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Title: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Minnesota on April 09, 2007, 06:05:07 AM
And I still dont have one yet ;D


100 Million iPods Sold
CUPERTINO, California—April 9, 2007—Apple® today announced that the 100 millionth iPod® has been sold, making the iPod the fastest selling music player in history. The first iPod was sold five and a half years ago, in November 2001, and since then Apple has introduced more than 10 new iPod models, including five generations of iPod, two generations of iPod mini, two generations of iPod nano and two generations of iPod shuffle. Along with iTunes® and the iTunes online music store, the iPod has transformed how tens of millions of music lovers acquire, manage and listen to their music.

“At this historic milestone, we want to thank music lovers everywhere for making iPod such an incredible success,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “iPod has helped millions of people around the world rekindle their passion for music, and we’re thrilled to be a part of that.”

“It’s hard to remember what I did before the iPod,” said Mary J. Blige, GRAMMY Award-winning singer. “iPod is more than just a music player, it’s an extension of your personality and a great way to take your favorite music with you everywhere you go.”

“Without the iPod, the digital music age would have been defined by files and folders instead of songs and albums,” said John Mayer, GRAMMY Award-winning singer-songwriter and guitarist. “Though the medium of music has changed, the iPod experience has kept the spirit of what it means to be a music lover alive."

The iPod has also sparked an unprecedented ecosystem of over 4,000 accessories made specifically for the iPod that range from fashionable cases to speaker systems, and more than 70 percent of 2007-model US automobiles currently offer iPod connectivity.

“I take my running shoes and my iPod with me everywhere,” said Lance Armstrong, seven-time Tour de France champion. “I listen to music when I run. Having my music with me is really motivating.”

Every iPod features seamless integration with iTunes 7. The iTunes Store (www.itunes.com) features the world’s largest catalog with over five million songs, 350 television shows and over 400 movies. The iTunes Store has sold over 2.5 billion songs, 50 million TV shows and over 1.3 million movies, making it the world’s most popular online music, TV and movie store.

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. Today, Apple continues to lead the industry in innovation with its award-winning computers, OS X operating system and iLife and professional applications. Apple is also spearheading the digital media revolution with its iPod portable music and video players and iTunes online store, and will enter the mobile phone market this year with its revolutionary iPhone.

Source: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/09ipod.html (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/09ipod.html)
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: pyro on April 09, 2007, 02:31:50 PM
I'd probably have never bought one if it weren't for me being a life-long mac user
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Shinigami on April 09, 2007, 04:31:18 PM
I hate how people act like iPods are the only mp3 player out there.  I got a 20GB Zen for $100 and it works just as good as any iPod.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 09, 2007, 04:36:34 PM
100 million sold and I'm still not buying one.  ;D
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: AmandaGal on April 09, 2007, 04:46:12 PM
I got mine for free at freeipods.com, yay!  (not sure how reputable that site is nowadays though, but back 2 years ago or so my friends and I had a "ipod tree" where we all referred friends to refer friends to refer friends and we all got one).
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 09, 2007, 05:06:13 PM
I got mine for free at freeipods.com, yay!  (not sure how reputable that site is nowadays though, but back 2 years ago or so my friends and I had a "ipod tree" where we all referred friends to refer friends to refer friends and we all got one).

There's nothin' like a good pyramid scheme!   ;)
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: AmandaGal on April 09, 2007, 05:32:15 PM
Exactly! Who cares about the suckahs on the bottom! [cranks up her ill gotten iPod]
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: RandyMistie on April 09, 2007, 06:38:55 PM
All my friends have them, but I still don't.  I think iTunes is amazing, (one friend has an iPod but no computer so I installed iTunes on one of my systems so's I could help him out like that), but I just haven't really felt the need for one.  I DL'd some tunes but found out that the encryption wouldn't allow me to burn them onto a CD/DVD without all kindsa hassle so I just chucked the whole damn thing.

You kids with your iPods and your Borats and your YouTubeses--- AHHH!
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Teaflax on April 10, 2007, 02:14:37 AM
I'd buy an iPod if it weren't for the DRM and the reliance on iTunes, which is a really weak player program.

For now, I just use my PSP. It's not tiny, but then again, I rarely go without several big pockets and I have th advantage of being able to watch stuff and play games if I want to.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: mrbasehart on April 10, 2007, 03:13:27 AM
I have an iriver.  They're nothing to do with Apple, though.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: gbeenie on April 10, 2007, 08:29:11 AM
All my friends have them, but I still don't.  I think iTunes is amazing, (one friend has an iPod but no computer so I installed iTunes on one of my systems so's I could help him out like that), but I just haven't really felt the need for one.  I DL'd some tunes but found out that the encryption wouldn't allow me to burn them onto a CD/DVD without all kindsa hassle so I just chucked the whole damn thing.

