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Title: Star Trek 3 with (without Spoooock) The Shat??
Post by: RVR II on September 23, 2014, 07:47:23 AM
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Rumor: Roberto Orci Wants to Reunite William Shatner & Leonard Nimoy for STAR TREK 3
Nerdiest; on September 22, 2014

We know very little about the plot details of Star Trek 3 (or Star Trek 13, if you want to be technical about it.) We know the co-screenwriter of the previous two installments, Roberto Orci, is making his directorial debut with this one, and we know that the movie is set well into the five-year mission of the crew of the Enterprise. But this latest tidbit should have hardcore Trekkers foaming at the mouth with excitement: according to a report in Badass Digest, it seems Orci, a huge old-school Trek fan himself, wants to reunite William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy as Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock, presumably for the last time. The last time these two actors shared the screen together as these characters was in 1991′s Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, which was the last film featuring the original crew.

Other attempts had been made to reunite them on screen since then Trek VI. In 1994′s Star Trek: Generations, the opening prologue, which was set on the maiden voyage of the Enterprise-B, featured Shatner as Kirk, along with Walter Koenig as Chekov and James Doohan as Scotty, giving the new ship a proper send-off. The original script called for Kirk along with Spock and Doctor McCoy instead, but both Leonard Nimoy and DeForrest Kelley declined to come back for what amounted to be a pretty minor cameo, so they were replaced with Koenig and Doohan. Then when it came time for JJ Abrams‘ 2009 Star Trek reboot, it was Nimoy who came back as Spock and Shatner who declined, as he didn’t want to do a mere cameo. The cameo itself would have been a holographic recording of Kirk that Spock kept with him, since the movie Generations had killed him off.

So could Orci have the winning formula in his script to reunite these two sci-fi legends one last time? There would be historical significance to it as Star Trek:3 is set to be released in 2016, the 50th anniversary year of the entire franchise. Although Star Wars is often given all the credit for launching the sci-fi-dominated pop culture landscape we all enjoy living in now, truthfully Star Trek did it first. To have Shatner and Nimoy reunited after twenty-five years, alongside their younger counterparts Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto, would help to make this movie something truly special, and mark a fairly big anniversary in geek culture.

Would you like to see Shatner and Nimoy together on the big screen again?
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: anais.butterfly on September 23, 2014, 08:06:07 AM
I like seeing Shatner do anything to be honest.

Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RoninFox on September 23, 2014, 08:22:14 AM
I'm not sure how they can do it where it will make sense, but I can't really complain, it would be cool to see him as Kirk one more time.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RVR II on September 23, 2014, 08:53:43 AM
Well they better hurry up cause it sounds like Leonard Nimoy isn't doing too well (lung issues) :scared:
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 23, 2014, 09:24:24 AM
Calling is Star Trek 3 still annoys the shit out of me.

I'm not sure how they can do it where it will make sense, but I can't really complain, it would be cool to see him as Kirk one more time.

Look at how much of these movies dont make sense already, its just lazy writing and thats not going to stop them from doing more of it.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Darth Geek on September 23, 2014, 09:35:28 AM
Ugh! Keep Shatner as far away from this as possible!

And while I'm glad the writers are fans of Trek, but rather than writing what amounts to fanfiction, how about writing NEW stories?!
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Henry88 on September 23, 2014, 09:40:51 AM
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Ugh! Keep Shatner as far away from this as possible!

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Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Darth Geek on September 23, 2014, 09:42:36 AM
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Ugh! Keep Shatner as far away from this as possible!

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That's shaped like my thingy.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: BathTub on September 23, 2014, 10:51:53 PM
Neither of them should be in it, it's the 3rd film of the new crew, move on from the old crew gimmick.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: PsychoGoatee on September 23, 2014, 11:21:09 PM
I say we throw Stan Lee in there too, just for kicks. And Lloyd Kaufman! They're both in Guardians of the Galaxy, so that's close-ish material.  ;D

I like it, cameos for the titans are groovy in my book.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: stethacantus on September 24, 2014, 06:54:39 AM
I'm not sure how they can do it where it will make sense, but I can't really complain, it would be cool to see him as Kirk one more time.

Simple. The first JJ Abrams movie established that the original Federation timeline was changed when the movie's villain went back in time to take vengeance against Spock. That means almost all the events that happened in the original series and the Star Trek series that followed have been altered. It may be possible that in this new time stream, Kirk was never killed. I am sure that time-travel Spock will make sure that all the bad things he knows of, like Kirk's death, never happen. Most of the conflicts that happened in the original time line would be avoided. This opens the door for time-travel Kirk to show up.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on September 24, 2014, 04:43:28 PM
Star Trek 3(or whatever it's called) is likely to be the last movie featuring this particular cast, so however this is going to be done, they need to send this alternate timeline out with glory and dignity. In other words, get Nick Meyer to write and direct and keep Orci and Kurtzman far away from this one. I say that even though I thoroughly enjoyed the last two Treks.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 24, 2014, 04:58:25 PM
These movies have no dignity to start with, so sending it out with dignity is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on September 24, 2014, 09:47:30 PM
These movies have no dignity to start with, so sending it out with dignity is irrelevant.
Sigh... well, my point is now that JJ is probably not returning, Paramount could at least try to get someone worthy to fill his shoes. I'm not comfortable with those two doing all the heavy lifting. I don't care how damn good Kurtzman and Orci might be at answering studio notes, get someone in there who has serious talent to direct the thing properly... and ideally, write it properly too.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 25, 2014, 04:48:15 AM
Abrams is not returning.  Roberto Orci is writing and directing this one.  Kurtzman is not going to be a part of it.  I agree though, these guys are terribly lazy writers, and for someone who is supposedly a "Star Trek purist" how did the Kobyashi Maru test get completely misunderstood?  It seems like they want to go back to the time travel well AGAIN, so I think the creativity in this Star Trek universe is gone.  I expect another mish-mash of random classic Star Trek moments lazily pasted together. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on September 25, 2014, 03:35:26 PM
Abrams is not returning.  Roberto Orci is writing and directing this one.  Kurtzman is not going to be a part of it.  I agree though, these guys are terribly lazy writers, and for someone who is supposedly a "Star Trek purist" how did the Kobyashi Maru test get completely misunderstood?  It seems like they want to go back to the time travel well AGAIN, so I think the creativity in this Star Trek universe is gone.  I expect another mish-mash of random classic Star Trek moments lazily pasted together.
Paramount needs a reality check.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 25, 2014, 04:37:54 PM
As long as they are making money, they dont give a shit.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 25, 2014, 09:02:03 PM
As long as they are making money, they dont give a shit.

