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Title: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 07:51:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/wdtr1GiEPpg

Howdy, fellow travelers into the unknown.  The votes are all counted by a super-robot who achieved sentience, decided that counting the votes of which TV shows are liked by members of an internet forum group are a waste of his newfound omniscience, and escaped.  So I counted them.

Anyway, I'm really happy with how this list turned out.  Even though there were a few people who weren't able to participate, we still got in 18 lists this time around!  That's the most we've had in quite a while.  I hope to see more of this kind of interest... IN THE FUTURE.

Anyway, we have a great list.  Here's how the thing is set up.  Of course, you will see the numbers, the pictures, a description of the show, an opening sequence and such.  I also included an episode considered to be great (in the cases of shows I haven't seen, I had to take a stab so please feel free to correct me) and a "big idea" that the show gets to explore by doing something new or maybe something old in an interesting way.

For those wondering, yes, there is a tie.  But only one.  Which is very rare for these lists.

Today we have lots of fun stuff: cartoons, secret agents, space adventures and a sitcom!  So sit back and relax for...

THE TOP 50 SCI-FI TV SERIES AS VOTED BY YOU!

https://www.youtube.com/v/3ULhiVqeF5U
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 07:54:58 AM
Number 50
(http://www.syfy.co.uk/sites/syfy.co.uk/files/styles/show_keyart_560x280/public/Show-ImageWarehouse-13-S4---Warehouse-13-Logo.png?itok=19MnX_39)
26 Points, 3 of 18 lists, #16 MartyS (Gromit)
I like to think of it as America's attic.
https://www.youtube.com/v/FuzqbduwSw8

The Premise
When US Secret Service Agents Myka Bering and Pete Lattimer are reassigned to warehouse in a small town in South Dakota, they assume it is a demotion.  Soon they learn quite the opposite: they are now responsible for a warehouse charged with collecting, protecting, studying and cataloguing paranormal artifacts with unique properties.

Great Episode
Time Will Tell
Former Warehouse employee H.G. Wells has just escaped and immediately begins causing a lot of trouble for the team.  Aside from being a good episode, this introduces a major character in the show’s mythology

Big Ideas   
What is it like to live in a town that houses the strangest and most powerful artifacts in the world?  “Beyond Our Control” looks at that and features a case where the team faces gladiators, marines and mad scientists start to appear, somehow escaping from a B-Movie Marathon.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 09:05:47 AM
Number 49
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130409033444/gravityfalls/images/9/91/Gravity_falls_postcard_logo.jpg)
27 Points, 2 of 18 lists, #10 K1
Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, bye.
https://www.youtube.com/v/X2DUpDxFJyg

The Premise
When twin siblings Mabel and Dipper are sent to spend the summer with their great uncle Stan in Gravity Falls, Oregon, they soon find that the town is a hotbed for paranormal phenomena.  Soon the two decide to spend their summer unearthing both the mysteries of Gravity Falls and of growing up, including how does one woo a girl 3 years older than you, how do you stop an escaped video game character and what is that thing behind the vending machine.

Great Episode
Gideon Rises
All seems lost when town villain Gideon takes over the Mystery Shack and seems to have the entire town under his sway.  With his home taken, Grunkle Stan considers sending the kids home.  But in their darkest hour, what seems like the end of the Summer is the beginning of an even bigger adventure.  This epic season finale both answers and raises questions, as well as allowing Dipper to become a true hero and deepening the series mythology.

Big Ideas   
Where do boy bands come from?  In “Boyz Crazy”, Mabel and Dipper discover that the next big band, Sev’ral Timez, is in fact genetically engineered to be the best boy band of all time and that they now need to be taught how to survive outside of the stage.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 09:16:17 AM
BTW, I can't stop watching that Gravity Falls intro.  Great opening.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 24, 2014, 09:34:25 AM
Could you also include information on when the TV show aired?
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 24, 2014, 09:52:46 AM
This should be interesting, to see how many I haven't seen.
I'd not heard of Gravity Falls before.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: CJones on June 24, 2014, 09:59:00 AM
Damn, I can already see my #1 won't make it. Not unless by some miracle someone else also voted for it too.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Space version 2.0 on June 24, 2014, 10:20:41 AM
I'm mostly hoping my #4 made it. I'm sure there's enough Harmon fans here to make it.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Pak-Man on June 24, 2014, 10:28:38 AM
I'm not a Harmon fan (yet!) but I think I've got you covered. :^)
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: ColeStratton on June 24, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
I'm mostly hoping my #4 made it. I'm sure there's enough Harmon fans here to make it.

Shit. Is that Heat Vision and Jack? Cuz I would have totally included that if I had thought of it. RIP Ron Silver.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 24, 2014, 11:30:15 AM
I'm mostly hoping my #4 made it. I'm sure there's enough Harmon fans here to make it.

I don't think NCIS counts as Sci Fi does it?
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 12:35:51 PM
It's certainly more implausible.

BTW, I'm making a list of cool sci-fi TV show openings for shows no one voted for.  Heat Vision and Jack is totally going on that!  I'll present it by evening's end.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 12:37:38 PM
Number 48
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/5063b09ee4b016af496f9ae8/506b3734e4b05bd25362afd9/509ef41ce4b039333cb48739/?format=1000w)
27 Points, 2 of 18 lists, #8 Pak Man
There's always a choice! To live in fear is no life at all!
https://www.youtube.com/v/i5chHfK6sCc

The Premise
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, a war rages between the Galactic Republic and a separatist movement known as the Confederation of Independent Systems.  Though the Confederation has a vast army of battle droids, the Republic has the Jedi Knights, powerful mystics trained in battle, and an army of clones based one of the deadliest bounty hunters in the galaxy.  But something waits in the shadows that threatens the Republic… from within.

Great Episode
The Wrong Jedi
Ahsoka is in a bad spot; framed for a crime she did not commit, she has been cast out of the Jedi Council and the upcoming trial looks hopeless.  While Anakin quests to prove her innocence, Ahsoka finds that whatever the outcome, things will never be the same.  This season 5 finale reveals the final fate of a major character and acts as a series finale (until season 6 was picked up by Netflix).

Big Ideas   
In the Star Wars films, the clone troopers were pretty interchangeable, but the episode “Rookies” explores the life of a clone trooper during a particularly dangerous battle where the audience gets to see that these clones might share the same genetic template, but are very different people.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Space version 2.0 on June 24, 2014, 12:57:49 PM
It's certainly more implausible.

BTW, I'm making a list of cool sci-fi TV show openings for shows no one voted for.  Heat Vision and Jack is totally going on that!  I'll present it by evening's end.

I thought he was making some joke that was just going over my head. Apparently it's just something I need to look in to.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 01:07:45 PM
Number 47

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Lexx_Logo.jpg)
27 Points, 2 of 18 lists, #2 George Harrison
I am Kai, last of the Brunnen-G. Millennia ago, the Brunnen-G led humanity to victory in the war against the Insect civilization. The Time Prophet predicted that I would be the one to destroy the Divine Order and the League of 20,000 Planets. Some day, that will happen… but not today, as today is my day of death. The day our story begins.
https://www.youtube.com/v/_2u2Cj16ufA

The Premise
Stanley Tweedle was a freedom fighter who was captured and interrogated, leading to the fall of the resistance and turning him into a low ranking security guard for the very empire he fought against. Zev was a love slave raised in a box who was rejected by her husband for being too ugly and sentenced to genetic and mental modification.  Kai is an undead assassin who was once a noble poet and warrior.  All of these people end up finding freedom from their oppressors when Stanley accidentally ends up with the key to the Lexx, the most powerful weapon in the universe.  As the new crew searches for comfort and love (or at least sex), they find that freedom does not guarantee safety in a cruel, dark universe.

Great Episode
The Game
It’s a cliché to use chess as a short hand for a battle of wits, but not many would dedicate an entire episode to an actual match.  When Kai is offered a chance to regain his humanity from arch-villain Prince (who is basically Satan), Kai accepts, risking the lives of his friends.  Now the two play a match with their allies being used as literal chess pieces in a tense, bloody, board game battle.

Big Ideas   
Some sci-fi shows threaten to end the universe, but Lexx follows through in the episode “The End of the Universe”, as the crew find themselves the last things in the universe after the entity known as Mantrid converts all matter in the universe into part of his army of robot arms.  With little hope of survival, the Lexx crew has only one chance to destroy him before he starts travelling to the other universe; have Mantrid chase them to the centre of the universe and allowing him to bring enough mass to create a Big Crunch.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 02:03:44 PM
Number 46
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Eureka_title_card.jpg)
27 Points, 3 of 18 lists, #14 MartyS (Gromit)
This is a really weird town. But I like it. Kinda.
https://www.youtube.com/v/9Rx-2VFc8EQ

The Premise
When US Marshal Jack Carter finds himself in the small town of Eureka, he discovers that the town is actually a secret community for geniuses to pursue their experiments for the government’s benefit.  Soon Carter finds himself becoming a sheriff and solving various mysteries involving experiments gone awry and strange conspiracies.

Great Episode
Founder’s Day
During the celebration of the town’s founding, Carter and several townsfolk are sent back in time to meet the actual founders.  However, what starts out as a fun romp has serious consequences (both good and bad) and find that their trip caused some serious changes in time.  And this isn’t one of those kinds that are turned back to normal the next episode.  Some serious ramifications in this one.

Big Ideas   
Well, not big per se, but there is a charm in the episode “Best in Faux”.  Of course, it makes perfect sense that if super scientists are going to a dog show, it will be with dogs they made for the annual robot dog show.  Unfortunately, dogs start exploding and Carter looks to solve the mystery, where the stakes are bigger than you might expect from a mystery that involves exploding robot dogs.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 04:18:42 PM
Number 45
(http://www.captainwilliams.co.uk/3rdrock/images/3rdrocklogo.jpg)
  28 Points, 5 of 18 lists, #13 Space Version 2.0
I think we've underestimated the life on this planet. The people have so much courage. Here they are hurling through space on a molten rock at 67,000 miles an hour and the only thing that keeps them from flying out of their shoes is their misplaced faith in gravity.
https://www.youtube.com/v/gnIsFjO5ExQ

The Premise
Alien explorers have come to Earth to understand both the planet and its inhabitants better.  Disguised as a human family Dick Solomon (the High Commander), his “sister” Sally (the Security Officer), his “son” Tommy (the Information Officer) and his “brother” Harry (the Communications Officer) try to adapt to life on Earth and learn what they can about the human experience.
French Stewart is tolerated.

Great Episode
Dick and the Other Guy
Dick finally meets someone as brilliant, eccentric and arrogant as himself and the two become fast friends.  However, when he starts to prove himself superior in all of those areas, Dick becomes jealous.  Basically, this is just an excuse to watch John Cleese and John Lithgow bounce off of each other.  And who doesn’t want to see that?

Big Ideas   
If you’ve never even heard of the concept of dreaming, how would you feel if it started to happen?  In “A Nightmare on Dick Street”, the Solomons start having dreams for the first time.  They fear they are going insane and threaten to call off the mission to save their sanity.  When Dick finally learns that all human
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 04:57:54 PM
Number 44
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080506230031/bionic/images/1/1f/Titlecard-bionicwoman.jpg)
  30 Points, 2 of 18 lists, #5 Villa Allegra
Well, all women like to think they’re a little unique.
https://www.youtube.com/v/4Wd6IuVya4M

The Premise
When former tennis pro Jaime Sommers is near death after a skydiving accident, Oscar Goldman has her operated on and not only saved but turned into a super-human with bionic augmentations.  Now, Jaime leads a double life as both a Junior High School Teacher and an agent for the Office of Scientific Intelligence.

Great Episode
Angel of Mercy
Jaime is tasked with rescuing a UN ambassador with the help of a gruff helicopter pilot who is also Andy Griffith.  The pilot doesn’t think a fragile female is cut out for field work, but Jaime is about to show him that it isn’t just bionics that make the hero.

Big Ideas   
There is a bionic dog.  Enough said.
https://www.youtube.com/v/80p6DQMh6kY
Also, that small child is an idiot.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 05:31:35 PM
Number 43
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/60/c3/60c39500d3ebf98d54ae76cfeac08d23.jpg?itok=PZ3ungTP)
  31 Points, 3 of 18 lists, #7 Tripe
Nobody's indispensable.
https://www.youtube.com/v/pnautWFuEnQ

The Premise   
Roj Blake is a model citizen.  He works to serve the federation, like every good citizen.  But four years prior he was a part of the resistance, denouncing the Terran Federation as a corrupt and oppressive force in the galaxy.  When resistance members reveal this to Blake, the Federation murders them and fearing that Blake might cause trouble again, frame him for child molestation and sentence him to be imprisoned on Cygnus Alpha.  Blake’s passion and anger are reignited and he escapes during the journey to Cygnus Alpha and begins assembling a crew of 6 more criminals and renegades to wage a war on the Federation.

Great Episode
Blake
In this ballsy, scorched-earth series finale, the crew of the Liberator has been fighting the Federation without Blake for a long time.  But now, they’ve decided they need him back and find him posing as a bounty hunter.  Soon, things turn out to be far more complicated than anyone expected and things get out of control fast.

Big Ideas   
The first episode actually throws some big ideas in early, making Blake’s 7 a truly unique sci-fi show that acts as an inversion of Star Trek in which a group of criminals must battle a dystopian federation.  In “The Way Back”, our hero is a pawn of an evil empire in true 1984/Repent Harlequin fashion and while that’s where those stories end, this one begins.  Another bold move is to have the hero of your space opera accused of child molestation.  It’s one thing if it was theft or even terrorism as it would be possible to find sympathizers, but this crime gives him a mark that makes him a villain in the eyes of most, giving even more difficulty in his uphill battle against the federation.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 24, 2014, 06:00:22 PM
Everyone knows Blake's Seven had dodgy effects but it had great ideas and writing and ensemble chemistry, just an awesome show. :)

Oh and Blake is the first episode I remember watching.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 06:03:14 PM
Yeah, I've always meant to watch it.  It sounds incredible (and I have a thing for good anti-authoritarianism sci-fi, which will come up later!)
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 06:48:09 PM
Number 42
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Stargate_Atlantis_intro.jpg)
  33 Points, 2 of 18 lists, #9 MartyS (Gromit)
I don't know anything about Atlantis ... except that it was a fairly mediocre Donovan song, not one of my favourites.
https://www.youtube.com/v/jxlF-iaZm6g

The Premise
Atlantis is real… and on another world.  An international team of scientists and soldiers find a way to travel to this world to explore it, only to find themselves and the Earth targeted by a race called the Wraiths, who are already feeding on humans on other worlds.  Now the Atlantis team must protect Atlantis or allow monstrous aliens to devour humanity.

Great Episode
The Rising
This two-part series premiere establishes the new characters and status quo as the Atlantis Expedition has their first run in with the Wraith and manages to demonstrate quickly how it is a different series than it’s predecessor.

