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Title: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on June 19, 2017, 09:44:38 AM
Since I love discussing Star Trek in my own thread, perhaps it's time to start a dedicated thread for the new Discovery series:
http://iearths.blogspot.ca/2017/06/star-trek-discovery-sets-official-fall.html (http://iearths.blogspot.ca/2017/06/star-trek-discovery-sets-official-fall.html)
We can discuss the new show here and everything else Star Trek can still be discussed/posted in my other thread ;D
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on June 20, 2017, 09:52:47 PM
http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-premiere-delay-explained/ (http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-premiere-delay-explained/)
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on June 21, 2017, 06:58:12 PM
http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-vulcan-michael-burnham/ (http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-vulcan-michael-burnham/)
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on June 21, 2017, 09:03:35 PM
http://iearths.blogspot.ca/2017/06/meet-captain-lorca-from-star-trek.html (http://iearths.blogspot.ca/2017/06/meet-captain-lorca-from-star-trek.html)

Not sure how I feel about Jason Isaacs playing him.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on June 22, 2017, 05:05:22 AM
I'm still not sure why they aren't continuing the time line past Voyager ???
Didn't they learn from their mistakes with Enterprise? ?
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on June 27, 2017, 09:48:37 AM
http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-jonathan-frakes-direct/ (http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-jonathan-frakes-direct/)
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on June 27, 2017, 11:09:42 AM
http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-jonathan-frakes-direct/ (http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-jonathan-frakes-direct/)
Nice! Maybe Levar Burton will direct some episodes as well :o
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: guitarshark on July 01, 2017, 05:08:18 AM
http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-jonathan-frakes-direct/ (http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-jonathan-frakes-direct/)

Fuck yes.  I think the government should take $1 billion dollars out of the defense budget and devote it to making the best Star Trek series ever for the good of the people.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on July 18, 2017, 07:03:55 PM
Looks like the face of Sand people..
http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/07/lock-and-load-new-discovery-phasers-revealed/
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on July 22, 2017, 05:06:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/hC7IMj7WFyE
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 22, 2017, 09:41:14 PM
WTF, was there one clip in that thing longer than 2 seconds.  Seriously, try counting past 2 on any clip...

Guess they think anyone that might sign up for All Access would have severe A.D.D.

The Harry Mud character being "dark" and zero humor in the trailer is not a good sign. 
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on July 23, 2017, 05:55:03 AM
HA! You're right! :o
And WTF's up with the Klingons ??? They've mutated again >:(
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 23, 2017, 08:47:01 AM
Yeah, the Klingons are all wrong.  This is looking more like a new reboot, making up their own timeline.

Here's hoping the show by Seth MacFarlane, The Orville, will be more like Star Trek than anything we have gotten in the last decade.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on July 23, 2017, 09:45:20 AM
I'm hoping the show will explain the Klingons.  Hoping that they'll end up a offshoots and that the old ones still exist.  If anything the uniforms and other things remind me of Enterprise.  I'm hopeful that Orville will be good,  but Seth's character looks like he'll be another obnoxiously smug self-insert that he played in A Million Ways.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: BathTub on July 23, 2017, 04:04:33 PM
Yeah it was mentioned that this is a distinct tribe/group of klingons.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Imrahil on July 23, 2017, 10:20:10 PM
Yeah, the Klingons are all wrong.  This is looking more like a new reboot, making up their own timeline.

Here's hoping the show by Seth MacFarlane, The Orville, will be more like Star Trek than anything we have gotten in the last decade.

