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Title: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Kete on October 14, 2014, 08:33:24 AM
If you haven't heard, Robert Downey Jr has signed on for Captain America 3. The current plan is for the story to be about Civil War.

Quote from: comingsoon.net
Breaking: Marking a major twist to the Marvel Cinematic Universe's "Phase Three," Variety is reporting that Robert Downey Jr. is close to joining the cast of Captain America 3 as Tony Stark and that the film will launch elements of the hit comic book crossover event, "Civil War" in the MCU!

The news comes on the heels of an announcement from Marvel this morning that a new "Civil War" comic book is on the way next summer.

Just last week, Downey hinted that something big was on the way, although it was briefly believed that he was referring to a fourth Iron Man film. Now, it seems quite likely that Marvel Studios has even bigger plans for Iron Man!

Anthony and Joe Russo, the sibling director pair behind Captain America: The Winter Soldier, are directing the May 6, 2016 film, which features a screenplay by Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely and, of course, the return of Chris Evans as the star-spangled superhero.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on October 14, 2014, 08:42:37 AM
Does this mean no Iron-Man 4 I wonder? 
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on October 14, 2014, 08:47:34 AM
Does this mean no Iron-Man 4 I wonder?

That's the general consensus right now.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Pak-Man on October 14, 2014, 11:39:41 AM
Ooh. Civil War is one of my favorite Marvel events. Can't wait...
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: goflyblind on October 14, 2014, 11:44:48 AM
Ooh. Civil War is one of my favorite Marvel events. Can't wait...

yeah, i'm quite intrigued, but...

(http://i.imgur.com/TZO4KGj.jpg)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Relaxing Dragon on October 14, 2014, 12:03:25 PM
Badass Digest has a pretty in-depth (and possibly spoiler-ish?) idea as to how they're going to fit that storyline in with the current state of the Marvel movies: http://badassdigest.com/2014/10/13/what-is-civil-war-and-how-could-it-work-in-the-marvel-cinematic-universe/
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on October 14, 2014, 12:19:28 PM
My biggest complaint with Civil War was that I didn't buy Stark's motivation.  It might have been because I associate his personality too much with his personality in the movies.  I think they would drastically have to change him in the movies for us to believe that he would side with the government on anything.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: The Lurker on October 14, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Also, wasn't there the whole selling out his friends thing?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on October 14, 2014, 12:27:30 PM
A good article,  and some intreaging ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if it took a little longer for Civil War to develop in the movies,  though.

I love how they dismiss Daredevil as
"some dumb guy doing parkour in Hell's Kitchen. "
Pretty much my take on him too.

Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Sideswipe on October 14, 2014, 12:50:25 PM
There are literally no secret super heroes in the MCU, unless they change the whole premise the Civil War story makes no sense.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on October 14, 2014, 12:52:56 PM
I would be happy if they dropped the whole registration act thing completely.  I'm sure they can make it about something else.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: The Lurker on October 14, 2014, 12:53:55 PM
A good article,  and some intreaging ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if it took a little longer for Civil War to develop in the movies,  though.

I love how they dismiss Daredevil as
"some dumb guy doing parkour in Hell's Kitchen. "
Pretty much my take on him too.
That's not even the dumbest version.  Apparently in the licensed GB game, his powers are interpreted as being able to see invisible power-ups.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 14, 2014, 05:21:26 PM
Guys, the secret identities was only part of it - They had to register and work for the Government - Essentially become the government's property.

In the comics the character who had the biggest problem with the secret identity was Spider-Man who isn't even currently in the MCU.

Captain America was leading the anti-registration team and he didn't have a secret identitiy then either.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Miku Fan on October 14, 2014, 05:39:21 PM
 :speechless:
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Pak-Man on October 14, 2014, 06:27:17 PM
Yeah, if memory serves, if someone had superpowers, the choices were to join the Avengers/SHIELD, or get locked away as a criminal.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 14, 2014, 06:35:52 PM
Yeah, if memory serves, if someone had superpowers, the choices were to join the Avengers/SHIELD, or get locked away as a criminal.

In the Negative Zone no less.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on October 14, 2014, 06:49:32 PM
Yeah, the forced service part of it really bugged me too. I just didn't buy that anyone would support that. The comics really seemed to focus on the registration and identity portion of the act.

Also, the other day I saw that there were some discussions between Marvel and Sony to allow Spiderman to be in a Marvel movie. Maybe they could put him in this.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 14, 2014, 06:54:36 PM
Yeah, the forced service part of it really bugged me too. I just didn't buy that anyone would support that. The comics really seemed to focus on the registration and identity portion of the act.

After the incident that cause the registration act in the first place?

Also, the other day I saw that there were some discussions between Marvel and Sony to allow Spiderman to be in a Marvel movie. Maybe they could put him in this.

Will the stink be off Spider-Man in time though?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on October 14, 2014, 07:31:45 PM
Yeah, the forced service part of it really bugged me too. I just didn't buy that anyone would support that. The comics really seemed to focus on the registration and identity portion of the act.

After the incident that cause the registration act in the first place?

I can understand the training portion of it if someone chooses to be a hero, but if they don't want to register and just stay at home, throwing them in the negative zone is just stupid.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 14, 2014, 07:42:01 PM
Yeah, the forced service part of it really bugged me too. I just didn't buy that anyone would support that. The comics really seemed to focus on the registration and identity portion of the act.

After the incident that cause the registration act in the first place?

I can understand the training portion of it if someone chooses to be a hero, but if they don't want to register and just stay at home, throwing them in the negative zone is just stupid.

But do you think the Registration Act is implausible if that's how things played out in the real world? There were a few incidents causing the bill to be drawn up (Hulk rampaging and killing a bunch of people being one) and then, while the bill is being debated a well-meaning hero accidentally killed 600 people including children in schools live on TV - You don't think that bill goes through?

Even if it is a little radical, I don't think it's implausible at all.

One of the things that made it a fantastic event (IMO) is how very realistic the idea is, how you can easily see both sides of the argument.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on October 14, 2014, 07:47:08 PM
I do think it is implausible.  I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I do have faith in Marvel that they will be able to make a good movie.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 14, 2014, 07:51:05 PM
I guess we will.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on October 14, 2014, 07:56:21 PM
Side bar.

In Marvel history did The Avengers, etc ever come out and say they supported Mutants (or even Spider-Man) so the public and government should maybe leave them alone?  Kind of a dick move if they didn't.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Johnny Unusual on October 14, 2014, 07:58:10 PM
Yeah, if memory serves, if someone had superpowers, the choices were to join the Avengers/SHIELD, or get locked away as a criminal.

In the Negative Zone no less.

See, they should have sent them to the Friend Zone.  That's just where friends go.  Sadly, no conjugal visits.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 14, 2014, 07:58:29 PM
Side bar.

In Marvel history did The Avengers, etc ever come out and say they supported Mutants (or even Spider-Man) so the public and government should maybe leave them alone?  Kind of a dick move if they didn't.

Probably - Mutants have been members of the Avengers since almost the beginning.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: goflyblind on October 14, 2014, 08:16:12 PM
well, except for the recent avengers vs. x-men storyline.



although: scott is a dick, it's true.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Pak-Man on October 14, 2014, 08:41:21 PM
Yeah, the forced service part of it really bugged me too. I just didn't buy that anyone would support that. The comics really seemed to focus on the registration and identity portion of the act.

After the incident that cause the registration act in the first place?

Oooh that just made me totally realize we need a New Warriors movie before Captain America 3.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 14, 2014, 08:43:49 PM
Yeah, the forced service part of it really bugged me too. I just didn't buy that anyone would support that. The comics really seemed to focus on the registration and identity portion of the act.

After the incident that cause the registration act in the first place?

Oooh that just made me totally realize we need a New Warriors movie before Captain America 3.

I'd like it, but it'll never happen.

THOUGH, I wouldn't rule out the idea of a short New Mutants TV series.

More likely the TV shows will be used to introduce more characters and set up some anti-hero sentiment.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Rainbow Dash on October 16, 2014, 05:51:13 AM
Might be a way to get RDJ out of the series.  Guy makes way too much money on these films, and Civil War could go the "He's not a lovable asshole, he's a despicable piece of shit" route.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 16, 2014, 04:45:14 PM
Might be a way to get RDJ out of the series.  Guy makes way too much money on these films, and Civil War could go the "He's not a lovable asshole, he's a despicable piece of shit" route.

I guess? It seems much more likely they'll recast the character rather than get rid of him.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on October 16, 2014, 05:34:01 PM
I think the ways these movies are going, the only way for them to truly deal with him not wanting to do them anymore, or asking for too much money, is they would kill off Tony Stark. You can recast Rhodey, they aren't going to recast the flagship character in this series.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 16, 2014, 05:47:54 PM
I think the ways these movies are going, the only way for them to truly deal with him not wanting to do them anymore, or asking for too much money, is they would kill off Tony Stark. You can recast Rhodey, they aren't going to recast the flagship character in this series.

Bruce Banner was recast.

They'll recast. RDJ is already saying they will.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on October 16, 2014, 06:15:20 PM
I think the ways these movies are going, the only way for them to truly deal with him not wanting to do them anymore, or asking for too much money, is they would kill off Tony Stark. You can recast Rhodey, they aren't going to recast the flagship character in this series.

