Do Luke and Leah kiss again?? :oA full five minute shag scene "Ain't neither of us having kids now Luke, let's get this out of the way".
Then in comes Lando with his Colt 45 and says "This deal is getting better all the time" :PDo Luke and Leah kiss again?? :oA full five minute shag scene "Ain't neither of us having kids now Luke, let's get this out of the way".
I'm spoiler hunting on Reddit, and the funniest thing is happening:
The main source of TFA info is a guy who's actually seen the movie.
He's also the type who needs to movie explained to him.
You ever sit through a movie where someone is asking you "What's happening?" *as they're watching the movie with you?*
That's this guy.
It is single handedly one of the greatest feats of unintentional trolling I have ever witnesses. Bless his heart.
This is a dude who equates "doesn't see someone escape" with "this character is dead," and he's their only current source for SW spoilers.
Reddit is gnawing their own limbs off over this guy, and it's a beautiful, beautiful thing to behold.
This is someone who upon seeing the end of A New Hope would deduce that Darth Vader was dead.
I'm *in tears of laughter.*
I grew up in a theatre town, there's only so many times you can be surprised by plot twists if you see them every third season.
But seeing the way things are designed, the way scenes are played, that is really quite difficult to spoil, even if I see pictures of sets and props, you know?
I just went and read the plot and now I'm more interested in seeing how it plays out.
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I grew up in a theatre town, there's only so many times you can be surprised by plot twists if you see them every third season.
But seeing the way things are designed, the way scenes are played, that is really quite difficult to spoil, even if I see pictures of sets and props, you know?
I just went and read the plot and now I'm more interested in seeing how it plays out.
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I like the effect. :)
Okay, let me fanboy here for a sec. Oh, my stars... What a ride.
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My favorite scene in the whole movie was fixing the hyperdrive. BB8 giving a thumbs up, and Rey asking for Finn to hand her a tool.
Is it just me, or is Daisy Ridley an exact clone of Keira Knightly? Are they going to reveal that Rey is the granddaughter of one of Padme's handmaidens?
I'm so very sad to see Han go, but I think it was right.
2. Did everyone read "Lightsaber Combat for Dummies" or something? I can buy Rey holding her own with a saber because the Force and all that, but Finn? An ex-storm trooper with no apparent force ability can just pick up a lightsaber and do OK in a battle with someone who was presumably trained by Luke? I don't like it.
I like the effect. :)
You're such a drama queen, waiting for the big reveal.
I like the effect. :)
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3. Snoke? That's the name your going with for the Supreme Leader? I also hate the design of that character. I hope there's some kind of man behind the curtain thing going on there.
Not completely. It's certainly got a lot of notes that it hit, but Star Wars is kind of supposed to be like that anyway. The whole prequel trilogy was supposed to be a mirror of the original trilogy, so seeing it done like this, too, is no surprise, nor does it ruin anything. But I do agree with RD that the movie is played very safe. For all the spoiler-hiding, the movie wastes no time in explaining almost everything people were asking about. I mean, all the "Is Luke Kylo Ren?" speculation goes out the window in the opening crawl, for Pete's sake. I get the sense Abrams is so in awe and reverential of Star Wars that he didn't want to upset the apple cart. He certainly didn't, but he didn't do much to make it stand on its own. It's a fun watch, but it has yet to make a leap into radically new and exciting territory.
But that's something that I noticed that I thought a little off...30 some odd years later, and she's still a Princess, according to C-3P0? Promote her already! She's earned it! ;)
I thought her title was GeneralYeah, I seem to recall Finn calling her General Organa several times.
But that's something that I noticed that I thought a little off...30 some odd years later, and she's still a Princess, according to C-3P0? Promote her already! She's earned it! ;)
But that's something that I noticed that I thought a little off...30 some odd years later, and she's still a Princess, according to C-3P0? Promote her already! She's earned it! ;)
Or demote her. Princess of what? Her people are all dead.
-The more I think about it, the more I find the score to be my biggest disappointment of the new movie. The original trilogy delivered sounds that have entered the perpetual pop culture consciousness, whether it's the truly iconic stuff like the opening number or the Imperial March, or the smaller stuff (that's also my favorite) like the battle music on Hoth (https://youtu.be/8iFBXHKoH0U?t=4m32s) and Endor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHFsnw5P3Y). Apart from clips of the classic stuff, the new music seemed wholly unremarkable. Which seems to be a modern blockbuster problem in general, I find.
This, too. I can't recall or hum any piece of music from it that wasn't from the other movies.
This, too. I can't recall or hum any piece of music from it that wasn't from the other movies.
I could. Let me es-plain. In the scene on the attack on (Jakka?) right at the beginning when Kylo Ren's ship landed they had a whole new score that sounded slightly similar to the Darth Vader theme but was still completely different and new. I thought "Awesome, now I'll have to learn a whole bunch of new 'scores' for the characters!" and I was fairly impressed with the new KR theme...
I didn't hear that song again the ENTIRE movie...If they had REPLAYED it a few times like they should have...people would probably have remembered it.
Some people have said the dialogue was terrible? I thought it was fine, and sometimes really great actually.
And BB-8 I thought came off really well. I just wonder why all the talking protocol droids are essentially robot people with no special features while all the bleep-bloop droids are Swiss Army Knives. That little guy has a lot of gadgets in him. Granted, R2 had jetpacks in the prequels that quietly disappeared, but still...
What questions did this movie raise for you guys?Yeah, I agree with all these questions except...Whaa? The last? Is someone saying that on the interwebz or are you just joshin'? Here's my complete shot in the dark on Finn:
Here are some that I had?:
Who is Snoke?
Who is Rey's family?
Why did Kylo Ren seem to know about Rey? ("Was there anyone else with them?" "A girl" "Rrrraagghh!")
Did Han and Leia hold anything against Luke for failing with Kylo Ren?
Is Fin really the son of Leia and Lando, and so Han killed Lando, and that's why he's not in the movie?
that's why he's not in the movie?It wouldn't surprise me if Lando shows up in movie 2 much the same way he did in the OT.
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Yeah, I'm just joking about the Lando thing :)
I think they missed the opportunity to make some great jokes about Stormtroopers always missing. They could be in shootout, Fin keeps missing, then Han tosses him the lightsaber and says, "Here. Maybe you can hit something with this".
I'm wondering if Snoke is really a tiny person. Like a Yoda or a Gollum.
Yeah, I'm just joking about the Lando thing :)Oh sure but i was using that to talk about structure. :)
Or flip out and take his lightsaber and throw a tantrum just like his pupil...Yeah, I'm just joking about the Lando thing :)
I think they missed the opportunity to make some great jokes about Stormtroopers always missing. They could be in shootout, Fin keeps missing, then Han tosses him the lightsaber and says, "Here. Maybe you can hit something with this".
I'm wondering if Snoke is really a tiny person. Like a Yoda or a Gollum.
Nuts to that. I want them to commit to a giant man. I want Snoke to stand tall inside the landing bay of a Star Destroyer, bump his head on the ceiling, and have everyone awkwardly stand around when they realize he can't actually go anywhere else now.
Or flip out and take his lightsaber and throw a tantrum just like his pupil...Yeah, I'm just joking about the Lando thing :)
I think they missed the opportunity to make some great jokes about Stormtroopers always missing. They could be in shootout, Fin keeps missing, then Han tosses him the lightsaber and says, "Here. Maybe you can hit something with this".
I'm wondering if Snoke is really a tiny person. Like a Yoda or a Gollum.
Nuts to that. I want them to commit to a giant man. I want Snoke to stand tall inside the landing bay of a Star Destroyer, bump his head on the ceiling, and have everyone awkwardly stand around when they realize he can't actually go anywhere else now.
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-Really don't understand how the Galactic government is set up here. We've got the Republic, the New Order, and also the Resistance? Wouldn't it just be the first two? Presumably the Resistance is working in league with the Republic, and also that the Republic is the one in charge, so how is the Resistance a resistance at all? I feel like the movie made things a bit needlessly complicated there.
I think I got an answer for anybody who plays the "Awww, it's too derivative" card. That sort of begs the question... how derivative was A new hope of Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress"? I dare say the same as a lot of other people- There are a lot of similarities, inescapable ones, but there are plenty of things that are different enough that it can stand on its own.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The movie takes the time to really flesh out our new characters and villains, and in doing so, it more than stands on its own.
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worse than this?
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worse than this?
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I'm not a Pokemon fan, so I'm afraid the emotional gravitas of that particular scene has zero impact for me. :p
I thought that they were going to have Chewy put on Captain Phasma's armor. I have to say, I was dissapointed in Captain Phasma. She didn't really do much, and she was dispatched rather quickly.
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Leia and Luke will have larger roles in the next films (and I bet they are both going to die).
Maybe so. You could be reading a little too much into it though.
What questions did this movie raise for you guys?
Here are some that I had?:
Who is Snoke?
Who is Rey's family?
Why did Kylo Ren seem to know about Rey? ("Was there anyone else with them?" "A girl" "Rrrraagghh!")
Did Han and Leia hold anything against Luke for failing with Kylo Ren?
Is Fin really the son of Leia and Lando, and so Han killed Lando, and that's why he's not in the movie?
What questions did this movie raise for you guys?
Here are some that I had?:
Who is Snoke?
Who is Rey's family?
Why did Kylo Ren seem to know about Rey? ("Was there anyone else with them?" "A girl" "Rrrraagghh!")
Did Han and Leia hold anything against Luke for failing with Kylo Ren?
Is Fin really the son of Leia and Lando, and so Han killed Lando, and that's why he's not in the movie?
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Who was Max Von Sydow? He showed up for only a nanosecond. What happened to him? He's a major actor so I don't get why he would show up in a bit part.
4. Snoke? The big bad guy's name is Snoke? Did Lucas force them to put that in there?You know how in other languages some words sound like something else, maybe something silly? Maybe some names in other languages might sound silly when you first hear them? My point is this: Whatever race or planet Snoke hails from, Snoke may for all we know be the verbal equivalent of "Nimrod", or "Mighty Warrior". I just don't think it's fair to judge a character by their name. Look at Dexster Jettster. Kind of a cool name I guess, but shitty character. Seriously... what's in a name? Example: Rainbow Dash sounds silly, but is in fact... bad ass.
QuoteLeia and Luke will have larger roles in the next films (and I bet they are both going to die).
oh joy.
Just one thing... I still think it's important to have spoilers even in this thread, mostly because if somebody clicks the "show posts" links under your username on your profile, it will show ALL your posts, and that has the potential for seeing spoilers.
Just one thing... I still think it's important to have spoilers even in this thread, mostly because if somebody clicks the "show posts" links under your username on your profile, it will show ALL your posts, and that has the potential for seeing spoilers.
And if you click "Spoiler" tag they show up there too. So too bad.
I'm still pissed that JJ killed off Han. He did it to lend emotional weight to a movie that he was making and he didn't earn that. We care about Han because of 30 years of storytelling; you want emotional weight, kill off one of your own fucking characters, don't appropriate someone else's. It's cheap and shitty. He did the same thing in Star Trek when he blew up Vulcan.
He also went out like a punk, to a long-haired emo kid. It's fucking atrocious.
Just one thing... I still think it's important to have spoilers even in this thread, mostly because if somebody clicks the "show posts" links under your username on your profile, it will show ALL your posts, and that has the potential for seeing spoilers.
And if you click "Spoiler" tag they show up there too. So too bad.
