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Title: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 02:34:36 AM
14 lists.  over 170 entries.  The adventure begins!
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You wake up in a dungeon.  The following members of the party are present:

Johnny Unusual - Dungeon Master and all NPCs
Raven - Corvus (Lawful Evil Drow Wizard)
Cole Stratton - Coal Stratum (Neutral Good Dwarven Bard)
Monty - Montgomery Cliff (Neutral Good Dwarven Fighter)
Mrs. Dick Courier - Richardella Deliverance (Chaotic Neutral Human Rogue)
CJones - Crump (Chaotic Evil Half-Orc Barbarian)
Tripe Hound Redux - Dogmeat (Lawful Evil Half-Orc Bard)
Anais.Butterfly - Anais Chaotic Good Elvish Sorceress (Chaotic Good Elvish Sorceress)
Pak-Man - Cecil (Lawful Good Human Paladin)
Compound - Spearmint Orangepip (Neutral Good Gnomish Alchemist)
Charles Hussein Castle - Sir Charlemagne von Rook (Lawful Good Human Cleric)
Darth Geek - Blackeyes (Neutral Evil Drow Wizard)
Tejava Joe - Tejava (Chaotic Neutral Human Rogue)
Starman! - Bono (Neutral Human Bard)

You wake up and despite the fact that some of you are good and evil, you need to work together to get out of this dungeon.  You see one exit and decide to use it.  Just as you decide to lead, Crump goes insane and starts attacking his fellow team members.  At first it seems to be due to his chaotic evil, but Cecil notices that he's been possessed by an evil ghost...
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 03:37:28 AM
It's show time.
(http://bretdorman.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/beetlejuice_movie_poster_mondo_rich_kelly_01.jpg)
Number 50 : Beetlejuice
(24 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #11 by CJones)

 Plot:
Adam and Barbara are a 12th level normal couple...who happen to be dead. They have given their precious time to haunt their house and make it their own, but unfortunately a living family is moving in, and not quietly. Adam and Barbara try to scare them out, but end up becoming a source of status for the new family. They call upon Beetlejuice, a chaotic evil bio-exorcist to help, but Beetlejuice has more in mind than just helping.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Sandworms - Just one more reason not to go to Saturn

Various Haunting Spells - Beetlejuice has mastered them all!

Trivia Notes:
People considered for the role of Beetlejuice: Sam Kinison, Dudley Moore and Tim Burton's first choice, Sammy Davis Jr.

Moment of Wonder
After a botched haunting by our heroes, Beetlejuice shows he's the spirit with the... merit?  Wait, let me get back to you on that.  Anyway, here's the scene.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Lcf227lWEek
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 05:14:47 AM
Crump is overcome and held down.  Luckily, Bono has a purification healing spell to fix Crump.  Bono tries to use his song to communicate with the outside, hoping to find someone will take them home...
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 05:16:41 AM
Be good.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3592/3320233946_e78a271a72.jpg)
Number 49 : E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial
(25 points on 1 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Starman!)
Plot:
A meek and alienated little boy finds a stranded extraterrestrial. He has to find the courage to defy the authorities to help the alien return to its home planet.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

E.T. - The alien who is magic.  I guess.  Why not.


Trivia Notes:
Steven Spielberg stated in an interview that E.T. was a plant-like creature, and neither male or female.

Moment of Wonder
Just when it seems there is no escape!

https://www.youtube.com/v/_c9Y39wT0Ww
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: goflyblind on June 17, 2013, 05:21:54 AM
posters ain't workin'. :(
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 05:23:13 AM
They're working for me.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 05:41:11 AM
Bono, sadly gets no sign from the outside.  With nothing else to do, our heroes open the door... only to discover a 50 foot drop off in the next room.  In fact, it isn't a room at all but a huge cavern.  And at the end of the 50 foot drop is a huge pool of water.  On the other side it looks like there is an exit across the subterranean lake.  Unfortunately, there is a huge monstrous shadow in the lake.  Too big to be anything... natural.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 05:43:06 AM
I was partial to tragedy in my youth. That was before experience taught me that life was tragical enough without my having to write about it.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5T9oA9KWayA/Trx-dcSpNpI/AAAAAAAAjQ8/zUix7ozyR8s/s800/clashtitans%2Bposter.jpg)
Number 48 : Clash of the Titans
(25 points on 3 of 14 lists. Top Vote #14 by Darth Geek and Tripe Hound Redux)

 Plot:
Perseus is a lawful good fighter and the favored son of the god Zeus, but he has unwittingly ticked off the sea goddess Thetis. Just to make things worse, Perseus falls in love with the lovely Princess Andromeda, who used to be engaged to Thetis's son. Soon Perseus is off on one quest after another, with Zeus helping, Thetis hindering, and lots of innocent bystanders getting stabbed, drowned, and squished.
Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Where to begin
The Kraken - Famous for both it's incredible size and for being released.

Bubo - The Orko or Snarf of the film

The Pegasus - Horses.  Now with wings.

Trivia Notes:
According to Ray Harryhausen's official website, a sequel to this movie entitled "Force of the Trojans" was pitched to MGM in 1984 but further development of the picture never eventuated.

Moment of Wonder
That is a big monster.

https://www.youtube.com/v/BQpgIJUh9D4
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Tripe on June 17, 2013, 05:50:03 AM
Ok, that poster I can see. :)
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 06:07:01 AM
Yeah, they were working for me earlier, but when I posted #48 they stopped working for me.  Freaky.  Do they work for you now?  I'm trying to intentionally pick posters that aren't usually seen (or in the case of Beetlejuice, a badass fan poster) for stuff that has appeared a lot on other lists.  I like visual variety.

Anyway, back to the campaign.

Coal Stratum, Dogmeat and Blackeyes use their magic to overwhelm the Kraken in the pool of water while the others swim to safety.

They keep going until they find themselves at a shrine to the Gods.  The shrine seems to emit the most beautiful and perfect form of music.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 06:08:47 AM
From where I stand you are home free, the planets align so rare
There's promise in the air, and I'm guiding you.

(http://www.moviemem.com/images/pictures/store/X/XANADU.jpg)
Number 47 : Xanadu
(26 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Tejeva Joe)

 Plot:
The Greek muses incarnate themselves on Earth to inspire men to achieve. One of them, incarnated as a girl named Kira, encounters an artist named Sonny Malone. With the help of Danny McGuire, a man Kira had inspired forty years earlier, Sonny builds a huge disco roller rink.  Probably based on a story by Euripedes

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Disco - The darkest of magics.

Trivia Notes:
According to the two-page booklet included with the DVD, the film was originally conceived as a low-budget roller-disco movie. The imminent release of Skatetown, U.S.A. and Roller Boogie (films that actually exist and not imagined in a sketch show) prompted many changes, like blending 1940s and 1980s styles.

Moment of Wonder
Wait, this is what Kublai Kahn and Charles Foster Kane were so enamoured with?

https://www.youtube.com/v/7m1UWSD-FaA
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 06:30:11 AM
As the music is being enjoyed by the party, they find themselves taken from behind by...
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 06:31:58 AM
So, if your air-conditioner goes on the fritz, or your washing machine blows up, or your video recorder conks out, before you call the repairman, turn on all the lights. Check all the closets and cupboards. Look under all the beds. 'Cause you never can tell.
(http://www.andyerupts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Gremlins-poster-1984.jpg)
Number 46 : Gremlins
(27 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #12 by Mrs. Dick Courier)
   
 Plot:
When 1st level banker Billy Peltzer is given a small creature called a Mogwai by his father, he is unaware of the carnage he is about to encounter. There is a huge responsibility in looking after Gizmo as there are certain rules which must be followed. The Mogwai must be kept away from bright light, never made wet and never, ever be fed after midnight. When an accident occurs involving Gizmo and water, it begins a series of events that unleash strange terrible monsters called (wait for it) Gremlins.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Mogwai and Gremlins - There's nothing more fairy tale than a monster with rules, which is ironic considering how much they love to break them.  Don't get the mogwai wet (wait, does this mean they don't urinate?  Come to think of it, I don't see any junk on them), don't feed them after midnight (so when is after after midnight.  Is 5 AM OK?) and keep them out of bright light (eh, I got no issues with that one).

Trivia Notes:
Little to no actual dialogue for the Gremlins and Mogwai exists in the script in itself. In addition to several instances of on stage rewrites changing or adding to much of the script, the voiceovers were all mostly ad libs, repeating snippets of just performed dialogue or in reaction to other sound effects or environment. To this end, Howie Mandelrecorded Gizmo's lines phonetically for foreign dubs of the movie, where localized dialogue and in jokes helped make the picture successful with audiences world wide. 

Moment of Wonder
Let's go when Billy's mom first sees them.  And kicks their asses.

https://www.youtube.com/v/u1QIbENq66w
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 06:41:43 AM
The party is overwhelmed by the Gremlins and all seem lost until Richardella Deliverance and Anais Chaotic Good Elvish Sorceress defeat them by casting Daylight.  After wiping the gremlins slime off their tunics, they continue onto the passage only to come across a ferocious monster man.  The party is ready to defend themselves, but Bono has other ideas.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 06:43:19 AM
As the years passed, he fell into despair and lost all hope. For who could ever learn to love a beast?
(http://www.impawards.com/1991/posters/beauty_and_the_beast_ver1.jpg)
Number 45 (tie) : Beauty and the Beast
(27 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #11 by Starman!)
   
 Plot:
Belle is a girl who is dissatisfied with life in a small provincial French town, constantly trying to fend off the misplaced "affections" of conceited Gaston. The Beast is a prince who was placed under a spell because he could not love. A wrong turn taken by Maurice, Belle's father, causes the two to meet.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Beast - The hero who changes because of a loving girl.  See, girls?  Stay with your awful beastly boyfriends.  You can CHANGE them!

The Enchanted Rose - A representation of the Beast's curse.  When all of the petals fall off, the beast can never return to normal.  Worth it to have Jerry Orbach as a singing candelabra by your side forever.

Trivia Notes:
Angela Lansbury, the voice of Mrs. Potts, thought that another character would be better suited to sing the ballad "Beauty and the Beast". The director asked her to make at least one recording to have for a back up if nothing else worked, and that one recording ended up in the film.

Moment of Wonder
There's probably another cool scene I'm forgetting, but I'll go with the iconic scene.

https://www.youtube.com/v/9qtTPTxvoPA
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 06:53:42 AM
Bono attempts to communicate with the monster and tell it all it really needs to be human is to love and be loved.  The monster eats him.  He is dead.  Luckily, Richardella had a magic spell in her back pocket to save his life... but one with a great cost.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 06:54:48 AM
I can't believe this. I can't even die right.
(http://www.joblo.com/posters/images/full/1984-all-of-me-poster1.jpg)
Number 45 (tie) : All of Me
(27 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #11 by Mrs Dick Courier)

 Plot:
Didn't you just read the-- OK, OK, here it is again!

(http://www.joblo.com/posters/images/full/1984-all-of-me-poster1.jpg)

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Guys Got a Woman in his Body - Stupid guru.

Trivia Notes:
Steve Martin and Victoria Tennant met on the set of this movie. They were married in 1986.

Moment of Wonder
Not so much wonder as physical comedy

https://www.youtube.com/v/nE58ZtIpNSo
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 07:06:25 AM
The party defeats the monster (including Bono's soul in the body of Richardella) and is about to move on when Tejava picks up a magic book that the creature had in it's clutches.  Screams of anguish and pain of those who have previous experienced and read the book echo from within...
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 07:08:52 AM
Am I gonna die, because I wrote this?
(http://www.movieposterdb.com/posters/07_09/2006/0452637/l_0452637_cfc310a7.jpg)
Number 44 : Lady in the Water
(28 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #4 by Tejeva Joe)

 Plot:
Apartment building superintendent Cleveland Heep rescues what he thinks is a young woman from the pool he maintains. When he discovers that she is actually a character from a bedtime story who is trying to make the journey back to her home, he works with his tenants to protect his new friend from the creatures that are determined to keep her in our world.
Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Story Person - A person from a story named Story.  That doesn't really work.  It's like calling someone from Medicine Hat is born with the name Yukon.  Though that did happen once.

(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4519749777753680&pid=15.1&H=160&W=144)

Other Monsters - I'll be honest, I haven't seen the movie.

Trivia Notes:
M. Night Shyamalan was in talks with Philip Seymour Hoffman for an unspecified role. Hoffman, despite the fact that he "loved the script, liked the role" had scheduling conflicts.   That might have just been him being polite.

Moment of Wonder

https://www.youtube.com/v/KjhAKyiRL0k
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 07:13:35 AM
Sir Rook and Richardella read the book and discover that it contains many of the secrets of the dungeon and how they can free themselves.  While everyone sets up camp and sleeps for the night, the two pour over the books and learn it's secrets.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 07:14:52 AM
Yer a wizard, Harry.
(http://www.tribute.ca/harrypotter/images/HP1/harry_potter_and_the_sorcerers_stone_poster5.jpg)
Number 43: Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
(29 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #2 by Mrs Dick Courier)
   
 Plot:
This is the tale of Harry Potter, an ordinary 11-year-old boy serving as a sort of slave for his aunt and uncle who learns that he is actually a wizard and has been invited to attend the Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and Wizardry. Harry is snatched away from his mundane existence by Hagrid, the groundskeeper for Hogwarts, and quickly thrown into a world completely foreign to both him and the viewer. Famous for an incident that happened at his birth, Harry makes friends easily at his new school. He soon finds, however, that the wizarding world is far more dangerous for him than he would have imagined, and he quickly learns that not all wizards are ones to be trusted.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

A Number of Them - You want to learn them?  Go to school.

The Nimbus 2000 - As used by Harry Potter and wizards suffering from mid-life crises.

The Sorting Hat - Decides which house students should go, depending on weather they are noble (Griffendor), evil (Slytherin), lame (Hufflepuff) or other (Ravenclaw).  Maybe they shouldn't be sticking all the evil students together.

Trivia Notes:
The Wizard's chess-set Harry and Ron were playing, the red queen is from the Lewis Chessmen, the most important of all chess pieces dating from the 12th Century. They were found in 1831 on a beach in Uig, Lewis. 78 pieces were recovered in all, and are now in the care of the National Museum of Scotland and in the British Museum in London.

Moment of Wonder
This is tough since it's all supposed to exude whimsy and magic and excitement.  I'm just going to go with the Christmas cause nothing beats Christmas.

https://www.youtube.com/v/w8vxuZ3bjrA
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 07:20:31 AM
Happiness can be found even in the darkest of times, when one only remembers to turn on the light.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/tr/f/fd/Harry_Potter_and_the_Prisoner_of_Azkaban_poster.jpg)
Number 42: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
(31 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #8 by Charles Hussein Castle)

 Plot:
Harry Potter is having a tough time with his relatives (yet again). He runs away after using magic to inflate Uncle Vernon's sister Marge who was being offensive towards Harry's parents. Initially scared for using magic outside the school, he is pleasantly surprised that he won't be penalized after all. However, he soon learns that a dangerous criminal and Voldemort's trusted aide Sirius Black has escaped from the Azkaban prison and wants to kill Harry to avenge the Dark Lord. To worsen the conditions for Harry, vile creatures called Dementors are appointed to guard the school gates and inexplicably happen to have the most horrible effect on him. Little does Harry know that by the end of this year, many holes in his past (whatever he knows of it) will be filled up and he will have a clearer vision of what the future has in store...

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Even More of Them - I'm gonna be honest, I only saw the first one.

Trivia Notes:
The symbols under Sirius Black's picture on the Wanted Poster translate as "more or less human."

Moment of Wonder
How'd you like to take a class where they teach you to turn your greatest fears into jokes.
https://www.youtube.com/v/doxxfXqpKYA
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 07:25:55 AM
Meanwhile, the rest of the party are overwhelmed by bad dreams.  This is unpleasant for most, except for Blackeye, who seems really into it.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 07:30:17 AM
Just because I cannot see it doesn't mean I can't believe it!
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx00ai8MF51qe2w1uo1_500.png)
Number 41: The Nightmare Before Christmas
(32 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #3 by Darth Geek)

 Plot:
Jack Skellington, the pumpkin king of Halloween Town, is bored with doing the same thing every year for Halloween. One day he stumbles into Christmas Town, and is so taken with the idea of Christmas that he tries to get the resident bats, ghouls, and goblins of Halloween town to help him put on Christmas instead of Halloween -- but alas, they can't get it quite right.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Residents of Halloween Town - The whole city is monsters, but sort of like the Munsters, so they aren't too scary and stuff.

Enchanted Holiday Trees - I wonder if there are trees for bank holidays?

Trivia Notes:
In 2001, Walt Disney Pictures began to consider producing a sequel, but rather than using stop motion, Disney wanted to use computer animation. Tim Burton convinced Disney to drop the idea. "I was always very protective of [Nightmare] not to do sequels or things of that kind," Burton explained. "You know, 'Jack visits Thanksgiving world' or other kinds of things just because I felt the movie had a purity to it and the people that like it," Burton said.

Moment of Wonder
The whole thing looks great, but this is a pretty iconic scene, even if it's a bit small in scale.
https://www.youtube.com/v/0JbKMKtI6Ug
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 07:33:14 AM
When the party wakes up the next morning, they discover themselves surrounded by slimy monsters.  What will happen to them!  Until next time.  And don't hog all them cheetos Darth Geek.  I just didn't want to eat them until I didn't have to worry about getting cheese dust on my monster manual.
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Post by: Darth Geek on June 17, 2013, 09:25:20 AM
Mmphth?
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Post by: Pak-Man on June 17, 2013, 10:30:09 AM
Pak-Man - Cecil (Lawful Good Human Paladin)

I approve! (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121109212640/finalfantasy/images/e/e4/PaladinCecil-SNES-FieldSprite.gif)
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Post by: tejava joe on June 17, 2013, 12:37:01 PM
Xanadu cracks the top 50 yeahhh!!

This is entertaining.  Keep em coming. 
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Post by: Compound on June 17, 2013, 06:25:19 PM
I'm a frigging gnome? grrr. Lousy pre-gens....
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Post by: Starman! on June 17, 2013, 08:16:16 PM
Well, if I lost my soul, then I guess "the goal is soul". :D

*Starman is the only one who laughs at his stupid U2 reference/joke*

And how the eff did I forget the Harry Potter movies?!
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Post by: Mrs. Dick Courier on June 17, 2013, 08:54:46 PM
forgetting Harry Potter?  For shame....
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Post by: Darth Geek on June 17, 2013, 08:58:44 PM
I'm wondering how I forgot Beetlejuice! It's one of my favorite movies! Blackeyes is sad...