Yup, Star Trek is no more, there doesn't seem to be anyone left to make it have any meaning, it's just mission impossible in space now.

Only thing that might make me watch any of these movies would be if they time traveled back and fixed the timeline so Vulcan doesn't get destroyed.  Closest I've come to these is listening to the Treknologic review of the first one, and that confirmed to me that Star Trek is dead.

As for trotting out Shatner, gimmick casting isn't going to get me to watch.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on September 26, 2014, 12:35:21 AM
As long as they are making money, they dont give a shit.

Yup, Star Trek is no more, there doesn't seem to be anyone left to make it have any meaning, it's just mission impossible in space now.
I wouldn't go that far. The TNG movies were just awful(Except maybe First Contact) and Enterprise was the absolute lowest point for all of Trek. I don't care how much someone hates the new movies, they're still a huge step up from where Trek was before.

I'm even just going to come out and say it, I'd rather see the franchise in the hands of Kurtzman and Orci than Berman and Braga.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 26, 2014, 05:30:36 AM
I don't care how much someone hates the new movies, they're still a huge step up from where Trek was before.

I'm even just going to come out and say it, I'd rather see the franchise in the hands of Kurtzman and Orci than Berman and Braga.

I completely disagree with you there.  Enterprise season 4 had some great episodes.  At least they try new things and different directions.  Unlike Orci/Kurtzman, in the 09 movie Nero is a bad copy of Shinzon and the movie is held together by improbable coincidences and STD is a bad rehash of of WoK.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Ben on September 26, 2014, 05:38:26 AM
And while I'm glad the writers are fans of Trek, but rather than writing what amounts to fanfiction, how about writing NEW stories?!

Abrams had his chance. He blew it.

Now, in regards to this little rumour, I can't deny it brings out my shameless inner Trekkie. I've always thought it would be incredibly badass if Shatner showed up as the evil "Mirror-Kirk" seen in the TOS episode MIRROR MIRROR and act as the third movie's antagonist. There's a series of "Shatnerverse" novels that explored the concept  of Mirror-Kirk (labelled Tiberius) threatening the resurrected Prime-Kirk. I'd love to see Orci make some kind of loose adaptation of that story arc, with Shatner's Mirror-Kirk returning to terrorize the Abrams version of the crew.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Darth Geek on September 26, 2014, 05:41:23 AM
And while I'm glad the writers are fans of Trek, but rather than writing what amounts to fanfiction, how about writing NEW stories?!

Abrams had his chance. He blew it.

Now, in regards to this little rumour, I can't deny it brings out my shameless inner Trekkie. I've always thought it would be incredibly badass if Shatner showed up as the evil "Mirror-Kirk" seen in the TOS episode MIRROR MIRROR and act as the third movie's antagonist. There's a series of "Shatnerverse" novels that explored the concept  of Mirror-Kirk (labelled Tiberius) threatening the resurrected Prime-Kirk. I'd love to see Orci make some kind of loose adaptation of that story arc, with Shatner's Mirror-Kirk returning to terrorize the Abrams version of the crew.
You really think SHATNER of all people is going to intimidate anyone?! Young Shatner could barely do that, there's no fucking way anybody does anything but laugh at old fat Shatner.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 26, 2014, 05:44:49 AM
Your confusing Shatner with Kirk.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Darth Geek on September 26, 2014, 05:48:59 AM
Your confusing Shatner with Kirk.
No, I'm confusing bok choy with cabbage.


SHATNER, the actor, doesn't have the capability (especially at his age and weight) to threaten a field mouse. You put him on screen and everyone is just going to laugh at him if he tries to act initmidating. Regardless of what "character" he is trying to play.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 26, 2014, 05:56:40 AM
I agree with you about Shatner today but not about Kirk in his prime.  Kirk in his Prime could do anything, from bullshitting a vastly technological being to convincing a robotic death machine to commit suicide and show superior to a genetically engineered superman.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Ben on September 26, 2014, 06:03:38 AM
SHATNER, the actor, doesn't have the capability (especially at his age and weight) to threaten a field mouse. You put him on screen and everyone is just going to laugh at him if he tries to act initmidating. Regardless of what "character" he is trying to play.

You should see THE INTRUDER, if you haven't already. (Or, if you're in the mood for some raw '70's cheese, IMPULSE.) Shatner can be one creepy weirdo if a director knows how to channel his quirky screen presence.

