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Title: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2016, 02:08:04 PM
This thread is designed to discuss anything about the connected Marvel Universe that is on film.  This includes all of what Kevin Feige has a hand in, and much of what Jeph Loeb has a hand in.
   NOTE: blue sentences or phrases are links to posts or articles discussing that issue.

I created a massive list of all the connected MCU properties released thus far, with the basic interactions between them.  It also includes all known future releases, with release dates or in anticipated release order for those confirmed MCU entries not yet having exact dates. (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019)  (It is the second post following this one.)

[Two practical MCU lists I created are here: a chart of the mid- and end-credit scenes on the assorted home video releases of the MCU films, and the 3D Blu-rays that have the exclusive IMAX scenes in the expanded ratio on them (no 2D versions of these films have the IMAX expanded screen ratio). (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962020#msg962020)  (That's the third post following this one.)  With the credit scene checklist, you will know when to stop when visual searching through end credits if you want to watch those credit scenes each time you see the film.  With the 3D/'IMAX scene' list, you will know when to preferentially watch the 3D version of MCU films.]

In this thread we can discuss film content, TV content, shorts content, interactions between them, apparent contradictions within or between them (for which you might get a 'No-Prize' ;) ), etc.  That includes all the Marvel Cinematic Universe films, the shorts on their discs, as well as all the MCU 'Marvel's ____' TV series Loeb oversees. 

For what characters are covered by this thread, this may help [image by The Geek Twins].  Disney has acquired 20th Century Fox which finalized today [March 20, 2019].  With the Disney/20th C Fox merger complete, MCU rights include almost every character, as long as that new product has been verified as being MCU by Feige. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/p6kuIut.jpg) (http://www.thegeektwins.com/2014/02/visual-guide-to-marvel-character-movie.html)
[Image is huge.  Right-click and select "View Image", or save to hard drive for a better view.]


IMPORTANT NOTE ON USE OF SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD:
To be considerate of others, since many can't see films in theaters, until films are out on home video (Blu-ray, DVD), spoilers are required for images or the discussion of plot points here.  Please briefly label the spoiler (e.g. "episode/film plot point", "future events", "surprise character reveal", etc.).  Since different people find different things 'spoilery', unlabeled spoilers are useless because one has to open and view the contents to see if it was the kind of spoiler one avoids.  For broadcast shows (i.e. Agents of SHIELD), spoilers should be present for at least two days after air date, so people have at least some chance to watch their time-shifted copy before being spoiled.  For Netflix shows, spoilers for a minimum of two weeks after they drop seems reasonable.  That long a time because many people can't manage (or don't want) to binge watch over just a couple days, and may need time to watch all episodes.  With the length of most MCU/Netflix seasons, two weeks gives a one-a-day schedule, which seems like it would be manageable for most.


For actual discussion of something, I'll start with a trivia point that irks me from Daredevil season 2.

Now, I freely admit I don't know much at all about the character of the Punisher.  I tired of his comics after just a couple of them.  So it is possible that what I saw on Daredevil was not an 'error' so much as a 'character easter egg' bit thrown to the die-hard Punisher fans.  And that was in Daredevil season 2, episode 11...  [spoiler includes plot point for Daredevil season 2]
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


OK... what other thoughts do you all have on any of the movies, the TV series, crossovers, or ideas spanning the whole 'Marvel Universe on film' combined Feige/Loeb renaissance?


[I briefly struggled whether to place this thread in the "Movie Talk" or the "Television aka TV discussion" area.  But this thread is designed to cross both, and things like the 'Marvel One-Shot' series of short films on Blu-rays and DVDs on top of that.  So I felt that putting it in either the TV area or the Movie area would miss people who might be interested in it.  Of course, putting it in neither area might miss out on everyone who might be interested in contributing, but it's the best placement I could think of for now.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on September 30, 2016, 04:02:51 PM
I had forgotten about that Spoiler'd bit! My wife & I both exclaimed it as soon as it popped on screen. Orange always equals Sad Coffee at diners & breakfast joints.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 01, 2016, 11:53:51 AM
This is a chronological list of the Marvel Cinematic Universe entries, including the release dates.
I will continue to update this as new release announcements are made.
   NOTE: blue sentences or phrases are links to articles discussing that issue.

This annotated list includes interactions between the MCU, the broadcast TV shows, the Netflix and any other streaming shows, and the Marvel One-Shots short films.  The relevant films are sandwiched between the two Agents of SHIELD episodes they fell between (since the largest interactions are between those).  Directly linked films, shorts, or shows are listed together with no spaces between those entries.  Films or shows with less direct linkage have a space between them.

Only one film thus far, GotG v2, has been clearly stated to be grossly out of release-date sequence.  In this list it has been placed in the order of its continuity for events, rather than when the film was released.

In addition to this film, the release dates for the One-Shots shorts does not fit sequentially, as they were all publicly released later than their place in continuity.  They are placed in the position their events occurred (after the film they relate to), rather than when they were released.  Them being 'late' in release may partly be because they were initially intended to be the 'cartoons' before feature film releases, so would have been presented in theaters before the next film was viewed. (https://mcuexchange.com/one-shot-theatrical-release-pixar/)

This list is filled with spoilers.  Some major and minor plot points are spoiled by this list, so if you haven't seen it all and don't want to be spoiled for anything, don't look at it.  Using the rules for this thread regarding spoilers ("if a film is on home video, no need for spoilers"), here is the full unspoilered list with descriptions thus far:

Interactions between the Marvel Cinematic Universe,
the Marvel TV Universe, and the Marvel One-Shot short film series.

Iron Man . . . . May 2, 2008

The Incredible Hulk . . . . June 13, 2008
Marvel One-Shot: The Consultant . . . . Sept 13, 2011  [On the Thor Blu-ray release.]
     Background on why it was Stark that approached Gen Ross at the end of Incredible Hulk to recruit Blonsky.  Features Coulson and Sitwell.

Iron Man 2 . . . . May 7, 2010
Marvel One-Shot: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer . . .Oct 25, 2011  [On the Captain America: The First Avenger Blu-ray.]
     Coulson kicking ass on the way to Thor's hammer (so, in continuity, after the body of Iron Man 2, but before the credit sequence at the end of the film).
Thor . . . . May 6, 2011

Captain America: The First Avenger . . . . July 22, 2011
Marvel One-Shot: Agent Carter . . . . September 24, 2013   [On the Iron Man 3 Blu-ray.]
     This not so much interacted with what was in Captain America: tFA (as it is meant to take place one year after that film's events), but started expanding on Peggy Carter's history post-Cap.  The positive response to this led to her two half-seasons:
Agent Carter . . . . Jan 6 - Feb 24, 2015  &  Jan 19 - Mar 1, 2016
     For continuity, all of the Agent Carter stuff took place before any of the films (except CA:tFA), but this seemed the most reasonable place to insert it, as the events in these took place after the WWII parts of CA:tFA.

Marvel's The Avengers . . . . May 4, 2012
     "World Security Council Member #1" (Powers Boothe) is Gideon Malick, who will play a significant role in season 3 of Agents of SHIELD.
Marvel One-Shot: Item 47 . . . . September 25, 2012  [On the Avengers Blu-ray.]
     Agents Sitwell and Blake are sent to retrieve a Chitauri weapon that a couple has found and is using to raise hell.

Iron Man 3 . . . . May 3, 2013
Marvel One-Shot: All Hail the King . . . . February 25, 2014  [On the Thor: the Dark World Blu-ray.]
     This 'corrected' the story of the Mandarin, to point out there was a real one and Slattery was not appreciated as misrepresenting him (or her).  [Interesting note: Slattery was held at Seagate prison - the same prison Carl Lucas was held (and transformed) in.]

Agents of SHIELD starts: season 1 . . . . Sept. 24, 2013
     Coulson’s resurrection, post-Marvel’s The Avengers is a core part of the first season’s arc (feeding into the second).  In addition, at various times throughout season 1 the SHIELD crew run into ancient Kree weapons and {I'm pretty sure} Chitauri weapons and organic material left behind after the invasion that they have to collect.  [I may be confusing the Chitauri weapon in the ‘Item 47' One-Shot with the finding of Chitauri stuff in SHIELD, however.]

Agents of SHIELD  s1e6  FZZT . . . . Nov 05, 2013
Thor: The Dark World . . . . November 8, 2013
Agents of SHIELD  s1e7  The Hub . . . . Nov 12, 2013
     The S.H.I.E.L.D. team visits a library in London where Dark Elf tech and remains have been collected, in order to catalog and dispose of it.

Agents of SHIELD  s1e16  End of the Beginning . . . . Apr 01, 2014
Captain America: The Winter Soldier . . . . April 4, 2014
     Discovery that S.H.I.E.L.D. has been infiltrated by Hydra from the beginning.
Agents of SHIELD  s1e17  Turn, Turn, Turn . . . . Apr 08, 2014
     Takes place simuktaneously with CA:tWS.  The new knowledge of the presence of Hydra disrupts virtually everything going on and is the hinge point of the first season of SHIELD.  SHIELD is disbanded.

Guardians of the Galaxy . . . . August 1, 2014
     The Kree are a core presence in the movie.  They were essential to Coulson’s resurrection and Daisy’s and the Inhumans' existence.

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 . . . . May 5, 2017
     According to Gunn, this takes place about three months after the first Guardians film.

Agents of SHIELD s2e1 . . . . Sept. 23, 2014

Daredevil season 1 . . . . Apr 10, 2015
     See K1s post (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962067#msg962067) for a few of the Easter eggs in the series.  [Also: the office across from Nelson & Murdock is 'Atlas' with the Atlas comics logo.  Atlas, of course, evolved into Marvel.]

Agents of SHIELD  s2e19  The Dirty Half Dozen . . . . Apr 28, 2015
     Coulson is tracking down Loki’s scepter.  When found, he signals that it is time to send in the Avengers.
Avengers: Age of Ultron . . . . May 1, 2015
     The secretive “Theta Protocol” Coulson had been working on during the earlier part of the ‘Agents of SHIELD’ season pays off.  It was the unexpected Helicarrier used in the movie, that results in many fewer Sokovian deaths.
Agents of SHIELD  s2e20  Scars . . . . May 05, 2015
     Coulson is called on the carpet for his secretive acts as Acting Director.  His role in the Helicarrier being present and resulting in Sokovian lives being saved in ‘Avengers: Age of Ultron’ helps his position.

Ant-Man . . . . July 17, 2015
     Hank Pym refers to the Avengers disparagingly, saying something like, “they may be off dropping a city on people”, referencing ‘Age of Ultron’.

Agents of SHIELD s3e1 . . . . Sept. 29, 2015
     Refers to the “Pym Technologies disaster.”
     Gideon Malick (Powers Boothe) plays a significant role in this season, starting in episode 6.  He was "World Security Council Member #1" in The Avengers.  As part of Hydra royalty, it explains why he was so irritated that Sgt. Fury let Thor take the Tesseract back to Asgard.  It also explains his apparent ease at voting for nuking midtown, because that would eliminate not only the age-old enemy of Hydra, Captain America, but also eliminate further potential enemies in the rest of the Avengers.

Jessica Jones season 1 . . . . Nov 20, 2015

Daredevil season 2 . . . . March 18, 2016

Agents of SHIELD  s3e19  Failed Experiments . . . . May 03, 2016
Captain America: Civil War . . . . May 6, 2016
Agents of SHIELD  s3e20  Emancipation . . .May 10, 2016
     Following Civil War, Inhumans working with S.H.I.E.L.D. are required by the Sokovia Accords to register, which limits the use of their powers.  S.H.I.E.L.D. returns as a government-sanctioned organization.

Agents of SHIELD s4e1 . . . . Sept. 20, 2016

Luke Cage season 1 . . . . Sept 30, 2016
     References are repeatedly made to ‘the Incident’ (NY invasion in The Avengers).  Also to Daredevil and Matt Murdock, as well as to Jessica Jones, while not referring to either by name.

Agents of SHIELD  s4e6 . . . . Nov 1, 2016
Doctor Strange . . . . Nov 4, 2016
Agents of SHIELD  s4e7 . . . . Nov 29, 2016
     Jed Whedon, one of SHIELD's show runners, said that the story of 'the box' starting in the season 4 opener of Agents of SHIELD shares ideas and concepts with the Doctor Strange film (http://mcuexchange.com/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-will-tie-in-with-doctor-strange-and-fury-could-be-returning-to-the-show/).  However, the only relation appears to be the existence of other dimensions and magic.

Iron Fist season 1 . . . . March 17, 2017
     For the first time in the Netflix series, other characters from the other Marvel/Netflix series are mentioned by name.

Spider-Man: Homecoming . . . . July 7, 2017
     Personal Note: I gotta' say, I always loved the double meaning of that title!  Both referring to the homecoming dance, but also that Spider-Man was FINALLY coming back 'home' to Marvel control. :)

The Defenders season 1 . . . . August 18, 2017

Inhumans season 1 . . . . September 1, 2017 for IMAX; Sept 29 for TV
     [Personal Comment: Despite the misfire of Iron Fist season 1, with this, we now know what a truly BAD Marvel product looks like.]

Thor: Ragnarok . . . . November 3, 2017

The Punisher season 1 . . . . November 17, 2017

Runaways season 1 . . . . November 21, 2017

Agents of SHIELD  s5e1 . . . . December 1, 2017

Black Panther . . . . February 16, 2018

Jessica Jones season 2 . . . . March 8, 2018
     One of the 'crazies' that were interviewed while trying to find new cases in episode one, said, "lizards wearing human skins are taking over the government."  This is possibly a veiled reference to the Captain Marvel film (releasing exactly a year after this season dropped), which takes place either largely or entirely in the 1990s, and features the Skrulls - lizard-like creatures who 'take on human skins' as they morph into others.

Avengers: Infinity War . . . . April 27, 2018
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episode s05e20
     Mentions Thanos by name as being a current threat to Earth.

Cloak and Dagger season 1 . . . . June 7, 2018
     In episode 8, Detective O'Reilly is talking to someone, and says, "I'm from New York - I've seen it before... did I ever tell you about my friend, Mystie?"  Thereby tying Cloak and Dagger firmly to the Marvel/Netflix shows.

Luke Cage season 2 . . . . June 22, 2018

Ant-Man and the Wasp . . . . July 6, 2018

Iron Fist season 2 . . . . Sept 7, 2018

Daredevil season 3 . . . . Oct 19, 2018

Runaways season 2 . . . . December 21, 2018

The Punisher season 2 . . . . January 18, 2019

Captain Marvel . . . . March 8, 2019

Cloak and Dagger season 2 . . . . April 4, 2019

Avengers: Endgame . . . . April 26, 2019

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episode s06e01 . . . . May 10, 2019

Jessica Jones season 3 . . . . June 14, 2019

Spider-Man: Far From Home . . . . July 2, 2019

Runaways season 3 . . . . December 13, 2019


UPCOMING:

Falcon & The Winter Soldier Disney+ . . . . August 2020
Black Widow . . . . Nov 6, 2020
WandaVision (no: not WonkaVision) Disney+ . . . . December 2020
Hellstrom Hulu series . . . . ? ?, 2020

The Eternals . . . . Feb 12, 2021
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings . . . . May 7, 2021
Loki Disney+ . . . . [Spring 2021]
Spider-Man 3 . . . . Nov 5, 2021
"What If?" Disney+ animated series . . . . Summer 2021

Thor: Love and Thunder . . . . Feb. 11, 2022
Doctor Strange 2: In The Multiverse of Madness . . . . March 25, 2022
Black Panther 2 . . . . May 8, 2022
Captain Marvel 2 . . . . July 8, 2022
as-yet untitled Marvel movie . . . . Oct 7, 2022
Hawkeye  Disney+ . . . . ? ?, 2022
Ms. Marvel Disney+ series . . . . ? ?, 2022
She-Hulk Disney+ series . . . . ? ?, 2022
Moon Knight Disney+ series . . . . ? ?, 2022

as-yet untitled Marvel movie  [possibly Deadpool 3] . . . . Feb 7, 2023
as-yet untitled Marvel movie . . . . May 5, 2023
as-yet untitled Marvel movie . . . . July 28, 2023
as-yet untitled Marvel movie . . . . Nov 3, 2023

Ghost Rider . . . . ? ?, 20??  [the Hulu series is dead, but K Feige has picked up interest (https://mcuexchange.com/ghost-rider-film-marvel-studios/)]
IronHeart Disney+ series . . . . ? ?, 20??
Secret Warriors . . . . ? ?,20??  [unknown as yet if film or Disney+ series (https://mcuexchange.com/secret-warriors-marvel-studios/)]


Possibly in production for Hulu or Disney+:
Power Pack (animated)
Young Avengers  (some rumors suggest they may be introduced in Ant-Man 3)

While researching this (e.g. Epguides.com for Agents of SHIELD episode numbers and dates (http://epguides.com/AgentsofSHIELD/), Wikipedia for film release dates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_films), and the Marvel One-Shots short films (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_One-Shots)), I ran across an article with very short descriptions of what a few of the interactions were, and films' impacts (http://mcuexchange.com/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-will-tie-in-with-doctor-strange-and-fury-could-be-returning-to-the-show/) on Agents of SHIELD.  However, I used those comments only as a reminder of what happened, and wrote my own (usually expanded) descriptions for each.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 01, 2016, 12:42:22 PM
While re-watching the films, I realized I needed yet another LucasM Useful MCU List TM. ::)  Then yet another one... so I made these.

With this first list, you can now know in advance which credits to visual search through, and be able to anticipate when to stop, without having to memorize this information for each film.  I used just enough words for descriptions to trigger memories, not to actually describe the full events.  Each conforms to the Spoiler Requirements for this thread: if it is out on home video, no spoiler is used.

   Marvel Cinematic Universe Mid-and-End-Credit Scenes Chart

NOTE:
First box is for a possible mid-credit scene (after animated credits, prior to all-text credits), second box is for possible end-credit scene ('stinger').
Any scene that is present in part or in whole in the next film is in brackets (e.g. the Ant-Man end-credit scene is a variation on scenes in Civil War, as is the first Doctor Strange end credit scene with Thor: Ragnarok).

Mid-/Stinger scene present
□    ■   Iron Man  -  May 2, 2008
   .    .                       / Intro: Nick Fury & ‘Avengers Initiative’

□    □   The Incredible Hulk  -  June 13, 2008
   .   .

□    ■   Iron Man 2  -  May 7, 2010
   .    .                       / Coulson arrives at Mjolnir

□    ■   Thor  -  May 6, 2011
   .   .                        / Fury shows Selvig the Tesseract

□    ■   Captain America: The First Avenger  -  July 22, 2011
   .   .                        / [Cap punching bag - Fury ‘save world’]

■    ■   Marvel's The Avengers  -  May 4, 2012
   .   .   Thanos introduction / Schwarma

□    ■   Iron Man 3  -  May 3, 2013
   .     .                      / Tony talking to sleeping Banner

■    ■   Thor: The Dark World  -  November 8, 2013
   .   .   Aether to Collector / Thor returns, frost monster chasing birds

■    ■   Captain America: The Winter Soldier  -  April 4, 2014
   .   .   Strucker & intro Pietro & Wanda / Bucky at Smithsonian

■    ■   Guardians of the Galaxy  -  August 1, 2014
   .   .   Baby Groot dancing / Collector in ruins (Cosmo/Howard)

□    ■   Avengers: Age of Ultron  -  May 1, 2015
   .      .                     / Thanos: “Fine!  I’ll do it myself!”

■    ■   Ant-Man  -  July 17, 2015
   .   .   Wasp: “It’s about damn time!” / [Cap, Falcon, Bucky - partially different]

■    ■   Captain America: Civil War  -  May 6, 2016
   .   .   Bucky frozen in Wakanda / Spider-Man finds computer

■    ■   Doctor Strange  -  November 4, 2016
   .   .   [Thor consult - partially different] / Mordo’s mission

■ ■ ■ ■ ■   Guardians of the Galaxy 2  -  May 5, 2017
   .   .   Arrow / orig GotG / Warlock / teen Groot / SLee ‘ride’

■    ■   Spider-man: Homecoming  -  July 28, 2017
   .   .   Toomes meets Scorpion in prison / Cap on ‘patience’ ;D

■    ■   Thor: Ragnarok  -  November 3, 2017
   .   .   Thanos's ship / "It's a tie!"

■    ■   Black Panther  -   February 16, 2018
   .   .   T'Challa at UN, Austria / Bucky awakens
   
□    ■   Avengers: Infinity War  -  April 27, 2018
   .      .                     / Nick Fury pages Captain Marvel as he dusts
   
□    ■   Ant-Man and the Wasp - July 6, 2018
   .      .                     / Hello?
   
■    ■   Captain Marvel  -  March 8, 2019
   .   .   Pager Stops / 'Hairball'

□    □   Avengers: Endgame  -  May 3, 2019
   
■    ■   Spider-Man: Far From Home  -  July 12, 2019
   .   .    /
   
□    □   Black Widow  -  May 1, 2020
   
□    □   The Eternals  -  November 6, 2020

□    □   Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings  -  Feb 12, 2021
   
□    □   Doctor Strange 2: In The Multiverse of Madness  -  May 7, 2021
   
□    □   Thor: Love and Thunder  -  November 5, 2021
   
□    □   [unnamed]  -  February 18, 2022
   
□    □   [unnamed]  -  May 6, 2022
   
□    □   [unnamed]  -  July 29, 2022
   

  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =


The second one is short (so far).  When MCU films were released, a few that were released in IMAX 3D theaters had exclusive IMAX scenes in them.  These scenes had at least a 1.9:1 expanded ratio, vs the 2.35:1 ratio for the rest of the film.  Thus far, Marvel has ONLY released the expanded ratio scenes on the 3D versions of those films.  They are not on the 2D versions, not on the recent 4K versions.  On DVDs, digital versions, 2D Blu-rays, and on 4K discs, the films remain cropped to the 2.35:1 aspect ratio throughout.  Except for Civil War, the amount of the expanded sections is roughly an hour of screen time or more.  So it is a substantial gain of visuals, which is particularly effective in Doctor Strange and Hulk: Ragnarok.

In order to know which MCU films have the IMAX footage (so I could remember to always re-watch the 3D versions of those films), I made this second list.  Any time details for this came from HERE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IMAX_DMR_films).

Here are a series of screenshots showing JUST how much difference the aspect ratio makes to different scenes: side-by-side images for 2D and IMAX scenes for the first Guardians of the Galaxy (https://imgur.com/a/Igpfi).

Please Note: my 3D TV (as well as likely most others) has an option for selecting 2D viewing of 3D input, if one doesn't want to actually watch it in 3D, but still wants the expanded video sections.  That is how I watch most of the time.


   Marvel Cinematic Universe 3D-Blu-ray-Exclusive IMAX Scenes

Guardians of the Galaxy  -  August 1, 2014  -  https://imgur.com/a/Igpfi
     Over an hour of footage opened up to 1.90:1 on select scenes.

Captain America: Civil War  -  May 6, 2016
     17 minutes of IMAX footage.

Doctor Strange  -  November 4, 2016
     Over an hour of footage opened up to 1.90:1 for select scenes.

Guardians of the Galaxy 2  -  May 5, 2017
     Aspect ratio opened up to 1.90:1 for select sequences.  Enhanced framing technique known as "Frame break" used to enhance 3D effects, making effects travel "outside" the frame.  [For me, this also pulls me out of the film, however, as it forces one to recognize one is watching a film.]

Thor: Ragnarok  -  November 3, 2017
     Aspect ratio opened up to 1.90:1 for select sequences.

Black Panther  -   February 16, 2018
     Aspect ratio opened up to 1.90:1 for select sequences.

Avengers: Infinity War  -  April 27, 2018
     This was the first film to be shot completely with IMAX/Arri Alexa digital cameras.  Given Kevin Feige's statement that the IMAX ratio solely goes with 'the 3D experience', it was presumed the entire film would be seen on home video in the 1.90:1 ratio on the 3D disc.  However, this is the FIRST film with IMAX footage that Marvel has not released the IMAX screen ratio on ANY home video format.  [Pisses me off, too.]

Ant-Man and the Wasp - July 6, 2018
     Aspect ratio opened up to 1.90:1 for select sequences.

Captain Marvel  -  March 8, 2019
     Aspect ratio opened up to 1.90:1 for select sequences.

Avengers [4]: Endgame  -  April 26, 2019
     Again, this was shot completely with IMAX/Arri Alexa digital cameras.  Feige said the IMAX ratio solely goes with 'the 3D experience', but this did not have the opened-up IMAX aspect ratio even on the 3D disc.

LIKELY: Black Widow  -  May 1, 2020
   
LIKELY: The Eternals  -  November 6, 2020

LIKELY: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings  -  Feb 12, 2021
   
LIKELY: Doctor Strange 2: In The Multiverse of Madness  -  May 7, 2021
   
LIKELY: Thor: Love and Thunder  -  November 5, 2021
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on October 01, 2016, 08:55:03 PM
I'm interested to see if Ghost Rider shows up in any of the films. He seems like a big enough player that to leave him as an Agents of SHIELD character only would be a waste.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on October 02, 2016, 11:15:39 AM
Here's some for Daredevil season 1 for you off the top of my head.

Reference to Father Lantom (ties to Runaways as well as Cloak & Dagger)  Tons of references to "the incident".  Crusher Creel shows up in Agents of SHIELD as The Absorbing Man.  St. Agnes has ties to SHIELD.  That's where the orphanage that Skye/Daisy/Quake grew up.  In Ben's office there's newspaper articles for "Battle of NY" & "Terror In Harlem" which tie to Avengers & Incredible Hulk.  Roxxon is mentioned a bit as well (ties to Iron Man)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 02, 2016, 01:20:52 PM
For those who've already stopped in to look at this thread, I've done an overhaul of the first post (the 'mission statement' for the thread).  I did that because what I wrote initially wasn't as clear as I thought it should be.  So you may want to read the new version.


K1: Nice!  I added a link to your post in the 'Index' post above. :)


OK... now I have a question.  I've been reading people's opinions about who was 'right' in Captain America: Civil War on Facebook.  I won't respond there (a couple reasons: too many vicious crazies, and I don't care as much about what people I have no relationship with say).  But one thing no-one has brought up is that the moral high ground - I think - partially depends on the number of people one has killed.  [For the true moral high ground, that number would need to be zero.]

I see Tony killing without a second thought since the first Iron Man.  I've seen Cap killing (something he never did in the comics following his thawing, I don't think).  It seems that if they are willing to take lives [because the current 'action movie' tropes require heroes to do so], then neither is truly on the 'highest' ground.

The question I have is: does anyone know of a body count list, by character, for each of the characters in this shared universe?  It would be interesting to see who is the least respecting of human life.  Only the on-screen ones, as ones mentioned but not shown (e.g. Black Widow's past) can't be accurately counted.  [And, for this, I'm just wondering about humans... let's not count the Chitauri since there's good evidence they aren't alive in the sense we know (as they all collapsed when the mothership was destroyed, suggesting they were all animated solely by energy coming from it).]  I'm also referring to deliberate kills, not things like the body count from Wanda not being prepared for the early events of Civil War with Rumlo in Lagos.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 02, 2016, 06:29:28 PM
Sorry I'm multiply-posting here.  These are things I've thought about that I guess I never had the right place to ask or comment on.  Hopefully I'm not the only one who finds them interesting.

My question(s) still stands in the previous post.  But here's some things I found that addresses a tiny bit of it.  When I found it, I just figured I'd share so someone else might not invest the time and effort to find and share info I'd already found.  [Hence the third post in a row.]

I found two kill-count videos, one each for Iron Man and Cap, but they include non-humans.  The Iron Man one shows Tony as killing 40 people just in his first film (then goes on from there).  No remorse at all.  Steve, in his first film, was less than that number, if only just barely, with 39 people [though I question the number racked up for the Hydra 'huge tank'].  But of course he goes on from there in further appearances.  Of course, Cap's kills in his first film were in wartime, but they were still human.  An unrelated aside: I find it rather odd that someone with seemingly no compuction about killing has a problem with someone using the word "shit". ???

Honestly, after looking at that vid, I'm amazed that Mjolnir moved at all when Steve tried to pick it up in Age of Ultron.  It shouldn't have budged.  [Imagine if Gandhi said, "I only killed 39 British invaders, but it was a war for my country"... would that make him 'morally pure' enough to be nearly deified?]


Iron Man 'Kill-Toll' vid:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Captain America 'Kill-Toll' vid:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have a problem with the Cap vid body count for a couple of reasons.  First, it counts every person hit by his shield as dead.  While they might be dead, I feel only 'incapacitating injury' can be assumed for most of them.  Second, all the 'Ultrons' were the same consciousness.  Destroying the bodies of the non-central Ultron is the equivalent of breaking remote computers but leaving the server intact: it does nothing to the OS or data, as only the 'server' is 'alive'.  Plus it was the Vision who eliminated the final one, so Cap would get a '0' for kills there.  I also have a problem with Cap getting 'credit' for the deaths on the three helicarriers in Winter Soldier, given that he had help from Sam to plant the chips, and it was actually Agent Hill that activated them... (in addition, as the story clearly pointed out, they were all three minimally manned ['operated by three people' for one of them], so hardly the death toll for their crashes shown in the video).


I'm still interested in the rest of the Marvel superheroes in the shared universe, if anyone can find anything on the others.  [For arguments sake, we can include Black Widow and Hawkeye in 'superheroes' for this.  I just don't think it worth the effort to find this info for each Agent of SHIELD, for instance.  Particularly if it takes significant effort.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 03, 2016, 08:48:10 PM
Awesome news!

The Punisher Netflix Series Begins Filming (http://screenrant.com/the-punisher-netflix-filming-set-photos/)
(http://static.srcdn.com/slir/w525-h262-q90-c525:262/wp-content/uploads/Jon-Bernthal-as-Frank-Castle-in-Daredevil-Season-2.jpg)

They sure didn't waste any time. ;D



Also on the Netflix front... here's a pretty good article on Luke Cage: A bulletproof black man: Luke Cage is the superhero America needs now (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/sep/30/luke-cage-netflix-marvel-a-bulletproof-black-man-the-superhero-america-needs-now).  Has some relatively minor spoilers (but spoilers nevertheless), so if you are spoiler-sensitive, you may want to wait til you've seen the first season before reading.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Compound on October 04, 2016, 12:24:59 PM
Iron Fist- March 17.

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/608fe4987871eb8c47270dc145fc56dcb9b2ee17/c=0-10-2767-2090&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/10/04/USATODAY/USATODAY/636111713279760351-KICK-110-Unit-02304R-Final.jpg)

Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 09, 2016, 09:40:20 PM
Thanks, Compound!  Lookin' forward to that almost as much as I was to Luke Cage... possibly just as much, actually, but in a different way.


At NYCC the actor was named for the big bad for Marvel/Netflix Defenders series.  And for the Iron Fist panel, all four Defenders showed up.

Picture of the four, plus the big bad given inside a spoiler, just in case people consider it a spoiler.  [Who the actor plays was not stated.]
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 10, 2016, 07:49:13 PM
Marvel's up to SOMETHING with Blade: http://www.avclub.com/article/marvels-dusting-blade-hunt-more-vampires-not-ones--243944
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on October 10, 2016, 09:18:21 PM
Marvel's up to SOMETHING with Blade: http://www.avclub.com/article/marvels-dusting-blade-hunt-more-vampires-not-ones--243944
I'm glad it's not a crossover with Underworld. Those movies not only weren't very good, but their world isn't very interesting.

I do wish Wesley Snipes could play the role at least once more. The guy is still in great shape, and it's a shame for him to go out with the disappointing Blade 3.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 10, 2016, 11:40:02 PM
Marvel's up to SOMETHING with Blade: http://www.avclub.com/article/marvels-dusting-blade-hunt-more-vampires-not-ones--243944
I'm glad it's not a crossover with Underworld. Those movies not only weren't very good, but their world isn't very interesting.

I do wish Wesley Snipes could play the role at least once more. The guy is still in great shape, and it's a shame for him to go out with the disappointing Blade 3.

NOPE scrub that previous shitty Blade universe out. Relaunch it within the MCU the way it should be.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 11, 2016, 05:32:58 PM
Yeah, I'd be up for an MCU revamping of Blade.

Here's a little amusing thing from the interwebs: Luke Cage opening through a 'Family Matters' window...
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/0gpED0Z57RU

...and then... Avengers through a 'Full House' window...
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/C6VgotgUfyA
For a side-by-side for this one vs the original, check this out:
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/vEh6hrFPnO4
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on October 11, 2016, 08:13:24 PM
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/C6VgotgUfyA

no mary-kate and ashley reference? :'(
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 11, 2016, 08:41:45 PM
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/C6VgotgUfyA

no mary-kate and ashley reference? :'(

Check out the 'side-by-side' one I linked to under it: they have Elizabeth Olsen in the credit section that Mary Kate and Ashley were in in the original credits... really kinda' freaky to realize the crossover there.  I don't think the MCU would survive an Avengers/Full House crossover. ;D

[[Gofly: I went back and changed the link to an actual presence of the video in there, because of your comment and what I wrote below.]]

I felt the side-by-side was actually funnier - the shot comparisons, and who the guy had 'fill in' for some of the original casts' placements in the credits.  And things like what the schwarma segment related to in the original.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 12, 2016, 07:31:17 PM
Just saw this on James Gunn's Facebook page and thought this group would be likely to find it amusing...  (note the bottom of the poster, in particular ;D).

(http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq49/LucasM06/Thanos%20-%20the%20Hands%20of%20Fate_zpsxsj8rsiy.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 12, 2016, 08:10:08 PM
Nicely done!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 21, 2016, 01:35:23 PM
It is clear that Doctor Strange doesn't take shit from anyone!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/q9cd1fap1IqNG/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on October 21, 2016, 06:57:49 PM
It is clear that Doctor Strange doesn't take shit from anyone!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/q9cd1fap1IqNG/giphy.gif)
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Is that from an SNL sketch or something?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 21, 2016, 07:56:16 PM
It is clear that Doctor Strange doesn't take shit from anyone!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Is that from an SNL sketch or something?

