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Title: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: RVR II on July 31, 2016, 05:53:21 AM
http://comicbookl.com/8-characters-confirmed-to-appear-in-han-solo-spin-off-movie-2018/
Title: Re: Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: The Lurker on October 21, 2016, 02:20:23 PM
http://www.starwars.com/news/donald-glover-cast-as-young-lando-calrissian-in-upcoming-han-solo-star-wars-stand-alone-film (http://www.starwars.com/news/donald-glover-cast-as-young-lando-calrissian-in-upcoming-han-solo-star-wars-stand-alone-film)
Title: Re: Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Kete on October 22, 2016, 06:52:42 PM
LIKE!!
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: RVR II on June 22, 2017, 11:01:19 AM
https://www.maxim.com/entertainment/ron-howard-director-young-han-solo-2017-6
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: SJP on June 22, 2017, 12:28:48 PM
I actually have no problem with this.  In fact, I am very much on board with this.  All it conjures up is old memories of Willow, and I don't think that's a bad thing at all.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 22, 2017, 01:06:53 PM
Yeah, this isn't really a bad thing. It's a shame to see Lord and Miller leave the project, especially so late in the shooting schedule. But Ron Howard isn't a bad director. The biggest complaint I could give is that sometimes he's kind of a boring director. But that isn't the worst thing they could do. It's not like they hired Paul WS Anderson or something.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: The Lurker on June 22, 2017, 01:11:48 PM
Was hoping Joe Johnston would get picked.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 22, 2017, 01:26:49 PM
Was hoping Joe Johnston would get picked.
That would be good. Or, hell, give it to Patty Jenkins!
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 22, 2017, 05:13:02 PM
I have never seen a Ron Howard film and thought it was better than adequate. Often AWFUL.

(Caveat - I have never seen A Beautiful Mind, but I believe I've seen anything else some one would point to as a great Ron Howard film)
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 22, 2017, 06:18:43 PM
I have never seen a Ron Howard film and thought it was better than adequate. Often AWFUL.

I'm not that quite harsh on him and I even think he might not be a bad choice for a Star Wars film... but Han Solo is an odd choice.  I feel like Han has an edge and Ron Howard is all soft edges.  Now if he narrated it, Arrested Development style...
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 22, 2017, 06:49:37 PM
I have never seen a Ron Howard film and thought it was better than adequate. Often AWFUL.

I'm not that quite harsh on him and I even think he might not be a bad choice for a Star Wars film... but Han Solo is an odd choice.  I feel like Han has an edge and Ron Howard is all soft edges.  Now if he narrated it, Arrested Development style...

The other thing is it is extremely bizarre for such a high profile director to step into a mostly completed film.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: SJP on June 23, 2017, 07:24:32 AM
If they are calling in a director like that, it might not be as complete as they are letting on.

Either that, or the plot revolved around Han Solo pretending he was a high school student in order to bust an underground counterfeit Credit ring, and everyone busted out into "Everything is Awesome" for no reason whatsoever, and Disney was not happy with the direction the film was taking. ;) (I kid, I kid!)
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Henry88 on June 24, 2017, 12:26:26 PM
The Upwards Failing of Colin Trevorrow (and Why It Matters) (http://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/the-upwards-failing-of-colin-trevorrow-and-why-it-matters.php)

WHAT THE LORD AND MILLER FIRING MEANS TO THE OVERALL WORLD OF LUCASFILM (http://www.tracking-board.com/what-the-lord-and-miller-firing-means-to-the-overall-world-of-lucasfilm/)
Quote from: Neil Turitz
When the news broke the other day that Lucasfilm had fired the directing team of Phil Lord and Chris Miller off its Han Solo spinoff flick, a few things came to mind. First and foremost, there was the shock of a major project like this making such an enormous move, especially, ahem, five months into shooting.

After that, I took a moment to see what people were saying, and it came out that Lucasfilm chief Kathleen Kennedy wasn’t happy with the style and tone of the film that Lord and Miller were making, which led me to the second reaction, which was, “Well, jeez, who did she think she was hiring?” I mean, these are the guys behind Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, 21 Jump Street and its sequel, 22 Jump Street, and The LEGO Movie.

In other words, while the pair is immensely talented, these guys are not exactly Merchant and Ivory.

But after pondering that for a short spell, something else popped into my head, as I considered the history of Lucasfilm projects and one or two external incidents that directly relate to this particular cinematic universe. It was a dark thought, a sinister one, that I turned around a bit before I finally allowed myself to verbalize it, at which point I realized that, in even asking the question, I already had my answer.

Does Lucasfilm have itself a Director Problem?

After having given Warner Bros. so much guff for its issues with directors on the DC Comics movies, it would be unfair not to come to a similar conclusion here, simply because this is what the evidence suggests.

Most of the people reading this will be aware of the stürm und drang that surrounded last year’s Lucasfilm production of Rogue One, which essentially replaced director Gareth Edwards with Old Pro Tony Gilroy, as the experienced Gilroy came in with massive rewrites and directed large reshoots which, apparently (depending on who is talking) reshaped a good portion of the movie. That, in and of itself, should have been something of a red flag, but now this happens, and the central issue is inescapable.

And we haven’t even gotten into the catastrophe that is The Book of Henry, which is basically one of the worst reviewed films of the year, is going to be a major flop, and is a pretty large setback to its director, Colin Trevorrow. This is only important, mind you, because he is the man charged with writing and directing Episode IX of the Star Wars saga, due in theaters Memorial Day Weekend, 2019.

Apparently, the big difference between Lord and Miller and Edwards is that, when confronted with the idea of bringing in outside help to reshape things and oversee reshoots, Edwards said, “Sure, okay,” while Lord and Miller were not as eager to play along. This did not sit well with Kennedy, who has a very tight hold on all things Star Wars-related, and so she pulled the trigger on them, to the great and utter shock of Lord and Miller, who figured, naturally, that things would work themselves out.

There are a bunch of interesting factors here, not least of which is Kennedy’s desire to bring in hot, young, up-and-coming filmmakers, then refusing to allow them to do the things that drew her attention in the first place. For instance, with Lord and Miller, their style is much more loose and improvisational than what Kennedy is used to, as well as writer — and long time stalwart of the Lucasfilm Universe — Lawrence Kasdan, whose attitude is “You shoot the words that are on the page and don’t make them up as you go.” It seems he was at odds with Lord and Miller right from the start, so when they rejected out of hand the notion of dealing with someone else to come in and “help” them, it was time to let them go.

