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Title: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 03, 2007, 05:10:31 AM
I nominate Drowning Pool - Bodies.

Let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor, yadda yadda yadda.



Wimpy.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 05:13:35 AM
Drowning Pool always stank of whiny pop music. Metaldom refuses to sanction Drowning Pool and any actions made by them.

I nominate something from Slipknot for pure, obtuse pretentiousness. They remind me of a cranky Spinal Tap. I used to like them, but then I got sick of their constant preaching and melodramatics.

Or maybe anything from Shadows Fall. I've had concerts ruined at the exact moment they get up on stage and their singer starts belting out tunes in a voice that sounds like the evil corporate guy from Time Chaser.

"Twotul contwol..."
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 03, 2007, 05:32:44 AM
Every song released by Dragonforce.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 03, 2007, 05:33:11 AM
Yeah, I'm disappointed by Slipknot. They have the potential to be a very hard-hitting metal band, but they muck it up with their stupid scratching/sampling and over use of theatrics. Though I did really enjoy their live performance of the song "Heretic Anthem" on Late Nite with Conan. They just sounded awesome, apart from those rediculously stupid and corny lyrics. "If you're 555 then I'm 666"?? Yeah, whatever pal.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 03, 2007, 05:34:01 AM
Every song released by Dragonforce.

Nah, they don't take themselves all that seriously. I just don't like how repetitive their music is.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 05:40:16 AM
They just sounded awesome, apart from those rediculously stupid and corny lyrics. "If you're 555 then I'm 666"?? Yeah, whatever pal.

Yeah, that's gets me too. It's so trite.

What other metal band do I dislike... Any band who's singer sounds like he's in an empty room yelling at the wall, i.e. most death metal. I can't take any band seriously who's singer sounds like Cookie Monster on crystal meth. I actually crack up when I hear Dimmu Borgir or Amon Amarth, much to the confusion of my friends who like them.

I'm more of a Black Label Society, Motorhead, Pantera, Anthrax kind of guy.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 03, 2007, 05:42:22 AM
I can't take any band seriously who's singer sounds like Cookie Monster on crystal meth.

Amen, the cookie monster just cracks me up every time. Which is too bad, because bands like Opeth make some incredibly good music and have a singer that can sing for real, so why they have to resort to that silly growling is beyond me.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 05:44:03 AM
Amen, the cookie monster just cracks me up every time. Which is too bad, because bands like Opeth make some incredibly good music and have a singer that can sing for real, so why they have to resort to that silly growling is beyond me.

I know! It breaks my heart to hear earth-rending guitar ruined by some retard singing like a drunk frat boy belching the alphabet. I have a death metal fan friend who takes it very seriously when I bitch mightily about how her favorite singers routinely ruin music I would otherwise like.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Nunyerbiz on April 03, 2007, 05:47:09 AM
Cirith Ungol - Atom Smasher

I'm 100% convinced that the Homestar Runner people used this song as the basis for the sound of the band "Limozeen". Workmanlike backing band with a completely ridiculous lead singer who was seemingly a send-up of corny 80's metal lead singers during the 1980's... if that's even possible.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Pak-Man on April 03, 2007, 05:52:19 AM
I don't listen to nearly enough to make the call, but I'd wager that some manner of flacid, mispelled baked good is involved. :^)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 05:54:59 AM
Metaldom refuses to advocate or defend said flacid baked good, and will not intervene in any attempt to perfom judicual action against said baked good. Metaldom condemns said flacid baked good and takes no responsibility for his actions.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 03, 2007, 06:11:05 AM
Amen, the cookie monster just cracks me up every time. Which is too bad, because bands like Opeth make some incredibly good music and have a singer that can sing for real, so why they have to resort to that silly growling is beyond me.

I know! It breaks my heart to hear earth-rending guitar ruined by some retard singing like a drunk frat boy belching the alphabet. I have a death metal fan friend who takes it very seriously when I bitch mightily about how her favorite singers routinely ruin music I would otherwise like.

hehe I would bitch too. I loves me some good growling, but I'm not above admitting that it sometimes sounds ridiculous. When done right, it's effective, but other times it's just stupid.

Case in point: Six Feet Under. A band fronted by former Cannibal Corpse vocalist Chris Barnes. One of their songs just cracks me up every time I hear it. "The Enemy Inside", from their album Haunted. It's utterly boring and drab, complete with Chris's pathetic attempt at sounding rough. Lame.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 03, 2007, 06:16:49 AM
Slipknot? Metal??  No way dudes. "Mall Core" is what myself and my metalhead buddies call them, along with Disturbed, Drowning Pool, Korn, Shadows Fall (the new stuff anyway), new In Flames, ... the list goes on and on. Mall Core aka Radio Metal has made it tough for actual metal to recover, even though it's still fairly prevalent in the clubs and "underground" scene.

That being said, the WORST metal song has to be anything by so-called "Math Metal" bands such as Dillinger Escape Plan. It's really just noise created by guitars while a guy screeches on top of it. Really sad and pathetic, and while it may take talent to write those songs one measure at a time, that does not a good song make.

There are some other "Math Metal" bands out there, and they all suck equally. If you want to find bands who use technicality to write GOOD songs, and can sing to boot, check out the prog metal stuff like Symphony X and Pagan's Mind.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 03, 2007, 06:20:23 AM
Slipknot? Metal??  No way dudes. "Mall Core" is what myself and my metalhead buddies call them, along with Disturbed, Drowning Pool, Korn, Shadows Fall (the new stuff anyway), new In Flames, ... the list goes on and on. Mall Core aka Radio Metal has made it tough for actual metal to recover, even though it's still fairly prevalent in the clubs and "underground" scene.

That being said, the WORST metal song has to be anything by so-called "Math Metal" bands such as Dillinger Escape Plan. It's really just noise created by guitars while a guy screeches on top of it. Really sad and pathetic, and while it may take talent to write those songs one measure at a time, that does not a good song make.

There are some other "Math Metal" bands out there, and they all suck equally. If you want to find bands who use technicality to write GOOD songs, and can sing to boot, check out the prog metal stuff like Symphony X and Pagan's Mind.

QFT!! QFT!!

It's so refreshing to find someone else out there with the same musical taste and perspective!

Now I'm Verklempt!!

(btw, Symphony X is releasing their next album soon! I'm sooooo stoked for that one!)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 03, 2007, 06:25:46 AM
Sweet! I was listening to The Odyssey the other day, and Pagan's Mind (Enigmatic Calling) this morning on my way into the RiffTrax offices. AMAZING stuff, and if anyone has never heard of them, I suggest you drop what you are doing and seek them out. Absolutely one of the most incredible bands to exist ever, and I don't say that about many bands.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: MisterRiffley on April 03, 2007, 06:33:22 AM
slipknot blows but the band they rip off, mr. bungle, is consummate genius.

i guess i should say was. i'm way old school.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 03, 2007, 06:58:43 AM
You should also note that they TRY to rip off Mr. Bungle and fail miserably. Slipknot isn't experimental at all, either, so musically the two are pretty separate.

Oh man.. I just realized something. Anyone who wants to know what's truly wrong with metal these days, here's a sample of bands on the HOT TOPIC compilation "Metal = Life".

As I Lay Dying, Between the Buried and Me, Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for my Valentine, The Absence, Heaven Shall Burn, Fear Before the March of Flames, Thine Eyes Bleed (only famous because of the Slayer connection), Versus the Mirror, Horse the Band, Chiodos, Most Precious Blood.

If their names don't scream "we suck complete ass!" then just listen to the music. Terrible, terrible, and terrible, and they don't deserve the misleading "Metal" label. It's a travesty to real metal and an insult to metalheads.

Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Nunyerbiz on April 03, 2007, 07:00:39 AM
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Thine Eyes Bleed (only famous because of the Slayer connection)

I object to such a loose interpretation of the word "famous".
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 08:32:25 AM
As I Lay Dying, Between the Buried and Me, Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for my Valentine, The Absence, Heaven Shall Burn, Fear Before the March of Flames, Thine Eyes Bleed (only famous because of the Slayer connection), Versus the Mirror, Horse the Band, Chiodos, Most Precious Blood.

What is it with all this new bullshit trend of naming faux-metal bands the most trite, transparent, pretentious bullshit that can possibly be imagined? These little pricks are invading every concert - you can't see one good band without at least two bands with names like Rose Rotted Corpse and Sad Motherfucking Puppyface Whiny-Voiced Gutless Ball-less Spineless Emo Fucking Fucking Bullshit Fuck... goddamnit. I need to go take my nitro pills.


It's a travesty to real metal and an insult to metalheads.

You're goddamn right it is, and I take it personally that this putrid, gutless shit is invading metal like some disgusting intenstinal parasite crawling up someone's... where are my goddamn nitro pills.

Up until now, I didn't really feel personally antagonized by Hot Topic because I don't relate to anything that Hot Topic mocks and disrespects too horribly, but now I agree with most real goths in that someone needs to go through these boutiques with a chainsaw.

*pops a nitro pill*
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: BathTub on April 03, 2007, 08:59:31 AM
I can't take any band seriously who's singer sounds like Cookie Monster on crystal meth.

I know, probably one of the funniest moments I ever had at work, was flipping the channels of the TV during my break and seeing this all girl band going grururughgururrghhgrughhh. I mean guys sound bad enough, but here were some youngish women trying to imitate it and it just came off so funny.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 09:01:41 AM
I can't take any band seriously who's singer sounds like Cookie Monster on crystal meth.

I know, probably one of the funniest moments I ever had at work, was flipping the channels of the TV during my break and seeing this all girl band going grururughgururrghhgrughhh. I mean guys sound bad enough, but here were some youngish women trying to imitate it and it just came off so funny.

Pretty much except it's more like:

Gruh... GRAGRAFRRGUH.. GRA GRA GRAGHHRTUR... graaaaaaaaaauuuuuuugh.. GRO GRO GRIGHGCHLECT!!!!
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 03, 2007, 09:15:17 AM
I mentioned this in the Shuffle thread, death metal is tricky because there are some great death bands, and some that really suck. I like some death metal, but there is a lot more that I can't stand. Mostly the American stuff is crappy and European is better, usually more melodic too.

For instance you have your Cannibal Corpses, and "grindcore," and then you have Arsis, who is like a prog-melodeath, or Dismember, who is European death metal. All three bands sound nothing alike (well the vocals may be harder to distinguish than all the other genres). It's purely a matter of taste in instances like that. Me personally, I don't like the cookie monster vocals that stand out more than the music, but a band like Arsis who uses the vocals to actually add something to the mix is one I can listen to a lot.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Zealotlee on April 03, 2007, 09:18:43 AM
I can't take any band seriously who's singer sounds like Cookie Monster on crystal meth.

I know, probably one of the funniest moments I ever had at work, was flipping the channels of the TV during my break and seeing this all girl band going grururughgururrghhgrughhh. I mean guys sound bad enough, but here were some youngish women trying to imitate it and it just came off so funny.

Pretty much except it's more like:

Gruh... GRAGRAFRRGUH.. GRA GRA GRAGHHRTUR... graaaaaaaaaauuuuuuugh.. GRO GRO GRIGHGCHLECT!!!!

Oh god why can't I stop laughing  :D.

But yeah, I myself am not a big metal head, but I do agree with you all on the whole "mallcore" genre that all these stupid middle-school/high school kids listen to and think they're so awesome.

Also, before anyone mentions it, ICP has to be the WORST thing to happen to music.... EVER!  Yeah... rap, "metal", and clowns.... THAT WILL WORK!
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 09:23:55 AM
I know what you mean. There's a band called DevilDriver that has the typical badass death metal guitar, and the singer bellows and screeches but it's actually to a tune that relates to the music being played, and that goes a long way toward making it enjoyable. There's a good death metal band thrown in with every 5 or so lame ones, and it means you have to inspect each one individually.

[Also, before anyone mentions it, ICP has to be the WORST thing to happen to music.... EVER!  Yeah... rap, "metal", and clowns.... THAT WILL WORK!

Rap metal took a sharp turn down shit road after the Anthrax - Public Enemy project because all bands after that brought the putrid, primping cockiness of mainstream rap along with the vocal styling. You're absolutely right in any case.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 03, 2007, 09:28:05 AM
prog metal stuff like Symphony X and Pagan's Mind.

Too bad most of taht stuff  is 90% Metal and 10% Prog. It's just odd to hear ordinary, regular Metal tunes and harmonies with Prog-like bits inbetween. It makes no sense at all to me. It's like putting flashy rims and spoilers on a Volvo. Dude, it's still a Volvo.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 09:30:13 AM
It's like putting flashy rims and spoilers on a Volvo. Dude, it's still a Volvo.

Says you as some little eunuch punk in a used Honda goes putting down my street with an exhaust pipe the size of a coffee can. It stirs within me a hellish rage that outstrips even my usual hellish rages.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 03, 2007, 09:32:58 AM
prog metal stuff like Symphony X and Pagan's Mind.

