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Title: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 05, 2012, 09:22:39 PM
Landing in one Hour!

(http://i.imgur.com/Y6sh7.jpg)

Some live shows going on.  There is no live video of the actual landing, more important things to do, like land.  The live shows will be from JPL Mission control.  We will know about 7 minutes after it actually lands if landing went well (entire landing is automated).  There will probably not be pictures for several hours.

That said, NASA has an amazing program called Eyes on the Solar System.  They have set up a special "live" simulation of the entire landing sequence that you can watch from now, until landing.

http://eyes.jpl.nasa.gov/


NASA TV
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/edu_flash.html

Bunch of famous astronomy nerds live show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrJT1d1BKhw&feature=player_embedded

Size Comparison to previous rovers:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/PIA15279_3rovers-stand_D2011_1215_D521.jpg/800px-PIA15279_3rovers-stand_D2011_1215_D521.jpg)
Fun Fact:  Rover Opportunity (upper left) landed in 2004, with a planned mission life of 90 days and it's still going today.

Video of the landing:  Due to size, they could not use the airbag method of older rovers.
http://www.youtube.com/v/a4YqNoLkmxE





Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 05, 2012, 10:19:57 PM
Currently I'm getting horrible buffering on the Ustream feeds, but the feed on the nasa TV website is still good:

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Compound on August 05, 2012, 10:29:36 PM
Damn you, NASA. You made me run out to the store and buy peanuts. Curse your superstitious ways!
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 05, 2012, 10:38:09 PM
Landing successful.  First HD pictures will take hours to come in.  One single picture from a camera under the Rover has been sent back, confirming it is on the ground safely.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 05, 2012, 10:40:05 PM
Wow, this is awesome. All those people are so freakin' excited. They're like a bunch of giddy schoolkids. Everybody's jumping up and down, yelling and hugging. Pretty uplifting stuff. The whole lead up to the landing was pretty exciting, too.

GO NASA!!!
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Danecho1967 on August 05, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
First time I've ever seen a control room filled with real people (not actors) stand up and cheer in unison.  More grown men crying and hugging each other than...  I'll just stop there.

It was a cool moment to see.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Compound on August 05, 2012, 10:46:02 PM
Lousy emotionless jerks at NASA.

(http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8163/curious1.png)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 05, 2012, 10:50:20 PM
The 2 images look good, it's on it's wheels.

It was such a complicated landing, amazing it all worked.

Bill Nye at planetfest 2012 is pretty stoked.  That's another cool feed.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 05, 2012, 10:51:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KwP9V.png)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Compound on August 05, 2012, 11:00:11 PM
Here's NASA's raw feed page from Curiosity.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Lembach on August 05, 2012, 11:04:22 PM
No Martian (or Decepticon) face in the first pictures was a tad disappointing. But I won't deny I'm pretty proud of NASA right now.  ;D
lol @ One of the techs shouting "SIX YEARS OF TENSION RELEASED!"
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: ig88ftw on August 05, 2012, 11:12:47 PM
Watched this on Xbox Live. So proud of NASA right now :)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 05, 2012, 11:13:49 PM
Here's NASA's raw feed page from Curiosity.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/

Can't get in, looks like it has crashed again.  I was going to get the right and left images and make red/blue images but it will have to wait until tomorrow.  I did that a lot for Pathfinder, the last twin missions they released pretty good 3D images, hope they do that for this mission also, but where they landed is pretty flat, it will be a while until they drive to more interesting terrain.

Here are the 3D images I made from the pathfinder raw images: http://www.science.widener.edu/mars3d/index.html

Just realized Pathfinder was 15 years ago, how is that possible?
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 05, 2012, 11:30:57 PM
No Martian (or Decepticon) face in the first pictures was a tad disappointing. But I won't deny I'm pretty proud of NASA right now.  ;D
lol @ One of the techs shouting "SIX YEARS OF TENSION RELEASED!"

Important photoshops first. 

Like ponies.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8bk8h5mHW1r5mwwuo1_400.png)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Lembach on August 05, 2012, 11:36:46 PM
No Martian (or Decepticon) face in the first pictures was a tad disappointing. But I won't deny I'm pretty proud of NASA right now.  ;D
lol @ One of the techs shouting "SIX YEARS OF TENSION RELEASED!"

Important photoshops first. 

Like ponies.


Overload the probe's plutonium core. Destruct sequence 3, code 1 B-2B-3.

(Also: zomg post 666!)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Compound on August 06, 2012, 01:13:12 AM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/curiosity.png)

And some helpful advice from Mr. Munroe:
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As of this writing the NASA/JPL websites are still overloaded. Trying CURIOSITY-REAR-CAM_[256px_x_256px].torrent.SwEsUb.DVDRip.XviD-aXXo.jpg instead.

I'm hoping that's an actual Curiosity link, and not Munroe sending out Goatse images.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: RVR II on August 06, 2012, 05:30:02 AM
Now to search for some martian hitchhikers.. 8)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 06, 2012, 07:17:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/B8mDT.gif)

Pure elation, right there. You really couldn't help but be really happy for these folks. The culmination of many years of hard work and dedication made for an amazing and infectious energy in that room. Great stuff.

I did manage to see a few of the raw images when the feed wasn't overloaded. One, in particular, caught my interest.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Mrs. Dick Courier on August 06, 2012, 07:57:47 AM
What if there really was something there and the rover destroyed a colony or something?  I think about stuff like this.

How would we feel if some planet far away landed a couple of huge vehicles here on Earth to explore us?  We wouldn't like it, I know that for sure.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Danecho1967 on August 06, 2012, 09:10:52 AM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/DanEcho1967/Dont-let-us-out.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Compound on August 06, 2012, 10:14:48 AM
Mrs. Courier? If there was a colony of something on Mars, the chance of something the size of a ping-pong table accidentally hitting it are quite astronomical.  (No pun intended.) About a millionth of a percent. Even if my math is off drastically, it's still in the hundreds of thousands of a percent range. It's a pretty safe thing to do. Plus, NASA aimed for that crater because the area was pretty empty. (Landing on a rock is a bad thing.)

