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Title: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: Henry88 on July 26, 2016, 11:24:48 AM
Panasonic DMP-UB900 review
http://www.whathifi.com/panasonic/dmp-ub900/review

http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/audio-visual/blu-ray-players/panasonic-dmp-ub900-ultra-hd-blu-ray-player-1312558/review

sounds rather nice.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: SJP on July 26, 2016, 05:04:28 PM
I've only seen the displays in Best Buy, but man, I'd love to get me one of them passive 3D LGs with them 4K.  Course, it means buying practically a whole new setup (amplifier, cables, TV, player) to get the most out of it, which means it may be awhile before I can get it.  But man, I love those "city backdrop" demo things they do where you can see individual people walking the streets from the tops of buildings.  Truly stunning these days.

Of course, the issue is, where do they go from here?  Other than...ergh, High Frame Rate...if we want to go to 8K and beyond, we're going to have to get used to 100" TVs in people's houses.  Or attached to them, like a drive-in screen.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: Variety of Cells on July 26, 2016, 06:13:20 PM
4K doesn't excite me. OLED excites me. That will be my next television purchase. It just won't be for another 3 years or so.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: Henry88 on October 13, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
Pacific Rim Ultra HD Blu-ray Review
www.avsforum.com/pacific-rim-ultra-hd-blu-ray-review/
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: Henry88 on July 30, 2017, 09:04:55 AM
https://www.amazon.com/OPPO-UDP-203-Ultra-Blu-ray-Player/dp/B01N6GG5XL/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1501428605&sr=8-2&keywords=oppo
been waiting a year to order this.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: Henry88 on April 03, 2018, 12:03:29 PM
https://www.oppodigital.com/farewell.aspx

Oppo is shutting down; the UDP-203 will be their last player.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 05, 2019, 03:18:44 PM
 Don't have a 4K TV yet but I got a 4K player.  A Samsung UBD-M7500/ZA, a mid priced player.  I also got a 4K reciever so I'm ready when I get a 4K TV.

  To test out the surround sound I popped in T2 and that disk always took at least a minute to load on my Panasonic BD player, on this player it was at the menu in about 5 seconds.

 It doesn't have wifi, so you've got to have a wired connection for updates and streaming.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 13, 2019, 05:31:05 PM
Now that the worst cold I've had in about 20 years is on the way out I can finally enjoy my OLED 4K HDR TV without fits of coughing or sneezing.

The 4K extended cut of The Martian looks spectacular.

Just watched Serenity and while I did notice more detail, I don't think HDR was adding anything, in fact it seemed like black levels were getting crushed, so overall not a huge improvement over the 1080p Blu-Ray.

Watched some of Apollo 13 and the 4K and HDR seem to improve that quite a bit over the Blu-Ray.

Most impressive stuff I've seen make use of HDR have been streaming shows:  Lost in Space on Netflix and The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel on Amazon.

I'm waiting until my cold is completely gone before trying out 2001, really hope that lives up to the reviews.

Just ordered The 5th Element and First Man on 4K disc.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on March 13, 2019, 05:39:35 PM
Just received my LG 4K Blu-Ray player today. Hooked it up and it plays Blu-Rays fine and has a great picture. I still haven't bought any 4K Blu-Rays yet but I will soon.

For the price you pay for these 4K players, the least they could do is include a HDMI and/or optical cable but neither was included with this one. Luckily I had an extra HDMI cable on hand..
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 13, 2019, 06:25:07 PM

I know, buy a computer monitor at that price and you usually get an HDMI cable, the monitor I just got had both an HDMI and a display port cable, but disc players never have them.

Supposedly to get 4K video to the TV you need an HDMI cable rated for HDMI 2.x.

Of course they used to say things like that about USB cables and that was proved wrong by plenty of people doing speed tests.

See if you can find an info screen on the player that says what kind of display it is detecting, usually it will list the HDMI connection along with the display resolution.  Should say something like 4K UHD over HDMI 2.2 or something like that, if it says HDMI 1.x it won't send 4K to the TV.