Bruce Banner was recast.
Good point.

It'd be a shame if they did have to. Robert Downey Jr. is 49. He could play this character for a decade more. I know he's very expensive. And he certainly earns his paycheck with how well he does in these movies. But he's not hurting for cash, either.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 16, 2014, 06:16:51 PM
This is why I find it odd about some of the casting rumours going around about Dr Strange at the moment. I feel like Marvel should be casting younger, knowing they have such long term plans.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 16, 2014, 06:24:32 PM
For example, probably a contriversial choice, but I'd cast Mackenzie Davis as Carol Danvers.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on October 16, 2014, 07:13:41 PM
This is why I find it odd about some of the casting rumours going around about Dr Strange at the moment. I feel like Marvel should be casting younger, knowing they have such long term plans.

Yeah but look at the nerdrage over the age of the Fantastic Four cast.

I think Strange should probably be in his 30-40s
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 16, 2014, 07:15:35 PM
This is why I find it odd about some of the casting rumours going around about Dr Strange at the moment. I feel like Marvel should be casting younger, knowing they have such long term plans.

Yeah but look at the nerdrage over the age of the Fantastic Four cast.

I think Strange should probably be in his 30-40s

Protip if you want to make something good: Don't listen to nerds.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: RoninFox on October 17, 2014, 04:24:12 AM
This is why I find it odd about some of the casting rumours going around about Dr Strange at the moment. I feel like Marvel should be casting younger, knowing they have such long term plans.

Yeah but look at the nerdrage over the age of the Fantastic Four cast.

I think Strange should probably be in his 30-40s

Protip if you want to make something good: Don't listen to nerds.

Also, I feel like there'd be nerdrage with any decision about Fantastic Four because it was going to 1) Be a reboot and 2) Still not be under the Marvel Studios umbrella.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on October 17, 2014, 04:28:27 AM
This is why I find it odd about some of the casting rumours going around about Dr Strange at the moment. I feel like Marvel should be casting younger, knowing they have such long term plans.

Yeah but look at the nerdrage over the age of the Fantastic Four cast.

I think Strange should probably be in his 30-40s

Protip if you want to make something good: Don't listen to nerds.

Also, I feel like there'd be nerdrage with any decision about Fantastic Four because it was going to 1) Be a reboot and 2) Still not be under the Marvel Studios umbrella.

I fail to see how ignoring those first two movies would be a bad thing.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: RoninFox on October 17, 2014, 04:29:12 AM
This is why I find it odd about some of the casting rumours going around about Dr Strange at the moment. I feel like Marvel should be casting younger, knowing they have such long term plans.

Yeah but look at the nerdrage over the age of the Fantastic Four cast.

I think Strange should probably be in his 30-40s

Protip if you want to make something good: Don't listen to nerds.

Also, I feel like there'd be nerdrage with any decision about Fantastic Four because it was going to 1) Be a reboot and 2) Still not be under the Marvel Studios umbrella.

I fail to see how ignoring those first two movies would be a bad thing.

I'm not saying it is, I'm saying that reboots are a popular thing for nerds to complain about.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on October 17, 2014, 04:30:31 AM
This is why I find it odd about some of the casting rumours going around about Dr Strange at the moment. I feel like Marvel should be casting younger, knowing they have such long term plans.

Yeah but look at the nerdrage over the age of the Fantastic Four cast.

I think Strange should probably be in his 30-40s

Protip if you want to make something good: Don't listen to nerds.

Also, I feel like there'd be nerdrage with any decision about Fantastic Four because it was going to 1) Be a reboot and 2) Still not be under the Marvel Studios umbrella.

I fail to see how ignoring those first two movies would be a bad thing.

I'm not saying it is, I'm saying that reboots are a popular thing for nerds to complain about.

Oh, yeah.  Idiots you mean? righto.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on October 17, 2014, 07:30:08 AM
The casting in Superman Returns was similarly young and stupid. I really like all those actors in the new FF, but I think the casting is a big mistake.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Soguru on October 21, 2014, 02:26:31 AM
I'm not too familiar with the Civil War story line. But it'll be nice to finally have at least one other Avenger along for the ride. Not having another seems like one gigantic tease. Since this is the third, shouldn't technically one other Avenger be there too?(Unless of course we're counting Falcon).
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 21, 2014, 03:08:06 AM
I'm not too familiar with the Civil War story line. But it'll be nice to finally have at least one other Avenger along for the ride. Not having another seems like one gigantic tease. Since this is the third, shouldn't technically one other Avenger be there too?(Unless of course we're counting Falcon).

I don't know if Falcon ever was an official avenger, but Black Widow was in Iron Man 2 and Cap 2...
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on October 21, 2014, 09:42:47 AM
I'm not too familiar with the Civil War story line. But it'll be nice to finally have at least one other Avenger along for the ride. Not having another seems like one gigantic tease. Since this is the third, shouldn't technically one other Avenger be there too?(Unless of course we're counting Falcon).

I don't know if Falcon ever was an official avenger, but Black Widow was in Iron Man 2 and Cap 2...

Falcon and Bucky have both been Avengers, so there were 4 Avengers in Cap 2.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Soguru on October 21, 2014, 08:56:23 PM
I'm not too familiar with the Civil War story line. But it'll be nice to finally have at least one other Avenger along for the ride. Not having another seems like one gigantic tease. Since this is the third, shouldn't technically one other Avenger be there too?(Unless of course we're counting Falcon).
I don't know if Falcon ever was an official avenger, but Black Widow was in Iron Man 2 and Cap 2...
Falcon and Bucky have both been Avengers, so there were 4 Avengers in Cap 2.
okay, okay, I get it already. I think what I was trying to say is that you've got three heli-carriers poised to murder the majority of people around the world... call up the Avengers most capable of doing something about it like Iron Man, Thor, or Hulk.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 21, 2014, 08:58:09 PM
I'm not too familiar with the Civil War story line. But it'll be nice to finally have at least one other Avenger along for the ride. Not having another seems like one gigantic tease. Since this is the third, shouldn't technically one other Avenger be there too?(Unless of course we're counting Falcon).
I don't know if Falcon ever was an official avenger, but Black Widow was in Iron Man 2 and Cap 2...
Falcon and Bucky have both been Avengers, so there were 4 Avengers in Cap 2.
okay, okay, I get it already. I think what I was trying to say is that you've got three heli-carriers poised to murder the majority of people around the world... call up the Avengers most capable of doing something about it like Iron Man, Thor, or Hulk.

Well in that movie more than any of the others, it made sense not to be calling in people, because they couldn't trust anyone.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on October 21, 2014, 09:07:30 PM
They'd be able to trust Tony Stark and Bruce Banner. As for Thor, he's in Asgard at the time. Not exactly at their beck and call.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 21, 2014, 09:09:47 PM
They'd be able to trust Tony Stark and Bruce Banner.

Why do you say that? He's just found out that the entire organization he and they work for is HYDRA?

He doesn't even trust Black Widow at first, remember?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on December 01, 2014, 03:00:44 PM
Great Cracked article that talks about many of the issues that I had with the original Civil War (and how the movie might fix them).

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-new-captain-america-movie-will-fix-original/
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 01, 2014, 03:39:06 PM
Great Cracked article that talks about many of the issues that I had with the original Civil War (and how the movie might fix them).

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-new-captain-america-movie-will-fix-original/

That article is so dumb that it can't even count to six.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on December 01, 2014, 03:41:25 PM
Great Cracked article that talks about many of the issues that I had with the original Civil War (and how the movie might fix them).

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-new-captain-america-movie-will-fix-original/

That article is so dumb that it can't even count to six.

Haha.  Good point :)

I do agree with many of the points, though, and I like the optimism for the movie.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 01, 2014, 03:45:24 PM
I am one of the rare people that really enjoyed Civil War. My wife and I were just getting back into super hero comics when it happened, and picked up some of the trades while we were at a comic convention in Sydney. We kept going back and buying more of them and reading them in our hotel room.

But, I agree the movie and the comics will be different, and I am sure the movie will be better.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on December 01, 2014, 03:52:02 PM
It's cool if you like the comic.  I really wanted to like it, but just had a few hangups.  That's my problem.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on May 05, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
Martin Freeman has joined the cast.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/437233-martin-freeman-joins-marvels-captain-america-civil-war#/slide/1
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Rainbow Dash on May 05, 2015, 03:30:36 PM
Great Cracked article that talks about many of the issues that I had with the original Civil War (and how the movie might fix them).

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-new-captain-america-movie-will-fix-original/

Really the only thing they need to change is to not let the villain get away and to kill him at the end.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on May 05, 2015, 03:36:18 PM
Great Cracked article that talks about many of the issues that I had with the original Civil War (and how the movie might fix them).

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-new-captain-america-movie-will-fix-original/

Really the only thing they need to change is to not let the villain get away and to kill him at the end.

Tony?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Sideswipe on May 05, 2015, 03:52:29 PM
Steve.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Rainbow Dash on May 05, 2015, 03:57:28 PM
Steve.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2635/3730905591_06e4035dbe_o.gif)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 06, 2015, 07:43:18 PM
Do we think there's any chance that the Marvel show John Ridley is working on is the New Warriors?