Too bad most of taht stuff  is 90% Metal and 10% Prog. It's just odd to hear ordinary, regular Metal tunes and harmonies with Prog-like bits inbetween. It makes no sense at all to me. It's like putting flashy rims and spoilers on a Volvo. Dude, it's still a Volvo.

ha! I appreciate your analogy, but I feel disrespected having "regular metal tunes" compared to a Volvo! ;)

In any event I know what you mean, but for me I don't care how much of "what" is in a song, if it's a good song, then it is what it is. For me at least, YMMV. I still enjoy bands that are more prog, like Queensryche and Fates Warning. But I don't like the bands that are ALL tech, such as, supposedly, Dillinger Escape Plan, and some other shit metal band that I saw on the music TV channel. My eardrums closed up in horror.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 03, 2007, 09:35:00 AM
Wow, I've been out of the metal scene for a long time, apparently.  And I considered myself the original metal head back in the day!  You guys are totally head spinning me.  I gotsta check some of these bands out though, obviously.

In my day, I hated all the "party" metal bands that sprang up after the PMRC hearings.  RATT, Poison, White Lion, all that crap.

RATT's popular "Round and Round" song was a case in point... in the video, the lead transvestite writhes on a dining room table while wheezing the haunting lyrics:

"Round and round... what goes around comes around... I'll tell you WHY... WHY... WHY..."

...and then, of course, he never does actually fulfill this promise and tell us why.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 09:37:58 AM
I was born in '88 so I missed out on the Golden Age of metal... The best modern metal bands are the ones that don't loose sight of the original soul of metal - there is such a thing as too progressive. Metal is more than loud, angry guitar riffs and dark clothing, and that's something that seems to have been forgotten by most of the Ozzfest crowd.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Minnesota on April 03, 2007, 09:41:56 AM
I've never really liked "hair metal" bands like van hallen, so the worst song would have to be that 'got it bad for the teacher' song.
As for death metal, also not a fan when it resorts to RAARAAARRRRRRRA type lyrics (lol, everyone has a different name for it, but we all know instantly what the other is talking about ;) )
On to nu/radio metal I'm mostly a fan, the better bands like slipknot, disturbed, godsmack, korn, staind are at their best when the songs have an alternative edge to it
ie; slipknot 3 was good do to the Stone Sour influence, Metalica's St. Anger album is the only one I liked, and Korn hit their stride when they changed their sound on the Untouchables.
You guys seem intent on not callling some of these bands "Metal" so maybe you're right, but I just like good rock so I could care less about the label.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Nunyerbiz on April 03, 2007, 09:42:49 AM
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Also, before anyone mentions it, ICP has to be the WORST thing to happen to music.... EVER!  Yeah... rap, "metal", and clowns.... THAT WILL WORK!

Say what you will about ICP. It's not exactly going out on a limb to point out how much they suck from the musical side of things... but they nailed the "schtick" and made a shitload of money for themselves. So... in their case: rap, "metal" and clowns worked very well. I think of them as a twenty year younger version of Kiss that never had the talent to overcome their image and make it out of the minor leagues. Heck... If it wasn't for the internet boom, their retarded little Juggalo army would have never had the stagnant water to grow and they'd still be playing bowling alleys in Toledo. Damn internet...!
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 03, 2007, 09:46:38 AM
ha! I appreciate your analogy, but I feel disrespected having "regular metal tunes" compared to a Volvo! ;)

In any event I know what you mean, but for me I don't care how much of "what" is in a song, if it's a good song, then it is what it is. For me at least, YMMV. I still enjoy bands that are more prog, like Queensryche and Fates Warning. But I don't like the bands that are ALL tech, such as, supposedly, Dillinger Escape Plan, and some other shit metal band that I saw on the music TV channel. My eardrums closed up in horror.

Thing is, though, most regular Metal is built on the 12-bar Blues, an extremely limiting idiom that's been chamged around, fiddled with and used to death over more than seven decades. Come on! Enough already, The odds of doing something new and different within those parameters are pretty much nil.

That's why among heavier bandsI tend to favor acts Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Faith No More, Mr Bungle and especially Eleven; because they actually have a sense of melody that isn't just another take on the vocal line from Heartbreak Hotel or Black Dog. So, when you take some sort of experimental approach (and in the case of Queensryche and FW, I use the term rather loosely) in your instrumental sections, but your vocal bits could fit on a Deep Purple or Whitesnake album, that's just odd.

But, hey, to each his own. I just take umbrage with the fact that so many Prog Metal bands are now seen as pretty much Prog bands (I'm looking at you, Dream Theater), when their actual songwriting is extremely traditional and conservative. It's wearing off even on the non-Metal side of Prog, where regular Pop/Rock tunes with fiddly bits is fast becoming the norm.

Um...to get back on topic, I withdraw Dragonforce and submit The Savagers. You've never heard them, but they once recorded in a studio where I worked during the eighties, and that was probably the worst racket I've heard;an almost totally incompetent Metal singer with no actual power to his falsetto plus some of the most clichéd songwriting I have ever heard. Best part: I think they thought their name was "The Savages", but just didn't know how to spell it.

Been trying to find that record again for years, actually.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: J-Proof on April 03, 2007, 09:54:05 AM
Hehe.... I like ICP

Maybe it's cuz I was a hardcore WCW fan and they made some awesome awesome AWESOME cameos on Monday NITRO!!!
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 03, 2007, 10:05:13 AM
Yeah Dream Theater isn't even prog metal anymore. Their last couple albums have been radio friendly, lackluster pop metal at best. So I can agree with you there.

I'm a fan of Soundgarden and Chains, so you and I have that in common there too. But there are definitely MANY lesser, or unknown bands that have way more talent than the ones that make it (FW, DT, Queensryche). But since mainstream (America) isn't up for something that is challenging to listen to, without being grating like Dillinger, bands like these never become popular. It's sad that bands like Dream Theater and Metallica almost always tend to become more simplistic with their music the more popular they get. Not in all cases, of course, but very many.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 03, 2007, 10:32:53 AM
The problem with crap like Dillinger is that they try to cram as much into each measure as they can, and your brain can't latch on to any of it. Therefore, most people who have no clue how to make music automatically think they're good musicians. So very wrong they are. Plus, the vocals are total crap.  Who said manic punk screams sounded cool? It's even worse than hardcore.

 :grr:


And I've never understood this stupid trend of throwing jazz passages into metal. They are so very out of place and stupid. Yet again, the uneducated out there consider this avant garde and edgy. I consider it absurd.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 11:18:27 AM
I don't believe I've heard a jazz passage in metal before, but then again I tend to have a laser-fine area of interest as far as music goes.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 03, 2007, 01:57:51 PM
I'm no metalhead, but has anyone mentioned Metallica's "St. Anger"? You're a pop rock band now, guys. Just accept it and cash the checks.

Every song released by Dragonforce.

No no no, Dragonforce is hilarity personified. Unless they're trying to be serious...
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 02:02:33 PM
I'm no metalhead, but has anyone mentioned Metallica's "St. Anger"? You're a pop rock band now, guys. Just accept it and cash the checks.

Yeah... someone mentioned they like it.  :-X
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 03, 2007, 02:04:21 PM
Wow, I've been out of the metal scene for a long time, apparently.  And I considered myself the original metal head back in the day!  You guys are totally head spinning me.  I gotsta check some of these bands out though, obviously.

In my day, I hated all the "party" metal bands that sprang up after the PMRC hearings.  RATT, Poison, White Lion, all that crap.

RATT's popular "Round and Round" song was a case in point... in the video, the lead transvestite writhes on a dining room table while wheezing the haunting lyrics:

"Round and round... what goes around comes around... I'll tell you WHY... WHY... WHY..."

...and then, of course, he never does actually fulfill this promise and tell us why.

Is that the video with Milton Berle? WTF?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 03, 2007, 02:08:04 PM
Is that the video with Milton Berle? WTF?

Yup. Apparently RATT were big Berle fans. No one really got it but them.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 03, 2007, 02:21:03 PM
I'm no metalhead, but has anyone mentioned Metallica's "St. Anger"? You're a pop rock band now, guys. Just accept it and cash the checks.

Evidently, on the latest tour, they didn't play a single song from SA. Man, not that I was expecting them to ever get back to the peak of Ride/Master/Justice, but still...
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 03, 2007, 02:41:59 PM
Is that the video with Milton Berle? WTF?

Yup. Apparently RATT were big Berle fans. No one really got it but them.

Actually, what I remember is that one of the band members, (drummer?), was Berle's nephew or great-nephew.  And that was why Milton agreed to be in it.  Should be easy to look up to check if it's true or not.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: timechaser on April 03, 2007, 05:06:42 PM
Grim Reaper's 'See you in Hell'. What a dumb song.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 03, 2007, 05:38:33 PM
Grim Reaper's 'See you in Hell'. What a dumb song.

We have a winner!  Yeah, that was pretty bad.  The dude's voice was like fingernails on a chalkboard.

"see you in hell, my friends-- see you in hell, my friends-- see you in hell, my friends..." ad infinitum ad nauseum...
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 03, 2007, 05:46:23 PM
Grim Reaper's 'See you in Hell'. What a dumb song.

We have a winner!  Yeah, that was pretty bad.  The dude's voice was like fingernails on a chalkboard.

"see you in hell, my friends-- see you in hell, my friends-- see you in hell, my friends..." ad infinitum ad nauseum...

Thank God we had Beavis and Butt-head give them the once over, back in the good ol' days.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 03, 2007, 11:11:35 PM
The Savagers. You've never heard them, but they once recorded in a studio where I worked during the eighties,

Been trying to find that record again for years, actually.


OMFG. The Internet is incredible. An info page on the band (http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=34382), with art work and there's even a torrent on the Pirate Bay of the songs. You have to understand that this was a self-financed EP in 1 000 copies, so... Aw, man, I hope to get some seed action on that torrent..
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 04, 2007, 04:16:17 AM
With names like Whitey X’ero, Steven Thunderhawk, and Andy Double-Hammer, they've gotta be good!!   :D
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: mrbasehart on April 04, 2007, 04:25:27 AM
I pretty much loathe what I've heard by Linkin Park. 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 04, 2007, 04:35:41 AM
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I pretty much loathe what I've heard by Linkin Park. 

do they even count as metal? 

just out of curiosity though, how come you dont like them?  generally i like the sound they have, but i find their lyrics to be insanely vapid and empty.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 04, 2007, 04:43:48 AM
Personally I can't stand the guy's voice - he sounds like he's trying to shit a square brick. The faux-rap stink of it might also put some people off. I mean, I like their guitar, but once they start sampling things or using that squeaky turntable noise it kind of spirals down the drain for me (especially when I hear their singer bitching like there's a doberman eating him from the knees up).
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 04, 2007, 04:51:19 AM
i like the techno sound of it (or turntable or whatever you want to call it) i got no problem with the sound.  his whiny lyrics blows,  if a doberman WAS eating him then at least his bitching would make some sort of sense. 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 04, 2007, 04:53:18 AM
i like the techno sound of it (or turntable or whatever you want to call it) i got no problem with the sound.  his whiny lyrics blows,  if a doberman WAS eating him then at least his bitching would make some sort of sense. 

You've got a point. I have to admit that I like techno a bit too for some reason I can't quite put my finger on. I guess what really gets me is when the one other guy in the band breaks out into rapping in the middle of the chorus... blech.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: ScottotD on April 04, 2007, 05:01:45 AM
those kids today with their baggy pants, asteroid and intertubes.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 04, 2007, 05:06:07 AM
i despise rap culture.  its weird that i dont mind their rapping.  cant explain and dont intend to try.  its just like gorrillaz when they rap i usually dont have a problem with it for some reason.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: ScottotD on April 04, 2007, 05:11:24 AM
 because they're white?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 04, 2007, 05:20:42 AM
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because they're white?


I thought about it that too but i dont think its the reason. 
the guy in gorrillaz song clint eastwood is white?  i thought he was black.  but ive never seen him so i have no idea.   In fact come to think of it ive never seen the linkon park guys either.  I could also say i like black eyed peas and outcast too, but in general i dont like rap.  nor do i usually like rap/rock sound  ala kid rock. 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Minnesota on April 04, 2007, 05:22:21 AM
because they're white?

lol, I dont think thats what he meant (and I'm pretty sure the Gorillaz rapper is black) but

Lincoln Park is horrible for the simple reason that their rapper sucks... when you lose that guy they dont bug me nearly as much
Rap/Metal shows some promise but I'm not really sure anyone will ever do it better than Rage Against the Machine
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: ScottotD on April 04, 2007, 05:31:31 AM
Dan the Automator is the guy in Clint Eastwood and yes, he is black.

So you like the Black Eyed Peas (in their current incarnation) and you feel comfortable dumping on other people's music?



Also, as a serious question.  Why would you do to the trouble to 'despise' a style of music?  It's not aimed at you in the first place and it's not going to change or go away because of your opinion so it seems like a lot of wasted emotion to me. 

I'll usually laugh whenever anyone mentions 'Creed' or 'Nickleback' in a serious manner but I couldn't bring myself to care enough about them to feel hate. 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 04, 2007, 05:36:01 AM
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Rage Against the Machine

heh, they sound bad ass, truly.  yet the more i hear their lyrics the less i can stand them for their actual views.  although its nice to see some groups actually have real ideals and political ideas rather than just vague feelings about politics.  personally though everytime i hear the line "are the same that burn crosses"  (admittedly cant remember whole line) my knuckles go white with rage.


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Dan the Automator is the guy in Clint Eastwood and yes, he is black.