The Orville looks great. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on August 01, 2017, 06:41:23 AM
http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/08/star-trek-discovery-uss-shenzhou-is-a-walker-class-starship/
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 01, 2017, 10:10:08 AM
Recently found out the reason Star Trek made by Paramount no longer looks like anything made before, it seems all the company merging and splitting between CBS, Viacom, and Paramount has left the Star Trek license fractured.  CBS has the license for all the old TV stuff, Paramount has some kind of license for movies but they have to pay CBS if they use anything that looks like what was on TV.  So that's why JJtrek looks the way it does, and why Discovery looks odd, even though CBS ordered the show Paramount is making it.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on August 01, 2017, 10:41:59 AM
Recently found out the reason Star Trek made by Paramount no longer looks like anything made before, it seems all the company merging and splitting between CBS, Viacom, and Paramount has left the Star Trek license fractured.  CBS has the license for all the old TV stuff, Paramount has some kind of license for movies but they have to pay CBS if they use anything that looks like what was on TV.  So that's why JJtrek looks the way it does, and why Discovery looks odd, even though CBS ordered the show Paramount is making it.
No wonder it's been a mish-mash cluster f@(# lately :o
I mean I really want to get into the new show but I'm afraid this could go the way of the Star Wars prequels for me :-[
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Imrahil on August 01, 2017, 10:49:56 AM
It looks like shit. At best it's a reboot of the Enterprise concept. At worst it's trying to erase TOS.  Plus, with the shoehorning in of their proprietary streaming service...nah. I'll watch The Orville instead.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 01, 2017, 03:16:27 PM
It looks like shit. At best it's a reboot of the Enterprise concept. At worst it's trying to erase TOS.  Plus, with the shoehorning in of their proprietary streaming service...nah. I'll watch The Orville instead.

With it being exclusive to CBS streaming that probably means no amazon or itunes video or even Blu-Ray until probably spring of 2019 (a year after they finish airing season one next spring).   

So, those of us not jumping in with CBS streaming will have plenty of time to read reviews and determine if the stories are any good.  It doesn't look like it's going to be Star Trek but maybe it will be a good science fiction show.

Nicholas Meyer is rumored to be working on his own Star Trek project, bigger rumor is that it's a backup if Discovery crashes and burns.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on August 02, 2017, 10:02:56 AM
http://www.cbs.com/shows/star-trek-discovery/news/1007427/star-trek-discovery-the-most-serialized-star-trek-ever-say-producers/
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on August 02, 2017, 10:12:21 AM
http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-canon-movies-books/ (http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-canon-movies-books/)
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Jesse412 on August 02, 2017, 04:16:11 PM
 It looks like the series is set after Enterprise and before the original series but also takes place in the Abrams-verse.  I'm exciting to see Klingons in this but don't care for their look.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Imrahil on August 02, 2017, 04:41:50 PM
It looks like the series is set after Enterprise and before the original series but also takes place in the Abrams-verse.  I'm exciting to see Klingons in this but don't care for their look.


No, they explicitly say it is NOT in the Abrams-verse.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 02, 2017, 05:27:57 PM
Well, they were saying Discovery was 10 years before TOS in the prime timeline, so 90 years after season 4 of Enterprise, but they haven't been saying anything about the timeline during the last year or so of delays.  Not sure if any of the new interviews have mentioned it other than saying it is not the JJ timeline.