But, hey, I came to show something neat. The MRO (Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter) which is what's been taking the pictures of Mars' surface that allowed Curiosity to land, well, it caught a glimpse of the probe as it was landing.
(https://p.twimg.com/AzoBpiGCYAABbA9.png)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Darth Geek on August 06, 2012, 10:26:56 AM
What if there really was something there and the rover destroyed a colony or something?  I think about stuff like this.

How would we feel if some planet far away landed a couple of huge vehicles here on Earth to explore us?  We wouldn't like it, I know that for sure.
I was mentioning something like this (just jokingly) to someone earlier today. That the rover accidentally killed an alien, and that sparked an invasion.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 06, 2012, 10:40:19 AM
MRO got. A picture of the parachute phase.

 (http://i.imgur.com/7ESCdh.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 07, 2012, 04:18:45 AM
oreo's marketing has been on a roll lately:

(https://p.twimg.com/Azkrir-CUAE6BUM.png)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 07, 2012, 06:04:21 AM
Suddenly...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Darth Geek on August 07, 2012, 06:11:47 AM
Suddenly...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://dafina.net/forums/file.php?48,file=209917,filename=ROTFL110x85.gif)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 07, 2012, 12:36:29 PM
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/674239main_PIA16001-full_full.jpg)

so much littering. :P
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: RVR II on August 07, 2012, 12:40:19 PM
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/674239main_PIA16001-full_full.jpg)

so much littering. :P
So is curiosity gonna clean up its litter box?? :P
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: RVR II on August 07, 2012, 12:41:05 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/DanEcho1967/Dont-let-us-out.jpg)
21st Century 'Rocker Dude' :D :D
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 07, 2012, 12:46:31 PM
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/674239main_PIA16001-full_full.jpg)

so much littering. :P

(http://i.imgur.com/mCgUk.gif)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Tripe on August 07, 2012, 12:47:29 PM
oreo's marketing has been on a roll lately:

(https://p.twimg.com/Azkrir-CUAE6BUM.png)
So who will be boycotting them now?
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 07, 2012, 12:47:51 PM
bulls.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Tripe on August 07, 2012, 12:52:01 PM
Wouldn't those charge at the cookies instead?
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Lembach on August 07, 2012, 04:57:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/u3rpT.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 07, 2012, 05:07:06 PM
well, except that this is cheering for something that matters.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 07, 2012, 08:44:03 PM
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/674239main_PIA16001-full_full.jpg)

so much littering. :P
So is curiosity gonna clean up its litter box?? :P

Sky Crane go splat!

There was a question before landing about visiting the skycrane wreckage, and they said it's very unlikely, as there is probably unburnt rocket fuel and they don't want to go near that.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 07, 2012, 09:30:18 PM
There was a question before landing about visiting the skycrane wreckage, and they said it's very unlikely, as there is probably unburnt rocket fuel and they don't want to go near that.

The report I heard was 140kg of fuel was still in the tanks when the crane cut loose.   If it's all around the wreckage you wouldn't want to drive the rover through it.  Hydrazine is corrosive and reactive.  And you wouldn't want to take the chance that the metal wheels would set off the decomposition reaction that makes it a rocket fuel, even though the chances of that are slim.  Best reason is that the rover is a big chemistry lab, you wouldn't want to contaminate all of it with Hydrazine.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 08, 2012, 04:24:03 AM
oh man, the high-res version of this:

http://www.youtube.com/v/UcGMDXy-Y1I


is gonna be amazing:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

go, antenna, go! beam those little hd bits back to us!
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 08, 2012, 12:08:56 PM
They keep teasing the hi-res video!

(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/674919main_pia16021-946.jpg)

Quote
Curiosity's Heat Shield in Detail

This color full-resolution image showing the heat shield of NASA's Curiosity rover was obtained during descent to the surface of Mars on Aug. 5 PDT (Aug. 6 EDT). The image was obtained by the Mars Descent Imager instrument known as MARDI and shows the 15-foot (4.5-meter) diameter heat shield when it was about 50 feet (16 meters) from the spacecraft.

This image shows the inside surface of the heat shield, with its protective multi-layered insulation. The bright patches are calibration targets for MARDI. Also seen in this image is the Mars Science Laboratory Entry, Descent, and Landing Instrument (MEDLI) hardware attached to the inside surface.

At this range, the image has a spatial scale of 0.4 inches (1 cm) per pixel. It is the 36th MARDI image, obtained about three seconds after heat shield separation and about two and one-half minutes before touchdown. The original image from MARDI has been geometrically corrected to look flat.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 09, 2012, 04:09:07 PM
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NASA Calls It A Mission As Curiosity Rover Fills Up Whole 2-Gigabyte Memory Card

PASADENA, CA—Barely 72 hours after the landing of its Mars rover, NASA officials announced Thursday that their mission had ended, as Curiosity's two-gigabyte memory card was now filled to capacity. "Well, that's that, folks," said chief scientist John Grotzinger, explaining that after Curiosity's Mars Descent Imager took an especially high-resolution JPEG of the Aeolis Mons mountain, the $2.5-billion rover’s SanDisk card only had 0.03 GB of space remaining. "Honestly, we thought two gigs would be more than enough. That's like a 1,000 pictures, right? I guess we probably should have deleted those old Hubble photos off there before the mission." Grotzinger confirmed that even if the rover had been equipped with a larger memory card, it likely would have had only enough power for a few more hours of exploration before it had to return to Earth to have its battery recharged.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/nasa-calls-it-a-mission-as-curiosity-rover-fills-u,29115/

stupid rechargeable batteries. always ruining the fun. :angry:
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 09, 2012, 04:13:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/cHU6X.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 10, 2012, 11:27:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/l9m7v.gif)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: RVR II on August 11, 2012, 10:48:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/l9m7v.gif)
Curious Sand People :o
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: RVR II on August 11, 2012, 11:26:50 AM
McKayla is Not impressed
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/mckayla-is-not-impressedmars.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 11, 2012, 12:01:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/l9m7v.gif)

faaaaake! if you look closely, you can see two sets of tracks. obviously not real sand people.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Compound on August 11, 2012, 03:50:08 PM
There was a question before landing about visiting the skycrane wreckage, and they said it's very unlikely, as there is probably unburnt rocket fuel and they don't want to go near that.