SNL hasn't been that funny in decades.  It was a Jimmy Kimmel sketch from Cumberbatch's appearance Oct 20.  Cool, just found the whole thing on YouTube:
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/CzQktI1d1zs
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on October 21, 2016, 08:58:22 PM
That was funny, although the gif showed the best part.

I still wish Cumberbatch played the part like Dr. Orpheus
(http://teamventure.org/w/images/thumb/3/3e/Orpheus.png/250px-Orpheus.png)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on October 22, 2016, 08:28:18 AM
Dr. Orpheus has become my default voice in my head when reading Dr. Strange in comics. (It used to be Vincent Price.)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on October 22, 2016, 09:28:21 AM
It'd be great if the DVD had some outtakes of him saying his lines like Dr. Orpheus.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 23, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
Review of Doctor Strange from Variety.  Only copied the second opening paragraph here, the title below is a link to the full article.  Only spoilers I saw in the review are things that are either part of the character's comic history or else to things that have already been way overplayed in the media hype already.

Quote
Film Review: ‘Doctor Strange’ (http://variety.com/2016/film/reviews/doctor-strange-review-marvel-studios-1201895862/)

...
Cut from the same mold as playboys Tony Stark (Iron Man) and Bruce Wayne (Batman), Strange easily might have become world’s most insufferable superhero. But instead, it’s the very fact of this deeply insecure and wildly overcompensating character’s determination to prove himself — coupled with the setback by which texting while driving cripples his hands and very nearly derails him of that ambition — that makes “Doctor Strange” Marvel’s most satisfying entry since “Spider-Man 2,” and a throwback to M. Night Shyamalan’s soul-searching identity-crisis epic “Unbreakable,” which remains the gold standard for thinking people’s superhero movies.

....
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on October 23, 2016, 12:29:40 PM
Quote
M. Night Shyamalan’s soul-searching identity-crisis epic “Unbreakable,” which remains the gold standard for thinking insomniac people’s superhero movies.
Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 23, 2016, 05:16:34 PM
Quote
M. Night Shyamalan’s soul-searching identity-crisis epic “Unbreakable,” which remains the gold standard for thinking insomniac people’s superhero movies.
Fixed it for you.

Never thought I'd agree with Darth about a movie...

(Actually, Unbreakable makes me so angry, that I'd never sleep through it)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 25, 2016, 08:18:01 PM
Awesome!  ;D

Google Maps:
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14729325_1527420797274487_8657334625984298646_n.png?oh=b417b3dbff0e8305d85cf6f95c2125cc&oe=58AC7467)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: BathTub on October 27, 2016, 08:55:04 PM
hmmmm risk the saturday crowds to see Strange or wait till sometime next week.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 27, 2016, 09:25:47 PM
hmmmm risk the saturday crowds to see Strange or wait till sometime next week.

We have tickets for tomorrow afternoon :D
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on October 29, 2016, 12:03:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/88FJic0.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on October 29, 2016, 01:38:52 PM
 :D Where's that dang Like button?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 30, 2016, 11:15:46 AM
3rd hand, but may be legit (from a Twitter feed from "https://twitter.com/manwithoutfear"):

Quote
"Hearing that Charlie Cox told some fans at Alamo comic con today that Defenders starts filming on Monday." (https://twitter.com/manwithoutfear/status/792524793530560512)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 31, 2016, 11:26:51 PM
Rather bummed to read this.  :(

Quote
Netflix’s arm of the MCU is building towards its own Avengers-style team-up, The Defenders, in 2017. In a departure from the norm, the season will run to only eight episodes rather than than the 13-strong runs of Jessica Jones, Daredevil and Luke Cage.

From: http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/netflix-defenders-will-run-eight-episodes/

The article does, however, apparently clearly contradict the 3rd hand account of it already starting filming:
Quote
The first two episodes of The Defenders also have a director in place.

Having "a director in place" is hardly "starting filming [today]".
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 31, 2016, 11:40:54 PM
Rather bummed to read this.  :(

Quote
Netflix’s arm of the MCU is building towards its own Avengers-style team-up, The Defenders, in 2017. In a departure from the norm, the season will run to only eight episodes rather than than the 13-strong runs of Jessica Jones, Daredevil and Luke Cage.

From: http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/netflix-defenders-will-run-eight-episodes/

The article does, however, apparently clearly contradict the 3rd hand account of it already starting filming:
Quote
The first two episodes of The Defenders also have a director in place.

Having "a director in place" is hardly "starting filming [today]".

A shorter season that is as great as the others is fine - I'd rather they didn't pad it out to make 13 eps.

AND we're scheduled to get Iron Fist and The Punisher in 2017 as well, so that means they are upping the release schedule too.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 01, 2016, 10:45:35 AM
Rather bummed to read this.  :(

Quote
Netflix’s arm of the MCU is building towards its own Avengers-style team-up, The Defenders, in 2017. In a departure from the norm, the season will run to only eight episodes rather than than the 13-strong runs of Jessica Jones, Daredevil and Luke Cage.

From: http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/netflix-defenders-will-run-eight-episodes/

A shorter season that is as great as the others is fine - I'd rather they didn't pad it out to make 13 eps.

AND we're scheduled to get Iron Fist and The Punisher in 2017 as well, so that means they are upping the release schedule too.

True on the increased release schedule (hope they do that with the films, and increase to four a year), but with Loeb already saying, "these are four people who have very different ways of looking at their lives... now let's put them together and see what happens" [in the same '8 ep' article], eight episodes seems a bit short to do the character exploration that could be possible for their gaining a level of cohesion to work on the big bad.  And of course, with no announced plans for a second Defenders season, it would simply be nice to get 'more'.

Of course something I didn't think of when writing the first could play a role.  That is that the choice of eight episodes vs. 13 could also be financial.  Netflix could have said, "you have $X for this season," and they couldn't do what they wanted to if the show was 13 episodes long (building sets, going to locations, CGI work, etc.).  In other words: with their budget, and their expectations for what they are doing, it is possible they simply couldn't have afforded more than eight episodes.


Oh, and with the 'filming'/'not filming', I don't know what to think, because this was just posted on Facebook:
Quote
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14962715_1534577009892199_8408131848595717482_n.jpg?oh=112649bc4f84f29a7ed53ffecf46dd24&oe=588A4DA5)
"Jessica Jones and Misty Knight on the set of THE DEFENDERS!" (https://www.facebook.com/MarvelCinematicUniverse/photos/a.255014641181782.86037.217181691631744/1534577009892199/?type=3&theater)
If that is true, then yes, filming for Defenders has already started, just as Cox had said (3rd hand).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 01, 2016, 04:49:03 PM
Well, on one hand it might not seem like enough time to develop them, but on the other hand, it's the equivalent runtime of four movies, so think of how much one can do with four movies.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 01, 2016, 06:23:36 PM
Well, on one hand it might not seem like enough time to develop them, but on the other hand, it's the equivalent runtime of four movies, so think of how much one can do with four movies.

I understand it is equivalent to four films.  But it is also possibly the only Defenders we'll get.  Or, if not, it may be another three years before they do another season given how long it's taken to schedule additional series and with the appearance that Netflix has a limit of two or three to how many Marvel seasons of any kind they'll fund/release in a year.  So for a potential 'one-off', or even a 'one-every-three-years'-off I don't feel it is enough.  [Yes, I realize I'm greedy. ;D]

I'm just thinking of the subtlety and details involved in the Netflix/Marvel series so far.  How easy would it be to do Daredevil season 2 with the interactions with Electra and Punisher if they only had eight episodes?  And that's one less main character than Defenders.  [Yes, I also understand that neither Electra nor Punisher had their own series first so the characters had to be built up from scratch, where all four Defenders will have had at least one season under their belts by the time Defenders is released.]

I think if they had announced that The Defenders was going to be only eight episodes when they first announced it would occur, I would likely not have a problem with the shorter season.  It is the fact that they have apparently already started shooting, and they are only just now saying, "oh, by the way: it'll only be 61% as long as the other Netflix/Marvel series," that has ticked me off about it.

[Also keep in mind: my life is SO limited by my injuries, that there is VERY little I look forward to.  To have the rug pulled out, or shortened, on something like this at this late date has its effects.  Like being told a couple months in advance you are getting 'x' for Christmas as a kid, but then a couple weeks' before Christmas being told: "oh, you're only getting 61% of x, actually".  If you're feeling shitty to begin with, that would really have an impact.]

[TMFI (I think people can guess the 'F') & I can tell I'm seizing from yesterday, despite the extra meds I've taken for it.  (146 trick-or-treaters in an hour and 20 minutes.  Keeping track of and at least nominally interacting with each [plus parents for the younger ones], when interacting with ONE person for that long takes me a couple weeks to recover from.)]

If someone responds to this, please don't quote it.  I may delete all or part of it later (when I'm more functional).  Thank you.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 01, 2016, 06:30:25 PM
Hey, I'd love more, more, more too! I can't wait until there is at least one new MCU release a week! That's the world I want to live in. But, in 2017 we're getting:

Iron Fist
Defenders
Punisher
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Spider-Man
Thor Ragnarok
Agents of SHIELD
Damage Control
Cloak & Dagger

So, that's a pretty great slate for one year! :D

(I suspect you are probably right this will be the only Defenders series we get, but I think there's a possibility of a Heroes For Hire series)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 01, 2016, 06:54:42 PM
I can't wait until there is at least one new MCU release a week! That's the world I want to live in.

I fully support this!!  ;D


Damage Control is confirmed?  I hadn't seen that.  I thought it was still being considered (with just a script, but not even a pilot, ordered yet).

I do agree that nine is a reasonable number, with Iron Fist and Punisher being ~13 hours each, Defenders ~8, SHIELD ~15, the three films ~2 each, that's still only(::)) 55 hours of Marvel on film for the year.  If Damage Control is confirmed, then that'd be maybe 7 1/2 more if it is a standard '1/2 hour' sitcom (though IMDb has it listed as a TV Movie at this point), and Cloak and Dagger either 7 1/2 or 15 depending on if it is designed to fill a half-hour block or full hour (guessing the latter).  If C&D is an 'hour' (~41 mins), then that's 77 1/2 hours for a year.

That breaks down into only one hour of new Marvel every four 3/4 days!

Not enough. ;D


[Hopefully it is clear I realize I'm being unreasonable here.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 01, 2016, 07:10:49 PM
I know Damage Control was a 'put pilot' so at very least we should see something.

The ABC Entertainment president said it would be part of the 2016-17 season, and I haven't heard anything different yet, so I assume it's still coming.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 01, 2016, 08:28:08 PM
I know Damage Control was a 'put pilot' so at very least we should see something.

The ABC Entertainment president said it would be part of the 2016-17 season, and I haven't heard anything different yet, so I assume it's still coming.

That's great!  Looking forward to still more variety from the company that seems to have a lock on quality entertainment (with the exception of an average Agents of SHIELD episode here and there [which episodes those are being completely personal preference, of course ;)]).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 01, 2016, 09:12:28 PM
I wonder if the pilot for Most Wanted will ever see the light of day? An extra on an Agents of SHIELD set maybe?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on November 02, 2016, 05:43:56 PM
I wonder if the pilot for Most Wanted will ever see the light of day? An extra on an Agents of SHIELD set maybe?

I hope so! I really wanted to see that show get picked up.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 02, 2016, 05:54:31 PM
I wonder if the pilot for Most Wanted will ever see the light of day? An extra on an Agents of SHIELD set maybe?

I hope so! I really wanted to see that show get picked up.

Ditto. I am shocked they couldn't make it work. :/
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on November 02, 2016, 06:44:35 PM
And now we have a 4 week wait until the next SHIELD episode... :(
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 02, 2016, 06:48:15 PM
I wonder if the pilot for Most Wanted will ever see the light of day? An extra on an Agents of SHIELD set maybe?

I hope so! I really wanted to see that show get picked up.

Ditto. I am shocked they couldn't make it work. :/

And to top that off, because they anticipated them being occupied with their own series, they burned bridges so thoroughly that the two couldn't come back to Agents of SHIELD without their leaving being trivialized. :(
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 02, 2016, 07:18:17 PM
I wonder if the pilot for Most Wanted will ever see the light of day? An extra on an Agents of SHIELD set maybe?

I hope so! I really wanted to see that show get picked up.

Ditto. I am shocked they couldn't make it work. :/

And to top that off, because they anticipated them being occupied with their own series, they burned bridges so thoroughly that the two couldn't come back to Agents of SHIELD without their leaving being trivialized. :(

While everyone was campaigning for Agent Carter to be picked up by Netflix, I was hoping Mockingbird would be. If nothing else, she'd fit in great with the Defenders Universe they have going.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 02, 2016, 07:19:10 PM
And now we have a 4 week wait until the next SHIELD episode... :(

I am actually grateful for this.  Because the Darkholde is apparently a big deal in the Doctor Strange film, and what happens there will in turn affect Agents of SHIELD, it means that I have a few weeks in which I can hopefully build up the capacity to go and see Doctor Strange soon.  [I've read that the 3D in it is far better than in Marvel's previous films, and that it adds a lot to the storytelling, so I plan to see it in IMAX 3D.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 02, 2016, 08:31:15 PM
And now we have a 4 week wait until the next SHIELD episode... :(

I am actually grateful for this.  Because the Darkholde is apparently a big deal in the Doctor Strange film, and what happens there will in turn affect Agents of SHIELD, it means that I have a few weeks in which I can hopefully build up the capacity to go and see Doctor Strange soon.  [I've read that the 3D in it is far better than in Marvel's previous films, and that it adds a lot to the storytelling, so I plan to see it in IMAX 3D.]

There is no mention of the Darkhold in Dr Strange.

As yet, I have seen no connection.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: The Lurker on November 02, 2016, 08:42:35 PM
Any nods to Shuma Gorath?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 02, 2016, 08:46:26 PM
None that I caught.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 02, 2016, 08:53:05 PM
And now we have a 4 week wait until the next SHIELD episode... :(

I am actually grateful for this.  Because the Darkholde is apparently a big deal in the Doctor Strange film, and what happens there will in turn affect Agents of SHIELD, it means that I have a few weeks in which I can hopefully build up the capacity to go and see Doctor Strange soon.  [I've read that the 3D in it is far better than in Marvel's previous films, and that it adds a lot to the storytelling, so I plan to see it in IMAX 3D.]

There is no mention of the Darkhold in Dr Strange.

As yet, I have seen no connection.

Cool.  It was Jed Whedon in THIS (http://mcuexchange.com/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-will-tie-in-with-doctor-strange-and-fury-could-be-returning-to-the-show/) article that said that AoS and DrS were tied closely together with the 'boxes' (all that was revealed at that point, though I believe 'the book' was also mentioned in another article I read) connecting with Doctor Strange, and that the film would then affect Agents of SHIELD.  [The latter is almost a given anyway, with film-to-TV history for the MCU consistently demonstrating that.]

When re-reading the article, it wasn't as clear-cut as I'd remembered.  Jed said:
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We are introducing a different supernatural element of the MCU, which happens to coincide with the release of Doctor Strange. So that’s what’s in the box — we can’t tell you, but something along those lines…I think you will be rewarded for [watching both Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Doctor Strange]. Some of the questions that we’re asking right at the top will be answered by the film and directly after the film. We’re starting to explore some of the same worlds.
That does NOT say the box contents themselves cross with Doctor Strange, just that, "some of the questions that we’re asking right at the top will be answered by the film and directly after the film".  So the ideas from SHIELD cross over and are "answered" in the film, more so than items themselves... or at least that's the way I'm now reading that.

I must have been more out of it than I thought when I read that originally, as generally if I remember something at all it is more accurate than what I thought.  [Unless the other article, which I can't yet find, where they mentioned 'the book' specifically, said something that retroactively altered my memory of what Jed Whedon had said.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 14, 2016, 10:18:43 AM
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Two things: they should have added an extra 's' to make it 'Assguardian'.  And the person posting it should have written, "And here it is for posteriority".

EDIT: OK, three things: Charmin also could have (but wouldn't have) said, "With our otherworldly softness, we make thure you don't have a Thore ass after wiping."
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Compound on November 14, 2016, 04:29:55 PM
Wondering where that Inhumans movie has gone? Well.....

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LOS ANGELES — One of Marvel Entertainment’s most sprawling superhero mythologies, the Inhumans, is headed to the small screen in a major way.

But the Inhuman likes of Black Bolt, Crystal and Lockjaw, the teleporting dog, will first appear on big screens. As in the biggest.

Imax Corporation, Marvel and the ABC broadcast network announced a partnership on Monday to introduce — and finance — a lavish new television series that will focus on the Inhuman royal family. Under the agreement, a version that combines the initial two episodes of “Marvel’s The Inhumans,” shot entirely with Imax cameras, will play exclusively for two weeks next September on Imax screens worldwide.

Shortly thereafter, the episodes — edited to include additional scenes — will run on ABC, with new installments unspooling in typical prime-time fashion. (The look of the series on TV will be enhanced due to Imax technology.)

So TV episodes shown on IMAX and then back to TV.



Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 14, 2016, 04:49:30 PM
Huh.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 14, 2016, 05:08:32 PM
Wondering where that Inhumans movie has gone? Well.....

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LOS ANGELES — One of Marvel Entertainment’s most sprawling superhero mythologies, the Inhumans, is headed to the small screen in a major way.

But the Inhuman likes of Black Bolt, Crystal and Lockjaw, the teleporting dog, will first appear on big screens. As in the biggest.

Imax Corporation, Marvel and the ABC broadcast network announced a partnership on Monday to introduce — and finance — a lavish new television series that will focus on the Inhuman royal family. Under the agreement, a version that combines the initial two episodes of “Marvel’s The Inhumans,” shot entirely with Imax cameras, will play exclusively for two weeks next September on Imax screens worldwide.

Shortly thereafter, the episodes — edited to include additional scenes — will run on ABC, with new installments unspooling in typical prime-time fashion. (The look of the series on TV will be enhanced due to Imax technology.)

So TV episodes shown on IMAX and then back to TV.

Good news, I think.  But if they turn it into a 'King of Queens'-type show ;D, I'll be very upset.  [Y'know: cuz Black Bolt is King, and Medusa is Queen.... (<crickets>)]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on November 14, 2016, 05:09:28 PM
Could be cool. I think the Inhumans lends itself better to a series rather than a single movie.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 14, 2016, 05:17:12 PM
Could be cool. I think the Inhumans lends itself better to a series rather than a single movie.

Agree.

In thinking about it (for all of maybe 2-3 minutes) my personal preference would be for a less broadcast/prime-timey venue.  Though CBS is too 'gentle' (i.e. needing to be a bit too mainstream for the unusual kinds of stories I think the Inhumans demand), I think Netflix's Marvel would be too dark for it, and Freeform [Cloak and Dagger] is aimed too young... we need a Goldilocks zone for serialized Marvel TV properties to be adult-complex without being soul-wrenchingly dark.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 15, 2016, 10:47:56 AM
New info on it.  Apparently it will be an eight episode mini-series, not an ongoing series.  I'm thinking there's both pros and cons to this.  Some of them: pros include it having a more well-defined, and therefore possibly more complex, plot; cons include that there won't be more than roughly six hours of it (when commercials are removed).

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Marvel, ABC Set 'The Inhumans' TV Series (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/marvel-abc-set-inhumans-tv-series-947296)

The comic book studio — which previously abandoned plans for an Inhumans feature film — is now set to team with ABC Studios for an eight-episode live-action drama series set to premiere in the fall of 2017.

Few details are known about the project, including producers, cast and premise. The first two episodes of the series will debut in Imax theaters for two weeks in summer 2017 before moving to ABC in September where they will be followed by six subsequent new episodes.

Sources note that this is not the planned Inhumans feature film, which was initially set for July 2019 but pulled from the schedule. It is also not a spinoff of Marvel drama Agents of SHIELD, which has spent a good deal of time exploring a storyline about its Inhumans.

With this the case, it not 'interacting' with Agents of SHIELD sounds like a good idea, as that would dilute the content/characterization/plot by not having full focus on the Inhumans' royal family and court.  Without Agents of SHIELD already explaining who the Inhumans are, it would have had to use screen time with an origin, but now can mostly just jump in with people presumably knowing who/what 'Inhumans' are.

This final line in the article confuses me a bit, however:
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The Inhumans TV series will also be filmed completely with Imax cameras.
If only the first two episodes will be shown in IMAX theaters, what's the point of the highly-expensive, difficult-to-maneuver cameras being used for all of it?  It does, however, bode very well for how epic it may be, as IMAX isn't used for just talking heads.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on November 15, 2016, 11:09:28 AM

This final line in the article confuses me a bit, however:
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The Inhumans TV series will also be filmed completely with Imax cameras.
If only the first two episodes will be shown in IMAX theaters, what's the point of the highly-expensive, difficult-to-maneuver cameras being used for all of it?  It does, however, bode very well for how epic it may be, as IMAX isn't used for just talking heads.
If I had to guess, I'd say it's a promotional thing for IMAX.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 15, 2016, 02:00:06 PM

This final line in the article confuses me a bit, however:
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The Inhumans TV series will also be filmed completely with Imax cameras.
If only the first two episodes will be shown in IMAX theaters, what's the point of the highly-expensive, difficult-to-maneuver cameras being used for all of it?  It does, however, bode very well for how epic it may be, as IMAX isn't used for just talking heads.
If I had to guess, I'd say it's a promotional thing for IMAX.

Given the pricey nature of operating IMAX cameras, it seems a bit excessive given the small size of most Americans' TVs.  However, I guess having "Brought to you by IMAX" in big honkin' letters on each and every episode would be good PR for them.  Plus it doesn't cost IMAX themselves all that much to use cameras etc. that they already have.  The difference between the lost revenue from what they could charge to rent them out vs the actual operating cost the only loss in the equation.  So, yeah, makes sense now.  Thanks.  Plus, I suppose, it would make 4K releases of the hard copies more desirable as well, so bigger $ on the back end may be possible as well.

And heck, if they are helping foot the bill to give it a bigger budget so the special effects and sets won't look 'TV quality', more power to them. :)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Compound on November 15, 2016, 03:23:02 PM

If only the first two episodes will be shown in IMAX theaters, what's the point of the highly-expensive, difficult-to-maneuver cameras being used for all of it?  It does, however, bode very well for how epic it may be, as IMAX isn't used for just talking heads.
If I had to guess, I'd say it's a promotional thing for IMAX.


Maybe they're aiming for the 4k market. I'm just guessing, but stuff filmed on IMAX might look better on 4k sets. Right now, I don't think there's a lot of programming that takes advantage of 4k, so maybe Disney's thinking if they put a show of theirs in that format, they can capture that market. (shrug)  Or option 2- a decision made with booze helping.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 21, 2016, 06:13:26 PM
Hey, I'd love more, more, more too! I can't wait until there is at least one new MCU release a week! That's the world I want to live in. But, in 2017 we're getting:

Iron Fist
Defenders
Punisher
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Spider-Man
Thor Ragnarok
Agents of SHIELD
Damage Control
Cloak & Dagger

So, that's a pretty great slate for one year! :D

(I suspect you are probably right this will be the only Defenders series we get, but I think there's a possibility of a Heroes For Hire series)

Someone even did a graphic for this.  But still... that averages out to just barely over an hour of new Marvel a week and only if one 'doses' themselves accordingly!  >:( ( ;D )

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/15123018_1557567100926523_5741382436275580078_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 22, 2016, 06:36:20 PM
Great little interview with Kevin Feige.  Talks about Spider-Man, Brie Larson as Captain Marvel, diversity in the films, and that a crossover with Fox's properties like with Sony for Spider-Man, is "an impossibility at this juncture".

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/marvel-kevin-feige-interview-spider-man-captain-marvel-diversity-1201923851/ (http://variety.com/2016/film/news/marvel-kevin-feige-interview-spider-man-captain-marvel-diversity-1201923851/)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 22, 2016, 07:38:23 PM
If anyone cares, I just updated my 'crossover index/interactions' post (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019).  I corrected a couple things, and added some things to film or TV stuff already there, but also added known upcoming releases into the list.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 30, 2016, 12:06:28 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15232103_1224278884277502_3990677309836146173_n.jpg?oh=96cbed3d226e3be2ad7047f5ed5a5099&oe=58B53E29)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on November 30, 2016, 07:43:36 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15232103_1224278884277502_3990677309836146173_n.jpg?oh=96cbed3d226e3be2ad7047f5ed5a5099&oe=58B53E29)

why isn't it called the thancopter?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on December 03, 2016, 11:39:20 PM
Because it is true to continuity (http://www.cbr.com/i-love-ya-but-youre-strange-the-birth-of-the-thanos-copter/)!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on December 03, 2016, 11:43:38 PM
If they can work Thanos' helicopter into MCU continuity, I'll be a happy man.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 04, 2016, 11:20:52 AM
Marvel And Netflix Confirm Luke Cage Season 2 (http://comicbook.com/2016/12/04/marvel-and-netflix-confirm-luke-cage-season-2/)

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Marvel and Netflix have officially confirmed that Marvel's Luke Cage will be getting a second season.

The announcement was made with a tweet that featured a video set to the tune of the Luke Cage opening theme, sent out with Cage's own mantra, "Always forward."

That makes Marvel three-for-three with second season renewals on Netflix. Marvel's Daredevil was renewed for a second season on Netflix and has since earned a third. Marvel's Jessica Jones has also been renewed for a second season.

No release date was named. There was simply a neon sign in the window of Pop's Barber Shop that reads "Season 2 Coming Soon." Luke Cage Season 2 will presumably follow Marvel's Iron Fist and the crossover Marvel's Defenders series, which will both land on Netflix in 2017.

Luke Cage star Mike Colter has teased that the series' second season may see Luke teaming up with soon-to-be fellow Defender Iron Fist, played in the Marvel Cinematic Universe by Game of Thrones alum Finn Jones. Both characters are best known for their time as the crime-fighting-for-profit duo called Heroes for Hire.

In addition to Iron Fist and Defenders, Marvel also has Daredevil Season 3, Jessica Jones Season 2 and the first season of Daredevil spin-off Marvel's Punisher queued up for Netflix, giving superhero streamers plenty to look forward to.

Part of the next to last paragraph is deceptive.  What Colter said was (http://comicbook.com/2016/10/31/luke-cage-iron-fist-heroes-hire-netflix-mcu/):
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While at LA Comic-Con over the weekend, Mike Colter teased the Heroes for Hire team up to fans, saying, "Finn Jones I was just hanging out with him yesterday. So [I'm] going back to New York, start filming... We're getting ready to do 'Heroes for Hire' eventually, come on."

To be clear: Colter isn't saying they are filming Heroes for Hire right now; the shoot in NYC is for The Defenders. He's just (half-) jokingly alluding to him and Jones keeping in communication because eventually they are going to unite for HfH. So file this under actor hopes with a side of Marvel long-term planning, but not an official confirmation... yet.

"We're getting ready to do 'Heroes for Hire' eventually, come on," means 'we're getting to know each other better because we hope there will be a Heroes for Hire show, because how couldn't there be one'.  That's pretty different from "teased that the series' second season may see Luke teaming up with soon-to-be fellow Defender Iron Fist".  The article is basically click-bait level 'reporting' for that aspect of what it said.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 04, 2016, 04:00:37 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15232103_1224278884277502_3990677309836146173_n.jpg?oh=96cbed3d226e3be2ad7047f5ed5a5099&oe=58B53E29)

I KNOW this is taking the comic too seriously, but:

Thor 3 and GotG both take place off planet, and might all happen during the exact time of Civil War though, and if we don't see/hear from Thanos during a film, doesn't mean he hasn't done something somewhere in the universe towards his goals anyway.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 06, 2016, 03:23:56 PM
I had hoped this thread to be more discussion of content.  I guess since currently there's not much active, that's not really possible.  So here's another graphic on Marvel TV:

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/15304303_1577896812226885_366177486081903126_o.jpg)
(the pic is actually much bigger than what shows here)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 06, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
I wonder if Damage Control is quietly disappearing?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 06, 2016, 05:51:19 PM
I wonder if Damage Control is quietly disappearing?

Talk of it certainly seems to have vanished.  After your question, I did a couple searches, and can't find any newer info since about January of this year.  Possibly a crib death?


Other news:
Marvel's 'Inhumans' Sets 'Dexter' Grad as Showrunner (Exclusive) (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/marvels-inhumans-sets-dexter-grad-as-showrunner-947311)

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Scott Buck, who is currently overseeing Netflix's Marvel show 'Iron Fist,' will do the same with the forthcoming ABC drama.

ABC and Marvel are turning to a familiar face to oversee The Inhumans.

Dexter grad Scott Buck has been tapped to serve as showrunner on ABC's straight-to-series Marvel and Imax drama, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

The Inhumans, a race of superhumans with diverse and unique powers, were first introduced in Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in 1965. Since then, they have become among the most popular characters in the Marvel Universe. ABC's The Inhumans will explore the never-before-told epic adventure of Black Bolt and the royal family.

Buck will serve as showrunner on the drama series, with the first two episodes set to exclusively unspool in Imax theaters over a two-week period starting Labor Day Weekend 2017 before the drama debuts on ABC in September in a groundbreaking, first-of-its-kind collaboration that helps cut through the crowded fall landscape.

The Inhumans deal extends Marvel's relationship with Buck, who is currently serving as showrunner on the comic book powerhouse's Netflix drama Iron Fist. Iron Fist is Marvel and Netflix's fourth series, with the fifth — mini The Defenders — set to feature stars from the former as well as Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage.

Iron Fist marks Buck's first post-Dexter gig. Buck served as showrunner for the final three seasons of Showtime's Michael C. Hall serial-killer-with-a-code drama after taking over for Clyde Phillips. Buck's credits also include Six Feet Under, Rome and Coach. He's repped by CAA.

Picked up straight to series Nov. 14, The Inhumans is ABC's latest Marvel collaboration. The live-action TV series is not taking the place of the planned feature film and is not a spinoff of ABC's Marvel drama Agents of SHIELD. This becomes ABC's third Marvel series, following SHIELD and the late and great Agent Carter. Inhumans is produced by Marvel, ABC Studios and Imax, with all episodes set to be filmed with Imax cameras.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 06, 2016, 06:13:13 PM
I wonder if Damage Control is quietly disappearing?

Talk of it certainly seems to have vanished.  After your question, I did a couple searches, and can't find any newer info since about January of this year.  Possibly a crib death?

I wasn't convinced it was going to be great anyway, but I'm always hungry for more MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 06, 2016, 06:57:58 PM
I wonder if Damage Control is quietly disappearing?

Talk of it certainly seems to have vanished.  After your question, I did a couple searches, and can't find any newer info since about January of this year.  Possibly a crib death?

I wasn't convinced it was going to be great anyway, but I'm always hungry for more MCU.

Yeah, I agree (on both parts).  I think for Damage Control to truly be funny, it would need a budget almost rivaling Agents of SHIELD (and that budget for a 1/2 hour comedy).  Because it would actually have to show catastrophe on a real scale to have the 'antics' play off them comedically.  If the environment isn't believable, the comedy would be likely to fall flat.  Honestly, if they could re-use theatrical catastrophic set pieces already created for the MCU films (i.e. the damaged areas are already built in the computer), it would collapse the budget enormously... of course, then they'd be using top-tier special effects houses, which are not only pricier than those used for TV special effects, but are also booked to capacity for years in advance, I would think.

But I guess we'll get an 'also-ran' with DC's upcoming 'Powerless' in early 2017 (a mid-season replacement).  If you aren't following DC as much, it is a 1/2-hour comedy of an insurance company dealing with superhero fallout (not nearly the budgetary requirements of Damage Control, as they likely only have to show photos of much of the damage they are dealing with).  It apparently stars a RiffTrax film alum, Vanessa Hudgens from High School Musical (who apparently has been performing successfully as a lead on Broadway recently).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 06, 2016, 08:02:44 PM
Back a couple pages (possibly even the bottom of page 1 of this thread) I'd started discussing Captain America: Civil War, and I'd intended to get into it from the standpoint of the psychological concepts of moral development as delineated by Lawrence Kohlberg.  [I did my Master's thesis research using those stages and dogmatism as described by Milton Rokeach, seeing how they interacted.  (My theory: that only those who were not dogmatic could reach higher moral development levels.  While my subject pool was too narrow to get conclusive results, they appeared to support that.)]

Here's a quick run-down of the moral stages, from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development):
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    Level 1 (Pre-Conventional)
            1. Obedience and punishment orientation
                    (How can I avoid punishment?)
            2. Self-interest orientation
                    (What's in it for me?)
                    (Paying for a benefit)

    Level 2 (Conventional)
            3. Interpersonal accord and conformity
                    (Social norms)
                    (The good boy/girl attitude)
            4. Authority and social-order maintaining orientation
                    (Law and order morality)

    Level 3 (Post-Conventional)
            5. Social contract orientation
            6. Universal ethical principles
                    (Principled conscience)

To put it simply, in my evaluation of his behavior, Tony Stark varies from stage 2 to stage 4 (tops), while Steve Rogers is most likely in stage 6 (and has been at that stage since he first appeared as the scrawny kid who 'took it outside' to keep a jerk from causing additional emotional pain to a woman suffering from a loved one being [lost?/injured?/absent?] in the war).

So (quoting the Wikipedia page with the exception of the MCU names):

Tony Stark =
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Stage two (self-interest driven) expresses the "what's in it for me" position, in which right behavior is defined by whatever the individual believes to be in their best interest but understood in a narrow way which does not consider one's reputation or relationships to groups of people. Stage two reasoning shows a limited interest in the needs of others, but only to a point where it might further the individual's own interests. As a result, concern for others is not based on loyalty or intrinsic respect, but rather a "You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours" mentality.[2] The lack of a societal perspective in the pre-conventional level is quite different from the social contract (stage five), as all actions at this stage have the purpose of serving the individual's own needs or interests. For the stage two theorist, the world's perspective is often seen as morally relative.