And while Gremlins is one of my favorite movies, I don't really consider it "fantasy". Despite the fairytale nature of it.
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Post by: Raven on June 17, 2013, 09:10:06 PM
So far 3 from my list. 

Beauty and the Beast- Best Disney animated movie ever.

Harry Potter 1- Couldn't pick one movie and didn't want to list all 8 so I went with the first one as my only Harry Potter entry.

Lady In the Water- I actually like all of the M. Night movies up until the Happening.  This is also my wife's favorite of his.  Considering that the story for this one started out as a bedtime story M. Night told his kids I thought it fit this category very well. 

*Clash of the Titans- This one makes me sad.  I'd never seen it before and my wife and I were about a half an hour in when I got the phone call informing us that my father had passed away.  Never went back to finish it, and not sure if I ever will.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 17, 2013, 09:10:49 PM
It'll certainly rank high if we ever do a monster movies list (good for Halloween, but there are a lot of Halloween lists I want to do).
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Post by: Raven on June 17, 2013, 09:17:03 PM
Gremlins is a Christmas movie.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Mrs. Dick Courier on June 17, 2013, 09:43:55 PM
my favorite Christmas movie is Die Hard

Guess that says a lot about me huh?
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Raven on June 17, 2013, 11:17:52 PM
my favorite Christmas movie is Die Hard

Guess that says a lot about me huh?

Mine too.  Gremlin's is a close 2nd.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 01:39:32 AM
When we last left our party, they woke up surrounded by hideous black slimey monsters.  Left with no exit and outnumbered, our heroes and villains have no choice but to fight.  Dogmeat barrels into mob of monsters headfirst with ferocity equal, or perhaps greater, than them.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 01:44:42 AM
I hate those comic books. They never get the eyes right.
(http://www.impawards.com/2004/posters/hellboy_ver3.jpg)
Number 40: Hellboy
(32 points on 3 of 14 lists. Top Vote #9 by Tripe Hound Redux)
   
 Plot:
In the final days of World War II, the Nazis attempt to use black magic to aid their dying cause. The Allies raid the camp where the ceremony is taking place, but not before a demon - Hellboy - has already been conjured. Joining the Allied forces, Hellboy eventually grows to adulthood, serving the cause of good rather than evil.  Take that, evil!


Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Hellboy – I love a hero who is a monster.  AND he’s got his own build in artifact in…

The Right hand of Doom – Best mystical artifact name ever.  Unfortunately for Hellboy, it ain’t ever coming off.

Samael – A hideous other dimensional monster that causes trouble for our heroes.  Sort of Lovecraftian, which means it probably also hates black people (how ironic).

Trivia Notes:
The studio wanted Vin Diesel to play Hellboy. This is coming from someone who doesn’t dislike Vin Diesel: fuck you “studio.”

When Professor Bruttenholm is showing Agent Myers through the BPRD when he first arrives, a greyish male humanoid statue with a large ring on its groin is momentarily seen. This is actually Roger the Homunculus, a supporting character introduced late in the Hellboy comics (in the story arc "Almost Colossus"), who often goes through periods of dormancy; when active, he is a special BPRD agent much like Abe. Roger did not make it into the movie script as a character, but made it into the film as a piece of set decoration instead. Another comic-book prop reference in the same scene is the large set of metal boots sitting in one of the glass display cases. These belonged to a supernatural creature called "The Iron Shoes" from the short story of the same name.

Moment of Wonder
MONSTER FIGHT!
http://www.youtube.com/v/Z_uysUyZodo
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 04:16:44 AM
Dogmeat almost singlehandedly defeats the monsters, but finds himself succumbing to the beasts' poisons, which render him incapacitated and in overwhelming, mind-destroying pain.  Bono uses a sleep song to render him into unconsciousness, but even this proves impossible due to the strange properties of the poison.  So instead, Bono creates an illusion spell that puts his mind into a place of his greatest dream: ruthlessly beating and murdering everyone in the party.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 04:17:49 AM
Sorry, I'm a bit of a stickler for paperwork. Where would we be if we didn't follow the correct procedures?
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5185/brazilgermanmovieposter.jpg)
Number 39: Brazil   
(33 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #4 by Starman!)

 Plot:
Sam Lowry is a harried technocrat in a futuristic society that is needlessly convoluted and inefficient. He dreams of a life where he can fly away from technology and overpowering bureaucracy, and spend eternity with the woman of his dreams. While trying to rectify the wrongful arrest of one Harry Buttle, Lowry meets the woman he is always chasing in his dreams, Jill Layton. Meanwhile, the bureaucracy has fingered him responsible for a rash of terrorist bombings, and both Sam and Jill's lives are put in danger.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The imagination – It may be the last safe haven we have.

Trivia Notes:
Early title for Brazil was "1984 and a 1/2", an ode to Federico Fellini and 8gwa 1/2, but the film Nineteen Eighty-Four was released and the idea was scrapped, as there would have been legal trouble with the George Orwell estate.

This was River Phoenix's favorite movie, and he had been filming Dark Blood withJonathan Pryce. As a gift, Pryce arranged for Phoenix to meet Terry Gilliam, his hero. The meeting was set to happen the day he died outside the Viper Room. Phoenix never met him.

Moment of Wonder
We can all fly in our dreams
http://www.youtube.com/v/ogdn4GoMfoQ
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 04:30:36 AM
But as the dream continued, not even Bono's song could prevent nightmares and madness from sinking into his mind.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 04:42:21 AM
Hey, slow pokes... Guess what? There's no tomorrow... Know why, baby? 'Cause it'll never get here.
(http://images.moviepostershop.com/twin-peaks-fire-walk-with-me-movie-poster-1992-1020207740.jpg)
Number 38: Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
(33 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #2 by Starman!)

 Plot:
Essentially a prequel to David Lynch and Mark Frost's earlier TV series "Twin Peaks". The first half-hour or so concerns the investigation by FBI Agent Chet Desmond (Chris Isaak) and his partner Sam Stanley (Kiefer Sutherland) into the murder of night-shift waitress Teresa Banks in the small Washington state town of Deer Meadow. When Desmond finds a mysterious clue to the murder, he inexplicably disappears. The film then cuts to one year later in the nearby town of Twin Peaks and follows the events during the last week in the life of Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee) a troubled teenage girl with two boyfriends; the hot-tempered rebel Bobby Briggs (Dana Ashbrook) and quiet biker James Hurley (James Marshall), her drug addiction, and her relationship with her difficult (and possible schizophrenic) father Leland (Ray Wise).

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Log Lady’s Log – It’s big, it’s heavy, it’s wood.  It’s better than bad, it’s clairvoyant.

The Man from Another Place – “That gum you like is going to come back in style.”  Because the first thing I think of when I think of style is gum.  Unless it’s spirit gum and it’s part of a costume.  OHMYGOD I FINALLY CRACKED THE SERIES’ CODE!

Trivia Notes:
The convenience store sequence refers back to one of the first episodes of the television series, when Philip Gerard, under the influence of Mike, tells Cooper that the Black Lodge spirits lived above a convenience store when in the human world. According to Michael J. Anderson (Man From Another Place) the scene originally ran for twenty minutes; only about one minute actually appears in the film.

The movie originally ended showing Dale sitting in the Black Lodge, comforting Laura after she entered. It then cut to the last scene of the TV series, with Harry breaking down the door of the bathroom and finding Dale smashing his head into the mirror and laughing. Dale tries to act like nothing happened, but is dragged off to bed. This was to confirm that it was Dale's doppelganger that escaped the Black Lodge.

Moment of Wonder
Not to say that they are as cool as cucumbers, but everyone in the FBI is handling reality going coocoo bananas pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/v/7iJUs-4z2lY
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 04:58:21 AM
Unfortunately, Dogmeat is completely dead... Also, I totally forgot Bono was in someone's body so we're going to reroll some stuff guys.  He has different stats now.

Dogmeat is dead.  He looks around and finds himself among his friends, but unmoored (wait, is that a thing.  What word am I looking for?) from life itself.  He sees the world of the living slipping away.  He sees a dark cloaked figure standing at the end of a long hallway.  The rest of the part sees Dogmeat's spirit slowly dissipating.  Dogmeat has a never says die attitude, however, even when dead.  He knows there is one way to come back The only chance he has left is to outsmart... Death itself!
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 05:10:49 AM
This is not like I expected at all! We got totally lied to by our album covers, man.
(http://www.keanureeves.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/billted2.jpg)
Number 37: Bill & Ted’s Bogus Journey
(35 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #7 by Tejava Joe)

 Plot:
The world of our distant future is a veritable utopia, thanks to the lyrics of two simple-minded 20th Century (and first level) bards, Bill S. Preston, Esq. and Ted "Theodore" Logan. However, a would-be conqueror threatens to throw history off-track by sending "most non-non-heinous" evil robot Bill and Teds back to kill their good counterparts. Finding themselves dead, the boys must outwit the Grim Reaper and traverse Heaven and Hell to return to the land of the living, rescue their "babes" and have a "most triumphant" concert at the all-important Battle of the Bands.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Hell – I’m glad that Bill is following the rules of double negatives in describing that place, but I don’t think it increases said heinousness.

The Grim Reaper – So are Bill and Ted just really good at board games or has no one ever tried to escape death?

Station – STATION!

Trivia Notes:
The  smoker in the Builder's Emporium to whom Death says, "I'll see you soon" is director Peter Hewitt. In the cast credits The Smoker is credited as "Max Magenta".

Bill and Ted playing a game with Death to win back their lives is a reference to the classic Ingmar Bergman film, Det sjunde inseglet (aka The Seventh Seal), in which a knight plays chess with Death for his life.  But, of course, you knew that.

Moment of Wonder
I admit, when I was a kid watching this in the theatre, I was worried for them.  Still, it was funny, even without knowing the reference.

http://www.youtube.com/v/wNzqf8a3mbc
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 05:19:13 AM
Using Tejava's advice, Dogmeat outsmarts the grim reaper... with his fists!  Why has no one ever thought to do that.  But unfortunately death has a laugh.  Not the last one, but a laugh nonetheless.  Rather than being being brought back in his own body, he is returned in another form...
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Post by: Raven on June 18, 2013, 06:19:50 AM
Brazil should have been higher.  I had it on my list but removed it to move it up a couple spots, and then forgot to put it back in.  Stupid on my part, and I even threw in a couple I only kinda liked to finish off my list.  D'oh.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 07:16:56 AM
Boo-yah! Welcome to Kuzcotopia, my ultimate summer getaway, complete with water slide.
(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/9/9/7/7/7/4/webimg/602020455_tp.jpg)
Number 36: The Emperor’s New Groove
(35 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #5 by anais.butterfly)

 Plot:
The vain and cocky Emperor Kuzco is a very busy man. Besides maintaining his "groove", and firing his suspicious administrator, Yzma; he's also planning to build a new waterpark just for himself for his birthday. However, this means destroying one of the villages in his kingdom. Meanwhile, Yzma is hatching a plan to get revenge and usurp the throne. But, in a botched assassination courtesy of Yzma's right-hand man, Kronk, Kuzco is magically transformed into a llama. Now, Kuzco finds himself the property of Pacha, a lowly llama herder whose home is ground zero for the water park. Upon discovering the llama's true self, Pacha offers to help resolve the Emperor's problem and regain his throne, only if he promises to move his water park.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Animal potions – Not to be confused with poisons.  Someone really needs to label these.


Trivia Notes:
Pacha's name means "earth" in the Incan Language.

In the dinner scene where Kronk lights a pair of candles the holder is of a small figure. This was a character from the early versions of the film. He was an advisor to the emperor that was later written out.


Moment of Wonder
Oh, it’s all pretty funny.  Here’s a fun scene.

http://www.youtube.com/v/HfIxMNm7roU
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 07:17:40 AM
I'll finish this off much later in the day.  I need to hit the sack.
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Post by: Starman! on June 18, 2013, 07:35:39 AM
I was going to put Hellboy on my list but decided to stay away from comic book movies.

Glad to see Fire Walk With Me made the list. ;D

And yes, Brazil should be higher.
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Post by: Tripe on June 18, 2013, 08:24:47 AM
Personally I like the second Hell Boy movie more (but then, I love Fairies) but I have the first because it's slightly better in terms of story and structure and things like that. :)
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Post by: anais.butterfly on June 18, 2013, 09:02:01 AM
Everything about The Emperor's New Grove is pure hilarity. It was also the first time I learned who Patrick Warburton is :)


If I ever meet John Goodman again, I will be hard pressed to figure out which movie I want to gush over him about: Big Lewbowski or Emperor's New Groove. (Sigh), I am so out of my element!
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 03:16:39 PM
For me, it would definitely be Barton Fink.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 04:05:16 PM
Dogmeat has returned as a great bear.  It would seem that there's not much of a difference except that Dogmeat can no longer wield an axe.  You press on further into the cavernous... cavern.
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Post by: Mrs. Dick Courier on June 18, 2013, 05:11:27 PM
I can't believe you forgot Bono's soul is still in my body.

How you doing in there Bono?
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 05:39:38 PM
 
Fate be changed, look inside. Mend the bond torn by pride.
(http://www.pixarplace.com/wp-content/uploads/Brave-Merida-Poster.jpeg)
Number 35: Brave
(35 points on 3 of 14 lists. Top Vote #13 by Johnny Unusual)

 Plot:
Merida, a Scottish princess whose interests include archery and horse riding, is told by her mother that her interests are not what a princess should be doing and that she has to marry. But Merida chooses to defy her mother. And when she and her mother have an argument Merida rides off and meets a witch. She asks for a spell to change her mother. And the witch gives her a cake which she gives to her mother but the change is not what she was hoping for. So she tries to find a way to fix it.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Enchanted Cake – Dude, you do NOT do that to your mom! (Less dirty sounding if you’ve seen the film)

Trivia Notes:
The Pizza Planet truck, a fixture of nearly every full-length Pixar film can be spotted in the Witch's Hut.

The chess set in Merida's room is the famous Lewis Chessmen from the 12th century, unearthed in Scotland in 1831.

Moment of Wonder
Not magical, but a pretty great scene.

http://www.youtube.com/v/2EIFWjLYNWA
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 05:41:12 PM
By the way, I need to spoil one small thing right now.  No one voted for Ladyhawke.  That just surprised me is all.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 07:15:15 PM
Our party wanders through the party for some time.  It seems rather empty and quiet and this is when Coal Stratum decides to pen an epic song saga about Dogmeat's battle with death in the bowels and rectum of the earth and his braveness in the face of the afterlife.
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Post by: Raven on June 18, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
I haven't watched Brave yet but we did pick up a copy so it's sitting on the shelf.  Definately want to give that a watch. 
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 07:35:02 PM
 
...Fear is like a giant fog. It sits on your brain and blocks everything - real feelings, true happiness, real joy. They can't get through that fog. But you lift it, and buddy, you're in for the ride of your life.
(http://www.iproceed.com/jd/uploaded_images/meryl-streep-770614.jpg)
Number 34: Defending Your Life
(36 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #4 by Cole Stratton)

 Plot:
Yuppie Daniel Miller is killed in a car accident and goes to Judgment City, a waiting room for the afterlife. During the day, he must prove in a courtroom-style process that he successfully overcame his fears (a hard task, given the pitiful life we are shown); at night, he falls in love with Julia, the only other young person in town. Nights are a time of hedonistic pleasure, since you can (for instance) eat all you want without getting fat.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Judgement City – This is easily my favourite all time depiction of the afterlife.  I had a much larger write up on it, but then my word program crashed and lost the file!

Trivia Notes:
Shirley MacLaine is the MC in the Past Lives Pavillion.

In a scene set in a comedy club, a terrible comedian performs a roast-style comedy act. This comedian asks Daniel (writer/director lead Albert Brooks) how Daniel died. Daniel says "on stage, like you." Daniel later jokes that he can't leave before the end of the act because the guy on stage is his father. "No, I'm kidding. That would be so sad for me." This entire interaction is a dark and elaborate in-joke. Albert Brooks' father, Harry Parke, actually was a comedian who died on stage at the Friar's Club, just after he finished his roast style comedy routine. 

Moment of Wonder
A very unique and insightful imagining of the afterlife.

http://www.youtube.com/v/BF897aNyxSs
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 08:30:09 PM
Unforunately, the song woke up a large number of giant snakes sleeping just out of site.  Being territorial, they start attacking and trying to devour the party.  Once more, Dogmeat saves the day, less from nobility and more from battlelust.  The party runs before they are overrun with Dogmeat seemingly drowning in snakes.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 08:30:59 PM
The secret of steel has always carried with it a mystery. You must learn its riddle, Conan.
(http://www.motionpictureart.com/store/files/images/PostersLarge/ConanTheBarbarianMoviePosterGerman.jpg)
Number 33: Conan the Barbarian
(37 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #5 by Tripe Hound Redux)

 Plot:   
A village is attacked by the evil ruler of the Snake Cult, Thulsa Doom and his evil warriors, when Thulsa Doom and his warriors kills his parents, a young boy named Conan is enslaved. Years later, Conan grows up and becomes a mighty warrior and is trained as a fighter. After years as a slave and as a gladiator, Conan is set free. Conan sets out on a quest as he vows to avenge his parents and solve the riddle of steel. Joined by a archer named Subotai, a beautiful thief who falls in love with Conan, Valeria and a Chinese wizard, Conan and his companions sets out to rescue Princess Yasmina, daughter of King Osric, from the Snake Cult, and get his revenge on Thulsa Doom and avenge his parents.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Thulsa Doom’s Snake Magic – LOOK OUT, CONAN!  HE’S A SNAKE, NOW! (What I will also say if Leno moves to TBS)

Trivia Notes:
Arnold Schwarzenegger had to tone down his workout, as his arm/chest muscles were so big that he couldn't wield a sword properly.

The runes on Conan's father's sword are translated as; "Suffer no guilt, ye who wield this in the name of Crom."