See, I had a different experience. I once installed iTunes to load some family members' iPods, and I HATED it; I uninstalled it as soon as I was done. However, a few months ago, I signed up for Vonage at Micro Center, and received a $200 in-store credit for my trouble. Alas, their selection of non-iPod .mp3 players was pathetic, so I ended up getting a 30g iPod. NOW I get iTunes; if you have an iPod, it is truly a thing of beauty, and works magnificently. I still wouldn't recommend iTunes for anyone that doesn't have an iPod (they're better off with Creative MediaSource if they have any Creative device in or around their computer).

BTW, Randy, I don't know why you were having a problem with burning; every song I buy from iTunes immediately gets burned to a music CD, which I then rip as completely non-protected .mp3s.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: gbeenie on April 10, 2007, 08:34:52 AM
i gotta say, except for the bit of self-aggrandizement at the end (if Apple had to rely solely on the installed base of Mac users to sell iPods to, the product would have been a crashing failure), the press release makes some good points. My previous card-based player was pretty much a folder-dumpster, with no real organizational features whatsoever; what the iPod and iTunes have done is given users the ability to shape the organization of the player around their own preferences. I think that's pretty nifty (and I used to diss on the iPod, too!).
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: gbeenie on April 10, 2007, 08:36:37 AM
I'd buy an iPod if it weren't for the DRM and the reliance on iTunes, which is a really weak player program.

The DRM is pretty easily gotten around, and while iTunes DOES suck if you don't have an iPod, together they're just terrific.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: BathTub on April 10, 2007, 09:57:10 AM
And while it's only a start, EMI is allowing music sales without DRM.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 10:30:51 AM
My ripping software is pretty crappy, that's probly my problem with the burning to CD.  It's no big.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: gbeenie on April 10, 2007, 12:21:51 PM
My ripping software is pretty crappy, that's probly my problem with the burning to CD.  It's no big.

This is how pathetic the DRM is: you can burn and rip the whole thing in iTunes. Just burn the Protected AAC tracks to music CD, and then use iTunes to rip the tracks off the newly-created music CD. It's that friggin' easy!
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: gbeenie on April 10, 2007, 12:24:59 PM
And while it's only a start, EMI is allowing music sales without DRM.

But it's a good start, and with Steve JobsTM having come out so strongly against DRM (remember: it's only on iTunes because the record labels demanded it), I think it's the first of what will be many dominoes.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Steve-O on April 10, 2007, 12:41:16 PM
DRM (remember: it's only on iTunes because the record labels demanded it)

Something tells me that Jobs didn't fight the "label-imposed" DRM very hard.  It did, after all, lock iTunes store purchases to Apple devices.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
DRM (remember: it's only on iTunes because the record labels demanded it)

Something tells me that Jobs didn't fight the "label-imposed" DRM very hard.  It did, after all, lock iTunes store purchases to Apple devices.

S'truth for sooth...
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: gbeenie on April 10, 2007, 02:20:02 PM
DRM (remember: it's only on iTunes because the record labels demanded it)

Something tells me that Jobs didn't fight the "label-imposed" DRM very hard.  It did, after all, lock iTunes store purchases to Apple devices.

Maybe, but it also creates brand resistance, and foments consumer resentment.

Have a read:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ (http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/)
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Steve-O on April 10, 2007, 03:42:39 PM
DRM (remember: it's only on iTunes because the record labels demanded it)

Something tells me that Jobs didn't fight the "label-imposed" DRM very hard.  It did, after all, lock iTunes store purchases to Apple devices.

Maybe, but it also creates brand resistance, and foments consumer resentment.

...for geeks.  For most iPod buyers over the last few years, I doubt it has made much difference in either choice of player or subsequent brand loyalty.

That said, I do believe that more average consumers are becoming wise to the ways of DRM, and are starting to become vocal in their opposition to it.  That, and not some deeply-felt support of fair use rights, is likely behind the Jobs commentary you linked to.  At this point, the iPod and the iTunes store have such huge leads in market share that the benefits of lock-in are no longer so critical to the business model.

In fact -- and this is pure speculation, since I haven't gone over any sales figures -- if the music player market is getting close to the saturation point, it's possible that selling music for competing players is now more profitable long-term than selling players.