No matter, by the way, that some folks in the know were admirers of what the pair was doing, even while those same folks admitted it wasn’t a conventional Star Wars film, which was Kennedy’s whole point. Of course, others have said they were overmatched, out of their depth,  and should never have been hired in the first place, so I think the only thing on which we can agree here is that no one is agreeing on anything.

Either way, the two just weren’t a good fit, whereas Rian Johnson, currently in post-production on December’s The Last Jedi, understands the Universe perfectly and, word has it, has Kennedy and her team very happy with his cut of the film. Which means that, if you liked The Force Awakens and Rogue One, you’re going to love Jedi.

Trevorrow is another issue, in that, while the Book of Henry fiasco might make him more pliable for Kennedy, the legitimate question has to be asked about whether or not he is up to the task. While I quite like his first film, Safety Not Guaranteed, I can’t say the same about his second, Jurassic World, which might have made a ton of money (and got a lot of good reviews I never quite understood), but just isn’t a good movie. Don’t get me wrong, I’m rooting for him, but this has to be of some concern to those in charge.

There’s also an important fact here that can’t be ignored: none of this is new. Lucasfilm has always had a director problem. George Lucas directed four of the first six, and while the first one is great, it’s also, in hindsight, badly flawed, and the three prequels are awful. When he brought in his film school professor, and old pro helmer, Irvin Kershner to direct The Empire Strikes Back, he let Kershner run the show without any real supervision, then was furious when the film didn’t really turn out the way he envisioned, even though it is by far the best film of the series.

It’s for that reason, in fact, that journeyman Richard Marquand was hired to helm Return of the Jedi, so that Lucas could control every aspect of the production and thus not have to deal with his personal vision being corrupted, as it had been with Kershner. There are tons of stories out there of how ineffectual Marquand was on set, as if he was nothing more than a proxy for the boss. Which, essentially, he was.

Which is sort of where we are now. It has become exceedingly clear that anyone signing up for one of these gigs in the future will have to be well aware what they’re in for, and then make the decision about whether or not being a sort of puppet for his or her Lucasfilm Overlords is how they want to spend a couple years of their career. Yes, it’s an insane opportunity to make a Star Wars film, but there are going to be a fair number of auteurs who will pass on the offer, simply because, while they might want to play with someone else’s toys, they won’t want to be instructed by said toy owner exactly how they’re allowed to play with them.

Yesterday, Ron Howard stepped into the director’s chair, a seasoned pro whose best films are in the rearview mirror, but who will almost certainly come in and do a professional job of fulfilling Kennedy’s vision, in a way that first Edwards, and then Lord and Miller, weren’t.

Because let’s face it — at this point, what has become obvious is that the vision to be fulfilled, from here on out, is Kennedy’s, and woe be to any director who thinks differently.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: guitarshark on June 24, 2017, 05:03:26 PM
Han Solo is handsome.  He's not a pretty boy.  There's a difference.  I think Alden Ehrenreich is a mix between the two.

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53323bb4e4b0cebc6a28ffa2/t/570f3922c2ea515f660398c4/1460615466800/)
(http://greginhollywood.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/alden-ehrenreich-eye-01.jpg)
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/entertainment/2016/05/06/alden-ehrenreich-reportedly-signed-on-as-new-han-solo/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1462535881494.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2J31Shudtk

If he gets a broken nose then maybe.  He's got to lose the boyish voice too.  Harrison never had a boyish voice since he was a boy.  They should cast young men from cattle ranches or Australia.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Henry88 on June 26, 2017, 12:39:24 PM
'Star Wars' Firing Reveals a Disturbance in the Franchise (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-movie-firing-new-details-behind-phil-lord-chris-miller-exit-1016619?utm_source=twitter)
New details emerge from the set of the troubled Han Solo movie (an editor fired, a last-minute acting coach hired) as insiders debate whether problems trace to directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller, or if the Disney and Lucasfilm series can accommodate divergent styles.
Quote from: Kim Masters
Matters had already reached a boiling point in mid-June when Phil Lord and Chris Miller, co-directors of the still-untitled young Han Solo movie, were in the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon but didn’t start shooting until 1 p.m. That day the two used only three different setups — that is, three variations on camera placement — as opposed to the 12 to 15 that Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy had expected, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. Not only was the going slow, but the few angles that had been shot did not provide a wealth of options to use in editing the movie.

This was hardly the first time Kennedy was unhappy with how the film was progressing. And as he looked at dailies from his home in Los Angeles, Lawrence Kasdan — screenwriter, executive producer and keeper of the Stars Wars flame — also was said to be displeased.

Meanwhile, Lord and Miller, the exceptionally successful team behind The Lego Movie and 21 Jump Street, were chafing, too, according to a source close to them. There were "deep fundamental philosophical differences" in filmmaking styles, this person says, and the directors felt they were being given "zero creative freedom." They also felt they were being asked to operate under "extreme scheduling constraints" and "were never given enough days for each scene from the very beginning."

Shortly after the shoot in the Millennium Falcon, on June 20, the world learned that Kennedy — with the backing of Disney studio chief Alan Horn — had taken the extraordinary step of firing Lord and Miller. Obviously, Kennedy knew this would set off a storm of publicity that no one wants or needs in any movie — especially one in the Star Wars universe, where every move is closely watched by a gigantic audience with a sense of ownership. It's rare and undesirable enough to fire any director. Firing established players like Lord and Miller, who have a fan base ready to give them the benefit of any doubt? That shocked Hollywood's most seasoned veterans.

Anxious to avoid an outright rupture, Kennedy is said to have made attempts first to support and eventually to supplant Lord and Miller to some degree, as happened with Gareth Edwards on the troubled Rogue One. In that case, screenwriter Tony Gilroy took on significant duties with the cooperation of Edwards; in this case, sources say, Kennedy attempted to cast Kasdan in that role. Unsurprisingly, Lord and Miller were less accommodating than Edwards, still a novice, had been. Lord and Miller declined to comment, as did Kennedy.

As soon as shooting got underway, insiders say, it started to become clear that Kennedy’s stated intention of hiring directors who would put their own spin on Star Wars movies had led to a mismatch. Some insiders say that while the talent of Lord and Miller is undeniable, nothing in their background prepared them for a movie of this size and scope. These sources say they relied too heavily on the improvisational style that served them so well in live-action comedy and animation but does not work on a set with hundreds of crewmembers waiting for direction.