Anyway, I actually pictured the Abrams-crew displaying the exact same open mockery towards this old, fat clown within the context of the film. They laugh at him, they lower their defences, and then...BAM, Tiberius suddenly thrusts a blade right into McCoy's belly.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RoninFox on September 26, 2014, 06:17:19 AM
if a director knows how

This is the most important part of any great Shatner performance.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 26, 2014, 06:20:09 AM
I think this new Star Trek movie will be Orci's first shot as director.  This could be a total train wreck...
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Darth Geek on September 26, 2014, 06:47:42 AM
I think this new Star Trek movie will be Orci's first shot as director.  This could be a total train wreck...
Yeah, I don't get why they would want to make that kind of gamble with this kind of moneymaker franchise.

Personally, I'd like to see Edgar Wright given a chance to direct a Trek movie.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 26, 2014, 07:12:30 AM
Agreed, Star Trek is a big property for them.  Maybe it is a sign they are ready to abandon this version of Star Trek if it fails?
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Darth Geek on September 26, 2014, 11:05:32 AM
They've got a lot of talented actors in the roles. Willing to play them for years, and the audience loves them. The only problems with these movies (and that only some people have a problem with) is the writing and a little with the direction. You don't have to reboot the whole thing yet again in a few years to fix that.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Ben on September 26, 2014, 12:34:11 PM
They've got a lot of talented actors in the roles. Willing to play them for years, and the audience loves them. The only problems with these movies (and that only some people have a problem with) is the writing and a little with the direction. You don't have to reboot the whole thing yet again in a few years to fix that.

Yup. If Paramount had followed the kind of logic popular in Hollywood today, they would have rebooted the franchise after the initial reaction to STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, and one of the best ST movies ever made would never have existed.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Johnny Unusual on September 26, 2014, 07:00:45 PM
They've got a lot of talented actors in the roles. Willing to play them for years, and the audience loves them. The only problems with these movies (and that only some people have a problem with) is the writing and a little with the direction. You don't have to reboot the whole thing yet again in a few years to fix that.

Yup. If Paramount had followed the kind of logic popular in Hollywood today, they would have rebooted the franchise after the initial reaction to STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, and one of the best ST movies ever made would never have existed.

The one where Michelle Nichols does a fan dance?
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on September 26, 2014, 09:43:52 PM
I completely disagree with you there.  Enterprise season 4 had some great episodes.  At least they try new things and different directions.  Unlike Orci/Kurtzman, in the 09 movie Nero is a bad copy of Shinzon and the movie is held together by improbable coincidences and STD is a bad rehash of of WoK.
And then Enterprise whizzed it right down their leg with "these are the voyages". I would say season 4 had some ok episodes but they're not remotely that great they're certainly not all that ambitious.  I think the whole season is still undone by the terrible cast and the characters. I just can't see how anybody can compare Nero with Shinzon other than being Romulans, I guess, they're just not the same character. Star Trek is for me about the characters and at least Star Trek 2009 and Star Trek into darkness gave us great stories for these characters and honestly I think that's what Star Trek is all about. it's all about the characters and how they feel together as family, dealing with life and death, and that's what's most important to me. The new movies as opposed to the TNG ones engross you on a genuinely organic level. With TNG movies and Enterprise I always got the sense that any emotional involvement was on a purely forced and artificial level.

Star Trek was an exciting space adventure showing us how the characters we already know had the requisite guts and cunning to save the universe. That's all I want out of a Star Trek movie, no more, no less. When you ask for too much intellectualism in a film you get something like Star Trek The Motion Picture and that's something nobody wants. I'm sure I don't need to remind you but(especially these days) studios will never go out on a limb purely for artistic reasons. Is that an excuse? Of course not. But I am more than happy to have something that breathes life into the characters I love and gives them exciting adventures to go on. I thought Star Trek 2009 was the perfect balance. Intellectualism is fine in the right context(2001 for instance), and it's much easier to stomach the thought of a script like Star Trek '09 versus 2001 a Space Odyssey. I am trying not to come off as an apologist but I'm afraid that's how I'm sounding right now.

Star Trek Into Darkness might arguably be a sloppy homage, but at least it was a decent homage. The actors as those characters made me believe it, whereas with anyone else directing it might have come off laughable. Star Trek Nemesis was completely sloppy in that it lacked vision, ambition, and all the elements that make a Star Trek movie totally exciting(Dune buggy chase anyone?). Nemesis really wanted you to believe it was 100% it's own original story. At least with Into Darkness, all the homages are clear and obvious, and I respect that. It doesn't try to hide what it is. Unlike Nemesis, I actually care about the Enterprise A crew and whether or not they live or die by the end. With Nemesis, I knew it was going to be the last movie and it moved so slow and it was so plodding and boring that I was like "Who cares?" upon the first viewing. Into Darkness even tackled subject matter that I thought was interesting. Just like The undiscovered country, it tackled the issue that in the future, fear and hatred will not be things of the past. As sad as it may seem, we'll always have that emotional baggage with us and we'll just need to learn to deal with it. I liked that message, and I thought it made for a wonderful conclusion because it was so deep and thought-provoking.

I think it's fair to say that each of the movies basically has what the other doesn't. The first one was a gripping, fast paced and exciting character oriented space adventure, and the second was an intense, thought-provoking drama, character-driven, science fiction think piece. 

After saying all this though, I have to consider the question: am I just so jaded I love those movies for the wrong reasons? Or do I just love them because there's something seriously wrong with me?
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 26, 2014, 11:52:38 PM
They've got a lot of talented actors in the roles. Willing to play them for years, and the audience loves them. The only problems with these movies (and that only some people have a problem with) is the writing and a little with the direction. You don't have to reboot the whole thing yet again in a few years to fix that.