The report I heard was 140kg of fuel was still in the tanks when the crane cut loose.   If it's all around the wreckage you wouldn't want to drive the rover through it.  Hydrazine is corrosive and reactive.  And you wouldn't want to take the chance that the metal wheels would set off the decomposition reaction that makes it a rocket fuel, even though the chances of that are slim.  Best reason is that the rover is a big chemistry lab, you wouldn't want to contaminate all of it with Hydrazine.

Forget that. I want to see the first fire started on Mars! Go for it!
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 11, 2012, 04:02:58 PM
There was a question before landing about visiting the skycrane wreckage, and they said it's very unlikely, as there is probably unburnt rocket fuel and they don't want to go near that.

The report I heard was 140kg of fuel was still in the tanks when the crane cut loose.   If it's all around the wreckage you wouldn't want to drive the rover through it.  Hydrazine is corrosive and reactive.  And you wouldn't want to take the chance that the metal wheels would set off the decomposition reaction that makes it a rocket fuel, even though the chances of that are slim.  Best reason is that the rover is a big chemistry lab, you wouldn't want to contaminate all of it with Hydrazine.

Forget that. I want to see the first fire started on Mars! Go for it!

it would be really unimpressive, given the atmosphere. i'm not sure you could even get a regular fire started. :-\
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 11, 2012, 04:14:09 PM
There was a question before landing about visiting the skycrane wreckage, and they said it's very unlikely, as there is probably unburnt rocket fuel and they don't want to go near that.

The report I heard was 140kg of fuel was still in the tanks when the crane cut loose.   If it's all around the wreckage you wouldn't want to drive the rover through it.  Hydrazine is corrosive and reactive.  And you wouldn't want to take the chance that the metal wheels would set off the decomposition reaction that makes it a rocket fuel, even though the chances of that are slim.  Best reason is that the rover is a big chemistry lab, you wouldn't want to contaminate all of it with Hydrazine.

Forget that. I want to see the first fire started on Mars! Go for it!

it would be really unimpressive, given the atmosphere. i'm not sure you could even get a regular fire started. :-\

Yeah, there's no free oxygen in the atmosphere, and hydrazine isn't one of those fuels that generates it's own (like solid fuel rockets), it needs to be catalyzed by something to break down into gases and release it's energy.  I always wondered if the atmosphere on mars is inert enough to do the light bulb trick they do in the glove boxes at work, to test if there's no oxygen or moisture in the box you carefully melt a hole in a light bulb and turn it on inside the box, if it stays lit for 24 hours it's safe to do experiments with chemicals that are air sensitive.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Thrifty on August 12, 2012, 11:15:20 AM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/8/8/z5Mray50mUuShAddBVXHOg2.jpg)

Just a thought about the cost of 2.5 billion.  The government took in 2.56 TRILLION in revenue for fiscal year 2011.  That's 1,000 times that much.  The rover costs 0.1% of the entire U.S revenue.  Scaling that down to a decent middle class wage of $50,000 per year, that'd be about $50.  That's the cost of a tank of gas for a mid sized car.  Somehow I don't think that buying one fewer tank of gas per year is gonna make the difference between life and death.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Thrifty on August 12, 2012, 11:17:37 AM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 12, 2012, 02:42:45 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

the size and the method.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 12, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

the size and the method.

BOW-CHICKA-WOW-NASA!!!
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Lembach on August 12, 2012, 08:23:11 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

It's that level of indifference that makes me believe humanity has no interest in expanding out into the universe. We're just going to sit here until an asteroid hit us.
All of humanity wiped out because we are all stuck on this one planet. Except the Chinese. They're getting their act together, it seems.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Thrifty on August 12, 2012, 08:35:50 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

It's that level of indifference that makes me believe humanity has no interest in expanding out into the universe. We're just going to sit here until an asteroid hit us.
All of humanity wiped out because we are all stuck on this one planet. Except the Chinese. They're getting their act together, it seems.
Okay first of all, not all of humanity is required to share the same interests as you. 

Secondly, where did you get that I am apathetic about space exploration as a whole?  My point was that this isn't the moon landing; we've done this before.  I want to know why people are so excited about this particular mission.  Goflyblind explained it a bit, though I'm not sure I totally get it.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 12, 2012, 08:57:15 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

It's that level of indifference that makes me believe humanity has no interest in expanding out into the universe. We're just going to sit here until an asteroid hit us.
All of humanity wiped out because we are all stuck on this one planet. Except the Chinese. They're getting their act together, it seems.
Okay first of all, not all of humanity is required to share the same interests as you. 

Secondly, where did you get that I am apathetic about space exploration as a whole?  My point was that this isn't the moon landing; we've done this before.  I want to know why people are so excited about this particular mission.  Goflyblind explained it a bit, though I'm not sure I totally get it.

