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Title: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: CJones on April 22, 2013, 04:20:26 PM
...Deus Ex Machina?

Let's see, a planet run by a pop music conglomerate, or a planet infested by hippies. Tough call. 
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: RockSiren on April 22, 2013, 04:42:45 PM
With you on this one...I thought about it, and I think I would prefer the Satan planet in this instance. 
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Bob on April 22, 2013, 05:20:20 PM
A planet without beer?   I'll skip on hippie world.
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Post by: Trekker4747 on April 22, 2013, 06:19:55 PM
Sigh.... Is this a "death is not an option" sort of question? Because, really, I'm not sure EITHER choice is good. 

I guess I'll stay on the dystopia planet but maybe move to Canada or something.

Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: beavis2323 on April 22, 2013, 07:46:47 PM
Sigh.... Is this a "death is not an option" sort of question? Because, really, I'm not sure EITHER choice is good. 

I guess I'll stay on the dystopia planet but maybe move to Canada or something.
i dont think moving to canada wont do any good
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: RockSiren on April 22, 2013, 07:49:23 PM
Yeah, weren't those two doofuses FROM Canada?  But you know, I thought about her "America/Speed" song and thought it was weird that it was filmed in Germany and had almost no American actors in it...and her character was Canadian.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: garbagebuddy on April 22, 2013, 08:27:43 PM
The funny thing is when they first introduced the hippies it looked like they were passing around a reefer. Dr. Carroll would not approve.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Lembach on April 23, 2013, 01:28:00 AM
It's a very tough call. On one hand, I hate dirty hippies and all their tofu peace and love crap. On the other, the BIM dystopia has the mandatory "drop everything and workout" thing.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Beyond the Riff on April 23, 2013, 10:40:40 AM
The hippie cave re-uses the hell dream-sequence set. Which might be ironic if it weren't for the fact it's just a cheap-ass movie.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Rabbi Hi-Keeba on April 25, 2013, 05:33:54 PM
I'd rather live on a planet with rock music and sex. There's an implication that if you want to be a brainwashed BIMbot, you can get free speed so that your workout goes faster and easier.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Darth Geek on April 25, 2013, 06:18:08 PM
I would hardly consider the shitty music the BIM bands play to be a good example of rock music to make it worth staying.

And the thing to me about the hippies at the end is that THEY LITERALLY DO NOTHING in the movie. Suddenly there is a group of them, we learn absolutely nothing about that particular society or what they do. So everything you take away from that is based on your initial perceptions of the steretypical hippie. They aren't shown as good, bad, or anything. The movie just kind of assumes that you are going to this as good. And really, stereotypical hippies have a lot in common with the BIM corporation given both of them are so encouraging of drug use and wild sex.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Trekker4747 on April 25, 2013, 07:28:13 PM
I mean, if these are you usual, stereotypical, 1970s hippies there's a good chance their planet is going to quickly smell like BO and hemp.  No thanks, I'd rather live in a place that has proper grooming habits, where people shave and with a distinct lack of sandals/flip-flops.  Sure, the Bim planet might be... A bit fascist? Or something? I'm really not sure what it was.  It's a law that I have to wear some stupid triangle sticker on my person or risk an annoy fine?  Great, I'll take that over a place constantly filled with bongo music and acoustic guitar.

Were supposed to "like" the hippies only by virtue of the fact that they're not the fascist 1984-like people. But for all we know they could be complete asshats with even worse ideas.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Rabbi Hi-Keeba on April 25, 2013, 07:32:20 PM
I believe you mean the fascist 19***9***4 people (SNERK!!)
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: RockSiren on April 26, 2013, 05:23:32 AM
The best thing about the hippies is...they have no profession.  Sitting in the park seems to be all they do!
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Mark A. Siefert on April 26, 2013, 09:13:43 AM
I imagine that "The BIM Hour" is what most Republicans think how Michelle Obama's anti-obesity campaign will work.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: RockSiren on April 26, 2013, 09:25:42 AM
If such an abomination were to happen, I would hope there would at least be more than one song.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: losingmydignity on April 27, 2013, 06:44:03 PM
The best thing about the hippies is...they have no profession.  Sitting in the park seems to be all they do!