“You have to make decisions much earlier than what they’re used to,” one of these sources say. “I don’t know if it’s because there were two of them but they were not decisive.” Production department heads began to complain. While the pair appeared to listen when told of festering problems, this person says their approach did not change.

But the source close to Lord and Miller acknowledges they have always worked in an improvisational style and not just to add comedic elements. "They collaborate closely with their actors and give them creative freedom that, in their experience, brings out the actors' best performances," this person says. "Lawrence Kasdan would not allow this and demanded that every line was said word for word. To appease him and the studio, Lord and Miller would do several takes exactly as written and then shoot additional takes."

Matters were coming to a head in May as the production moved from London to the Canary Islands. Lucasfilm replaced editor Chris Dickens (Macbeth) with Oscar-winner Pietro Scalia, a veteran of Ridley Scott films including Alien: Covenant and The Martian. And, not entirely satisfied with the performance that the directors were eliciting from Rules Don't Apply star Alden Ehrenreich, Lucasfilm decided to bring in an acting coach. (Hiring a coach is not unusual; hiring one that late in production is.) Lord and Miller suggested writer-director Maggie Kiley, who worked with them on 21 Jump Street.

When Kennedy felt that these measures did not get the production on track, she asked Kasdan to come to London. Kasdan is said also to have been unhappy with the limited shots and displeased that Lord and Miller were calling out lines for the actors to try from behind the monitor rather than sticking with the script that he had written in collaboration with his son. (Lord and Miller had input on the script before shooting began.) “As a writer, producer and part of Star Wars world, you get on a plane when that happens,” says a person with knowledge of the situation.

But Lord and Miller were not prepared to have Kasdan become a shadow director. With an impasse reached, Kennedy finally pulled the trigger. The next day, when the crew was told that Ron Howard would take over as director, sources say they broke into applause.

Stepping in to replace directors who have been fired is not something that many filmmakers would want to do. Probably Howard is one of the few who could and would — at least, in this particular set of circumstances. Insiders say he was concerned about how Lord and Miller would react and has been emailing with them; another source says the two have been “very supportive, very elegant.” Howard arrives in London on June 26 and shooting, which began in February and was supposed to be completed in July, will continue into the first week of September as Howard captures new material. Still, an insider says much of what Lord and Miller shot will be “very usable.”

How credit will be determined is up to the Directors Guild. What will happen next for Lord and Miller isn’t clear but they are in demand and have an open berth waiting for them to direct The Flash for Warner Bros., if they chose to take it. (They had left that film for the Han Solo movie but could return.)

While Kennedy declined to comment on the episode, just a year ago, THR did a Q-and-A with her that sheds light on her thinking. Kennedy discussed her belief that within major franchises, it is possible to “take artistic license and creative risks.” She added, “If all you're doing is playing it safe — trying to make the same movie over and over again — that's when the audiences say, 'Oh, this is just a moneymaking machine.’ But if it's genuinely in service to the art form, then the franchise concept is being used in a way that's exciting.”

But at the same time, Kennedy — speaking in the context of hiring young, relatively untested directors (as opposed to established filmmakers like Lord and Miller) — said these choices were “instinctual.” And she continued with a statement that seemed, perhaps presciently, to address what may have gone awry on the Han Solo movie: “One of the things I've come to realize since I've been in this position of keeping Star Wars going is that in addition to looking for somebody who can creatively have an impact, you're really looking for leadership skills. No one steps into these big movies without being able to genuinely lead the charge with hundreds of people and [handle] the relationship with the studio. That's a very difficult thing to do, and you don't know [a person can do] that until you get to spend time and watch somebody operate.”

There are some in the industry who see an emerging pattern suggesting that Kennedy’s appetite for creative license and risk-taking will have to be curbed. Josh Trank was dismissed from the second Star Wars stand-alone film before he even started based on problems with Fantastic Four; Edwards, who conceived of Rogue One as a dark war film, was shunted aside; and now this. For all the talk of hiring filmmakers with their own vision, observers say Kennedy and Disney may be learning that the franchise is defined by a particular set of parameters. “All of the films have been 'troubled,'" says a top executive at a rival studio. “J.J. [Abrams] was powerful enough to push back on an unrealistic start date [for the first movie] but that was a tug of war. The last one was reshot by Tony [Gilroy] for months and now this? This is a systemic problem.”

But an insider argues that Rian Johnson (Looper) shot Star Wars: The Last Jedi, set for release in December, seamlessly, proving that the right director can execute without major interference from Lucasfilm. The search for new and interesting filmmakers will continue and for many, perhaps, the siren call of Star Wars will be impossible to resist.

On the Han Solo movie, a high-level insider says Kennedy and Disney "were hoping for a meeting of the minds [with Lord and Miller] that never came." But if had Kennedy fired them earlier, another source says, “People would say, 'Why the hell didn’t you try to work it out?’ You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.”
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: RVR II on July 13, 2017, 11:29:15 AM
http://comicbooksresource.com/woody-harrelson-slipped-name-han-solo-movie/
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Kete on September 20, 2017, 10:22:39 PM
Apparently the movie is going to include the Kessel Run.  Ugh.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: BathTub on September 21, 2017, 02:02:44 AM
Oh god I hope not.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 21, 2017, 03:16:01 AM
Never thought for a second it wouldn't :P
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: BathTub on September 21, 2017, 03:45:39 AM
It's the ongoing problem with the new Star Wars films is how small they make the universe.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: RVR II on September 21, 2017, 05:04:38 AM
Apparently the movie is going to include the Kessel Run.  Ugh.
Probably going to include bulls-eying some Womp Rats as well  :-X
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Kete on September 21, 2017, 05:42:20 AM
It smells like midichlorians to me. Exploring something that no one asked for.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: RVR II on September 21, 2017, 05:45:44 AM
It smells like midichlorians to me. Exploring something that no one asked for.
Another great disturbance in the force :scared:
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: The Lurker on September 21, 2017, 06:16:34 AM
It's the ongoing problem with the new Star Wars films is how small they make the universe.
I think that was the problem with old EU as well.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Kete on September 21, 2017, 06:17:43 AM
Ron Howard sucks. They picked the nerdiest guy in the galaxy to tell the story of the coolest guy in the galaxy.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on September 21, 2017, 07:51:54 AM
Ron Howard sucks. They picked the nerdiest guy in the galaxy to tell the story of the coolest guy in the galaxy.

