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Title: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 10:08:00 AM
So its come up a few times now so i figured we need this thread to keep us from derailing all the other threads.  Kinda like a rain gutter.

I say good clear thinking is more important than good clear presentation.  WHO DISAGREES :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mrbasehart on October 03, 2011, 10:11:24 AM
To a certain point.  The problem becomes when the good thinking is obscured behind terrible grammar.  It basically undermines the credibility of the person when it looks like a person has simply smashed his hands against the keyboard without any thought into how it looks to other people.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 10:17:34 AM
There are a couple of books that are good illustrations of how presentation matters:

Feersum Endjin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feersum_Endjinn#Plot_summary)

Flowers for Algernon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowers_for_algernon#Style)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 10:18:06 AM
I think of it like a sliding scale sort of thing.  You have to be in the middle.  You must have a good clearly logical point and your spelling must be good enough to make your post clear.  Of the two extremes though i would much rather have to dig through poor spelling and grammar to get a point i find profound then waste the two seconds to read a clear yet assinine thought.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Bob on October 03, 2011, 10:18:16 AM
To a certain point.  The problem becomes when the good thinking is obscured behind terrible grammar.  It basically undermines the credibility of the person when it looks like a person has simply smashed his hands against the keyboard without any thought into how it looks to other people.

So true.   Of course, it is more critical at work than on a forum for entertainment purposes.......
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Dim of the Yard on October 03, 2011, 10:20:08 AM
To a certain point.  The problem becomes when the good thinking is obscured behind terrible grammar.  It basically undermines the credibility of the person when it looks like a person has simply smashed his hands against the keyboard without any thought into how it looks to other people.

This is a sentence I can agree with. Poor grammar skills can get in the way of your point, irregardless of the fact it ain't as noticeable as a spelling error. Missing the occasional, mistake is all right. But even small, hard-to-notice errors is able to make your ultimate point uncohesive.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 10:21:21 AM
There are a couple of books that are good illustrations of how presentation matters:

Feersum Endjin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feersum_Endjinn)

Flowers for Algernon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowers_for_algernon)

Could you expound a bit?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 10:23:53 AM
I modified the links so that they lead to the pertinent section of the article for each.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
in the first book part of the book is written phonetically. excerpt :
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Woak up. Got dresd. Had brekfast. Spoke wif Ergates thi ant who sed itz juss been wurk wurk wurk 4 u lately master Bascule, Y dont u ½ a holiday? & I agreed & that woz how we decided we otter go 2 c Mr Zoliparia in thi I-ball ov thi gargoyle Rosbrith.
despite the bad spelling the point gets across. thats why i think spelling and grammer dont matter to a point. i mean if you start saying things like" sun owtsyde shown yelllow knot today yesterdaye" yea its a problem. but misplacing a comma or misspelling  words doesnt really make a major difference to me.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 10:33:25 AM
However, look at the second one as well.

Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 10:40:09 AM
Hmm interesting.  Have you read Flowers for Algernon?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 10:40:53 AM
I have. I've also read Feersum Endjin
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Dim of the Yard on October 03, 2011, 10:41:04 AM
Of the two extremes though i would much rather have to dig through poor spelling and grammar to get a point i find profound then waste the two seconds to read a clear yet assinine thought.

I'm usually the opposite, actually. I tend to assume that if the argument is lazily written, then it's not worth reading. After all, if somebody can't spend a few seconds to try to make it easier to parse, it seems logical to me that their argument or general point is just as careless as their sentence structure. If they don't look like they put forth the effort to make it comprehensible, why waste time trying to comprehend it?