I'm still pissed that JJ killed off Han. He did it to lend emotional weight to a movie that he was making and he didn't earn that. We care about Han because of 30 years of storytelling; you want emotional weight, kill off one of your own fucking characters, don't appropriate someone else's. It's cheap and shitty. He did the same thing in Star Trek when he blew up Vulcan.
He also went out like a punk, to a long-haired emo kid. It's fucking atrocious.
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Yeah, I didn't see it as "he went out like a punk" at all. I get that he would have conflicted emotions over his son. He just wouldn't have been stupid enough to get that close if he hadn't been convinced to bring Ren back by Leia.Just one thing... I still think it's important to have spoilers even in this thread, mostly because if somebody clicks the "show posts" links under your username on your profile, it will show ALL your posts, and that has the potential for seeing spoilers.
And if you click "Spoiler" tag they show up there too. So too bad.
I'm still pissed that JJ killed off Han. He did it to lend emotional weight to a movie that he was making and he didn't earn that. We care about Han because of 30 years of storytelling; you want emotional weight, kill off one of your own fucking characters, don't appropriate someone else's. It's cheap and shitty. He did the same thing in Star Trek when he blew up Vulcan.
He also went out like a punk, to a long-haired emo kid. It's fucking atrocious.
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Maybe as a father, I can understand Han's motivations in trying to get through to his estranged son instead of feeling like he "went out like a punk". While it was shocking, I didn't thing it was a bad idea and it worked for the situation. I've always loved the character, but I also know him as a husband and father who went to amazing lengths for his family in the now-defunct EU as well as the hard-assed smuggler with a heart of gold from the OT.
That's not exactly a moment where you stick to shouting range and keep a blaster at the ready.That's exactly what Han would have done. Because Han is smart! But he was convinced by Leia. And we the audience know that there is some good in him left, and I don't doubt that Leia may have felt it via The Force.
4. Despite Soguru's insistence that it wasn't derivative, it very much was.
I think I got an answer for anybody who plays the "Awww, it's too derivative" card. That sort of begs the question... how derivative was A new hope of Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress"? I dare say the same as a lot of other people- There are a lot of similarities, inescapable ones, but there are plenty of things that are different enough that it can stand on its own.One time I admitted it was derivative.
As for the Re-hashing though? Anything re-hashed at least feels like it was EARNED. The story was good, the new characters were amazing, and in a way, the stuff that felt like it was re-used was done so to much better dramatic effect.Lawful, I never said it wasn't derivative. To the contrary, I admitted it, TWICE!
He also went out like a punk, to a long-haired emo kid. It's fucking atrocious.What is this with labeling Ren as emo all of a sudden? i don't think you're giving him enough credit, not you or Lawful, there are some subtleties that make him a far more interesting character than Vader in his prime. Kylo's sense of right and wrong is so fucked over that he truly believes evil is good and vice versa. I don't think Vader was ever like that, he saw the Empire as the means to order, but he never saw himself as a hero or some kind of champion. Vader, in killing his own flesh and blood would destroy himself, but Ren had to test himself, to see if he could pass the test and overcome the natural affection family has for one another. In that respect, Ren is anything but Emo, Ren is in essence seeking not just the dark side, but in addition a certain level of apathy towards certain specific aspects of himself and the universe. In this way, he's a damn scary villain because if he can
Just one thing... I still think it's important to have spoilers even in this thread, mostly because if somebody clicks the "show posts" links under your username on your profile, it will show ALL your posts, and that has the potential for seeing spoilers.
And if you click "Spoiler" tag they show up there too. So too bad.Thank you, glad you could be so understanding.
5. Ren should've mopped the floor with Rey and Finn. I don't care that he got hit with a bowcaster. There's no reason he shouldn't slaughter both of them other than plot armor. Pain can either be ignored(The Jedi way) or channeled into anger and hate(The Sith Way). And we know he hated Rey and Finn. Until she went all zen at the end, he would've crushed the untrained Force sensitive with his training.
6. The lightsaber battle was lame. Seriously. Easily the worst in the series. In fact, the action scenes outside of the Falcon were pretty awful. They were cluttered and confused, with constant switching of shots that made it so I couldn't keep track of anything.
Agreed. They felt brutal. It reminded me more of the end fight between Luke and Vader in Return of the Jedi, when Luke starts to just smash at Vader.
As for the fight, I liked it. it had weight to it. It felt like a sword fight again, and not the over choreographed dance routines of the Prequels where they were more concerned with hitting their marks, feet away from their target, than doing any damage to their opponent.
Agreed. They felt brutal. It reminded me more of the end fight between Luke and Vader in Return of the Jedi, when Luke starts to just smash at Vader.I'm going to go out on a limb and say that whole duel was the best one in all of Star Wars. Yes, even better between the final duel between Luke and Vader. I felt every hit, every strike changed the nature of the situation and the flow of the combat and made it that much more intense and... I really felt scared for Rey. In this movie, I grew to love her as a character. She is truly amazing.
Can't make people feel things, bruh. It was good, just not super godlike. I get that you think its amazing, but don't let my and others various levels of entertainment affect you, or you'll never be satisfied. I think the only real thing JJ did was construct his first good character ever. And she made the movie for me.Agreed. They felt brutal. It reminded me more of the end fight between Luke and Vader in Return of the Jedi, when Luke starts to just smash at Vader.I'm going to go out on a limb and say that whole duel was the best one in all of Star Wars. Yes, even better between the final duel between Luke and Vader. I felt every hit, every strike changed the nature of the situation and the flow of the combat and made it that much more intense and... I really felt scared for Rey. In this movie, I grew to love her as a character. She is truly amazing.
On a side note, I'd like to say that I'm very sad that... a few certain people here didn't enjoy the movie as much as I hoped they would. Some people here have pretty much always been voices that have dissented from my own on every occasion, and I hoped, yearned, wanted so badly for them to feel the same emotions and have the same reaction I did to the movie... and it breaks my heart because I want so badly for a lot of people here to see things through my eyes.
I don't know if they filmed Harrison Ford's scenes chronologically, but it felt like he got better as the movie went on. Sad to see him go. Carrie Fisher is a lot more problematic. It feels like she had a stroke sometime recently. That, or we have to break out the Rick James quote.
I'd love to see Leia as a pilot too. Have her do something dramatically important and general-like.
THANK you. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Started to think I was going crazy...
7. The dialogue was SO BAD. It was really forcedand awkward so much of the time, I really felt like I was sitting through a bad high school play.
THANK you. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Started to think I was going crazy...
7. The dialogue was SO BAD. It was really forcedand awkward so much of the time, I really felt like I was sitting through a bad high school play.
His saber only crackled because he removed the limiting field. Speaking as someone who sees conflicted teens on a weekly basis, Ren wasn't conflicted; he was a kid who wanted to be conflicted. He wanted to pretend he had a terrible life, because he wanted to emulate grandpa's hard decisions and life. I think the comparison between Christensen and Driver is reasonable, because they're both attempting and failing to play a depressed tortured character.
No, the dialogue was not great, but it was not bad either. What the hell are the both of you expecting? Maybe you should be thinking less about the writing and more about the characters. I mean we're basically watching the interactions of:7. The dialogue was SO BAD. It was really forcedand awkward so much of the time, I really felt like I was sitting through a bad high school play.THANK you. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Started to think I was going crazy...
No, the dialogue was not great, but it was not bad either. What the hell are the both of you expecting? Maybe you should be thinking less about the writing and more about the characters. I mean we're basically watching the interactions of:7. The dialogue was SO BAD. It was really forcedand awkward so much of the time, I really felt like I was sitting through a bad high school play.THANK you. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Started to think I was going crazy...
1)Finn- A guy who has been forcefully trained his whole life to shoot at stuff and feel a conditioned reaction to doing his job.
2)Rey- A woman who has been abandoned and forced to fend for herself with potentially very little education.
3)Ren- A guy whose moral compass is simply and completely backwards, "By the grace of your training, I will not be seduced"(back to the light), THAT is interesting, and very un-Anakin. He doesn't come of as emo to me at all, instead, he feels like a twisted version of TV's Dexter Morgan. I'll tell you what else is un-Anakin, taking a laser-blast to the kidney and then trying to walk it off. I don't know if any of you have experienced Kidney pain, but I HAVE. It hurts like somebody constantly shoving a hot iron inside of a stab wound. You underestimate Ren. I really like his complexities, and the guy is bad-ass and instead of whining, his weaknesses come across in ways he doesn't show outwardly, he shows determination for his cause. In this way, he is most un-Anakin.
Patton?
Neil Smoke DeGrasse Tyson complained on that last one, actually
So, what's the deal with the big weapon being powered by a star, and the stupid idea of draining all the power from it? Did no one bother to look up how much fracking power is in a star? And how do they fire it again if they drain the star with each shot? Does that entire planet have to be moved to a different system to drain a new star?Sigh... are we really going to start scrutinizing science in a Star Wars film? A Science Fantasy film? I wouldn't even do that with the prequels(mostly because science is the very least of their problems)!! I mean I have no Earthly goddamn idea how a light saber could ever work or exist, but I accept it because it's fucking awesome. Star Killer base is fucking awesome. Same thing with Transporters, warp drive, cloaking devices. It doesn't matter how they work, what matters is that I as a member of the audience can suspend my disbelief because as a fan of science fantasy, that's kind of my job.
Soguru, you need to dial it back. Your posts are too emotional and defensive. I am telling you this because I am your friend.
Soguru, you need to dial it back. Your posts are too emotional and defensive. I am telling you this because I am your friend.
SOGURU needs to dial it back? Have you even been READING any of Lawful Cupcake's posts?
So, what's the deal with the big weapon being powered by a star, and the stupid idea of draining all the power from it? Did no one bother to look up how much fracking power is in a star? And how do they fire it again if they drain the star with each shot? Does that entire planet have to be moved to a different system to drain a new star?Sigh... are we really going to start scrutinizing science in a Star Wars film? A Science Fantasy film? I wouldn't even do that with the prequels(mostly because science is the very least of their problems)!! I mean I have no Earthly goddamn idea how a light saber could ever work or exist, but I accept it because it's fucking awesome. Star Killer base is fucking awesome. Same thing with Transporters, warp drive, cloaking devices. It doesn't matter how they work, what matters is that I as a member of the audience can suspend my disbelief because as a fan of science fantasy, that's kind of my job.
I've already addressed the deal with the callbacks like half a dozen goddamn times. One critic said it best when he said people were overall complaining that the prequels weren't enough like the original trilogy, so when JJ makes a movie... he makes it like the original trilogy... and people still complain anyway.
It doesn't matter how they work, what matters is that I as a member of the audience can suspend my disbelief because as a fan of science fantasy, that's kind of my job.
It doesn't matter how they work, what matters is that I as a member of the audience can suspend my disbelief because as a fan of science fantasy, that's kind of my job.
Feel like I need to respond to this one separately.
That's somewhat of a unique perspective on being an audience member, we are the ones paying, so we should be considered the boss, not the employee. ;D
I'd say it's the film makers job to not have plot holes that crash your suspension of disbelief. Doesn't matter what the type of movie is, there are levels of disbelief in all movies that have to be overcome. In a drama you can't have a character do something too far away from what is expected based on what they have done before, in an action movie you shouldn't have infinite bullets. That's what this was, the moment they said the weapon drains the star until it goes out I thought "how do they reload, they already fired it once?", that took me out of the movie for a moment and flagged that as something to think about later. And after the movie is a bad time to analyze specific things like that.
Also, it is possible to not like a few moments in a movie and still like it overall. I will be getting this movie on Blu-Ray when it comes out, I'm hoping this is the first JJ movie that I'll be able to watch multiple times.
