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Title: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 10, 2007, 06:37:27 PM
Can I say at this point that Rifftrax made it possible that for the first time I actually watched a movie from beginning to end without stopping in between and doing or watching something else.
I never knew before what a horrible mumbler Donald Pleasance was.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 06:46:20 PM
Daredevil's gotta be my favorite and Matrix was my first, yeah... Halloween, too.  Good stuff.  So much good work... GOD I loves me some Mike and Kevin and Bill, that's all I gotta say.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 10, 2007, 07:23:35 PM
You know, Electra´s dad had a better role when he was the Grand Inquisitor of Zork.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 07:26:28 PM
You know, Electra´s dad had a better role when he was the Grand Inquisitor of Zork.

Really?
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 10, 2007, 07:52:35 PM
Yeah, I mean just look at  him
In Zork at least he got to wear a snazy Uniform
and he was the boss..
"Mir Yannick:  Who is the boss? Me! I am the boss of you! "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Miryannick.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Miryannick.jpg)

Sorry that there is´nt a better picture, believe me I searched for months on end...and I´m very ashamed of that fact.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: Electric_Nachos on April 13, 2007, 04:03:44 PM

My new housemate has a parrot and I go out and feed her and get her to say "hi" and reward her etc.  But she climbs all around cage bars and  slides her beak up and down them in frustration and I know she wants to get out  but I'm not comfortable with taking her out of the cage yet.

However, watching her,  I thought I should teach her "Attica! Attica!"


I know it's a joke they use in MST3K and probably in other Rifftrax but I thought of the kids in the playground  in Daredevil and the idea of getting the bird to learn that keeps making me chuckle.

 ;D
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: Just Some Guy on April 14, 2007, 12:47:04 AM
First, a parrot that shouts "Attica!  Attica!" would be awesome.  Especially if it overturned things in its cage while shouting it.

I had a friend whose parents had an African gray parrot and it was astounding what that bird would pick up.  Most memorably for me is that it would imitate their dogs so that when someone entered their house it would growl at that person.  So one time I made the mistake of growling back.  The parrot started barking and running around the cage like crazy.  It was the last thing I was expecting...
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 14, 2007, 12:49:24 AM
parrots= the smartest retarded animal ever.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: Electric_Nachos on April 14, 2007, 01:07:58 AM
Yeah I totally want to get her to flap her wings at the same time. My housemate said that she knew a bird who would totally catch on to that really fast...but her bird is still being trained...And I have to learn how to teach her. She got the "a" part but that's probably because she learned "Afflack" like that duck in the insurance commercial. When she first said "Afflack" I thought she had said "Affleck" which made me start laughing, and I kept on saying that she doesn't want to say that too much, because we only need a fleck of it.
Ah Devildog, how entertaining you've become.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 14, 2007, 01:11:13 AM
parrots= the smartest retarded animal ever.

I have three birds, and I can tell you that they're just smart enough to think of new and imaginative ways to be stupid.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 14, 2007, 01:15:37 AM
personally i hate birds,  their loud smelly and annoying.   but thats just my opinion.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 14, 2007, 01:17:21 AM
Don't forget that they shit everywhere and leave their dander and discarded feathers all over the place. My mother inherited them from me so they're really hers now. They're so terrified of me now that they get all quiet and timid when I walk in the room.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: AmandaGal on April 14, 2007, 04:33:48 AM
When I was a zookeeper, parrots were part of my job.  I love the big, messy morons.  They act like two year old kids.  They really do.  They're not as bad as all that...ok, two year olds are pretty bad but they can be sweet and intelligent too but generally they use it for evil.

One of them would rake his beak across the bars of his cage when I'd put him up for the day and scream "HELP ME!" 
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 14, 2007, 04:36:07 AM
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One of them would rake his beak across the bars of his cage when I'd put him up for the day and scream "HELP ME

lol thats funniness
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 14, 2007, 07:24:59 AM
Where did those parrots come from?
Not in general, just in this thread...or did someone mix it up with the MST3K refference thread?
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: RandyMistie on April 14, 2007, 02:44:19 PM
Parrots, (particularly African Greys), are being reclassified as having primate intelligence.  At least the intelligence of two or three year old humans.  They are very intelligent birds.  Ravens, as well.  Many birds are much smarter than they need to be to aquire food.  Many scientists believe it comes from their accute eyesight needed for flight.

I raised several birds as a kid what I found had fallen out of a nest and survived.  I nursed them to health and let them free into the wild.  They were very smart and easy to train.  Some didn't want to leave.

Eh, I found them to be a huge pain in the ass, but imagine the good kharma I got by keeping them alive!
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: AmandaGal on April 14, 2007, 03:11:26 PM
Yeah, parrots are very smart and have very complex social structures. The studies by Irene Pepperburg and her African Grey Alex were at one time groundbreaking because if you dissect a parrot brain, it looks very simple and it looks purely limbic but it's actually not.  They actually have a very complex structure similiar to our cortex but it's just arranged a bit differently.  For years, scientists dismissed any signs of avian intelligence as us anthropomorphizing because they looked at their brain as simple.  I think it was partly Alex and partly the fact that we understand human brains better now that made science dig further into them.