Moment of Wonder
THE GLORY OF BATTLE!

http://www.youtube.com/v/RVFpy5UwsAU
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 09:08:47 PM
Leaving Dogmeat behind, Sir von Rook notices a small cottage in the middle of the cavern.  Our large party decides to take shelter in there, but find that the 12 of them can barely fit in.  Even worse, there is a 13th: the old witch who lives there, who just got out of the bath.  She quickly begins hitting you with her broom and tries to get you the hell out.

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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 09:20:26 PM
 
Once you do something, you never forget. Even if you can't remember.
(http://www.filmonpaper.com/site/media/2011/03/SpiritedAway_B2-1-500x693.jpg)
Number 32: Spirited Away
(38 points on 3 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Charles Hussein Castle)

 Plot:
Chihiro and her parents are moving to a small Japanese town in the countryside, much to Chihiro's dismay. On the way to their new home, Chihiro's father makes a wrong turn and drives through a lonely land road with dead end at the entrance to a tunnel. Her parents decide to stop the car and explore the area. They cross the tunnel and find an abandoned cultural theme park on the other side with its own town inside. When her parents see a restaurant with great smelling food but no staff, they decide to eat and pay later; however Chihiro refuses to eat and decides to explore the theme park a bit more. She meets a boy named Haku that tells her that her parents and herself are in danger and they must leave the place. She runs to the restaurant and finds that her parents have turned into pigs. Further, the theme park is actually a town inhabited by otherworldly figures such as demons, spirits, and evil gods. At the center of the town is a bathhouse where these creatures go to cleanse themselves. The evil witch Yubaba, who is intent on keeping all trespassers, in this case Chihiro, as captive workers, owns the bathhouse. Now Chihiro must rely on Haku to save her parents and return to their world.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

No-Face – He cleans up real nice.  Unfortunately the cleaning part is a bit of a pain.

Trivia Notes:
The song over the closing credits ("Itsumo Nando Demo"/"Always With Me") was intended for a Hayao Miyazaki film that was never made. Miyazaki played it relentlessly while making this film and decided to include it in the end credits.

First anime film to be nominated for (and win) an Academy Award. It also has the longest runtime of any other film nominated or winning in that category (125 minutes).

Moment of Wonder
I really can’t find a scene with the water train.  Does anyone know where to find it?  It’s not the most phantasmagorical scene, but it is absolutely beautiful.
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Post by: tejava joe on June 18, 2013, 09:22:23 PM
I put on my +4 Str +4 Stam leather belt.  ANHHH Eh-ohhhhhh.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 11:31:50 PM
Just as the witch is summoning magical skeletons to finish you off, just as Dogmeat bursts through the door, flailing and covered in snakes.  At this point, he looks like a SINGLE BEAST!  Tired of having been useless for much of the adventure, Spearmint Orange pip finally does something.  AND DOES HE.  Working his way over to the witches potion ingredients, he first concocts a seemingly simple smoke bomb.

"KEEP YOUR MOUTH CLOSED!"  He yells, and throws it to the ground.  The sudden smoke fills the cabin.  Suddenly the skeletons erode.  If it was safe to open his mouth, he would say that he developed a calcium weakening gas.  Anyone foolish enough to keep their mouths open now suffer from tooth decay.

But now the witch is upset, and there's still a snake/bear monstrosity to deal with.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 11:32:50 PM
For the moment, let them enjoy a calm sea, a fresh breeze and each other. The girl is pretty and I am always sentimental. But for Jason, there are other adventures. I have not finished with Jason. Let us continue the game another day.
(http://knoji.com/images/user/jasonargonautsonesheet.jpg)
Number 31: Jason and the Argonauts
(38 points on 5 of 14 lists. Top Vote #11 by Compound)

 Plot:   
Jason has been prophesied to take the throne of Thessaly. When he saves Pelias from drowning, but does not recognize him as the man who had earlier killed his father, Pelias tells Jason to travel to Colchis to find the Golden Fleece. Jason follows his advice and assembles a sailing crew of the finest men in Greece, including Hercules. They are under the protection of Hera, queen of the gods. Their voyage is replete with battles against harpies, a giant bronze Talos, a hydra, and an animated skeleton army, all brought to life by the special effects wizardry of Ray Harryhausen.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Hydra – Too bad we never get to see him do his regenerating trick.

Hydra’s Teeth – If I had these, I’d just keep planting them.  I love the sound they make.

Talos – A personal favourite, but I’m not sure why there’s a giant statue walking around filled with reddish goo.

Trivia Notes:
The previous Ray Harryhausen films were generally shown as part of a double feature in "B" theatres. Columbia was able to book this film as a single feature in many "A" theatres in the United States.

Ray Harryhausen regarded this as his best film.

Moment of Wonder
And that’s why you don’t steal stuff from the gods!

http://www.youtube.com/v/LxA3wFYxUB8
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 18, 2013, 11:38:20 PM
After the party hacks off the snakes of their now toothless bear friend (he was too busy roaring to heed the "mouth closed advice"), they turn their attention to the witch.  The witch surrenders and ays she was merely trying to defend her seemingly poorly located bed and breakfast ("more people stop in than you'd think."  She offers you a place to stay for the night and heal your wounds, if you would just pay for the damage.


That's it for the night and, Charles Hussein Castle, you've got to chip in for pizza.  You always say you are going to have a little and then you have, like, five slices.  Come on, guy.

Well, this is sort of getting spaced out a bit more strangely than I intended.  Tomorrow, there might be only 5 entries, but I'll try to make it more.
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Post by: ColeStratton on June 19, 2013, 12:46:09 AM
By the way, I need to spoil one small thing right now.  No one voted for Ladyhawke.  That just surprised me is all.

I thought about it, and then I remembered that score and it magically disappeared from my list...
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Post by: Pak-Man on June 19, 2013, 05:13:53 AM
Aww, man. I completely forgot Miyazaki when I was making my list.
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Post by: Tripe on June 19, 2013, 05:52:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/RVFpy5UwsAU
Greatest, purest and most honest prayer ever written. I'm not kidding.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 19, 2013, 07:25:25 AM
Yeah, sorry, expect a bit of a break, between stuff.  Sorries.
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Post by: Darth Geek on June 19, 2013, 09:27:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/RVFpy5UwsAU
Greatest, purest and most honest prayer ever written. I'm not kidding.
I like the idea that Crom was about to help Conan in the middle of the prayer, and then changed his mind.
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Post by: Tripe on June 19, 2013, 02:22:37 PM
I'm picturing Athena with slouchy posture and a sulky pouty expression on her face.

...


I'll be back in a mo....
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 19, 2013, 06:12:16 PM
The next morning, the party asks the witch to help with it's Bono problem (Dogmeat is actually quite happy being a bear).  This leads to an argument among the crew whether this should be solved with alchemy or magic.  (and if you think they are the same, don't tell an alchemist that).
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 19, 2013, 06:23:18 PM
Come algebra, anatomy, astronomy, biology, chemistry, geology, geometry, mathematics, meteorology, mineralology, oceanography, paleontology, physics, psychology, sociology, trigonometry, and zoology!
(http://i2.listal.com/image/4043083/600full-the-flight-of-dragons-poster.jpg)
Number 30: The Flight of Dragons
(42 points on 2 of 14 lists. Top Vote #2 by Tripe Hound Redux)

 Plot:   
Faced with the inevitable replacement of magic by science, the magician Carolinus summons his 3 brothers (all magicians) to pitch a wild plan. The creation of a realm of magic to exist separate and apart from the world of man, where all things magical can be protected. 2 of Carolinus' brothers buy into the plan and offer their assistance. However one brother Ommadon rebels refusing to join this retirement village. Ommadon has another plan in mind, he wants to take the fight directly to man hoping to use their science against them. Prevented from direct interference, the 3 brothers arrange a quest to defeat Ommadon. A quest championed by a local knight Sir Orin Neville Smythe, the dragons Gorbash and Smrgol, and a yet unknown leader who must be a man of science. Calling out to antiquity, Carolinus locates Peter Dickenson, a modern day man of science and manages to convince him to join and lead the quest. However, a spell gone awry creates additional challenges for Peter, huge ones for that matter. What ensues is a wondrous adventure full of interesting characters, challenges, and perils that will cumulate in a face-off between Peter and Ommadon.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Dragons – I assume.  Look, I never even heard of it until now.

Trivia Notes:
The last film project of Victor Buono.

The actors who provided voices for Antiquity and Solarius the Blue Wizard are uncredited. Paul Frees voiced the omnipotent Antiquity, but there is apparently no record anywhere of who voiced Solarius.

Loosely based on the novel 'The Dragon and the George' by Gordon R. Dickson.

Moment of Wonder
You tell me.  Here’s the intro, though

https://www.youtube.com/v/PwuhdhYL8UY
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 19, 2013, 06:29:00 PM
After the argument is settled, it is agreed a mix of both is to be used.  Using a sleep potion and a soul entering spell, the crew decides to enter the soul of Richardella and Bono and separate them before they become permanently entangled.  To do this, they must convert a regular door into a door that enters dreams.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 19, 2013, 06:31:41 PM
We are Sex Bob-Omb and we are here to make you think about death and get sad and stuff!
(http://blog.reelloop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/scott_pilgrim_poster.jpg)
Number 29: Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World
(43 points on 3 of 14 lists. Top Vote #2 by Compound)

 Plot:   
Scott Pilgrim plays in a band which aspires to success. He dates Knives Chau, a high-school girl five years younger, and he hasn't recovered from being dumped by his former girlfriend, now a success with her own band. When Scott falls for Ramona Flowers, he has trouble breaking up with Knives and tries to romance Ramona. As if juggling two women wasn't enough, Ramona comes with baggage: seven ex-lovers, with each of whom Scott must do battle to the death in order to win Ramona.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Power of Love - +3 Guts +2 Heart +4 Smarts +4 Will

The Power of Self Respect - +5 Guts +6 Heart +7 Smart +8 Balls

Coins – Sweet!

Trivia Notes:
The stunt doubles of Lucas Lee are the actual stunt doubles for actor Chris Evans. Only a quarter of the doubles resemble Evans.

Casa Loma, the setting for the scene where Lucas Lee is filming his movie, is a popular filming location in Toronto. It is perhaps most notable to comic book fans as the location used for Professor Xavier's School in X-Men and its sequels. (And as fans know, Pilgrim is an X-Men fan.  Not the Xavier’s School patch on his jacket.)
The original concept for "Scott Pilgrim" is based around 2 premises. First, what if, after a life of playing fighting games, someone confronted you and you actually had the ability to fight like a "Street Fighter" character. And second, Bryan Lee O'Malley's was dating his future wife, Hope Larson, when he learned she had dated three different guys named Matthew. This led to the idea of a League of Matthews. This idea developed into the League of Evil Exes and Matthew Patel is the only Evil Ex to keep the name Matthew.

Moment of Wonder
I wanted the part where Patel first shows up, but the conclusion of the fight is pretty great too.  I just like the first because as stylized as it is before, this is when reality REALLY goes out the window.

https://www.youtube.com/v/mtQFz0oPvEU
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Post by: Tripe on June 19, 2013, 06:45:30 PM
Hey, I just discover what we bears do in the woods.


Weirdly it's say Mass.
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Post by: Darth Geek on June 19, 2013, 06:53:57 PM
Never heard of Flight of The Dragons before. And the video isn't working. But the artstyle on that poster makes the movie look like pounded shit, so I think I'll pass.
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Post by: Starman! on June 20, 2013, 04:49:34 PM
Looking for to save my, save my soul...
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Post by: CJones on June 20, 2013, 05:15:16 PM
 :highfive: for Flight of Dragons Tripe ;D I love the way the movie works in reasonable scientific explanations for things usually considered fantastical.
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Post by: Tripe on June 20, 2013, 05:29:37 PM
Yes it was one of my favourite movies growing up and I still like it, I watch it every couple of years.

Good stuff and the dragons look a lot better in the film than on the poster.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 20, 2013, 05:36:57 PM
Sorry for the delay.  It seems I kept getting called over to do stuff right after I do something relaxing, right before I get down to it.  On the plus side, I am way ahead on the write ups.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 20, 2013, 05:41:58 PM
Diving into the split souls, the mindscape takes the form of two spires, slowing tangling into each other and melding. The team considers splitting into 2, but the dungeon master warns them that he's busy and as fun as it would be, he's probably lose track of who was where, so they head into Richardella's soul first.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 20, 2013, 06:32:20 PM
 
The battle for Middle Earth is about to begin. All our hopes now lie with two little hobbits, somewhere in the wilderness.
(http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/6/MPW-3492)
Number 28: Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
(43 points on 4 of 14 lists. Top Vote #5 by Compound)

 Plot:   
Sauron's forces increase. His allies grow. The Ringwraiths return in an even more frightening form. Saruman's army of Uruk Hai is ready to launch an assault against Aragorn and the people of Rohan. Yet, the Fellowship is broken and Boromir is dead. For the little hope that is left, Frodo and Sam march on into Mordor, unprotected. A number of new allies join with Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas, Pippin and Merry. And they must defend Rohan and attack Isengard. Yet, while all this is going on, Sauron's troops mass toward the City of Gondor, for the War of the Ring is about to begin.  And now I’ve lossed my troll pewter figures and I’m gonna need them for the battle.  Otherwise, I’m going to need to use these HeroClix.
   
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Ents – HOW’D YOU LIKE IT IF SOMEONE PICKED YOUR APPLES? (Deleted dialogue aimed at Saruman)

Gollum – If you are using “Precious” in the last 9 years, I was staring daggers at you in spirit.

Trivia Notes:
During one of the takes for the scene in which Gollum (Andy Serkis) pulls Frodo (Elijah Wood) and Sam (Sean Astin) back before they run towards the Black Gate, Serkis accidentally pulled Astin's wig off his head. Astin immediately stormed off the set in considerable pain to get the wig re-attached. Serkis thought Astin was angry with him and became angry in response. Later that day they both made up and Astin later remarked that "it was embarrassing" that the incident would be discussed on the DVD release.

Brad Dourif, who played Grima Wormtongue, has a goddaughter named Arwen.
Many of Treebeard's lines come from the book, but were spoken by Tom Bombadil in the first volume.  This becomes confusing when he says "Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow! Bright Blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow!"

Moment of Wonder
I always liked the Ent battle, but let’s go with the Battle of Helm’s Deep!

http://www.youtube.com/v/Z6XicBBN1l4
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 20, 2013, 07:55:15 PM
First the party dives into Richardella's heart.  Most of the party tries to forcefully disentangle it, but nothing seems to be working.  Coal Stratum, knowing better, declares "You should try to force to do anything!  You should make it want to let go."  He than proceeds to sing a sad break-up song and the heart begins to let go.  Finally, the heart is so broken, it has no energy to do anything.

OK, onto the brain.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 20, 2013, 07:55:46 PM
A philosopher once asked, "Are we human because we gaze at the stars or do we gaze at the stars because we are human?" Pointless really. Do the stars gaze back? Now that's a question.
(http://words4souls.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/stardust.jpg)
Number 27: Stardust
(43 points on 4 of 14 lists. Top Vote #2 by Cole Stratton)

 Plot:   
The passage from this world to the fantasy kingdom of Stormhold is through a breach in a wall beside an English village. In the 1800s, a boy becomes a man when he ventures through the breech in pursuit of a fallen star, to prove his love for the village beauty. The star is no lump of rock, it's a maiden, Yvaine. Tristan, the youth, is not the only one looking for her: three witches, led by Lamia, want her heart to make them young; and, the sons of the dead king of Stormhold want her because she holds a ruby that will give one of them title to the throne. Assisting Tristan are his mother, the victim of a spell, and a transvestite pirate of the skies. Will Tristan win his true love?
   
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The Star’s Heart – Eat and you live forever or something (sorry, I haven’t seen this one either.  I loved the novella though).

Trivia Notes:
Terry Gilliam was offered the job of directing the movie, but having just finished The Brothers Grimm, wanted a break from fairy tales. That is why the production of this movie wasn’t a constantly imploding disaster.

In the mural painted on the outside wall of The Slaughtered Prince pub, the victorious prince standing over the prince that he has slaughtered has Peter O'Toole's face. The pub name The Slaughtered Prince is a sly reference to the pub The Slaughtered Lamb in An American Werewolf in London.

Michelle Pfeiffer was director Matthew Vaughn's only choice for the role of the witch queen, having been a die-hard fan since first seeing the actress in Grease 2.

Moment of Wonder
Pretty cool sword fight!  And it looks like the princes play a more substantial role here (if memory serves, in the novella they just sort of accidentally die Wile E. Coyote style while hunting for the star and it barely affects the narrative until the end.

http://www.youtube.com/v/dkdrbg4EwGA
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Post by: Mrs. Dick Courier on June 20, 2013, 08:08:51 PM
I love Stardust, it just doesn't get enough respect.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 20, 2013, 08:26:47 PM
Well, about a third of the lists voted for it, so that's something.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 20, 2013, 10:05:41 PM
The party enters Richardella's head, only to find a maze of confusion, perception problems and troublesome stray thoughts.  Everyone is confused, but the Paladin trusts in his god to lead him through the tangled, knotted reality.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 20, 2013, 10:06:15 PM
 
It would be so nice if something would make sense for a change.
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff216/heavenhell90/alice_in_wonderland_poster.jpg)
Number 26: Alice in Wonderland
(44 points on 3 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Pak Man)

 Plot:   
On a golden afternoon, young Alice follows a White Rabbit, who disappears down a nearby rabbit hole. Quickly following him, she tumbles into the burrow - and enters the merry, topsy-turvy world of Wonderland! Memorable songs and whimsical escapades highlight Alice's journey, which culminates in a madcap encounter with the Queen of Hearts - and her army of playing cards!
   
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Eat Me! – No, no, the cake!

The White Rabbit – Ya’ll ever notice how white rabbits are always late, while black rabbit are all like “on time?”
   
Trivia Notes:
One of the jurors is José Carioco (from Saludos Amigos and The Three Caballeros).

The Doorknob was the only character in the film that did not appear in Lewis Carroll's books.

Every time the White Rabbit's watch is seen, it is always 12:25. WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?!