It's the same flaw that led to the Resistance being able to see the planets of the Republic explode in the sky despite most likely not being in the same solar system, so the light should have been tiny and traveling for thousands of years before being visible. I get that the weapon fires at hyperspace speeds, but not the explosions.
It's the same flaw that led to the Resistance being able to see the planets of the Republic explode in the sky despite most likely not being in the same solar system, so the light should have been tiny and traveling for thousands of years before being visible. I get that the weapon fires at hyperspace speeds, but not the explosions.
I thought those planets were in the same system, but the planet/moon BB-8 was on was not targeted because they wanted the map and they were sending troops there to get it. Best not to think about how they could see the energy beams when they should be in hyperspace traveling faster than light.
*Stumbles into this thread with his mod hat on and a hand over his eyes*
Um, I accidentally clicked in here and it looks like there's something that needs light moderation, and I don't want to read anything to get details because I don't want THOSE details, so EVERYONE:
Repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax."
Don't make me have to risk being spoilered to get more details!
It was confusing why they fired on that first system, they were talking about making a statement but also about the rebel base and wasn't there something about getting rid of part of the republic as well? I assumed they fired on that system because they knew BB-8 was taken there and they assumed it was filled with support for the rebels.
The whole political structure is very confusing, did the fall of the emperor result in 3 factions all wanting control? The rebels, the old republic, and what was left of the military became the first order?
A tiny bit more explanation of that would have been nice, not too much, that's the type of thing that you put in a novel, try to put too much of it in the movie and you end up with stuff like the endless trade negotiations from the prequels.
Soguru, you need to dial it back. Your posts are too emotional and defensive.I know.
There are two major powers, The First Order and The Republic. The attack that destroyed multiple planets was mentioned in a scene as "destroying the illegitimate government of the Republic."
The Resistance is a separate and tiny group that was fighting the First Order despite the wishes of the Republic, which had a peace treaty in place.
The detail about the treaty came from reading about the novelization of the movie today, but the rest I was able to catch from the movie, though it could have been made clearer.
I'd say it's the film makers job to not have plot holes that crash your suspension of disbelief. Doesn't matter what the type of movie is, there are levels of disbelief in all movies that have to be overcome.It depends a lot on the overall quality of the film. More than that though, I think the idea of using a star to powering something is a convention that has been used in science fiction before. I seem to remember the idea of a Dyson Sphere or something? I don't need a lot of particulars, scientific fact is completely bent to the will of the force in Star Wars. I can accept certain leaps that fall far beyond the realm of logic, so why can't other people?
Also, it is possible to not like a few moments in a movie and still like it overall. I will be getting this movie on Blu-Ray when it comes out, I'm hoping this is the first JJ movie that I'll be able to watch multiple times.
Another thing that was confusing at first was it took me awhile to realize the ice world was supposed to be the outside of the Starkiller, that it was just so massive that it had its own atmosphere. I thought it was a nice touch, but at the same time it also had a fully grown forest on it. Just how long did it take to build this thing, and when did it start? And who brought all the seeds to start the Metro Park? ;)
I can accept certain leaps that fall far beyond the realm of logic, so why can't other people?
Ha! Not only was Daniel Craig in it, but check out his name:
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That's pretty simple, because everyone is different, with different thresholds of what it takes to shake their suspension of disbelief.
That's pretty simple, because everyone is different, with different thresholds of what it takes to shake their suspension of disbelief.Well Marty, as far as I'm concerned, Star Wars requires that you suspend it pretty far. If you can accept the idea of the force, I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to accept anything else in The Force Awakens.
I think having the Death Star 3.0 in the first place was a bad move and that blowing it up in the first movie, instead of just damaging it or slowing it so it could be a menace for the next two movies, was a worse move(If you take ANH as a standalone, it is the perfect ending. It is kind of clumsy if you take the whole OT into account, though, when the second one shows up. Here we see this mistake repeated.)I agree with this. I don't mind the notion of the bigger Death Star, but if they had let it build up over a movie or two then it would have felt more like something different.
That's pretty simple, because everyone is different, with different thresholds of what it takes to shake their suspension of disbelief.Well Marty, as far as I'm concerned, Star Wars requires that you suspend it pretty far. If you can accept the idea of the force, I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to accept anything else in The Force Awakens.
I think having the Death Star 3.0 in the first place was a bad move and that blowing it up in the first movie, instead of just damaging it or slowing it so it could be a menace for the next two movies, was a worse move(If you take ANH as a standalone, it is the perfect ending. It is kind of clumsy if you take the whole OT into account, though, when the second one shows up. Here we see this mistake repeated.)I agree with this. I don't mind the notion of the bigger Death Star, but if they had let it build up over a movie or two then it would have felt more like something different.
I hope Finn doesn't turn out to be related to characters we already know. It's just makes this story of an entire galaxy feel that much smaller. Plus, he's a good character, I like him. I don't need him to be related to someone else I like to be interested in seeing his story.
As for Rey, why the hell are people actually speculating on who she's related to?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I hope Finn doesn't turn out to be related to characters we already know. It's just makes this story of an entire galaxy feel that much smaller. Plus, he's a good character, I like him. I don't need him to be related to someone else I like to be interested in seeing his story.
As for Rey, why the hell are people actually speculating on who she's related to?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I hope Finn doesn't turn out to be related to characters we already know. It's just makes this story of an entire galaxy feel that much smaller. Plus, he's a good character, I like him. I don't need him to be related to someone else I like to be interested in seeing his story.
As for Rey, why the hell are people actually speculating on who she's related to?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
i'm pretty sure rey is the granddaughter of amidala's decoy:
He killed Nazis. That's my kind of asshole.Patton?
Patton was an irresponsible asshole with severe megalomania.
I heard that they just ripped off everything from star wars and then swapped the races and genders around.Not quite. Sure there's similarities, but the character stories are hardly copypasted from what I've heard. I find it odd that Star Wars has a bunch of alien variety, but not that much when it comes to people.
Although not diversely, but to specifically fit a particular worldview.
I heard that they just ripped off everything from star wars and then swapped the races and genders around.
Although not diversely, but to specifically fit a particular worldview.
I heard that they just ripped off everything from star wars and then swapped the races and genders around.
Although not diversely, but to specifically fit a particular worldview.
This attitude feels familiar somehow....
You know, another reason I hope Rey is not Luke's daughter is because it would be a ripoff of Dune to have 2 cousins fighting at the end. Please let her be simply someone with parents that were strong with the force that were at the camp with Luke to get trained.
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Basically. Not literally. If it were "literally" Top Gun in space, it would have been titled "Top Gun In Space."You know, another reason I hope Rey is not Luke's daughter is because it would be a ripoff of Dune to have 2 cousins fighting at the end. Please let her be simply someone with parents that were strong with the force that were at the camp with Luke to get trained.
Well, JJ's last big sci-fi remake was literally Top Gun in Space.
He's expert at ripping things off when tasked with making something new and interesting.
You know, another reason I hope Rey is not Luke's daughter is because it would be a ripoff of Dune to have 2 cousins fighting at the end.I kinda want them to be doing some thing slightly different at the end, has the same first and lats three letter however...
I imagine Disney’s major goals for Episode VII were as follows:
- Win back fans by reintroducing OT characters and aesthetic
- wash nerd mouths of prequel bitterness
- introduce new generation of characters
- send off old favorites
- make a good first Star Wars experience for new fans
BB8 = Wall-E ... discuss
Finally saw it. We thought the first half was great, but the second half was just ok. Certainly a bit too much recycled storyline, but they largely pulled it off. The comedic elements worked pretty well, too.
Maybe there was no mention of an Island and I just thought I heard that.
Maybe there was no mention of an Island and I just thought I heard that.
He did mention an island when he was interrogating her.
I just finished the novel, so easy to go find those parts now:
In the novel he is telling her what he sees in her mind, about when she tried to go to sleep she imagines an ocean, and says he can see the island. I can't remember if that's the exact line used in the movie, a lot is the same but there are also a lot of little differences.
So it seems she has been having visions of an island for a long time.
And going back to the people being able to watch the weapon destroy a system, it was better in the novel. The system destroyed was not the same as where Han was, they did destroy the system that was the seat of the republic, where the senate was.
In the book there are no streaks of light, the dark energy from the weapon travels even faster than hyperspace, and causes the planet to explode like a nova, taking out everything around it. In the system where Han and the gang are they just see a bright star in the sky, and Han uses sensors on the Falcon to determine what was going on. I guess with the new type of hyperspace the weapon uses you could maybe explain how they could see the light from the explosion light years away, but they really shouldn't be able to see it in real time.
Is the novel EU or is it a cannon novelization of the film based on the script? This aspect of the Star Wars franchise drives me bonkers because there is so many different cannons.
Edit: Did they have any additional explanation of how Luke's blue saber was found in the novel? I wanted to yell at the screen when that character said another story for another day. Shouldn't that light sabre be floating in the center of Bespin with Luke's hand? Bespin is a gas giant in the middle of nowhere. They sort of implied Light Sabres are magical and sentient now when the original films portrayed them as inanimate.
If I see Emma Stone has been cast in one of the next movies...
how Poe gets back to the resistance is a great little story, I hope it was filmed and will show up on the Blu-Ray, it would probably be 5 to 10 minutes of screen time.
how Poe gets back to the resistance is a great little story, I hope it was filmed and will show up on the Blu-Ray, it would probably be 5 to 10 minutes of screen time.
I'd like to see that, Poe was a good character and I would have liked to have seen more from him.
Does it explain what FN stands for, the origin of Finn's name?
I've seen theories that Snoke is actually Darth Plaguies, because Kylo Ren refers to him as wise a few times, and the music during Snoke's scenes is reminiscent of the Opera from EP III, where Palpatine is telling Anakin about the wisest Sith Lord who had conquered death. Supposedly he survived the death blow from Palpatine and went into hiding, influencing the Entire plot and history of the films.
Or maybe he's Jar Jar. Don't know.
I've seen theories that Snoke is actually Darth Plaguies, because Kylo Ren refers to him as wise a few times, and the music during Snoke's scenes is reminiscent of the Opera from EP III, where Palpatine is telling Anakin about the wisest Sith Lord who had conquered death. Supposedly he survived the death blow from Palpatine and went into hiding, influencing the Entire plot and history of the films.
Or maybe he's Jar Jar. Don't know.
I strongly doubt there will be any more than the minimum tie ins to the prequels, a good decision IMO. I could be wrong though and midichlorians, trade disputes, and virgin births may rear their ugly heads in episode 8.
For the Force's sake, I hope not. I'd point out that Plagueis was a different kind of alien, but since that book was part of the abolished EU, that's no longer an issue. The only canon info we have is what Palpatine told Anakin. And even if Abrams went with that version of Plagueis, that hologram could have anyone behind it.
That part was in the prequel widely considered to be as good or better than one of the Original movies. It has no mention of virgin births OR midichlorians. There was a lot of music from the original movies that was borrowed from, and as the prequels are established canon, it makes sense to borrow from them, too.I've seen theories that Snoke is actually Darth Plaguies, because Kylo Ren refers to him as wise a few times, and the music during Snoke's scenes is reminiscent of the Opera from EP III, where Palpatine is telling Anakin about the wisest Sith Lord who had conquered death. Supposedly he survived the death blow from Palpatine and went into hiding, influencing the Entire plot and history of the films.
Or maybe he's Jar Jar. Don't know.
I strongly doubt there will be any more than the minimum tie ins to the prequels, a good decision IMO. I could be wrong though and midichlorians, trade disputes, and virgin births may rear their ugly heads in episode 8.