Yup. If Paramount had followed the kind of logic popular in Hollywood today, they would have rebooted the franchise after the initial reaction to STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, and one of the best ST movies ever made would never have existed.

The one where Michelle Nichols does a fan dance?

You know, that one could have been good, a few changes here and there, better effects, more realistic comic relief, better science (the center of the galaxy? come on...).  It was pretty much ruined by going with a cheap special effects company and the studio wanting it to be "more funny like the one with the whales"....  ::)

It's too bad the TNG crew only had one good movie (First Contact), besides the terrible scripts the cast seemed to loose some of the chemistry they had on the show, maybe the TOS crew got it together faster because they had been away from each other longer?  Of course they also had far better stories to work with.

I seem to have blocked out Nemesis nearly completely now, last time I watched it was the week it came out on DVD, Insurrection I may have watched 3 times, same with Generations, First Contact is the only one I've upgraded to Blu-Ray.

Not sure why so many people hate the cast of Enterprise, I really liked two thirds of them, the rest were average.

No matter what Braga and Berman say, These Are The Voyages was a big FU to the fans, the end where we don't get to hear Archers' speech just proves it.  "A valentine to trek" my ass....
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Ben on September 27, 2014, 06:14:16 AM
The one where Michelle Nichols does a fan dance?

Ooooh, good one! You know what would have made that scene even better? LENS FLARES!

(And you know I was talking about WRATH OF KHAN, smarty-pants.)
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Johnny Unusual on September 27, 2014, 02:19:49 PM
They've got a lot of talented actors in the roles. Willing to play them for years, and the audience loves them. The only problems with these movies (and that only some people have a problem with) is the writing and a little with the direction. You don't have to reboot the whole thing yet again in a few years to fix that.

Yup. If Paramount had followed the kind of logic popular in Hollywood today, they would have rebooted the franchise after the initial reaction to STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, and one of the best ST movies ever made would never have existed.

The one where Michelle Nichols does a fan dance?

You know, that one could have been good, a few changes here and there, better effects, more realistic comic relief, better science (the center of the galaxy? come on...).  It was pretty much ruined by going with a cheap special effects company and the studio wanting it to be "more funny like the one with the whales"....  ::)

It's too bad the TNG crew only had one good movie (First Contact), besides the terrible scripts the cast seemed to loose some of the chemistry they had on the show, maybe the TOS crew got it together faster because they had been away from each other longer?  Of course they also had far better stories to work with.

I seem to have blocked out Nemesis nearly completely now, last time I watched it was the week it came out on DVD, Insurrection I may have watched 3 times, same with Generations, First Contact is the only one I've upgraded to Blu-Ray.

Not sure why so many people hate the cast of Enterprise, I really liked two thirds of them, the rest were average.

No matter what Braga and Berman say, These Are The Voyages was a big FU to the fans, the end where we don't get to hear Archers' speech just proves it.  "A valentine to trek" my ass....

Legend goes that the plot was based on a sardonic comment from Harlan Ellison.  The producers wanted a story bur after every pitch they demanded he go bigger.  Harlan gets fed up and says "OK, they go to the edge of space and meet God."  And that's what they go with (surprising that he would take that meeting considering he was still upset about the whole "City on the Edge of Forever" thing.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 27, 2014, 02:47:24 PM
I havent heard that about Harlan Ellison.  Ive heard Gene Roddenberry wanted the Enterprise crew to meet god.  The Star Trek V story was pretty much all on Shatner.  Not sure what Ellison has to be upset about over "City on the Edge of Forever"  I think it was Leonard Nimoy who wrote that Ellison turned in a script that was virtually unfilmable on a tv budget and had to be almost completely re-written but he still got paid for it and credit for writing it.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RVR II on September 27, 2014, 03:13:13 PM
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William Shatner Confirms He Was Contacted About Star Trek 3 And He Would Love To Do It 0

09/27/2014     

Despite tweeting out a denial that anybody had contacted him about Star Trek 3, William Shatner confirmed today that he had indeed been contacted about Star Trek 3 by none other than J.J. Abrams. However, Abrams asked him to keep it a secret, so he hadn’t initially said anything about it.

This weekend, Shatner has been appearing at the Wizard World Nashville Comic Con, which Comicbook.com is covering live.

Shatner said that while he was visiting Australia a couple weeks ago, J.J. Abrams called him from London, where he’s currently shooting Star Wars Episode VII. Shatner said Abrams told him, “I’m calling because the director of Star Trek, the next movie, has had an idea where you might be involved, so I’m calling to find out whether you would be interested.”

Shatner said he told Abrams, “It depends on what you do with the character, but I would be delighted.”

Shatner said that Abrams warned him that he couldn’t say anything to anybody, and Shatner agreed not to even tell his wife.

