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Title: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Henry88 on October 20, 2013, 01:51:53 PM
Footage from the first day of filming...

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/179863-4-minute-video-of-saturdays-filming-for-batman-vs-superman
Title: Re: Batman & Superman Film
Post by: RoninFox on December 04, 2013, 08:15:39 PM
We got a Wonder Woman.

http://www.toofab.com/2013/12/04/gal-godot-wonder-woman-man-of-steel-sequel/ (http://www.toofab.com/2013/12/04/gal-godot-wonder-woman-man-of-steel-sequel/)

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Gal Gadot Cast as Wonder Woman in "Man of Steel" Sequel


The Justice League just got another member.

On the heels of Ben Affleck being announced as Batman in the upcoming "Man of Steel" sequel, Gal Gadot has just been cast as Wonder Woman, according to Variety.

The gorgeous 28-year-old Israeli model-turned-actress, who starred in the "Fast & Furious" sequels, beat out online favorite Jaimie Alexander as well as Elodie Yung and Olga Kurylenko for the role.

"Wonder Woman is arguably one of the most powerful female characters of all time and a fan favorite in the DC Universe. Not only is Gal an amazing actress, but she also has that magical quality that makes her perfect for the role," director Zack Snyder said in a statement. "We look forward to audiences discovering Gal in the first feature film incarnation of this beloved character."

The Flash is also rumored to appear in the upcoming movie, but so far, no casting news there.


I don't think I've seen her act before, having never forced myself to watch a multi-hour car commercial, but she does look gorgeous.  I don't think "Amazon" when I see her though.  She might be too thin to pull off Wonder Woman.  Maybe she can buff up, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Batman & Superman Film
Post by: ScottotD on December 05, 2013, 03:05:28 AM
Fast 5 and 6 are more action movies then car movies, I found the first 2 unwatchable (and skipped the ones in the middle) but the last two are SUPER fun.  If she's the cop lady then she's a lot bigger and more athletic than she looks in that pic.
Title: Re: Batman & Superman Film
Post by: RoninFox on December 05, 2013, 03:03:13 PM
Well that sounds promising. How was she just as an actress?
Title: Re: Batman & Superman Film
Post by: ScottotD on December 05, 2013, 09:54:29 PM
Pretty good I guess, it's a Fast and Furious movie and she played a cop so it was mostly shouting while pointing a gun at Vin Diesel or nodding to things the Rock was saying.
Title: Re: Batman & Superman Film
Post by: Henry88 on January 21, 2014, 10:52:48 PM
Batman Vs. Superman: Have Massive Plot Spoilers Been Leaked by a Disgruntled Crew Member? (http://www.movieweb.com/news/batman-vs-superman-have-massive-plot-spoilers-been-leaked-by-a-disgruntled-crew-member)
The recent release date delay is rumored to have caused massive layoffs in the art department, the source for these rumors.
Title: Re: Batman & Superman Film
Post by: Henry88 on January 22, 2014, 09:03:37 PM
DC Movie News: Gal Gadot Signs Three-Picture Deal as Wonder Woman; Jennifer Garner Comments on Ben Affleck’s Batsuit; Stephen Amell Talks JUSTICE LEAGUE (http://collider.com/stephen-amell-justice-league/)


Gal Gadot Reveals The Length, Cost of Her Wonder Woman Role (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/gal-gadot-reveals-length-cost-673238)
The future Wonder Woman talked about her fee for the follow-up to "Man of Steel," as well as how many movies she's signed on for, on Israeli talk show.
Title: Re: Batman & Superman Film
Post by: Darth Geek on January 23, 2014, 10:05:39 AM
Mostly I'm just concerned with the large number of characters. Each of which needs to be introduced in this movie.
Title: Re: Batman & Superman Film
Post by: Henry88 on January 23, 2014, 10:36:48 AM
Ben Affleck threatening to quit Batman v Superman? (http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/22/ben-affleck-threatening-to-quit-batman-v-superman-4272620/)
Quote from: Ann Lee
The actor, who has taken over from Christian Bale as Batman, is said to be frustrated with how David Goyer’s script is shaping up, according to Cinematallica (http://www.cinematallica.com/exclusive-is-ben-affleck-threatening-to-quit-batman-vs-superman/).

The production has also been delayed after the film’s release was pushed back to May 6, 2016, and Affleck is reportedly concerned that the new shoot schedule will clash with his plans to direct the adaptation of Dennis Lehane’s Live By Night later this year.

The site reports: ‘It’s all getting to be a bit much for the man who would be Batman; so much so that our source says Affleck is telling Warner Bros to get their house in order ASAP or find another Caped Crusader.’

The rumour should probably be taken with a huge pinch of salt coming as it does from an unknown film blog.

In fact, the story has been blasted by writer El Mayimbe from respected film site Latino-Review.

He tweeted: ‘That Affleck threatening to quit claim is utterly RIDICULOUS.’

Mayimbe added: ‘Affleck has a relationship at that studio that goes beyond the Batman role. Affleck has zero reason to play hardball with the WB.’
Title: Re: Batman & Superman Film
Post by: Henry88 on May 13, 2014, 10:32:44 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bnhzak2CMAAmX8Z.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: BathTub on May 13, 2014, 01:16:32 PM
Looks alright so far.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: BathTub on May 14, 2014, 03:14:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/bZOj4xi.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: Sideswipe on May 14, 2014, 05:53:38 AM
Burlap was an interesting choice to make the batsuit out of...
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: RoninFox on May 14, 2014, 07:43:15 AM
I like that the Batmobile has a Batmobiley shape this time. And the suit really works for me.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: ScottotD on May 14, 2014, 07:59:58 AM
I loooooove that he's wearing Miller's Dark Knight Returns costume.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: Henry88 on May 14, 2014, 10:35:33 AM
(http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/batswing.gif)

So the internet is all over Sad Batman http://www.slashfilm.com/ben-affleck-sad-batman-meme/
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: eegah on May 14, 2014, 10:40:21 AM
So the internet is all over Sad Batman http://www.slashfilm.com/ben-affleck-sad-batman-meme/

Someone needs to add him to the Kirk Cameron birthday party photo (along with Keanu, of course).
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: Variety of Cells on May 14, 2014, 06:40:17 PM
Ohhh ok.  I only saw a small low res version, and I thought all those lines were veins, which didn't make any sort of sense and looked rather stupid. 
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: Sideswipe on May 14, 2014, 06:46:22 PM
I hate the little nub bat ears.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: gbeenie on May 15, 2014, 09:26:18 PM
I loooooove that he's wearing Miller's Dark Knight Returns costume.

It also seems to have a strong inspiration in the Batman, Inc. costume.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: gbeenie on May 15, 2014, 09:28:33 PM
I hate the little nub bat ears.

I couldn't disagree more. Super-long ears are dumb.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman
Post by: Darth Geek on May 16, 2014, 05:54:16 AM
I don't mind the ears being smaller. They aren't functional, after all. I do think that bat symbal is ugly, though. Ultimately the problem with this movie is going to be that it's a continuation of the awful Man of Steel movie.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Henry88 on May 21, 2014, 01:57:28 PM
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/BenHummer2/bvslogo.jpg)

MAN OF STEEL Sequel Officially Titled BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE; Logo Revealed (http://collider.com/batman-vs-superman-title-dawn-of-justice/)
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BURBANK, CA, May 21, 2014 – Filming is underway on Warner Bros. Pictures’ “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice,” the highly anticipated action adventure from director Zack Snyder, starring Henry Cavill in the role of Clark Kent/Superman, and Ben Affleck as BruceWayne/Batman.

“Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” also stars Gal Gadot as Diana Prince/Wonder Woman, with Amy Adams, Laurence Fishburne and Diane Lane returning from “Man of Steel,” Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor, Jeremy Irons as Alfred, and Holly Hunter in a role newly created for the film.

“Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice”is written by Chris Terrio, from a screenplay by David S. Goyer.  Charles Roven and Deborah Snyder are producing, with Benjamin Melniker, Michael E. Uslan, Wesley Coller, David S. Goyer and Geoff Johns serving as executive producers.

Principal photography will take place on location at Michigan Motion Picture Studios and on location in and around Detroit, Michigan; Illinois; Africa; and the South Pacific.

Set to open worldwide on May 6, 2016, “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” is based on Superman characters created by Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster, Batman characters created by Bob Kane, and Wonder Woman created by William Moulton Marston, appearing in comic books published by DC Entertainment.

http://batmanvsupermandawnofjustice.com
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on May 21, 2014, 03:32:46 PM
That v makes it sound like they're going to court.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: goflyblind on May 21, 2014, 04:04:15 PM
That v makes it sound like they're going to court.

in the halls of justice, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the supervillians, who initiate crimes; and the superheroes, who prosecute the offenders. these are their stories.

BAHM-BAHM!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on May 21, 2014, 04:39:02 PM
And then there's this: http://www.themarysue.com/david-goyer-calls-she-hulk-sex-fantasy/ (http://www.themarysue.com/david-goyer-calls-she-hulk-sex-fantasy/)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on May 21, 2014, 06:00:28 PM
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice   ...it sounds like The Tick named it.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on May 21, 2014, 06:03:38 PM
Spooooooooooooon!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on May 26, 2014, 01:05:57 PM
From Frank Conniff's twitter:
Martin v Lewis: Dawn of Laaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddy Justice.

From Paul Goebel (the TV Geek from Beat the Geeks) twitter
Batman & Superman Meet the Phantom of The Park

From Scott Aukerman's twitter
Batman V. Stiviano: Dawn of Justice

From Patton Oswalt's twitter:
BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE. Coming in September, to Lifetime Networks.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 02, 2014, 02:55:32 AM
Well, Batman will win, because he has been collecting Kryptonite for decades, of all colours, even more than Lex Luthor, in order to neutralize the horrible threat of the alien super-freak-- Superman.

Batman hates aliens and dudes with super-powers....

Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 02, 2014, 07:49:26 AM
Well, Batman will win, because he has been collecting Kryptonite for decades, of all colours, even more than Lex Luthor, in order to neutralize the horrible threat of the alien super-freak-- Superman.

Batman hates aliens and dudes with super-powers....
Not in the continuity of this movie! Seriously, your love for Batman is blinding you.

And no, I don't think they will have much of an actual fistfight in the movie. It'll be a battle of speaches or something. Which would mean something if they hadn't screwed up Superman's character so bad in the last movie!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 02, 2014, 08:09:33 AM
Yes!  Well, I agree with you. I love Batman and we Batman fans have a kind of grudging respect for the Alien Super-Tard that is Superman, but honestly, as much as I love DC over Marvel, I must admit, the marvel movies are kicking DC's hiney, right about now.

And with Joss Whedon on their side, probably will for the foreseeable future. Nolan was great for Batman, no doubt, but what else do we have when he is done?

I Say Paul Dini, Alan Burnett, the guys who created "Batman the Animated Series" and "Justice League Unlimited".... they made even totally gay DC characters cool, (like Aqua-Man and Flash...)

It's a slim chance, against Whedon, but it is the only chance we got!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 02, 2014, 09:51:42 AM
And no, I don't think they will have much of an actual fistfight in the movie. It'll be a battle of speaches or something. Which would mean something if they hadn't screwed up Superman's character so bad in the last movie!

Well, there goes my hopes for a floppy broken necked version of Ben Affleck who just happens to be wearing a Batman costume action figure that would complete my collection.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 02, 2014, 10:00:23 AM
And no, I don't think they will have much of an actual fistfight in the movie. It'll be a battle of speaches or something. Which would mean something if they hadn't screwed up Superman's character so bad in the last movie!

Well, there goes my hopes for a floppy broken necked version of Ben Affleck who just happens to be wearing a Batman costume action figure that would complete my collection.
You collect Ben Affleck action figures?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 02, 2014, 10:28:59 AM
Doesnt everyone? 
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 02, 2014, 10:48:49 AM
I think Affleck will CRUSH Batman/Bruce Wayne. I wouldn't have thought so until I saw "Argo" but he has really matured as an actor and I think he could play the cool, intellectual Batman.

Now, as far as script and direction, I have no faith in Zak Snyder! THIS IS SPARTA!!!!! Dudes in "warrior panties" (great Rifftrax!)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on June 05, 2014, 03:01:29 AM
I think Affleck will CRUSH Batman/Bruce Wayne. I wouldn't have thought so until I saw "Argo" but he has really matured as an actor and I think he could play the cool, intellectual Batman.


 :highfive:
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 05, 2014, 04:04:58 AM
I think Affleck will CRUSH Batman/Bruce Wayne. I wouldn't have thought so until I saw "Argo" but he has really matured as an actor and I think he could play the cool, intellectual Batman.


 :highfive:

Had to like this part without the lack of faith in Snyder.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on June 06, 2014, 06:25:49 PM
http://www.bustle.com/articles/26910-tom-hiddleston-might-be-in-batman-v-superman-as-your-favorite-villain (http://www.bustle.com/articles/26910-tom-hiddleston-might-be-in-batman-v-superman-as-your-favorite-villain)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 06, 2014, 06:57:58 PM
http://www.bustle.com/articles/26910-tom-hiddleston-might-be-in-batman-v-superman-as-your-favorite-villain (http://www.bustle.com/articles/26910-tom-hiddleston-might-be-in-batman-v-superman-as-your-favorite-villain)
When Loki first arrives on Earth in Avengers (when he has his head down and is smiling), I thought he looked a lot like the Joker. So it looks like the Joker just teleported in from the DC Universe.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 06, 2014, 10:59:20 PM
I hope not, only because its already getting crowded, though I would like to see it in the future.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 08, 2014, 09:15:51 PM
Yes, I know it is not a popular opinion.... that Affleck can pull off Batman, (that was dirty!), and we all know that "Daredevil" was horrid, but that was just bad writing and direction... Affleck was collecting a pay-check.

Of course, we have Zak Snyder so.... probly.... yeah.... this could suck!  Well, I still think he could pull it off if he had a real writer and director. But.... as I think of it.... and remember "Man of Steel" which I yawned through...

Anyways....
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 09, 2014, 06:58:04 AM
I dont know... I think this is going to be a train wreck.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 09, 2014, 07:00:18 AM
I'm with you on both counts, Randy. I thought Affleck was fine as Daredevil, the movie just sucked in everything else. It's Zack Snyder, continuing from Man of Steel, that is the problem here.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 09, 2014, 07:00:58 AM
I dont know... I think this is going to be a train wreck.
True. But maybe it'll be an interesting trainwreck.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 09, 2014, 07:03:03 AM
One of those train wrecks where the damage is so catastrophic you have to take a look to see how bad it is.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 07:14:26 AM
I'm with you on both counts, Randy. I thought Affleck was fine as Daredevil, the movie just sucked in everything else. It's Zack Snyder, continuing from Man of Steel, that is the problem here.