So you like the Black Eyed Peas (in their current incarnation) and you feel comfortable dumping on other people's music?



Also, as a serious question.  Why would you do to the trouble to 'despise' a style of music?  It's not aimed at you in the first place and it's not going to change or go away because of your opinion so it seems like a lot of wasted emotion to me. 

I'll usually laugh whenever anyone mentions 'Creed' or 'Nickleback' in a serious manner but I couldn't bring myself to care enough about them to feel hate.

black eyed peas:no not in their current incarnation but their older stuff. 

please quit taking my posts so damned literally.  i dislike rap PERSONALLY its my subjective opinion.  I dont like the sound of it usually and i like the lyrics less more often than not.  hate is a strong word if taken literally but thats clearly not what i meant anyone to do.  Further im not dumping on ANYONES music, i said I dont like parks lyrics.  Its all subjective. 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: ScottotD on April 04, 2007, 05:39:49 AM
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: BathTub on April 04, 2007, 05:51:17 AM
Fuck you, I won't do as you tell me!


One of my fondest memories of College (high school for you yanks) was when a friend of mine played that over the College radio and made an absolute mess of trying to mute every instance of Fuck.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: ScottotD on April 04, 2007, 05:54:06 AM
I remember spending metalwork classes trying to slowly explain the lyrics to my more... narrow minded classmates.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 04, 2007, 06:19:18 AM
They rally round your family... with a pocket full of shells!

I will reluctantly admit that song is one of the first I learned to cover for a band I was in. The guitar parts were challenging at the time, and hey, I was still learning so it was fun to play.

I don't like RATM that much anymore but their older stuff is pretty good, not sure what they'll do now that they're back together.

And linkin park is not metal, but another example of "radio metal" - while the name is misleading, they are only popular because of the pseudo hard-rock sound, simplistic song structure, and (as correctly pointed out) vapid lyrics. The rap-metal style doesn't help either, since that brand of ripping off Faith No More became popular and died with Limp Dipstick. (If only.)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 04, 2007, 12:49:47 PM
Linkin Park is about as Metal as Hanson.



(http://snoot.org/i/wuss/hanson.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 04, 2007, 12:52:38 PM
The chick in the middle is ugly as sin.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Minnesota on April 04, 2007, 12:56:59 PM
Quagmire doesn't think so  ;D
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: BathTub on April 04, 2007, 02:57:36 PM
giggity!
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: mrbasehart on April 04, 2007, 03:45:55 PM
just out of curiosity though, how come you dont like them?  generally i like the sound they have, but i find their lyrics to be insanely vapid and empty.

For the same reason as Robthebarbarian: I can't stand the guy's voice.  And it (to me, at least) makes every song I've heard by them sound the same.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Hellcat on April 04, 2007, 06:33:42 PM
Grim Reaper's 'See you in Hell'. What a dumb song.

I agree with you there.  And for some crazy reason VH1 Classic keeps playing the video for that dopey song on its Metal Mania show.  Maybe the band has blackmail photos of the network president having sex with a chicken, or something.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 04, 2007, 10:10:37 PM
Dan the Automator is the guy in Clint Eastwood and yes, he is black.

Actually, Dan "the Automator" Nakmura is the DJ who produced the first Gorillaz album. The rapper on "Clint Eastwood" and "Rock The House" was Del tha Funkee Homosapien, and yes he's black, although he was portrayed as an amorphous blue ghost in the videos.

By the way, in case anyone was still under the impression the Gorillaz are a real band, are you sitting down? They're not. Gorillaz is pretty much just Damon Albarn of Blur with the help of illustrator Jamie Hewlett, and various guest stars, session musicians, friends, etc.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 05, 2007, 01:19:18 AM
By the way, in case anyone was still under the impression the Gorillaz are a real band, are you sitting down? They're not. Gorillaz is pretty much just Damon Albarn of Blur with the help of illustrator Jamie Hewlett, and various guest stars, session musicians, friends, etc.

Well, argubly, Del and Dan were pretty equal partners. I mean, Handsome Boy Modeling School and Deltron 3030 aren't exactly miles away from The Gorillaz (thugh usually better, I think - but I find Albarn hasn't done much worth bothering with after the first three Blur albums).
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 05, 2007, 04:44:00 AM
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By the way, in case anyone was still under the impression the Gorillaz are a real band, are you sitting down? They're not. Gorillaz is pretty much just Damon Albarn of Blur with the help of illustrator Jamie Hewlett, and various guest stars, session musicians, friends, etc.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

oh wait, i already knew that lol.  cartoons are real.  therefore the band is real.  lol

still i like the sound that gets put out by them (it, whatever).  Its great how their cds are this interesting mess of different styles.  it means i dont like all they have on their cds but still many of the tracks are golden.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Wheaty Petestraw on April 07, 2007, 12:00:59 PM
I know! It breaks my heart to hear earth-rending guitar ruined by some retard singing like a drunk frat boy belching the alphabet. I have a death metal fan friend who takes it very seriously when I bitch mightily about how her favorite singers routinely ruin music I would otherwise like.

If the vocals are stopping you from liking the music, you're not much of a music fan to begin with and would be better suited listening to "pretty" vocals such as those of No Doubt, Britney Spears or any number of other pop groups.

Oh, wait.. you listen to Black Label Society.. so I guess you kinda do listen to weak pop metal.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Wheaty Petestraw on April 07, 2007, 12:08:40 PM

And I've never understood this stupid trend of throwing jazz passages into metal. They are so very out of place and stupid. Yet again, the uneducated out there consider this avant garde and edgy. I consider it absurd.

You're kidding me, right? Clearly someone who has never heard of Atheist or Cynic.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Wheaty Petestraw on April 07, 2007, 12:11:34 PM
Dan the Automator is the guy in Clint Eastwood and yes, he is black.


Hopefully someone else jumped on this, but Dan the Automator is Asian, not black.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 07, 2007, 02:46:25 PM

And I've never understood this stupid trend of throwing jazz passages into metal. They are so very out of place and stupid. Yet again, the uneducated out there consider this avant garde and edgy. I consider it absurd.

You're kidding me, right? Clearly someone who has never heard of Atheist or Cynic.

Atheist kick ass. I just read something about a farewell tour or album? Or did I miss that boat already. Dammit, I need to find time to pay more attention to these important things.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Jubilee on April 07, 2007, 04:51:59 PM
I'm gonna have to say John the Fisherman. Godawful.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: MisterRiffley on April 07, 2007, 07:46:11 PM
by primus? i love that song!
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 07, 2007, 09:44:33 PM
Dan the Automator is the guy in Clint Eastwood and yes, he is black.


Hopefully someone else jumped on this, but Dan the Automator is Asian, not black.

Covered it.

I'm gonna have to say John the Fisherman. Godawful.

I can't see how Primus would qualify as metal. Poor Les Claypool. If only he were just a little less weird. Just enough to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 07, 2007, 09:50:06 PM
Poor Les Claypool. If only he were just a little less weird. Just enough to be taken seriously.

Yeah, then he might be GWAR level.

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Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 07, 2007, 09:57:49 PM
Primus was playing a festival or something with Alice In Chains once, and while AIC was doing "Rooster," Les snuck out on stage in a giant chicken costume and danced around. I don't think Layne Staley was too pleased by that.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 07, 2007, 10:00:00 PM
I see... then they're about GWAR level right now.

I respect a man who can dance around in a silly outfit in front of people, especially if he can steal someone else's thunder at the same time.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: gbeenie on April 08, 2007, 01:36:50 AM
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I pretty much loathe what I've heard by Linkin Park. 

do they even count as metal? 

just out of curiosity though, how come you dont like them?  generally i like the sound they have, but i find their lyrics to be insanely vapid and empty.

http://www.youhavebadtasteinmusic.com/linkinpark.html (http://www.youhavebadtasteinmusic.com/linkinpark.html)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: gbeenie on April 08, 2007, 01:39:21 AM
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses

What the fuck does that even mean?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: gbeenie on April 08, 2007, 01:45:02 AM
I know! It breaks my heart to hear earth-rending guitar ruined by some retard singing like a drunk frat boy belching the alphabet. I have a death metal fan friend who takes it very seriously when I bitch mightily about how her favorite singers routinely ruin music I would otherwise like.

If the vocals are stopping you from liking the music, you're not much of a music fan to begin with

Who the hell are you to make such a judgment about somebody? Are you saying that the only way to be a "real" music fan is to sit there and put up with something you personally find unpleasant? By that logic, we should all be fans of Michael Bolton.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: gbeenie on April 08, 2007, 01:47:02 AM
Primus was playing a festival or something with Alice In Chains once, and while AIC was doing "Rooster," Les snuck out on stage in a giant chicken costume and danced around. I don't think Layne Staley was too pleased by that.

That is weapons-grade awesome.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 08, 2007, 02:20:39 AM
If the vocals are stopping you from liking the music, you're not much of a music fan to begin with

I think this may qualify for most inane forum post of 2007 so far.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 08, 2007, 06:23:39 AM
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses

What the fuck does that even mean?

What "Rage" was saying there is that some police and military guys are cross burners.  It represents the fear that many African Americans have that the people that are supposed to protect them are actually... you know...

I can understand Sarcasm's anger at it, but you have to recognize that the line reads... "SOME of those that work forces..." not ALL.  And, unfortunately, that's very true.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Jubilee on April 08, 2007, 01:32:28 PM
I'm gonna have to say John the Fisherman. Godawful.
I can't see how Primus would qualify as metal. Poor Les Claypool. If only he were just a little less weird. Just enough to be taken seriously.
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Well if that song has to be classifed as music in-and-of-itself, I have a right to put it in any genre I choose. And I choose Rock Power Ballads.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 08, 2007, 03:36:38 PM
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses

What the fuck does that even mean?

What "Rage" was saying there is that some police and military guys are cross burners.  It represents the fear that many African Americans have that the people that are supposed to protect them are actually... you know...

I can understand Sarcasm's anger at it, but you have to recognize that the line reads... "SOME of those that work forces..." not ALL.  And, unfortunately, that's very true.

Whoa whoa whoa... You're saying that those noises Zach de la Rocha makes are supposed to be words? In English? Huh.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 08, 2007, 06:24:47 PM
yeah the only rage song i can really get into is one of his least preachy ones,  the renegades of funk.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 08, 2007, 06:41:43 PM

And I've never understood this stupid trend of throwing jazz passages into metal. They are so very out of place and stupid. Yet again, the uneducated out there consider this avant garde and edgy. I consider it absurd.

You're kidding me, right? Clearly someone who has never heard of Atheist or Cynic.

I've heard of Atheist, but not heard their music, so no comment on them. Cynic, I've heard some of their music, and have one of their songs, which I liked, but it's been a while since I listened to it.

Still, when a group goes from a flat-out metal mash directly into a jazz passage, which is 100% different from the rest of the song(aside from any other jazz passages in the same song), and then right back into the metal fray, it's really stupid.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: ScottotD on April 08, 2007, 07:55:27 PM
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses

What the fuck does that even mean?

What "Rage" was saying there is that some police and military guys are cross burners.  It represents the fear that many African Americans have that the people that are supposed to protect them are actually... you know...

I can understand Sarcasm's anger at it, but you have to recognize that the line reads... "SOME of those that work forces..." not ALL.  And, unfortunately, that's very true.

Well said.  I really respect the fact he/they have a strong and sometimes unpopular viewpoint and not only stick to it but actively do something about it.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 08, 2007, 08:58:43 PM
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Well said.  I really respect the fact he/they have a strong and sometimes unpopular viewpoint and not only stick to it but actively do something about it.

yeah i agree,  i cant stand their viewpoint  (anarchy is retarded) but you know what at least they actively do stuff for it, stick to it, and arent completely illiterate. 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 08, 2007, 09:03:40 PM
I'm no Rage expert, but I don't think it was anarchy they were advocating. More of a socialist slant. Very funky socialism.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: ScottotD on April 08, 2007, 09:04:09 PM
Yeah, they're not anarchists.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 08, 2007, 09:06:35 PM
I thought the lead singer was an anarchist.  I could be totally wrong i admit, but i really thought he was.  I thought that was one of the reasons he played those free concerts.  Oh well.  im probably wrong since i cant support it.  my bad
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 08, 2007, 11:36:44 PM
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Well said.  I really respect the fact he/they have a strong and sometimes unpopular viewpoint and not only stick to it but actively do something about it.

yeah i agree,  i cant stand their viewpoint  (anarchy is retarded) but you know what at least they actively do stuff for it, stick to it, and arent completely illiterate. 

Well, maybe not illiterate per se, but they sure don't seem to know that many of their ideological idols are in direct opposition to each other - based at last on all the reading materials they show on the inner sleeve of (I think) their second album.

RAtM's politics are really, really confused and based more on opposing certain things (capitalism, corporatism, militarism, authoritarianism) than being pro-anything. So it's more about being rebellious against the status quo (which I find to be a fine base setting, mind) than about offering up much in the way of solutions. It reminds me very much of the way me and my friends reasoned when we were Anarchist Punks in our teens; simplistic, contrarian and not particularly constructive at all.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: ScottotD on April 08, 2007, 11:39:16 PM
My memory of their album sleeves is all details for aid organizations.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: gbeenie on April 09, 2007, 07:48:30 AM
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses

What the fuck does that even mean?