...but during the film, out of guilt, Tony at least appears to get to:
 
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Stage four (authority and social order obedience driven), it is important to obey laws, dictums, and social conventions because of their importance in maintaining a functioning society. Moral reasoning in stage four is thus beyond the need for individual approval exhibited in stage three. A central ideal or ideals often prescribe what is right and wrong. If one person violates a law, perhaps everyone would—thus there is an obligation and a duty to uphold laws and rules. When someone does violate a law, it is morally wrong; culpability is thus a significant factor in this stage as it separates the bad domains from the good ones. Most active members of society remain at stage four, where morality is still predominantly dictated by an outside force.[2]


Steve Rogers, however, is at:
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Stage six (universal ethical principles driven), moral reasoning is based on abstract reasoning using universal ethical principles. Laws are valid only insofar as they are grounded in justice, and a commitment to justice carries with it an obligation to disobey unjust laws. Legal rights are unnecessary, as social contracts are not essential for deontic moral action. Decisions are not reached hypothetically in a conditional way but rather categorically in an absolute way, as in the philosophy of Immanuel Kant.[18] This involves an individual imagining what they would do in another’s shoes, if they believed what that other person imagines to be true.[19] The resulting consensus is the action taken. In this way action is never a means but always an end in itself; the individual acts because it is right, and not because it avoids punishment, is in their best interest, expected, legal, or previously agreed upon. Although Kohlberg insisted that stage six exists, he found it difficult to identify individuals who consistently operated at that level.[15]


I just thought this was a different 'take' on the film, and one I find more interesting than much of what has been written about it before (e.g. "who was right/wrong?").  I'd hoped to use more of my own text in the writing of this, but the further we get past the film, the more apparent it is that that is unlikely to ever happen, so I figured I'd at least put this out there.

Discuss.  :)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on December 07, 2016, 04:13:24 PM
New Agents of SHIELD spin-off news.  Sadly not the Most Wanted one, but....

http://comicbook.com/2016/12/07/marvel-announces-new-digital-tv-series/

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Marvel's Agents of SHIELD was all set to receive its own spinoff series in Most Wanted, but dreams were dashed when ABC didn't pick up the pilot. Now Agents of SHIELD is getting another spinoff project, this time in the form of a digital show called Slingshot.

The digital series will follow Elena "Yo-Yo" Rodriguez (played by Natalia Cordova-Buckley), who says of her role "There's a lot of me in Yo-Yo and a lot of Yo-Yo in me." The web series is actually a prequel to the start of season 4, showing how she comes to terms with her powers and giving it a bit of insight into the character's past.

Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Slingshot takes place shortly before the beginning of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 4. The digital series features Elena "Yo-Yo" Rodriguez, an Inhuman with the ability to move at super-speed. As a person with powers, she must sign the Sokovia Accords. However, the restrictions of the Accords are in direct conflict with a personal mission she's desperate to fulfill, one that will test her abilities and will include tense encounters with S.H.I.E.L.D. team members.


Slingshot launches on December 13, which is also when Marvel's Agents of SHIELD returns to ABC.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on December 07, 2016, 04:22:59 PM
I love Yo-Yo and can't wait for this, but she's not who I'd pick for a spinoff...
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 07, 2016, 08:50:46 PM
Wonder if Slingshot will be watchable outside of the US?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 13, 2016, 07:55:54 PM
Wonder if Slingshot will be watchable outside of the US?
From the Agents of SHIELD thread:
'Slingshot' micro-series up and running.  Netflix style (all available at one).  Starts here: http://abc.go.com/shows/marvels-agents-of-shield-slingshot/episode-guide/season-01/01-vendetta

So you'll have to let us know, EJG III, if it works for those outside the US.  I hope so.  While it wasn't mind-blowing, altogether it was a nice 'short solo episode' of AoS.

I do hope they add it as an extra to the Blus for this season.  [comment outside the purview of this thread: I'm still ticked that NONE of the versions of the first X-Men film has contained the 1/2-hour made for TV show that was aired as a real statement by Senator Kelly on the dangers of mutants.  It was on the Monday before the film released (if I'm remembering correctly).  And it's never been seen since. >:(]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 13, 2016, 08:05:58 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/15380599_10154852170404588_4253294033517478998_n.jpg?oh=9e3ea631d8ce7adef0b90a1e08d49f85&oe=58AF1749)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 13, 2016, 09:13:39 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15541458_1587619461254620_7544096308837927248_n.jpg?oh=6ad8bb239a7e7c6d8a83a4ef76470bfe&oe=58F23FB4)

 ;D
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on December 13, 2016, 09:15:58 PM
Wonder if Slingshot will be watchable outside of the US?
From the Agents of SHIELD thread:
'Slingshot' micro-series up and running.  Netflix style (all available at one).  Starts here: http://abc.go.com/shows/marvels-agents-of-shield-slingshot/episode-guide/season-01/01-vendetta

So you'll have to let us know, EJG III, if it works for those outside the US.  I hope so.  While it wasn't mind-blowing, altogether it was a nice 'short solo episode' of AoS.

not in the great white north, anyways:

(http://i.imgur.com/yiqR55s.png)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 13, 2016, 09:35:40 PM
Wonder if Slingshot will be watchable outside of the US?
From the Agents of SHIELD thread:
'Slingshot' micro-series up and running.  Netflix style (all available at one).  Starts here: http://abc.go.com/shows/marvels-agents-of-shield-slingshot/episode-guide/season-01/01-vendetta
So you'll have to let us know, EJG III, if it works for those outside the US.  I hope so.  While it wasn't mind-blowing, altogether it was a nice 'short solo episode' of AoS.

not in the great white north, anyways:

(http://i.imgur.com/yiqR55s.png)

 >:( That sucks!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 13, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
People not from the US can go suck eggs, as usual.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 15, 2016, 06:12:45 PM
http://mcuexchange.com/speculation-damage-control-might-debut-in-spider-man-homecoming/
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 15, 2016, 07:41:54 PM
http://mcuexchange.com/speculation-damage-control-might-debut-in-spider-man-homecoming/

Cool, thanks for the link!  Seems pretty likely it's Damage Control there.  And Damage Control certainly fits better with the more fun/quirky 'neighborhood' of Spidey than, say, it would have in Captain America: Civil War. ;D

What may be happening is they didn't think it'd have enough steam to premiere on its own, so - like Coulson's film appearances ultimately ushering in Agents of SHIELD - possibly Spider-Man: Homecoming will be the introduction of the concept so that when it does appear on TV (next Fall, maybe?) it will already have some built-in followers.  (More followers than those who know it from comics or who will follow anything Marvel does on film, at any rate.)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 15, 2016, 08:32:16 PM
Yeah, I think the same thing. Hope that's the case anyway.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on January 11, 2017, 07:10:16 PM
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Peter Dinklage Eyed for a Key Role in ‘Avengers: Infinity War’ (EXCLUSIVE) (http://variety.com/2017/film/news/peter-dinklage-avengers-infinity-war-1201954237/)

Are Tyrion Lannister and Tony Stark about to cross paths?

Sources tell Variety that “Game of Thrones” star Peter Dinklage is in early talks for a key role in Marvel’s “Avengers: Infinity War.”

Marvel had no comment.

Production on the seventh season of “Game of Thrones” recently wrapped. Since the schedule for the show has moved from a summer shoot to a fall shoot, Dinklage’s schedule allowed him to board the latest “Avengers” pic which is expected to shoot sometime in early summer.

The plan is shoot the next two “Avengers” films (“Infinity War” and a yet untitled sequel) back-to-back. Sources indicate Dinklage is expected to appear in both.

Plot details are vague, other then the superhero team returning to face the Marvel mega-villain Thanos (voiced by Josh Brolin). Dinklage’s role is also unknown at this time.

Dinklage is one of the few new cast members to be added to the franchise. Previous stars like Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans are on board to return.

After directing the last two installments in the “Captain America” franchise, Anthony and Joe Russo now take over the reigns of directing the “Avengers” franchise, with the previous two pics directed by Joss Whedon. “Avengers: Infinity War” has a release date of May 4, 2018.

I'm with the buzz on Facebook, he'd be a wonderful Pip the Troll, Adam Warlock's friend and sidekick during the Infinity War/Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity Watch/etc. series (who then went on to have his own adventures later).

He'd be great in any part (size irrelevant), but I'm hoping for Pip because it would mean Warlock's basically confirmed (finally).

Here's Pip being Pip, and meeting Gamora for the first time in what is also - I believe - the first time Starlin introduced/created the character people know so well from 'Guardians of the Galaxy':
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on January 11, 2017, 09:13:03 PM
Could he be Uatu, the Watcher? That could be interesting and add a whole new dynamic to the Infinity War.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on January 12, 2017, 12:34:24 AM
The Watcher didn't really play any role in the Infinity ___ stories (e.g. Gauntlet, War, Crusade, etc.).  While I'm sure Peter Dinklage could play an amazing Watcher, I certainly hope that the MCU isn't going to stray that far from the source material.  [Plus, The Watcher started and was mainly a Fantastic Four-related character for a good portion of his early appearances, so may very well be part of the character license to FOX.]

Pip the troll, on the other hand, was pretty integral to all the Inifinity ___ stories, and (at least as of 2014's Thanos vs Hulk) still has/had possession of the 'Space' gem in the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on January 12, 2017, 03:38:50 PM
Don't expect it to match the comic in anything but name, or you are likely to be disappointed, going by all that has gone before.

I saw someone suggest he'd be a great MODOK, which is hard to deny...
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on January 12, 2017, 03:53:34 PM

I saw someone suggest he'd be a great MODOK, which is hard to deny...
YES!!! That would be great.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on January 12, 2017, 06:55:23 PM
The Watcher didn't really play any role in the Infinity ___ stories (e.g. Gauntlet, War, Crusade, etc.).  While I'm sure Peter Dinklage could play an amazing Watcher, I certainly hope that the MCU isn't going to stray that far from the source material.
That's true. If he's Pip then I got to wonder who's going to be Adam Warlock.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on January 12, 2017, 07:00:28 PM
Don't expect it to match the comic in anything but name, or you are likely to be disappointed, going by all that has gone before.

I saw someone suggest he'd be a great MODOK, which is hard to deny...

I don't expect it to match the comic (hence my "I certainly hope..." comment), because yeah, they've changed all sorts of things.  Some biggies ranging from who created Ultron, to pretty much everything about Civil War, to where just about every Infinity Gem thus far was, or who it was in the possession of.

But if they are going to introduce new characters anyway, I would hope that they at least did characters that had some bearing on the original, rather than random ones from elsewhere.  With Warlock likely (Gunn having said that the cocoon in GotG 1 was indeed his, and it being broken open after the explosion), it would make sense to have his 'side-kick' present.  And Pip played a "key role" in the Thanos/gauntlet war and the position they apparently approached Peter Dinklage for was for "a key role" in the films.  [In addition: Pip was based partly on Jack Kirby (the tribute inspiring both Pip's smaller stature and the cigars, as well as his tough attitude) - his appearing would be the closest we might ever get to a JK cameo to balance out those of Stan Lee.]

While he would be good as MODOK, I just don't see MODOK playing a key role in the films... Uatu, yes (if interfering as he did with the FF against Galactus in FF #49).  But if he does join the production, I'd rather PD had a more involved and active role, rather than 'Watching' from the sidelines.  Now if he played one of the larger, more cosmic characters (Infinity, etc.) that would be awesome as well.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on January 15, 2017, 06:13:08 PM
OK... this is actually off-topic for this thread (as the thread's mission statement is about film/TV content), but it is something I figured out that may be of interest to more than just me.

When anticipating Daredevil Season 1 on Blu-ray, people here said that other Netflix shows usually appeared for home video purchase roughly a year after release (or just before or just after the next season drops).  Well, Daredevil Season 1 on Blu-ray went well beyond Netflix's apparent norm for this.  It was 577 days from when Daredevil Season 1 appeared on Netflix, and when it appeared on Blu-ray.  For simplicities' sake I used that same number (presuming there's some contractual thing that says it has to be over 18 months) to calculate the likely time the other series will hit home video.  So here's roughly when we might expect the other Marvel/Netflix shows to appear on Blu-ray:

Daredevil  on Netflix: April 10, 2015   -   on Blu-ray: November 8, 2016
  Season 2       on Netflix: March 18, 2016   -   projected on Blu-ray: ~Oct 16, 2017

Jessica Jones  on Netflix: Nov 20, 2015   -   projected on Blu-ray: ~June 20, 2017

Luke Cage  on Netflix: Sept 30, 2016   -   projected on Blu-ray: ~Apr 30, 2018

Iron Fist  on Netflix: March 17, 2017   -   projected on Blu-ray: ~Oct 15, 2018

So: DON'T go marking your calendar for buying these!  ::)  [It does, however, bode well for the possibility of being able to add two more Blu-ray seasons to our collections at some point this year.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on January 30, 2017, 04:53:46 PM
http://www.avclub.com/article/freeforms-cloak-and-dagger-casts-its-cloak-and-dag-249382

Freeform’s Cloak And Dagger casts its Cloak and Dagger
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on January 30, 2017, 08:16:12 PM
http://www.avclub.com/article/freeforms-cloak-and-dagger-casts-its-cloak-and-dag-249382

Freeform’s Cloak And Dagger casts its Cloak and Dagger

A tad young looking (especially him), but given that it is being framed as a sort-of supernatural Dawson's Creek-ish 'teen love' thing, I guess that shouldn't be a surprise, so they'd have a few potential years of episodes before they looked way too old to pursue the roles any longer.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on January 30, 2017, 10:55:39 PM
http://www.avclub.com/article/freeforms-cloak-and-dagger-casts-its-cloak-and-dag-249382

Freeform’s Cloak And Dagger casts its Cloak and Dagger

A tad young looking (especially him), but given that it is being framed as a sort-of supernatural Dawson's Creek-ish 'teen love' thing, I guess that shouldn't be a surprise, so they'd have a few potential years of episodes before they looked way too old to pursue the roles any longer.

They were 17 and 16 when they debuted in the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on January 31, 2017, 01:40:02 AM
Firefox (with NoScript and other spyware prevention) wasn't showing his picture on that page, so I'd done a Google Image search which showed a very young teen.  When you responded, I did another search, and what showed up this time seems to make it clear that what I saw before was possibly a picture of Tyrone Johnson from maybe 3-4 years ago.  The one that I was able to get to turn up this time looks fine to me:
(http://img13.deviantart.net/be50/i/2015/108/0/9/marvel_movie_casting__cloak_and_dagger_by_myths_of_genesis-d8q71xt.jpg)

So: apologies for not being sure the previous pic I'd commented on was current, a bit distracted today.  [See 'Pets' thread for details.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 02, 2017, 06:07:44 PM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t31.0-8/16462908_1678360805513818_7933629727327444916_o.jpg?oh=527daef3d7a6ebdf982abafa2370ec74&oe=59101576)

'Marvel's Runaways' Is Cast  [Pic from Marvel Cinematic Universe Facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/MarvelCinematicUniverse/photos/a.255014641181782.86037.217181691631744/1678360805513818/?type=3&theater). (an unofficial page)]

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Meet the cast of Marvel's RUNAWAYS! (http://bit.ly/2k62IFv)

• Allegra Acosta (“100 Things to do Before High School,” “Just Add Magic”) as Molly Hernandez, the youngest and most innocent member of her friend group, is known for her peppy positivity and a deep yearning to belong.

• Gregg Sulkin (“Faking It,” “Don’t Hang Up,” “Anti Social”) as Chase Stein is a lacrosse-playing, high school heartthrob. While many write him off as a dumb jock, Chase exhibits flashes of untapped brilliance in engineering, not unlike his wildly successful father’s.

• Ariela Barer (“New Girl,” “One Day at a Time”) as Gert Yorkes is a purple-haired, bespectacled, contemporary riot grrrl. Never passing up a moment to stand on a soapbox, Gert sometimes wields her persona as a brash social justice warrior to mask her true feelings.

• Virginia Gardner (“Goat,” “Little Bitches”) as Karolina Dean, model-perfect exterior with a lot going on behind her professionally whitened smile, is burdened by the lofty expectations and responsibilities put upon her by her parents. Underneath her veneer of privilege and perfection, Karolina is experiencing a newfound eagerness to explore her identity and pursue her own desires.

• Lyrica Okano (“The Affair,” “Unforgettable”) Nico Minoru–tough, intelligent, and independent–embodies teenage angst. A budding “Wiccan,” Nico’s carefully crafted goth appearance isolates her from her peers and family, but maybe what she really needs is someone to talk to.

• Rhenzy Feliz (“Teen Wolf,” “Casual”) as Alex Wilder is a loud-and-proud nerd. Admittedly a bit of a loner, Alex spends much of his free-time playing video games, but deep down, what he wants most is to reunite his childhood group of friends.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 02, 2017, 06:51:41 PM
Yay! I'm so glad this is fiiiiinally happening.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 02, 2017, 07:05:13 PM
Yes.  And that it is happening with Marvel Studios care (vs. being done by outside parties like earlier Spider-Man films, the FF films, etc.). :)  They have demonstrated with just about everything they've produced that they know the qualities of their properties' that make them interesting and enjoyable.  And the casting - as usual - looks pretty much spot-on.

This Marvel year is turning out better and better! ;D
  TV:
Iron Fist
Defenders
Punisher
Inhumans
Runaways
Cloak and Dagger
Agents of SHIELD
  Film:
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 . . . . May 5, 2017
Spider-Man: Homecoming . . . . July 7, 2017
Thor: Ragnarok . . . . November 3, 2017
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 03, 2017, 04:43:53 PM
Even more good news:

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Hulu has Ordered 'Runaways' as a "Straight-to-Series" Show (http://mcuexchange.com/hulu-ordered-runaways-straight-series-show/)

...press release from Freeform... states “Marvel Studios and ABC Signature are also in pre-production on straight-to-series “Marvel’s Runaways” for Hulu.” This is new information. Even yesterday, major trades like Deadline were calling this a pilot order. For those new to Hollywood lingo, a pilot is an order of a single episode which a studio then uses to determine if they want to order a whole or half season. A show might get a pilot and be deemed unworthy of a pick up (see Most Wanted). “Straight-to-series,” however, means that the network has picked up an entire season of a show even before seeing the pilot. These sorts of orders typically include financial penalties if a show is not eventually produced. This means that Hulu is almost certainly taking a whole season. (One caveat, Damage Control was also reported as straught-to-series, but that show appears to have died.)

Given the recent buzz around Runaways this isn’t a total surprise. Still, for MCU fans it’s nice to know that a full arc is coming and the show won’t be pulled midway. Streaming services tend toward the season at a time thinking, but Hulu is a little different. Since Hulu is owned by major networks, they tend to work like major networks, including their propensity to release a show a week at a time. The good news for Runaways seems to just keep coming.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on February 03, 2017, 06:21:51 PM
I missed out on the Runaways. I picked up one for some crossover event a few years back and it seems to have that mix of melancholy and good writing that probably deserves all its accolades, but isn't my cup of tea comics-wise. I'll give the show a chance for sure, though.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 03, 2017, 07:41:17 PM
I missed out on the Runaways. I picked up one for some crossover event a few years back and it seems to have that mix of melancholy and good writing that probably deserves all its accolades, but isn't my cup of tea comics-wise. I'll give the show a chance for sure, though.

The original run was excellent - depending on what crossover you got, I doubt you was it at its best.

The Civil War crossover with Young Avengers was particularly average from memory.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 05, 2017, 12:49:26 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13000277_1152761244734429_958108615565922413_n.jpg?oh=d6bd17e67ca3d15b16ce589b213a0ece&oe=590D879F)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 07, 2017, 09:24:14 PM
 ;D

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16508538_1684858978197334_894098180391811291_n.png?oh=78bf53eb08324bc3101130cd2f076746&oe=5900C257)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on February 07, 2017, 11:45:39 PM
I thought it was kind of cool how Baron Mordo changed sides with that being his(At least for now) his sole motivation.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 20, 2017, 10:15:48 PM
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/namor_the_submariner/more-evidence-would-seem-to-confirm-that-marvel-has-a-namor-a149014

Rumors of a Namor project in active development.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on February 20, 2017, 10:25:01 PM
Namor's a tough sell. He's not the most charming Marvel hero..
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 20, 2017, 10:34:45 PM
Namor's a tough sell. He's not the most charming Marvel hero..

Ha! I was just saying over in that other thread:

I think it's more to do with the tone difference in the approach by both companies. Marvel have turned some really average and unlikely properties into massive successes. DC have choked on some pretty easy sells.

Every time they've announced a project that seems like a difficult sell, they've pulled it off.

I'm very curious to see what they do with him.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 20, 2017, 10:37:36 PM
There was a time where I was like 'Iron Man can't possibly make an entertaining movie.'

'OK, but Captain America is dated and lame.'

'OK, but get ready, Thor is going to sink this ship.'
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on February 20, 2017, 10:52:48 PM
Granted on all counts, and I'll be there on opening weekend and expect to leave with a smile on my face. No idea how they'll pull it off, though.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 20, 2017, 11:15:45 PM
Thinking about it, I'm kind of more interested in them trying these 'impossible' characters than a lot of the safe bets.

I wonder how long we'll have to wait till we get Man-Thing?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 20, 2017, 11:58:10 PM
Thinking about it, I'm kind of more interested in them trying these 'impossible' characters than a lot of the safe bets.

Very much agree with this.  Marvel's creations are such a rich collection of varying personalities, abilities, and limitations.  I'm much more excited to see them avoid the safe bets and go with the characters that few outside of we, who know that comic universe well, have even heard about.

In addition to that, the non-comic-fan public will tire of Marvel films MUCH less rapidly with them getting the unexpected and underexposed delivered to them.  Heck, until Holland made his appearance (nailing it), even most people who love the character were saying, "OK: enough with the Spider-Man films!"

And, personally, combining the above two: I'd rather that - since Sony still possesses the film rights to Spider-Man - that Marvel Studios would put out three of their 'own' properties each year.  In other words, in years with a Spider-Man film, there would be four Marvel film releases, instead of having just three (two 'pure' Marvel Studios plus one MS/Sony Spidey film currently; my thought would be three Marvel Studios regardless, and if MS/Sony put out a Spidey film in a given year it would be a bonus).  [Yes, I realize that regardless of it being 'officially' a Sony picture, Marvel Studios still does all the prep work for it, so it is in no way less effort for them to produce a Spider-Man picture with Sony than it is to produce an 'independent' film of their own.]

But back to that possibility, if it was the option of another Spider-Man film or something else, I'd actually prefer something else, regardless of Spidey being my lifetime fave Marvel character.  (Amazing Spider-Man 44 was the first comic I remember buying and deliberately keeping track of, ultimately starting me collecting [insanely happy I have a page of original art from that issue!].  I was also Spider-Man for Halloween when I was either 10 or 11 years old, back when mothers made Halloween costumes for such things from scratch because there weren't any official costumes, just one of those thin plastic masks was all there was premade.)

(For fave characters, Adam Warlock is a very easy second, beyond that it gets far messier. :)  I am still hopeful for a Warlock/Magus/Universal Church of Truth film.  Given that Feige recently said that the reason that the film titles for 2020 are not released is not because they don't know what they will be, but because releasing the titles could be considered spoilers for Infinity War.  No bigger spoiler than the presence of Adam Warlock, it seems to me. ;D)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on February 21, 2017, 06:59:05 AM
Actually, it'd be cool if Marvel committed to release one B-Lister a year. Maybe do them as February/March releases. Spend the rest of the year giving us the Hulks and Captain Marvels, but give us a Great Lakes Avengers or Howard the Duck (Lucas didn't ruin him forever! There's still a movie to be had there!) once a year.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 21, 2017, 04:00:20 PM
Actually, it'd be cool if Marvel committed to release one B-Lister a year. Maybe do them as February/March releases. Spend the rest of the year giving us the Hulks and Captain Marvels, but give us a Great Lakes Avengers or Howard the Duck (Lucas didn't ruin him forever! There's still a movie to be had there!) once a year.

To me, the simple solution to that is Netflix movies. Less risk and cost.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 21, 2017, 04:02:47 PM
ALSO I wonder if they would be ballsy enough to make one of their waves 2099?

It would be a fun way to have a reboot and not have a reboot at the same time. Flash forward for 5 or 7 films. Back to the regular timeline after that.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 21, 2017, 06:39:16 PM
ALSO I wonder if they would be ballsy enough to make one of their waves 2099?

It would be a fun way to have a reboot and not have a reboot at the same time. Flash forward for 5 or 7 films. Back to the regular timeline after that.
That would work if they want a clean slate of changing casting.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 22, 2017, 01:13:56 PM
 ;D

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16830758_1703777432972155_285943481876540266_n.jpg?oh=6d9fdd07a9a900860485045a47f8732f&oe=593DCC0F)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 22, 2017, 01:27:56 PM
I wonder if Dr. Strange ever accidentally summons a demon or something while waving his arms just trying to get the damn sensor controlled paper towel dispenser to work.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 22, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
I wonder if Dr. Strange ever accidentally summons a demon or something while waving his arms just trying to get the damn sensor controlled paper towel dispenser to work.

COL (chuckle out loud ;) )
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 28, 2017, 02:20:30 PM
‘Marvel’s Inhumans’ ABC series:

Anson Mount is Black Bolt (http://deadline.com/2017/02/marvels-inhumans-anson-mount-black-bolt-casting-abc-1202027526/)
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16999034_1711410855542146_3639515190792362838_n.jpg?oh=d5a9369b570f5751d8bc029edfcf19ec&oe=59288CCA)

Serinda Swan is Medusa (https://news.marvel.com/tv/60593/serinda-swan-cast-marvels-inhumans-series-abc/?linkId=35018593):
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17098268_1712771512072747_8817417582114437090_n.jpg?oh=6af934411fc66957b58f9431af499152&oe=596F1492)

Iwan Rheon is Maximus the Mad (http://mcuexchange.com/marvels-inhumans-casts-game-thrones-star-iwan-rheon-maximus-mad/):
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16797904_1702760996407132_8537835527360856998_o.jpg?oh=50c0406d69f1b71e25f332a4f8f7569b&oe=5937E92A)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 02, 2017, 12:43:10 PM
Building on the expansion of the previous post yesterday, here's some more Inhumans casting news.  Now with extended royal family.:

Marvel’s Inhumans casts Ken Leung as Karnak (http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/02/marvels-inhumans-ken-leung-karnak/)
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16999123_1713833895299842_2290853130091853549_n.jpg?oh=2243f995d861940e795c306ccc0b999c&oe=5931DD4F)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 03, 2017, 07:51:41 PM
And the Inhumans' cast fills out the rest of the way (see previous two posts).  Ewe Ikwuakor, Isabelle Cornish, Mike Moh and Sonya Balmores are playing Gorgon, Crystal, Triton and Auran respectively.

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16939240_1715212695161962_5330982859660186059_n.jpg?oh=8577603342131c861a05fba1f5e4cd76&oe=593C7BDA)

Oh, and apparently they've confirmed Lockjaw as being present (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/marvels-inhumans-full-cast-983021), though no-one's been stated to be playing him yet. ;)


Oh, and it began filming today (http://heroichollywood.com/marvels-inhumans-begins-filming-today/). :)

I am so incredibly looking forward to this series.  Possibly as much or more than The Defenders, and possibly above everything else releasing this year.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 05, 2017, 08:49:32 PM
Lockjaw's stand-in on set:
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16997706_1718142034869028_99973309212043127_n.png?oh=5b73e3e7f1b577997f35f6fb1eeb88a0&oe=5927DD4C)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on March 06, 2017, 07:17:46 AM
Or it's just how Lockjaw looks now.  Like, maybe he joined Blue Man Group and just got back from a funeral.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 08, 2017, 05:15:41 PM
Uh oh. Overwhelmingly negative reviews for the first six eps of Iron Fist.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 08, 2017, 06:45:54 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17156105_10154972279713700_1209265529466496033_n.jpg?oh=c973c59c26d86bfeea24fddfa82070fe&oe=5935165A)

Shouldn't this be an ad for "TH'ORÉAL"?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 08, 2017, 06:59:05 PM
Uh oh. Overwhelmingly negative reviews for the first six eps of Iron Fist.

Coming from TV/Film critics, or comics 'experts'? 

Sadly, from pretty much everyone:

http://www.slashfilm.com/iron-fist-reviews/
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 17, 2017, 06:02:49 PM
Well, I've now seen the first six episodes of Iron Fist, the same group that the pre-release critics saw, and I'm enjoying it.  Not as much as the other three Netflix series (...'yet', I'll hold that final assessment until I'm done with all 13 eps, probably tonight), but so far I'm enjoying it more than I've enjoyed Agents of SHIELD.

It was interesting to see (even if in a throw-away line) the first reference to another Marvel/Netflix character by name.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 17, 2017, 06:25:08 PM
I'm only two eps in and I'm not hating it, but I'm certainly not loving it.

David Wenham is powerfully miscast, in my opinion (maybe my opinion will change as the series goes on).

Every time I start to get into it, there is a scene that is like it is written by an alien. The ipod/iphone conversation in the park was bananas.

I hope it gets up on its feet, and I will be watching it through to the end, but it's the worst Netflix Marvel show by a long shot right now.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on March 17, 2017, 06:53:02 PM
I agree. My wife and I are 4 episodes in and really enjoying it so far. It's fun.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 17, 2017, 07:09:33 PM
I'm only two eps in and I'm not hating it, but I'm certainly not loving it.

David Wenham is powerfully miscast, in my opinion (maybe my opinion will change as the series goes on).

Every time I start to get into it, there is a scene that is like it is written by an alien. The ipod/iphone conversation in the park was bananas.

I hope it gets up on its feet, and I will be watching it through to the end, but it's the worst Netflix Marvel show by a long shot right now.

No major spoilers in here I don't think.  I kept most comments as general as possible (partly because I just didn't feel like messing with making and labeling spoiler areas).  Anyone knowing a bit about the character shouldn't have any new reveals in here.

I will say that I was quite iffy on it from the first two episodes as well.  For me the biggest discomfort in watching those was because, having worked for years in psychiatric hospitals, what was shown was all-too-accurate for some.  [i.e. assumed psychiatric illness before even seeing a patient.]

Not sure what you mean with the iPod/iPhone as one of the "written by aliens" statement.  These are two people, one of whom has no real clue what's happened (smart phone tech), and the other who was likely impressed by someone having a 1st-gen iPod (or maybe just 'one that still worked' ;) ).  Both - to the 'civilized' world - ARE 'aliens'...  or is that not what you were referring to?  [Possibly referring to phrasing of the statements in the conversations?]

The show has changed tone a few times now.  Each time exploring a different aspect of the character, and how his Western-world-alien self reacts to the very different milieux that he's placed into, with aspects of his traumatized 10-year-old lost-self coming through in each.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2017, 08:56:50 PM
http://www.avclub.com/article/sony-developing-spider-man-spin-about-black-cat-an-252566
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2017, 08:57:45 PM
Starting with episode 7, I am enjoying the series a lot more. Only three more eps for me to go.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: BathTub on March 22, 2017, 09:25:53 PM
Maybe I'll queue it up after I finish Six Feet Under (just started season 4).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on April 05, 2017, 03:54:17 PM
Cloak and Dagger is getting 10 episodes, and so is the oft-rumored New Warriors show featuring Squirrel Girl!!

http://www.avclub.com/article/squirrel-girls-coming-tv-freeforms-new-warriors-se-253237
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 05, 2017, 04:30:20 PM
Cloak and Dagger is getting 10 episodes, and so is the oft-rumored New Warriors show featuring Squirrel Girl!!

http://www.avclub.com/article/squirrel-girls-coming-tv-freeforms-new-warriors-se-253237

I have a friend who is so mad every time a new MCU project is announced that isn't Moon Knight. Looking forward to sharing this with him.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 05, 2017, 05:55:12 PM
Cloak and Dagger is getting 10 episodes, and so is the oft-rumored New Warriors show featuring Squirrel Girl!!

http://www.avclub.com/article/squirrel-girls-coming-tv-freeforms-new-warriors-se-253237

I have a friend who is so mad every time a new MCU project is announced that isn't Moon Knight. Looking forward to sharing this with him.

A little sadistic streak there, eh, EJG III?  ;)

Though you can also reassure him that, with the apparent success of the non-MCU 'Legion' (got a 2nd season before the first eight episode one finished), the possibility of a true split-personality character may have just increased.  FOX/FX tried the difficult task of broaching more difficult storytelling methods (seriously: making an originally Sienkiewicz-drawn series into a live-action series would be 'difficult' at best).  With that, the chances of others (like MCU) taking the chance of bringing out less mainstream content likely increased a bit.  [Granted FOX had the chance and didn't get into Deadpool's less stable personality in his first film, but there was only so much they could introduce in under two hours... possibly the next one.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 05, 2017, 05:59:44 PM
I feel like it's just a matter of time with most of their characters at this point.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on April 05, 2017, 06:46:00 PM
[Granted FOX had the chance and didn't get into Deadpool's less stable personality in his first film, but there was only so much they could introduce in under two hours... possibly the next one.]

Well if you want to get technical, Deadpool doesn't have multiple personalities so much as he has various voices in his head. And those voices both ended up actually being different people.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 08, 2017, 10:07:13 AM
The Defenders has a release date: August 18.

Quote
The Defenders Announces Premiere Date in First Teaser (http://www.tvguide.com/news/the-defenders-premiere-date-teaser/)

In the brief teaser released on YouTube, Matt Murdock (Charlie Cox), Jessica Jones (Krysten Ritter), Luke Cage (Mike Colter) and Danny Rand (Finn Jones) are riding an elevator in Midland Circle Financial, the mysterious corporation that was behind the literal plot hole in Daredevil's second season. After a few awkward moments riding in silence, Jessica Jones smashes the security camera at the 08:18:20:17 mark.

If that wasn't proof enough for you of The Defenders' premiere date (which we totally get if it wasn't), if you type in the numbers in the teaser's upper left-hand corner into your browser it will redirect you to the website for The New York Bulletin, the newspaper where Daredevil's Karen Page (Deborah Ann Woll) works. At the bottom of the page, there's a note to watch The Defenders beginning Aug. 18.

The numbers in the upper corner of the vid are:  23.253.120.81  and lead to: http://nybulletin.com/  where, in small grey letters at the bottom of the page, it says, "Watch “Marvel’s The Defenders” All Episodes Streaming Only on Netflix August 18 | © 2017 MARVEL & ABC Studios"
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 08, 2017, 12:21:46 PM
Why are they doing viral marketing for the combination of four huge TV shows?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 08, 2017, 01:08:34 PM
Why are they doing viral marketing for the combination of four huge TV shows?

