays, but it feels odd.
Same here. Just wish for the cost there was something being thrown in in addition to the set. Seems like nothing more than a really early pre-order and a pre-order could be done via Shout! and not via Kickstarter.


Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: LucasM on July 14, 2018, 11:38:22 PM
In addition, the Blu-ray set for season 11 was $99.  At first it seemed a bargain: 14 episodes for under $100, v. four 'classic' episodes for $40 on Amazon?  Bargain!  But when the 'standard' set came out with the same whole season, it ended up under $60 on Amazon.

Of course, season 11 has the bonus disc for the Kickstarter set, where the 'standard' set does not.  I have no clue how much the sets with that bonus disc are going for - haven't bothered to look.  It is possible that - like the extra DVDs with the last four 'classic' sets - it is collectible enough to easily offset the $40 extra cost.  But since there's no 'we brought it back!' special video stuff for season 12, it seems to me that one would just be pre-ordering it at a greatly inflated price.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: BathTub on July 15, 2018, 03:00:48 AM
It just feels really weird. I'll end up getting the blu-rays, but it feels odd.
Same here. Just wish for the cost there was something being thrown in in addition to the set. Seems like nothing more than a really early pre-order and a pre-order could be done via Shout! and not via Kickstarter.

Well this isn't even kickstarter, it's literally just a store selling presales.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on July 15, 2018, 07:36:18 PM
The more I think about it, the more I may just wait and buy digital downloads of the 6 season 12 episodes from here on Rifftrax. I never actually use any of the physical disks after ripping them and my continued interest over the last few years in owning the sets has been as much to do with the extras and Ballyhoo documentaries as in the episodes themselves. While I enjoyed the webroughtback documentary, none of the other kickstarter extras thrilled me much and another similar documentary would be redundant.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: majorjoe23 on July 16, 2018, 05:24:17 AM
In addition, the Blu-ray set for season 11 was $99.  At first it seemed a bargain: 14 episodes for under $100, v. four 'classic' episodes for $40 on Amazon?  Bargain!  But when the 'standard' set came out with the same whole season, it ended up under $60 on Amazon.

Of course, season 11 has the bonus disc for the Kickstarter set, where the 'standard' set does not.  I have no clue how much the sets with that bonus disc are going for - haven't bothered to look.  It is possible that - like the extra DVDs with the last four 'classic' sets - it is collectible enough to easily offset the $40 extra cost.  But since there's no 'we brought it back!' special video stuff for season 12, it seems to me that one would just be pre-ordering it at a greatly inflated price.

It’s not just the retail version early:

Also includes an EXCLUSIVE BONUS DISC that will only ever be included with this Collector’s Box Set, featuring production artwork, behind-the-scenes featurettes, interviews and more! (Not available as part of the digital download reward!)
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on July 16, 2018, 07:01:50 AM
So it's like a lot of Shout releases. Yeah, you'll probably find it cheaper on Amazon, but not with the special bonus disk!
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on July 30, 2018, 02:34:24 PM
New update. So it seems that Netflix didn't completely fund season 12, but only partially, and the rest of us have to pick up the tab or else the show will be in the red. Considering the sublime greatness that was the Watch Out For Snakes! tour, I believe we will have a better season in Season 12.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on July 30, 2018, 07:02:18 PM
Also of note: The DVD and Blu-ray sets are now region-free.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 30, 2018, 07:09:11 PM
...Why did they not say this up front. So weird.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on July 30, 2018, 07:18:36 PM
Netflix not coming up with enough money to fully pay for the cost to make even 6 full episodes makes sense as to why there will only be 6 episodes instead of more (despite the other reasons that were given).
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Darth Geek on July 30, 2018, 08:38:58 PM
We kicked it. It's started. Netflix gets my money from my membership, and Joel will get money from me when I buy the season on DVD when that comes out. That is all I am paying for anymore.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Quirk on July 31, 2018, 10:47:01 AM
Honestly, there are better riffing groups that need that money more. I'm wary to even spend my time on season 12 after season 11, let alone my money.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: The Lurker on July 31, 2018, 11:41:35 AM
Honestly, there are better riffing groups that need that money more. I'm wary to even spend my time on season 12 after season 11, let alone my money.
I dunno.  I've heard good things about the tour and they supposedly are taking the criticisms into consideration.  Granted early MST3K (which I haven't been able to get into, from what I've seen) kinda blurs together for me.  I much prefer the Kevin and Trace era.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on July 31, 2018, 11:50:04 AM
Honestly, there are better riffing groups that need that money more. I'm wary to even spend my time on season 12 after season 11, let alone my money.
I dunno.  I've heard good things about the tour and they supposedly are taking the criticisms into consideration.  Granted early MST3K (which I haven't been able to get into, from what I've seen) kinda blurs together for me.  I much prefer the Kevin and Trace era.

