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Title: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 12, 2011, 10:07:05 PM
It seems like some trekers hate the new Star Trek movie so much that they can't resit slamming it,even if it is not being talked about.

So here is a whole thread where people can talk about how much it sucked and how stupid J.J.Abrans is.

Have fun.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 12, 2011, 10:16:23 PM
Oh lord. Now I'm gonna be feeding the trolls :(
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 12, 2011, 10:29:06 PM
they completely missed the point of Kirk taking the Kobyashi Maru test.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 12, 2011, 10:29:21 PM
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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 12, 2011, 10:34:44 PM
they completely missed the point of Kirk taking the Kobyashi Maru test.
If anybody missed the point, it was the audience, the meaning of the test is subjective,
and while the meaning in Wrath of Khan is the definitive one, our characters may
yet lack the maturity to recognize the point of the test.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: doggans on October 13, 2011, 03:25:49 AM
I guess I need to start my own thread for "Star Trek 2009 was a whole lot of fun at the time but I've never really been in the mood to watch it again!"
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2011, 04:28:23 AM
I agree This movie sucked ass!  :o
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 05:10:28 AM
Shouldn't this be in "movies", not "television"?   Fail.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2011, 05:23:48 AM
Since Doc started this thread, it's expected to be in the wrong catagory :D
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 13, 2011, 07:39:21 AM
 My thread will be titled: Star Trek 2009 was entertaining but would have been much better if Chris Pine was shirtless the entire movie
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:48:13 AM
My thread will be titled: Star Trek 2009 was entertaining but would have been much better if Chris Pine was shirtless the entire movie
Hey I'm all for equal opportunity exploitation. But to tell the truth, none of the women in this iteration of Star
Trek really did much for me.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 13, 2011, 08:58:35 AM
My thread will be titled: Star Trek 2009 was entertaining but would have been much better if Chris Pine was shirtless the entire movie
Hey I'm all for equal opportunity exploitation. But to tell the truth, none of the women in this iteration of Star
Trek really did much for me.


None of the one you mean? Also, Chris Pine should have been pantless too. It should be called Star Trek: Kirk in Boxers
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 09:01:26 AM
None of the one you mean? Also, Chris Pine should have been pantless too. It should be called Star Trek: Kirk in Boxers
I'm sure Chris Pine will be more than happy to run around the next film in his boxers just for
you. ;)
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RoninFox on October 13, 2011, 09:45:01 AM
My thread will be titled: Star Trek 2009 was entertaining but would have been much better if Chris Pine was shirtless the entire movie
Hey I'm all for equal opportunity exploitation. But to tell the truth, none of the women in this iteration of Star
Trek really did much for me.


None of the one you mean? Also, Chris Pine should have been pantless too. It should be called Star Trek: Kirk in Boxers

Be fair, there was also green girl.  Small part, but it came complete with boobies.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 10:01:38 AM
My thread will be titled: Star Trek 2009 was entertaining but would have been much better if Chris Pine was shirtless the entire movie
Hey I'm all for equal opportunity exploitation. But to tell the truth, none of the women in this iteration of Star
Trek really did much for me.


None of the one you mean? Also, Chris Pine should have been pantless too. It should be called Star Trek: Kirk in Boxers

Be fair, there was also green girl.  Small part, but it came complete with boobies.

The green chick was hot. Hot, but green. And I think Zoe Saldana looked fantastic in this movie.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 11:02:00 AM
The green chick was hot. Hot, but green. And I think Zoe Saldana looked fantastic in this movie.
Green chicks are NOT, I repeat, NOT HOT.
This is Maxifent Corey from Screwattack.com... SHE IS HOT
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is Christina Hendricks, actress, SHE IS HOT
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is Kelly Brook, SHE is hot
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is Kari Byron, she is hot
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is Obscurus lupa, she is hot
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Notice something? Hmmm, I'm not sure, but... oh yeah,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RoninFox on October 13, 2011, 02:38:24 PM
...Racist
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 02:46:39 PM
Didn't you just make a thread like 20 minutes ago saying you were leaving?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 02:48:47 PM
Since Doc started this thread, it's expected to be in the wrong catagory :D

okay if i'm braking the rules repart me to a mod else if you r just goin to mok me and stak me i'm going to leave the board forever bye see you in 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 02:51:14 PM
You know what.  Do us all a favor and just delete your account Thrifty
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 03:03:58 PM
...Racist
No, actually if there were green people and I said they weren't sexually attractive at all, I still wouldn't
technically be a racist ;). I'd be a.... well, I guess the closest term would be monoracially predisposed.

And before you judge my taste, take one more look at this picture of Kari Byron... hint, scroll down. ;D
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 03:19:28 PM
...Racist
No, actually if there were green people and I said they weren't sexually attractive at all, I still wouldn't
technically be a racist ;). I'd be a.... well, I guess the closest term would be monoracially predisposed.

And before you judge my taste, take one more look at this picture of Kari Byron... hint, scroll down. ;D
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What?  The dog?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 03:21:29 PM
What?  The dog?
:o *GASP* You called Kari Byron a dog! You rottenlittlesonofa why i oughta *shakes fist*
:P
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 04:16:49 PM
What?  The dog?
:o *GASP* You called Kari Byron a dog! You rottenlittlesonofa why i oughta *shakes fist*
:P

You said scroll down.  There's a dog she's petting or some kind of muppet.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RoninFox on October 13, 2011, 04:30:15 PM
...Racist
No, actually if there were green people and I said they weren't sexually attractive at all, I still wouldn't
technically be a racist ;). I'd be a.... well, I guess the closest term would be monoracially predisposed.

And before you judge my taste, take one more look at this picture of Kari Byron... hint, scroll down. ;D
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm not judging your taste poorly by your attraction to Kari.  Trust me.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 04:32:41 PM
I'm not judging your taste poorly by your attraction to Kari.  Trust me.
I do, I'm just saying just because I don't find green women sexy doesn't make me a racist. :)
Then again, this is all pretty rhetorical i'm sure.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RoninFox on October 13, 2011, 04:36:56 PM
I'm not judging your taste poorly by your attraction to Kari.  Trust me.
I do, I'm just saying just because I don't find green women sexy doesn't make me a racist. :)
Then again, this is all pretty rhetorical i'm sure.
Well, if green aliens were real, they wouldn't be a race of humanity, so I guess specist would be the more proper term...but then again that probably wouldn't be frowned on the same way.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: ManUnderMask on October 13, 2011, 04:56:59 PM
The movie sucked. The plot was terrible, the villain forgettable, and it reminded me way too much of Transformers in parts. The only good part was that the bridge crew was awesome and they did a good job casting those parts. If not for them it would have been the worst Star Trek movie ever.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 04:58:38 PM
HIT THE DECK!!!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 05:00:39 PM
The movie sucked. The plot was terrible, the villain forgettable, and it reminded me way too much of Transformers in parts. The only good part was that the bridge crew was awesome and they did a good job casting those parts. If not for them it would have been the worst Star Trek movie ever.
oh, by the way, Star Trek had better reviews than The Dark Knight.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 05:01:55 PM
The movie sucked. The plot was terrible, the villain forgettable

Finally, someone who agrees with me
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 05:05:41 PM
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_11/

Only 16 out of of 290 critics agree with you at all Sideswipe. I say that makes your argument
fairly weak.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 05:07:29 PM
whoopity fuckin doo what the critics think.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 05:10:45 PM
Yeah, the critics have absolutely nothing to do with how an individual feels about a movie. Have a discussion about the actual movie, not what the critics thought of it.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 05:14:27 PM
Yeah, the critics have absolutely nothing to do with how an individual feels about a movie. Have a discussion about the actual movie, not what the critics thought of it.
Fair enough. This was not Nero's movie, mostly because his name was not in the title. This
is Kirk and Spock's movie, first and foremost. It's about how they learn to set aside their
differences and become the two men who kick the shit out of a villain from 130 years in the
future even though they're just wet behind the ears academy grads. If that does not proclaim
and reinforce their status as a bad-ass duo that makes for one of the most exciting sci-fi
epics ever, I don't know what the fuck does. How exactly do you have a problem with that
Sideswipe?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 05:16:52 PM
I love the fact that people always claim that Star Trek is just like Transformers. I don't think anyone would be saying that if two of the writers hadn't worked on Transformers. Given their track records as writers and creators on Alias,Lost,and Fringe I am guessing they were doing Tranformers because they were hired to write it and Bay wanted the movie done one way so they gave him the script he wanted.  Most writers have to do whatever work comes their way and one of the things they have to do is give the director the script he wants,I don't see why Trasformers should be held against them for the rest of their lives. Outside of those three movies they have a pretty good track record.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 05:21:22 PM
I love the fact that people always claim that Star Trek is just like Transformers. I don't think anyone would be saying that if two of the writers hadn't worked on Transformers. Given their track records as writers and creators on Alias,Lost,and Fringe I am guessing they were doing Tranformers because they were hired to write it and Bay wanted the movie done one way so they gave him the script he wanted.  Most writers have to do whatever work comes their way and one of the things they have to do is give the director the script he wants,I don't see why Trasformers should be held against them for the rest of their lives. Outside of those three movies they have a pretty good track record.
Fact of the matter is if the opportunity for writing came along, I would not pass up a paycheck even if it meant
turning in a lousy script. I admit, that would be an act of artistic prostitution, but I doubt that most of us would
pass up an opportunity to get paid if it meant a damn good paycheck even if it was only unethical as a matter
of hyperbole.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 05:22:53 PM
I love the fact that people always claim that Star Trek is just like Transformers. I don't think anyone would be saying that if two of the writers hadn't worked on Transformers. Given their track records as writers and creators on Alias,Lost,and Fringe I am guessing they were doing Tranformers because they were hired to write it and Bay wanted the movie done one way so they gave him the script he wanted.  Most writers have to do whatever work comes their way and one of the things they have to do is give the director the script he wants,I don't see why Trasformers should be held against them for the rest of their lives. Outside of those three movies they have a pretty good track record.
Fact of the matter is if the opportunity for writing came along, I would not pass up a paycheck even if it meant
turning in a lousy script. I admit, that would be an act of artistic prostitution, but I doubt that most of us would
pass up an opportunity to get paid if it meant a damn good paycheck even if it was only unethical as a matter
of hyperbole.

It's easy money, too. I mean, think about what a cakewalk it is to write that crap.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 05:23:21 PM
because it has nothing to do with Star Trek other than a few names.  It doesn't feel like Star Trek, it feels like a generic sci fi movie.  The characterization is terrible.  The movie is poorly written and strung along by numerous improbable coincedences and unecessary subplots.  Spock/Uhura  wtf?  Reallly?  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 05:26:44 PM
I love the fact that people always claim that Star Trek is just like Transformers. I don't think anyone would be saying that if two of the writers hadn't worked on Transformers. Given their track records as writers and creators on Alias,Lost,and Fringe I am guessing they were doing Tranformers because they were hired to write it and Bay wanted the movie done one way so they gave him the script he wanted.  Most writers have to do whatever work comes their way and one of the things they have to do is give the director the script he wants,I don't see why Trasformers should be held against them for the rest of their lives. Outside of those three movies they have a pretty good track record.
Fact of the matter is if the opportunity for writing came along, I would not pass up a paycheck even if it meant
turning in a lousy script. I admit, that would be an act of artistic prostitution, but I doubt that most of us would
pass up an opportunity to get paid if it meant a damn good paycheck even if it was only unethical as a matter
of hyperbole.

Also bare in mind writers are some of the lowest paid people in Hollywood,lot of writers have to get another job and stop writing because they could not make ends meet.  It's not like an office job where you know work is going to be there next year,if directors decide to stop buying your scripts you are out of a job. I don't care how bad a script I had to write if the choose is between writing a bad script and put food on my family's table and just sitting around the house waiting for someone to offer me a movie I think is good enough(something that may never happen)I will choose writing the bad script every time.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 05:27:26 PM
I love the fact that people always claim that Star Trek is just like Transformers. I don't think anyone would be saying that if two of the writers hadn't worked on Transformers. Given their track records as writers and creators on Alias,Lost,and Fringe I am guessing they were doing Tranformers because they were hired to write it and Bay wanted the movie done one way so they gave him the script he wanted.  Most writers have to do whatever work comes their way and one of the things they have to do is give the director the script he wants,I don't see why Trasformers should be held against them for the rest of their lives. Outside of those three movies they have a pretty good track record.

That's completely moronic if they were that good they wouldn't lower their standards just to please the director.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 05:42:14 PM
I love the fact that people always claim that Star Trek is just like Transformers. I don't think anyone would be saying that if two of the writers hadn't worked on Transformers. Given their track records as writers and creators on Alias,Lost,and Fringe I am guessing they were doing Tranformers because they were hired to write it and Bay wanted the movie done one way so they gave him the script he wanted.  Most writers have to do whatever work comes their way and one of the things they have to do is give the director the script he wants,I don't see why Trasformers should be held against them for the rest of their lives. Outside of those three movies they have a pretty good track record.

That's completely moronic if they were that good they wouldn't lower their standards just to please the director.

So you have never worked for a boss who had low standards because you wanted to work and put food on the table?  Good for you.  Most people are not that lucky and writing in Hollywood is very competitive,you never know when the well is going to run dry so it's a good idea to take every job you can get while you are hot and save your money.

Nimoy talks alot about this in his book I am Spock. He talks about how he has done a lot of things that he thinks are bad but he made them because he didn't want his family to go hungry and in hollywood just because you are hot this year does not mean you will still be working next year.  So when he was on Star Trek he took every job that came his way so that he could pay off his house and put a large amount of money in a savings. That's why he did some bad TV movie,and all those weird records.  Does that mean he has no talent as an actor?  Look at all those adds Orson Well made to pay the bill late in life,does that mean he had no talent as an actor or a director and Citizen Kane was a cheap trashy ad for frozen peas?

Having talent doesn't mean you have to starve to death in a gutter,only an idiot choices not working over working.

Look at it this way. Now I admit my numbers may be a little off because this is something I read in the 90s,but back then the average price paid to a writer for a script was $50,000. Now that may seem like a lot until you think about things like the fact that the money is not tax free and you have no idea when you are going to sell your next script. Some writers go years between selling scripts so if you get a streak where lot of directors are asking you to write scripts for them you don't tend to care if the director ask for a rewrite to make the story about a boy and his car or to add dogs humping,you are just glad to be working.

Oh and they did co create and write for all of those shows I listed.  Of those three Lost is the only one I was never able to get into and that had more to do with it not being my cup of tea then thinking it was badly written.

Face it most people do jobs they are not proud of at some point.  I mean I once working in a meat packing plant that didn't care one bit about health and safety rules and after that I worked for Wal Mart. That doesn't mean that is the only thing I am ever able to do in my life.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 05:45:09 PM
so prove that Michael Bay demanded a poor script
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 05:56:00 PM
so prove that Michael Bay demanded a poor script

First you prove they didn't write or co create Alias,Lost,and Fringe?  Your whole argument is based on the idea that someone who write one poor script can not ever write a good script and you are claiming they never worked on those show despite the credits and DvD extras saying other wise. Prove to me the credits to those three shows have been faked.  Your whole case is based on personal hate and you know nothing about how things work in Hollywood.

Again Orson Welles did work for the money does that mean he could not have made Citizen Kane?

A few things i do know about transformers off the top of my head is that the story outline they were given(that is a few pieces of paper every writer is given that lists what the director and the producers expect to see in the finished script they are paying for)included the whole boy and his first car trying to impress a hot girl angle,it most likely also out character outlines in it(most outlines do),and like most summer blockbuster they had casting before the script was anywhere near finished. Also the masterbation scene was an ad lib by the actors on the day,it was not in the script.  Oh and of course the worst part of the movie is the direction and the design of the Transformers,they had nothing what so ever to do with that.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 05:58:03 PM
Don't try and shift the burden of proof.  You are making the claim that Michael Bay wanted a bad script.  The burden of proof is on you
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 06:00:24 PM
So you have never worked for a boss who had low standards because you wanted to work and put food on the table?  

I will repeat.  That is moronic.  Just because a boss has low standards doesn't mean you are off the hook for doing the absolute best you can.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 06:01:16 PM
because it has nothing to do with Star Trek other than a few names.  It doesn't feel like Star Trek, it feels like a generic sci fi movie.  The characterization is terrible.  The movie is poorly written and strung along by numerous improbable coincedences and unecessary subplots.  Spock/Uhura  wtf?  Reallly?  
Sideswipe... I've been watching Star Trek longer than you have, and I've been around long
enough to know Star Trek is about the characters, and yes, that includes the Enterprise.
Kirk feels like Kirk in the movie, and Spock even more so. It may be premature to have them
developing this early in the life of the movies, but they did anyway. Spock struggles with his
emotions, being half-human, admitting that he feels the emotions he has been taught to
shun, Kirk admits to himself that he needs to stop being an egotistic douchebag for just
one minute so he can formulate a plan with a man he knows will be his greatest ally.

A Romulan vessel comes back in time by accident, creating an alternate reality. Nero held off by Kirk's
 father via great heroism and the son must become the father, be the man his father was
and stop Earth's annihilation by accepting help from a Vulcan man who is at first  his
enemy, but through stealth and sheer determination the Enterprise 7 conspire to stop
the Mad man Nero from destroying all the planets in the Federation. I ask you again
Sideswipe, what about that Story is generic at all?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 06:09:52 PM
So you have never worked for a boss who had low standards because you wanted to work and put food on the table?  

I will repeat.  That is moronic.  Just because a boss has low standards doesn't mean you are off the hook for doing the absolute best you can.

But you can't do the exact opposite of what your boss tells you.  if he want a script about a boy trying to impress a girl in his very first car you can't give him a script about robots fighting on an alien planet and expect to keep your job.

Also again you have stated that their work on Transofmers proves they did not work on Alias,Lost,or Fringe,where is your poof.  Read what i wrote about what is know about the outline they were given for the script. 