I must bow to peer pressure... I have, now, horrible feelings about the "reboot" of Batman.... and we all hate Superman, naturally... so....

What is happening?!!!??  I've been living in a fool's paradise....

"Argo" was good though.... right?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 09, 2014, 07:29:35 AM
Argo was excellent.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 07:50:26 AM
Thank you, Roninfox, but, Now I realize, when Affleck is not directing he could be just cashing a pay-check... AGAIN! Only, this time with Batman, like so many other actors have done.

I assumed, as we all did, that Batman would be super cool, and Superman would be a super-Gump, as superman always is.... but perhaps Zak Snyder doesn't love Batman as well as I?

I have thousands of dollars in "Batman the Animated Series" cells, and a story board from the show signed by Mark Hamill, (who voiced The Joker) and Paul Dini. I have maquettes of Batman from every incarnation from BTAS to Justice League Unlimited....

Sure, this all makes me sound like a weirdo, BUT....

No, I'm a weirdo....I have to face it. I am looking at a HUGE Joker mural painted over the wall of my movie room. And, like the Comic-book guy from the "Simpsons" I must say, "Oh, dear. I've wasted my life..."

Well. I have been married for 30 years, I made a home for my wife, I vote, I serve jury duty, I pay outrageous taxes...  maybe I didn't waste my life so much....
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 09, 2014, 08:10:13 AM
I don't think this is about a paycheck for Affleck, I do get the impression (largely from listening to Kevin Smith stories) that Affleck loves Batman and wants nothing more than to do this justice.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 09, 2014, 08:10:49 AM
Then again, I actually enjoyed Man of Steel (cue Darth Geek to tell me all the ways I'm wrong about that.)   ;)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 09, 2014, 09:21:19 AM
I'm with you on both counts, Randy. I thought Affleck was fine as Daredevil, the movie just sucked in everything else. It's Zack Snyder, continuing from Man of Steel, that is the problem here.

I must bow to peer pressure... I have, now, horrible feelings about the "reboot" of Batman....
I could easily see Batman being the one thing in this movie that they do right.

And Ronin, you are wrong. But you don't need to tell me all the specifics. Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 09:39:05 AM
LOL!!!!

Youses guyses crack me up!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 09, 2014, 10:15:07 AM
I obviously just look for different things from a Superman story than you, but I admit that part of that is that I was never a huge Superman fan.  Most takes on the character bore me, because he's just TOO damn good and invulnerable.  My favorite Superman stories before Man of Steel either were random strangeness (Like the Mister Mxyztplk episode of the animated series) or stories where he actually fails (Like the first Darkseid episode of the animated series) because they show a different side of him than the usual "Kryptonite weakens him, but he wins anyway" type of thing I kept seeing.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 09, 2014, 10:49:33 AM
Yeah, his overpower makes him boring.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 11:52:22 AM
Agrreed!  All around!  We identify with Batman because he is well trained and well honed, and just a human being with excellent observation skills, and excellent fighting abilities.

Super-guy is an alien, he didn't choose it, he has all like super-strength, and Super Hot Vision [tm] (The Tick) and his Hypno-Specticles [tm] that keep mortals from knowing he is really Clark Kent a really broke-ass reporter for a broke-ass news-paper that the internet is killing... The Tick is cooler, frankly, and he is insane!

(also, nigh-invulnerable)

SPOON!!!!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 09, 2014, 01:05:06 PM
  Eh, I've always felt that Superman's powers just made it more difficult for WRITERS to provide an adequet problem. That's not a fault of the character, it's bad writing when they can't think of anything that could challenge him. He's pitted against super smart villains, you need to make sure their plan is also smart.
  In the first Superman movie, Luthor was smart enough (despite his otherwise buffoonery) to simply have two missiles going in opposite directions. And it WORKED! Well, there were consequences anyway. It wasn't until the writers pulled a new power of turning the world backwards, or whatever the hell that was supposed to be, out of their ass to make it a happy ending.
 
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 09, 2014, 01:22:18 PM
The Tick isnt insane, he us just very dedicated.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 01:40:52 PM
Well, that is where Darksied, and Granny Goodness, (creepiest thing ever, especially as voiced by Ed Asner...) created by the great Jack Kirby, come in.

Darkseid and his Doom warriors killed the crap out of Super-dude.... but of course, there was always Earth B, (crunch all you want, we'll make more).

In the Paul Dini Alan Burnette movie, Super man vs Batman, Darkseid, holds Batman over a burning pit and looks right into his eyes. Batman says, "Do it... I have decoded the planet bombs I will destroy the Earth and your Hell Dominion.

"I will destroy every living thing in two galaxies!"

Darksied pauses a moment and lets him down saying, "I know that Superman would never do that, but you.... There is a darkness in you that would destroy everything to defeat me.... you have promise, human...."

Batman had to have the conviction in his eyes to bluff Darksied, (if he WAS bluffing) and be the coolest dude that ever lived! Super-mongo couldn't out bluff Darksied.

Meanwhile Super-reject was burning in a pit, screaming like a little girl, his little girl cousin kicking his ass, Batman had to save them both.... telling Draksied, "Never come to our dimension again, or I will destroy all the worlds."

It gets pretty hairy from there, but the bottom line is, Batman rules, Super-whatever drools!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 01:54:25 PM
You are right, Swipe! Actually, Uberman (Superman) was insane, The Tick was simply, "Nigh-Invulnerable" LOL! And poor Arthur.... The Moth....
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 09, 2014, 03:34:37 PM
Though his first appearance is this...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U9O4EFj9tyM/UxxUz_517PI/AAAAAAAAApw/oOsOcbarKak/s1600/tick1-731879.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 03:49:27 PM
Yes, well there is that...GODS, I love The Tick! Paul the Samurai, Man-Eating Cow? Are you kidding me? Some of the best comics in the world!

I love the ninjas who were "a hedge" by holding some brush up to their faces.... very Monty Python! Ben Edlund was a genius writer. He created The Tick et al, and then became head writer for Joss Whedon's Angel, and Firefly.... 'course, when they were cancelled he vanished into some mountains in Tibet.... weird guy, but a GENIUS!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Quirk on June 09, 2014, 04:16:14 PM
In every incarnation, he escapes from a mental institution, doesn't he? Maybe not the live-action one...
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 09, 2014, 04:21:52 PM
Not in the animated series.  He does quit therapy when he realizes that he isn't crazy (according to him), he was just freaked out seeing ants coming out of people clothes.  Fair enough.  That episode also had Taft.

Skip to 0:47 to see Taft.

https://www.youtube.com/v/5gqzuPRbkfA
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 04:50:05 PM
Besides Batman, I thought The Tick Animated Series was one of the coolest Saturday morning cartoons ever.... Too bad they didn't have Adult Swim then.... The Tick would have thrived on Adult Swim!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 09, 2014, 05:20:02 PM
In every incarnation, he escapes from a mental institution, doesn't he? Maybe not the live-action one...

Not in the cartoon.  That was my introduction to the Tick.  It was created by Ben Edlund too.  So the cartoon continuity he is not a mental patient, Technically I guess I am half correct.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: gbeenie on June 09, 2014, 06:48:05 PM
I'm with you on both counts, Randy. I thought Affleck was fine as Daredevil, the movie just sucked in everything else. It's Zack Snyder, continuing from Man of Steel, that is the problem here.

I must bow to peer pressure... I have, now, horrible feelings about the "reboot" of Batman.... and we all hate Superman, naturally

No. Hating Superman is generally the province of people flop-sweat-desperate to prove how "cool"  they are. It's patbetic and childish.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Quirk on June 09, 2014, 06:55:29 PM
Huh. I could've sworn they mentioned the asylum in that first episode, but nope.

And jeeeeez. I don't like Superman and I'm not cool.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 07:51:49 PM
I'm with you on both counts, Randy. I thought Affleck was fine as Daredevil, the movie just sucked in everything else. It's Zack Snyder, continuing from Man of Steel, that is the problem here.

I must bow to peer pressure... I have, now, horrible feelings about the "reboot" of Batman.... and we all hate Superman, naturally

No. Hating Superman is generally the province of people flop-sweat-desperate to prove how "cool"  they are. It's patbetic and childish.

Ooops, I'm sorry if I offended you Gbeenie, I was just joking, I mean I really do not care that much about comic book movies. I love Batman but I can joke about him,,, his love of Robin, rubber fetish suit with a young boy in a cave.... I mean, I really don't want to be thought of by you, in that way.... you mean something to me....
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Pak-Man on June 09, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I don't hate Superman, but his super-everything powers does make for a narrative challenge that few can live up to. I love it when someone finds a way to tell a compelling story about him, but so few have.. At least outside of comics and cartoons.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 09, 2014, 08:58:44 PM
  I can't imagine a What If issue of this movie that doesn't make tons of money.

I can.  It could be a convoluted mess that doesnt know what story it wants to tell or how to balance the characters so that they dont feel needlessly tacked on. 
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 09:17:36 PM
  I can't imagine a What If issue of this movie that doesn't make tons of money.

I can.  It could be a convoluted mess that doesnt know what story it wants to tell or how to balance the characters so that they dont feel needlessly tacked on. 

True. And in 3D!!!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 09, 2014, 09:18:31 PM
I would be surprised if it wasnt shown in 3D.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 09:26:22 PM
Say, did you guys see the Robot Chicken DC special, oh man that was funny as hell...

Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 09:31:03 PM
I would be surprised if it wasnt shown in 3D.

Everything is in 3D now. I can't sit through a 3D movie for more than 20 minutes, I get a headache, double vision, it's like I'm old or something!

I scope out the 2d theatres with the other old folks.... I'm an old fucker...
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 10, 2014, 04:07:22 AM
  I can't imagine a What If issue of this movie that doesn't make tons of money.

I can.  It could be a convoluted mess that doesnt know what story it wants to tell or how to balance the characters so that they dont feel needlessly tacked on.

These two things are unrelated.

It will still make tons of money.

If it is a convoluted mess it will make slightly less after the word of mouth spreads, but it is going to have a huge opening weekend.  Whether this is the actual movie they want or not, this is a movie that geeks have been waiting to see for decades.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 10, 2014, 05:54:40 AM
Ronin, normally I would agree. But it is opening against Captain America 3, and already established franchise that everyone loves. So unless the Marvel Universe movies shit the bed in the meantime, or Cap 3 has terrible trailers or something, I think that will dominate the weekend.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 10, 2014, 05:55:51 AM
Ronin, normally I would agree. But it is opening against Captain America 3, and already established franchise that everyone loves. So unless the Marvel Universe movies shit the bed in the meantime, or Cap 3 has terrible trailers or something, I think that will dominate the weekend.

Again, not necessarily the same thing.  You can make a ton of money and still "lose" the weekend.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 10, 2014, 06:02:24 AM
Ronin, normally I would agree. But it is opening against Captain America 3, and already established franchise that everyone loves. So unless the Marvel Universe movies shit the bed in the meantime, or Cap 3 has terrible trailers or something, I think that will dominate the weekend.

Again, not necessarily the same thing.  You can make a ton of money and still "lose" the weekend.
Well, true. But given how front loaded blockbusters are, and how much they cost, unless they dominate the opening weekend (which they have to do to make close to 100 million) they are considered a bomb. Or breakeven at best. Granted, that doesn't take into account foreign markets, which are more and more important nowadays. But it has to do with public perception and studio expectations.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 10, 2014, 06:06:51 AM
Also, I might be wrong here, but I seriously doubt that both movies will stay on that weekend.  I wouldn't be shocked at all if they push back BvsS by a week or two in a couple months.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 10, 2014, 06:16:30 AM
Also, I might be wrong here, but I seriously doubt that both movies will stay on that weekend.  I wouldn't be shocked at all if they push back BvsS by a week or two in a couple months.
Agreed. Although I think most weekends have similar competition that year.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 10, 2014, 06:44:57 AM
I have heard that some people are predicting next year will be the death of the summer blockbuster, because there are so damn many of them that there aren't enough audience members to support them.  I think if any genre will survive that it'll be the Superhero movies, but then who knows, maybe we're going toward another Batman and Robin dropoff.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 10, 2014, 06:51:58 AM
Actually the super hero movies this year have been under performing.  Spider-Man 2 and the new X Men movie havent performed as they were predicted to. Captain America under performed domestically, it made less than the first one. 
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 10, 2014, 10:46:57 AM
I really wish Hollywood would back off on the monster busgets in their blockbusters.
A)Cut the running time back to around 90 minutes, particularly at the script level. Don't let the directors shoot all kinds of unnecesary stuff.
B)Hire lesser known but more interesting cast, rather than inflating the budget with actors/actresses that cost a lot AND get back end.
C)We are used to a lot of action now, especially cities being destroyed. Cut it down a little and make it more creative.

Think of how much Guillermo Del Toro did with the Hellboy movies at a fraction of the cost of a superhero movie even at the time.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 16, 2014, 09:23:53 AM
http://www.chud.com/152493/batman-v-superman-is-not-a-man-of-steel-sequel-its-a-justice-league-prequel

So Aquaman is cast. For what will probably be a pretty minor role here, to be expanded later.

Quote
Aquaman will be pissed off “about the World Engine and what it did to the Indian Ocean.”

Um...you can blame Superman for a LOT of things in Man of Steel, but I don't think the villain's World Engine is one of them.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 16, 2014, 09:26:29 AM
http://www.chud.com/152493/batman-v-superman-is-not-a-man-of-steel-sequel-its-a-justice-league-prequel

So Aquaman is cast. For what will probably be a pretty minor role here, to be expanded later.

Quote
Aquaman will be pissed off “about the World Engine and what it did to the Indian Ocean.”

Um...you can blame Superman for a LOT of things in Man of Steel, but I don't think the villain's World Engine is one of them.

This depends on how informed he is at the beginning of the film.  He could simply see it as "an attack from those land dwellers" without knowing there was an alien influence.  It all depends on how closely Atlantis monitors the surface.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 16, 2014, 09:28:54 AM
http://www.chud.com/152493/batman-v-superman-is-not-a-man-of-steel-sequel-its-a-justice-league-prequel

So Aquaman is cast. For what will probably be a pretty minor role here, to be expanded later.

Quote
Aquaman will be pissed off “about the World Engine and what it did to the Indian Ocean.”