Same here. If you didn’t like Season 11 for whatever reason and preferred Seasons 3-10 you’d probably like the Watch Out For Snakes! Tour. As I said in another thread, the things people were complaining about in Season 11 were reverted in the tour. Quirk, you don’t have to give them money, but please do watch them in their twelfth season on Netflix.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Darth Geek on July 31, 2018, 12:40:00 PM
Honestly, there are better riffing groups that need that money more. I'm wary to even spend my time on season 12 after season 11, let alone my money.
I dunno.  I've heard good things about the tour and they supposedly are taking the criticisms into consideration.  Granted early MST3K (which I haven't been able to get into, from what I've seen) kinda blurs together for me.  I much prefer the Kevin and Trace era.

Same here. If you didn’t like Season 11 for whatever reason and preferred Seasons 3-10 you’d probably like the Watch Out For Snakes! Tour. As I said in another thread, the things people were complaining about in Season 11 were reverted in the tour. Quirk, you don’t have to give them money, but please do watch them in their twelfth season on Netflix.
Thirded. The riffing on the Live Tour was fantastic, and better than Season 11. I'm looking forward to seeing the new one in October.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Quirk on July 31, 2018, 04:14:05 PM
I'm sure I'll end up watching it anyway. I've heard a lot of people say the live show was better.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on August 10, 2018, 01:59:35 PM
I was going to go ahead and pre-order the DVD set, but $60 for 4 DVDs seems a bit high to me (assuming there would be 2 episodes per DVD like the Season 11 set). If it came with digital downloads, then I would have gone ahead and got it, but now I think I'll just wait for a cheaper Amazon price. I will have seen the episodes a couple of times on Netflix by the time it's released anyway, so it's not like I'll be buying the release for anything more than obsessive collection purposes.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on September 25, 2018, 07:57:46 AM
It all goes down November 22nd! Turkey Day!

https://news.avclub.com/exclusive-mystery-science-theater-3000-s-new-season-ge-1829297286
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on September 25, 2018, 07:59:56 AM
It all goes down November 22nd! Turkey Day!

https://news.avclub.com/exclusive-mystery-science-theater-3000-s-new-season-ge-1829297286

Thanks, Pak-man! I was just about to post this! This is great news!
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on September 25, 2018, 10:33:19 AM
So no Turkey Day marathon of old episodes this year?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on September 25, 2018, 10:44:21 AM
That's the question on everyone's lips. They haven't said they won't do it, but it almost seems like they'd be shooting themselves in the foot to run competition on season 12 launch day.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on September 25, 2018, 11:00:26 AM
I assume the marathon probably won't happen, but I wish it would. After binge watching Season 11 when it came out I'll like to space my viewing of Season 12 out a bit and no marathon will likely equal me watching all 6 new episodes on Thanksgiving Day when they won't have my full attention (the wife usually has to work overnight on Thanksgiving night, so our Thanksgiving tradition has been her sleeping until the afternoon while I cook the meal and watch the marathon).
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Darth Geek on September 25, 2018, 11:28:25 AM
That's the question on everyone's lips. They haven't said they won't do it, but it almost seems like they'd be shooting themselves in the foot to run competition on season 12 launch day.
Aren't they going to be in the middle of their Live Tour then anyway?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on September 25, 2018, 11:44:26 AM
Tour ends 11/17.

And the Marathon host segments have never been live. Not sure how early they filmed in the past, but it's not like the intro segments on the revived marathon have ever required much writing or sets.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: linszoid on September 25, 2018, 12:14:12 PM
It all goes down November 22nd! Turkey Day!

https://news.avclub.com/exclusive-mystery-science-theater-3000-s-new-season-ge-1829297286

I LIKE IT VERY MUCH!
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 25, 2018, 03:16:26 PM
I don’t think Netflix would be happy with them pulling focus. You guys can just program your own though, and start watching the new season the next day?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on September 25, 2018, 04:16:31 PM
The interstitials and the "What are they going to show next?" is part of the Turkey Day charm. I mean- there's new MST3K so that will take a lot of the sting out of it for me.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 25, 2018, 04:57:40 PM
The interstitials and the "What are they going to show next?" is part of the Turkey Day charm. I mean- there's new MST3K so that will take a lot of the sting out of it for me.