Yeah, it makes no sense.  Unless they just think it is 'fun' and helps add to the feeling of being a 'participant' in the MCU instead of just a 'viewer'.  [Sort of like Stan Lee's Soapbox helped people reading the '60s comics feel like they were part of the in crowd.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 08, 2017, 04:33:55 PM
Bexayse the most recent one was a bit of a flop and they want to excite people?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on April 20, 2017, 08:06:38 AM
The New Warriors roster is in!
http://www.avclub.com/article/freeform-shows-all-heroes-its-new-warriors-show-254001

We've got Squirrel Girl, Mr. Immortal, Night Thrasher, Speedball, Microbe and Debrii. This should be a fun show.


Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on April 20, 2017, 10:10:33 AM
Now that I know it's sort of a mash-up between the New Warriors and the Great Lake Avengers, I'm into this.  I'm hoping the tone will be like a more upbeat Venture Brothers.  Is Ben Edlund still on Supernatural, because I would kill to have him make the switch to this show.

Oh, and the Cloak and Dagger preview is out.  Looks different than I expected, but it is making me quite interested.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 22, 2017, 11:04:05 AM
Happy news (at least I think it is, given some of the Feige comments, not positive yet)!  Contains reference to future character in the MCU that hasn't been shown yet, and has not yet been saturating the media on the MCU.  If you aren't wanting a spoiler (til it is shoved in your face by an advertising blitz), then don't open the spoiler.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 22, 2017, 12:15:42 PM
There really are going to be 5 after credit scenes in Guardians of the Galaxy 2?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 22, 2017, 12:25:29 PM
There really are going to be 5 after credit scenes in Guardians of the Galaxy 2?

Yeah, that's what both Gunn and Feige have said.  Apparently a lot of mini set-ups for the future films.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 22, 2017, 02:50:53 PM
I'm still hoping that Death as a character is established in one of the MCU movies prior to Infinity War.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 22, 2017, 05:22:25 PM
There really are going to be 5 after credit scenes in Guardians of the Galaxy 2?

Yeah, that's what both Gunn and Feige have said.  Apparently a lot of mini set-ups for the future films.

I hope the next GotG movie just rolls the credits after the first scene and the movie is post credits.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 25, 2017, 01:22:24 AM
Really enjoyed Guardians vol 2.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: BathTub on April 25, 2017, 02:14:29 AM
Might try to sneak away from work on friday.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on April 25, 2017, 07:45:26 AM
Lucky other countries. We still have to wait until a week from Friday.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: BathTub on April 25, 2017, 01:18:09 PM
it's weird how most stuff we have to wait, but for marvel we often get it early.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 25, 2017, 03:23:31 PM
I'm still hoping that Death as a character is established in one of the MCU movies prior to Infinity War.
I heard from a friend of mine (who runs a comic book and collectables shop, so he gets some information early) that Hela will be Thanos' love interest instead of Death. I'm fine with that, since she is the Goddess of Death in Norse mythology. And that means she will be established as a character before Infinity War, so we don't have to spend time in that already surely crowded movie establishing her.
It does make me wonder if Thanos will have an appearance in Thor Ragnarok like he did in Guardians of the Galaxy. I hope so. It's been 9 years and most of what we know about Thanos is just from that little bit in Guardians.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on May 06, 2017, 07:58:09 PM
Full Inhumans royal family cast in costume.  I believe the Medusa hair is a 'stand-in' and that it will, in the series, be entirely computer generated (and something closer to a real red color, as in the books).  At least, I certainly hope so!

(https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/000254980hr.jpg?w=2700&resize=750%2C500)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Blasé on May 06, 2017, 08:33:14 PM
Full Inhumans royal family cast in costume.  I believe the Medusa hair is a 'stand-in' and that it will, in the series, be entirely computer generated (and something closer to a real red color, as in the books).  At least, I certainly hope so!

(https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/000254980hr.jpg?w=2700&resize=750%2C500)

Where's the dog?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on May 07, 2017, 02:48:13 AM
Full Inhumans royal family cast in costume.  I believe the Medusa hair is a 'stand-in' and that it will, in the series, be entirely computer generated (and something closer to a real red color, as in the books).  At least, I certainly hope so!

(https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/000254980hr.jpg?w=2700&resize=750%2C500)

Where's the dog?

Lockjaw is in post.  (Previous pics above or on previous pages show the blue stand-in which was happily pretty accurate for both size and detail.)  I'm guessing they don't have the full CGI details for him down yet... either that, or they want that particular reveal for themselves, rather than via Entertainment Mag.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on May 14, 2017, 01:06:10 PM
A great article, lenghty, includes factual assessments of everything from the Shi'ar to Kang to Ego (who is actually shared between the MCU and Fox) to the Skrulls to the Badoon and more:

The Facts About The Live-Action Rights Of Marvel Characters (http://mcuexchange.com/the-facts-about-the-live-action-rights-of-marvel-characters/)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on June 07, 2017, 07:00:00 PM
'Daredevil' Season 3, 'Luke Cage' & 'Jessica Jones' Season 2 All Seemingly Confirmed For 2018 (https://mcuexchange.com/daredevil-season-3-date/)

Certainly would be nice if there were a guaranteed three-seasons of MCU/Netflix shows each year, just as there are three MCU films each year.  Then all the gravy on top of that, gravy such as The Inhumans (though 2017, it is still a bonus over Marvel SOP), Cloak and Dagger, The Runaways, etc.

Yes, it is a very good time to be a Marvel fan. ;D
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on June 15, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
A thought came to me: since the MCU is apparently substituting Hela for Death (for Thanos's love interest), I wonder if they may also substitute the Red Skull for Mephisto's role in the Infinity Gauntlet saga (at least as someone for Thanos to talk to and give exposition to)?  [I have heard nothing of anyone approaching Weaving for a return to the role recently.  But they re-cast Rhodey, so that doesn't necessarily mean the Red Skull won't return.]

Though, with the film potentially only 2-2 1/2 hours long, Thanos's exposition may have to be limited to direct contact with other major characters (or to himself or Hela), so a distorted cognitive mirror like Mephisto served in the original may not be possible simply for time reasons (i.e. they may not be able to afford 'inactive' time with exposition to more peripheral characters).

It was just a thought since the Red Skull was transported 'out there' and could easily (well, in the MCU's 'easy' ;)) have ended up with Thanos.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on July 10, 2017, 03:57:42 PM
Squirrel Girl has been cast! (Also Mister Immortal!)

http://www.avclub.com/article/stop-presses-weve-got-squirrel-girl-casting-news-257901
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on July 10, 2017, 04:59:24 PM
Squirrel Girl has been cast! (Also Mister Immortal!)

http://www.avclub.com/article/stop-presses-weve-got-squirrel-girl-casting-news-257901

Nice! I love whenever Milana Vayntrub is on @midnight!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 15, 2017, 07:33:24 PM
Images from the D23 Expo.  Infinity War cast photos (only two of them).  The pics are huge, but I've set them to just fill the column width here (right click & select 'View Image' to see full size).

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Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 16, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
Here are some more things from D23.  These, some might consider spoilers for Infinity War.  [The second one I did, but by the time I realized it would be I couldn't un-see it, as it was initially in an online video and they gave no spoiler warning.]

The first, a prop [crap, noticed a character to the right in this pic, also]:
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The second, a character or characters that had not previously been announced as participating (hopefully that is vague enough):
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Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: BathTub on July 16, 2017, 04:47:44 PM
A prop for a CGI character.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 16, 2017, 05:34:08 PM
A prop for a CGI character.

 :)  Yeah.  I suspect there will be some scenes in which real actors will interact directly with it (or be in the same frame as it is) where a physical item would be needed.  Unless they just made it for the actors to have a size comparison, "this is what you're gaping at,"-type thing (a la the big blue Lockjaw stand-in).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: BathTub on July 23, 2017, 04:42:40 PM
(https://i.redd.it/onaf60dzbfbz.jpg)

Oh that was big, what's the trick to make it scale?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 23, 2017, 05:54:21 PM
BathTub, Inside the opening "img" code, change it to "img width=___" with the "___" the number of pixels wide you want it.  I just go with 600 usually (like below).  Or you can change it to "img height=___" if it is taller than wide, like posters (that are roughly 2x3).  For those, I find that going with "height=600" generally makes it so it comfortably fits on one screen, vertically, though not filling the width of the columns here.

(https://i.redd.it/onaf60dzbfbz.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on July 23, 2017, 05:56:38 PM
(https://i.redd.it/onaf60dzbfbz.jpg)


Is Thanos wearing slacks?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 23, 2017, 06:16:43 PM
Here is another poster of interest (I put the Ragnarok one HERE (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=29736.msg976813#msg976813), since people had been discussing that release there).

I think, second to Doctor Strange, the below is the film I've been looking forward to the most (certainly of any of the tentpole series . . .  and given Adam Warlock won't be in Infinity War [basically like filming The Killing Joke without Batman], possibly anticipating this more than that film, as well.  Though since Adam W is supposed to be in Avengers 4 against Thanos, that's still got my interest quite high):
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20292642_322206388206980_4109287751641798740_n.jpg?oh=7069aa922150984e16e488a15be17f0d&oe=59F9EF91)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on July 24, 2017, 10:46:56 AM
(https://i.redd.it/onaf60dzbfbz.jpg)

how much payroll is contained in this image? almost a billion dollars?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 26, 2017, 01:40:41 AM
Cast photo, combining both the cast of Thor: Ragnarok and Black Panther.
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20286853_323906014703684_5422683524750525978_o.jpg?oh=94cfec808df3cc9556ed108f3915267e&oe=5A04E83D)
NOTE: picture is huge, use right-click 'View Image'.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 10, 2017, 03:40:27 PM
Just saw this.  The article is lengthy, so the majority of the body of it is in a spoiler.

Quote
Disney Ends Netflix Deal: How It Could Impact the MCU
 (https://mcuexchange.com/disney-netflix-mcu/)
In an unexpected turn of events, it was revealed yesterday that Disney would be ending their Netflix contract as part of the company’s plan to create their own streaming service for 2019. The announcement raised a lot of concerns from fans because of its potential effects to the MCU, particularly the Netflix shows. This is a topic that can be confusing to those who don’t carefully watch this part of the entertainment business, so we are going to break it down for our readers as simply as we know how.

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Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 13, 2017, 06:29:30 PM
I just was listening to one of the tunes from Guardians of the Galaxy, and thought of something... there are only two people in the MCU that have been shown to be highly aware of and involved with music appreciation.

So I would just love it if, in some 'down time' during either Avengers: Infinity War or Avengers 4: Untitled, there were a scene of Peter Quill and Tony Stark having an active conversation about the relative merits of assorted styles of music.  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on August 13, 2017, 06:34:22 PM
You haven't seen Dr Strange yet then?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 13, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
You haven't seen Dr Strange yet then?

I've seen it (actually over 10 times).  But Strange didn't seem to be as obsessed with music.  While he seemed to like it well enough as evidenced by tapping his foot in the OR, his having the music in the OR was almost more of a Trivial Pursuit thing.  He never paid attention to it beyond that point.  I cannot recall him ever being shown to be listening to music at all after his accident.  (e.g. If he was really an equivalent-intensity music fan as Quill and Stark, he would not have had his assistant do the random search in the middle of the Earth, Wind and Fire tune.  And if he was really a music fan where it was an integral part of his life, while he was in Kamar-Taj, during the break where he was trying to get himself to write to Christine, he would have already had music playing on the laptop as he thought about what he was going to say.  For comparison: I have iTunes on before I even open my browser or e-mail program.  Turning on music is the first thing I do after booting up my computer.)

Strange certainly never had specific music chosen when going 'into battle' like Stark (e.g. commandeering the sound system of a quinjet to play his tunes when first attacking Loki in The Avengers, but to Stark music was clearly a big deal to him in general [cranking it while working on various suit upgrades across his films, for instance]), or Quill (e.g. just about any time he is on-screen doing something ;), with the easiest examples 'Cherry Bomb' prepping for battle, things like 'O-O-H Child' for the dance off with Ronin, and playing and sharing it to express his feelings toward Gamora (well, in the first film, lust at least... the second...[spoilers avoided]), but also just a number of times in the course of just 'events' on the ship [again, in Vol.2, near the end was a powerful/meaningful one]).

So, while I think Strange would be good if either Stark or Quill wanted to know who played bass on a particular tune, the ones who appear to have strong opinions and life-enhancing relationships with it, are just Stark and Quill.


EDIT: added the stuff in the parentheses at the end of the first paragraph.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 18, 2017, 07:22:23 PM
Note: trying to write as much of this post as possible without spoilers.
Have now seen the entire Defenders series.  And it is easily my favorite Marvel/Netflix series.

With this, I realized there is something that has been sorely missed in the solo M/N series: anything funny (if there was 'funny' in prior series, it was easily forgotten for me).  Also this felt far more like a 'culmination of what went before' than 'The Avengers' did for its assorted series.  What happened before actually had impact in this, and merged the previous series into a whole that was bigger than its parts.  [Of course, that may not be the case by the time Avengers 4 is done, which will be the true culmination of those series.]

Don't get me wrong, I love 'The Avengers' film.  But this has it beat, hands down, for maintaining and increasing characterization depth for each of the parties involved (including adding depth to a number of the secondary characters).  With 'The Avengers', if you didn't already know the characters from their prior films, you'd have one hell of a time grasping who they were - it added to their characters, but the characterization in the film was so light, it would be difficult to get who they were enough to really care what they did from just that film.  I think with 'The Defenders', you could.  I do realize there's about three films-length of story in 'The Defenders', so not a wholly equivalent comparison.  But what I am referring to is the density of characterization between the two: 'The Defenders' beats 'The Avengers' with one iron fist tied behind its back.

A few high points (no major plot spoilers, but spoilers, nevertheless):
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I think I'll turn around and start watching it again tonight.


EDIT:
MAJOR SPOILER inside (related to ep. 8 conclusion):
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Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 02, 2017, 03:34:07 AM
Well, I watched the first two episodes of The Inhumans - the 'movie' that people were massively ripped off for if they paid to see it in an IMAX theater (there's not even special effects visual grandeur to make up for the rest of it).

My core review:
     The Inhumans episodes one and two have all the emotional impact of a Wikipedia entry on the Inhumans.

NONE of the actors pulled off the intensity of those they were supposed to be representing (Karnak came closest, second to that would be Lockjaw - but even he was 'iffy').  None of the events were severe enough to give a shit about, because we didn't know the characters well enough to care what happened to them.  And, for this, instead of 'Maximus the Mad' they could have called him 'Maxius the ever-so-slightly neurotic'.

Other points (some spoilery, for those not having seen the first two episodes yet):
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Produced for TV by the same person as brought us Iron Fist.  And, in comparison, Iron Fist is fucking Shakespeare.  At least in Iron Fist you had a pretty clear idea who the main characters were by the end of the second episode.  In The Inhumans, they are virtually interchangeable except for their powers - those powers that were even demonstrated in more than passing fashion.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on October 02, 2017, 03:36:39 AM
Just saw this.  The article is lengthy, so the majority of the body of it is in a spoiler.

Quote
Disney Ends Netflix Deal: How It Could Impact the MCU
 (https://mcuexchange.com/disney-netflix-mcu/)
In an unexpected turn of events, it was revealed yesterday that Disney would be ending their Netflix contract as part of the company’s plan to create their own streaming service for 2019. The announcement raised a lot of concerns from fans because of its potential effects to the MCU, particularly the Netflix shows. This is a topic that can be confusing to those who don’t carefully watch this part of the entertainment business, so we are going to break it down for our readers as simply as we know how.

God damnit.  ANOTHER streaming service?  KNOCK IT OFF, HOLLYWOOD.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on October 02, 2017, 03:38:42 AM
Well, I watched the first two episodes of The Inhumans - the 'movie' that people were massively ripped off for if they paid to see it in an IMAX theater (there's not even special effects visual grandeur to make up for the rest of it).

I saw some wretched movie in late 2012 about a bunch of 20 somethings who go to Moscow for some vacation, and a bunch of invisible aliens attack.  The movie was only available in 3D (with the marked up price), but made virtually no use of it.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 14, 2017, 08:19:19 PM
I can't believe how many viewings of Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2 it took me to realize something.  When the ship is leaving the Sovereign, and "Lake Shore Drive" is playing, infant Groot is lying on the glass looking out at the spectacle.

He's meant to remind one of the 1980s-era suction-cup Garfield dolls people stuck to their car windows! ;D  Sheesh!  Took me long enough. :)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on October 14, 2017, 08:22:52 PM
I'll have to watch out for that the next time I watch GOTG 2 again. :)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 16, 2017, 08:03:30 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22448311_10155313289119864_4005605055667973150_n.jpg?oh=14aabcc4f19da263902a04ef9f7b7d04&oe=5A7A0C81)
Every new thing I see about this (though being a spoiler-phobe, I won't watch the trailer that is out) makes me more and more excited to see it.  Even this friggin' poster has such an incredible aesthetic!  The 'futuristic Africanized art deco' is awesome. :)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 16, 2017, 08:18:12 PM
Yes!

Just a couple of weeks till Thor 3, which I am also super excited about.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 18, 2017, 03:03:06 AM
I really enjoyed the comments some people added online in response to the Black Panther poster:
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22448311_10155313289119864_4005605055667973150_n.jpg?oh=14aabcc4f19da263902a04ef9f7b7d04&oe=5A7A0C81)

These comments:
(http://78.media.tumblr.com/188860a66b0e148fa244448404c9fc58/tumblr_oy00xxWUQI1qewacoo1_500.png)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on October 18, 2017, 05:25:56 AM
I'm really looking forward to this but I got to admit I'm stoked as hell for Infinity War!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on October 18, 2017, 10:20:20 AM
Yeah, I'm more excited for Infinity War, because I want to see the culmination of this journey and how they're going to do it all.
Black Panther looks really good, just like most of the rest of the Marvel movies are.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on October 18, 2017, 11:14:55 AM
I hope that after they're done all this, they release all the movies in one bigass box set.  How many is it by now?  I lost count years ago.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on October 18, 2017, 01:25:50 PM
I hope that after they're done all this, they release all the movies in one bigass box set.  How many is it by now?  I lost count years ago.
16 so far. The problem with a box set is that not only would it be prohibitively expensive, but the only way this series is going to end is if there are several disasters in a row.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 10, 2017, 05:28:06 PM
Well, last night I was about to look at the TV Guide to see about tonight's Inhumans episode, and my thought was, "please, god, let it be the last one!"

I wonder if that was the reception for this series that they were going for?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 10, 2017, 05:57:02 PM
Well, last night I was about to look at the TV Guide to see about tonight's Inhumans episode, and my thought was, "please, god, let it be the last one!"

I wonder if that was the reception for this series that they were going for?

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch past the first ep yet...
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on November 10, 2017, 07:51:33 PM
I have a hard time getting into the TV stuff. I haven't even watched the Defenders yet. I'm a lot more interested in the movies.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: BathTub on November 10, 2017, 08:02:54 PM
Yeah the whole 'iron fist is bollocks' reaction has stopped me from watching it or Defenders yet.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 10, 2017, 08:05:16 PM
I have a hard time getting into the TV stuff. I haven't even watched the Defenders yet. I'm a lot more interested in the movies.

Iron Fist was not good, but much easier to watch than Inhumans. I really liked most of the defenders though
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 10, 2017, 10:27:39 PM
I have a hard time getting into the TV stuff. I haven't even watched the Defenders yet. I'm a lot more interested in the movies.

Iron Fist was not good, but much easier to watch than Inhumans. I really liked most of the defenders though

I watched Iron Fist after watching The Defenders, so I was able to overlook the bad parts a bit easier.

The Defenders is a bit slow to start, but once they all meet up I loved it, I think I've rewatched from that point until the end 3 times now.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 18, 2017, 08:27:42 AM
Binge watched a lot of The Punisher last night.

So they decided not to start with an origin story, letting his origin come out as the show goes along for those that don't know it.

While that was refreshing the first several episodes are just not good, I almost stopped watching after the first 2. 

But I think it improves greatly as it goes, the characters and plot get more and more interesting.

Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on November 19, 2017, 05:18:35 AM
I've enjoyed the first two episodes so far. It does get a little slow at times though
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 19, 2017, 11:46:23 AM
I finished watching The Punisher last night.  I agree with both MartyS and k1, the first two episodes were really slow and uninvolving.  I thought it was just my general dislike for the character until the third and fourth episodes (or so) pulled me in.

My overall feeling about it is that I am unlikely to watch it a second time, like Inhumans, but for VERY different reasons.  The contrast between the two is extreme, and the reason I am unlikely to rewatch The Punisher is because it was well structured, well written, well directed, and well acted.  But it was BRUTAL to watch.  Yes, the violence had consequences, but it was depicted far too accurately*, and there was just far too much of it for my tolerance level.  Not to mention the unceasing emotional loss and agony and depression/futility.  I'm glad I saw it, as it was quite good, but I just won't be watching it again.


*"accurately" with exception to anyone fixing a piercing wound (e.g. digging out a bullet).  The skin is highly elastic, and with the speed and impact of a bullet (or any other fast-moving object) the skin stretches inward as the bullet penetrates, then springs back to being almost closed immediately after.  Gunshots don't have larger-than-bullet entrance holes where you can dig out the bullet and have a larger-than-bullet hole left in the skin and muscle (unless you are really bad at digging them out).  It is possible with hollow points that is different, I don't know about that, but if that was what was used, I don't believe the bullets wouldn't be intact when removed.  Any here with more firearm-injury knowledge that can answer that?  And, yes, exit wounds are a different thing entirely, but I'm talking about every film and TV show - including this one - that has entry wounds as large or larger than the caliber of the bullet being pulled out.  That pulls me out of such stories every time.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 19, 2017, 04:31:07 PM
I'm glad I saw it, as it was quite good, but I just won't be watching it again.

I'm with you on that, I probably won't be watching it again, just a bit too draining emotionally.

I guess the next one up is season 2 of Jessica Jones?  Or will it be season 3 of Daredevil?  I read that Jessica Jones is done or close to done, haven't seen any news about Daredevil.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 19, 2017, 04:45:00 PM
Jones is next. I think Daredevil just started filming.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 19, 2017, 06:29:36 PM
Jones is next. I think Daredevil just started filming.

Yes.  Jones is next, probably airing in March.  Then Luke Cage season 2, likely August. (Some resource gave Oct 1 of next year, but I believe that is more likely to be Daredevil's release, so have removed that from my crossovers/release post (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019).  That seems WAY late in the year, given it finished filming in early Nov I think it was.)  And EJG III is right, Daredevil season 3 just started filming this week (https://mcuexchange.com/daredevil-season-3-begins-filming-week/), so will be late in the year (probably the early Oct time The Punisher was originally going to get if not for the Las Vegas shooting, and the resource I believe mistakenly attributed to Luke Cage season 2's release).

It is odd that all the filming is done in a crunch from Sept (JJ) to Dec (DD), yet they'll be spread out through 2018 for consumption.

I try to keep my crossovers/release post (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019) updated with actual dates as soon as I read new release date information.  But I do try to at the very least keep things not released yet in order relative to one-another if there is no known release date yet.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 19, 2017, 06:48:05 PM
Well, I wonder what their actual contract with Disney says, now that they plan to take it all back from Netflix.

I wonder if Disney will be keeping up these series after they launch their own service...
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 19, 2017, 07:02:13 PM
I certainly hope that the Marvel/Netflix contracts didn't say that the series would always be a joint venture.  I suspect that Marvel, with the previous Spider-man stresses, and the continuing X-Men and FF stresses, would be too smart to permanently tie characters to providers.  So I would hope they can take their toys and go when the contracts run out.


I just updated the Spider-Man: Homecoming entry in my crossovers/release post (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019), and it was substantial enough I felt it might warrant sharing as a new post, since I suspect people don't routinely re-visit the crossover/release post.  Here's what I added:

Spider-Man: Homecoming . . . . July 7, 2017
     There are indications in the film, and vague and obfuscating comments by Feige (sadly can no longer find those to link to), that this film is actually not taking place 'in sequence', and is not meant to be taking place in 2017 (which means Civil War also did not take place when it was released, as Homecoming is just two months later than the events of Civil War).  This also fits with the fact that the second MCU Spider-Man film will not be released until July of 2019, yet is about the school year directly following Peter's 'Homecoming' school year.  [I gotta' say: I always loved the double meaning of that title!  Both referring to the homecoming dance, but also that Spider-Man was FINALLY coming back to Marvel control.]
     Marvel apparently has a huge scroll for film continuity (https://mcuexchange.com/spider-man-homecoming-mcu-timeline/), but since they aren't sharing that (given that it includes where the MCU is going, and things from its past they don't necessarily want to reveal yet), there's no official word on what is going on and how it all fits together.  I do believe that Feige said that it would all make sense (after Avengers 3+4 I think it was), so I guess we just have to wait.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 21, 2017, 04:00:21 PM
First look at character 'Old Lace' (the dino) from the Runaways Hulu TV series:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Oh, and she is being done practically for the most part (in contrast to the Inhumans, where Lockjaw was all digital and sucked up all the cash that should have been used for decent scripts and making Attilan look regal).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 21, 2017, 04:48:59 PM
We watched the first two eps last night. Quite promising
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on November 22, 2017, 05:29:21 AM
I'm not interested in any TV rendition, but a few days ago, after seeing Thor: Ragnarok, I made up an Amazon shopping list of all the movies.

Did I put the wrong thing on my list or was Bruce Banner played by a different actor in the original movie?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on November 22, 2017, 07:49:51 AM
If you got Ed Norton and not Eric Bana, you're fine. The story was Norton didn't play well with others, so they booted him when Avengers came to be.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on November 22, 2017, 09:08:23 AM
If you got Ed Norton and not Eric Bana, you're fine. The story was Norton didn't play well with others, so they booted him when Avengers came to be.

Any in universe explanation on the sudden change of appearance in Darrin Bruce Banner?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on November 22, 2017, 09:29:49 AM
Nope. He's just Mark Ruffalo all of the sudden. Really, they keep it very ambiguous that anything in The Incredible Hulk ever happened at all. Other than the footage of the movie that shows in Iron Man 2, none of the characters or situations from Incredible Hulk are ever mentioned again.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: anais.butterfly on November 22, 2017, 12:02:41 PM
Nope. He's just Mark Ruffalo all of the sudden. Really, they keep it very ambiguous that anything in The Incredible Hulk ever happened at all. Other than the footage of the movie that shows in Iron Man 2, none of the characters or situations from Incredible Hulk are ever mentioned again.

Also conveniently removing the need to cast Liv Tyler in additional roles.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 22, 2017, 03:47:48 PM
I'm not interested in any TV rendition, but a few days ago, after seeing Thor: Ragnarok, I made up an Amazon shopping list of all the movies.

Did I put the wrong thing on my list or was Bruce Banner played by a different actor in the original movie?

Have you seen many of the other films? None of them are very Thor: Ragnarok-like (Even the other Thor movies).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on November 22, 2017, 04:09:13 PM
I'm not interested in any TV rendition, but a few days ago, after seeing Thor: Ragnarok, I made up an Amazon shopping list of all the movies.

Did I put the wrong thing on my list or was Bruce Banner played by a different actor in the original movie?

Have you seen many of the other films? None of them are very Thor: Ragnarok-like (Even the other Thor movies).

Oh yeah.  I've seen all of them.  I think.  It's kinda hard to keep track.  I saw probably about half in theaters, half from Netflix when I eventually remembered.  I didn't see the Spiderman movie though.

I liked most of them okay.  I kinda hated Captain America 3 though, because I felt like I was just watching another Avengers movie.

Something bothered me about Ant Man.  The power of the suit was that the special chemical made you shrink by reducing the space between your atoms.  Okay, I'll suspend disbelief and accept that.  But how did he then shrink beyond the atomic level?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on November 23, 2017, 07:46:18 PM

Something bothered me about Ant Man.  The power of the suit was that the special chemical made you shrink by reducing the space between your atoms.  Okay, I'll suspend disbelief and accept that.  But how did he then shrink beyond the atomic level?
Yeah, that annoyed me a lot in that movie too. Even for comic book sci-fi nonsense it's pretty bad.
But by that point I was already so annoyed by that movie anyway.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 28, 2017, 07:15:35 PM
Well, the image in the first post of this thread could get a WHOLE lot simpler!

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BREAKING: Disney/Fox Deal Gaining Momentum, Could Be Imminent (https://mcuexchange.com/breaking-disney-fox-deal-gaining-momentum-imminent/)
    November 28, 2017  Charles Murphy
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Now wouldn't that be incredible?  It would also - hopefully - mean an uptick to six films a year that were connected to one-another, since FOX has been ramping up to putting out 2-3 a year.  The films would not necessarily be in one continuous storyline, though that would be possible, too.  But at least they would be in the same universe.  An MCU film every other month?  Sounds like heaven to me! ;D
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 28, 2017, 07:18:23 PM
I don't want the fox garbage to just suddenly be part of the MCU. They need a hard reboot if those characters are coming in.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on November 28, 2017, 07:30:08 PM
I don't want the fox garbage to just suddenly be part of the MCU. They need a hard reboot if those characters are coming in.

deadpool, of course, would have to comment on it all the time.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 28, 2017, 09:39:47 PM
I don't want the fox garbage to just suddenly be part of the MCU. They need a hard reboot if those characters are coming in.

deadpool, of course, would have to comment on it all the time.

Without question the X-Men and FF would have to be "Spider-Manned" into the MCU (i.e. all prior films and actors ignored completely)!

Not sure if this was being implied with goflyblind's comment, but the only exception I would make would be Deadpool... or, even if continuity was not the same with his two films, keeping on Ryan Reynolds and his creative team (possibly just changing things like Colossus, etc.), because Reynolds is so perfect in the role.  But, as goflyblind said, he'd be making comments on the changes, turning to the camera, "is it just me, or didn't he look and act different the last time I saw him?" and such.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: BathTub on November 29, 2017, 12:27:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/6ZfuNTqbHE8
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on November 29, 2017, 12:49:51 PM
I can't comprehend the sheer cost of actors in that movie.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on November 29, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
I'm only bothered by Black Widow being blonde.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: anais.butterfly on November 29, 2017, 12:53:34 PM
Chris Evans with a beard is the sexiest thing I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on November 30, 2017, 09:02:19 AM
I went ahead and ordered all the movies on DVD.  Amazon refuses to sell Thor 2 or Captain America to non-Prime members, so I had to go get those from WalMart.  16 movies, about 10 bucks apiece.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 05, 2017, 10:48:19 AM
Update.  Yeah, that pic in the first post may get a whole lot simpler soon.

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BREAKING: Disney and Fox Closing In On Deal; May Be Finalized Next Week (https://mcuexchange.com/fox-disney-deal-finalize/)

That elusive Fox-Disney deal that everyone has been talking about in the past few weeks made some huge strides this past couple of days when 2 big reports dropped regarding its status. One dropped last weekend, stating that the House of Mouse has re-entered talks to purchase several of the companies media assets after reports surfaced that the deal was off. Another dropped last night, stating that Fox has the hots for Disney more than any of the other companies interested in purchasing them, given how they’re a more “strategic fit” and how they present “less regulatory hurdles”. And just now, CNBC dropped a bombshell to top it all off: Disney and Fox are actually closing in on a deal and an announcement may be made next week.

    "Walt Disney Co. and 21st Century Fox are closing in on a deal and it could come as soon as next week, according to sources familiar with the matter."

So holy shit. This might actually happen after all. We didn’t think this would be possible in a billion years but here we are, closing in on what could be the biggest entertainment corporation deal in history. The trajectory of this whole Fox-Disney fiasco is a classic Hollywood play: Disney enters lukewarm talks with Fox but it goes nowhere. Fox makes the deal public by letting everyone know what was happening. A bunch of other companies quickly fall in line to negotiate. Suddenly, Disney realizes how important the deal is. Now we’re here. 2017 is going to end on a Fantastic note.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on December 06, 2017, 07:15:55 AM
Like, in theory I should be worried about one company that has proved to have some questionable practices buying another big company to become even more ridiculously powerful... but I want a good Fantastic Four movie.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 07, 2017, 02:55:03 PM
Yes, I too, am a little leery of one company having such incredible dominance in entertainment [seriously: Disney characters, Jim Henson's legacy, Marvel, Star Wars, now everything Fox Studios may have going for it (e.g. the Avatar series)?]... but Damn: a good FF story?  Galactus as something other than a cloud?  A truly brooding, self-aware Silver Surfer?  Much less more accurate X-Men?  [I still think they could leave Deadpool 'as is'.]

And now to this:
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REPORT: Disney and Fox May Have Closed the Deal (https://i.imgur.com/N1Zp0zO.jpg)

According to a report that surfaced late last night, Disney and Fox have closed the deal that would bring the X-Men, Fantastic Four and related characters into the MCU! The report is a bit fuzzy on whether or not it’s reporting on CNBC’s earlier report, or if it is citing it’s own sources, so we are going to hold off on popping the champagne open until the official release, which is expected some time next week.

Click the title for the full article.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 14, 2017, 10:49:36 AM
TODAY'S NEWS:

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The Fox-Disney Deal Has Been Finalized; Welcome Home, Fantastic Four & X-Men (https://mcuexchange.com/disney-deal-xmen-mcu-finalized/)

A year ago it was purely fantasy; last spring the rhetoric began to change; today it’s reality. Disney has officially announced a deal that, among many other non-MCU-related factors, will bring the live-action rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four to Marvel Studios.

Talks between Disney and Fox had been on again, off again over the past few months, as Fox explored its options and courted other suitors. With the recent news that Comcast, the last non-Disney player on the board, had left the game, it was only a matter of time before Bob Iger added to his already impressive legacy at Disney. In an official release…
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    Combining with Disney are 21st Century Fox’s critically acclaimed film production businesses, including Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight Pictures and Fox 2000, which together offer diverse and compelling storytelling businesses and are the homes of Avatar, X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool, as well as The Grand Budapest Hotel, Hidden Figures, Gone Girl, The Shape of Water and The Martian—and its storied television creative units, Twentieth Century Fox Television, FX Productions and Fox21, which have brought The Americans, This Is Us, Modern Family, The Simpsons and so many more hit TV series to viewers across the globe. Disney will also acquire FX Networks, National Geographic Partners, Fox Sports Regional Networks, Fox Networks Group International, Star India and Fox’s interests in Hulu, Sky plc, Tata Sky and Endemol Shine Group.