Eh, he's bland.

The quality of Ron Howard's direction aside, all the good directors are nerds.  Otherwise, you end up with Uwe Boll.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Pak-Man on September 21, 2017, 09:22:17 AM
Oh, I dunno. If the Kessel Run is a good story, then show me the Kessel Run! If you can make a compelling movie about many Bothans dying, or going down to Toshi Station to pick up some power converters, I'll forgive the pandering.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: RVR II on September 21, 2017, 10:17:58 AM
Oh, I dunno. If the Kessel Run is a good story, then show me the Kessel Run! If you can make a compelling movie about many Bothans dying, or going down to Toshi Station to pick up some power converters, I'll forgive the pandering.
I still want to see some womp rats bulls-eyed in a T-16 myself :o
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Kete on September 21, 2017, 10:38:18 AM
Ron Howard sucks. They picked the nerdiest guy in the galaxy to tell the story of the coolest guy in the galaxy.

Eh, he's bland.

The quality of Ron Howard's direction aside, all the good directors are nerds.  Otherwise, you end up with Uwe Boll.

Being a nerd isn't necessarily bad, but Ron Howard doesn't take risks.  Han Solo does.  They should have stuck with Lord and Miller.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on September 21, 2017, 11:36:47 AM
Ron Howard sucks. They picked the nerdiest guy in the galaxy to tell the story of the coolest guy in the galaxy.

Eh, he's bland.

The quality of Ron Howard's direction aside, all the good directors are nerds.  Otherwise, you end up with Uwe Boll.

Being a nerd isn't necessarily bad, but Ron Howard doesn't take risks.  Han Solo does.  They should have stuck with Lord and Miller.

That's not really an inherently nerdy thing.  That's a guy who likes comfort thing.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: BathTub on September 21, 2017, 02:25:29 PM
Ron's just picking up the pieces, it's not like he's starting over from scratch.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Kete on September 21, 2017, 02:28:20 PM
Ron's just picking up the pieces, it's not like he's starting over from scratch.

He's adding new characters and cutting others.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 21, 2017, 05:07:12 PM
Ron Howard was a terrible choice.

But, like, who here isn't gonna see it?
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on September 21, 2017, 05:13:58 PM

But, like, who here isn't gonna see it?
If the trailer doesn't impress me, or the reviews are toxic, then I won't. Certainly not in the theater. At best I might rent it out of curiosity later.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 21, 2017, 05:37:27 PM

But, like, who here isn't gonna see it?
If the trailer doesn't impress me, or the reviews are toxic, then I won't. Certainly not in the theater. At best I might rent it out of curiosity later.

I've read your posts on the things you watch, and I don't believe there's a trailer bad enough in this world to stop you watching it :P
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on September 21, 2017, 05:46:01 PM

But, like, who here isn't gonna see it?
If the trailer doesn't impress me, or the reviews are toxic, then I won't. Certainly not in the theater. At best I might rent it out of curiosity later.

I've read your posts on the things you watch, and I don't believe there's a trailer bad enough in this world to stop you watching it :P
I'm more selective about things I watch in the theaters.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on September 24, 2017, 10:48:09 AM
I'll go see it, mostly because it's directed by a guy I like.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Pastor of Muppets on September 25, 2017, 06:16:04 AM
I'll see it eventually.  Dunno if in theaters.  I never got around to seeing Rogue One until about 2 months ago.  I just couldn't muster up the excitement to go to the theater.  Although I did try, a few days after Christmas.  But I got stuck in traffic and couldn't make it to the theater in time so I gave up.  This story, though, seems even less interesting.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Imrahil on September 25, 2017, 12:49:40 PM
Yeah, this is one I'll probably torrent and then if it's good buy on disc.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: Kete on September 25, 2017, 12:51:31 PM
My hopes aren't too high for it, but I will be there opening night.
Title: Re: Young Han Solo Spin-Off Movie (2018)
Post by: The Lurker on October 14, 2017, 04:41:52 PM
If Ron Howard's Twitter is anything to go by, Tag and Bink are canon now.
Title: Re: SOLO (2018)
Post by: RVR II on October 17, 2017, 10:26:56 AM
Thread Title Updated accordingly.. 8)
http://ew.com/movies/2017/10/17/the-han-solo-movie-has-a-title-solo/
Title: Re: SOLO (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on October 17, 2017, 03:38:52 PM
Thread Title Updated accordingly.. 8)
http://ew.com/movies/2017/10/17/the-han-solo-movie-has-a-title-solo/
Wow, I commend them for being daring, but making Han Solo black was not what I was expecting!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Solo-Poster.jpg)
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 17, 2017, 04:45:26 PM
In Australia we have a lemon drink called Solo, with the slogan 'Light on the fizz so you can slam it down fast.'

So... I dunno. That's a thing.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on October 17, 2017, 04:51:27 PM
Also, he's that one Marvel antihero no one remembers.

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/31666/716115-solo.jpg)
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on October 17, 2017, 05:02:29 PM
In Australia we have a lemon drink called Solo, with the slogan 'Light on the fizz so you can slam it down fast.'

So... I dunno. That's a thing.
It gives people less time to eye it.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: RoninFox on October 18, 2017, 12:12:06 PM
In Australia we have a lemon drink called Solo, with the slogan 'Light on the fizz so you can slam it down fast.'

So... I dunno. That's a thing.

Are Solo cups a thing there? The cheap red disposible cups of choice for horrible frat party beer.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 18, 2017, 04:32:28 PM
In Australia we have a lemon drink called Solo, with the slogan 'Light on the fizz so you can slam it down fast.'

So... I dunno. That's a thing.

Are Solo cups a thing there? The cheap red disposible cups of choice for horrible frat party beer.

I don't think so? But frats aren't a thing here. Also I don't drink, so I'm probably the wrong person to ask :P
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on October 18, 2017, 06:52:43 PM
I don't know it's called Solo, I mean clearly he's not gonna be alone if Chewie's going to be there.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Imrahil on October 18, 2017, 06:53:57 PM
The sequel will be "DUO" I guess.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: goflyblind on October 18, 2017, 07:03:09 PM
The sequel will be "DUO" I guess.