Big Ideas      
In “The Shrine”, Dr. Rodney McKay finds himself infected with “Second Childhood”, which is slowly reverting him to an infantile state and forcing the rest of the team to take desperate measures to save him in this Nebula award nominated script.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 24, 2014, 07:33:22 PM
Yikes, these last 2 that far down on the list, I have a feeling I'm not going to agree with quite a few higher placed ones. 
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 07:41:44 PM
Number 41
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120415022308/logopedia/images/1/13/1966_Batman_titlecard.jpg)
  35 Points, 2 of 18 lists, #2 K1
I don't know who he is beneath that mask of his, but I know when we need him, and we need him now!
https://www.youtube.com/v/UAstFcVDwiI

The Premise
Batman and Robin are masked crimefighters who battle insane criminals such as the Joker, The Penguin and… Egghead?  But no matter who threatens Gotham City, Batman and Robin will be there, secretly living double lives as millionaire Bruce Wayne and his young ward Dick Grayson.
 
Great Episode
Death in Slow Motion/The Riddler’s False Notion
Ceasar Romero is great as the secretly mustachioed Joker, but you can’t beat Frank Gorshin’s Riddler.  Here his plots are about silent films while he intends to film his own silent film, predating basically every stupid movie about villains filming their crimes… except Peeping Tom, of course.  And both he and Riddler needed to work a lot harder to do it back them.

Big Ideas   
In “Zodiac Crime/The Joker’s Hard Times/The Penguin Declines”, we see Gotham’s criminal’s teaming up for their most insidious plan yet… turning the water supply into strawberry gelatin.  Best. Plan. Ever!
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 07:42:32 PM
That's it for today, but in a little bit, I'll post some neat opening credits sequences to some shows that weren't even voted on.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2014, 08:47:26 PM
Now here are some neat TV themes from shows that no one voted for.

First, let's start with the one that made me think of this, the theme to the British adventure series The Tomorrow People.  Nice and spooky, I love it.  I barely remember the show though, except for a scene with a melting Hitler.  They remade the show last year but it became more of a generic "hunky teens with super-powers" show.  Nothing against hunky teens with super-powers, it just didn't look to interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/v/xez4o1ujOPI

Speaking about teens with super-powers, the first half of the theme of Misfits of Science is kind of neat, until it gets to generic 80's stuff.  Cyndi Lauper, you are not.

https://www.youtube.com/v/WRZWKfeN1u4

Again with teens.  Batman Beyond wasn't a bad show, but it had the misfortune as not being the previous Batman show.  It had it's moments but it never quite lived up to it's awesome opening, created by now famed comic creator Darwyn Cooke.

https://www.youtube.com/v/VFsvQNt2bIE

Now some other cartoons, this one a morose anime cyber-thriller with a really great theme.  Very 90's (though I think the show came out in 2000).

https://www.youtube.com/v/NDAeOatiooM

Not a great show, but I did like the idea that the hero was an immortal (though I don't think they did enough with that premise) and the cheesy ending theme song.  I like it better without the lyrics, though.  Also, I like his facial expressions, like he really doesn't want to be doing this (especially with the snake)

https://www.youtube.com/v/IXvfNJIOzxg
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: ScottotD on June 24, 2014, 09:37:11 PM
I'm mostly hoping my #4 made it. I'm sure there's enough Harmon fans here to make it.

Shit. Is that Heat Vision and Jack? Cuz I would have totally included that if I had thought of it. RIP Ron Silver.

I forgot it too  :-[
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MightyJack on June 24, 2014, 09:57:34 PM
Number 47

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Lexx_Logo.jpg)
27 Points, 2 of 18 lists, #2 George Harrison

Ah, the anti-Trek, it took sci-fi tropes and subverted the hell out of them. My ex-wife hated this thing, thought it was in bad taste (it was) and couldn’t understand how I could love that slimy Stanley Tweedle, how I could laugh over that perverted robot head, 790. But that was the appeal. I loved the black comedy, the perfect casting, how the stories would seem to head right, then take a left… and maybe it was my Devo brain, ugly was pretty, you know.

Though there were a few gems, I thought it went to hell in its final season. But I figured most of my favorites on this list either had slow starts, or were cancelled before they even got started or jumped the shark at the end. So I just ranked ‘em based on when I loved them most. And the first 2 seasons of Lexx were irreverent, nuts, way cool (Kai), sexy (Zev/Xev) and pure bliss.

And it actually developed a heart in this oddball group. Even arch traitor Tweedle found a backbone at times, when it came to looking out for his friends. Guess it wasn't completely subversive after all.

Glad to see this made it. I also had Bionic Woman and Batman on my list. So I've contributed a few.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 25, 2014, 03:32:02 AM
Given my list (especially another one that's hopefully going to show up later) you'd think The Tomorrow People would be certain of a vote from me but, while the concept is good, I just never liked an episode.

There was a renake from the 90s you might want to check out though.

I should watch some episodes of Lexx again.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2014, 04:49:40 AM
Oops, completely forgot this one.  Heat Vision and Jack, a TV pilot created by Rob Shrab (creator of Scud, the Disposable Assassin) and Dan Harmon.  Never picked up beyond the pilot, it's a spoof of/love letter to cheesy 70's/80's sci-fi shows like the Six Million Dollar Man and Knight Rider with Jack Black as Jack Austin, the World's Smartest Man and Owen Wilson as Heat Vision, the talking motorcycle.

https://www.youtube.com/v/nPaXZ5ow_q8
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2014, 07:28:42 AM
Today, cyberpunk, funny cartoons, retro fun and a tie between two spin-offs!
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2014, 07:30:49 AM
Number 40
(http://www.dvdizzy.com/images/t-v/tick1-01.jpg)
  35 Points, 3 of 18 lists, #9 K1
You aren’t going crazy.  You’re going sane in a crazy world!
https://www.youtube.com/v/jaZZyhqWhrE

The Premise
When meek Arthur quits his accounting job to become a crime fighter, he quickly meets the new super-hero in a town crowded with super-heroes: the Tick.  The two soon become allies, but it becomes quickly apparent that the child-like, nigh-invulnerable super-hero might not have the tightest grasp on reality.  But with the Tick’s brawn and Arthur’s… sanity, the two are the only hope against super-criminals like The Terror, The Breadmaster and Chairface Chippendale.

Great Episode
That Moustache Feeling
When the Tick wakes up one day and finds himself sporting a moustache, he falls in love, quickly obsessing over it and annoying everyone with his boasting.  But things take a turn when the moustache starts attacking him and sending notes in a crazy moon language (AKA Spanish) he begins to fear the rogue facial hair.  But what does this have to do with the mysterious Jim Rage and his agents of S.H.A.V.E.

Big Ideas   
Even space gods can get lonely.  In “Alone Together”, the Tick is accidentally blown into deep space and runs into Omnipotus, an immense planet-eating space god.  Soon the two strike a deal: the Tick becomes Omnipotus’ personal groomer/janitor and Omnipotus returns the Tick to Earth.  But when Omnipotus finally arrives, the Tick realizes that Omnipotus wants to devour the Earth.  Can the hunger of a depressed planet-eater truly be sated by the power of friendship, fiddler crabs and macaroni pictures?
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Pak-Man on June 25, 2014, 07:44:04 AM
Ahh. You know I love the Tick, but I just couldn't put that one on a list of Sci-Fi. It had moments, but most of the superheroes were just super because they were. There wasn't much attempt to science it up. You didn't need to understand how the Indigestable Man became indigestible, or how Chairface ended up with a chair for a face. You were just supposed to muse at the fact that someone had those features.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 25, 2014, 07:46:31 AM
Yeah most of them are more like those Real World Superheroes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-life_superhero), it's not even like they're mutants, they're just a bunch of dorks in costume or with deformities.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2014, 10:03:16 AM
Number 39a
(http://media.agonybooth.com/images/trek/voy_title.jpg)
  35 Points, 4 0f 18 lists, #13 MartyS (Gromit)
We often fear what we do not understand. Our best defense... is knowledge.
https://www.youtube.com/v/gX9FU8bmxQs

The Premise
When the Starfleet Federation’s USS Voyager and a Maquis vessel are shot far across the universe into the Delta Quadrant, the two crews are forced to work together to get home in unexplored territory, 75 years from home.

Great Episode
Year of Hell   
The Voyager crew looks to solve a war between two alien races that escalates when they find an enemy that can manipulate time, slowly destroying the Voyager in its crew in this two-part epic.  Though things go back to normal by the end, we do get to see the crew pushed to their limits and takes advantage of the fact that this is one small ship far from home and from help.

Big Ideas   
In "Latent Memories", the Doctor, a hardlight hologram and the crew’s medical AI, learns that he has missing memories, the truth of which lead to an emotional breakdown that might threaten the crew.  The best option might be to shut the Doctor down, but does the crew have the right to do that to a sentient crew member designed for the best interest of the ship?
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2014, 11:19:20 AM
 
Number 39b
(http://www.historyvortex.org/Torchwoodtitle.jpg)
  35 Points, 4 of 18 lists, #13 Goflyblind
Torchwood: outside the government, beyond the police. Tracking down alien life on Earth, arming the human race against the future. The twenty-first century is when everything changes. And you've got to be ready.
https://www.youtube.com/v/ZA0qwPnjkOo

The Premise
Torchwood is a secret government program designed to defend against alien threats by any means possible.  When Torchwood is forced to rebuild after being decimated by alien forces, they bring in time travelling Captain Jack Harkness to help lead the new team from threats both alien and terrestrial (but also strange) from their base located under a time riff in Cardiff.

Great Episode
Children of Earth
This one is a bit of a cheat since it is a mini-series, but it makes for one story.  When the children of the world stop in their tracks and proclaim “we are coming”, the Torchwood team gets involved in a case where aliens are offering to save millions of live from a deadly virus in exchange for 12 children.  Will Torchwood be willing to make the trade or will they risk the lives of millions to save 12?

Big Ideas   
In the final mini-series, Miracle Day starts off with “The New World” in which what remains of Torchwood is brought back together when Earth faces a new threat: no one is dying.  With death no longer occurring on Earth, those who should die are in suffering and the world has changed completely.  Meanwhile, Torchwood’s Jack Harkness discovers that he is now mortal.  Can Jack bring death back to Earth or will the Earth become unsustainable within four months, creating a fate literally worse than death.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2014, 12:00:38 PM
Number 38
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Battlestar_Galactica_1978_-_intro.jpg)
  35 Points, 5 of 18 lists, #15 CJones & Imrahil
Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar Galactica leads a rag-tag fugitive fleet on a lonely quest... a shining planet known as Earth.
https://www.youtube.com/v/xHD1uPVkyk0

The Premise
The Galactica is the last surviving warship in a space fleet destroyed by the robots known as the Cylon.  With things looking grim, the Galactica quests to find the mysterious 13th colony and escape the Cylons.  The only thing that is known is the name of the colony’s world: Earth.

Great Episode
The Living Legend
Commander Adama discovers that there is another Battlestar still alive: the Battlestar Pegasus.  With the two Battlestars, humanity seems to have a better chance of surviving, but soon the loyalty to the two captains divides the troops and threatens to leave them weak to Cylon attack.

Big Ideas   
At the end of the final episode of the original series, “Hand of God”, features Galactica’s heroes using the Cylon’s own ship to take out the enemy, but the big twist at the end has nothing to do with that, revealing that the Galactica actually almost contacted Earth, missing signals from the Apollo 11 landing, revealing that the series may not take place in the future after all (or course, they could have been very old signals, but who cares.  Also, let’s forget about Galactica 1980).
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: goflyblind on June 25, 2014, 12:08:43 PM
i love the tick, but i don't consider it sci-fi.

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Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 25, 2014, 12:46:02 PM

Big Ideas   
In the final mini-series, Miracle Day starts off with “The New World” in which what remains of Torchwood is brought back together when Earth faces a new threat: no one is dying.  With death no longer occurring on Earth, those who should die are in suffering and the world has changed completely.  Meanwhile, Torchwood’s Jack Harkness discovers that he is now mortal.  Can Jack bring death back to Earth or will the Earth become unsustainable within four months, creating a fate literally worse than death.
That actually sounds like a cool idea for a movie. Not really sure I'm interested in seeing a TV show try to handle something so global. But still cool.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: k1 on June 25, 2014, 12:51:43 PM
i love the tick, but i don't consider it sci-fi.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I probably wouldn't have had it on my list if I hadn't seen it on one of the list of Sci-Fi shows that was linked to.  (Same with the Adam West Batman series.)


And Gravity Falls is an amazing show. I highly recommend it.  The Time Travelers Pig is a great episode.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2014, 01:18:48 PM
Number 37
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z37LJUB1ztQ/T2vJmKMMDYI/AAAAAAAABU4/OGTudMZOgz0/s1600/amazing%2Bstories%2Btitle.jpg)
  37 Points, 2 of 18 lists, #8 Imrahil
It never ends, daddy. It changes. But it never ends.
https://www.youtube.com/v/VpeBGQ1S5t8

The Premise
Loosely based in the science fiction anthology magazine (in the sense that there is some science fiction and it is an anthology), Amazing Stories tells light-hearted and/or heart-warming stories (with an occasional horror yarn) of the strange.

Great Episode
The Mission
We all know that Family Dog is the actual best episode (and the inspiration for a short-lived TV series, but since this is sci-fi, let’s go with The Mission, in which a cartoonist during WWII finds a bizarre solution to landing a plane with no landing gear.

Big Ideas   
People always used to say too much TV is bad for you, but what about plants?  In “21 Inch Sun”, a TV writer discovers a plant that can write TV scripts, but only after it absorbs the rays of an old TV.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 25, 2014, 02:13:27 PM

Big Ideas   
In the final mini-series, Miracle Day starts off with “The New World” in which what remains of Torchwood is brought back together when Earth faces a new threat: no one is dying.  With death no longer occurring on Earth, those who should die are in suffering and the world has changed completely.  Meanwhile, Torchwood’s Jack Harkness discovers that he is now mortal.  Can Jack bring death back to Earth or will the Earth become unsustainable within four months, creating a fate literally worse than death.
That actually sounds like a cool idea for a movie. Not really sure I'm interested in seeing a TV show try to handle something so global. But still cool.

Doing that story over 10 episodes was a bit too long, I thought it really bogged down several times.  It got into some really interesting ideas but it really could have been done in 5 or 6 episodes.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: BathTub on June 25, 2014, 03:46:03 PM

Big Ideas   
In the final mini-series, Miracle Day starts off with “The New World” in which what remains of Torchwood is brought back together when Earth faces a new threat: no one is dying.  With death no longer occurring on Earth, those who should die are in suffering and the world has changed completely.  Meanwhile, Torchwood’s Jack Harkness discovers that he is now mortal.  Can Jack bring death back to Earth or will the Earth become unsustainable within four months, creating a fate literally worse than death.
That actually sounds like a cool idea for a movie. Not really sure I'm interested in seeing a TV show try to handle something so global. But still cool.