To lead into Civil War?

Would be a really good way to introduce the characters, then set up the movie, but then can be cut down to a news story for the movie, saving a lot of real estate for an already packed film?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Pak-Man on May 07, 2015, 07:28:53 AM
That would rock! And it would bring me one step closer to my lonely fanboy never-gonna-happen dream of seeing Slapstick on the big screen.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 07, 2015, 04:44:28 PM
It would make a whole lot of sense (to me at least).

It'd have to be a mini-series, like Agent Carter, I think.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 07, 2015, 07:23:37 PM
Hrmm, well, there goes that:

"After another international incident involving the Avengers results in collateral damage, political pressure mounts to install a system of accountability and a governing body to determine when to enlist the services of the team."
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 07, 2015, 09:49:44 PM
Ooooh... I wonder if Ant Man takes the place as the fuck-uper? The cause of Civil War?

It doesn't seem like they are building him up to be around for a long time, and it would take the place of his character-defining fuck-up of creating Ultron? (Different Ant Man, I know, but all the same...)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Sideswipe on May 08, 2015, 09:00:28 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/martin-freeman-joins-captain-america-civil-war-118225994212.html
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Rainbow Dash on May 14, 2015, 06:34:14 PM
So nearly everyone is in this movie....

Chris Evans - Captain America
Robert Downey Jr - Iron Man
Scarlett Johansson - Black Widow
Sebastian Stan - Winter Soldier
Anthony Mackie - Falcon
Paul Bettany - The Vision
Jeremy Renner - Hawkeye
Don Cheadle - War Machine
Elizabeth Olsen - Scarlet Witch
Paul Rudd - Ant-Man
Chadwick Boseman - Black Panther
Emily VanCamp - Sharon Carter
Daniel Brühl - Baron Zemo
Frank Grillo - Crossbones
William Hurt - General Thaddeus “Thunderbolt” Ross
Martin Freeman - Son of Thanos


And there have been a lot of rumors that Ruffalo will be in the film as well, and Hurt returning would reenforce that.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on May 14, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Didn't Ultron kill
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Sideswipe on May 14, 2015, 06:39:57 PM
Not that I recall. 
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 14, 2015, 06:40:23 PM
Didn't Ultron kill
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

He wasn't in AoU was he?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 14, 2015, 06:41:44 PM
Also, I hadn't seen Freeman's role confirmed yet?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on May 14, 2015, 06:44:57 PM
Didn't Ultron kill
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

He wasn't in AoU was he?
Zemo was the guy with the monocle, right? Isn't that
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Sideswipe on May 14, 2015, 06:45:50 PM
I thought that was Strucker?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 14, 2015, 06:46:08 PM
I thought that was Strucker?

Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on May 14, 2015, 06:46:54 PM
You could be right, I don't remember that bit very well.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 14, 2015, 06:47:35 PM
Baron Zemo is a character who - no shit - has a pink hood glued to his head that cannot be removed.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: goflyblind on May 14, 2015, 06:48:08 PM
all nazis look alike anyway.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on May 14, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
Baron Zemo is a character who - no shit - has a pink hood glued to his head that cannot be removed.

Oh yeah, the Cobra Commander/Shocker looking guy.  Never been a big Cap guy
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 14, 2015, 06:58:12 PM
Baron Zemo is a character who - no shit - has a pink hood glued to his head that cannot be removed.

Oh yeah, the Cobra Commander/Shocker looking guy.  Never been a big Cap guy

Yeah, me too. I've not read much of him, but he is in the Brubaker run on Captain America which is amazing.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Sideswipe on May 14, 2015, 07:02:40 PM
Cap is a badass.  They do him pretty good justice in the MCU.  Although I found that "language" running gag a bit strange.  I know he said it just slipped out but still, Cap is a guy who has killed dozens of guys, it seems like shit shouldnt phase him.  Maybe if Tony started to say fuck and it cut away it might have made better sense.  I dont know.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on May 14, 2015, 07:04:38 PM
Baron Zemo is a character who - no shit - has a pink hood glued to his head that cannot be removed.

Oh yeah, the Cobra Commander/Shocker looking guy.  Never been a big Cap guy

Yeah, me too. I've not read much of him, but he is in the Brubaker run on Captain America which is amazing.

I read a bit in the mid-late 80s and again in the 2002(?) re-launch
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: RoninFox on May 15, 2015, 04:28:34 AM
Cap is a badass.  They do him pretty good justice in the MCU.  Although I found that "language" running gag a bit strange.  I know he said it just slipped out but still, Cap is a guy who has killed dozens of guys, it seems like shit shouldnt phase him.  Maybe if Tony started to say fuck and it cut away it might have made better sense.  I dont know.

My Grandparents on my Dad's side were both WWII vets, and I know my Grandpa saw some serious action. Doesn't mean he ever liked cursing.

To me Cap in the movies has always come off as a badass when he has to be, but someone who still wants those old fashioned family values. The "language" line came from the same place as the "There's only one God, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that" line from the first Avengers.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on May 15, 2015, 05:35:09 AM
Cap is a badass.  They do him pretty good justice in the MCU.  Although I found that "language" running gag a bit strange.  I know he said it just slipped out but still, Cap is a guy who has killed dozens of guys, it seems like shit shouldnt phase him.  Maybe if Tony started to say fuck and it cut away it might have made better sense.  I dont know.

My Grandparents on my Dad's side were both WWII vets, and I know my Grandpa saw some serious action. Doesn't mean he ever liked cursing.

To me Cap in the movies has always come off as a badass when he has to be, but someone who still wants those old fashioned family values. The "language" line came from the same place as the "There's only one God, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that" line from the first Avengers.

Yeah, he's an old timey dude.  I don't think Evans gets the credit for the sheer awesomeness involved in making people outside America not actively cheer against someone named Captain America ...although having him fighting Nazis helps.


Does Marvel have a Vertigo that's explored a 'bring back segregation and why are women having opinions' version of Cap? 
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Sideswipe on May 16, 2015, 12:19:58 PM
Crossbones lookin badass!

(https://s3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/mqWygPmnltMBYZEwm.0GKg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTtzbT0x/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/comicvine.cbs.com/6f5da4604f5601173b47219d8d543a74)


https://games.yahoo.com/news/photos-reveal-crossbones-look-captain-185700515.html
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on May 16, 2015, 04:11:56 PM

To me Cap in the movies has always come off as a badass when he has to be, but someone who still wants those old fashioned family values. The "language" line came from the same place as the "There's only one God, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that" line from the first Avengers.
I liked the "language" running gag. Not only was it funny, but it was something that showed the interaction of the characters. And the fact that Cap's boyscout nature isn't treated like a negative thing, everybody was just giving him some good natured ribbing.
But thinking back on it I wonder, when was it ever okay to scold other ADULTS for foul language? The way Cap says it, that's what an adult back in the 40s would say to a child.


And Sides, you are right, that is a pretty cool looking Crossbones.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on June 04, 2015, 02:10:12 PM
http://comicsalliance.com/samuel-l-jackson-captain-america-civil-war/

Huh?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Sideswipe on June 04, 2015, 02:39:13 PM
There is probably no role for him in the story.  He was barely relevant in Ultron.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: soguru on June 04, 2015, 03:03:04 PM
I read the Civil War graphic novel, and all I can say is that I hope that the ending isn't the same.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Compound on August 28, 2015, 12:11:15 AM
I read the Civil War graphic novel, and all I can say is that I hope that the ending isn't the same.

You didn't like the heroes of 9/11 beating Cap down?

(http://www.talesfrompartsunknown.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/civil-war-7.jpg)

Geez that mini series sucked. But onto the movie with the same subtitle. Some new images, courtesy of Hawkeye.

(http://3ebd2a0c0ea48a333aea-1f531def8e8befb67be56667ce3edd11.r77.cf1.rackcdn.com/f9f2975d0194a1c495245ab8845cc19f4d14c6d3.jpg__620x402_q85_crop_upscale.jpg)(http://3ebd2a0c0ea48a333aea-1f531def8e8befb67be56667ce3edd11.r77.cf1.rackcdn.com/502c24159975087772b120c8440d48d31e7430cd.jpg__620x402_q85_crop_upscale.jpg)

A couple of those raise some eyebrows as to whose side they're on, and I think that may be the first shot of T'Challa we've seen as well.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on August 28, 2015, 12:15:38 AM
 Black widow will be a double agent.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on August 28, 2015, 01:09:40 AM
Black widow will be a double agent.

Doesn't sound like her
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on August 28, 2015, 05:53:37 AM
No Spider-Man, oddly enough. Glad to see no Scarlett Witch or Ant Man, though. I know they're in the movie and all, but they annoyed the shit out of me.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: goflyblind on August 28, 2015, 05:57:21 AM
No Spider-Man, oddly enough. Glad to see no Scarlett Witch or Ant Man, though. I know they're in the movie and all, but they annoyed the shit out of me.

ant man's on hawkeye's shoulder, black widow is to iron man's right (and, no, i don't know what those weird baton thingies are).

edit:

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--qhL0MTml--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1404136616130466223.jpg)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: soguru on August 28, 2015, 04:59:56 PM
You didn't like the heroes of 9/11 beating Cap down?
I thought it was a very anti-climactic, very disappointing ending. It just seemed like kind of a cap out to me... cop out. Sorry.