2 SOLO 2 WOOKIE
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Variety of Cells on October 19, 2017, 08:32:34 AM
Also, he's that one Marvel antihero no one remembers.

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/31666/716115-solo.jpg)

Was he called solo because he only had one foot?
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on October 19, 2017, 06:23:51 PM
The sequel will be "DUO" I guess.
And... if it doesn't turn out very good, they can always do a remake and call it Do-over".
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: RVR II on April 09, 2018, 04:37:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/jPEYpryMp2s&feature=share
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 09, 2018, 06:05:36 AM
It's out in next month?  I thought it was coming out in the fall. 

Trailer looks OK, but there is something off putting about the music, it just doesn't feel like Star Wars.


Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: RVR II on April 09, 2018, 06:12:14 AM
Yep May 25th.

It seems to have it's moments but yeah it does seem to be a bit off to me as well :-\
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 09, 2018, 06:21:33 AM
Yep May 25th.

It seems to have it's moments but yeah it does seem to be a bit off to me as well :-\

I think it's the electric guitar, like they are trying to make young Han into James Dean or something.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on April 09, 2018, 09:37:08 AM
It looks good enough for me, so I'll definitely be seeing this.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Imrahil on April 09, 2018, 09:57:05 AM
Looks like fun to me. I'm all for stuff set in the good time period.

I'm thinking the music was trailer-specific. Isn't Debney doing the score? With some themes written by Williams? It'll be fine.

(Also, they were going more for a "western" vibe--it twangs just as we see Han setting up for a gunslinger duel.)

Love the new Imperial designs. Mudtrooper looks fantastic, like a cross between the Clone Wars and WWI.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on April 09, 2018, 05:12:33 PM
I just hope that this time... everybody likes it, generally speaking of course.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Pak-Man on April 09, 2018, 05:17:27 PM
They won't all like it. Don't worry about it. Just hope that you like it.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: BathTub on April 09, 2018, 07:44:27 PM
Definitely the best trailer, but still wish it was LANDO instead.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Imrahil on April 09, 2018, 08:58:55 PM
Why? Lando's pretty one dimensional.

Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: BathTub on April 09, 2018, 09:04:59 PM
Even more reason to give him some growth.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Imrahil on April 09, 2018, 09:12:12 PM
Meh.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Variety of Cells on April 10, 2018, 08:21:37 AM
Considering it’s Glover as Lando, I’d much rather a Lando movie too.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: motoboy on May 03, 2018, 07:15:55 AM
Wow. Less than a month and almost zero buzz on this one. Is Disney embarrassed? Saving money? Just assuming that we'll all go see it?
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Pak-Man on May 03, 2018, 09:37:07 AM
Don't know what theaters you've been going to or what channels you're watching, or what social media you use, but I'm seeing Solo all over the place.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: motoboy on May 03, 2018, 10:23:13 AM
Oh. Well I pretty much live under a streaming rock so no surprise there. Ignore me and

Move along...move along...
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 03, 2018, 01:23:58 PM
The only thing annoying me is that tickets as of this post still aren't available for purchase yet. Yep, I know... first world problems.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: BathTub on May 03, 2018, 04:37:23 PM
They've ramped up the advertising now, but yes it did start very late, I saw plenty of 'where is the trailer/poster/etc' just a few months ago.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Imrahil on May 03, 2018, 11:21:47 PM
Wow. Less than a month and almost zero buzz on this one. Is Disney embarrassed? Saving money? Just assuming that we'll all go see it?

First reviews are going to start rolling in soon I think. World premiere is May 10th.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Pak-Man on May 04, 2018, 08:15:53 AM
The only thing annoying me is that tickets as of this post still aren't available for purchase yet. Yep, I know... first world problems.

As if they were listening to you, just up this morning!

https://www.fandango.com/solo-a-star-wars-story-203806/movie-times

Of course they were waiting for May the 4th...
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: RVR II on May 04, 2018, 08:29:43 AM
https://www.fandango.com/solo-a-star-wars-story-203806/movie-times

Of course they were waiting for May the 4th...
(https://i.imgur.com/yLKAf44.gif)
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 07, 2018, 11:44:24 AM
Got my ticket for an Imax showing with reserved seating. I was very surprised how many other seats were already taken for the showing.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: RVR II on May 12, 2018, 05:59:55 PM
Harrison Ford Surprises Alden Ehrenreich During 'Solo' Interview
http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2018/05/harrison-ford-surprises-alden.html
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 15, 2018, 02:44:13 PM
Well the first batch of reviews for Solo are in and... for the most part they're fairly decent. They're not stellar like I would have hoped. The ironic thing is that while some people might have hated TLJ, I've got a feeling lots of people will come away liking Solo.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Pak-Man on May 15, 2018, 02:55:18 PM
Solo's facing an uphill battle. It's gonna be really hard for even the most diehard fans to accept anyone but Harrison Ford as Han Solo. (Probably harder for the most diehard fans.) I think we're all going to come around, but I'm expecting an initial backlash from the fans.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: The Lurker on May 16, 2018, 07:16:10 AM
http://screencrush.com/star-wars-lando-calrissian-spinoff/ (http://screencrush.com/star-wars-lando-calrissian-spinoff/)
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Pak-Man on May 16, 2018, 08:36:55 AM
If all this leads to a Nien Nunb spinoff, I'll be a happy man.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 16, 2018, 09:12:42 AM
Hmmm, maybe this could lead to a new LOC, Top 50 Star Wars characters you want a spin-off for.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: wihogfan on May 16, 2018, 05:13:12 PM
Truthfully, Ron Howard is the biggest turn off for me. His films just don't seem like what I want from a Star Wars movie. I'm sure I'll get around to seeing it, but next opportunity we have to go to a movie will probably result in us seeing Deadpool 2 instead.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 17, 2018, 07:48:39 AM
Don't underestimate Ron Howard, he's made some really good quality stuff in his career as a director.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on May 17, 2018, 08:05:45 AM
Don't underestimate Ron Howard, he's made some really good quality stuff in his career as a director.
I think he's an okay director, just not a great one. And given that he was hired after the great Chris Miller and Phil Lord were removed, clearly Ron Howard is only there because the studio wants someone they can control and who won't take chances.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 17, 2018, 08:16:17 AM
Well, I think the most important thing is that I actually reallly like Ron Howard so possibly by extension I will totally dig his vision of Star Wars.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on May 17, 2018, 08:23:53 AM
Well, I think the most important thing is that I actually reallly like Ron Howard so possibly by extension I will totally dig his vision of Star Wars.
The studio certainly could have chosen a lot worse. Like Paul WS Anderson or Raja Gosnell.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 17, 2018, 08:29:30 AM
Well, I think the most important thing is that I actually reallly like Ron Howard so possibly by extension I will totally dig his vision of Star Wars.
The studio certainly could have chosen a lot worse. Like Paul WS Anderson or Raja Gosnell.
Or that one other choice that I will not mention here because it would be like uttering the words of the black speech in Imladris.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Pak-Man on May 17, 2018, 08:39:35 AM
No matter how many critically acclaimed movies he directs, he's always going to be Richie Cunningham in my mind.