Um...you can blame Superman for a LOT of things in Man of Steel, but I don't think the villain's World Engine is one of them.

This depends on how informed he is at the beginning of the film.  He could simply see it as "an attack from those land dwellers" without knowing there was an alien influence.  It all depends on how closely Atlantis monitors the surface.
True. Although that might paint him as an uninformed idiot. True or not, that's not exactly the best intro for a character they want to spin off.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 16, 2014, 09:30:56 AM
People still care about Aquaman? I thought he was considered the joke of the superhero world.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 16, 2014, 09:33:02 AM
People still care about Aquaman? I thought he was considered the joke of the superhero world.
I think that's only because of the Superfriends cartoon.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 16, 2014, 09:40:41 AM
People still care about Aquaman? I thought he was considered the joke of the superhero world.
I think that's only because of the Superfriends cartoon.
Pretty much, yeah.  There have been much better versions of Aquaman over the years, just none that have supplanted the impression Superfriends made.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 16, 2014, 09:46:11 AM
Yeah, I Aquaman is pretty good, though I feel some writers work to hard to make him antagonistic.  Not necessarily a bad thing, but I think it's ground already covered by Namor (who is a total asshole).
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 16, 2014, 09:59:35 AM
Yeah, I always hated Namor. Just an arrogant jerk.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on June 16, 2014, 09:21:34 PM
People still care about Aquaman? I thought he was considered the joke of the superhero world.
I think that's only because of the Superfriends cartoon.
Pretty much, yeah.  There have been much better versions of Aquaman over the years, just none that have supplanted the impression Superfriends made.

Agreed, Aquaman's a badass.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 17, 2014, 06:08:50 AM
Watch out, Aquaman might send a lamprey to bite your ass while you are sitting on the toilet!  Somehow...
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2014, 07:22:44 AM
He's that good!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2014, 10:59:35 AM
But did anyone really look good after the Super Friends?

Oh, that reminds me.

https://www.youtube.com/v/6mhbxlz_wrI
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 18, 2014, 11:18:21 AM
In the early 90's, Peter David, an amazing writer and artist; arguably the Jack Kirby of his day, re-invented Aquaman, Daredevil, Kingpin, and many other comics characters of DC and Marvel...

Paul Dini and Alan Burnett built on Peter David's template for their Aquaman, who was killer cool, and double tough.

Although the Robot Chicken Aquaman made me laugh till I nearly pissed myself.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Soguru on June 18, 2014, 05:19:42 PM
I am sure this question has been asked before but I must ask it again... why does it have to be versus? Is there really anything that can legitimately be at stake under such a premise?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 18, 2014, 05:23:38 PM
I think its just a working title.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 18, 2014, 08:33:11 PM
Well, Batman fans do not care for Superman and Superman fans think Batman is a dark, whiney bitch... frankly, and what is wonderful, is that it is an animosity born out of fan ideology, rather than from comic book writers or publishers.

Back in the early days of the Justice League, Batman and Superman were "Super-Friends"! Then, as comics got darker and more adult in the late 80's and early 90's, Frank Miller established the already growing tension between Batman fans, who hate super-powered, alien, freaks, and Superman fans who hate glowery, brooding, vampire wannabees...

It is a fun rivalry that DC encourages at conventions and in their stories... It's The World's Greatest Detective and mental acuity against Super-Punching Power from another WORLD!

Gods, I hate Superman...
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 19, 2014, 07:47:23 AM
In the early 90's, Peter David, an amazing writer and artist; arguably the Jack Kirby of his day, re-invented Aquaman...
Yeah, the Aquaman stuff is good... but you do realize that Peter David is not an artist, right?  I mean, he's an artist in the same sense that ANY writer is an artist, but he doesn't draw the stuff in the comics he writes.  I wouldn't really compare him to Jack Kirby, not because Kirby is better (though David is a humble enough guy that he would admit this is the case), but because in terms of storytelling and style, they are quite different.

I think David is more comparable to Stan Lee or Steve Gerber (though lighter and less cynical than the latter).  That said, I feel that this approach was both a boon and a bane for the character.  When David wrote him, he did make him tougher but also balanced this attitude with humour.  A lot of other writers seemed to just try to make him "badass" and really seemed to be straining to maintain his badass bona fides, which made the character uninteresting to me in the hands of many other writers.

Personally, I really liked the goofier take on Aquaman in Batman: the Brave and the Bold.  It's an attitude more inspired by Marvel's Hercules and it manages to make the character interesting and likable without leaning on "he's cool because he's badass" which is often boring unless it can be done cleverly.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 21, 2014, 10:32:26 PM
Very good. I stand corrected. Even as I typed, "The Jack Kirby of his day..." I felt a great disturbance in The Force... as if I had made a grave error... LOL! Yes, of course, you are right, but he always had the best artists working with him so I assumed him a Frank Miller type, but... there you go about "assuming" LOL!

I'm old and addled, have I mentioned that...?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 23, 2014, 06:32:26 AM
Harry Potter wants to be Robin in the new movie

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/daniel-radcliffe-wants-to-play-robin-1201239174/
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on June 23, 2014, 06:48:02 AM
Another Brit trying to take our superhero jobs.

I don't know, its hard to picture him without hearing the accent, but if he can Americanize his voice enough I can kind of see it.

The question is, which Robin would he be.  Since Ben's playing an older Bat and I've already heard talk of Nightwing being somewhere in the world, that leaves Master Dick out of it.  So would he be Tim Drake or Damian Wayne?

Dare we ask for a Jason Todd and an eventual crowbar attack in live action?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 23, 2014, 06:53:10 AM
Would it be wrong of me to get sexually excited by the idea of The Joker beating Robin with a crowbar...? Yes, I must say, that would be wrong... sorry, sorry!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 23, 2014, 07:00:22 AM
Can the little bastard even do an American accent?  Maybe he wants them to create a new character called Nigel Clottsworth or something?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on June 23, 2014, 07:05:48 AM
I would like to see a live action Nightwing.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 23, 2014, 09:51:47 AM
With Christopher Nolan being one of the overseeing executives on this, I doubt it. Robin doesn't really fit with the tone of the DC movies they are going with. And I wouldn't want to have him be an adult, just to try to shoehorn him in.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ShadowDog on June 23, 2014, 08:13:32 PM
I'm a little puzzled by the Auqaman love in this thread. We're talking about a superhero who has to sit around and wait for crime to happen in water before he can do anything.  if I was a criminal I'd rob a bank right at the beach, take ten steps towards a boat to get Auqaman's hopes up that he can finally fight crime, and then jump in a car and head inland. Pwned.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on June 23, 2014, 08:31:15 PM
A lot of the issues are because of the Superfriends version.  He does have strength outside of water, but water is where he has the advantage.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on June 23, 2014, 09:06:11 PM
He does rule over 2/3 of the Earth. And he certainly is capable out of water.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on June 24, 2014, 04:02:08 AM
I'm a little puzzled by the Auqaman love in this thread. We're talking about a superhero who has to sit around and wait for crime to happen in water before he can do anything.  if I was a criminal I'd rob a bank right at the beach, take ten steps towards a boat to get Auqaman's hopes up that he can finally fight crime, and then jump in a car and head inland. Pwned.

As opposed to Batman who has to get a piggyback from Green Lantern or Martian Manhunter who's afraid of fire? 
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ShadowDog on June 26, 2014, 04:13:57 PM
Touche. LOL
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on June 26, 2014, 04:39:01 PM
Moral of the story is... Comic book characters are actually pretty lame in the comics.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: goflyblind on July 03, 2014, 01:25:25 PM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5TDID2uu--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/jcpot184vooxylrndjhh.jpg)

aww, thank-you for combining these images, internet. ^-^
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on July 03, 2014, 02:20:24 PM
Bwaaaahaha!  Fucking genius!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 03, 2014, 06:38:33 PM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5TDID2uu--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/jcpot184vooxylrndjhh.jpg)

aww, thank-you for combining these images, internet. ^-^

Passion or a slow, morose heimlich?  Although I believe the later was used to describe Man of Steel.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on July 03, 2014, 06:41:54 PM
A tender crotch grab is not part of the heimlich maneuver.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: BenjiOh on July 23, 2014, 04:28:36 AM
My hope is that they will keep the camera still this time. I didn't see Man of Steel because the ocean-voyage camera in the trailer distracted the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Pak-Man on July 23, 2014, 09:42:02 AM
A tender crotch grab is not part of the heimlich maneuver.

My instructor LIED TO ME!?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on July 23, 2014, 09:54:16 AM
Did you enjoy it at least?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Henry88 on July 25, 2014, 04:55:17 PM
THR @ Comic-Con:
'Justice League' Movie Courts Oscar-Winning Writer (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/comic-con-justice-league-movie-699908)
"Argo's" Chris Terrio most recently did a rewrite on Warner Bros.' "Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice."
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Henry88 on August 06, 2014, 07:07:02 PM
Quote
But the Batman v Superman release date news isn’t all! Taking a page out of Marvel’s book, Warner Bros. has set release dates for 9 untitled DC films and 2 “event films”. Check them out below:

Untitled DC Film — August 5, 2016
Untitled DC Film – June 23, 2017
Untitled DC Film – November 17, 2017
Untitled DC Film – March 23, 2018
Untitled DC Film – July 27, 2018
Untitled WB Event Film – November 16, 2018
Untitled DC Film – April 5, 2019
Untitled DC Film – June 14, 2019
Untitled DC Film – April 3, 2020
Untitled DC Film – June 19, 2020
Untitled WB Event Film – November 20, 2020
That’s, uh, ambitious. The only other confirmed DC film in development at Warner Bros. is Justice League, which Zack Snyder will direct after he wraps BvS

http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-release-date/#more-352662
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Miku Fan on August 06, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
Batman says something smarmy, like, "I'm Batman".  Superman roasts Batman with his x-ray vision, then throws Batman into the sun.  Probably going to be a short. 
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on September 10, 2014, 08:33:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxN9u_AIgAIq_qp.jpg)
From Zack Snyder's twitter, the full picture of the new Batmobile. *sigh* I actually liked the picture of Affleck in the Batman suit next to part of the Batmobile that we saw earlier. This just looks overcomplicated and REALLY misses the point about Batman not using guns and not killing.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: BiteMe316 on September 11, 2014, 07:15:07 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxN9u_AIgAIq_qp.jpg)
From Zack Snyder's twitter, the full picture of the new Batmobile. *sigh* I actually liked the picture of Affleck in the Batman suit next to part of the Batmobile that we saw earlier. This just looks overcomplicated and REALLY misses the point about Batman not using guns and not killing.


What the fuck is that supposed to be? Were the designers all drinking Red Bull when they came up with that?   :scared:
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Pak-Man on September 11, 2014, 09:50:18 AM
It transforms into Darth Vader!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Miku Fan on September 18, 2014, 03:49:15 AM
It's what the Batmobile looks like AFTER Superman smashes it.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Ben on September 18, 2014, 07:10:31 AM
What the fuck is that supposed to be? Were the designers all drinking Red Bull when they came up with that?   :scared:

Snyder's immediate retort: "Who cares?! It looks BADASS!!"
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on September 18, 2014, 07:15:20 AM
Looks like it was designed to sell toys...in the 90s.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on September 18, 2014, 07:18:41 AM
Looks Frank Miller-y, so I can do without it.

(http://comicsrecommended.com/images/dc/dkr_batmobile.jpg)

The one that got posted before looks like an entirely different Batmobile, wouldn't be surprised if he has a fleet of them of various designs.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Zeether on September 28, 2014, 10:50:05 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxN9u_AIgAIq_qp.jpg)
From Zack Snyder's twitter, the full picture of the new Batmobile. *sigh* I actually liked the picture of Affleck in the Batman suit next to part of the Batmobile that we saw earlier. This just looks overcomplicated and REALLY misses the point about Batman not using guns and not killing.
Man, the Warthog in Halo 5 looks great.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Henry88 on January 09, 2015, 12:52:34 PM
ComicBookMovie 1/19/2014:
EXCLUSIVE: BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN Update; Plus WB's Plan To Best Marvel (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=93171)
Quote
As for the cliffhanger rumor? General Napier, tells me that's very much true. Cliffhangers, will actually be one key component in WB's master plan to dethrone Marvel Studios. WB realizes that Marvel films are famous for their mid- and post-credits scenes, and have no interest in copying from Marvel's playbook. WB's plan, is to end each of their films with a cliffhanger, setting up the next film in their cinematic universe. WB also wants to do short films for their lesser known characters. These short films would be played at the end of each film. That's a pretty interesting way of taking on Marvel's trademark post-credits scenes.

RUMOR: Will BATMAN V SUPERMAN be split into two parts?? (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/69973)
Also, when should we expect the first official teaser??
Quote from: Papa Vinyard
If this is to be believed, PART I: ENTER THE KNIGHT will be ready for theaters this October, while PART II will have the subtitle (DAWN OF JUSTICE) and release date (March 26th, 2016) that we already knew about.


Will We Get Our First BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DOJ Trailer With JUPITER ASCENDING? (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=113297)
We will according to the Projection List, who reckon the teaser for Zack Snyder's Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice will be with us as early as February 6 when it débuts with Warner Bros.' sci-fi flick, Jupiter Ascending.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on January 11, 2015, 11:39:49 AM
Every movie a cliffhanger?  That sounds frustrating, unless they mean sticking a coda on the end and basically doing their post credit sequence pre credits
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on January 12, 2015, 06:44:03 PM
Every movie a cliffhanger?  That sounds frustrating, unless they mean sticking a coda on the end and basically doing their post credit sequence pre credits

I have this image stuck in my head of a dark and gritty movie full of characters talking very seriously, but ending with Batman stuck in a giant hourglass with sand about to cover his head as the announcer tells us to tune in next year at the same Bat-Theater.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on January 12, 2015, 08:01:05 PM
WHAT'S THIS? THE CAPED CRUSADER TRAPPED?!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Kete on January 14, 2015, 10:31:46 AM
WHAT'S THIS? THE CAPED CRUSADER TRAPPED?!

LIKE
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Henry88 on February 20, 2015, 01:45:47 PM
(http://s4.postimg.org/46rutagvh/aquaman.jpg)

the curse of Nolan continues.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on February 20, 2015, 04:59:04 PM
The curse of looking awesome?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on February 20, 2015, 05:46:43 PM
That dude will never get a role where he doesnt look like a savage.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 20, 2015, 11:28:59 PM
Sooo...he put armor on one side...and then just had tattoos of armor on the other. That's so stupid, are we sure this isn't a Rob Liefeld character?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on February 21, 2015, 09:29:08 AM
Not enough pouches.