Brando phoned it in when he did a lot of his later movies,that does not mean he was unable to do good work.  Sometimes you just have to show up and work and give the boss what he wants and not worry that you know a better way to do it.  In the end the boss is the one who signs your checks and if he wants things done a certain way that is the way you do them because that is what you are paid for. It does not prove you can never do better work or that you have not done better work in the past.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 06:11:46 PM
because it has nothing to do with Star Trek other than a few names.  It doesn't feel like Star Trek, it feels like a generic sci fi movie.  The characterization is terrible.  The movie is poorly written and strung along by numerous improbable coincedences and unecessary subplots.  Spock/Uhura  wtf?  Reallly?  
Sideswipe... I've been watching Star Trek longer than you have, and I've been around long
enough to know Star Trek is about the characters, and yes, that includes the Enterprise.
Kirk feels like Kirk in the movie, and Spock even more so. It may be premature to have them
developing this early in the life of the movies, but they did anyway. Spock struggles with his
emotions, being half-human, admitting that he feels the emotions he has been taught to
shun, Kirk admits to himself that he needs to stop being an egotistic douchebag for just
one minute so he can formulate a plan with a man he knows will be his greatest ally.

A Romulan vessel comes back in time by accident, creating an alternate reality. Nero held off by Kirk's
 father via great heroism and the son must become the father, be the man his father was
and stop Earth's annihilation by accepting help from a Vulcan man who is at first  his
enemy, but through stealth and sheer determination the Enterprise 7 conspire to stop
the Mad man Nero from destroying all the planets in the Federation. I ask you again
Sideswipe, what about that Story is generic at all?

I also want to know how that is the exact same script as Transformers.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 06:13:35 PM
I also want to know how that is the exact same script as Transformers.
I have no bloody idea Doctor.  :-\
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 06:16:57 PM
When i worked at Wal Mart I had to do things worse then i knew how all the time simply because that was the way the boss wanted it done,that doesn't make me a bad worker and that doesn't mean I only know how to work poorly.  it just means i did what the boss wanted collected my check and went home. I can not for the life of me think what is wrong with that.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 06:20:48 PM
You really need to learn how to read.  I didn't say anything about them not working on anything else, and you still haven't proven that they were forced to write a bad script.  Just saying " a boy trying to impress a girl in his very first car" doesn't mean you have do you worst possible job at writing it.  If that were in fact the case though, you would have to blame Stephen Spielberg, because that was his idea, he was involved before Michael Bay was.

They did absolutely nothing with Lost and wrote a whopping 10 episodes out of 105 for Alias, so I don't know what that proves.  As far as Fringe, I've never seen the show.  I've never heard anything spectaular about it though.  They also worked on The Island, wich was horrible,  Mission Impossible 3, wich was crap, and Cowboys and Aliens, wich was just kind of dull.

So prove to me that they were forced to write a bad script and phoned it it.  You can't because you pulled it out of your ass.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 06:38:21 PM
You really need to learn how to read.  I didn't say anything about them not working on anything else, and you still haven't proven that they were forced to write a bad script.  Just saying " a boy trying to impress a girl in his very first car" doesn't mean you have do you worst possible job at writing it.  If that were in fact the case though, you would have to blame Stephen Spielberg, because that was his idea, he was involved before Michael Bay was.

They did absolutely nothing with Lost and wrote a whopping 10 episodes out of 105 for Alias, so I don't know what that proves.  As far as Fringe, I've never seen the show.  I've never heard anything spectaular about it though.  They also worked on The Island, wich was horrible,  Mission Impossible 3, wich was crap, and Cowboys and Aliens, wich was just kind of dull.

So prove to me that they were forced to write a bad script and phoned it it.  You can't because you pulled it out of your ass.

Oh and you did claim they didn't work on those shows,you called bullshit on me for pointing out that they have worked on good shows.  You were in fact claiming that they did not work on those shows because their work on Transformer proved they hadn't done anything that was good.  I pointed out things that I have seen that are good that have their names in the writers,creators,and producers credits.

They were producers and script editor on Alias,those type people don't do a lot of writing but they rewrite a lot of other people's scripts and set the tone for the show.  Also Fringe is one of the best shows on TV.

Really you are letting your personal hatred of Transformers spill over into personal hatred for two writers you have never met.
Oh and in this country guilt is what has to be proven.  you want to prove they have never written a good script the burden of proof is on you.  You want to prove that Micheal Bay had nothing to do with the Transformers script,that burden of proof is on you.  Look at it this way I can't really tell Transformers apart from any other Bay film and yet these two have not written any of his other films besides The Island.   I can not think Transformers was a very good script to be involved in as a writer I mean look at the parties involved.  You have one of the most powerful producers in Hollywood,you have a big name studio,you have a powerful toy company,you have a powerful director,and you have the fact that it was decided long before they came on the project that the movie would be a giant ad for a car company.  if you think none of these things made demands on the script or had any effect on it then you really know nothing about film making.

Also since you have not seen the vast majority of their work you are in no place to judged it.  I have seen about 75% of their work and I would say they are mostly good. They come up with some pretty interesting characters,they keep the story fast paced and interest,and in general their stuff is fun too watch. You are judging work you have not even seen based on hatred of three movies.  At any rate this going nowhere and I am tired of this so i am going to bed.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: ManUnderMask on October 13, 2011, 06:50:27 PM
oh, by the way, Star Trek had better reviews than The Dark Knight.

And your point?

Also, I said I liked the bridge crew, by which I mean Kirk, Spock, Chekov, Sulu, Uhura, Bones and Scotty. I though that cast was great and every time they were on screen it was awesome. The rest of it just wasn't that good.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 06:51:19 PM
Seriously, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.  Are you a young Earth creationist by any chance.

All I stated that Star Trek was poorly written, that is what's called an opinion.  You on the other hand said:

I am guessing they were doing Tranformers because they were hired to write it and Bay wanted the movie done one way so they gave him the script he wanted.  

By your own admission you are pulling it out of your ass.  If you make a claim, you have to back it up with evidence.  We're not talking about guilty or innocence here, so that legal metaphor you made is more bullshit.

Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 06:52:44 PM
Seriously, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.  Are you a creationist by any chance.
Sideswipe, do not start making this personal because you're not just insulting him but me now too.  >:(
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 06:57:27 PM
they guy is making random statements about me that are completely not backed up by anything I posted.  How is that not personal to me?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 07:03:46 PM
they guy is making random statements about me that are completely not backed up by anything I posted.  How is that not personal to me?
The problem is you said an insult that was meant to hurt him, but did the same to me.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 07:04:57 PM
are you a creationist?  If so thats a whole different debate I will take you up on.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2011, 07:06:07 PM
Did you know STAR TREK IS NOT REAL!!  ;D
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 07:07:11 PM
are you a creationist?  If so thats a whole different debate I will take you up on.
I am, but this is not the place to argue that.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 07:08:23 PM
bullshit.  Religion does not get a free pass.  Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule.  We can take this to a different thread though.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 07:13:47 PM
bullshit.  Religion does not get a free pass.  Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule.  We can take this to a different thread though.
Sigh... fine.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2011, 07:14:03 PM
This Star Trek movie Sucked!! :speechless:
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 07:21:01 PM
should have specified young Earth Creationist.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 07:26:32 PM
because it has nothing to do with Star Trek other than a few names.  It doesn't feel like Star Trek, it feels like a generic sci fi movie.  The characterization is terrible.  The movie is poorly written and strung along by numerous improbable coincedences and unecessary subplots.  Spock/Uhura  wtf?  Reallly?  
Yeah I kinda felt that way too.  I didn't think it was a bad movie.  I thought it was a sorta mediocre movie.  I might have been less off put if they just had new characters, rather than a recasted reboot of the original series.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 07:28:47 PM
Thanks to the alternate universe they really are not the same characters at all.  So everything about seeing "our beloved characters when they were young" is completely wrong.  They are not the same.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 07:29:56 PM
bullshit.  Religion does not get a free pass.  Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule.  We can take this to a different thread though.

Wow,that was completely bigoted.  What I believe about religion has nothing to do with this thread and that attack was out of nowhere.  You are reported.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 07:30:11 PM
they guy is making random statements about me that are completely not backed up by anything I posted.  How is that not personal to me?
Have you never observed him in debate?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 07:32:17 PM
they guy is making random statements about me that are completely not backed up by anything I posted.  How is that not personal to me?
Have you never observed him in debate?

Yeah, I should have taken the high road in the first place. 

 Ooooooh noooooooes!  I have been reported by the report master! 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 07:36:29 PM
Another reprot!

Swipes is shakin' in his boots!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 07:38:22 PM
I should probably go ahead and delete my account from the bored.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 07:38:29 PM
they guy is making random statements about me that are completely not backed up by anything I posted.  How is that not personal to me?
Have you never observed him in debate?

Yeah, I should have taken the high road in the first place. 

 Ooooooh noooooooes!  I have been reported by the report master! 

You admitted that you have not seen most of the out put of these writers,there is no debate. You can not say if they are good or bad since you have only seen three movies they wrote.

Then you launch into a personal attack on what I believe about God,WOE?!

You are out of control and I am done playing games with you. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 07:42:30 PM
I should probably go ahead and delete my account from the bored.
At this juncture I should probably say that purposely aggravating people is fruitless and serves
to only lead to more hard feelings, so tell me how that is ever anything but a stupid thing to do?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: doggans on October 13, 2011, 07:46:06 PM
Come on, guys, let's all mellow out. Ask yourself, what would Ben Murphy do?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2011, 07:47:29 PM
I should probably go ahead and delete my account from the bored.
:D :D
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 07:48:22 PM
Come on, guys, let's all mellow out. Ask yourself, what would Ben Murphy do?
He would turn invisible and run.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 07:50:08 PM
In my whole time on this forum I have filed four reports.  I am far from the report master.  I believe it is only polite to give people warning if they are doing something that I think needs to be reported.

We all make typos so if I were you I would not be throwing stones because sooner or later one of them will hit the glass that makes up the house you live in.

The fact that you had to resort to a personal attack that had nothing to do with this thread proves it is you who is out of control not me.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2011, 07:51:12 PM
You are out of control and I am done playing games with you. 
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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: doggans on October 13, 2011, 07:52:03 PM
YOU GUYS AREN'T BEING VERY BEN MURPHY HERE.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 07:52:22 PM
I think if you do report someone, it should be for a good reason.  Not a statement that clearly isnt a violation of anything.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 07:53:31 PM
I wonder if i can report myself for the fun of it?  Who answers those things anyways? Is it possible we can just make a ton of work for tripe?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 07:54:02 PM
At this juncture I should probably say that purposely aggravating people is fruitless and serves
to only lead to more hard feelings, so tell me how that is ever anything but a stupid thing to do?

But it's so easy and fun!

Come on, guys, let's all mellow out. Ask yourself, what would Ben Murphy do?

This thread doesn't deal well with things that aren't mellow.

Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2011, 07:54:19 PM
I wonder if i can report myself for the fun of it?  Who answers those things anyways? Is it possible we can just make a ton of work for tripe?
Hey Yeah! I wanna report myself too! :o
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 07:56:18 PM
Behold a statement that can in no way be seen as an attack.

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bullshit.  Religion does not get a free pass.  Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule.

If I had said the same thing about what someone else believes I would have been jumped on left and right,and rightly so.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 07:56:34 PM
I think if you do report someone, it should be for a good reason.  Not a statement that clearly isnt a violation of anything.
I got reported and reprimanded by a mod once on a forum for calling somebody a kid Sideswipe.
Not on this forum, but I think my point is sometimes it's best not to personally attack anyone at all.

Behold a statement that can in no way be seen as an attack.
Quote
bullshit.  Religion does not get a free pass.  Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule.
.
If anyone had said that on TSE they'd probably get temporarily banned from the forum. Religion
is and always has been a hot button for any forum.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2011, 07:57:12 PM
Behold a statement that can in no way be seen as an attack.

Quote
bullshit.  Religion does not get a free pass.  Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule.

If I had said the same thing about what someone else believes I would have been jumped on left and right,and rightly so.
That's it! I'm reporting you! :o

I will not stand this kind of personal attack! ;D
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 07:59:24 PM
Behold a statement that can in no way be seen as an attack.

Quote
bullshit.  Religion does not get a free pass.  Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule.

If I had said the same thing about what someone else believes I would have been jumped on left and right,and rightly so.

Honestly doc im sorry, I am a christian and I think the first part of it is true.  Religion does not get a free pass.  Nor does ANYTHING.  Although the ridiculous comment is provocative. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 08:02:27 PM
I think if you do report someone, it should be for a good reason.  Not a statement that clearly isnt a violation of anything.
I got reported and reprimanded by a mod once on a forum for calling somebody a kid Sideswipe.
Not on this forum, but I think my point is sometimes it's best not to personally attack anyone at all.

Behold a statement that can in no way be seen as an attack.
Quote
bullshit.  Religion does not get a free pass.  Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule.
.
If anyone had said that on TSE they'd probably get temporarily banned from the forum. Religion
is and always has been a hot button for any forum.

Yeah,imagine if I had ask someone out of the blue if they were Jewish and then when they said yes I said that explained why they were so stupid and then when I got called on it I said "bullshit.  Religion does not get a free pass.  Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule".  You are telling me people would not jump on me.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 08:03:19 PM
Well I'm not appologizing.  You can ridicule peoples taste in music, movies, politics, sports, dress style, etc.  Religion is absolutely no different.  


FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2011, 08:04:10 PM
FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!
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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 08:04:45 PM
Well I'm not appologizing.  You can ridicule peoples taste in music, movies, politics, sports, dress style, etc.  Religion is absolutely no different.  


FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!

Then I say...

I HOPE YOU GET FUCKED TO DEATH BY WOLVES.  YOU ARE AN EVIL PERSON AND THE SOONER YOU DIE THE BETTER!!! THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE ONCE YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY ARE SIX FEET UNDER!!

FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2011, 08:05:40 PM
Well I'm not appologizing.  You can ridicule peoples taste in music, movies, politics, sports, dress style, etc.  Religion is absolutely no different.  


FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!

Then I say...

I HOPE YOU GET FUCKED TO DEATH BY WOLVES.  YOU ARE AN EVIL PERSON AND THE SOONER YOU DIE THE BETTER!!!

FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!
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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 08:06:29 PM
Well I'm not appologizing.  You can ridicule peoples taste in music, movies, politics, sports, dress style, etc.  Religion is absolutely no different. 


FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!

Then I say...

I HOPE YOU GET FUCKED TO DEATH BY WOLVES.  YOU ARE AN EVIL PERSON AND THE SOONER YOU DIE THE BETTER!!! THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE ONCE YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY ARE SIX FEET UNDER!!

FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!


I"m reproting you
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:06:50 PM
Well I'm not appologizing.  You can ridicule peoples taste in music, movies, politics, sports, dress style, etc.  Religion is absolutely no different.  
FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!
Sideswipe, religion is.... very very different. Have there ever been mass murders over music, movies, sports, dress or style?
and yes, I can see that's probably what you were trying to get me to say in the first place, but my point is Religion is absolutely
different. People will literally kill over it, they obviously have intensely strong feelings over it that it supersedes all other ideas,
and no, that doesn't necessarily validate your ideas that all religion is a ridiculous concept.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 08:07:01 PM
I'm reporting Gunflyer for implying that I'm stupid.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 08:07:52 PM
Well I'm not appologizing.  You can ridicule peoples taste in music, movies, politics, sports, dress style, etc.  Religion is absolutely no different.  
FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!
Sideswipe, religion is.... very very different. Have there ever been mass murders over music, movies, sports, dress or style?
and yes, I can see that's probably what you were trying to get me to say in the first place, but my point is Religion is absolutely
different. People will literally kill over it, they obviously have intensely strong feelings over it that it supersedes all other ideas

yeah well, that's no excuse.  People have been killed over race to, sexual preference.  Hell twitards have even threatened people with physical violence.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2011, 08:08:43 PM
I'm reporting Gunflyer for implying that I'm stupid.
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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 08:09:43 PM
Well I'm not appologizing.  You can ridicule peoples taste in music, movies, politics, sports, dress style, etc.  Religion is absolutely no different.  


FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!

Then I say...

I HOPE YOU GET FUCKED TO DEATH BY WOLVES.  YOU ARE AN EVIL PERSON AND THE SOONER YOU DIE THE BETTER!!! THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE ONCE YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY ARE SIX FEET UNDER!!

FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!


I"m reproting you

YOUR MOTHER HAS NO IDEA WHO YOUR REAL FATHER IS!  tHE WORLD WOUL BE A BETTER PLACE IF SHE HAD BEEN RAPED TO DEATH BEFORE YOU WERE BORN!

FIRST AMMENDMENT FTW, BABY!!

Do you get the point I am trying to make yet?

Yes we can say anything we want but that doesn't mean that we should.  I mean come on thing of how much damage has been done by people talking and not caring who they hurt or about how it makes others feel. Some time the adult thing to do is not to say something.  yes you have the right to say it but that does not make what you say right.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:10:29 PM
yeah well, that's no excuse.  People have been killed over race to, sexual preference.  Hell twitards have even threatened people with physical violence.
And would you ridicule people over race or sexual preference Sideswipe? Of course not, because
you are an adult and hopefully you know better.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 08:11:00 PM
Quote
Yeah,imagine if I had ask someone out of the blue if they were Jewish and then when they said yes I said that explained why they were so stupid and then when I got called on it I said "bullshit

There is some truth there.  If we just change supid to wrong, it becomes quite fine.  You can tell someone they are wrong all day  as long as you are willing to meet them fairly and discuss it.  

Quote
Sideswipe, religion is.... very very different. Have there ever been mass murders over music, movies, sports, dress or style?
and yes, I can see that's probably what you were trying to get me to say in the first place, but my point is Religion is absolutely
different. People will literally kill over it, they obviously have intensely strong feelings over it that it supersedes all other ideas

There have been riots over music, sports, dress and style.  The fact it is important is PRECISELY why it gets no free pass.  It is precisely why we must discuss it freely.  Also On this forum we have generally been able to discuss, if not fairly then at least frequently.  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:13:12 PM
There have been riots over music, sports, dress and style.  The fact it is important is PRECISELY why it gets no free pass.  It is precisely why we must discuss it freely.  Also On this forum we have generally been able to discuss, if not fairly then at least frequently.  
Sarcasm you are missing my point. There have NOT been mass murders over music, sports, dress and style
unless they were directly tied to religion. And that's what I said to begin with. Yes, you've got football games
where people can end up dead over calling out a rival team, but that is still far from crusades and Cardinal
Richelieu stringing people up by their balls and locking them in an iron maiden.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 08:14:04 PM
STAR TREK!!!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 08:14:17 PM
yeah well, that's no excuse.  People have been killed over race to, sexual preference.  Hell twitards have even threatened people with physical violence.
And would you ridicule people over race or sexual preference Sideswipe? Of course not, because
you are an adult and hopefully you know better.