Or that one other choice that I will not mention here because it would be like uttering the words of the black speech in Imladris.

Uwe Boll? Tommy Wisseau? James Nguyen?
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 17, 2018, 08:43:45 AM
Uwe Boll? Tommy Wisseau? James Nguyen?
All good(or bad, depending on how you look at it) choices but I was thinking of one that is just as bad as those three if not worse.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Imrahil on May 17, 2018, 09:29:33 AM
They already chose him for Episode 7 and 9
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on May 17, 2018, 09:51:28 AM
No matter how many critically acclaimed movies he directs, he's always going to be Richie Cunningham in my mind.

Or that one other choice that I will not mention here because it would be like uttering the words of the black speech in Imladris.

Uwe Boll? Tommy Wisseau? James Nguyen?
Michael Bay
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 17, 2018, 10:06:06 AM
Michael Bay
... yes.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: wihogfan on May 17, 2018, 01:44:24 PM
Don't underestimate Ron Howard, he's made some really good quality stuff in his career as a director.
I think he's an okay director, just not a great one. And given that he was hired after the great Chris Miller and Phil Lord were removed, clearly Ron Howard is only there because the studio wants someone they can control and who won't take chances.
This. Ron Howard makes perfectly OK movies that hit all of the crowd pleasing notes but don't break any new ground or take many risks. Without going and looking up everything he's directed, I can't think of a movie of his that I've hated. But I also can't think of a movie of his that I thought was great and wanted to see again after seeing it once.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Kete on May 19, 2018, 10:16:13 AM
I just got my tickets for the Millennium Falcon experience today. I'll let you know how it goes!
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: goflyblind on May 19, 2018, 10:20:54 AM
I just got my tickets for the Millennium Falcon experience today. I'll let you know how it goes!

you're watching the movie in that thing? you're braver than i thought.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Kete on May 20, 2018, 07:49:10 AM
So there is a replica of the Millennium Falcon that they are transporting to 4 locations prior to the Solo release, and they picked my theater as one of the locations.

https://www.youtube.com/v/S1_NetGuXGQ
(https://scontent.fslc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/33026528_10216891420784278_3095754041171378176_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=bd41d08ec6f45eb79164fbd112ceb7ce&oe=5B96C491)
(https://scontent.fslc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/33038930_10216891421464295_1973316139962335232_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=2547a0d435fc8bed8b9d142abf6ef902&oe=5B8DEA65)

Overall it was pretty cool. I ended up waiting in line for about 1.5 hours (1 hour to get the tickets, and another 30 min to get inside). I heard that it had the room with the holochess, but I only saw the hallway and the cockpit. I dont know if they had that section closed (it looks like there was a whole other section that it could have fit in). The cockpit was super cool, but they rushed us through sooo fast. The video is almost the entirety of the time available. We really had to press them for the extra 20 seconds that it took for me to sit and get a picture.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 23, 2018, 06:17:19 PM
Well I'm going to see it tomorrow night at my favorite movie theater. There is just one thing that seriously bothers me. I'm scared that with a lot of the stuff I'm seeing on social media that people will be all angry at this film and call it the worst movie ever or worst Star Wars movie ever. Yes, I know that in a perfect world, the only opinion that should count to me is my own opinion but the inner workings of my head stays contrary despite that. The wiring in my brain makes it very difficult for me to enjoy or love something if every single Facebook post on anything Star Wars related contains some negative comment about the film. I'm going to try and go in not having any particular expectations and if I do that I'm hoping it will maximize the fun factor.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: wihogfan on May 24, 2018, 09:45:30 AM
I've read a few reviews and basically they make it out to be what I expect it to be- an OK not great movie- worst of the Disney movies, but not as bad as the prequels but maybe just as unnecessary as the prequels. Guessing they'll be enough there that I'll enjoy it when I get around to seeing it, but going to see Deadpool 2 this weekend instead.   
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Pak-Man on May 24, 2018, 10:00:36 AM
I have tickets for Sunday, but I have to say, in 30 days we've had Avengers: Infinity War, Deadpool 2, and now Solo. Slow it down, Hollywood! It's not even summer yet, and I'm already feeling some blockbuster fatigue.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: kunedog on May 24, 2018, 07:04:36 PM
A fairly positive review from an unexpected source will prevent me from staying home.  Foreign box office totals are looking grim, though.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 24, 2018, 09:53:32 PM
I loved it! It was pretty much everything I wanted it to be, and that made me very, very happy. Seriously, this movie rocks!
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: ScottotD on May 24, 2018, 10:27:11 PM
I would have enjoyed it more if it was just Donald Glover in amazing costumes while the Star Wars score played, always nice to see a movie knowing you're not sharing the cinema with MRAs though  :D



Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: kunedog on May 26, 2018, 04:58:10 AM
B

Seanbaby once wrote that no movie was ever saved harder than Eddie Murphy saved The Golden Child.  With a director it's not as easy to know for sure, but I believe Ron Howard has succeeded where Joss Whedon failed (with Justice League) and saved Solo.  This the first movie since the OT that truly felt like I was watching a classic Star Wars movie, and that alone is quite a feat.

I attribute this ill-defined "feeling" to:

- the action scenes, which seemed simpler, quieter, and more drawn out than those in other Disney SW flicks.  Apart from one frantic exception, I was never confused about what was happening on screen from shot to shot.

- some new alien characters with speaking roles.  Might be my imagination, but those seem scarce in Star Wars of late.

- an original plot with no (okay, minimal) referenced or outright aped scenes from past movies and NO DEATH STAR.