It's a sound strategy, and I don't begrudge Apple and Jobs their right to do what's in the best interests of their shareholders.  But I wouldn't tag Jobs as any sort of proponent for consumer rights, since he and his company staunchly supported and furthered the implementation of DRM for as long as it suited them.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 06:23:20 PM
So, Apple has over a million iPods. And how many Zunes has Microsoft sold? Zero? :D
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Teaflax on April 10, 2007, 06:31:10 PM
Yeah, I know the DRM can be circumvented (even if it is a huge hassle when you're dealing in any kind of bulk), but  I also mean the fact that you can't dump songs off of your iPod straight onto someone else's computer.

And I don't think I get how iTunes could be better with an iPod. It's frighteningly bad at organizational structure and library browsing (at least if you have more than a 100 or so albums - I have well over 3500), has limited lookup features for tagging or sleeve image finding, requires art to be embedded in each MP3 to display rather than reading from a library or single jpg in the album folder, often doesn't read completely valid ID3 tags on import, enforces a naming convention of files and structure rather than letting you choose, has no facility for multiple libraries, eats processor cycles like mad and so on... I don't see how getting an iPod solves any of that.

Album Player and/or Media Jukebox have it beat in every aspect you care to think of except maybe Party Mode, which is nice-ish.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 11:51:06 PM
ill never ever buy another ipod ever again.  Im still to pissed at them.  I had a player of theirs, and the first few months was all ok.  it was beautiful.  but then slowly over time the battery life began to get shorter and shorter, until eventually it was essentially broken and got no power at all.  (conviently for apple literally right after the warranty died).  The customer service i received in trying to find out if it was fixable was so terrible i was basically disgusted with the whole company.  Ps apple never did fix my ipod.

So now i have a 1 gig samsung with a rechargable battery that works with windows media player.  life is good. 
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Minnesota on April 11, 2007, 02:10:46 AM
I imagine the iphone will have a rechargeable battery ... Only 1 gig Sarcasm? why not just use a $10 portable CD player?
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 11, 2007, 02:48:32 AM
seriously who can listen to a gig straight through?  i only use it for working out.  and occasionally long flights.  if im at home i use my stereo or laptop. 
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Minnesota on April 11, 2007, 02:54:32 AM
^^^ skirts the question ;)  Seriously though I agree, I dont really have a use for an iPod either. I guess I'm a bit old school like that. If I'm in my car, I'll just play a CD. If on the rare occasion that I need  'straight through' entertainment a CD player or laptop will surfice. Obviously at home I can use my computer to listen to music (I use itunes, don't really understand the hate... most albums I download (for free) have tags, but regardless album covers aren't that important anyway ... makes me feel guilty for stealing it  :D)
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 11, 2007, 03:01:02 AM
to answer the question properly,  because cd players are big usually dont have recharable batteries, and since i usually run with it on cds arent that great (they skip too easily)
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Pak-Man on April 11, 2007, 08:44:25 AM
Up until my birthday, I got to deal with a whopping 110 Meg MP3 Player I won at work. It's VERY nice to have 2 gigs on me now. I don't have to listen to everything I have stored on it 3 times a day. I'm going on my second 8 hour work day in a row and haven't had to repeat any music yet. :^)
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: gbeenie on April 11, 2007, 09:11:16 AM
So, Apple has over a million iPods. And how many Zunes has Microsoft sold? Zero? :D

I know somebody who has one. I've never seen anyone look so forlorn. BTW, Penny Arcade did a couple strips on that subject.

Unfortunately, when Apple lowered the price on iPods last year, many of the other manufacturers (yeah, I'm lookin' at YOU, Creative) raised their prices to match, thus taking away their own price advantage (my number-one complaint about the iPod used to be how much more expensive it was than other comparable players).
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on April 11, 2007, 10:53:32 AM
^^^ skirts the question ;)  Seriously though I agree, I dont really have a use for an iPod either. I guess I'm a bit old school like that. If I'm in my car, I'll just play a CD. If on the rare occasion that I need  'straight through' entertainment a CD player or laptop will surfice. Obviously at home I can use my computer to listen to music (I use itunes, don't really understand the hate... most albums I download (for free) have tags, but regardless album covers aren't that important anyway ... makes me feel guilty for stealing it  :D)

I gotta say my iPod is one of the best purchases I ever made.  I have a lot of music, and I listen to it at home, work, and in the car every day.  this used to require a huge CD book thing (two actually) to carry my music around, and after a few years, it started destroying my CDs, scratching them beyond hope.  And the books were heavy, bulky, and generally a pain to find what I was looking for.  With my iPod, all those problems are gone.