    The acquisition of this stellar collection of businesses from 21st Century Fox reflects the increasing consumer demand for a rich diversity of entertainment experiences that are more compelling, accessible and convenient than ever before,” said Robert A. Iger, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, The Walt Disney Company. “We’re honored and grateful that Rupert Murdoch has entrusted us with the future of businesses he spent a lifetime building, and we’re excited about this extraordinary opportunity to significantly increase our portfolio of well-loved franchises and branded content to greatly enhance our growing direct-to-consumer offerings. The deal will also substantially expand our international reach, allowing us to offer world-class storytelling and innovative distribution platforms to more consumers in key markets around the world.”

    We are extremely proud of all that we have built at 21st Century Fox, and I firmly believe that this combination with Disney will unlock even more value for shareholders as the new Disney continues to set the pace in what is an exciting and dynamic industry,” said Rupert Murdoch, Executive Chairman of 21st Century Fox. “Furthermore, I’m convinced that this combination, under Bob Iger’s leadership, will be one of the greatest companies in the world. I’m grateful and encouraged that Bob has agreed to stay on, and is committed to succeeding with a combined team that is second to none.

    At the request of both 21st Century Fox and the Disney Board of Directors, Mr. Iger has agreed to continue as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of The Walt Disney Company through the end of calendar year 2021.

    When considering this strategic acquisition, it was important to the Board that Bob remain as Chairman and CEO through 2021 to provide the vision and proven leadership required to successfully complete and integrate such a massive, complex undertaking,” said Orin C. Smith, Lead Independent Director of the Disney Board. “We share the belief of our counterparts at 21st Century Fox that extending his tenure is in the best interests of our company and our shareholders, and will be critical to Disney’s ability to effectively drive long-term value from this extraordinary acquisition.

And one more time, here’s the key piece for all of us MCU fans:
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    The agreement also provides Disney with the opportunity to reunite the X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool with the Marvel family under one roof and create richer, more complex worlds of inter-related characters and stories that audiences have shown they love.
While we are all feeling like kids on Christmas morning with our shiny new toys, it’s probably going to be a while before we get any sort of concrete plan for how Kevin Feige and his crew plan to introduce mutants into the MCU. Feige has been clear that Avengers 4 is the end of a 22-film run, so it’s hard to imagine any of the new characters playing too much of a role in that film. However, beginning in 2020, the sky is the limit!

We’ll have much more for you on this story as it develops, but for now celebrate with your friends. The floodgates are open and the MCU will never be the same!!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 14, 2017, 11:04:56 AM
Supplemental good news:

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Disney CEO Bob Iger Sees An "Opportunity" For R-Rated Marvel Studios Films Down the Line (https://mcuexchange.com/bob-iger-marvel-studio-r-rated/)

Today’s Disney/Fox deal is a dream come true for us here at the MCU Exchange and appears to be the gift that will keep on giving. While many fans were certain that Deadpool, one of Fox’s most successful Marvel properties, would not continue under a Marvel Studios banner (despite Kevin Feige saying it was distinct possibility), Disney boss Bob Iger sees things a little differently:
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Ben Fritz  [Twitter]
Iger specifically calls out "Deadpool," wants to keep making sequels. "There may be an opportunity for an R-rated Marvel brand as long as we let audiences know what’s coming."
While many pundits are going to be shocked that “family friendly” Disney would consider an R-rated film, those pundits may not entirely familiar with the types of films that Disney has produced in the past and continues to produce now. This deal, like any other business deal, comes down to money. Bob Iger will walk away from Disney with a very impressive legacy because he knows HOW to make money and he knows Deadpool sequels will make money. Interestingly enough, bringing Deadpool into Marvel Studios could also help open the door for other comic book characters who may be better served in R-rated films as well, so there’s plenty to think about here. Of course Deadpool could also pop up just about anywhere now, just like he does in the comics, and can be used to his full intended effect.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: BathTub on December 14, 2017, 03:57:11 PM
They should make the X-Men a separate universe and then just do cross-overs rather than fully same universe.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on December 14, 2017, 04:37:10 PM
I was thinking something similar.  Maybe for shits and giggles they can cameo in each others movies but keeping those continuities separate is fine.  Until, lets say, 10 more years, when they decide to reboot both franchises, then they can consolidate.

Just give me my Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer movies.  And Doctor Doom.  Shit, I got to start dream casting Dr. Doom.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 14, 2017, 07:04:53 PM
Before writing more, I'll say that there are VERY few X-Men films that I think stand up to the quality of the MCU ones ('The Wolverine' and 'Days of Future Past' being a bit better than the weakest MCU films, with 'Logan' being better than over 1/2 the MCU films, [Deadpool is 'sort-of' an X-Men film, so it also fits here, as it is at least as enjoyable and well done as most MCU films]).  So my personal hope is that they will simply finish all the already-planned X-Men films that were already in production, then reboot the series within the MCU.

That is with the exception of Deadpool, who will happily stay 'as is' (apparently, according to Iger, and implied by Feige), but hopefully will make brief guest appearances in the occasional PG-13 MCU film.  Though he never interacted with any of the mainstream X-Men or appeared in any mainstream X-Men film, he could at least be making reference to his being oddly suddenly PG-13 when in a standard MCU film, and as goflyblind commented making snarky remarks about actor differences (as he did with the Patrick Stewart and James McAvoy confusion in his first film).

BUT, with the MCU now containing mutants and the FF, I would personally like to see - beyond Avengers 4 - there being two 'streams' of films.  One, the cosmic ones that Feige/Gunn have already been planning and working on [Guardians, Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, hopefully Adam Warlock, etc.], and the second being terrestrial films (such as X-Men, Spider-Man, any remaining-living Avengers, etc.)  These streams would alternate at the theater, with no more than two months going by at any given time without a Marvel entry there. ;D  An alternative might be: a PG-13 strain of films, and an R strain (possibly in a 4:2 ratio)... bringing us more Deadpool, Moon Knight, etc.  [A 'Marvel Knights MAX' film series, as it were.]  Or some combination of the two (i.e. combining the celestial/terrestraial with the PG-13/R in various ways).

Since Marvel now has all the 20th C Fox film-making resources, that should not be an issue in the production side of things.  Each studio would continue putting out the number of films they'd planned, they'd just be coordinated with one-another better.  It will, however, be a BIG increase in what Feige would be doing, unless he delegates more than what he's already done with first Whedon (for phase 2), then the Russos (for phase 3), and Gunn (for phase 4).  [Or am I 'out of phase' there?]

I do see the FF as easily fitting in to the cosmic era of the MCU - Galactus and the Silver Surfer done correctly comes immediately to mind - because the FF are, at their core, science fiction.  Possibly one of the 2021 or 2022 MCU films will be the FF.  Or has Feige been playing this very close to the vest and had insider info on the return and already planned for their return?  (An admittedly weak possibility contributing to why there are no titles beyond 2019.)

In the cosmic realm, I'd love to see Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men done in film (beyond the animated comics version).  A GOOD Dark Phoenix story is unlikely, as there is already one well into production (due out this year?), but the X-Men's link to things like the Shi'ar can have them in the cosmic MCU as well.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on December 15, 2017, 06:05:02 AM
It occurs to me I had what I think is a fun idea: film versions of Marvel Team-Up and Marvel Two-in-One.   The catch would be each film would be a short double bill team-up movie: that way, all of the characters who survive Infinity War can do a short return if they want.

Still want a Black Widow movie, too, and I actually have great ideas for the premise and villains.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on December 15, 2017, 06:07:42 AM

Just give me my Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer movies.  And Doctor Doom.  Shit, I got to start dream casting Dr. Doom.
Dr. Doom is like Judge Dredd, we should never see his face. Just get an actor that has a recognizable voice and doesn't mind being in the suit the whole time.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Jesse412 on December 15, 2017, 01:15:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/V_yiyQLTk00&t=2s
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on December 15, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
That's what some people thought.  However, it was announced that they totally did on the day the merger was official.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 15, 2017, 03:36:09 PM
The definitive answer on Disney/Marvel getting all their characters back, and more.  (And, apparently, my post yesterday with my lengthy delineated desire for 'what would happen' is pretty much what Iger has in mind!  YAY! :) )
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X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool Will Expand the MCU, According To Bob Iger (https://mcuexchange.com/bob-iger-xmen-deadpool-fantastic-four-mcu/)

Speaking yesterday with investors, Disney CEO Bob Iger offered some more insight into the company’s plans for their newly acquired properties. While most people didn’t really think Marvel Studios would sit on their hands after acquiring the live-action rights to the X-Men, Fantastic Four and related characters, some pundits have maintained that the characters, especially the X-Men, would stay in their own sandbox. Iger doesn’t agree:
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We’re also looking forward to expanding the Marvel Cinematic Universe to include X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool. Basically Fox — 20th Century Fox Studios — has some interesting tentpole opportunities, we obviously are going to continue to support that. What they’ve done obviously with Avatar, and what they did with Deadpool, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Planet of the Apes is another one. We’ll stay in that business. Not all of it will be branded anything other than what it’s branded today, as a for instance. How much we will create under that banner, we’re still uncertain. It’s going to take a while from a regulatory perspective. They’ll continue to develop in that period of time and at such time as we close this deal and have control, we’ll take stock and really look carefully at what their slate looks like going forward and how many movies it would make sense to make.

And so it seems that for the time being, Fox will proceed as usual with films like X-Men: Dark Phoenix, New Mutants, Deadpool 2 and maybe even Gambit and X-Force. However, once the deal has been approved and Disney takes full ownership of Fox’s studios (potentially 12-18 months from now), we are likely to see Disney hand creative control over these properties to Kevin Feige.

To that end, another report cites that unnamed “insiders” are already hearing that combining the new properties with the robust planned MCU slate could come at the expense of some of Fox’s future plans. Future New Mutants films and other X-films in development (an X-23 spinoff was mentioned) could potentially be pushed to Disney’s upcoming streaming platform while Feige focuses on giving the X-Men and Fantastic Four (and their incredible villains) the treatment they deserve. So while we may never get to see that Multiple Man film, it seems like we might have a chance of seeing Spidey sit on a rooftop with the Human Torch or see Reed Richards talk science with T’Challa. Guess it’s a little give and take.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 15, 2017, 05:19:35 PM
I was just thinking about it, and am kind-of impressed by Disney's audacity in these events:

"Since the X-Men is such a financially successful franchise, and the FF had good enough returns that they kept trying to make them, it would cost us too much to buy back the rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four . . ..

 . . . . . . . . . . . . Fuck it: let's just buy the studio!"



[Yes, I know that the production/distribution assets of 20th C F were a bigger draw than these film rights, but I like my 'behind the scenes' conversation for what went on. :) ]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on December 15, 2017, 07:46:31 PM
Ooh! I just realized that Black Panther could potentially get his bride. (Are they still together? I never keep up with his corner of the MU.)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 16, 2017, 12:46:45 AM
Ooh! I just realized that Black Panther could potentially get his bride. (Are they still together? I never keep up with his corner of the MU.)

Good point! They were in the second to most recent Black Panther series, but I haven't read the newest stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on December 19, 2017, 11:19:49 AM
The definitive answer on Disney/Marvel getting all their characters back, and more.

Does that include Namor?  I think he's stuck with Universal or something.  Also, I guess for reasons, Marvel can use Hulk all they want, but he can't have his own movie (which I think is also a Universal thing).  Hope that means I won't be denied a She-Hulk movie.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on December 19, 2017, 11:56:03 AM
They CAN do a Hulk solo movie, but Universal would get that sweet distribution money, and Disney doesn't wanna share.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 19, 2017, 04:26:53 PM
The definitive answer on Disney/Marvel getting all their characters back, and more.

Does that include Namor?  I think he's stuck with Universal or something.  Also, I guess for reasons, Marvel can use Hulk all they want, but he can't have his own movie (which I think is also a Universal thing).  Hope that means I won't be denied a She-Hulk movie.

Pretty sure Marvel confirmed they had Namor back ages ago?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 19, 2017, 05:32:15 PM
The definitive answer on Disney/Marvel getting all their characters back, and more.
Does that include Namor?  I think he's stuck with Universal or something.  Also, I guess for reasons, Marvel can use Hulk all they want, but he can't have his own movie (which I think is also a Universal thing).  Hope that means I won't be denied a She-Hulk movie.
Pretty sure Marvel confirmed they had Namor back ages ago?

If I remember correctly, Universal had rights to Namor on TV, but not for film (though I read it in an article ages ago, the image in the first post for this thread has "NBC" in the 'Universal' 1/2 of the bubble Namor is in, supporting that).  Which might have suggested that Namor could be used in the MCU films, but simultaneously an independent Namor TV series by Universal could have been made.  [a la The Flash TV series and the DCU Flash being unconnected.]

Please note the date on the article:
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The Rights For Namor The Sub-Mariner Apparently Back At Marvel... (https://mcuexchange.com/the-rights-for-namor-the-sub-mariner-apparently-back-at-marvel-brian-tee-wants-the-role/)
June 3, 2016

The MCU is on course to expand quite a bit over the next few years with characters such as Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel hitting the big screen soon. Among that, we’ve also got several other smaller roles in the upcoming Thor: Ragnarok and Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2. As for other new characters, we don’t know exactly where Marvel will go next since big properties such as the X-Men and Fantastic Four sit with other studios. However one that it seems they’ve gotten back recently is Namor the Sub-Mariner.

In his appearance on Kevin Smith’s Fatman on Batman podcast, Joe Quesada, Chief Creative Officer for Marvel Studios, was questioned on if we would ever see Namor in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. While he couldn’t confirm or deny any plans for a movie based on the character, he did seemingly confirm that the rights for the character on the big screen are back with Marvel Studios.
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     I can’t speak for studios…As far as I know, yeah we do. It’s not at Fox, it’s not at Sony…Yeah.
Obviously this doesn’t tell us that we’ll be seeing a movie based on the character anytime soon, but at least we know he has the potential to join the MCU at some point in the future. The rights for Namor were previously thought to be held by Universal Pictures, with Kevin Feige stating that it was “complicated”. For now, we’ll just have to wait and see.

Johnny Unusual and EJG III, it seems you are both right. ;)  The conflicting info here lends a bit of question to the idea of the rights belonging cleanly to one or the other.  The key part of the quote making it still unclear, is Feige's statement it was "complicated".  Of course, that was the most recent reference I could find on https://mcuexchange.com/ and it is over a year and a half old, so who knows what may have happened in the interim.  It appears that the image in the first post related this: with their being 'joint custody' of the character.  [Odd that the person making the image didn't include the Hulk in a 'joint custody' position.]

At the very least, I would think that, like is apparently true of most such rights arrangements, if Universal doesn't have something in production by a certain number of years, the rights revert to Marvel automatically.  [Prior to the 20th C Fox purchase, that was the way it was believed they'd get the FF back, as 20th C was having diminishing returns on their attempts.]  So it could be the rights are 'iffy', and Marvel is just waiting it out.

I kinda' wonder if the same is true for the Hulk at Universal (waiting on rights to revert)?  Or if the MCU using the character in group films keeps Universal's rights ownership renewed as there is 'something' being produced out there with the Hulk in it.



EDIT:
Looked further.  Then, there's this, from a list, "10 Amazing Characters Marvel Studios Still Can't Use (http://www.thegeektwins.com/2017/12/10-amazing-characters-marvel-studios.html)"
Article printed online 12/17/2017, so apparently current.  (Most other characters in their list are Hulk-related, Namor-related, or Spider-Man related [Carnage, Venom].  To me, none but She-Hulk and Namor themselves fit the "Amazing" category, though Namorita would've been nice in the New Warriors.)
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2. Namor

Namor the Sub-Mariner is a mutant underwater superhero that has super strength, can breathe underwater and fly. The live-action movie rights to Namor were purchased by Universal Studios along with Hulk in the 1990s. They never used Namor and never made a movie although some planning for a movie was done in 1996.

When asked about the rights for Namor Kevin Feige said, “It’s slightly more complicated than that. Let’s put it this way – there are entanglements that make it less easy. There are older contracts that still involve other parties that mean we need to work things out before we move forward on it. As opposed to an Iron Man or any of the Avengers or any of the other Marvel characters where we could just put them in.”

So, for now, Marvel can’t make a Namor movie without some work and money changing hands. Since most people haven’t even heard of Namor it’s not a huge draw.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 19, 2017, 06:09:16 PM
Just did a substantial overhaul of the first post in this thread (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg961925#msg961925) adding a new (additional) rights graphic.  Since most people likely don't revisit such things, I figured I'd best announce the update. :)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on December 19, 2017, 06:58:14 PM
People actually care about Namor? The only impression I ever got about him was that he was a arrogant asshat.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 19, 2017, 07:01:54 PM
That's what makes him fun.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 19, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
People actually care about Namor? The only impression I ever got about him was that he was a arrogant asshat.

His original incarnation (1939-to pre-"Marvel"), when written/drawn by Everett himself, were Namor as a great anti-hero.  Since coming back in FF #4, I see him best used (by those writers at Marvel trying to utilize him) as a major FF antagonist.  He doesn't do much for me by himself.  But for me, that is actually not the fault of the character, it is a problem with the writers (simplifying him to nothing but "an arrogant asshat"), or him often being assigned to writers who really don't have any idea what to do with him so they try to do just 'regular' superhero-y stuff with him.  Heck, I even got bored with John Byrne's take on him (~ mid-'80s), when I liked most of what Byrne was doing at the time.  Sadly it is possible that the only person who knew how to write and draw him really well was his creator.

[I am incredibly happy to have a page of Everett art from his '70s return to Namor (Sub-Mariner #51, p.15).  It was the 2nd issue of Namorita, with both of them on the page.  Absolutely stunning artwork with so much more detail than the printed comic was able to show (e.g. Everett used an Exacto blade to cut little streams of tiny bubbles in every panel)!  It is actually the only one of the many original comic art pieces I have framed and on display.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Jesse412 on December 19, 2017, 11:57:34 PM
The Bill Everett Namor stuff I've read has mostly been excellent especially his later artwork.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on December 20, 2017, 07:56:42 AM
While I am COMPLETELY disinterested in Namor, I have no doubt Marvel Studios would have me rushing to Toys R Us to get a figure for my desk by the end of the movie if they made one.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 22, 2017, 06:33:05 PM
I created a new useful list.  It is a chart of the mid-and-end-credit scenes on the assorted home video releases of the MCU. (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962020#msg962020)  [<= The blue there is a link to the post where the list resides.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on December 22, 2017, 06:39:11 PM
While I am COMPLETELY disinterested in Namor, I have no doubt Marvel Studios would have me rushing to Toys R Us to get a figure for my desk by the end of the movie if they made one.
Yeah, Namor is definitely the Aquaman of the MCU... what? Too on the nose?  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 22, 2017, 11:45:07 PM
(https://i1.wp.com/mcuexchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/EMP_FEB18_SubsCover.jpg?w=790&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on December 23, 2017, 03:52:55 AM
Last nights episode of SHIELD was the best one of the season. This has been a weird story line. Not sure that the show will last past this season though which is a shame.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on December 23, 2017, 12:05:53 PM
While I am COMPLETELY disinterested in Namor, I have no doubt Marvel Studios would have me rushing to Toys R Us to get a figure for my desk by the end of the movie if they made one.
Yeah, Namor is definitely the Aquaman of the MCU... what? Too on the nose?  ;D

Technically, Aquaman is the Namor of DC... Namor was created by Bill Everett in 1938, and was first published in April 1939.  Aquaman was first published in November 1941.  But, yes, the DCU is beating the MCU in creating a water-character on film.  So the general public will think he was 'first'.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 23, 2017, 03:40:21 PM
Last nights episode of SHIELD was the best one of the season. This has been a weird story line. Not sure that the show will last past this season though which is a shame.

I think that every season.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on January 18, 2018, 06:45:35 PM
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FINALLY! We Have a 'Cloak And Dagger' Premiere Date (https://mcuexchange.com/marvel-cloak-dagger-premiere-date/)

Let the countdown begin, because at the winter TCAs, Freeform announced that Cloak And Dagger will be coming to television on Thursday, June 7. According to Variety, Cloak and Dagger will have a monstrous two-hour premiere.
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This may be the only new show that we see on cable television for the MCU, as we recently learned that there won’t be any new Marvel projects on ABC this year.
[Article title is a link to a very slightly expanded article.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on January 25, 2018, 01:00:59 PM
Brie Larson on set in Captain Marvel suit.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Filmed Universe: TV & Theatrical (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 28, 2018, 10:16:07 AM
Ooo, old school.  I like it.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on February 08, 2018, 07:39:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/N1n35Dy.jpg)

(link to embiggen: https://i.imgur.com/N1n35Dy.jpg )
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 08, 2018, 08:39:51 PM
I have been looking for an HQ copy of that since first seeing a tiny useless copy on Facebook!  Thanks, goflyblind!

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0739/9215/collections/image_ff39b6f7-2dbe-4b44-b26b-5b072e731755_800x800.progressive.jpg?v=1513566043)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on February 08, 2018, 09:31:04 PM
Found the Stan Lee cameo!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 10, 2018, 03:30:47 AM
Wow I can be slow at times!

Was just watching The Avengers again (9th time), and only now - having just recently watched the Blu-rays of Season 3 of Agents of SHIELD (imported from the UK) - did it finally register that Powers Boothe's Gideon Malick was on the World Security Council in The Avengers (he is listed in the credits there as "World Security Council Member #1" and, obviously, only appears by voice and in heavy shadow)!

No wonder in The Avengers he was so bent out of shape at Thor taking the Tesseract back to Asgard.  It also makes the apparent ease of his vote for nuking midtown clear, because it would eliminate not only the age-old enemy of Hydra, Captain America, but also eliminate further potential enemies in the rest of the Avengers.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 10, 2018, 05:12:37 PM
OK... I reworded what I wrote just above and integrated it into my massive crossover list (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019).

But I've added something new to the post just following that, the one that previously just had the end credit scene checklist in it.  This is a little something that I've been working on recently.

A little (unnecessary) history first.  I first watched Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2 in 2D.  Fine, no big deal.  But when I got the 3D Blu-ray, I noticed something: a fair number of scenes were massively improved by an expanded aspect ratio.  Now, the first film I believe I experienced the shifting screen ratio on was 'The Dark Knight', where powerful scenes were made more powerful by the shift from the 2.35:1 of the majority of the film to the 1.77:1 full HD screen.  Well, MCU films do that as well - but ONLY in the 3D versions of the films (no 2D versions have the screen-filling scenes uncropped).  That pisses me off a bit, because I don't always want to watch films in 3D, but I DO always want to get the impact of the IMAX scenes. >:(

So, here's a link to the post that has the new list (and the older, end-credit-scene checklist as well). 3D Blu-rays that have the exclusive MCU IMAX scenes in the expanded ratio on them, and the chart of the mid- and end-credit scenes on the assorted home video releases of the MCU films. (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962020#msg962020)

So far there appear to be only four films where this is the case (though I will now be more attentive while re-watching others, in case I missed some).  But given Disney's track record across their output, I think Thor: Ragnarok and Black Panther are likely to do this as well.  Sadly, Disney isn't releasing Ragnarok domestically in 3D at all (GotGv2 was only available in 3D in an exclusive Best Buy steelbook with the 4K version which sold out pretty much immediately).  So I've already got my UK 3D copy of Ragnarok ordered.




EDIT:
Here is an example of JUST how much difference this makes, with side-by-side images for 2D and IMAX scenes for the first Guardians of the Galaxy (https://imgur.com/a/Igpfi).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 10, 2018, 06:14:17 PM
But I think Thor: Ragnarok is likely to do this as well.  Sadly, Disney isn't releasing that domestically in 3D at all (GotGv2 was only available in 3D in an exclusive Best Buy steelbook with the 4K version which sold out pretty much immediately).
That's wierd. Is the 3D fad starting to die down finally?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 10, 2018, 07:40:07 PM
For those who may have seen my post that DG quoted the tiny selection from (or not), I recently edited it to add a link with screen-shot comparisons between the regular and IMAX scenes in Guardians 1 (I also added the link to the 1st-page post with the full list).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 11, 2018, 08:46:25 PM
Even though I've watched it a dozen times, I haven't written much (if anything) on the film.  But here are the main problems I notice with the Doctor Strange film.

First and foremost:
There is no 8th cervical vertebra!  So Pangborn could NOT have had a "complete C7-C8 severing" of his spinal cord.  This irritates the shit out of me every time I see the film!  [There are seven cervical vertebrae, then the ribs start with the thoracic vertebrae, when they end the lumbar vertebrae take over.  It is really friggin' simple, and with all the medical jargon they went through, there is NO excuse for missing this!  As someone who has had multiple spinal injuries (and a C6-C7 fusion), this is particularly irritating to me.]

Second, and VERY minor (but still distracting for a couple seconds):
Right after the scene in the medical staff office, in which Strange says to put a "stent down the brachial artery into the radial", as he is wheeled into the OR on a stretcher, both hands have the massive fixators all over.  These were LONG gone by this time, and would not be needed any longer (as they are for holding bones together while they repair).  They are also clearly missing in the very next shot when both of his arms are being operated on at the same time for the stent placement.  [Obviously the 'wheeling into the OR with fixators on' shot was initially filmed for use earlier in the movie, but they likely felt it slowed the film where it was shot for, and they used it here 'since it was available'.  But continuity is a Marvel trademark - or at least providing acceptable retroactive explanations when they goof up. ;D  But there are no 'acceptable explanations' for this or the previous 'C7-C8' error other than 'we fucked up'.]

Third, and this is only an aesthetic point, and only applies to the 3D version:
When Strange wakes briefly after his accident, while being wheeled into the ER/OR, his left eye is completely swollen shut.  He looks and sees both Christine Palmer and his hands.  It is a POV shot...  BUT FOR THE VIEWER, IT IS VISIBLE IN BOTH EYES, AND IN 3D!  The IDEAL for this shot - since it is a POV shot - would be that the left eye of the 3D image would be BLACK.  So the viewer would have the same 'swollen shut eye' effect as Steven himself had.  Like I said: an aesthetic point.

OK, other than that I really enjoyed the film.  It is tied with Spider-Man: Homecoming for my favorite MCU film.  But these three things bug me, in massively decreasing order as the list progresses. ;)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 11, 2018, 09:13:09 PM
 I've watched Doctor Strange a few times and never noticed the bad vertebra numbering.

 That would be a cool idea for them to have tried with the 3D, I wonder how it would look doing that.
 I stopped getting the Marvel films in 3D because the 3D was disappointing, none of them are shot with 3D cameras, they are post processed into 3D and it shows.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 12, 2018, 08:40:49 AM
The vertebra numbering seems like an odd mistake since they clearly would have had a medical adviser for the movie.

The idea of effecting the 3D in that one shot is interesting, but I think it would have just confused the average moviegoer and looked like a mistake.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 12, 2018, 05:27:02 PM
Yeah, you can't have things like 'fixators' and 'radial and brachial arteries' and 'blood in the pericardial sac' and so much more (as well as all the attendant visuals) and not have a medical advisor on the film.  Personally, for "C7-C8", I think their license to practice film medicine should be revoked!

And with the 3D right-eye only POV shot, yeah, I realized when I proposed it that nearly 100% of viewers (possibly most everyone but me ;) ) would think that there was something wrong with either the presentation or the 3D disc for home video.  It was just a personal aesthetic preference I figured I'd share.  If one wants their 3D truly immersive, then it should be consistently so, is all I was expressing (sort-of the visual equivalent of motion-controlled chairs in theme rides).


MartyS, the 3D has improved with Marvel.  I think they are paying more attention to it (= "money for it").  Doctor Strange I felt had some of the best converted 3D I've seen, almost rivaling the conversion of Pacific Rim.  The thing that bugs me with these films, is that they don't just automatically have all of the CGI effects rendered in 3D in the first place.  (The cost difference between having the CGI houses render a second eye's worth of film and the 3D-conversion house creating it from nothing may be substantial, however.  I don't know about that.  I would think with more complex shots, it would be cheaper for the CGI house to do it.)  It would seem that would give a FAR more genuine 3D effect to the whole film, because it would, effectively, be 'shooting with a 3D camera' for that part to begin with.  Then all they'd have to do is convert the 2D stuff that fit into that environment.  In the CGI-filled MCU, that would be 90% of many of the more difficult shots to begin with (e.g. Ancient One's initial fight with Kaecilius before Strange's introduction, Strange's initial trip through alternate realities, Kaecilius demonstrating his new Dark Dimension power in the church, the New York chase, Strange's entire meeting and interaction with Dormammu).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on February 12, 2018, 06:30:42 PM
When I hear "Complete" and "C7 - C8" I think action figure collecting. On some scales an action figure in C7-8 condition would be worn but still functional but I don't think it's quite clever enough to be a joke.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 13, 2018, 01:21:11 AM
When I hear "Complete" and "C7 - C8" I think action figure collecting. On some scales an action figure in C7-8 condition would be worn but still functional but I don't think it's quite clever enough to be a joke.

I don't get into action figures.  But from what you said, here's a start...  possibly you can alter and refine it. :)
"Shit, man... I completely cracked the neck of my Pangborn action figure... damn thing's a C7-C8 for sure!"
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 01, 2018, 03:11:26 PM
Since this is more 'technical stuff' rather than 'content stuff', this belongs more in the 'Phase 3 Lineup' thread, I posted it there first, and I'll likely delete it from here shortly, but felt there might be a chance people might miss it there, but follow this thread.  So here's some important news.  :)


Avengers: Infinity War release date moved up a week!  Release day now April 27!

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'Avengers: Infinity War' Release Date Moves Up One Week to April (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avengers-infinity-war-release-date-moves-april-1089951)

Marvel Studios and Disney' biggest superhero mashup yet is hitting North American theaters earlier than expected.

Avengers: Infinity War will now unfurl April 27, a week before its earlier launch date of May 4. In other words, the summer box office will kick off earlier than expected (the first weekend in May is historically considered the official start of the summer season).

The move means that the comic book blockbuster, directed by Anthony and Joe Russo, will open day-and-date around the globe, reducing the possibility of spoilers marring the experience for North American audiences. Marvel president Kevin Feige has said the film will have big ramifications for the Marvel Cinematic Universe, so much so that the title for 2019's Avengers 4 has not yet been revealed, as the name itself would be a spoiler.


Aaaand... there's more:

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Release Dates Revealed for Six New Untitled Marvel Films (https://mcuexchange.com/new-release-dates-mcu-2022/)

Disney has moved up the release of one of its 2020 Marvel releases to July 31, 2020 (previously August 7, 2020). After that, six slots have been carved out on May 7, 2021, July 30, 2021, Nov. 5, 2021, Feb. 18, 2022, May 6, 2022, and July 29, 2022.


All this new info has been added to/updated in my Crossover Index (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019) and my End Credit Index (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962020#msg962020).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 01, 2018, 06:00:56 PM
OK... took 'til I was working on updating the two lists on the first page that I noticed something:

For 2022, the three films all cluster in the first part of the year.  So far, Marvel has only done this with Avengers 3 + 4 (presumably from their interactions with both the films immediately before and after them).

However, there is another thought I had: what if this is the first indicator that Marvel is gearing up for integrating the 21st Century Fox assets (both production and characters)?  Feige et al could be simply 'holding back' an additional film date for November 2022 that would be made using the 20th C F studios &/or with (please, oh PLEASE!!) the FF.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on March 01, 2018, 06:27:18 PM
If they do a Fantastic Four movie... please for the love of God don't make it another damn origin movie. We've already tried this three ways: The Corman way, the high budget way, and the dark-high budget way, and none of them produced a good movie. In fact I would dare say they were all awful and I have no desire to ever watch them again. The CLOSEST, the CLOSEST they got to making a good FF movie was that Rise of the Silver Surfer movie, and even that was still fairly bad... but still the best FF movie... sad to say.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 01, 2018, 06:35:11 PM
I am pretty sure they'll do it right. They managed to make Spider-Man interesting again.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on March 01, 2018, 06:38:45 PM
I hope so for the sake of the characters. Maybe it would be best to test the waters and have them appear in a future Avengers movie or something THEN make a Fantastic Four movie, kind of like what they did with Black Panther.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 06, 2018, 07:19:41 PM
Okay... only two days from 'Jessica Jones' season 2. :)  Looking forward to it, but it is supposed to be 'darker' in emotional tone (as well as more noire visually).  I hope it does not approach being as emotionally dark as the soul-sucking pit that was 'The Punisher'.

In more Marvel/Netflix news, Luke Cage season 2's release date was just announced (and updated in my crossover/release list (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019)).  It is:
Luke Cage season 2 . . . . June 22, 2018

From this, the Netflix shows are serving as 'palate cleansers' between the three cinema releases for this year, even with the three theatrical films bunched so close together.  (We also get the New Warriors tossed in there as a happy bonus. :) )
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 06, 2018, 07:42:30 PM
Loved the first season of The Punisher, even though it was quite dark, although I'm a little concerned about the story they are rumored to be adapting for the next season.

I hope JJ s2 can live up to the first!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on March 07, 2018, 04:51:31 AM
Loved the first season of The Punisher, even though it was quite dark, although I'm a little concerned about the story they are rumored to be adapting for the next season.


"Black Like Me"?

(https://theunspokendecade.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/punisher-black.png)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on March 07, 2018, 03:59:51 PM
So the run time of Avengers Infinity war has been revealed to be a whopping 2 hours and 36 minutes. I'm not sure whether to be worried or not, wondering if they can tell the whole story in a compelling way in that much time.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on March 07, 2018, 04:13:25 PM
This is either the best or worst idea ever, but they should do what the comics do. Tell the core story through the big summer crossover event (Avengers) and then add to the story through their other monthly titles (Captain Marvel, Guardians 3, etc..)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 07, 2018, 05:57:54 PM
This is either the best or worst idea ever, but they should do what the comics do. Tell the core story through the big summer crossover event (Avengers) and then add to the story through their other monthly titles (Captain Marvel, Guardians 3, etc..)