I do wish it were another Rogue-One-style cast of unknowns instead of including Han/Lando/Chewie.  Han and Lando are fine as bland protagonist and cool merc, but I accepted only Chewie as himself.  I don't give one shit about the dice, and I'm sure Howard was ordered to include forty closeups of them.  Also, please Hollywood, find the strength to cut (or just never shoot) inane dialog revolving around your characters' names.  You now risk Han Solo being derisively spoken of in the same breath as Luigi Mario and Martha&Martha.

Overall, I'm shocked Ron Howard molded Solo into something I like at all, but he can't save its profit margin too and I won't enjoy seeing it die from lack of earnings.

Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Kete on May 26, 2018, 07:10:14 AM
I liked it much more than I thought it would. I could have done without a lot of the fan service, but overall I liked it. I agree, if I could cut one thing, it would be the Solo name dialog.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on May 26, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
I suppose it's appropriate that a movie about a smuggler, and who deals a lot with the seedier side of the galaxy, would feel "film noir-ish". But all it did was make me not give a shit about anything that was happening.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Henry88 on May 27, 2018, 06:41:08 AM
Box Office: 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Struggling to Hit $115M in U.S., Crashes Overseas
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-numbers-struggle-1114854

$47,031,000
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=untitledhansolostarwarsanthologyfilm.htm

ouch
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 27, 2018, 10:04:19 AM
That is kind of sad. I'll definitely be seeing it again though.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on May 27, 2018, 12:04:46 PM
Box Office: 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Struggling to Hit $115M in U.S., Crashes Overseas
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-numbers-struggle-1114854

$47,031,000
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=untitledhansolostarwarsanthologyfilm.htm

ouch
I wonder if this is Star Wars fatigue in general, or a consequence of the mixed reception to The Last Jedi.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Pak-Man on May 27, 2018, 03:21:31 PM
I think it's Blockbuster fatigue. I LIVE for Star Wars and even I had trouble getting my excitement up after just having seen Black Panther, Avengers 3 and Deadpool 2.

Loved it, though. There's a lot to process and I'll have to see it a few times before I can rank it, but it was good Star Wars.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 27, 2018, 03:52:58 PM
Here's my ranking of everything so far(although admittedly being only my own personal list you may have lots to disagree on...):
1. The Empire strikes back
2. The Force Awakens
3. A New Hope
4. The Last Jedi
5. Return of the Jedi
6. Solo
7. Rogue One
8. Revenge of the Sith
9. Attack of the clones
10. Phantom Menace
11. The Holiday Special
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on May 27, 2018, 05:36:35 PM
Wow, the Caravan of Courage didn't even place.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on May 27, 2018, 09:38:54 PM
Wow, the Caravan of Courage didn't even place.
Well to be fair I've never seen Caravan of Courage or Battle for Endor.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: kunedog on May 28, 2018, 01:16:28 AM
I wonder if this is Star Wars fatigue in general, or a consequence of the mixed reception to The Last Jedi.

It's mostly Last Jedi . . . there's no getting around it.  Hmm, I wonder why Disney would somehow exhibit zero signs of "Star Wars fatigue" until their third SW movie's second weekend.  Had Solo been arbitrarily made first and released in Rogue One's place, I believe it would have done fine.

There's no "blockbuster fatigue" either; I would show up for a average/good (and maybe an occasional great) Star Wars movie every year, just like everyone shows up for two or three (or more) good Marvel flicks a year.

It's as bankrupt an argument as using "superhero fatigue" to excuse the DCEU, when the real problem is that Warner Bros' impatient greed causes the copycat team-up tentpole "payoff" films to greatly outnumber the standalone origin "setup" films, when it should be the other way around (as in the MCU, obviously).

I'll say it again because it remains true: every single SW box office number, both domestic and foreign, since TLJ's opening weekend (i.e. since it was actually seen by audiences) has ranged from lousy to abysmal (the best you can do is spin a couple of them as "underperforming").  Now we see the high cost of deliberately antagonizing the core fanbase, openly going out of your way to hold the OT in contempt, prioritizing a political agenda over the quality of the story and characters, and wasting the rare and now lost opportunity to reunite the OT cast to properly say goodbye, all of which severely damage the brand as a whole.

The shock of Last Jedi was enough to cause many hardcore fans to simply give up and stay home, or at least "wait and see" . . . i.e. stay home opening weekend to check out reviews.  And by "reviews" I mean the kind that would have spared them from TLJ: word of mouth from trusted individual youtubers or aggregated users, not the damned critics. 
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Pak-Man on May 28, 2018, 09:54:11 AM
I think the concept was a hard sell to begin with. I don't think the shock of the last one only being the 11th most successful movie in history was quite enough to ward fans off of the concept of Star Wars entirely. The concept of someone besides Ford in Solo's shoes was probably what did it here.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: kunedog on May 28, 2018, 03:02:21 PM
That's a good point; like I said, I disassociated this film's Han and Lando from the real deal, and otherwise I would have thought less of it (and the reviewer who convinced me to go see it is a Norwegian with zero nostalgia for Star Wars).  It does seem like a problem that should have been obvious to Disney from the conception phase, though.

Episode IX's take will make things clearer I suppose.  That's gonna be a long wait with a bad taste in lots of fans' mouths.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Kete on May 28, 2018, 03:34:47 PM
Rumors have been flying around for months that Solo would suck. That is the number one reason for the slump.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Pak-Man on May 28, 2018, 04:15:30 PM
What sucks is I think they were leaving some space at the end for a Solo 2 or Lando movie. There are some loose ends, now.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on May 28, 2018, 04:49:10 PM
I just really want to see what the Phil Lord and Christopher Miller version was like.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Kete on May 28, 2018, 07:02:24 PM
What sucks is I think they were leaving some space at the end for a Solo 2 or Lando movie. There are some loose ends, now.

I assume it's going to be the plot of the Boba Fett movie
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Darth Geek on May 29, 2018, 01:45:31 PM
What sucks is I think they were leaving some space at the end for a Solo 2 or Lando movie. There are some loose ends, now.

I assume it's going to be the plot of the Boba Fett movie
I don't really want a Solo 2. But if Solo, Fett, and Lando (I assume that is what they will be called) are a trilogy with a through storyline, but concentrating on a different central character for each that would be a unique way to do it.
That being said, I don't have any interest in what they were setting up in Solo. Because despite spending a lot of the movie with Kira she still feels like she has no character.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Kete on May 29, 2018, 02:42:28 PM
What sucks is I think they were leaving some space at the end for a Solo 2 or Lando movie. There are some loose ends, now.