It's perhaps not a very fair assumption, but it's one I constantly make.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 10:46:33 AM
I dont make a direct connection between grammar and spelling and intelligence.  I view both of those of signs of education (which i also dont associate with intelligence).  Granted there is a correlation im sure. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on October 03, 2011, 10:47:19 AM
I read Flowers for Algernon some years ago, and I found it kind of sad.  (In a good way.)  Anyway there is a difference between intentionally writing incorrectly to prove a point or because that's how the character you've created would write and just being too lazy to care about spelling or grammar.  I agree that knowing the rules of spelling and grammar does not mean you have good ideas, but it helps you express what ideas you have in a way that everyone can understand more easily.  If everyone just changed the rules of spelling and grammar to suit the way they feel like writing, communication would be a lot more difficult.  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mrbasehart on October 03, 2011, 10:48:08 AM
Of the two extremes though i would much rather have to dig through poor spelling and grammar to get a point i find profound then waste the two seconds to read a clear yet assinine thought.

I'm usually the opposite, actually. I tend to assume that if the argument is lazily written, then it's not worth reading. After all, if somebody can't spend a few seconds to try to make it easier to parse, it seems logical to me that their argument or general point is just as careless as their sentence structure. If they don't look like they put forth the effort to make it comprehensible, why waste time trying to comprehend it?

It's perhaps not a very fair assumption, but it's one I constantly make.

Same here.  It's also an innate reaction to the horrible prevalence of text and internet speak that's become so popular.

 It probably means I'm now old.  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on October 03, 2011, 10:53:46 AM
Granted, the rules of spelling and grammar in any given language do tend to change gradually over time.  It would take a lot of effort for most of us here to comprehend anything written in old English, for example.  But it seems like in the past there weren't as many people who got the rules of spelling and grammar as consistantly wrong as people do nowadays.  I may be wrong, though.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 10:54:52 AM
As one of the folks who have brought up this topic in the past, I'd just like to reiterate my point. I believe proper written communication shows you have enough respect for your ideas that you're willing to present them in the clearest, most accessible manner possible. It also shows you have a certain level of respect for those who read your ideas.

Would it kill people to capitalize the first letter of each sentence? Would it kill people to use paragraph breaks so as not to burn the eyes of the person attempting to read your lengthier posts? Would it kill people to capitalize the first-person pronoun "I" and its contractions "I'll" and "I'm"? Would it kill people to use apostrophes? Would it kill people to use spell-check?

It seems to me that it's well worth the minimal effort required to achieve proper written communication in order to make certain your ideas are presented as effectively as possible. It also eliminates the possibility of a person ignoring your ideas based solely on poor presentation.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 10:55:19 AM
Anyway there is a difference between intentionally writing incorrectly to prove a point or because that's how the character you've created would write and just being too lazy to care about spelling or grammar.
Not in this case, I cite them because they illustrate the distancing  effect of poorly written and constructed sentences. Of course they are deliberately written that way, but that is why Banks and Keyes employ it, because they distance the reader from the text.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on October 03, 2011, 10:57:01 AM
Anyway there is a difference between intentionally writing incorrectly to prove a point or because that's how the character you've created would write and just being too lazy to care about spelling or grammar.
Not in this case, I cite them because they illustrate the distancing  effect of poorly written and constructed sentences. Of course they are deliberately written that way, but that is why Banks and Keyes employ it, because they distance the reader from the text.
Why would they want to distance the reader from the text?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 10:58:48 AM
The problem is laziness in thought is pretty damned common and lots of people assume that when something is well written it must be thought out.  Grammar is easier to learn than critical thinking.  Again I would point at no point have I said grammar is unimportant.  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Pak-Man on October 03, 2011, 10:59:47 AM
As a professional editor, there's something in my brain that jumps up and screams at me every time I notice an error. That's because it's my job 8 hours a day to find and eliminate these things. There are some cases, though, where you just have to let it go.

It really all boils down to context.

If you're an author writing a novel, or a big company sending out a press release, or a student writing an essay paper, or a President of the United States about to address the nation, then you'd better get the grammar right. Your goal, in that case is to sound like you know and own the language you're using, and if any of your audience catches the mistake, it makes you look bad.

When you're texting your friend Gary that you're going to meet for Pizza, then "Gry. Pza L8r!" is probably fine. You know Gary. Gary knows what you mean and where you're meeting, and it's pretty hard to type on a phone, so Communication achieved!

