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Title: 1106 - Starcrash - Spoiler Thread
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 10, 2017, 10:49:38 PM
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Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: wihogfan on April 12, 2017, 07:52:53 AM
Tempted to skip directly to this experiment because I've seen this movie several times, but I'm going to take them in order and won't get to this one until Sunday or so.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 16, 2017, 09:30:06 PM
This one really fell flat for me, they should have skewered this movie a lot more.

Shouldn't this have been the movie to bring in Mark Hamill? 
The Jerry Seinfeld bit wasn't very funny.

I liked the Swiss Army Planet.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: wihogfan on April 17, 2017, 05:38:31 AM
I had high expectations knowing in advance how goofy the movie is, but yeah, not my favorite episode. And the Seinfeld cameo seemed tacked on for no good reason and  it was not funny.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: SJP on April 17, 2017, 12:16:32 PM
I know Joel had a brief appearance (and had a help in writing) Jerry Seinfeld's first stand-up special on HBO in the 80s, so maybe it was a "Remember when we worked together?" kind of moment.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Twistedmojo on April 17, 2017, 02:29:34 PM
I never realized the universe had so many Christmas lights.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Variety of Cells on April 17, 2017, 08:10:12 PM
I think y'all are too hard on this here space film riffin. I had a hot dog of a time, bleep bloop!

To translate for all the non robots, I thought this one was great!  Seinfeld was as funny as he could be now days (which isn't super funny, but oh well).  The riffs were great. There was a pumaman reference. And there was a ton of cleavage. What more could you possibly want? 
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 17, 2017, 08:33:48 PM
I'll have to come back to it at some point and see if I like it more.

Could be I felt meh about it because I watched 2 in a row, really need to stick to one a day or every other day to avoid burnout.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Pak-Man on April 17, 2017, 10:05:06 PM
This might actually be my favorite so far. The movie was such a great choice and the riffs were awesome. Plus my name's in the credits, so bonus!
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 18, 2017, 12:36:57 AM
Yep, was my favourite so far.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Iron Curtain on April 18, 2017, 06:49:41 AM
I liked this episode a lot. Especially the Space-Mutiny-like starship naming in the final 25 minutes.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Darth Geek on April 20, 2017, 07:41:29 PM
I love sci-fi, I even like bad sci-fi, but I only got 20 minutes in to this stinkburger before I decided to call it a night. I've seen reviews of this with some clips, but to actually watch it is excruciating. Just nonsense going a mile a minute.

I'll watch the rest of it tomorrow, but I hope the riffing gets good enough to make this watchable.

I did like the "He's a loofa/human hybrid" line.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Iron Curtain on April 20, 2017, 07:49:06 PM
I love sci-fi, I even like bad sci-fi, but I only got 20 minutes in to this stinkburger before I decided to call it a night. I've seen reviews of this with some clips, but to actually watch it is excruciating. Just nonsense going a mile a minute.

I'll watch the rest of it tomorrow, but I hope the riffing gets good enough to make this watchable.

I did like the "He's a loofa/human hybrid" line.

Wait until the end. You'll get a riffing moment similar to Space Mutiny's "Blast Hardcheese; Big McLargeHuge; Slab BeefChunk" riffs.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 20, 2017, 07:50:02 PM
This movie is so silly and watchable that I can't even make sense of Darth's post.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Pak-Man on April 20, 2017, 10:29:16 PM
I'm with Grug on this one. I would watch this thing unriffed and probably laugh about as much. I love it when a bad sci-fi movie REALLY leans into that mold.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Darth Geek on April 21, 2017, 07:39:21 PM
"Damn you, you blew it up! I don't know what it is, but you blew it up!"
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: FBX on April 21, 2017, 08:04:41 PM
Was this movie originally filmed in German? The poster, which is flagrant plagarism of the original star wars poster, has German on it.

This movie is in its own league. Every aspect of it is so badly executed.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Darth Geek on April 21, 2017, 08:31:48 PM
This movie reminds me of the line from the MST3K Deathstalker episode: "This is one of the most ambitiously bad movies we have ever done."
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 21, 2017, 08:53:19 PM
Was this movie originally filmed in German? The poster, which is flagrant plagarism of the original star wars poster, has German on it.

It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: FBX on April 21, 2017, 09:45:19 PM
The emperor is Charles Muntz in Up

The lead girl is still doing movies. Really low budget ones.