I assume it's going to be the plot of the Boba Fett movie
I don't really want a Solo 2. But if Solo, Fett, and Lando (I assume that is what they will be called) are a trilogy with a through storyline, but concentrating on a different central character for each that would be a unique way to do it.
That being said, I don't have any interest in what they were setting up in Solo. Because despite spending a lot of the movie with Kira she still feels like she has no character.

Yeah, maybe not Qi'Ra, but the underbelly of the empire could be interesting.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: kunedog on May 30, 2018, 06:06:50 AM
I just really want to see what the Phil Lord and Christopher Miller version was like.

So would I, and I bet it would give a lot of insight as to why they were fired.  I've heard two explanations:

1. Their process was incompatible with Disney's, especially with regards to throughput/schedule.  Specifically, they would film dozens of takes with a fraction of the camera angles Disney wanted, making production lengthier and post-production harder.  Howard had the experience to meet Disney's requirements in one or two takes.

In this case, the Lord and Miller cut would suffer from crippled cinematography, or be far from finished.

2. Their film was too comedy-oriented, beyond the usual sprinkled attempts to clumsily ape Marvel's humor and banter you see in other SW films.  If they poked fun at some of the political themes that KK and the writers intended to be taken very seriously, then that wouldn't have gone over well.  Specifically, there's a fan theory that L3 wasn't supposed to be such an over-the-top, obnoxious cartoon whose rantings the other characters mostly ignore or disregard.  The L3 that comes across as a parody of rabid activists is probably the work of Lord and Miller (or even Howard), not KK or the writers.

In this case, the Lord and Miller cut would probably be a riot.


Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: kunedog on June 03, 2018, 05:18:13 PM
TLJ/BvS-sized second weekend drop:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?view=&yr=2018&wknd=22&p=.htm

If there's any good word of mouth, it's not amounting to much.  I take it back; the long wait is probably a really good thing (a good opportunity, at least).


Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Kenneth Morgan on June 03, 2018, 06:51:17 PM
Saw "Solo" for the second time today, and I still enjoyed it a lot.  Just a fast-paced adventure story with Han, Chewie & Lando, and it's just what I needed now.  I'm hoping they'll go with a Lando movie, and I wouldn't turn down another Solo movie.

One prediction: when Rifftrax does their version of "Solo", and they get to the scene of Han stopping Chewie from attacking by speaking to him in Wookie, I can just hear Mike saying, "MARTHA?  HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT NAME!?"
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: goflyblind on June 13, 2018, 07:41:29 PM
super confused about the timeline.

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Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Imrahil on June 13, 2018, 08:05:48 PM
Timeline is 10 years before Star Wars.  Darth Maul didn't die in Episode 1. Note his mechanical legs; he was resurrected in the clone wars TV series.

Also not "Darth" anymore, presumably.

Loved the movie. Tied with Rogue One for my 2nd favorite in the franchise.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on June 13, 2018, 08:54:33 PM
So Im... you actually loved Solo? Hmmm... interesting.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Imrahil on June 16, 2018, 06:44:13 PM
Yup. Fucking great movie. Fun, good world-building, didn't make me feel like shit at the end or ruin long-established characters to make some kind of a point. Good music too.

Win-win-win.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Kete on June 16, 2018, 08:45:43 PM
Yup. Fucking great movie. Fun, good world-building, didn't make me feel like shit at the end or ruin long-established characters to make some kind of a point. Good music too.

Win-win-win.

So is it worth having the "bad" movies made in order to get the "good" ones?
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on June 17, 2018, 10:39:43 AM
I just saw it again yesterday with a good friend of mine and I was really pleased with the film as a whole. I'm not sure I like it as much as TLJ, but Solo is still really good.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Imrahil on June 17, 2018, 12:58:16 PM
Yup. Fucking great movie. Fun, good world-building, didn't make me feel like shit at the end or ruin long-established characters to make some kind of a point. Good music too.

Win-win-win.

So is it worth having the "bad" movies made in order to get the "good" ones?
Hmm. Tough question. Probably not, on the whole.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Imrahil on June 17, 2018, 08:28:22 PM
Yup. Fucking great movie. Fun, good world-building, didn't make me feel like shit at the end or ruin long-established characters to make some kind of a point. Good music too.

Win-win-win.

So is it worth having the "bad" movies made in order to get the "good" ones?
Hmm. Tough question. Probably not, on the whole.

Thinking about it--I'd absolutely trade the good movies to get rid of the shitty endings they did for Luke and Han.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 21, 2018, 10:01:04 PM
Just watched it, it was fun, very enjoyable.  Story was good, don't know why people have such a problem with the story.

But it's strange, I feel like I should have liked it a lot more but something about it seemed off just a little bit. 

Maybe it was the voices, once people pass their 20s their voices are still recognizable as they get old, maybe that was making it hard for me to imagine these actors as younger versions of Harrison Ford and Billy Dee Williams.  They got the mannerisms and attitudes pretty good, but they weren't really trying to copy the voices.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on September 22, 2018, 03:26:49 PM
You know, I've really enjoyed the last four Star Wars movies. I'm kind of sad that they're now slowing down production on more of them. However, if there's anything TFA, RO, TLJ and Solo has proved to me, well... I WANT to say Star Wars is back on track... yet it's hard to deny that it seems to have been derailed if just a bit.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: RoninFox on September 27, 2018, 06:43:30 PM
I'm okay with a slowdown on the movies because it was starting to feel like burnout, even if I've enjoyed all the new movies. I haven't seen Solo yet, and the fact that I didn't go out of my way to see a Star Wars movie in a theater is very telling for me. I wasn't opposed to the movie, I've even been very curious about it, and I'm one of the fans who rank TLJ as near the top of my personal list.

If we get a Star Wars movie every 18 to 24 months, I'll be cool with that.
Title: Re: SOLO: A Star Wars Story (2018)
Post by: Russoguru on September 29, 2018, 09:35:30 PM
I finally got my mom and dad to watch Solo tonight... I really wasn't sure what their reaction would be, but they both really enjoyed it, so I am pleased as punch, so to speak. (Seriously though I don't even know that that saying means.)