Since when are race and sexual preference ideas??

Hooked on phonics worked for me?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:16:43 PM
Since when are race and sexual preference ideas??
Hooked on phonics worked for me?
The point I have been trying to make Sideswipe is that race and sexual preference are extremely
sensitive and personal issues, and you might not personally agree that people of certain proclivities
may or may not have rights, but we don't ridicule those ideas anyway because we honestly care about
not pissing off people to the point to where they feel hurt and put on the defensive! The same thing at
the very least applies to religion.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 08:17:55 PM
yeah well, that's no excuse.  People have been killed over race to, sexual preference.  Hell twitards have even threatened people with physical violence.
And would you ridicule people over race or sexual preference Sideswipe? Of course not, because
you are an adult and hopefully you know better.

If  did either of those you can bet the mods would take action against him.  The fact is this whole forum hate Christians and is run by people like Sideswipe who hate us.  I think a member of the KKK would be more welcome here then a Christian.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 08:20:00 PM
There have been riots over music, sports, dress and style.  The fact it is important is PRECISELY why it gets no free pass.  It is precisely why we must discuss it freely.  Also On this forum we have generally been able to discuss, if not fairly then at least frequently.  
Sarcasm you are missing my point. There have NOT been mass murders over music, sports, dress and style
unless they were directly tied to religion. And that's what I said to begin with. Yes, you've got football games
where people can end up dead over calling out a rival team, but that is still far from crusades and Cardinal
Richelieu stringing people up by their balls and locking them in an iron maiden.

My point is just that people take them deadly serious.  My other point is that religion does not get a free pass and becomes a subject you cannot touch because people feel strongly about it.  It actually becomes more important to freely discuss it because people do feel that way about it.

STAR TREK!!!

I am reading this debate with the TNG opening theme playing in my mind.  Makes it more dynamic.

Quote
The fact is this whole forum hate Christians and is run by people like Sideswipe who hate u

I run this forum* (like a boss) and I am christian

This should not be interpreted as truth
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:20:19 PM
If  did either of those you can bet the mods would take action against him.  The fact is this whole forum hate Christians and is run by people like Sideswipe who hate us.  I think a member of the KKK would be more welcome here then a Christian.
I hope that's not true Doctor, but I care about your feelings, so just ignore Sideswipe for a while.
It's not worth arguing with him anymore.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 08:20:23 PM
yeah well, that's no excuse.  People have been killed over race to, sexual preference.  Hell twitards have even threatened people with physical violence.
And would you ridicule people over race or sexual preference Sideswipe? Of course not, because
you are an adult and hopefully you know better.
If  did either of those you can bet the mods would take action against him.  The fact is this whole forum hate Christians and is run by people like Sideswipe who hate us.  I think a member of the KKK would be more welcome here then a Christian.

GO AWAY.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 08:20:55 PM
If  did either of those you can bet the mods would take action against him.  The fact is this whole forum hate Christians and is run by people like Sideswipe who hate us.  I think a member of the KKK would be more welcome here then a Christian.
I hope that's not true Doctor, but I care about your feelings, so just ignore Sideswipe for a while.
It's not worth arguing with him anymore.
Are you two defective human beings done jerking each other off yet?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 08:22:13 PM
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Are you two defective human beings done jerking each other off yet?

Seriously that is how you wanted to be perceived?

Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:22:27 PM
Are you two defective human beings done jerking each other off yet?
WOW... I don't even know wtf to say to that, that's just such... wow. I guess I just assumed most people on the
forum were above saying stuff like that.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 08:22:50 PM
Just to inform you, ridicule does not = hate.

The first ammendent of the Constitution of the United States garantees the freedom of religion, however you can not have freedom of religion without freedom from religion.  It does not mean the freedom to practice Christianity only.


And I could not possibley agree with Sarc more
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 08:23:14 PM
If  did either of those you can bet the mods would take action against him.  The fact is this whole forum hate Christians and is run by people like Sideswipe who hate us.  I think a member of the KKK would be more welcome here then a Christian.
I hope that's not true Doctor, but I care about your feelings, so just ignore Sideswipe for a while.
It's not worth arguing with him anymore.
Are you two defective human beings done jerking each other off yet?

That's homophobic. I'm reproting you.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 08:23:32 PM
Quote
Are you two defective human beings done jerking each other off yet?
Seriously that is how you wanted to be perceived?
As someone who inquires about the duration of mutual masturbation?

Okay I admit "defective human beings" was a little far.  Gunflyer seems to be non-defective.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:24:55 PM
Just to inform you, ridicule does not = hate.
Tell me honestly Sideswipe, how far is ridicule from hate? Because the way I've seen it
first hand, they live in the same building.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 08:26:22 PM
So this was all in the movie?  I can't wait for the next one now.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 08:26:48 PM
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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 08:26:57 PM
If  did either of those you can bet the mods would take action against him.  The fact is this whole forum hate Christians and is run by people like Sideswipe who hate us.  I think a member of the KKK would be more welcome here then a Christian.
I hope that's not true Doctor, but I care about your feelings, so just ignore Sideswipe for a while.
It's not worth arguing with him anymore.

Oh it's true,they are fine with you being one as long as they don't know about it.  Once they find it they will use it as an excuse to attack you in every thread in the forum,even if it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.  They will say it is important to talk about and so it has to be talked about in every thread even though we have a thread devoted to just that type of talk.  They will tell you that it explains how stupid you are.  There is no getting away from it there is no room for Christians who don't hate themselves on this forum. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 08:29:03 PM
If  did either of those you can bet the mods would take action against him.  The fact is this whole forum hate Christians and is run by people like Sideswipe who hate us.  I think a member of the KKK would be more welcome here then a Christian.
I hope that's not true Doctor, but I care about your feelings, so just ignore Sideswipe for a while.
It's not worth arguing with him anymore.
Are you two defective human beings done jerking each other off yet?

Retard!  Are you done having sex with your father!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
I seriously can't stop laughing at how ridiculous this has become.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 08:29:38 PM
Quote
As someone who inquires about the duration of mutual masturbation

Yeah man, some things are best left unsaid.  Besides we cannot always control how long we go.  Sometimes I can only go four hours or so.  


Quote
Once they find it they will use it as an excuse to attack you in every thread in the forum,even if it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.  They will say it is important to talk about and so it has to be talked about in every thread even though we have a thread devoted to just that type of talk.  They will tell you that it explains how stupid you are.  There is no getting away from it there is no room for Christians who don't hate themselves on this forum.

Now I'm offended.  I am christian and so are MANY others on this forum, and i have had many great discussions about this here.  I value those discussions, and I despise the concept that anyone could think I am a self hating anything.  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
If  did either of those you can bet the mods would take action against him.  The fact is this whole forum hate Christians and is run by people like Sideswipe who hate us.  I think a member of the KKK would be more welcome here then a Christian.
I hope that's not true Doctor, but I care about your feelings, so just ignore Sideswipe for a while.
It's not worth arguing with him anymore.

Oh it's true,they are fine with you being one as long as they don't know about it.  Once they find it they will use it as an excuse to attack you in every thread in the forum,even if it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.  They will say it is important to talk about and so it has to be talked about in every thread even though we have a thread devoted to just that type of talk.  They will tell you that it explains how stupid you are.  There is no getting away from it there is no room for Christians who don't hate themselves on this forum.  


I WAS THE GUNMAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLE!!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:30:27 PM
Oh it's true,they are fine with you being one as long as they don't know about it.  Once they find it they will use it as an excuse to attack you in every thread in the forum,even if it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.  They will say it is important to talk about and so it has to be talked about in every thread even though we have a thread devoted to just that type of talk.  They will tell you that it explains how stupid you are.  There is no getting away from it there is no room for Christians who don't hate themselves on this forum.  
Well, it's just something everybody will have to work on. Maybe they will after this.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 08:31:46 PM
If  did either of those you can bet the mods would take action against him.  The fact is this whole forum hate Christians and is run by people like Sideswipe who hate us.  I think a member of the KKK would be more welcome here then a Christian.
I hope that's not true Doctor, but I care about your feelings, so just ignore Sideswipe for a while.
It's not worth arguing with him anymore.

Oh it's true,they are fine with you being one as long as they don't know about it.  Once they find it they will use it as an excuse to attack you in every thread in the forum,even if it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.  They will say it is important to talk about and so it has to be talked about in every thread even though we have a thread devoted to just that type of talk.  They will tell you that it explains how stupid you are.  There is no getting away from it there is no room for Christians who don't hate themselves on this forum.  


I WAS THE GUNMAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLE!!

I thought you were the gunman over by the gassy gnoll?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 08:32:24 PM
yeah that too.  The point is, I killed Kennedy.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 08:32:35 PM
Is Gunflyer in training to be the next Doctor Who for when he finally snaps and leaves the board forever*?


*defined as a record breaking 2 days.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 08:33:59 PM
yeah that too.  The point is, I killed Kennedy.

Should have shot Joseph Kennedy instead of John.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 08:34:11 PM
Oh it's true,they are fine with you being one as long as they don't know about it.  Once they find it they will use it as an excuse to attack you in every thread in the forum,even if it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.  They will say it is important to talk about and so it has to be talked about in every thread even though we have a thread devoted to just that type of talk.  They will tell you that it explains how stupid you are.  There is no getting away from it there is no room for Christians who don't hate themselves on this forum.  
Well, it's just something everybody will have to work on. Maybe they will after this.

My thing is I avoid the religion and politics threads because I know myself,I know that I have a temper and that when it comes to those two things I have a hard time controlling it.  So I find it really hard when they are brought up in a thread that has nothing to do with them.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 08:34:22 PM
Apperantly they are tag-team snapping.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 08:35:01 PM
Where are the churches on the Enterprise?  Which deck?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:35:04 PM
Is Gunflyer in training to be the next Doctor Who for when he finally snaps and leaves the board forever*?
*defined as a record breaking 2 days.
I left the TSE forum about 5 months ago and I never went back. Does anybody else see a problem with
the excited anticipation over somebody leaving because they are so hurt they feel like they have to?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 08:36:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEuLsw4BzDg

Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 08:37:46 PM
Is Gunflyer in training to be the next Doctor Who for when he finally snaps and leaves the board forever*?
*defined as a record breaking 2 days.
I left the TSE forum about 5 months ago and I never went back. Does anybody else see a problem with
the excited anticipation over somebody leaving because they are so hurt they feel like they have to?

If you get depressed over a single comment, than you should get a helmet before trying a different forum.  For the most part this is a civil forum compared to alot of them I have seen.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 08:39:14 PM
Oh it's true,they are fine with you being one as long as they don't know about it.  Once they find it they will use it as an excuse to attack you in every thread in the forum,even if it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.  They will say it is important to talk about and so it has to be talked about in every thread even though we have a thread devoted to just that type of talk.  They will tell you that it explains how stupid you are.  There is no getting away from it there is no room for Christians who don't hate themselves on this forum.  
Well, it's just something everybody will have to work on. Maybe they will after this.

My thing is I avoid the religion and politics threads because I know myself,I know that I have a temper and that when it comes to those two things I have a hard time controlling it.  So I find it really hard when they are brought up in a thread that has nothing to do with them.
No you don't.  You still spew your stupid little tirades on the politics thread.  Just like your pledges to leave this forum forever, this is a lie.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:40:12 PM
If you get depressed over a single comment, than you should get a helmet before trying a different forum.  For the most part this is a civil forum compared to alot of them I have seen.
I didn't say it was a single comment. I left because I felt like the mods were unfairly on my case
all the time.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 08:40:52 PM
The mods rarely post here anymore sadly.  I miss torgo
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 08:41:47 PM
yeah that too.  The point is, I killed Kennedy.

So you are Kennedy?

http://www.youtube.com/v/TEwcTBnrD6k?version=3&hl=en_US
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 08:42:05 PM
Is Gunflyer in training to be the next Doctor Who for when he finally snaps and leaves the board forever*?
*defined as a record breaking 2 days.
I left the TSE forum about 5 months ago and I never went back. Does anybody else see a problem with
the excited anticipation over somebody leaving because they are so hurt they feel like they have to?
It's more like excited anticipation that an annoying house guest will finally leave.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 08:44:16 PM
If  did either of those you can bet the mods would take action against him.  The fact is this whole forum hate Christians and is run by people like Sideswipe who hate us.  I think a member of the KKK would be more welcome here then a Christian.
I hope that's not true Doctor, but I care about your feelings, so just ignore Sideswipe for a while.
It's not worth arguing with him anymore.

Oh it's true,they are fine with you being one as long as they don't know about it.  Once they find it they will use it as an excuse to attack you in every thread in the forum,even if it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.  They will say it is important to talk about and so it has to be talked about in every thread even though we have a thread devoted to just that type of talk.  They will tell you that it explains how stupid you are.  There is no getting away from it there is no room for Christians who don't hate themselves on this forum.  


I WAS THE GUNMAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLE!!

I thought you were the gunman over by the gassy gnoll?

I thought he was the gunman on the grassy Noel.

(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/2395/unled1ais.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 08:45:39 PM
If you get depressed over a single comment, than you should get a helmet before trying a different forum.  For the most part this is a civil forum compared to alot of them I have seen.
I didn't say it was a single comment. I left because I felt like the mods were unfairly on my case
all the time.

Oh, I thought you were talking about leaving this forum.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:46:22 PM
It's more like excited anticipation that an annoying house guest will finally leave.
I have a philosophy Thrifty. If somebody is annoying, I will go out of my way to make sure that I didn't do anything
to hurt them or make them feel like they have reason to be aggravated. And I sure as hell believe there's no cause
to keep pushing people by picking on them further. That doesn't usually make people more pleasant in my
experience. It usually just puts them on the defensive and I don't see any reason to make people feel like that.

Oh, I thought you were talking about leaving this forum.
No, I don't see any reason to do that. I do regret leaving TSE though because there were a lot
of people on there I cared about and even one friendship I totally screwed over by leaving the
forum and not telling somebody who was on that forum who I formed a bond with.

But I felt like I had to leave because certain people picked on me because they made certain
unfounded assumptions about me instead of trying to find out what was really going on inside
my head.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 08:47:46 PM
Since when do people usually respond with reason to anything?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 08:50:12 PM
Oh it's true,they are fine with you being one as long as they don't know about it.  Once they find it they will use it as an excuse to attack you in every thread in the forum,even if it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.  They will say it is important to talk about and so it has to be talked about in every thread even though we have a thread devoted to just that type of talk.  They will tell you that it explains how stupid you are.  There is no getting away from it there is no room for Christians who don't hate themselves on this forum.  
Well, it's just something everybody will have to work on. Maybe they will after this.

My thing is I avoid the religion and politics threads because I know myself,I know that I have a temper and that when it comes to those two things I have a hard time controlling it.  So I find it really hard when they are brought up in a thread that has nothing to do with them.
No you don't.  You still spew your stupid little tirades on the politics thread.  Just like your pledges to leave this forum forever, this is a lie.

I should have said tried under politics,the trouble is sometimes there is news there I care deeply about.  I wonder how you would hold up if you were being hounded every second you were on this forum.  The fact is people like you who are friends with the mods are allowed to make personal attacks that if i made them i would be banned for.  The fact is there is a small group that controls what is and is not allowed to be said and believed by people on this forum and if people like be disagree on even one minor point we are hounded and our every post is used to start a flame war until we are forced to leave.  Can any of you say in truth that you have never made single spelling mistake in your inter lives,or you have never lost your temper and said something you wish you hadn't?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 08:50:21 PM
Since when do people usually respond with reason to anything?

Which brings this back to religion.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 08:51:46 PM
It's more like excited anticipation that an annoying house guest will finally leave.
I have a philosophy Thrifty. If somebody is annoying, I will go out of my way to make sure that I didn't do anything
to hurt them or make them feel like they have reason to be aggravated. And I sure as hell believe there's no cause
to keep pushing people by picking on them further. That doesn't usually make people more pleasant in my
experience. It usually just puts them on the defensive and I don't see any reason to make people feel like that.

Oh, I thought you were talking about leaving this forum.
No, I don't see any reason to do that. I do regret leaving TSE though because there were a lot
of people on there I cared about and even one friendship I totally screwed over by leaving the
forum and not telling somebody who was on that forum who I formed a bond with.
You're new here, aren't you?  Doctor Who is CONSTANTLY throwing temper tantrums with little or no provocation.  He is CONSTANTLY derailing threads and attempts by the actual adults here to discuss things normally.  He is like a 4 year old on a sugar high while you're at a nice restaurant.  I've tried to be nice, but my patience ran out a long time ago.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:54:21 PM
Which brings this back to religion.
I want you to think about this... both you and Sideswipe have now made clear your aversion to
all things religious, and yet you are also giving Doctor a hard time because of his perceived
paranoia about religious ridicule on the forum?
You're new here, aren't you?  Doctor Who is CONSTANTLY throwing temper tantrums with little or no provocation.  He is CONSTANTLY derailing threads and attempts by the actual adults here to discuss things normally.  He is like a 4 year old on a sugar high while you're at a nice restaurant.  I've tried to be nice, but my patience ran out a long time ago.
I'm not new actually, but when Doctor Who got on my case one time, I asked him why, we discussed it
and he apologized. Seems like he doesn't throw a "tantrum" unless somebody provokes him, and even
then it's possible to keep from putting him on the defensive.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 08:56:09 PM
Oh it's true,they are fine with you being one as long as they don't know about it.  Once they find it they will use it as an excuse to attack you in every thread in the forum,even if it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.  They will say it is important to talk about and so it has to be talked about in every thread even though we have a thread devoted to just that type of talk.  They will tell you that it explains how stupid you are.  There is no getting away from it there is no room for Christians who don't hate themselves on this forum.  
Well, it's just something everybody will have to work on. Maybe they will after this.