And you wont hear me complain about iTunes software.  I'll be the first to admit I haven't tried any other programs, but I have almost 20 gigs of music, and I have none of the problems Teaflax and others have complained about.  I find it very easy to organize, sort, rip, burn, etc.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: pyro on April 12, 2007, 05:06:11 AM
I just lost some more respect for Apple and iTunes


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Beginning next month, EMI Music will offer iTunes customers its huge catalog of music with higher audio quality and no usage restrictions. For just 30 cents more per track, you’ll be able to purchase and download music free of digital rights management (or DRM) that’s encoded at 256 Kbps (twice the current bit rate), making it all but indistinguishable from the original.

If you like the audio quality and freedom offered by the new tracks, you can upgrade the entire collection of EMI music already in your iTunes library for just 30 cents a track.

they still won't give us Apple Lossless yet claiming again that the current bitrate in use is indistinguishable from the original, which makes me wonder why they even bother having 356kbps as a conversion option if that were indeed the case
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Steve-O on April 12, 2007, 09:05:23 AM
they still won't give us Apple Lossless yet claiming again that the current bitrate in use is indistinguishable from the original, which makes me wonder why they even bother having 356kbps as a conversion option if that were indeed the case

Because they can.  And because there are some people who have actually deluded themselves into believing they can hear a difference.

I can understand wanting a lossless copy.  There's just something more satisfying about having all the available data, even if you can't necessarily hear all of it.  But if you're going to have lossy compression anyway, going any higher than 192 kbps for mp3 (lower for some of the newer compression techniques) is just overkill.

Even that might be a little on the high side.  Maximum PC conducted an interesting experiment a while back, where they took four different types of listener, from casual music fan to audiophile, and asked them to distinguish between original songs and compressed tracks at various bitrates.  At rates at or above 160 kbps VBR, all four failed consistently, even with songs that they had personally selected.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Teaflax on April 12, 2007, 11:46:57 AM
I have almost 20 gigs of music, and I have none of the problems Teaflax and others have complained about.  I find it very easy to organize, sort, rip, burn, etc.

20 Gb is about...what? About 4 000 songs? That's about when it starts getting unmanageble unless you have some really good sorting and searching options.

I have 212 Gb as of last count, which is about 35 000 songs over 3 000 albums/singles. When you're looking for something specific, that's a lot to go through - but if you're vaguely looking for something you're in the mood for (like "kind of soft, yet dark and angry"), AlbumPlayer (http://www.albumplayer.com/) really comesinto its own, since it downloads all the info from AMG, not just genre, but also styles and tones. Plus it displays the album covers for you to pick from, not a wordy list, and despite being a language person, I really am very visually oriented and find it much easier to browse by sleeve art.

Just to give you an idea, here are downsized versions of the browsing screen while displaying my Prog section, then with one particular "CD" open. I have chosen only to display ratings, as I recognize most of my records by sight (and if I don't, I can double-click the image to open the info screen), but you can chose any info you want; title, artist, year, etc. I just find that the more sleeves I can see, the easier things become.

(http://www.supertrevligt.com/hidden/ap01.jpg)
(http://www.supertrevligt.com/hidden/ap02.jpg)

Trust me, once you've tried the demo, there's no going back.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on April 12, 2007, 12:00:29 PM

I have 212 Gb as of last count, which is about 35 000 songs over 3 000 albums/singles.

Holy.  Shit.

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AlbumPlayer (http://www.albumplayer.com/)
Trust me, once you've tried the demo, there's no going back.

Looks and sounds interesting.  Is there a mac OSX version?
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Teaflax on April 12, 2007, 12:11:27 PM
Looks and sounds interesting.  Is there a mac OSX version?

I regret to say that there is not. It's the work of one single guy, and he doesn't seem to be planning on a Mac version any time soon.
Title: Re: 100 Million iPods Sold
Post by: Wheaty Petestraw on April 14, 2007, 05:55:52 PM
I held out for so long, but I finally had to get one when they introduced the 5.5 80 gig version. It's a hell of a lot better than switching out CDs every 30-80 minutes (ESPECIALLY when driving), and I can always listen to my headphones at work if someone is listening to something that annoys the hell out of me (Gwen Stefani and Fergie are the main offenders).

I only wish the battery lasted longer.