However, when Shatner got back from Australia, he said, “It’s all over the Internet that the director had held an interview and said they want Shatner and Nimoy to be in the next movie. I’ll bet you J.J.’s frothing at the mouth at this point. So the news is out that they have an idea that they want Leonard and myself…they might want Leonard and myself in it. But I would love to do it. But how do you get me fifty years later into the movie? I mean how do you rationalize it. I know it’s science fiction, but even I couldn’t come up with an idea. So that’s the news on that.”
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on September 27, 2014, 03:16:13 PM
I havent heard that about Harlan Ellison.  Ive heard Gene Roddenberry wanted the Enterprise crew to meet god.  The Star Trek V story was pretty much all on Shatner.  Not sure what Ellison has to be upset about over "City on the Edge of Forever"  I think it was Leonard Nimoy who wrote that Ellison turned in a script that was virtually unfilmable on a tv budget and had to be almost completely re-written but he still got paid for it and credit for writing it.
as I recall Roddenberry said something like "I tried to do a God story and it didn't work". he was opposed to the appearance of God in the film and even more opposed to the appearance of God in familiar Western form. Shatner just kept insisting it would work, it would work. Obviously it didn't. originally in the late 70s Roddenberry's idea was actually a story that was about God and that eventually did end up becoming Star Trek the motion picture. Roddenberrys original concept would have been about how man can pursue his course in history without any need of Gods, able to account for his own behavior without the religiously imposed concepts of fear or divine intervention. at the end of his original draft the crew of the enterprise ended up destroying Jesus Christ and his spaceship, and that's probably not exactly how he had it going but its the most hilarious way I can think of to phrase it.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 27, 2014, 03:35:52 PM
Id love to see Worf and Jesus dueling with bat'leths.   
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 27, 2014, 03:47:29 PM
Id love to see Worf and Jesus dueling with bat'leths.

You know it would just turn out to be a Jesus clone.  Then a long debate about "does it matter HOW he returned?"....
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Toyland Chairman on September 27, 2014, 04:12:39 PM
I can understand Shatner being in this somehow, seeing is this timeline's Kirk probably won't die the same way Shatner's did. But why bother? Nimoy was pretty much shoehorned into the last movie. I don't think Shatner likes cameos either, and it's not necessary to make his older Kirk have any real importance to the plot.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 27, 2014, 04:20:06 PM
Good question...
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on September 27, 2014, 09:35:13 PM
It was Star Trek the Motion Picture that got Gene Roddenberry reduced to "executive consultant". He wasn't happy with anything about Star Trek 2. He would just keep sending memos to Harve Bennett probably saying things like "Riding with Death sucked" or something. It's even been written that Roddenberry was the one who leaked that Spock was going to die in Star Trek 2. Throughout the 80's he kept pushing his Time Travel script which featured the Enterprise crew meeting with JFK and Spock killing him. Maybe there could be a cameo with Magneto trying to save JFK if 20th Century Fox would be willing to hand over limited rights to the character.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Miku Fan on September 27, 2014, 10:18:21 PM
Cerebro
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on September 28, 2014, 11:54:45 PM
I love Trek II. It's my favorite of the movies.  But to pretend that Harve Bennett wasn't at least as big an asshole as Roddenberry had been at times is naive at best, and he had some shit ideas too.  He wanted to do a Starfleet Academy movie. Seriously?
There's something I remember very well from Shatner's book "Up till now". On one occasion during the run of TOS, Leonard Nimoy wanted to get out of work early(an hour and 18 minutes early) to make a public appearance so he had to talk to Roddenberry. Roddenberry was starting something called Lincoln Enterprises(to hock Star Trek merchandise, like the Idic medallion) and told Leonard that he'd have to pay a fee(for representation) in exchange for getting out of work early. In order for this to work, Leonard would have to pay 20% and ultimately Roddenberry told him "Well, you're just going to have to learn how to bow down, and say 'Master'.". Gene Roddenberry also refused to help Leonard with an ongoing lawsuit he had against Paramount over the use of his likeness

Roddenberry and Harold Livingston were constantly battling over re-writes for Star Trek TMP. Roddenberry would just keep re-writing everything Livingston did. Roddenberry had balls, that's for certain. He had to in order for his stunt with agent Irving "Swifty" Lazar to work. He and Harve had different experiences though. Roddenberry's war experiences were in great big bombers, and there was a certain attachment to the ship, hence phrases like "She's hit!" "She's wounded!". With Harve, his war time experience was all with helicopters. If you crashed your copter, you just went out and got another, sound familiar? *cough* Excelsior?

Now, maybe Harve Bennett was an asshole, but it seems to me between all the stories I've heard from reliable first hand sources, Roddenberry seems like he was a pretty damn big asshole himself, a lot of times he seemed overly concerned with merchandising. I would even go so far as to personally call leaving Star Trek in season 3 a real dick move. Yes, I know, he said return Star Trek to its original time slot, or I walk and they called his bluff. In the end, Roddenberry is a lot like George Lucas. He might have great ideas, but he's no writer. From my point of view, a Starfleet Academy movie done right could be very successful, and it in my opinion, it was with the 2009 movie... but let's get away from that. I have no desire to argue about that again, and I'd appreciate if you wouldn't subtly take pot shots at me Imrahil.

Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on September 29, 2014, 12:04:07 AM
And you know what I think of that piece of shit 2009 movie, so I wont' go into it.
I told you, I don't want to argue about that anymore anyway. You know, I did allow that I could be wrong about the quality of those movies, and that involved me pouring my soul out and I didn't think it was fair to take advantage my vulnerability for a cheap insult.

After saying all this though, I have to consider the question: am I just so jaded I love those movies for the wrong reasons? Or do I just love them because there's something seriously wrong with me?
The second one.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 29, 2014, 06:37:36 AM
Its best to have a thick skin around here.  I have to agree with Imrahil though, you can be a titanic dick and still have good ideas about how to run a show.  Also, a Starfleet Academy movie sounds horrible to me, maybe if I was teenager it might appeal to me.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Ben on September 29, 2014, 08:57:18 AM
I can understand Shatner being in this somehow, seeing is this timeline's Kirk probably won't die the same way Shatner's did. But why bother? Nimoy was pretty much shoehorned into the last movie. I don't think Shatner likes cameos either, and it's not necessary to make his older Kirk have any real importance to the plot.