My thing is I avoid the religion and politics threads because I know myself,I know that I have a temper and that when it comes to those two things I have a hard time controlling it.  So I find it really hard when they are brought up in a thread that has nothing to do with them.
No you don't.  You still spew your stupid little tirades on the politics thread.  Just like your pledges to leave this forum forever, this is a lie.

I should have said tried under politics,the trouble is sometimes there is news there I care deeply about.  I wonder how you would hold up if you were being hounded every second you were on this forum.  The fact is people like you who are friends with the mods are allowed to make personal attacks that if i made them i would be banned for.  The fact is there is a small group that controls what is and is not allowed to be said and believed by people on this forum and if people like be disagree on even one minor point we are hounded and our every post is used to start a flame war until we are forced to leave.  Can any of you say in truth that you have never made single spelling mistake in your inter lives,or you have never lost your temper and said something you wish you hadn't?
Please.  Don't give me that "there's a special inner circle and I'm persecuted because I'm not a part of it" bullshit.  Your antics have gone on month after month, year after year.  Isaac was banned for much MUCH less and you have never been given so much as a day's suspension.  Yes I have lost my temper and said things I'm not proud of.  The difference is that I don't do it all the time.  The rest of us make mistakes.  You are a pathologically unpleasant person.  We have put up with your insane ramblings for years and you have repeatedly vowed to change only to go back on your word.  We're good people here, but you have run out our supply of mercy long ago.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 08:56:41 PM
Which brings this back to religion.
I want you to think about this... both you and Sideswipe have now made clear your aversion to
all things religious, and yet you are also giving Doctor a hard time because of his perceived
paranoia about religious ridicule on the forum?

Since when do people usually respond with reason to anything?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 08:57:40 PM
It's more like excited anticipation that an annoying house guest will finally leave.
I have a philosophy Thrifty. If somebody is annoying, I will go out of my way to make sure that I didn't do anything
to hurt them or make them feel like they have reason to be aggravated. And I sure as hell believe there's no cause
to keep pushing people by picking on them further. That doesn't usually make people more pleasant in my
experience. It usually just puts them on the defensive and I don't see any reason to make people feel like that.

Oh, I thought you were talking about leaving this forum.
No, I don't see any reason to do that. I do regret leaving TSE though because there were a lot
of people on there I cared about and even one friendship I totally screwed over by leaving the
forum and not telling somebody who was on that forum who I formed a bond with.
You're new here, aren't you?  Doctor Who is CONSTANTLY throwing temper tantrums with little or no provocation.  He is CONSTANTLY derailing threads and attempts by the actual adults here to discuss things normally.  He is like a 4 year old on a sugar high while you're at a nice restaurant.  I've tried to be nice, but my patience ran out a long time ago.

How come it's always my fault someone calls me a name instead of debating.

Well I am clearly not wanted here and I know you will not believe me but this time I am gone for good because there is no room in Rifftrax for Christians or anyone else who questions the users who rune this unfriendly forum.  I will say thing in going I will not put one penny towards keeping this forum running so you people who do the books by letting a few bullies run wild you have lost money.  If anyone else is sick of how they are treated on this forum I urge them to boycott it to this forum is full of the worst people on the planet.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 08:59:18 PM
Since when do people usually respond with reason to anything?

Which brings this back to religion.

Actually it describes how people go about their entire day beginning to end for the most part.  I mean hell this thread is why a movie is good or bad, which on the face of it, is not a rational topic.  

Quote
both you and Sideswipe have now made clear your aversion to
all things religious, and yet you are also giving Doctor a hard time because of his perceived
paranoia about religious ridicule on the forum?

Pretty much nailed it.  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 09:00:17 PM
Nailed it if you can't think very well.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 09:01:13 PM
Well I am clearly not wanted here and I know you will not believe me but this time I am gone for good because there is no room in Rifftrax for Christians or anyone else who questions the users who rune this unfriendly forum.  I will say thing in going I will not put one penny towards keeping this forum running so you people who do the books by letting a few bullies run wild you have lost money.  If anyone else is sick of how they are treated on this forum I urge them to boycott it to this forum is full of the worst people on the planet.

You're a ridiculous person.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 09:02:02 PM
Well I am clearly not wanted here and I know you will not believe me but this time I am gone for good because there is no room in Rifftrax for Christians or anyone else who questions the users who rune this unfriendly forum.  I will say thing in going I will not put one penny towards keeping this forum running so you people who do the books by letting a few bullies run wild you have lost money.  If anyone else is sick of how they are treated on this forum I urge them to boycott it to this forum is full of the worst people on the planet.
Doctor I can't address all your issues, but I am still in your corner, don't leave.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 09:03:22 PM
Nailed it if you can't think very well.

Please you some sort of actual reasoning to back this unsubstantiated assertion up or we are just back to,
Quote
Since when do people usually respond with reason to anything?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 09:03:29 PM
Where are the churches on the Enterprise???  Next to the bathrooms I guess?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 09:03:52 PM
It's more like excited anticipation that an annoying house guest will finally leave.
I have a philosophy Thrifty. If somebody is annoying, I will go out of my way to make sure that I didn't do anything
to hurt them or make them feel like they have reason to be aggravated. And I sure as hell believe there's no cause
to keep pushing people by picking on them further. That doesn't usually make people more pleasant in my
experience. It usually just puts them on the defensive and I don't see any reason to make people feel like that.

Oh, I thought you were talking about leaving this forum.
No, I don't see any reason to do that. I do regret leaving TSE though because there were a lot
of people on there I cared about and even one friendship I totally screwed over by leaving the
forum and not telling somebody who was on that forum who I formed a bond with.
You're new here, aren't you?  Doctor Who is CONSTANTLY throwing temper tantrums with little or no provocation.  He is CONSTANTLY derailing threads and attempts by the actual adults here to discuss things normally.  He is like a 4 year old on a sugar high while you're at a nice restaurant.  I've tried to be nice, but my patience ran out a long time ago.

How come it's always my fault someone calls me a name instead of debating.

Because your debate style is full of overblown ridiculous rhetoric and strawmen.  You "debate" about as well as I sculpt; in other words, terribly.

Quote
Well I am clearly not wanted here and I know you will not believe me but this time I am gone for good because there is no room in Rifftrax for Christians or anyone else who questions the users who rune this unfriendly forum.  I will say thing in going I will not put one penny towards keeping this forum running so you people who do the books by letting a few bullies run wild you have lost money.  If anyone else is sick of how they are treated on this forum I urge them to boycott it to this forum is full of the worst people on the planet.
Okay see you tomorrow.  I'll quote this back to you when you do.

You know, if you could even stay away for one month I might believe you had some trace of sincerity in your desire to change.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 09:06:04 PM
Where are the churches on the Enterprise???  Next to the bathrooms I guess?
There is clearly religion in the future. Spock even mentioned God, the Bajorans believe
in the Prophets. Hell, even that Dumbass Sybok believed in God, and he found.... well,
not God, but if there's a Devil...
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 09:07:43 PM
Where are the churches on the Enterprise???  Next to the bathrooms I guess?
There is clearly religion in the future. Spock even mentioned God, the Bajorans believe
in the Prophets. Hell, even that Dumbass Sybok believed in God, and he found.... well,
not God, but if there's a Devil...

Again, where are the churches on the Enterprise?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 09:08:47 PM
How come it's always my fault someone calls me a name instead of debating.

Because your debate style is full of overblown ridiculous rhetoric and strawmen.  You "debate" about as well as I sculpt; in other words, terribly.
[/quote]

Exactally right.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 09:09:27 PM
If Christ is the true God, and the only real God, then where are the churches on the Enterprise?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 09:11:31 PM
If Christ is the true God, and the only real God, then where are the churches on the Enterprise?
I don't know RVR, aside from the ONE marriage that took placing during ALL of TNG, was
there any reason to show churches on the Enterprise?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 09:11:43 PM
If Christ is the true God, and the only real God, then where are the churches on the Enterprise?

In the holodeck. Duh.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 09:12:15 PM
There is clearly religion in the future. Spock even mentioned God, the Bajorans believe
in the Prophets. Hell, even that Dumbass Sybok believed in God, and he found.... well,
not God, but if there's a Devil...


The Prophets are noncoporeal aliens
Sybock's god was a pissed off super power alien.

Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RoninFox on October 13, 2011, 09:12:28 PM
Where are the churches on the Enterprise???  Next to the bathrooms I guess?
There is clearly religion in the future. Spock even mentioned God, the Bajorans believe
in the Prophets. Hell, even that Dumbass Sybok believed in God, and he found.... well,
not God, but if there's a Devil...

Bringing up Star Trek V...yeah not the best idea in most discussions.  I remember reading Nimoy's book (The "I Am Spock" one, not the other) where he talks about trying to talk everyone out of using that script and that mixing Star Trek and religion that closely was a bad idea.  To paraphrase how he put it (since I don't remember the exact quote), "if we find God at the end, the audience will never buy it.  If we don't find God, there's no story."

But yeah, there's religion all over Star Trek in bits and pieces.  Sometimes its a just a detail for the characters, sometimes it becomes a big part of the plot or theme, like the episode where Picard was mistaken for the god of a planet.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 09:14:51 PM
In TNG it would be conducted on the Holodeck.  By the chaplains.  If they can have enlisted e-9s yet no e-1 through e-8s then on a ship full of officers i see no reason to believe  they would not have chaplains.  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 09:15:29 PM
My point is:  isn't Star Trek dissing Christianity as much as me and Sideswipe and other people are by not mentioning it?
It's almost like it doesn't exist in the future, or isn't a big part of space travel at the very least.  Science seems to be more important than praying in space.  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 09:16:39 PM
The Prophets are noncoporeal aliens
Sybock's god was a pissed off super power alien.
Canon please, because nowhere in the movie did they say God was an Alien? Yes I know
what the behind the scenes stuff said, irregardless of that fact, what they found was clearly
non-corporeal. And tell me, if you imagined God would you imagine anything less then a
non-corporeal alien?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 09:17:28 PM
Picard's comments on religion in Who Watches The Watchers are right on.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 09:19:39 PM
My point is:  isn't Star Trek dissing Christianity as much as me and Sideswipe and other people are by not mentioning it?
It's almost like it doesn't exist in the future, or isn't a big part of space travel at the very least.  Science seems to be more important than praying in space. 
The simplest answer is that the creator(Roddenberry) didn't want religious ideas to come about
at all during the series, therefore, no churches, mosques, etc.

However, when DS9 came along, the show was free to explore ideas of God and his relationship
to man via the prophets. Whether churches are on the Enterprise or not, religion does still exist
in this vision of the future.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 09:20:40 PM
The Prophets are noncoporeal aliens
Sybock's god was a pissed off super power alien.
Canon please, because nowhere in the movie did they say God was an Alien? Yes I know
what the behind the scenes stuff said, irregardless of that fact, what they found was clearly
non-corporeal. And tell me, if you imagined God would you imagine anything less then a
non-corporeal alien?

Spock:   Sybock, this is not the god of Shockaree, or any other god.

Unless you think god is so weak he gets his ass handed to him by a Klingon bird of prey's disruptor.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
Spock:   Sybock, this is not the god of Shockaree, or any other god.
Unless you think god is so weak he gets his ass handed to him by a Klingon bird of prey's disruptor.
Again, I didn't say he was God, I said he was The Devil, who is by definition not God. He may be a
God to others, but in any case it is clear he is a non-coporeal or spirit being of some kind.

Picard's comments on religion in Who Watches The Watchers are right on.
Yes well Picard also believed that it was better to hire captain kirk then to go further back in
time and punch Soren in ten-forward. This is the SAME picard who believed it was okay to
Transplant native americans from a planet in the Cardassian DMZ and yet he resisted moving
the Sona from their planet. My point is Captain Picard is a hypocrite.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 09:23:55 PM
Quote
My point is:  isn't Star Trek dissing Christianity as much as me and Sideswipe and other people are by not mentioning it?

Not mentioning something is not a dis.  They never ate a roast beef sandwich on the show either, this does not represent star treks view on roast beef or sandwiches.  

Also religion and faith comes up CONSTANTLY in star trek.  There are many varying views of religion from many different episodes.  To hold that star trek in fact has one pervasive opinion on pretty much any topic, is pretty much easily thwarted.  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 09:26:31 PM
Spock:   Sybock, this is not the god of Shockaree, or any other god.
Unless you think god is so weak he gets his ass handed to him by a Klingon bird of prey's disruptor.
Again, I didn't say he was God, I said he was The Devil, who is by definition not God. He may be a
God to others, but in any case it is clear he is a non-coporeal or spirit being of some kind.

Picard's comments on religion in Who Watches The Watchers are right on.
Yes well Picard also believed that it was better to hire captain kirk then to go further back in
time and punch Soren in ten-forward. This is the SAME picard who believed it was okay to
Transplant native americans from a planet in the Cardassian DMZ and yet he resisted moving
the Sona from their planet. My point is Captain Picard is a hypocrite.


He did not believe it was ok to move the indians,  He got an agreement with the Cardassians so they could stay on there planet.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 09:28:52 PM
I hope you all know you have driven me to drink.  well... maybe driven is a bit strong.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 09:29:54 PM
He did not believe it was ok to move the indians,  He got an agreement with the Cardassians so they could stay on there planet.
Only after a shitload of prodding by Wesley! When it comes to white people though, he's ready to fight for their right to... to...
to violate everything about their culture by using weapons to destroy, which is what the Baku were against anyway.

Funny how Picard is an enlightened intellectual one minute, then the next he's a gung-ho action hero ready to yell "Yippee
ki-yay motherfucker".
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 09:32:12 PM
wow, pulling the race card?  really?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 09:32:59 PM
wow, pulling the race card?  really?
Off-hand do you recall ONE Baku who was black?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 09:43:38 PM
Is there a joke I'm missing out on, or do people really not see the absurdity of this entire thread?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 09:44:11 PM
We do but you are enjoying it so much that we thought, we would keep the show going. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 09:47:28 PM
wow, pulling the race card?  really?
Off-hand do you recall ONE Baku who was black?

you are just trolling, aren't you?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 09:48:50 PM
Picard HAS to be racist.  He is French. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 09:50:18 PM
you are just trolling, aren't you?
Missing the point again Sideswipe....My point is that his character is a gold mine of
inconsistency.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 09:51:48 PM
Yeah, thats me.   Dumb old Sideswipe doesn't understand whats goind on.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 09:52:17 PM
Yeah, thats me.   Dumb old Sideswipe doesn't understand whats goind on.
don't insult yourself or imply that I did please. If I did imply anything, it's that you're not a mind-reader,
and that isn't the same as calling you dumb, it just means you're not a mind-reader.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Ortega on October 13, 2011, 10:15:50 PM
While i read maybe 2 pages of the beginning of the thread, and totally ignored it after that, see it essentially devolves into another one of Doc's Asperger fits.  I present Exhibit A.

(http://mydisguises.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/orion-slave-girl.jpg)

Movie rules.  Thread over.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 10:16:50 PM
I can see two things wrong with your argument, I call them bra and panties. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Ortega on October 13, 2011, 10:18:36 PM
yes, but they charge for those kinds of pics, and the alternative is 4chan's Rule 34 page, and who has the patience for 4chan anymore?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 10:18:55 PM
You clearly missed the best part, Ortega.  I basicly hand grenade the thread a few pages back and it went all down hill from there.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 10:20:22 PM
While i read maybe 2 pages of the beginning of the thread, and totally ignored it after that, see it essentially devolves into another one of Doc's Asperger fits.  I present Exhibit A.

Movie rules.  Thread over.

Wasn't that picture of the green chick the whole thing that started it down this path in the first place?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 10:20:43 PM
yes, but they charge for those kinds of pics, and the alternative is 4chan's Rule 34 page, and who has the patience for 4chan anymore?


Idiots.

You clearly missed the best part, Ortega.  I basicly hand grenade the thread a few pages back and it went all down hill from there.

Yup, pretty classic standard grenade, aka religion.  But was mildly diverting.  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 10:21:47 PM
While i read maybe 2 pages of the beginning of the thread, and totally ignored it after that, see it essentially devolves into another one of Doc's Asperger fits.  I present Exhibit A.

Movie rules.  Thread over.

Wasn't that picture of the green chick the whole thing that started it down this path in the first place?

no
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 10:23:02 PM
Yup, pretty classic standard grenade, aka religion.  But was mildly diverting.  
It's great that we can laugh about intentionally pushing somebody's hot buttons just for our
own amusement. It was pretty foolish of me to think we're all above that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 10:23:46 PM
Its started again!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 10:27:26 PM
Its started again!
Aw Jesus, nothing has started again, I'm just pointing out something that I think needed to
be mentioned... again.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 10:28:02 PM
Yup, pretty classic standard grenade, aka religion.  But was mildly diverting.  
It's great that we can laugh about intentionally pushing somebody's hot buttons just for our
own amusement. It was pretty foolish of me to think we're all above that sort of thing.

The grenade happened before that moment.  And I very NEARLY engaged rvrlover in a serious conversation.  That is pretty rare.  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 10:30:57 PM
The grenade happened before that moment.  And I very NEARLY engaged rvrlover in a serious conversation.  That is pretty rare.  
I guess you can kinda see then why discussion of religion at all is prohibited on a lot of forums.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 10:32:00 PM
Its a good thing freedom of speech is embraced here.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 10:34:18 PM
The grenade happened before that moment.  And I very NEARLY engaged rvrlover in a serious conversation.  That is pretty rare.  
I guess you can kinda see then why discussion of religion at all is prohibited on a lot of forums.

Not even close.  As a christian I find the very idea of limiting conversation of religion as offensive and basically cowardly. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Ortega on October 13, 2011, 10:36:08 PM
well, quite honestly, religion can be discussed on this forum in a civil manner.  Just a few bad apples have ruined the bunch, so to speak.  Or rather turn an innocuous discussion with a few gentle back-handed comments into matters of life and death.  Again, why my time here on the board becomes shorter and shorter.  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 10:37:19 PM
Not even close.  As a christian I find the very idea of limiting conversation of religion as offensive and basically cowardly. 
I do see the reasons why, even though I don't consider myself spiritual I do consider myself religious.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 10:38:51 PM
well, quite honestly, religion can be discussed on this forum in a civil manner.  Just a few bad apples have ruined the bunch, so to speak.  Or rather turn an innocuous discussion with a few gentle back-handed comments into matters of life and death.  Again, why my time here on the board becomes shorter and shorter.  