Moment of Wonder
When she said goodbye to Dinah… did she think she was going to die?

http://www.youtube.com/v/pHte24GGHD4
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Post by: Raven on June 20, 2013, 11:15:12 PM
Alice in Wonderland was on my list.  Glad somebody had it as their top pick.  Nice choice Pakky.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 21, 2013, 04:56:15 AM
Fed up with dealing with the mental mucky muck, Corvus recklessly casts a spell to forcibly separate the two minds.  Luckily, the spell worked well with no definite damage, but with the mental landscape being split in twain, the ground is disappearing from under their feet.  Having to choose between between the 2 minds, they decide to quickly dive into Richardella's mind, but find themselves trapped in there.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 21, 2013, 04:57:07 AM
I have been to the dark side. I have seen a world that no man should see.
(http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/21/A70-10866)
Number 25: Being John Malkovich
(49 points on 4 of 14 lists. Top Vote #3 by Raven)

 Plot:   
Craig, a puppeteer, takes a filing job in a low-ceilinged office in Manhattan. Although married to the slightly askew Lotte, he hits on a colleague, the sexually frank Maxine. She's bored but snaps awake when he finds a portal leading inside John Malkovich: for 15 minutes you see, hear, and feel whatever JM is doing, then you fall out by the New Jersey Turnpike. Maxine makes it commercial, selling trips for $200; also, she's more interested in Lotte than in Craig, but only when Lotte is inside JM. JM finds out what's going on and tries to stop it, but Craig sees the portal as his road to Maxine and to success as a puppeteer. Meanwhile, Lotte discovers others interested in the portal.
   
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The John Malkovich Door – Personally, I want to find the Bill Murray door.  Or the Paul Williams door!  Oh, oh, this is a fun game: who would you like to spend 15 minutes in?
   
Trivia Notes:
Craig discovers that LesterCorp is on the 7 1/2 floor of the Mertin Flemmer building by seeing a "7 1/2" on a building directory in the lobby - at the 7 1/2-minute point of the film.

Several characters in the movie remember John Malkovich as having played a jewel thief, even though, as he correctly points out, he never did. However, Malkovich did eventually play a jewel thief in Johnny English.

The name of John Cusack's character is a combined reference to Edward Gordon Craig and Bruce Schwartz. Schwartz is an accomplished American puppeteer while Craig was a turn-of-the-century theater artist who suggested that actors should be viewed as no more important than marionettes.

Moment of Wonder
Well, I really do like the scene where Craig uses John like a human puppet but you know damn well which scene you are about to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Q6Fuxkinhug
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 21, 2013, 05:02:13 AM
With the chance of escape seeming slimmer, the party finds their spell wearing off.  They need to get out of this head before they are converted from flesh made spirit into flesh made spirit made into stray thoughts in a party member's head.  Luckily Crump has an idea: smash everything!  Crump beats on the inside of Richardella's mind and, despite all plausibility, creates a hole that leads out into the real world.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 21, 2013, 05:02:54 AM
 
When you're born in the gutter you end up in the port.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxzc2gZgd91qhhxf6o1_500.jpg)
Number 24: The City of Lost Children
(50 points on 4 of 14 lists. Top Vote #3 by CJones)

 Plot:   
The evil Krank and his henchmen have been made by a mad scientist. Krank's problem is that he is tormented by his inability to dream. He finds it necessary to try to steal the dreams of children, but since they fear him, he only gets their nightmares. When a circus strongman's little brother is kidnapped, the strongman (One) tracks him down and, with the help of some other eccentric characters, tries to put an end to the evil reign of Krank and his Cyclops army.  (THAT. SOUNDS. AWESOME!
   
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Haven’t seen it, but I think there’s a dream machine or something, right?
   
Trivia Notes:
Opening film at the 1995 Cannes Film Festival.

To achieve the slightly skewed color scheme of the movie, the actors were made up in white face and the color palette corrected until they were flesh-toned.

Ron Perlman doesn't speak French and was the only American on set. But he learned all of his lines, and delivered them without error. In commentaries and interviews, however, he insists his French was bad.

Moment of Wonder
Well, that took a turn, didn’t it?

http://www.youtube.com/v/84oOfzTmc5g
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Post by: Raven on June 21, 2013, 06:04:06 AM
I watch Being John Malkovich at least once a year.  Kaufman is crazy and I'm not sure if I like this one or Adaptation better.  I only saw City of Lost Children once when it first came out and I didn't remember enough of it to place it on my list.  I'll have to rewatch that one soon.   
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 21, 2013, 06:51:21 AM
With all of this soul business sorted out, the party finally decides to find a way out of the cavern.  With Bono's original body left behind, Bono must now use a skeleton as a temporary body until a better one comes along. 
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 21, 2013, 07:55:57 AM
 
The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do and what a man can't do.
(http://www.filmonpaper.com/site/media/2011/03/PiratesoftheCaribbean_onesheet_advance-1-500x723.jpg)
Number 23: The Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
(50 points on 5 of 14 lists. Top Vote #6 by Compound)

 Plot:   
This swash-buckling tale follows the quest of Captain Jack Sparrow, a savvy pirate, and Will Turner, a resourceful blacksmith, as they search for Elizabeth Swann. Elizabeth, the daughter of the governor and the love of Will's life, has been kidnapped by the feared Captain Barbossa. Little do they know, but the fierce and clever Barbossa has been cursed. He, along with his large crew, are under an ancient curse, doomed for eternity to neither live, nor die. That is, unless a blood sacrifice is made.

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The cursed pirates – “Better start believin’ in ghost stories.  Yer in a ZOMBIE STORY.  Wait, let me try that again.”
   
Trivia Notes:
The figurehead (a sculpted ornament on the bow of ancient vessels) of the ship carrying Elizabeth and Governor Swann at the beginning of the movie is actually the coat of arms of the United Kingdom and it is the figurehead of an actual ship of the line, the HMS Victory, which participated in the Trafalgar Battle against combined french and Spanish navies under the command of Lord Horatio Nelson in 1805. HMS Victory is now preserved at Portsmouth, England, as a museum and is the oldest commissioned warship in the world. She still has a captain and crew, although is no longer seaworthy, having been in dry dock since 1922. The crest holds the French motto of the British monarchs "Dieu et mon droit" (God and my right) and the Old Latin motto of the Order of the Garter "Honi soit qui mal y pense" (Evil be unto him that thinks evil).

Many of the crew got seasick while filming.

When Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio, the screenwriters, originally pitched the movie to the Disney executives in the early '90s, it was rejected.

Moment of Wonder
That’s a pretty great entrance.

http://www.youtube.com/v/LkWQvzrv6gI
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Post by: tejava joe on June 21, 2013, 09:23:33 AM
musical interlude

https://www.youtube.com/v/dIM_8d188kA
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 22, 2013, 03:32:51 AM
Finally with everything more or less settled, they ventured forth.  An hour of walking later, they see something up ahead.  The cavern stops with a big wall with one entrance.  A sign notes that this is a maze and also a labyrinth.  That's right: IT'S BOTH!  Crump surprisingly gives some good advice: If we keep to the right we should get there eventually.  Despite being a battle loving barbarian, it seems he also loves trivia.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 22, 2013, 03:36:50 AM
 
He would wait for her, until he drew his last breath, until the world stopped turning...
(http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/pan~mignola.jpg)
Number 22: Pan’s Labyrinth
(53 points on 3 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Cjones)

 Plot:   
In 1944 fascist Spain, a girl, fascinated with fairy-tales, is sent along with her pregnant mother to live with her new stepfather, a ruthless captain of the Spanish army. During the night, she meets a fairy who takes her to an old faun in the center of the labyrinth. He tells her she's a princess, but must prove her royalty by surviving three gruesome tasks. If she fails, she will never prove herself to be the the true princess and will never see her real father, the king, again.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Faun – He’s not called Pan.  It’s poetic license.

The Pale Man – I think calling him “the Pale Man” is sorting of ignoring his more noticeable attributes.
   
Trivia Notes:
Guillermo del Toro is famous for compiling books full of notes and drawings about his ideas before turning them into films, something he regards as essential to the process. He left years worth of notes for this film in the back of a cab, and when he discovered them missing, he thought it was the end of the project. However, the cab driver found them and, realizing their importance, tracked him down and returned them at great personal difficulty and expense. Del Toro was convinced that this was a blessing and it made him ever more determined to complete the film.

Ivana Baquero was too old to play the lead part originally written for an eight- or nine-year-old, but Guillermo del Toro was so impressed that he revised it to accommodate the 11-year-old actress.

It has been said that, for the fairy eating scene, Doug Jones had to bite condoms filled with fake blood.

Moment of Wonder
You saw those paintings and you STILL ATE THE FRUIT?!?  Also I want to know his back story about his home:  did he commission the paintings or did people just make warning paintings without bothering the Pale Man.

http://www.youtube.com/v/OSICJJq86ic
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Post by: Raven on June 22, 2013, 05:58:52 AM
I want that poster.  Looks awesome.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 22, 2013, 06:10:08 AM
Mike Mignola does good work!
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 22, 2013, 06:46:11 AM
The strategy of keeping left seems to be going well so far.  Eventually, they come to a big opening with a beautiful oasis.  To be safe, Spearmint Orangepip tests the water.  He finds that it is not only safe to drink, but will heal all wounds.  The party also observes many strange animals drinking from the oasis, who come to drink then immediately return to the maze.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 22, 2013, 06:50:52 AM
 
Life is suffering. It is hard. The world is cursed. But still, you find reasons to keep living
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YnbUNm4a9KU/TytjjWMRt5I/AAAAAAAAHbw/_o8QknPnAK4/s1600/mononoke-poster-japan.jpg)
Number 21: Princess Mononoke
(56 points on 3 of 14 lists. Top Vote #3 by Compound)

 Plot:   
While protecting his village from rampaging boar-god/demon, a confident young warrior, Ashitaka, is stricken by a deadly curse. To save his life, he must journey to the forests of the west. Once there, he's embroiled in a fierce campaign that humans were waging on the forest. The ambitious Lady Eboshi and her loyal clan use their guns against the gods of the forest and a brave young woman, Princess Mononoke, who was raised by a wolf-god. Ashitaka sees the good in both sides and tries to stem the flood of blood. This is met be animosity by both sides as they each see him as supporting the enemy.

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The Mononoke – The spirits of the forest in the form of giant animals.  If this is a global phenomon, I want to believe there are giant penguins out there.

The Forest God – “WHAT’S IN THE BOOOOOOX?!”
   
Trivia Notes:
Mononoke-hime replaced E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial as the biggest grossing film of all time in Japan until Titanic.

Around 550 colors were used in this film

This is the last major animated motion picture to be filmed on plastic animation cels.

Moment of Wonder
Sorry, I can’t find a really good video clip that isn’t tainted by being a fan made music video or some crap.  But one of the most amazing scene is when the forest god goes berserk.
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Post by: CJones on June 22, 2013, 06:09:38 PM
Who Hoo, I had Princess Mononoke at #4. When I saw this in the theater, there were about 5 other people there, including a mother with two children around 10. When the, shall we say, dismemberment started, she was clearly upset. They didn't leave though. Still, movies have ratings for a reason people. BTW, the title always bugged me. It should be Mononoke Princess, or perhaps Spirit Princess. Princess Mononoke makes it sound like that's her name.

And of course Pan's Labyrinth was my #1. Very few movies have left such an impact on me after just the one viewing. The movie does a brilliant job of obfuscating how much of it is real, and how much is just in the girl's head. You want it to be real, because otherwise Ophelia dies. But if it is real, why doesn't the captain see the Faun. OTOH, how could she have gotten out of her room, except by means of the chalk door. Which we very noticeably never actually see her use. Usually, I hate movies that don't have a definite "correct" interpretation, but I couldn't stand the thought of Ophelia dieing instead of getting the mystical life she thought she had, even though that's what fit with reality as we know it. I don't want to know that there is a "true" series of events, or what it is.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 22, 2013, 07:37:05 PM
Before moving on, the gang decides to camp out in the oasis and share stories of their adventures ranging from comedy to tragedy, from epic to fables.  There is embellishment of course.  There always is.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 22, 2013, 07:37:38 PM
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.
(http://www.posters.ws/images/938936/adventures_of_baron_munchausen.jpg)
Number 20: The Adventures of Baron Munchausen
(58 points on 4 of 14 lists. Top Vote #7 by Charles Hussein Castle)

 Plot:   
The fantastic tale of an 18th century aristocrat, his talented henchmen and a little girl in their efforts to save a town from defeat by the Turks. Being swallowed by a giant sea-monster, a trip to the moon, a dance with Venus and an escape from the Grim Reaper are only some of the improbable adventures.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The King of the Moon – Hey, do your gay hairdresser character… ON THE MOON!

Lying – It’s as magical as the truth.  No, wait, that was a lie.
   
Trivia Notes:
This film became notorious for its many production problems and cost overruns. Making matters worse was the change in regimes at Columbia Pictures. The new regime, not wanting any production from the old regime to "shine", simply buried the film during its U.S. release. There were many markets, especially the smaller ones, in the U.S. where this movie was not booked at all.

According to director Terry Gilliam, Columbia Pictures opened the film in the United States with only 48 prints. He also claims that only 117 prints were in distribution, a mere fraction of the number of prints normally ordered by a major distributor for even the most modest release.

Sting's cameo came about because he happened to be Terry Gilliam's neighbor at the time.

After Sean Connery withdrew from the film, Gene Wilder and Walter Matthau were considered for King of the Moon.

Moment of Wonder

https://www.youtube.com/v/GH3WNYCuRks
THE END
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Post by: CJones on June 22, 2013, 08:34:24 PM
For me, the most memorable thing about The Adventures of Baron Munchausen was the strikingly gorgeous portrayal of Venus by a then 17 year old Uma Thurman. The original cut even showed one of her nipples exposed, which because she was technically still a minor, they had to get permission from her parents to use. I think that bit is missing from the currently available version, but I definitely remember seeing it.

There was a very similar storybook I read in a dentist's office back when I was a child that, for the life of me I can't remember the name of. I just remember that it had a strongman, a runner and I think a sharpshooter. Oh, and it was the first time I ever saw the word "faggot" used to refer to stacks of lumber. Oh,and some mention of Saltpeter being confused with St Peter. If anyone can think of what this is, I'd be obliged. 
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 22, 2013, 09:01:23 PM
Miyazaki is someone I really need to revisit.  When I was younger, I watched Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away and while the animation impressed me greatly, I wasn't really invested.  Rewatched Princess Mononoke for this list and it is really good.  The way it approaches the relationship between the mononoke and the humans is how Avatar should have been: complex.  You can sympathize with both sides and both sides have good honourable people who are being manipulated (in an unintentional way) by a far away force that is indifferent and ignorant about what is really going on and what the cost is.  It isn't "technology bad", it's "hatred is bad" and the hero needs both sides to overcome it.  And it isn't easy as teaching that "love is great".  It is a simple story of complicated emotions and needs.

Can't wait to watch all of his other stuff (though I have always been a big fan of Castle of Cogliastro.  Must remember it if we ever do top 50 Adventure movies.  Also, Jean-Pierre Jeunet, I know you don't usually do adaptions of big franchise type movies except for that Alien Resurrection disaster, but PLEASE do a live-action Lupin the 3rd movie!)
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Post by: Starman! on June 22, 2013, 09:38:57 PM
I still haven't seen Pan's Labyrinth or Baron Munchausen. I'll have to change that.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 12:55:59 AM
The heroes continue on the next day.  The walls of the maze get tighter and tighter.  Soon the gang can only walk in a line through the halls.

After a while, they come across some kind of giant diamond in a room and a troll.  The room is very small and can fit only a couple people.  the trollhas an evil smirk.

"It would be easy for me to destroy you.  After all, it would be easy you to over power me in the open, but hear I can easily fight you one by one.  I'll let you go by if you give me all your money or if you beat me in a game."  The others in the party would be quick to give them money, since they have so little as it is, but in the lead is Crump and he wants to take up this challenge, particularly since he knows the games of trolls are wonderfully violent and bloody.

"The game is this: we will take turns smashing our heads against this diamond until one man falls or the diamond breaks."  Crump knows that the troll has the advantage since trolls are famous for their regenerative abilities and can heal from such simple rules.  Crump has an idea though and passes something along to the bards, whom he let's into the room.

Crump strikes his head first, then the troll.  Crump is bleeding heavily and the troll does too, though his wounds where already healing.  Meanwhile, Coal eyes the diamond very carefully.

Crump asks "Can I hit the diamond anywhere?"  "Certainly" says the troll "but you must do it with your head."  "Oh, I'll use my head all right." says Crump.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 12:57:14 AM
 
End, begin, all the same. Big change. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad.
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Number 19: The The Dark Crystal
(58 points on 5 of 14 lists. Top Vote #5 by CJones)

 Plot:   
Another planet, another time. 1000 years ago the mysterious Dark Crystal was damaged by one of the Urskeks and an age of chaos has began! The evil race of grotesque birdlike lizards the Skeksis, gnomish dragons who rule their fantastic planet with an iron claw. Meanwhile the orphan Jen, raised in solitude by a race of the peace-loving wizards called the Mystics, embarks on a quest to find the missing shard of the Dark Crystal which gives the Skesis their power and restore the balance of the universe.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Skeksis – GAH! KILL THEM WITH FIRE!

FIZZGIG – Well, this looks cute.  Hey, what is it –GAH! DO WE HAVE ANY FIRE LEFT?

The Dark Crystal – The other trial by stone.

Trivia Notes:
The movie's conceptual artist Brian Froud and puppet designer Wendy Midener met on the set of the movie and were later married.

The Garthim costumes were so heavy that the performers had to be hung up on a rack every five minutes to rest whilst still in costume.

In the late Seventies, Jim Henson and his daughter Cheryl Henson found themselves stuck at an airport hotel when Kennedy Airport was struck by a New York snowstorm. They spent the time working out the details of the world of The Dark Crystal on numerous sheets of hotel note paper. These notes became the inspiration for The Dark Crystal's screenplay. Work on the film didn't begin in earnest until 1979, after the completion of The Muppet Movie which was shot in Los Angeles. The Dark Crystal however, was shot back to back with The Great Muppet Caper in England.

Although there are nine of them, the Skeksis were originally based on the seven deadly sins.
Moment of Wonder

I really wanted the scene of Jen questing to Augra, since that has some cool visuals, but this will have to do.  I didn’t want to pick the usual Skeksis stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/v/-DBkjvXHgj4

Also, I found a weird series of videos that seems to interpret the movie as a message about the constitution and patriots or something.  It was paranoid and creepy.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 04:34:58 AM
After Coal assesses the diamond, he whispers to Crump, who gives the bards a thumbs up.  As Crump hits his head on the diamond once more, the bards sing at an insanely high frequency.  The diamond cracks and breaks, leaving the troll speechless.