The Internet is where most of the middle-ground falls. It really depends on the particular neck of the woods in which you find yourself. In your AOL chatrooms and Instant Messages, eschewing grammar is fine. Nobody wants to put the time or effort into doing it right there, and as an editor I have to remember that it doesn't come naturally to everyone else. For many, it requires a bit of effort and I don't blame them for not taking that effort in the quick-and-dirty communication situations.

Most internet message boards are a bit more verbose than the chatrooms and the tweets. You aren't submitting your term paper, but a lot of the time you'll be trying to prove a point, and if you want the point to be taken seriously, it helps to put a layer of polish on the text before sending it out to the world to make sure it looks nice. You probably don't need to worry too much about comma splicing, or proper use of a semicolon, but if you're trying to sound like you know a thing or two about Archaeology, then you're probably better off not spelling it arkeyology. It's not impossible to sound smart when you're not capitalizing your sentences (Sarc, you're an example of someone who can) but you have to work a bit harder to prove your legitimacy.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 11:01:53 AM
Anyway there is a difference between intentionally writing incorrectly to prove a point or because that's how the character you've created would write and just being too lazy to care about spelling or grammar.
Not in this case, I cite them because they illustrate the distancing  effect of poorly written and constructed sentences. Of course they are deliberately written that way, but that is why Banks and Keyes employ it, because they distance the reader from the text.
Why would they want to distance the reader from the text?

Why? Because it's an interesting thing for the writer to do. In the case of FE it helps establish the character and the mes-en-scene as being distinct from the mundane.

In the case of FfA it helps establish that Charlie is of low intelligence which allows his increasing intelligence to manifest in clearer communication as the book progresses (and like it or not, Dim is not alone in reacting to poor grammar and spelling by assuming the person communicating in that way is not terribly intelligent)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Action Batch on October 03, 2011, 11:02:46 AM
Looks like the answer to the topic is:

Lots of people.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 11:09:41 AM
As a professional editor, there's something in my brain that jumps up and screams at me every time I notice an error. That's because it's my job 8 hours a day to find and eliminate these things. There are some cases, though, where you just have to let it go.

It really all boils down to context.

If you're an author writing a novel, or a big company sending out a press release, or a student writing an essay paper, or a President of the United States about to address the nation, then you'd better get the grammar right. Your goal, in that case is to sound like you know and own the language you're using, and if any of your audience catches the mistake, it makes you look bad.

When you're texting your friend Gary that you're going to meet for Pizza, then "Gry. Pza L8r!" is probably fine. You know Gary. Gary knows what you mean and where you're meeting, and it's pretty hard to type on a phone, so Communication achieved!

The Internet is where most of the middle-ground falls. It really depends on the particular neck of the woods in which you find yourself. In your AOL chatrooms and Instant Messages, eschewing grammar is fine. Nobody wants to put the time or effort into doing it right there, and as an editor I have to remember that it doesn't come naturally to everyone else. For many, it requires a bit of effort and I don't blame them for not taking that effort in the quick-and-dirty communication situations.

Most internet message boards are a bit more verbose than the chatrooms and the tweets. You aren't submitting your term paper, but a lot of the time you'll be trying to prove a point, and if you want the point to be taken seriously, it helps to put a layer of polish on the text before sending it out to the world to make sure it looks nice. You probably don't need to worry too much about comma splicing, or proper use of a semicolon, but if you're trying to sound like you know a thing or two about Archaeology, then you're probably better off not spelling it arkeyology. It's not impossible to sound smart when you're not capitalizing your sentences (Sarc, you're an example of someone who can) but you have to work a bit harder to prove your legitimacy.