I got a 3 pack of these when I did my upgrade since I needed 3 (roku to receiver, disc to receiver, receiver to TV), these were cheapest 4K ready cables I could find (Amazon basics):

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H7M6YKI/

A one-pack is more than half the price of a 3 pack, and it just comes in a plastic bag so no packaging cost, crazy...
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 13, 2019, 06:35:34 PM
Just did some searching and it pretty much is just like the old USB 1 vs 2 speed issue, most old HDMI cables will work OK for HDMI 2.x if they were made well, but if they were made to barely pass HDMI 1.4 specs they might not work for 4K.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on March 14, 2019, 12:57:14 AM
See if you can find an info screen on the player that says what kind of display it is detecting, usually it will list the HDMI connection along with the display resolution.  Should say something like 4K UHD over HDMI 2.2 or something like that, if it says HDMI 1.x it won't send 4K to the TV.

I got a 3 pack of these when I did my upgrade since I needed 3 (roku to receiver, disc to receiver, receiver to TV), these were cheapest 4K ready cables I could find (Amazon basics):

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H7M6YKI/

A one-pack is more than half the price of a 3 pack, and it just comes in a plastic bag so no packaging cost, crazy...
Only thing I can find is a resolution setting of 2160p that I selected as it was originally set for Auto, and I set the aspect ratio to 16:9 Full instead of 16:9 Original. The Display mode is 60Hz.
Other than that, I'm not sure if the HDMI cable is compatible with 4K :-\ I bought this cable (a set of 6) a few years ago so my guess is it might meet the minimum but I just don't know so I'll get a set of these cables you put a link to so I know for sure.

I'm glad I checked before ordering as I was looking at the 3 feet option but they would have been too short :o

Thanks for the help on this Marty!
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on March 14, 2019, 01:21:54 AM
By the way.. What brand receiver are you using?
I'm not using one currently with my 75" Vizio since I'm just using a 5:1 sound bar surround sound system.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 14, 2019, 07:55:16 AM
By the way.. What brand receiver are you using?
I'm not using one currently with my 75" Vizio since I'm just using a 5:1 sound bar surround sound system.

Are you going to put 7 speakers around the room plus a subwoofer?  That is the only reason to use a receiver instead of a sound bar.  I've got the room set up with speakers in the corners, 2 on the sides in the middle, and one behind the TV, plus the subwoofer in the corner.  So a movie with good surround completely envelops you in sound.

I had always gone with Sony receivers in the past, but when I was looking to upgrade this time all the ones I saw had bad reviews.  Seems like they are letting the quality slip on all but their high end stuff?

So I looked around and settled on Onkyo:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XVFY3M8/

It can handle all the audio formats they put on HD and UHD discs, and do network stuff I'll probably never use.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on March 14, 2019, 09:01:10 AM
I went with this setup:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CDG12DL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
And it sounds awesome as is without a receiver so maybe I don't really need one :-\
Tested it with ID4 and yeah it shakes the whole room 8)
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 14, 2019, 10:18:48 AM
OK, that system does have rear speakers, so you get some true surround sound.  Only reason to go to 7.1 is if you want the sound to move around you as you sit in the middle of the room watching the TV.   A lot can be done with phasing of the sound waves between a few speakers, so even with just 2 speakers it is possible to create sound that seems to come from any point between them.  That's why receivers now have a microphone you plug in for calibration, it measures the distance from each speaker to the mic, then if you sit where the mic was during calibration the system can create sounds that appear to come from points between the speakers.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 15, 2019, 09:28:43 AM
 Watched 5th Element 4K disc last night, I did notice more detail and some more color, but not a huge step up from the blu-ray.  This is probably going to be the trend for older movies, unless a new restoration and new scan is done for the 4K release there are not going to be big improvements over the blu-ray releases.  At least there was no crushing of blacks like there was on the Serenity 4K disc.  You can only get as good as the source material, so at some point more resolution is pointless.

 Looked up some info and 5th Element used the same 4K scan that was done for the blu-ray release, and Serenity is an upscale from the 2K scan done for the blu-ray, so that's why that one isn't really an improvement.

 
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on March 15, 2019, 03:54:09 PM
Watched 5th Element 4K disc last night, I did notice more detail and some more color, but not a huge step up from the blu-ray.  This is probably going to be the trend for older movies, unless a new restoration and new scan is done for the 4K release there are not going to be big improvements over the blu-ray releases.  At least there was no crushing of blacks like there was on the Serenity 4K disc.  You can only get as good as the source material, so at some point more resolution is pointless.