Birds actually have a complex language, accents (they can recognize where other birds are from), social hierarchies, etc.  They learn to live in our human world and can even compose sentences, words, etc. to prove that "understand" human language (like a child does).  I'm not saying a parrot will ever have an intelligent conversation with anyone (although considering some of the humans I talk to, I'd rather talk to a parrot) but they can learn the same basics that human babies learn.  They can learn to categorize (which is one of the first steps of human intelligence) like items, different items (they can tell you what the difference is "size" "shape" "color"), can compare items in a category ( "bigger" "smaller") and have a sense of self.  All of those are things used in human babies as signs of  intellect development.  The first thing kids learn is to categorize like items and then they learn differences and self-awareness is usually one of the later sign of intellect.

Of course, like a kid, a parrot has to be taught.  Not all parrots are geniuses either.  There are "slow" ones just like in humans.  I swear mine is a moron but one at the zoo, I bet if we tried to train him he'd be a real genius.  You can just tell he knows stuff and he takes it in.  He, like a baby, imitates human actions and sounds, trying to put it together. It's hard to be a bird operating in a human world though.  My dumb bird just hangs upside down, screams hello and makes goofy eyes like "duh" all the time, poor little moron.

Oh yeah, ravens are smart too and other corvids.  They've been known to make tools and to "learn" how to make humans do their work for them.  Suprisingly enough, vultures (new world) are actually pretty intelligent too.  Probably below parrots and corvids but they rank pretty highly compared to some other birds.

I could go on but, I don't know what this has to do with rifftrax :)
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: RandyMistie on April 14, 2007, 03:22:56 PM
Yeah, Amanda, my personal belief is that intelligence, personality, "the mind", whatever, has nothing to do with anatomy.  There are many animal species that appear to have little or no brain at all but show remarkable intelligence.

The idea that the bigger the brain- the smarter the animal, must have been thought up by a man.  Size doesn't matter! 

(I hope...)
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 14, 2007, 06:24:39 PM
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Yeah, Amanda, my personal belief is that intelligence, personality, "the mind", whatever, has nothing to do with anatomy.

for clarifacation randy are you disagreeing with amandas post about the validity of pepperburg's study?
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: RandyMistie on April 14, 2007, 06:37:57 PM
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Yeah, Amanda, my personal belief is that intelligence, personality, "the mind", whatever, has nothing to do with anatomy.

for clarifacation randy are you disagreeing with amandas post about the validity of pepperburg's study?

No, I was talking about penis size.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: AmandaGal on April 14, 2007, 06:38:58 PM
I should probably clarify that Pepperburg's studies were often written off as being anthropomorphizing on her part because scientists said parrot brains were designed too simply to be complex.  So, Pepperburg agrees with Randy. 

She was one of the first to study the intelligence of parrots (specifically Grey's).  She kind of flew in the face of science by saying these creatures are actually smarter than we thought possible (by the design of their brain).  Her studies, the Alex studies, are focused on one parrot who, I personally think she lucked into. Like I said, parrots run the gamut of intelligence.  Luckily she found a MENSA level parrot instead of a moronic one.  I imagine if Tobi (my bird) were the first to be in such a study, they'd probably still think parrots were idiots.   :)

She's gotten other parrots in her program and some are smart but she still hasn't found a bird as intelligent as Alex (who is still alive last I heard, these guys live 70-100 years).  Alex could do things that scientists, at first, said were impossible for a bird to do and even when she proved he could do them, they would write it off as a parlor trick or "training" instead of intelligence.  She and others have since proved it is possible and that kind of "intelligence" develops in the wild too.

Alex actually creates words to express his thoughts and has an amazing vocabulary.  He is a very jealous, emotionally immature creature from her accounts though.  He wants her to love only him and never leave him alone, etc.  Very much like a child...and every other parrot I know.  One of our parrots is at the zoo because the woman who raised him met a fellow and whenever he would come over the bird would throw a fit and whenever he got near the cage, the bird would go insane.  He would attack the guy every chance he got.  The guy said, "I really want to marry you but not with that thing in the house."  He's a good bird though.  Very smart and sweet...just not to that guy I guess.  It's hard for a bird that sees humans as "flock mates" though.  In the wild, your flock mates don't go around cavorting with some strange other bird.  It's fair to get pissed off about that!