Well, what with all the fires, I'm guessing they are pre-Burning Man. Well, at least they're not total Burners. No bad art in sight.
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Post by: RockSiren on April 27, 2013, 08:54:21 PM
LOL did you see the clothes, do those count?
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: losingmydignity on April 27, 2013, 08:58:33 PM
Well, the irony here is that BIM's (hmmm, suddenly hungry for Korean Bibimbop) are the ones who dress like Burners.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: LuvBJones on April 27, 2013, 11:48:09 PM
So, the BIM takeover carries the Devil/Forbidden Fruit motif through to The End Times where the Antichrist (named Boogalow, presumably more entertainment-y than Beelzebub) forces everyone to accept his mark and joins the world under a single rule.  The Devil's checkmate on humanity was instigated by the 1994 Worldvision contest, which clearly refers to the Eurovision song contest, which is more threatening to our individual freedoms than the  UN and free bicycle programs combined. Finally, the Deux Ex Mercedes comes down and raptures up all the hippies, who seemed to keep their souls simply by camping illegally and sparking a doob. Everyone else loses their souls by dancing to disappointing choreography. And another thing! Why did the actors in this seem like the same actors in Space Mutiny? Is there a farm where they raise these people? And why were all the females dressed conservatively, even by showgirl standards, while the men were stripped down to their plum smugglers? Was this movie earnest in its irony, or ironic in its earnestness? WHY WON"T THIS MOVIE LET ME SLEEP ANYMORE?  :gouge:

PS: Dandi and Pandi are Gog and Magog. I think Shake is just a lame play on the word snake. I did like his snake hood costume, and I ADORED his Amazing Stories robe! And how does this movie get away with Pandi finding redemption by date raping Alphie? I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way, unless it's some kind of O.T. sacrifice of the innocents thing. Why did they name God Mr. Topp? Top Cat? On Top of Old Smokey? Top male seeks Bottom? This movie goes far deeper than any of us are willing to admit, MUCH deeper! I'll seal off the bathroom, you get some Kleenex boxes for shoes, you cover the windows in tinfoil, and for GOD'S sake don't use your cell phones!
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Darth Geek on April 28, 2013, 06:55:02 AM
So, the BIM takeover carries the Devil/Forbidden Fruit motif through to The End Times where the Antichrist (named Boogalow, presumably more entertainment-y than Beelzebub) forces everyone to accept his mark and joins the world under a single rule.  The Devil's checkmate on humanity was instigated by the 1994 Worldvision contest, which clearly refers to the Eurovision song contest, which is more threatening to our individual freedoms than the  UN and free bicycle programs combined. Finally, the Deux Ex Mercedes comes down and raptures up all the hippies, who seemed to keep their souls simply by camping illegally and sparking a doob. Everyone else loses their souls by dancing to disappointing choreography. And another thing! Why did the actors in this seem like the same actors in Space Mutiny? Is there a farm where they raise these people? And why were all the females dressed conservatively, even by showgirl standards, while the men were stripped down to their plum smugglers? Was this movie earnest in its irony, or ironic in its earnestness? WHY WON"T THIS MOVIE LET ME SLEEP ANYMORE?  :gouge:

PS: Dandi and Pandi are Gog and Magog. I think Shake is just a lame play on the word snake. I did like his snake hood costume, and I ADORED his Amazing Stories robe! And how does this movie get away with Pandi finding redemption by date raping Alphie? I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way, unless it's some kind of O.T. sacrifice of the innocents thing. Why did they name God Mr. Topp? Top Cat? On Top of Old Smokey? Top male seeks Bottom? This movie goes far deeper than any of us are willing to admit, MUCH deeper! I'll seal off the bathroom, you get some Kleenex boxes for shoes, you cover the windows in tinfoil, and for GOD'S sake don't use your cell phones!
You're not supposed to think directly at it.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: RockSiren on April 28, 2013, 09:06:22 AM
As quoted from the Devils Hand- "finally a cult where fat guys can sway all they want."