The level of complexity of this landing was extremely high, so many steps and stages to it.  And given the failure rate on missions to mars a lot of people thought this one was a bit of a reach.  Automation software has advanced pretty well so I figured if the hardware worked the landing would work, but consider all those thousands of components and connections that all had to work after being launched from Earth and traveling through space for 7? months, any one component failure and it all goes poof.  Less complicated missions have some margin for minor failures, this one had more than one stage where a minor error would have caused a crash.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Danecho1967 on August 13, 2012, 05:47:45 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

It's that level of indifference that makes me believe humanity has no interest in expanding out into the universe. We're just going to sit here until an asteroid hit us.
All of humanity wiped out because we are all stuck on this one planet. Except the Chinese. They're getting their act together, it seems.
Okay first of all, not all of humanity is required to share the same interests as you. 

Secondly, where did you get that I am apathetic about space exploration as a whole?  My point was that this isn't the moon landing; we've done this before.  I want to know why people are so excited about this particular mission.  Goflyblind explained it a bit, though I'm not sure I totally get it.

The level of complexity of this landing was extremely high, so many steps and stages to it.  And given the failure rate on missions to mars a lot of people thought this one was a bit of a reach.  Automation software has advanced pretty well so I figured if the hardware worked the landing would work, but consider all those thousands of components and connections that all had to work after being launched from Earth and traveling through space for 7? months, any one component failure and it all goes poof.  Less complicated missions have some margin for minor failures, this one had more than one stage where a minor error would have caused a crash.
Another thing:  When the project was originally planned, it had a much larger budget.  The folks involved had to be especially creative in almost every part of the design in order to get in done under budget.

Also, nerds can go around saying, "yeah, I wonder if the football players who shoved us in lockers back in high school could drop a car on Mars and not get a scratch on it!"

Or, at least, that's what I would imagine the nerds would think...
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Lembach on August 13, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

It's that level of indifference that makes me believe humanity has no interest in expanding out into the universe. We're just going to sit here until an asteroid hit us.
All of humanity wiped out because we are all stuck on this one planet. Except the Chinese. They're getting their act together, it seems.
Okay first of all, not all of humanity is required to share the same interests as you. 


Bet they'll have an interest when the 460 feet (140 meter) wide Asteroid 2011 AG5 swings by (or into) the Earth in 2040.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 13, 2012, 06:58:18 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

It's that level of indifference that makes me believe humanity has no interest in expanding out into the universe. We're just going to sit here until an asteroid hit us.
All of humanity wiped out because we are all stuck on this one planet. Except the Chinese. They're getting their act together, it seems.
Okay first of all, not all of humanity is required to share the same interests as you. 


Bet they'll have an interest when the 460 feet (140 meter) wide Asteroid 2011 AG5 swings by (or into) the Earth in 2040.

(http://i.imgur.com/1Rd48.jpg)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 13, 2012, 07:18:38 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

It's that level of indifference that makes me believe humanity has no interest in expanding out into the universe. We're just going to sit here until an asteroid hit us.
All of humanity wiped out because we are all stuck on this one planet. Except the Chinese. They're getting their act together, it seems.
Okay first of all, not all of humanity is required to share the same interests as you. 


Bet they'll have an interest when the 460 feet (140 meter) wide Asteroid 2011 AG5 swings by (or into) the Earth in 2040.

Meh, that size chunk of rock won't do much.  If made of iron maybe 1 mile wide crater, if made of lighter stuff maybe an air burst like Tunguska.   Basically equivalent to a few big storms and earthquakes mixed together.  An ocean hit might cause a nasty tsunami, that would probably be the worst case.

If you want to scare people talk about comets, like Hyakutake in 96, that thing was over 2 miles across and passed nearly over the north pole, 0.1 AU out.  If that comet had  a slightly different orbit we would all be toast right now.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Darth Geek on August 13, 2012, 07:30:55 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

It's that level of indifference that makes me believe humanity has no interest in expanding out into the universe. We're just going to sit here until an asteroid hit us.
All of humanity wiped out because we are all stuck on this one planet. Except the Chinese. They're getting their act together, it seems.
Okay first of all, not all of humanity is required to share the same interests as you. 


Bet they'll have an interest when the 460 feet (140 meter) wide Asteroid 2011 AG5 swings by (or into) the Earth in 2040.

Meh, that size chunk of rock won't do much.  If made of iron maybe 1 mile wide crater, if made of lighter stuff maybe an air burst like Tunguska.   Basically equivalent to a few big storms and earthquakes mixed together.  An ocean hit might cause a nasty tsunami, that would probably be the worst case.

If you want to scare people talk about comets, like Hyakutake in 96, that thing was over 2 miles across and passed nearly over the north pole, 0.1 AU out.  If that comet had  a slightly different orbit we would all be toast right now.
(http://art.ngfiles.com/images/101/cherushii_yeah-toast.png)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Lembach on August 13, 2012, 10:45:14 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

It's that level of indifference that makes me believe humanity has no interest in expanding out into the universe. We're just going to sit here until an asteroid hit us.
All of humanity wiped out because we are all stuck on this one planet. Except the Chinese. They're getting their act together, it seems.
Okay first of all, not all of humanity is required to share the same interests as you. 


Bet they'll have an interest when the 460 feet (140 meter) wide Asteroid 2011 AG5 swings by (or into) the Earth in 2040.

Meh, that size chunk of rock won't do much.  If made of iron maybe 1 mile wide crater, if made of lighter stuff maybe an air burst like Tunguska.   Basically equivalent to a few big storms and earthquakes mixed together.  An ocean hit might cause a nasty tsunami, that would probably be the worst case.


Further calculations show it's coming down on PENNSYLVANIA!  :speechless:

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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 13, 2012, 11:50:46 PM
I don't really understand the hulabaloo.  It's not like this is the first time we ever landed a science vessel on another planet.