Well like i said before man.  I wish it was not.  I always found you to be quite pleasant to have around. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Ortega on October 13, 2011, 10:41:07 PM
Well, why i don't profess to be an expert on webdesign or netwroking, all the pages form every thread have to get stored somewhere, and some sites and message boards don't want their serverspace filled with 5684 pages on religious debate on a forum for cupcake baking.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Ortega on October 13, 2011, 10:41:54 PM
on a aside note, i gues i need to start using the quote function more often.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 10:46:16 PM
Well, why i don't profess to be an expert on webdesign or netwroking, all the pages form every thread have to get stored somewhere, and some sites and message boards don't want their serverspace filled with 5684 pages on religious debate on a forum for cupcake baking.

They need a place to talk about the controversial topics like, chocolate or vanilla.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Ortega on October 13, 2011, 10:48:19 PM
Well, why i don't profess to be an expert on webdesign or netwroking, all the pages form every thread have to get stored somewhere, and some sites and message boards don't want their serverspace filled with 5684 pages on religious debate on a forum for cupcake baking.

They need a place to talk about the controversial topics like, chocolate or vanilla.

Dude, never bring up the chocolate or vanilla topic.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 13, 2011, 10:48:55 PM

(http://mydisguises.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/orion-slave-girl.jpg)

Movie rules.  Thread over.

I am way hotter than that chick
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 10:49:36 PM
Well, why i don't profess to be an expert on webdesign or netwroking, all the pages form every thread have to get stored somewhere, and some sites and message boards don't want their serverspace filled with 5684 pages on religious debate on a forum for cupcake baking.

They need a place to talk about the controversial topics like, chocolate or vanilla.

Dude, never bring up the chocolate or vanilla topic.

That is just what a chocolate lover would say. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 10:50:31 PM
I am way hotter than that chick
Well you should post a pic of yourself then :).
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 10:51:47 PM
Well, why i don't profess to be an expert on webdesign or netwroking, all the pages form every thread have to get stored somewhere, and some sites and message boards don't want their serverspace filled with 5684 pages on religious debate on a forum for cupcake baking.

They need a place to talk about the controversial topics like, chocolate or vanilla.

Dude, never bring up the chocolate or vanilla topic.

That is just what a chocolate lover would say. 

neopalitan, bitch.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Ortega on October 13, 2011, 10:53:26 PM
Well, why i don't profess to be an expert on webdesign or netwroking, all the pages form every thread have to get stored somewhere, and some sites and message boards don't want their serverspace filled with 5684 pages on religious debate on a forum for cupcake baking.

They need a place to talk about the controversial topics like, chocolate or vanilla.

Dude, never bring up the chocolate or vanilla topic.

That is just what a chocolate lover would say. 

[Doc Who]I knew it, obviously this forum is not for vanilla lovers. Anyone who likes vanilla should be taken out and shot.[/Doc Who]

thank you thank you, tip your waitress.....
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 10:55:02 PM
consider yourself reproted.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 10:57:05 PM
Well, why i don't profess to be an expert on webdesign or netwroking, all the pages form every thread have to get stored somewhere, and some sites and message boards don't want their serverspace filled with 5684 pages on religious debate on a forum for cupcake baking.

They need a place to talk about the controversial topics like, chocolate or vanilla.

Dude, never bring up the chocolate or vanilla topic.

That is just what a chocolate lover would say.  

[Doc Who]I knew it, obviously this forum is not for vanilla lovers. Anyone who likes vanilla should be taken out and shot.[/Doc Who]

thank you thank you, tip your waitress.....

I can never get my waitresses attention
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 11:01:31 PM
[Doc Who]I knew it, obviously this forum is not for vanilla lovers. Anyone who likes vanilla should be taken out and shot.[/Doc Who]
thank you thank you, tip your waitress.....
I would like to know something, did anybody actually ever try to communicate with Doctor
Who in private to find out what his issues were? Or did everybody just keep picking on him
anyway without any attempt at understanding?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Ortega on October 13, 2011, 11:06:46 PM
A few years back he pretty much admitted he had Asperger's.  Plus, after a few years patience and understanding, and an untold number of complete and utter freakouts, things give way to loathing.  Hence, ridicule.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 11:07:44 PM
The more serious conversations were discussed a bit more honestly in the RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH thread as early as tonight.  There is a rather strange amount of duality on the internet. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 11:09:24 PM
A few years back he pretty much admitted he had Asperger's.  Plus, after a few years patience and understanding, and an untold number of complete and utter freakouts, things give way to loathing.  Hence, ridicule.
I have a cousin who has Asperger's, yes, I am serious. It has been a struggle not to ridicule
her when she acts like a total jerk, but I don't do it. You know why? Not just because
she is family, but because when people have a disability they cannot help but be the way
they are! That does not entitle me or anybody else to ridicule them behind their backs because
we don't like the way they behave. There's nothing amusing about belittling somebody or acting
condescending when they may very well feel they are justified for feeling the way they do.

When somebody behaves badly, I tend to want to reach out to that person. I tend to understand
the way a lot of people feel. I feel like sometimes I am an outcast and I'm not welcome anywhere,
so because of that I tend to reach out to the people who look like they're renegades but who at the
same time are vulnerable and are constantly picked on. My parents always taught me since i was
little that I should try and protect people who need it.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 11:12:35 PM
I know you are acting rational and reasonable and even charitable man.  I totally understand that and even agree.  However what can we do?  Just ignore him when he goes off the rails every single day? 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 11:16:39 PM
I know you are acting rational and reasonable and even charitable man.  I totally understand that and even agree.  However what can we do?  Just ignore him when he goes off the rails every single day?  
We just do our best Sarc. My role is in part to reach out. Some people obviously don't feel comfortable
doing that. But I'm the kind who really wants people to let off steam while I listen, I guess I've always
been pretty good at that. There's always people who feel like they're outcasts who shouldn't feel like
that. Maybe just kind of help them adapt to a socially productive atmosphere.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Pak-Man on October 13, 2011, 11:16:49 PM
Well, we shouldn't ridicule him on the spot for being who he is or for things he seems to have little control over. When not in freak-out mode, Doc Who? has provided a good many engaging and interesting conversations here. He's a good person, he just seems to have trouble percieving the greys between black and white. He seems to take disagreement as a personal affront, and while that's not the right kind of attitude to have in a crowd of snarky naysayers like us, it should probably be met with more understanding than is shown at times. Take the time to explain that while you might not agree with his opinion, it doesn't mean you think less of him for having it, and he usually calms down.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Ortega on October 13, 2011, 11:17:18 PM
A few years back he pretty much admitted he had Asperger's.  Plus, after a few years patience and understanding, and an untold number of complete and utter freakouts, things give way to loathing.  Hence, ridicule.
I have a cousin who has Asperger's, yes, I am serious. It has been a struggle not to ridicule
her when she acts like a total jerk, but I don't do it. You know why? Not just because
she is family, but because when people have a disability they cannot help but be the way
they are! That does not entitle me or anybody else to ridicule them behind their backs because
we don't like the way they behave. There's nothing amusing about belittling somebody or acting
condescending when they may very well feel they are justified for feeling the way they do.

Cool.  I commend you on the high road.  However, this board used to be my regular site, even was my home page for years.  But people like the illustrious Doc tried my patience, derailing every thread to culminate in someone somewhere being taken out and shot, or claiming that everyone hates him.  While he might have a problem, he does nothing to change it, and since he still posts prodigiously, he will try the patience of some people here.

Plus,  I freely admit that I'm kinda of a bastard.  ( See what i did there....)
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 11:20:14 PM
Plus,  I freely admit that I'm kinda of a bastard.  ( See what i did there....)

not to mention, its written in your sig.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 11:21:09 PM
Cool.  I commend you on the high road.  However, this board used to be my regular site, even was my home page for years.  But people like the illustrious Doc tried my patience, derailing every thread to culminate in someone somewhere being taken out and shot, or claiming that everyone hates him.  While he might have a problem, he does nothing to change it, and since he still posts prodigiously, he will try the patience of some people here.
Plus,  I freely admit that I'm kinda of a bastard.  ( See what i did there....)
Thank you Ortega. In such situations I would probably just PM him and say something to the effect of "I know where
you're coming from, believe me, I do, but it would be best if you just talk to me about what's going on, and we can try
to find the answers together, because what you're saying may not be understood the way you want it to be on the forum."

I have realized one thing about people with Asperger's, it's that sometimes they have extreme difficulty articulating
what's on their minds. I empathize with that, because up until a few years ago I had a very similar difficulty.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 11:21:49 PM
Quote
He seems to take disagreement as a personal affront, and while that's not the right kind of attitude to have in a crowd of snarky naysayers like us,

HOW DARE YOU SIR.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 12:08:16 AM
:(  everyone went to bed.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: mrbasehart on October 14, 2011, 03:57:34 AM
This thread is basically everything that's wrong with the internet.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 05:15:48 AM
Man! I hate I went to bed 6 pages back! :o
Yet another classic derail :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 05:27:57 AM
[Doc Who]I knew it, obviously this forum is not for vanilla lovers. Anyone who likes vanilla should be taken out and shot.[/Doc Who]
thank you thank you, tip your waitress.....
I would like to know something, did anybody actually ever try to communicate with Doctor
Who in private to find out what his issues were? Or did everybody just keep picking on him
anyway without any attempt at understanding?
Via E-Mail or private message?  No.  But we have tried reasoning with the man.  I once very politely told him that his frequent outbursts seemed like someone who needed mental help, and provided links to several social services that could help him free of charge.  Several people on this forum have tried to be patient and extend olive branches of understanding multiple times, but nothing ever changes.  He continues to throw temper tantrums and histrionic meltdowns and derail civil conversations.  We have tried to be nice but he keeps spitting in our faces. 

Put up with it another 6 months and you'll see.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 05:32:10 AM
Well, we shouldn't ridicule him on the spot for being who he is or for things he seems to have little control over. When not in freak-out mode, Doc Who? has provided a good many engaging and interesting conversations here. He's a good person, he just seems to have trouble percieving the greys between black and white. He seems to take disagreement as a personal affront, and while that's not the right kind of attitude to have in a crowd of snarky naysayers like us, it should probably be met with more understanding than is shown at times. Take the time to explain that while you might not agree with his opinion, it doesn't mean you think less of him for having it, and he usually calms down.
Speaking personally, I think that if I could get even one month's respite from the endless tirades, I could regain some patience.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 05:37:51 AM
A few years back he pretty much admitted he had Asperger's.  Plus, after a few years patience and understanding, and an untold number of complete and utter freakouts, things give way to loathing.  Hence, ridicule.
I have a cousin who has Asperger's, yes, I am serious. It has been a struggle not to ridicule
her when she acts like a total jerk, but I don't do it. You know why? Not just because
she is family, but because when people have a disability they cannot help but be the way
they are! That does not entitle me or anybody else to ridicule them behind their backs because
we don't like the way they behave. There's nothing amusing about belittling somebody or acting
condescending when they may very well feel they are justified for feeling the way they do.

Cool.  I commend you on the high road.  However, this board used to be my regular site, even was my home page for years.  But people like the illustrious Doc tried my patience, derailing every thread to culminate in someone somewhere being taken out and shot, or claiming that everyone hates him.  While he might have a problem, he does nothing to change it, and since he still posts prodigiously, he will try the patience of some people here.

Plus,  I freely admit that I'm kinda of a bastard.  ( See what i did there....)

Thumbs up. 

I have issues too.  At times in the past on this forum and others, as well as in real life, I've allowed my ego and my anger to rage out of control, and I would say these unbelievably cruel things to people just to hurt them.  This wasn't one or two people, it was a lot of people.  And I still do occasionally lash out.  I was diagnosed with clinical depression 20 years ago, and have struggled with various medications and therapists since then.  However, I have always recognized that I was responsible for how my disorder affected my behavior and other people's perception of me.  Doc seems content to shrug and say "I have a disease" and use that to run uncontrolled.  Again, it's like a noisy child running free in a nice restaurant, and you just say "It's okay he's just a child".
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: doggans on October 14, 2011, 06:21:16 AM
Not to be all "on topic" and everything, but I do have a few things to say about the Kurtzman/Orci debate from last night.

I love the fact that people always claim that Star Trek is just like Transformers. I don't think anyone would be saying that if two of the writers hadn't worked on Transformers. Given their track records as writers and creators on Alias,Lost,and Fringe I am guessing they were doing Tranformers because they were hired to write it and Bay wanted the movie done one way so they gave him the script he wanted.  Most writers have to do whatever work comes their way and one of the things they have to do is give the director the script he wants,I don't see why Trasformers should be held against them for the rest of their lives. Outside of those three movies they have a pretty good track record.

That's completely moronic if they were that good they wouldn't lower their standards just to please the director.

You're making the HUGE assumption that what we see on the screen in the Transformers movies IN ANY WAY resembled what was on the page. :P Given the "bad improv" nature of all of the Witwicky scenes, I think the only actors who stuck to scripted lines were the ones who had to spout technobabble.

I can't find it right now, but I remember watching a round table discussion with the screenwriters of several blockbusters, including either Kurtzman or Orci, I forget which. While they couldn't say anything explicitly negative about the films, they certainly implied conditions that would make anybody turn in shoddy work. Scenes were made for the trailer before the first word of the script was written, and those scenes had to be worked in. The deadlines were VERY short, and the script constantly had to be rewritten--except it couldn't in the case of Transformers 2 because of the writers strike. And, of course, whether or not the script was even *followed* was completely at the whim of the director, when it wasn't at the whim of the studio.

A credited writer can rarely be blamed (well, at least not solely blamed) for the quality of a Hollywood film. And thank God, because I'd hate to dismiss Bill's work on RiffTrax just because "Meet Dave" sucked. :P

That said, for all I know Kurtzman and Orci COULD still be bad writers. I haven't seen much Fringe (despite several obsessed friends), so I can't say much about their work on it one way or another.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 14, 2011, 07:18:31 AM
I want to bring back the Doc Who topic:

Gunflyer, I have been very patient and understanding. I wrote a rather nice post to both him and Imrahil explaining why I wanted them to stop bickering in my Star Trek thread (The one that started it all!)

My issue with Doctor Who is that he refuses to learn from his mistakes. When people have made a point to explain why his argument is strawmanning, why we are not ganging up on him, or that WE ARE NOT GOING TO KILL ANYONE THAT MISSPELLS A WORD, he comes back the next day like it never happened. I want nothing more for Doc to have a wonderful life (which is what I wish for everyone on this board except that one dude) but if you don't remember the past and learn from it, the present will not be any different.

Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 08:16:01 AM
Hate to do another "me too" post, but Anais sums it up rather nicely.

I can understand how our actions can seem cruel to an outsider who isn't familiar with the history of this board and its interactions with Doc.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: ScottotD on October 14, 2011, 09:00:19 AM
I would like to know something, did anybody actually ever try to communicate with Doctor
Who in private to find out what his issues were? Or did everybody just keep picking on him
anyway without any attempt at understanding?

For about 4 years or so I attempted to converse and rationalise with him and... whoever that angry woman was that he'd often get caught in out-of-control arguements with but I gave up on both of them a year or so ago when it became clear rational thought wasn't something they were interested in.  Honestly I was stunned to learn Who wan't around 14 years old semi-recently, also, I AM REPORTING ALL OF YOU!  Expect some sort of pompous bollocks from Tripe by way of punishment.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 09:06:13 AM
Quote
pompous bollocks from Tripe

This sounds remarkably dirty.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Bob on October 14, 2011, 09:07:59 AM
Expect some sort of pompous bollocks from Tripe by way of punishment.


"Pompous Bollocks" is the name of my Clash cover band.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 09:12:35 AM
For about 4 years or so I attempted to converse and rationalise with him and... whoever that angry woman was that he'd often get caught in out-of-control arguments with but I gave up on both of them a year or so ago when it became clear rational thought wasn't something they were interested in.  Honestly I was stunned to learn Who wan't around 14 years old semi-recently
See the thing is the way everybody seems to talk while he's around doesn't seem so much designed to be reasonable
with him but to put him even further on the defensive. If he hasn't got a reason to be defensive then nobody is to blame,
not even him, it's the disorder he suffers from. If people talked about me the same way they talk about him on this forum
I might be paranoid and constantly argumentative as well.

Via E-Mail or private message?  No.  But we have tried reasoning with the man.  I once very politely told him that his frequent outbursts seemed like someone who needed mental help, and provided links to several social services that could help him free of charge. 
How would you feel Thrifty if somebody sent you links like that? It also strikes me that there's not really any
polite way of telling anybody they need mental help. I guess the best thing to say would be we're here for you,
I don't know, I'm not an expert and I admit I'm not privy to everything that went on before.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 09:16:26 AM
This thread is like a train wreck, specificaly it is like that train wreck in inception where the train just keeps on going. 

A train wreck that keeps on truckin'. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 09:20:38 AM
For about 4 years or so I attempted to converse and rationalise with him and... whoever that angry woman was that he'd often get caught in out-of-control arguments with but I gave up on both of them a year or so ago when it became clear rational thought wasn't something they were interested in.  Honestly I was stunned to learn Who wan't around 14 years old semi-recently
See the thing is the way everybody seems to talk while he's around doesn't seem so much designed to be reasonable
with him but to put him even further on the defensive. If he hasn't got a reason to be defensive then nobody is to blame,
not even him, it's the disorder he suffers from. If people talked about me the same way they talk about him on this forum
I might be paranoid and constantly argumentative as well.

Do you not understand what people are saying here? The sympathetic, reasonable, patience train left the station a long, long time ago.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: ScottotD on October 14, 2011, 09:24:19 AM
For about 4 years or so I attempted to converse and rationalise with him and... whoever that angry woman was that he'd often get caught in out-of-control arguments with but I gave up on both of them a year or so ago when it became clear rational thought wasn't something they were interested in.  Honestly I was stunned to learn Who wan't around 14 years old semi-recently
See the thing is the way everybody seems to talk while he's around doesn't seem so much designed to be reasonable
with him but to put him even further on the defensive. If he hasn't got a reason to be defensive then nobody is to blame,
not even him, it's the disorder he suffers from. If people talked about me the same way they talk about him on this forum
I might be paranoid and constantly argumentative as well.
 