For the Force's sake, I hope not. I'd point out that Plagueis was a different kind of alien, but since that book was part of the abolished EU, that's no longer an issue. The only canon info we have is what Palpatine told Anakin. And even if Abrams went with that version of Plagueis, that hologram could have anyone behind it.
Decided today to wait for the blu-ray to see this. Well, to wait for the blu-ray to see if I want to see it.
Well, Phasma is supposed to be Boba Fett. She looks cool and seems like a badass, but ultimately does absolutely nothing.Good comparison.
I'm just pointing out that this one Stormtrooper is thinking to himself, "Wow! Here's the traitor, and I've got my electric tonfa handy! Boy, this is my lucky day!" ;)
I was looking forward to Rouge One
Heck, Kylo Ren may be the ONLY person who has had a visible lightsaber to most Stormtroopers. Did they have that on hand in case they needed to deal with him going nuts? A Batman-esque continency plan to deal with their own?
I think it's more likely that they just used lightsaber-type technology in a different way. Giving ground troops swords that can only kill or maim doesn't make sense, they have blasters if they want to hurt people. Like MartyS said, it's probably for crowd control.Heck, Kylo Ren may be the ONLY person who has had a visible lightsaber to most Stormtroopers. Did they have that on hand in case they needed to deal with him going nuts? A Batman-esque continency plan to deal with their own?
The more I think about it, the more this seems a good explanation, at the very least as a retcon; it would be appropriate given how Ren is powerful but hardly even approaching stable.
The novel opens with a scene of Leia thinking about the events of the past and about having sent an exceptional Resistance pilot (Poe Dameron) to try and find her brother. This is followed by the opening scene of the Movie (the First Order forces on approach to Jakku).
FN-2187's failure to shoot the villagers is initially thought by one of his fellow troopers to be due to a "blaster jam," explaining why Captain Phasma orders him to turn in his weapon to be checked by technicians.
Leia is seen sending her personal envoy, Korr Sella, to persuade the Senate of the New Republic to act against the First Order, revealing that the Resistance is not a formal part of the New Republic armed forces. Sella is later noted to be one of the victims of the first firing of the Starkiller Base superweapon.
There is an additional scene that depicts Poe Dameron's encounter with a scavenger on Jakku and his escape from the planet following the crash of the stolen TIE fighter.
There is an additional scene at Maz Kanata's castle, just after Finn's decision to try and flee the conflict. Unkar Plutt and some of his henchmen arrive and attempt to abduct Rey and BB-8. Rey tries to shoot him with the blaster given to her by Han, but she has not taken the safety off, and is quickly disarmed by Plutt. This is may explain why in the movie she is shown taking the safety off before attacking a group of stormtroopers. Rey is rescued by the intervention of Chewbacca, whom Plutt unwisely aggravates by poking at his wounded shoulder. Chewbacca responds by ripping off Plutt's arm.
Snoke was active during the Clone Wars and had several apprentices before he became invested in the Skywalker bloodline, believing General Leia Organa and Han Solo's son Ben, the grandson of Darth Vader, had the right balance of the dark and light sides of the Force in him.[3]
Leia was aware of the influence Snoke could have on her son, but did not inform Han, believing he would not understand and that as a Force-sensitive, it was her responsibility to keep Ben away from the dark side.[3] Eventually, Snoke turned Ben to the dark side, anointing him Kylo, master of the Knights of Ren, and ordered him to destroy Luke Skywalker's revived Jedi Order.[1]
Shortly before the Battle of Starkiller Base, Snoke summoned Kylo Ren to discuss an awakening in the Force, and he ordered Ren to kill his father to overcome his temptation by the light. He demanded that the prisoner Rey be brought before him when Kylo Ren proved unable to read her mind. When the destruction of Starkiller Base by the Resistance pilots was inevitable, Snoke ordered General Hux to bring Ren to him in order to complete his training.
All I have to say is ... HAN NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :speechless:
All I have to say is ... HAN NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :speechless:
What are you talking about? In the English version Kylo Ren clearly explains how he is performing an emergency appendectomy on Han just before letting him go bungee jumping.
All I have to say is ... HAN NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :speechless:
What are you talking about? In the English version Kylo Ren clearly explains how he is performing an emergency appendectomy on Han just before letting him go bungee jumping.
yeah, but then chewie got all angry that he couldn't go bungee jumping, so he blew the place up.
I thought the scene worked and was played well and it was what Ford has wanted since about 1979.
Imrahil has admitted in interviews that he has not watched the movie yet and has been hate reading spoilers for months. ;)
Ah well then.. Carry on smartly then ;DAll I have to say is ... HAN NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :speechless:
What are you talking about? In the English version Kylo Ren clearly explains how he is performing an emergency appendectomy on Han just before letting him go bungee jumping.
yeah, but then chewie got all angry that he couldn't go bungee jumping, so he blew the place up.
Rey and Finn were only upset because they had been planning on performing the surgery themselves, in an attempt to boost their surgical careers by operating on a high profile patient. Ren didn't approve of them using his father in such a way, which is why he performed the surgery himself.
I thought the scene worked and was played well and it was what Ford has wanted since about 1979.Unless ADF took some serious liberties in the novel it doesn't seem like the intent was to make Ren more menacing, it was to cement his turn to the dark side, and it remains to be seen what will come of it, he was even more conflicted after doing it, that's why Chewie was able to get his shot in.
We knew we needed to do something fucking bold. The only reason why Kylo Ren has any hope of being a worthy successor is because we lose one of the most beloved charactersFrom here: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/J-J-Abrams-Says-Why-Star-Wars-Shocking-Death-Had-Happen-101597.html
I thought the scene worked and was played well and it was what Ford has wanted since about 1979.Unless ADF took some serious liberties in the novel it doesn't seem like the intent was to make Ren more menacing, it was to cement his turn to the dark side, and it remains to be seen what will come of it, he was even more conflicted after doing it, that's why Chewie was able to get his shot in.QuoteWe knew we needed to do something fucking bold. The only reason why Kylo Ren has any hope of being a worthy successor is because we lose one of the most beloved charactersFrom here: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/J-J-Abrams-Says-Why-Star-Wars-Shocking-Death-Had-Happen-101597.html
I mean he says it right there; Han died to make Kylo Ren "cool."
Imrahil, Lawful, you are both just wrong. I could say why but I don't have time to write an essay right now.
It's ok, we disagree so much on this movie, I dont know that you could change my opinion.Kylo Ren... He's a hell of an interrogator. He also gets shit done. Also... did you think about why he'd rather take out his anger on a control panel instead of on his own soldiers? What I'm trying to say is there's more to him than you or Imrahil give him credit for. You both have always struck me as being so cynical. I also I don't know if either of you want to look beyond the surface of someone's character and examining their deeper motivations.
I'm cynical about the decisions expressed by the director (and partial writer) related to the crafting of the story.I think you'll see whatever you want to see whenever it suits your taste.
It's like Isaac with Peter Jackson ::)I was going to say Oscar Isaac? Then I realized you probably meant former forum member Isaac....
I'm cynical about the decisions expressed by the director (and partial writer) related to the crafting of the story.I think you'll see whatever you want to see whenever it suits your taste.
I'll turn that right back around on you. You liked the movie because it relied (overmuch) on attempting to evoke emotion rather than logic or storytelling. Your taste, in other words.No, I liked it because it told a good story, and had great characters.
I'll turn that right back around on you. You liked the movie because it relied (overmuch) on attempting to evoke emotion rather than logic or storytelling. Your taste, in other words.No, I liked it because it told a good story, and had great characters.
You know what Imrahil? I try very hard to like you, but sometimes you make that very damn difficult for me.
So it isn't fair to peg you for liking a movie based on your admitted predilections and preferences--maybe even prejudices--even though you did the same to me right beforehand?Imrahil, in my experience you tend to be very negative. In my opinion, you just don't know when to quit with the negativity. I honestly can't remember the last time you said "oh that was an AMAZING, awesome movie!". You tend to come across in my view as very aggressive in your stances and opinions on things. So, I'm sorry for what I said, but it's very hard to talk to you in a way where I can explain how I feel the way I do. My problem is I don't know how to explain in a way that will make you understand.
So it isn't fair to peg you for liking a movie based on your admitted predilections and preferences--maybe even prejudices--even though you did the same to me right beforehand?
I have had to think about the Force Awakens for the past 2 weeks because I really didn't know if I was being Phantom menaced again or what not... I'm still thinking hard about it, because critical thinking is really becoming too much of an overwhelming activity for me these days
So it isn't fair to peg you for liking a movie based on your admitted predilections and preferences--maybe even prejudices--even though you did the same to me right beforehand?Imrahil, in my experience you tend to be very negative. I honestly can't remember the last time you said "Oh, that was really damn good". In my opinion, you just don't know when to quit with the negativity. You tend to come across in my view as very aggressive in your stances and opinions on things. So, I'm sorry for what I said, but it's very hard to talk to you in a way where I can explain how I feel the way I do. My problem is I don't know how to explain in a way that will make you understand.
I completely disagree on your assessment of Ren's character. Yelling and throwing temper tantrums doesn't make you an interesting character. If that was a good character, Anakin would be one. His interrogation is literally because he has a power that allows him to rifle through someone's thoughts. Pretty sure ANYONE would be pretty solid at it if they had that ability.Here's the thing about Anakin... I'm not sure between the prequels there's really any way of understanding him at all. He comes off as very shallow with the way he ogles Padme. He just doesn't make a whole lot of sense as a character at all. Anakin... just really doesn't do much of anything. He falls thousands of feet, lands on a car without so much as a bruise, then is unable to leap over Obi-Wan high enough to keep all his arms and legs from being chopped off... do you see what I'm saying here?! I can't even recall one scene in the prequels where Anakin used the force in a way that was memorable. He didn't even really have any character moments because in my view, Anakin's turn to the dark side actually happened BEFORE episode 2. I mean what else explains a lot of his behaviors in that movie?
And don't you tell me that I don't look past the surface on characters or anything in the Star Wars franchise. I'm one of those people that can look past the negatives of the prequels, something that I don't think many of the patrons of this forum can do. I know tons of people hate Sucker Punch and write it off as a fan service film, but there's a LOT of depth and interesting characterization in it.
Cynical, I'll accept. I expect the worst and I hope for the best. That's it. But I don't write off characters based on their surface motivations. I'd say I'm better than most people at finding nuance in characters. But Kylo Ren is a shit character and the only reason he has ANY umph is that he killed Han.
I'm sorry Lawful I just can't bring myself to agree with you... on anything you said, especially re: the prequels. When I see Anakin, I just don't see a lot of what you're seeing, seriously, I just don't. I admit, maybe that's a failure on my part, however, it's just a compromise I am not willing to even consider.
That's fine. But there's literally no way you can accuse me of not looking for depth in characters. I don't even LIKE Episode II. But I can find the positive notes in it. I can see where Hayden is dropping the ham, and what was actually intended.I am sorry. I am really sorry. I'm not sure what else to say.
On a side note, I went into TFA wanting to like Ren, especially when I read and saw the plot. I really, really didn't, and I think the blame for that falls on Abrams and Driver.
Reading the articles about what other ideas the writers had I still think the death scene works the best. The story is about the new kids, if you have Han and Leia getting back together for a happy ending what the heck do you do with them in the next 2 movies? Does anyone think Ren is going to survive the trilogy? Han and Leia would just be torn apart again having to fight their son.
I fall firmly into the camp that Obi-Wan went and got some tail in exile.