It's way more armour than Superman or Wonder Woman wear
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on February 21, 2015, 10:00:35 AM
I just wish there was more color variety.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 21, 2015, 11:05:33 AM
I just wish there was more color variety.
Exactly. I don't really expect the full on bright orange and green, but I was certainly hoping for more color that this. Snyder and Nolan don't seem to understand that what makes these characters interacting with each other interesting is that they are DIFFERENT. Yet they are just trying to Batmanize all of them.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on February 21, 2015, 11:07:38 AM
I just wish there was more color variety.
Exactly. I don't really expect the full on bright orange and green, but I was certainly hoping for more color that this. Snyder and Nolan don't seem to understand that what makes these characters interacting with each other interesting is that they are DIFFERENT. Yet they are just trying to Batmanize all of them.
They don't even need to be bright, just less brown and grey.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 21, 2015, 11:10:57 AM

They don't even need to be bright, just less brown and grey.
Exactly. Even Superman was pretty boring to look at with his blue and reds so muted.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Henry88 on February 22, 2015, 05:11:10 PM
(http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r772/DrKainn/DCColor_zpsm2ungmb2.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on April 17, 2015, 05:06:16 PM
It's here!
https://www.youtube.com/v/IwfUnkBfdZ4
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on April 17, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
The Dark Knight battle suit at the end and the tone almost sold me on this
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ManUnderMask on April 18, 2015, 05:16:31 PM
And this trailer encompasses everything wrong with WB's take on a DCCU. Make mine Marvel.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on April 18, 2015, 05:47:17 PM
Ouch, those last two lines were cringe worth...
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 18, 2015, 06:15:42 PM
The worst part is that the only reason everybody in the movie hates Superman, is because of how much SNYDER FUCKED UP THE CHARACTER!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on April 18, 2015, 06:19:55 PM
What an odd thing to say
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on April 18, 2015, 06:27:20 PM
Well considering how reckless Superman was, Darth Geek isn't exactly wrong.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 18, 2015, 08:42:52 PM
I'm also wondering who the fuck built that statue of Superman? The opening barrage of controversy voiceovers on whether we can trust him or not makes it seem like there isn't an overwhelming majority of backers for something like that. But it would have to have been built by the politicians of Metropolis.
Yes, it's a striking image. Which is why it's been used before a lot in the comics. But that has always been after YEARS of Superman activity, and overwhelming public support.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Rainbow Dash on April 18, 2015, 09:45:28 PM
With Superman being turned into a Bruce Wayne clone, I have to wonder if this is just going to be 2 hours of brooding.

Also.  Begun, the Fanboy Wars have

(http://i.imgur.com/EZhhzk2.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on April 18, 2015, 10:26:54 PM
I think people not trusting and even turning against a near-invincible god who could probably destroy the world single-handedly is a fun way for the movie to go ...but then I've never been a fan of Superman in movies.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 18, 2015, 10:29:57 PM
As much as I didn't like the trailer and am not looking forward to this movie, the trailer did do a good job giving a sense of mood and setup. Which is what a trailer, especially the first trailer, is supposed to do. The problem is that it shows the movie is doubling down on everything that I, and most "haters", didn't like about Man of Steel. So no, I am not planning on seeing this movie. Unless there are much much better things I see in the subsequent trailers. Or there are positive reviews by people I trust, that give reasons why I might actually like it.
Maaaybe if I am morbidly curious, I will check it out for a dollar at Redbox when it is out on DVD. Like I did the Turtles movie.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 18, 2015, 10:33:56 PM
I think people not trusting and even turning against a near-invincible god who could probably destroy the world single-handedly is a fun way for the movie to go
I wouldn't call it "fun" per se. And this movie seems bound and determined to take every ounce of fun out behind the toolshed and shoot it in the back of the head. But it is an interesting idea. Which is why it's been done in the comics. But those had a history behind them, and weren't only the second in a series. Which gave the stories weight.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on April 18, 2015, 10:51:02 PM
I think people not trusting and even turning against a near-invincible god who could probably destroy the world single-handedly is a fun way for the movie to go
I wouldn't call it "fun" per se. And this movie seems bound and determined to take every ounce of fun out behind the toolshed and shoot it in the back of the head. But it is an interesting idea. Which is why it's been done in the comics. But those had a history behind them, and weren't only the second in a series. Which gave the stories weight.

I think culturally having people turn on him from the beginning makes a lot of sense
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 18, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
I think people not trusting and even turning against a near-invincible god who could probably destroy the world single-handedly is a fun way for the movie to go
I wouldn't call it "fun" per se. And this movie seems bound and determined to take every ounce of fun out behind the toolshed and shoot it in the back of the head. But it is an interesting idea. Which is why it's been done in the comics. But those had a history behind them, and weren't only the second in a series. Which gave the stories weight.

I think culturally having people turn on him from the beginning makes a lot of sense
It makes sense in a dark, gritty, film noir type movie. Which is why I actually didn't have as much of a problem with him killing Zod at the end of Man of Steel, because the Clark that was raised with the lessons we saw would kill. WHICH IS WHY HE'S NOT GODDAMN SUPERMAN! Snyder fucked up the character, it's not that his actions didn't make sense in the context of the movie itself.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on April 18, 2015, 11:18:39 PM
Eh, still way more promising to me than him fighting a Sun guy or co-starring with Richard Pryor.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 19, 2015, 08:15:06 AM
Eh, still way more promising to me than him fighting a Sun guy or co-starring with Richard Pryor.
Well, those were also bad ideas.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: BathTub on April 20, 2015, 02:30:56 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/IcxXm2W.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on April 20, 2015, 04:22:16 AM
I think there might be a second trailer taking Superman's side of the story
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on April 20, 2015, 04:41:51 AM
I'm feeling like I'm against most factions of geekdom in regards to this movie, because I like this version of Superman, but every time I see them going toward a Frank Miller-y Batman I cringe.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 20, 2015, 09:22:30 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/IcxXm2W.jpg)
Those look awful! And not just because I'm already down on this movie. Just design wise they look cheap and childish.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: BathTub on April 20, 2015, 11:17:41 AM
I think they look fantastic.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on April 20, 2015, 03:08:45 PM
I think they look fantastic.

I like them too, Art Deco-y
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on April 22, 2015, 09:07:09 AM
Full shot of the Batsuit:
(http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/CDFWkrwVAAAJcmB.jpg)

Overall I like it, except for the batsymbol being so hard to see.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Pak-Man on April 22, 2015, 09:28:54 AM
The Batman I know cares about branding!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on April 22, 2015, 10:03:40 AM
The legs look bizarre, and I still think the ears need to be slightly taller.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on April 29, 2015, 02:07:05 PM
I agree with the taller ears. I love the Batman from the old 70's comics with Dennis O'Neil editing and the huge tall ears... ah... well...

My problem is that DC, (and I am a huge Batman - DC fan) is going to lose big against Marvel, simply because they seem to not be able to crack a smile. Marvel scripts, with Joss' help are witty, smart, fast and fun. As of "Man of Steel" and what looks like the trailer I saw for DoJustice... DC seems to want to go gloomy-doomy. A huge downer.

Oh, where is Alan Burnett and Paul Dini? They made even the dorkiest DC guys cool... and they have a special love and understanding of Batman... And their animations are dark, sure, but they can have fun with it.

I don't know... I'm sure it will LOOK awesome-- it's the writing I am worried about.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: anais.butterfly on May 02, 2015, 05:12:56 PM
Why has NO ONE discussed that FUCKING Jeremy Irons is playing Alfred?


Is Anais seeing this movie now? OF HELL FUCKING YES SHE IS!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on May 02, 2015, 05:18:25 PM
Why did you not watch the trailer?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on May 02, 2015, 10:45:50 PM
Lately, Jeremy Irons has been the kiss of death for a movie... "Eregon" (a great rifftrax) and he was in "Dungeons & Dragons"... so... He is a great actor but he has been picking some shitty scripts to be appear in, in recent years... I'm jus' sayin'... I'm not that excited that he is playing Alfred. It actually terrifies me, and confirms many of my worst fears.

Actually.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: anais.butterfly on May 03, 2015, 12:17:29 AM
Why did you not watch the trailer?

Funny story. I did watch the trailer on my computer. Then I saw it in the theater before Age of Ultron. For some reason I listened to the actual words today and I didn't before.

Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: anais.butterfly on May 03, 2015, 12:20:41 AM
Lately, Jeremy Irons has been the kiss of death for a movie... "Eregon" (a great rifftrax) and he was in "Dungeons & Dragons"... so... He is a great actor but he has been picking some shitty scripts to be appear in, in recent years... I'm jus' sayin'... I'm not that excited that he is playing Alfred. It actually terrifies me, and confirms many of my worst fears.

Actually.

Those movies came out in 2006 and 2000, so I hardly feel that was a fair criticism. He also did a guest voice on the Simpsons more recently. It was the episode that got me invested in their newer stuff.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on May 03, 2015, 01:20:28 AM
No. It's a fair criticism. Since he won his well deserved Oscar [tm], he's been cashing in on his elegant voice. And the truth is, I've seen many a Nature documentary in which his voice has been quite wonderful...

But now it's all eye-bags and neck wattles... and playing for the cheap seats. And cheap movies... He's cashing checks. Which is fine, everybody has to, but don't get  over-excited about it. He's cashing checks.

All of these funny book movies need an Oscar[tm] winner to make them seem legitimate, Calm down.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on May 03, 2015, 05:18:50 AM
From the trailer I saw, I could hear Holly Hunter's voice in it. She is a magnificent actress, and I love her. I also know, that actresses in Hollywood these days, are just cashing checks, being the girlfriend of the hero or relegated to some other side role.

Just another Oscar[tm] for DoJustice... I mean, if you are an actor you are not going to turn down work. It doesn't mean it's GOOD work.

But, I hope I am wrong and this movie will be really good. I am basing most of aggravation on "Man of Steel" and as a Batman fan, I really hate Superman. But, seriously, "Man of steel" was total crap...

Plus, I am upset that "Dark Knight Rises" was such a bad film. Especially after "The Dark Night" which I thought was great. I thought if Rifftrax should go after anybody, it would be the third film and NOT "The Dark Knight", but, you know, I get it if Mike is a Superman fan.

Superman is easy for simple-minded people to understand. Batman is for a more refined palette. Batman has layers.

That's right, I said it... Mike Nelson thinks he is so tough... I would kick his Catholic ass into the dirt and his lord jesus, too!

(I am kidding... of course... Mike is more of a hero of mine than a cartoon...and that includes this jesus character. Which is a whole 'nuther thing...)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on May 03, 2015, 05:25:05 AM
You are drunk again, go sleep it off somewhere else.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on May 03, 2015, 05:35:33 AM
You are drunk again, go sleep it off somewhere else.

How can you possibly tell the difference?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on May 03, 2015, 05:37:02 AM
Thats his (not)secret, he is always drunk.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on May 03, 2015, 06:12:17 AM
No, I always have MS, which means I really can't drink. My MS drugs are too potent. I am Irish enough to drink sometimes outside of my doctors' regulations, (because I am Irish and I hate doctors), but for the most part I only play a drunk on the internet.

But it is true, it is really hard to tell when I am drunk or when I am sober. A lot of that comes from my immune system tearing up my brain, though, so... you should feel lucky I am cogent as I am.

And for saying that, Swipe, I will kick your dick into the dirt, you dirtbag!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on May 03, 2015, 07:10:30 AM
I will be holding my breath until then.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on May 03, 2015, 07:17:16 AM
I can drive to Maine, you know! I will kick your ass with my cane! And blind in one eye much like Daredevil, I will use my handicap powers to throw your dick in the dirt!

(You know I really like you and I am just bustin' yer balls a little bit...)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Sideswipe on May 03, 2015, 09:56:21 AM
I dont actually think you can do anything...
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RandyMistie on May 03, 2015, 10:05:49 AM
Even half crippled, as I am, I would still kick your loser ass with my sweet ninja moves!

(Napoleon Dynamite...)

What am I sayin' I will just pay one of my loser Irish cousins with a $20 bill and a forty to kick your ass FOR me...

(If we ever actually met, I think we would be fast friends...)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on July 11, 2015, 08:46:42 PM
Just saw the NEW Trailer for Superman V Batman... I couldn't help but feel very excited about this. Penny in the air... but they better not drop the ball. There's no excuse to screw this up.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on July 11, 2015, 08:59:46 PM
I saw the new BvsS trailer. There is no excuse to believe this will be any less awful than Man of Steel. Most likely it will suck even more so.

In particular the line from Ma Kent. Proving that she is just as shitty a parent as Pa Kent was.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on July 11, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
I hold out hope. Perhaps it's misplaced but it's all I have.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: BathTub on July 12, 2015, 10:54:46 PM
Context!

https://www.youtube.com/v/0WWzgGyAH6Y
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on July 12, 2015, 11:25:33 PM
Just watched it, holy shit I'm really excited for the movie now.  Went from 0 to 8
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on July 13, 2015, 10:02:03 PM
I like Aunt May's.... I'm sorry, I mean Ma Kent's advice about "You don't owe this planet anything", it might be a kind of reverse psychology, plus it evokes that line from Dark Knight Rises where Catwoman tells Batman "You've given these people everything" or something.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on July 14, 2015, 09:26:01 AM
My interest was suffering the more this looked like a Dark Knight Returns adaptation, but this trailer reset that quite a bit. I'm excited again. Loving the amount of history that's already radiating out of the background.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on July 14, 2015, 12:19:10 PM
Yeah! Totally!... What did he do?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 25, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Proof that if you go see Batman V Superman YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM:

http://www.avclub.com/article/ben-affleck-wont-bullshit-you-theres-lot-riding-ba-228930
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on November 25, 2015, 08:13:01 PM
The problem of more fun movies? YAY!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 25, 2015, 08:15:32 PM
The problem of more fun movies? YAY!

You thought Man of Steal was fun?

I've seen it called many things, but that wasn't one of them.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on November 25, 2015, 10:43:27 PM
I must confess while I did like Man of Steel more than Superman Returns, like a LOT more... I cannot see myself watching Man of Steel ever again. It was a pretty joyless film, and the humanity that made the original Superman film so grand just seemed to be missing so much from Man of steel. I'd like to see a little more emotion out of this Superman.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 25, 2015, 10:46:56 PM
I must confess while I did like Man of Steel more than Superman Returns, like a LOT more... I cannot see myself watching Man of Steel ever again. It was a pretty joyless film, and the humanity that made the original Superman film so grand just seemed to be missing so much from Man of steel. I'd like to see a little more emotion out of this Superman.