Ask someone else to put together the playlist for you.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on September 25, 2018, 05:17:19 PM
Having a playlist not the same as being surprised (which is one of the reasons I watch Pluto TV a lot when I'm wanting a MST3K fix).

Figure I'll mix some old episodes in with the new on T-Day and my surprises will be the new episodes.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 25, 2018, 06:12:06 PM
Having a playlist not the same as being surprised (which is one of the reasons I watch Pluto TV a lot when I'm wanting a MST3K fix).

It is if they don't tell you what it is.

Also, can't you guys just watch PlutoTV then?

I'm just trying to give you the closest thing to the experience you're looking for. What a bunch of negative nancys.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Henry88 on September 25, 2018, 07:45:44 PM
hoping for at least two monster movies.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 25, 2018, 07:49:32 PM
We know what one of the six is.

Wonder how soon the rest will leak onto IMDB?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Henry88 on September 25, 2018, 10:28:16 PM
We know what one of the six is.

Wonder how soon the rest will leak onto IMDB?
i wonder if it is super monsters.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: losingmydignity on September 25, 2018, 10:54:58 PM
We know what one of the six is.

Wonder how soon the rest will leak onto IMDB?

Um, can you let me know? I can't find the leak.

Also, I no longer reside in the USA. Is the line up the same on Netflix wherever one might be living?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 25, 2018, 11:00:02 PM
We know what one of the six is.

Wonder how soon the rest will leak onto IMDB?

Um, can you let me know? I can't find the leak.

Also, I no longer reside in the USA. Is the line up the same on Netflix wherever one might be living?

Learn about the episode here IF YOU DARE: http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=33833.msg995345#msg995345

Also, yes, as it is a Netflix Original, it should be all the same.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: losingmydignity on September 26, 2018, 03:20:51 AM
We know what one of the six is.

Wonder how soon the rest will leak onto IMDB?

Um, can you let me know? I can't find the leak.

Also, I no longer reside in the USA. Is the line up the same on Netflix wherever one might be living?

Learn about the episode here IF YOU DARE: http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=33833.msg995345#msg995345

Also, yes, as it is a Netflix Original, it should be all the same.



Oh, my God! You've ruined my life! (kidding kidding) Thank you.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on September 26, 2018, 07:20:24 AM
We know what one of the six is.

Wonder how soon the rest will leak onto IMDB?

Um, can you let me know? I can't find the leak.

Also, I no longer reside in the USA. Is the line up the same on Netflix wherever one might be living?

As long as you live in Canada, the UK, Ireland, Australia, or New Zealand, you should be fine with accessing the new season via Netflix. Otherwise you'll have to wait until it drops on Rifftrax or wherever it'll be sold sans DRM…
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Johnny Unusual on September 26, 2018, 07:45:47 AM
We know what one of the six is.

Wonder how soon the rest will leak onto IMDB?

Um, can you let me know? I can't find the leak.

Also, I no longer reside in the USA. Is the line up the same on Netflix wherever one might be living?

Learn about the episode here IF YOU DARE: http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=33833.msg995345#msg995345

Also, yes, as it is a Netflix Original, it should be all the same.

Finally a
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
movie!
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on September 26, 2018, 07:47:59 AM
If memory serves, they're doing a better job of keeping the movies under-wraps. I think we knew the titles for every episode of Season 11 a full half year in advance.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: linszoid on September 26, 2018, 04:09:51 PM
So it appears that the Turkey Day Marathon will be released the weekend before Turkey Day as to not be be in direct competition.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on September 26, 2018, 04:16:44 PM
That sounds like the best of both worlds to me. Wouldn't be surprised if they reran the feed over Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on September 26, 2018, 05:54:56 PM
That sounds like the best of both worlds to me. Wouldn't be surprised if they reran the feed over Thanksgiving.
Agreed. If it's like last year, Twitch will have the marathon in reruns a week afterwards.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: losingmydignity on September 26, 2018, 10:03:29 PM
We know what one of the six is.