What "Rage" was saying there is that some police and military guys are cross burners.  It represents the fear that many African Americans have that the people that are supposed to protect them are actually... you know...

Because African-Americans LOVE having their "fears" represented by a bunch of Orange County white boys...   >:(
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 09, 2007, 08:04:47 AM
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses

What the fuck does that even mean?

What "Rage" was saying there is that some police and military guys are cross burners.  It represents the fear that many African Americans have that the people that are supposed to protect them are actually... you know...

Because African-Americans LOVE having their "fears" represented by a bunch of Orange County white boys...   >:(

Well, that ain't really true... the lead singer looked white, sure, but I'm pretty sure he was largely of African descent.  And of course the guitarist (?) was African American and he's been on Bill Mahar quite a few times.  Really smart guy.  He wrote most of the songs.  His name escapes me...

I used to think the same thing til I learned that stuffs...
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 09, 2007, 12:11:51 PM
My memory of their album sleeves is all details for aid organizations.

Here's the list of books on the foldout of Evil Empire:

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"International Terrorism and the CIA"
      Mumia Abu-Jamal
"Live From Death Row"
      Mumia Abu-Jamal
""Joe Hill"
      Gibbs M. Smith
"The Mau Mau War in Perspective"
      Frank Furedi
"The Aesthetic Dimension"
      Herbert Marcuse
"The Fire Last Time: 1968 and After "
      Chris Harman
"The Media Monopoly"
      Ben H. Bagdikian
"50 Ways To Fight Censorship"
      Dave Marsh
"Hegemony and Revolution: A study of Antonio Gramsci's Political & Cultural Theory"
      Walter L. Adamson
"The Mismeasure of Man"
      Stephen Gould, Che Guevera
"A New Society: Reflections for Today's World"
      by Che Guevara; edited by David Deutschmann
"The Marx-Engels Reader (2nd ed.)"
      Robert C. Tucker, Editor
"What Uncle Sam Really Wants"
      Noam Chomsky
"Amazing Grace: The Lives of Children and the Conscience of a Nation"
      Jonathan Kozol
"Marxism and the New Imperialism"
      Alex Callinicos, John Rees, Chris Harman, Mike Haynes
"Rules for Radicals"
      Saul D. Alinsky
"A People's History of the United States"
      Howard Zinn
"The Lorax"
      Dr. Seuss
"East Los Angeles, history of a barrio"
      Richard Romo
"Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II"
      William Blum
"Race for Justice: Mumia Abu-Jamal's Fight Against The Death Penalty"
      Leonard Weinglass
"Guerilla Warfare"
      Che Guevera
"Zapata of Mexico"
      Peter E. Newell
"Malcolm X Speaks - Selected Speeches and statements"
      George Breitman
"Marxism and the Press: Oppression of Women, Toward a Unitary Theory"
      Lise Vogel
"Inevitable Revolutions: The United States in Central America"
      Walter LaFeber
"The Chomsky Reader"
      James Peck, Editor
"Chicano Politics: Reality and Promise 1940-1990"
      Juan Gomez Quinones
"The Wretched of the Earth"
      Franz Fanon
"What is Communist Anarchism?"
      Alexander Berkman
"Soledad Brother: The Prison Letters of George Jackson"
      George Jackson
"Fidel and religion: Conversations With Frei Betto"
      Frei Betto
"Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, An American Slave"
      Frederick Douglass
"Democracy is in the Streets"
      James Miller
"Capital, Volume One"
      Karl Marx
"The Black Panthers Speak"
      Philip S. Foner, Editor
"Keeping The Rabble in line - interviews with David Barsamian"
      Noam Chomsky
"Walden and Civil Disobedience"
      Henry David Thoreau
"Darkness at Noon"
      Arthur Koester
"The Culture of Narcissism: American Life of Diminishing Expectations"
      Christopher Lasch
"Play it as it lays"
      Joan Didion
"The State and Revolution"
      V.I. Lenin
"Soul on Ice"
      Eldridge Cleaver
"Kwame Nkrumah: The Conarky Years, His Life and Letters"
      Compiled by June Milne
"Revolutionary Suicide"
      Huey P. Newton
"The Anarchist Cookbook"
      William Powell
"Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media"
      Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky
"Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man"
      James Joyce
"Another country"
      James Baldwin
"The Grapes of Wrath"
      John Steinbeck
"The Armies of the Night"
      Norman Mailer
"Invisible Man"
      Ralph Ellison
"The War Against Oblivion: Zapatista Chronicles, 1994-2000"
      John Ross
"First World Ha! Ha! Ha! - The Zapatista challenge"
      Elaine Katzenberger, Editor
"The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge"
      Carlos Castaneda
"Tropic of Cancer"
      Henry Miller
"Johnny Got His Gun"
      Dalton Trumbo
"Essays in Existentialism"
      Jean-Paul Sartre
"How Real is Real? Confusion, disinformation, communication"
      Paul Watzlawick
"Ghost of a Chance"
      William S.Burroughs
"POPism :The Warhol Sixties"
      Andy Warhol & Pat Hackett
"Chicana falsa and other stories of death, identity, and Oxnard"
      Michele M. Serros
"Promissory Notes: Women in the Transition to socialism"
      Sonia Kruks, Ranya Rapp, Marilyn B. Young, Editors
"Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture, and the making of a gay world"
      George Chauncey
"This bridge called my back: Writings by radical women of color"
      Cherrie Monzaga, Gloria Anzaluda, Editors
"Subliminal Seduction"
      Wilson Bryan Key
"Power at Play: Sports and the Problem of Masculinity"
      Michael A. Messner
"Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women"
      Susan Faludi
"90 Years of Ford"
      George H. Dammann
"Illustrated History of Ford"
      George H. Damman
"The Challenge of Local Feminisms: Women Movements in Global Perspective"
      Amrita Basu
"Miles, the Autobiography"
      Miles Davis
"The Sixties Papers: Documents of a Rebellious Decade"
      Judith Clavir Albert and Stewart Edward Albert
"The Graphic Work"
      M. C. Escher
"Bob Marley Spirit Dancer"
      Bruce W. Talamon
"Dali: The Paintings "
      Benedikt Taschen, Robert Taschen, Giles Neret
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 09, 2007, 06:46:35 PM
Because African-Americans LOVE having their "fears" represented by a bunch of Orange County white boys...   >:(

Both "singer" Zach de la Rocha and guitarist Tom Morello are at least half black, so Rage can boast at least one whole black guy.  ;)

I thought the lead singer was an anarchist.  I could be totally wrong i admit, but i really thought he was.  I thought that was one of the reasons he played those free concerts.

How does holding a free concert suggest anarchy? Garth Brooks did a free concert in Central Park, and I'm fairly sure he's not an anarchist.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 09, 2007, 06:52:18 PM
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses

What the fuck does that even mean?

What "Rage" was saying there is that some police and military guys are cross burners.  It represents the fear that many African Americans have that the people that are supposed to protect them are actually... you know...

Because African-Americans LOVE having their "fears" represented by a bunch of Orange County white boys...   >:(

Both "singer" Zach de la Rocha and guitarist Tom Morello are at least half black, so Rage has has at least one whole black guy.

That's the names!  Thanks, Shark.  (the "one whole black guy" thing maybe was a bit too much... I'm just sayin'...)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 09, 2007, 06:57:16 PM
Both "singer" Zach de la Rocha and guitarist Tom Morello are at least half black, so Rage can boast at least one whole black guy.  ;)

That's the names!  Thanks, Shark.  (the "one whole black guy" thing maybe was a bit too much... I'm just sayin'...)

Yeah, I debated it for a second, but I figure Tom Morello would think it was funny. Zach, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure has no sense of humor.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 09, 2007, 07:01:40 PM
Both "singer" Zach de la Rocha and guitarist Tom Morello are at least half black, so Rage can boast at least one whole black guy.  ;)

That's the names!  Thanks, Shark.  (the "one whole black guy" thing maybe was a bit too much... I'm just sayin'...)

Yeah, I debated it for a second, but I figure Tom Morello would think it was funny. Zach, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure has no sense of humor.

Well, he's in Tibet now ain't he?  Didn't he give away all his worldly possessions and move in with the monks?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 09, 2007, 07:10:51 PM
Both "singer" Zach de la Rocha and guitarist Tom Morello are at least half black, so Rage can boast at least one whole black guy.  ;)

That's the names!  Thanks, Shark.  (the "one whole black guy" thing maybe was a bit too much... I'm just sayin'...)

Yeah, I debated it for a second, but I figure Tom Morello would think it was funny. Zach, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure has no sense of humor.

Well, he's in Tibet now ain't he?  Didn't he give away all his worldly possessions and move in with the monks?

Beats me, but I know the band's back together for at least four gigs starting the end of this month. I'll miss Audioslave.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: gbeenie on April 09, 2007, 08:56:51 PM
Oh yeah, citing writings by cop-killing shit-bag Mumia Abu-Jamal is a SUREFIRE way to get me onboard.   :P
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 09, 2007, 09:01:56 PM
Oh yeah, citing writings by cop-killing shit-bag Mumia Abu-Jamal is a SUREFIRE way to get me onboard.   :P

Beenie, Beenie, please!  Don't be hatin'.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 09, 2007, 10:39:01 PM
i dunno it looks like something pretty valid to hate. 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Minnesota on April 10, 2007, 04:48:00 AM
I agree with beenie, dude seems pretty guilty of murder yet has millions of followers ("thanks Rage" :?)
Seriously though, I don't have too many problems with rock stars singing about social causes. It's part of what gives rock its fighting spirit (plus I'm usually more liberal than conservative)

Not sure if changing gears to politics from social commentary is a logical step on my part, but I've noticed that the actual words and meanings of songs aren't always as important as the contentext in which it is used. IE; Both sides of politics use Springfields Born in the USA even though the song is supposedly liberal.

My point is, a band like Rage can sing about "change" and although their politics aren't my own, I can apply it to things I would like to see changed.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 06:36:42 AM
Hey, Sarcasm knows how much I respect cops and if Mumia was guilty of that heinous crime then I think he should hang, obviously.  What I said to Beenie was flip and I was just trying to lighten it up.

I'm sorry if I angried anybody up.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: ScottotD on April 10, 2007, 06:43:32 AM
hang?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 06:45:38 AM
hang?

ooooh, was that a poor choice of words?  Yikes, sorry... but yeah, I mean, he should be punished for a cop-killing, is what I mean...

*slinks away*
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Minnesota on April 10, 2007, 06:48:13 AM
Naw, not a poor choice of words its a common American expression
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Conor on April 10, 2007, 06:58:53 AM
Not going to read through the rest of this thread, but please tell me that Megadeth - Captive Honour was the resounding victor.

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Captive-Honour-lyrics-Megadeth/177286D91439E599482568BF00235A47 (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Captive-Honour-lyrics-Megadeth/177286D91439E599482568BF00235A47)

It would probably qualify solely based on the little "Trial" section midway through, with dramatic screeching from the defendant and the offensive "inmate welcoming him to prison" voice.

But factor in one of the most horrific lines ever, (in the last verse, you'll know it when you see it) and you've got yourself a winner.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 10, 2007, 07:13:47 AM
You guys need to refer to Rage Against the Machine as RATM, because there is a German band called Rage, who kick more ass than RATM could ever hope to.

[yt=425,350]t8sBk7oUygA[/yt]


And Conor is right, that MD song sucks complete ass. Mustaine has some really bad moments, but some of the new stuff seems promising. We'll see.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 10, 2007, 07:52:23 AM
But it was Ted Nugent who was the Judge!! (or was it the jury?)

That's gotta account for somethin'!! 

 ;)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 10, 2007, 08:15:00 AM
Haha true, the 'Nuge does kick unholy amounts of ass. I miss his "reality show" on VH1, that was hilarious!
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 06:38:58 PM
worst metal song?   its got to be SOMETHING limp bizcuit did. 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 06:40:28 PM
worst metal song?   its got to be SOMETHING limp bizcuit did. 

That would absolutely be true if Limp Bizkit were metal.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 06:41:39 PM
eh i never know how to classify music, people think differently than me.  What would you call it?  personally i would be all for just calling it utter crap
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 06:46:15 PM
I've heard Limp Bizkit, as well as Rage Against The Machine, and Linkin Park, called "rap metal," but I think rap rock is more appropriate. But metal's pretty difficult to define, so who knows? I worked at FYE for a while, and you wouldn't believe some of the stuff that ended up in the "heavy metal" section. Aerosmith? What?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 06:49:33 PM
personally i think people over classify stuff anyways. 

for me there are only a few REAL classifications

rock
rap
jazz
classical
forgeign
country
techno


thats about ALL i can think of. 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 06:54:29 PM
Yeah, that's pretty much all you need. You can put folk, blues, and that shit they call "R&B" these days under the pop/rock catch-all.

But I hate the "foreign" section. Like the music can't be classified as rock or jazz or whatever because it's not from an English-speaking country.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 10, 2007, 06:55:14 PM
personally i think people over classify stuff anyways. 

for me there are only a few REAL classifications

rock
rap
jazz
classical
forgeign
country
techno


thats about ALL i can think of. 