I like Superman Returns, though I haven't revisited it since Marvel changed the scene.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on November 25, 2015, 10:49:57 PM
I like Superman Returns, though I haven't revisited it since Marvel changed the scene.
Try watching it with the sound off. I think the classic Superman theme is one of the very few good things about that movie. Brandon Routh... I like him a lot less as Superman than Henry Cavill. Hell, I'll take Tom Welling over Brandon Routh, and I HATED Smallville.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on November 25, 2015, 11:26:54 PM
I've never liked a Superman movie so my expectations were pretty low
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on November 26, 2015, 02:21:56 AM
I've never liked a Superman movie so my expectations were pretty low
Not even the first one with Christopher Reeve?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on November 26, 2015, 04:55:49 AM
Not really, the poem, the tiny town flood and the general cheese put me off.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on November 26, 2015, 09:46:11 AM
Yup, still like Man of Steel. Call me the problem all you want.

I like the old Christopher Reeve movies (at least the first 2 and preferrably the Donner Cut of 2) but there was plenty of parts of it I tend to ignore or skip past (and I never could stabd Hackman's Luthor).

Liked Superman Returns at first, but it gets worse every time I see it, with the exception of Spacey's Luthor.

Man of Steel is my favorite of the bunch so far. My biggest problem with it is Mr Kent's "exit."

Still haven't seen a perfect take on Superman, but I'm happy with what we've had.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on November 26, 2015, 02:03:58 PM
Not really, the poem, the tiny town flood and the general cheese put me off.
Did it make you believe a man can fly?
I like the old Christopher Reeve movies (at least the first 2 and preferrably the Donner Cut of 2) but there was plenty of parts of it I tend to ignore or skip past (and I never could stabd Hackman's Luthor).
I'm the odd one out, I never liked Superman 2 nearly as much as the original. In fact I...
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Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on November 28, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
Not really, the poem, the tiny town flood and the general cheese put me off.
Did it make you believe a man can fly?
I like the old Christopher Reeve movies (at least the first 2 and preferrably the Donner Cut of 2) but there was plenty of parts of it I tend to ignore or skip past (and I never could stabd Hackman's Luthor).
I'm the odd one out, I never liked Superman 2 nearly as much as the original. In fact I...
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I don't think you are, really. While I like 2, I don't think it wasn't nearly as good as 1, largely because of the shift in tone caused by the change in directors mid-filming. That's why I prefer the Donner Cut, it still isn't complete as a movie, but you see the potential for something better than what we got.

3 and 4 are only good for riffing targets and "can you believe they did that" discussions.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on November 28, 2015, 12:16:36 PM
Not really, the poem, the tiny town flood and the general cheese put me off.
Did it make you believe a man can fly?
I like the old Christopher Reeve movies (at least the first 2 and preferrably the Donner Cut of 2) but there was plenty of parts of it I tend to ignore or skip past (and I never could stabd Hackman's Luthor).
I'm the odd one out, I never liked Superman 2 nearly as much as the original. In fact I...
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Me too. 2 just isn't that great. Everyone was so thrilled when it came out just to see multiple super powered being fighting, but it's still very clearly limited for what it could do with the effects of the day. Plus I found Zod to be a bit hit or miss. Most of the time he is good, but occasionally he gets very silly.
I watched Superman 2 with Tracy and Tristan of Quiptracks a year or so ago. I think Tracy had never seen it before, and it had been quite a while for me. It really doesn't hold up.
I'm still hoping that Quiptracks will riff it at some point.
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Post by: soguru on November 28, 2015, 07:45:08 PM
That fight in the city imho goes on for WAY too long. If it were made today... honestly, would it look anything less than what transpired in Man of Steel? In hindsight, it's funny to see the three of them simply using super breath to unleash hurricane force winds to knock people down the street. Seems kinda silly... especially after the gruesome ways in which they all murdered the poor astronauts on the moon.

Always thought the scene at the end was a bit cheap as well...
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Not saying Man of Steel was a good movie, but I honestly think a better case can be made that it's a better movie than Superman 2.
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Post by: Darth Geek on November 28, 2015, 09:28:40 PM
What I hated the most was that he gave up his powers, even briefly. And considering that Clark never met Zod without his powers, it's really just pointless. I've already mentioned in my Man of Steel review how much I hate hate HATE the scene in the diner in Superman 2 where the huge muscular Clark gets beat up by a guy significantly smaller than him.
I would never say Superman 2 is worse than Man of Steel. But there are a lot of issues with it, regardless of cut.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on November 28, 2015, 09:37:47 PM
What I hated the most was that he gave up his powers, even briefly. And considering that Clark never met Zod without his powers, it's really just pointless. I've already mentioned in my Man of Steel review how much I hate hate HATE the scene in the diner in Superman 2 where the huge muscular Clark gets beat up by a guy significantly smaller than him.
I would never say Superman 2 is worse than Man of Steel. But there are a lot of issues with it, regardless of cut.
That's the funny thing too, upon seeing the Richard Donner cut, I thought... this isn't much better. Superman 2 also kind of started what almost became a trend, where Superman pleads "No! Don't do it, the people!", and he says practically the same line in Superman 4 when Nuclearman starts blowing shit up after shouting "If you do not tell me... I will hurt people!"
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Pak-Man on November 29, 2015, 01:32:19 AM
Superman 2 is the one where they just kind of show up at the Fortress of Solitude after he gave up his powers, right? That always struck me as a pretty big plot hole.

"Well I'm a normal person, only capable of normal person things."
*JUMP CUT*
"Well, here we are at my Fortress of Solitude! The solitude comes from the fact that it's located where no normal person could reasonably reach."
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on November 29, 2015, 03:23:06 AM
Also there's little nick-picky stuff like if Lex is a bajillionaire why does he have a staff of 3 totally useless morons? 


Now I want to riff the Superman Series
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on November 29, 2015, 11:42:38 AM
Also there's little nick-picky stuff like if Lex is a bajillionaire why does he have a staff of 3 totally useless morons? 
Yeah, that's what always bothered me with Hackman's Luthor. He's way too cartoony. They spent so much in effects to make me believe a man can fly, but they couldn't get a good actor to make me believe that Luthor was a real threat?


Now I want to riff the Superman Series
I'd love to see the first and second ones riffed. The third and fourth are so bad it's not as much of a challenge.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on November 29, 2015, 04:55:05 PM
I want to see 3 and 4 riffed, just because I kind of liked them as a kid... but their appeal wears off when you realize how silly and bad they are.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 29, 2015, 04:57:53 PM
I would prefer to see 3 and 4 riffed too. I generally find riffing of good movies pretty dull.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on November 30, 2015, 05:29:10 AM
The potential issue of riffing 3 is that you'll have people chiming in with "but it's supposed to be a comedy, look at Richard Pryor" while completely missing that nothing Pryor did in that movie was funny.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 30, 2015, 10:19:10 AM
I really liked Man of Steel.  I do think the battle in the city carried on way too long, and Supes did too much damage for everyone to just blow it off (which may account for the anti-supes hate in the supes v batman trailer.  I loved the LexCorp truck getting blowed up, nice nod to the classic villain and a possible nod to the next flick.

As for the old ones well...I was pretty young then.  I did like them then...haven't watched in forever. 
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: BathTub on December 03, 2015, 01:25:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/fis-9Zqu2Ro
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on December 03, 2015, 05:04:48 AM
If this turns out to be the biggest budget gay porn ever I will be pretty happy about it
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on December 03, 2015, 05:24:58 AM
Yyyyup, shouldn't have watched the trailer. Already was going to see the movie and they're just giving away things that should have stayed rumors I was ignoring.

I need to start avoiding trailers in general now.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on December 03, 2015, 05:37:51 AM
Eh, I kind of liked it.  It had the tone and melodrama I expected plus Jesse Eisenberg seems like he's having fun and Affleck is a badass
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on December 03, 2015, 06:16:18 AM
Eh, I kind of liked it.  It had the tone and melodrama I expected plus Jesse Eisenberg seems like he's having fun and Affleck is a badass

Don't get me wrong, I agree with those points and the beginning of the trailer is great, it just gives away too much at the end. I'm fine going into the movie knowing the basics of Lex Luthor's plan. I don't want to know his back-up plan too. I know there's been rumors about it for months upon months, but I've been trying to avoid them and put them all in the file of "could be random fanboy rumor BS, forget it". I didn't want to see those rumors confirmed until I'm actually watching the movie.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on December 03, 2015, 06:20:41 AM
Wow...that was SO much worse than I was expecting. And I hated Man of Steel. I will be avoiding this like the plague.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Quirk on December 03, 2015, 06:24:18 AM
My first thought was "why is this so ugly?"
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Parker_Hylton on December 03, 2015, 08:39:35 AM
Great...now I have the
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
theme song running through my head.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: goflyblind on December 03, 2015, 02:53:33 PM
admittedly i haven't read much superman, but that seems like an odd portrayal of lex luthor.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on December 03, 2015, 03:41:51 PM
If anything it seems more like Lex Luthor II (his clone-son), who was running LexCorp in the comics when Doomsday was introduced.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 03, 2015, 03:53:47 PM
My first thought was "why is this so ugly?"

That is the most surprising thing to me - Snyder generally has style, even when I don't like what he's doing.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Henry88 on December 03, 2015, 05:53:55 PM
so doomsday eh
(http://hdonline.vn/i/resources/new//post/thumb/2015/12/03/lo-dien-nhan-vat-phan-dien-trong-phim-bom-tan-batman-v-superman.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Toyland Chairman on December 03, 2015, 06:19:46 PM
I had no idea Doomsday was going to be in this. I suspected Zod would somehow come back, probably the film-makers trying to free Superman from the guilt of killing him, but it looks like Lex turns him into Doomsday. I didn't see this coming. Unless there's more going on, I feel like including Doomsday in the promotion just spoiled the film's third act.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on December 03, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
My first thought was "why is this so ugly?"
I think they should just go ahead with what they clearly really want to do, and make Justice League movie in black and white.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 03, 2015, 07:57:11 PM
My first thought was "why is this so ugly?"
I think they should just go ahead with what they clearly really want to do, and make Justice League movie in black and white.

Black and white does not equal ugly.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on December 03, 2015, 08:01:00 PM
My first thought was "why is this so ugly?"
I think they should just go ahead with what they clearly really want to do, and make Justice League movie in black and white.

Black and white does not equal ugly.
When done well, that's true. But this desaturation shit is just ugly, and if they just made it in black and white they wouldn't have any of that pesky color that they apparently hate so much.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on December 04, 2015, 06:48:22 AM
so doomsday eh
(http://hdonline.vn/i/resources/new//post/thumb/2015/12/03/lo-dien-nhan-vat-phan-dien-trong-phim-bom-tan-batman-v-superman.jpg)

Or...

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/sfb9w864goxnr5qyuh9w.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on December 04, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
so doomsday eh
(http://hdonline.vn/i/resources/new//post/thumb/2015/12/03/lo-dien-nhan-vat-phan-dien-trong-phim-bom-tan-batman-v-superman.jpg)

Or...

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/sfb9w864goxnr5qyuh9w.jpg)
I was thinking a similar thing. He looks like the lovechild of the Cave Troll in LotR Moria and the 2014 Ninja Turtles.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Parker_Hylton on December 04, 2015, 09:59:34 AM
See, that's weird.  I suspect it's going to be one of those "more than one villain" type of deals, only because a month or two ago they released the "LexOS" promo as a viral marketing stunt and then made a website for it.  https://www.lexcorp.io/
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on December 04, 2015, 11:46:13 AM
See, that's weird.  I suspect it's going to be one of those "more than one villain" type of deals, only because a month or two ago they released the "LexOS" promo as a viral marketing stunt and then made a website for it.  https://www.lexcorp.io/
Well, Lex certainly is the villain, he just apparently makes Doomsday from Zod as his muscle.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 06, 2015, 10:38:14 PM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/tedprior/LexBluth.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Johnny Unusual on December 07, 2015, 02:24:31 AM
Nice.  I want that like button back.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on December 07, 2015, 11:33:54 PM
I bet Lucille Bluth wishes she could adopt Lex Luthor as her son. All hell would really break loose.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on December 08, 2015, 04:40:41 AM
Pl-please, like the guy in his father's $10 Billion Kryptonite-powered bodysuit needs to be adopted. COME ON!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on December 08, 2015, 05:13:56 AM
Nobody's made an "I'd rather see a Star War" joke yet? I don't even like the show and that was the first thing I thought
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: soguru on December 08, 2015, 06:02:48 PM
Nobody's made an "I'd rather see a Star War" joke yet? I don't even like the show and that was the first thing I thought
Arrested Development is a good show. :(
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on December 16, 2015, 01:49:30 PM
(http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/7Zpsu8X.jpg)
(http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/EXAodRy.jpg)
(http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/xXAWck1.jpg)


So do they really think we are so stupid that we wouldn't recognize Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, that they had to put huge symbols on it too?!

I wasn't overly fond of the early posters with the ripped paper look, but at least that was stylized.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: BathTub on December 16, 2015, 01:55:56 PM
Do you honestly think the logos are there 'so people recognize the characters'? Really?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 16, 2015, 02:17:05 PM
To be fair, they are so dark unless they were under a spotlight you actually might not be able to recognise them...
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Parker_Hylton on December 16, 2015, 02:59:53 PM
...and where is Aquaman?  Did the crapstorm that hit with the Jason Momoa poster scare the studio too bad or something?  Hell, if they want to go that route do a poster of Raj from BBT captioned "Aquaman sucks." 

Personally, I'd rather see Momoa the whole film than Ben Affleckman. 
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 16, 2015, 03:46:32 PM
...and where is Aquaman?  Did the crapstorm that hit with the Jason Momoa poster scare the studio too bad or something?  Hell, if they want to go that route do a poster of Raj from BBT captioned "Aquaman sucks." 

Personally, I'd rather see Momoa the whole film than Ben Affleckman.

They might well roll more characters out over the next few months. Marvel did it with Avengers...
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: JimJ on December 18, 2015, 01:05:27 AM
http://www.wired.com/brandlab/2015/12/lexical-analysis-lex-luthor-on-disrupting-the-vigilante-industrial-complex/
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on December 18, 2015, 02:45:23 AM
Do you honestly think the logos are there 'so people recognize the characters'? Really?