Shatner, Mirror-Kirk, villain. The script practically writes itself.

https://www.youtube.com/v/mcMCNucDzDQ
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RVR II on September 29, 2014, 09:20:29 AM
Its best to have a thick skin around here.
Or metal like Transformers :P
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on September 29, 2014, 09:37:38 AM
Correct.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on September 29, 2014, 08:09:42 PM
Does anybody remember those spiral-bound kids books with individual, interconnecting pages that can be flipped and altered so you can change the story 8 different ways? I think whatever happens with this last Star Trek that at least the DVD give us the rare option of changing the story and the outcome how we as the audience want it. I know, interactive DVD's pretty much suck as entertainment, but I can't help but wonder how a project involving a mainstream big budget Hollywood production would turn out. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on September 30, 2014, 10:55:55 PM
I just had an interesting thought. Star Trek 3 could be a story about the Q showing up to try and change history back to the way it was before. Could be a good movie to re-introduce Trelane back into Star Trek. It should probably also be the movie where everything falls back into place so that the timeline goes back to "normal".
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Ben on October 04, 2014, 01:33:24 PM
"The Angry Video Game Nerd" just posted a video suggesting ten different ideas for how Shatner could return:

http://cinemassacre.com/2014/09/29/top-10-ways-william-shatner-could-return-in-star-trek-3/

Personally speaking, I'd be up for a hybrid of ideas 7 and 10. Pine-Kirk starts experiencing some kind of funky illness thanks to Khan's blood. Quinto-Spock confers with Nimoy-Spock about a cure, and Nimoy-Spock suggests the idea of a transfusion from the "evil Kirk" of the mirror universe reality. Either the Abrams version of the crew travels into the mirror universe to capture Mirror-Shatner, or they find a way to teleport Mirror-Shatner into their own reality. Unfortunately, things get complicated when Mirror-Shatner escapes and mounts his own military coup against the Federation.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RVR II on October 04, 2014, 04:28:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/g5hgt0xrSbo
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on October 06, 2014, 12:29:57 AM
I need to ask something of other Trek fans. I'm not trying to argue, but I am rather looking for affirmation and validation. As you know, I loved the last two Trek films, but there's obviously a part of me that's going bat shit crazy wondering why I love those films and everybody else hates them. I feel like I'm the one asshole in a sea of brilliant minds, the one religious nut job on a planet full of rational human beings... or something. I'm just trying to work out in my head why the hell I can't just trust my own opinion and would rather look for an opinion to endorse my own position from someone with a greater mind.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on October 06, 2014, 04:57:43 AM
Ive been wondering just the opposite.  I cant figure out why so many people like them
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RoninFox on October 06, 2014, 05:20:55 AM
I need to ask something of other Trek fans. I'm not trying to argue, but I am rather looking for affirmation and validation. As you know, I loved the last two Trek films, but there's obviously a part of me that's going bat shit crazy wondering why I love those films and everybody else hates them. I feel like I'm the one asshole in a sea of brilliant minds, the one religious nut job on a planet full of rational human beings... or something. I'm just trying to work out in my head why the hell I can't just trust my own opinion and would rather look for an opinion to endorse my own position from someone with a greater mind.

I get that same feeling about Man of Steel.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RandyMistie on October 06, 2014, 05:22:39 AM
I need to ask something of other Trek fans. I'm not trying to argue, but I am rather looking for affirmation and validation. As you know, I loved the last two Trek films, but there's obviously a part of me that's going bat shit crazy wondering why I love those films and everybody else hates them. I feel like I'm the one asshole in a sea of brilliant minds, the one religious nut job on a planet full of rational human beings... or something. I'm just trying to work out in my head why the hell I can't just trust my own opinion and would rather look for an opinion to endorse my own position from someone with a greater mind.

Do you like Star Wars? So does J.J. He said, "When I was a kid, I was never a fan of Star Trek, I was always a Star Wars fan. All of my brilliant friends were into Star Trek..."

That's why, when I heard he was gonna do Star Wars, I thought, "He's gonna crush it!" He is a pretty good film-maker (better than Lucas, I think) and he will give SW the love it deserves. He may make me enjoy Star Wars, even as a Trekker!

Giving J.J. Trek was like giving Tim Burton "Batman" even as he had never read a comic book in his life, or "Planet of the Apes" even as he admitted hating the original film.

J.J. just didn't get what Trek was about, although he did the best that he could... the casting was good... it was the writing... he don't know from Trek writing...
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 06, 2014, 08:02:09 AM
 Just occurred to me that JJ destroying Vulcan was probably the same for him as the the death star blowing up Alderaan.  Vulcan and it's people meant nothing to JJ, but was an unforgivable sin to those of us that have seen every episode of every series.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Pak-Man on October 06, 2014, 11:56:09 AM
I have a lot of movies that I love despite a large public saying I'm supposed to hate them. The key is remembering that movie-going is a very personal experience, and the exact set of circumstances that led to you seeing and enjoying/hating a movie are yours and yours alone. I know I have a really hard time hating a movie when I'm on a date with Tyrant, because life is generally groovier with her around. While most of the world forgot about James and the Giant Peach, it ended up being one of my favorite movies ever because I'd had a rough month and it was exactly the movie I needed to see. While most of the world reviles them, I enjoy the latter 2 Star Wars prequels because I saw them for the first time when I was dating, and shortly after marying, Tyrant, so there was a lot of feel-good juice coursing through my blood when I saw them, and watching them takes me back to then.