And it's really david hasselhoff.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: LucasM on April 22, 2017, 05:14:42 PM
Shouldn't this have been the movie to bring in Mark Hamill?

Didn't think of it, but you are right, now that you mention it, it seems such an obvious pairing, particularly if the connection wouldn't even have been hinted at in the interactions on the show.


It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.

And yet, from all appearances in close-ups, despite it being filmed in English, it is still badly dubbed! ;D  [Odd no comments to that effect.  It was actually distracting to me to see that.]  It looked like every single line had to be re-done in ADR, despite it being filmed in English.  Must have been the massive amounts of background noise from all the squeaky vinyl clothing that they had to eliminate. ;D
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: BathTub on April 22, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
We just work together

He's mad I stole his hair

Oh she's got her head in the butt part again.

No use looking for survivors, lets make out.

They're carbonating the movie!

Are we far enough in the future we can make bill cosby jokes again?

The Crotch Gang on FX!

Excellent read Nathan, there are no small parts

I pity the fool
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: BathTub on April 22, 2017, 07:51:59 PM
Oh if I had known this had Hasselhoff in it I would have got here quicker.
No Vin Diesel riffs on Thor?

I'd say this one felt a little flat, the song was alright though.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Variety of Cells on April 22, 2017, 08:26:32 PM
It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.

And yet, from all appearances in close-ups, despite it being filmed in English, it is still badly dubbed! ;D  [Odd no comments to that effect.  It was actually distracting to me to see that.]  It looked like every single line had to be re-done in ADR, despite it being filmed in English.  Must have been the massive amounts of background noise from all the squeaky vinyl clothing that they had to eliminate. ;D

This is very common even in good Italian cinema of that era and earlier. They just didn't care about recording decent sound on set and would do pretty much all of the audio in post. The slight desync wouldn't bother Italian audiences cause that's what they were used to watching.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: LucasM on April 22, 2017, 09:01:03 PM
It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.

And yet, from all appearances in close-ups, despite it being filmed in English, it is still badly dubbed! ;D  [Odd no comments to that effect.  It was actually distracting to me to see that.]  It looked like every single line had to be re-done in ADR, despite it being filmed in English.  Must have been the massive amounts of background noise from all the squeaky vinyl clothing that they had to eliminate. ;D

This is very common even in good Italian cinema of that era and earlier. They just didn't care about recording decent sound on set and would do pretty much all of the audio in post. The slight desync wouldn't bother Italian audiences cause that's what they were used to watching.

Thanks, VoC, I wasn't aware of that before.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 22, 2017, 09:06:17 PM
It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.

And yet, from all appearances in close-ups, despite it being filmed in English, it is still badly dubbed! ;D  [Odd no comments to that effect.  It was actually distracting to me to see that.]  It looked like every single line had to be re-done in ADR, despite it being filmed in English.  Must have been the massive amounts of background noise from all the squeaky vinyl clothing that they had to eliminate. ;D

This is very common even in good Italian cinema of that era and earlier. They just didn't care about recording decent sound on set and would do pretty much all of the audio in post. The slight desync wouldn't bother Italian audiences cause that's what they were used to watching.

Thanks, VoC, I wasn't aware of that before.

I always wondered why the lip sync was always off on spaghetti westerns, now I know....
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: losingmydignity on April 23, 2017, 07:15:56 PM
I thought this one was really solid. Good riffing throughout.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: SJP on April 23, 2017, 07:59:17 PM
It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.

And yet, from all appearances in close-ups, despite it being filmed in English, it is still badly dubbed! ;D  [Odd no comments to that effect.  It was actually distracting to me to see that.]  It looked like every single line had to be re-done in ADR, despite it being filmed in English.  Must have been the massive amounts of background noise from all the squeaky vinyl clothing that they had to eliminate. ;D
This is very common even in good Italian cinema of that era and earlier. They just didn't care about recording decent sound on set and would do pretty much all of the audio in post. The slight desync wouldn't bother Italian audiences cause that's what they were used to watching.

Thanks, VoC, I wasn't aware of that before.

