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Title: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Zeether on April 22, 2014, 11:12:27 AM
http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/04/mst3k-creator-joel-hodgson-wants-to-reboot-the-show-later-this-year/

Just saw this, not sure how to feel. A new host would be awesome, but who? David Cross? Louis CK? Patton Oswalt?
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: The Lurker on April 22, 2014, 11:34:09 AM
Here's the article that was being quoted:
http://www.wired.com/2014/04/mst3k-oral-history/ (http://www.wired.com/2014/04/mst3k-oral-history/)
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: RVR II on April 22, 2014, 11:49:48 AM
So this isn't just some BS talk then ???
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: mrbasehart on April 22, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
If they were able to get someone famous to be the host, then Patton Oswalt would be a great fit.  It'd be kinda weird though.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Sideswipe on April 22, 2014, 11:55:52 AM
I personally would prefer an unknown or relative unknown for the host role.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Not TV's Frank on April 22, 2014, 12:04:46 PM
Finally, my dream of having a letter read on MST3K can be realized. I'd try out to be an intern, but somewhere between the lost income and the immersion in bad movies and my wife would absolutely leave me. That and neither of us are in a hurry to move to Minnesota.

Yes, stick with the letter.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: MrTorso on April 22, 2014, 12:23:04 PM
I HATE TOM SERVO'S NEW VOICE
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Not TV's Frank on April 22, 2014, 12:42:51 PM
Mike was a *way* better host that the new person/host/thing.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: losingmydignity on April 22, 2014, 12:51:22 PM
It just says "host." But what about Tom and Crow? Would Trace and Josh return, I wonder?
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: doggans on April 22, 2014, 01:44:42 PM
I'd guess the new host would be a relative unknown or comedian with a cult following, possibly one who's already close with Joel and the other former Brains. Maybe Joseph Scrimshaw?
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Johnny Unusual on April 22, 2014, 01:48:28 PM
In regards to "David Cross? Louis CK? Patton Oswalt?"
No, no, and.... much closer, but I don't think so (wait, maybe as a robot voice).  And I really like all those guys, but only Patton seems like the right fit.

I'm not sure who would make a great host.  I think the closest to me would be Paul F Tompkins.  He's a bit older than I'm sure some might want from a new host, but he has experience and a certain attitude that I think works well for it.  Paul Scheer might be good.  Not only because he already hosts a bad movie podcast, but also because he has the "good natured doof" element an MST3k host needs.  Granted, he said that he's not interested in riffing (saying Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic are already doing a fine job), I still think he would be great for it.

https://www.youtube.com/v/GFU27_VJYQ0

You know who would make a great mad?  Ron Funches.

https://www.youtube.com/v/p497Eytlxjg
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: MrTorso on April 22, 2014, 01:53:42 PM
So Joel is going to go back in the studio? Wasn't that unprofitable for Cinematic Titanic? I just hope they are real sets and not green screen backdrops like they did on that Rhino bit about the Godzilla disc getting pulled.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: doggans on April 22, 2014, 02:11:40 PM
So Joel is going to go back in the studio? Wasn't that unprofitable for Cinematic Titanic? I just hope they are real sets and not green screen backdrops like they did on that Rhino bit about the Godzilla disc getting pulled.

I expect they would rebuild the sets for a new series. Of course it wasn't worth it for one five minute video, but it would be worth it for a new season.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: BathTub on April 22, 2014, 02:17:40 PM
Yeah seems strange that he couldn't make a low cost project like Cinematic Titanic work out, so aim higher? I guess it's the difference between self funded and finding someone else to fund it.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 22, 2014, 05:01:31 PM
The difference would be TV money.

DVDs are still profitable enough to keep being released (even with the rights being harder/more expensive), the show is being re-run on TV and Rifftrax is thriving.

I actually suspect this might have been the real reason for shuttering Cinematic Titanic.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: MrTorso on April 22, 2014, 05:50:52 PM
The difference would be TV money.

DVDs are still profitable enough to keep being released (even with the rights being harder/more expensive), the show is being re-run on TV and Rifftrax is thriving.

I actually suspect this might have been the real reason for shuttering Cinematic Titanic.

Are DVDs profitable?  It wasn't for CT to do studio episodes.  Anyways the article says (bold mine):

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This spring Hodgson is hoping to start a new online incarnation of the show, one that will feature a fresh (and as-yet-unannounced) host and cameos from many MST3K alumni.