And I think its pretty pompous to be so "down on America" when-

1.) it was filmed in Germany- hence the odd compliation of ambiguous accents ala Space Mutiny
2.) the "main and good" characters are from Canada
3.) none of the "main and featured" actors, aside from Shake, are from the USA.  They are from Germany, Canada, Russia, Jamaica, the UK (including "God" and Professor Landlady Sprout there (was she ever young?) and miscellaneous other lands



Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 28, 2013, 09:51:25 AM
Professor Landlady Sprout there (was she ever young?)

She was born in 41, so you'd have to find some of her work on TV in the 60s.
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Post by: RockSiren on April 28, 2013, 10:02:57 AM
Ah lol. 
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: losingmydignity on April 28, 2013, 11:51:40 AM
I was in West Berlin in the 90's. People dressed a lot weirder than the BIM's. It was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Sugar Ray Dodge on April 30, 2013, 09:35:51 PM
In an odd way, I actually kinda like the ending of the movie. I mean, yeah, it was executed rather stupidly, but I have a soft spot for scenes in which people either find their faith and/or have it validated. Being a person of faith, I appreciate what they were trying to do, I guess is a better way of putting it, even if they did it in a very, very stupid way. I think that if you're going to create Biblical allegories, it might be best to just drop the allegory and adapt an actual Bible story. There's enough of them...
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Sugar Ray Dodge on April 30, 2013, 09:41:07 PM
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Dandi and Pandi are Gog and Magog.

Is that who they were supposed to be? If so, they kinda sucked at it... which I guess would be consistent with the rest of Biblical allegories in the movie. I know that Alfie and Bibi were supposed to be some kind of super weird Adam and Eve, Boogaloo was the Devil and Shake... I'm still not sure who I think he is yet. He could be A LOT of different dudes, honestly.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: losingmydignity on May 01, 2013, 12:58:32 PM
God help us, I just realized Terence Malick's Tree of Life has the same ending (and themes) as The Apple...
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: LuvBJones on May 01, 2013, 08:41:05 PM
"Is that who they were supposed to be? If so, they kinda sucked at it... which I guess would be consistent with the rest of Biblical allegories in the movie. I know that Alfie and Bibi were supposed to be some kind of super weird Adam and Eve, Boogaloo was the Devil and Shake... I'm still not sure who I think he is yet. He could be A LOT of different dudes, honestly." [sorry, my quote buttons aren't working]

Well, the consistency in Biblical allegories in The Apple must be in the inconsistency. The random mingling of Genesis and Revelations kind of gave me whiplash. I think the movie was trying to be genuine in its message, but in a somewhat underinformed way. I think its telling that Golan & Globus made an end times allegory that featured entertainment lawyers as the front line of the Devil's army!
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: Sugar Ray Dodge on May 01, 2013, 09:21:01 PM
Yeah, I found the Revelations allegories strange since the director is an Israeli Orthodox Jew. Mr. Topps is sort of consistent with the God from the Old Testament, especially since there is no real New Testament Christ figure in the movie. Topps, though, didn't really smite anybody. I also found it weird that he was on speaking terms with Boogaloo, in that they speak to each other very casually, like they see each other all the time and aren't terribly hostile with one another. And Boogaloo did NOTHING to stop the Topps' disciples from following the Heavenly pimp car. But I guess I'm thinking about it way too much.
Title: Re: Is this the first movie to have a literal...
Post by: LuvBJones on May 02, 2013, 02:32:14 PM
You said smite!