I've seen a few interviews that talk about a plot line with a big decision, and talk of implications for the universe, so I'm guessing they are pulling a JJ of some kind to explain how these ships could possibly be around at the same time captain Pike was on a constitution class Enterprise.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on August 10, 2017, 06:35:01 AM
http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/08/first-list-of-star-trek-discovery-licensees-detailed/
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on August 14, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/star-trek-new-captain-not-care-trekkies-article-1.3404011
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on August 17, 2017, 01:49:53 PM
https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2017/08/17/star-trek-discovery-trailer-burnham-lorca/
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on August 18, 2017, 09:58:25 AM
Wow ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Captain Jason Isaacs Clashes With Trek Fans :o
http://www.treknews.net/2017/08/17/jason-isaacs-star-trek-fans-shatner/
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Russoguru on August 18, 2017, 04:02:39 PM
I dunno, but probably not a good idea to stir up things like that.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on August 25, 2017, 06:47:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/l5cqgxo.jpg)
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on August 29, 2017, 04:16:40 AM
http://www.treknews.net/2017/08/28/star-trek-discovery-klingon-trailer/
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on September 12, 2017, 11:32:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/8dYJ2dXKAIs
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on September 16, 2017, 10:48:24 AM
http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-bryan-fuller-anthology-pitch/ (http://screencrush.com/star-trek-discovery-bryan-fuller-anthology-pitch/)
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 16, 2017, 11:01:42 AM
CBS isn't allowing reviews to be published before the air date, that's not a good sign.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on September 16, 2017, 11:15:11 AM
CBS isn't allowing reviews to be published before the air date, that's not a good sign.
Gees! Maybe The Orville should just put Star Trek in front of it as it appears to be sounding like a better show :-\
Star Trek Orville :o
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: CJones on September 23, 2017, 11:02:18 PM
CBS isn't allowing reviews to be published before the air date, that's not a good sign.
Gees! Maybe The Orville should just put Star Trek in front of it as it appears to be sounding like a better show :-\
Star Trek Orville :o

We'll find out tomorrow. But so far, The Orville is much more in the vein of Star Trek than the vibes I've been getting from Discovery.

Why is it so hard to make a new Star Trek series? Dark gritty ST reimagining? NO! The director and/or producer's personal interpretation of Star Trek? NO! You know what Star Trek is. DO THAT! But so far, all indications are that The Orville is out Star Trek-ing you straight out of the gate.

Please, come tomorrow, prove me wrong.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 24, 2017, 07:00:14 AM
From what I've read the first episode is a two part one, and only part 1 will air on CBS tonight.

So you'll need to get CBS All Access to see the second half of the first episode. 

I'm betting the first half ends on a cliffhanger, with ads telling you to sign up for All Access to see the rest.

I am not getting any more streaming services, and especially not for only one show, so I'm not going to even bother with this, if it comes out on Blu-Ray in a year or 2 I'll think about getting it.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: goflyblind on September 24, 2017, 07:51:33 AM
So you'll need to get CBS All Access to see the second half of the first episode.

oh, okay. another thing i'll have to torrent, being a not american. :-\
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Imrahil on September 24, 2017, 07:55:09 AM
So you'll need to get CBS All Access to see the second half of the first episode.

oh, okay. another thing i'll have to torrent, being a not american. :-\

It's airing on Netflix for most of the world. I think Canada is also fucked this time around though.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on September 24, 2017, 08:01:42 AM
Actually, we will have it on CraveTV, a Canadian streaming service. That's how I got to watch Twin Peaks.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on September 24, 2017, 05:57:24 PM
Ok I'm watching it now and hoping this will catch my attention.. :-\
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Russoguru on September 24, 2017, 06:02:52 PM
I am currently watching it now too. Got my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on September 24, 2017, 06:56:02 PM
Ok alot of WTF's from the Klingons to Sarak, to.. What ever the ship's name is ???
A lot of special effects and a very confusing plot (and a lot of commercials)!
I have no idea what I just watched :-[
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Russoguru on September 24, 2017, 07:06:11 PM
I did kinda like the Klingons at least.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on September 24, 2017, 07:22:34 PM
From what I've read, the different Klingon look had to do with the different houses.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on September 24, 2017, 07:34:51 PM
Again my argument has been.. Why not carry things on into the FUTURE... ???
It would make a little more sense at least that way with the different houses, the special effects and other stuff would add bit more focus to the plot instead of 'filling a void' ::) ..
And lose TOS sounds on the bridge FFS! :grr:
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Russoguru on September 24, 2017, 07:36:38 PM
Huh... I must have not been paying attention, I didn't even notice the TOS sounds.  :o
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on September 24, 2017, 07:51:39 PM
Huh... I must have not been paying attention, I didn't even notice the TOS sounds.  :o
Oh they're there..
The sonar ping sounds and WHISH sounds from the sliding doors..
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on September 24, 2017, 08:05:36 PM
Maybe I'm critiquing things a bit too much right out of the gate here but I just think that continuing with the original Star Trek timeline would have just made more sense here instead of reinventing the Klingons (for a 3rd time I might add) which makes no sense to me when you're even attempting to fill a void in the ST timeline :-\
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Russoguru on September 24, 2017, 08:30:38 PM
We'll just have to wait and see. Just like I said on FB, even DS9 wasn't brilliant at first.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on September 24, 2017, 08:32:02 PM
Right now it seems like the show's largest enemy is once again it's own network.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Road_Element on September 24, 2017, 11:25:27 PM
From what I've read, the different Klingon look had to do with the different houses.