Doing that story over 10 episodes was a bit too long, I thought it really bogged down several times.  It got into some really interesting ideas but it really could have been done in 5 or 6 episodes.

I agree, it could have been a lot snappier.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 25, 2014, 07:43:19 PM
Watched an episode of the original "The Tomorrow People" (The Blue And The Green) on YouTube.  Man, I thought classic doctor who could move slowly, this was at least 50% padding.  Liked the actors and themes, but the sluggish pacing makes me think I couldn't take another episode.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 25, 2014, 07:50:13 PM
Yeah, which is why -

Given my list (especially another one that's hopefully going to show up later) you'd think The Tomorrow People would be certain of a vote from me but, while the concept is good, I just never liked an episode.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Soguru on June 25, 2014, 10:08:37 PM
Damn it I completely forgot all about amazing stories, that definitely would have been in my top 20.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2014, 07:25:47 AM
Number 36
(http://fanart.tv/fanart/tv/74523/clearart/BuckRogersinthe25thCentury-74523.png)
39 Points, 5 of 18 lists,  #9 CJones
The year is 1987, and NASA launches the last of America's deep space probes. In a freak mishap, Ranger 3 and its pilot, Captain William "Buck" Rogers, are blown out of their trajectory into an orbit which freezes his life support systems, and returns Buck Rogers to Earth... 500 years later.
https://www.youtube.com/v/1obwMjzUY9M

The Premise
The year is 1987, and NASA launches the last of America's deep space probes. In a freak mishap, Ranger 3 and its pilot, Captain William "Buck" Rogers, are blown out of their trajectory into an orbit which freezes his life support systems, and returns Buck Rogers to Earth... 500 years later.  Oh, and now he fights evil across the galaxy with the help of the sexy Wilma Deering, a short robot and his sentient Flava Flav necklace.
Great Episode
Awakening
This two part series premiere shows how to bring to life the classic characters from the Amazing Stories Magazine.  And they got Mel Blanc to voice Twiki!  Yay!

Big Ideas   
It seemed that in every hour long TV program in the 70’s, they needed an episode about a beauty pageant or model.  “Cruise Ship to the Stars” adds a sci-fi twist not just by having it in space, but by having a beauty contest winner being targeted… for her pretty DNA.  And only Buck and company can stop a mysterious woman who is after it.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2014, 11:24:48 AM
Number 35
(http://basementrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/greatest-american-hero-season-1-title-card-william-katt-ralph-hinkle-suit.jpg)
40 Points, 4 of 18 lists, #1 K1
I'm not quitting my job. How am I supposed to eat? Go down to the welfare office and stand in the Superhero line?
https://www.youtube.com/v/e9Q3orQhEcA
The Premise
Ralph Hinkle was an average school teacher until the day aliens gave him a supersuit that would give him amazing powers to fight for justice and help the innocent.  Unfortunately, Ralph hates wearing the garish costume, he can’t figure out how to use it and the manual was destroyed.  Now Ralph must discover his powers through trial and error with the help of his girlfriend and an FBI Agent who know his secret.
Great Episode
Operation Spoilsport
The aliens return with a new mission for Ralph: someone is planning to start World War III.  As Ralph and Bill look into it, they soon learn it is an American general gone mad.
Big Ideas   
I suppose the biggest ones come in “Pilot”, where Ralph gets the suit and the show gets to look at super-heroes from a comedic angle while still presenting a rollicking adventure.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2014, 12:03:19 PM
Number 34
(http://meetsobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/flashback-maxhearoom.jpg)
44 Points, 2 of 18 lists, #2 Cole Stratton
Have you any idea how successful censorship is on TV? Don't know the answer? Hmm... successful, isn't it?
https://www.youtube.com/v/3v2AFogjmJA

The Premise
Welcome to a world where commercials can kill, people buy designer babies and off switches are illegal.  Welcome to 20 minutes into the future.  Edison Carter is an investigative reporter for Network 23.  After a near death accident, Network 23 (with the help of an amoral hacker) saves Carter’s mind to a computer, inadvertently creating a sentient computer program named Max Headroom.  When Carter wakes up, he realizes that Max has abilities that can help him take down corporate corruption and conspiracies in a world where people will do any horrible thing to succeed.

Great Episode
Blipverts
The series premiere doesn’t feature too much of the title character, but it sets up the grim, cynical nature of the show and help bring the cyberpunk (then a very new genre) into the mainstream.  Plus it features a scene that deeply disturbed me as a kid.
https://www.youtube.com/v/PJP-Ilw_xaY
   
 Big Ideas   
“Baby Grobags” features a story involving designer babies, ones genetically altered to the parent’s specifications.  But when Carter investigates a kidnapping, he discovers that a TV network is stealing the smartest babies when it turns out that many of them have abnormally high IQs
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2014, 12:45:32 PM
 
Number 33
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Sealab_2021.gif)
46 Points, 4 of 18 lists,  #6 ScottotD
Pod 6 was jerks!
https://www.youtube.com/v/8XBEkmAa3Ck

The Premise
In the year 2021, Sealab is the world’s most famous undersea research facility who is paving the path of the future.  In theory.  Unfortunately, it has a crew that is either insane, stupid, corrupt, horny or all of the above and the world’s greatest scientist is constantly abused and mocked.

Great Episode
Bizarro
The crew is kidnapped by Bizarro clones of themselves and must face their increasingly Bizarro plots.  It’s weird to think that this is from the same creators as Archer.  Both are great shows, but Archer is constructed in a very tight manner, while Sealab feels very loose and like they are throwing ideas to the wall.  That’s not to say it also isn’t great comedy but it is a lot more off the wall and experimental.  This one was designed to see how aggressively annoying they could be and somehow it works in an insanely funny episode.
Also check out Tinfins, a pitch perfect spoof of entertainment news and Hollywood hype.  You’ll wish you had less fun!

Big Ideas   
While the show had a lot of great episodes, somehow they were never able to top this episode, one of the three pilots produced and an almost perfect (there are one or two rough lines) 12-minute comedy sketch called “I, Robot”.  When the crew faces mortal danger, they know they only have one option; debate whether you would put your brain in a robot body.  As the show progresses, the characters get so caught up in their debate that they begin to plan their next moves for scenarios that will never happen.  The only reason I didn’t put this one in great episode was because it’s big idea celebrates characters debating big ideas in the most ludicrous way possible.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Space version 2.0 on June 26, 2014, 12:50:29 PM
It don't mean butt if it ain't got that jut.

I wonder if the other qualifying Adam Reed show will make it.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2014, 02:51:37 PM
 
Number 32
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pV3_R4ug6I0/TKAOgTJ46qI/AAAAAAAARFs/EYFgnea9M0s/s1600/StarTrek_Enterprise_logo.jpg)
46 Points, 7 of 18 lists, #10 MartyS (Gromit)
I can’t save humanity without holding on to the things that make me human.
https://www.youtube.com/v/55LC7H8aT6M

The Premise
In the year 2150, years after Earth experienced first contact with another race, humanity is finally ready to explore the stars, under the watchful eyes of the Vulcans.  A crew is assembled including several aliens and humanity begins its first humble steps into a larger world filled with both wonder and terror.  Captain Jeffrey Archer and his Enterprise crew must now learn about the responsibility that comes with breaking new ground for humanity.

Great Episode
Carbon Creek
A flashback episode set in the 1950’s features a grandmother of the Vulcan crewmember T’Pol and shows her relationship to Earth in a low-key period piece episode that brings the crew closer in a way that was missing in some of the earlier seasons.

Big Ideas   
The ethics of cloning are classic sci-fi stuff and those ethics are the center of the dilemma of “Similitude”.  When an accident places Trip at Death’s door, Dr. Phlox comes up with a novel solution: a fast-aging clone who will be ready to give his organs in two weeks.  When it turns out that the clone has all of Trip’s memories, things get a lot more complicated for the crew and must make an impossible choice: murder or let a crewmember die.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 26, 2014, 03:20:56 PM
Carbon Creek as a "great episode"?   ???   Plenty of "greater" ones than that...
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Pak-Man on June 26, 2014, 03:38:12 PM
Number 33
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Sealab_2021.gif)
46 Points, 4 of 18 lists,  #6 ScottotD
Big Ideas   
While the show had a lot of great episodes, somehow they were never able to top this episode, one of the three pilots produced and an almost perfect (there are one or two rough lines) 12-minute comedy sketch called “I, Robot”.  When the crew faces mortal danger, they know they only have one option; debate whether you would put your brain in a robot body.  As the show progresses, the characters get so caught up in their debate that they begin to plan their next moves for scenarios that will never happen.  The only reason I didn’t put this one in great episode was because it’s big idea celebrates characters debating big ideas in the most ludicrous way possible.

Sooo many great quotes from that episode. Tyrant and I find excuses to quote it to this day:

"You're not the boss of Tiger-Bot Hesh!"

"Have fun on the robot reservation, suckers! We're not gonna honor those bogus treaties!"
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 26, 2014, 03:46:04 PM
Most of the first 2 seasons of that show sucked.

I wouldn't go that far, but it is too bad that they couldn't have done what they did in season 4 in season 2, it was just starting to get really good when they cancelled it.  (except for that last big middle finger to the show that is the "finale")
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2014, 05:16:30 PM
I never watched Enterprise.  I was just researching what fans thought of as the best and it came up on several lists.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Rainbow Dash on June 26, 2014, 05:32:05 PM
Enterprise at it's best was only "good".  Even with the lackluster Voyager, I can point to a few episodes that really can stand with the greatest episodes of the franchise.  I can't do that with Enterprise.  S3 and S4 were certainly an improvement, but they were never great.  It's not a good thing when one of the best pair of episodes in your series is an alternate universe episode where every character isn't being the character they've been playing for 4 years.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 26, 2014, 05:48:13 PM
I never watched Enterprise.  I was just researching what fans thought of as the best and it came up on several lists.

GEOS is a good place to find out what the best episodes of various series are, I usually agree pretty closely with what they come up with. 

http://www.geos.tv/
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: goflyblind on June 26, 2014, 06:15:09 PM
aww, the old commodore64 gui found a home! ^-^
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2014, 06:29:23 PM
Number 31
(http://media3.giphy.com/media/R3Mnqzzm7hhT2/200_s.gif)
47 Points, 4 of 18 lists, #7 Quirk & ScottotD
Hello, friends. I am a perfectly normal human worm-baby. You have nothing, absolutely nothing, to fear from me. Just pay no attention to me and we'll get along just fine.
https://www.youtube.com/v/c6hozJLvfX4

The Premise
Zim, an invader of the Irken Empire, is excited about Operation: Impending Doom II, a plot to dominate the universe.  Unfortunately, the Irken Empire isn’t particularly excited about him since his enthusiasm sabotages Operation: Impending Doom II, so they send him on a snipe hunt of conquest to a deep, far away part of space.  Soon Zim lands on Earth and begins his plot, along with his loyal… ish robot servant GIR to conquer the Earth, while trying to avoid the human Dib, the one person who seems aware that he is very obviously an alien.

Great Episode
Dark Harvest
Zim is worried about appearing human and comes to one conclusion; more organs = more human.  Soon Zim is stealing organs from students and replacing them with whatever is lying around and only Dib can stop him!  A hilarious and gross episode that definitely represents the warped, dark humour of the show.

Big Ideas   
How big can a water fight get?  “The Wettening” answers that question on a planetary scale.  When Zim discovers he is weak against water, he plots to use the weakness to end Zim.  But soon plots revenge of his own with a water balloon of his own.  Two words: orbital bombardment.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2014, 06:38:33 PM
That's it for tonight.  Sorry that they came out slowly in the last two days.  There will be 10 a day for the next 3 days.  Enjoy your long weekend Canadians!
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2014, 03:40:43 AM
Number 30
(http://scifimafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Orphan-Black-logo-wide-560x282.jpg)
48 Points, 3 of 18 lists, #3 Cole Stratton
Just one, I'm a few, no family too, who am I?
https://www.youtube.com/v/aBXaRbqzmzc

The Premise   
Sarah Manning is a con artist and thief, posing as a police detective.  Alison Hendrix is a married mother of two.  Cosima Niehaus is a microbiologist living in San Francisco.  Helena is an assassin with a very specific set of targets.  What do they have in common?  They all share identical DNA and were born in the spring of 1984.  And they aren’t the only ones, all created for the scientific movement known as Neolution.  But while unravelling the truth as its own threats for the clones, so is Helena, the aforementioned assassin working for a religious movement known as the Proletheans who see the clones as abominations who must die.

Great Episode
Unconscious Selection
When Sarah finds herself rescuing the clone assassin Helena, she must decide what to do with someone raised to murder her.  While the mythology of the series has already gotten quite heavy 9 episodes in, this episode manages to further it while keeping it feel more grounded with some great character building.

Big Ideas   
Usually I go with an episode, but it really is tied more with the acting.  Tatiana Maslany’s ability to created completely different characters in this series really helps sell the idea of roads not travelled and despite genetic similarities, experiences can really help define who we become.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: ScottotD on June 27, 2014, 03:44:06 AM
That show seems completely like something I should like but after going through half of the first season I wasn't invested in it at all.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
Looking at the logo, I've decided that Orpi Ian Black is Michael Ian Black's evil twin.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Soguru on June 27, 2014, 06:52:34 AM
Enterprise was definitely a show which was far more bad than it was good. May I ask, voters, of all the hundreds of potential shows you could have chosen, why Enterprise? Is it because you ran out of shows you wanted to vote for?! I'm sorry but I just can't think of any other reason why.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 27, 2014, 08:17:42 AM
I didn't vote for it but I'd imagine the idea of the early years of human warp powered space flight and the setting up of the Federation seem pretty interesting as well as seeing Star Trek minus some of the near magical tech of later voyages.

And, you know, Vulcans with big bouncy breasts.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Rainbow Dash on June 27, 2014, 08:37:10 AM
Still better than Voyager.
Still better than Voyager.

Least Voyager had a few good characters.   Enterprise characters all sacked.   Archer was a total idiot, and Plox was into genocide.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 27, 2014, 08:45:58 AM
RVR's Star Trek thread must be getting jealous.... ;D

Never heard of Orphan Black before, might have to check that out.

Is it because you ran out of shows you wanted to vote for?!