Reportedly, this very thing became a source of tension on the movie "Duck, You Sucker."  Rod Steiger apparently demanded that his scenes be filmed with as much natural ambience as possible, as the Italian crew freaked out because they simply weren't used to filming with sound at all, expecting to do it later.  Odd how such a small thing can be such a cultural clash.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: stethacantus on April 24, 2017, 05:27:48 PM
StarCrash was an Italian film produced to be shown in the United States with English speaking actors. Like most Italian films, sound was not recorded and the actors were required to dub their voices onto the soundtrack. However, there were two exceptions. British actress Caroline Munro, who played lead character Stella Star, for some reason was  never asked to show up at the ADR studio. Instead, Marjoe Gortner's wife, actress Candy  Clark, dubbed Stella Star's voice.  The other exception was actor Christopher Plummer, who only worked one day on the movie as all his scenes were shot in a single day. The director was so thrilled to have an actor of Plummers caliber in one of his movies that he ordered sound recording equipment and had Plummers part recorded in sound.  ( Another reason this was done was that Plummer was being paid for one day of work, and would not have returned for a ADR session. )

As much as you think recording without sound is either unusual or cheap, it was the norm all over the globe up until the 90s, even here in the United States among independent producers who could not afford sound. When the movie industry changed from silent to sound, each studio had to make the choice of recording sound on the set, or dubbing the voices in post. Recording sound on set was initially very problematic ( where to hide the microphones? ), very expensive, and required the building of expensive sound stages to prevent outside noise from getting on the soundtrack.  Hollywood could afford it.

Also to take into consideration, Hollywood made English language films, which cold be shown everywhere in the United States, in Canada, in England, in Ireland, in Scotland, in Australia and in India. An Italian film would be shot in Italian, and could only be shown in Italy. Outside of Italy it would need to be dubbed in a different language. Not much incentive to sound record an Italian film if it is only going to be shown without dubbing  in a country that is half the size of Texas. Not only were most Italian productions shot without sound, so were many French, German, Bollywood and Chinese films.  Also, take into consideration that most films shot in Hollywood need to do ADR in post because quite often the sound comes out unintelligible, or some sort of noise masks the dialog. And any songs sung in musicals are recorded separately in another studio, and lipsynced on set.

BTW, Starcrash is the first and only MST3K movie I have ever seen in a theater when it was originally released. ( A double feature with Moonraker )


Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Variety of Cells on April 24, 2017, 08:59:18 PM
StarCrash was an Italian film produced to be shown in the United States with English speaking actors. Like most Italian films, sound was not recorded and the actors were required to dub their voices onto the soundtrack. However, there were two exceptions. British actress Caroline Munro, who played lead character Stella Star, for some reason was  never asked to show up at the ADR studio. Instead, Marjoe Gortner's wife, actress Candy  Clark, dubbed Stella Star's voice.  The other exception was actor Christopher Plummer, who only worked one day on the movie as all his scenes were shot in a single day. The director was so thrilled to have an actor of Plummers caliber in one of his movies that he ordered sound recording equipment and had Plummers part recorded in sound.  ( Another reason this was done was that Plummer was being paid for one day of work, and would not have returned for a ADR session. )

As much as you think recording without sound is either unusual or cheap, it was the norm all over the globe up until the 90s, even here in the United States among independent producers who could not afford sound. When the movie industry changed from silent to sound, each studio had to make the choice of recording sound on the set, or dubbing the voices in post. Recording sound on set was initially very problematic ( where to hide the microphones? ), very expensive, and required the building of expensive sound stages to prevent outside noise from getting on the soundtrack.  Hollywood could afford it.

Also to take into consideration, Hollywood made English language films, which cold be shown everywhere in the United States, in Canada, in England, in Ireland, in Scotland, in Australia and in India. An Italian film would be shot in Italian, and could only be shown in Italy. Outside of Italy it would need to be dubbed in a different language. Not much incentive to sound record an Italian film if it is only going to be shown without dubbing  in a country that is half the size of Texas. Not only were most Italian productions shot without sound, so were many French, German, Bollywood and Chinese films.  Also, take into consideration that most films shot in Hollywood need to do ADR in post because quite often the sound comes out unintelligible, or some sort of noise masks the dialog. And any songs sung in musicals are recorded separately in another studio, and lipsynced on set.

BTW, Starcrash is the first and only MST3K movie I have ever seen in a theater when it was originally released. ( A double feature with Moonraker )

All good points.  I'll add in a couple more.  Recording sound makes shooting take longer because you have to do more takes if the sound was bad, which it often is.  And on a film set it's painfully clear that time is money.  Cameras also have to be baffled, which was difficult in the early days when cameras were bigger and noisier.  Some directors also liked to shout directions to their actors during a take, which is a big no-no if you're recording sound. 
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Johnny Unusual on April 25, 2017, 10:55:10 AM

BTW, Starcrash is the first and only MST3K movie I have ever seen in a theater when it was originally released. ( A double feature with Moonraker )

That's a real nutso double feature.  It feels like you could see those as a double feature again, but only as a weird midnight movie show for cult nuttiness.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: stethacantus on April 25, 2017, 11:41:24 AM


That's a real nutso double feature.  It feels like you could see those as a double feature again, but only as a weird midnight movie show for cult nuttiness.