I'd add metal as a seperate catagory, even though it's hard to define what's truly metal. It's sort of a gut feeling that involved weighing the speed of the guitar, the tone of the music and the feeling of the lyrics. I think it's seperate enough for rock to be it's own genre.

But I hate the "foreign" section. Like the music can't be classified as rock or jazz or whatever because it's not from an English-speaking country.

Well, what would you call Celtic bagpipe band music? You know, that stuff they play at Ren Fests.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 06:59:02 PM
I'd add metal as a seperate catagory, even though it's hard to define what's truly metal. It's sort of a gut feeling that involved weighing the speed of the guitar, the tone of the music and the feeling of the lyrics. I think it's seperate enough for rock to be it's own genre.

Yeah, but metal's still a type of rock & roll. The problem is that if you apply the same rules to every other subgenre you end up with a thousand different sections in the record store.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 10, 2007, 07:04:06 PM
I wouldn't say metal is a subgenre of rock, though, and that's my point. I think the sound is different enough from rock and it's subgenres to be classified as something else. I guess it's just me.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 07:06:23 PM
But where do you draw the line? Where do you put Black Sabbath? How about System Of A Down?

But I hate the "foreign" section. Like the music can't be classified as rock or jazz or whatever because it's not from an English-speaking country.

Well, what would you call Celtic bagpipe band music? You know, that stuff they play at Ren Fests.

Yeah, there should be an catch-all other section for traditional music. Plus, soundtrack/showtunes and comedy/spoken word.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 07:08:34 PM
But where do you draw the line? Where do you put Black Sabbath? How about System Of A Down?

Hey!  Sabbath is King.  That's all's I'm sayin'...
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 10, 2007, 07:09:34 PM
Personally I'd put SOAD in the trash can, but that's just me. Like I said I guess it's just a personal thing that's hard to define.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 07:28:05 PM
actually id add pop to my list.

foreign was supposed to just be folk music from non english speaking countrys,  because our folk blue grass, falls into country.  blues falls under jazz (yes i know they are different) R and B falls into rap (again i realize a major difference)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 07:29:30 PM
See, the more we categorize stuff, the more we argue over what goes where. Just put it all in alphabetical order - problem solved.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 10, 2007, 08:26:11 PM
Black Sabbath - I consider them hard rock / classic metal, but they created THE metal sound.

SOAD - are NOT metal. Radio metal or "mallcore." 

EDIT: So is Limp Dipstick. People consider them "rap metal" but I would say RATM moreso, and put limp in the "mallcore" category.
RATM could be considered funk metal.

Blind Guardian: power metal.

Hatebreed: shi-- er... hardcore.

Decapitated: European death metal


My point is, you have to categorize things, especially in the metal genre. Granted, someone like me who likes "most types of metal" doesn't categorize except to the point where I say, "I feel like listening to power metal today in my car, and some classic metal at the office."  Just as you have your classic rock, hard rock, psychedelic rock, soft rock, etc etc. Sure they are subgenres of "rock" and share many of the same traits, but the difference between "Iron Man" and any Bryan Adams song is vast.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 08:31:25 PM
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See, the more we categorize stuff, the more we argue over what goes where. Just put it all in alphabetical order - problem solved.

which is why i advocate the blatant OVER simplification.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 08:32:58 PM
My point is, you have to categorize things, especially in the metal genre. Granted, someone like me who likes "most types of metal" doesn't categorize except to the point where I say, "I feel like listening to power metal today in my car, and some classic metal at the office."  Just as you have your classic rock, hard rock, psychedelic rock, soft rock, etc etc. Sure they are subgenres of "rock" and share many of the same traits, but the difference between "Iron Man" and any Bryan Adams song is vast.

There's nothing wrong with super-categorizing music. I was just saying you don't need a "heavy metal" section in the record store any more than you need a "European death metal" section.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 08:35:07 PM
Yeah, Torgos, that's really true.  More with metal than any other style of music.  The genres and subgenres just become super reductionist.

But, we all agree that Sabbath is King, though, right?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 08:35:39 PM
i like to think of it like genus family and all that

look ill do blind gaurdian as an example

family of rock
sub family of metal
genus of power metal
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 08:38:29 PM
i like to think of it like genus family and all that

look ill do blind gaurdian as an example

family of rock
sub family of metal
genus of power metal

Kingdom: Human creation
Phylum: Art
Class: Recorded music
Order: Popular music
Family: Rock & Roll
Genus: Power metal
Species: Blind Guardian
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 10, 2007, 08:43:40 PM
I'd say something more like

Kingdom: Human creation
Phylum: Art
Class: Recorded music
Order: Rock and Roll
Family: Metal
Genus: NWOBHM
Species: Iron Maiden

Or somesuch.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 08:46:04 PM
Yeah, but... Sabbath, though, right?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 10, 2007, 08:46:44 PM
Yeah, but... Sabbath, though, right?
GODDAMNIT

Yes. Sabbath. Sabbath is good.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 08:52:55 PM
Yeah, but... Sabbath, though, right?
GODDAMNIT

Yes. Sabbath. Sabbath is good.

I heard that through the monitor!  Sorry, dude, just fuckin with youse guys...
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 08:54:37 PM
So...
Kingdom: Human Creation
Phylum: Art
Class: Music
Order: Rock & Roll
Family: Metal
Genus: New Wave of British Heavy Metal
Species: Iron Maiden

Works for me. We've solved the music taxonomy problem. Thank you, Linnaeus.

Yeah, but... Sabbath, though, right?

The old geezer's losing it...
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 08:55:58 PM
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heard that through the monitor!  Sorry, dude, just fuckin with youse guys...

heh dont worry moonbat, the neocon bastard thought it was funny

ps bad ass taxonomies, i love it.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 08:57:24 PM
So...
Kingdom: Human Creation
Phylum: Art
Class: Music
Order: Rock & Roll
Family: Metal
Genus: New Wave of British Heavy Metal
Species: Iron Maiden

Works for me. We've solved the music taxonomy problem. Thank you, Linnaeus.

Yeah, but... Sabbath, though, right?

The old geezer's losing it...

HAHA!!!  Yeah, it happens...  what can I tell ya!  Ooops, there's another stroke...
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 09:03:58 PM
I'm trying to find a clip of Blue Man Group doing "Crazy Train," but I can't find a good one...

http://www.youtube.com/v/gZBeNhVaIWU
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 09:06:03 PM
speaking of taxonomys as we are want to do around here,

what would a good taxonomy be for blue man group?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 09:07:23 PM
Damned if I know. Pure genius?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 09:10:23 PM
have you caught any of their live shows.  the word show by the way is WAY more appropriate than the word concert.

i have seen the new one "how to be a megastar 2.0"

and i have seen them live in vegas,  what a bad ass trip both times.  I hope they have something new soon so i can go see that.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 09:13:14 PM
Sadly, I've never seen any of their live stuff. The closest I've come is my often-played Complex Rock Tour DVD. But I live close to NYC so hopefully I'll see them soon.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 09:15:54 PM
i thought you live in ausstralia.  now my impression of a guy sitting in a small shack in the middle of the outback chasing off gators roos and kolas just to get to his keyboard has been destroyed  damn  (im just kidding)

but yeah you should go to vegas.  dont go gamble its boring, go get hammered and go see the 80 something different shows.  blue man and about 8 difference cirqu de solei shows. 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 09:22:37 PM
Wait, kidding about Australia, or the shotgun and shack? The only Aussie here I can think of is Edward J Grug III. We need to get those little flags back. Torgo's?

Man, I would have to be health-endangeringly hammered to get gragged into Cirque du Soleil. There's so many shows to see in Vegas that aren't so... um, fabulously gay.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 09:24:48 PM
actually mystere was pretty cool, just avoid the zumanity one.  although my bro said it had some hot chicks doing interesting things in almost nothing
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 09:27:32 PM
actually mystere was pretty cool, just avoid the zumanity one.  although my bro said it had some hot chicks doing interesting things in almost nothing

Yeah, there is hotness in the chick dept.  But no real boobs to speak of... sorry, that was really sexist.  Sorry...
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 09:28:14 PM
Yeah, I heard Zumanity is about as close to a live sex show you can find without running the risk of getting fluids on you.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 10, 2007, 09:29:00 PM
...sorry, that was really sexist.  Sorry...

Once again I'd like to advocate on Randy's behalf that Wicca is not female oriented. Not. That is all.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 09:29:56 PM

Quote
sorry, that was really sexist.  Sorry...

how is it sexist?  

its guys describing the attractiveness of certain women to other guys.  I fail to see the sexism or the inappropriateness in it.  
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 09:33:11 PM
...sorry, that was really sexist.  Sorry...

Once again I'd like to advocate on Randy's behalf that Wicca is not female oriented. Not. That is all.

You frickin' guy!!!  I hope I can get my hands on you at some Rifftrax convention or something, I will have a stroke all over you!

(That was really, seriously some funny shite!)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 09:34:06 PM

Quote
sorry, that was really sexist.  Sorry...

how is it sexist? 

its guys describing the attractiveness of certain women to other guys.  I fail to see the sexism or the inappropriateness in it. 


That's because you're a dude, and could never begin the fathom the myriad ways a woman could be offended. I've come to accept my inability not to offend women, and have instead focused on practicing my adorably innocent "I'm sorry" face.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 09:35:43 PM
Quote
That's because you're a dude, and could never begin the fathom the myriad ways a woman could be offended. I've come to accept my inability not to offend women, and have instead focused on practicing my adorably innocent "I'm sorry" face.

you cant offend them if they arent there.  He was talking to you sharky telling you about what you might expect.  Its not like he was insulting them.  Eh crazy women and their "emotions" bah i say. 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 10, 2007, 09:37:14 PM
I focus more on my "get over yourself" face and practicing my middle finger extensions. Hence why I'm single. I'm like an awkward, unappealing Han Solo.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 09:40:25 PM
Yeah, being married for 22 years, you get real sensitive to the "boobs" remarks... And yes, Sharky, the "I'm Sorry" face will stand you in good stead when you get married!

Testicles=wrong, remember that, and you will go far.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 10, 2007, 09:41:41 PM
You're making marriage sound reeeaaal appealing to the rest of us there, buddy.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 09:44:37 PM
Captain Kirk agrees.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 09:47:28 PM
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I'm like an awkward, unappealing Han Solo.

i come across quite often like dr House.  i personally wish i had a cane.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 09:52:21 PM
Quote
I'm like an awkward, unappealing Han Solo.

i come across quite often like dr House.  i personally wish i had a cane.

That can be arranged.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 09:53:40 PM
yes i could go buy a cane lol

i said cane not a limp  :)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 10, 2007, 09:56:24 PM
yes i could go buy a cane lol

Why, yes, that's what I meant. *cough* A cane. Yeah.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 10, 2007, 10:00:13 PM
I saw a cane in the Aberdine Museum gift shop made entirely of .50 calibur rounds. It was so badass.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 10, 2007, 10:14:25 PM
I saw a cane in the Aberdine Museum gift shop made entirely of .50 calibur rounds. It was so badass.

I'm sorry, Aberdine Museum?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 10, 2007, 11:13:44 PM
i always liked errol flynns cane/lighter  that thing looked cool
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 11, 2007, 06:45:56 AM
I leave for an hour and you guys go from genres of rock to canes. What the hell?  :speechless:
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 11, 2007, 07:21:57 AM
I leave for an hour and you guys go from genres of rock to canes. What the hell?  :speechless:

heh I'm just as surprised as you are!

 :)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: ScottotD on April 12, 2007, 01:46:37 AM
Naw, not a poor choice of words its a common American expression

...so?

Wait, kidding about Australia, or the shotgun and shack? The only Aussie here I can think of is Edward J Grug III.

 :grr:

maybe I should type with more of an accent.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 12, 2007, 01:48:08 AM
yeah throw in a few cheers or something lol
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 12, 2007, 07:16:23 AM
'ello, mate!
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: BathTub on April 12, 2007, 07:35:56 AM
It's a fair suck of the sav' ScottH, you're going to need to make a few more vegemite sandwiches for the cobbers before they get the gist that you live in Oz.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 12, 2007, 08:20:04 AM
It's a fair suck of the sav' ScottH, you're going to need to make a few more vegemite sandwiches for the cobbers before they get the gist that you live in Oz.

That sounds like a verse from a Metal song!
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 12, 2007, 11:57:00 AM
I saw a cane in the Aberdine Museum gift shop made entirely of .50 calibur rounds. It was so badass.

I'm sorry, Aberdine Museum?

I'm guessing it's a museum in Aberdine or - possibly - Aberdeen.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 12, 2007, 12:17:21 PM
I saw a cane in the Aberdine Museum gift shop made entirely of .50 calibur rounds. It was so badass.

I'm sorry, Aberdine Museum?

I'm guessing it's a museum in Aberdine or - possibly - Aberdeen.

Wel, certainly, I was just hoping to learn more about it.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Teaflax on April 12, 2007, 12:19:49 PM
Wel, certainly, I was just hoping to learn more about it.

Ah, sorry. In that case, just consider my post a brief visit from Captain Obvious.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 12, 2007, 10:56:03 PM
Wait, kidding about Australia, or the shotgun and shack? The only Aussie here I can think of is Edward J Grug III.

 :grr:

maybe I should type with more of an accent.