Birds don't have penis' [ignores obvious].  However, in the respect size ... well, I don't want to let the secret out.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: AmandaGal on April 14, 2007, 06:50:20 PM
I'm very long winded...I'll stop talking about parrots now.  I'll let Tobi reply next time since they're so smert and all.  He'd just type "redrum" or something  screwy like that though.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 14, 2007, 07:02:48 PM
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In the wild, your flock mates don't go around cavorting with some strange other bird

luck be a parrot tonight


sorry your quote made me think of sinatra for some inexplicable reason


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I'm very long winded...I'll stop talking about parrots now.  I'll let Tobi reply next time since they're so smert and all.  He'd just type "redrum" or something  screwy like that though.

i like it actually.  its interesting, weve had such strange conversations how is this any different
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: AmandaGal on April 14, 2007, 07:09:55 PM
People in real life know me as the nutty parrot lady.  I would hate for the board to think of me as that too.  It's odd really, this lady I hadn't heard from since high school called me up a year or so ago and was all, "I saw you in the paper with a parrot.  I have a Grey myself! " Eventually, she asked, "I was wondering if I could put you in my will to take mine when I die!"  I'm like "uh....wha? I haven't talked to you in 10 years."

I also get called often by random people who I don't even know with parrot questions because "a friend of a friend of a friend gave me this number."  I just used to work at a zoo, I'm not a parrot expert.  If it were me, I'd probably think about calling someone like a vet maybe? Naw.  It makes more sense to call a random person you've never met in your entire life.  :)
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 14, 2007, 07:32:08 PM
wow that sucks lol 
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: Hobbit on April 14, 2007, 09:39:10 PM
Yeah, Amanda, my personal belief is that intelligence, personality, "the mind", whatever, has nothing to do with anatomy.  There are many animal species that appear to have little or no brain at all but show remarkable intelligence.

The idea that the bigger the brain- the smarter the animal, must have been thought up by a man.  Size doesn't matter! 

(I hope...)

It appears to matter somewhat, as do the brain's wrinkles.    If the size of the brain didn't matter, human beings would likely have brains small enough to squeeze through the birth canal rather than having a skull that didn't harden until after birth.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 14, 2007, 11:41:15 PM
o..okay now, guys, if you wanted to creep me out, you managed to do that...
you can stop talking about parrots now, ok, guys? o_o;;
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 14, 2007, 11:42:34 PM
hey amanda are a cockatoos a type of parrot?
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: Indomitus on April 21, 2007, 07:04:56 AM
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just smart enough to think of new and imaginative ways to be stupid.
I think I just found me a signature.   :clap:
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: AmandaGal on April 21, 2007, 10:01:54 AM
Cockatoos are parrots.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 21, 2007, 06:44:32 PM
sweet the parrot talk continues

so are they less intelligent because a friend of mine had one of those, and despite being cool looking was the most obnoxious creature god has ever created. 
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 21, 2007, 06:54:27 PM
sweet the parrot talk continues

so are they less intelligent because a friend of mine had one of those, and despite being cool looking was the most obnoxious creature god has ever created. 

Maybe it was smart enough to know it was pretty enough to get away with being a shit.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 21, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
im pretty darn sure it did.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 21, 2007, 06:58:35 PM
Most bird cages are metal, right? So why not hook up an electric fence transformer to the bars and shock the little bastard every time he gets any ideas?
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: AmandaGal on April 21, 2007, 07:17:07 PM
Cockatoos are very needy.  They are smart but they are probably the most needy of the parrots (imagine a woman who asks you every five seconds if she looks fat and then burst into tears and when you ask why she says, "If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you!").  That's a cocktoo.

24/7 PMS and they require constant boosting of their egos with cuddling and proof that you love them.  I'd never own a cockatoo!

People akin them to be the most snuggly birds and like babies, personally I really do think they're more like a girl with PMS.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 21, 2007, 07:21:29 PM
yuck

who would want to cuddle with a cockatoo
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 21, 2007, 07:23:39 PM
Crazy cat bird ladies?
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: AmandaGal on April 21, 2007, 07:31:56 PM
I do cuddle the parrots...man, I'm psycho.  The cocktoo loves you to hold her and pet her and tell her you love her and that she's pretty.  Such a girl :)
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 21, 2007, 07:36:16 PM
Birds aren't without their charm, mostly centering around their beady round eyes and confused little blank stares, but we never seem to get along. I might lack the tenderness and patience to make a creature 1/900th my weight feel comfortable.
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 21, 2007, 07:39:08 PM
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do cuddle the parrots...man, I'm psycho.  The cocktoo loves you to hold her and pet her and tell her you love her and that she's pretty.  Such a girl

really most girls just slap me when i try any of that
Title: Re: Daredevil, Matrix and other stuff.
Post by: Compound on April 23, 2007, 07:12:26 AM
o..okay now, guys, if you wanted to creep me out, you managed to do that...
you can stop talking about parrots now, ok, guys? o_o;;

Personally, I think that a parrot would have made The Matrix even cooler. I can see one flipping around that bank lobby, shooting at guards and going "<bwawk> Whoa. <bwawk.>"