Hundreds?  I had trouble coming up with 30 shows I considered actual science fiction.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
 
Number 29
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130523194103/scifi/images/7/74/Sliders_title_card.jpg)
50 Points, 8 of 18 lists, #13 Tripe
  What if you could travel to parallel worlds? The same year, the same Earth, only different dimensions? A world where the Russians ruled America? Or where your dreams of being a superstar came true? Or where San Francisco was a maximum security prison? My friends and I found the gateway. Now, the problem is: finding a way back home.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Vqz6o-etiEI

The Premise
When genius Quinn Mallory’s attempt to invent an anti-gravity decide creates a doorway to parallel worlds, he’s excited to meet himself, telling himself about the endless possibilities of unexplored timelines.  But when he invites his friend Wade and university prof Maximillian Arturo to take a trip, things quickly go wrong after they (and thanks to a dimensional warp, a washed up soul singer named Rembrandt “Cryin’ Man” Brown) end up in a new world and discover that they can’t control where they go and must travel through an endless number of dimensions in the slim hope of getting home.

Great Episode
The King is Back
I know there are better episodes, but I have a weakness for stories that explore what would happen to a character if their dream came true… especially a charismatic hard-luck case like Cryin’ Man.  The Sliders travel to a world where Rembrandt became not only a success, but a legend and the true “King of Rock & Roll”.  What’s more, this world’s Rembrandt is dead, meaning that when the Cryin’ Man makes a comeback, everything is coming up roses.  Of course, things take a dark turn when an old rival decides to re-kill the king.

Big Ideas   
Lots of great ones in the early season, but when I think of sci-fi, I always think about what if scenarios where the difference is subtle, but crucial.  In “Post Traumatic Slide Disorder”, the Sliders have apparently made it back home and thanks to their successes for discovering inter-dimensional travel, begin to drift apart.  However, Quinn discovers that very small differences prove that they aren’t in their world.  Soon it turns out that there’s a traitor in the midst of the former team and that the future of their quest is home is put in jeopardy.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: ColeStratton on June 27, 2014, 09:23:59 AM
If you haven't seen it, Orphan Black is killer -- and it's an acting clinic by Tatiana Maslany, who plays tons of clones and makes each one a fully-fleshed out character. Plus sometimes she is playing one of the clones masquerading as another clone and manages to do so in a way that you can see the nuances of each of them. She's just great.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
 
Number 28
(http://fandomania.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/24/fringe-201-1-4.jpg)
51 Points, 4 of 18 lists, #8 George Harrison
  There is little that makes me happier than taking drugs. Perhaps administering them, designing and carrying out experiments that bend the plane of what we consider reality.
https://www.youtube.com/v/QwEnXLFDZBg

The Premise   
When a bizarre plane accident occurs, a joint task force (the Fringe Division) is created to investigate cases related to fringe science and seemingly impossible events.  With the support of the FBI, Agent Olivia Dunham recruits the leading expert in fringe sciences, Dr. Walter Bishop.  Unfortunately, he’s found living in an insane asylum with some missing faculties and general mental instability.  With the assistance of his son Peter, Homeland Security agent Phillip Boyles (acting as the Fringe Division’s director) and FBI Jr Agent Astrid Farnsworth, the team learns of strange conspiracies that deal with an alternate universe and strange figures known only as Observers.  Who appear somewhere in every episode!

https://www.youtube.com/v/QlG1gwkyJxk
Great Episode
And Those We've Left Behind
First of all, Stephen Root is in this episode, which is always a plus.  But it also tells the tragic tale of a scientist whose wife is living with Alzheimer’s and tries to deal with it by encasing his house in a time bubble.  The idea is sound, but it is one that causes trouble when random people and objects are being shot backwards in time as a result.  This episode is very poignant and also features Root’s wife playing his character’s wife.

 Big Ideas   
A great flashback episode can reveal who the characters who were before the series, but the episode “Peter”  truly recontextualizes some major character relationships using science fiction concepts.  In 1985, Walter Bishop is a much different ma and a much dark figure.  Suffering after the loss of his son, Walter travels into another universe with a terrible solution to his problem that has makes us look again what has come before.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: CJones on June 27, 2014, 11:44:44 AM
ST: Enterprise wasn't that bad a show. It had a good cast and a good concept. It was just poorly executed. I really liked the 3rd season with the Xindi, but the 4th had too many 2-3 episode story arcs that could easily have been condensed into one.

Anyway, the best episode, by far, is (ironically) Twilight, season 3, episode 8. I can't find the full episode on Youtube, but to sum up: Archer is infected with a temporal parasite that erases his short term memory. Earth is destroyed, but Phlox discoverers a way to destroy the parasite that resets the timeline back to when Archer was initially infected.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: BathTub on June 27, 2014, 01:03:46 PM
Can we specify only the first 2 seasons of Sliders count? After that it was a different show you shouldn't bother with.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: goflyblind on June 27, 2014, 02:27:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/_bk8VfK7TRM
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2014, 04:06:07 PM
Can we specify only the first 2 seasons of Sliders count? After that it was a different show you shouldn't bother with.

I think that's what we all assumed.  But those early episodes were GREAT.  Then the network made them off John Rhys-Davies, because they are insane.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2014, 04:07:06 PM
Number 27
(http://www.nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/RAM_logo.jpg)
53 Points, 3 of 18 lists, #1 Pak Man
  Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody’s gonna die. Come watch TV?
https://www.youtube.com/v/u_7ou27JwxM

The Premise
Brilliant, alcoholic and mentally unwell scientist Rick Sanchez has decided to finally start spending more time with his family.  He decides to take his grandson Morty under his wing and show him a world of wonders and discovery.  Or nihilism, horror and disturbing images.  Ah, whatever works, I suppose.

 Great Episode
Rixty Minutes
When the family learns there is a way to see to other realities, the family becomes obsessed with watching other worlds.  The premise is an excuse for all sorts of fun gags, but there is also more going on with this one, particularly when Beth discovers that her parents really happier if she was never born, which leads to a brilliant speech that is both touching and bleak.  Definitely a winner.

 Big Ideas   
In “Lawnmower Dog”, the show explores the question: what do dreams dream about?  What begins as an Inception parody gets a lot more complicated when it turns out that the characters can “Incept” into the characters in the dreams, who turn out to have complex lives of their own.  Even a Freddy Krueger-ripoff reveals his own insecurities and personal issues that cause him to lash out.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 27, 2014, 05:03:33 PM
I'm sad I neglected to include Rick and Morty, just a delightfully horrible show. :)
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 27, 2014, 05:11:21 PM
Amazon Prime has Orphan Black, started watching it.  Seems like a good show, I might continue watching it, but I wouldn't call it science fiction.  Fiction that has a smidgen of science thrown in is not science fiction.  Unless things change drastically later on it would be like calling Sherlock science fiction.

Rick and Morty is another one I haven't heard of.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: ColeStratton on June 27, 2014, 05:44:19 PM
Amazon Prime has Orphan Black, started watching it.  Seems like a good show, I might continue watching it, but I wouldn't call it science fiction.  Fiction that has a smidgen of science thrown in is not science fiction.  Unless things change drastically later on it would be like calling Sherlock science fiction.

Rick and Morty is another one I haven't heard of.

A good portion of it takes place in a genetics lab. That's pretty science-y. Clones are full-on science. SCIENCE!
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Space version 2.0 on June 27, 2014, 05:48:04 PM
I'm sad I neglected to include Rick and Morty, just a delightfully horrible show. :)

I almost forgot, even though I'm reminded every time I go here.

As much as I love the Meeseeks (they actually do something funny with the intentionally annoying character), and as awesome as the Cronenbergs are, I think the best episode (so far) is when Summer is working for the Devil.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2014, 08:03:16 PM
Number 26
(http://images.paxholley.net/blog/Nightbird/Nightbird_000.jpg)
53 Points, 4 of 18 lists, #7 Pak Man
  Autobots, transform and roll out!
https://www.youtube.com/v/nLS2N9mHWaw

The Premise   
Two warring factions of a race of alien robots crash to Earth during a battle and are left dormant for millions of years.  When they finally awaken, they continue their war anew, using terrestrial vehicles, objects and animals as the basis for disguises to assimilate into the planet until it is time to fight.

 Great Episode
The Ultimate Doom
This three-parter features some hot robot-on-robot action (OOOOOOOOOOH, YEEEEEEEEEAH) and is just plain fun to watch while playing with your toys and eating Count Chocula.  In it, Megatron’s latest plot involves mind control and replacing Cybertron near the Earth.

 Big Ideas   
“More Than Meets the Eye” shows that robot wars work a bit differently than human ones, as the war put on hold for a million years before they are reawakened.  BTW, I was always bothered by the fact that Cybertron could give a crap that these guys were missing for a million years.  Even for robots, that’s got to be a big deal.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 27, 2014, 08:04:13 PM
Sorry, I guess today and tomorrow also only have five items per list.  Don't worry, we will be finished by Monday.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MightyJack on June 27, 2014, 10:30:45 PM
I watched the first season of Orphan Black and it started off red hot, but then morphed into this kind of comedy soap opera thingamabob and it lost me. There were still some intense moments and the acting was great, but just wasn't my cuppa.

Fringe I thought was a bit so/so at the first season, but it had enough there to get me to return for the second... which was one of the best seasons of any show in any genre in any era.  The 3rd season was good, the fourth was back to brilliant, with a great, bittersweet final episode

I'm not a science guy, I'm a character and story guy and while I liked the freaky, it was the characters, especially Walter (all hail Walter!) that was the glue. The series was about about loss and hope, love and family, redemption and sacrifice, as well as the exploration and creation of the impossible (simply, to quote Walter- "because it's cool"). All of these elements are what made Fringe special.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BvCt24UviZQ/UJgug_w116I/AAAAAAAAAPA/RJQlJU1Uo54/s280/310recap.jpg)
My hero. If we ever do a "Great characters of sci-fi TV" he'd be at the top of my list.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: BathTub on June 28, 2014, 12:01:32 AM
I watched the first season of Fringe, and ever since it's been on my list of 'watch the whole thing when it's done', which really means I should go add it to my rental queue now.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Pak-Man on June 28, 2014, 12:23:07 AM
One of the many things I love about Rick and Morty is how you think you have it figured out after watching the first episode. Mad Scientist takes his young ward on inappropriate adventures and hilarity ensues. And that probably would have been enough, but then you start watching and getting way more depth and character development than the premise entails. By the end of the first season, you have watched a very different show than you expected. The premise is still there, and it's still hilarious, but it was all way more intelligent than you thought it was going to be.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MightyJack on June 28, 2014, 01:19:56 AM
Well now I'm curious about Rick and Morty... I'll have to check out some eps.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 28, 2014, 08:18:36 AM
Number 25
(http://www.badmovies.org/tvshows/outerlimits/outerlimitss1.jpg)
55 Points, 5 of 18 lists, #5 George Harrison
  There is nothing wrong with your television set.  Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission.
https://www.youtube.com/v/8CtjhWhw2I8

The Premise
These are tales that explore the world beyond what we know today and explore the possibilities that lie in the outer limits of the human imagination.  Each episode presents a new story, most of which include a “bear” (some sort of monster or boogey man) and involve tales of time travel, first contact and whatever lies beyond.

 Great Episode
Demon With a Glass Hand
An episode so good, that it was one of the two episodes that inspired Terminator (the other being Soldier)and is the only story that the guys who are trying to make an Outer Limits movie want to adapt (just call it Demon With a Glass Hand!).  Trent was born 10 days ago.  He has a hand made of glass.  It talks to him.  And he’s trapped in building with an aliens hunting him.  With a fantastic Harlan Ellison script (the man can be prickly but he’s a hell of a writer), it starts with a premise that immediately grabs you and doesn’t disappoint.

 Big Ideas   
“The Architects of Fear” also inspired a classic in the sci-fi cannon, this time the ending to the comic book epic Watchmen.  In this episode, a secret cabal of scientists decide to avert nuclear apocalypse by creating a threat so great that the nations of the world will band together in defense of it.  So they begin to fake an alien invasion, with one of the scientists receiving surgery to become an “alien monster”, but when things go wrong, it becomes apparent that fear might not bring people closer together…
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 28, 2014, 09:33:25 AM
I should have put The Outer Limits on my list, I suppose it was more sci-fi than Twilight Zone.  But I don't remember it all that well, haven't watched it since it was in reruns in the 70s.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 28, 2014, 10:54:19 AM
Number 24
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/88/Justiceleague-intro.jpg)
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110526200521/marvel_dc/images/1/1e/Justice_League_Unlimited_Title_Card.png)
57 Points, 4 of 18 lists, #7 Johnny Unusual
  They're the best ever. Not because they're the most powerful - they aren't. Not all of them. And it's not just because they were the first. It's because they're special. They've proven it time and again. They make the hard choices, they set the example. They do what's right, not what's easiest. And they always come out on top.
https://www.youtube.com/v/wQ-GAxE6RD4
https://www.youtube.com/v/Sa2jYn3LmlE

The Premise
The world’s greatest super-heroes come together to stop threats to the Earth and begin to grow as a team and as friends.  However, after a particularly devastating alien invasion that threatens to tear the team apart, they rebuild, creating an army of heroes from all over the world.  Hey, even Aztek is in there.  Neat.

 Great Episode
I’ll pick two, one for each version

Legends
Season one was a bit rougher than what came after, but “Legends” was a sign of what was to come.  When 4 members of the team are transported to an alternate reality, they find an idyllic 1940’s style town under attack from some very hammy super-villains.  Soon, the Justice League discover this world has heroes known as the Justice Guild.  After an initial fight (its super-heroes, after all) the teams become fast friends despite their differences.  But soon, the team starts to realize there’s something deeply wrong with this world.  A perfect love letter to golden age comics with a poignant ending.

Question Authority/Flashpoint/Panic in the Sky/Divided We Fall
In this four-part epic that finishes the season long story, the Justice League goes head to head with Cadmus, who have teamed with Lex Luthor.  When Cadmus realize they’ve been betrayed by Luthor, they team with the League, only to learn something that leaves even Luthor shocked (one of the biggest “Holy Shit” moments in any super-hero cartoon).  We also get to see some Question (always good) and several huge and emotionally engaging League battles.

 Big Ideas   
Here’s one that spans both series.  In “A Better World”, the League meets versions from another dimension.  But these aren’t just evil doubles like the Crime Syndicate; these people are zealots.  With the League captured, the team is forced to escape a paradise that lives under the totalitarian rule of Justice Lords (what they do to the Joker is creepy genius).
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 28, 2014, 12:05:08 PM
Number 23
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Hitchhikers_Guide_TV_Titles.jpg)
57 Points, 4 of 18 lists, #5 Pak Man
  Don’t Panic.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Zc3C8w7y7H0

The Premise
Arthur Dent is a man who is worried that his house is about to be demolished.  He should be more worried that his planet is about to be demolished.  Before Earth is destroyed, his good friendFord Prefect reveals he is an alien and a writer for the most popular book ever The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.  Soon they, along with Zaphod Beeblebrox (the coolest man in the universe… or at least the most popular) and his human girlfriend Trillian and Marvin the Paranoid Android travel the universe, discovering the secrets of the universe and generally falling into one crazy situation after another.

Great Episode
Episode 1
An excellent introduction to the series, starting off with a great bit made popular by the radio show and book dealing with watches.  We also get to see some beloved characters on film for the first time, which is quite a treat.  Not many cliffhangers involve bad poetry.