Yeah i don't get that. It was never really established that each Klingon houses look like a almost different species. If you could come up with the most cringe worthy alien design. I would give it to the new Klingons. You might as well model a new species after the Gill-man from Creature from the Black Lagoon
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: CJones on September 25, 2017, 03:19:41 AM
WAY too many commercials. I'm reminded of why I never watch regular TV any more. And after all that, just to be told I'd have to pay for CBS All Access to watch the rest of the pilot. This has got to be the worst botched pilot in history.

You SHOW THE WHOLE PILOT Jackasses. That's how Pilot's work. I've never seen a better justification for using BitTorrent. Sat through a crap ton of ads? Now pay us money to watch the rest.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on September 25, 2017, 04:02:28 AM
WAY too many commercials. I'm reminded of why I never watch regular TV any more. And after all that, just to be told I'd have to pay for CBS All Access to watch the rest of the pilot. This has got to be the worst botched pilot in history.

You SHOW THE WHOLE PILOT Jackasses. That's how Pilot's work. I've never seen a better justification for using BitTorrent. Sat through a crap ton of ads? Now pay us money to watch the rest.
THIS about all the commercials! I was either muting them or flipping to Sunday Night Football..

And the pilot didn't even keep my attention to want to see the second part of it  :-[
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on September 25, 2017, 06:24:27 AM
I did hear they were going to use several different types of Klingons for the show.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Road_Element on September 25, 2017, 09:52:37 AM
I don't think you guys are missing much from not seeing the second episode. I think its actually worse than the first. Frankly i find this show to be boring as well as Cold and lifeless and really doesn't resemble Star Trek at all. Ill probably just back to watching the orville.

P.S. if you must know what happens
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Sounds like your average Star Trek story right? :speechless:
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on September 25, 2017, 10:13:41 AM
I don't think you guys are missing much from not seeing the second episode. I think its actually worse than the first. Frankly i find this show to be boring as well as Cold and lifeless and really doesn't resemble Star Trek at all. Ill probably just back to watching the orville.

P.S. if you must know what happens
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Sounds like your average Star Trek story right? :speechless:
I don't know about that.  It kinda reminded me of Enterprise, at least visually.  I'll wait till it's available on another service before watching further.  Then again I can't think of many sci-fi shows that were strong out of the gate.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on September 25, 2017, 10:20:29 AM
I don't think you guys are missing much from not seeing the second episode. I think its actually worse than the first. Frankly i find this show to be boring as well as Cold and lifeless and really doesn't resemble Star Trek at all. Ill probably just back to watching the orville.

P.S. if you must know what happens
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Sounds like your average Star Trek story right? :speechless:
I don't know about that.  It kinda reminded me of Enterprise, at least visually.  I'll wait till it's available on another service before watching further.  Then again I can't think of many sci-fi shows that were strong out of the gate.
Yeah the more I think about it, the more it looks rehashed to the point that it's not going to keep my attention..
Haven't seen The Orville yet but will give it a try but otherwise, I may be starting another TNG & DS9 marathon soon :-[
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Road_Element on September 25, 2017, 11:36:35 AM
Well to me Star Trek is about ethical and moral dilemmas. So far i cant see this show doing that anytime soon. Frankly at this point i just want Star Trek to die. I thinks its been dead for a long time. But Paramont and CBS keep on playing "Weekend at Bernies". Going place to place trying convince everybody its alive. or Maybe is like a old suffering cow that they keep alive to get every last drop of milk they can. The only reason they made this TV show was because Star Trek Beyond didn't do that well. If this flops, i hope they put an end to it.  At least until someone who actually care about it decide to revive it. Between the 5 TV Shows. It think we need more than enough Star Trek.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Imrahil on September 25, 2017, 12:34:27 PM
I actually think this is true for a lot of franchises.  The new Star Wars movies are totally unnecessary.