I remembered you, but I thought you were in New Zealand. We really do need to get those little flags back.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 13, 2007, 09:20:09 AM
Yeah the recent upgrade to the forum software wiped it out, I'll get them back as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Wheaty Petestraw on April 14, 2007, 05:51:23 PM
I'm not a big fan of over-classification, but you have to understand that there IS a difference between rock (Nickelback), hard rock (Guns N Roses) and metal (Metallica). While there are bands that kind of straddle the lines between those styles and make it less understandable to those who don't listen to that kind of music, there are differences.

Generally, rock bands don't have much variance in tempo and tend to have bland, boring songs. They don't usually have guitar solos and it's basically just a guy and his guitar with backing musicians to play all the other instruments for the songwriter.

Hard rock bands spice up rock a bit in the guitar department, adding solos but not much in the way of heavy drums. When you think of hard rock bands, you only think of the guitarists and vocalists and not the drummers.

Metal bands almost universally have guitar solos, though there has been a trend in some forms of extreme metal to skip them entirely. They also employ double bass drumming and the guitarist and drummer are more prominent members.

To me, calling metal the same as rock or hard rock would be like saying rap/r&b/hip hop are all the same thing when they're not.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Quicksilver on April 16, 2007, 07:31:08 PM
I dont agree with all that much in this thread, why dont you all just make a list of bands considered metal and then decide which is worst.

Dont take this the wrong way, but I'm the type that will like a certain era of a band and dismiss the crap they later produced. In this sense it's very hard to name some band worst metal band.

example; can you really tell me korn's album "life is peachy" is hard rock....  However yeah, anything after follow the leader pretty much went to hell, and even then follow the leader isnt metal, but I contest life is peachy is. purely an example, not a korn freak. I'm more of a rammstein guy, decidedly industrial metal.

Yeah and linkin park shouldnt even be brought up here, that is not metal

bah I sound just as biased as everyone else.. guess that's why it's music. A thread on everyones favorite metal bands would be much easier.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 16, 2007, 07:48:38 PM
I dont agree with all that much in this thread, why dont you all just make a list of bands considered metal and then decide which is worst.

Dont take this the wrong way, but I'm the type that will like a certain era of a band and dismiss the crap they later produced. In this sense it's very hard to name some band worst metal band.

example; can you really tell me korn's album "life is peachy" is hard rock....  However yeah, anything after follow the leader pretty much went to hell, and even then follow the leader isnt metal, but I contest life is peachy is. purely an example, not a korn freak. I'm more of a rammstein guy, decidedly industrial metal.

Yeah and linkin park shouldnt even be brought up here, that is not metal

bah I sound just as biased as everyone else.. guess that's why it's music. A thread on everyones favorite metal bands would be much easier.

Yeah, but... Sabbath, tho', right?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Quicksilver on April 16, 2007, 08:04:07 PM
very much used to be into them. I listen to a wide array of music. Kinda weird. A typical playlist might go something like floyd, rammstein, squirrel nut zippers, radiohead, ray charles, tool, greenday, bach, sublime, matisyahu, U2, ccr, and heck I'll admit it end it with bjork.
Yeah, I'm a freak, I seriously will make cd's like that.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 17, 2007, 04:55:18 AM
A thread on everyones favorite metal bands would be much easier.

Y'know, you can always start one... but then we'd all get into heated debates on what is to be considered metal.   ;)
It's just more fun to complain, that's all.


Oh, and Sabbath rules.

Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Quicksilver on April 17, 2007, 04:57:13 AM
A thread on everyones favorite metal bands would be much easier.

Y'know, you can always start one... but then we'd all get into heated debates on what is to be considered metal.   ;)
It's just more fun to complain, that's all.


Oh, and Sabbath rules.

You're right, here goes nothing.....ICP sucks and isnt metal. Sorry I'm trying, I really hate those guys.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 17, 2007, 05:52:09 AM
...follow the leader isnt metal, but I contest life is peachy is. purely an example, not a korn freak. I'm more of a rammstein guy...

Ehmmmm... Well, Korn isn't metal, so they can't possibly produce a metal album. Fact. The problem is that people who've never been exposed to actual, true "metal" wouldn't have any idea what to look for. If the hardest band you've ever heard is Korn, Rammstein, or other bands that are easily heard on the radio, then chances are you've never heard a metal band.

I hate to sound elitist, but it's the truth. I used to be the same way, until I had a friend who listened to much more than I did, came to me and said "You need to hear these bands." My girlfriend's friend in NY loves Disturbed and Linkin Park, because they are the heaviest thing on the radio perhaps, (sad I know), and so bands like Agent Steel, Testament, Sonata Arctica, Rage... a lot of these bands that come from outside the US especially, who only get to play in bars, and will never be heard on the major Clear Channel stations, are lightyears beyond anything that the average consumer listens to.

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Yeah and linkin park shouldnt even be brought up here, that is not metal
bah I sound just as biased as everyone else.. guess that's why it's music. A thread on everyones favorite metal bands would be much easier.

You're right but something, based on our posts just now, that could be done is a topic dedicated to "What is metal?" I would venture to bet that 90% of the people from the States will say things like korn and disturbed, shadows fall, and all those other radio metal bands.

/me gets off his soapbox.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 17, 2007, 05:57:32 AM
Although, it should be noted that just because a "hard rock" band doesn't qualify as "metal" doesn't automatically mean it sucks, despite what some metalheads would have you believe.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 17, 2007, 06:23:08 AM
Ehmmmm... Well, Korn isn't metal, so they can't possibly produce a metal album. Fact.

What?? Korn is not Metal??

My world is just falling apart...   :speechless:


 ;D
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 17, 2007, 07:00:03 AM
Although, it should be noted that just because a "hard rock" band doesn't qualify as "metal" doesn't automatically mean it sucks, despite what some metalheads would have you believe.

This is true, and keep in mind, I never said that. I like plenty of stuff that isn't metal, but this isn't a "Worst hard rock song" thread, now is it? :P
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Quicksilver on April 17, 2007, 04:44:46 PM
Well I guess I dont like metal. Really not understanding this debate. Heck, I guess I dont even know of a single metal band in fact. I'm clueless. I wrote more, but forget it.   
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on April 17, 2007, 06:16:12 PM
Well I guess I dont like metal. Really not understanding this debate. Heck, I guess I dont even know of a single metal band in fact. I'm clueless. I wrote more, but forget it.   

Ummm.. thanks?

We could always change this thread to "Worst song of any genre" if that helps.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RandyMistie on April 17, 2007, 06:20:10 PM
We kinda got way off the original topic anyways, like we always do, so... eh.

But if you don't like metal... well, I just don't know what to do for ya...
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Quicksilver on April 17, 2007, 08:11:22 PM
I was merely saying I'm questioning what is metal, no offense torgo. I just like music, always thought of some groups as metal or at least some of their songs. Getting really nit picky, well I guess I do it too. In summary just was frustrated. ok so then we'll have a new thread of something maybe I can discuss.  ;)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Wheaty Petestraw on April 20, 2007, 06:43:56 PM

Yeah, but... Sabbath, tho', right?

While they influenced a countless number of metal bands and were a ground-breaking act, I wouldn't consider Sabbath to be metal as a whole. They were influenced heavily by the Beatles, but weren't nearly as poppy. Would the Beatles be considered metal because they were a direct influence to a band that was influential to the creation of an entire sub-genre? Sabbath were certainly a direct inspiration for doom metal, due to their slow pace (which was necessary due to Tony Iommi's fingertips being cut off), but I hardly think that alone qualifies them as a metal act.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Sharktopus on April 21, 2007, 08:10:46 PM
We kinda got way off the original topic anyways, like we always do, so... eh.

But if you don't like metal... well, I just don't know what to do for ya...

We know you like Sabbath and Dio, but somehow I imagine most bands you like, Randy, these guys would classify as hard rock and not metal.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Kronos on May 01, 2007, 07:56:41 PM
Anything by Grim Reaper would suffice.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on May 02, 2007, 04:33:45 AM
Anything by Grim Reaper would suffice.

Beavis and Butt-head would agree.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Nunyerbiz on May 02, 2007, 05:59:10 AM

Yeah, but... Sabbath, tho', right?

While they influenced a countless number of metal bands and were a ground-breaking act, I wouldn't consider Sabbath to be metal as a whole. They were influenced heavily by the Beatles, but weren't nearly as poppy. Would the Beatles be considered metal because they were a direct influence to a band that was influential to the creation of an entire sub-genre? Sabbath were certainly a direct inspiration for doom metal, due to their slow pace (which was necessary due to Tony Iommi's fingertips being cut off), but I hardly think that alone qualifies them as a metal act.

Well, I think as time goes on and the boundaries get pushed... perceptions change. When I was a kid, Iron Maiden was about as metal as there was. Granted, their live shows were always a bit over the top and corny... but back then metal was as much about showmanship as it was dark imagery and palm muted, death crunching power riffs.

Just because "metal" might mean something different today than it did 20-30 years ago doesn't mean Maiden or Sabbath get reclassified. That would be like saying Buddy Holly or Chuck Berry weren't rock and roll pioneers because nowadays they'd be considered pop.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: gbeenie on May 02, 2007, 11:11:38 AM

Yeah, but... Sabbath, tho', right?

While they influenced a countless number of metal bands and were a ground-breaking act, I wouldn't consider Sabbath to be metal as a whole. They were influenced heavily by the Beatles, but weren't nearly as poppy. Would the Beatles be considered metal because they were a direct influence to a band that was influential to the creation of an entire sub-genre? Sabbath were certainly a direct inspiration for doom metal, due to their slow pace (which was necessary due to Tony Iommi's fingertips being cut off), but I hardly think that alone qualifies them as a metal act.

Well, I think as time goes on and the boundaries get pushed... perceptions change. When I was a kid, Iron Maiden was about as metal as there was. Granted, their live shows were always a bit over the top and corny... but back then metal was as much about showmanship as it was dark imagery and palm muted, death crunching power riffs.

Just because "metal" might mean something different today than it did 20-30 years ago doesn't mean Maiden or Sabbath get reclassified. That would be like saying Buddy Holly or Chuck Berry weren't rock and roll pioneers because nowadays they'd be considered pop.

Excellent point.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Natureboy on May 02, 2007, 11:15:51 AM
I am going to go back a little ways for the worst Metal song:

Dio- I Could Have Been A Dreamer

Worst POP Metal album - Van Halen 3
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: JonnyFrag on May 11, 2007, 01:03:22 PM
One word


Stryper



Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on June 04, 2008, 01:36:27 PM
Black Sabbath - I consider them hard rock

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealy?

SOAD - are NOT metal. Radio metal or "mallcore."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Because their experimental edge and overt politics make them a pop band.

[Also, before anyone mentions it, ICP has to be the WORST thing to happen to music.... EVER!  Yeah... rap, "metal", and clowns.... THAT WILL WORK!

Rap metal took a sharp turn down shit road after the Anthrax - Public Enemy project because all bands after that brought the putrid, primping cockiness of mainstream rap along with the vocal styling. You're absolutely right in any case.

Say what you will about ICP. It's not exactly going out on a limb to point out how much they suck from the musical side of things... but they nailed the "schtick" and made a shitload of money for themselves. So... in their case: rap, "metal" and clowns worked very well. I think of them as a twenty year younger version of Kiss that never had the talent to overcome their image and make it out of the minor leagues. Heck... If it wasn't for the internet boom, their retarded little Juggalo army would have never had the stagnant water to grow and they'd still be playing bowling alleys in Toledo. Damn internet...!

1. Insane Clown Posse are not a rap-metal group. They don't play instruments or have a live band. They come out and rap over a tape.
2. They built up a huge fanbase and sold out albums and concerts on their own without any help from the mainstream media. They made money on the basis of their music and lyrics alone. That deserves respect even if you don't actually enjoy their music.
3. ICP has absolutely nothing to do with Kiss. Both work from their own concepts, storylines and mythologies, unrelated to each other.
4. The Internet was not widespread in popularity when ICP started out; they became popular and attracted the interest of juggalos (Juggalos, by the way, existed before the formation of ICP and the invention of the Internet, for that matter. ICP merely gave them a name) just shortly after they started out. What role did the Internet play in expanding ICP's audience?
5. Do you really feel that it is necessary to insult a group of people that you've never met because you don't like a band that they enjoy? That's really mature. Do I need to call your mommy, or will she be picking you up after class? You can't make generalizations like that. There are crazy religious fanatics out there, but I'm not going to paint every religious person as a nutcase.

(I am expecting this to be the last word on ICP considering that this is a topic related to the discussion of heavy metal, a genre of which they are not a part of.)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Wheaty Petestraw on June 04, 2008, 09:41:05 PM
(I am expecting this to be the last word on ICP considering that this is a topic related to the discussion of heavy metal, a genre of which they are not a part of.)

What the fuck is your problem? Not only do you bump a thread in which the last post was over a year ago, but you state that you expect your comments on a gimmicky rap group (in a thread about metal, which you so clearly state) will be the last. Are you really that insecure? You are in dire need of medical evaluation, my friend. Your mental situation may be reversable.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on June 04, 2008, 09:55:38 PM
(I am expecting this to be the last word on ICP considering that this is a topic related to the discussion of heavy metal, a genre of which they are not a part of.)