 Looked up some info and 5th Element used the same 4K scan that was done for the blu-ray release, and Serenity is an upscale from the 2K scan done for the blu-ray, so that's why that one isn't really an improvement.
Glad you posted this as I was thinking seriously about getting this one but I didn't want to spend almost $20 it's not much better than the Blu-Ray I have of it already  :-\
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 15, 2019, 09:43:43 PM
Watched 5th Element 4K disc last night, I did notice more detail and some more color, but not a huge step up from the blu-ray.  This is probably going to be the trend for older movies, unless a new restoration and new scan is done for the 4K release there are not going to be big improvements over the blu-ray releases.  At least there was no crushing of blacks like there was on the Serenity 4K disc.  You can only get as good as the source material, so at some point more resolution is pointless.

 Looked up some info and 5th Element used the same 4K scan that was done for the blu-ray release, and Serenity is an upscale from the 2K scan done for the blu-ray, so that's why that one isn't really an improvement.
Glad you posted this as I was thinking seriously about getting this one but I didn't want to spend almost $20 it's not much better than the Blu-Ray I have of it already  :-\

From now on I'm going to read reviews first before replacing any of my Blu-Rays with 4K.

Going to The Digital Bits website (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/) and reading the reviews of the discs I have they talked about the same stuff, that Serenity was not much of an upgrade and 5th Element was a slight upgrade.  They gushed about 2001 being a big improvement so looking forward to that, my cold is pretty much gone so maybe tomorrow night I'll watch that.

Got First Man when I got 5th Element, haven't seen that movie yet so looking forward to that one as well.  Anything new should look great, I was pretty blown away by The Martian and I've seen that a bunch of times.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on March 16, 2019, 04:45:16 AM
I should read the reviews on the other 4 4K Blu Rays (ID4, T2, Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind, & Die Hard) but I have a feeling that they may not be worth getting either  :-\

Edit:
Review of ID4:
Quote
This is a gorgeous 4K film scan and remastering that benefits greatly from High Dynamic Range. If you like this film at all, Fox’s new 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray is well worth your time and money.
:o Ok maybe I will get this one..

Review of Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind:
Quote
This Blu-ray Disc is one of the very best special editions we’ve seen yet in either high-definition format.
As well as this one!

Review of Die Hard:
Quote
This film is still very much the product of its time, but that product has never looked better than it does here on Fox’s new 4K Ultra HD.
And this one!
Can't find a review of Terminator 2 though :-[

Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on March 16, 2019, 07:45:22 AM
OK I went ahead and bought them.
I'll try to post my reviews of them when I get a chance to watch them.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 16, 2019, 10:57:27 AM
Reading the reviews on the digital bits for those 3 to see a big improvement over regular blu-ray it may depend on how well your TV does HDR, the extra shadow and highlight detail seem to be what they talk about most and all of that comes from HDR.

I guess we really should say improvement from HD to UHD, since they are all on blu-ray discs, they just added extra layers to hold more data for UHD.  Amazing they were able to do that, a 4 layer disc now holds 128GB of data.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 16, 2019, 07:05:51 PM
Wow, the restored 4K HDR version of 2001 is really something.

All the problems in previous releases, with color and aspect ratio have been fixed, the detail is incredible. 

The "travel" sequence at the end really benefits from the extra color gamut, especially in the parts that look like oil film or soap bubble effects, so many extra shades of color in those now.  Once you've seen that scene a few times it can feel like it goes on too long, but this time I was seeing so many new aspects of it that it did not seem too long.

Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on March 16, 2019, 11:12:11 PM
Wow, the restored 4K HDR version of 2001 is really something.

All the problems in previous releases, with color and aspect ratio have been fixed, the detail is incredible. 