Big Ideas   
“Episode 5” presents what I will always feel is one of the neatest sci-fi concepts of all time: the Restaurant at the End of the Universe, where the End of the Universe is the show.  Eat it, Benihana!  Here we have a restaurant that is mind-bendingly large but is only open for one day only.  If you can get in (and thanks to time travel, it is possible to visit more than once) you will be treated to a delicious meal (the meal itself is willing to make some recommendations) and, from the safety of a time bubble, watch the universe be completely destroyed.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Lunquewill on June 28, 2014, 12:32:14 PM
And in the 5th Ep of HHGG, you can see Peter Davidson, then the 5th Doctor Who, playing the part of a mutant cow that is explaining its various body parts that are on the menu and David Prowse, who had played the body of Darth Vader in the movie Star Wars, play the role of Hotblack Desiato's bodyguard.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MightyJack on June 28, 2014, 12:58:20 PM
So many great JLU eps, I loved the Question/Huntress stuff. I also liked Warren Ellis' "Dark Heart", which had my favorite line, from the Atom - “I'm going to lay here for a while, Katie. I’m old now, and I get tired.” ha ha! As a tired old fart, I like  superhero who says stuff like that.

In addition to spacey, Outer Limits could also be terrifying (those Zanti Misfits freaked me out when I was a kid, still love 'me. Architects, Corpus Earthling... some good scares with them) - And yeah, Demon With the Glass hand was incredible. I also liked The Man Who Was Never Born, The Galaxy Being and Bellero Shield to name only a few
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 28, 2014, 01:20:47 PM
Number 22
(http://ladylubyanka.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/02-farscape-title-640x.jpg)
57 Points, 6 of 18 lists, #12 CJones
  There's life out here, Dad. Weird, amazing, psychotic life.  And death.  In Technicolor. Hey, Dad, you know those rattlers in the stomach we talked about? Well, I've got them now.
https://www.youtube.com/v/tzRFARUa3c4

The Premise
Astronaut John Crichton has accidentally fallen into a wormhole while testing an experimental test craft and finds himself flung far across the universe, where he is discovered by a living ship of fugitives, that includes the ship’s pilot, a disgraced warrior, an overthrown ruler and a priestess.  Soon, Crichton helps the team escape from the Peacekeepers, a military organization comprised of a race of human looking aliens, and finds himself hunted after killing a high ranking soldier’s brother.  Now John tries to find a while home while staying one step ahead of the Peacekeepers.

Great Episode
Revenging Angel
One of the recurring plot lines in the series is Harvey, neural clone of the villain Scorpius who lives in John Crichton’s mind and has a complicated relationship with Crichton.  He lives in Crichton’s mind so he has a vested interested in help John survive, but he is undeniably evil, trying to be the devil on Crichton’s shoulder.  When John gets knocked unconscious by crewmate D’Argo, he finds himself in a coma dream where Harvey tries to convince John to seek revenge.  John decides to subvert this plot and creates a cartoon world in his mind, where they play out Looney Tunes-style violence.  One of the many episodes that take place in John’s mind, this one presents a crazy deviation from the norm that works.

Big Ideas   
The show certainly had a history of messing with its characters’ minds, often driving them insane or trapping them in a nightmare world.  In “Crackers Don’t Matter”, the show has fun with these ideas for an episode that is both fun and quite dark, as a new force field on the ship is slowly driving the crew insane.  Paranoia tearing people apart is a classic sci-fi trope and it gets used well here, as we see these characters we are familiar with turning on each other.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 28, 2014, 02:57:24 PM
I never think of Hitchhiker's as a series, it was only 6 episodes, and I often watch them all in a row like a movie, so I didn't think of it for my list.  Glad others put it on theirs.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 28, 2014, 05:12:58 PM
 Love HHGG, as radio and novels. The tv and stage versions are simply okay for me.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 28, 2014, 05:27:13 PM
Number 21
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NxPe7f315Wo/Sq3Mq-M_50I/AAAAAAAAAnY/etBJA-qvudg/s400/tp_pfb.jpg)
57 Points, 6 of 18 lists, #5 Johnny Unusual
  I will not make any deals with you. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own!
https://www.youtube.com/v/tra3Zi5ZWa0

The Premise   
After a spy resigns, he finds himself kidnapped and taken to the Village.  It is beautiful and friendly.  And there is no escape.  Not from the guards, or the strange bubbles (are they alive?) or the games of the village.  They call him Number 6.   But he is not a number.  He is a free man.  And he will prove it too him.  The island wants information.  Really, only one piece really.  “Why did you resign?”  But more importantly, they want him to submit.  To break.  To accept the island.  The prisoner tries to escape but every attempt is thwarted.  But soon, the prisoner finds that the best way to defeat the village may be to let them come to him…

 Great Episode
 Hammer Into Anvil
This was a tough choice, but while there are better episodes (the final are amazing stuff), I have a lot of affection for this episode that demonstrates the sea change in the series.  In half of the episodes, the prisoner’s escape plan is defeated, and though he remains defiant, they end on down notes.  But the other half involves him turning the tables on the Village’s games.  Here, he meets this episode’s Number Two, who the prisoner takes an immediate disliking too.  While the other Number Twos are sinister, this guy is an overt bully and his clumsy, tactless style lead to a member of the Village committing suicide.

This Number Two also vows to pound the prisoner, like a hammer into anvil.  However, Number Two missed the flaw in his logic: a hammer will give out before a hammer.  There is so much fun in watching Patrick McGoohan bedevil the bad guy in this one and is one of the character’s few overwhelming victories in the series.

 Big Ideas   
In “A. B. and C.”, it puts a spin on the idea that someone reading your mind is a disadvantage.  After all, people can lie to themselves so a person reading that lie might confuse it with the truth.  In this, Number Two decides to find the Prisoner’s secret direct from the source: his mind.  They use a machine that can project dreams and make him play out a scenario that might cause him to reveal his secret.  But when the Prisoner starts to catch on, he does what he does best: mess with the system and turn its own plan against them.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 28, 2014, 05:33:59 PM
That's it for tonight.  10 more tomorrow including a one season wonder, long-running shows, cartoons, more than one series where religion is a big part of it and all sorts of other fun stuff.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: BathTub on June 28, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
Ok I better add the Prisoner to my rental list too.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 28, 2014, 07:15:19 PM
I disagree.  It really did resolve but the show wasn't about answering question about what is literally happening, but rather what is going on in a battle of an individual versus society, which is given a definitive answer.  In the end...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Don't get me wrong, the Prisoner did have a few weak and so/so episodes.  There is one clearly designed to try to hide the fact that Patrick McGoohan was filming a movie that is pretty darn bad.  But mostly, the best episodes stuck with me and it played with convention in a way that was ahead of it's time (Living In Harmony tries to think you into thinking that it's a different show that is almost the same show, but in the old west).

Also, can we agree that Leo McKern was easily the BEST Number Two?
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 28, 2014, 09:57:56 PM
I dunno, I guess I think of The Prisoner as more magic realism than science fiction.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: ScottotD on June 28, 2014, 11:17:45 PM
I never think of Hitchhiker's as a series, it was only 6 episodes, and I often watch them all in a row like a movie, so I didn't think of it for my list.  Glad others put it on theirs.

Same
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Soguru on June 28, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
Speaking of the prisoner has anybody seen Prisoner Zero lately?
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 04:24:05 AM
Number 20
(http://www.tv-intros.com/l/life%20on%20mars.jpg)
62 Points, 4 of 18 lists, #3 Tripe
  Do you not like me with my clown?
I can see I make you frown.   
When on Earth will all this end?
I'm your friend, your only friend.
https://www.youtube.com/v/yIMP6-KBSCs

The Premise
Sam Tyler is a London police officer who has just been hit by a car.  Waking up, he realizes that he is now 23 years in the past.  Even stranger, though no one knows him, it seems as though he was expected as a new transfer to his precinct.  Unsure whether it is a coma dream or literal time travel, Sam tries to make the best of his new world, a cop from a different time were the rules are very different.

Great Episode
Take a Look at the Lawman
Sam Tyler has finally started to become accustomed to his new life.  He’s learned to do things the old way while introducing some crime solving techniques that won’t be accepted for years to come.  He’s even introduced the idea of putting a TV in a pub.  But when Sam Tyler finally meets the father he never knew, he finds that he is involved in a murder case that he needs to get to the bottom of.  It’s been a while since I’ve seen season one, so it was a bit tough to pick an episode (though I remembered the football hooligan’s episode had a bit of speechifying at the end that soured it a bit for me), but I remember this one is being good.  Also, ALL of them have the character of Gene Hunt.  So you really can’t lose.

Big Ideas   
It’s interesting, because it is mainly a cop show with the big idea not being episode specific, since most of them are cases, but the first episode really does a great job introducing it.  It’s great because it isn’t just a time travel show, but it also toys with cop show conventions, in which the main character is the one cop on the force who isn’t a loose cannon.  All the other guys are good men, but they are more than willing to put the rules aside if it means protecting their city, which put doesn’t sit well with 21st century Sam Tyler, who is much more focused on detail than busting heads.  A weird mix of the worlds of Dirty Harry (or if you are British, The Sweeney) and CSI.

The other tactic I like was predicting audience expectations.  It would be obvious to reveal it as a coma dream or the afterlife, but here it sets up contradictions on both ends: Sam realizes it’s far too real and detailed to be a dream (or at least a normal dream) but there are voices and visions that must come from his loved ones over his body.  Also, there’s the test pattern girl.  Terrifying.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Soguru on June 29, 2014, 05:55:09 AM
John Simm.... absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 29, 2014, 06:04:16 AM
Phil Glenister is all sorts of awesome too, the whole cast really.

http://www.youtube.com/v/dCVE3JfypiE
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 09:26:00 AM
Number 19
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/TheAdventuresOfBriscoCountyJropeninglogo.jpg)
65 Points, 5 of 18 lists, #8 K1
Very fancy.
https://www.youtube.com/v/LYXuvNtMYM0

The Premise
Brisco County, Jr is a Harvard-educated lawyer turned bounty hunter who is hired by a group of wealthy industrialists who want him to capture the outlaw John Bly and his gang.  Joined by fellow bounty hunter Lord Bowler, lawyer Socrates Poole, and Comet the Wonder Horse, Brisco is constantly involved in cases that involve new inventions and the quest for the “Coming Thing” to blaze a trail into the future of America.

 Great Episode
 Bad Luck Betty
When Socrates Poole goes missing, Brisco and Bowler track him down to his old town of Midnightville, where people are going missing thanks to a mysterious figure in a horseless hearse.  Some people believe that it is an undertaker who has been resurrected, but is that truly the case?  OK, it is less of a sci-fi episode, but it is a fun episode all the same.

 Big Ideas   
In “Bye Bly”, things get bigger than usual with a time traveler from the 56th century, the return of the series main villain and a plot that threatens the world involving an orb, continuing the story that seemingly ended with “AKA Kansas”.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Rainbow Dash on June 29, 2014, 09:28:07 AM
I love how we get to hear the Brisco Country Jr. theme song every Olympics season on NBC.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 29, 2014, 09:43:51 AM
Brisco is another one that is one of my favorite shows but even though it's got that time travel aspect I never think of it as science fiction.

Does remind me I haven't broken out that DVD set in several years.  And why isn't it streaming anywhere yet? 
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 10:27:01 AM
Number 18
(http://www.underthemaskonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/batman.jpg)
68 Points, 4 of 18 lists, #5 ScottotD
I am vengeance.  I am the night.  I am Batman.
https://www.youtube.com/v/A71i0a5x-qA

The Premise
After the death of his parents at the hands of a criminal, Bruce Wayne has dedicated his life to fighting crime by travelling the world, learning a wide variety of skills.  Upon returning to his home city of Gotham, he begins his quest, only to find that crime in Gotham is getting increasingly stranger.

 Great Episode
 Heart of Ice
This is probably the first great episode of the series and a perfect reworking of a previously forgettable Batman villain by writer Paul Dini.  Batman investigates a criminal stealing very specific machine part using a freezing gun, only to find the villain’s origins reveal that his victim might be an even worse monster.

 Big Ideas   
In “Perchance to Dream”, we get to look at what Batman’s vision of a perfect life is.  When Bruce Wayne wakes up in bed after a harrowing chase as Batman, he finds that his parents are alive, he’s engaged to Selina Kyle (who was never Catwoman) and someone else is Batman.  It seems like things are turning around, but Bruce suspects something is wrong.  Who has turned Bruce’s world upside down?  Written by horror/western author Joe R. Lansdale (of Bubba Ho-Tep fame), this one is just a great episode and features a great ending.  No BIG twist (we might not know who is responsible but we know the world is a lie) but the villain’s motives are surprising sad and kind of pathetic (and in a way, the most insane bribe a villain has ever offered a hero).
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 12:08:22 PM
Have you seen the guys villains?  Clayface, Mad Hatter, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Man-Bat, Ra's Al Ghul.  Batman deals with a ton of sci-fi themed threats.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 12:29:18 PM
Number 17
(http://mywifemademewatch.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/title.jpg)
77 Points, 5 of 18 lists, #3 Quirk
We're gonna need to watch that again.
https://www.youtube.com/v/9LDh8DefWpI

The Premise
After a plane crashes on a deserted island, a group of survivors begins working toward rescue.  However, they discover the island is full of secrets and that many of them are actually tied to the pasts of the survivors.  What is the island and why were all of these particular people seemingly destined to arrive there?

 Great Episode
 The Constant
Considered by the fans and the writers as the best episode (or at least WAY up there), “the Constant” manages to tell a very complicated time travel story (apparently it took the writers twice the time as usual) that is both emotionally engaging and mindbending.  When Desmond, Sayid and Lapidus fly 80 miles from the island to a freighter, turbulence sends Desmond back in time into his life in 1996.  Then he comes back.  Then he ends up in 2004.  When the three characters land on the freighter, they meet another man who is also unstuck in time.  Then things get complicated because it is both Lost and time travel.

 Big Ideas   
I’ll be honest, I haven’t seen Lost, so I don’t know how well it was received but the episode “Orientation” has one of those perfect (to me) sci-fi premises that I love: some characters discover a base with a computer and an orientation film that tells them a certain code must be entered every 108 minutes to save the world.  No specific consequence is given.  I always love those kinds of mysterious scenarios (actual fans will have to tell me if it plays as well as it sounds to me.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 02:31:56 PM
Number 16
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/iclfan/TheVentureBros-Season2TVRip.jpg)
85 Points, 5 of 18 lists, #2 Pak Man
Go, Team Venture!
https://www.youtube.com/v/1aNRM8tQ7nw

The Premise   
Hank and Dean Venture come from a line of adventurers.  Their grandfather was the famous super-scientist Dr. Jonas Venture, leader of the Team Venture, a team of adventurers) and their father was once Rusty Venture, Boy Adventurer.  But time has moved on and Team Venture isn’t the team it once was.  “Rusty” is now the largely Dr. Venture, a largely-amoral, curmudgeonly, unsuccessful super-scientist.  He’s protected by his bodyguard, Brock Sampson, an almost super-human former secret agent who now spends much of his time babysitting Team Venture.  And Hank and Dean have an enthusiasm for adventure, but homeschooling from their beds and an a neglectful father have left them completely unprepared for anything resembling the real world.  Constantly under attack from the butterfly-themed super-villain the Monarch, the family tries to find some small level of success in the world of super science in a life filled with failure.