It's that level of indifference that makes me believe humanity has no interest in expanding out into the universe. We're just going to sit here until an asteroid hit us.
All of humanity wiped out because we are all stuck on this one planet. Except the Chinese. They're getting their act together, it seems.
Okay first of all, not all of humanity is required to share the same interests as you. 


Bet they'll have an interest when the 460 feet (140 meter) wide Asteroid 2011 AG5 swings by (or into) the Earth in 2040.

Meh, that size chunk of rock won't do much.  If made of iron maybe 1 mile wide crater, if made of lighter stuff maybe an air burst like Tunguska.   Basically equivalent to a few big storms and earthquakes mixed together.  An ocean hit might cause a nasty tsunami, that would probably be the worst case.


Further calculations show it's coming down on PENNSYLVANIA!  :speechless:

Plenty of time to move.  Although I'll be almost 80 by then so if I make it that far I probably won't be moving that fast... ;D
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Post by: The Lurker on August 16, 2012, 07:25:31 PM
(http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/job-fails-neil-desassy-tyson-weighs-in-on-the-first-curiosity-photographs.png)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 16, 2012, 08:23:04 PM
Not sure what that image is, probably incomplete data.  I've seen some people screaming "censorship" after taking images off the raw data website that have missing blocks in them.  Due to the nature of deep space communications all data is broken down into small blocks so if there are noise problems the chances will be that some data gets through and only the blocks that get corrupted need to be resent later. 
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Post by: The Lurker on August 16, 2012, 08:24:15 PM
Not sure what that image is, probably incomplete data.  I've seen some people screaming "censorship" after taking images off the raw data website that have missing blocks in them.  Due to the nature of deep space communications all data is broken down into small blocks so if there are noise problems the chances will be that some data gets through and only the blocks that get corrupted need to be resent later. 
Look to the left side of the picture.
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Post by: Tripe on August 16, 2012, 08:25:35 PM
Also, look at who posted it. :)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 16, 2012, 08:43:49 PM
It didn't register as a joke before, I see what it's supposed to be now.  I was thinking too much about the stupid "censored" images I've seen people talking about so was treating it as real data.  Also with the pixelization used it looks sort of like a parachute, but I knew it couldn't be that.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 16, 2012, 09:25:06 PM
It gets worse.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)



Also, Team Curiosity is apparently unimpressed...because I guess that's a thing now.

(http://i.imgur.com/3EYPZ.jpg)

FULL SIZE (http://i.imgur.com/3EYPZ.jpg)


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Post by: Danecho1967 on August 16, 2012, 10:32:36 PM
It gets worse.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)



Also, Team Curiosity is apparently unimpressed...because I guess that's a thing now.

(http://i.imgur.com/3EYPZ.jpg)

FULL SIZE (http://i.imgur.com/3EYPZ.jpg)



Seriously thinking of making that my banner...
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Lembach on August 16, 2012, 10:42:48 PM
Oh? Do you dare?  ;)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 17, 2012, 04:22:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/vVLPXfF3l_U

*poof*
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Post by: goflyblind on August 18, 2012, 03:38:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/fb8RPbLU9cU

look at its swirling dust! look at its little wheel! :) :clap:
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 18, 2012, 03:40:56 PM
Holy crap, that's awesome. Well worth the wait.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 18, 2012, 05:15:35 PM
Meet N165, he's going to be the first laser victim.

(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/677538main_pia16073-43_946-710.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 19, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
Take that, rock!

(http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA16075.jpg)
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Post by: goflyblind on August 19, 2012, 05:41:20 PM
the rock's tweets are hilarious: https://twitter.com/N165Mars

The big metal creature was scary at first, with the rockets and noise, but I'm sure it's just curious. Maybe I should say hello!

Oh, I think I've got the big metal creature's attention now -- it's looking right at me! Maybe it does want to be friends!

Wait, what? Lasers...?! Hang on, you guys are just messing with me. :) Haha!

Why would a giant machine rocket down from space just to shoot at me?

My new robot friend really does have quite a steady, intimidating stare. I guess it's a cultural thing.

Huh, it seems to be getting warmer. I guess summer is coming early!
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 19, 2012, 05:43:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/9Migc.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Lembach on August 20, 2012, 01:00:52 AM
(http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00003/mcam/0003ML0000125000E1_DXXX.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on August 20, 2012, 04:10:08 AM
(http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00003/mcam/0003ML0000125000E1_DXXX.jpg)
Damn! That's some high resolution dirt there :o
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 22, 2012, 10:48:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/gZX5GRPnd4U

mind == kablooie;

sped up like that, it's even more exciting.
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Post by: MerryWanna on August 22, 2012, 11:21:56 AM
I LOVE Curiosity.

It's such a welcome relief from the bullshit news (read: election related ANYTHING) we usually see.

And whoever named it "Curiosity", instead of "Achievement" or "Excelsior" or any one of a number of synonyms for such deserves a trophy.  It's not only vastly appropriate, it's a welcome break from names invested with an overdose of gravitas.
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Post by: goflyblind on August 22, 2012, 11:28:16 AM
it was named in a contest. the winner was a twelve year-old girl from kansas.
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Post by: goflyblind on August 23, 2012, 04:59:19 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JldCQ.jpg)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 24, 2012, 08:55:28 AM
The wheels work!

(http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/images/PIA16092_Heverly1-hpfeat2.jpg)

We now have 2 rovers moving on Mars, Opportunity started driving again this week.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 24, 2012, 09:02:55 AM
Opportunity started driving again this week.

 :clap: :highfive:
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Post by: Thrifty on August 24, 2012, 11:06:49 AM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/8/21/Ee8WxmGBfkamCKuAFNRrkg2.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MerryWanna on August 25, 2012, 12:38:18 AM
I want to know what that green stuff is - whether or not it is alive. It looks significant somehow. Everything else on Mars is reddish or orange but there are these green zones. I can see why this area was chosen as a landing spot.
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Post by: goflyblind on August 25, 2012, 03:56:31 AM
green stuff?
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Post by: Bob on August 25, 2012, 04:03:25 AM
green stuff?