I thought the scene worked and was played well and it was what Ford has wanted since about 1979.Unless ADF took some serious liberties in the novel it doesn't seem like the intent was to make Ren more menacing, it was to cement his turn to the dark side, and it remains to be seen what will come of it, he was even more conflicted after doing it, that's why Chewie was able to get his shot in.QuoteWe knew we needed to do something fucking bold. The only reason why Kylo Ren has any hope of being a worthy successor is because we lose one of the most beloved charactersFrom here: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/J-J-Abrams-Says-Why-Star-Wars-Shocking-Death-Had-Happen-101597.html
I mean he says it right there; Han died to make Kylo Ren "cool."
While he had the potential of being too whine-y and not enough evil, J.J. Abrams cemented Ren’s role as a true villain by having Ren kill arguably the most popular character in the entire Star Wars franchise. And audiences are now ready for someone to take the villain down.
Something that was pointed out to me was that when she picked up Luke's saber, Ewen McGregor and Alec Guiness had voice cameos. I fall firmly into the camp that Obi-Wan went and got some tail in exile.She also hears Yoda at that point so maybe he's in her blood somewhere.
Reading the articles about what other ideas the writers had I still think the death scene works the best. The story is about the new kids, if you have Han and Leia getting back together for a happy ending what the heck do you do with them in the next 2 movies? Does anyone think Ren is going to survive the trilogy? Han and Leia would just be torn apart again having to fight their son.
He's either going to die or have a crippling accident at the end of the next movie. I don't think he will be the villain in the 3rd. That slot is reserved for Plagueis.
The next movie will also reveal that Rey is the daughter of Obi-Wan. Something that was pointed out to me was that when she picked up Luke's saber, Ewen McGregor and Alec Guiness had voice cameos. I fall firmly into the camp that Obi-Wan went and got some tail in exile.
Force Awakens is not a remake of New Hope! Jebus, you people are ok watching the same friggin comic book origin story over again, but certain elements of a New Hope are in Force Awakens and all the sudden JJ is (more) horrible. Why is it not a remake? Well let's see: Rey doesn't meet a old man sage who guides her, she guides her damn self. She met a potential boyfriend but what does the movie play up? Their platonic feelings for each other (no Luke/Leia/Han sexual tension here).
Force Awakens is not a remake of New Hope! Jebus, you people are ok watching the same friggin comic book origin story over again, but certain elements of a New Hope are in Force Awakens and all the sudden JJ is (more) horrible. Why is it not a remake? Well let's see: Rey doesn't meet a old man sage who guides her, she guides her damn self. She met a potential boyfriend but what does the movie play up? Their platonic feelings for each other (no Luke/Leia/Han sexual tension here).
I'm sorry, but you're COMPLETELY wrong here. Rey DOES meet an older father figure;Han takes up that role of wise guide that Obi-Wan did in the first movie. There really wasn't sexual tension between Luke and Leia until Empire, either. I agree that Rey is a fantastic character, but this movie is nearly a shot for shot remake.
(http://i.imgur.com/BHOP38H.jpg)Quality.
So it isn't fair to peg you for liking a movie based on your admitted predilections and preferences--maybe even prejudices--even though you did the same to me right beforehand?Imrahil, in my experience you tend to be very negative. In my opinion, you just don't know when to quit with the negativity. I honestly can't remember the last time you said "oh that was an AMAZING, awesome movie!".
Arthur Christmas was a great movie.
You tend to come across in my view as very aggressive in your stances and opinions on things. So, I'm sorry for what I said, but it's very hard to talk to you in a way where I can explain how I feel the way I do. My problem is I don't know how to explain in a way that will make you understand.
It's not quality, it feels like it was made by somebody who wants to re-start an argument. That's something I don't need or want right now.What?
golly gee dern, folks. Yes, I was overstating it purposefully.
I think I understand completely well. I just don't agree with your priorities; I don't think an emotional connection is the most important element in a movie. I don't like being manipulated by cheap theatrics. That's the difference.I don't see things that way Im. I'm also sorry you feel like I'm... I don't know what you mean, but it doesn't sound very flattering.
There's also the matter of RotJ recycling Tattooine and having another Death Star.
Say what you want about ROTJ, but I really like it quite a lot. Only two things really drag it down, and that's the musical number in Jabba's palace, and the Ewoks. Fine, I'll concede on those two points. However, and I admit this is just me, but I find the climax to be so emotionally satisfying. Luke fighting his father... the music that ensues, you can't see Vaders face in that scene but you already know that he knows he's pressed the wrong nerve with the thread of turning Leia to the dark side. As a kid, that always gave me chills and still does to this day. It's also fascinating to me in that moment because Darth Vader in my eyes went from being a straight up horrible bad guy to being a vulnerable character who I really felt for. Then when Luke looks at Vader's arm, the severed hand and then he looks at his own hand, damn, I found so much depth in that moment.There's also the matter of RotJ recycling Tattooine and having another Death Star.Just two of the things that make it a not very good movie. ROTS is better.
There's also the matter of RotJ recycling Tattooine and having another Death Star.
Just two of the things that make it a not very good movie. ROTS is better.
There's also the matter of RotJ recycling Tattooine and having another Death Star.
Just two of the things that make it a not very good movie. ROTS is better.
but.. EWOKS! they're so CUTE!
For me... if certain things in a movie are good enough, I am more than willing to overlook anything that might otherwise tend to annoy or bug me. It's okay to get lost in a fantasy world a movie portrays, but just don't let yourself get... too lost, if that makes any sense.
For me... if certain things in a movie are good enough, I am more than willing to overlook anything that might otherwise tend to annoy or bug me. It's okay to get lost in a fantasy world a movie portrays, but just don't let yourself get... too lost, if that makes any sense.
The difference between something like Star Wars and Star Trek, though, is that Star Trek bases it's universe off of a future of ours. Same rules, same laws of physics. Star Wars is purportedly a past version of our universe, and while I can accept some things, bending the laws of physics is a hard pill to swallow. Not impossible, but VERY hard. Even if I could look past those things if "certain things were good enough", in this case I couldn't, because they're simply not. This is a mid tier film. If A New Hope was a 5, this would be a 5.1.
I also noticed her accent...
You know who else used a (bad) British accent early on in Star Wars: Leia.....
There's also the matter of RotJ recycling Tattooine and having another Death Star.
Just two of the things that make it a not very good movie. ROTS is better.
For me... if certain things in a movie are good enough, I am more than willing to overlook anything that might otherwise tend to annoy or bug me. It's okay to get lost in a fantasy world a movie portrays, but just don't let yourself get... too lost, if that makes any sense.
The difference between something like Star Wars and Star Trek, though, is that Star Trek bases it's universe off of a future of ours. Same rules, same laws of physics. Star Wars is purportedly a past version of our universe, and while I can accept some things, bending the laws of physics is a hard pill to swallow. Not impossible, but VERY hard. Even if I could look past those things if "certain things were good enough", in this case I couldn't, because they're simply not. This is a mid tier film. If A New Hope was a 5, this would be a 5.1.
the Jabba's Palace/Barge bit has almost nothing to do with the rest of the movie and Luke's plan is insane.
Also, Imrahil, I am very interested to find out that you rank ROTS over ROTJ. I wouldn't have guessed.
ROTJ departed a lot from it Partially this is due to switching some key players--Johnston had a lot more to do with the designs in ROTJ than McQuarrie did, who only did a few paintings (far fewer than he did for the other two films), and Nilo Rodis-Jamero was no John Mollo. I fucking hate Rodis-Jamero's costume designs for the most part. They're so cliche. Everyone on Tatooine in ROTJ just looks like an extra from Mad Max, and this carried over to the prequels and now the sequels (Rey's outfit, for example).
Well Imrahil I'm sorry you were disappointed.Hey Ranking it 5th ain't too bad..
Hey Ranking it 5th ain't too bad..Certain people had me questioning myself, so that's in part why I saw it 2 and 3 times. It took me a lot of viewings to completely process it. I'd rank it just behind Empire Strikes back. Just like no Trek movie has ever exceeded The Wrath of Khan, no Star Wars movie will ever exceed ESB... but I'd be more than happy if Rian Johnson proves me wrong end of next year.
I'd rank it 4th as of now behind the first 3 originals :o
Well Imrahil I'm sorry you were disappointed.Hey Ranking it 5th ain't too bad..
I'd rank it 4th as of now behind the first 3 originals :o
Well, I saw it.
It wasn't as bad as I feared, but still not as good as everyone says. I'd rank it 5th best. Han was good (still pissed they killed him, rewrote his backstory to make his later years basically shit). Lots of stuff was not good. Kylo was not as bad as I'd feared either, though I think they made a big mistake in having him de-mask before he faced Han.
- Huge plot problems. The destruction of the Republic system should have been way, way more highlighted as important. It was just eye candy. This shouldn't have been the final version.
- The big weapon is insanely stupid. It makes the sun go dark? WTF? What about this massive blast of radiation and these guys are all just sitting there a few miles away watching it? Resistance apparently just has to wait a few years and everyone in the First Order will die of leukemia.
- Stormtrooper armor still sucks apparently. Only filters smoke? Are these guys combat troops or firefighters?
- Rey is way overpowered and does not make sense as a hero--they jumped over way too much.
- Finn's character does not make sense (so he's trained as a janitor or a stormtrooper? Which one? He's trained for 30 years to kill, then just quits? Has no problems killing right after that intro scene though? Huh?).
- I think I'm going to call the other one Bro Dameron. He's very "dude brah" to me, with all his whooping and highfiving and stuff. The whole intro scene between the two guys in the TIE fighter was just cringe-worthy.
I guess it's better than AOTC or TPM, but I'm not going to rush out to watch it again. Or indeed, watch the file I acquired.
It's just not that good, guys. I get that you're all glad it isn't the prequels, but I think time will show that this movie is seriously overrated right now.
Hey Ranking it 5th ain't too bad..Certain people had me questioning myself, so that's in part why I saw it 2 and 3 times. It took me a lot of viewings to completely process it. I'd rank it just behind Empire Strikes back. Just like no Trek movie has ever exceeded The Wrath of Khan, no Star Wars movie will ever exceed ESB... but I'd be more than happy if Rian Johnson proves me wrong end of next year.
I'd rank it 4th as of now behind the first 3 originals :o
Star Whores: The Cock Awakens
Finn arrives on Jackuoff to meet Rey, a young woman who is particularly skilled at handling his staff. Too soon, though, their rendevouz is cut short by the evil First Whorder, a group of villains who have the goal of resetting up the Slutlactic Dickpire's rules that sex must only be done in the missionary position with the lights off! Follow the journey of our heroes as they battle the evil Kylie Ren, a dark and mysterious woman and agent of the First Whorder, and meet several series regulars along the way, including Chewcocka, Luke Skyhumper, C3-Peniso, and many others!
Starring Sasha Grey, and a guy no one cares about because nobody cares about male porn stars.
I wonder if Netflix will pay me for that summary.
It's just not that good, guys. I get that you're all glad it isn't the prequels, but I think time will show that this movie is seriously overrated right now.
So confident and self-righteous, and yet so many people don't care what you think.I stand by you, my friend.
I enjoyed your post until this bullshit.
Even though it had issues I still enjoyed it. Despite JJ Abrams involvement, it still felt like a Star Wars movie.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I just figured that working in sanitation, and other menial roles, was what they had the Stormtroopers doing while they were being trained up to be soldiers.Even though it had issues I still enjoyed it. Despite JJ Abrams involvement, it still felt like a Star Wars movie.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Janitor to stormtrooper makes sense to you? It'd be like making Dave Lister a marine.