 Great Episode
 The Doctor is Sin
Featuring the second appearance of Dr. Henry Killinger, who is clearly just Dr. Henry Kissinger with evil powers… which he uses to try to help people in their lives, a la Mary Poppins.  In his first appearance, he helped reunite The Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend, and here he decides to help Dr. Venture become happier in his life and improve his business.  Dr. Venture likes the changes and Killinger (he is quite likable), but is slow to realize that Killinger feels that Venture’s path to happiness is much different than Venture thinks.  A very funny episode that addresses the morally questionable of Dr. Venture and shows us a few examples of Venture doing well for himself.  Though the show remained good, I think many fans are a bit disappointed that the show didn’t pursue (for a time, anyway) the new status quo the show hinted at.  Also, I love that Dr. Venture still has Fruitopia for some reason.

 Big Ideas   
While Dr. Jonas Venture is considered to be a legend (one that his son lives in the shadow of), there’s no doubt that he is at least as ethically compromised as his son.  He’s not as cynical in his son, simply willing to ignore the consequences of his research in his enthusiastic pursuit of science.  In “What Goes Down Must Come Up”, the current Team Venture discover that Thaddeus Venture isn’t the only victims of Jonas’ irresponsibility who is living on the Venture Compound when they discover an entire society of insane people, an equally insane computer and the man the size of an ant (who can’t seem to get across who the character of Ant Man is) have been trapped underneath for decades.  Creepy yet hilarious stuff that cribs from a bunch of different sci-fi sources to make something new and cool.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 03:48:59 PM
Number 15
(http://wonderchroma.com/wp_prod/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/cowboybebop001.jpg)
86 Points, 5 of 18 lists, #4 Pak Man & Quirk
I think it’s time we blow this thing.  Get everyone and the stuff together.  OK, three, two, one, let’s jam!
https://www.youtube.com/v/T6zDfxZ4NcE

The Premise
Spike Speigel, a former criminal.  Jet Black, a retired police officer.  Faye Valentine, a femme fatale living with massive debt.  Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV, a brilliant and somewhat feral computer hacker.  Ein, a genetically enhanced “data dog”.  Together, they form the crew of the Bebop, a gang of interplanetary bounty hunters looking for their next big score, finding themselves in scenarios that span a wide range of genres, both dramatic and musical.

Great Episode
Cowboy Funk
One of the wackier episodes, Cowboy Funk revolves around a mad bomber and two bounty hunters: Spike and “Cowboy Andy”, a self-proclaimed cowboy bounty hunter who’s skills match Spike’s.  What begins as a simple competition goes way too far to the point where the mad bomber gets ignored (much to his annoyance).  A fun episode that takes full advantage of the fun, dynamic animation that made this show stand out (along with the music, the characters and the style).

Big Ideas   
On the quieter side of things is a bleak, thoughtful and eerie episode “Brain Scratch”.  When the Bebop decide to go after a cult leader who is convincing people to kill themselves, they find it difficult to find him.  Some say he has transcended his mortal form, but the truth is more sinister… and more tragic.  An episode that deals very well with religion and the human fear of death, this is episode (probably inspired by the Aum Shinrikyo cult responsible for the sarin gas attacks of the mid-90’s) is smart cyberpunk.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: CJones on June 29, 2014, 04:18:10 PM
<facepalm>

I can't believe I didn't think of The Venture Bros.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 05:58:13 PM
Number 14
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Qb6wrqPlw-E/UEt4BeYLdsI/AAAAAAAAByc/wQaxa-FKEw0/s1600/Logos_StargateSG1_v2.jpg)
90 Points, 5 of 18 lists, #4 Tripe
Exploring the galaxy, meeting new cultures, jeopardy, saving the world, that kind of thing ... we get paid for this, right?
https://www.youtube.com/v/dR90P1GhZA4

The Premise
When an ancient artifact known as the Stargate that is capable to travelling to different worlds, a military task force is created.  The group’s mission: to explore alien worlds and defend against alien threats.  As the group travels from world to world, they discover that many of the civilizations they meet are the basis for various mythologies on Earth.

 Great Episode
 The Lost City
Despite being a backdoor pilot for another TV series, “The Lost City” is a great two-parter in its own right.  That’s probably because it was also originally intended to be a Stargate direct-to-video film/series finale until it turned out to be the season finale when the show got picked up. Here, the Stargate team discover that Anubis is days away from bringing his fleet to Earth and that the only hope might be to find the Lost City of the Ancients and with a means of stopping a seemingly unstoppable invasion.

 Big Ideas   
One of my favourite sci-fi stories is Ray Bradbury’s “And Dark They Were With Golden Eyes” and the episode “The Fifth Race” taps into that when Jack O’Neill accidentally activates a machine that gives him all of the information of the ancients.  This would be good, except that he can no longer speak English and is starting to lose more of his humanity as time passes.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 29, 2014, 06:27:11 PM
Excellent show, once watched so many episodes the theme makes Ann twitchy. :D

I like how they rewrote the aliens from the film (which is nowhere near as good). The Goa'uld, and later the Tok'Ra, are a great concept. Thor and his people are nifty too.

And The Fifth Race is one of my favourites. :)
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: BathTub on June 29, 2014, 06:42:30 PM
Yeah thought the boobs in the pilot will only set you up for disappointment for the series proper!
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 29, 2014, 06:44:29 PM
Yes, it's not as arc dependant as some shows but it definitely has developments that are referred back to, the relationship of the Humans to the Tok'Ra make no sense if you haven't seen the preceding episode featuring them I think (well they make allusions to the previous stuff I suppose but I think those still rely on previous viewing).

The tits out pilot didn't get shown in the US I thought.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 07:12:58 PM
Number 13
(http://neatnik2009.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/babylon-5-season-1-title-card.jpg)
100 Points, 8 of 18 lists, #3 Imrahil
This is the story of the last of the Babylon stations. The year is 2258. The name of the place is Babylon 5.
https://www.youtube.com/v/yXbKKhEZVVk

The Premise
Ten years after the war and the Minbari, it is time for peace, and the space station Babylon 5 (the four previous having suffered various disastrous fates) is designed for all races to meet and make peace.  However, these things are easier said than gun, and soon while Babylon 5 is also home to a hope for peace, it also houses ambition, conspiracies, grudges and unfinished business.  Even worse, things on Earth are starting to take a totalitarian turn and out in the day, an evil race thought only to be legend is returning…

 Great Episode
 Severed Dreams
Winner of the 1997 Hugo Award for best dramatic presentation, this episode begins with Babylon 5 taking in a damaged ship on the run from the Earth government, now under martial law under the rule of President Clark.  It is revealed that Earth is bombing Mars, closing down news organization and is now about to send a force to take control of Babylon 5.  Meanwhile, Delenn is dealing with the Grey Council of her race, angered at their refusal to protect races that aren’t their own.   Though the situations were very dark in season three, this episode shows the strength of the characters as they make some hard choices and take bold stances for the greater good.

 Big Ideas   
How does one define death?  That’s a question in the episode “Passing Through Gethesmane”.  When the religious Brother Edward gets a black rose as a gift, he is perplexed, and even becomes worried when he begins to hear whispers and a woman’s screams.  Soon he discovers that he was once a serial killer called the Black Rose Killer until he was “executed” with a death of personality, in which is mind is erased and restructured to be a better person.  Seems that people looking for revenge on the Black Rose killer plan to “resurrect” him with the help of a telepath in order to get revenge, putting into question whether Edward can every truly be a different person.  Though the show was famous for its scope and long-running arcs, this one-off works as a great classic sci-fi tale.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 29, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
I've only seen one episode of it all the way through. Worth watching in order or what?

I think most of the first season you could watch in random order, but they really started to rely on you knowing some stuff from previous episodes probably about half way through season 2 (around the time of the episode Tripe mentions where they start to interact with the Tok'ra).

Really expected SG1 and B5 to be in the top 10....
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 08:19:02 PM
Number 12
(http://slouchingtowardsthatcham.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/battlestar-galactica.jpg)
119 Points, 5 of 18 lists, #1 MartyS (Gromit)
God has a plan for you Gaius. He has a plan for everything and everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Zu0FMaEneO0

The Premise
In a distant star system, the 12 human colonies are decimated by the robots known as the Cylons.  With only 50,000 remaining from those colonies (mostly due to being on civilian ships at the time), they try to survive under the aegis of the Battlestar Galactica, desperately fighting for survival against impossible odds and trying to reach the legendary refuge known as Earth.

 Great Episode
 Revelations
It’s a tense hostage situation and the Cylons and the humans begin their intense negotiations.  Some humans are revealed as Cylons but even that reveal pales in comparison to where the episode heads, with a major reveal (which would have been a bitch of a cliffhanger if the show didn’t get picked up again)

 Big Ideas   
The mini-series that kicks things off certainly isn’t the show at its strongest but things certainly turn around with the tense “33” where the characters are found an impossible situation.  The Cylons have caught up with the Galactica, but everytime the Galactica gets away, only to find out that the Cylons reappear after every 33 minutes.   The situation manages to up the stakes even quicker, making the battle for survival seemingly impossible.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: BathTub on June 29, 2014, 09:01:47 PM
Quote
God has a plan for you Gaius. He has a plan for everything and everyone.

Pity the writers didn't.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: BathTub on June 29, 2014, 09:02:51 PM
Yeah thought the boobs in the pilot will only set you up for disappointment for the series proper!

Couple of real knuckleheads, huh?

There is a very graphic scene in the pilot that I was very surprised to see the last time I rewatched it.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 09:04:30 PM
The producers decided that after the pilot that the stargate would no longer be powered by blowjobs.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 29, 2014, 09:09:44 PM
Yeah thought the boobs in the pilot will only set you up for disappointment for the series proper!

Couple of real knuckleheads, huh?

There is a very graphic scene in the pilot that I was very surprised to see the last time I rewatched it.

Was that the new version that came out a few years ago?  I still haven't watched that cut of the pilot yet.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 09:20:09 PM
Number 11
(http://media.agonybooth.com/images/trek/ds9_title.jpg)
125 Points, 8 of 18 lists, #2 CJones, Compound & Soguru
  We are explorers. We explore our lives day by day, and we explore the galaxy trying to expand the boundaries of our knowledge. And that is why I am here: not to conquer you with weapons or ideas, but to coexist and learn.
https://www.youtube.com/v/2TsMyLt2BTM

The Premise
Deep Space Nine is a Federation space station that was moved near the Bajoran  Wormhole that leads to a faraway sector of space, making Deep Space Nine a center for exploration, interstellar trade, political maneuvering, and even conflict.  The station is commanded by Benjamin Sisko, a grieving widower who has found himself a religious figure by many of the Bajorans, the race that lives beyond the wormhole.

 Great Episode
 Far Beyond the Stars
Sisko considers leaving star fleet after the loss of a friend hits him hard.  But soon he is having visions of himself as a science fiction writer in the 50’s, with all of his crew as people that he knows in the past.  The writer creates a story, Deep Space Nine, which features an African American commander, making it difficult for him to publish.  A great, powerful episode that is about forward thinking science fiction while being light on the actual stuff.

 Big Ideas   
I’m always fascinated by ideas of trying to deal punishment in a more humane way, but may be as bad as or worse than the original.  In the episode “Hard Time”, O’Brien asks the wrong question is given 20 years imprisonment… almost instantly.   With the crew too late to prevent the punishment, O’Brien’s cruel punishment is over in a second.  Years weren’t stolen, but perhaps some element of his humanity was…
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 29, 2014, 09:20:33 PM
Last 10 tomorrow.  Good night!
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Soguru on June 29, 2014, 11:15:11 PM
Deep space nine captured my imagination more than any other Star Trek series. Those people felt like my family even more than the crew of the original Enterprise. DS9's greatest advantage was that it had more freedom to explore unique story possibilities. One week you had a complex, intricate and clever two part story about Garak and Odo stumbling upon a Tal Shiar and Obsidian order fleet assigned to annihilate the founders(Improbable Cause/The Die is cast). Before long, you had a deeply and emotionally compelling story about Odo expressing his feelings for Major Kira as she gets stuck inside some kind of odd growing crystal... (Heart of Stone). Less action, but more emotion and an actual, genuine sense of urgency and tension led to a great ending worthy of The original Twilight Zone.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: BathTub on June 30, 2014, 12:11:20 AM
Yeah thought the boobs in the pilot will only set you up for disappointment for the series proper!

Couple of real knuckleheads, huh?

There is a very graphic scene in the pilot that I was very surprised to see the last time I rewatched it.

Was that the new version that came out a few years ago?  I still haven't watched that cut of the pilot yet.

This was the original season 1 DVDs so a 10+ years ago or so.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 04:50:11 AM
 
Number 10
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Red_Dwarf_logo.png)
127, 7 out of 18 lists, #2 Goflyblind
   Look, I'm trying to navigate at faster than the speed of light, which means that before you see something, you've already passed through it. Even with an IQ of 6000, it's still brown-trousers time.
https://www.youtube.com/v/00powkXPhDg

The Premise
Lister is a slob and a low level worker for the mining space ship Red Dwarf, who has just snuck a cat aboard.  However, this is a criminal act on a ship for fear of the spread of disease and Lister is asked to give up the cat.  He refuses and goes into stasis where he will be frozen until he can be brought back to Earth for penalization.  When Lister wakes up, he discovers 3,000,000 years has past, the crew having died shortly after he was frozen.  Now Lister, the last human alive, is accompanied his seemingly endless journey home with the ship’s computer, a cat-like being who descended from the pregnant cat that was brought aboard and a hologram of Lister’s incredibly uptight, neurotic and irritable supervisor.  Together they travel the universe encountering the remnants of humanities colonization of space.

Great Episode
Marooned
Lister and Rimmer have always been stuck together, but now the two are stuck in a much more dire situation when they crash land on an icy planet.  This isn’t one of the more high-concept episodes, but it explores the characters of Rimmer and Lister a bit more with a lean, funny episode.