Coal states "we should be thankful there was an accessible flaw in the diamond, otherwise we would have been stuck.

"Naw" said Crump "I would have just strangles the troll.

As they continue onward they find there is more space.  Soon they find more and more rats as they venture further.  Coal notes that though it is not obvious, they are actually moving further downwards.  suddenly the rats begin running ahead of them.  They can hear something rushing toward them from behind.  Water?  Acid?  It doesn't matter!  RUN!
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 04:36:17 AM
We can no longer live as rats. We know too much.
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Number 18: The Secret of NIMH
(62 points on 4 of 14 lists. Top Vote #2 by CJones)

 Plot:   
A field mouse named Mrs. Brisby must move her family to a safe location before the farmer plows the field where they live, but her invalid son Timmy cannot go outside due to his pneumonia. She enlists the aid of some highly intelligent, escaped lab rats that have built a subterranean society inside a rose bush near the farmer's garden. The rats, led by the wise Nicodemus, decide to help her physically move her house to repay a debt of gratitude to her late husband, who made possible the rats' escape from the laboratory. But things become complicated when some of the rats decide to use the situation to kill Nicodemus and make it appear to be accidental.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Mystical rats – Why couldn’t they have used their magic to make the crow a less annoying character.

Trivia Notes:
At the time of release was the largest non-Disney animated film.

Final role of Elizabeth Hartman.

The small dragonfly Mr. Ages chases away near the beginning of the film is Evinrude from Disney's The Rescuers, one of the last films Don Bluth worked on at Disney before leaving the company.

Gary Goldman stated that they originally hoped the film would receive a "PG" rating, due to several intense scenes and the maturity of the subject matter. They were actually surprised when the ratings board gave it "G", and feel that the rating might have hurt the film's commercial appeal to older audiences.


Moment of Wonder

https://www.youtube.com/v/8Q6WCdQm2Jo
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 05:44:16 AM
As fast as they ran they felt an enormous heat behind them, even if the rushing liquid was a far ways off.  Blackeyes, in the back turned around to see a river of lava rushing towards them.  Blackeyes was able to slow it down with a cold spell but that seemed to by them only a couple minutes.  They kept running until they hit a wall.  It seems there was a flaw to keep left: it assumed that it would always be safe to turn back.  It seemed that soon the lava would bear down on them and melt them into oblivion.

It seemed that this would be the end.  Cecil prayed towards his god... and looking up, discovered a hole in the ceiling.  There was no ladder or rope.  But there was an up.  Blackeyes cast a float spell on the group and everyone flew up 30 meters into a new room.

But while they had escaped the fire, they were soon to find themselves into the frying pan.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 05:46:12 AM
Well, I'm back.
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Number 17: Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
(63 points on 4 of 14 lists. Top Vote #5 by Darth Geek and Pak Man)

 Plot:   
The War of the Ring reaches its climax as the dark lord Sauron sets his sights on Minas Tirith, the capital of Gondor. The members of the fellowship in Rohan are warned of the impending attack when Pippin cannot resist looking into Saruman's palantir and is briefly contacted by the dark lord. King Theoden is too proud to send his men to help without being asked, so Gandalf and Pippin ride to Minas Tirith to see that this request is sent. They meet opposition there from Denethor, steward of the city and father of Faramir and the late Boromir. Denethor's family has acted as temporary guardians of Gondor for centuries until a member of the true line of kings returns. This member is none other than Aragorn, who must overcome his own self-doubt before he can take on the role he was destined to fulfill. Meanwhile, Frodo and Sam continue to carry the One Ring towards Mordor, guided by Gollum. What they don't know is that Gollum is leading them into a trap so that he can reclaim the Ring for himself. Though Sam suspects his deceit, Frodo is starting to be corrupted by the Ring's power and the mistrust of Sam this causes is fully exploited by Gollum. The only way good can prevail in this contest is if the Ring is destroyed, an event that is becoming harder every minute for Frodo to achieve. The fate of every living creature in Middle Earth will be decided once and for all as the Quest of the Ringbearer reaches its climax.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

That spider thing – What’s it called?  Oh, and spoiler alert, there is a big spider.

That ghost army thing – It think someone killed the Tasmanian Devil and he came back as an army.

Trivia Notes:
While John Gilbert was editing The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring andMichael Horton was editing The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, Jamie Selkirk was cutting the final chapter. From the start, Peter Jackson wanted his longtime associate Selkirk on The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King as he knew Selkirk would stay focused on the climax of the entire saga.

After the premiere in Wellington, the city held a party that went on till dawn, funded by the City Council to the tune of $400,000, with street performers, outdoor screenings, an introduction from Prime Minister Helen Clark and a giant mock-up of a Nazgul flying over the Embassy Theatre.

John Rhys-Davies (Gimli) originally auditioned for the role of Denethor. (This means nothing to me.)

When Frodo is writing the book, the top of the page notes that Sam was elected Mayor of Hobbiton.

Moment of Wonder

This is a pretty epic moment in the history film romances
https://www.youtube.com/v/Y0F2c4VgxW8
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 07:36:28 AM
To be continued, and I should be finished in 2 days.  Sorry for taking so long, I'll finish it up soon.
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Post by: Darth Geek on June 23, 2013, 11:40:50 AM
No problem. Enjoying the write-ups a lot.
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Post by: CJones on June 23, 2013, 02:22:42 PM
Man, Crump was on a roll there for a while. I've always wanted to be Chaotic Evil  >:D
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 08:05:11 PM
Looking around the area they just crawled into they can see almost nothing.  It is complete darkness. Montgomery Cliff lights a match and sees that it is a room with several skeletons and a creepy old man.  The old man is scrawny and has a crazed look in his eyes.

He lunges at Montgomery.  The light goes out.  The wizards all cast light spells and see that the old man has been subdued.

"Where are we?"  Asks Montgomery.

"In an upside-down oubliette.  You choose the wrong path."

"Who are you?"

"A plaything, like you.  An ancient creature created these traps, this labyrinth and plucked you from where you were to get through it."

"Why?"

"It entertains him.  He loves to watch heroes and villains alike try to get caught in this place and slowly die."

"How long have you been here?"

"I don't know.  I don't think it matters any more.  We got trapped in here ages ago.  I had to eat my friends to survive.  Would you be my friend."

Everyone else was shouting no, but  Montgomery said "I don't see why not.  We might need some advice once we leave."

"Leave?  We'll never leave here.  We'll just starve and die and eat each other."

"Not for long" noted Anais "The lava fumes will kill us first."

"You activated the lava trap?" said the old man "The we are dead.  All dead.  Dead in the bowels of the earth"

"Ha, those are just the kind of places that dwarfs do their best work." Said Montgomery "The Earth that is.  Not bowels."

Montgomery and Coal set about checking the walls for either a secret exit or a weak wall.  It seemed they could find none... until they checked the low roof.

"I can feel it.  Not a secret door, but if we dig up through the rock, then we will find another floor.  I refuse to be a mad monster's plaything."
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 08:09:20 PM
 
So long... partner.
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Number 16: Toy Story 3
(64 points on 3 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Monty)

 Plot:   
Andy is now seventeen years old and is going to college. His mother presses him to decide the fate of his toys, and Andy decides to leave them in the attic, with the exception of Woody, who he intends to bring with him. However, Andy's mother donates them by accident to the Sunnyside Daycare. The toys are welcomed by Lotso Bear but soon they discover that the children play far too rough. Further, they are imprisoned in the daycare by Lotso and his gang. But Woody discovers the intentions of the evil bear and returns to the daycare to organize the escape of his friends.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Baby – And you thought the spider-head baby from the first movie was creepy.

Cymbal-Playing Monkey  - Do you have a dossier on evil monkey buyer.

Trivia Notes:
SERIES TRADEMARK: The letters/numbers "A113", which appears in most of the Pixar films, makes an appearance on a license plate on the back of Andy's Mom's car. A113 is a reference to the room at CalArts in which the Pixar Animators studied. The car itself bears a lot of resemblance to an Opel/Vauxhall Zafira.

Director Lee Unkrich voiced the Jack in the Box that yells "New toys!" to Andy's toys when they arrive at SunnySide.

There are 302 characters in the film.

When Woody comes back to Sunnyside to save the toys and enters the Caterpillar room through the ceiling, he lands on top of a shelf and runs past bins labeled "Toys", "Glue", etc. The font used is called "Andy".

Moment of Wonder

https://www.youtube.com/v/zCNgNkAZqg4
And they all died.  The end.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 08:17:33 PM
After a few minutes, our heroes are finally able to break through the ceiling and find themselves back in the labyrinth.  They are safe for now, but it seems that now they have no idea which way is which.  "Well, I guess that means one way is as good as any" Said Anais Chaotic Good Elvish Sorceress.

She turns a corner to see and stampede of minotaurs headed for them.  Having reserved a great deal of her magic until now, Anais casts a slow spell followed by a barrage of magic missiles.  She weakens them and allows the rest of the group to take them out with relatively no trouble.

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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 08:18:00 PM
 
There are no happy endings because nothing ends.
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Number 15 The Last Unicorn
(69 points on 4 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Anais.Butterfly)

 Plot:   
From a riddle-speaking butterfly, a unicorn learns that she is supposedly the last of her kind, all the others having been herded away by the Red Bull. The unicorn sets out to discover the truth behind the butterfly's words. She is eventually joined on her quest by Schmendrick, a second-rate magician, and Molly Grue, a now middle-aged woman who dreamed all her life of seeing a unicorn. Their journey leads them far from home, all the way to the castle of King Haggard...

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters
   
The Red Bull – Does not give you wings.

The Harpy – UGH.  Put a bra on that thing!  I mean, I don’t consider myself prudish but… *shudder*

The Last Unicorn – I’M ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!

Trivia Notes:
Dustin Hoffman, Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill were considered voices for Schmendrick. (All of those would have been very good actually.  Remember when there was a time when Ford was super-charismatic and not a cranky old man?)

Lady Amalthea's name comes from Greek mythology; when young Zeus was hidden from his father, the brutal Kronos, he was feed from the milk of a goat named Amalthea. Years later, and after Zeus finally defeated Kronos and established himself as the new King of Olympus, he rewarded the goat who fed him by turning one of her horns into the famous Horn of Abundance.

A live action version of the novel has been in the works for many years but nothing has ever come of it. Christopher Lee has stated that he would gladly reprise his role as King Haggard.  MAKE THIS HAPPEN!  But who would make a great director for this one?  I’m thinking either Terry Gilliam (It’s dark enough to fit his style, despite the largely happy ending), Guillermo del Toro (an obvious one, but I think it would be good), Jean-Pierre Jeunet or Brad Bird.  Very different directors, but I could see all of them doing awesome on this!

Paul Frees speaks for Haggard's court magician, but also provides the voice of the peg-legged cat in Haggard's castle as well as the amorous tree.

Moment of Wonder
Not the most amazing scene, but I always love fantasy stories where characters use their wits rather than magic, destiny or a dues ex machina.  Could do without the wacky music though.
http://www.youtube.com/v/YdvAuzIheFU

However, this is also great.

http://www.youtube.com/v/vcXCDpg60FU
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Raven on June 23, 2013, 08:24:39 PM
Didn't put The Last Unicorn on my list but if anyone decides to watch it again, make sure you check out the RoninFoxTrax for it.  Really funny.  Just watched the first half hour of it again the other day.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
Personally, I watched for the first time recently and... it's kind of a mess.  And I don't mean it's a bad movie, it's just a movie with a lot of great stuff and a lot of weak stuff shoved together in the same movie.

The Weak
- The music of America.
- The butterfly at the beginning of the movie who feels entirely out of place.
- The animation quality varies greatly but has a lot of the patented Ranking Bass weak points.  Largely, not so good.
- It feels like there's stuff that's missing.  A sense of time, characteristics of characters that seem rich that are glossed over (the fact that Prince Lir is kind of pathetic, the unicorn falling in love feels rushed when more time should have been taken with it.) and thematic stuff I wish was emphasized more (it seems that beyond the incompetent wizard, all of the characters are sort of pathetic, tragic or offbeat versions of fairy tale archetypes.  Molly Grue is a young maiden who had nothing happen to her and grew old, Lir and Haggard are basically rulers of nothing and no one, Haggard is less overtly evil than lonely and pathetic, though in a dangerous way).

- On the plus side, a lot of the aforementioned stuff is there, if in a glossed over way.
- There is also good animation in this.
- The overall narrative is a bit choppy but strong.
- The dialogue is REALLY GOOD (except when Rankin Bass adds their own style of humour to it)
- The acting is also stellar and works perfectly with the dialogue.

So really it is a 50/50 movie for me.  Heavily flawed but with some amazing strengths.  So please get Christopher Lee to play King Haggard again!
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
The party moved forward towards what they hoped was the right direction with Cecil taking up the lead.

From the back Anais asked "Come to think of it, why were those minotaur stampeding?  They don't scare easily, especially in herds?"

The thought sent a collective chill down the party's spine.  As they went forward, they heard a loud breathing.  The maze got darker.  It wasn't just the torches weren't lit, it was light the darkness was actively dimming the light.  Soon it was almost black as pitch.  Cecil could feel the breathing getting louder.  He could smell something too.  Something strong and warm.  Forward he could finally see something: 2 bright green eyes and a row of shiny white teeth belonging to a great wolf.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
 
Never give up and good luck will find you.
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Number 14 The NeverEnding Story
(70 points on 7 of 14 lists. Top Vote #4 by Pak-Man)

 Plot:   
Bastian is a young boy who lives a dreary life being tormented by school bullies. On one such occasion he escapes into a book shop where the old proprietor reveals an ancient story-book to him, which he is warned can be dangerous. Shortly after, he "borrows" the book and begins to read it in the school attic where he is drawn into the mythical land of Fantasia, which desperately needs a hero to save it from destruction.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters
   
Falcor – Just another excuse to play this song

http://www.youtube.com/v/qppKbg_91-o

The Nothing -

The Rock-Biter – “These look like big hands, don’t they.  Big, strong hands…  LET ME GO OOOOOOOOOOON, LIKE A BLISTER IN THE SUN!”

Trivia Notes:
Was the most expensive film ever produced in Germany at the time it was made.

The theme song was sang by Limahl, who was the lead singer of the pop band Kajagoogoo.

During filming in Germany, because it was an unusually hot summer one of the statues of the Ivory Tower actually melted. On other days, the crew were forced to shut down production because the blue backgrounds for the matte work refused to operate properly.

Noah Hathaway (Atreyu) now owns and operates a tattoo parlor in Los Angeles, California with his wife.

Moment of Wonder
Be confident doesn’t have the same ring as be aggressive.  B. E. Aggressive.
http://www.youtube.com/v/I_vzG5nYk1I
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 10:23:52 PM
Cecil and Sir Rook where the first to take up arms against the monstrous wolf.  They dealt powerful blows but the giant wolf proved to powerful for them.  But leaping from behind, Dogmeat came down on him with his axe and did not stop chopping for some time.

"Excellent work Dogmeat!  If you should like, you can join the royal army when we get back.  I think you would prove a worthy night."

Dogmeat agreed, but mostly because he was hoping this meant he could go around, chopping off heads and yelling "Lookit me!  I'ma knight!  WHEEE!"
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 10:28:56 PM
 
Now, once more, I must ride with my knights to defend what was, and the dream of what could be.
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Number 13 Excalibur
(81 points on 4 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Tripe Hound Redux)

 Plot:   
The myth of King Arthur brought once again to the screen. Uthur Pendragon is given the mystical sword Excalibur by the wizard Merlin. At his death Uthur buries the sword into a stone, and the next man that can pull it out will be King of England. Years later Arthur, Uthur's bastard son draws Excalibur and becomes king. Guided by Merlin, Arthur marries Guenivere and gathers the Knights of the Round Table. Arthur's evil half-sister Morgana sires a son with him, who may prove his downfall.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters
   
Excalibur – How come no one though to just break the rock about the stone.  Maybe you can’t get all the stone bits off, but then you can take it from town to town to see if people can wield it.

Merlin – He ages backwards, which I guess means he started out as a skeleton and then climbed into a woman.  Poor woman, buy the way.

The Grail – what makes a grail a grail.  People have steins, but no one just has a grail.

Trivia Notes:
The names of the 25 knights inscribed on the Winchester Round Table are given as: Galahad, Lancelot du Lac, Gawain, Percivale, Lionell, Bors de Ganis, Kay, Tristram de Lyones, Gareth, Bedivere, Bleoberis, La Cote Male Taile, Lucan, Palomedes, Lamorak, Safer, Pelleas, Hector de Maris, Dagonet, Degore, Brunor le Noir, Le Bel Desconneu, Alymere, and Mordred.

The cameraman waited with a camera running for days for the shot of a crow eating an eye. They had to wait for the crow to really eat the sheep's eye.

Camelot shown from afar is a model reflected into camera with a mirror.

Director John Boorman bought the horse that Percival rides to champion Guinevere.

Moment of Wonder
He chose…. Poorly.  Just kiddin’.
http://www.youtube.com/v/K1MuvvS_xSw
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 11:00:54 PM
Suddenly, the wolf stands up again.  There's a new look in his eyes.  A dead look.  The undead wolf rips off the arms and legs of the party.  None have time to react.  Everyone is dead.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 11:01:37 PM
 
Hail to the king, baby.
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(Why is not every heavy metal cover this?)
Number 12 Army of Darkness
(84 points on 6 of 14 lists. Top Vote #3 by Mrs. Dick Courier)

 Plot:   
In this sequel to the Evil Dead films, a discount-store employee ("Name's Ash. Housewares.") is time-warped to a medieval castle beset by monstrous forces. Initially mistaken for an enemy, he is soon revealed as the prophecised savior who can quest for the Necronomicon, a book which can dispel the evil. Unfortunately, he screws up the magic words while collecting the tome, and releases an army of skeletons, led by his own Deadite counterpart. What follows is a thrilling, yet tongue-in-cheek battle between Ash's 20th Century tactics and the minions of darkness.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Deadites – Some puns that would relate to a skeleton

The Necronomicon – Bound in human skin.  Stapled together with fingernail clippings.

