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RiffTrax Discussion => Individual RiffTrax Discussion => Kill and Kill Again => Topic started by: CJones on October 22, 2017, 07:01:14 AM

Title: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: CJones on October 22, 2017, 07:01:14 AM
It's not like it's a long movie, but about 30 minutes were cut. Most of what was cut were fight scenes, particularly scenes involving the other four characters. Didn't you wonder why so much of the movie was spent on recruiting the Fly, and then he didn't do anything?

This was one of the best riffs this year. Here's to hoping we get a complete version in the near future.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: V.E.R.A. on October 24, 2017, 09:03:21 AM
The real tragedy is what we lost out on in terms of Riffs here.   There is an additional 30 minutes of lost fight footage; the gang tears up a redneck bar and battles an army of evil karate dudes who show up via parachute drop. 

There is also a brief but priceless lovescene with Steve Chase and Kandy Kane where he opens the floor by licking her on the shoulder (candy cane? seriously?)   

Could Mike Kevin and Bill pick up the "lost footage" in an amended release?  Or a live show?  One can only hope...  This was one of the funniest Riffs I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: ManUnderMask on October 24, 2017, 08:24:28 PM
I asked the same question and got no answer either. And as I've posted before, this isn't the first one. Every VOD from Missile X (minus Oblivion and Little Unicorn) are all missing 15 to 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: Thrashalla on October 27, 2017, 11:02:07 AM
The movies are being edited for content, pacing, and just overall comedy.  It's the same thing that they used to do with MST, just now it doesn't have to be done for ad breaks. They go through the move, give me the timecode that they want cut, I make it look as natural as I can. In the end it enables them to riff movies that have potential but they otherwise wouldn't touch.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: wihogfan on October 27, 2017, 11:26:23 AM
I understand a bit why it's done, but still wish it wasn't being done. This week's relaease is another one. Mind Ripper- full film clocks in at 108 minutes. Riiftrax release only 77.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on October 27, 2017, 12:09:02 PM
The movies are being edited for content, pacing, and just overall comedy.  It's the same thing that they used to do with MST, just now it doesn't have to be done for ad breaks. They go through the move, give me the timecode that they want cut, I make it look as natural as I can. In the end it enables them to riff movies that have potential but they otherwise wouldn't touch.

Bad move.  Just think of the number of Golden Corral and Nick Nolte jokes we could be missing out on!
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: ManUnderMask on October 27, 2017, 01:03:21 PM
I understand a bit why it's done, but still wish it wasn't being done. This week's relaease is another one. Mind Ripper- full film clocks in at 108 minutes. Riiftrax release only 77.

Missile X lost 25 minutes.

Uninvited, Final Justice, Merlin, and Psychotronic Man weren't cut too bad (12 to 16), but they were also only 90 minutes.

Though this does make me want to find the uncut versions now. Maybe I can sycn the riffs up to that, and just have massive gaps of silence during the cut parts. Hmm. I think I have a new project which I will abandon after two weeks. Did I say two weeks? I mean I already abandoned it.

Bad move.

Golden Corral's new slogan.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: eegah on October 27, 2017, 01:40:49 PM
Though this does make me want to find the uncut versions now. Maybe I can sycn the riffs up to that, and just have massive gaps of silence during the cut parts. Hmm. I think I have a new project which I will abandon after two weeks. Did I say two weeks? I mean I already abandoned it.

I did that with Shake Hands With Danger, because the parts that they cut out were hilarious on their own. I ended up putting some text at the bottom of the video during the unriffed sections (letting the viewer know there were no riffs). Not sure if that was better than nothing or not.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on October 27, 2017, 11:09:37 PM

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Bad move.

Golden Corral's new slogan.
;D

In truth, I actually love the Golden Corral running gag.  If I were a rich man, I would hire someone to go through every Rifftrax of the past few years and make a supercut of every time they used that gag.  Or if I had the patience I'd do it myself, but you'd have to watch over 100 Rifftrax to flush them all out.  They've been going to that well for years now.

I do honestly detest the Nick Nolte jokes, and grit my teeth whenever I know one is coming.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: losingmydignity on October 27, 2017, 11:50:55 PM
I get it, I get it, especially where repetitive fight scenes and such are concerned.

But 30 minutes is a bit much.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: V.E.R.A. on November 01, 2017, 10:05:44 AM
But 30 minutes is a bit much.

I agree.  The Kane/Chase love scene definitely should have gotten the treatment. 
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: CJones on November 01, 2017, 12:03:11 PM
Here's the thing: If I'm paying $10 for a VoD, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect around 90 minutes of movie. Unless the movie itself is shorter than that.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: Darth Geek on November 01, 2017, 01:05:50 PM
Here's the thing: If I'm paying $10 for a VoD, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect around 90 minutes of movie. Unless the movie itself is shorter than that.
I agree. Also it's only the significantly longer movies, well over two hours, they they have increased the price due to the length. I am fine with that as well. So for $10 I can expect an hour and a half to two hour movie.

I get that these kinds of movies can be challenging to riff, due to repetitiveness or pacing. But it's often in those challenging portions that they have brought us the best running gags. Rock climbing, Reb Brown's goofy names, Packers, etc.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 01, 2017, 05:18:46 PM
Personally, I want the funniest product - If that means cutting the movie, I am 100% on board.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: losingmydignity on November 04, 2017, 04:48:29 AM
If I'm not mistaken MST eps minus host segs clocked in at about 120 minutes.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on November 04, 2017, 05:02:35 AM
If I'm not mistaken MST eps minus host segs clocked in at about 120 minutes.