 Big Ideas   
The Red Dwarf crew’s worst enemy is always themselves, even when it is someone else.  In “The Inquisitor”, the crew encounter an android so long lived, it decided to go back in time and alter history to prevent their sperm from reaching the egg that made a person.  When he comes to judge the crew, the inquisitor finds that for full fairness, they must be their own judges.  After the judgment is complete, those found guilty escape, only to find themselves in a new reality where a better version of themselves exist.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: goflyblind on June 30, 2014, 05:08:19 AM
quagaars; double "a", actually.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: ScottotD on June 30, 2014, 05:31:14 AM
Dwarf would hold up *SO* much better if not for Kryten's gurning  :(
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 05:53:38 AM
Number 9
(http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/article_main_half/public/title_26.jpg?itok=a8drNErA)
  146 Points, 12 of 18 lists, #1 Anais.Butterfly
Oh Boy…
https://www.youtube.com/v/DjK9GJMBpt0

The Premise
Dr. Sam Beckett, a brilliant scientist who theorized that one could travel in his own lifetime one day vanished after stepping into his own machine.  Now Sam Beckett has a Swiss cheese memory and is in the body of another man.  He gets help from Al, a friend from his own time projected as a hologram that only Sam can see or hear, and both get help from Ziggy, a super-computer that same created.  Soon Sam learns that to leave the body, he must avoid a tragedy, and soon Sam is leaping from life to life, making history better in small but significant ways.

 Great Episode
Jimmy
Quantum Leap dealt with a lot of social injustice by putting Sam into the bodies of people who are disenfranchised or outsiders.  In Jimmy, he ends up in the body of a man with Down’s syndrome named Jimmy and must prove that the character can find a place in society or Jimmy will end up in a mental institution.  Another great episode that tackles the injustices of the past and puts Sam in a situation where he must fight hard even to be listened too.

Big Ideas   
It was long hinted that Sam’s quest might be set out by God or some mysterious higher power, but whoever is responsible (considering Sam’s memory, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Sam himself) knows that social injustice doesn’t end with humans when Sam ends up in the body of a chimpanzee.  In “The Wrong Stuff” Sam must reveal cruel tests that are killing Chimps and finding out that he is capable of leaping into animals, which could have been stupid, but really works and fits in well with the series’ mission statement of compassion towards others.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: anais.butterfly on June 30, 2014, 06:26:08 AM

Big Ideas   
It was long hinted that Sam’s quest might be set out by God or some mysterious higher power, but whoever is responsible   (considering Sam’s memory, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Sam himself) knows that social injustice doesn’t end with humans when Sam ends up in the body of a chimpanzee.  In “The Wrong Stuff” Sam must reveal cruel tests that are killing Chimps and finding out that he is capable of leaping into animals, which could have been stupid, but really works and fits in well with the series’ mission statement of compassion towards others.

Wow, that idea is awesome. Now I like the series even more. Also, that would make me much more satisfied with the ending.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 06:41:01 AM
Though I'm an atheist, I'm kind of OK with the idea if God had a hand, unless if it was ever overtly expressed.  The show somehow felt religious yet non-denominational to me, expressing all the good values of most religions, while keeping things ambiguous enough where it emphasized said values over mythos.  If anything, it's something those God-awful Christian films could take notes from (you know things are bad when Fireproof is one of the better films).

But yeah, I totally believe Sam could have looked up enough injustices for a lifetime and set him on his journey or finished his leaping and garaunteed Sam did all the stuff.

Actually, that is one thing I really liked about the last episode.  Sam did miss home a bit, but it always felt like his big priority was helping others from the get-go.  Of course, he'd just keep going.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 06:43:27 AM
Number 8
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--5BnpnDrXmc/UOzqXsHZOgI/AAAAAAAAAVI/N1cgAad92TY/s1600/x+files+1.jpg)
  179 Points, 12 of 18 lists, #4 ScottotD
I want to believe
https://www.youtube.com/v/rbBX6aEzEz8

The Premise
FBI Agent Dana Scully has just been assigned to assist (and debunk) the investigations of Agent Fox “Spooky” Mulder, who has dedicated his once promising career to the X-Files.  The X-Files are cases that have no logical explanation and are thought to be paranormal in nature, which Fox seems to have full faith in investigating.  Though Scully has her doubts, she can’t deny that something strange is happening in these cases and forms a strong team with Mulder.  She soon finds that Mulder believes that his sister was abducted by aliens and believes that alien abductions have ties to a massive government conspiracy.

 Great Episode
Jose Chung’s From Outer Space
Largely considered to be the show’s strongest episodes, it is also the one that intentionally undercuts its own mythology by exploring the inherent ridiculous of it.  Largely a comedic episode (though with some underlying melancholy and darkness), this episode starts with a seemingly generic alien abduction that gets increasingly strange the more is learned.  Can the truth be learned, or will human nature and the inability to be truly objective get in the way.  Also, Alex Trebek is to be feared.

Big Ideas   
Not only does the episode have a great premise, but episode writer Vince Gilligan turned the premise into Breaking Bad… sort of.  When a man discovers he has a brain tumor that is sure to kill him, he also discovers it has given him the power to manipulate others simply by talking to them.  One neat touch is the subtle ways he does things, never doing overt “do my bidding” stuff, but saying subtle things that affect people’s actions or behaviors.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 07:10:02 AM
Number 7
(http://thumbnails.cbsig.net/CBS_Production_Entertainment/702/858/ETZ50TITLE_640x480.jpg)
  185 Points, 11 of 18 lists, #2 Imrahil
You unlock this door with the key of imagination. 
https://www.youtube.com/v/NzlG28B-R8Y

The Premise
The Twilight Zone is an anthology that explores the human condition through the genres of fantasy, science fiction, horror and suspense, tackling issues related to social justice, human nature and the unknown.  Most of the stories feature a O. Henry-like twist and often features a karmic sense of cosmic justice that can either being rewarding, forgiving or damning, depending on the nature of the characters.

 Great Episode
Such a classic show, I’ll do two.
The Silence
Selected by Soguru, this classic episode features no fantastical elements, but is a tight thriller about two men who take a simple bet (“No talking for a year”) way to far.
The Invaders
This episode, like “After Hours”, has a good twist, but one that is secondary to the sheer terror the episodes exude.  In this story, a woman is terrorized in her home by a tiny flying saucer.  The episode is lean, mostly silent and focuses its time setting up the tension as a woman tries to defeat the tiny craft before we get the usual twist.

Big Ideas   
In “The Monsters are Due on Maple Street”, the Twilight Zone shows why it was such a significant show.  When Serling first went off to do it, some reporter asked him if he was done with “serious stories”, with sci-fi being ghettoized at the time.  However, like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, it used metaphor to address social issues that might have gotten the show in trouble if it used specific contemporary topics, which made such episodes timeless rather than dated.  This episode explores paranoia and scapegoating when a small suburb in America suddenly finds its power going out.  Something strange is happening and the neighbors try to find the truth, only to find themselves turning on a neighbor who mysterious has power.  One of the best.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2014, 08:58:54 AM
Yeah thought the boobs in the pilot will only set you up for disappointment for the series proper!

Couple of real knuckleheads, huh?

There is a very graphic scene in the pilot that I was very surprised to see the last time I rewatched it.

Was that the new version that came out a few years ago?  I still haven't watched that cut of the pilot yet.

This was the original season 1 DVDs so a 10+ years ago or so.

Looking it up that is the only version that still has the boobs (Showtime told them to put a nude scene in the pilot to get a higher rating), the newer version has that scene edited along with a lot of other changes.  Some of the dialog changes don't make sense to me.

The version streaming on Amazon Prime is the original TV edit.  So no boobs but everything else the same.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 09:30:29 AM
Number 6
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aoltv.com/media/2005/06/19140459_d404d526ba.jpg)
  212 Points, 11 of 17 lists, #1 Space Version 2.0
YOU WATCHED IT!  YOU CAN’T UNWATCH IT!
https://www.youtube.com/v/xA_goQ_qEMA

The Premise
Phillip J Fry, a delivery boy in a dead end job gets frozen at a cryogenics lab for 1,000 years and wakes up to discover a brave new world… and that the job most suited to him is delivery boy.  Fry doesn’t like this is joined by Leela (a one-eyed career placement officer) and Bender (a criminal robot who bent girders used for suicide booths) to desert their assigned careers.  Soon they join the Planet Express, run by Fry’s great, great, great, great, etc. etc. grandnephew Prof. Fransworth, where Fry finally finds his true calling as an intergalactic… delivery boy.

 Great Episode
Roswell That Ends Well
Though the show initially stayed away from time travel for a long time, this hilarious episode helped introduce it in a big way.  In this hilarious episode, the crew of the planet express is accidentally sent back in time thanks to the sun and some metal in a microwave and find themselves shot back to Roswell, New Mexico and discover that they are the famous UFO.  The team must work together to find a way back (and to a much lesser extent, save Zoidberg), while Fry decides to protect his own grandfather only to find out who his grandfather REALLY is.

Big Ideas   
I hate to go with another time travel episode, but this smart, funny and poignant (in parts) episode “The Late Phillip J Fry” features a unique spin.  When Fry and Bender help the Professor test his “goes forward only” time machine, they accidentally travel 10,000 years into the future instead of 10 minutes.  The group decides going forward might be their only hope to get back, only to find more future societies that can’t help them.  Mostly the set up works as a gag machine (and a great one at that) but it also features some cool sci-fi ideas, including a fantastic climax in which the characters, having lost hope of returning, decide to kick back, drink a beer and watch the universe end in fast forward.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Pak-Man on June 30, 2014, 09:43:56 AM
So I had started to write up a list of favorite episodes for my picks, but then I got sidetracked and never got around to finishing it. What's weird is that every show I voted for so far has had the episode I was going to list under either great episode or big ideas.

... I didn't accidentally send my unfinished list of favorite episodes, did I? Or is this just a great minds thing? :^)
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 09:51:59 AM
The latter, my friend.

Oh, and can you sticky the "Submit the next list" thread?
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 09:53:02 AM
Number 5
(http://monkeyblogmonkeydo.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/firefly-title-card-logo.jpg)
  220, 13 of 18 lists, #1 Cole Stratton & Goflyblind
Burn the land
Boil the sea
You can’t take the sky from me
https://www.youtube.com/v/D7vS4z6ngQo
(no credits sequence on youtube?  What a crime!)

The Premise
After the Independents lost the Unification War at the Battle of Serenity, former Independent soldier Malcolm Reynolds decided he didn’t want to live under the thumb of the Alliance Government.  So he bought himself a Firefly class starship and gathered a crew to do odd jobs across the system, both legal and questionable.  Mal’s life is soon complicated by some new crewmembers, which include two fugitives from the Alliance.  But Mal never passes up a chance to mess with the Alliance (despite what he may say) and the crew continues to work for the money that keeps them in the sky, free travel the black and living under the will of no one but themselves.

 Great Episode
War Stories
A great action-packed episodes with some great jokes and some interesting revelations.  In this one, pilot Wash is getting tired of knowing less about his wife Zoe than his Mal does (seeing as they were comrade-in-arms during the war).  So Wash decides to go on a mission with Mal so he can get his own stories… only to be captured by a sadistic and dissatisfied former client.  Soon the other crew begins a mission to get them back, which we see sides to certain characters we haven’t seen before.

Big Ideas   
The Hands of Blue are some scary dudes.  Though only making brief appearances in the series (particularly “Ariel”), these mysterious Men in Black types go around murdering ANYONE who has encountered River Tam, a girl who is a tortured genius full of mysteries after being sent to a “school” for gifted children.  Their nastiest weapon: a little humming stick, that causes hemorrhaging in anyone in the vicinity accept for the Hands.  Spooky.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: k1 on June 30, 2014, 10:57:50 AM
I forgot to include "The Time Traveling Adventures of Low Rent Nomar Garciaparra!" on my list. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_(TV_series)
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2014, 11:26:23 AM
Doh! I can't believe I left Futurama off my list...
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 01:51:05 PM
Number 4
(http://johnagerhome.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/doctor-who-titles.gif?w=700)
  232 Points, 12 of 18 lists, #1 Johnny Unusual, Soguru & Tripe
Our lives are different to anybody else's. That's the exciting thing, that nobody in the universe can do what we're doing.
https://www.youtube.com/v/a1AnTi1X2QM

The Premise
When school teachers Barbara and Ian decide to investigate a mysterious new student, they discover she is living in a police box.  When they examine it, they are shocked to find it is larger on the inside than on the out.  When they meet Susan’s grandfather, a mysterious old man named the Doctor, he reveals that this police box can travel through time and space and fearing that they might reveal his secret, he takes them on his journey.  As time moves on, the Doctor meets and loses friends, encounters terrible threats and changes from a cantankerous old man to an adventurer with compassion for humanity and a love for discovery in a journey that he hopes will never end…

 Great Episode
Obviously with this much history, I got to go with two, one from the original and one from the rebirth.

City of Death
Though there are lots of classic episodes, City of Death is definitely one of the most fun episodes, thanks to a spectacular script from Douglas Adams, and some great actors bringing it to life (it’s very rare that the villain is as witty and fun as the Doctor).  In fact, this classic came out in an era when the show was in decline after all that Mary Whitehouse bullcrap that was intended to keep the show more kid friendly (though is probably responsible for its most nihilistic era).  While many shows struggled under the guidelines, this one shows show at the top of its game.

Blink
As recommended by Soguru, this adventure actually features very little of the Doctor and a terrifying new threat: the Weeping Angels.  With a great script from future showrunner Stephan Moffit, this adventure features some great scares, some clever use of time travel and a few touching moments.

Big Ideas   
Really, I got to say the whole show is a brilliant idea.  Even early on it created an elegant way for characters to travel to any sort of story, certain aspects born out of necessity created ways to keep the show going (regeneration) or perfect icons (the TARDIS remaining a police box).  But if I need to go with an episode-specific example, “The Mind Robber” came up with a cool approach to meta story-telling.  The characters end up in a world of fiction, but what makes it really cool is the rules of the world and the idea that fictional characters are just hollow echoes of the past that are rich enough to be mistaken for real people at first blush.  A fun, wild episode that is both whimsical while giving the audience an ironically credible threat.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 02:15:45 PM
Number 3
(http://media.agonybooth.com/images/trek/tng_title.jpg)
  241, 14 of 18 lists, #1 Villa Allegra
Let's make sure that history never forgets the name Enterprise.
https://www.youtube.com/v/qvX5tCo6FeM

The Premise
The USS Enterprise continues its mission under the command of the worldly and wise Captain Jean-Luc Picard.  With a unique crew including a blind engineer, a Klingon security officer, an empathic councilor, and an android lieutenant, the Enterprise is there is explore new worlds, foster peace and fight for the rights of all sentient beings.

 Great Episode
The Best of Both World
One of the more action based episodes, this two parter featured the return of the Borg, a race of cyborgs who assimilate any other sentience life forms.  The last time the Enterprise encountered the Borg, they barely survived, only escaping by admitting their weakness to a more powerful being.  Now they are alone, quickly losing to a race to whom the crew’s values of compassion, mercy and diplomacy mean nothing.  Soon things go from bad to worse in a classic cliffhanger that wouldn’t be resolved until the next season (I had a friend who was really bothered by that).  The Borg where grotesquely overused after that, but here they remained something truly horrifying in the Star Trek universe.