I watched about the first 30 minutes of the first episode. Visually it was nice, but I found it very dark (like hard to see dark, not tonally dark).  I also didn't really understand why the senior officers were doing so much shit-talking on the bridge. Seemed unproductive, but maybe that's just how Georgiou ran her ship? I dunno.

I still don't like the designs very much.  I hate the Klingon design.

I was interested in the first part, but I don't know how interested I am in actually finishing the episodes. 

Basically I didn't hate it (which surprised me) but I didn't think it felt very much like Star Trek.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on September 25, 2017, 12:51:36 PM
I couldn't make it through that trailer.  The ceaseless string of "wise" sayings drove me away.  I hate when someone thinks that just having a sentence with two clauses that contradict each other makes that sentence deep.  "Sometimes the coldest things are actually quite hot."  "In order to move forward, you must take a step back."   Blech.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on September 26, 2017, 12:10:26 PM
CBS putting this exclusively on an online service and not using any of their copious network TV time slots pisses me off.  I actually had a dream that I was in the board room of CBS and yelling at them "YOU ARE NOT HBO.  YOU DO NOT CHARGE PREMIUM COSTS FOR YOUR CONTENT."

If a show goes to a streaming service, and it belongs to that streaming service as the one and only distribution channel, fine.  It seems fair that someone should have to sign up to Netflix to watch Orange is the New Black, or Hulu to watch The Path, or Amazon Prime to watch Bosch... fine.  Those shows were picked up by those content providers who have only their online platform to provide them.  But CBS is a mainstream network, older than TV itself, that has historically been provided free to viewers with advertisers paying the costs.  CBS trying to morph into HBO or Netflix etc., is a blatant, insulting cash grab.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 26, 2017, 01:55:54 PM
It's the "exclusive" part that pisses me off.  I wonder if they have even bothered to do the research on how much money they would make if these exclusive streaming shows were made available on services like iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, etc...  I'm sure there are a lot of people like me that are not going to sign up for CBS All Access but would be willing to pay $3 per episode to try out Discovery.  So they could make money from me, but they won't the way things are now. 
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on September 26, 2017, 02:20:22 PM
It's the "exclusive" part that pisses me off.  I wonder if they have even bothered to do the research on how much money they would make if these exclusive streaming shows were made available on services like iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, etc...  I'm sure there are a lot of people like me that are not going to sign up for CBS All Access but would be willing to pay $3 per episode to try out Discovery.  So they could make money from me, but they won't the way things are now.

I'm in the same boat with Mr. Mercedes.  I enjoyed the book and its two sequels.  I saw the first two episodes for free and loved them.  But it's only available through AT&T's satellite service or through their subscription based monthly streaming service.

I wonder if full subscribers still have to deal with commercials on Star Trek Discovery.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on September 26, 2017, 02:58:39 PM
It's the "exclusive" part that pisses me off.  I wonder if they have even bothered to do the research on how much money they would make if these exclusive streaming shows were made available on services like iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, etc...  I'm sure there are a lot of people like me that are not going to sign up for CBS All Access but would be willing to pay $3 per episode to try out Discovery.  So they could make money from me, but they won't the way things are now.

I'm in the same boat with Mr. Mercedes.  I enjoyed the book and its two sequels.  I saw the first two episodes for free and loved them.  But it's only available through AT&T's satellite service or through their subscription based monthly streaming service.