Yeah, being angry about pre-release movie stuff is kind of his gimmick but this seems like a stretch.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on January 27, 2016, 06:53:39 AM
SPOILERS!

http://www.chud.com/171699/is-this-the-real-big-bad-of-batman-v-superman/
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Setting aside my disdain for Man Of Steel and what I've seen of B vs S so far:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

As negative as I have been on this whole DCU endeavor so far, if they take care of the differences with Batman and Superman in B vs S so that Superman can actually be the good guy we want him to be, then maybe the Justice League movie will actually be interesting. Plus I am still holding out a shred of hope for Wonder Woman, because I would really love to see a WW movie done well.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on January 27, 2016, 07:23:37 AM
]
As negative as I have been on this whole

..idea of cinema
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 16, 2016, 05:27:49 PM
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/38967/ben-affleck-on-his-batman-hes-kind-of-given-up

OH FUCK YOU, SNYDER! It was bad enough that he completely screwed up Superman to make him more like Batman, I at least figured that meant he would get Batman right. But apparently he's wrong too. Goddamnit, Batman never gives up!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 16, 2016, 05:37:46 PM
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/38967/ben-affleck-on-his-batman-hes-kind-of-given-up

OH FUCK YOU, SNYDER! It was bad enough that he completely screwed up Superman to make him more like Batman, I at least figured that meant he would get Batman right. But apparently he's wrong too. Goddamnit, Batman never gives up!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_Returns
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on February 16, 2016, 05:58:11 PM
I can see how that could make sense in the right context

He'd totally given up in Dark Knight Rises
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 16, 2016, 06:23:05 PM
I can see how that could make sense in the right context

He'd totally given up in Dark Knight Rises
Which was one of the things I hated about Dark Knight Rises too.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 16, 2016, 06:27:37 PM
I can see how that could make sense in the right context

He'd totally given up in Dark Knight Rises
Which was one of the things I hated about Dark Knight Rises too.

This movie is heavily inspired by The Dark Knight Returns. Which starts with him having quit.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on February 16, 2016, 06:42:34 PM
I can see how that could make sense in the right context

He'd totally given up in Dark Knight Rises
Which was one of the things I hated about Dark Knight Rises too.

This movie is heavily inspired by The Dark Knight Returns. Which starts with him having quit.

Yeah, which was why I was confused that Darth linked Dark Knight Returns
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 16, 2016, 06:47:24 PM
I can see how that could make sense in the right context

He'd totally given up in Dark Knight Rises
Which was one of the things I hated about Dark Knight Rises too.

This movie is heavily inspired by The Dark Knight Returns. Which starts with him having quit.

Yeah, which was why I was confused that Darth linked Dark Knight Returns

That was me ;)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 16, 2016, 06:51:09 PM
I can see how that could make sense in the right context

He'd totally given up in Dark Knight Rises
Which was one of the things I hated about Dark Knight Rises too.

This movie is heavily inspired by The Dark Knight Returns. Which starts with him having quit.

Yeah, which was why I was confused that Darth linked Dark Knight Returns
I didn't link to Dark Knight Returns, Grug did.
I've never read DKR, but while it may be considered a classic by a lot of fans, everything I've heard about it doesn't interest me. Batman should never quit. And Batman making a suit for himself to fight Superman just turns him into Iron Man.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 16, 2016, 10:27:13 PM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/tedprior/superburger.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: goflyblind on February 17, 2016, 06:20:28 AM
i would watch that movie so hard.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Pak-Man on February 17, 2016, 06:57:36 AM
That's what happens when you let The Spirit design your fast food restaurant's uniforms.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on February 17, 2016, 10:06:41 PM
I can see how that could make sense in the right context

He'd totally given up in Dark Knight Rises
Which was one of the things I hated about Dark Knight Rises too.

This movie is heavily inspired by The Dark Knight Returns. Which starts with him having quit.

Yeah, which was why I was confused that Darth linked Dark Knight Returns
I didn't link to Dark Knight Returns, Grug did.
I've never read DKR, but while it may be considered a classic by a lot of fans, everything I've heard about it doesn't interest me. Batman should never quit. And Batman making a suit for himself to fight Superman just turns him into Iron Man.

You mean a billionaire using his wealth to help him fight injustice?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on February 18, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
I can see how that could make sense in the right context

He'd totally given up in Dark Knight Rises
Which was one of the things I hated about Dark Knight Rises too.

This movie is heavily inspired by The Dark Knight Returns. Which starts with him having quit.

Yeah, which was why I was confused that Darth linked Dark Knight Returns
I didn't link to Dark Knight Returns, Grug did.
I've never read DKR, but while it may be considered a classic by a lot of fans, everything I've heard about it doesn't interest me. Batman should never quit. And Batman making a suit for himself to fight Superman just turns him into Iron Man.

I did read DKR, and I absolutely lothed it. I acknowledge its importance because it helped snap people out of the mindset that Batman must always equal ridiculous, but I really hated Bruce's character in it. When you make ME hate Batman in a Batman story...that should be practically impossible.

I'll still give this movie a chance, and hope that they keep enough of Batman's hope alive in it. Seems likely that it'll be seen as a lapse that ends with the formation of the Justice League.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 18, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
I don't like it either, I was just saying there has been more than one comic in which Batman has given up.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on February 19, 2016, 06:48:15 AM
I'm sure there is too, though I can't think of them off the top of my head.

I guess you could kind of say he'd given up at the begining of Kingdom Come. He was still working, but he'd just turned Gotham into a police state and had no interest in anything else until Superman gave him a push.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: jonalame on February 20, 2016, 01:29:09 AM
I loved DKR.  8) Let me just draw my line in the sand... there.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
... I could go on.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: PsychoGoatee on February 20, 2016, 01:31:18 PM
I also love Dark Knight Returns, a classic. Batman's voice has seldom been written stronger.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on February 24, 2016, 01:33:08 PM
Not sure I like the possibility of this film getting a Rated R cut.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on February 25, 2016, 07:34:20 PM
http://comicbook.com/2016/02/25/exclusive-regal-theaters-announces-batman-v-superman-ultimate-ti/ (http://comicbook.com/2016/02/25/exclusive-regal-theaters-announces-batman-v-superman-ultimate-ti/)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on February 26, 2016, 08:03:50 AM
http://comicbook.com/2016/02/25/exclusive-regal-theaters-announces-batman-v-superman-ultimate-ti/ (http://comicbook.com/2016/02/25/exclusive-regal-theaters-announces-batman-v-superman-ultimate-ti/)
I actually like this idea. Not for this movie, of course, fuck this shit. But I wish they had done this for Star Wars The Force Awakens, and Deadpool.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Pak-Man on February 26, 2016, 08:16:38 AM
It would be cool to be able to see Force Awakens on a whim. Of course, during those viewings you'd want some refreshments and then the REAL goal behind the tickets becomes clear...
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on February 27, 2016, 07:33:45 AM
I can't even justify that idea for movies I like.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on February 27, 2016, 06:02:05 PM
That sounds great
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 21, 2016, 06:38:09 AM
(http://static.damnlol.com/i/392e8b831cb770abe7dced1c4c2e1785.jpg)
I like to think their Fathers' ghosts are standing there watching all of this, just shaking their heads. "Man, our kids are tools."
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 22, 2016, 05:29:48 PM
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/batman-v-superman/39387/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-review

Quote
Most intriguingly, it makes both heroes seem elemental and borderline frightening; there are moments in Batman V Superman’s first half that wouldn’t look out of place in a horror movie. Here, Batman and Superman aren’t characters to be afraid for, but to be afraid of.

Pretty much confirms my concerns with Snyder getting BOTH of the characters wrong. It's one thing when characters that you already know and like go dark because of a situation, but it's quite another for it to be WHEN THEY ARE NEW TO US! The point of having Superman and Batman go up against each other is supposed to be that we like both of them and don't know who's side to take. Why the hell should we like either of these dangerous assholes?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on March 22, 2016, 05:35:53 PM
Yeah, Batman isn't supposed to be dangerous or scary.  That's not the whole concept of the character at all
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2016, 05:46:59 PM
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k214/sallyp617/Silly/capture02-9.jpg)

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--GeFsbACK--/17h551hhfbgfljpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on March 22, 2016, 05:59:48 PM
OF COURSE! A CANARY WITH A MACHINE GUN!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: SJP on March 22, 2016, 08:53:50 PM
Just read that Den of Geek review, and it makes me wonder:

Of all the superhero movies that have come out in the past few years (with the possible exception of Ant-Man and Iron Man 3, which I haven't seen yet)...why is there some kind of idea to make us fear and loathe superheroes lately?  Everything seems to be about how none of the people granted superpowers have any business using them and should be shunned and thrown into a cell somewhere, or regulated by the government into oblivion.  The only one that was happy and not ashamed of it was Guardians of the Galaxy, and that was about young Han Solo teaming up with a tree, a raccoon, and two green people to save the world because no one else can.  Even if Marvel seems happy and joyful on the surface, most of the time the movies get downright depressing.  It's almost like we shouldn't be rooting for them anymore because they're all brooding jerks without an ounce of joy in their souls.

In short, where's Frank Gorshin in a bowler when you need him?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on March 22, 2016, 09:10:07 PM
If it's loosely based on Dark Knight Returns then the whole idea is Superman is too powerful, or Batman thinks he is.  I find the idea he maybe agrees he should be kept in check somewhat refreshing to be honest, although it's conceptually similar to Civil War
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Rainbow Dash on March 23, 2016, 01:47:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KMgvKlT.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/RshfLw1.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/bgwDfSt.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/v6vfdC7.png)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Kete on March 23, 2016, 01:54:17 PM
Afflek was our first clue...or third or fourth clue.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: MightyBombJack on March 23, 2016, 02:49:13 PM
'Batman v Superman' Draws Mixed Reviews: Overly Serious, Not Enough Wonder Woman

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/batman-v-superman-draws-mixed-877635?facebook_20160323

Quote
"The film is only slightly more pessimistic than Lars von Trier's 'Antichrist.' You'd have to go back to Mel Gibson’s 'Passion of the Christ' to find this much Christian iconography wedded to this much sadism."
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2016, 03:38:49 PM
Wow, it's doing much worse critically than I thought it would. Hope people wise up and stop going though, or else the movies will continue in the same way.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Kete on March 23, 2016, 04:02:35 PM
Wow, it's doing much worse critically than I thought it would. Hope people wise up and stop going though, or else the movies will continue in the same way.

But they don't ever blame the right thing.  They won't say, "Man, we should have made a better movie". They'll say, "See!  That's why you don't make a Wonder Woman movie".
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 23, 2016, 04:05:01 PM
So are the people that liked Man of Steel also liking this movie?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on March 23, 2016, 04:29:58 PM
Afflek was our first clue...or third or fourth clue.

Affleck was most of what the movie had going for it. 
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: MightyBombJack on March 23, 2016, 05:24:00 PM
Yikes, is it really this ugly of a movie?

http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2016/03/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice.html

I'm not one to pearl-clutch about superhero movies being "dark" and inappropriate for children and all of that (I enjoyed Deadpool and Nolan's Batman trilogy a lot and have read Watchmen and The Dark Knight), but it does pain me a little bit thinking of kids like my superhero-loving nephew being taken to see this. Sounds a lot like a Superman/Batman movie for the Trump era (Zack Snyder apparently wants to make a movie adaptation of Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead next).

(I am a little confused by the writer's somewhat odd comment that 9/11 was only the second use of weapons of mass destruction over a civilian area.)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Rainbow Dash on March 23, 2016, 06:22:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/GGQrJaP.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/QGTF7YZ.png)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: stethacantus on March 23, 2016, 07:44:00 PM
Just read that Den of Geek review, and it makes me wonder:

Of all the superhero movies that have come out in the past few years (with the possible exception of Ant-Man and Iron Man 3, which I haven't seen yet)...why is there some kind of idea to make us fear and loathe superheroes lately?  Everything seems to be about how none of the people granted superpowers have any business using them and should be shunned and thrown into a cell somewhere, or regulated by the government into oblivion.  The only one that was happy and not ashamed of it was Guardians of the Galaxy, and that was about young Han Solo teaming up with a tree, a raccoon, and two green people to save the world because no one else can.  Even if Marvel seems happy and joyful on the surface, most of the time the movies get downright depressing.  It's almost like we shouldn't be rooting for them anymore because they're all brooding jerks without an ounce of joy in their souls.

In short, where's Frank Gorshin in a bowler when you need him?

Hollywood loves a formula. For so long the formula was to emulate the 60's Batman television series, and turn your superhero movie into a tongue in cheek comedy. Even Tim Burton's dark Batman films had their fair share of comedy.  Punisher ( 1989 ) and Captain America were the only exceptions, and neither one got a release. Batman & Robin ( 1997 ) was the movie that came the closest to being like the Batman television series, and it tanked the Batman movie franchise. The formula failed. A few years later X-Men ( 2000 )  was released and was a huge success. Suddenly the superhero film had a new formula. Be like the X-Men movies. Much like the comic book, the X-Men movies had a government that did not trust mutants and sought to legislate them, or take their powers away. That mistrust in enhanced abilities transferred to the other superhero films.

Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on March 23, 2016, 08:02:56 PM
To me the worst part of Batman vs Superman maybe not being good is that all the "WAAAH! BATFFLECK!" dickbags will be smug
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 23, 2016, 08:31:43 PM
Considering that the reviews I've read all say that Wonder Woman is the highlight of the movie, I hope they still go ahead with her solo movie at least.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ManUnderMask on March 23, 2016, 09:09:40 PM
Considering that the reviews I've read all say that Wonder Woman is the highlight of the movie, I hope they still go ahead with her solo movie at least.

Wonder Woman and Shazam are the only two DECU movies I want to see, and I want to see Shazam only because The Rock is Black Adam.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on March 23, 2016, 09:27:02 PM
I'm surprised DC don't do more with Captain Marvel, he's basically Peter Parker who becomes Thor. 
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2016, 10:20:33 PM
Wow, it's doing much worse critically than I thought it would. Hope people wise up and stop going though, or else the movies will continue in the same way.

But they don't ever blame the right thing.  They won't say, "Man, we should have made a better movie". They'll say, "See!  That's why you don't make a Wonder Woman movie".

Maybe, but they'll eat those words when Captain Marvel comes out.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2016, 10:28:51 PM
Afflek was our first clue...or third or fourth clue.

Affleck was most of what the movie had going for it.

You saw it? Or you're going from reviews?

Personally I can't think of a Ben Affleck movie I care for. Maybe Smokin' Aces, but it's almost as terrible as it is good...
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Pak-Man on March 23, 2016, 10:38:10 PM
So are the people that liked Man of Steel also liking this movie?
As one of those people, I'll let you know. My birthday is coming up, and this is the most appealing thing in theaters right now, so to heck with the critics. I'm gonna see for myself.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ManUnderMask on March 23, 2016, 10:44:23 PM
Personally I can't think of a Ben Affleck movie I care for.

Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms, yo!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on March 23, 2016, 10:45:54 PM
Afflek was our first clue...or third or fourth clue.

Affleck was most of what the movie had going for it.

You saw it? Or you're going from reviews?

Personally I can't think of a Ben Affleck movie I care for. Maybe Smokin' Aces, but it's almost as terrible as it is good...

I was going from Man of Steel and Affleck
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2016, 10:56:57 PM
Afflek was our first clue...or third or fourth clue.

Affleck was most of what the movie had going for it.

You saw it? Or you're going from reviews?

Personally I can't think of a Ben Affleck movie I care for. Maybe Smokin' Aces, but it's almost as terrible as it is good...

I was going from Man of Steel and Affleck

No familiar with the saying "two wrongs don't make a right," then?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2016, 11:02:20 PM
Personally I can't think of a Ben Affleck movie I care for.

Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms, yo!

To be fair to Affleck, I've not seen Phantoms.

Affleck is rarely my problem in the movies I see him in (unless he's directing them) but still, very poor returns as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2016, 11:17:11 PM
Imagine being on the set of Justice League in a couple of weeks...  :-[
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 24, 2016, 06:32:55 AM
Imagine being on the set of Justice League in a couple of weeks...  :-[
Imagine being one of the producers. They already sunk so much money into JL, and the script is done (hopefully). So even if they fired Snyder. it'd be very difficult to turn the ship at this point. Especially since the biggest issue most of the reviews have is how dark the tone is.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on March 24, 2016, 07:10:08 AM
While I'm still reserving judgement, maybe one bit of good that can come of this is getting some different writers involved. David Goyer has made both good and bad movies, but overall I think he gets too much comic book movie work.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 24, 2016, 09:41:33 AM
While I'm still reserving judgement, maybe one bit of good that can come of this is getting some different writers involved. David Goyer has made both good and bad movies, but overall I think he gets too much comic book movie work.
I completely agree.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: anais.butterfly on March 24, 2016, 09:46:18 PM
I liked it.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Relaxing Dragon on March 25, 2016, 10:20:39 AM
I liked Ben Affleck in it (but then, I expected to). The rest was generally a baffling jumble of a movie.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Compound on March 25, 2016, 12:56:44 PM
Yeah, saw it last night. As a movie, I liked it. As a representation of Batman and Superman, I'm less enthusiastic. Batman's a bit off (but Affleck was actually pretty good. His performance was one of the few that I've seen that actually treated Bruce Wayne as something other than an afterthought, and a bit heroic in his own right), Supes is way, way, way off. Luthor's... interesting, but I don't know if I'd call it a good portrayal of him. To be fair, I've watched a lot of the DC animated stuff recently, and Eisenberg's version comes off poorly in comparison to that Lex.

But once you move away from them, the other characters are pretty good. The bits and pieces we see of Gadot are great. The brief scenes with the rest of the League actually look pretty good too. Except for one scene in the middle which didn't make a lot of sense period. If this had been, say, Atlas vs. The Revenant, I think people would have liked it a lot more. There are some really impressive scenes in it. But it's far too gritty a version of Superman.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: BathTub on March 25, 2016, 01:39:16 PM
Any talk of a directors cut?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Compound on March 25, 2016, 01:54:20 PM
Oh, and FYI-

https://www.youtube.com/v/aBJyp2LFHgk?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RVR II on March 25, 2016, 02:41:34 PM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/03001/batmansupermangiphy_zpsd5ddvzeb.gif) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/03001/batmansupermangiphy_zpsd5ddvzeb.gif.html)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: goflyblind on March 25, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/DARfokZ.gif)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 25, 2016, 03:47:53 PM
Man, the gif version does not work as well as the video version.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 25, 2016, 03:48:58 PM
Any talk of a directors cut?

As in the director's involvement is cut out of the film?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 25, 2016, 07:30:43 PM
Pretty much all the reviews I saw praised Affleck and Cavill. It's not their fault if it's a jumbled mess.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 25, 2016, 07:47:46 PM
Pretty much all the reviews I saw praised Affleck and Cavill. It's not their fault if it's a jumbled mess.

Except that they signed on to make a movie directed by Zack Snyder. I mean, Affleck especially should have seen Man of Steal before joining.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RVR II on March 26, 2016, 08:17:38 AM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/03001/3osxYfP8SJVa9XpVyo_zpsngh492ar.gif) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/03001/3osxYfP8SJVa9XpVyo_zpsngh492ar.gif.html)
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Henry88 on March 26, 2016, 12:17:30 PM
$197,310,000    
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2015.htm
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: goflyblind on March 26, 2016, 02:13:20 PM
$197,310,000    
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2015.htm

so... (apparently) terrible movies will still get to be made? hurrah!
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ManUnderMask on March 26, 2016, 03:25:44 PM
$197,310,000    
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2015.htm

It only needs 800 million more to break even.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 26, 2016, 05:36:29 PM
If I do end up watching this movie just out of morbid curiosity, I will wait for the rated R DVD release and watch that. Because while it is a butt numbing 3 hours, it presumably won't have as much cut out of it that some reviewers have been complaining about as far as pacing and setup. I figure that will be at least giving this movie the best chance. But until then I'm not giving it my $10 in the theater.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Pak-Man on March 26, 2016, 09:03:01 PM
Maybe it's the critics who are wrong, this time.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 26, 2016, 09:10:34 PM
Maybe it's the critics who are wrong, this time.
I don't always agree with critics, but I at least tend to respect them for actually thinking about movies. The general public is far too willing to "turn their brain off".
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on March 26, 2016, 09:24:32 PM
A lot of mess, noise and static around some terrific scenes and actors.  Possibly my favorite portrayal of Superman ever though
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 28, 2016, 09:28:33 PM
Hey, there is some hope for humanity after all:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/03/28/batman-v-superman-sets-record-with-worst-friday-sunday-drop-for-superhero-pics/#2f2ec1136d72
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Pak-Man on March 29, 2016, 09:00:35 AM
Can't hold a candle to most of the MCU stuff, but I found it to be an interesting movie about power and those who fear it. I expected to hate this Lex Luthor, but he was the star of the show for me. Affleck does a way better job as Bruce Wayne than I thought he would, but his Batman's just a little bit off. This Superman is very much the Superman from Man of Steel, so if you didn't like him then, you won't like him now. I think Amy Adams is a good Lois Lane. Wonder Woman is awesome but I wonder how far into the scriptwriting process she was added. It doesn't subtract from the movie at all, but it has this air of, "Here I am, too! See my movie!" It's hard to describe, but it's like she shows up out of nowhere, except they added some scenes earlier in the movie so she wouldn't show up out of nowhere.

Worth the $10 in my opinion. It's hard to say how the other DC movies will go because they did this backwards, using the team-up movie to introduce the solo movies.

There was one tiny moment that bugged me a little bit, but it didn't spoil the movie. (Although this is a pretty big spoiler, so it spoils the movie by that definition):

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Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: anais.butterfly on March 29, 2016, 09:40:20 AM

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Also:

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Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 29, 2016, 10:13:15 AM

Also:

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Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: jonalame on March 29, 2016, 12:06:38 PM
I have no idea why Zack Snyder, or anyone else, wanted to make this story into a movie, and close examination of the film itself is no help. "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" is one of the most unpleasant, contrived, artificial, cloying experiences I've had at the movies. To call it manipulative would be inaccurate; it has an ambition to manipulate, but fails.


The film stars Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill, who are both wonderful actors (and if you don't believe me, watch the 2002 version of "The Count of Monte Cristo"). Here they are stuck in a story that no actor, however wonderful, however young, should be punished with. They both play a kid with inattentive parents, who decides to go into a cape, free himself of them, and go on a worldwide search to cope with the loss of parents.

This idea is deeply flawed. Children do not lightly separate from their parents - and certainly not on the evidence provided here, where the great parental sin is not being alive. The parents (some Clark Gable-esque guy and MAGG-IE from Walking Dead) have provided little Bruce with what looks like a million-dollar house in a Frank Capra neighborhood, all on dad's salary as a businessman. And, yes, I know that is supposed to be a fantasy, but the business jokes are only the first of several truly awful episodes in this film.

Clark goes into court, where the judge grew up emulating Greta van Sustern, proving without the slightest shadow of a doubt that she should never, ever appear again in public with any material even vaguely inspired by Jody Foster. Clark's case hits the headlines, and since he is such an all-star overachiever, offers pour in from would-be assassins all over the world, leading to an odyssey that takes him from Metropolis, across the bay to Gotham, and back to Metropolis, and maybe Gotham again.

What is the point of all the scenes with the baptismal/communion symbolism? (The victimized audience ranges from punching bag to browbeaten). The scenes all seen as broad, desperate comic caricatures. They are not funny. They are not touching. There is no truth in them. They don't even work as parodies. There is an idiocy here that seems almost intentional, as if the filmmakers plotted to leave anything of interest or entertainment value out of these episodes.

Bruce/Clark are followed on their travels by a mysterious character who appears in many guises. He is the Max Landis, a boy in a man's suit, Heath Ledger's 'The Joker', and a Vanilla Ice hook singer who works in several product plugs.

Funny, thinks the audience; this guy looks familiar. And so he is. All of the manifestations are played by Jesse Eisenberg, who is not funny, or helpful, in any of them.

I hated this movie. Hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Hated it. Hated every simpering stupid vacant audience-insulting moment of it. Hated the sensibility that thought anyone would like it. Hated the implied insult to the audience by its belief that anyone would be entertained by it.

I hold it as an item of faith that Zack Snyder is a filmmaker.

"Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" is a bad film - one of the worst movies ever made. It must represent some sort of lapse from which America will recover - possibly sooner than I will.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on March 29, 2016, 12:07:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/Gkebn0-iG3k

https://www.youtube.com/v/-D15FdGRDwM
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 29, 2016, 05:41:44 PM

I hated this movie. Hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Hated it. Hated every simpering stupid vacant audience-insulting moment of it. Hated the sensibility that thought anyone would like it. Hated the implied insult to the audience by its belief that anyone would be entertained by it.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 29, 2016, 05:44:41 PM
While I think I would likely feel the same way as you, Jon, I don't understand why you went to see it. What did you think it was going to be before you went in?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on March 29, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
Well at least you're being reasonable about it
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: jonalame on March 29, 2016, 08:02:37 PM
My "review" is just Roger Ebert's review for the movie North with me playing BvS:Mad Libs. Doesn't a lot of it fit, though? I was quite tickled when I was converting it to be relevant to BvS. I bet a few of you already caught that, but just so we're clear. To make up for it, I will give you my honest opinion, not that I think my honest opinion is a currency anyone here has reason to value (and I'll try to do it without too many parenthetical notions.)


I just wanted to see it to see it, Grug. I want to be part of the water-cooler conversation. I want to have an opinion about whatever the zeitgeist is "about" at the moment and share it with like minded individuals. I'm fascinated by movies, good and bad alike. I like to analyze. Why is it good? Why is it bad? What happened between intention and execution? That is part of the reason I'm here, MST3K and what have you. There is material and solid ideas in this movie for four or five good movies, if they had gone down that route, instead it was all a cramped mess.

I liked Cavill. I liked Affleck. I thought all the religious symbolism and reflecting on life's greater meaning and wallowing in the existential mud has no real place in a superhero movie(I wasn't a big fan of this with Nolan's Batman trilogy or Man of Steel or V for Vendetta or Alan Miller's work and so on down the line.) I would like to point out that I am not religious, but I don't mind religious symbolism or subtext whatsoever in any given story, I just found it to be out of place here. Superhero movies should before all else strive to be entertaining; a fun romp one delves into with whimsy and escapism, not a seat on the pew in the bully pulpit. That is why Guardian of the Galaxy struck such a chord, isn't it? It was fun? That is not to say that films can't "have something to say", and they should, but I had enough of the superhero as Messianic figure and the parallels one could draw some time ago. One wants to project themselves onto the hero of the story, right? Why would I want to be any of these miserable characters? A lot of the stuff that gets used seems like a hodge-podge of left over ideas from Watchmen's alternate future.

My real problems with the movie are few, but major. Chiefly, Jesse Eisenberg. He is roughly one third of the movie. Even if the Batman/Superman portions were firing on all cylinders, and they weren't, it would all still hinge on Eisenberg's performance to tie it all together. The man can clearly act and he took a risk, and so did the people involved with the movie in other regards, but that was a risk that resulted in colossal failure. (In my opinion the risk worked for Star Wars and Kylo Ren, apropos of nothing.) In his last scene, where I believe I am supposed to be intimidated in the reveal of the next "Big Bad" villain, my eyes rolled back in my head and I literally guffawed.

Next, the pacing. The first half of the movie is a slog, the second half is chock full of gorgeous cgi overkill, but we only get to see B v S for a few minutes. I would have preferred zero narrative whatsoever and just have them fight like they were lego figures I was smashing together in my hands, rather than have a single moment make the title technically true.

There are many other problems, but those are the two that stick out most at the moment.

I'd like to say something nice about the movie. I genuinely enjoyed the dream like quality that Snyder was able to impose on the film.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on March 29, 2016, 08:05:03 PM
My "review" is just Roger Ebert's review for the movie North with me playing BvS:Mad Libs.

Oh, that's why I thought it was awful.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 29, 2016, 08:12:02 PM
I just don't understand hate-supporting something. Giving money to something terrible just makes it more likely to be repeated. You've caused more of the thing you hate to exist in the world. Especially doing it in the first week.

I find it frustrating how much of that I see. "well, I went and saw TMNT/Transformers/BvS" etc etc

If that's your thing, if you like it, more power to you. but if you don't like a thing, it seems odd to support it.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Kete on March 29, 2016, 10:00:46 PM
I just got back from seeing it, and I really liked it. It certainly has flaws, but overall, I thought it was pretty great. I think that the critics just decided to pile on this one. 30% is not fair at all. This one was at least as good as Man of Steel, and a hundred times better than Superman Returns. I think it deserves somewhere in the 70% range.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on March 29, 2016, 10:04:23 PM
Yeah, seems a *bit* like John Carter where people just wanted it to be bad and just heap scorn on it
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 29, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
I just got back from seeing it, and I really liked it. It certainly has flaws, but overall, I thought it was pretty great. I think that the critics just decided to pile on this one. 30% is not fair at all. This one was at least as good as Man of Steel, and a hundred times better than Superman Returns. I think it deserves somewhere in the 70% range.