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I don't want to be rude but I think there's only so long a group of... basically strangers can be expected to humor someone.  That's why I've chose to (largely) just ignore him and several other memebers who I felt it wasn't worth my time/frustration trying to figure out or talk to.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 14, 2011, 09:29:18 AM
Gunflyer, I hear what you are saying and I understand where you are coming from. I hope you continue to respect Dr. Who and I hope you try to reach out to him and if you want backup then I will reach out to him with you.

Me? I will continue to be rational with him expect when I talk about my drinking (which is just a veiled cry for help for my alcoholism which no one seems to care about  :'()



Just kidding, my alcoholism is not veiled
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 09:31:18 AM
Gunflyer, I hear what you are saying and I understand where you are coming from. I hope you continue to respect Dr. Who and I hope you try to reach out to him and if you want backup then I will reach out to him with you.
Me? I will continue to be rational with him expect when I talk about my drinking (which is just a veiled cry for help for my alcoholism which no one seems to care about  :'()
Just kidding, my alcoholism is not veiled
If you ever want to talk, I'm here for you too. :)
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 10:15:43 AM
Via E-Mail or private message?  No.  But we have tried reasoning with the man.  I once very politely told him that his frequent outbursts seemed like someone who needed mental help, and provided links to several social services that could help him free of charge. 
How would you feel Thrifty if somebody sent you links like that? It also strikes me that there's not really any
polite way of telling anybody they need mental help. I guess the best thing to say would be we're here for you,
I don't know, I'm not an expert and I admit I'm not privy to everything that went on before.

You can check out the post where I did it here (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=21040.msg623191#msg623191), or read the whole thread in context here (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=21040.0) and note how we started trying to be polite, but he very quickly jumped off the rails.

Or cruise through the Brand Spanking New Political Thread or The Economic Downturn thread, and get some context, then come back and judge us.  As D. B. Barnes said, "The sympathetic, reasonable, patience train left the station a long, long time ago."

It's a lot like what the justice system does with people arrested on drug offenses.  They will try to show leniency and put them in drug treatment programs instead of jail, even going so far as to withhold putting a felony conviction on their records.  Except that the offenders are often known to skip out on the drug treatment programs multiple times.  After being given a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th chance, the judges eventually run out of patience and impose the stiffer penalties.

Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 14, 2011, 10:36:20 AM
Gunflyer, I hear what you are saying and I understand where you are coming from. I hope you continue to respect Dr. Who and I hope you try to reach out to him and if you want backup then I will reach out to him with you.

Me? I will continue to be rational with him expect when I talk about my drinking (which is just a veiled cry for help for my alcoholism which no one seems to care about  :'()



Just kidding, my alcoholism is not veiled

I'll reach-around to you if you need that, Anais.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: wurwolf on October 14, 2011, 10:36:40 AM
Gunflyer, I want you to stop thinking about poor Doctor Who? and the people who provoke him without cause for a moment and read this:

Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other

Stop tossing your big words around, because you still sound like a moron. You are congratulating yourself for being smart in spite of your poor command of the English language, and you are ignoring the fact that other people view your claims of intelligence with skepticism because of your poor command of the English language. You are missing the entire point of communication -- if you cannot communicate properly, your words are likely to fall on deaf ears. And at that point, who cares how smart you are?

At this point I'm done. If you want to continue to write illegibly in a medium in which the entire point is to make yourself understood, then have at it.

So the first time you misspell something or use bad gamer are you going to live up to the standard you have set for the rest of the world?  Will you declare yourself a worthless moron and kill yourself because you are too stupid to live and the world would be better off with out you? People like you should be forced by law to live to the standards they set for others. If I ran things the first time you misspelled something you would be taken out and shot. You have said that people that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live,I say that same standard should apply to you.

That's the GRAMMAR who cares thread. HE was the one who jumped in here. Before this post Doctor Who? had contributed nothing to the conversation, nor was he mentioned prior to this post. I called sarcasm a moron but there's a big difference between that and "kill yourself", "the world would be better off without you" and "you should be taken out and shot." Besides, sarcasm's a big boy, I'm sure he's been called worse by more intelligent people than me. Had someone said, "Yeah, that Doctor Who?, he's a real dumbass who likes to bone farm animals and ritually sacrifice kittens to Baal, then maybe he could have responded with that sort of vitriol, but my comment wasn't even directed at him. Can you see why dealing with him, "Aspbergers Syndrome" or no, is an exercise in utter frustration and futility?

Whatever he claims has been done to him on this forum, he's done to himself. I am willing to bet that most of us here are not practiced therapists, nor are we members of Doctor Who?'s family. Why should we have to deal with this? He does nothing to add to the conversation and instead fills it up with hate speech, bigotry and willful ignorance. He makes posts claiming that he's had it with this place and Rifftrax will never see another cent of his money, and then he's back for round one billion the next day. He bemoans his lack of employment and money while at the same time making posts about which console should he buy, the xbox or the PS3. It's ridiculous, and frankly it's enough already.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 10:41:01 AM
Gunflyer, I want you to stop thinking about poor Doctor Who? and the people who provoke him without cause for a moment and read this:

Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other

Stop tossing your big words around, because you still sound like a moron. You are congratulating yourself for being smart in spite of your poor command of the English language, and you are ignoring the fact that other people view your claims of intelligence with skepticism because of your poor command of the English language. You are missing the entire point of communication -- if you cannot communicate properly, your words are likely to fall on deaf ears. And at that point, who cares how smart you are?

At this point I'm done. If you want to continue to write illegibly in a medium in which the entire point is to make yourself understood, then have at it.

So the first time you misspell something or use bad gamer are you going to live up to the standard you have set for the rest of the world?  Will you declare yourself a worthless moron and kill yourself because you are too stupid to live and the world would be better off with out you? People like you should be forced by law to live to the standards they set for others. If I ran things the first time you misspelled something you would be taken out and shot. You have said that people that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live,I say that same standard should apply to you.

That's the GRAMMAR who cares thread. HE was the one who jumped in here. Before this post Doctor Who? had contributed nothing to the conversation, nor was he mentioned prior to this post. I called sarcasm a moron but there's a big difference between that and "kill yourself", "the world would be better off without you" and "you should be taken out and shot." Besides, sarcasm's a big boy, I'm sure he's been called worse by more intelligent people than me. Had someone said, "Yeah, that Doctor Who?, he's a real dumbass who likes to bone farm animals and ritually sacrifice kittens to Baal, then maybe he could have responded with that sort of vitriol, but my comment wasn't even directed at him. Can you see why dealing with him, "Aspbergers Syndrome" or no, is an exercise in utter frustration and futility?

Whatever he claims has been done to him on this forum, he's done to himself. I am willing to bet that most of us here are not practiced therapists, nor are we members of Doctor Who?'s family. Why should we have to deal with this? He does nothing to add to the conversation and instead fills it up with hate speech, bigotry and willful ignorance. He makes posts claiming that he's had it with this place and Rifftrax will never see another cent of his money, and then he's back for round one billion the next day. He bemoans his lack of employment and money while at the same time making posts about which console should he buy, the xbox or the PS3. It's ridiculous, and frankly it's enough already.

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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 14, 2011, 11:46:40 AM
Also, go to the RARGH thread and the Economic Downturn thread and see the reactions us forum members have to his current economic news. We may mock him because we are tired, but we do still care. Why? because despite it all, he is one of us!  :highfive:
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: wurwolf on October 14, 2011, 11:58:34 AM
Also, go to the RARGH thread and the Economic Downturn thread and see the reactions us forum members have to his current economic news. We may mock him because we are tired, but we do still care. Why? because despite it all, he is one of us!  :highfive:

I completely disagree with this statement. Don't include me in this broad assessment.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 12:04:08 PM
I completely disagree that wurwolf disagrees.   I aim to prove it too.  I will begin typing my manifesto. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 14, 2011, 12:18:47 PM
Also, go to the RARGH thread and the Economic Downturn thread and see the reactions us forum members have to his current economic news. We may mock him because we are tired, but we some of us do still care. Why? because despite it all, he is one of us!  :highfive:

I completely disagree with this statement. Don't include me in this broad assessment.

My apologies. Is this better?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2011, 12:28:41 PM
wtf is this shit?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 14, 2011, 12:30:37 PM
wtf is this shit?

JC, do you enjoy trainwreks and seeing people's flailng bodies all mutated and bleeding while people in the background are vomiting their Olive Garden and screaming "Oh the humanity!!!!!"

If the answer is "no," I suggest you walk away....slowly
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2011, 12:32:24 PM
That was my reaction after skimming through all of it.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 14, 2011, 12:34:35 PM
Oh...well then I don't have an answer for you
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: wurwolf on October 14, 2011, 12:35:47 PM
Also, go to the RARGH thread and the Economic Downturn thread and see the reactions us forum members have to his current economic news. We may mock him because we are tired, but we some of us do still care. Why? because despite it all, he is one of us!  :highfive:

I completely disagree with this statement. Don't include me in this broad assessment.

My apologies. Is this better?

I guess, except I was really disagreeing with the "he is one of us" thing. He's not.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 14, 2011, 12:38:29 PM
Also, go to the RARGH thread and the Economic Downturn thread and see the reactions us forum members have to his current economic news. We may mock him because we are tired, but we some of us do still care. Why? because despite it all, he is one of us!  :highfive:

I completely disagree with this statement. Don't include me in this broad assessment.

My apologies. Is this better?

I guess, except I was really disagreeing with the "he is one of us" thing. He's not.

Eh, he's still a human being (albeit an immature one) and he does love rifftrax. I will respect your opinion though
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: gbeenie on October 14, 2011, 12:39:27 PM
Shouldn't this post be in the Movies thread?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 14, 2011, 12:41:49 PM
Shouldn't this post be in the Movies thread?

Oddly enough

Shouldn't this be in "movies", not "television"?   Fail.

Since Doc started this thread, it's expected to be in the wrong catagory :D
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: a pretty girl is like on October 14, 2011, 12:42:56 PM
Nah, it should be in the Fan Art Submissions section because there's some crazy Dada performance art shit totally happening here I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 12:50:59 PM
I hope he did not get a government art grant for it then. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Invader_quirk on October 14, 2011, 01:01:36 PM
I would just like to say that I've always been sympathetic to Doctor Who?. The guy has asperger's, and it's clear that most of you don't understand what that is like. I have a friend with asperger's, you all know him as Insulterkiller or his other numerous aliases. I know him in real life and I'm why he came to this forum. I know it seems like Doc refuses to learn, but that's just part of it. It takes a long time, A VERY LONG TIME for somebody with asperger's to stop thinking about something that's bugged or hurt them, and they are also very prone to being hurt. Insulterkiller, as you may remember, LOVES Nestor the Long-Eared Christmas Donkey and was furious at Mike's riff. He was furious at me for liking the riff. It took him almost a YEAR to get over it. Does this mean he's a bad person who "refuses to learn"? No. He eventually got off it, but his disorder made it take a shockingly long time. He's also an extremely considerate person and genuinely cares for me and the few other people who've stuck by him. By taking part in this forum, Doc's trying to communicate with people he has trouble understanding, but the "adults" here don't seem to be giving him the same courtesy.

Gunflyer, I commend you. I really respect that you've stuck up for decency with almost everybody laughing off what you have to say.

Doctor Who?, you've got it rough and that probably won't change, but I hope you stay and I hope you and this forum can learn to get along.

This forum could be a little friendlier. I know it's based around insulting movies, but acting the same way towards people helps nothing.

Oh, and, except for the superfluous ice world chase, I liked the new Star Trek.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 14, 2011, 01:09:00 PM
The guy has asperger's, and it's clear that most of you don't understand what that is like.

Sorry, had to butt in here. I do know what this is like. I don't want to say why or how, but I do. So when I say I want Doc to learn it's because of that personal experience. I saw how this person made their life better. It took 28 years to learn a lot of those lessons, but this person did. So I will stand by my statement.

Well maybe I will modify it to: Doc Who only shows us the bad and not how he is working on changing. He could say he does meditation every morning for all I care, but give me some sense that he is trying to deal with it. I have no sense of that right now
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Ortega on October 14, 2011, 01:48:31 PM
Also, go to the RARGH thread and the Economic Downturn thread and see the reactions us forum members have to his current economic news. We may mock him because we are tired, but we some of us do still care. Why? because despite it all, he is one of us!  :highfive:

I completely disagree with this statement. Don't include me in this broad's assessment.

My apologies. Is this better?

ok...fixed.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 02:22:37 PM
I would just like to say that I've always been sympathetic to Doctor Who?. The guy has asperger's, and it's clear that most of you don't understand what that is like. I have a friend with asperger's, you all know him as Insulterkiller or his other numerous aliases. I know him in real life and I'm why he came to this forum. I know it seems like Doc refuses to learn, but that's just part of it. It takes a long time, A VERY LONG TIME for somebody with asperger's to stop thinking about something that's bugged or hurt them, and they are also very prone to being hurt. Insulterkiller, as you may remember, LOVES Nestor the Long-Eared Christmas Donkey and was furious at Mike's riff. He was furious at me for liking the riff. It took him almost a YEAR to get over it. Does this mean he's a bad person who "refuses to learn"? No. He eventually got off it, but his disorder made it take a shockingly long time. He's also an extremely considerate person and genuinely cares for me and the few other people who've stuck by him. By taking part in this forum, Doc's trying to communicate with people he has trouble understanding, but the "adults" here don't seem to be giving him the same courtesy.

Gunflyer, I commend you. I really respect that you've stuck up for decency with almost everybody laughing off what you have to say.

Doctor Who?, you've got it rough and that probably won't change, but I hope you stay and I hope you and this forum can learn to get along.

This forum could be a little friendlier. I know it's based around insulting movies, but acting the same way towards people helps nothing.

Oh, and, except for the superfluous ice world chase, I liked the new Star Trek.

This was addressed.  For one, we don't know if a claim of Asperger's is true or not.  Even if it is, we don't have to put up with it.  As I keep saying, children are rambunctious, but you would quickly lose patience if they run around screaming and making a mess while you're trying to eat in a nice restaurant.

Wurwolf put it better, but the short response is that just because you have a disorder that may make you act out doesn't permit you to act out with no repercussions.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 02:36:54 PM
Well Garsh! Did I miss more derailment dissection here?? :P
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: lassieface on October 14, 2011, 02:38:09 PM
I've liked all of Abrams's movies. When people disagree I put my fingers in my ears and go "LALALALALALALAICANTHEARYOU!"
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Bob on October 14, 2011, 03:06:41 PM
I've liked all of Abrams's movies. When people disagree I put my fingers in my ears and go "LALALALALALALAICANTHEARYOU!"

Ah, I feel like James T. Kirk Chris Pine in that train movie "Unstoppable" trying to keep the thread on tracks and not derailing....

I did not think it was a BAD movie, just kind of an "okay" movie. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Pak-Man on October 14, 2011, 03:10:25 PM
Well if we're going to start using threads for their intended purpose, I've never been much of a Star Trek fan (Nothing against it. Just never had the time.) but I thought the 2009 movie was a great time. I think what it did, and why the Star Trek fans don't all dig it, was make it a little more like Star Wars in tone and pacing, which serves my Star Wars fanboy needs well...
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2011, 03:23:43 PM
Star Wars
Don't you  EVAR, say that word in a Star Trek thread EVAR again. *pees self*
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 03:24:55 PM
Gunflyer, I want you to stop thinking about poor Doctor Who? and the people who provoke him without cause for a moment and read this:
I know what you guys are getting at, I really do. I also know the mind is a funny thing. I know
what it's like to feel withdrawn, paranoid and feel like nobody wants you around and you've
unreasonably resigned yourself to negative feelings and opinions about others(again, perhaps
intensely irrationally), and that's just me. How much worse is it for somebody who has a mental
disorder that can do things to a person that we can't even begin to imagine? I mean if this place
is the only outlet Doctor Who has, what is the harm in putting up with what he has to say? True,
I saw how he has gone off the deep end several times,  but he's just a person with problems that
make him an ordinary person just like the rest of us. If you don't like what he has to say, just ignore
him, because aggravating people like that seems to just derail threads(like this one, which I admit
I take responsibility in derailing it as well) and increase forum drama just for the sake of a cheap
laugh at the expense of somebody's emotions. Please, if that sounds unreasonable at all, just
tell me.

I myself suffer from really bad depression, and unfortunately I don't have health insurance and
can't afford it right now so I've got to try and work my way through it despite it being the worst
damn thing in the world for anybody to go through. Oddly enough, even though it's turned me
into an intensely pessimistic person, it has also made me a much more patient and tolerant
person.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 03:44:11 PM
Gunflyer, I want you to stop thinking about poor Doctor Who? and the people who provoke him without cause for a moment and read this:
I mean if this place is the only outlet Doctor Who has, what is the harm in putting up with what he has to say? True,
I saw how he has gone off the deep end several times,  but he's just a person with problems that
make him an ordinary person just like the rest of us. If you don't like what he has to say, just ignore
him, because aggravating people like that seems to just derail threads(like this one, which I admit
I take responsibility in derailing it as well) and increase forum drama just for the sake of a cheap
laugh at the expense of somebody's emotions. Please, if that sounds unreasonable at all, just
tell me.

You can choose to deal him any way you want. That's your choice. Other will people will continue to deal with him in a way that works for them. At this point, it's been explained over and over why certain of us choose to deal with him in a certain manner. If you don't like it, just ignore it. Doctor Who? also has the option to ignore it.

"...he's just a person with problems that make him an ordinary person just like the rest of us."

Really? Can you imagine what this place would be like if everyone was just like him?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 03:48:38 PM
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Really? Can you imagine what this place would be like if everyone was just like him?

Even still, those differences do not build a wide enough chasm between us and him for us to justify treating him (or anyone) poorly.  The way a society treats its mentally ill is a reflection of the kindness or a society at large.  It is also a representation of the worthiness of a society to exist/survive. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
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Really? Can you imagine what this place would be like if everyone was just like him?