At first blush it seems that Joel is going to go the RiffTrax VOD route. Which is what they probably should have done with CT. 
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 22, 2014, 05:55:09 PM
The difference would be TV money.

DVDs are still profitable enough to keep being released (even with the rights being harder/more expensive), the show is being re-run on TV and Rifftrax is thriving.

I actually suspect this might have been the real reason for shuttering Cinematic Titanic.

Are DVDs profitable?  It wasn't for CT to do studio episodes.  Anyways the article says (bold mine):

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This spring Hodgson is hoping to start a new online incarnation of the show, one that will feature a fresh (and as-yet-unannounced) host and cameos from many MST3K alumni.

At first blush it seems that Joel is going to go the RiffTrax VOD route. Which is what they probably should have done with CT.

Missed the online part - but I was talking about the MST3K DVDs, from SHOUT!
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: JP on April 22, 2014, 06:05:38 PM
I'm completely agnostic between Joel and Mike.  Don't even have to be in a particular mood to enjoy one over the other.  I think that as long as the host has fun and the riffing is more playful than hateful snark, I will enjoy the heck out of this.


Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: BathTub on April 22, 2014, 06:45:22 PM
Yeah it seems a lot of people are missing that it's online (I know I sure did initially). Which really means it's just another Rifftrax/Cinematic Titanic with increased production costs? But I guess Joel doesn't want to be the front-man anymore.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 22, 2014, 06:48:52 PM
The name will still make it an easier sell, I think. (And perhaps they will partner with SHOUT! to release them on DVD anyway?)
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Not TV's Frank on April 22, 2014, 06:54:57 PM
At first blush it seems that Joel is going to go the RiffTrax VOD route. Which is what they probably should have done with CT.

I've seen some discussion at io9.com speculating that the show could "live" on Netflix.  Shows like House of Cards have separate commentary tracks than can stream along with the show.

I personally hope it's a VOD or subscription system.  I'm hoping for a full-on "show", something we pay for - I want this to be profitable for Joel and company so it's sustainable.  I wouldn't object to an Amazon/Hulu/Netflix original.  Hell, I'll take what I can get.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: doggans on April 22, 2014, 07:15:01 PM
It would be a hilariously cruel prank if Joel actually just brought back the Mallon-helmed Flash cartoons.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Toyland Chairman on April 22, 2014, 07:40:16 PM
Yes and No. I would love to see this show return in someway, but it has to be a reunion series or even just a really good reunion film. I want the whole cast back together. Joel and Mike must go into the theater together with the robots, or they could take turns. Or just Mike.

If Joel can bring back MST3K, despite the scuffle with Jim Mallon in the past, I think a reunion film is long overdue. Save the reboot for another time.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 22, 2014, 07:51:17 PM
I actually love the idea of it being a reboot.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: KidFlash on April 22, 2014, 10:00:21 PM
I'm curious to see how an MST3k: The Next Generation would work. New host, new writers, new bots (?).

Plus, it just means that there's more of a base to start from when the inevitable 30th Anniversary Three Hosts special happens.

(Okay, I might have jumped the gun there. But the possibility of them doing their own spin on a Doctor Who special would be kind of fun.)
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Darth Geek on April 23, 2014, 05:32:43 AM
This is definitely a "wait and see" thing for me. With Joel heading it I'm sure it'll be funny. And I am glad he isn't going to be the host. But I'm more interested in what they do with the bots. And what format it takes. Unlike the rest  of you, when I heard "online series" I was thinking more along the lines of a show on Blip like the That Guy With The Glasses reviews are.
I don't think the animated cartoons Jim Mallon tried to do was a bad idea. Since they are the most entertaining part of the show outside of the riffing itself. And they would lend themselves to animation. But the problem was it just wasn't funny.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: k1 on April 23, 2014, 09:17:35 AM
The idea of Ron Funches as a mad...  ;D  That'd be hilarious!
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: RoninFox on April 23, 2014, 09:26:18 AM
The idea of Ron Funches as a mad...  ;D  That'd be hilarious!

He'd definitely be able to pull off the loveable side like Frank did.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Johnny Unusual on April 23, 2014, 10:46:27 AM
Also, he would be the only mad to out-mellow Frank.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: losingmydignity on April 23, 2014, 12:51:22 PM
If this is happens, between new MST VOD's and Rifftrax, I'm going to go broke.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: KidFlash on April 23, 2014, 01:36:53 PM
You and me both.