I could not have said this better myself. Nicely done.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 11:11:33 AM
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In the case of FfA it helps establish that Charlie is of low intelligence which allows his increasing intelligence to manifest in clearer communication as the book progresses (and like it or not, Dim is not alone in reacting to poor grammar and spelling by assuming the person communicating in that way is not terribly intelligent)

Is knowledge = to intelligence?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 11:13:57 AM
For many people yes. More importantly, presentation is equal to intelligence in the minds of many. I'm not talking about the result of an IQ test here I'm talking about the effect of presentation on others. That's what it's always about. One can rail about how unfair it is that others react this way or that but ultimately they react in the way that they do whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 11:22:46 AM
For many people yes. More importantly, presentation is equal to intelligence in the minds of many. I'm not talking about the result of an IQ test here I'm talking about the effect of presentation on others. That's what it's always about. One can rail about how unfair it is that others react this way or that but ultimately they react in the way that they do whether you like it or not.

Granted that type of thinking is exactly why snake oil salesmen are so successful.  Presentation is immaculate and appeals on an emotional level. 

Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 11:27:51 AM
For many people yes. More importantly, presentation is equal to intelligence in the minds of many. I'm not talking about the result of an IQ test here I'm talking about the effect of presentation on others. That's what it's always about. One can rail about how unfair it is that others react this way or that but ultimately they react in the way that they do whether you like it or not.

Granted that type of thinking is exactly why snake oil salesmen are so successful.  Presentation is immaculate and appeals on an emotional level. 

Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong. 

bring out the nerd in me, qui gon jinn said it best: the abiltiy to speak does not make you intelligent.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 11:31:02 AM
Heh damn you Shodan I now have to point out that there is something cool in The Phantom Menace. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 11:31:46 AM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong. 
Be that as it may....
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 11:46:06 AM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong. 
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 11:49:19 AM
And again I say, be that as it may.....
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 11:58:00 AM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong. 
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other

Stop tossing your big words around, because you still sound like a moron. You are congratulating yourself for being smart in spite of your poor command of the English language, and you are ignoring the fact that other people view your claims of intelligence with skepticism because of your poor command of the English language. You are missing the entire point of communication -- if you cannot communicate properly, your words are likely to fall on deaf ears. And at that point, who cares how smart you are?

At this point I'm done. If you want to continue to write illegibly in a medium in which the entire point is to make yourself understood, then have at it.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on October 03, 2011, 11:59:26 AM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong. 
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 12:02:27 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong. 
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other

Stop tossing your big words around, because you still sound like a moron. You are congratulating yourself for being smart in spite of your poor command of the English language, and you are ignoring the fact that other people view your claims of intelligence with skepticism because of your poor command of the English language. You are missing the entire point of communication -- if you cannot communicate properly, your words are likely to fall on deaf ears. And at that point, who cares how smart you are?

At this point I'm done. If you want to continue to write illegibly in a medium in which the entire point is to make yourself understood, then have at it.

So the first time you misspell something or use bad gamer are you going to live up to the standard you have set for the rest of the world?  Will you declare yourself a worthless moron and kill yourself because you are too stupid to live and the world would be better off with out you? People like you should be forced by law to live to the standards they set for others. If I ran things the first time you misspelled something you would be taken out and shot. You have said that people that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live,I say that same standard should apply to you.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 12:04:19 PM
You have said that people that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live
Where did she say that? Quote it.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 12:04:38 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong. 
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other

Stop tossing your big words around, because you still sound like a moron. You are congratulating yourself for being smart in spite of your poor command of the English language, and you are ignoring the fact that other people view your claims of intelligence with skepticism because of your poor command of the English language. You are missing the entire point of communication -- if you cannot communicate properly, your words are likely to fall on deaf ears. And at that point, who cares how smart you are?

At this point I'm done. If you want to continue to write illegibly in a medium in which the entire point is to make yourself understood, then have at it.

So the first time you misspell something or use bad gamer are you going to live up to the standard you have set for the rest of the world?  Will you declare yourself a worthless moron and kill yourself because you are too stupid to live and the world would be better off with out you? People like you should be forced by law to live to the standards they set for others. If I ran things the first time you misspelled something you would be taken out and shot. You have said that people that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live,I say that same standard should apply to you.