What the fuck is your problem? Not only do you bump a thread in which the last post was over a year ago, but you state that you expect your comments on a gimmicky rap group (in a thread about metal, which you so clearly state) will be the last. Are you really that insecure? You are in dire need of medical evaluation, my friend. Your mental situation may be reversable.

Hey, pal, the first thing that caught my eye and made me feel like I had to say something was the idea that System of a Down is a "radio metal"/"mallcore" band, meaning that their music is of the intentionally mainstream variety of music within the supposed "nu metal" genre (which doesn't actually exist, in my opinion) when they actually employ experimental influences and feature lyrics that a group that is attempting to appeal to a mainstream mass would never use, and the whole idea of SOAD being in the same categorization as Linkin Park (which is barely hard rock, much less metal) and Limp Bizkit seemed offensive to me.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on June 16, 2008, 09:55:39 PM
(I am expecting this to be the last word on ICP considering that this is a topic related to the discussion of heavy metal, a genre of which they are not a part of.)

What the fuck is your problem? Not only do you bump a thread in which the last post was over a year ago, but you state that you expect your comments on a gimmicky rap group (in a thread about metal, which you so clearly state) will be the last. Are you really that insecure? You are in dire need of medical evaluation, my friend. Your mental situation may be reversable.

Hey, pal, the first thing that caught my eye and made me feel like I had to say something was the idea that System of a Down is a "radio metal"/"mallcore" band, meaning that their music is of the intentionally mainstream variety of music within the supposed "nu metal" genre (which doesn't actually exist, in my opinion) when they actually employ experimental influences and feature lyrics that a group that is attempting to appeal to a mainstream mass would never use, and the whole idea of SOAD being in the same categorization as Linkin Park (which is barely hard rock, much less metal) and Limp Bizkit seemed offensive to me.

System of a Down is lost on me, only because of the lyrics. They are a great group, but they bring themselves down with their political junk. I just hate being constantly beaten over the head with agendas.
They have become pretty popular, even with a small percentage of the mainstream audience. Thus their "mallcore" moniker is relevant.


Seeing someone actually bang their head to Linkin Park (sadly, it's true...) is such a downer.

Limp Bizkit, on the other hand, is more pathetic than Britney Spears in a motor vehicle.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on June 16, 2008, 10:21:42 PM
(I am expecting this to be the last word on ICP considering that this is a topic related to the discussion of heavy metal, a genre of which they are not a part of.)

What the fuck is your problem? Not only do you bump a thread in which the last post was over a year ago, but you state that you expect your comments on a gimmicky rap group (in a thread about metal, which you so clearly state) will be the last. Are you really that insecure? You are in dire need of medical evaluation, my friend. Your mental situation may be reversable.

Hey, pal, the first thing that caught my eye and made me feel like I had to say something was the idea that System of a Down is a "radio metal"/"mallcore" band, meaning that their music is of the intentionally mainstream variety of music within the supposed "nu metal" genre (which doesn't actually exist, in my opinion) when they actually employ experimental influences and feature lyrics that a group that is attempting to appeal to a mainstream mass would never use, and the whole idea of SOAD being in the same categorization as Linkin Park (which is barely hard rock, much less metal) and Limp Bizkit seemed offensive to me.

System of a Down is lost on me, only because of the lyrics. They are a great group, but they bring themselves down with their political junk. I just hate being constantly beaten over the head with agendas.

They are political, but there's a lot of humor in their work - that's where the comparisons to Frank Zappa come in. Politically, SOAD are standing against things like war and genocide. I personally don't see where being against murdering innocent people connects to being 'beaten over the head with an agenda'....

They have become pretty popular, even with a small percentage of the mainstream audience. Thus their "mallcore" moniker is relevant.

But "mallcore" is connected with "pop rock", and it doesn't seem to me that SOAD is a pop-metal band.

Seeing someone actually bang their head to Linkin Park (sadly, it's true...) is such a downer.

Agreed. Linkin Park has got to be the softest band I've ever heard to be dubbed "alternative metal". It's such an absurd and bizarre categorization that makes absolutely no sense when you hear the music, or look at the band name. "Lincoln Park" does not sound metal in any way.

Limp Bizkit, on the other hand, is more pathetic than Britney Spears in a motor vehicle.

Their last album (EP?) is incredibly derivative of Rage Against the Machine, with Fred Durst barking lines that are supposed to sound angry or socially relevant, but at no point sounding sincere or honest, especially considering that one of their biggest hits was "Break Stuff". Yes, we're supposed to believe that these are sincere individuals who actually care about the world around them, even though the most angry they had previously claimed to be was to the point where they wanted to break things. (The music video actually features Durst's buddy Eminem lipsynching part of the song. You get two douchebags for the price of one!) Whereas RATM, System, and Body Count actually have something to say, and are able to create good music to surround the message.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: gorgon1122 on November 26, 2008, 04:21:40 AM
Sorry for bumping a several-months old thread but I do feel like commenting here.

Anyway, anything by tech-y, spastic "-core" bands like Orthrelm (who are especially horrible, I believe they have stuff on youtube so you can see what I mean; they seem to be loved by would-be intellectuals, unsurprisingly, the kind who write self-important theses on the profundity of some blank canvas being exhibited in a post-modern art museum amongst a row of pictures consisting of menstrual blood splotches), Behold the Arctopus, Pillory, Psyopus, Sleep Terror, and so forth, who seem to be some horrific bastardized mishmash of Dillinger Escape Plan, Cryptopsy, and Steve Albini style noise rock with no redeeming qualities whatsoever (well, actually, Arctopus have the decency to throw in some mellower passages which don't sound too bad actually, if only they'd stick to that more and that the other bands would follow suit). There's also always this horribly produced fiddly widdly diddly sound to their music (can't think of any other way to describe it, ha!), like the drums sound like cardboard and the guitars like rubber bands, in an attempt to somehow enhance the horrible-ness of their sound (as in the case of Orthrelm, who you should check out for morbid curiosity's sake).

Also, any song from Job for a Cowboy's 'Doom' EP. "BREEE BREEE BREEE BREEEEE!!!!" Oh my lawd...

If you want specific songs, then look no further than Six Feet Under's "Amerika the Brutal". Hahaha, SFU has been mentioned earlier, but this song by far takes the cake out of everything they've done. Cornball attempt at politically/socially "relevant" lyrics, awful groove riffs, and Chris Barne's hilarious  delivery of the whole thing ("NO WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHRRR!!!")? Look for the video on youtube (too lazy to link to it right now), it's a gem.

(rants unrelated to the topic title to follow right below, as a fair warning):

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One thing that befuddles me is the widespread Grim Reaper hate I see going around, and how "See You in Hell" has somehow become the poster child for bad heavy metal. If Beavis and Butthead hadn't made fun of it, would anyone else do so in such droves nowadays? Come on, it's not that bad a song; it's not quite the crowning achievement of NWOBHM (that would be "Angel Witch") but I personally still find it to be pretty kick ass if you ask me, though I will admit the rest of the album of the same name is pretty boring and forgettable.

Oh, and did someone srsly mention Cirith Ungol in this thread? CIRITH FREAKING UNGOL??? One of the greats of 80s US heavy metal? And the opening track from 'King of the Dead' of all things. Wow, I hate you guys and wish a slow, painful death on you already! Impressive feat, everyone!  :D

I'm really quite surprised that nobody went for an easy target for mockery like Manowar in this thread yet (I like them myself, but it seems that everyone but ardent metalheads like myself hate them because of their image and ethos, which largely seem tongue-in-cheek to me; I mean, the Dictators connection anybody?)

As for death metal, it's too bad people can't seem to get over the vocals (which I never found to be particularly "cookie monster" sounding; speaking of which, I've always wondered, where the hell did that stereotype originate from anyway? well, a funny regardless, just the thoughts of Cookie Monster fronting a metal band...), which actually varies quite a bit from band to band if you listen to enough of them like I do, and believe it or not, sometimes some vocalists can retain enough of a character of their own that I can say that "that must be the vocalist from so-and-so". The vocalists of Morbid Angel, Immolation, and At the Gates (the last one of which I always thought of as an "angry Kermit", haha, but in a good way!) for instance all have very distinct voices that if you listen to them intently enough you could probably very easily identify. And, once you begin to appreciate them enough, you'll find they can add to the music a great deal (the little-known Infester, the vocals, in conjunction with the music on their sole full-length effort are downright terrifying! and Demilich, well, you have to hear them to believe...) Yeah, there are plenty of bad, generic death metal bands out there defined by their equally bad vocal presences (the aforementioned Six Feet Under, Psycroptic...), but the same could be said of any genre of music. You really have to dig hard to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff, but I find it to be very much worth it to hear the truly worthwhile bands!

Perhaps it's needless to say that I would be opening a can of worms with the community here by mentioning black metal... there's a genre that should be hated by most people on here - music consisting mainly of bands who, for the most part take themselves very seriously and is based almost entirely on ideology rooted in satanic and pagan iconography while at the same time presenting highly theatrical imagery that some could say make Manowar look modest (which many have described as KISS coming out of a bondage shop with some medieval weaponry), has what's been considered an "elitist" mindset amongst the bands and especially fans, music that often is rough, crude-sounding, and rough around the edges, usually intentionally (deemed the "gr1m", "kvlt", and "n3cr0" sound by those not so fond of the genre), vocals that often consisting of harsh shrieking, which many find more over the top than death metal vocals, oh, and did I mention the (isolated incidents, mind you) murder and church arson yet (a lot for you to read up on this genre, to those unfamiliar with it)?  But dammit, say what you will, there's some fantastic music to be found here. I love everything from the occult vibes certain bands give off to mystical and epic atmospheres of others, from raw, primitive, straightforward no-holds-barred evil groups like Blasphemy, Darkthrone and early Bathory, to the beautiful and hypnotic nature of Burzum and Summoning, the blizzardy bliss of Immortal, and dense, heavily layered and multifaceted nature of Abigor, it's amazing stuff, and highly convincing too. Granted, the genre's now run amok with clones and worthless myspace bedroom projects, but then again, remember what I said about wheat and chaff...
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 26, 2008, 05:41:10 AM
Sorry for bumping a several-months old thread but I do feel like commenting here.

Also, any song from Job for a Cowboy's 'Doom' EP. "BREEE BREEE BREEE BREEEEE!!!!" Oh my lawd...

If you want specific songs, then look no further than Six Feet Under's "Amerika the Brutal". Hahaha, SFU has been mentioned earlier, but this song by far takes the cake out of everything they've done. Cornball attempt at politically/socially "relevant" lyrics, awful groove riffs, and Chris Barne's hilarious  delivery of the whole thing ("NO WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHRRR!!!")? Look for the video on youtube (too lazy to link to it right now), it's a gem.

(rants unrelated to the topic title to follow right below, as a fair warning):

==================================================================

As for death metal, it's too bad people can't seem to get over the vocals (which I never found to be particularly "cookie monster" sounding; where the hell did that stereotype originate from? well, funny anyway, the thoughts of Cookie Monster fronting a metal band...), which actually varies quite a bit from band to band if you listen to enough of them like I do, and believe it or not, sometimes some vocalists can retain enough of a character of their own that I can say that "that must be the vocalist from so-and-so". The vocalists of Morbid Angel, Immolation, and At the Gates (the last one of which I always thought of as an "angry Kermit", haha, but in a good way!) for instance all have very distinct voices that if you listen to them intently enough you could probably very easily identify. And, once you begin to appreciate them enough, you'll find they can add to the music a great deal (the little-known Infester, the vocals, in conjunction with the music on their sole full-length effort are downright terrifying! and Demilich, well, you have to hear them to believe...) Yeah, there are plenty of bad, generic death metal bands out there defined by their equally bad vocal presences (the aforementioned Six Feet Under, Psycroptic...), but the same could be said of any genre of music. You really have to dig hard to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff, but I find it to be very much worth it to hear the truly worthwhile bands!

Perhaps it's needless to say that I would be opening a can of worms with the community here by mentioning black metal... there's a genre that should be hated by most people on here - music consisting mainly of bands who, for the most part take themselves very seriously and is based almost entirely on ideology rooted in satanic and pagan iconography while at the same time presenting highly theatrical imagery (which many have described as KISS coming out of a bondage shop with some medieval weaponry), has what's been considered an "elitist" mindset amongst the bands and especially fans, music that often is rough, crude-sounding, and rough around the edges, usually intentionally (deemed the "gr1m", "kvlt", and "n3cr0" sound by those not so fond of the genre), vocals that often consisting of harsh shrieking, which many find more over the top than death metal vocals, oh, and did I mention the (isolated incidents, mind you) murder and church arson yet (a lot for you to read up on this genre, to those unfamiliar with it)?  But dammit, say what you will, there's some fantastic music to be found here. I love everything from the occult vibes certain bands give off to mystical and epic atmospheres of others, from raw, primitive, straightforward no-holds-barred evil groups like Blasphemy, Darkthrone and early Bathory, to the beautiful and hypnotic nature of Burzum and Summoning, the blizzardy bliss of Immortal, and dense, heavily layered and multifaceted nature of Abigor, it's amazing stuff, and highly convincing too. Granted, the genre's now run amok with clones and worthless myspace bedroom projects, but then again, remember what I said about wheat and chaff...