State of mind is everything when you're seeing a movie. I'm sure if I stumbled on it on TV, or if someone pulled me out of my routine to watch Van Helsing, I'd hate it with the rest of the world. Instead, because I was in just the right frame of mind when I saw it, I find it to be enjoyable. Not GREAT, but not bad by a long shot.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Darth Geek on October 06, 2014, 03:55:25 PM
I have a lot of movies that I love despite a large public saying I'm supposed to hate them. The key is remembering that movie-going is a very personal experience, and the exact set of circumstances that led to you seeing and enjoying/hating a movie are yours and yours alone. I know I have a really hard time hating a movie when I'm on a date with Tyrant, because life is generally groovier with her around. While most of the world forgot about James and the Giant Peach, it ended up being one of my favorite movies ever because I'd had a rough month and it was exactly the movie I needed to see. While most of the world reviles them, I enjoy the latter 2 Star Wars prequels because I saw them for the first time when I was dating, and shortly after marying, Tyrant, so there was a lot of feel-good juice coursing through my blood when I saw them, and watching them takes me back to then.

State of mind is everything when you're seeing a movie. I'm sure if I stumbled on it on TV, or if someone pulled me out of my routine to watch Van Helsing, I'd hate it with the rest of the world. Instead, because I was in just the right frame of mind when I saw it, I find it to be enjoyable. Not GREAT, but not bad by a long shot.
So..."I was about to get some." = "Great movie" then. Got it.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RandyMistie on October 06, 2014, 04:02:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/g5hgt0xrSbo

OMG! That is me as a kid... how did I ever get laid!
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Ben on October 06, 2014, 09:12:54 PM
Looks like the Shat has hit the fan.

Quote
I'm baaaaccckk!!!
— William Shatner (@WilliamShatner) October 7, 2014
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Darth Geek on October 06, 2014, 10:04:31 PM
Oh shat.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: ScottotD on October 07, 2014, 01:41:05 AM
I need to ask something of other Trek fans. I'm not trying to argue, but I am rather looking for affirmation and validation. As you know, I loved the last two Trek films, but there's obviously a part of me that's going bat shit crazy wondering why I love those films and everybody else hates them. I feel like I'm the one asshole in a sea of brilliant minds, the one religious nut job on a planet full of rational human beings... or something. I'm just trying to work out in my head why the hell I can't just trust my own opinion and would rather look for an opinion to endorse my own position from someone with a greater mind.

I think they're both great too, trust your opinion.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Ben on October 09, 2014, 10:23:22 PM
Sorry, everyone. False alarm. It turns out Shatner's tweet was actually him talking about returning to L.A. after a weekend in London.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: doggans on October 11, 2014, 09:41:13 AM
So..."I was about to get some." = "Great movie" then. Got it.

because I was in just the right frame of mind when I saw it, I find it to be enjoyable. Not GREAT

Yay, reading comprehension!
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on October 11, 2014, 10:29:31 AM
So much for the next movie SHATtering my expectations.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RVR II on December 22, 2014, 05:14:17 PM
http://comicbook.com/2014/12/23/star-trek-3-gets-fast-furious-director-lin/
 :o
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Darth Geek on December 22, 2014, 06:46:38 PM
http://comicbook.com/2014/12/23/star-trek-3-gets-fast-furious-director-lin/
 :o
Well...they do say he's directed Community and True Detective episodes so at least he's shown range.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Sideswipe on December 22, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
Trek & Trekkier: Andoria Drift.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: doggans on December 22, 2014, 09:55:13 PM
Honestly, the only works of his I've seen are his Community episodes, so...I hope Star Trek 3 has a lot of paintball.

And hey, last time Community directors took over a major franchise, we got Winter Soldier! This'll be totally the same scenario, right?
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RVR II on December 22, 2014, 09:58:15 PM
I'm picturing the Enterprise drag racing a bird of prey or some shit like that.. ???
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: ScottotD on December 22, 2014, 10:28:01 PM
Cool choice, his community eps were amazing and the FF movies are the best popcorn action movies not being made by Marvel. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on January 03, 2015, 08:59:22 PM
FF movies are the best popcorn action movies not being made by Marvel.
What? Fantastic four? Since when did Tim Story get involved? Or did you mean Final Fantasy? In either case, it's not good news.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: ScottotD on January 03, 2015, 09:18:15 PM
FF movies are the best popcorn action movies not being made by Marvel.
What? Fantastic four? Since when did Tim Story get involved? Or did you mean Final Fantasy? In either case, it's not good news.

Fast & Furious  :)
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on January 05, 2015, 10:12:51 AM
Fast & Furious  :)
That was my third guess. If Paramount has any good sense at all, Star Trek 3 will be delayed until somebody finally comes to their senses and hires Nick Meyer to come back and write it while Alphonso Cuaron directs.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Darth Geek on January 05, 2015, 10:44:16 AM
I'd rather see Edgar Wright given a shot at it.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Soguru on January 05, 2015, 07:14:01 PM
I'd rather see Edgar Wright given a shot at it.
I'm all for that too. Let's just hope nobody re-writes his film this time...  :grr:
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Darth Geek on January 05, 2015, 07:23:05 PM
I'd rather see Edgar Wright given a shot at it.
I'm all for that too. Let's just hope nobody re-writes his film this time...  :grr:
Yeah, he works best when he has control of the scriptwriting.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: RVR II on February 23, 2015, 11:30:28 AM
OH NOES!!  :speechless:
Quote
Leonard Nimoy Hospitalized for Severe Chest Pains
3 minutes ago BY TMZ STAFF
EXCLUSIVE

Leonard Nimoy Hospitalized

Leonard Nimoy was rushed to the hospital after severe chest pains prompted a 911 call ... TMZ has learned.