This is comedy gold.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 12:08:18 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong. 
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other

Stop tossing your big words around, because you still sound like a moron. You are congratulating yourself for being smart in spite of your poor command of the English language, and you are ignoring the fact that other people view your claims of intelligence with skepticism because of your poor command of the English language. You are missing the entire point of communication -- if you cannot communicate properly, your words are likely to fall on deaf ears. And at that point, who cares how smart you are?

At this point I'm done. If you want to continue to write illegibly in a medium in which the entire point is to make yourself understood, then have at it.

So the first time you misspell something or use bad gamer are you going to live up to the standard you have set for the rest of the world?  Will you declare yourself a worthless moron and kill yourself because you are too stupid to live and the world would be better off with out you? People like you should be forced by law to live to the standards they set for others. If I ran things the first time you misspelled something you would be taken out and shot. You have said that people that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live,I say that same standard should apply to you.

Once again, not only have you completely missed the point, but you've spit hyperbolic nonsense into someone else's mouth. You're a fucking idiot and your act played out a long time ago. Give it a rest.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 12:10:25 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong. 
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other

Stop tossing your big words around, because you still sound like a moron. You are congratulating yourself for being smart in spite of your poor command of the English language, and you are ignoring the fact that other people view your claims of intelligence with skepticism because of your poor command of the English language. You are missing the entire point of communication -- if you cannot communicate properly, your words are likely to fall on deaf ears. And at that point, who cares how smart you are?

At this point I'm done. If you want to continue to write illegibly in a medium in which the entire point is to make yourself understood, then have at it.

So the first time you misspell something or use bad gamer are you going to live up to the standard you have set for the rest of the world?  Will you declare yourself a worthless moron and kill yourself because you are too stupid to live and the world would be better off with out you? People like you should be forced by law to live to the standards they set for others. If I ran things the first time you misspelled something you would be taken out and shot. You have said that people that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live,I say that same standard should apply to you.

This is comedy gold.

Correct grammar would be "that was comedy gold" since you were responding to something said in the past not something that was being typed while you typed. You made a grammar mistake that means you are stupid and worthless should not even count as human.  If you do not ban yourself from this forum you are refusing to live by the standard you set for others.  You made a grammar mistake so you no longer count as human.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 03, 2011, 12:12:46 PM
Correct grammar would be "that was comedy gold" since you were responding to something said in the past not something that was being typed while you typed.

Technically, she's referring to a post that still exists, so "this is" is perfectly acceptable.

You made a grammar mistake that means you are stupid and worthless should not even count as human.

By whose standard?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 12:13:40 PM
Correct grammar would be "that was comedy gold"
No, it wouldn't (http://www.eslgold.com/grammar/this_that.html). Doc you really aren't in the best position to talk about anyone's use of Grammar, especially as a debate tactic.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 12:16:37 PM
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like you should be forced by law to live to the standards they set for others

As much as it runs contrary (kinda) to the very point i am making, yes damn it you should be force to live by standards set by others. 

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If I ran things the first time you misspelled something you would be taken out and shot

Oh and the game is still on so....

KIM IL SUNG
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on October 03, 2011, 12:19:36 PM
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If I ran things the first time you misspelled something you would be taken out and shot
Oh and the game is still on so....

KIM IL SUNG
As good an excuse as any to drink at work.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 12:20:09 PM
Correct grammar would be "that was comedy gold"
No, it wouldn't (http://www.eslgold.com/grammar/this_that.html). Doc you really aren't in the best position to talk about anyone's use of Grammar, especially as a debate tactic.

I am not demanding perfect grammar from everyone at all times,she is.  I just want her to live by her own standards.  You attacks anyone who makes even the smallest mistake when it comes to grammar and tells them they are worthless and have no right to speak. Then she goes and makes mistakes herself and she thinks she still has the right to judge the rest of us. She should leave this forum and never come back since by her own standards she is stupid and has no right to speak.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 03, 2011, 12:22:11 PM
You attacks anyone who makes even the smallest mistake when it comes to grammar and tells them they are worthless and have no right to speak.