That being said, since the Russo's are doing this, I am very excited for this movie.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: BathTub on November 24, 2015, 10:00:49 PM
Trailer Up

https://www.youtube.com/v/uVdV-lxRPFo

It's easy to forget that the CA films are lot more somber than the Avengers films.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 24, 2015, 10:03:42 PM
I might have to break my not-watching-trailers-of-films-I-am-already-interested-in rule for this one.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Johnny Unusual on November 24, 2015, 10:31:52 PM
OK, that
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looks pretty bad-ass.  Looking forward to this one quite a bit.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: soguru on November 24, 2015, 10:36:42 PM
I was screaming like a fan girl. Holy shit that looks fucking epic as hell!!!!!!!!! WOOOO!!!! I've never been so excited for a Civil War.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on November 25, 2015, 12:04:42 AM
Hey, is William Hurt playing Thunderbolt again?!
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 25, 2015, 12:36:03 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: soguru on November 25, 2015, 12:57:05 AM
Is Spider-man still going to be in the movie? Also, how about Ant-Man? I saw the Lineup and I'm guessing if you look hard enough you can see him somewhere. That whole shot of them running in a line... so goddamn epic! Reminds me of the X-men Cartoon opening where the X-men and brotherhood of mutants are running at each other... but this is like a thousand times cooler.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: k1 on November 25, 2015, 03:49:41 AM
The silver trim on Black Panther's mask looked a little odd to me. Other than that it looks sweet
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on November 25, 2015, 05:47:58 AM
Glad to see Falcon getting a respectable role again, after that embarrassing loss to an expendable amateur in Ant Man.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: anais.butterfly on November 25, 2015, 07:37:46 AM
Splooge. That is all.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Johnny Unusual on November 25, 2015, 07:46:26 AM
Seconded.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: anais.butterfly on November 25, 2015, 08:12:01 AM
Seconded. And whatever my version of Splooge is....which I guess is just splooge but with semen.


tehe
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Quantum Vagina on November 25, 2015, 09:03:04 AM
I've always heard it as sploosh for women and splooge for men.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Quirk on November 25, 2015, 09:27:55 AM
Have all these characters already been introduced? I see a lot of new faces.. er, masks. If they're all new, I could see introducing them all bogging down the movie. Also, no, I haven't seen the last few Marvel movies.

Trailer looks pretty cool, but I thought that last bit was choreographed to the point of absurdity.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on November 25, 2015, 09:47:49 AM
Is it too much to hope for Hulk to grab General Ross's head in one hand and pop his skull like a zit?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: goflyblind on November 25, 2015, 09:51:25 AM
Have all these characters already been introduced? I see a lot of new faces.. er, masks. If they're all new, I could see introducing them all bogging down the movie. Also, no, I haven't seen the last few Marvel movies.

i'd have to watch the trailer a few more times, but the only un-introduced one i picked out was black panther.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: BathTub on November 25, 2015, 09:52:28 AM
Have all these characters already been introduced? I see a lot of new faces.. er, masks. If they're all new, I could see introducing them all bogging down the movie. Also, no, I haven't seen the last few Marvel movies.

i'd have to watch the trailer a few more times, but the only un-introduced one i picked out was black panther.

Yep, at least from what they've revealed from the trailer so far.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: BiteMe316 on November 25, 2015, 09:58:08 AM
I watched the trailer.  Couldn't really name any of the characters (other than Captain and Iron Man) to save my life (which is because I don't really watch any of those DC or Marvel movies).  It was mostly "meh" for me.  Just didn't see what the big deal was that everyone was talking about.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on November 25, 2015, 10:00:12 AM
I am surprised it didn't have Spider-man in it at all.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: anais.butterfly on November 25, 2015, 10:15:33 AM
I've always heard it as sploosh for women and splooge for men.

This may be true. I was directly quoting Archer.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ManUnderMask on November 25, 2015, 10:28:39 AM
Why isn't it May yet?!
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: soguru on November 25, 2015, 11:28:33 AM
They're saving Spider-man for much later... like he's going to be the Luke Skywalker of this film, only a lot younger.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ManUnderMask on November 25, 2015, 12:18:54 PM
They're saving Spider-man for much later... like he's going to be the Luke Skywalker of this film, only a lot younger.

They're saving him because he's a one scene cameo. Hopefully Marvel has learned not to spoil those, unlike you know who in Ant-Man.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 25, 2015, 12:37:19 PM
I personally hated the civil war storyline.
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Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: anais.butterfly on November 25, 2015, 01:13:51 PM
I personally hated the civil war storyline...

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Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: soguru on November 25, 2015, 01:34:46 PM
I personally hated the civil war storyline...
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I don't think we read the same story, because in the Civil War graphic novel I read... that did not happen.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 25, 2015, 01:36:29 PM
Nice work, Parker. I edited your comment to hide the potential spoiler.

Anyway, the trailer as well as the differences between the comics and the books make it really obvious the are very different, so I wouldn't take it as a given.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 25, 2015, 01:39:11 PM
Straight up removed golfy's comment.

Are we that inconsiderate in this forum? Posting the ending to a movie half a year before it comes out?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: anais.butterfly on November 25, 2015, 01:53:40 PM
Sorry, I guess I should have spoilered it. I was just really sad. :( I hope that is var var wrong.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 25, 2015, 02:05:08 PM
You don't have to be sorry! You are the spoiled, not the spoilee!
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 25, 2015, 02:20:31 PM
Sorry, I should have said "Spoiler" and then hit return several times.  I made the incorrect assumption other Marvel geeks would know. 
As for the ending Anais, as I said, I hope the movie is much different.
For future reference, how do I make something hidden behind a spoiler tag?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 25, 2015, 02:28:40 PM
If you hit the nuclear button above the text box it'll make the tags for you, or type [ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ] without the spaces.

The Marvel movies wouldn't be successful if only people who read the comics were watching the movies.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 25, 2015, 02:40:03 PM
Alright, thank you, again I apologize for letting that slip.  Serious spoiler alert for comic version:

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Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: goflyblind on November 25, 2015, 02:46:32 PM
Straight up removed golfy's comment.

Are we that inconsiderate in this forum? Posting the ending to a movie half a year before it comes out?

the storyline to a decade-old comic book? ???

edit: also, that trailer is very, very, very different from what happens in the books, so... not the same storyline.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: BathTub on November 25, 2015, 03:11:00 PM
Well Chris Evans was recently discussing
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Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 25, 2015, 03:18:01 PM
Well Chris Evans was recently discussing
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Yeah, but Bath!  He was
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Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: soguru on November 25, 2015, 03:33:25 PM
Alright, thank you, again I apologize for letting that slip.  Serious spoiler alert for comic version:

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In the Civil war graphic novel I read...
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I am hoping in the Civil War movie... there's a scene where Antman orders the Ants to sting General Ross on the ass and Ironman quips "What bug crawled up his ass?"
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Pak-Man on November 25, 2015, 03:53:56 PM
Alright, thank you, again I apologize for letting that slip.  Serious spoiler alert for comic version:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In the Civil war graphic novel I read...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I am hoping in the Civil War movie... there's a scene where Antman orders the Ants to sting General Ross on the ass and Ironman quips "What bug crawled up his ass?"

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 25, 2015, 04:01:32 PM
Straight up removed golfy's comment.

Are we that inconsiderate in this forum? Posting the ending to a movie half a year before it comes out?

the storyline to a decade-old comic book? ???

edit: also, that trailer is very, very, very different from what happens in the books, so... not the same storyline.

Do you know how many people buy an issue of Captain America vs how many people see a Captain America movie? Let's put it this way - If movies based on comic books did the numbers comics did, we wouldn't be getting movies based on comic books.

Do you know what percentage of the population knows what happened int he end of ANY given graphic novel?

Did you not just see that it genuinely surprised and spoiled the ending for one person before I had the chance to clean up?

If the effort of clicking the spoiler tag is too much for you, just avoid taking the effort to post comments with spoilers at all, I guess?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 25, 2015, 04:05:00 PM
Alright, thank you, again I apologize for letting that slip.  Serious spoiler alert for comic version:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In the Civil war graphic novel I read...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I am hoping in the Civil War movie... there's a scene where Antman orders the Ants to sting General Ross on the ass and Ironman quips "What bug crawled up his ass?"

You've even spoiled the ending for someone who DID read the comics.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: soguru on November 25, 2015, 04:06:03 PM
I don't think anyone wants to do a straight graphic novel to movie translation. I mean obviously you want to keep people guessing and you want the potential climax to still be thrilling and exciting.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 25, 2015, 04:09:22 PM
I don't think anyone wants to do a straight graphic novel to movie translation. I mean obviously you want to keep people guessing and you want the potential climax to still be thrilling and exciting.

That's the point though - the only people who know the ending are the people who are already invested/already were going to see the movie.

MOST of the audience won't know.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Compound on November 25, 2015, 04:16:25 PM
I personally hated the civil war storyline...