Isn't that kind of what they do though?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on March 07, 2018, 06:34:23 PM
So far they've been more like a bridge. I'm envisioning something like, "While all that was going on, here's what Thor was up to!"
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 07, 2018, 06:37:58 PM
So a TV show?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 07, 2018, 08:25:13 PM
I think what Pak is saying is more like the company-wide crossover 'events', where the 'main event' takes place in its own series, but for the bigger story on what individual characters do, one gets referred to their solo series.  Problem with that here, is that there's only two films between the two Avengers/Thanos films, and they are over six months apart, with one taking place to a large degree in the 1990s, so not much to work with.

Though they stopped calling them "Infinity War Parts 1 & 2", they are still Avengers & everyone else/Thanos films.  So I don't expect the entire (comic-equivalent Infinity Gauntlet) plot to be wrapped up in 'A:IW'.  But they said the two films were very different in tone, so what I suspect is that they will have varying degrees of Thanos and Thanos-introspection in them.  (i.e. one may be a more 'personal' Thanos drama, the other a more 'public' Thanos drama.)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 08, 2018, 06:02:47 AM
I still wish we knew more about Thanos going into Infinity War. We don't even know about his relationship with Hela (assuming they do that part of the storyline, which I hope they do). So that's just more stuff they have to spend time establishing in an already packed movie.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on March 08, 2018, 06:54:41 AM
I still wish we knew more about Thanos going into Infinity War. We don't even know about his relationship with Hela...

ROAD TRIP MOVIE!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 13, 2018, 07:37:21 PM
Some thoughts:

on Jessica Jones season 2
spoiler is about a throw-away line that I believe relates to a future film release
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


My thoughts on Thor: Ragnarok:
While I've seen this four times now, I've only seen the 3D/IMAX-footage version once (last night).  Honestly, it is a better film with the IMAX footage (3D or not).  I haven't found the film terribly endearing - it might be the best Thor film, but not by much.  Some of the ad-libbed dialog sounds ad-libbed - which means: it sounds sloppy, like someone is making up stuff they think someone else would say then saying it... which is NOT smooth as most genuine conversation tends to be.  A fair amount of what I assume was supposed to be intended as amusing, wasn't (of course, I had to turn off 'What We Do In the Shadows' by about 10 minutes in - basically I gave up when the credits started rolling, because I found that film so irritating).  The Hulk acting like a pouting 3-year-old was massively annoying, bordering on angering, not funny.

And, finally, Zep's 'Immigrant Song' was a PERFECT choice for a Thor fight, though it feels intensely out of place since there is no other major popular music featured prominently in any other Thor film, or in the rest of this one.  However, the fact that 'Immigrant Song' was used TWICE massively decreased the effect and power of the tune in EITHER instance.  But in particular for the bridge scene it felt like, "yeah... dude... we couldn't think of anything else we could play... so here's Zep again: WOOOOO!!!"  The tune should have just been saved and used only for the bridge fight, and not used in the first, short, post-'comedic' Surtur confrontation... after all, it is about Vikings immigrating, which is what the Asgardians were about to do, if they survived the bridge fight.

Just curious if anyone else thinks the Asgardian actor playing Loki in the play was an uncredited Matt Damon?  That is an oddly left-out-of-end-credits attribution (the actors playing the actors playing Thor, Sif, and Odin are listed in the end credits, but not the one playing Loki).  Since the person was a bit heavier than what Matt normally looks like, it actually looked like it could have been a brother of Damon (since they used Hemsworth's brother for Thor 'lesser-known brothers of actors' didn't seem out of the question), but I looked for pics of Kyle, and it definitely wasn't Kyle.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 13, 2018, 07:45:43 PM
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Matt Damon plays Loki, Sam Neill plays Odin, and Thor is portrayed by Westworld actor and Chris Hemsworth’s real-life older brother, Luke Hemsworth.

https://uproxx.com/hitfix/who-was-in-loki-play-thor-ragnarok-cameos/
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 20, 2018, 03:43:46 AM
MASSIVE spoilers for The Defenders (and other Marvel/Netflix shows).  If you've not seen through The Defenders, you may want to skip this post.

OK... I'm just going to say this.  It has bothered me since The Defenders, and yet I've seen no-one bring this up.

The entire premise for the Marvel/Netflix series - with what The Hand did with the bones - is ASSININE!

Dragon bones are the core ingredient for the process keeping them alive for, potentially, forever.  They have a VERY limited resource, and are running out of it.

So they're grinding it up and selling it like heroin to people on the street for a few bucks?  Seriously?

That is the stupidest fucking premise I have heard of.  I actually, until near the very end of The Defenders, thought, "seriously, they're going to tell what was REALLY going on, and what the 'something else' was that was being sold as a drug, and it'll be something entirely different, right?!?!" because I simply could not believe that that insane a plot was approved at ANY level of production for those series.

They are running out of what is keeping them alive and they are selling it to average people for a few bucks to use like a drug?

That is idiocy.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2018, 05:30:33 AM
Where was it said that they were selling "the substance" on the street?  I've watched The Defenders a couple times and do not remember that.  I only watched Iron Fist once, but I thought the drugs being sold by The Hand were regular drugs.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 20, 2018, 02:16:21 PM
It's been a while since watching it, but I remembered this.  I had to look through a few articles to find this again.  Spoiler-avoider I am, I read this after seeing the series, and it confirmed what I tried to convince myself I hadn't seen, because the idea was so stupid.

Interior quote is from an interview with show-runner Marco Ramirez.
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'The Defenders' Showrunner Explains Connections Between 'Iron Fist' Mythology and New York (https://mcuexchange.com/ramirez-defenders-dragon-iron-fist/)
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Q:    That dragon skeleton — that wasn’t Shou-Lao the Undying’s, is it? It’s just a pile of bones implying that there had been dragons all over the world and one wound up buried under New York?

A:    Yeah, it’s the second one. The idea of that was that there had always been this kind of mystery that the Hand can bring people back from the dead, but we never knew exactly how, and it made sense to connect the life-force idea of the chi in the Iron Fist to the idea of the life force [the Hand members] use for various purposes, so we’re just saying it’s dragon bone that they use, that that’s the substance. That felt like the cleanest way to tie everything in.

       And it’s been set up since Daredevil season 1; Gao operates in the background of New York with drugs made from that ground into powder. It felt like we could make back alley drug deals in New York and dragon mythology all part of the same story, so that was my way of trying to tie them all in.

It seems like a waste to put some of the limited supply of an ancient substance which provides immortality into street drugs, but evidently tying things together was more important than things making sense.

So, yeah: idiocy.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2018, 02:48:39 PM
I don't remember it being mentioned in Daredevil either but I've only watched that once and it was a while ago.  I still haven't gotten around to season 2, and I'm waiting until I have nothing to do for a while before starting the new season of Jessica Jones, if I get snowed in tomorrow that might be an opportunity.

In The Defenders they only talk about the substance when they argue about how Alexandria used the last of it to create the Black Sky.  If Gao could no longer make her drugs you would think that would have come up.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 20, 2018, 03:20:14 PM
My wife and I also commented on how stupid it was.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 24, 2018, 02:06:03 PM
LucasM's Deep Thought Riddle for the Day:

What does Tony Stark do to keep in shape? . . .

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 12, 2018, 08:20:29 PM
Wow!  Two great bits of news in the same day (each title is link to the article):

Disney-Fox Deal Expected To Be Completed By Summer 2019 (https://mcuexchange.com/disney-fox-deal-finalize-2019/)

That's just over a year.  Hard to believe after such forlorn feelings with the foundering FOX franchises (try to say that five times fast  ;) ).

...and, likely also in 2019:

BREAKING: 'Jessica Jones' Renewed For A Third Season (https://mcuexchange.com/jessica-jones-season-3/)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 22, 2018, 12:02:01 PM
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Joe Russo Admits The 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' Timeline Change Was A Mistake (https://mcuexchange.com/8-years-later-mistake-homecoming/)

This is referring to the "Eight Years Later" title slate after the Avengers clean-up interrupted by Damage Control in the film.  The article, however, does not say what kind of mistake, or what it 'should' have been (if anything).  Oddly, the article also refers to Kevin Feige's comment that it would "all make sense" later, and with his having the 'sequence scroll', it is possible it still is correct, as I dare say Kevin Feige is more globally in tune with the MCU than Joe Russo.  Of course Kevin Feige can also potentially make mistakes. *gasp!*
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 27, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/N1n35Dy.jpg)

(link to embiggen: https://i.imgur.com/N1n35Dy.jpg )

I found a listing online for the actors in this picture, but I did not think to save the web address for that list so I could give proper credit. >:(

In the list I found, there are a substantial number of (I presume) directors, few of which I recognize.  So if anyone wants to fill in the names for those, please do. :)  I've added a blank line with a question mark at the front of it for each person for whom a name is not yet available.  I have numbered each of those 'question mark lines', so that if someone wishes to easily add the name for one, they can write, for instance "? 16 is ___".  Maybe we can fill in this index completely.

Name list spoilered simply for vertical length.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 28, 2018, 03:20:47 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/7w69wn/10_years_in_the_making/dtxtyhb/?st=jdetldo1&sh=74c96248
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 28, 2018, 03:13:38 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/7w69wn/10_years_in_the_making/dtxtyhb/?st=jdetldo1&sh=74c96248

Well... my post was a significant waste of effort. ::)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 28, 2018, 03:24:14 PM
Sorry :(
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 28, 2018, 03:33:50 PM
Even better... through digging around in those pages, ultimately found a link to this:

(https://i.redditmedia.com/eNYedn80lSDZzLBydXB48Cbi1w5DcgRXMnyQRX5anPI.png?s=0e2ad082b6b96e64e9058bfc926d5fb3)
Pic is same size as the original one, so the names are actually readable.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 28, 2018, 04:06:51 PM
Sorry :(

Not at all your fault.  When I was looking, I may not have looked hard enough (or long enough)... either that, or when I DID look (shortly after the pic came out) no-one had identified everyone yet, so that there may not have been any full listings at that time that I could have found. <shrug>
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on April 29, 2018, 07:54:20 AM
so, is agents of shield connected any more? ??? since they did the things they did this season, it hasn't seemed like it at all.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 29, 2018, 02:39:25 PM
There’s an infinity war reference in the newest episode.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on April 29, 2018, 02:50:38 PM
I need to get caught up with Agents. I'm still way back in last season's LMD storyline.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on April 30, 2018, 03:30:03 AM
There’s an infinity war reference in the newest episode.

If you sneeze you’ll miss it.

I’m wondering how they work in the aftermath of Infinity War to it.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 30, 2018, 06:23:38 AM
Theory

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on May 09, 2018, 01:29:46 AM
Well, much as I avoid spoilers, I've seen a couple images from Avengers: Infinity War.

I have to say, I'm not as impressed as I think I should be by the gauntlet itself:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
- - - CAUTION: NOT a true spoiler! - - -
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on May 09, 2018, 07:08:30 AM
- - - CAUTION: NOT a true spoiler! - - -

well, it did spoil my breakfast.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on May 23, 2018, 05:39:26 PM
The Disney buyout of Fox may not happen after all.  Comcast is trying to outbid Disney with more cash.  Read more HERE (https://mcuexchange.com/comcast-outbid-disney-fox/).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on June 02, 2018, 06:16:52 PM
[Please don't answer if the answer is in Infinity War (though I kinda' doubt its in there).]

From Avengers: Age of Ultron:  Is anyone ever going to address that there's (what: a 1/4 TON?) of vibranium embedded deep in the crater under where Sokovia used to be, or spread out on the surface in the area?  Clearly, from the internal workings of Ultron's machine, it was highly refined, so I just can't imagine it would simply turn to dust when the airborne city exploded as the rock did.  Any explosion large enough to vaporize vibranium likely would have done as much (or more) damage as letting it hit the ground.  [Plus any vibranium-augmented Ultron bodies would be large chunks of easily accessible vibranium to anyone interested.]

And, with that so easily available, why was Everett Ross going to pay a huge sum for a piddling little amount from a plow head in Black Panther, when there's a huge amount just lying around if someone just picked it up or dug it up?

So: who's gonna get all that vibranium and all its benefits?  I'd generally think that the Wakandans would have collected it all since they regretted it ever getting away in the first place, but that huge a Wakandan workforce (with highly advanced tools) would have been noticed.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 13, 2018, 05:39:33 PM
https://news.avclub.com/comcast-doesnt-want-wolverine-and-captain-america-to-fi-1826811614
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on June 14, 2018, 02:53:21 AM
https://news.avclub.com/comcast-doesnt-want-wolverine-and-captain-america-to-fi-1826811614

Just curious, I didn't see any info in there that wasn't in this article:
The Disney buyout of Fox may not happen after all.  Comcast is trying to outbid Disney with more cash.  Read more HERE (https://mcuexchange.com/comcast-outbid-disney-fox/).
Did I miss something new (other than the snark at the end of the article)?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 14, 2018, 03:48:11 AM
https://news.avclub.com/comcast-doesnt-want-wolverine-and-captain-america-to-fi-1826811614

Just curious, I didn't see any info in there that wasn't in this article:
The Disney buyout of Fox may not happen after all.  Comcast is trying to outbid Disney with more cash.  Read more HERE (https://mcuexchange.com/comcast-outbid-disney-fox/).
Did I miss something new (other than the snark at the end of the article)?

Yours reports a 'counter offer "in the advanced stages" that some estimated it to be in the range of $60 billion in cash,' the new one says it happened and what it actually was ($65 billion in cash for the whole lot). Seemed like an update to me.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on June 20, 2018, 10:06:02 AM
https://news.avclub.com/comcast-doesnt-want-wolverine-and-captain-america-to-fi-1826811614

Just curious, I didn't see any info in there that wasn't in this article:
The Disney buyout of Fox may not happen after all.  Comcast is trying to outbid Disney with more cash.  Read more HERE (https://mcuexchange.com/comcast-outbid-disney-fox/).
Did I miss something new (other than the snark at the end of the article)?

Yours reports a 'counter offer "in the advanced stages" that some estimated it to be in the range of $60 billion in cash,' the new one says it happened and what it actually was ($65 billion in cash for the whole lot). Seemed like an update to me.

Indeed - sorry.  I posted that in the middle of overall confusion (following two weeks of disruption caused by three cracked teeth and leading to the first of likely two root canals).

Here is the 'final say' on the bidding war:

FANTASTIC: Fox Accepts Disney's $71 Billion Bid Offer (https://mcuexchange.com/outmatching-comcast-fox-accepts-71-billion-bid-from-disney/)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: k1 on July 07, 2018, 09:26:01 AM
Cloak & Dagger isn't completely terrible.  I was worried about the characters being in High School, but it still has a Marvel "Netflix" feel to it. Real slow paced at times, but somewhat interesting to see the origin story progress.  (I think Runaways was a little better)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 19, 2018, 03:04:14 PM
https://news.avclub.com/comcast-doesnt-want-wolverine-and-captain-america-to-fi-1826811614

Just curious, I didn't see any info in there that wasn't in this article:
The Disney buyout of Fox may not happen after all.  Comcast is trying to outbid Disney with more cash.  Read more HERE (https://mcuexchange.com/comcast-outbid-disney-fox/).
Did I miss something new (other than the snark at the end of the article)?

Yours reports a 'counter offer "in the advanced stages" that some estimated it to be in the range of $60 billion in cash,' the new one says it happened and what it actually was ($65 billion in cash for the whole lot). Seemed like an update to me.

Indeed - sorry.  I posted that in the middle of overall confusion (following two weeks of disruption caused by three cracked teeth and leading to the first of likely two root canals).

Here is the 'final say' on the bidding war:

FANTASTIC: Fox Accepts Disney's $71 Billion Bid Offer (https://mcuexchange.com/outmatching-comcast-fox-accepts-71-billion-bid-from-disney/)

And the final note on this whole stressful (well, to some) event:

ASTONISHING: Comcast Concedes to Disney; Backs Out of Fox Deal (https://mcuexchange.com/comcast-disney-backout-fox/)

We will, (eventually), get MCU Fantastic Four and X-Men!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 19, 2018, 04:59:36 PM
I get why this is bad in a very general sense, but within the context of this thread and topic - it's pretty great news. More for the Fantastic Four than the X-Men though. I am a bit worried about what adding X-Men will do. BUT they've been pretty consistently smart so far, so I remain fairly optimistic.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 19, 2018, 05:19:17 PM
I get why this is bad in a very general sense, but within the context of this thread and topic - it's pretty great news. More for the Fantastic Four than the X-Men though. I am a bit worried about what adding X-Men will do. BUT they've been pretty consistently smart so far, so I remain fairly optimistic.

I agree.  In terms of entertainment monopolies, this is INCREDIBLY bad news.  In terms of the MCU, it is basically a sigh of "=FINALLY=!"

I agree on the FF > X-Men for potentially different reasons.  The FF have never been done correctly on film, while some of the X-Men films are very, very good (e.g. Days of Future Past, Logan, Deadpool).  To me, since the MCU (*cough* Buck/Loeb *cough*) fucked up the could-have-been-wonderful Inhumans franchise beyond repair, I think that the mutants could slip into the vacancy made by the vanishing inhumans (species).  [Honestly, I hope that Buck never gets to touch anything in the MCU ever again, between Iron Fist season 1 and the Inhumans.]

My understanding of how the MCU films are being done, is that they will be in longer collections of 'Phases' (e.g. the characters making up the Avengers only cover phases 1-4), so the 'super team' that is currently dominant won't be dominant for the next collection (which will, apparently, be more 'space-based' [with odd outlier, Spider-Man, about as terrestrial as they get]), then they could return to terrestrial films with X-Men.  I am hoping that the more cosmic FF stories will fit into the second over-arching phase of films (Phases 5-8 or 5-9), so we wouldn't have to wait another decade to get them.  But since Kevin Feige has had VERY long term plans for the MCU for a very long time, it is also possible there won't be any available entries for these properties for quite a few years, regardless.  [After the already-in-production non-MCU X-Men films finish, that is.]

Although, with the FOX Studios assets (movie production), it is possible that the MCU could potentially ramp up film production (I am hoping) and add an additional two (or more) films a year where the X-Men-related films used to fall.  That way, they could make either FF and X-Men films in parallel with already-planned Feige MCU plans (best option, I think), or else speed up the production of the long-term Feige plans so that they are done and space made for other franchises, sooner.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on July 19, 2018, 07:00:24 PM
I'm excited for a well done Fantastic Four movie, but I'm really interested in them finally doing Doctor Doom properly.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on July 19, 2018, 11:02:19 PM
I just like that we don't have to settle for Inhumans as the MCU's mutants. And classic pairings that just happened to mix mutants and other superheroes can finally be established. Storm and Black Panther, Deadpool and Hydra Bob, The Great Lakes Avengers can be a thing now... Ooh they can actually pull off House of M.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 20, 2018, 03:02:08 AM
Although, with the FOX Studios assets (movie production), it is possible that the MCU could potentially ramp up film production (I am hoping) and add an additional two (or more) films a year where the X-Men-related films used to fall.  That way, they could make either FF and X-Men films in parallel with already-planned Feige MCU plans (best option, I think), or else speed up the production of the long-term Feige plans so that they are done and space made for other franchises, sooner.

Long after writing this, I had a thought.  I don't think this idea was the intention (as the 20th C FOX purchase was nowhere near likely at the time it would have been scheduled).  But this year's Panther, Infinity War, A-M & Wasp films showed up in theaters roughly two months apart.  With the FOX studios film-making capacity now at Disney's command, possibly Disney/Marvel will look at the "easily met or greatly exceeded box office predictions" for all three films, and decide that the 'superhero burnout' that everyone who isn't a fan has been predicting since the X-Men first hit, is bullshit, and that the market can - and WILL - welcome as much GOOD product as they can crank out...

... and with the assets of FOX Studios increasing the number of films they can produce, they'll give us a new MCU entry every-other month.

 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 20, 2018, 11:53:00 AM
Cloak & Dagger isn't completely terrible.  I was worried about the characters being in High School, but it still has a Marvel "Netflix" feel to it. Real slow paced at times, but somewhat interesting to see the origin story progress.  (I think Runaways was a little better)

I agree on Cloak & Dagger being watchable.  I find it to be roughly of the same caliber as Agents of SHIELD, but with more 'personal' stories for the time being (don't know where they'll go after the father/brother stories finish - if they do).  That means I'll continue watching as long as they want to keep making them of at least this quality.  Kinda' true of most Marvel product, it seems, as with most of them (with the exception of Inhumans), they've managed to make most of them interesting and involved enough - without feeling contrived - to keep my interest up.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 20, 2018, 02:30:58 PM
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BREAKING: James Gunn No Longer Directing 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' (https://mcuexchange.com/james-gunn-departs-gotg-vol-3/)

In what might be the biggest blow to the MCU yet, James Gunn has been removed as the director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. This decision comes right a controversy surrounding deleted tweets by the director that jokingly and disgustingly touched on pedophilia and rape. Gunn has since deleted his account. Walt Disney chairman Alan Horn had this to say on the firing of Gunn:

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The offensive attitudes and statements discovered on James’ Twitter feed are indefensible and inconsistent with our studio’s values, and we have severed our business relationship with him.

The entirety of the Guardians franchise was solely Gunn’s vision. Guardians was the only MCU franchise whose DNA and essence were distilled purely from Gunn’s own voice. Now out of the picture, there’s no telling where the third film will end up or if the film will continue production on schedule. We have yet to hear from Gunn’s immediate superiors at Marvel Studios so stay tuned here.

Unfortunately, unless he was already scheduled for a solo film of his own, this does not bode well for Adam Warlock's presence in the MCU.

Just to be clear: I think that joking about pedophilia and rape is unacceptable, particularly on social media.  So I don't fault Disney's zero tolerance, especially given the image they've cultivated for about 80-90 years now.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: The Lurker on July 20, 2018, 02:50:41 PM
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BREAKING: James Gunn No Longer Directing 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' (https://mcuexchange.com/james-gunn-departs-gotg-vol-3/)

In what might be the biggest blow to the MCU yet, James Gunn has been removed as the director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. This decision comes right a controversy surrounding deleted tweets by the director that jokingly and disgustingly touched on pedophilia and rape. Gunn has since deleted his account. Walt Disney chairman Alan Horn had this to say on the firing of Gunn:

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The offensive attitudes and statements discovered on James’ Twitter feed are indefensible and inconsistent with our studio’s values, and we have severed our business relationship with him.

The entirety of the Guardians franchise was solely Gunn’s vision. Guardians was the only MCU franchise whose DNA and essence were distilled purely from Gunn’s own voice. Now out of the picture, there’s no telling where the third film will end up or if the film will continue production on schedule. We have yet to hear from Gunn’s immediate superiors at Marvel Studios so stay tuned here.

Unfortunately, unless he was already scheduled for a solo film of his own, this does not bode well for Adam Warlock's presence in the MCU.

Just to be clear: I think that joking about pedophilia and rape is unacceptable, particularly on social media.  So I don't fault Disney's zero tolerance, especially given the image they've cultivated for about 80-90 years now.
Yeah, but he also apologized for those comments 6 years ago.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 20, 2018, 04:50:17 PM
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BREAKING: James Gunn No Longer Directing 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' (https://mcuexchange.com/james-gunn-departs-gotg-vol-3/)

In what might be the biggest blow to the MCU yet, James Gunn has been removed as the director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. This decision comes right a controversy surrounding deleted tweets by the director that jokingly and disgustingly touched on pedophilia and rape. Gunn has since deleted his account. Walt Disney chairman Alan Horn had this to say on the firing of Gunn:

Quote
The offensive attitudes and statements discovered on James’ Twitter feed are indefensible and inconsistent with our studio’s values, and we have severed our business relationship with him.

The entirety of the Guardians franchise was solely Gunn’s vision. Guardians was the only MCU franchise whose DNA and essence were distilled purely from Gunn’s own voice. Now out of the picture, there’s no telling where the third film will end up or if the film will continue production on schedule. We have yet to hear from Gunn’s immediate superiors at Marvel Studios so stay tuned here.

Unfortunately, unless he was already scheduled for a solo film of his own, this does not bode well for Adam Warlock's presence in the MCU.

Just to be clear: I think that joking about pedophilia and rape is unacceptable, particularly on social media.  So I don't fault Disney's zero tolerance, especially given the image they've cultivated for about 80-90 years now.
Yeah, but he also apologized for those comments 6 years ago.

He left them up, so if he DID apologise for them (and I've not seen anyone reporting that he has) then he's pretty dumb.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: The Lurker on July 20, 2018, 06:20:01 PM
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BREAKING: James Gunn No Longer Directing 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' (https://mcuexchange.com/james-gunn-departs-gotg-vol-3/)

In what might be the biggest blow to the MCU yet, James Gunn has been removed as the director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. This decision comes right a controversy surrounding deleted tweets by the director that jokingly and disgustingly touched on pedophilia and rape. Gunn has since deleted his account. Walt Disney chairman Alan Horn had this to say on the firing of Gunn:

Quote
The offensive attitudes and statements discovered on James’ Twitter feed are indefensible and inconsistent with our studio’s values, and we have severed our business relationship with him.

The entirety of the Guardians franchise was solely Gunn’s vision. Guardians was the only MCU franchise whose DNA and essence were distilled purely from Gunn’s own voice. Now out of the picture, there’s no telling where the third film will end up or if the film will continue production on schedule. We have yet to hear from Gunn’s immediate superiors at Marvel Studios so stay tuned here.

Unfortunately, unless he was already scheduled for a solo film of his own, this does not bode well for Adam Warlock's presence in the MCU.

Just to be clear: I think that joking about pedophilia and rape is unacceptable, particularly on social media.  So I don't fault Disney's zero tolerance, especially given the image they've cultivated for about 80-90 years now.
Yeah, but he also apologized for those comments 6 years ago.

He left them up, so if he DID apologise for them (and I've not seen anyone reporting that he has) then he's pretty dumb.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 20, 2018, 06:39:49 PM
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BREAKING: James Gunn No Longer Directing 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' (https://mcuexchange.com/james-gunn-departs-gotg-vol-3/)

In what might be the biggest blow to the MCU yet, James Gunn has been removed as the director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. This decision comes right a controversy surrounding deleted tweets by the director that jokingly and disgustingly touched on pedophilia and rape. Gunn has since deleted his account. Walt Disney chairman Alan Horn had this to say on the firing of Gunn:

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The offensive attitudes and statements discovered on James’ Twitter feed are indefensible and inconsistent with our studio’s values, and we have severed our business relationship with him.

The entirety of the Guardians franchise was solely Gunn’s vision. Guardians was the only MCU franchise whose DNA and essence were distilled purely from Gunn’s own voice. Now out of the picture, there’s no telling where the third film will end up or if the film will continue production on schedule. We have yet to hear from Gunn’s immediate superiors at Marvel Studios so stay tuned here.

Unfortunately, unless he was already scheduled for a solo film of his own, this does not bode well for Adam Warlock's presence in the MCU.

Just to be clear: I think that joking about pedophilia and rape is unacceptable, particularly on social media.  So I don't fault Disney's zero tolerance, especially given the image they've cultivated for about 80-90 years now.
Yeah, but he also apologized for those comments 6 years ago.

He left them up, so if he DID apologise for them (and I've not seen anyone reporting that he has) then he's pretty dumb.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796)

That doesn't cover all of the pedophile and rape jokes. And these blog posts WERE taken down. I don't think you know what this news story is about?

Check the comments here for screenshots:

https://news.avclub.com/james-gunn-fired-from-guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3-o-1827757055
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: The Lurker on July 20, 2018, 06:45:28 PM
Quote
BREAKING: James Gunn No Longer Directing 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' (https://mcuexchange.com/james-gunn-departs-gotg-vol-3/)

In what might be the biggest blow to the MCU yet, James Gunn has been removed as the director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. This decision comes right a controversy surrounding deleted tweets by the director that jokingly and disgustingly touched on pedophilia and rape. Gunn has since deleted his account. Walt Disney chairman Alan Horn had this to say on the firing of Gunn:

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The offensive attitudes and statements discovered on James’ Twitter feed are indefensible and inconsistent with our studio’s values, and we have severed our business relationship with him.

The entirety of the Guardians franchise was solely Gunn’s vision. Guardians was the only MCU franchise whose DNA and essence were distilled purely from Gunn’s own voice. Now out of the picture, there’s no telling where the third film will end up or if the film will continue production on schedule. We have yet to hear from Gunn’s immediate superiors at Marvel Studios so stay tuned here.

Unfortunately, unless he was already scheduled for a solo film of his own, this does not bode well for Adam Warlock's presence in the MCU.

Just to be clear: I think that joking about pedophilia and rape is unacceptable, particularly on social media.  So I don't fault Disney's zero tolerance, especially given the image they've cultivated for about 80-90 years now.
Yeah, but he also apologized for those comments 6 years ago.

He left them up, so if he DID apologise for them (and I've not seen anyone reporting that he has) then he's pretty dumb.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796)

That doesn't cover all of the pedophile and rape jokes. And these blog posts WERE taken down. I don't think you know what this news story is about?

Check the comments here for screenshots:

https://news.avclub.com/james-gunn-fired-from-guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3-o-1827757055

And in the link you provided there's an update and a continued apology.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 20, 2018, 06:47:19 PM
EDIT: Please note, the two posts above this were made while I was writing this.

Well, some new depth to the story on James Gunn.  It is a whole lot grayer than it initially seemed (though I am unlikely to think of most things as black and white, had he actually done the things he joked about instead of or in addition to joking about them, those would've been clear 'black and white's).

These are from this article: Processing The Firing of James Gunn From Marvel Studios (https://mcuexchange.com/processing-james-gunn-firing/).  There are 'endcap' paragraphs on that page that relate to the MCU proper and how it may/may not change from this.  I spoilered it just because it is a bit long.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Next paragraph is somewhat political in nature, so some may wish to avoid it.
This statement from the article, in particular, bothered me: "Gunn’s offensive tweets resurfaced because of political arguments he’d had and an agenda to discredit him."  It bothered me because it means that Disney 'rewarded' political trolls who are - to my view at any rate - FAR more dangerous and damaging than Gunn's original comments, however offensive they may have been.  The 'personal smear campaigns' of - in particular - the (G!)OPpressive party here in the US, is incredibly dangerous for freedom as a whole.  If people are afraid to speak - at ANY time in their lives - and even say stupid things, then freedom itself will be very hard to sustain.  No-one goes through life without having carried a stupid opinion, or making a stupid sick or offensive joke, or whatever, at one time or another.  Those in power ALWAYS have more resources to destroy lives than individual people who rise up and call them on their bullshit do.  If people are afraid of that power, then we've already lost any liberties we may have had at one point.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 20, 2018, 07:06:13 PM
Quote
BREAKING: James Gunn No Longer Directing 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' (https://mcuexchange.com/james-gunn-departs-gotg-vol-3/)

In what might be the biggest blow to the MCU yet, James Gunn has been removed as the director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. This decision comes right a controversy surrounding deleted tweets by the director that jokingly and disgustingly touched on pedophilia and rape. Gunn has since deleted his account. Walt Disney chairman Alan Horn had this to say on the firing of Gunn:

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The offensive attitudes and statements discovered on James’ Twitter feed are indefensible and inconsistent with our studio’s values, and we have severed our business relationship with him.

The entirety of the Guardians franchise was solely Gunn’s vision. Guardians was the only MCU franchise whose DNA and essence were distilled purely from Gunn’s own voice. Now out of the picture, there’s no telling where the third film will end up or if the film will continue production on schedule. We have yet to hear from Gunn’s immediate superiors at Marvel Studios so stay tuned here.

Unfortunately, unless he was already scheduled for a solo film of his own, this does not bode well for Adam Warlock's presence in the MCU.

Just to be clear: I think that joking about pedophilia and rape is unacceptable, particularly on social media.  So I don't fault Disney's zero tolerance, especially given the image they've cultivated for about 80-90 years now.
Yeah, but he also apologized for those comments 6 years ago.

He left them up, so if he DID apologise for them (and I've not seen anyone reporting that he has) then he's pretty dumb.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796)

That doesn't cover all of the pedophile and rape jokes. And these blog posts WERE taken down. I don't think you know what this news story is about?

Check the comments here for screenshots:

https://news.avclub.com/james-gunn-fired-from-guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3-o-1827757055

And in the link you provided there's an update and a continued apology.

I'm aware he has since apologised, he didn't apologise six years ago, which seems to be what you were saying?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: The Lurker on July 20, 2018, 07:11:32 PM
Quote
BREAKING: James Gunn No Longer Directing 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' (https://mcuexchange.com/james-gunn-departs-gotg-vol-3/)

In what might be the biggest blow to the MCU yet, James Gunn has been removed as the director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. This decision comes right a controversy surrounding deleted tweets by the director that jokingly and disgustingly touched on pedophilia and rape. Gunn has since deleted his account. Walt Disney chairman Alan Horn had this to say on the firing of Gunn:

Quote
The offensive attitudes and statements discovered on James’ Twitter feed are indefensible and inconsistent with our studio’s values, and we have severed our business relationship with him.

The entirety of the Guardians franchise was solely Gunn’s vision. Guardians was the only MCU franchise whose DNA and essence were distilled purely from Gunn’s own voice. Now out of the picture, there’s no telling where the third film will end up or if the film will continue production on schedule. We have yet to hear from Gunn’s immediate superiors at Marvel Studios so stay tuned here.

Unfortunately, unless he was already scheduled for a solo film of his own, this does not bode well for Adam Warlock's presence in the MCU.

Just to be clear: I think that joking about pedophilia and rape is unacceptable, particularly on social media.  So I don't fault Disney's zero tolerance, especially given the image they've cultivated for about 80-90 years now.
Yeah, but he also apologized for those comments 6 years ago.

He left them up, so if he DID apologise for them (and I've not seen anyone reporting that he has) then he's pretty dumb.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796)

That doesn't cover all of the pedophile and rape jokes. And these blog posts WERE taken down. I don't think you know what this news story is about?

Check the comments here for screenshots:

https://news.avclub.com/james-gunn-fired-from-guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3-o-1827757055

And in the link you provided there's an update and a continued apology.