I wonder if full subscribers still have to deal with commercials on Star Trek Discovery.
Yeah there's still commercials on All Access, oddly enough.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 26, 2017, 03:15:03 PM
It's the "exclusive" part that pisses me off.  I wonder if they have even bothered to do the research on how much money they would make if these exclusive streaming shows were made available on services like iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, etc...  I'm sure there are a lot of people like me that are not going to sign up for CBS All Access but would be willing to pay $3 per episode to try out Discovery.  So they could make money from me, but they won't the way things are now.

I'm in the same boat with Mr. Mercedes.  I enjoyed the book and its two sequels.  I saw the first two episodes for free and loved them.  But it's only available through AT&T's satellite service or through their subscription based monthly streaming service.

I wonder if full subscribers still have to deal with commercials on Star Trek Discovery.
Yeah there's still commercials on All Access, oddly enough.

I think if you pay $10 a month you don't get commercials.  I didn't look to see if it was $10 extra or $10 total, the normal price with commercials is $6.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on September 26, 2017, 04:11:55 PM
It's the "exclusive" part that pisses me off.  I wonder if they have even bothered to do the research on how much money they would make if these exclusive streaming shows were made available on services like iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, etc...  I'm sure there are a lot of people like me that are not going to sign up for CBS All Access but would be willing to pay $3 per episode to try out Discovery.  So they could make money from me, but they won't the way things are now.

I'm in the same boat with Mr. Mercedes.  I enjoyed the book and its two sequels.  I saw the first two episodes for free and loved them.  But it's only available through AT&T's satellite service or through their subscription based monthly streaming service.

I wonder if full subscribers still have to deal with commercials on Star Trek Discovery.
Yeah there's still commercials on All Access, oddly enough.

So you pay money to get the exact same thing CBS has been offering for free for decades?
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Russoguru on September 26, 2017, 04:17:27 PM
Yeah if that's the case that would really piss me off.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 26, 2017, 05:07:53 PM
It's the "exclusive" part that pisses me off.  I wonder if they have even bothered to do the research on how much money they would make if these exclusive streaming shows were made available on services like iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, etc...  I'm sure there are a lot of people like me that are not going to sign up for CBS All Access but would be willing to pay $3 per episode to try out Discovery.  So they could make money from me, but they won't the way things are now.

I'm in the same boat with Mr. Mercedes.  I enjoyed the book and its two sequels.  I saw the first two episodes for free and loved them.  But it's only available through AT&T's satellite service or through their subscription based monthly streaming service.

I wonder if full subscribers still have to deal with commercials on Star Trek Discovery.
Yeah there's still commercials on All Access, oddly enough.

So you pay money to get the exact same thing CBS has been offering for free for decades?

Yup, the only difference is you get an on-demand catalog of current and old CBS programs.

Looks like it is and extra $4 a month ($10 total) if you want commercial free.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Imrahil on September 26, 2017, 08:43:22 PM
Well I finally watched it.

The in-person holograms thing is what bothered me the most. Are viewscreens that hard to buy?

Also, mining a dead body? Isn't that a war crime?
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: The Lurker on September 27, 2017, 07:23:37 AM
If you think the Romulans were underdeveloped, then you'll probably continue to be disappointed as they're not in this series.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RoninFox on September 27, 2017, 08:53:31 AM
We enjoyed the first episode up until it ended with no warning. Current plan is to wait until the season is over, sign up for a one week free trial, and binge them all at once. If enough other people do that, hopefully CBS will come to thier senses.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 27, 2017, 08:59:28 AM
We enjoyed the first episode up until it ended with no warning. Current plan is to wait until the season is over, sign up for a one week free trial, and binge them all at once. If enough other people do that, hopefully CBS will come to thier senses.