Only green stuff I have here is cilantro and old leftover pizza.....
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MerryWanna on August 25, 2012, 08:15:04 AM
Look at the high res video above and tell me there's no greenish cast to some of the sand.
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Post by: goflyblind on August 25, 2012, 08:21:57 AM
i don't see any green. could be contrast with the lighter soil. maybe the basalt-rich parts of the soil are what you're seeing? there is colour enhancement done to the images. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/08/14/curisositys-looking-a-little-blue/
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 25, 2012, 10:41:00 AM
Yeah, any green shift is due to the camera and the processing.  All images from deep space go though a lot of processing both before being sent and after being received.  You can see the green blotches come and go in the blown up segment, those are compression artifacts and also due to a standard color imaging chips having more green pixels than red or blue.  Look up Bayer Mask or Bayer Filter.

Just a note for most images taken with science cameras in space, the filters used are usually for looking at specific wavelengths that will indicate minerals or other chemical information.  They usually don't waste spots on the filter wheels with RGB filters for taking pretty pictures, so it takes a lot of processing back here to manipulate the colors to look "true".  And in case anyone doesn't know, most of the science cameras are raw chips that don't have the Bayer filter on them, the filters are on a wheel in front of the chip.  To take a color picture you take 3 images with red, green, and blue filters and combine them later.
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Post by: Thrifty on August 25, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
I thought pictures taken from space were usually black and white, but colored by the scientists who received them.
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Post by: RVR II on August 25, 2012, 03:31:22 PM
Maybe it's groves of martian hemp! :o
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 25, 2012, 06:57:57 PM
I thought pictures taken from space were usually black and white, but colored by the scientists who received them.

That's what I was talking about, each image is black and white, but taken through different color filters.  They have started putting standard color video cameras onto spacecraft for non science work.

There is no such thing as a color sensor, all photographs ever taken are combinations of 3 black and white images.  Even color film is 3 layers of black and white that are sensitive to different colors, then during processing the layers are replaced with different color dyes that give you the color image.  Digital cameras have the Bayer mask installed that puts little red, green, and blue filters over the pixels, then during processing in the camera 3 B&W images are extrapolated and then combined to make the RGB image.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MerryWanna on August 25, 2012, 07:05:56 PM
Yeah, any green shift is due to the camera and the processing.  All images from deep space go though a lot of processing both before being sent and after being received.  You can see the green blotches come and go in the blown up segment, those are compression artifacts and also due to a standard color imaging chips having more green pixels than red or blue.  Look up Bayer Mask or Bayer Filter.

Just a note for most images taken with science cameras in space, the filters used are usually for looking at specific wavelengths that will indicate minerals or other chemical information.  They usually don't waste spots on the filter wheels with RGB filters for taking pretty pictures, so it takes a lot of processing back here to manipulate the colors to look "true".  And in case anyone doesn't know, most of the science cameras are raw chips that don't have the Bayer filter on them, the filters are on a wheel in front of the chip.  To take a color picture you take 3 images with red, green, and blue filters and combine them later.

I did not know that. Thank you for clearing that up.

I would think it would be very confusing to those who study the pictures professionally - how can they tell the difference between rocks and algae (or whatever else) could be "growing" there, if this is what gets done?
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Post by: MerryWanna on August 25, 2012, 07:06:48 PM
Maybe it's groves of martian hemp! :o

No wonder Droppo is so merry.  ;)
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 25, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
I would think it would be very confusing to those who study the pictures professionally - how can they tell the difference between rocks and algae (or whatever else) could be "growing" there, if this is what gets done?

Not confusing at all, you choose the filters so they give you the information once you compare all of the images.  So for example you take 5 images in different filters, each pixel will give you a different intensity in each filter.  How those numbers compare to each other will give you a rough idea of the type of mineral you are looking at.  Over the decades people have characterized just about every mineral and chemical so you just compare the numbers to a database.  To get the exact composition you use other instruments. 
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MerryWanna on August 25, 2012, 07:25:03 PM
I would think it would be very confusing to those who study the pictures professionally - how can they tell the difference between rocks and algae (or whatever else) could be "growing" there, if this is what gets done?

Not confusing at all, you choose the filters so they give you the information once you compare all of the images.  So for example you take 5 images in different filters, each pixel will give you a different intensity in each filter.  How those numbers compare to each other will give you a rough idea of the type of mineral you are looking at.  Over the decades people have characterized just about every mineral and chemical so you just compare the numbers to a database.  To get the exact composition you use other instruments. 

This explains why they still use b/w pictures even though the tech exists for taking colour ones, I am guessing...
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 25, 2012, 07:33:50 PM
This explains why they still use b/w pictures even though the tech exists for taking colour ones, I am guessing...

Yes, they try to get scientific data out of everything done, even the panoramic pictures.  A standard color camera would give pretty pictures but wouldn't point out really interesting minerals that they should drive up to and look at more closely.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: MerryWanna on August 26, 2012, 07:43:37 AM
By the way MartyS, your avatar looks exactly like a shadow picture of a Trojan horse on Mars. Was that intentional?
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 26, 2012, 10:49:27 AM
By the way MartyS, your avatar looks exactly like a shadow picture of a Trojan horse on Mars. Was that intentional?

Nope, just a picture I took while riding my horse near sunset, probably 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 27, 2012, 06:17:00 PM
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/681052main_pia16105-43_946-710.jpg)
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia16105.html

Quote
Layers at the Base of Mount Sharp
A chapter of the layered geological history of Mars is laid bare in this postcard from NASA's Curiosity rover. The image shows the base of Mount Sharp, the rover's eventual science destination.