Trivia Notes:
On the posters released for the movie, Music credit goes to 'Joe LoDuca', but is misspelled as Joe DoLuca.

S-Mart is chain of grocery stores in Mexico.

During the filming of Army Of Darkness the Delta 88 car falling out of the sky was shot two times. During the first attempt, the 25 ton crane lifting the Oldsmobile failed due to mechanical problems and toppled over the edge of a cliff at the quarry location where filming was taking place. Fortunately no injuries occurred as the crane operator dropped from the cab before the crane went over the edge. Days later a larger 80 ton crane was brought in to remove the damaged crane and re-shoot the car drop. In the final edit, elements of the re-shoot as well as footage from the end of Evil Dead 2 were used.

During filming of the climactic sword fight at Arthur's castle, Bruce Campbell suffered a small gash to his face when a decorative pin on his cape cut him during a stunt. He was immediately from the Polsa Rosa Ranch location to see a plastic surgeon to assess the damage. At the examination the doctor had to have the actual injury pointed out amid the myriad of special effect scars and cuts Ash's character had accumulated during the story. Campbell was treated and returned to set shortly afterward to finish the scene.

Moment of Wonder
I love the idea of showing this scene to someone who only saw the first movie and hadn’t heard of the others.
http://www.youtube.com/v/wP3H6lZ_mt8
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 11:05:41 PM
No, wait, sorry guys, I didn't take into account certain artifacts and status boosts.  Let's start that again.

Suddenly, the wolf stands up again.  There's a new look in his eyes.  A dead look.  Luckily Richardella uses the dark to her advantage and sneak attacks the wolf, doing critical damage.  Then, as the undead beast is distracted, Montgomery lops off it's head.

The old man whimpers "either we are getting close to succeeding or the keeper of the maze is bored with us now.  He brought back the wolf as undead to finish us off."
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 11:06:43 PM
 
Well, what if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.
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 Number 11 Groundhog Day
(86 points on 5 of 14 lists. Top Vote #4 by Monty)

 Plot:   
A TV weather man reluctantly goes to cover the story of Punxsutawney Phil for the third year in a row. Making no effort to hide his frustration about this, he covers the story and moves on, expecting his job to be finished. However, he awakes the 'following' day and discovers that it's Groundhog Day again, and the fun happens again, again, and again. First he finds this burdensome and unavoidable no matter what, then he soon realizes he must take advantage of it in order to secure the love of a coworker.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Feb, 2, 1993 – Try that a few thousand times.

Trivia Notes:
According to director Harold Ramis, most of the times when he tried to explain a scene to Bill Murray, Murray would interrupt and ask, "Just tell me - good Phil or bad Phil?"

Stephen Tobolowsky, who played Ned "the head" Reyerson the insurance agent was the honorary grand marshal in Punxsutawney, PA on Feb. 2nd, 2010. During his speech on stage he performed the "whistling belly button" act he refers to in the film. (I love Tobo)

Director Harold Ramis was surprised to find that his film was attracting a lot of attention from various religious groups, meditative gurus and other parties who were into metaphysics. Ramis was particularly surprised as he was expecting a backlash against him.

Danny Rubin and Harold Ramis wanted to add another Ned Ryerson scene at the last minute, so Stephen Tobolowsky wrote the scene where he rattles off a number of insurance policies. Tobolowsky based his character on his own insurance agent. After the movie's release, the agent called Tobolowsky to thank him for portraying agents so accurately rather than making fun of them as most movies do.

Moment of Wonder
Phil knows what to do and when to do it.
http://www.youtube.com/v/gKGOG-Pr81E
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 23, 2013, 11:08:16 PM
And that's it for tonight.  I'll finish this thing off tomorrow.

See you guys later, and take some pizza home with you.  I can't finish it all.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Raven on June 24, 2013, 02:16:14 AM
Never Ending Story was number 25 on my list because I remember liking it as a kid, but honestly couldn't tell you a damn thing in it now,  accept that the dogs name is Falcor, since I haven't seen it since I was 10 or so. 

I didn't include Army of Darkness as I look at that as a horror movie, not fantasy but I don't have a problem with it being on the list and pretty high up. 

I definitely had Groundhog Day on my list.  Probably my favorite Bill Murray movie (and that's one of the harder choices I've had to make).
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 02:42:12 AM
Army of Darkness is in no way horror to me.  The first 2 films definitely are, but the first one, though having the same lead, takes it in a much different direction (a Ray Harryhausen homage).
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Post by: Raven on June 24, 2013, 05:55:28 AM
Yeah, I just kinda lump the whole series together.  Like I said, glad it's on the list still.
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Post by: anais.butterfly on June 24, 2013, 07:03:33 AM
Personally, I watched for the first time recently and... it's kind of a mess.  And I don't mean it's a bad movie, it's just a movie with a lot of great stuff and a lot of weak stuff shoved together in the same movie.

The Weak
- The music of America.
- The butterfly at the beginning of the movie who feels entirely out of place.
- It feels like there's stuff that's missing.  A sense of time, characteristics of characters that seem rich that are glossed over (the fact that Prince Lir is kind of pathetic, the unicorn falling in love feels rushed when more time should have been taken with it.) and thematic stuff I wish was emphasized more (it seems that beyond the incompetent wizard, all of the characters are sort of pathetic, tragic or offbeat versions of fairy tale archetypes.  Molly Grue is a young maiden who had nothing happen to her and grew old, Lir and Haggard are basically rulers of nothing and no one, Haggard is less overtly evil than lonely and pathetic, though in a dangerous way).


I disagree with all of this.

America was a great choice for this movie and holds up well. Far better than their regular music

The Butterfly is extremely important. Not only does he prove fantastical whimsy, but he gets the plot going. Without King Haggard and his plan, the world of the forrest would be nothing BUT whimsy, which is why the butterfly is almost bi-polar when he is talking to the Unicron. He is the representation of what was and what is happening, and that is what the unicorn sets out to stop.

The characters are supposed to be more realistic and less straight fantasy types. Typical fantasy will have a magician that is extremely competent, but what if he wasn't? It's very similiar to Archer in that you have a genre piece where the characters are more imcompentant (RE: human) than the typical archetypes found in the majority of stories within than genre. I am sure there is a literary phrase for that.

Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 07:46:57 AM

The characters are supposed to be more realistic and less straight fantasy types. Typical fantasy will have a magician that is extremely competent, but what if he wasn't? It's very similiar to Archer in that you have a genre piece where the characters are more imcompentant (RE: human) than the typical archetypes found in the majority of stories within than genre. I am sure there is a literary phrase for that.

This is a thing I like in the movie.  A lot.  But I feel that aside from Schmendrick and Haggard, it doesn't really use it to it's full advantage.  Lir's patheticness despite his competence for knightly pursuits comes across as a throwaway aspect rather than a big motivator for the character, as if it is a given that these characters are supposed to love each other.  Haggard is by far the film's richest aspect.  I also wish we had time to see why Haggard liked having Schmendrick around.  It seems a given that he is, but I feel we could have gotten more out of their relationship.  Does Haggard see him as charming in his modest abilities or does he just see him as a joke he enjoys stealing dignity from.

What is implied doesn't feel like subtlety so much as missed opportunity for enriching the characters.

that is what the unicorn sets out to stop.


Wait, Unicron is in this?  I need to watch it again.  Seriously though, my problem with the butterfly isn't his purpose in the plot, it just how damned painfully unfunny he is.  There are a lot of great fictional characters that combine humour and sadness, but this guy felt like he was out of a My Little Pony cartoon.  And not the good one.  This one.

http://www.youtube.com/v/QP_rIAkb_v8

Wait, Tony Randall?  Maybe that IS the good one...
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on June 24, 2013, 06:24:32 PM

Wait, Unicron is in this?  I need to watch it again.  Seriously though, my problem with the butterfly isn't his purpose in the plot, it just how damned painfully unfunny he is.  There are a lot of great fictional characters that combine humour and sadness, but this guy felt like he was out of a My Little Pony cartoon.  And not the good one.  This one.

http://www.youtube.com/v/QP_rIAkb_v8


My Eyes!
My Ears!

Side note.  If you liked Last Unicorn, you might check out the comic, Heavenly Nostrils.  Kind of Calvin and Hobbes, but with a Girl and a Unicorn, and the Unicorn was inspired by Amalthea.  Author even did a thing with Beagle last month for a screening of the film.

(http://assets.amuniversal.com/c4c03460b452012fd668001dd8b71c47?width=900.0)

Funny enough, I think the movie has aged pretty poorly.  Was never one I got really into as a kid.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 07:07:05 PM
It's going to be a little longer than I thought.  Probably much later tonight.  Sorries.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 09:04:05 PM
So our intrepid party continues into the maze, though it is hard to say whether they are going in the right direction.  As they go on, they fight more fearsome beasts, answer challenging riddles and achieve difficult tasks, but sadly they seem no closer to their goal.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 09:05:19 PM
Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
(http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/465243.1020.A.jpg)
 Number 10 Monty Python and the Holy Grail
(89  points on 5 of 14 lists. Top Vote #3 by Starman!)

 Plot:   
King Arthur and his knights embark on a low-budget search for the Grail, encountering many very silly obstacles.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Holy Hand Grenade – 1, 2, 5!

Castle Anthrax – Can’t we have a little peril?

Sir Not-Featured-in-This-List – Sorry

Trivia Notes:
The gorilla hand turning the pages was director Terry Gilliam's. The hand turning pages before that is that of Gilliam's wife.

Unusually for a Monty Python feature, all the female roles (apart from Dennis's mother, played by Terry Jones) are played by women. In the TV series and the two following films, almost all the female roles are played by men.

The King of Swamp Castle says that Sir Lancelot killed "all those guards - they cost 50 pounds each", meaning that Sir Lancelot killed £300 worth of guards.

Since the armour the Knights wore was really made of wool, and the weather conditions in Scotland and England being what they normally are, the actors spent most of the shooting days being very cold and wet. To make matters worse, the hotel where they were staying only had a limited number of baths and hot water. At the end of shooting each day, there was a mad dash to see who could get back to the hotel first, and into some hot water. The Monty Python troupe all seem to agree that they did not enjoy much of the filming experience for this movie.

In an auction of movie costumes in March 2007, the helmet worm by Sir Bedevere (Terry Jones) sold for $29,000, more than ten times the original estimate.

Moment of Wonder
 http://www.youtube.com/v/IMxWLuOFyZM
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 09:22:47 PM
As the party continue, they find their resources draining and their bodies tiring.  They decide to stop for a quick rest in a garden along the way.  After checking to see if the plants have any fruit (none, I'm afraid) they begin to rest.  However, it is Bono, lacking in a traditional body, who notices that the scents being emitted by the flowers are putting them to sleep, and perhaps poisoning them.  Bono plays a song to rouse the team, but only Montgomery has enough energy left to pull them all out of the room before they fall into eternal slumber.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 09:24:28 PM
 
Birds fly Over The Rainbow. Why then, oh why can't I?
(http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/15/b70-7814)
 Number 9 The Wizard of Oz
(93 points on 5 of 14 lists. Top Vote #2 by Monty)

 Plot:   
In this charming film based on the popular L. Frank Baum stories, Dorothy and her dog Toto are caught in a tornado's path and somehow end up in the land of Oz. Here she meets some memorable friends and foes in her journey to meet the Wizard of Oz who everyone says can help her return home and possibly grant her new friends their goals of a brain, heart and courage.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Wicked Witch of the West – The second most embarrassing villain death after Boba Fett.

Poppies – Is this why I get sleepy every remembrance day ceremony?  But I kid the veterans.

The Scarecrow – We all agree he’s the best of Dorothy’ companions, right?

Trivia Notes:
Richard Thorpe, the original director of the film, had shot around two weeks of footage before he was fired. Among the scenes he shot were Dorothy's meeting of the Scarecrow on the Yellow Brick Road along with his song and dance, as well as all the scenes involving the Wicked Witch's castle. Thorpe's footage had a remarkably different look from what was seen in the finished film. Most striking was the look of Judy Garland's Dorothy, who in Thorpe's footage had a blonde tousled hairstyle with baby doll make-up.Ray Bolger's Scarecrow also had different make-up as well as trousers. Margaret Hamilton had different make-up as the Wicked Witch of the West. In addition, Buddy Ebsen was playing the Tin Man. In Thorpe's footage the Yellow Brick Road also had a different look, as it was not curbed and made up of artificial looking oval bricks, instead of the curbed real rectangular ones in the finished film. Thorpe's footage has not been seen since it was shot in 1938 but surviving home movies, taken by composer Harold Arlen, shows a few shots of a blonde Garland and Bolger rehearsing their Scarecrow meeting scene, giving the viewer a glimpse of what Thorpe's Oz would have looked like.

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George Cukor not only changed Judy Garland's physical appearance in the film to the way it looks in the finished version, but also modified the Scarecrow's makeup. Later, when Victor Fleming had been assigned to direct, Jack Haley began filming his first scene as the Tin Man, the scene in which Dorothy and the Scarecrow first discover him. Buddy Ebsen, who had been playing the Tin Man, had to back out because of an allergic reaction to his makeup, and never filmed this scene; he had only filmed scenes that take place in the second half of the film, after the four travelers have been to the Wash and Brush Up Co. at the Emerald City. Haley had been filming his first scene for three days before anyone realized that he had no "rust" on his "tin" costume, even though in the story he was supposed to have been standing rusted for an entire year. The rust was immediately applied to it.

Many of the Wicked Witch of the West's scenes were either trimmed or deleted entirely, as Margaret Hamilton's performance was thought too frightening for audiences.

A scene was filmed in which the Tin Man was turned into a "human beehive" by the Wicked Witch; after he crushes a bee, the Tin Man cries and rusts his jaw shut, then has to be oiled by Dorothy to get his jaw working again. This scene was cut and so the scene of Dorothy and her companions that comes after where the "beehive" scene had to be flipped to match their continuity in the earlier scene, causing them to appear blurred slightly.

The original concept for the Wicked Witch of the West was to have her resemble a strikingly beautiful woman much in the same way the Evil Queen in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs was conceived. Producer Mervyn LeRoy originally cast MGM beauty Gale Sondergaard in the role as a sleek, sexy Wicked Witch of the West. However, the presence of a sexy Wicked Witch left a large plot hole within the script, for it played against the idea that bad witches were ugly. Convinced that the point was important, LeRoy retested Sondergaard as an ugly witch. Looking hideous in the make-up, she immediately declined the role and was replaced with Margaret Hamilton.

Moment of Wonder
Yeah, Scarecrow is the best.
 http://www.youtube.com/v/nauLgZISozs
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Starman! on June 24, 2013, 09:45:39 PM
How did I forget Army of Darkness?
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Raven on June 24, 2013, 10:06:19 PM
I'm not surprised that Holy Grail and Wizard of Oz cracked the top 10. I'm a little surprised that they were both only on 5 lists though.  I had both of them on my list.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 10:29:34 PM
Tired and confused, the heroes find themselves at a loss.

"Ya see, ya fools!  There's no way out and no food.  We are doomed.  DOOOMED"  Anais Chaotic Good Elvish Sorceress didn't despair, though.

"OK, OK, let's see what we have.  Maybe there's another way we can handle this.  Empty your bags and pockets, let's see what we have."

There are a few skins of water, nearly empty.  A few pieces of paper and scrolls.  Only a couple are usable for spell: a fire spell and a memory spell.  There's a few condiments.  A useless wand and a heal potion.

Anais Chaotic Good Elvish Sorceress casts a mind connection spell and casts the memory spell that allows her to combine all of their memories of the maze so far.  Using the old scroll paper and the wand and the condiments, she creates a makeshift map that actually completes much of the map.  Anais then completes the map based on estimation and logical design.

"I know the way out."  Says Anais
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 10:51:02 PM
Don't play with that wand! It holds vast powers. Only a real sorcerer can use it, not a stupid peck like you.
(http://www.impawards.com/1988/posters/willow_ver3.jpg)
 Number 8 Willow
(95 points on 7 of 14 lists. Top Vote #8 by Anais.Butterfly)

 Plot:   
In the dungeons of the castle of the evil Queen-sorceress Bavmorda, a prisoner gives birth to a child who, according to an ancient prophecy, will put an end to the reign of the Queen. A midwife saves the child from the wrath of Bavmorda, but is forced to throw her cradle in a river when reached by the Hounds of the Queen. The river brings the child near a village of nelwyns, and little Willow finds and adopts her. When the Hounds reach the village, Willow begins a difficult journey to bring the baby back to her people and to fulfill the prophecy.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

A magic wand – a classic.

Two-headed Dragon – That was in this movie, right?  It’s been a long time since I saw it.

Trivia Notes:
The devil dogs were actually Rottweilers in rubber masks and suits.

During the close-up shots of the scene where Madmartigan and the soldier are being dragged behind the wagon, Val Kilmer was kneeling on a pedestal behind the wagon, while his stunt double was dragged behind letting the stunt man's legs take the beating.

According to the press kits and subsequent novels (!?!), the two-headed dragon was named "Eborsisk", a reference to the movie critics Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert. The word does not occur in the film but made it into some reviews.

Word from Ron Howard is that part of the two-headed dragon "Eborsisk" was modeled after Clint Howard, his brother. He stated that since Clint has had many cameo appearances in his films, and Ron couldn't find a part for him in this one, he modeled the dragon after him. (Man, that dragon was made to insult everyone).

In preparation for the movie, Warwick Davis had to learn a modified accent, how to take care of a baby, how to ride a horse, how to sword fight, and how to perform magic.


Moment of Wonder
Man, that troll losing all its skin is really upsetting to me
 http://www.youtube.com/v/Hrb4n-x7CJ4
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 10:51:41 PM
 
So this is the best the Supreme Being can do?
(http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/time-bandits-20110207-085508.jpg)
 Number 7 Time Bandits   
(105 points on 8 of 14 lists. Top Vote #5 by Charles Hussein Castle)

 Plot:   
A young boy's wardrobe contains a time hole. Through this hole an assortment of short people (i.e. dwarfs) come while escaping from their master, the supreme being. They take Kevin with them on their adventures through time from Napoleonic times to the Middle Ages to the early 1900s, to the time of Legends and the Fortress of Ultimate Darkness where they confront Evil.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Map of Time - Ugh, I hate having to fold those things.

Evil - Basically just David Warner if he was all powerful and was really into state-of-the-art electronics.