Big Ideas   
In the original series most robots were either emotionless or childish and broken, if not both.  Things changed in the Next Generation, most notably in the fantastic episode “The Measure of a Man”, in which Picard must defend Data against a man who wants to dismantle him against his will in order to build more.  This is a great episode that represents some of the best aspects of Star Trek, where characters use wisdom and compassion (yeah, I used the word twice, but I couldn’t think of a better one) to fight for a greater good.  Even the “villain” is treated humanely in this one.  Definitely worth check out.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 03:27:48 PM
Number 2
(http://popculturezoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Star-Trek-or-series-logo.jpg)
  260 Points, 15 of 18 lists, #1 Charles Hussein Castle, Compound & Imrahil
They used to say that if Man was meant to fly, he'd have wings. But he did fly. He discovered he had to.
https://www.youtube.com/v/hdjL8WXjlGI

The Premise
After the Earth has achieved an era of peace, they form a United Federation of Planets with other alien races and create a Starfleet.  One ship in the fleet, the USS Enterprise, is on a five year mission of exploration for all of mankind.  Chiefly aided by the coldly logical Mr. Spock and the humane, though grumpy, Leonard “Bones” McCoy, Captain James T. Kirk leads his international crew through situations where their intelligence and their humanity are valuable tools in making the universe a better place.

 Great Episode
OK, I’m doing two again, because I need to choose between two very different episodes.

The City on the Edge of Forever
Though the original script was supposedly even better (not surprising since it is a Harlan Ellison script), this classic episode is still a triumph that explores the human side to the character.  When Spock and Kirk travel in time to find a missing Bones, Kirk meets and becomes enamored of Edith Keeler, a pacifist who’s values mirror Kirks… and may accidentally lead to a disastrous alternate history, leading Kirk into a dilemma that even he can’t find an easy solution too.  Great emotional stuff.

Mirror, Mirror
On the other side, here is an entertaining, dark adventure that flips the world we are familiar with upside down.  The Enterprise encounters an alternate universe where the Federation has been warped into a totalitarian society and all of the characters are more horrible versions of the characters we’ve come to love.  Though the episode is much parodied, it really is a shock to see such a cruel, cynical alternative to the main cast and help popularize the idea of parallel worlds in pop culture.  And it is fun to watch the cast playing their other selves.

Big Ideas   
Though “Amok Time” might seem like one of the less cosmic episodes, it does toy with big ideas for a science fiction franchise by giving more details about an alien culture that was largely unknown before this.  Though this episode doesn’t go too deep into Vulcan culture, save for Pon Far, which drives the episode, it gives enough to imply a much deeper culture that continues on even after the credits role.  This episode did a lot of work in deepening the Star Trek mythos and building fascinating cultures within the world (later done to great effect with the Klingons).  Yes, this is the Kirk Vs. Spock episode, but it is also a strong character episode that works really well.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 03:28:46 PM
Number 1
(http://www.fanboy.com/archive-images/mst3k-logo.jpg)
  273 Points, 16 of 18 lists, #1 George Harrison & ScottotD
You know guys, this whole situation, stuck on this satellite, forced to watch cheesy movies, interacting with other life forms… it kinda bites.
https://www.youtube.com/v/-sHNDfUw7p8

The Premise
When Gizmonics janitor Joel Robinson is shanghaied by some made scientists and forced to watch the world’s worst movies to test his sanity, he builds robot friends to help him by talking back to the movies.  Thus began a decade long battle (plus a 500 year hiatus) between the forces of the silly Satellite of Love and the equally silly (though malevolent) Mads!  Hilarity ensues.

Great Episode
Obvious I got to pick a great one from each era.  Oh, and because of the theme, they all had to be sci-fi movies.

Pod People
A classic and a big step up from the shaky first two seasons, this episode shows Joel and the bots on the top of their game in this weird and sadistic European E.T. rip-off.  Classic bits include doing magic things, various potatoes and “McCloud”.  I don’t know what made this one so special, but this movie really brought out the best in Best Brains.

Night of the Blood Beast
Maybe I’m alone here, but I think the very short 7th season might be the series best, with very well chosen, lively movies and equally lively writing.  Night of the Blood Beast is a very funny one that also features lots of pregnant and Steve jokes and a hilarious finale with a monster that looks like a guy in a burned parrot mascot costume.

Big Ideas   
Well, it was really a funny ideas show, but there are lots of good episodes with cool ideas used in ridiculous and incomprehensible movies such as “The Creeping Terror” and “Overdrawn at the Memory Bank”, which are well worth checking out!
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 03:31:29 PM
Thanks so much for playing everyone!  It was a lot of fun and so satisfying making a list for 18 people, and everyone was real cool!

And if you want to host a list, please PM me with your ideas (read more below).  Try to get it in by June 2nd.  Voting begins on June 3rd.

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=29109.0

Thanks bunches folks!  Feel free to discuss the results and share your lists!
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: goflyblind on June 30, 2014, 03:35:56 PM
thanks, johnny! :clap:

here's mine:
01. Firefly
02. Red Dwarf
03. Futurama
04. Doctor Who
05. MST3k
06. Star Trek: TNG
07. X-Files
08. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
09. Star Trek: TOS
10. Orphan Black
11. Fringe
12. Battlestar Galactica (2004)
13. Torchwood
14. The Outer Limits (1995)
15. Gravity Falls
16. Dollhouse
17. Chuck
18. Earth 2
19. Warehouse 13
20. Sliders
21. Star Trek: Enterprise
22. The Prisoner (1967)
23. Almost Human
24. Quantum Leap
25. seaQuest DSV
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2014, 03:50:27 PM
Ha, MST3K as #1, guess I should have seen that coming but I never think of it as science fiction at all, pure comedy for me....

Kind of shocked that the original BSG made it on but Space 1999 didn't.  That's the only major oversight I can think of.  Only ones I would quibble over being on the list are the Batmans and I guess 3rd Rock From The Sun.

Here's mine (forgot Futurama, not sure where I'd place it, maybe 9th, and kick Earth 2 off):

1 Battlestar Galactica 2004
2 Star Trek (TOS)
3 Doctor Who
4 Star Trek Next Generation
5 Stargate SG-1
6 Firefly
7 Babylon 5
8 Star Trek Deep Space 9
9 Stargate Atlantis
10 Enterprise

11 Red Dwarf
12 Space 1999
13 Farscape
14 Eureka
15 Torchwood
16 Warehouse 13
17 Star Trek Voyager
18 Blake's 7

19 Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea
20 Andromeda
21 Battlestar Galactica 1978
22 SeaQuest DSV
23 Lexx
24 Earth 2
25 Lost In Space

Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Pak-Man on June 30, 2014, 04:18:21 PM
My list:

1. Rick and Morty
2. Venture Brothers
3. Futurama
4. Cowboy Bebop
5. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

6. Space Dandy
7. Transformers
8. Star Wars: The Clone Wars
9. MST3K
10. Twilight Zone
11. Sealab 2021
12. Firefly
13. Invader Zim

14. Marvel: Agents of SHIELD
15. Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
16. Quantum Leap
17. Dollhouse
18. Sliders
19. The Jetsons
20. ALF
21. Lost in Space
22. The Incredible Hulk
23. M.A.N.T.I.S.
24. Mork & Mindy
25. Knight Rider
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Soguru on June 30, 2014, 06:16:03 PM
25. Lois and Clark: The new adventures of Superman
24. The Lone Gunmen
23. The Greatest American Hero
22. Sliders
21. The Outer Limits
20. Heroes
19. Farscape
18. Orphan Black
17. V
16. Transformers
15. 3rd rock from the sun
14. Avatar
13. Justice League Unlimited
12. Babylon 5
11. Battlestar Galactica (new series)
10. Star Trek: the original series
9. Life on mars (UK)
8. Lost
7. The Twilight Zone(original)
6. The X-files
5. Star Trek: The Next Generation
4. Quantum Leap
3. Mystery science theater 3000
2. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
1. Dr Who
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: The Lurker on June 30, 2014, 07:37:42 PM
If I had remembered to send a list in (or even make one) this would probably be somewhere on the list.
http://www.youtube.com/v/k3EoBl5uBfU
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on June 30, 2014, 08:01:39 PM
Will post my list tomorrow, there's s bunch I should have included, more tomorrow.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 30, 2014, 08:11:26 PM
1.   Doctor Who
2.   Futurama
3.   The Twilight Zone
4.   Firefly
5.   The Prisoner
6.   Star Trek
7.   Justice League/Unlimited
8.   Star Trek: The Next Generation
9.   Cowboy Bebop
10.   The Venture Brothers
11.   Batman: The Animated Series

12.   Life on Mars
13.   Samurai Jack
14.   Quantum Leap
15.   Red Dwarf

16.   Trigun
17.   X-Files
18.   Babylon 5
19.   Farscape

20.   Planetes
21.   Dollhouse
22.   Nowhere Man
23.   MST3k
24.   Sliders
25.   Galaxy Express 999

Am I the only one who remembers Nowhere Man?  It was a pretty cool show that was basically an homage to both the Prisoner and the Fugitive.

https://www.youtube.com/v/5XPXiY4ncCE

Dollhouse would have been higher if it went on longer and if the starts of it's seasons were as strong as the latter halves.  Also, I like Eliza Dushku but she really didn't have the range that the show demanded of her (interestingly, many of the other actors did). Still, kudos to Fox for giving it a second season.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: ScottotD on June 30, 2014, 09:47:01 PM
1. Mst3k
2. Doctor Who
3. Futurama
4. X-Files
5. Batman: The Animated Series
6. Sealab 2021 
8. Invader ZIM

9. Rick and Morty
10. Red Dwarf
12. The Venture Bros.

13. Æon Flux
14. The Twilight Zone
15. Ultimate Spider-Man
16. Star Trek: TNG
17. Star Wars: The Clone Wars
18. Life on Mars (UK version)

19. Eureka
20. Millennium
21. Torchwood
22. Ashes to Ashes
23. Star Trek
24. V
25. Young Justice

Like I said, a LOT more animation in my list than I expected. 
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: BathTub on June 30, 2014, 09:54:02 PM
Yeah I remember enjoying Nowhere Man, but I recall it was cancelled before resolved.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: MightyJack on July 01, 2014, 12:56:18 AM

1.   Mystery Science Theater 3000 - Damn skippy!
2.   Lexx
3.   Red Dwarf
4.   Firefly
5.   The Outer Limits (original)
6.   X-Files
7.   Star Trek (original)
8.   Fringe
9.   Twilight Zone (Original)
10.   Justice League Unlimited
11.   Batman The Animated Series

12.   Six Million Dollar Man - odd that Bionic Woman made it, but this one didn't.
13.   Batman ‘66
14.   The Tick (animated)

15.   Smallville
16.   Wonder Woman
17.   The Bionic Woman
18.   Quantum Leap

19.   The Incredible Hulk
20.   Land of the Lost
21.   Dark Angel
22.   The Prisoner
23.   Sliders

24.   The Invaders
25.   The Flash
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Space version 2.0 on July 01, 2014, 04:31:08 AM

15. 3rd rock from the sun

Best moment
http://www.youtube.com/v/uLTqY7tMzFE?version=3&amp;hl=en_US
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: CJones on July 01, 2014, 07:25:06 AM
If I had remembered to send a list in (or even make one) this would probably be somewhere on the list.
http://www.youtube.com/v/k3EoBl5uBfU


Too bad you didn't. I had Galaxy Rangers on my list.

Here's mine:

1 Legend of the Galactic Heroes (Hands down the best space opera ever. It's like an animated Game of Thrones, but in space)
2 Star Trek: Deep Space 9
3 Doctor Who
4 Star Trek: The Next Generation
5 Battlestar Galactica (the new one)
6 Stargate - SG1
7 Star Trek (the original one)

8 Galaxy Rangers
9 Buck Rogers in the 25 Century
10 Stargate: Atlantis
11 Transformers
12 Farscape
13 Star Trek: Voyager

14 Voltron
15 Battlestar Galactica (The original one)
16 Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water
17 Pole Position
18 Eureka
19 The Mighty Orbots
20 Babylon 5 (I know this should rank higher, but I could never get into it)
21 Knight Rider
22 MASK
23 Starship Troopers (Yes there was a TV show version, produced by Verhoven himself. Unfortunately, it was never finished.)
24 Star Trek: Enterprise
25 Gundam

Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Tripe on July 01, 2014, 10:19:15 AM
Here's mine, sorry the quality on some of the vids is pants, nobody seems to have remastered old shows more's the pity.

1 Doctor Who
2 Starfleet
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
3 Life on Mars
4 Stargate SG1

5 Saphire & Steel
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
6 Quatermass and the Pit
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
7 Blake's Seven
8 Red Dwarf
9 Firefly
10 Babylon 5

11 Ulysses 31
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
12 Hyperdrive
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
13 Sliders
14 Galloping Galaxies
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
15 The Girl From Tomorrow
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
16  Under The Mountain
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
17 Children of the Dogstar
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
18 Deep Space Nine
19 Star Trek: The Next Generation
20 Star Trek: The Original Series

21 Hard Time On Planet Earth
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
22 Mork and Mindy
23 The X Files
24 Space 1999
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
25 Quantum Leap

And a couple I might have considered had I thought about it longer.

Space: Above and Beyond
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Space Battleship Yamato
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Gatchaman
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: Nobody on July 01, 2014, 11:23:00 AM
Had I voted, my top 4 would have been:

1.  MST3K  (Came in #1)
2.  Star Trek: The Next Generation  (Came in #3)
3.  Quantum Leap  (Came in #9)
4.  Doctor Who  (Came in #4)

Overall this is an excellent list.  Some great show, and many of the are on Netflix.  I know I'll be re-watching some of them.
Title: Re: Top 50 Sci-Fi TV Series Countdown (LoC #79)
Post by: ColeStratton on July 01, 2014, 12:15:41 PM
Good list! Here's mine:

1.   Firefly
2.   Max Headroom
3.   Orphan Black
4.   Star Trek (Original Series)
5.   Star Trek (The Next Generation)
6.   Mystery Science Theater 3000
7.   Futurama
8.   The X-Files
9.   The Twilight Zone

10.   Buffy the Vampire Slayer
11.   Quantum Leap
12.   Lost
13.   Dr. Who
14.   The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr.

15.   Angel
16.   Voltron
17.   V (original miniseries)
18.   The Outer Limits
19.   The Greatest American Hero
20.   Torchwood
21.   The Prisoner
22.   The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (BBC miniseries)
23.   Lost in Space
24.   Buck Rogers in the 25th Century
25.   Battlestar Galactica (1978)


And I really really wish I had remembered Heat Vision and Jack!