So you'll be waiting until next summer then?  They are splitting the season in half so the final episode won't "air" until next spring.   Probably their plan to try and trick people into using up their free trial after the first half season airs.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RoninFox on September 27, 2017, 09:32:20 AM
We enjoyed the first episode up until it ended with no warning. Current plan is to wait until the season is over, sign up for a one week free trial, and binge them all at once. If enough other people do that, hopefully CBS will come to thier senses.

So you'll be waiting until next summer then?  They are splitting the season in half so the final episode won't "air" until next spring.   Probably their plan to try and trick people into using up their free trial after the first half season airs.

Didn't know about that part, but oh well. I'll probably use the trial during the hiatus and maybe pay the $6 for one month after it's over if I liked the first half enough. In any case I won't be keeping the service for any longer than I need to watch the one show I care about on it.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on September 27, 2017, 09:48:46 AM
Meh I'll just wait till they come out on DVD..
And if CBS doesn't make that option available then I won't lose any sleep over it :-\
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Imrahil on September 27, 2017, 03:23:07 PM
I get why Burnham's being court martialed at the end (mutiny, etc.).

But why are people blaming her for the war? She didn't start it. The Klingons clearly fired first and acted aggressively.  Nothing to do with her.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on September 28, 2017, 05:32:51 AM
There really has been an explosion of online streaming of exclusive original content in the past few years.  Netflix was the pioneer, followed closely by Hulu.  Then Amazon got into the mix.  Yahoo tried it out with Yahoo Screen, which didn't work out.  AT&T has the Audience Network, although since that's also available to DirectTV/AT&T Uverse subscribers I guess that's not QUITE the same thing.  I just know I can only watch Mr Mercedes through an online streaming service because I'm a Comcast customer.  And now CBS, a company that's been broadcasting for 90 years, has their online service.

I can't help but draw comparisons to the video game crash in the early 80s.  Yahoo tried to use Community to draw people into their service, and now CBS is trying to use Star Trek to draw people in.  It's like when Atari made that terrible Pac Man game, and created more copies than the total number of owned consoles, with the hope that the game would drive more people to buy Ataris.  Maybe all this expansion of streaming will finally pop and we'll get this down to some manageable number of sites so people don't need so many damned subscriptions.

Also, what's up with those Klingons?  They look like humans wearing leather masks.  Why did the creators feel this odd need to reinvent the wheel?  Do the Vulcans still have pointy ears?
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 28, 2017, 07:06:56 AM
This article suggests CBS doesn't care if they lose money on Discovery, they don't really care about their streaming service either, it's all about using it as a bargaining chip to get more out of cable companies when negotiating re-transmission fees:

http://kryptonradio.com/2017/09/26/star-treks-future-doubt-cbs/

The argument make sense except I'm not sure any cable company would fall for it, knowing that CBS is not going to shut down their over the air broadcasts.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Jesse412 on October 01, 2017, 01:48:44 PM
The Discovery pilot was okay but I'm definitely not going to pay for the CBS app just to watch the rest of the season. I'll probably wait until it's on Blu-Ray or it eventually airs on cable.

Some things about the pilot that I didn't like was the bickering that was going on between the crew members. To me that didn't feel like something Roddenberry would have done but maybe it was and I'm mis-remembering. I guess it could be argued some of the later series had similar conflicts on the bridge though.

While I was really excited to see Doug Jones play one of the main characters in full makeup I thought Saru may be the most useless science officer in Star Fleet that we've seen.  Granted we've seen very little of the character but my first impression was not good.  I did like the design of the character though.

I know they've said this isn't part of the Abramsverse but it definitely looks the part.

I am interesting in seeing Rainn Wilson play a younger Harry Mudd though.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Compound on October 01, 2017, 06:59:14 PM
FYI- when I tried to cancel the account earlier today, CBS offered me a free month of the service, so you may be able to catch a half dozen or so episodes, including the pilot's two episodes, without paying.