Wonder how soon the rest will leak onto IMDB?

Um, can you let me know? I can't find the leak.

Also, I no longer reside in the USA. Is the line up the same on Netflix wherever one might be living?

As long as you live in Canada, the UK, Ireland, Australia, or New Zealand, you should be fine with accessing the new season via Netflix. Otherwise you'll have to wait until it drops on Rifftrax or wherever it'll be sold sans DRM…

I do not live in any of those countries. But when I go to the netflix page it looks like it is possible to sign up. They even list the currency of the country I live in.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: losingmydignity on September 26, 2018, 10:08:25 PM
Ugh, no did some more research. Looks like I will have to get a VPN to unblock the American version of Netflix. Sounds complicated. Ugh.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 26, 2018, 10:32:54 PM
Ugh, no did some more research. Looks like I will have to get a VPN to unblock the American version of Netflix. Sounds complicated. Ugh.

It's not too bad - that's what I do.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: BathTub on September 26, 2018, 11:11:49 PM
Those of us who backed the "kickstarter" for 12 won't be getting VOD's straight away this time will we?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 26, 2018, 11:14:54 PM
Nope
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on September 27, 2018, 08:10:27 AM
Those of us who backed the "kickstarter" for 12 won't be getting VOD's straight away this time will we?
Nope

 :( :( :(
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: majorjoe23 on September 27, 2018, 09:04:13 PM
But to be fair, the pledge drive says they’ll be released first on Netflix, and buyers will just be getting them six months before anyone else can buy them. So it seemed pretty clear we wouldn’t be getting them pre- or even day and date with Netflix.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: BathTub on September 28, 2018, 11:45:29 PM
Yeah just confirming, I'm sure they'll be view-able. It'll all be part of the deal with netflix, I'll make do.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on September 29, 2018, 12:01:11 AM
Yeah, when they promised the downloads in the first Kickstarter, they didn't know they were going to land on Netflix. Giving out downloads of all your episodes means something different to the business model when you're trying to get views on a streaming service.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Johnny Unusual on September 29, 2018, 05:16:40 AM
Good news, nerds!  The Turkey Day Marathon WILL happen again this year... one week before Thanksgiving.

BTW, the latest update has also been promoting the Aquabats kickstarter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/theaquabats/bringbacktheaquabats).  I'm a big fan of the band, so feel free to contribute (only a little ways from a second new album!)  And there's something of a raffle for MST3k goods if you back it before the deadline (which they accidentally list as Sunday when it is today, unless there's something I'm missing).  Anyway, I don't know if I'm automatically entered since I contributed to the Aqua-starter on day one.  Any kickstarter experts know for sure or know what I have to do to enter the raffle or am I already cool?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: The Lurker on October 12, 2018, 10:01:57 AM
So the BBFC has rated all 6 episodes of the new season.  If you’re curious, the titles should be available on the site.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 12, 2018, 02:15:09 PM
Or if you want to do it the easy way: https://www.reddit.com/r/MST3K/comments/9njw9x/season_12_movies_spoilers/
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: eegah on October 12, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
I'm surprised that the live show movies (The Brain, Deathstalker II) aren't in there.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 12, 2018, 03:56:19 PM
Well, one ep isn’t announced still.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on October 12, 2018, 06:37:57 PM
If the BBFC episode times are correct, episodes will range from 78 to 82 minutes. If that's accurate I'm guessing one thing that will be gone are the Patton Oswald commercial break voice overs (which I thought were OK, but I also won't miss them if they don't return).
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: losingmydignity on October 13, 2018, 11:08:44 PM
I imagine the show will be shorter a few minutes as they will not have those rolling credits thanking a thousand people at the end of each ep. That was a pain while waiting for the stinger

Disappointed there isn't at least one cheesy weird 70's movie in the leaked list (Yet). Of course I've given hope on anything black and white and old.
At least I haven't seen any of the movies except Ator, of course.