I'm aware he has since apologised, he didn't apologise six years ago, which seems to be what you were saying?
Did you check the date on article I linked to you, because it seems like he did apologize back then?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 20, 2018, 07:13:27 PM
Quote
BREAKING: James Gunn No Longer Directing 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' (https://mcuexchange.com/james-gunn-departs-gotg-vol-3/)

In what might be the biggest blow to the MCU yet, James Gunn has been removed as the director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. This decision comes right a controversy surrounding deleted tweets by the director that jokingly and disgustingly touched on pedophilia and rape. Gunn has since deleted his account. Walt Disney chairman Alan Horn had this to say on the firing of Gunn:

Quote
The offensive attitudes and statements discovered on James’ Twitter feed are indefensible and inconsistent with our studio’s values, and we have severed our business relationship with him.

The entirety of the Guardians franchise was solely Gunn’s vision. Guardians was the only MCU franchise whose DNA and essence were distilled purely from Gunn’s own voice. Now out of the picture, there’s no telling where the third film will end up or if the film will continue production on schedule. We have yet to hear from Gunn’s immediate superiors at Marvel Studios so stay tuned here.

Unfortunately, unless he was already scheduled for a solo film of his own, this does not bode well for Adam Warlock's presence in the MCU.

Just to be clear: I think that joking about pedophilia and rape is unacceptable, particularly on social media.  So I don't fault Disney's zero tolerance, especially given the image they've cultivated for about 80-90 years now.
Yeah, but he also apologized for those comments 6 years ago.

He left them up, so if he DID apologise for them (and I've not seen anyone reporting that he has) then he's pretty dumb.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796)

That doesn't cover all of the pedophile and rape jokes. And these blog posts WERE taken down. I don't think you know what this news story is about?

Check the comments here for screenshots:

https://news.avclub.com/james-gunn-fired-from-guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3-o-1827757055

And in the link you provided there's an update and a continued apology.

I'm aware he has since apologised, he didn't apologise six years ago, which seems to be what you were saying?
Did you check the date on article I linked to you, because it seems like he did apologize back then?

Just did, don’t see anything?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 20, 2018, 07:24:01 PM
I’m on my phone and maybe missing it - in this article? https://mcuexchange.com/processing-james-gunn-firing/
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 20, 2018, 09:40:51 PM
OK, if there's an apology from him from six years ago for these pedophile and rape jokes, someone please paste it rather than just saying it's in a link, because I can't see it.

I see a link to him apologising for some other shitty things he posted about LGBTQ people, which he also deleted. I see him addressing it very poorly before being fired, and then finally issuing a decent apology too late.

I see nothing of him addressing these 'jokes' that got him fired years ago though?

Further, he didn't get rid of these shitty things if he DID apologise for them. Which at best is stupid.

I really like the two GotG movies, and I really hate the guy that dug these up (who has said and done things in as awful), but Disney did the only logical thing here, and I find it pretty hard to feel sorry for Gunn.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on July 20, 2018, 11:51:41 PM
I dunno. It's not like he was working for Disney when he made the bad jokes. Looking at the timeline of his career vs. his tweets, he was in the middle of producing something called "James Gunn's PG Porn." He was clearly cultivating a very different image at the time. He broke free, he's been OK since. Disney must have known SOMETHING about his past when they signed him on for Guardians.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 21, 2018, 01:51:17 AM
I suspect that, as long as his old quotes remained buried, Disney was fine with him.  But when the people trying to wreck his career for the criminal act of disagreeing with their political position brought them to the attention of the media at large, Disney couldn't allow him to remain employed with them, given how it could potentially damage their brand.  [Seriously: Disney could not continue to employ someone where it was well known that he'd made jokes about having sex with children.  When only a few people knew, no big deal.]

I do agree that he should have deleted them.  However, how many of us remember everything we've written and/or have the time to search out and delete things we might - nearly ten years later - regret?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 21, 2018, 02:31:44 AM
Dunno, but how many of us work for Disney and have a high profile social media account? He should have just had an intern scrub his account. His past isn’t a surprise to him.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 27, 2018, 01:47:05 PM
Didn't get back to that comment, EJG III, but I hadn't thought of an intern doing it.  You're right: when he started to get a massive upsurge of followers, his social media accounts should have been scrubbed.  I think I just presumed he figured, "Disney already vetted me, there's nothing they have a problem with in my history," and did nothing himself.  He may have forgotten the exact comments he'd made, even though he knew there were some that were deliberately extremely provocative because of what he was promoting at the time.


Unrelated to the above:
I thought the following was already accomplished (apparently since the same writer, of a previous article I'd read and quoted here had also), but apparently it was just assumed to be the case before.:

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UNCANNY: Fox Shareholders Vote "Yes" on Disney Deal (https://mcuexchange.com/fox-shareholders-approve-disney/)

Disney finally stands triumphant as Fox and Disney shareholders have voted ‘yes’ on Disney’s bid for 21st Century Fox assets. Now, while the deal is done, the merger isn’t. I was actually mistaken in my reading of the situation in my last article about this, as they’ll still need regulation approval globally, which I neglected to take into account or mention.

There's apparently a slight possibility that some other country could derail the purchase still.  [But, honestly, if the world can somehow approve the toxic merger of Monsanto into Bayer, I can't imagine Disney being an issue.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: kunedog on July 28, 2018, 09:46:14 PM
Pretty much mirrors my thoughts (though I think he's very wrong about the chances of Gunn coming back and Disney spinning it into a positive):

https://www.youtube.com/v/pwYwvYu6Hg0

Hopefully more people will see past the politics (and through the hypocrisy) of the siuation and reach a more principled position.

Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on July 29, 2018, 06:04:19 AM
I heard this story in passing, but couldn't figure out what James Gunn played in the movies.  So then when it turned out he was the director, I didn't care as much.

I wonder why anybody has a Twitter account.  It seems like it's all downside and no upside.  Does any good ever come of Twitter?  I personally think it's the worst invention of the past 10 years.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: The Lurker on July 29, 2018, 06:40:24 AM
I heard this story in passing, but couldn't figure out what James Gunn played in the movies.  So then when it turned out he was the director, I didn't care as much.

I wonder why anybody has a Twitter account.  It seems like it's all downside and no upside.  Does any good ever come of Twitter?  I personally think it's the worst invention of the past 10 years.
He did have a large amount of control over the Guardians films, though.  I’ll miss his behind the scenes posts and insight.  Twitter is alright for keeping in touch, but you also can have a bit of anonymity if you want.  Granted the moderation is rather crap.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on July 29, 2018, 07:36:30 AM
I heard this story in passing, but couldn't figure out what James Gunn played in the movies.  So then when it turned out he was the director, I didn't care as much.

I wonder why anybody has a Twitter account.  It seems like it's all downside and no upside.  Does any good ever come of Twitter?  I personally think it's the worst invention of the past 10 years.
He did have a large amount of control over the Guardians films, though.  I’ll miss his behind the scenes posts and insight.  Twitter is alright for keeping in touch, but you also can have a bit of anonymity if you want.  Granted the moderation is rather crap.

The 280 character limit bothers me the most.  By encouraging brevity, it takes pains to discourage insightful thought.  Complex thought is out in favor of pursuing popularity through retweets and racking up followers.  I've always hated Twitter, but I've been especially hateful of it ever since I learned about the Justine Sacco incident and all the "good" people who went took pains to ruin her life for the sake of popularity.

Anyway, I guess I'm getting off topic. 
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 29, 2018, 05:00:20 PM
I heard this story in passing, but couldn't figure out what James Gunn played in the movies.  So then when it turned out he was the director, I didn't care as much.

I wonder why anybody has a Twitter account.  It seems like it's all downside and no upside.  Does any good ever come of Twitter?  I personally think it's the worst invention of the past 10 years.
He did have a large amount of control over the Guardians films, though.  I’ll miss his behind the scenes posts and insight.  Twitter is alright for keeping in touch, but you also can have a bit of anonymity if you want.  Granted the moderation is rather crap.

The 280 character limit bothers me the most.  By encouraging brevity, it takes pains to discourage insightful thought.  Complex thought is out in favor of pursuing popularity through retweets and racking up followers.  I've always hated Twitter, but I've been especially hateful of it ever since I learned about the Justine Sacco incident and all the "good" people who went took pains to ruin her life for the sake of popularity.

Anyway, I guess I'm getting off topic.

You can just follow the people whose work you enjoy and they will tweet jokes, art, etc all day for free.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on August 13, 2018, 05:01:38 PM
While off Earth, Thor became the same narcissistic, opportunistic, selfish ass he was at the start of the first Thor film.  He used - and lied to - both Hulk and Banner to get his own way, and planned to use Banner/Hulk as a powerful weapon in his fight with Hera, regardless of the potential damage it could have caused (Banner thinking he might never be able to change back).  He was a manipulative asshole with no concern for anything but his own wants.  He basically became Loki.

To be fair, his wants were to save the entire universe from being enslaved by his sister. Not to mention saving his people from her.

And he was also dealing with his father's death and a terrible side of him he only just learned about.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 13, 2018, 06:49:24 PM
Information from HERE (https://mcuexchange.com/runaways-season-2-premiere-all-episodes/) added to my continually-updated release list (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019):

Runaways season 2 . . . . December 21, 2018 [full season drops at once!]

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episode s06e01 . . . . July ?, 2019  [sometime in the month]

Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on August 13, 2018, 08:27:04 PM
While off Earth, Thor became the same narcissistic, opportunistic, selfish ass he was at the start of the first Thor film.  He used - and lied to - both Hulk and Banner to get his own way, and planned to use Banner/Hulk as a powerful weapon in his fight with Hera, regardless of the potential damage it could have caused (Banner thinking he might never be able to change back).  He was a manipulative asshole with no concern for anything but his own wants.  He basically became Loki.

To be fair, his wants were to save the entire universe from being enslaved by his sister. Not to mention saving his people from her.

And he was also dealing with his father's death and a terrible side of him he only just learned about.

And yet, he couldn't be honest with Banner/Hulk - someone he counts among his few friends - to accomplish that?  Someone who already showed his willingness to potentially fight and sacrifice his life to help others at Thor's side in the first two Avenger films?  If Thor honestly discussed how horrific Hera's rule of the nine realms would be, and how imminent it would be if not stopped, Banner would be - as he ultimately was on his own - on board regardless of the possible effects to his consciousness potentially being submerged.  The manipulation was UGLY on Thor's part.

Also, for me to believe that ANY of what you said was a component of the character in the film, none of Thor's manipulation of Banner/Hulk should have been played for laughs, which ALL of it was.  If it had been played with Thor clearly appearing desperate, it would be different.  But it was played as funny.  The result, as a viewer, was the opposite: I grew to hate Thor in that film.

Despite not caring for it, I've seen Thor: Ragnarok about five times (each time it gets more aversive).  There was no indicator in the film that any of what you've written here was intended by the filmmakers to be the explanation for what happened.  This is YOUR rationalization of the film to make it palatable.  I have no problem with that.  But to have it be an actual part of the film, there had to be something in the film itself that said any of this.  Thor spent more time mourning Mjolnir in the film than he did saying anything about what his father did prior to Thor's birth.  That tells me his emotional priorities.

Banner refused to help, it took Thor manipulating him for it to happen. Also, Hulk is not extremely open to negotiation.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on August 13, 2018, 08:41:12 PM
On the other hand, it was funny and fun.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 14, 2018, 03:06:49 AM
On the other hand, it was funny and fun.

Yes, apparently to a lot of people it was.  I didn't happen to be one of them, and I figured I'd explain why.  Not that I think people hang on my every word or something - just felt like expressing my reservations about it.

In retrospect, I should have followed my own rule: "when I am past my limits: don't post anything anywhere".  Because ultimately I may have shit on someone else's enjoyment of the film, and I regret that.

EDIT: So I just did the only thing I felt reasonable in those circumstances: I deleted my posts, and I apologize to anyone whose enjoyment was affected by my extended vivisection of the film.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on August 14, 2018, 05:20:27 PM
I certainly don't have a problem with you not liking it, I just disagree that his actions didn't make sense. I think his choices may not have been verbalized by the character, but for the reasons I said, I think they were logical.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on August 14, 2018, 06:49:13 PM
While I don't agree with all of LucasM's criticisms, I would at least be understanding of them if any of the things in the movie mattered. But they don't, because the movie refuses to take itself seriously AT ALL. Which is my personal biggest criticism of them movie, since a lot of things that happen in it should matter.
ODIN DIES! Seriously, literally the most powerful being in the Marvel Cinematic Universe dies, and the effect looks like a Twilight vampire farted. They only give Thor and Loki a moment to have an emotion before they are back to cracking jokes. There should be galactic ramifications to this, but nope we're on to the next silly scene.
Ragnarok ACTUALLY HAPPENS! The Norse equivalent of Armageddon happens right in front of the characters' eyes and the movie still cracks jokes. The Asgardians lose many of their loved ones, their homes, their heritage, their entire world, and the movie refuses to take it seriously.
The Hulk KILLS PEOPLE! And enjoys it! And the movie shows this to be a fun game. There are no character ramifications for Hulk willingly being a killer. We're still supposed to like him and hope Banner can change back.

So while I did enjoy this film, I don't take the events in it at all seriously because the movie clearly doesn't. It's a comedy first and foremost.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 14, 2018, 07:27:54 PM
Darth, I think you've hit on it: Thor:Ragnarok was an issue of 'Not Brand Echh'!!  But that comic series had no effect on comic continuity for any characters participating, unfortunately this did.

And I think that my criticisms were partly from the standpoint of taking the film as having happened, because it is part of MCU continuity.  And (probably because of my background) I couldn't get past the personality issues depicted, which led to my disliking Thor himself in the film, to even reach the level of analysis you put into it for the bigger picture.  Of those you mentioned, to me the Hulk "killing for fun" without even a mention that that is wrong stands out as the most egregious.  [Because of the way it was designed, I suspect they were tying it to ancient Colusseum 'sports', but the Hulk isn't in ancient Rome, so you are right: he shouldn't get a pass on his behavior.]  Most MCU 'heroes' are killers (Iron Man leads the pack, I think, but just barely over Cap (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962088#msg962088) - I think the only one who has never killed is Spider-Man [in the MCU version at least, he didn't give it a second thought it in the 'Amazing' films]).  But none have ever done it for sport before and shown the sociopathic glee in doing it that you point out for Hulk in Ragnarok.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 10, 2018, 06:38:50 PM
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Fox Will Be Ready to Close Disney Deal Jan. 1, Says Peter Rice (https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/disney-fox-deal-will-be-ready-to-close-jan-1-says-peter-rice-exclusive-1202976061/)

Fox will be logistically ready for its pending mega-deal with the Walt Disney Co. to close Jan. 1, top exec Peter Rice told employees Wednesday. According to sources present at a town hall meeting on the Fox lot in Los Angeles, Rice reiterated that the deal is still on track to close sometime in the first half of 2019, either in the first or second quarter. But he said that structure of New Fox — down to elements such as human resources and payroll — will be ready to go by Jan. 1. Regulatory processes will likely drag the ultimate closure beyond that date.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 19, 2018, 11:03:50 PM
Argh - Netflix just cancelled Luke Cage. Iron Fist went earlier in the week, but that wasn't surprising. This is!

Maybe they are going to relaunch them as Heroes for Hire?
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on October 20, 2018, 12:46:11 PM
Unfortunately, it may be due to the de-coupling of Marvel and Netflix.  That said, while I have my doubts, maybe it'll be back on the new Disney streaming service.
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Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 20, 2018, 03:46:40 PM
Unfortunately, it may be due to the de-coupling of Marvel and Netflix.  That said, while I have my doubts, maybe it'll be back on the new Disney streaming service.

They previously announced the new streaming service wasn’t going to impact on the Netflix shows. Also, reportedly the Luke Cage axing came from Netflix’s end, not Disney.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 20, 2018, 06:55:33 PM
Unfortunately, it may be due to the de-coupling of Marvel and Netflix.  That said, while I have my doubts, maybe it'll be back on the new Disney streaming service.
They previously announced the new streaming service wasn’t going to impact on the Netflix shows. Also, reportedly the Luke Cage axing came from Netflix’s end, not Disney.

That's unfortunate.  Well, possibly Disney will feel there's enough value to it to continue it (or a 'Heroes for Hire' show, as you said in the earlier post), even if Netflix didn't think it was profitable enough for them to continue.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 20, 2018, 07:35:26 PM
Unfortunately, it may be due to the de-coupling of Marvel and Netflix.  That said, while I have my doubts, maybe it'll be back on the new Disney streaming service.
They previously announced the new streaming service wasn’t going to impact on the Netflix shows. Also, reportedly the Luke Cage axing came from Netflix’s end, not Disney.

That's unfortunate.  Well, possibly Disney will feel there's enough value to it to continue it (or a 'Heroes for Hire' show, as you said in the earlier post), even if Netflix didn't think it was profitable enough for them to continue.

From what I've been reading it was "creative differences" that killed the show, I guess Netflix didn't like the ideas and scripts that were written for season 3 and no one could come up with a compromise.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 21, 2018, 03:18:56 AM
Unfortunately, it may be due to the de-coupling of Marvel and Netflix.  That said, while I have my doubts, maybe it'll be back on the new Disney streaming service.
They previously announced the new streaming service wasn’t going to impact on the Netflix shows. Also, reportedly the Luke Cage axing came from Netflix’s end, not Disney.

That's unfortunate.  Well, possibly Disney will feel there's enough value to it to continue it (or a 'Heroes for Hire' show, as you said in the earlier post), even if Netflix didn't think it was profitable enough for them to continue.

From what I've been reading it was "creative differences" that killed the show, I guess Netflix didn't like the ideas and scripts that were written for season 3 and no one could come up with a compromise.

That's a shame if it's the case. Usually you just get a new showrunner in that kind of situation though? Netflix are pretty notoriously 'the numbers say this, so this is how you need to structure your show' though.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 21, 2018, 07:27:32 AM
Unfortunately, it may be due to the de-coupling of Marvel and Netflix.  That said, while I have my doubts, maybe it'll be back on the new Disney streaming service.
They previously announced the new streaming service wasn’t going to impact on the Netflix shows. Also, reportedly the Luke Cage axing came from Netflix’s end, not Disney.

That's unfortunate.  Well, possibly Disney will feel there's enough value to it to continue it (or a 'Heroes for Hire' show, as you said in the earlier post), even if Netflix didn't think it was profitable enough for them to continue.

From what I've been reading it was "creative differences" that killed the show, I guess Netflix didn't like the ideas and scripts that were written for season 3 and no one could come up with a compromise.

That's a shame if it's the case. Usually you just get a new showrunner in that kind of situation though? Netflix are pretty notoriously 'the numbers say this, so this is how you need to structure your show' though.

Now I'm reading that the creative differences were between Disney and Marvel, that would make more sense, if those 2 were at a deadlock Netflix would be wasting money trying to keep going no matter what the view numbers were.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on October 21, 2018, 04:16:47 PM
You know what I'd LOVE in Avengers 4? Yes, I know it's not going to happen(probably not anytime soon anyway), but I'd love for there to be an Avengers movie where Wanda introduces the Avengers to her Dad.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on October 22, 2018, 12:50:55 PM
You know what I'd LOVE in Avengers 4? Yes, I know it's not going to happen(probably not anytime soon anyway), but I'd love for there to be an Avengers movie where Wanda introduces the Avengers to her Dad.
"And this is my boyfriend, Vision. He's three years old."
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on October 22, 2018, 02:33:35 PM
Well in any case Vision
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Post by: LucasM on November 29, 2018, 07:34:09 PM
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BREAKING: Daredevil Cancelled by Netflix (https://mcuexchange.com/breaking-daredevil-cancelled-by-netfix/)

The biggest domino has now fallen, as Netflix, in a statement made to Deadline earlier this evening, has cancelled its headlining Marvel show despite rave reviews over the 3rd season, which aired only a month ago.
   
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Marvel’s Daredevil will not return for a fourth season on Netflix,” the streamer said in a statement tonight to Deadline. “We are tremendously proud of the show’s last and final season and although it’s painful for the fans, we feel it best to close this chapter on a high note. We’re thankful to our partners at Marvel, showrunner Erik Oleson, the show’s writers, stellar crew and incredible cast including Charlie Cox as Daredevil himself, and we’re grateful to the fans who have supported the show over the years.

Given this  fairly recent announcements of Iron Fist and Luke Cage  cancellations, this hardly comes as a surprise, but does appear to officailly signal that the end of the MCU on Netflix is imminent, and likely will not last beyond Season 3 of Jessica Jones and Season 2 of Punisher. The writing has been on the wall from the noticeable lack of marketing for recent seasons of these shows to the apparent removal of the Defenders Facebook page, but the saddest sign of all being that, while it originally seemed like Netflix and Marvel were entering into a broader agreement by releasing four shows in one year, it now seems possible, if not likely, that this was only because Netflix wanted to get their commitments out of the way so that they could focus on properties produced in house.

Daredevil brought us some truly tremendous moments. From bringing characters like Matt Murdock, Wilson Fisk, and Frank Castle to life to revolutionizing the one-shot fight scene, the show will have a lasting legacy moreso than the other MCU Netflix properties, and you can’t help but wonder what Marvel will do with these characters and actors in the longterm. Will they wait years before trying to reboot with a whole new cast, or will they will try to continue the story at some point on the streaming service? My guess would be the former, but we’ll just have to wait and see.

Not sure of the likelihood of R-rated material on Disney+, unless the have a "Disney After Hours" with more intense material that can be opted-in for, or under parental control.
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Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 29, 2018, 09:09:12 PM
Ahhhh shit.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on November 30, 2018, 01:44:18 AM
You know what I'd LOVE in Avengers 4? Yes, I know it's not going to happen(probably not anytime soon anyway), but I'd love for there to be an Avengers movie where Wanda introduces the Avengers to her Dad.

Weren't her parents killed by a bomb built by Stark Enterprises?  Hence her and Pietro's initial hatred of Tony Stark.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 30, 2018, 02:57:27 AM
You know what I'd LOVE in Avengers 4? Yes, I know it's not going to happen(probably not anytime soon anyway), but I'd love for there to be an Avengers movie where Wanda introduces the Avengers to her Dad.

Weren't her parents killed by a bomb built by Stark Enterprises?  Hence her and Pietro's initial hatred of Tony Stark.

True.  But with Disney's Fox adoption, possibly they can ret-con it to what I think Russoguru was aiming for (possibly revealing that the ones dying with the Stark bomb were the adoptive parents): Wanda introducing the Avengers to her ACTUAL dad, Magneto. :)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 04, 2018, 12:06:37 AM
https://news.avclub.com/forget-iron-fist-marvel-studios-is-making-a-shang-chi-1830839668
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on December 04, 2018, 10:11:12 AM
https://news.avclub.com/forget-iron-fist-marvel-studios-is-making-a-shang-chi-1830839668
If they want an Asian character, I'd rather see a spinoff movie or show based on Wong from the Dr. Strange movie.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 04, 2018, 03:01:16 PM
https://news.avclub.com/forget-iron-fist-marvel-studios-is-making-a-shang-chi-1830839668
If they want an Asian character, I'd rather see a spinoff movie or show based on Wong from the Dr. Strange movie.

Why not both?* Shang Chi is fun. Plus, he's the son of Fu Man Chu, so there's a MST3K connection to the MCU now.

(* I'd argue it's better for them to give the first Asian character their own franchise rather than making them spin out of a white dude's anyway)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on December 06, 2018, 10:21:08 AM
https://www.polygon.com/2018/12/6/18128947/avengers-infinity-war-thanos-snap-name

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Post by: Pak-Man on December 06, 2018, 10:38:34 AM
EDIT: Spoilered in case the name of Thanos' snap is a big spoiler to anyone.

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Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 15, 2019, 05:26:13 PM
A massive picture of all the dead in the MCU.  Spoilery, obviously, if you haven't seen the films.
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Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on February 15, 2019, 06:16:36 PM
"Some people move on, not us"... almost sounds like me when I'm talking to my therapist.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on February 17, 2019, 06:35:56 PM
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Jeph Loeb Says He Won't Be Surprised if Cancelled Marvel-Netflix Shows Get Revived (https://mcuexchange.com/jeph-loeb-netflix-hopeful/)
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I would not be surprised if any of those things reemerged. It depends on showrunner, it depends on availability of cast, all of those things. It’s not like we’re a doctor show where the show got canceled because of bad ratings. These are shows that have very different reasons [for ending], most of which I’m not at liberty to talk about, nor should anyone really care at the end of day.

So possibly Hulu will revive them after the two-year 'no compete' clause that prevents Marvel using these characters again during that time period that was apparently written into the Marvel/Netflix contracts.  A Hulu exec already expressed interest (https://mcuexchange.com/hulu-cancelled-marvel-netflix-shows/) in those and other Marvel shows.
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Post by: LucasM on February 18, 2019, 07:44:58 PM
And, as expected:
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'Jessica Jones' and 'The Punisher' Officially Cancelled by Netflix (https://mcuexchange.com/jessica-jones-punisher-cancelled-netflix/)

Bernthal's The Punisher, however, won't be returning, regardless of Disney/Marvel/Hulu:
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Jon Bernthal Bids Goodbye to 'Punisher' Role Ahead of Official Cancellation Announcement (https://mcuexchange.com/jon-bernthal-farewell-punisher-netflix/)
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Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 13, 2019, 09:12:47 PM
https://news.avclub.com/marvels-taps-destin-daniel-cretton-to-direct-shang-chi-1833273295
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Post by: LucasM on March 15, 2019, 04:26:05 PM
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BREAKING: James Gunn Will Return To Direct 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' (https://mcuexchange.com/james-gunn-returns-gotg-vol-3/)

Today, Deadline dropped a huge bombshell on the matter: Gunn’s back for the third film. According to the trade, Disney’s decision to bring back Gunn into the billion-dollar cosmic universe he built from the ground was made several months ago after several meetings with Gunn and Kevin Feige‘s Marvel Studios team.
. . .
Shortly after he was fired, Gunn was quickly tapped by the Distinguished Competition to direct the sequel to their mega-hit Suicide Squad, further complicating the situation. Interestingly enough, Gunn has also received Disney’s good graces to push through with DC’s villain team-up, further delaying an already-delayed Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3.
:clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on March 15, 2019, 06:14:36 PM
Okay now I can breathe a sigh of relief, I think. I mean FFS he gave us GOTG 1 and 2, which were both smashes financially and artistically.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on March 19, 2019, 12:08:10 PM
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The Disney-Fox Acquisition To Officially Take Effect Tomorrow (https://mcuexchange.com/fox-disney-acquisition-mcu-effect/)

Quicker than expected - yet longer for FF and X-men to return than it should have been.

(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/54433431_10213731036611540_5365722605900791808_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_eui2=AeG0NoR8_IO1mScVwCFkqwvbnkInBebOAsN553OzlV4KS8mBTYA4aqojTdfzD5nZ1I9-X04H9HbGMrdD02wqVdYhVPW276Ebf3VDQW6qHSbppw&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=1c5dcb4334f656bbd822247cd5130392&oe=5D0B6A79)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on March 21, 2019, 05:57:40 PM
Frankly, I think its best to not rush into it and it was good they didn't count their chickens or anything.  Don't want to end up in with an weaker movie because you were in a rush to get it out there.  Plus, there's lots of stuff coming to keep us entertained until they whip up their new big guns.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on March 21, 2019, 10:05:35 PM
I thought it might be a better idea that they introduce and use the Fantastic Four in other Avengers films or something. As I recall the FF were on the Avengers roster for a long time.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 21, 2019, 10:45:46 PM
They may use the FF to change the entire reality. Merge dimensions or something.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on May 04, 2019, 11:45:19 AM
An interesting graphic on screen time for core (original) Avengers team members through the four Avengers films.  Spoilered since has Endgame screen time included.
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Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on May 08, 2019, 03:12:17 PM
I've actually been curious about how that figure works out for the whole MCU. I tried to look it up the other day, but the Internet has failed me. Which character has made the most appearances in the MCU?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 08, 2019, 05:18:01 PM
I've actually been curious about how that figure works out for the whole MCU. I tried to look it up the other day, but the Internet has failed me. Which character has made the most appearances in the MCU?

According to a movie trivia thing I saw the last time I was at the movies, it's Captain America. I would have guessed Iron Man.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on May 09, 2019, 11:58:11 AM
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/59738210_1149300098526961_1532142463731367936_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=1838fbe5dbd9a775ef21cbedd2d963ab&oe=5D776B80)

Apparently Cameron posted this to Facebook or Twitter or some other social media site.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on June 01, 2019, 06:10:58 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61557435_10158086454815752_5294432041482321920_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQlKhzfYAVwYIVQt-oBuEoOlIKHm-3upw6eU3NsAJL0Vyv3hIZHLzTnIo2rAGJsGrWXMta1oOadXy7TTu0U_wLjO&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=1c45521536cd4f96ca7cf7469b28e49f&oe=5D538587)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on June 01, 2019, 10:33:30 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61557435_10158086454815752_5294432041482321920_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQlKhzfYAVwYIVQt-oBuEoOlIKHm-3upw6eU3NsAJL0Vyv3hIZHLzTnIo2rAGJsGrWXMta1oOadXy7TTu0U_wLjO&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=1c45521536cd4f96ca7cf7469b28e49f&oe=5D538587)

don't let him see the 2009 version of star trek.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on June 01, 2019, 10:39:19 PM
don't let him see the 2009 version of star trek.
...Oh I get it, because seeing himself in it would no doubt rip a hole in the space time continuum?  :o
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 03, 2019, 02:09:59 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61557435_10158086454815752_5294432041482321920_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQlKhzfYAVwYIVQt-oBuEoOlIKHm-3upw6eU3NsAJL0Vyv3hIZHLzTnIo2rAGJsGrWXMta1oOadXy7TTu0U_wLjO&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=1c45521536cd4f96ca7cf7469b28e49f&oe=5D538587)
Even with Peter Parker being a kid I think he would have to have enough geek cred to tell Thor not to watch the prequels.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 03, 2019, 10:40:45 PM
Even with Peter Parker being a kid I think he would have to have enough geek cred to tell Thor not to watch the prequels.

He's young enough to like them though.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on June 03, 2019, 11:27:22 PM
I bet if Footloose belonged to Disney Tom Holland would have said "Yeah Starlord! Totally, Footloose is the greatest movie in history!".
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 04, 2019, 06:04:01 AM
Even with Peter Parker being a kid I think he would have to have enough geek cred to tell Thor not to watch the prequels.

He's young enough to like them though.
Do kids in their late teens actually like the prequels now, though? I can understand being a guilty pleasure since they saw them as little kids. But once they're old enough to actually know something about movies, I would think they'd at least see the issues with them.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on June 04, 2019, 06:30:01 AM
Do kids in their late teens actually like the prequels now, though? I can understand being a guilty pleasure since they saw them as little kids. But once they're old enough to actually know something about movies, I would think they'd at least see the issues with them.
I was trying to find some data on IMDB to give me a definitive answer to that question and it seems like those under 18 give Phantom Menace the lowest score of all the age demographics, which is if I'm reading the data right about a 5.8/10 and I'm guessing that's the median? Mean? I'm not entirely sure how to interpret everything. For attack of the clones it seems to be just a tiny bit lower, about a 5.7/10. But from there suddenly the score skyrockets for Revenge of the Sith all the way to a 7.5/10. Again, that's the average score for males and females under 18. The other age groups 18-29, 30-44, and 45+ all give similar scores, with little variance.

Does anybody think the 3rd season of Jessica Jones is going to address the snap?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on June 04, 2019, 07:35:58 AM
Yeah, the youngsters completely and (mostly) unironically love Star Wars prequels. I think they're derided by older fans because they were being targeted at the younger audience, and it worked!

It's these NEW Star Wars movies that they don't like.

And so it will probably continue...
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 04, 2019, 07:27:38 PM
Yeah, the youngsters completely and (mostly) unironically love Star Wars prequels. I think they're derided by older fans because they were being targeted at the younger audience, and it worked!

It's these NEW Star Wars movies that they don't like.

And so it will probably continue...

Bingo.

It's no different than people who were kids in the 80s liking garbage from the 80s etc. People like what they grow up with.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 20, 2019, 08:03:54 PM
SDCC announcement.  MCU release update:  BIG deal (includes five Disney+ show release dates)!

May 1, 2020 -- Black Widow
Fall 2020 -- Falcon and Winter Soldier
November 6, 2020 -- The Eternals
February 12, 2021 -- Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings
Spring 2021 -- WandaVision
May 7, 2021 -- Doctor Strange 2: In The Multiverse of Madness
Spring 2021 -- Loki
Summer 2021 -- "What If?" animated series
Fall 2021 -- Hawkeye
November 5, 2021 -- Thor: Love and Thunder

From here: https://www.gamesradar.com/thor-4-love-and-thunder-sdcc-2019-release-date/
The article actually has a spoiler for Thor 4 in it (one likely impossible to NOT hear over the next 2+ years, but still...).

As usual, I'll be adding this new information to my continuously-updated chronology/upcoming listing (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on July 20, 2019, 08:11:16 PM
The only thing that worries me is the cost of Disney+... how much is that going to be per month? Because I might actually have to drop my Amazon prime subscription so I can watch Loki, WandaVision, Hawkeye, What If? but most importantly The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 20, 2019, 08:17:10 PM
The only thing that worries me is the cost of Disney+... how much is that going to be per month? Because I might actually have to drop my Amazon prime subscription so I can watch Loki, WandaVision, Hawkeye, What If? but most importantly The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

My understanding is that, to get quick market penetration, they are starting at something like $6.99 or $7.99 a month.  No idea if they will keep it at that level.  If it became an either/or, I'll ultimately drop Netflix.  I have to FIGHT to find things to watch on there (particularly since Sense8, then the Marvel shows, were canceled).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on July 20, 2019, 08:18:03 PM
Okay now that's a price I can deal with, assuming they don't keep increasing it over time.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: The Lurker on July 20, 2019, 08:21:46 PM
I remember that one of the first announcements regarding the service was that it was going to be cheaper than Netflix.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 20, 2019, 08:26:09 PM
One interesting thing about that announcement?  The title for the already-reserved release spot of July 31, 2020 STILL has no title to go with it.  And the other MCU films we knew were in production already are all covered by the other dates.  Was there a Black Panther 2 or a Spider-Man 3 film that is already in production for a next-year release that I don't remember hearing of?