In all fairness, we never got the full story.Even though it had issues I still enjoyed it. Despite JJ Abrams involvement, it still felt like a Star Wars movie.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Janitor to stormtrooper makes sense to you? It'd be like making Dave Lister a marine.
It's just not that good, guys. I get that you're all glad it isn't the prequels, but I think time will show that this movie is seriously overrated right now.
So confident and self-righteous, and yet so many people don't care what you think.
I enjoyed your post until this bullshit.
It's just not that good, guys. I get that you're all glad it isn't the prequels, but I think time will show that this movie is seriously overrated right now.
So confident and self-righteous, and yet so many people don't care what you think.
I enjoyed your post until this bullshit.
Thanks for the unprovoked ad hominem.
Don't regular soldiers do all the various tasks in the military? A soldier doing janitorial duty is not the same as a janitor becoming a soldier.
It's just not that good, guys. I get that you're all glad it isn't the prequels, but I think time will show that this movie is seriously overrated right now.
So confident and self-righteous, and yet so many people don't care what you think.
I enjoyed your post until this bullshit.
Thanks for the unprovoked ad hominem.
You're welcome. I hope you take it heart and provide your opinions without telling us if what we should think is "correct."
Also, your attitude has been discussed a lot in this thread, so my statement was neither unprovoked or ad hominem (I don't care about your criticisms, I have a problem with your attitude with the sentence I quoted).
*kisses!
Don't regular soldiers do all the various tasks in the military? A soldier doing janitorial duty is not the same as a janitor becoming a soldier.
As for Rey knowing how to deal with the technology on the starkiller, in the novel she recognized that the First Order was using the same technology as all the stuff she had been scavenging from the crashed empire ships.
Don't regular soldiers do all the various tasks in the military? A soldier doing janitorial duty is not the same as a janitor becoming a soldier.
As for Rey knowing how to deal with the technology on the starkiller, in the novel she recognized that the First Order was using the same technology as all the stuff she had been scavenging from the crashed empire ships.
Are you under the impression that stormtroopers are just the "regular soldiers"? I assumed they were elites like seal teams or something. I always thought the regular soldiers were just these guys (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Army_trooper). So yeah, to me it's weird. Just another thing in his character which is played for laughs--which would work if he didn't have the background the story is telling us he does, and he was just some "ordinary schmo."
Don't regular soldiers do all the various tasks in the military? A soldier doing janitorial duty is not the same as a janitor becoming a soldier.
As for Rey knowing how to deal with the technology on the starkiller, in the novel she recognized that the First Order was using the same technology as all the stuff she had been scavenging from the crashed empire ships.
Are you under the impression that stormtroopers are just the "regular soldiers"? I assumed they were elites like seal teams or something. I always thought the regular soldiers were just these guys (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Army_trooper). So yeah, to me it's weird. Just another thing in his character which is played for laughs--which would work if he didn't have the background the story is telling us he does, and he was just some "ordinary schmo."
I never ever thought of stormtroopers being "elite". For one thing there are way too many of them, if they were like seal teams there would only be small groups of them, not many thousands. Also when ever we have seen them on the battlefield they sure act like regular soldiers. Maybe they are one step above those guys in that link, but when have we seen those guys on screen?
I never read any of the EU books, so my opinion of them is based on what we have seen in the movies or in the novels for the movies.
And yet, the First Order has one deserter, and they send squadrons and fanatical vibro-tonfa guy to wreck him a new one. Which one is the more concerned about loyalty, really? ;)
In the novel it does make them very concerned, they were sure they could weed out anyone that could possibly turn by all the testing andbrainwashingtraining they were doing, so someone that never showed a single blip suddenly turning was making them worried that it could happen to any trooper.
With any luck, it'll be part of the 20 mins or so of deleted footage that JJ Abrams mentioned.
As for people thinking the dialog was bad... some people spend so much time in fiction that they don't know a genuine sentence when they hear it.I have a degree in English. (I spent two years studying film and they canceled the program.) I can't speak for Lawful. I agree with Imrahil that it is seriously overrated. Is it bad? No, I made it clear that I enjoyed it. Why the fanboy hate for anyone that has differing opinions?
Why the fanboy hate for anyone that has differing opinions?
As for people thinking the dialog was bad... some people spend so much time in fiction that they don't know a genuine sentence when they hear it.I have a degree in English. (I spent two years studying film and they canceled the program.) I can't speak for Lawful. I agree with Imrahil that it is seriously overrated. Is it bad? No, I made it clear that I enjoyed it. Why the fanboy hate for anyone that has differing opinions?
Hey. Hey, you guys. I also loved the medic lady talking to Chewie all "It sounds like you were very brave." and he responds all like "Yeah, I was pretty brave."
As for people thinking the dialog was bad... some people spend so much time in fiction that they don't know a genuine sentence when they hear it.I have a degree in English. (I spent two years studying film and they canceled the program.) I can't speak for Lawful. I agree with Imrahil that it is seriously overrated. Is it bad? No, I made it clear that I enjoyed it. Why the fanboy hate for anyone that has differing opinions?
Hey. Hey, you guys. I also loved the medic lady talking to Chewie all "It sounds like you were very brave." and he responds all like "Yeah, I was pretty brave."Ah, the always lovely Harriet Walter. :)
This might have to be the first novelization I've read since the one for Jedi (which actually was the only version of Jedi I knew for years)Hey. Hey, you guys. I also loved the medic lady talking to Chewie all "It sounds like you were very brave." and he responds all like "Yeah, I was pretty brave."
I like to imagine he was talking about how there was this guy treating his wound that didn't know what he was doing and it really hurt! And how he really wanted to kill that guy! ;D
I hope they filmed a longer version of the scene at the end when Rey gets into the pilot chair in the Falcon, that is pretty great in the novel.
Funny thing, my mom actually recognized her when we went to see the movie this past Saturday, from all the British stuff she watches.Hey. Hey, you guys. I also loved the medic lady talking to Chewie all "It sounds like you were very brave." and he responds all like "Yeah, I was pretty brave."Ah, the always lovely Harriet Walter. :)
I doubt we'd ever see that, I do remember there was a Luke figure where Luke's right hand came off and could be re-attached magnetically.
Apparently Han didn't die in the Arndt version of the script. So yeah, that's JJ trying to "make his mark" (on someone else's canvas).
He's such a fuck.
He's such a fuckLet me ask you, how do you expect someone to respond to that?
He's such a fuckLet me ask you, how do you expect someone to respond to that?
Apparently Han didn't die in the Arndt version of the script. So yeah, that's JJ trying to "make his mark" (on someone else's canvas).
He's such a fuck.
People are seriously writing articles saying the science of TFA is wrong? It's the science in Star Wars, it's always been total bullshit you nit picky, whiny assholes.
People are seriously writing articles saying the science of TFA is wrong? It's the science in Star Wars, it's always been total bullshit you nit picky, whiny assholes.
To be fair, they really went crazy out of the realm of reality on this episode. Absorbing a star is stupid as hell. The more I think about it the dumber it is.
Yes, moisture farming on a desert planet
The thing is, if you're older than about 15 and unreservedly love any movie, you're perhaps a wee bit too uncritical in your appreciation of things. But finding niggles shouldn't cause the whole thing to be ruined for you. That goes o the whole suspension of disbelief thing.
I like we have the hide function now we've got a new Isaac though.People are seriously writing articles saying the science of TFA is wrong? It's the science in Star Wars, it's always been total bullshit you nit picky, whiny assholes.
To be fair, they really went crazy out of the realm of reality on this episode. Absorbing a star is stupid as hell. The more I think about it the dumber it is.
Yes, moisture farming on a desert planet, armour that doesn't shiild you, wonky-legged tank thingys, no guardrails in your space station where lazers go right past the guys firing it, etc, etc
No, a lazer using the power of a sun is clearly where to draw the line
Exactly. :)The thing is, if you're older than about 15 and unreservedly love any movie, you're perhaps a wee bit too uncritical in your appreciation of things. But finding niggles shouldn't cause the whole thing to be ruined for you. That goes o the whole suspension of disbelief thing.
Déjà vu, and here I thought we were done with the suspension of disbelief topic....
It is possible to have a few complaints about something and still like it. Movies are like people, not one is perfect, blindly ignoring any flaws is just as unhealthy as obsessing over them.
And now, to honor what I said earlier, a quibble I had with Jaws. Brody's taste in wine is shit.I think the wine was brought by Hooper. Which doesn't make it any better because he is established as being wealthy and educated, so you'd think he'd know about wine.
Or was that stuff brought by Hooper (I might be confusing the wine purchases with The Goodbye Girl now)
Anyway, terrible wine!
Though I will say contemplating the budget meeting for the Star Killer has fun potential.
So I'm delicately trying to say... TFA gave me a great story with new characters I can love and care about again. If that's not enough for you, then I don't know what to tell you.
It doesn't mean that he doesn't think about it. It just means that what flaws he sees aren't deal breakers to him.So I'm delicately trying to say... TFA gave me a great story with new characters I can love and care about again. If that's not enough for you, then I don't know what to tell you.
If we ever get a Rifftrax of TFA will you avoid it? There would be jokes pointing out all it's flaws.
How can you really enjoy something without thinking about it? And when you think about stuff you reveal the greatness and also any flaws. Even for movies I love and have watched dozens of times I can point to moments that I wish were not there or could have been better, doesn't mean I won't watch those movies many more times in the future and enjoy the heck out of them each time.
If we ever get a Rifftrax of TFAI think that's a given.
It doesn't mean that he doesn't think about it. It just means that what flaws he sees aren't deal breakers to him.So I'm delicately trying to say... TFA gave me a great story with new characters I can love and care about again. If that's not enough for you, then I don't know what to tell you.
If we ever get a Rifftrax of TFA will you avoid it? There would be jokes pointing out all it's flaws.
How can you really enjoy something without thinking about it? And when you think about stuff you reveal the greatness and also any flaws. Even for movies I love and have watched dozens of times I can point to moments that I wish were not there or could have been better, doesn't mean I won't watch those movies many more times in the future and enjoy the heck out of them each time.
Thing is Star Wars is a fantasy movie with technological trappings.
Might as well talk about how the Eye of Sauron doesn't work with any laws of science applicable to telecommunication.
It doesn't mean that he doesn't think about it. It just means that what flaws he sees aren't deal breakers to him.So I'm delicately trying to say... TFA gave me a great story with new characters I can love and care about again. If that's not enough for you, then I don't know what to tell you.
If we ever get a Rifftrax of TFA will you avoid it? There would be jokes pointing out all it's flaws.
How can you really enjoy something without thinking about it? And when you think about stuff you reveal the greatness and also any flaws. Even for movies I love and have watched dozens of times I can point to moments that I wish were not there or could have been better, doesn't mean I won't watch those movies many more times in the future and enjoy the heck out of them each time.
Yeah, sorry, I think I was thinking more of ScottotD said, if someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson wants to have some fun and educate people by pointing out how much energy a star has and how it would vaporize that planet to try and store it all I don't think he should be called a nit picky, whiny asshole....
I can't imagine anyone who would find Jaws doesn't work for them because you can't actually explode a shark like that. As long as the internal logic of the movie works, it's fine. And heck, there are some times when even when the internal logic is broken it still works or can even be improved (when done right, of course).
80% - It was fun and I enjoyed it or higherI think it's more 60% OMG IT WAS AMAZING and 40% it was ok. Even Imrahil thought it was ok. He just didn't like it as much as everyone's hype tried to make him. Also he felt that killing Han like that was bullshit, which is fair.