spoiler alert: one is directed by the same guy who did Mutant, Kingdom of the Spiders and best rifftrax riff of the year so far, The DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARK.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on November 01, 2018, 08:03:33 PM
Disappointed there isn't at least one cheesy weird 70's movie in the leaked list (Yet). Of course I've given hope on anything black and white and old.
At least I haven't seen any of the movies except Ator, of course.
I'm disappointed about that as well, but per a recent interview I read somewhere with Joel, it sounds like it's a Netflix requirement that the movies all be widescreen HD. He didn't specifically say that they also had to be in color but the widescreen and HD requirements alone cut out a lot of old black and white and straight to VHS and 70s and 80s made for TV movie options. 
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Toyland Chairman on November 09, 2018, 04:36:59 PM
THE DAY TIME ENDED (1979)? From Charles Band, executive producer of LASERBLAST (1978)? Haven't watched the film in years. I can't wait for the MST3K episode.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: The Lurker on November 12, 2018, 09:34:11 AM
The new Season's trailer is here!
https://www.youtube.com/v/WdBCpnqFNew
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Johnny Unusual on November 12, 2018, 09:50:22 AM
I saw one of those in the theatre.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on November 12, 2018, 11:06:18 AM
Preview posted by The Lurker is also up on Netflix.
Interesting in that the preview names all 6 movies, so don't watch if you still want to be surprised by what movies are being riffed.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on November 12, 2018, 11:48:58 AM
Been rewatching season 11 in preparation and I've really come to appreciate what Jonah and the new bots bring to the table. The Joel era brought a mellow wit and pop-culture savvy, The Mike Era brought a lot more snark. Jonah brings a sort of affable manic energy. I want to compare it to Robin Williams, but I feel like that's doing it a disservice.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Anarchemist on November 12, 2018, 04:16:26 PM
I hate to be one of those people who is disappointed before the thing even comes out, but most of my fav episodes are older black & white movies. 1960's or earlier (I prefer color--so my ideal movies are color 50's and 60's stuff) But all of this season looks like it's from the 70s and 80s. And they're doing one that Rifftrax already did? (I know they did it with Wizards of the Lost Kingdom too last season. )
I was a fan of most of last season -- I'd rank some episodes among the show's finest and some episodes among the worst ever, but most are high on my list (the 1st 9 especially). But I was looking forward to some good old 1950's flying saucer and alien stuff  :-[
I'll get over it and am happy for a new season, but I hope we get a few of those kinda movies--or just more of a mix. Season 4 was my fav and it really covered the spectrum
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Johnny Unusual on November 12, 2018, 05:27:59 PM
I heard they wanted to do some of those, but it's a bit of a harder sell for Netflix, who want films in a more contemporary aspect ratio (IE, rectangle, not square.)  I still think they should do one classic "square" movie and make a gimmick out of it.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: JusSonic on November 12, 2018, 06:22:08 PM
I am excited for this new season!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

And A
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
, which Rifftrax has done a riff previously! Awesome!

Though, I'm wondering if Rifftrax will no longer sell the
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
one since they no longer sell the Wizards of the Lost Kingdom VOD (a movie done in Season 11).
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on November 12, 2018, 06:22:52 PM
I hate to be one of those people who is disappointed before the thing even comes out[……………]

Stop right there. I agree with you there. I had a hard time getting sold on the preview. Nothing generated a WHOA! or even a chuckle. It was just meh. I'll still give it a chance, but the trailer isn't doing it a service. This isn't the first time a trailer failed to sell me on something that was genuinely awesome, if the Gauntlet turns out to be so; for instance, I wasn't sold on "Sorry To Bother You" when seeing the trailer in the Theaters, but after watching the movie, it's now my favorite movie. Maybe The Gauntlet will turn out to be wunderbar after all…
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: LucasM on November 12, 2018, 07:18:10 PM
Thanks heaps for the spoilers that just about EVERYONE else was very careful to avoid here!  >:(  :angry:

I am excited for this new season!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
, which Rifftrax has done a riff previously! Awesome!

Though, I'm wondering if Rifftrax will no longer sell the
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
one since they no longer sell the Wizards of the Lost Kingdom VOD (a movie done in Season 11).
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: majorjoe23 on November 12, 2018, 07:21:27 PM
I am excited for this new season! Mac and Me! Atlantic Rim! Lords of the Deep! The Day Time Ended! Killer Fish!

And TITLE REDACTED, which Rifftrax has done a riff previously! Awesome!

Though, I'm wondering if Rifftrax will no longer sell the Ator one since they no longer sell the Wizards of the Lost Kingdom VOD (a movie done in Season 11).