Which critics have posted unfair reviews? I've only read about six (mostly from places I tend to trust reviews from), but they all seemed well reasoned.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Kete on March 29, 2016, 10:13:40 PM
I just got back from seeing it, and I really liked it. It certainly has flaws, but overall, I thought it was pretty great. I think that the critics just decided to pile on this one. 30% is not fair at all. This one was at least as good as Man of Steel, and a hundred times better than Superman Returns. I think it deserves somewhere in the 70% range.

Which critics have posted unfair reviews? I've only read about six (mostly from places I tend to trust reviews from), but they all seemed well reasoned.

It's those exact 6 that you follow.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 29, 2016, 10:21:15 PM
I didn't make a claim that the reviewers were being unfair, you did. :P
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Kete on March 29, 2016, 10:35:29 PM
I didn't make a claim that the reviewers were being unfair, you did. :P

I'm just joking :)

I haven't read that much, I'm just going off of star ratings and RT percentages.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Quirk on March 30, 2016, 06:53:30 AM
Keep in mind that's the percentage of critics who liked the film, not an average score from them. It may be that none of them would give it a score as low as 30%.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: SJP on March 30, 2016, 10:13:01 AM
I think to be considered a negative score from a critic, Rotten Tomatoes rates it based on if they give it 2-2.5 stars (depending on four or five star rating system) or less.  I've even seen a couple of critic reviews where they have a rotten next to their review, but the review actually looks positive, so it's not exactly a perfect system.

But critics and audiences don't always have to agree.  I remember a few years ago Steven Soderbergh released that movie Haywire.  If you look at Rotten Tomatoes, critics loved it, saying it was a Soderbergh masterpiece.  Audiences hated the film, and sometimes with a passion.  They called it slow, boring, and predictable.  It could go on that sort of "bandwagon" mentality, as in, Soderbergh can do no wrong, as is piling onto Batman v Superman.  Every other critic hates it, so in order to go to the same parties, some critics who are indifferent or didn't hate it may say it sucks and sucks hard.

Granted, I KNOW people aren't liking the movie, and honestly so...this isn't to discredit it at all.  But peer pressure exists in the critic world, too, and an event like this is sometimes the best way to cry, "Me, too!"

I'm going to see it tonight.  I'm not necessarily looking forward to it, but I'm not going in wanting to crush it into the ground, either.  I never saw Man of Steel, so I won't be able to compare the two.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Kete on March 30, 2016, 10:27:05 AM
I never saw Man of Steel, so I won't be able to compare the two.

You really should see Man of Steel before seeing this.  I think the new movie would suffer greatly if you haven't seen the first one.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 30, 2016, 05:12:56 PM
I never saw Man of Steel, so I won't be able to compare the two.

You really should see Man of Steel before seeing this.  I think the new movie would suffer greatly if you haven't seen the first one.

Sure, but SJP will suffer greatly if he has to see them both.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: SJP on March 31, 2016, 09:53:15 AM
So, went to see it, and my thoughts...

It was not as bad as I had been expecting.  In fact, I would say I was entertained by it.  It could've been I had gone in on incredibly low expectations, hearing that the movie was nothing but dreariness and exposition and wallowing in misery.  I had been expecting internal monologues aplenty, like the beginning and the end of the movie.

Yes, Zack Snyder does need an editor, in the same way that Gore Verbinski does.  The movie didn't have to be two and a half hours long, I can see that.  But I didn't feel like I was being dragged through an endless narrative.  I did like the fights (yes, both of them), I thought Affleck was perfectly acceptable as Batman, I thought Cavill was fine.  Eisenberg didn't even bother me that much (though I totally understand why he would annoy most of the audience; some girl in the back of the mostly empty theater I was in kept yelling for Batman and Superman to "f***ing kill Eisenberg!  Just kill that f***!").  That they shoehorned in as much potential "Justice League" stuff into it as possible to set up another movie didn't bother me at all.  I wasn't even at all affected by the dreary quality of the movie.

I guess what I think it DID do right, in an odd sort of way, is distance itself from the Marvel feel.  I love the Marvel movies, and I love how they have a cheerful quality even in their darkest moments, and I thought that was going to make me hate this film.  It didn't.  For all their attempts over the years to rip each other off, I actually appreciated that Marvel and DC movies have a different feel.  Yeah, it's Superman, and Superman himself is usually not a dreary character, but the storyline fit the plot, at least, even if they didn't go into too much depth.  And Batman?  Well, this is older, gruffer, and more world-weary Batman.  I was just watching the Tim Burton one the other day and looked up trivia...
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So, yeah, those scenes with Batman didn't even bother me, because it did feel like he's not in the same frame of mind he is in other media.

In the end, I just can't bring myself to hate it.  Yes, it has its problems, and I can see why a lot of people wouldn't like it, but I really don't think of it as the cinematic abomination the press has made it out to be.  I actually was able to enjoy most of it for what it was.  Wonder Woman added a touch of class, as well as a couple of other things:
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Also, I know friends of mine got a big kick out a bunch of the location filming.  The streets of Metropolis were all filmed in Detroit a few blocks from where they work, and watching Ben Affleck running to save people from all the buildings getting 'destroyed' a stone's throw from Comerica Park made them laugh.  That, and that train station that Michael Bay is always filming for the end scene is a popular "not safe to explore" attraction around here.
Speaking of which, maybe that's another reason I liked it.  I know a lot of people say Zack Snyder is a hack, but at least he has a generic understanding of the characters.  I've been dragged along to accompany friends to all four damn Transformers movies, and compared to them, to be dragged to this was a breath of fresh air.

EDIT: Just checked the box office numbers.  Worldwide, it's made $500 mil on a $250 mil budget, so by gross alone and not counting its (probably massive) advertising blitz, it broke even a week after release.  So, it won't be a bomb.  Far from it, it'll probably be decently profitable, even with a revenue drop-off.  So, chances are they won't 'reboot' anything and go ahead with Justice League as planned, but will likely 'retool' to make things more palatable going forward.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on March 31, 2016, 02:00:00 PM

I guess what I think it DID do right, in an odd sort of way, is distance itself from the Marvel feel. 
This is a good point. Although I think it has more to do with them hiring Nolan as their overseeing producer.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Kete on March 31, 2016, 02:13:08 PM

I guess what I think it DID do right, in an odd sort of way, is distance itself from the Marvel feel. 
This is a good point. Although I think it has more to do with them hiring Nolan as their overseeing producer.

I agree that it seemed different from Marvel in a very good way.  I sincerely hope they continue with their plans, while learning a few lessons from this outing.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Kete on April 01, 2016, 02:32:51 PM
I didn't realize that
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Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: SJP on April 01, 2016, 10:07:58 PM
I didn't realize that
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Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Nico on April 09, 2016, 06:41:34 AM
5/10
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: anais.butterfly on April 09, 2016, 06:53:39 PM
Superhero movies should before all else strive to be entertaining; a fun romp one delves into with whimsy and escapism, not a seat on the pew in the bully pulpit.

No they shouldn't. Movies and stories should make people think about the world they live in.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on April 09, 2016, 07:28:14 PM
Superhero movies should before all else strive to be entertaining; a fun romp one delves into with whimsy and escapism, not a seat on the pew in the bully pulpit.

No they shouldn't. Movies and stories should make people think about the world they live in.

Yeah, superhero movies aren't really a genre.  Winter Soldier is a conspiracy thriller, Dark Knight was basically a gangster/crime movie, etc, etc
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: The Lurker on April 09, 2016, 07:29:28 PM
Guardians was a comedic space opera.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: jonalame on April 10, 2016, 10:11:12 AM
Superhero movies should before all else strive to be entertaining; a fun romp one delves into with whimsy and escapism, not a seat on the pew in the bully pulpit.

No they shouldn't. Movies and stories should make people think about the world they live in.

I agree with you and I don't. I don't know whether I just didn't articulate my point clearly or if I came off as hostile because I see what you are saying and I don't argue that you are wrong. Maybe I should have said "I don't think these big ideas have been handled well by this particular movie or it's predecessors and I don't think it is the responsibility of this particular genre to focus on or even address these big ideas and maybe if it hadn't been so grim and convoluted, so tenaciously determined to make certain scenes be accurate still shots of the comic books while mirroring 'Excalibur' and had just had some fun action and some quips, like say, Marvel has done so recently and so successfully, people would have enjoyed themselves when they watched it and come away with some semblance of enjoyment."
Yeah, superhero movies aren't really a genre.  Winter Soldier is a conspiracy thriller, Dark Knight was basically a gangster/crime movie, etc, etc
Guardians was a comedic space opera.

Winter Soldier was a Nick Fury comic with Captain America pasted over Nick Fury. Guardians was Andy from Parks and Rec gets ripped and high fives a raccoon. I get what you guys are saying, but honestly it comes off as condescending. What? because I used a broad stroke term like "superhero movies" to talk about comic book movies in general as compared to BvS you rake me over the coals for semantics? Why is this the thing that we're talking about?                                   What is love?
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Pak-Man on April 10, 2016, 10:45:02 AM
If I were to overgeneralize, a bit, I'd say DC comics are very much about perfect people in a flawed world. Marvel is about flawed people in a flawed world. But the real world has grown maybe a bit cynical and it's hard for us to accept perfect people. (I dare say that's what Superman Vs. Batman is all about.) So DC is left with two options: Give the cynical world a non-cynical superhero movie (Which probably wouldn't be the disaster that movie studios seem to think it would be) or make the perfect heroes flawed, which irks people who know they're supposed to be better.

Marvel just lucked out that the type of story they specialize in is the type of story the world wants to hear at the exact same time that we started enjoying comic book movies. You don't have to change Spider-Man or Hulk or Iron Man to get the audience to buy into them.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Henry88 on April 10, 2016, 11:26:10 AM
$783,485,542    
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2015.htm
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 10, 2016, 03:46:32 PM
...So DC is left with two options: Give the cynical world a non-cynical superhero movie (Which probably wouldn't be the disaster that movie studios seem to think it would be)...

See also: Captain America
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on April 10, 2016, 06:49:40 PM

...So DC is left with two options: Give the cynical world a non-cynical superhero movie (Which probably wouldn't be the disaster that movie studios seem to think it would be)...

By 'studios' do you mean Warner Bros and maybe Fox, because Marvel seems 100% fine with it
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 10, 2016, 07:09:14 PM

...So DC is left with two options: Give the cynical world a non-cynical superhero movie (Which probably wouldn't be the disaster that movie studios seem to think it would be)...

By 'studios' do you mean Warner Bros and maybe Fox, because Marvel seems 100% fine with it

It could certainly be argued that one of the best things about Marvel is how much it's not acting like other studios - And how much the other studios are struggling to recapture what they are doing.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on April 10, 2016, 07:26:23 PM

...So DC is left with two options: Give the cynical world a non-cynical superhero movie (Which probably wouldn't be the disaster that movie studios seem to think it would be)...

By 'studios' do you mean Warner Bros and maybe Fox, because Marvel seems 100% fine with it

It could certainly be argued that one of the best things about Marvel is how much it's not acting like other studios - And how much the other studios are struggling to recapture what they are doing.

I'd say the X-Men movies aren't really cynical and Deadpool was but in a way that worked 100% with the character so it's really just F4
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on May 01, 2016, 01:07:01 PM
Finally saw it. I feel like there is a decent movie in there, hitting a lot of the notes I wanted it to. Unfortunately it was buried under a hot mess of bullshit.

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Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 03, 2016, 01:55:24 AM
https://cdn.ampproject.org/c/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/5/2/11565932/zack-snyder-justice-league
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: ScottotD on May 03, 2016, 02:26:38 AM
https://cdn.ampproject.org/c/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/5/2/11565932/zack-snyder-justice-league

I fail to understand why they remain so tied to Goyer and Snyder, isn't Nolan supposed to be overseeing this stuff? 

If you've got a plan for 6-7 movies, the first big one is panned and you think it 'under-performed' despite making money surely you look at the big picture and throw money at people like Jon Favreau, Paul Dini, Joss Whedon, Guillermo Del Toro, Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick, Shane Black, etc, etc to write, direct or consult on what you already have invested in and right the ship.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 03, 2016, 05:39:06 PM
https://cdn.ampproject.org/c/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/5/2/11565932/zack-snyder-justice-league

I fail to understand why they remain so tied to Goyer and Snyder, isn't Nolan supposed to be overseeing this stuff? 

He acts in an 'advisory capacity' from my understanding, but i don't really know how much input he has at all. Meanwhile we have seen Snyder and Goyer produce similar dreck plenty of times before plus say outright offensive, misguided and crazy things about comics in interviews constantly. I don't find the Dark Knight trilogy as great as I think most do, but at least I think the problems I have with it don't come from contempt for the source material.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: RoninFox on May 04, 2016, 04:35:47 AM
https://cdn.ampproject.org/c/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/5/2/11565932/zack-snyder-justice-league

I fail to understand why they remain so tied to Goyer and Snyder, isn't Nolan supposed to be overseeing this stuff? 

He acts in an 'advisory capacity' from my understanding, but i don't really know how much input he has at all. Meanwhile we have seen Snyder and Goyer produce similar dreck plenty of times before plus say outright offensive, misguided and crazy things about comics in interviews constantly. I don't find the Dark Knight trilogy as great as I think most do, but at least I think the problems I have with it don't come from contempt for the source material.

I can tell, if nothing else, Nolan loved The Long Halloween, he borrowed enough from it.

Makes sense I'd like his movies more than a Snyder Batman, just by how much I enjoyed and relished Long Halloween compared to how I slogged through reading DKR.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on May 04, 2016, 08:59:18 AM

Makes sense I'd like his movies more than a Snyder Batman, just by how much I enjoyed and relished Long Halloween compared to how I slogged through reading DKR.
I've never read TLH but presumably it has Batman behaving like we normally are used to Batman, not killing, etc. Whereas TDKR was all about Batman behaving OUT OF CHARACTER, which was meaningful because of the history of the character. Something that doesn't apply when it's his first appearance in this particular series of movies.
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 05, 2016, 03:25:43 AM
https://twitter.com/BrettRedacted/status/727210004365885442
Title: Re: Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Post by: Darth Geek on January 24, 2018, 09:10:46 PM
Instead of bonding over the fact their mothers have the same name, it would have made more sense if this Batman and Superman had bonded over the fact they both kill people.
"You kill people!"
"You kill people!"
"...you want to be friends?"
"YEAH!"
Cut to Batman and Superman skipping, holding hands, 'Happy Together' playing, as they massacre an orphanage.