Look at it this way: if there's a new series, it'll be a lot easier to manage VOD/disc rights, so we may actually get season sets... which can be cheaper in the long run.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Pak-Man on April 23, 2014, 02:54:22 PM
I don't hate the idea, but it's surprising to me how little it matters to me now.

I mean, I'm excited. I hope it comes back, I plan on watching it, and I hope it's as funny as the original run, but now that I've had a steady diet of Rifftrax for a few years, it almost seems like a step backwards to go back to puppets and old movies. 10 years ago, I would have lost sleep daydreaming about the possibility of new MST3K. Now it's like- Well that's cool, but I have a few volumes of classic MST3K and about a year's worth of Rifftrax I still need to catch up on, so take your time.

Also, Jon Benjamin has an awesome riffing voice. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Darth Geek on April 23, 2014, 03:01:48 PM
Had there just been Cinematic Titanic, which didn't pan out as well as they hoped, and then they decided to do this I'd be all over it. And I still will watch for sure. But Rifftrax really IS the evolution of MST3K. Since they can do ANY movie they want. Licensing ability simply determines whether it is a MP3 or VOD. It's really the puppets and the host segment that separate it. But since Rifftrax has video capabilities, they could do skits if they chose.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 23, 2014, 04:58:50 PM
I hope you guys aren't forced to watch it!
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Darth Geek on April 23, 2014, 06:02:25 PM
I hope you guys aren't forced to watch it!
It beckons us "Come to me for I am the magnet and you are steel!"
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Frozen Penguin on April 25, 2014, 03:07:35 PM
I never got around to trying Cinematic Titanic but I'd be very interested in a new MST3K project. Not so sure about bringing someone other than Joel to host it, but I'd give it a shot.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Darth Geek on April 25, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
I have been watching Cinematic Titanic on and off. Just got a few more of theirs. The riffing is good, definitely worth the price. The segments where they pause the movie are pretty useless, though. They don't do them very often though, so it's no big deal.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 29, 2014, 05:19:27 PM
Just read that Wired article, really good stuff.

I'm sure I'll check the new show out if it happens, how good it ends up is really going to depend on who he gets as writers.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: WhackyWookiee on May 04, 2014, 12:58:38 AM
I think a healthy mix of veterans and new-blood is probably the only good idea.

The world of professional riffing is a pretty tough gig to crack. It's pretty much just the people from the original MST3K, so if they start filtering new talent in & out like SNL with a reboot, it'd probably be better for the Art form as a whole.

Then the show can run forever like SNL too.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Sideswipe on May 04, 2014, 07:29:10 AM
and slowly degrade into mediocrity like SNL too
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: RoninFox on May 04, 2014, 07:32:46 AM
SNL even at its best was never as consistently funny as MST3K. The complaints about "the current cast aren't as funny as they were when I was younger" are usually caused by the viewer forgetting all the skits that didn't work with the older cast and only focussing on the gems. The new cast has gems too, and the younger people watching right now will have the same complaint when they get older.

There's a reason whenever they make an old episode of SNL available on dvd or streaming that its cut down to 2/3 or less than its original length.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Sideswipe on May 04, 2014, 07:38:00 AM
Yes, but the hits are funnier and the misses dont suck as bad.  I dont agree with your point about consistency either, there were some really dry episodes of MST3K where I really find it hard to sit through.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Toyland Chairman on May 04, 2014, 04:42:44 PM
Here's a Story for a Reunion film I came up with.

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Joel, Mike, Crow, Tom, Gypsy, and Cam-bot awaken on the Satellite of Love II without any memory of how they got there or who built it. Pearl, Observer, and Bobo have also returned to their castle without any recollection of getting there, only that a mysterious character called "The Phantom" has ordered them to continue Dr. Forrester's original experiments.

I doubt Joel and Mike would go in at the same time, but taking turns throughout the movie could work, with maybe the four in the theater for the film's final act as a "special occasion" event. Trace and Bill could take turns as Crow, but Kevin should remain Tom, as I personally never cared for Josh in the role.

Anyway, throughout the movie, Joel and Mike would be trying to find a way off the SOL II, and then TV's Frank would return as a Soultaker. He too is working for the Phantom and mentions that they have something special planned.

The Phantom would eventually reveal himself to be Dr. Erhardt, Clayton's first assistant, who disappeared without explanation. Pearl would also recognize him. He explains that he was working on a time machine, and that he was actually sent back in time. There he became Pearl's lover, and it turns out he is Clayton's biological father. And with Frank's help, Erhardt manages to clone Clayton, return his soul, and bring him back to life.