Wizards was pulled like 48 hours after it was posted, and long before the MST3K movies were announced. If we're looking to that for precedent, Ator would have been pulled months ago.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on November 12, 2018, 07:24:27 PM
I really wasn't expecting to find the trailer funny (and didn't), but a couple of things in it did raise my interest in the new season.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: JusSonic on November 12, 2018, 07:33:24 PM
Thanks heaps for the spoilers that just about EVERYONE else was very careful to avoid here!  >:(  :angry:

I am excited for this new season!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
, which Rifftrax has done a riff previously! Awesome!

Though, I'm wondering if Rifftrax will no longer sell the
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one since they no longer sell the Wizards of the Lost Kingdom VOD (a movie done in Season 11).

Oops, sorry, my bad! I changed my post!
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on November 12, 2018, 08:31:15 PM
While I've seen a couple of the movies that will be in this upcoming season, we just watched one of them recently before knowing it was going to be featured. Late 70s movie that in my opinion is one that totally has the feel of something that would have made the original run.
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Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: losingmydignity on November 13, 2018, 06:00:42 AM
Let's just hope the riffing doesn't have the frenetic pacing of the trailer.

It does look like a good set of movies (except for Ator) to riff so let's hope for the best. Though let's face it, six movies in a row isn't really that many ; ) I'm also happy I haven't seen any of them except for Ator.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on November 13, 2018, 09:27:00 AM
It's about 9 hours of MST. That's a work day plus overtime. I want to view it as-intended, but parenthood makes it tough.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Quirk on November 13, 2018, 10:59:44 AM
Did anybody else notice that Crow is just... holding his mouth open for the duration of his lines now?
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on November 13, 2018, 12:38:09 PM
Yeah, I noticed. It gets better at the end. I'm thinking/hoping that those lines are dubbed over other scenes for the purpose of the advertisement.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on November 13, 2018, 12:39:40 PM
Did anybody else notice that Crow is just... holding his mouth open for the duration of his lines now?
Guessing that was just due to the trailer likely being quickly thrown together and edited with minimal budget and that his mouth will move in the final edited season...or maybe they want to confuse those of us who had a tough time with differientating the riffers last season even more.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Anarchemist on November 13, 2018, 05:36:16 PM
I hate to be one of those people who is disappointed before the thing even comes out[……………]

Stop right there. I agree with you there. I had a hard time getting sold on the preview. Nothing generated a WHOA! or even a chuckle. It was just meh. I'll still give it a chance, but the trailer isn't doing it a service. This isn't the first time a trailer failed to sell me on something that was genuinely awesome, if the Gauntlet turns out to be so; for instance, I wasn't sold on "Sorry To Bother You" when seeing the trailer in the Theaters, but after watching the movie, it's now my favorite movie. Maybe The Gauntlet will turn out to be wunderbar after all…

Believe me, I will do more than give it a chance! I am hoping to absolutely love the new season, But I just wish we'd go a little further back with the movies than 1979!  Half the fun of some of these movies was seeing what they thought space travel would be like prior to 1969's moon landing
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: WhyDontTheyLook on November 14, 2018, 08:33:58 AM
Believe me, I will do more than give it a chance! I am hoping to absolutely love the new season, But I just wish we'd go a little further back with the movies than 1979!  Half the fun of some of these movies was seeing what they thought space travel would be like prior to 1969's moon landing

From what I've read, one of Netflix's imposed requirements was that the movies for this season had to be in HD and widescreen.  That unfortunately cuts out a lot of older candidates.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on November 14, 2018, 01:14:57 PM
Believe me, I will do more than give it a chance! I am hoping to absolutely love the new season, But I just wish we'd go a little further back with the movies than 1979!  Half the fun of some of these movies was seeing what they thought space travel would be like prior to 1969's moon landing

Ooooh, like First Spaceship On Venus, right?

:D :D
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Darth Geek on November 15, 2018, 09:39:00 AM
Half the fun of some of these movies was seeing what they thought space travel would be like prior to 1969's moon landing
When they thought that plywood would withstand the rigors of outer space.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: CJones on November 19, 2018, 06:36:17 AM
I saw Mac and Me in the theater as a kid. Yes really. Can't wait to see that riffed. I'm honestly surprised Rifftrax hasn't done it already.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: CJones on November 19, 2018, 06:39:53 AM
Did anybody else notice that Crow is just... holding his mouth open for the duration of his lines now?