Minus host segments?  The episodes were 2 hours long with commercial, host segments, opening and closing credits.  The full episode without commercials comes in about 88 minutes.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: losingmydignity on November 04, 2017, 09:02:14 AM
If I'm not mistaken MST eps minus host segs clocked in at about 120 minutes.

Minus host segments?  The episodes were 2 hours long with commercial, host segments, opening and closing credits.  The full episode without commercials comes in about 88 minutes.

Sorry I meant minus commercials and host segs. Just talking about riffing in the theater, the movie. I think the last theater sequence is a little shorter than the others. So about 118 minutes of movie?
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on November 04, 2017, 09:39:23 AM
If I'm not mistaken MST eps minus host segs clocked in at about 120 minutes.

Minus host segments?  The episodes were 2 hours long with commercial, host segments, opening and closing credits.  The full episode without commercials comes in about 88 minutes.

Sorry I meant minus commercials and host segs. Just talking about riffing in the theater, the movie. I think the last theater sequence is a little shorter than the others. So about 118 minutes of movie?

118 minutes is almost 2 hours.  It's about 88-90 minutes per episode without commercials.  When you subtract the host segments, it's even less movie.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 04, 2017, 05:08:54 PM
Yeah, you get about 70-80 mins of riffing once you subtract the other stuff, so the same as what you get now. You can easily check this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094517/

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1h 32min
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: majorjoe23 on November 04, 2017, 06:46:21 PM
If I'm not mistaken MST eps minus host segs clocked in at about 120 minutes.

More like 93-97 minutes. With commercials it was 120 minutes.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: wihogfan on November 04, 2017, 08:34:12 PM
After watching Mind Ripper tonight, I'd argue that the MST3K excuse doesn't fly. If an MST3K riffed movie ended with showing 7 minutes of credits, they would have riffed over those credits. Cutting 30 minutes out of an hour and 45 minute movie and leaving 7 minutes worth of unriffed credits at the end doesn't sit right. I can understand cutting some unfamily friendly scenes here and there to try and keep releases PG, but Rifftrax started as riffing entire movies and not doing that for the new VOD business model seems like a cop out.
It won't stop me from buying any releases, but a lot of what was cut from Kill and Kill Again (as an example) was very very riffable and it's disappointing we didn't get it.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: losingmydignity on November 05, 2017, 01:55:42 AM
If I'm not mistaken MST eps minus host segs clocked in at about 120 minutes.

More like 93-97 minutes. With commercials it was 120 minutes.

I should not do math when I'm tired.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: dbsommer on November 05, 2017, 06:20:26 PM
Loathe though I am to admit it, I now recall the original well enough that cutting it made it even worse than it already was. How could they not riff on a crack skydiving team attacking our intrepid heroes? They somehow managed to cut out the fact Hot Dog would annoyingly say 'Hot Dog' every 5 minutes, out of the movie completely.

Yes, his own name was also his catchphrase.

As it is, this actually felt incredibly rushed, and the only reason he needed to recruit his 'crack team' was to throw him at the bad guy, and for someone to hold the helicopter blade. Did Hot Dog do anything in this clipped version? Besides wearing the same guard outfit everyone else was?

What was there was good, but if you have to cut nearly a third of a movie to make a good riff, it's probably a better idea to use a different movie.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: Thrashalla on November 06, 2017, 09:10:23 AM
For what it's worth - this has been discussed at company meetings and it has been decided that we're going to lighten up on the editing. This, Mind Ripper, and one other to come, were edited and written before that discussion happened but there is going to be less of this kind of thing going forward. Still edits in some movies, but used more sparingly.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: wihogfan on November 06, 2017, 11:23:19 AM
Thanks Thrashalla.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: losingmydignity on November 07, 2017, 07:38:46 AM
That's good news. Thank you.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: V.E.R.A. on November 10, 2017, 12:58:33 PM
For what it's worth - this has been discussed at company meetings and it has been decided that we're going to lighten up on the editing. This, Mind Ripper, and one other to come, were edited and written before that discussion happened but there is going to be less of this kind of thing going forward. Still edits in some movies, but used more sparingly.

Thank you - that is great news.   If the guys ever get around to riffing the rest of K&K again we would love to see it.  I've seen the rest of the movie since then and the material there really is priceless.
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: MrTorso on November 11, 2017, 07:42:29 AM
That is good to hear. Too bad you guys couldn't get the HD version that is out on blu-ray now. 
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: ManUnderMask on November 11, 2017, 09:18:21 AM
That is good to hear. Too bad you guys couldn't get the HD version that is out on blu-ray now.

Crappy old movies lost some of their charm if the picture is crystal clear. Give me VHS quality or give me death!
Title: Re: Why was so much of the movie missing?
Post by: Phileaux on November 11, 2017, 03:04:42 PM

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Bad move.

Golden Corral's new slogan.
;D

In truth, I actually love the Golden Corral running gag.  If I were a rich man, I would hire someone to go through every Rifftrax of the past few years and make a supercut of every time they used that gag.  Or if I had the patience I'd do it myself, but you'd have to watch over 100 Rifftrax to flush them all out.  They've been going to that well for years now.

I do honestly detest the Nick Nolte jokes, and grit my teeth whenever I know one is coming.

I was a bit surprised to find that nobody's at least made a text list of them all.

And you're not the only one on the Nick Nolte bits. If they retired him for good I wouldn't mind at all.