The "travel" sequence at the end really benefits from the extra color gamut, especially in the parts that look like oil film or soap bubble effects, so many extra shades of color in those now.  Once you've seen that scene a few times it can feel like it goes on too long, but this time I was seeing so many new aspects of it that it did not seem too long.
Now I may have to get this one :o
I really wish they would 4K '2010' as that is my favorite between the 2..
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 18, 2019, 08:08:10 PM
The really amazing thing about 2001 is the HDR, the white ships on black background never before had this level of detail, there are shades of grey all over the hulls of the ships, and the big round lunar lander has all kinds of grime and stuff painted on it to make it look well used, it was like watching those scenes for the first time.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on March 19, 2019, 03:57:40 AM
The really amazing thing about 2001 is the HDR, the white ships on black background never before had this level of detail, there are shades of grey all over the hulls of the ships, and the big round lunar lander has all kinds of grime and stuff painted on it to make it look well used, it was like watching those scenes for the first time.
I went ahead and ordered it. I'm intrigued now :o
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on March 22, 2019, 08:12:28 PM
Got all my 4K's in and watched 5th Element tonight..
Yeah the 4K image is pretty impressive on the 75" Vizio :o The detail and color looked awesome! I'll try to watch the others sometime soon and post my reviews of them here as well.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on April 04, 2019, 12:05:36 PM
Watched Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind last night and overall it was pretty good. The lights seemed a bit blurry at times but still was pretty cool to watch in 4K
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on April 04, 2019, 05:55:42 PM
Was watching 2001 Space Odyssey when the disc froze up with 38:22 left in the movie, when Dave was removing HAL's memory circuits :grr:

Contacted Amazon about returning it and they send me a square bar code I'm supposed to take a picture of and show it to someone at the UPS Store to print out a label..  ???
I contacted them about sending me the label so I can print it out and just drop it off.
They will send me a replacement 4K ASAP.

Also; MakeMKV does not seem to work on ripping 4K Blu-Rays :o
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 05, 2019, 12:44:35 AM
Also; MakeMKV does not seem to work on ripping 4K Blu-Rays :o

4K blu-rays are 3 or 4 layer discs (100 or 128 GB), so you need a new drive on your PC in order to read them.

Regular blu-rays are 1 or 2 layer, 25 or 50 GB
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on April 05, 2019, 02:54:18 AM
Also; MakeMKV does not seem to work on ripping 4K Blu-Rays :o

4K blu-rays are 3 or 4 layer discs (100 or 128 GB), so you need a new drive on your PC in order to read them.

Regular blu-rays are 1 or 2 layer, 25 or 50 GB
Ah ok that's why..
Guess it's time to look for a new disc drive that's 4K UHD friendly..
Any recommendations for a good price?

Edit: I'm reading that these UHD blu-ray disc drives won't allow you to rip 4K blu-rays unless you 'patch' them or 'downgrade' the software so I'll need some info on this as well..
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 05, 2019, 07:16:30 AM
I decided not to upgrade the drive on my PC, the 4K drives are kind of pricey now, and like you said it looks like there's no easy way to rip the discs.

Besides, since I only have one 4K display I wouldn't have any use for the files other than to play them on the same player I play the discs on.  Down converting them would take forever and you usually get a regular Blu-Ray with the 4K one so you can always rip that.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on April 05, 2019, 07:56:56 AM
Yeah I'm gonna have to think about this..
I only have a select few movies I want to see in 4K and I have most of them already but still waiting on others to come out in 4K.
I figured if I come across another defective 4K blu-ray I might try to rip it before sending it back  :-\
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 13, 2019, 09:39:37 PM
Blade Runner : The Final Cut  is really something in 4K HDR.  The HDR really makes a difference in this movie.  Practically the entire movie is dark with bright lights, the neon signs everywhere, the spot lights on the flying cars, all just beg for high dynamic range.

This isn't a new scan, but when they did the restoration for The Final Cut it was already scanned in 4K or higher, so they just had to implement HDR.

I still haven't seen the sequel, just got it in 4K so eventually I'll be getting around to that one.
Title: Re: Ultra HD 4K Blu-ray
Post by: RVR II on April 13, 2019, 11:08:27 PM
I wound up finding and buying a LG UHD burner with the proper firmware needed to rip 4Ks for my home entertainment computer on ebay for $120 https://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-LG-WH14NS40-Blu-ray-drive-firmware-1-02-4K-Ultra-HD-UHD-Friendly/223447155510?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
I ripped 2001 & Close Encounters to my 6TB hard drive no problem. It's not a very fast process as it took almost 9 hours to rip Close Encounters (all 3 versions). The quality still looks pretty good to me though I'm still learning about the UHD details..