In the last shot of the trailer he's moving it normally, so I hope that was just a trailer issue.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Iron Curtain on November 19, 2018, 05:39:23 PM
SPOILERS GALORE (but not TOO spoilerific, they don't reveal the plot of the episodes, they just speak in generalities)!

https://thefilmera.com/2018/11/19/mystery-science-theater-3000-the-gauntlet/

Also, Quirk will love this:

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There were some calls for the jokes to breathe in The Return, the previous season, and here it is fine-tuned and less of an issue.

OMGOMGOMG!!!! We may have another classic season on our hands!!!
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: linszoid on November 19, 2018, 06:33:10 PM
Believe me, I will do more than give it a chance! I am hoping to absolutely love the new season, But I just wish we'd go a little further back with the movies than 1979!  Half the fun of some of these movies was seeing what they thought space travel would be like prior to 1969's moon landing

Ooooh, like First Spaceship On Venus, right?

:D :D

Those are some of my favorite episodes. The ones like FSoV, Rocketship XM, 12 to the Moon etc...
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on November 20, 2018, 07:56:04 AM
My favorite riffing subjects are giant monster movies, misguided kid's movies, and campy Star Wars wannabes, which Season 11 gave me in spades and it doesn't look like we're letting up any time soon.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: wihogfan on November 20, 2018, 08:19:06 AM
I like variety and thought they over did it with big monster movies in Season 11. Don't think we'll ever get one by the new MST3K, but I'd love an old black and white flick with teenager characters acted by 40 year olds.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: linszoid on November 22, 2018, 07:39:46 AM
I officially signed up for Netflix free trial. Now I have to decide if I want to try saving a day to binge watch the new episodes or just watch them piece-meal.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: BathTub on November 22, 2018, 01:59:28 PM
I might watch one tonight, then the rest tomorrow.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: dbsommer on November 23, 2018, 12:12:07 AM
So, Atlantic Rim. Just, wow.  So, kind of like when you  hire one actual actor, the chick you are sleeping with, and some people off the street. That was what it was like.
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: The Lurker on November 23, 2018, 07:49:05 PM
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/11/mystery-science-theater-3000-season-12-the-gauntlet-joel-hodgson-jonah-ray-interview-1202022616/ (https://www.indiewire.com/2018/11/mystery-science-theater-3000-season-12-the-gauntlet-joel-hodgson-jonah-ray-interview-1202022616/)
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Anarchemist on December 04, 2018, 09:04:03 PM
I was far more disappointed with that entire season than I expected. Mac & Me was no Pod People, but it was ok. Actually all of them were ok. If they'd been mixed in with 6 or 7 movies from the 40's-60's I probably wouldn't even notice them. But since it's just 6 movies from 1979-today, they feel less varied than a "real" season of mst, to me.
I guess I am blaming Netflix for the lack of older (much funnier) movies.
Here's what I believe: The 1960s were turbulent. Assassinations, war, protests, up thru watergate and Nixon in the early 70s. Films in the 70s start to get uglier, less naive, gorier. I think you can start to see it creeping into Manos from 1968, but of course Manos is still batshit crazy funny. But not as funny to me as Red Zone Cuba or Bride of the Monster (I would say movies like The Room and Birdemic both seem like coulda-been-Ed-Wood type movies that really harken back to that time of naivete. But those seem really rare).
 I like a movie where NASA is still family-owned and operated. Spaceships were spacious and despite being made mostly of plywood, you could still smoke in 'em. I like a movie where a guy could ride the rails and meet a swell mentor like Big Stupid, a movie where a guy could sing whenever he sings whenever he sings and really put his leg up; a movie where you can use your sampo to create an interocitor and then just climb rocks for 20 minutes looking for sodium.
   
Anyway, I didn't mind these 6 movies; but they were pretty much all my least favorites in the history of the show. If the mythical next season we won't have to wait too long for rectifies this by including movies similar to Yongary, Beast of Hollow Mountain, I Accuse My Parents, The Amazing Colossal Man (or Beast) or a Rocky Jones space adventure or 2, I'll be thrilled.
Maybe Joel should check with Amazon Prime, Hulu, Comedy Central(?), etc about these stupid restrictions Netflix seems to be requiring. 
Title: Re: Season 12
Post by: Pak-Man on May 23, 2019, 11:24:18 AM
My Blu-ray set just shipped and should be arriving next Wednesday!