Provide an example of anybody here saying anybody else is worthless based on a grammatical error.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 12:22:50 PM
She didn't make a mistake. The fact you think she did only further illustrates your poor grasp of grammar. Which is why it's not terribly advisable for you to try and score a point by misidentifying grammatical mistakes.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 12:23:44 PM
He ignored me why do you all think he won't ignore your logical posts. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 12:26:24 PM
He ignored me why do you all think he won't ignore your logical posts. 

Honestly, why do people attempt to engage him in rational discussion? I'll go out on a limb (not really) and say that virtually everyone will agree with your arguments against him, so you're preaching to the choir. Also, your arguments will do absolutely nothing to change his mind. What's the point?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 12:27:37 PM
It's always a fun party when Doctor Who? shows up.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on October 03, 2011, 12:31:12 PM
It's always a fun party when Doctor Who? shows up.
...that is ish...   :::hic:::
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 12:33:41 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for I believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value. I do so  out of respect, not a lack thereof.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what I say.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 03, 2011, 12:37:42 PM
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

TL,DR.

(I'm sorry, somebody had to.)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 12:39:41 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value. I do so the out of respect, not a lack thereof.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

Well, you sure did shut me down. I have been humbled.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 12:40:04 PM
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

TL,DR.

(I'm sorry, somebody had to.)
heh its alrite this is whathappens when i get frustrated. im the one who should be aplogizing for throwing up a block of text
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 12:40:11 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value. I do so the out of respect, not a lack thereof.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mrbasehart on October 03, 2011, 12:43:34 PM
I think we've found the answer to the thread title.  Let's all blame sarcasm made easy.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 12:46:28 PM
yea and i missed that last "I" as well. Well that's what you get when you rush.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 12:46:47 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value. I do so  out of respect, not a lack thereof.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

By the way, this only emphasizes the point I was making -- you can use all the big words you want and make all the claims in the world to back up your intelligence. The fact of the matter is that your posts still don't make sense because your sentence structure, spelling, capitalization, punctuation and grammar blow.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 12:49:45 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value. I do so the out of respect, not a lack thereof.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on October 03, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
There were several run-on sentences in that thesaurus exercise you posted.
I could have written that entire thing as a run-on sentence.  I'm really bad about that.  It's part of the reason I try to proofread anything at least twice before posting.

On a more general note, I think the real question here is, "just how good does our grammar have to be to fit this forum's basic standards?"
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 12:53:22 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value. I do so  out of respect, not a lack thereof.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

By the way, this only emphasizes the point I was making -- you can use all the big words you want and make all the claims in the world to back up your intelligence. The fact of the matter is that your posts still don't make sense because your sentence structure, spelling, capitalization, punctuation and grammar blow.
And I could be as precise as possible in the attempt to get my point across but to those that are convinced otherwise it would still fall on deaf ears because their conviction would be as wax and fill them in stead of my words.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: jasimon1 on October 03, 2011, 12:56:30 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value. I do so  out of respect, not a lack thereof.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

By the way, this only emphasizes the point I was making -- you can use all the big words you want and make all the claims in the world to back up your intelligence. The fact of the matter is that your posts still don't make sense because your sentence structure, spelling, capitalization, punctuation and grammar blow.
And I could be as precise as possible in the attempt to get my point across but to those that are convinced otherwise it would still fall on deaf ears because their conviction would be as wax and fill them in stead of my words.

I feel like all your posts should start with "Confucius says..."
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 12:57:23 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value. I do so  out of respect, not a lack thereof.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

By the way, this only emphasizes the point I was making -- you can use all the big words you want and make all the claims in the world to back up your intelligence. The fact of the matter is that your posts still don't make sense because your sentence structure, spelling, capitalization, punctuation and grammar blow.
And I could be as precise as possible in the attempt to get my point across but to those that are convinced otherwise it would still fall on deaf ears because their conviction would be as wax and fill them in stead of my words.

I feel like all your posts should start with "Confucius says..."