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Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: soguru on November 25, 2015, 10:47:46 PM
Here's what I think MIGHT happen...
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Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Quantum Vagina on November 26, 2015, 04:14:55 AM
Well, the 3rd part of a trilogy is the rebuilding phase. I expect to see some rebuilding and the heroes coming into their own this film. I think I'll enjoy it, even if it ends up poorly, but it's pretty damn hard to fuck up Cap... besides, I can always just stare at Chris Evans.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on November 26, 2015, 04:57:28 AM
Seems like Civil War is just a title, they're clearly not following the registration storyline that closely and it's mostly about Cap and Bucky
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Quantum Vagina on November 26, 2015, 05:05:07 AM
Seems like Civil War is just a title, they're clearly not following the registration storyline that closely and it's mostly about Cap and Bucky

This one's for the fanfix writers, that's for sure. Maybe they'll throw in a lot of homoerotic subtext between Cap and Bucky. "STEVE DID YOU BRING YOUR SHIELD?" "Don't worry, Bucky; I always have... protection." *eyebrow wiggle*
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: soguru on November 27, 2015, 09:32:41 PM
If the movie were made by lesser men, it might have a horrible tagline, something along the lines of "Whoever wins... we lose".
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on November 28, 2015, 12:48:38 AM
The Russon Brothers and Marvel Studios have earned my trust
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: soguru on November 28, 2015, 08:12:54 PM
Every time I hear a criticism about Age of Ultron or something... I just think back to when I was younger reading Avengers and Iron man comics and I think about how lucky we are. Let's not be coy here, the Iron Man movie, Avengers movie, First avenger, Guardians, Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron? We are SO lucky that those movies turned out as great as they did. Okay, say what you want about Age of Ultron, but I still think Joss Whedon did the best he could, especially when he's having to set up future Marvel movie events, split the screen time between all these great actors portraying such cool comic book characters, and making it all very fun, exciting and emotionally gripping at the same time.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on November 29, 2015, 12:43:20 AM
It's like the Star Wars sequels (and the prequels) you have a group of people with a tendency to be obsessive and pedantic waiting for decades for something so anything that pretty much doesn't match each and every person's specific personal ideal is a failure, people need to learn to take things on face value and for what they are.   

Take Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy which I adore, the TV mini-series and film were far from perfect but I watch them in a vacuum (not an actual one, I would suffocate almost instantly) on their own merits instead of in the context of the books. 
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Pak-Man on November 29, 2015, 01:26:57 AM
Hitchhiker's is an interesting example. With the film, there was this part of my brain screaming, "You should be disappointed in this!" but when I left the theater, and every time I've watched it since, it's just left me feeling so darned good. There's something very life-affirming at the heart of it all. I don't watch it thinking, "This is the greatest movie ever!" It's probably about an 8 out of 10, but I can't escape the feeling of contentment I get when I watch it.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on November 29, 2015, 03:34:03 AM
Hitchhiker's is an interesting example. With the film, there was this part of my brain screaming, "You should be disappointed in this!" but when I left the theater, and every time I've watched it since, it's just left me feeling so darned good. There's something very life-affirming at the heart of it all. I don't watch it thinking, "This is the greatest movie ever!" It's probably about an 8 out of 10, but I can't escape the feeling of contentment I get when I watch it.

I feel it mostly captures the spirit, I'd much rather someone running with the idea and making it their own instead of slavishly sticking to something that I can't imagine translating to a film for the sake of 'authenticity'
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 29, 2015, 04:50:55 AM
I haven't seen it since the cinema, but I really didn't enjoy it. Perhaps is should revisit it.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on November 29, 2015, 11:33:27 AM
I've never ready any of the books, or seen the earlier adaptation of it. But even I was a bit underwhelmed with the movie. It felt like they spent more time with the visuals than the humor. I was funny at times, and I really liked Mos Def in it. But there were some times when it seemed like the movie stopped being funny to show us the splendor of the effects (the rebuilding of Earth in particular).
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: RoninFox on November 29, 2015, 03:42:02 PM
I'd call the Hitchhikers movie my third favorite version of the story, ranking below the book series at number 1 and the BBC Radio Series as number 2. Can't say I've disliked any version of it to date (though I never got far on the old text adventure computer game, so I can't say for sure.)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: jonalame on November 29, 2015, 03:46:50 PM
I love all the incarnations of Hitchhiker's Guide. I was going to rant on this, but I'm being told I've already done that years ago.

As far as Civil War goes, I'm finding my real world politics and my comic book politics don't jive. I'll leave it at that, because politics.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on February 07, 2016, 06:15:32 PM
https://youtu.be/HWXxPvBk6oo

OooooOoOoooOooooOOoh, still no sign of Spidey though
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: BathTub on March 10, 2016, 11:49:41 AM
Wow no discussion on the new trailer?

https://www.youtube.com/v/U2P4DkHxXNQ
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ManUnderMask on March 10, 2016, 12:23:33 PM
That tears it, I'm going into hibernation until May.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on March 10, 2016, 04:30:28 PM
My only problem with this movie is the presence of General Ross. Doesn't the fact that an evil war monger who was the villain in one of the previous MCU movies being on one side kind of tip the balance of who might be right and who might be wrong? If he wasn't there I could see this as more of a shades of grey type thing. But nope.
I'm sure the movie will still be great. But every time I see Ross in the trailers I keep asking myself "why didn't Hulk crush his head like a goddamn grape at the end of the 2008 movie?"
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 10, 2016, 04:55:10 PM
My only problem with this movie is the presence of General Ross. Doesn't the fact that an evil war monger who was the villain in one of the previous MCU movies being on one side kind of tip the balance of who might be right and who might be wrong? If he wasn't there I could see this as more of a shades of grey type thing. But nope.
I'm sure the movie will still be great. But every time I see Ross in the trailers I keep asking myself "why didn't Hulk crush his head like a goddamn grape at the end of the 2008 movie?"

I don't know if he has "evil" so much as very dedicated to the military?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: goflyblind on March 10, 2016, 05:20:05 PM
underoos!  :highfive:
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on March 10, 2016, 06:55:42 PM
Black Panther!  8)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: RoninFox on March 11, 2016, 04:32:01 AM
My only problem with this movie is the presence of General Ross. Doesn't the fact that an evil war monger who was the villain in one of the previous MCU movies being on one side kind of tip the balance of who might be right and who might be wrong? If he wasn't there I could see this as more of a shades of grey type thing. But nope.
I'm sure the movie will still be great. But every time I see Ross in the trailers I keep asking myself "why didn't Hulk crush his head like a goddamn grape at the end of the 2008 movie?"

I don't know if he has "evil" so much as very dedicated to the military?

It also seems possible that the experience of the previous movie sparked some kind of growth in the character, realizing he was being a dickweed and trying to change.

underoos!  :highfive:

That was perfect.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on March 11, 2016, 04:46:03 AM
I'm really happy with the continuity, since he wasn't in any of the Iron-Man movies or Captain America 2 I thought he was done.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on March 11, 2016, 07:40:54 AM
My only problem with this movie is the presence of General Ross. Doesn't the fact that an evil war monger who was the villain in one of the previous MCU movies being on one side kind of tip the balance of who might be right and who might be wrong? If he wasn't there I could see this as more of a shades of grey type thing. But nope.
I'm sure the movie will still be great. But every time I see Ross in the trailers I keep asking myself "why didn't Hulk crush his head like a goddamn grape at the end of the 2008 movie?"

Since the movie is called Captain America, I think they're going to lean towards him being the good guy.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on April 28, 2016, 02:36:47 PM
Added a poll to the top of the page because I was feeling like a lame marketing campaign.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Quantum Vagina on April 28, 2016, 03:09:30 PM
Apparently I'm going to the midnight release on Thursday with Paul.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 28, 2016, 05:00:00 PM
It came out here yesterday, but my in-laws are very selfishly away for the weekend, and we can't get the kid babysat, so it won't be till next weekend that we see it.

Anyway, this thread should probably be marked as a spoilers thread pretty soon?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: k1 on April 28, 2016, 05:04:26 PM
Added a poll to the top of the page because I was feeling like a lame marketing campaign.

Team Mustache Dad.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on April 28, 2016, 07:13:18 PM
It came out here yesterday, but my in-laws are very selfishly away for the weekend, and we can't get the kid babysat, so it won't be till next weekend that we see it.

Anyway, this thread should probably be marked as a spoilers thread pretty soon?

Seeing it tonight! WHEEEEE!
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 28, 2016, 07:23:43 PM
Enjoy. I'm hearing nothing but love so far.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Pak-Man on April 28, 2016, 07:38:33 PM
Lucky! The US doesn't get it until next week. (But it lines up nicely with Free Comic Book Day. Tyrant and I have a tradition now of grabbing free comics, picking up the Mother-In-Law to babysit and catching Marvel's latest on FCBD. (And for the last few years, Marvel's given us something to watch...)

So that said, yes. Use spoiler-tags, everyone!
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 28, 2016, 07:50:36 PM
I think once a movie is released, the threads should have spoiler added to the title, and people should just not read it unless they've seen it.

The movie I just watched thread is good for general non-spoliery comments.