Me? Unimpressed, although the second episode was better than the first. Don't like the changes to the Klingons, either in make up or in lore. (Prior to this, the Romulans disappeared for 100 years after their war with the Federation (from the original series) while the remainder of the lore indicated that the Klingons had always been around.  For a no-longer canon example, the novel The Final Reflection, which was taken as close to canon for a while leading up to STNG, had the Klingons on Earth for a peace conference interacting with a 10 year old Spock and McCoy's dad. There are similar examples in other Trek sources.) The color scheme for the ships was wrong (No, brown and blue are not Starfleet colors. And buy some damn light bulbs.) Human's don't have the strength to do the Vulcan nerve pinch. (Yes, they ignored that in Enterprise. They ignored a lot in Enterprise.) No, they didn't have holograms back then.  And Michael was veering close to being a less reasonable character than Marrissa Picard for a good chunk of that pilot. Maybe it'll get better in the "real" first episode when they're actually on the Discovery, but so far, well, Seth's writing better Star Trek than Star Trek is.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: CJones on October 04, 2017, 03:47:30 PM
I've watched all three episodes currently released. The 1st weak, 2nd better, the 3rd...

Let's say it was surprisingly good, up until the Captain explained what was going on.
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What?!
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: anais.butterfly on October 09, 2017, 06:05:09 PM
I'm very happy to hear so many people are going to abuse the system and not pay for this on the CBS app.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 12, 2018, 05:13:34 PM
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But I loved the series.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: CJones on February 18, 2018, 09:14:13 PM
I actually ended up liking it quite a bit more than I thought I would. My biggest complaint is that they seem to have ditched the ensemble cast structure that every other Star Trek series has used, and instead only focus on a handful of characters.

The last episode was a bit weak though.

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Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 19, 2018, 08:39:41 AM

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Starfleet gave them a Mr. Yuck sticker to put on it.
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Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RoninFox on February 19, 2018, 01:52:08 PM

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Starfleet gave them a Mr. Yuck sticker to put on it.
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Reminds me of the Mission Log podcast, talking about leaving the orange cones around Talos IV.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: RVR II on February 04, 2019, 04:16:30 PM
So Season 2 has begun and I haven't seen Season 1 at all (other than the premier that came on after last years Super Bowl) so I ordered it on DVD from China..
If I don't get into it much I can still re-sell it for what I paid for it  :-X
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Ortega on February 05, 2019, 09:46:50 PM
Currently watching Season 2.  Its seems that alot of the choices they made in season 1, they've steered away from. 

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I think what drives a lot of criticism i've seen is that the show has a different feel to it than past Trek shows.  However, thinking about it, its kind of unavoidable.  Think about this: the last Trek show was ENT, and that first aired almost 20 years ago, and last aired almost 15. The big boom period of trek was about 94-95 with overlapping TNG, DS9, and VOY. That's 25 years ago.  The television landscape has change drastically since then.  During that time, movies were the pinnacle of prestige, and TV was the minor leagues.  We're now at a time where the roles are reversed. Most genre shows don't skimp on production.

My point is that the style of tv produced in this era, is going to be markedly different than what came before, especially in this new streaming format, rather than the old broadcast/syndication format that proceeded it. Smaller season runs, tighter story arcs, and less filler episodes.

While i'll admit, the first season did have its flaws, i thought overall, it was a good season, and i think that any Trek should at least give the first season a try.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: CJones on February 24, 2019, 07:20:46 PM
So far, the second is season is much better than the first. The worst part of the show is still Michael Burnham, But pretty much everyone else is awesome.

They make a point of involving the minor characters more. In fact, one of the first things Pike does when he takes command is ask all the bridge crew their names, a convenient way to introduce characters that have basically been in the background in season 1.

Season 2 Episode six, which is currently the most recent, was particularly good. We finally find out the truth behind the Kelpians and their "predators" the Ba'ul.

As a long time Trek Fan, I really like this show now.
Title: Re: STAR TREK: DISCOVERY (2017)
Post by: Russoguru on February 24, 2019, 09:41:49 PM
Maybe I'll just do what I've done with a lot of series and start at season 2.