 :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 01:00:02 PM
and thats why i dont like writing formally. because of that whole Confucius says thing. and i get defensive when i  express what i mean, meaning what i said initially about knowledge and wisdom etc. and then someone turns around and calls me a moron who uses big words. for the longest time i was the nerdy kid who always had his nose in some book or other and for 11 years i was bullied. i dont tolerate it now.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on October 03, 2011, 01:01:45 PM
It's pretty much turning into a "bash shodan" thread.  

For my part, as a guy who has been on a number of forums (even going back to USENET back in the day), I can say, "I've read worse."  Much worse.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 01:03:02 PM
It's pretty much turning into a "bash shodan" thread.  

For my part, as a guy who has been on a number of forums (even going back to USENET back in the day), I can say, "I've read worse."  Much worse.
bash away. I'm used to it. I made my stand and said what i have to say and if thats how people choose to react then so be it.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 01:03:46 PM
There were several run-on sentences in that thesaurus exercise you posted.
I could have written that entire thing as a run-on sentence.  I'm really bad about that.  It's part of the reason I try to proofread anything at least twice before posting.

On a more general note, I think the real question here is, "just how good does our grammar have to be to fit this forum's basic standards?"

It's actually not about conforming to this forum's standards, or to mine, or Doctor Who?'s stringent criteria, or anyone's, really. It's simply this: You can make any kind of statement you want, but if it's just one long run on sentence with no capitalization or punctuation, you're not going to be understood or taken seriously. That's the truth whether you like it or not. Contrary to one person's opinion, I never said, "You have to do it this way or I will murder you in your sleep!" It's just an FYI. Listen, dude, you sound like a moron. Just thought you'd like to know. That's all. Bitches get all defensive, I swear.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: jasimon1 on October 03, 2011, 01:05:38 PM
and thats why i dont like writing formally. because of that whole Confucius says thing. and i get defensive when i  express what i mean, meaning what i said initially about knowledge and wisdom etc. and then someone turns around and calls me a moron who uses big words. for the longest time i was the nerdy kid who always had his nose in some book or other and for 11 years i was bullied. i dont tolerate it now.

The point is though that you're just using too many words in most cases. There was no need for "because their conviction would be as wax and fill them in stead of my words.". Falling on deaf ears says it all. Adding all the extra words that aren't needed makes it appear that you're adding them to look more intelligent when it actually has the opposite effect.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 01:07:27 PM
and thats why i dont like writing formally. because of that whole Confucius says thing. and i get defensive when i  express what i mean, meaning what i said initially about knowledge and wisdom etc. and then someone turns around and calls me a moron who uses big words. for the longest time i was the nerdy kid who always had his nose in some book or other and for 11 years i was bullied. i dont tolerate it now.

I think there's a significant difference between writing "formally" and employing a few very basic rules of spelling, grammar, and punctuation.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 01:08:57 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value. I do so  out of respect, not a lack thereof.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

By the way, this only emphasizes the point I was making -- you can use all the big words you want and make all the claims in the world to back up your intelligence. The fact of the matter is that your posts still don't make sense because your sentence structure, spelling, capitalization, punctuation and grammar blow.


The flip side of that is I could claim that your failure to understand the big words and the general point of the post proves how stupid you are.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 01:10:23 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value. I do so  out of respect, not a lack thereof.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

By the way, this only emphasizes the point I was making -- you can use all the big words you want and make all the claims in the world to back up your intelligence. The fact of the matter is that your posts still don't make sense because your sentence structure, spelling, capitalization, punctuation and grammar blow.


The flip side of that is I could claim that your failure to understand the big words and the general point of the post proves how stupid you are.

I understood all of those words. Did you? I just found many of them unnecessary.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 03, 2011, 01:11:11 PM
We should sooooo start a new thread: The who will Doc Who attack next thread.