I think we've had every single Marvel Movie one week earlier than the US. I'm not sure why though.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on April 28, 2016, 08:39:37 PM
I will change it to spoiler once it releases in the US.  I don't recognize your early release date.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 28, 2016, 08:40:13 PM
Cool. Go to town, Scott. :)

(I'm out till after I see it)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on April 28, 2016, 09:26:24 PM

I think we've had every single Marvel Movie one week earlier than the US. I'm not sure why though.

To make nationalistic fanboys in the US really angry so we can laugh?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on May 03, 2016, 09:39:06 AM
Marvel should have had one of the trailers narrated by Ken Burns.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Kete on May 03, 2016, 09:49:07 AM
Marvel should have had one of the trailers narrated by Ken Burns.

http://www.youtube.com/v/U5l9bHfgTD8
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: BathTub on May 05, 2016, 08:38:56 PM
Between Ant-Man and this Marvel's anti-aging effects are getting pretty spooky. Wasn't expecting Paul Rudd to have such a big role either.

So at this point what is the difference between an Avengers film and a Captain America film? Avengers is dealing with Aliens and Captain America is cleaning up old Hydra projects?

I don't feel the 2nd post credits screen was worth the wait.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: JimJ on May 05, 2016, 09:22:38 PM
Between Ant-Man and this Marvel's anti-aging effects are getting pretty spooky. Wasn't expecting Paul Rudd to have such a big role either.

So at this point what is the difference between an Avengers film and a Captain America film? Avengers is dealing with Aliens and Captain America is cleaning up old Hydra projects?

I don't feel the 2nd post credits screen was worth the wait.

I actually thought they did a better than expected job at keeping the focus of the story on Cap.  Even though it's possible to see things from Stark's POV, the film itself clearly makes Cap the protagonist.  He's the one who knows the truth from the start and is fighting to get the others to see it.

I also think you need all of the original Avengers to be an Avengers movie.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: ScottotD on May 06, 2016, 08:46:47 AM
Iron Man's villain who doesn't think he's a villain is so good and Cap is noble and defiant without being cheesy

Plus Dean Pelton is in it!

Dream MCU spinoff is now Agent Koenig, Agend Nadir, Lloyd Rathman, the Genius Bar guy from Winter Soldier, Dean Pelton and the Dog Welder.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Quantum Vagina on May 06, 2016, 10:30:09 AM
It was absolutely spectacular.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Thrashalla on May 06, 2016, 10:54:17 AM
That was fantastic. Well worth staying up late for. (I went from Timechasers, uptown, to a midnight showing.)

I love them both, but I genuinely wonder what is going on at DC/WB right now.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Quantum Vagina on May 06, 2016, 12:07:28 PM
I went to a theater that had reclining seats, and I got to snuggle through the movie. was wonderful.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: k1 on May 06, 2016, 01:30:49 PM
That was really good. Nicely done serious movie with plenty of comedic moments.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on May 06, 2016, 01:36:37 PM


Dream MCU spinoff is now Agent Koenig,
YES! A whole army of Patton Oswalts!
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War
Post by: Darth Geek on May 06, 2016, 08:38:20 PM
I had a great time with it, absolutely loved it. I was really impressed how it juggled so many characters so well, even with the introduction of Spider-Man and Black Panther. It also did a much better job than I thought it would at keeping the two sides of the issue believable.

That being said, I still had a HUGE problem with the very presence of General Ross. When he was showing the Avengers the footage of destruction caused by unregulated actions, I noticed the rather conspicuous lack of footage from The Incredible Hulk where HE WAS RESPONSIBLE for the destruction of Harlem and likely the death of many people! Certainly the death of quite a few soldiers. Seriously, I just wanted one of the Avengers to walk up to him at that moment and just say "This is how I prove I'm a good guy. I defeat villains." AND RIP ROSS' FUCKING HEAD OFF! This character should be dead or rotting in the worst prison imaginable! Not given even more political power. We saw what he did when he authority before.
That being said, I always hated General Ross in the comics for exactly the same reason. So kudos for adapting the character accurately.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Kete on May 06, 2016, 09:46:17 PM
Ok kids. This is a spoiler thread now. Go crazy.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Darth Geek on May 06, 2016, 09:53:28 PM
I did think it was funny that Captain America's last line in the movie made them sound like the A-Team.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 07, 2016, 02:17:40 AM
Loved it! This is what happens when you carefully build a cinematic universe and don't try to shoehorn in everything. There was a lot going on, and a lot of characters, but everything worked.

Loved it!

I've mentioned my Marvel dream move already - To launch a horror wing of the universe, Man-Thing, Simon Garth the Living Zombie, Tomb of Dracula/Blade, Ghost Rider, Werewolf by Night. But another cool obscure character I think would be great is Terror Inc. "an eternal entity that absorbs the talents of others through their dismembered limbs." David Lapham wrote two mini series starring him a few years ago now - The first one was excellent - The second one was really bad.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Kete on May 07, 2016, 06:24:47 AM
Loved the huge Ant-Man. I'm just a little bugged that it was spoiled by a LEGO set. Get it? A little bug?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: ScottotD on May 07, 2016, 07:01:18 AM
Lego set?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Kete on May 07, 2016, 08:52:10 AM
Lego set?

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1510/25077265116_a8843b3edf_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: ScottotD on May 07, 2016, 08:59:02 AM
Oh, that came out before? I thought 'set' meant the film set and you thought it looked blocky or something

Is the Ant-Man big or are the other characters smaller? do they make big Lego people often now because I'd buy a bunch
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Relaxing Dragon on May 07, 2016, 11:40:33 AM
Overall I liked the movie quite a bit, which is saying something considering I wasn't really liking it for the first 45 minutes or so. The action was too close and shaky (something I expected better out of for these directors, considering the stellar fight scenes in Winter Soldier), it felt more like a general bunch of "And then this happened" scenes, and that great Marvel charm wasn't really there. Luckily once they reached Berlin things started to pick up, the humor flowed better (everything that happened between Bucky and Sam in the VG Bug was pure gold). The actual plot set up also took a while to get going, but this I appreciated more. It really made the overall movie work better to get both Steve and Tony's points of view across, as well as the rest of the team members as they start choosing sides.

For all the characters and arcs it brought to the table (for real, just about everyone got an arc), the movie walked that tightrope of being overstuffed-but-manageably-so just fine. All the new characters were very well done (Black Panther in particular), and all the familiar faces where in high form. Beyond Spider-Man, I wasn't actually sure who else would be showing up, so it was a great surprise when Ant-Man showed up. His constant geeking out was great ("Here's your shield, Captain America" was a perfectly delivered line), and for real, Giant Man. I didn't know it was coming, and it was beautiful when it did.

The central airport fight was fantastic. Perfect blending of all the characters together and big action moments. Sure, it had way too many of those looks-too-fake greenscreen backgrounds (in fact, the movie was overloaded with them), and there wasn't a lot of great justification for some characters (*cough**cough*Spider-Man) to even be there, but that's okay, because damn if it all just didn't work and flow so, so well. It would've been hard to top that action, so the movie played things smart and made the climactic, headlining fight a much more personal and brutal one. Loved that the movie was playing us all along with the Super Soldier Death Squad, only for the villain's master plan to be a much smaller, more personal one. In fact, I'd go as far to call this the best villain in the MCU, all things considered. No grandiose schemes or supervillain stylings, just an ordinary man who snapped after too much collateral damage fell on him. Definitely plays in great with how the whole MCU has been shaping over the past few movies, with that very idea of collateral damage coming to center stage.

As usual for an MCU movie, it all ends with us waiting to see what happens next, but it's set up for some darn interesting ideas. Solid movie through and through in the meanwhile, and I'm eager to watch it again.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Kete on May 07, 2016, 11:47:50 AM
Oh, that came out before? I thought 'set' meant the film set and you thought it looked blocky or something

Is the Ant-Man big or are the other characters smaller? do they make big Lego people often now because I'd buy a bunch

Everyone else is normal size except for the tiny Ant-Man standing in front of Bucky.  I think I've seen a large figure built out of little pieces before, but I'm not sure where.  They have a bunch of over-sized figures that are not made up of LEGOs that you can buy as clocks.  Those are cool, but not as cool as this Ant-Man.

I bought this Wonder Woman for my wife for Christmas.  It's maybe 9 inches tall.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71olNKvbKGL._UL1500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Quantum Vagina on May 07, 2016, 09:23:24 PM
I really loved the movie. It managed to be a CapAm movie, but also worked extremely well as a sequel to Age of Ultron. I've not been so thrilled with the big action sequence of a movie since maybe the first Avengers.

The biggest thing that I had a hard time dealing with was I didn't know WHO to root for in any fight scene. I loved Tom Holland's Spider Man, though i still think Toby MacGuire was the best Spidey we've seen so far, and I'm sad that those movies aren't a part of the MCU. That final fight between Bucky and Cap and Iron Man was heartwrenching. It was amazong and super sad at the same time.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Pak-Man on May 08, 2016, 08:37:55 AM
Yeah, this might be my new second-favorite Marvel movie (After Guardians).