Trivia Notes:
Jonathan Pryce was offered the role of the Evil Genius but was unavailable owing to his commitment to Loophole.

In Anne Rice's third novel in her Vampire Chronicles, "The Queen of the Damned", Daniel (the interviewer from Interview with the Vampire: The Vampire Chronicles) and vampire Armand see Time Bandits in the cinema together. Armand finds the scene where the Time Bandits sing for Napoléon Bonaparte in the battle-ravaged theatre so funny that he laughs uncontrollably every time he sees it and goes back repeatedly to re-watch it. Personally, I prefer John Cleese's Robin Hood.

In 1996, Terry Gilliam and Charles McKeown collaborated on a script for Time Bandits 2, bringing back most of the original cast, with the exceptions of David Rappaport and Tiny Ross who had passed away a few years before, and owing to Jack Purvis being paralyzed from a car accident, his character was written to be in a similar state. But following the death of Purvis, the project was shelved indefinitely.

Sean Connery suggested that he appear as one of the firefighters near the end of the film. I wonder if he also suggested (How about we just kill the kid's parents?  I'm sure young audiences would love that and would not be traumatized).

In the original script, King Agamemnon was introduced as: "The warrior took off his helmet, revealing someone that looks exactly like Sean Connery, or an actor of equal but cheaper stature." To Terry Gilliam's surprise, the script ended up in Connery's hands. He expressed interest in the part and his agent approached them for the role. (Connery has made some bad choices in his career, but THIS WAS NOT ONE OF THEM.)

Moment of Wonder
Ya know, this might be my favourite section of the film (I love Agamemnon and Kevin's relationship)
 http://www.youtube.com/v/wEiflMNQJ1o
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 11:06:11 PM
With a destination in sight, our heroes rush to what they hope is the exit only to find a wall in the way.

"No!  No, it isn't fair!"  Said the old man.  "We were so close!"

"No!" Said Corvus.  "We are getting through."  Then he pulled a scroll he had hidden up his sleeve.

Anais smirked "Holdin' out on us, where ya?"

"A dark wizard always keeps something up his sleeve."

He unfurls the scroll which has nothing but a big dark circle, places it against the wall and says the magic words.

The black spot becomes a hole, both in the scroll and in the wall.  The hole is still very small.

"Well, we're almost out!"
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 11:07:14 PM
That's right! A laugh can be a very powerful thing. Why, sometimes in life, it's the only weapon we have.
(http://www.joblo.com/posters/images/full/1988-who-framed-roger-rabbit-poster1.jpg)
 Number 6 Who Framed Roger Rabbit?   
(113 points on 5 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Raven)

 Plot:   
It's the story of a cartoon character named Roger Rabbit who exists along side of real humans. Eventually, it is revealed that Marvin Acme, the owner of the Acme Company and of Toontown, has been murdered! But all fingers point to Roger Rabbit, a Toon star at Maroon Cartoons. But unfortunately the only person who can prove Roger's innocence is Toon hating Eddie Valiant, a washed-up, alcoholic private detective who is reluctantly forced into helping when Roger hides in his apartment. It's up to Eddie to clear Roger's name and find the real evildoer before the villainous, power-hungry Judge Doom goes on a mission to bring Roger to justice!

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Toon Town – Come on, well all know what Eddie Valiant meant when he talked about “Goin’ to Toon Town” with his brother and “Havin’ Some Laughs”.  Try getting that image out of your head.

The Dip – The only thing that could kill toons, until TV animation came along in the 60’s.

Trivia Notes:
Another scene that came about by accident was when Roger and Eddie Valiant arrive at Maroon Studios to interrogate Mr. Maroon. As Bob Hoskins delivered his lines, he looked straight ahead, instead of down at a three-foot rabbit. The animators decided to have Roger stand on tiptoe against the wall to cover up the gaffe.

A "prequel" with the working title "Toon Platoon" never got out of the developmental stage. That could have been really awful or absolutely amazing.

The song played by Daffy and Donald Duck in the Ink and Paint Club is the Second Hungarian Rhapsody by Franz Liszt, a song featured in numerous cartoons, including the Oscar winning Tom & Jerry short The Cat Concerto and the Bugs Bunny Merrie Melodie, Rhapsody Rabbit.

Since the movie was being made by Disney, Warner Brothers would only allow the use of their biggest toon stars, Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck, if they got an equal amount of screen time as Disney's biggest stars, Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. Because of this, both sets of characters are always together in frame when on the screen.


Roddy McDowell was considered for the role of Judge Doom, while Christopher Lee turned it down.  As fantastic as Christopher Lloyd is in this movie, both would have been AMAZING! (especially imagining those two straight-laced actors suddenly turn into murderous toons). 

Also, if I knew this whole list would secretly be a love letter to Lee, I would have made a big special entry for him!.

Moment of Wonder
The crossover you never expected but loved to see!  And an extra number…
 http://www.youtube.com/v/ZqTMk6RSssw
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 11:15:10 PM
With the hole so very small, only Spearmint and the now skeletonized Bono could fit though.  "Our only hope lies in his hands", said Anais.

"No" Said Blackeyes, "Now you've lost it.  Frankly, I was relieved, now that those 2 are gone.  It will still be a struggle, but nothing I can't overcome."

The old man staggered back "No, it's yo--" hew began to shout before bursting into flame.

Blackeyes, began to take a new form, that of a taller, almost spectral giant.

"Now, let's take care of that."  He waves his hand and the hole in the wall disappeared. 

"Now, let's have a good old fashioned battle.  I haven't gotten my hands dirty in weeks.  I will enjoy taking you apart.  Not even your little friends can help you now."
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 11:16:09 PM
The world is changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it. It began with the forging of the Great Rings.
(http://images.posterjunction.com/Lord-of-the-Rings-1-The-Fellowship-of-the-Ring-movie-poster-1020247902.jpg)
 Number 5 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring   
(115 points on 7 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Darth Geek)

 Plot:   
An ancient Ring thought lost for centuries has been found, and through a strange twist in fate has been given to a small Hobbit named Frodo. When Gandalf discovers the Ring is in fact the One Ring of the Dark Lord Sauron, Frodo must make an epic quest to the Cracks of Doom in order to destroy it! However he does not go alone. He is joined by Gandalf, Legolas the elf, Gimli the Dwarf, Aragorn, Boromir and his three Hobbit friends Merry, Pippin and Samwise. Through mountains, snow, darkness, forests, rivers and plains, facing evil and danger at every corner the Fellowship of the Ring must go. Their quest to destroy the One Ring is the only hope for the end of the Dark Lords reign!

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The One Ring – Say what you will about it making people insane and evil and causing the end of the world, but you never have to get it refitted.  Not that many characters where it (seriously, even Gollum, who is totally overcome by the rings evil never really wears the ring all the time.

The Nazgul – AKA Ringwraiths, Ring-wraiths, Black Riders,Dark Riders, the Nine Riders, or simply the Nine because nothing can simply have ONE NAME IN TOLKIEN’S WORLD!

Saruman – Seriously, as great as Ian McKellan is, Christopher Lee makes everything better.

Trivia Notes:
The two most renowned Tolkien artists are Alan Lee and John Howe, and so it was important to Peter Jackson to have those two on board. Lee was tracked down to a tiny little village in Dartmoor, England and was FedExed a package of Jackson's Heavenly Creatures and a letter outlining his intentions. They monitored the progress of the FedEx package every step of the way, but were somewhat surprised when Lee rang them only 3 hours after delivery to say he'd love to work with them. Howe meanwhile was living in Switzerland, and because someone hadn't worked out the time differences between Europe and New Zealand correctly, was rung about 2am. He says that the biggest frustration with that phone call was waiting for Jackson to finish his pitch before he could say yes.

Bilbo Baggins's birthday cake has 111 candles on it and they eventually set fire to the polystyrene cake.

Production designer Grant Major personally supervised the translation of all the writings in Balin's tomb into Dwarvish. He was then horrified to learn that a visiting J.R.R. Tolkienscholar had taken great offence at seeing the phrase "Joe was here" among the writings. They scoured the contents of Balin's tomb and found nothing, only to learn that the scholar - who was overly serious about everything to do with Tolkien - had been told this by a crew carpenter who has having a joke at his expense. Intrepid fans later published screen captures and translations of Moria wall segments where the runes spelled "John was here" and "Made in New Zealand". During pre-production, Weta artists asked Tolkien expert Michael Martinez if there were any examples of Orc graffiti in the book. Martinez found one citation (in the scene where Frodo, Sam, and Gollum see a defaced statue in Gondor). He used other passages to argue that the Orcs would have used runes to carve graffiti on Moria's walls.

During the Council of Elrond, leaves are continually falling in the background to suggest that this is a meeting that is taking place outside. This meant about half a dozen crew members were positioned above the set, dropping leaves at various intervals. This also meant that the production department had to collect sacks and sacks of leaves during autumn, and of course dead leaves turn brown fairly quickly. Which also meant that every single one of those leaves had to be individually painted.

John Howe, brought in to work on the production because of his longstanding reputation as being one of the great artists of J.R.R. Tolkien's work, was given the task of designing the Moria Orcs himself.

Moment of Wonder
Wizard Vs. Demon!
 http://www.youtube.com/v/VlaiBeLrntQ
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 11:33:19 PM
Corvus, Anais and Coal cast magic missiles at Blackeyes.  Crump, Dogmeat, Montgomery and Cecil strike with all of their might.  As they take injuries, von Rook exhausts his magic trying to heal them as they take damage from Blackeyes magical attacks.  And Richardella and Tejava sneak behind Blackeyes to sneak attack him.  But it seems to be of no avail.

"I was hoping some of you would give up and become permanent fixtures.  You certainly are colourful enough."

"You know," points out Tejava "It's not like you thought to ask."

Suddenly, Cecil uses his smite evil attack and does serious damage to Blackeyes.

"ARRGGHH.... I must admit, that hurt tremendously.  If I played fair, I would be very worried.  If..."

Suddenly, Blackeyes turns into black gas and starts filling the masonry of the walls.  Suddenly, the other entrance turns unto a wall.

"You'll have to forgive me, but I love the classics."

Suddenly, the Blackeyes possessed walls begin closing in on our heroes.  They push against them as hard as the can.

"You can slow down the walls," laughs Blackeyes "But walls don't tire like flesh does."

Slowly but surely but the walls keep moving forward, giving not an inch.

After a few minutes, our party begins to say their goodbyes.  All hope taken away.

And that is when the wall eroded.  And on the other side, Spearmint and Bono.

Spearmint wanted to make a quip but everyone was too busy rushing out of the hole to hear it.

And that's when it dawned on them... They are out of the maze!

"How did you get us out?  You were out of resources." asked Cecil.

"Yeah, but right outside was a forest." Said Spearmint  "A good alchemist can make almost anything out of a few carefully chosen resources."
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 11:35:16 PM
 
I don't know why, but every now and again in my life - for no reason at all - I need you. All of you.
(http://www.joblo.com/posters/images/full/1986-labyrinth-poster2.jpg)
 Number 4 Labyrinth   
(126 Points on 11 of 14 lists. Top Vote #3 by Pak Man)

 Plot:   
Young Sarah is left home alone by her parents and she has to babysit her little brother Toby. But the baby keeps crying and Sarah, while telling him a story to make him sleep, inadvertently conjures from a fantasy world the Goblin King who steals the child and brings him to his castle in the middle of a labyrinth. Sarah has to rescue him before midnight, or the baby will became a goblin...

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

The Labyrinth – It’s full of tricks, traps, MC Escher stuff and probably a magic eye.  I can never get those to work.

Goblins – The Goblin King is Hunky Dory spelled backwards!

Trivia Notes:
The various things that Jareth does with the crystal balls (rolling them around his arms and in his hands and so forth) are not camera tricks or any other kind of special effect. They are actually done by choreographer Michael Moschen, who is an accomplished juggler. Moschen was actually crouched behind Bowie with his arm(s) replacing Bowie's. Unlike a typical Muppet performance, however, he had no video screen to view his performance. In other words, his manipulations were performed completely blind.

The upside-down room in the Goblin City is directly inspired by a drawing by M.C. Escher(entitled "Relativity") - which can been seen in Sarah's room at the beginning of the film.

The baby who plays Toby is Toby Froud, son of Brian Froud who was the conceptual designer for both this movie and The Dark Crystal, another Jim Henson production.

Helena Bonham Carter, Jane Krakowski, Yasmine Bleeth, Sarah Jessica Parker, Mary Stuart Masterson, Laura Dern, Maddie Corman, Kerri Green, Lili Taylor, Laura San Giacomo, Ally Sheedy, Mia Sara and Marisa Tomei all auditioned for the role of Sarah Williams. Krakowski, Sheedy and Corman were all highly considered for the role, alongsideJennifer Connelly, who eventually won the role.

Monty Python member Terry Jones wrote one early version of the script. Little of his material was retained beyond the point where Sarah eats the poisoned peach. The original script ended with Sarah punching and kicking Jareth, then watching him shrink down until he's becomes a small and "snivelling" goblin. Also, Toby's name was Freddie in the early drafts of the story. The baby's name was changed because the infant Toby Froud would only react to his own name.

Moment of Wonder
I’ve shown the Within You scenes too many times on this board and Magic Dance showed up in musicals.  So here are all the hidden Jareths in the movie.
 https://www.youtube.com/v/YCmdYCrHXoc
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 11:46:06 PM
Our heroes look around them.  They are in the mouth of the cavern, just about 10 meters away from the exit.  Our heroes, tired and weary, begin to lip towards the exit.  But from deep inside the labyrinth is a bellow of "NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!  NO ONE TAKES MY TOYS FROM ME UNTIL I'M DONE!"

The black smoke emerges from the labyrinth and floats in front of the exist to the cave.  He takes an even larger form, one that would not have been possible in the relatively tight confines of the labyrinth.

"GET BACK IN THERE!  I AM YOUR GOD NOW! DIE FOR ME!"

"Buddy", Crump smirked, "You clearly missed out on who we were for the duration of our trip.  Let's remind you."
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 24, 2013, 11:48:02 PM
 
Back off, man. I'm a scientist.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/70d1e61550a1336db923f54b5326c644/tumblr_mlgyawT7cS1qclzbio1_400.jpg)
 Number 3 Ghostbusters   
(137 Points on 8 of 14 lists. Top Vote #3 by Johnny Unusual)

 Plot:   
Three odd-ball scientists get kicked out of their cushy positions at a university in New York City where they studied the occult. They decide to set up shop in an old firehouse and become Ghostbusters, trapping pesky ghosts, spirits, haunts, and poltergeists for money. They wise-crack their way through the city, and stumble upon a gateway to another dimension, one which will release untold evil upon the city. The Ghostbusters are called on to save the Big Apple.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Slimer – This reminds me, we really need to do an LoC of top 50 ghosts around Halloween time.

Gozer – After watching Labyrinth… I think her part might have been meant for David Bowie.  Or Christopher Lee.

Zuul and Vince Cortho – If you have the DVD or Blu Ray, I love the deleted scene from the end of the movie between Dana and Louis.  “Did we—“ “No, Louis.”

Trivia Notes:
Gozer was originally going to be played by Paul Reubens (I was way off), who turned down the role. In the original script, Gozer took on the form of Ivo Shandor (the ghost building's architect, who started the original Gozer cult), who resembled a pale, slender, unremarkable man in a business suit.

The original script had a budding romance between the cynical receptionist Janine and the blissfully out of it Egon, but most of it was edited out of the film. The special edition DVD features a deleted scene of Janine giving Egon a coin for luck before he goes off with the other Ghostbusters to fight Gozer; they are interrupted by Venkman. The relationship between Janine and Egon was explored more in the animated series that followed.

The Stay-Puft marshmallow man was originally supposed to come up out of the water right next to The Statue of Liberty, to get a contrast of size, but the scene was too hard to shoot.

In the middle of the film's initial release, to keep interest going, Ivan Reitman had a trailer run, which was basically the commercial the Ghostbusters' use in the movie, but with the 555 number replaced with a 1-800 number, allowing people to call. They got a recorded message of Bill Murray and Dan Aykroyd saying something to the effect of "Hi. We're out catching ghosts right now." They got 1,000 calls per hour, 24 hours a day, for six weeks.

The original premise of Ghost Busters had three main characters: John Belushi, Dan Aykroyd and Eddie Murphy. They fought ghosts in S.W.A.T. like suits using wands instead of guns. The ghost named Slimer was known as 'Onionhead', and at the end of the movie the Ghostbusters franchise was all over the United States. John Candy also was slated to play Louis. However, with Belushi's death and characters (don’t you mean actors, guy from IMDB where I took this from?) backing out, the script was rewritten and new actors cast.

Moment of Wonder
I always like the montages: both of them getting famous and successful and of the ghosts escaping to New York.  Still, here’s Slimer:
 https://www.youtube.com/v/7_pR6mUYtOo
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2013, 12:02:14 AM
The heroes once again strike at the enemy, but with them severely weakened, Blackeyes has a definite advantage.  Just as it looks like he is about to cast a spell to cast a final blow, Spearmint throws another potion at the enemy's head.  It misses, exploding behind him.  But suddenly Blackeyes begins to scream in pain.  It seems that the explosion made the cavern entrance bigger, exposing Blackeyes to the outside world.  It isn't clear whether it is the light, the air or just being outside, but he clearly hates it.

Then Coal Stratum sings a song to increase the strength of our hero as they use the last of their strength to bring down the weakened ghoul.  Suddenly, having crawled up to it's neck, Richardella sticks the back of his neck with a final blow.  Blackeyes falls.  The strange wizard is dead.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2013, 12:03:09 AM
 
I'm a reasonable guy. But, I've just experienced some very unreasonable things.
(http://www.filmonpaper.com/site/media/2011/05/BigTroubleinLittleChina_quad_UK_Bysouth-1.jpg)
 Number 2 Big Trouble in Little China   
(146 Points on 8 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Compound)

 Plot:   
When trucker Jack Burton agreed to take his friend Wang Chi to pick up his fiancee at the airport, he never expected to get involved in a supernatural battle between good and evil. Wang's fiancee has emerald green eyes, which make her a perfect target for an immortal sorcerer named Lo Pan and his three invincible cronies. Lo Pan must marry a girl with green eyes so he can regain his physical form. Now, Jack must save Wang's fiancee from Lo Pan and his henchmen, and win back his stolen truck. But how can he defeat an enemy who has no body?