This image is a portion of a larger image taken by Curiosity's 100-millimeter Mast Camera on Aug. 23, 2012. See PIA16104. Scientists enhanced the color in one version to show the Martian scene under the lighting conditions we have on Earth, which helps in analyzing the terrain.

For scale, an annotated version of the figure highlights a dark rock that is approximately the same size as Curiosity. The pointy mound in the center of the image, looming above the rover-sized rock, is about 1,000 feet (300 meters) across and 300 feet (100 meters) high.

Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS
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Post by: Darth Geek on August 27, 2012, 06:36:57 PM
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/681052main_pia16105-43_946-710.jpg)
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia16105.html

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Layers at the Base of Mount Sharp
A chapter of the layered geological history of Mars is laid bare in this postcard from NASA's Curiosity rover. The image shows the base of Mount Sharp, the rover's eventual science destination.

This image is a portion of a larger image taken by Curiosity's 100-millimeter Mast Camera on Aug. 23, 2012. See PIA16104. Scientists enhanced the color in one version to show the Martian scene under the lighting conditions we have on Earth, which helps in analyzing the terrain.

For scale, an annotated version of the figure highlights a dark rock that is approximately the same size as Curiosity. The pointy mound in the center of the image, looming above the rover-sized rock, is about 1,000 feet (300 meters) across and 300 feet (100 meters) high.

Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS
Uh...is one of those mounds smiling?
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Post by: MerryWanna on August 27, 2012, 07:24:01 PM

Uh...is one of those mounds smiling?

The Face of Mars has been discovered at last - and it's winking at us!
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 27, 2012, 08:33:30 PM
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/681052main_pia16105-43_946-710.jpg)
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia16105.html



Well, I'm not going that way. It's much too rocky. This way is much easier.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Danecho1967 on August 28, 2012, 12:04:38 PM
Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ronnie Cox will come rolling down that hill any second.  Just keep watching.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on August 30, 2012, 03:12:28 PM
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/683193main_pia15695-43_946-710.jpg)
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia15695.html

*PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW*
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Post by: Bob on August 30, 2012, 05:07:32 PM
Our next device to mars will have a shotgun rigged to it....
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Darth Geek on August 30, 2012, 05:10:05 PM
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/683193main_pia15695-43_946-710.jpg)
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia15695.html

*PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW*
Great. We're there for only a few days, and we already put holes in it. Goddamnit humans!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 30, 2012, 06:19:04 PM
I guess they didn't need to drop any kind of calibration target down to test on, but if they did, it would have been hilarious to make it in the shape of a tiny stop sign...
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on September 06, 2012, 02:23:46 PM
(http://www.uahirise.org/images/2012/details/cut/ESP_028612_1755-1.jpg)
http://www.uahirise.org/releases/msl-tracks.php

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Curiosity on the Move
Credit: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona
The latest HiRISE color image of MSL shows new details.

Subimage 1 shows the rover and its tracks after a few short drives. Tracking the tracks over time will provide information on how the surface changes over time as dust is deposited and eroded.

Subimage 2 shows the parachute and backshell, now in color. The outer band of the parachute has a reddish color.

Subimage 3 shows the descent stage crash site, now in color, and several distant spots (blue in enhanced color) downrange that are probably the result of distant secondary impacts that disturbed the surface dust. (See also this observation for more detail about the sky crane impact.)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 06, 2012, 04:11:02 PM
Just found out about the SAM instrument package, been trying to find detailed papers on it but looks like haven't put them on the web yet.  Hard to believe they crammed a 6 column GC-MS with all the sample prep equipment into something the size of a microwave oven.  The one in our lab is half the size of the rover....  Been trying to find out how many samples they can do, it would be limited by the amount of helium they have on board for the GC part.  I would guess they would be running fairly small diameter capillary columns so would only need about milliliter a minute of He, so a small high pressure cylinder would last a while. 
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: goflyblind on September 10, 2012, 01:03:32 PM
(http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00034/mhli/0034MH0066001000E1_DXXX.jpg)

curiosity is taking myspace/facebook style pictures now. :-\
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Tripe on September 10, 2012, 01:04:18 PM
What part is forming the duck bill?
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Bob on September 10, 2012, 01:45:10 PM
Amazing how much like earth this place looks.    Never really imagined that before.
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2012, 02:35:30 PM
Amazing how much like earth this place looks.    Never really imagined that before.
Kinda looks like my backyard back during the drought of 2008 :o
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Lembach on September 10, 2012, 03:08:26 PM
Amazing how much like earth this place looks.    Never really imagined that before.

That's exactly what they want you to think!

<_<

>_>
Title: Re: Mars Science Laboratory: NASA Is Going To Land A Small Car On Mars!
Post by: Darth Geek on September 10, 2012, 03:30:31 PM
Amazing how much like earth this place looks.    Never really imagined that before.
Wasn't there talk a while ago about these pictures being color corrected from cameras that don' take pictures of the spectrums we see with?
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 10, 2012, 03:48:46 PM
Amazing how much like earth this place looks.    Never really imagined that before.
Wasn't there talk a while ago about these pictures being color corrected from cameras that don' take pictures of the spectrums we see with?

Yup, but they have gotten pretty good at correcting the colors back here on earth.  The other thing I don't think I mentioned in that previous discussion is that they usually put color targets on top of the rovers, take pictures of them and then they know how to do the corrections to replicate the real colors.  Not sure they did that with this mission because the landing kicked up so much dust the color targets would have been contaminated right away.