Not really. Back before multiplexes sucked most of the fun out of going to a movie, double features were standard with new releases ( except for blockbusters ). Theaters put a lot of thought into what B movie they would book.  Moonraker was a Star Wars rip-off, so they paired it with another Star Wars rip-off. They were doing this to the end. When I saw Footloose it was paired with Flashdance.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: SJP on April 25, 2017, 11:46:47 AM
Somewhat off topic, this suddenly makes me want to buy an old, abandoned theater, fix it up and run double features in it.

Not that I have the business sense or the money to pull that off, but it sounds like a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: CJones on April 25, 2017, 12:18:42 PM
"In space, no one can hear you scream, 'cause it's so damn loud"

"It's a glow in the dark star","Aren't all stars glow in the dark?"

"My resolution is to act like I knew what was gong to happen right after it happens."

"Does that count as driving them insane?"

Seriously, what was the deal with Actin? At the start of the movie he seems completely normal. Then like a third of the way through he just starts manifesting powers and knowledge for no apparent reason
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Quirk on April 25, 2017, 12:24:01 PM
"In space, no one can hear you scream, 'cause it's so damn loud"

I'm currently riffing a space serial with VERY noisy space scenes, and this joke made me ashamed I never thought of it. It's great in a lot of ways.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Darth Geek on April 25, 2017, 03:29:42 PM

Seriously, what was the deal with Actin? At the start of the movie he seems completely normal. Then like a third of the way through he just starts manifesting powers and knowledge for no apparent reason
I wondered about that too. I figured maybe I hadn't been paying enough attention, since by that point I was just so bored by the movie.
It's a case where, had they been more angry at the movie, they probably would have commented more on that. It makes me wish this was riffed at around Season 8, because then this would have been an all-time classic episode. As it is, it's just okay in my opinion.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: losingmydignity on April 25, 2017, 06:04:46 PM
"In space, no one can hear you scream, 'cause it's so damn loud"

I'm currently riffing a space serial with VERY noisy space scenes, and this joke made me ashamed I never thought of it. It's great in a lot of ways.

That riff really killed me. Loved it.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: WhyDontTheyLook on May 01, 2017, 09:25:23 AM
A pretty good riff of one of my favorite bad movies, though they didn't have quite as good a time with it as I'd hoped.  Pretty 'meh' on the Seinfeld pop-in, but otherwise liked the host segments, particularly the episode conclusion.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: WhyDontTheyLook on May 01, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
It's a case where, had they been more angry at the movie, they probably would have commented more on that. It makes me wish this was riffed at around Season 8, because then this would have been an all-time classic episode. As it is, it's just okay in my opinion.

Didn't Mystery Fandom Theater 3000 riff this one, a long time ago?
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: Johnny Unusual on May 03, 2017, 04:46:22 PM
Pretty 'meh' on the Seinfeld pop-in.

Glad you liked it more than my did.  I like Seinfeld OK, but this sketch was pretty damned weak.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: eegah on May 12, 2017, 04:06:40 PM
Good solid episode. This was the one that I was really looking forward to, having seen StarCrash before. Not great, but really good.

What's the deal with frame rate issues (which shows up as jumpiness when panning quickly)? Why can't Rifftrax or the new MST3K solve that?

Bonus actor appearance: the tight gray shirt wearing, computer using, bald thug from Future Force.

We loved how Stella Star's (why not "Luna Moon"?) outfits would inexplicably change every time the scene changed.
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: tgeorgic on May 14, 2017, 06:30:56 AM
Bonus actor appearance: the tight gray shirt wearing, computer using, bald thug from Future Force.

he was also Jake in Sidehackers (suddenly realized I had typed in the wrong biker movie last night before I fell asleep)
Title: Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
Post by: eegah on August 21, 2017, 05:26:22 PM
Good solid episode. This was the one that I was really looking forward to, having seen StarCrash before. Not great, but really good.

After a second viewing, I'm less enamored with this one. Still good, but it seems like they could've done better considering the great material that they had to work with.