10% - meh
10% - JAR JAR ABRAMS IS THE DEVIL! WAAAH!
There's a rumor floating around that the "Traitor!" stormtrooper was originally supposed to be Phasma, but I can't find anything to prove or disprove this.
:clap: :clap: Now I just want to see someone take the clip of Kylo Ren destroying the control panel and dub over it with Donald Duck having a tantrum.(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ao99GMA_460sa.gif)
Everyone talks about Kylo Ren throwing a tantrum.... you know... sometimes when you're majorly pissed off, you just have to break stuff. It's certainly more productive than killing your officers.
I'd like to think there was a conversation before episode VII that happened, and it goes something like this:
"Okay... if you're gonna be like... you know, the new boss man sith dude with a mask, you can't be killing our Fleet Officers all willy nilly like Darth Vader did."
"Awwww... not even one? Well, who should I kill instead?"
"NOBODY!! Just... break something, okay? Just don't kill anybody! The Empire was demoralized enough as it is."
"Alright, I'll just break stuff instead."
"Thank you. Just Remember Kylo... shit can be replaced, officers of the First Order cannot."
This would also explain why Hux has no problems challenging Ren's authority.
In ANH Vader was a subordinate of Grand Moff Tarkin.Everyone talks about Kylo Ren throwing a tantrum.... you know... sometimes when you're majorly pissed off, you just have to break stuff. It's certainly more productive than killing your officers.
I'd like to think there was a conversation before episode VII that happened, and it goes something like this:
"Okay... if you're gonna be like... you know, the new boss man sith dude with a mask, you can't be killing our Fleet Officers all willy nilly like Darth Vader did."
"Awwww... not even one? Well, who should I kill instead?"
"NOBODY!! Just... break something, okay? Just don't kill anybody! The Empire was demoralized enough as it is."
"Alright, I'll just break stuff instead."
"Thank you. Just Remember Kylo... shit can be replaced, officers of the First Order cannot."
This would also explain why Hux has no problems challenging Ren's authority.
That's a cool way to think about it. I love the sibling Rivalry between the two. I am looking forward to seeing how it plays out. You have to admit, Vader never had to compete for the Emperor's attention, he would just kill them.
It would have made more sense for that to be the case, I assumed there were scheduling problems when that scene was filmed.
In ANH Vader was a subordinate of Grand Moff Tarkin.Everyone talks about Kylo Ren throwing a tantrum.... you know... sometimes when you're majorly pissed off, you just have to break stuff. It's certainly more productive than killing your officers.
I'd like to think there was a conversation before episode VII that happened, and it goes something like this:
"Okay... if you're gonna be like... you know, the new boss man sith dude with a mask, you can't be killing our Fleet Officers all willy nilly like Darth Vader did."
"Awwww... not even one? Well, who should I kill instead?"
"NOBODY!! Just... break something, okay? Just don't kill anybody! The Empire was demoralized enough as it is."
"Alright, I'll just break stuff instead."
"Thank you. Just Remember Kylo... shit can be replaced, officers of the First Order cannot."
This would also explain why Hux has no problems challenging Ren's authority.
That's a cool way to think about it. I love the sibling Rivalry between the two. I am looking forward to seeing how it plays out. You have to admit, Vader never had to compete for the Emperor's attention, he would just kill them.
Interesting (but I doubt it) theory on Snoke:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Interesting (but I doubt it) theory on Snoke:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Eehh. Why would he worship the helmet then?
Eehh. Why would he worship the helmet then?It's symbolic... maybe even symbiotic(For both Vader and Kylo Ren)? The identity of some villains and characters in Star Wars is less the person and more the helmet/outfit, kind of like the Dread Pirate Roberts. It's like what Ben did when he took on the identity of Kylo Ren. Putting on the mask means he is above morality, powerful enough that he answers to nobody but Snoke. There is no more love, compassion or family, there's just the inner selfish desires that are sort of diverted towards the goal of controlling others under threat of death.
Interesting (but I doubt it) theory on Snoke:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Eehh. Why would he worship the helmet then?
Just because he's a Sith Lord that doesn't make him a good business manager. Maybe Vader force choked a bunch of people and he got demoted?
But I do agree with you, it did seem a little odd it retrospect to see him taking orders from Tarkin who outright mocks the usefulness of The Force.
Andy Serkis weighed in on the idea that Snoke was Plagueis, and quashed that theory. He also stated that it was "Someone we hadn't seen before", so it won't be Vader. I'm disappointed that it's not Plagueis, after all, I'd love to see him plotting his revenge against Palpatine by being better at the Empire than he was.
Andy Serkis weighed in on the idea that Snoke was Plagueis, and quashed that theory. He also stated that it was "Someone we hadn't seen before", so it won't be Vader. I'm disappointed that it's not Plagueis, after all, I'd love to see him plotting his revenge against Palpatine by being better at the Empire than he was.
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People desperately looking for holes #2:
Ren's a weak villain because he was almost beaten by Rey (after being shot by the lazer shotgun that is the Bowcaster but apparently that's not relevant) despite the fact Vader had trouble with Luke TWICE and lost the second time even though he'd been a studying the force for about 30 years to Luke's 4 or so.
People desperately looking for holes #2:
Ren's a weak villain because he was almost beaten by Rey (after being shot by the lazer shotgun that is the Bowcaster but apparently that's not relevant) despite the fact Vader had trouble with Luke TWICE and lost the second time even though he'd been a studying the force for about 30 years to Luke's 4 or so.
The only part of your point I disagree with was Vader having trouble with Luke twice. In Empire I always thought it seemed Vader had the fight in hand 90 percent of the time but held back to try and tempt Luke instead of destroy him.
Rey also has had melee weapon experience, though, with her staff. She does seem to still need practice with it. Ren did get emotional before the deed and hesitated after (which gave Chewie time to fire at him).Any martial artist will tell you that there's a massive difference between a staff and a sword. All of Ren's "emotion" before can be viewed as an attempt to fake out Han and the audience into thinking Han wouldn't die, not actual emotion. Maybe afterwards it was real, but it just makes him more one dimensional as a villain in my opinion. For someone who wants to be like grandpa, he shouldn't have those kinds of feelings. Anakin choked out his pregnant wife when he thought she was turning from him. Maybe you can view it as "Ren will turn", but that makes him LESS threatening. With Vader, you weren't sure that he would turn. You wanted him to, but there was no guarantee. They didn't add that doubt until the last 30 of Jedi. Ren is a crybaby emo brat. He takes after Luke, as far as the whiny goes.
(Incidentally that also makes him better than Kylo Ren, because Ren didn't have any qualms about killing daddy.)
I understood that as "Hey dad, I need your help in something", and that something was stabby stab stab related. Han took it as "Mah boy needs meh".(Incidentally that also makes him better than Kylo Ren, because Ren didn't have any qualms about killing daddy.)
"I don't know if I'm strong enough to do what I have to do, will you help me?" Was him having at least one qualm, wasn't it?
Possible contract reason would be my guess.It would have made more sense for that to be the case, I assumed there were scheduling problems when that scene was filmed.
Why wouldn't they have just put someone else in the costume?
True, which is why her technique wasn't all that great. The thing, though, is that Ren doesn't actually know what Vader was like. He only thinks he does.Yeah, at the earliest he was conceived on the jaunt from the Sarlac Pit to the briefing about Endor; I'd actually like to see or read an account of how he first hears about Vader.
People desperately looking for holes #2:
Ren's a weak villain because he was almost beaten by Rey (after being shot by the lazer shotgun that is the Bowcaster but apparently that's not relevant) despite the fact Vader had trouble with Luke TWICE and lost the second time even though he'd been a studying the force for about 30 years to Luke's 4 or so.
The only part of your point I disagree with was Vader having trouble with Luke twice. In Empire I always thought it seemed Vader had the fight in hand 90 percent of the time but held back to try and tempt Luke instead of destroy him.
I understood that as "Hey dad, I need your help in something", and that something was stabby stab stab related. Han took it as "Mah boy needs meh".(Incidentally that also makes him better than Kylo Ren, because Ren didn't have any qualms about killing daddy.)
"I don't know if I'm strong enough to do what I have to do, will you help me?" Was him having at least one qualm, wasn't it?
Possible contract reason would be my guess.It would have made more sense for that to be the case, I assumed there were scheduling problems when that scene was filmed.
Why wouldn't they have just put someone else in the costume?
Kylo Ren also has insight, and maybe even some hint of understanding, and it was something very simple. That look he gave FN-2187 in the village. That look said SO much more than words ever could.dude, half the movie was a Kylo temper tantrum. Every scene he was in ended with him breaking something.
First time killing? Weren't able to do it huh? Don't worry, you will, one day.
But that's not even all of it. It was a moment of clarity. Maybe like Vader with Piett, Kylo saw something in Finn, some admirable quality, and maybe even pity, what with the blood stain on his mask.
Kylo Ren even knew who it was who helped Poe escape. Do I really have to mention his reflexes again? Freezing a laser blast in place even when he's barely paying it any mind? I don't remember Anakin doing anything nearly as awesome as that.
Here's the biggest difference though... Kylo Ren is a little more reserved. His emotional outbursts only happen rarely and when they do, they last for very brief periods of time.
(Incidentally that also makes him better than Kylo Ren, because Ren didn't have any qualms about killing daddy.)
"I don't know if I'm strong enough to do what I have to do, will you help me?" Was him having at least one qualm, wasn't it?
Well, as someone who didn't like Ant Man, where most everyone else seemed to really enjoy it, I can sympathize a little bit. The problem is in this case that a lot of the people who didn't like Force Awakens seemed to be predisposed against it beforehand.I actually liked it. Don't know why people ignore that. It's possible to find fault in something you like.
There's a lot of theories circulating, so I might as well throw my ridiculous theory into the mix.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Dandruff.
I'd also like to throw this out there... early on in the film it was established he can easily stop laser shots in mid-air. He either let his guard down too much... indicating he was so profoundly regretful of what he did, or he allowed himself to be shot.I got the idea that Ren just got lucky on that. He was stopping Po from moving, and it got the blast as well. I doubt he'd be fast enough to do that, even with Force reflexes. And after killing his father, he certainly was preoccupied.
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I'd also like to throw this out there... early on in the film it was established he can easily stop laser shots in mid-air. He either let his guard down too much... indicating he was so profoundly regretful of what he did, or he allowed himself to be shot.
Yeah... Mace Windu in the movies wasn't exactly super-powered.
I think the Force in the future movies should be crazy strong. Like, there is an awakening, and now even untrained people can do stuff that previously took years of training. Once Rey is trained, she can do anything like Neo or Mace Windu in the Clone Wars cartoons
(this one: (http://statici.behindthevoiceactors.com/behindthevoiceactors/_img/chars/thumbs/char_13910_thumb.jpg), not this one: (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111198060/4977732-mace+windu.jpg)).
I think what the Clone Wars CG cartoons proved overall was that people outside of Lucas could handle the property well and make it well-rounded with good characterization, but still exciting and action-packed. It certainly goes a long way to making the main cast much more believable, and of anything involving the prequels, it's the best thing to come out of them.
But like Red Dwarf, you kind of have to grit your teeth to get through the movie and about half of the first season (or season 2, for some). The animation (especially the lighting) got much more polished, and the writers seemed to get into a groove they never really left.