 As for how earth-like it looks, that should be no surprise, we have been landing cameras on Mars for a long time.  Look at some of the images from previous missions and you would think they were taken out in the red-rock desserts in AZ or UT.
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Post by: Compound on September 10, 2012, 04:11:06 PM
Amazing how much like earth this place looks.    Never really imagined that before.
Wasn't there talk a while ago about these pictures being color corrected from cameras that don' take pictures of the spectrums we see with?

Yup, but they have gotten pretty good at correcting the colors back here on earth.  The other thing I don't think I mentioned in that previous discussion is that they usually put color targets on top of the rovers, take pictures of them and then they know how to do the corrections to replicate the real colors.  Not sure they did that with this mission because the landing kicked up so much dust the color targets would have been contaminated right away.


Just to back up Marty, this image showed up yesterday:
(http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/images/mahli_caltarget_sol34composit1-br.jpg)

That's what NASA uses to calibrate the camera:
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The calibration target for the Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) instrument includes color references, a metric bar graphic, a 1909 VDB Lincoln penny, and a stair-step pattern for depth calibration. The penny is a nod to geologists' tradition of placing a coin or other object of known scale as a size reference in close-up photographs of rocks, and it gives the public a familiar object for perceiving size easily when it will be viewed by MAHLI on Mars
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Here's what that piece looks like back on Earth:
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/621283main_pia15284-43_946-710.jpg)

Since we know what it looks like here and we know what it looks like on Mars, we can extrapolate  fairly easily.
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Post by: Bob on September 10, 2012, 04:16:34 PM
These photos are something I never thought I would see in my life......wonderful and I appreciate you guys showing them.
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Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
We sent a Penny to Mars WHOAH!! :o
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Post by: Darth Geek on September 10, 2012, 05:39:33 PM
Why such an old penny? It seems oddly specific.
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Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2012, 05:47:18 PM
Why such an old penny? It seems oddly specific.
Maybe being that it was made of pure copper back then might have something to do with helping calibrate the lens ???

Just a wild guess there.
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Post by: goflyblind on September 10, 2012, 05:58:48 PM
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If you calculate the share of the voyage's cost which is attributable to the 2.5-gram penny, it comes out at $7,000, according to Gizmodo. Pennies are traditionally used by geologists to provide a sense of scale in their pictures. Even though Curiosity has other, more sophisticated calibrators, NASA has still included the penny in homage to the scientific custom.
And this penny is not just any coin - it was minted in 1909, when the Lincoln design was first instituted on the 100th anniversary of the Great Emancipator. The coin is a 'VDB cent', marked with the initials of its designer Victor David Brenner. It was bought for Curiosity by MAHLI engineer Ken Edgett, who personally donated it to the Mars mission.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2200120/Penny-helping-Curiosity-explore-surface-Mars.html
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Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
OOOHH :o

Neat! As a History major AND Geology minor, I proly should've known that .. :-[
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Post by: Lembach on September 10, 2012, 06:23:38 PM
Golfy knows all! (it's kind of spooky)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 10, 2012, 06:40:31 PM
Cool, I figured they had to have put a calibration target somewhere, looks like it was tucked away inside during the landing so it didn't get covered with dust.

And a minor pet peve, in the USA we don't mint a penny, we have the cent.  There was this little thing called the revolutionary war that broke us away from the penny.
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Post by: Variety of Cells on December 01, 2012, 07:41:46 AM
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NASA's Messenger, which launched in 2004 and started its orbit around Mercury in March of 2011, has confirmed the existence of water ice in the deep craters of Mercury's poles. The data suggests that there are billions of tons of water ice, rather than just trace amounts.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/120886-NASA-Confirms-Ice-at-Mercurys-Pole?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=news

"Water ice"?  What, did they find a Rita's on mars?

In my head I can't help but read it as "wuter ice" in that article, thanks to my friend's PA accent. 
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 01, 2012, 09:27:54 AM
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NASA's Messenger, which launched in 2004 and started its orbit around Mercury in March of 2011, has confirmed the existence of water ice in the deep craters of Mercury's poles. The data suggests that there are billions of tons of water ice, rather than just trace amounts.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/120886-NASA-Confirms-Ice-at-Mercurys-Pole?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=news

"Water ice"?  What, did they find a Rita's on mars?

In my head I can't help but read it as "wuter ice" in that article, thanks to my friend's PA accent.

It's just amazing there could be ice anywhere on Mercury, you would think with it being so close to the sun the entire planet would warm up enough to get rid of it over time.  But it just shows how cold it gets in a vacuum in the shadows.

Ah, Rita's, there's one a few blocks from me.

Yeah, for planets they have to say what type of ice it is, get cold enough and you can have carbon dioxide, methane, or even nitrogen ice.
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Post by: lassieface on December 01, 2012, 11:26:48 AM
NASA needs to stop all this, "groundbreaking discovery! Will change history books!" The general public will always take that the wrong way. NASA, consider this my application for doing public outreach.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 03, 2012, 06:36:13 PM
 Talk about hyping nothing.  The big news from Curiosity is that they don't really know what they found. 

 They cooked a perchlorate sample and detected traces of chlorinated methane.
 That's pretty close to useless data.
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Post by: Variety of Cells on December 03, 2012, 08:48:11 PM
WHICH contains carbon... If it turns out not to be contamination from earth, or another planet.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 03, 2012, 10:18:14 PM
Plain old carbon is irrelevant, there is plenty of carbon on most of the planets that have an atmosphere.  Mars has loads of carbon dioxide in it's atmosphere and even more of it frozen at the poles.  The outer planets are loaded with methane and other small hydrocarbons.  Comets have hydrocarbons.   All that ice on Mercury looks like it has a layer of hydrocarbons on it that came from comets (as did the ice most likely).

They need to find way more specific types of carbon to even think about saying they could have been used to support life.  And even more specific types to speculate if life existed.

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Post by: Tripe on December 04, 2012, 06:53:59 AM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/300004_265096310280540_145989102_n.jpg)