This would've set up a sort of villains united plot to take over the universe, but I doubt a series would follow. One reunion movie is all I could ask for really.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Sideswipe on May 04, 2014, 05:01:28 PM
Its kind of a neat idea, although Crow randomly changing voices and attitudes doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Toyland Chairman on May 04, 2014, 05:04:53 PM
Its kind of a neat idea, although Crow randomly changing voices and attitudes doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 
For Crow it would probably be better if he had one voice, but changed it later. Start with Trace, and go to Bill? Or since Bill was his last voice, start with him, and switch back to Trace?
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: doggans on May 06, 2014, 06:37:56 AM
Eh, if they went with a plot like that where Forrester didn't show up until the end, but Brain Guy was there all along, they should just let Trace be Crow, since Bill's already got a role all along.

I might be overthinking this hypothetical fan pitch, though.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Sideswipe on May 06, 2014, 07:34:43 AM
Screw that.  I like Bill's Crow better.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: losingmydignity on May 06, 2014, 02:23:09 PM
First episode: they should riff Green Slime.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Toyland Chairman on May 18, 2014, 12:51:53 PM
Eh, if they went with a plot like that where Forrester didn't show up until the end, but Brain Guy was there all along, they should just let Trace be Crow, since Bill's already got a role all along.

I might be overthinking this hypothetical fan pitch, though.

I was trying to work with a good story. There would be no build-up or surprise twist if Clayton came back at the start of the episode. The only problem I think is the ending seems a bit more cliffhanger than a stand alone film.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: WhackyWookiee on May 20, 2014, 08:18:56 PM
If they do reboot MST3K then Bill, Kevin, and Mike may likely not be involved anyway.

I think they've got a gig that's doin' alright.

Maybe for a one-shot reunion but not a series, or if one day they merge the two like the AFL-NFL, or the NFL-USFL.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Toyland Chairman on May 21, 2014, 12:47:40 PM
If they do reboot MST3K then Bill, Kevin, and Mike may likely not be involved anyway.

I think they've got a gig that's doin' alright.

Maybe for a one-shot reunion but not a series, or if one day they merge the two like the AFL-NFL, or the NFL-USFL.

Simply one reunion film with all of them is all I could ask for. Surely Rifftrax isn't that time filling.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 21, 2014, 05:02:15 PM
If they do reboot MST3K then Bill, Kevin, and Mike may likely not be involved anyway.

I think they've got a gig that's doin' alright.

Maybe for a one-shot reunion but not a series, or if one day they merge the two like the AFL-NFL, or the NFL-USFL.

Simply one reunion film with all of them is all I could ask for. Surely Rifftrax isn't that time filling.

Oh, is that all you ask for? :P
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: RoninFox on May 21, 2014, 06:17:27 PM
If they do reboot MST3K then Bill, Kevin, and Mike may likely not be involved anyway.

I think they've got a gig that's doin' alright.

Maybe for a one-shot reunion but not a series, or if one day they merge the two like the AFL-NFL, or the NFL-USFL.

Simply one reunion film with all of them is all I could ask for. Surely Rifftrax isn't that time filling.

Oh, is that all you ask for? :P

That, three ice cream bars, and a pony.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Henry88 on May 22, 2014, 01:51:08 PM
If they do reboot MST3K then Bill, Kevin, and Mike may likely not be involved anyway.

I think they've got a gig that's doin' alright.

Maybe for a one-shot reunion but not a series, or if one day they merge the two like the AFL-NFL, or the NFL-USFL.

Simply one reunion film with all of them is all I could ask for. Surely Rifftrax isn't that time filling.

Oh, is that all you ask for? :P

and for it to be the green slime.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Toyland Chairman on May 24, 2014, 01:20:48 PM
If they do reboot MST3K then Bill, Kevin, and Mike may likely not be involved anyway.

I think they've got a gig that's doin' alright.

Maybe for a one-shot reunion but not a series, or if one day they merge the two like the AFL-NFL, or the NFL-USFL.

Simply one reunion film with all of them is all I could ask for. Surely Rifftrax isn't that time filling.

Oh, is that all you ask for? :P

and for it to be the green slime.

It would probably work out better if the film they riff is public domain, but riffing THE GREEN SLIME could be fun since it was the test pilot.
Title: Re: Joel wants to reboot the show with a new host.
Post by: Darth Geek on May 24, 2014, 02:08:36 PM
It seems like the rights to The Green Slime can't be that expensive.