Law enforcement sources say the legendary "Star Trek" star was transported to UCLA Medical Center last Thursday.

We're told paramedics weren't taking chances with Commander Spock and got him in front of a doctor ASAP. Nimoy's been in and out of hospitals multiple times in the last few months.

Nimoy announced he was suffering from COPD back in 2014, and even though he quit smoking more than 30 years ago ... he blames his illness on decades of lighting up.

We've reached out to Nimoy's rep for comment ... but no word back yet.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/23/leonard-nimoy-hospitalized-chest-pains-rushed-hospital/#ixzz3Sb9CqiEY
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with Spoooock and The Shat??
Post by: Henry88 on February 23, 2015, 11:34:45 AM
OH NOES!!  :speechless:
Quote
Leonard Nimoy Hospitalized for Severe Chest Pains
3 minutes ago BY TMZ STAFF
EXCLUSIVE

Leonard Nimoy Hospitalized

Leonard Nimoy was rushed to the hospital after severe chest pains prompted a 911 call ... TMZ has learned.

Law enforcement sources say the legendary "Star Trek" star was transported to UCLA Medical Center last Thursday.

We're told paramedics weren't taking chances with Commander Spock and got him in front of a doctor ASAP. Nimoy's been in and out of hospitals multiple times in the last few months.

Nimoy announced he was suffering from COPD back in 2014, and even though he quit smoking more than 30 years ago ... he blames his illness on decades of lighting up.

We've reached out to Nimoy's rep for comment ... but no word back yet.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/23/leonard-nimoy-hospitalized-chest-pains-rushed-hospital/#ixzz3Sb9CqiEY


*sigh* we all saw this coming.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with (without Spoooock) The Shat??
Post by: Henry88 on April 23, 2016, 08:00:49 AM
'Star Trek Beyond' to Ask the Big Questions About Series' Set-Up (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-trek-beyond-ask-big-886975)
What does it all mean?
Quote
Talking to Empire (http://www.empireonline.com/people/idris-elba/exclusive-simon-pegg-talks-star-trek-beyond/), director Justin Lin said, "This is the 50th anniversary. I felt like it was important to really deconstruct the idea of Star Trek, the idea of the Federation and why it’s special. We’ll really be poking at a lot of different things."


(http://i.imgur.com/17c0O.gif)
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with (without Spoooock) The Shat??
Post by: ScottotD on April 24, 2016, 04:26:21 AM
'Star Trek Beyond' to Ask the Big Questions About Series' Set-Up (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-trek-beyond-ask-big-886975)
What does it all mean?
Quote
Talking to Empire (http://www.empireonline.com/people/idris-elba/exclusive-simon-pegg-talks-star-trek-beyond/), director Justin Lin said, "This is the 50th anniversary. I felt like it was important to really deconstruct the idea of Star Trek, the idea of the Federation and why it’s special. We’ll really be poking at a lot of different things."


(http://i.imgur.com/17c0O.gif)

I have no idea what point you're making
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with (without Spoooock) The Shat??
Post by: Henry88 on April 24, 2016, 08:22:37 AM
'Star Trek Beyond' to Ask the Big Questions About Series' Set-Up (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-trek-beyond-ask-big-886975)
What does it all mean?
Quote
Talking to Empire (http://www.empireonline.com/people/idris-elba/exclusive-simon-pegg-talks-star-trek-beyond/), director Justin Lin said, "This is the 50th anniversary. I felt like it was important to really deconstruct the idea of Star Trek, the idea of the Federation and why it’s special. We’ll really be poking at a lot of different things."


(http://i.imgur.com/17c0O.gif)

I have no idea what point you're making

i hate deconstructions
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with (without Spoooock) The Shat??
Post by: RoninFox on April 25, 2016, 05:55:10 AM
Deconstructions are like any other device, they can be used extremely well, or horribly, or anything inbetween. At this stage in the new movie series a deconstruction of the Star Trek concept sounds like a better idea than another action movie plot with old Trek refferences mixed in.

Not saying that as a bash on the other movies, I liked them, but I do want to see things go more toward the Trek I gew up with, and if they successfully deconstruct the concept that will mean actually closely examining it.
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with (without Spoooock) The Shat??
Post by: ScottotD on April 25, 2016, 07:48:44 PM
Deconstructions are like any other device, they can be used extremely well, or horribly, or anything inbetween. At this stage in the new movie series a deconstruction of the Star Trek concept sounds like a better idea than another action movie plot with old Trek refferences mixed in.

Not saying that as a bash on the other movies, I liked them, but I do want to see things go more toward the Trek I grew up with, and if they successfully deconstruct the concept that will mean actually closely examining it.

So you want the movies to be worse?  :rimshot:
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with (without Spoooock) The Shat??
Post by: The Lurker on May 24, 2016, 09:42:58 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/x57IOoP.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with (without Spoooock) The Shat??
Post by: Henry88 on May 25, 2016, 09:23:37 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/rR7m8u6.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Trek 3 with (without Spoooock) The Shat??
Post by: RoninFox on May 25, 2016, 09:27:11 AM
One one hand, I like the style there. On the other hand, they're invoking a movie with a far better poster than finished film.