And boy, this movie REALLY wanted you to know what country every scene was in.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: goflyblind on May 08, 2016, 01:44:24 PM
was the redhead named 'dot' that bucky was trying to win a bear for an agent carter reference?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Johnny Unusual on May 09, 2016, 07:32:02 PM
I saw it last night and it was really good.  The airport fight was truly amazing and though the stakes are high, it never forgets that superheroes fighting superheroes is a lot of fun to watch, especially when done this well.  Makes me feel bad that I missed Ant-Man in theatres, too (I'll get around to it).  Really looking forward to the Black Panther movie too.  Watching the trailers, I was afraid he wasn't going to do any talking this time around and essentially present him as a "mysterious figure who doesn't get anything revealed about him till he gets his own movie" and I'm real glad that wasn't the case.  T'Challa gets his own complete journey.  In fact, despite the large cast, I think they handle it all really well, even better than in Age of Ultron.  Man, Marvel has a hell of a stable of actors now and they are using them well.  Now I'm excited for Ragnarok (and, of course, Doc Strange).

I will also say there are a couple of plot twists that caught me genuinely off guard.  Though I suspected that
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Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Darth Geek on May 09, 2016, 07:45:15 PM
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Yeah, that caught me off guard too, and was a well done motivator for the final fight.

I loved that Zemo was not superpowered. The idea that a regular person can do this much damage to the Avengers was unique and interesting.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 09, 2016, 07:48:01 PM
Makes me feel bad that I missed Ant-Man in theatres, too (I'll get around to it). 

I feel like Ant-Man was better here than in his own movie (which I liked, even though it has problems).
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Darth Geek on May 09, 2016, 07:52:24 PM
Makes me feel bad that I missed Ant-Man in theatres, too (I'll get around to it). 

I feel like Ant-Man was better here than in his own movie (which I liked, even though it has problems).
Agreed. I really liked him in this movie, even though I didn't like the Ant-Man movie.

And considering that the last time we saw Falcon he was being completely EMBARRASSED by a noob, it was great to see him here being awesome. Plus all the creative stuff he did with his wings was brilliant.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: ScottotD on May 09, 2016, 09:03:05 PM
You are literally the only person I've ever heard who's annoyed by that
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Pak-Man on May 09, 2016, 09:45:32 PM
So that after-credits sequence...

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Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 09, 2016, 09:59:19 PM
So that after-credits sequence...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It's a reference to the Spider-Man animated series /and comics of that time where he projected his symbol.

BTW, no need for spoiler tags now that the thread is marked as a spoiler zone!
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: BathTub on May 09, 2016, 10:00:06 PM
Well his current suit has high tech elements, so it could just be an interface with that, or it's just communication links to stark industries.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: ScottotD on May 09, 2016, 10:02:19 PM
Seems like it, weird to introduce a new costume and then change it but having an Avenger in spandex when he could be wearing something stronger doesn't really make sense on a practical level
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 09, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
Seems like it, weird to introduce a new costume and then change it but having an Avenger in spandex when he could be wearing something stronger doesn't really make sense on a practical level

That depends on the abilities of the avenger, I'd have thought. His whole thing is agility, acrobatics etc. Light weight is probably the ideal for him.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Johnny Unusual on May 09, 2016, 10:13:17 PM
And since the new Spider-Man movie will have Iron Man in it, he could end up having a similar relationship with him to Nick Fury in the most recent Spider-Man cartoon.  But I think the main takaway was he had that classic spotlight (though the fact that it had an interface of some kind certainly hints at connections to Stark.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: ScottotD on May 10, 2016, 12:19:31 AM
Seems like it, weird to introduce a new costume and then change it but having an Avenger in spandex when he could be wearing something stronger doesn't really make sense on a practical level

That depends on the abilities of the avenger, I'd have thought. His whole thing is agility, acrobatics etc. Light weight is probably the ideal for him.

Yeah, if that's the reason it seems unnecessary.  My first thought was just it was pre-empting whining 
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Darth Geek on May 10, 2016, 06:12:44 AM
You are literally the only person I've ever heard who's annoyed by that
Yeah, I know I'm in the extreme minority on disliking the Ant-Man movie.


Is it just me or was the way Tony telling Spider-Man "You're done!" made it sound like he had done something wrong and angered Tony, but he hadn't. Considering it was his first superbattle, he did great.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Kete on May 10, 2016, 06:50:10 AM
You are literally the only person I've ever heard who's annoyed by that
Yeah, I know I'm in the extreme minority on disliking the Ant-Man movie.


Is it just me or was the way Tony telling Spider-Man "You're done!" made it sound like he had done something wrong and angered Tony, but he hadn't. Considering it was his first superbattle, he did great.

I think it was realizing he had pushed him too far, and didn't want him to get hurt any worse.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Darth Geek on May 10, 2016, 06:59:01 AM
You are literally the only person I've ever heard who's annoyed by that
Yeah, I know I'm in the extreme minority on disliking the Ant-Man movie.


Is it just me or was the way Tony telling Spider-Man "You're done!" made it sound like he had done something wrong and angered Tony, but he hadn't. Considering it was his first superbattle, he did great.

I think it was realizing he had pushed him too far, and didn't want him to get hurt any worse.
That makes more sense. It felt like Tony was warming up to being a type of father figure to Peter in the introduction scene.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Quantum Vagina on May 10, 2016, 07:14:11 AM
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Spider_Armor (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Spider_Armor)

There is precedent for there being an Iron Spider Suit, and it was based in the Civil War timeline. It is completely possible, considering Marvel, that this suit will make an appearance. Also, Spider-Man gains the abilities of a spider, which is why the spandex works well for him; he can take hits that most people can't, since he would have proportional dirability equal to a spider's. I am really looking forward to Homecoming, since it's I love Spider-Man. At the moment, he's the only Avenger, aside from Scarlet Witch, who has actual super powers. The rest of them are examples of the human body being capable of certain things. Vision is a being of pure intelligence, Iron Man is A product of intellect and Technology. Captain America is the absolute extent of what humanity is capable physically, The Hulk is science gone wrong, and embodiement of pure rage(makes me sad that he couldn't have been in Blackest Night from the DC universe; he'd have been a great deputy Red Lantern over Aquaman's wife), Widow is assassin/stealth,etc. Plus, I love how things always suck for him, because Spider-Man. I hope they expand on his tragedy more, because it's what makes him a relatable character.

Interesting comic tidbit, they're gearing up for Civil War round 2, and he seems to be teaming up with Iron Man AGAIN, which is odd, since it worked out horribly the first time.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Kete on May 10, 2016, 07:36:06 AM
If they have an Iron Spider suit, I don't think it will look different.  They can't have him without his iconic look for his introduction or his first movie.  Maybe for his second movie, but not yet.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Darth Geek on May 10, 2016, 07:39:08 AM
If they change the suit at all I hope they go more towards the Raimi movie's style. That is still the epitome of movie Spider-Man suit.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Johnny Unusual on May 10, 2016, 07:51:53 AM
I really don't think they are going to do the Iron Spider Suit (save maybe as an easter egg or quick scene), at least not in his own movie.  Maybe if he shows up in Infinity War.  Nothing against the iron suit, but it makes more sense to do a traditional suit in his own movie.  I could see him getting a few more doodads from Stark, though (spider-tracers, though I prefer the idea that he makes them himself.  BTW, apparently real tracers have been inspired by spider-tracers.  Neat).

I'm just hoping that if the FF can't get bought back by Marvel, they'll at least get the Spider-Man deal.  They would make for a perfect post-Avengers franchise.  Also, have Mole Man be the villain of the first one.  Doctor Doom can wait and Mole Man has an army of 1950's style monsters!
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: ScottotD on May 10, 2016, 10:33:11 AM
I took "You're done!" as Spidey wanted to keep fighting and Tony putting his foot down so he didn't get hurt.

You are literally the only person I've ever heard who's annoyed by that
Yeah, I know I'm in the extreme minority on disliking the Ant-Man movie.

No, I meant specifically the Falcon scene. 
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Darth Geek on May 10, 2016, 01:32:11 PM
I took "You're done!" as Spidey wanted to keep fighting and Tony putting his foot down so he didn't get hurt.

You are literally the only person I've ever heard who's annoyed by that
Yeah, I know I'm in the extreme minority on disliking the Ant-Man movie.

No, I meant specifically the Falcon scene.
The fight itself was very well choreographed and creative. It just came way too soon after he was first training, for me to buy that he could throw down with an Avenger.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Kete on May 10, 2016, 01:52:13 PM
I took "You're done!" as Spidey wanted to keep fighting and Tony putting his foot down so he didn't get hurt.

You are literally the only person I've ever heard who's annoyed by that
Yeah, I know I'm in the extreme minority on disliking the Ant-Man movie.

No, I meant specifically the Falcon scene.
The fight itself was very well choreographed and creative. It just came way too soon after he was first training, for me to buy that he could throw down with an Avenger.