Even still, those differences do not build a wide enough chasm between us and him for us to justify treating him (or anyone) poorly.  The way a society treats its mentally ill is a reflection of the kindness or a society at large.  It is also a representation of the worthiness of a society to exist/survive. 

Has it ever been officially established that's he's mentally ill? All I've ever heard him say in his empty apologies is that he struggles with his temper. If he is mentally ill, what, if anything, is he doing about it?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 04:08:51 PM
Has it ever been officially established that's he's mentally ill? All I've ever heard him say in his empty apologies is that he struggles with his temper. If he is mentally ill, what, if anything, is he doing about it?
I think the question we should be asking ourselves is this, what is a person capable of doing about a disorder
like that? As far as I know, there's no cure for the disorder he's got. Even therapy isn't any kind of guarantee that
he will ever improve. And if his monetary circumstances are even half-true, then I'm not sure he's even capable
of getting any sort of money to get the kind of health care he needs to take care of his problems.

I also doubt he would admit having a disorder like that unless it was true.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 14, 2011, 04:14:25 PM
No, the real question is:  Why is this thread listed under television shows when this is a movie we are discussing?!?!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 04:18:21 PM
Has it ever been officially established that's he's mentally ill? All I've ever heard him say in his empty apologies is that he struggles with his temper. If he is mentally ill, what, if anything, is he doing about it?
I think the question we should be asking ourselves is this, what is a person capable of doing about a disorder
like that? As far as I know, there's no cure for the disorder he's got. Even therapy isn't any kind of guarantee that
he will ever improve. And if his monetary circumstances are even half-true, then I'm not sure he's even capable
of getting any sort of money to get the kind of health care he needs to take care of his problems.

I also doubt he would admit having a disorder like that unless it was true.

Did he admit having Asperger's or anything else? If he did, I didn’t see it. Somebody please point it out.

It's not the point anyway. Whether or not therapy would prove successful has nothing to do with it. The point is taking steps to attempt to improve your situation. Has he done anything about this?

And don't give me that horseshit about monetary circumstances. Why is someone in such dire economic straits pondering whether to buy a 360 or a PS3? Why does this same person regularly post his latest Blu-Ray purchases that further fill up his massive collection. Why is this person planning to buy a Kindle? This money could and should be going to therapy and, if necessary, medication. The poverty argument, much like most of his arguments, has zero credibility.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: anais.jude on October 14, 2011, 04:20:36 PM
No, the real question is:  Why is this thread listed under television shows when this is a movie we are discussing?!?!

I have to go with Mr Lover on this one
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 04:21:37 PM
We havent discussed how great that movie truly is in 15 pages, give or take.

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The point is taking steps to attempt to improve your situation. Has he done anything about this?

Yeah cause crazy people are great at self identifying and getting help. 
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Pak-Man on October 14, 2011, 04:23:22 PM
No, the real question is:  Why is this thread listed under television shows when this is a movie we are discussing?!?!

Wait. We're discussing a movie here?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 04:24:27 PM
No, the real question is:  Why is this thread listed under television shows when this is a movie we are discussing?!?!

I have to go with Mr Lover on this one
Is it really that big of an issue :o
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 04:24:44 PM
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The point is taking steps to attempt to improve your situation. Has he done anything about this?

Yeah cause crazy people are great at self identifying and getting help. 

That's horseshit as well! Doesn't he live with his family? Hasn't he admitted on numerous occasion that he has major behavior problems?

You got anything to say about the rest of my post, or are you just cherry-pickin' as usual?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 04:27:04 PM
Cherry picken doesn't sound too fun.. :scared:
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Invader_quirk on October 14, 2011, 04:33:02 PM
I think the points that Gunflyer and I are trying to make are

1. That may seem easy to you, but you have no idea.
2. He'd respond better and be more motivated to take those steps if he felt any sort of civility at all around here.
3. He will never be cured of this and the understanding individual would learn to ignore and not egg him on when he screws up.

And I get that some of you are not understanding people nor do you care to be.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 04:36:29 PM
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The point is taking steps to attempt to improve your situation. Has he done anything about this?

Yeah cause crazy people are great at self identifying and getting help. 

That's horseshit as well! Doesn't he live with his family? Hasn't he admitted on numerous occasion that he has major behavior problems?

You got anything to say about the rest of my post, or are you just cherry-pickin' as usual?

Yay the rest of your post is horseshit that does not deserve attention.  You have no idea what is money situation is and your conjecture about it is worthless. You have even less information on what crazy people are like.  Your lack of empathy for him is established, we get you do not like him and do care about him.  Got it.  Great.  You ought to care about him because it is the right and moral thing to do.  You clearly do not care about that either.   I doubt your the type who actual bothers with introspection, meaning you are not going to actually think about the value of your actions toward him.  Therefore there is no reason to try to convince you of about the morality of treating someone you do not like with respect.  You will do what you want no matter, and you will not pause long enough to evaluate why.  

Quit trying to add your opinion on doc you have established it fully.  

I also like how you believe fully that he lives with his family but think his money problem are false because it is inconvenient to your argument that he cannot be trusted.  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 04:37:17 PM
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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 04:37:37 PM
Did he admit having Asperger's or anything else? If he did, I didn’t see it. Somebody please point it out.
It's not the point anyway. Whether or not therapy would prove successful has nothing to do with it. The point is taking steps to attempt to improve your situation. Has he done anything about this?
And don't give me that horseshit about monetary circumstances. Why is someone in such dire economic straits pondering whether to buy a 360 or a PS3?
It's part of the disorder Barnes! IF he does have Asperger's(Somebody in this thread told me that
he said he did) then part of that disorder is that priorities are NOT in order. Now you can either do one
of three things: continue to ridicule the man, try to help him or ignore him altogether. You don't have to
help him or even converse with him, but you don't have to ridicule him either.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 04:38:22 PM
And don't give me that horseshit about monetary circumstances. Why is someone in such dire economic straits pondering whether to buy a 360 or a PS3? Why does this same person regularly post his latest Blu-Ray purchases that further fill up his massive collection. Why is this person planning to buy a Kindle? This money could and should be going to therapy and, if necessary, medication. The poverty argument, much like most of his arguments, has zero credibility.

I'm gonna point out as an addendum that the state of Delaware, where both he and I live (though thankfully on opposite ends of the state) has Medicaid and free mental health services.  My best friend has numerous mental health issues stretching back to her childhood.  She's also flat broke.  Yet she still manages to keep it together and get the help she needs.

I don't understand exactly what we're expected to do in the name of kindness and decency.  Many of us have tried to be understanding in the past, but he just ran roughshod over us.  He has some freakout, gets flustered and leaves, and then the very next day or even often later the same day he comes right back like nothing ever happened.  Over and over and over again, month after month, year after year.

I myself was majorly messed up in 2005 and 2006.  I was needy, obsessive, overbearing, violently angry.  It reached a point where I was screaming in anger at my three year old nephew for accidentally letting the dog out, and I ruined my brother's birthday party.  At about the same time, I sent a series of horrible, hateful E-Mails to my best friend which pretty much destroyed our relationship for the next 4 years.  I am truly blessed that she forgave me and our relationship is stronger now than ever.

But you know what the difference here is?  I realized I was bothering people and I changed.  Had I been more like Doctor Who, I would to this day be yelling at people, hurting them, being needy, clingy, and obsessive.  I would make insincere and half-assed attempts to change, and when pressed, act all persecuted and blame everything on my condition.

The path Gunflyer suggests is one of appeasement and enabling behavior.  It sends the message that this is okay.  That when you feel angry you can just vent, and there are no consequences.  It sends the message that you can emotionally blackmail people into being nice to you by playing on their sense of pity.  "Oh, don't be mean to him.  He has a mental illness."  Meanwhile he's saying that you should be dragged out into the street and shot, or saying things about rich people and Republicans that are so vile that if you simply substituted the word "Jew" you would have something right out of a Nazi manifesto.  But no, it's all okay, because he has a condition!

If he can stay away for 1 month, then come back, and apologize, and show us, I mean REALLY show us, that he's making an effort to change, I can be persuaded to be forgiving.  But my supply of forgiveness and patience is very short right now.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 04:40:52 PM
I think the points that Gunflyer and I are trying to make are

1. That may seem easy to you, but you have no idea.
2. He'd respond better and be more motivated to take those steps if he felt any sort of civility at all around here.
3. He will never be cured of this and the understanding individual would learn to ignore and not egg him on when he screws up.

And I get that some of you are not understanding people nor do you care to be.

And the point you are missing is that we tried #2.

To reiterate something Wurwolf said, we are not his family or his therapist.  We are casual acquaintances on the Internet, and it is not our job to put up with this shit.

Exactly what course of treatment are you suggesting when he spews hate and bigotry?  If I came in and said "My neighborhood is full of filthy niggers driving down the property values and destroying the town.  We need to round them up and give them their own neighborhood where they can be with their own kind and leave white people alone." would you advocate care and understanding?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: doggans on October 14, 2011, 04:43:38 PM
Did he admit having Asperger's or anything else? If he did, I didn’t see it. Somebody please point it out.

A quick forum search brings up this post (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=7326.msg220599#msg220599).

I've always been somewhat sympathetic toward Doc, but I'm also sympathetic to the people who are fed up with him. I've done my best to be patient with him and engage him in rational discussion over the years. It hasn't exactly been fruitful.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 04:46:13 PM
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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 04:46:26 PM
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The point is taking steps to attempt to improve your situation. Has he done anything about this?

Yeah cause crazy people are great at self identifying and getting help. 

That's horseshit as well! Doesn't he live with his family? Hasn't he admitted on numerous occasion that he has major behavior problems?

You got anything to say about the rest of my post, or are you just cherry-pickin' as usual?

Yay the rest of your post is horseshit that does not deserve attention.  You have no idea what is money situation is and your conjecture about it is worthless. You have even less information on what crazy people are like.  Your lack of empathy for him is established, we get you do not like him and do care about him.  Got it.  Great.  You ought to care about him because it is the right and moral thing to do.  You clearly do not care about that either.   I doubt your the type who actual bothers with introspection, meaning you are not going to actually think about the value of your actions toward him.  Therefore there is no reason to try to convince you of about the morality of treating someone you do not like with respect.  You will do what you want no matter, and you will not pause long enough to evaluate why.  

Quit trying to add your opinion on doc you have established it fully.  

I also like how you believe fully that he lives with his family but think his money problem are false because it is inconvenient to your argument that he cannot be trusted.  

How is it horseshit? And don't give me this ridiculous high-and-mighty act like you're some fucking saint who's never gotten into to it with the guy. That's a joke.

And where did I say I didn't believe his monetary situation? I'm commenting on his monetary choices. Don't talk to me about "inconvenient to the argument." You wrote the book on that. And are you saying he doesn't live with his family? And again (to Gunflyer), if his priorities are fucked up, why isn't anyone helping him manage that, as in the family he lives with?

I'll quit adding my opinion about Doctor Who? when Gunflyer stops insisting on trying to change people's opinions.

Thanks doggans. I appreciate the info. However, it doesn't change anything I've written.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 04:49:11 PM
I'll quit adding my opinion about Doctor Who? when Gunflyer stops insisting on trying to change people's opinions.
Barnes I'm not trying to change your opinion, I would just like you to consider your options
when it comes to the man.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 04:51:04 PM
I'll quit adding my opinion about Doctor Who? when Gunflyer stops insisting on trying to change people's opinions.
Barnes I'm not trying to change your opinion, I would just like you to consider your options
when it comes to the man.

That's what we keep trying to get across you. We've not only considered other options, but we've tried them over and over and over again. It's accomplished absolutely nothing!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Invader_quirk on October 14, 2011, 04:53:06 PM
Because your goal is to fix him. Can't do it. Won't happen. The goal should be to coexist and appreciate his good posts, which DO exist. If we're lucky, his crazy posts will go down.

EDIT: And I get it's way harder than people want to deal with. I don't think badly of anybody for wanting the guy to just leave. But PLEASE don't act like the people trying to reach out to the guy are pious assholes who just want to look down on everybody.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 04:54:03 PM
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The path Gunflyer suggests is one of appeasement and enabling behavior.  It sends the message that this is okay.  That when you feel angry you can just vent, and there are no consequences.  It sends the message that you can emotionally blackmail people into being nice to you by playing on their sense of pity.  "Oh, don't be mean to him.  He has a mental illness."  Meanwhile he's saying that you should be dragged out into the street and shot, or saying things about rich people and Republicans that are so vile that if you simply substituted the word "Jew" you would have something right out of a Nazi manifesto.  But no, it's all okay, because he has a condition

You do not have to say everything is alright to be polite to him.  You can tell him he is out of line without insulting the guy.  I am positive a therapist is not going to cuss him out to correct him.  You are absolutely right we should not appease his insanity, but it really is a matter of how you go about correcting that.  

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And the point you are missing is that we tried #2

We can try and claim that we did, but this is not entirely true and we know it.  Especially not since the mantra around here is (as of late) we have tried to be nice it did not work therefore it is his fault.  

Which is a shame because fault does not enter into it.  

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How is it horseshit? And don't give me this ridiculous high-and-mighty act like you're some fucking saint who's never gotten into to it with the guy. That's a joke.

Heh now who is going off the rails.  I never said/implied or made any comment that could ever be confused as such.  

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You wrote the book on that. And are you saying he doesn't live with his family?

No I made it pretty clear that if you feel his argument holds no water about how dire his financial situation is, then why bother randomly picking things to believe about him?

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However, it doesn't change anything I've written

Which pretty much is justifies everything I typed about you.  

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Because your goal is to fix him. Can't do it. Won't happen. The goal should be to coexist and appreciate his good posts, which DO exist. If we're lucky, his crazy posts will go down.

Bingo
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 04:56:21 PM
That's what we keep trying to get across you. We've not only considered other options, but we've tried them over and over and over again. It's accomplished absolutely nothing!
In this world we make dispensations for people who have serious disorders. As far as I'm
concerned, I would continue putting up with him because alienating a person is in my
opinion unethical and just not the right thing to do.
The path Gunflyer suggests is one of appeasement and enabling behavior.  It sends the message that this is okay.  That when you feel angry you can just vent, and there are no consequences.  
No, I would not suggest that, I even suggested publicly on this forum that he should ignore people who aggravate
him, if for no other reason then to prevent more drama and hurt feelings on both sides. I in no way suggested
that his behavior was okay, I do however suggest that little to nothing can be done about the disorder.

If you look at forum members in some way as extended family at all, then I hope you'll take to heart my suggestion
that you continue to put up with one another. You don't have to appease, enable or anything, but there is no reason
to hound a person because of their insurmountable faults.

I know that people on this forum purposely pushed his hot buttons regarding religion, full well knowing
how he might react.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 04:59:36 PM
Because your goal is to fix him. Can't do it. Won't happen. The goal should be to coexist and appreciate his good posts, which DO exist. If we're lucky, his crazy posts will go down.

EDIT: And I get it's way harder than people want to deal with. I don't think badly of anybody for wanting the guy to just leave. But PLEASE don't act like the people trying to reach out to the guy are pious assholes who just want to look down on everybody.
I don't think you're pious or snooty.  I just think you're a little naive.  Peaceful coexistence requires cooperation on the part of both parties, which is something we haven't been getting.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 05:04:17 PM
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How is it horseshit? And don't give me this ridiculous high-and-mighty act like you're some fucking saint who's never gotten into to it with the guy. That's a joke.

Heh now who is going off the rails.  I never said/implied or made any comment that could ever be confused as such.

Bullshit. You're all of sudden taking some compassionate high-road when you've completely fucked with him in the past. That should make you no better than me in your own eyes. Everything you typed about me, you might as well type about yourself.

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You wrote the book on that. And are you saying he doesn't live with his family?
No I made it pretty clear that if you feel his argument holds no water about how dire his financial situation is, then why bother randomly picking things to believe about him?

Jesus. You're completely missing the point on this. My point is that while his economic situation may be bad, he's making terrible choices with the money he has. How is that not clear?

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However, it doesn't change anything I've written

Which pretty much is justifies everything I typed about you.

Whatever. You can think I'm a horrible, immoral person, but while your judging me, try using a little of that introspection on yourself.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Invader_quirk on October 14, 2011, 05:10:23 PM
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I don't think you're pious or snooty.  I just think you're a little naive.  Peaceful coexistence requires cooperation on the part of both parties, which is something we haven't been getting.

Well, like I said, I have known somebody with asperger's for many years. I do know what to expect. My friend annoys me fairly often, and he'll never be a friend to me like I am to him. I don't mean that he doesn't like me, but that we just can't really talk or interact like two normal people. He'll always be weird in kind of a bad way and he'll always fly off the handle randomly, but it's gotten a little better because I don't egg him on, and I overlook his slips. He'll always be a bit of a burden, but I'm his friend because he needs a friend, and when he can articulate it, he let's me know that I've helped him in this way. I know you say you've tried the understanding route, but I'll be honest, and I mean no offense, but I've only see a few half-hearted attempts and I've been here a while.

So, yeah, it's pretty one-sided. If that doesn't sound worth while to you, then, well, I'm not surprised. Logically, there's no reason to do it.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 05:11:34 PM
Because your goal is to fix him. Can't do it. Won't happen. The goal should be to coexist and appreciate his good posts, which DO exist. If we're lucky, his crazy posts will go down.

EDIT: And I get it's way harder than people want to deal with. I don't think badly of anybody for wanting the guy to just leave. But PLEASE don't act like the people trying to reach out to the guy are pious assholes who just want to look down on everybody.
I don't think you're pious or snooty.  I just think you're a little naive.  Peaceful coexistence requires cooperation on the part of both parties, which is something we haven't been getting.

An interesting concept.  What does it mean on a larger scale?  Is this true of the Taliban and places like Iran?  I am asking just because it is an interesting thought is all.  

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That should make you no better than me in your own eyes.

I do not think I AM any better than you.  Again where did you get that absurd idea.  The only thing I see is different here at the moment is I can occasionally take a look back at what I have said/done and say I was wrong.  

If you are talking about the Kim Il Sung thing I was saying to him, you are probably right I should not have done that.  However I do think there was a rather uncanny similarity between Kims policies and what doc was saying in the thread.  I still do.  