Thanks for resurrecting the thread! There's no reason why you can't put in your own two cents in an old thread.

I agree with your assertions. Like Job for a Cowboy, another good band like that is Despised Icon. They don't take themselves seriously, and the whole "REEEEE" sounding vocals are prevalent, and they know it's goofy, that's why they do it! They even made that their quote on MySpace: "REEEEE!!!" haha

And Six Feet Under sucks something fierce. Chris Barnes was a badass back in his Cannibal Corpse days, but he went directly to stupid land when he joined Six Feet Under. I remember the first song I heard of theirs. Called The Enemy Inside. It was the most uninspired and dull death metal song in history. It was mid paced, very elementary, and Chris just droned on... "The enemy... the enemy... the enemy... INSIDE!!" Honestly, it sounded worse than most kid bands playing in their mother's garage.

As for Black Metal, most of it sucks nowadays. There's far too much "we're serious!" crap, and the bands always seem to be having a contest with one another to see who can put more upside down crosses in their logo. It's never about the music anymore. It's about the image. Most of them have sold out anyway. IMHO, the only bands to put out anything truly remarkable in this genre are Abigor and Emperor. Abigor is especially good, if you get past the very high-pitched vocal screams and almost complete lack of any bass frequencies. And the amazing part is, all the music was created by two people: the guitarist Peter Kubik and the drummer Thomas Tannenberger. I am always in awe of the complexity of the guitar riffs, which are hidden beneath the razor-like buzz and shoddy production inherent in most Black Metal. Again, as with the band, if you dig deep beneath the surface, you will find many hidden gems within their music. Some of their best tracks are: Crimson horizons and Ashen skies, Weeping Midwintertears, Scars In The Landscape Of God, Reborn Through The Gates Of Three Moons, The Dark Kiss, Spektrale Schattenlichter, Eclipse my heart Crown me King, Dawn of Human Dust, Utopia Consumed.

EDIT: More good songs from Abigor!!

Forgot these: The Rising of Our Tribe, Celestial.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Cibernético II on November 27, 2008, 08:54:48 PM
I can't stand Avenged Sevenfold. They don't seem like a band at all. They seem like a group of  "rock stars" rather than musicians. They're a group of guys with emo haircuts who are absolutely littered with tattoos who have cut and pasted aspects of different metal genres together. There is just something painfully weird and dissonant about their music. My brain aches as it attempts to make sense of this chaos of familiar but mismatched sounds. They're like some kind of pro-Bush Frankenstein's Monster that parties with frat boys.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: bol316 on December 01, 2008, 08:29:30 AM
Just about any of those Growl bands. They think they sound like they play better the deeper their "singer" growls. Cannibal Corpse etc.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Minnesota on December 04, 2008, 12:42:40 AM
Agree with you bol316, Raaaaaaah Rahhhhhhhh music sucks hard.

Disagree with you Cibernetico, Avenge Sevenfold is awesome.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on December 04, 2008, 10:44:29 AM
I'm fine with Raaaaahhh as long as they do it in time to the music and to something approaching a rhythm and not not randomly belch like a retard in a padded cell. Because I know it's supposed to be brutal and shit, but I can't see it any other way than "This guy's passing a kidney stone," or "He sounds like a grown man with Autism having a complete tantrum." Neither of those things are metal.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Thrashalla on December 16, 2008, 01:10:51 PM
Raaaah Raaah(Death Metal)  = Bad???

...A7X = Good??? Are you kidding me? I really don't get offended by anything, but you have just succeeded in offending me to the point where I feel physically violated. Please don't give me any BS about "taste" either...just, wow.

As for the original topic, as long as we're sticking to realm of actual metal and not confusing angsty radio friendly mallcore, I really can't say. There is plenty of shit metal out there and I really don't think it's worth anyone's time digging through the bilge for the smelliest turd nugget when the weather is beautiful up top and everyone is merrily drunk without you...and honestly, in metal, when a band has a really shitty song: 9 times out of 10 most of their songs are equally horrible. And seriously, the worst of the songs being nominated in this thread aren't even metal (see above for proper classification)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: torgosPizza on December 16, 2008, 01:13:24 PM
Come on man, it's obvious people who sing are way more talented.

/sarcasm
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Thrashalla on December 16, 2008, 01:17:18 PM
Come on man, it's obvious people who sing are way more talented.

/sarcasm

Well, actually, people who can actually carry a tune (real singers, not emo whiny c**ts) usually have quite a bit more musical talent (voice wise) than the growlers. But acknowledging that is way different than writing off an entire genre simply because the vocals grate on you...ignoring completely the intention of the artists in constructing a fitting atmosphere for what they're creating. It's like telling an entire orchestra to f**k off because the cellist pissed on your shoes.

**Realizes he's on Torgo's soapbox, shrugs, and gets comfy
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 16, 2008, 01:31:24 PM
Come on man, it's obvious people who sing are way more talented.

/sarcasm

Well, actually, people who can actually carry a tune (real singers, not emo whiny c**ts) usually have quite a bit more musical talent (voice wise) than the growlers. But acknowledging that is way different than writing off an entire genre simply because the vocals grate on you...ignoring completely the intention of the artists in constructing a fitting atmosphere for what they're creating. It's like telling an entire orchestra to f**k off because the cellist pissed on your shoes.

There's actually a method to the madness. You try growling like they do for more than 5 seconds and see how your throat feels. There are training methods out there to help them growl for long periods of time and not damage their vocal cords. Like this one:  The Zen of Screaming by Melissa Cross (http://www.melissacross.com). And on the more odd side of things, I actually heard of a vocal group in Sweden that does nothing but scream and growl. Crazy, huh?
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Thrashalla on December 16, 2008, 01:37:24 PM
Come on man, it's obvious people who sing are way more talented.

/sarcasm

Well, actually, people who can actually carry a tune (real singers, not emo whiny c**ts) usually have quite a bit more musical talent (voice wise) than the growlers. But acknowledging that is way different than writing off an entire genre simply because the vocals grate on you...ignoring completely the intention of the artists in constructing a fitting atmosphere for what they're creating. It's like telling an entire orchestra to f**k off because the cellist pissed on your shoes.

There's actually a method to the madness. You try growling like they do for more than 5 seconds and see how your throat feels. There are training methods out there to help them growl for long periods of time and not damage their vocal cords. Like this one:  The Zen of Screaming by Melissa Cross (http://www.melissacross.com). And on the more odd side of things, I actually heard of a vocal group in Sweden that does nothing but scream and growl. Crazy, huh?

Oh, I know there's a method to the madness and that there is actual skill involved in growling...I fronted a few death metal bands in my day. However, that skill isn't really comparable to the talent of a trained singer. It's kind of like the difference between playing on a softball tem with your buddies, and playing major league baseball...similar at it's root, but completely different.

Also: that Zen of Screaming DVD might save your vocal chords, but your growl will sound absolutely castrated...I believe that Fear Factory's vocalist adopted that method from Digimortal and onward, and we all know the catastrophe that wrought on his voice. If you're doing death metal vocals and are concerned about your throat...you shouldn't be doing death metal vocals. Period. It goes against the spirit of the music. That might be dangerous advice health wise, but it's honest and the truth.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Doc Steve on December 16, 2008, 06:28:13 PM
Worst Metal Song = King Diamond's "No Presents for Christmas." 

It actually ranks up there with Highlander II as "worst thing ever." 
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on December 17, 2008, 06:32:52 AM
But acknowledging that is way different than writing off an entire genre simply because the vocals grate on you...ignoring completely the intention of the artists in constructing a fitting atmosphere for what they're creating. It's like telling an entire orchestra to f**k off because the cellist pissed on your shoes.

Actually it's more like throwing away a bag of Skittles because you found mouse shit in it, but I appreciate what you're saying. To someone who doesn't like harsh vocals in the first place, the more appropriate analogy would be telling the orchestra to fuck off because the cellist is drowning out the rest with MC Hammer's greatest hits.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Minnesota on December 17, 2008, 07:02:45 AM
I have a question for all the metal heads, what do you guys think of Metalocalypse? I enjoy the stuff that Dethklok plays, but I suppose I'm more laughing at the genera than with it. Either way, thats a kick ass show.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on December 17, 2008, 07:09:16 AM
It's totally brutal. I think it's funny on it's own, and I think it accurately satires the silly things about metal as well.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 17, 2008, 10:34:05 AM
I have a question for all the metal heads, what do you guys think of Metalocalypse? I enjoy the stuff that Dethklok plays, but I suppose I'm more laughing at the genera than with it. Either way, thats a kick ass show.

I love the mockery of it all, the spoofiness of the amount of blood and destruction, and the music is so-so. Some of the songs are great, some of them are a complete bore. Though I do like the characters and voices; my favorite character being Skwisgaar Skwigelf. And I love the band members' parents!
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Thrashalla on December 17, 2008, 10:34:55 AM
But acknowledging that is way different than writing off an entire genre simply because the vocals grate on you...ignoring completely the intention of the artists in constructing a fitting atmosphere for what they're creating. It's like telling an entire orchestra to f**k off because the cellist pissed on your shoes.

Actually it's more like throwing away a bag of Skittles because you found mouse shit in it, but I appreciate what you're saying. To someone who doesn't like harsh vocals in the first place, the more appropriate analogy would be telling the orchestra to fuck off because the cellist is drowning out the rest with MC Hammer's greatest hits.


No. The way I said it stands.

As for Metalocalypse. I'm not a fan...it's alright, but extremely overrated. I watched it until Dane Cook made an appearance, then I wrote it off...wasn't that big of a loss. It definitely satires the sillyness of metal, but I think it does so in a condescending way from the position of someone who used to be into metal. Also, 90% of the show is humor that isn't metal related...and most of that stuff is the random unfunny crap as foun in Smalls' other shows.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Natureboy on December 22, 2008, 04:58:20 AM
Worst Metal Song = King Diamond's "No Presents for Christmas." 

It actually ranks up there with Highlander II as "worst thing ever." 

Yep!  Pretty much.......but don't be too sure, Grim Reaper is still lurking around some discount bins.  There is also any song by a band called Sheer Terror.....enjoy a sample:  "Grrrrrrrrr blllarrrrkkkkk Fuck You......wattttttttrrrrrrk  Shit pants........mwaaaaaaaa!  (Repeat Chorus)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Wiseblood on December 23, 2008, 12:48:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/PZyaJR7d0Bg

"Made of Metal" by Dream Evil.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

On second thought this may actually be the BEST METAL SONG EVER.

Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Invisible NanoGhost on January 07, 2009, 09:48:45 AM
I can't take any band seriously who's singer sounds like Cookie Monster on crystal meth.

Amen, the cookie monster just cracks me up every time. Which is too bad, because bands like Opeth make some incredibly good music and have a singer that can sing for real, so why they have to resort to that silly growling is beyond me.

Yeah, I love some of the music Opeth does, but I just can't take those vocals.  I've had days where my voice sounds like the cookie monster, and when I do it's very painful to talk.  When songs like that come on, I'm too busy thinking how much that must hurt, and can never concentrate enough to figure out what the actual lyrics are.

(yes, I know they say it doesn't hurt to sing like that if you know what you're doing, but I just can't get past the sound)
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: The Lady Rommel on January 23, 2009, 12:29:32 PM
I gotta say my least favorite metal song ever is Lick it Up by Kiss.  Cannot stand it.  I also remember this horrible song by an Asian metal group, can't remember who it was though.

Also, anything by Hinder.  Some people call them metal, I don't.  They are not metal.
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on January 23, 2009, 01:28:05 PM
Also, anything by Hinder.  Some people call them metal, I don't.  They are not metal.

You know, when I looked up that band, I came across little item:

Quote
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/news.php?newsid=6180

THe following was taken from Hinders fan of the week page.

TELL US WHY YOU ARE A HINDER FAN: April this year I was in car accident. The car flipped and landed on its side between a fence and a power pole. I climbed out through the back window that had been smashed out during the accident. I realized that my Hinder album was still in the head unit and the keys were still in. so i climbed back into the car over all the glass and crap just to get out my Hinder album. there was no way in hell I was gonna leave it in there and never get it back. Even though the CD is ruined, i bought another one and still have the one I got out of my car accident

 :rimshot:
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: The Lady Rommel on January 31, 2009, 10:17:18 AM
Also, anything by Hinder.  Some people call them metal, I don't.  They are not metal.

You know, when I looked up that band, I came across little item:

Quote
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/news.php?newsid=6180

THe following was taken from Hinders fan of the week page.

TELL US WHY YOU ARE A HINDER FAN: April this year I was in car accident. The car flipped and landed on its side between a fence and a power pole. I climbed out through the back window that had been smashed out during the accident. I realized that my Hinder album was still in the head unit and the keys were still in. so i climbed back into the car over all the glass and crap just to get out my Hinder album. there was no way in hell I was gonna leave it in there and never get it back. Even though the CD is ruined, i bought another one and still have the one I got out of my car accident

 :rimshot:

That's just sad
Title: Re: Worst Metal Song
Post by: CHF01 on February 23, 2009, 11:58:46 AM
I've been a Judas Priest fan for many years, but their song 'Ram It Down' has got to rank in the top 10 worst metal songs EVER.