A montage is a very powerful thing.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Pak-Man on May 10, 2016, 01:57:07 PM
Falcon was going up against a power set he was completely unprepared for. Rookie or not, his powers were honed enough to take care of a very confused Falcon.
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 10, 2016, 03:28:17 PM
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Spider_Armor (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Spider_Armor)

There is precedent for there being an Iron Spider Suit, and it was based in the Civil War timeline. It is completely possible, considering Marvel, that this suit will make an appearance. Also, Spider-Man gains the abilities of a spider, which is why the spandex works well for him; he can take hits that most people can't, since he would have proportional dirability equal to a spider's. I am really looking forward to Homecoming, since it's I love Spider-Man. At the moment, he's the only Avenger, aside from Scarlet Witch, who has actual super powers. The rest of them are examples of the human body being capable of certain things. Vision is a being of pure intelligence, Iron Man is A product of intellect and Technology. Captain America is the absolute extent of what humanity is capable physically, The Hulk is science gone wrong, and embodiement of pure rage(makes me sad that he couldn't have been in Blackest Night from the DC universe; he'd have been a great deputy Red Lantern over Aquaman's wife), Widow is assassin/stealth,etc. Plus, I love how things always suck for him, because Spider-Man. I hope they expand on his tragedy more, because it's what makes him a relatable character.

Interesting comic tidbit, they're gearing up for Civil War round 2, and he seems to be teaming up with Iron Man AGAIN, which is odd, since it worked out horribly the first time.

It's been awhile since I read Spider-Man, but wasn't his timeline reset with magic so that that didn't happen?
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: goflyblind on May 10, 2016, 03:37:24 PM
I took "You're done!" as Spidey wanted to keep fighting and Tony putting his foot down so he didn't get hurt.

You are literally the only person I've ever heard who's annoyed by that
Yeah, I know I'm in the extreme minority on disliking the Ant-Man movie.

No, I meant specifically the Falcon scene.
The fight itself was very well choreographed and creative. It just came way too soon after he was first training, for me to buy that he could throw down with an Avenger.

A montage is a very powerful thing.

https://www.youtube.com/v/SPFCHuEegsk

always fade out in a montage...
Title: Re: Captain America 3 - Civil War TEAM SPOILERS
Post by: SJP on May 10, 2016, 09:57:24 PM
I think all of us are missing the big picture here...namely, how well they presented young Tony Stark in this movie.  I don't know if the darkening of the movie via 3D helped, but they did a damn good job making Downey how he looked in his Weird Science days.

What I'm saying is, if we went from the crappy de-aging shown in X-Men 3 to this, does this really mean we have to hire a new actor for Indiana Jones?  Just de-age Harrison Ford digitally to his 40s and he can play the part forever! ;)
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Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 10, 2016, 10:02:31 PM
I WAS super impressed with the de-aging! I saw it in 2D btw (in a 'gold class' cinema where they never show 3D movies and don't have the projectors set up for 3D) and still thought it looked amazing.
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Post by: Quantum Vagina on May 10, 2016, 11:40:34 PM
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Spider_Armor (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Spider_Armor)

There is precedent for there being an Iron Spider Suit, and it was based in the Civil War timeline. It is completely possible, considering Marvel, that this suit will make an appearance. Also, Spider-Man gains the abilities of a spider, which is why the spandex works well for him; he can take hits that most people can't, since he would have proportional dirability equal to a spider's. I am really looking forward to Homecoming, since it's I love Spider-Man. At the moment, he's the only Avenger, aside from Scarlet Witch, who has actual super powers. The rest of them are examples of the human body being capable of certain things. Vision is a being of pure intelligence, Iron Man is A product of intellect and Technology. Captain America is the absolute extent of what humanity is capable physically, The Hulk is science gone wrong, and embodiement of pure rage(makes me sad that he couldn't have been in Blackest Night from the DC universe; he'd have been a great deputy Red Lantern over Aquaman's wife), Widow is assassin/stealth,etc. Plus, I love how things always suck for him, because Spider-Man. I hope they expand on his tragedy more, because it's what makes him a relatable character.

Interesting comic tidbit, they're gearing up for Civil War round 2, and he seems to be teaming up with Iron Man AGAIN, which is odd, since it worked out horribly the first time.

It's been awhile since I read Spider-Man, but wasn't his timeline reset with magic so that that didn't happen?

I'm not sure if it did or not. Comics are weird and all that. The only timeline reset I'm aware of is him making a deal with the devil to bring MJ back to life, and the catch was that they'd never been married at all, which is what started the events that led to her dying. Pretty good as devil deals go, but I'd still prefer Brimstone.
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Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 10, 2016, 11:56:05 PM
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Spider_Armor (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Spider_Armor)

There is precedent for there being an Iron Spider Suit, and it was based in the Civil War timeline. It is completely possible, considering Marvel, that this suit will make an appearance. Also, Spider-Man gains the abilities of a spider, which is why the spandex works well for him; he can take hits that most people can't, since he would have proportional dirability equal to a spider's. I am really looking forward to Homecoming, since it's I love Spider-Man. At the moment, he's the only Avenger, aside from Scarlet Witch, who has actual super powers. The rest of them are examples of the human body being capable of certain things. Vision is a being of pure intelligence, Iron Man is A product of intellect and Technology. Captain America is the absolute extent of what humanity is capable physically, The Hulk is science gone wrong, and embodiement of pure rage(makes me sad that he couldn't have been in Blackest Night from the DC universe; he'd have been a great deputy Red Lantern over Aquaman's wife), Widow is assassin/stealth,etc. Plus, I love how things always suck for him, because Spider-Man. I hope they expand on his tragedy more, because it's what makes him a relatable character.

Interesting comic tidbit, they're gearing up for Civil War round 2, and he seems to be teaming up with Iron Man AGAIN, which is odd, since it worked out horribly the first time.

It's been awhile since I read Spider-Man, but wasn't his timeline reset with magic so that that didn't happen?

I'm not sure if it did or not. Comics are weird and all that. The only timeline reset I'm aware of is him making a deal with the devil to bring MJ back to life, and the catch was that they'd never been married at all, which is what started the events that led to her dying. Pretty good as devil deals go, but I'd still prefer Brimstone.

It undid the revealing of his identity, which was during civil war, while working for Tony. (Also, I thought it was Aunt May's life he was saving?)
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Post by: Darth Geek on May 11, 2016, 06:58:03 AM
I think all of us are missing the big picture here...namely, how well they presented young Tony Stark in this movie.  I don't know if the darkening of the movie via 3D helped, but they did a damn good job making Downey how he looked in his Weird Science days.

What I'm saying is, if we went from the crappy de-aging shown in X-Men 3 to this, does this really mean we have to hire a new actor for Indiana Jones?  Just de-age Harrison Ford digitally to his 40s and he can play the part forever! ;)
The de-aging was really impressive. But doing that to Harrison Ford would be a bad idea. I love Harrison Ford, especially in that role. But the guy is so old now he could die any day now from a loud fart. If they have to do new Indiana Jones movies make it a reboot with a young actor that can bring something different to the role.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on May 11, 2016, 08:16:41 AM
Yeah, de-aging stuff is probably better for stuff like this or how it was used in Tron, where it is part of the plot, rather than for a whole film.
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Post by: Darth Geek on May 11, 2016, 08:55:51 AM
Yeah, de-aging stuff is probably better for stuff like this or how it was used in Tron, where it is part of the plot, rather than for a whole film.
Well, Tron 2 was easily the worst de-aging effect ever, but yes I agree, it should be used sparingly when it's necessary.
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Post by: NRRork on May 11, 2016, 08:58:26 AM
THAT'S how they did it? I just thought they found some kid who looked like him.
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Post by: Kete on May 11, 2016, 10:05:49 AM
Nope.  They actually filmed his part of that scene in 1985.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on May 11, 2016, 07:17:28 PM
Yeah, de-aging stuff is probably better for stuff like this or how it was used in Tron, where it is part of the plot, rather than for a whole film.
Well, Tron 2 was easily the worst de-aging effect ever, but yes I agree, it should be used sparingly when it's necessary.

It wasn't great and it wasn't a great movie, but I feel it made some kind of sense to the plot.  If it is just to make an actor look younger in a non-flashback seems like it would be an odd decision and feels like unless there's a larger point to it, it won't be used to make franchise leads look younger (especially since in most cases, age becomes part of the plot).
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Post by: ScottotD on May 11, 2016, 10:34:36 PM

Yeah, de-aging stuff is probably better for stuff like this or how it was used in Tron, where it is part of the plot, rather than for a whole film.

That was about a decade ago though
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on May 11, 2016, 10:46:03 PM
6 years isn't really a decade.
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Post by: ScottotD on May 11, 2016, 11:23:46 PM
Feels like it was longer ago than that but that's still a long time for special effects
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Post by: SJP on May 12, 2016, 09:07:07 AM
While I'm kind of glad the de-aging thing became a topic, I did want to reiterate my ;) for the whole Indiana Jones thing.  I was just trying to make some light humor.  However, I did see a story about the process, and that there is mention that many celebrities (who renamed nameless) do "digital facelifts" like this for films all the time, and that much of the time nobody even notices; small wrinkle removals here, zits airbrushed, the whole nine yards.  The big issue comes when people meet the celebrities in public and go, "Wow.  You look...um...did you ALWAYS have a giant mole, right there, in the middle of your eyeball?" ;)
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on May 22, 2016, 07:36:15 PM
This might have been brought up already, but...

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Post by: anais.butterfly on May 24, 2016, 10:04:24 AM
Nope.  They actually filmed his part of that scene in 1985.

I had been drinking, so when I saw this scene, I thought Fandango had turned on Less Than Zero for some strange reason.