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Lo Pan – Maybe someone should have told him about the fact that green eyes are very common, then maybe he wouldn’t spend all that time bodiless.
   
The Three Storms – Lightning, Rain and the guy who inflates and explodes.

That one thing – Jeez, what is that thing?

That other thing – That’s even weirder than the first thing!

Trivia Notes:
According to John Carpenter in the DVD Commentary, Carter Wong, who plays Thunder, actually worked as a martial arts instructor with the Hong Kong Police. Then he inflated and exploded.  That was weird.

The Truck Driven by Jack (Kurt Russell) - the "Pork Chop Express" - is a Freightliner FLC 120

In the Italian dubbing of the movie the quote "Yeah, and a wise man has enough sense to get in out of the rain!" is dubbed as if it was Jack Burton's line, not Egg Shen's.

In the DVD Commentary, John Carpenter jokingly says that Kurt Russell's character Jack Burton is the hero of the movie, but other than killing Lo Pan and saving Wang when he shoots the guard, he is more of a sidekick throughout the movie. (That’s actually what I like about the movie)

The rivalry between the Chang Sing and Wing Kong Tongs is analogous to the famous rivalry between the Hip Sing and On Leong Tongs (even the names rhyme) in early 20th century New York.

Moment of Wonder
Everybody fight!
 https://www.youtube.com/v/u4BvCC28SaU
 Oh, and this guy inflates and explodes
https://www.youtube.com/v/wDSJuTlAqw4
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2013, 12:05:46 AM
It seemed over... but as Blackeyes blood spilled into the earth, it began to rumble.  Suddenly, the cavern floor began to collapse into a big pit.  The labyrinth was gone.  Our weakened heroes ran out just to time to avoid being dragged down into it.

"Well what do we do now?" Asked Richardella.

"Well," said Coal "Living happily ever after comes to mind."
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2013, 12:06:59 AM
As You Wish
(http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/79/MPW-39992)
Number 1 : The Princess Bride
(198 points on 9 of 14 lists. Top Vote #1 by Cole Stratton, Johnny Unusual and Mrs. Dick Courier)

Plot:
A lawful good grandfather sits down with his chaotic good grandson and reads him a story. The story is one that has been passed down from father to son for generations. As the grandfather reads the story, the action comes alive. The story is a classic tale of love and adventure as the beautiful Buttercup, engaged to the odious Prince Humperdinck, is kidnapped and held against her will in order to start a war. It is up to Westley (her childhood beau, now returned as the Dread Pirate Roberts) to save her. On the way he faces her kidnapper and his hired helpers, an accomplished swordsman and a huge, super strong giant.  But once Westley saves Buttercup, they find that they find their love threatened by Humperdinck.

Magical Spells, Artifacts and Monsters

Inago's Sword - Not magical, but none has seen its equal.

The Machine - Can steal years of your life.  If you have used it, please, in detail, tell me how you feel.

True Love - Can only be delayed by death, but not stopped.

Trivia Notes:
Mandy Patinkin revealed that acting out Inigo's quest to avenge his father's murder brought back memories of losing his own father to cancer in 1972. He said that when filming the scene when Inigo kills "The Six-Fingered Man" he felt like he had just "killed" the cancer that killed his father. This is awesome!

When Count Rugen hits Westley over the head, Cary Elwes told Christopher Guest to go ahead and hit him for real. Guest hit him hard enough to shut down production for a day while Elwes went to the hospital.

While never stated in the movie, according to the screenplay the grandson and grandfather live in the Chicago suburb of Evanston, Illinois. This explains the Walter Payton Chicago Bears #34 jersey worn by the grandson, the Chicago Cubs pennant andWilliam Perry poster on the wall and the Chicago White Sox cap hanging in the room.

Mandy Patinkin claims that the only injury he sustained during the entire filming of this movie was a bruised rib due to stifling his laughter in his scenes with Billy Crystal.

Max and Valerie, played by Billy Crystal and Carol Kane respectively, were named after author William Goldman's parents, Max and Valerie.

Moment of Wonder
So many great moments and fantastical elements, but nothing is more amazing as a kiss of true love.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Bj9LGlWybG4
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2013, 12:08:14 AM
THE END

*Whew*

Alright, hope you had a good time.  Feel free to post your lsts now, talk about your favourites and, of course, prepare for the next LoC

Top 50 Cover Songs!  Hosted by SicGirl!
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Raven on June 25, 2013, 12:36:57 AM
I had 9 outta the top 10 on my list.  Labyrinth made 11 of 14.  That's pretty impressive. 

Here's mine. 

1.  Who Framed Roger Rabbit? (Still amazed this movie got made.)
2.  Interview with the Vampire (a little bit of a fringe title for the category but what the hell)
3.  Being John Malkovich (Malkovich is a much better any-word than Smurf)
4.  Princess Bride (I still make people watch this who haven't seen it before)
5.  Monte Python and the Holy Grail (picked this one over Time Bandits.  Going for diversity.)
6.  Wizard of Oz (still amazing and my Mother-in-law has a room in her house dedicated to this movie.)
7.  Groundhogs Day (I can watch this movie over and over and that's saying something given how much things repeat in it.)
8.  sixth sense (fantasy isn't my favorite category so I went outside the box again)
9.  Willow (Grew up loving Willow, and I remember hearing that Warwick Davis hung himself on the Hollywood sign shortly after it's release.)
10. Ghostbusters (quote from this movie ALL the time)
11. Big (not quite as cool as Groundhog Day but also a cool premise)
12. Death Becomes Her (Not surprised it didn't crack the top 50 but a good comedy)
13. Big Fish (loved the reveal of the actual people during the funeral)
14. Beauty and the Beast (Nominated for Best Picture for a reason)
15. secret of nihm (Watched a ton as a kid but not really since)
16. Pan's Labyrinth (amazing visuals as always)
17. Big Trouble in Little China (wonder what Mortal Kombat raiden would look like if not for this film)
18. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon (visually stunning)
19. Alice in Wonderland Disney (Watching this as an adult is completely different than I remembered it as a kid)
20. Lady in the Water (Really enjoyed this despite a lot of people hating it)
21. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (picked the first one as the whole series deserved inclusion)
22. Sucker Punch (Loved the newer versions of the songs although the fight scenes could have been more varied)
23. Labyrinth (favorite part was the fumigating for faeries)
24. Lord of the Rings Fellowship of the Ring (Return of the King was the best until the 7 different endings so I went with this one)
25. Never Ending Story
(Falcor is all I remembered but this was also tailor made for this category.


Nice job with the story and write-ups Johnny. :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2013, 12:49:45 AM
Thanks.  Much appreciated.

I was going to post my list, but I accidentally left it at work.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Tripe on June 25, 2013, 06:09:17 AM
I think I've highlighted or called out in the correct order no? I did pretty well on this one really. :)

1.   Excalibur
2.   The Flight of Dragons

3.   Blackbeard’s Ghost
4.   Big Trouble In Little China
5.   Conan The Barbarian

6.   John Carter
7.   Bell, Book and Candle

8.   The Adventures of Baron Munchausen
9.   Hellboy
10.   Willow
11.   Labyrinth

12.   Cat People (1982)
13.   The Dark Crystal
14.   Clash of the Titan

15.   The Golden Voyage of Sinbad
16.   Jason And The Argonauts
17.   City of Lost Children
18.   The Princess Bride

19.   Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
20.   Return To Oz
21.   The Craft
22.   Darby O’Gill and the Little People

23.   Stardust
24.   Pirates of the Caribean: Curse of the Black Pearl
25.   Kiki’s Delivery Service


Good work Johnny. :)
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: tejava joe on June 25, 2013, 06:36:24 AM
#1 Princess Bride? Shame on all of you. 

Awesome read. 
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2013, 06:50:01 AM
It's been so long, I don't know how well it really holds up, but I was amazed Return to Oz didn't make it.

Watched a lot of these in preparation and rewatched some for the heck of it.  Ghostbusters, Labyrinth and Big Trouble in Little China, though as much as I love John Carpenter, there's something... messy about the movie.  Can't put my finger on it.  One thing I forgot about and loved, though, as wheelchair bound Lo Pan.  A really fun villain.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Pak-Man on June 25, 2013, 07:05:22 AM
I love Ghostbusters and Roger Rabbit to death (If I haven't made that obvious) but they didn't make my list just because I don't associate them with fantasy. I see where they are, and I wouldn't contest their place on this list, but if someone comes up to me and says, "I feel like watching a fantasy movie!" I'd go through a lot of other movies before I got to Ghostbusters.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Starman! on June 25, 2013, 09:33:49 AM
Here's my list

1. E.T.
2. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
3. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
4. Brazil
5. The Wizard of Oz
6. King Kong (1933)
7. Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
8. The Princess Bride
9. Dogma
10. Jurassic Park
11. Beauty and the Beast
12. Ghostbusters
13. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
14. Alice in Wonderland (1951)
15. Time Bandits
16. Yellow Submarine
17. Cinderella
18. Jason and the Argonauts
19. The Mask
20. Wings of Desire
21. Eraserhead
22. The Incredible Mr. Limpet
23. Sleeping Beauty
24. Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure
25. The Seventh Seal
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Darth Geek on June 25, 2013, 10:44:51 AM
Here's my list.

1. LOTR:Fellowship of the Ring
2. Strings
3. Nightmare Before Christmas
4. Big Trouble In Little China
5. LOTR: Return of the King
6. Ghostbusters
7. Muppet Christmas Carol
8. Dark Crystal
9. Army of Darkness
10. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
11. Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
12. In The Mouth Of Madness
13. Nightmare On Elm Street
14. Clash of the Titans (1981)
15. LOTR: The Two Towers
16. Pirates of the Carribean: Curse of the Black Pearl
17. Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest
18. Hellboy
19. Labyrinth
20. Pumpkinhead
21. Jason and the Argonauts
22. Return to Oz

Of the ones I had that didn't make it, EVERYONE should go out and give Strings a watch. An absolutely amazing film. A sweeping dramatic action epic, done all in marionettes, and done seriously (not like Team America).

http://www.youtube.com/v/oHa1BqcNYQc



Oh, and for the record, my "eeeevil plot" you dicks killed me over? It was to make you all watch LOTS of iRiffs.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Starman! on June 25, 2013, 12:10:03 PM
Yeah, The Princess Bride is overrated, but I still like it. It's overrated-ness doesn't make me as mad as Forrest Gump's level of overrated does
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Tripe on June 25, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
Yeah I don't think it's super awesome but it's fun and quotable and has a lot of cultural weight, which is why it arrived on my list, just down in the low scores.

Everyone should see Blackbeard's Ghost though. ;)
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: ColeStratton on June 25, 2013, 04:10:03 PM
Nice list, people. The Princess Bride is NOT overrated. It is a lovely gem of a movie that holds up. I don't want to start down the overrated path, or I'll start whining about three seventeen hour movies where people walk and walk and walk and walk and walk and walk some more. (I don't hate them, I just find them to be unnecessarily long).

My list:

1.   The Princess Bride
2.   Stardust
3.   Big Trouble in Little China
4.   Defending Your Life
5.   Ghostbusters
6.   The Neverending Story
7.   Army of Darkness
8.   The Last Unicorn
9.   Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey
10.   Labyrinth
11.   Willow
12.   Time Bandits
13.   The City of Lost Children
14.   Who Framed Roger Rabbit

15.   Return to Oz
16.   The 7th Voyage of Sinbad
17.   Midnight in Paris
18.   Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire
19.   Donnie Darko
20.   It’s a Wonderful Life
21.   The Adventures of Baron Munchausen
22.   Clash of the Titans (80s version)

23.   Dragonslayer
24.   Krull
25.   Legend
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2013, 04:19:15 PM
I don't want to start down the overrated path, or I'll start whining about three seventeen hour movies where people walk and walk and walk and walk and walk and walk some more. (I don't hate them, I just find them to be unnecessarily long).

Hey, I liked Chariots of Fire 2: the Walkathon!
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Mrs. Dick Courier on June 25, 2013, 04:42:19 PM
Princess Bride overated.  Them's fightin words.

I still love it, almost 30 years later.  Rewatched it the other day with my cousin's 12 year old girl.  She loved it so much we watched it again.  It is multi-generational. 

And it still gives me hope that true love still exists.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Zombie Monty on June 25, 2013, 04:52:40 PM
Here is my list:

1. Toy Story 3
2. The Wizard Of Oz
3. Who Framed Roger Rabbit
4. Groundhog Day
5. The Prestige
6. Monsters, Inc.
7. Babe
8. The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
9. Up
10. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
11. Heaven Can Wait
12. Defending Your Life
13. Willow
14. All of Me
15. Time Bandits
16. Brave
17. Time After Time
18. Ghost
19. Mannequin
20. Big Trouble in Little China
21. Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
22. Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
23. Labyrinth
24. Matilda
25. Xanadu
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2013, 04:54:03 PM
Anyway, having rewatched Princess Bride recently, it does have some very small flaws; the Mark Knopfer score oscillates in quality from good to cheesy synth (cheesy kind of works for this old fashioned Errol Flynn tale but synth... well, as much as I love DEVO and the Talking Heads, new wave has a lot to answer for.) but the flaws are very small (nay, insignificant) considering how wonderful it is with telling a solid story that both shows respect for fairy tales and also toys with them.  The way it plays with the narrative is also a lot of fun.  (Especially when the grandpa explains that Humperdinck lives).  It's just an overall very satisfying and rewatchable movie.  I can understand someone being turned off by great movies simply because people yak on and on about them too much (or in some cases, by having lame sequels.  I'm looking at you, Austin Powers), but for me, Princess Bride isn't just nostalgia (or the Dark Crystal would have done better), it's a wonderful mix of mocking the naive fairy tale ideas of love and embracing them without missing a beat.

Rewatching Labyrinth, there's one line of dialogue that is at the end that stuck with me, which I used for the quote.

"I don't know why, but every now and again in my life - for no reason at all - I need you. All of you." 

How is that not perfect for so many of these movies?
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: CJones on June 25, 2013, 05:05:56 PM
I totally spaced on The Princess Bride and The Wizard of OZ. OTOH, I'm surprised Legend and Krull didn't make it. Also, no Star Wars?!

And I'll have to check out Strings. Looks interesting.

1 Pan's Labyrinth
2 The Secret of NIMH
3 The City of Lost Children
4 Princess Mononoke
5 The Dark Crystal
6 Lord of the Rings (The series as a whole, but if I have to pick one, Return of the King)
7 Time Bandits
8 The Flight of Dragons

9 Star Wars (again, the entire original trilogy, but if I have to pick one, A New Hope)
10 The Adventures of Baron Munchausen
11 Beetlejuice

12 Twice Upon a Time (If you were a child of the 80s with HBO, you know this. If not, my condolances)
13 Legend
14 Krull
15 The Thief and The Cobbler (The Recobbled Cut. NOT the God awful Matthew Broderick version)
16 Spirited Away
17 Labyrinth
18 Willow
19 The Last Unicorn

20 Event Horizon
21 Enchanted
22 The Little Mermaid
23 The Neverending Story
24 Fire & Ice
25 Heavy Metal

Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
1. The Princess Bride
2. Excalibur
3. Ghostbusters
4. Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
5. Groundhog Day
6. Pan’s Labyrinth
7. Toy Story 3
8. Monty Python and the Holy Grail

9. It’s a Wonderful Life (this one almost squeeked in, I believe)
10. Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World
11. Labyrinth

12. Coraline (I was expecting this to do better)
13. Brave
14. Pleasantville (This one is just great.  Though it seems odd that this )
15. Princess Mononoke
16. Time Bandits
17. Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
18. Army of Darkness   
19. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
20. The Dark Crystal

21. Yellow Submarine
22. Beauty and the Beast (1946) (check it out, it's pretty great.  Warning: French)
23. Jason and the Argonauts
24. The 7th Voyage of Sinbad (Surprised this didn't make it, though I can see why Tripe would prefer Golden Voyage.  Tom Baker makes for a good villain)
25. Never Ending Story
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: The Lurker on June 25, 2013, 05:41:59 PM
Labyrinth got its own game in Japan.
http://www.youtube.com/v/tu_XTsZSBf4
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Charles Castle on June 25, 2013, 06:21:08 PM
This list is awesome, and the whole tied in story is hilarious.

1. Spirited Away
2. The Princess Bride
3. Delicatessen
4. Photographing Fairies
5. Time Bandits
6. Toy Story 3
7. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen
8. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
9. Wings of Desire
10. The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus
11. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
12. Groundhog Day
13. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
14. The Nightmare Before Christmas
15. Ugetsu
16. Donnie Darko
17. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
18. Excalibur
19. Dellamorte Dellamore/Cemetery Man
20. Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
21. The City of Lost Children
22. Edward Scissorhands
23. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
24. Coraline
25. Labyrinth

I actually had Defending Your Life 14th on my list, but I guess I forgot to reinsert it at some point during a ranking reshuffle. Like Pak, I excluded Ghostbusters, and some others that did well because I was not entirely convinced of their placement as fantasy. Of course, I included Excalibur on my list and excluded Monty Python and the Holy Grail, so I am not really sure what the hell I was thinking most of the time making this list.

Go watch Delicatessen and Photographing Fairies now. Or not. I will love them either way. Thanks.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 25, 2013, 09:04:06 PM
Eh, it's OK.  *shrugs*
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2013, 06:06:05 AM
The soundtrack's nicely selected. It misses the point of the novel I felt.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Starman! on June 26, 2013, 02:28:29 PM
Just for the record, I find The Lord of the Rings trilogy to be massively overrated.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Charles Castle on June 26, 2013, 02:59:00 PM
Just for the record, that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Johnny Unusual on June 26, 2013, 05:31:28 PM
I was rewatching the first half of the first one.  Ironically, I think it's best in the beginning when nothing is really happening, but we are getting to know the characters.  You know, the party and such.  Then I lose interest when we see the black riders for the third time.
Title: Re: List of Crap: Top 50 Fantasy Movies Countdown
Post by: Darth Geek on June 26, 2013, 06:42:33 PM
I don't really get all the complaints about the walking in LOTR. It's a fucking ROAD MOVIE! And in that kind of movie, it's all about the changes the characters go through in the journey. They just don't happen to have cars yet!