Oh, and something I was pleased to see is that Shang-Chi will address the actual Mandarin!  [Likely the only film in which it wouldn't have seemed racist to have an Asian enemy/evil stereotype of the Fu Manchu style.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 20, 2019, 08:38:44 PM
I'm surprised to see no Black-Panther 2 or Guardians of the Galaxy 3 in there. We know they are already in early production, but it looks like they are going to go for a really quick and short phase this time.

I suspect it will be the 'breather' phase before 5 introduces the X-Men, which will likely take up a fair bit of real estate.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 20, 2019, 08:40:58 PM
One interesting thing about that announcement?  The title for the already-reserved release spot of July 31, 2020 STILL has no title to go with it. 

I have an answer for you!

https://screenrant.com/marvel-movie-2020-release-date-mcu/

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The untitled film originally slated for release on July 31, 2020 has now been removed from the schedule with no new release date announced.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 20, 2019, 08:55:53 PM
And more BIG news:

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At the end of the panel, Feige had one more ace up his sleeve, revealing that a Fantastic Four movie set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is on the way, as well as mentioning Black Panther 2, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, Captain Marvel 2 and Blade. No word just yet on any casting or release dates.
from here: https://www.gamesradar.com/marvel-fantastic-four-mcu-sdcc-2019-announcement/
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 20, 2019, 09:18:28 PM
Ghost Rider and Helstrom are missing from your upcoming list, Lucas. :)

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/07/gabriel-luna-on-whether-hulus-ghost-rider-will-change-his-version-of-robbie-reyes/ (No date yet)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 20, 2019, 09:20:34 PM
Although now I see they may not be connected to the MCU? That would be a weird way to go.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on July 20, 2019, 09:38:51 PM
So do we still not know who Keanu Reeves is playing?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on July 20, 2019, 09:40:12 PM
Although now I see they may not be connected to the MCU? That would be a weird way to go.

agents of shield (where robbie first showed up as ghost rider) has only been tenuously connected for a while now, so it's not that weird.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 20, 2019, 09:47:10 PM
Although now I see they may not be connected to the MCU? That would be a weird way to go.

agents of shield (where robbie first showed up as ghost rider) has only been tenuously connected for a while now, so it's not that weird.

Sure, but they seem to be suggesting GR is maybe not even in continuity, AoS is just playing off to the side rather than out of canon
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 21, 2019, 06:06:33 AM
So do we still not know who Keanu Reeves is playing?

I thought he was "in talks" rather than confirmed.

My hope?  Eternity, the living embodiment of the totality of the universe.  Or Mr. Immortal, the hapless superhero whose only power/skill is "gets back up from dying".  Both would be great directions.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on July 21, 2019, 11:03:54 AM
I really hope X-Men leads into Avengers 5. Also, is there any chance at all that Disney will be gracious enough to consider casting Ian Mackellan and Patrick Stewart back into their respective roles? I feel a lot of hope for that possibility since they brought JK Simmons back.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on July 22, 2019, 06:11:38 AM
I really hope X-Men leads into Avengers 5. Also, is there any chance at all that Disney will be gracious enough to consider casting Ian Mackellan and Patrick Stewart back into their respective roles? I feel a lot of hope for that possibility since they brought JK Simmons back.
It's going to be at least several years before any X-Men movie, we'll be lucky if they are still alive by then. And since Marvel won't want to confuse timelines with the Fox movies, we won't get McAvoy or Fassbender either.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on July 22, 2019, 06:36:23 PM
I really hope X-Men leads into Avengers 5. Also, is there any chance at all that Disney will be gracious enough to consider casting Ian Mackellan and Patrick Stewart back into their respective roles? I feel a lot of hope for that possibility since they brought JK Simmons back.
It's going to be at least several years before any X-Men movie, we'll be lucky if they are still alive by then. And since Marvel won't want to confuse timelines with the Fox movies, we won't get McAvoy or Fassbender either.

True - the last thing Feige would want would be to confuse people about which continuity they fit in.  And with MCU casting being spot-on for virtually everyone in the MCU thus far, I don't see recasting the X-Men prior to consistently good films as being a bad thing (rather than the roughly 1-in-3 being really good as in the Fox films).  From the way things were stated (as vague as they were) in the Feige Hall H announcement, the X-Men should show up roughly around the same time as the FF.  So possibly 3-4 years (which doesn't differ significantly from what Feige has said since the 20th C Fox purchase went through).

In addition, when filming finished for Logan, Patrick Stewart said that, Like Jackman for Wolverine, he felt that his stint as Prof X was done, and he stated clearly that he wouldn't reprise the role.  During the interview where he said this (a UK late night talk show series called, "The Graham Norton Show"), Jackman was initially surprised, but quickly understood (and appeared to be honored by that decision occurring on 'his' film), as that film really WAS a fitting ending for both actor/characters.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on July 22, 2019, 08:13:34 PM
I actually wouldn't be surprised to see a Deadpool flick before we get X-Men. He's in a unique position to be able to wink and joke about actor changes, questionable continuity, etc. They wouldn't necessarily even have to integrate him into the MCU. (He was never really integrated into the X-Men universe...)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on July 23, 2019, 06:40:05 AM
I actually wouldn't be surprised to see a Deadpool flick before we get X-Men. He's in a unique position to be able to wink and joke about actor changes, questionable continuity, etc. They wouldn't necessarily even have to integrate him into the MCU. (He was never really integrated into the X-Men universe...)
The fact that Disney told Fox to keep making Deadpool movies like they have been shows a surprisingly mature attitude towards it. You'd think they'd grab hold of the reigns immediately because it is such a cash cow.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on July 23, 2019, 11:39:21 AM
I'd like to know what Deadpool was doing in the five year blip. Touring with his Beatles cover band maybe?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 12, 2019, 07:17:17 PM
In case anyone is particularly interested in the Marvel/Netflix shows (and has money to spare), a number of items from the series are being auctioned off today.

HERE is the link. (https://marvel.propstoreauction.com/m/view-auctions/catalog/id/198/?page=1&linkId=71635862&items=96)

DeKnight bought the first iteration of Daredevil's costume for $55,000, which apparently will go in his production studio.  [Reference, though the price was found on the auction website. (https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/08/12/daredevil-canceled-netflix-costume-auction-marvel-steven-deknight/)]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 18, 2019, 12:30:28 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69444510_2518628508218408_295560721389846528_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQlj7e8f4VRz-ugat9nge6kvM5nMBhyFccQTsJjhN9EXoeDNE2f-19_HCMIC1XNqXK_n3S-sGaVfHan1Cwmp0F0I&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=001b8fc68267dcd88b6cf6714ec0956a&oe=5DE4D7E3)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 20, 2019, 07:37:46 PM
Shit:
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Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feige’s Involvement In ‘Spider-Man’ (https://deadline.com/2019/08/kevin-feige-spider-man-franchise-exit-disney-sony-dispute-avengers-endgame-captain-america-winter-soldier-tom-rothman-bob-iger-1202672545/)

Marvel rightly wanted more money from Sony, for basically MAKING the studio successful with Spider-Man (finally), and giving Sony their highest-grossing film EVER.  Sony was greedy.  End talks.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on August 21, 2019, 04:11:50 PM
Shit:
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Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feige’s Involvement In ‘Spider-Man’ (https://deadline.com/2019/08/kevin-feige-spider-man-franchise-exit-disney-sony-dispute-avengers-endgame-captain-america-winter-soldier-tom-rothman-bob-iger-1202672545/)

Marvel rightly wanted more money from Sony, for basically MAKING the studio successful with Spider-Man (finally), and giving Sony their highest-grossing film EVER.  Sony was greedy.  End talks.
I guarantee you this is not the end. Marvel/Disney will do whatever it takes to make sure that Spiderman 3-... I mean the next Spiderman installment is part of the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 21, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
Shit:
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Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feige’s Involvement In ‘Spider-Man’ (https://deadline.com/2019/08/kevin-feige-spider-man-franchise-exit-disney-sony-dispute-avengers-endgame-captain-america-winter-soldier-tom-rothman-bob-iger-1202672545/)
Marvel rightly wanted more money from Sony, for basically MAKING the studio successful with Spider-Man (finally), and giving Sony their highest-grossing film EVER.  Sony was greedy.  End talks.
I guarantee you this is not the end. Marvel/Disney will do whatever it takes to make sure that Spiderman 3-... I mean the next Spiderman installment is part of the MCU.

Yeah, there's obviously more to the story.  New article [HERE (https://nerdist.com/article/marvel-sony-end-spider-man-partnership/)] suggests Disney wanted 50% of ALL Spider-Man related films (even ones they don’t produce!).  I think that Disney asking for 50% of ALL of them is insane.  Had I been Sony, I would have turned that down flat as well.  But 50% of films that Feige helped produce?  That seems INCREDIBLY reasonable (except, apparently, to the exceptionally greedy).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on August 21, 2019, 10:19:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kFebE4a.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on August 22, 2019, 10:22:17 AM
So was the MCU, which is why we haven't seen you shot since 2012.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on August 22, 2019, 08:35:54 PM
I also don't think that Sony will reboot Spider-Man entirely. There's no reason they can't make more movies with Tom Holland and just not mention other MCU characters.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on August 22, 2019, 08:39:59 PM
I also don't think that Sony will reboot Spider-Man entirely. There's no reason they can't make more bad movies with Tom Holland and just not mention other MCU characters.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on August 23, 2019, 10:23:04 AM
Looks like I was right(for once), I read an article on my phone this morning where it looks like Spiderman is back in the MCU. I can't find the damned article though. Well, that lasted for all of 30 seconds, huh?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 23, 2019, 12:30:23 PM
I'd love to read something saying it was resolved.  Today, I was greeted with this article of additional details on the split:

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New Details Behind the Sony-Marvel Divorce Emerge (https://mcuexchange.com/new-details-sony-marvel-divorce/)

* According to the trade, Disney was asking for a 30% share from all Feige-produced Spidey films and not 50% as Deadline originally reported yesterday.

* THR’s sources are saying that in the wake of the acclaim of Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse and box-office domination of Venom, films Sony produced without the help of Marvel Studios, executives are more confident in their ability to make their own Spidey films. The belief among executives is that they’ve “learned everything they need to know from Feige.”

* Tom Holland has an option for one more movie while director Jon Watts has fulfilled his 2-picture deal.

There was to me never an idea that Sony would reboot.  They know THIS actor, and THIS director 'work' (unlike every prior iteration they've tried), plus they know by keeping Holland, they get a 'hangers-on' audience boost from the past MCU connection.  But I think it the height of arrogance for them to think that - after five shit movies (Raimi Sp-M2 was OK, I suppose) - that watching Feige and the MCU engine work for two films was enough for them to be 'experts' on how to present the character.

But I found 'Into the Spider-Verse' to be basically a 3-of-5-star movie, i.e. average: I would not waste my time and effort to watch it a second time.  And Venom outright sucked (inadequate character development, so didn't care about the characters, and therefore, didn't care what happened to them).  So, in my mind, Sony STILL doesn't know shit about how to produce good Spider-Man films on their own.

Well, they can keep making failed ones until they give up and the rights revert.  It won't likely be for a decade or more, but sooner or later (sometime after Holland and Watts are no longer under contract, and Holland is way too old to keep playing him), it WILL happen that Sony'll just be sick of failed Spider-Man film after failed Spider-Man film and stop making them.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on August 23, 2019, 02:57:34 PM
Meanwhile, Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) gets her own TV Show! Was kind of hoping she'd warrant a movie, since her powers are kinda special-effects-heavy, but I'm sure Disney will figure out how to make it work.

https://news.avclub.com/teen-superhero-fave-ms-marvel-is-getting-her-own-live-1837520593

I've read woefully little of her book (Need to remedy that soon), but I love her every time she's crossed into one of the books I do read.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 23, 2019, 05:53:34 PM
Indeed, Pak!:
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68686022_731289530631995_8386775500663554048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_eui2=AeFToZRC-wjLnVDznIWG-lHThyCaw1-yblDq62s4PeanDHWqPRUwSVytmrVBc_S9CIY_j2r1P0XHRWWBi_PkM1bxaNhJHbQHW2ojFTNbQLwCqg&_nc_oc=AQkOhpEyg-wcXXF6M-2MbT-9MLLAezFWe3A9UIs_RE7WHGe-C4-L1Rb29icQJ9KFSikjDcJRcpAHT0AdkGpBjuJq&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=e956d3b264976a2cc9b816e6a524f18f&oe=5E07AEDC)

And, apparently, She-Hulk gets her own Disney+ series, as well!
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69262104_731299907297624_4969019317405351936_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_eui2=AeGZjbirlydHRIHE4DE2ERMbn3t_OA1X0UQ41_CfxEvaMnMckLk1pzb2Mikh2cu6xafxT2cWiy_PiEz_hO4YeZEZghKnzRdDt_54O_indSWgFQ&_nc_oc=AQmoVhojW13FNc8eS6nGLvrx02HXJ4HzQ8423HIcONFx78CeyiB7MVMFmrLT_9qGjXxBqbRmsBUSLBmhgVfMR-Jj&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=78e0fd5c77c25cb2df9cda953dc7b9f1&oe=5E06E2B7)

As does Moon Knight!
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69248461_731299290631019_4597930178776137728_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_eui2=AeF7fu34Si9_nlWzkR0BdedwJHsEYs7aAkuHqv2ixLNSVzBKhQPR8YNTDUIFYU-g5xyLH2jf5nKYD0fQ6STZ83xPYVQbYi6AmVITq4UmQeD0Lg&_nc_oc=AQlEjSeeqTqI9NRan6-cQyj5l8w0mFLcEgjF31ILXIleG51A0s28OyXuFKyGLpQjbzysADTRQ9JJ4-3klVquwvBp&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=cc42122c60611ac2404474c690d20ebf&oe=5DC7F9BA)

Holy shit we are lucky bastards!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on August 23, 2019, 06:03:08 PM
Just posted about this elsewhere.

I'm torn. All of the above would make good shows. But they would also make good movies.

Also, I still want Legion of Monsters. Movie, show, I don't care.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on August 23, 2019, 06:14:00 PM
Wow, I'm surprised those are live action. Should be interesting. I hate to say it but I am definitely getting Disney+. It's worth it for the Falcon and Winter Soldier show alone.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 23, 2019, 06:24:47 PM
Finally, an article on the Spider-Man Sony/Disney difficulties, from a non-sensationalist source (Forbes, well, less sensationalistic than fan and entertainment sites that need more clicks):

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How The Marvel-Sony 'Spider-Man' Dispute Will Be Solved One Way Or Another [Updated] (https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2019/08/21/how-the-marvel-sony-spider-man-dispute-will-be-solved-one-way-or-another/)

There's a lot in there, not least of which is that is seems that Sony may not last as a film company much longer (being likely to be bought out), at which point Spider-Man would automatically revert to Disney.  So it is in Sony's best interests to make a deal that guarantees profitability longer.

There is one thing that makes no sense in the article, however.  The author suggests Sony should add a "purchase back the Spider-Man IP" condition prior to any sale of Sony.  If the rights would automatically revert to Disney after a sale, why on EARTH would Disney be stupid enough to agree to paying a large sum of money to obtain something that would be free to them in a short while anyway?  [The only thing I can think of, that was not in the article, is if that were Sony's 'deal-breaker' condition for splitting costs and profits for all Spider-Man related films.]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on August 23, 2019, 07:17:55 PM
Ooh! She-Hulk! I hope we get a lot of lawyering.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on August 23, 2019, 09:11:36 PM
I honestly don't give two fucks about Amazon Prime anymore. Come November I'm subbing to Disney+.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on August 23, 2019, 09:34:56 PM
Ooh! She-Hulk! I hope we get a lot of lawyering.

all they're gonna do is re-run ally mcbeal, but digitally paint over calista flockhart.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on August 24, 2019, 11:51:52 AM
Ooh! She-Hulk! I hope we get a lot of lawyering.
all they're gonna do is re-run ally mcbeal, but digitally paint over calista flockhart.
They'll have to digitally stretch Ally Mcbeal because she's way too skinny to be She-hulk.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on August 29, 2019, 01:28:28 PM
If one knows they'll subscribe to Disney+, and can afford the upfront charge ($140, the cost of two years' worth, but covering three years), this is a great deal.

Quote
You Can Preorder Disney Plus For Less Than $4 A Month (https://www.scarymommy.com/disney-plus-4-dollars-month-preorder/)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on August 29, 2019, 02:22:32 PM
If one knows they'll subscribe to Disney+, and can afford the upfront charge ($70), this is a great deal.
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You Can Preorder Disney Plus For Less Than $4 A Month (https://www.scarymommy.com/disney-plus-4-dollars-month-preorder/)
What? So on November 12th I have to pay $70 up front to get Disney plus?!
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 29, 2019, 03:56:23 PM
If one knows they'll subscribe to Disney+, and can afford the upfront charge ($70), this is a great deal.
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You Can Preorder Disney Plus For Less Than $4 A Month (https://www.scarymommy.com/disney-plus-4-dollars-month-preorder/)
What? So on November 12th I have to pay $70 up front to get Disney plus?!

Only if  you want the discount, and pay up front for 3 years, and first you have to join the Disney fan club D23 (apparently you can join the free version of the club and still get an invite for the discount).  Also you have to pre-order by September 2 to get the discount.

Basically do all that and get 3 years of D+ for the cost of one year, or about $2 a month off the regular price.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on August 29, 2019, 05:47:21 PM
If one knows they'll subscribe to Disney+, and can afford the upfront charge ($70), this is a great deal.
Quote
You Can Preorder Disney Plus For Less Than $4 A Month (https://www.scarymommy.com/disney-plus-4-dollars-month-preorder/)
What? So on November 12th I have to pay $70 up front to get Disney plus?!

Only if  you want the discount, and pay up front for 3 years, and first you have to join the Disney fan club D23 (apparently you can join the free version of the club and still get an invite for the discount).  Also you have to pre-order by September 2 to get the discount.

Basically do all that and get 3 years of D+ for the cost of one year, or about $2 a month off the regular price.

AND live in the US, I assume?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 29, 2019, 06:41:42 PM
If one knows they'll subscribe to Disney+, and can afford the upfront charge ($70), this is a great deal.
Quote
You Can Preorder Disney Plus For Less Than $4 A Month (https://www.scarymommy.com/disney-plus-4-dollars-month-preorder/)
What? So on November 12th I have to pay $70 up front to get Disney plus?!

Only if  you want the discount, and pay up front for 3 years, and first you have to join the Disney fan club D23 (apparently you can join the free version of the club and still get an invite for the discount).  Also you have to pre-order by September 2 to get the discount.

Basically do all that and get 3 years of D+ for the cost of one year, or about $2 a month off the regular price.

AND live in the US, I assume?

Looks like that is the case, from the fine print below the banner announcing the offer:
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Valid for US residents with US payment method only
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on August 29, 2019, 06:50:07 PM
Always the way.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on August 29, 2019, 09:01:01 PM
As long as I can watch the Mandalorian, I will happily pay the whatever amount a month... as long as that whatever amount doesn't make me poor... I mean poorer. As it is I'll probably have to cancel my subscription to Amazon Prime so I can afford Disney+.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on September 11, 2019, 06:20:02 PM
We're into the "holy shit this is amazing!" realm of MCU TV/Disney+ production [blue text are links]:

Marvel Studios Reportedly Developing A Dozen More Properties for Disney+. (https://mcuexchange.com/rumor-dozen-disney-plus-shows-mcu/)  Yes, these are beyond the ones already announced!

According to other stories [main page here, since many have individual articles and I just don't feel like including that many links, or summarizing that much: https://mcuexchange.com/] these series apparently may include an animated Power Pack series, and a Young Avengers series.

In addition, we have a Hellstrom series coming on Hulu, to go with their Ghost Rider (Robbie Reyes as played by Gabriel Luna) series there.  With a couple other horror-type series that are in the works, they will collectively be called Adventures Into Fear (https://mcuexchange.com/ghost-rider-helstrom-hulu-adventure-into-fear/).

[Now I'm off to modify the 'upcoming' section of my MCU Index post (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019).]
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: The Lurker on September 12, 2019, 06:44:25 AM
We're also getting a lot of old Marvel shows, including the 90s X-Men and Spider-Man shows.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on September 16, 2019, 12:35:19 AM
Well... this sucks....

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'New Warriors' Fails To Find Network And Has Been Dropped (https://mcuexchange.com/new-warriors-dropped/)

After years of waiting, news has finally broke from Geeks WorldWide that some may have been dreading. Since New Warriors has been unable to find a network, it has officially been dropped. Despite high-level executives apparently loving the un-aired pilot for the show, it couldn’t find a network to call home. They even shopped it at Disney+ and Hulu, but were turned away. We don’t have any idea then why it couldn’t secure a network, since it seemed to be so well received.

Couldn’t have been for budgetary reasons, since the show was described as a half-hour docu-comedy in the vein of The Office. Regardless, it’s a sad situation all around for the cast and showrunner, Kevin Biegel, who seemed quite passionate about the prospective show. Whatever the future may hold for these characters, I’m sure it’s not the last we’ll hear from them.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on September 16, 2019, 08:23:39 AM
Well... this sucks....

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'New Warriors' Fails To Find Network And Has Been Dropped (https://mcuexchange.com/new-warriors-dropped/)

After years of waiting, news has finally broke from Geeks WorldWide that some may have been dreading. Since New Warriors has been unable to find a network, it has officially been dropped. Despite high-level executives apparently loving the un-aired pilot for the show, it couldn’t find a network to call home. They even shopped it at Disney+ and Hulu, but were turned away. We don’t have any idea then why it couldn’t secure a network, since it seemed to be so well received.

Couldn’t have been for budgetary reasons, since the show was described as a half-hour docu-comedy in the vein of The Office. Regardless, it’s a sad situation all around for the cast and showrunner, Kevin Biegel, who seemed quite passionate about the prospective show. Whatever the future may hold for these characters, I’m sure it’s not the last we’ll hear from them.
I'll probably have to check that out on a bootleg from a convention.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on September 16, 2019, 03:08:46 PM
Man, I would have thought that would be the EXACT kind of show that Disney+ would want to jump on.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 16, 2019, 05:10:34 PM
Man, I would have thought that would be the EXACT kind of show that Disney+ would want to jump on.

Yeah, it seems like a weird thing for D+ to pass on. Maybe it was going to be too expensive or something?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: F-Zero on September 17, 2019, 03:37:04 AM
I want to see my favorite Marvel graphic novel Triumph and Torment translated to the big screen; Doctor Strange and Doctor Doom battle Mephisto in hell to save Doom's mother's soul.

Either that or Emperor Doom where Dr Doom succeeds in taking over the world. 

Or Secret Wars!  Doom becomes god.

Ok, anything with Dr Doom...done right of course.  They have NOT done Doom right.  Don't get me started.  He's the ultimate apex comic book villain with no inherent super powers other than what he achieves with raw intellect and willpower.  How cool is THAT. 
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 26, 2019, 06:39:07 AM
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/ghost_rider/ghost-rider-no-longer-moving-forward-due-to-reported-creative-differences-between-marvel-and-hulu-a170730


Booooooo
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on September 27, 2019, 09:49:39 AM
On the plus side (if I may cross-post)
Guess what? (https://news.avclub.com/staying-together-for-the-kids-sony-and-marvel-strike-a-1838529276)
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/911/786/8bc.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on September 27, 2019, 09:57:07 AM
On the plus side (if I may cross-post)
Guess what? (https://news.avclub.com/staying-together-for-the-kids-sony-and-marvel-strike-a-1838529276)
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/911/786/8bc.gif)
I'm not surprised. It seemed inevitable they would work something out.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on September 29, 2019, 02:33:13 PM
I was thinking the same exact thing, there's billions of dollars at stake, the fact that they would reach a deal was kind of inevitable.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on October 01, 2019, 06:44:33 PM
On the plus side (if I may cross-post)
Guess what? (https://news.avclub.com/staying-together-for-the-kids-sony-and-marvel-strike-a-1838529276)
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/911/786/8bc.gif)
I'm not surprised. It seemed inevitable they would work something out.
I don't get anything at all from that GIF by itself that Spider-Man is in the MCU again.  Heck, the GIF might've been for Spider-Man: Far from Home, or could be just a clip from one of the films, period (i.e. with no 'ulterior motive' behind it existing).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on October 03, 2019, 04:59:44 AM
Its from one of the Raimi films.  But also, there's a link in that post.

EDIT: Speaking of links in posts, Tom Holland played a fairly big role apparently in getting negotiations back together (https://news.avclub.com/tom-holland-helped-keep-spider-man-in-the-mcu-with-an-1-1838722219).  I mean, its also likely that the end of negotiations was a negotiations strategy but frankly, I'd rather believe the plucky sweet young actor did it.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 15, 2019, 06:36:14 PM
Alright! :highfive:  As I'd hoped (and commented on being my anticipation somewhere in this thread when discussing the purchase of Fox) with the 20th Century Fox studio resources, Marvel will, starting in 2022, start releasing FOUR films a year (http://)!  (The first "fourth" in 2021 will be the Marvel/Sony Spider-Man 3, but the next year, and likely any year without a Spider-Man film, it will be Disney/Marvel.)

From my updated chronology post (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019):
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings . . . . Feb 12, 2021
Loki Disney+ . . . . [Spring 2021]
WandaVision (no: not WonkaVision) Disney+ . . . . Spring 2021
Doctor Strange 2: In The Multiverse of Madness . . . . May 7, 2021
Spider-Man 3 . . . . July 16, 2021
"What If?" Disney+ animated series . . . . Summer 2021
Hawkeye  Disney+ . . . . Fall 2021
Thor: Love and Thunder . . . . Nov. 5, 2021

as-yet untitled Marvel movie . . . . Feb. 18, 2022
Black Panther 2 . . . . May 6, 2022
as-yet untitled Marvel movie . . . . July 29, 2022
as-yet untitled Marvel movie . . . . Oct. 7, 2022
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on November 15, 2019, 11:47:05 PM
Spider-Man 3 . . . . July 16, 2021

as per the preivous two movies' titles, this one'll be called spider-man: homerun, and it'll be about petey trying to start his baseball career.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on November 16, 2019, 11:26:28 AM
Spider-Man 3 . . . . July 16, 2021
as per the preivous two movies' titles, this one'll be called spider-man: homerun, and it'll be about petey trying to start his baseball career.
:)
Are you sure?  I thought Sony wanted to save money on the next one, so they are calling it Spider-Man: Homebody, and the whole two hours just follows him around typical actions in his aunt's house.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on November 16, 2019, 11:35:18 AM
If I were Sony I'd want to call it "Spiderman 3: We promise, not a shit ton of under-developed villains."
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on November 16, 2019, 03:50:30 PM
I'm hoping Scorpion is the villain in Spiderman 3, since he was teased in the end credits of Homecoming. It seems odd that they would have done that without putting him in Far From Home.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on November 17, 2019, 03:01:08 PM
I'm hoping Scorpion is the villain in Spiderman 3, since he was teased in the end credits of Homecoming. It seems odd that they would have done that without putting him in Far From Home.
Scorpion... Chameleon. Ahh... WHAT IF...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
. I don't know a whole lot about the Scorpion, but I love this series so far because they've always done a great job with the villains so far and making their motivations relatable, crystal clear and scary AF.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 07, 2019, 05:36:26 PM
https://news.avclub.com/hulu-and-marvels-tigra-dazzler-series-on-hold-after-e-1840220940

The series I forgot was happening is on hold due to entire writing staff being fired.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on December 11, 2019, 12:16:18 AM
I was watching the Black Panther Blu-Ray.  The special features are kind of irritating to watch, because Ryan Coogler has this annoying habit of ending nearly every sentence with the phrase "know what I'm sayin'?"
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on December 11, 2019, 06:48:48 PM
I've actually been replacing some of my MCU DVDs with Blu Rays.  It's mainly because I want special features and DVDs are usually just the movie.

But I like the DVD case, so I put the Blu Ray in the DVD case.  Now I have several MCU DVDs in Blu Ray cases.  Among them is 3 copies of Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on January 09, 2020, 10:38:49 PM
https://au.ign.com/articles/doctor-strange-2-director-drops-out?sf115684273=1

Doctor Strange 2 Director Drops Out
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on January 10, 2020, 05:52:53 AM
https://au.ign.com/articles/doctor-strange-2-director-drops-out?sf115684273=1

Doctor Strange 2 Director Drops Out
This is making me concerned. I hope the studio isn't holding back on the horror elements.
The last time "creative differences" caused a director to drop out it was Edgar Wright, resulting in the extremely mediocre Ant-Man (although I am in the minority on that one).
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on January 10, 2020, 07:58:20 AM
i was really interested when i heard they were making a new mutants movie. when i saw in the marketing that they'd gone full horror, i was completely turned off. i like the weirdness of the first doctor strange, they could go further in that direction. if they veer into horror, i'd probably skip it. there's gotta be a way to do demons and ghouls without resorting to gore and jumpscares.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Darth Geek on January 10, 2020, 12:47:07 PM
https://au.ign.com/articles/doctor-strange-2-director-drops-out?sf115684273=1

Doctor Strange 2 Director Drops Out

Hmm, may I make a suggestion:

(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/guillermo-del-toro.png?w=1000&h=562&crop=1)
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on January 10, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
https://au.ign.com/articles/doctor-strange-2-director-drops-out?sf115684273=1

Doctor Strange 2 Director Drops Out

Hmm, may I make a suggestion:

(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/guillermo-del-toro.png?w=1000&h=562&crop=1)

Lol - No. It'll be some low level indie horror director.

I'd like to see Ti West, but he already had a bad studio experience.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on January 26, 2020, 07:48:21 PM
https://news.avclub.com/howard-the-duck-and-tigra-and-dazzler-are-both-dead-at-1841212757
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Pak-Man on January 26, 2020, 10:35:30 PM
Arrrgh. Howard needs to get his due. He's so much more than that goofy character from a bad George Lucas movie and the world needs to see that.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: goflyblind on January 26, 2020, 10:38:05 PM
isn't a post-credit scene and an appearance in the endgame battle enough?
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Russoguru on January 26, 2020, 11:26:46 PM
Arrrgh. Howard needs to get his due. He's so much more than that goofy character from a bad George Lucas movie and the world needs to see that.
He could join the GoTG... I mean it's not exactly outside the realm of possibility. I'm sure at some point or at least in some What if issue, Howard the Duck was paling around with Groot and Rocket.
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: LucasM on April 03, 2020, 06:44:35 PM
[blue text is link to article - there are three links in here:]
While all production of MCU properties have been put on hold (https://mcuexchange.com/marvel-studios-shut-down-production-indefinitely/) due to COVID-19, Disney has shuffled release dates for those properties (https://www.polygon.com/2020/4/3/21207315/new-marvel-movie-release-dates-eternals-thor-4-captain-marvel-2) for the next couple years.  These have been added to my updated-when-needed post of all MCU releases (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019).

I have read nothing as yet about the Oct 2022 release.  It is possible that with the hiatus of the studio for potentially 6-10 months this year, that release, which would be the first of the 4-films-a-year schedule, will be dropped.  I'm hoping not, since the other three 2022 releases are all bunched up in the first seven months of 2022, but it is possible.

UPCOMING:

Black Widow . . . . Nov 6, 2020
Falcon & The Winter Soldier Disney+ . . . . Fall 2020
WandaVision (no: not WonkaVision) Disney+ . . . . Fall 2020
Hellstrom Hulu series . . . . ? ?, 2020

The Eternals . . . . Feb 12, 2021
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings . . . . May 7, 2021
Loki Disney+ . . . . [Spring 2021]
Doctor Strange 2: In The Multiverse of Madness . . . . Nov. 5, 2021
Spider-Man 3 . . . . July 16, 2021
"What If?" Disney+ animated series . . . . Summer 2021
Hawkeye  Disney+ . . . . Fall 2021

Thor: Love and Thunder . . . . Feb. 28, 2022
Black Panther 2 . . . . May 8, 2022
Captain Marvel 2 . . . . July 8, 2022
as-yet untitled Marvel movie . . . . Oct. 7, 2022
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: Toranaga on April 03, 2020, 08:11:24 PM
[blue text is link to article - there are three links in here:]
While all production of MCU properties have been put on hold (https://mcuexchange.com/marvel-studios-shut-down-production-indefinitely/) due to COVID-19, Disney has shuffled release dates for those properties (https://www.polygon.com/2020/4/3/21207315/new-marvel-movie-release-dates-eternals-thor-4-captain-marvel-2) for the next couple years.  These have been added to my updated-when-needed post of all MCU releases (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=32583.msg962019#msg962019).

I have read nothing as yet about the Oct 2022 release.  It is possible that with the hiatus of the studio for potentially 6-10 months this year, that release, which would be the first of the 4-films-a-year schedule, will be dropped.  I'm hoping not, since the other three 2022 releases are all bunched up in the first seven months of 2022, but it is possible.

UPCOMING:

Black Widow . . . . Nov 6, 2020
Falcon & The Winter Soldier Disney+ . . . . Fall 2020
WandaVision (no: not WonkaVision) Disney+ . . . . Fall 2020
Hellstrom Hulu series . . . . ? ?, 2020

The Eternals . . . . Feb 12, 2021
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings . . . . May 7, 2021
Loki Disney+ . . . . [Spring 2021]
Doctor Strange 2: In The Multiverse of Madness . . . . Nov. 5, 2021
Spider-Man 3 . . . . July 16, 2021
"What If?" Disney+ animated series . . . . Summer 2021
Hawkeye  Disney+ . . . . Fall 2021

Thor: Love and Thunder . . . . Feb. 28, 2022
Black Panther 2 . . . . May 8, 2022
Captain Marvel 2 . . . . July 8, 2022
as-yet untitled Marvel movie . . . . Oct. 7, 2022

No Guardians?  No Superhero teams?  No Captain America?

MCU has jumped the shark.  I'll go to the theater for Shang-Chi, Dr Strange 2, and Captain Marvel 2 and fast-forward through all the rest when they hit netflix. 
Title: Re: Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)
Post by: The Lurker on April 03, 2020, 08:16:48 PM
Guardians currently has no set date, but it'll be focused on when James Gunn is done with his Suicide Squad movie.