As for the original Clone Wars mini-series...yeah, they're not very deep, but damn is it entertaining. I just wish they were available in hard copy on HD.
https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/676904272634728448
Finally got around to seeing this today. Good movie, if maybe overly derivative of the original.I figured that they did move it. Maybe there would be some of the power from the star left after it fired, and they would use that in order to move.
One thing I didn't understand though: Starkiller base draws it's power from a star, but they had already fired it once earlier in the movie. Why was there still a star there for it to fire a second time? Did the move the entire planet to another star? That seems highly impractical, plus it kinda defeats the purpose of having a hyperspace weapon.
If they moved it Finn wouldn't have known where it was...Huh, hadn't thought of that. Good point. So maybe they can move it (since they'd have to after finishing draining the energy from that star), but it's not "one star, one shot".
OK, never mind, I assumed since the other shows being talked about were animated there was an animated Red Dwarf but I guess there isn't. How can anyone not like the first 2 seasons of Red Dwarf?
So noone posted this yet?
https://www.youtube.com/v/FaOSCASqLsE
:clap: :clap: :clap: Well done. I love Blackadder.
Ah I missed it because it wasn't embedded.. Sorry bout that ;D
I'd have loved to see more planet diversity in the Star Wars Universe. Another Desert planet was pretty boring, I've got to say. What about a civilized Tropical planet, that could be awesome! There's tons of climates that they could choose from, why choose another desert? Oh wait, they wanted to recreate Ep 4 :P
If it was a tropical planet the JJ Isaacs on here would be saying "another planet with one climate, why don't they do something original!? Rant, whine moan"
It wasn't Tatooine because there was never a massive space battle directly above Tatooine in any of the previous movies that would have led to the crash of a Star Destroyer. Making it a planet we haven't heard of means we don't know its history and we don't need to answer the question of "when did that happen?" right away.
The unpleasable Star Wars fanboys don't know what they want, but I think I figured out what it is, even if they don't know it.
They want to go back in time.
Unfortunately, Disney is not quite THAT powerful.
Partially what Scott said, arid = poor often. Arid also = alien for most people. Humans do live in deserts but as a species we tend to not do that all of the time. The image of people who inhabit a whole planet of sand makes things appear automatically alien in a way other environments do not.
Plus it's a call back obviously.
A surface BB-8 could wander freely around was also needed.
A surface BB-8 could wander freely around was also needed.
it seemed to do okay on maz's forest planet.
It wasn't Tatooine because there was never a massive space battle directly above Tatooine in any of the previous movies that would have led to the crash of a Star Destroyer. Making it a planet we haven't heard of means we don't know its history and we don't need to answer the question of "when did that happen?" right away.
It wasn't Tatooine because there was never a massive space battle directly above Tatooine in any of the previous movies that would have led to the crash of a Star Destroyer. Making it a planet we haven't heard of means we don't know its history and we don't need to answer the question of "when did that happen?" right away.
This isn't really the answer. Because all that stuff on jakku didn't happen until after RotJ anyway, so it could just as easily have been Tattooine.
It wasn't Tatooine because there was never a massive space battle directly above Tatooine in any of the previous movies that would have led to the crash of a Star Destroyer. Making it a planet we haven't heard of means we don't know its history and we don't need to answer the question of "when did that happen?" right away.
This isn't really the answer. Because all that stuff on jakku didn't happen until after RotJ anyway, so it could just as easily have been Tattooine.
That entirely depends on if they have plans to reveal the story of what went down on the planet though.
If Lucas had done this, it would've been Rey and Finn standing in front of a window overlooking a bunch of CGI crap. One would explain the battle that had been fought there, and the other would've explained how Rey was such a good scavenger and could defend herself. At some point they would have sat on a sofa during this discussion.
It's extra, it's there for people who really want it, but that kind of exposition would just stop the movie dead.
The movie did such a great job of showing us all we needed to know: there was a huge battle here, and we recognize the ships as mostly Imperial ships, and given the state of the wreckage, it happened many years ago. Long enough for everything to be half buried in sand and for small communities to show up around it. And they established Rey's character at the same time.
If Lucas had done this, it would've been Rey and Finn standing in front of a window overlooking a bunch of CGI crap. One would explain the battle that had been fought there, and the other would've explained how Rey was such a good scavenger and could defend herself. At some point they would have sat on a sofa during this discussion.
You're not thinking about making the movie or how it would look on screen. CGI oceans still don't look quite right, toxic atmosphere and you'd have everyone behind a mask, Jungle or swamp could be done well but you lose the need to scavenge ship parts for food, it would be hunting for food instead. Rey's knowledge of empire technology is what allows her to evade capture after she escapes Ren.
You don't want your new characters hidden behind layers of protective gear the entire time you are introducing them.
A surface you could crash on and walk away from was also needed.
A surface BB-8 could wander freely around was also needed.
Crashed empire ships were needed.
Scavenging those ships to buy food as the primary way to survive was needed.
To get all that the options are pretty sparse, tundra might have worked and be something new, but stuff does grow on tundra so it would have been a bit more difficult to portray Rey's life as on the edge of starvation.
You mean like he did in the original Star Wars? Oh wait.
You're not thinking about making the movie or how it would look on screen. CGI oceans still don't look quite right, toxic atmosphere and you'd have everyone behind a mask, Jungle or swamp could be done well but you lose the need to scavenge ship parts for food, it would be hunting for food instead. Rey's knowledge of empire technology is what allows her to evade capture after she escapes Ren.
You don't want your new characters hidden behind layers of protective gear the entire time you are introducing them.
A surface you could crash on and walk away from was also needed.
A surface BB-8 could wander freely around was also needed.
Crashed empire ships were needed.
Scavenging those ships to buy food as the primary way to survive was needed.
To get all that the options are pretty sparse, tundra might have worked and be something new, but stuff does grow on tundra so it would have been a bit more difficult to portray Rey's life as on the edge of starvation.
I don't see why scavenging, which is a thing that happens in literally every society at some point, is limited to desert and tundra. A planet like Mandalore where the atmosphere is toxic would be fine, since the citizens live in dome cities. As for hiding the hero behind protective gear... did we not forget the fact that the first times we see her, she's covered head to toe in desert gear? Haven't people made a big deal about the fact that the first time we see three of the characters, they're wearing MASKS? I don't see how putting her in gear that suits the climate and having a different type of planet then the massively over done desert is a bad thing.
It wasn't Tatooine because there was never a massive space battle directly above Tatooine in any of the previous movies that would have led to the crash of a Star Destroyer. Making it a planet we haven't heard of means we don't know its history and we don't need to answer the question of "when did that happen?" right away.
This isn't really the answer. Because all that stuff on jakku didn't happen until after RotJ anyway, so it could just as easily have been Tattooine.
That entirely depends on if they have plans to reveal the story of what went down on the planet though.
As Jonalame said, they already did, really. In two different books.
Considering they're tie-ins to the movie...It wasn't Tatooine because there was never a massive space battle directly above Tatooine in any of the previous movies that would have led to the crash of a Star Destroyer. Making it a planet we haven't heard of means we don't know its history and we don't need to answer the question of "when did that happen?" right away.
This isn't really the answer. Because all that stuff on jakku didn't happen until after RotJ anyway, so it could just as easily have been Tattooine.
That entirely depends on if they have plans to reveal the story of what went down on the planet though.
As Jonalame said, they already did, really. In two different books.
Are those books still considered canon?
Considering they're tie-ins to the movie...It wasn't Tatooine because there was never a massive space battle directly above Tatooine in any of the previous movies that would have led to the crash of a Star Destroyer. Making it a planet we haven't heard of means we don't know its history and we don't need to answer the question of "when did that happen?" right away.
This isn't really the answer. Because all that stuff on jakku didn't happen until after RotJ anyway, so it could just as easily have been Tattooine.
That entirely depends on if they have plans to reveal the story of what went down on the planet though.
As Jonalame said, they already did, really. In two different books.
Are those books still considered canon?
Not directly Ep 7 related, but there are rumors circulating that the upcoming season of Rebels will be drawing from the EU for plots and some characters. So it looks like the same person or people who made reference to SotE are trying to get more of the EU back into canon.Yeah. http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2016/01/rumor-fan-favorite-legends-character-to.html (http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2016/01/rumor-fan-favorite-legends-character-to.html)
Rian Johnson I heard wrote BOTH episodes 8 and 9... so I am REALLY looking forward to what's going to happen. Not to toot the horn way too early or anything but I think it's going to be AMAZING. :o
Uhh...
http://www.gamezone.com/news/you-can-finally-sleep-with-star-wars-the-force-awakens-poe-dameron-3431677 (http://www.gamezone.com/news/you-can-finally-sleep-with-star-wars-the-force-awakens-poe-dameron-3431677)
Uhh...
http://www.gamezone.com/news/you-can-finally-sleep-with-star-wars-the-force-awakens-poe-dameron-3431677 (http://www.gamezone.com/news/you-can-finally-sleep-with-star-wars-the-force-awakens-poe-dameron-3431677)
finally.
Uhh...
http://www.gamezone.com/news/you-can-finally-sleep-with-star-wars-the-force-awakens-poe-dameron-3431677 (http://www.gamezone.com/news/you-can-finally-sleep-with-star-wars-the-force-awakens-poe-dameron-3431677)
finally.
He is pretty dreamy
Uhh...
http://www.gamezone.com/news/you-can-finally-sleep-with-star-wars-the-force-awakens-poe-dameron-3431677 (http://www.gamezone.com/news/you-can-finally-sleep-with-star-wars-the-force-awakens-poe-dameron-3431677)
finally.
He is pretty dreamy
I'm fairly certain the two of you are joking, but he is handsome as hell... I wouldn't do it, but I can understand how some people would be into it.
Dreamy though he may be, I find those body pillow cases weird.
At least it's something other than an anime schoolgirl for once, though. ^_^
Dreamy though he may be, I find those body pillow cases weird.
At least it's something other than an anime schoolgirl for once, though. ^_^
Exactly, he's a grown consenting man and I would assume had to give permission for his likeness
(http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/375/rey-x-wing-helmet.jpg)
As for the helmet, if you found one, you'd all do the same thing and you know it! ^_^ No upper age limit on that one, don't give me that! ^_^
Yeah, that's what I loved so much about Maz Kanata.My only issue with her was I wish she had been a puppet, or a person in makeup.
Well, I loved her for a lot of reasons. She was the first CGI character in Star Wars that was actually LIKABLE and not an offensive ethnic stereotype. But she brought the magic back to the Force, you hear the way she describes it to Rey and you just forget that midichlorians were ever a thing. It was like: I BELIEVE AGAIN!!!!
I do hope we haven't seen the last of her. ^_^
Star Wars 7: Force Awakens Script Reveals Luke Skywalker's Response To ReyI read that article. It doesn't actually say he has dialog, it just describes his feelings.
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3756775
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/star-wars-actor-jake-lloyd-moved-psychiatric-facility-article-1.2595377
I think it's also to show him as more of a regular blue collar "common man" for people to identify and sympathize with.
The real reason he's a janitor is so that the call back to the trash compactor scene that comes up a few minutes later connects a little better, with Fin having a reason to know where a garbage shoot is.
I think it's also to show him as more of a regular blue collar "common man" for people to identify and sympathize with.
The real reason he's a janitor is so that the call back to the trash compactor scene that comes up a few minutes later connects a little better, with Fin having a reason to know where a garbage shoot is.
I think it's also to show him as more of a regular blue collar "common man" for people to identify and sympathize with.
The real reason he's a janitor is so that the call back to the trash compactor scene that comes up a few minutes later connects a little better, with Fin having a reason to know where a garbage shoot is.
It also show's why he's not a good soldier