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You can think I'm a horrible, immoral person,

Did not say you were.  i said you lack compassion about someone you do not like, and you have no interest in changing your mind.  Which is an immoral thing.  I'm sure on a day to day basis your average dealings with others mean you are a decent guy.  
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Invader_quirk on October 14, 2011, 05:25:38 PM
What makes this so difficult is that nobody wants to believe that a disorder can affect a person this strongly. Everybody wants to think that if you REALLY try, you can be normal, or that you can just medicate it away. This thinking allows us to not only continue treating people with disorders we find annoying badly, but also to never stop and think somebody acting strange might have issues. To think this way would require a lot of tolerance. Most of us simply don't want to do that. Also, if a disorder can permanently change a person, it raises very difficult questions about self, and it forces us to consider the blurry line between disorder and a "naturally" messed up individual.

Now, I know Anais mentioned an acquaintance that had significantly improved their life, but let's not forget that there are varying degrees of asperger's. It was recently actually stripped of that name and they now simply call it "mild autism", so it can actually sometimes be difficult to distinguish what was formerly called asperger's from full-blown autism if it's a really bad case.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 05:30:18 PM
What makes this so difficult is that nobody wants to believe that a disorder can affect a person this strongly. Everybody wants to think that if you REALLY try, you can be normal, or that you can just medicate it away. This thinking allows us to not only continue treating people with disorders we find annoying badly, but also to never stop and think somebody acting strange might have issues.
I could not have put it better.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 14, 2011, 05:52:32 PM
I'm starting to think both you guys might have issues.  Maybe OCD or something so I will start treating you "differently".  I want you guys to treat me "differently" too because I am a special and unique snowflake who needs tender love and care.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 05:59:52 PM
I'm starting to think both you guys might have issues.  Maybe OCD or something so I will start treating you "differently".  I want you guys to treat me "differently" too because I am a special and unique snowflake who needs tender love and care.

 "I held that life was a ferment, a yeasty something which devoured life that it might live, and that living was merely successful piggishness. Why, if there is anything in supply and demand, life is the cheapest thing in the world. There is only so much water, so much earth, so much air; but the life that is demanding to be born is limitless  -- Wolf Larsen
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 06:02:43 PM
I'm starting to think both you guys might have issues.  Maybe OCD or something so I will start treating you "differently".  I want you guys to treat me "differently" too because I am a special and unique snowflake who needs tender love and care.

 "I held that life was a ferment, a yeasty something which devoured life that it might live, and that living was merely successful piggishness. Why, if there is anything in supply and demand, life is the cheapest thing in the world. There is only so much water, so much earth, so much air; but the life that is demanding to be born is limitless  -- Wolf Larsen

"A strange man...defecated on my sister." -- Clifford Stern
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 07:09:50 PM
Stop talking about Korea. We get it. You served there. Nobody cares.  Also, stop trying to be a pretend philosopher. You're not. Nobody cares.  You keep deliberately ignoring what DB is saying, which is, "If you're on the edge of poverty, maybe you should save money instead of blowing it on expensive consumer products."
Perhaps you also ignored the part Imrahil where I said people with Asperger's
never have their priorities straight? That's part of the illness! It cannot be helped!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 07:11:08 PM
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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 07:18:54 PM
Whether or not the man can control his behavior is immaterial.  The end result is that he still acts obnoxious, hateful, and crazy.  It's like if a man murders someone and pleads insanity.  Whether the man is truly insane or not doesn't matter; you need him off the streets to be safe.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 07:26:23 PM
Whether or not the man can control his behavior is immaterial.  The end result is that he still acts obnoxious, hateful, and crazy.  It's like if a man murders someone and pleads insanity.  Whether the man is truly insane or not doesn't matter; you need him off the streets to be safe.
I'm sorry, you're comparing Doctor Who's behavior to that of a murderer?
Doctor Who is not hurting anybody. You may find his behavior obnoxious and hateful but honestly
is his behavior really hurting you in any way, shape or form? Tell me truly.
Because if you are mature you at least have the capability to ignore without
trash-talking him.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: wurwolf on October 14, 2011, 07:52:50 PM
I'm wondering what other internet forum would tolerate the hateful and abuse that Doctor Who? heaps on others, only to see him come back the next day, 'All better!" I'm wondering at what point the people who actually contribute to this forum and treat others with respect get to have their feelings considered. I'm wondering how many people who didn't know about this supposed mental illness read some horrible thing Doctor Who? has said and moved on.

Why do I, or anyone else here, need to listen to that offensive and abusive garbage? Why do we have to ignore it or turn a blind eye and say, "Oh, that Doctor Who?, he's such a cut up. He so crazy!"

Were he on another forum, he would have been banned long ago. Others have been banned here but he continues to hide behind "Aspbergers" or whatever fucking label it has this week and we have to deal with it, because somehow we're all suddenly licensed internet therapists. Next time he talks about wanting to throw me in a concentration camp or having me taken out and shot, I'll just sagely nod my head and stroke my chin and smile.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 08:02:50 PM
Whether or not the man can control his behavior is immaterial.  The end result is that he still acts obnoxious, hateful, and crazy.  It's like if a man murders someone and pleads insanity.  Whether the man is truly insane or not doesn't matter; you need him off the streets to be safe.
I'm sorry, you're comparing Doctor Who's behavior to that of a murderer?
Doctor Who is not hurting anybody. You may find his behavior obnoxious and hateful but honestly
is his behavior really hurting you in any way, shape or form? Tell me truly.
Because if you are mature you at least have the capability to ignore without
trash-talking him.
No.  You missed the metaphor.  The point is that he is a social nuisance and a hateful bigot.  A better example may have been if a man is on a city bus screaming about how the CIA is monitoring his brain wave patterns, he may be honest to goodness schizophrenic, but that doesn't mean you just sit back and let him disrupt your ride.  You eject him from the bus.

Is his behavior hurtful?  Yes.  As Wurwolf points out, his comments are hateful, vitriolic, and bigoted.  If I came in here railing against "kikes" and "niggers" and "wetbacks" and "chinks" etc., would I get a free pass because I claim to have a mental illness?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 08:12:43 PM
If I came in here railing against "kikes" and "niggers" and "wetbacks" and "chinks" etc., would I get a free pass because I claim to have a mental illness?
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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: wurwolf on October 14, 2011, 08:16:12 PM
If I came in here railing against "kikes" and "niggers" and "wetbacks" and "chinks" etc., would I get a free pass because I claim to have a mental illness?
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No more than what we've seen on this forum already from Doctor Who?, RVR.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Invader_quirk on October 14, 2011, 08:16:19 PM
I assume you make people in wheelchairs take the stairs, then.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 08:17:17 PM
If I came in here railing against "kikes" and "niggers" and "wetbacks" and "chinks" etc., would I get a free pass because I claim to have a mental illness?
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No more than what we've seen on this forum already from Doctor Who?, RVR.
:D I know. I'm with you guys on this ;D
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 08:18:39 PM
By the way, Darth Geek, Doctor Who, and I all live in Delaware.  When the Rifftrax Live shows come to town, we all see them at the same theater if we see them.  For the Plan 9 show, we invited DW along, but that didn't work out because he forgot where he was supposed to meet us and we ended up waiting an hour for him until we ran out of time and had to go into the theater for the show.  Another time, for one of the other shows, we offered to pay the costs of his ticket and a dinner with the two of us.  It was Darth Geek's idea but I went along with it.  We did it because the man was going through a lot of personal problems and it seemed like a nice thing to do.  That didn't work out because Doctor Who couldn't get transportation up to Wilmington.  But the point is that we made the gesture to help the guy.  I'm not some bully picking on the emotionally unstable kid.  I'm a decent guy who has been abused and insulted and had venom spewed at him one too many times.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 08:18:47 PM
No.  You missed the metaphor.  The point is that he is a social nuisance and a hateful bigot.  A better example may have been if a man is on a city bus screaming about how the CIA is monitoring his brain wave patterns, he may be honest to goodness schizophrenic, but that doesn't mean you just sit back and let him disrupt your ride.  You eject him from the bus.

Is his behavior hurtful?  Yes.  As Wurwolf points out, his comments are hateful, vitriolic, and bigoted.  If I came in here railing against "kikes" and "niggers" and "wetbacks" and "chinks" etc., would I get a free pass because I claim to have a mental illness?
Maybe so but he seemed pretty calm to me until Sideswipe started pushed his buttons. But if you are telling it like it is
there's nothing I can really say to make things any better. Honestly, I don't know what else to say. He has done his share
of being a jerk it seems, but just like real life we don't get the option to banish people unless this is an episode of
survivor.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 08:19:55 PM
If I came in here railing against "kikes" and "niggers" and "wetbacks" and "chinks" etc., would I get a free pass because I claim to have a mental illness?
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RVR I hope you realize that I was using those words to make a rhetorical point and don't actually use them against Jews, blacks, Hispanics, or Asians.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 08:20:51 PM
If I came in here railing against "kikes" and "niggers" and "wetbacks" and "chinks" etc., would I get a free pass because I claim to have a mental illness?
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RVR I hope you realize that I was using those words to make a rhetorical point and don't actually use them against Jews, blacks, Hispanics, or Asians.
I know. It cave me a reason to post this emoticon  ;D
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 08:22:22 PM
I assume you make people in wheelchairs take the stairs, then.
This is why the Americans with Disabilities Act only mentions "reasonable accommodations".
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 14, 2011, 08:23:39 PM
SQUIRREL!

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Woah, got distracted there for a sec...

Heavy stuff...

I'd say don't respond when Doc says horrible stuff, just report it.   He does seem to be going over the edge more frequently lately.


Oh, and I almost got the nerve up to watch Trek'09 on Netflix the other day, but decided I'm sticking to my ban of this alternate timeline...
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 08:23:58 PM
Well said, wurwolf, well said Im, and well said Thrifty.

The forum really needs a "Like" button!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Thrifty on October 14, 2011, 08:24:13 PM
No.  You missed the metaphor.  The point is that he is a social nuisance and a hateful bigot.  A better example may have been if a man is on a city bus screaming about how the CIA is monitoring his brain wave patterns, he may be honest to goodness schizophrenic, but that doesn't mean you just sit back and let him disrupt your ride.  You eject him from the bus.

Is his behavior hurtful?  Yes.  As Wurwolf points out, his comments are hateful, vitriolic, and bigoted.  If I came in here railing against "kikes" and "niggers" and "wetbacks" and "chinks" etc., would I get a free pass because I claim to have a mental illness?
Maybe so but he seemed pretty calm to me until Sideswipe started pushed his buttons. But if you are telling it like it is
there's nothing I can really say to make things any better. Honestly, I don't know what else to say. He has done his share
of being a jerk it seems, but just like real life we don't get the option to banish people unless this is an episode of
survivor.
Sure we do.  If someone is being a hateful jerk in my house, I tell them to leave.  If someone is being constantly disruptive at the workplace, they are fired.  If someone is disrupting the peace on a bus, they are thrown off.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 08:24:40 PM
Well said, wurwolf, well said Im, and well said Thrifty.

The forum really needs a "Like" button!
I like your sig DB :D :D
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 08:25:33 PM
Well said, wurwolf, well said Im, and well said Thrifty.

The forum really needs a "Like" button!
I like your sig DB :D :D

 ;D

I'm a horrible person!
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 08:26:26 PM
Well said, wurwolf, well said Im, and well said Thrifty.

The forum really needs a "Like" button!
I like your sig DB :D :D

 ;D

I'm a horrible person.
Yeah it'll be awite though.. :P
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: wurwolf on October 14, 2011, 08:32:46 PM
I'd say don't respond when Doc says horrible stuff, just report it.   He does seem to be going over the edge more frequently lately.

I've decided that this will be the tack I take from now on.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 14, 2011, 08:41:29 PM
I assume you make people in wheelchairs take the stairs, then.
This is why the Americans with Disabilities Act only mentions "reasonable accommodations".

Those "reasonable accommodations" can still cost big bucks when building something new....  We added a new wing to our old science building about 6 years ago, the amount of ADA stuff you have to do is amazing, and much of it makes no sense but there's no exceptions for what type of building or activities go on there....


Sure we do.  If someone is being a hateful jerk in my house, I tell them to leave.  If someone is being constantly disruptive at the workplace, they are fired.  If someone is disrupting the peace on a bus, they are thrown off.

The only one that applies here is the bus one, since it's a public place strangers gather, and I'm not sure you've ridden many city buses?  ;D  But yes, someone being violent and making everyone around them uncomfortable should be taken off the bus and not let back on until they can behave themselves.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 08:44:39 PM
Sure we do.  If someone is being a hateful jerk in my house, I tell them to leave.  If someone is being constantly disruptive at the workplace, they are fired.  If someone is disrupting the peace on a bus, they are thrown off.
You're assuming the house or bus belongs ONLY to you. Dammit, I don't even know why I'm defending
Doctor Who anymore. I just hope that when and if he comes back he controls himself so he doesn't make
me look bad.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2011, 08:47:08 PM
I'm not sure if this has been said or not but this thread reminds me of the scene of Manos where they're voting on the fate of the woman and child.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2011, 08:47:50 PM
I gave up reading through this 3 pages ago, was there progress or does my theory remain true?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2011, 08:49:08 PM
Also I've been drinking lots of whiskey for the past 6 hours. I'm surprised I haven't passed out.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 08:50:45 PM
So how many people have to dislike the noisy rider? 2? 5?  You're assuming that because it doesn't belong to one person, that it's okay to act however you want in it.  
This is why park restrooms are what they are.
You're comparing text to noise. Text is less invasive as it requires you to actually READ IT in order
for you to be offended. In theory text is a passive aggressive form of noise, it's not like listening to
Hanson or watching a Twilight movie, it's more like reading the Twilight novels, which aren't actively
offensive because as I said... they're text! It's much easier to ignore stuff that's in text form. My point
is that it's an unfair comparison.

Please, if I am being unreasonable, let me know.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2011, 08:53:10 PM
I take that back, that scene in Manos... totally more entertaining at this point.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 14, 2011, 08:55:23 PM
I take that back, that scene in Manos... totally more entertaining at this point.

You didn't like my squirrel picture? 

 :'(
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2011, 08:58:18 PM
I'm sorry, Marty, like I said I meandered off a few pages ago. That was totally a squirrel and I can appreciate the effort put in to that.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2011, 08:59:41 PM
Don't worry, guys, I'll feel bad about everything I've said so far tomorrow. Until then keep on truckin'.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 14, 2011, 09:02:38 PM
That's a lie, I won't feel bad.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 09:03:52 PM
That's a lie, I won't feel bad.

 :cheers:

Stay thirsty.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 14, 2011, 09:06:45 PM
So how many people have to dislike the noisy rider? 2? 5?  You're assuming that because it doesn't belong to one person, that it's okay to act however you want in it.  
This is why park restrooms are what they are.
You're comparing text to noise. Text is less invasive as it requires you to actually READ IT in order
for you to be offended. In theory text is a passive aggressive form of noise, it's not like listening to
Hanson or watching a Twilight movie, it's more like reading the Twilight novels, which aren't actively
offensive because as I said... they're text! It's much easier to ignore stuff that's in text form. My point
is that it's an unfair comparison.

Please, if I am being unreasonable, let me know.

That's why I wish this board had a lot of the options other boards do, like ignore lists and unsubscribe/don't follow.  Would make it easier to ignore inflammatory posts.

To go more with the bus analogy, sure it's possible to ignore loud or obnoxious people, you pretty much have to, but if someone starts saying stuff like "everyone that does such and such should be killed", people are going to get uncomfortable and ask the driver to do something about it.

You're correct that text is easier to ignore than words, but if the guy on the bus held up a sign saying the same stuff as above the result would be the same.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 09:10:05 PM
That's why I wish this board had a lot of the options other boards do, like ignore lists and unsubscribe/don't follow.  Would make it easier to ignore inflammatory posts.
To go more with the bus analogy, sure it's possible to ignore loud or obnoxious people, you pretty much have to, but if someone starts saying stuff like "everyone that does such and such should be killed", people are going to get uncomfortable and ask the driver to do something about it.
You're correct that text is easier to ignore than words, but if the guy on the bus held up a sign saying the same stuff as above the result would be the same.
Well, in any case I think I've more then made my point sickeningly and abundantly clear over the
past 20 or so pages so it's about time for me to stop. I just hope if and when he comes back he
doesn't make me look bad for defending him.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 14, 2011, 09:14:11 PM
I just hope if and when he comes back he
doesn't make me look bad for defending him.

If history is any indicator, you're putting your eggs in a very flimsy basket.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Russell on October 14, 2011, 09:15:15 PM
If history is any indicator, you're putting your eggs in a very flimsy basket.
We'll see.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 14, 2011, 09:23:57 PM
Well, in any case I think I've more then made my point sickeningly and abundantly clear over the
past 20 or so pages so it's about time for me to stop. I just hope if and when he comes back he
doesn't make me look bad for defending him.

If the previous pattern holds (many times) he will act like nothing happened until something else sets him off.

At least he seems to be able to say he has some problem, sometimes, but only immediately after he's had a blow up.   But later on acting like it never happened there's no way to get better.  The mind can play some nasty tricks, that's what makes fixing it so hard sometimes.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 14, 2011, 11:41:09 PM
Quote
Stop talking about Korea. We get it. You served there. Nobody cares.  Also, stop trying to be a pretend philosopher. You're not. Nobody cares.

You don't get it and you never will.  Also I forgot exactly what you need to be a philosopher?  Some sort of license right?
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: bta on October 15, 2011, 04:21:34 AM
If history is any indicator, you're putting your eggs in a very flimsy basket.
We'll see.

Yeah, really quickly.  Do not buy your flimsy baskets from whatever retailer Dr. Who? uses.  They hold Blueray Discs and whatnot, but anything more than that and they crumble.
Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: RVR II on October 15, 2011, 05:19:52 AM
I think it's time to start issuing citations on this thread.. :o

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Title: Re: Star Trek 2009 sucks!
Post by: Tripe on October 15, 2011, 05:55:41 AM
No it's time it was locked, this is going nowhere.

Man I spend an evening helping Ann's granny after a fall and then reading Snuff, and this is what I wake up to. Sigh.