Seriously, Doc LEAVE WURWOLF ALONE...I just got back from Mexico and I will cut a bitch

PS: That was TOTALLY a joke....maybe
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 01:14:29 PM
Also yeah many people believe that knowledge = intelligence.  They are wrong.  
Be that as it may....
intelligence, knowledge, wisdom  and reason form the foundation of most thought and are interrelated in many ways but they are separate entities and the presence of one does not necessitate the presence of the other, though sometimes one is found through one or more of the other
I would add formal education to this list as well.  There is an odd assumption that, if someone does not have a formal higher education, then they will necessarily be ignorant on most subjects.  I went to college and learned a lot about computers, and nothing about history.  Today, by educating myself, I think I know more about history than I ever did about computers.  But I run into people who turn up their noses about self-education.  What you know is just as valid if you learned it in your living room as if you learned it in a college classroom.
I agree. And as for "tossing around big words and sounding like a moron" alright then, thats your view, so take what you will out of what I say, but do not condemn others or myself because we choose otherwise. If I so choose I can have a master's level command of the English language and its constituent rules of grammar, but here, in a informal forum I have abstained for I have not in the past found it necessary to speak formally, with the full command of my vocabulary  and ability because this is not how I speak with those I am comfortable with, meaning those I deem to be friends at best and friendly acquaintances at worst. So as to prove myself otherwise now, I will afford you  a list of the achievements my writing ability has  awarded me: a Presidential Grant to put towards the school of my choice, it helped me obtain my black-belt as there was a portion of the process in which, to be internationally recognized as a black belt, I had to submit an essay to several grandmasters to be reviewed, and it allowed me to score a 100 % on the reading and writing portion of my SAT's as well as a score of 5 on my English AP's. This is what has come out of my ability to be comprehended and understood. It did not occur to me in first posting on this forum that there were those that would judge the capacity of my mind to think and reason on the structure and forms of my words, ignoring the structure and forms of the ideas behind them. So go ahead and insult me then for the choice I have made to be informal, for i believe such a formality sounds pompous and arrogant and conveys disrespect and condescension to the reader when interpreted at face value. I do so  out of respect, not a lack thereof.  I take comfort in the fact that I know better, and so to do those that would look deeper into what i say.

By the way, this only emphasizes the point I was making -- you can use all the big words you want and make all the claims in the world to back up your intelligence. The fact of the matter is that your posts still don't make sense because your sentence structure, spelling, capitalization, punctuation and grammar blow.


The flip side of that is I could claim that your failure to understand the big words and the general point of the post proves how stupid you are.
We should sooooo start a new thread: The who will Doc Who attack next thread.

Seriously, Doc LEAVE WURWOLF ALONE...I just got back from Mexico and I will cut a bitch

PS: That was TOTALLY a joke....maybe
Yea doc, thanks for the sentiment, but my words don't need to be defended, they are what they are, and what is taken from them is a personal choice. dont sweat it, i dont want any knife fights to come out of this.... anyway anais could kick your ass. ;D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Action Batch on October 03, 2011, 01:20:08 PM
I understood all of those words. Did you? I just found many of them unnecessary.

I like big words because I'm lazy. I'd rather just say that something was perfunctory as opposed to saying that it was something that I do from day to day, but not something into which I put a whole lot of thought.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on October 03, 2011, 01:40:18 PM
Jesus Christ!  This thread is already six pages long!  Is there any possible way we can leave the discussion here while I'm at work?  I don't want to have to go through 20 more pages to get caught up on the discussion.  Jeez, you'd think we were discussing nuclear policy or something.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 01:43:15 PM
alright ill agree to a truce: no more nukes until dalty gets back
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 03, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
I just see Doc going the way of "issac" if he keeps it up.  Hopefully he'll get his meds soon and will feel better.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 03, 2011, 01:53:43 PM
Jesus Christ!  This thread is already six pages long!  Is there any possible way we can leave the discussion here while I'm at work?  I don't want to have to go through 20 more pages to get caught up on the discussion.  Jeez, you'd think we were discussing nuclear policy or something.
You're acting like this is chock full of content worthy of reading. hehe
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 01:56:37 PM
I am pleased this has continued without me here.  Also i had no problem understanding Shodans block of text. 

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You're acting like this is chock full of content worthy of reading. hehe

The internet or this thread?

Also I am cool with the Blame Sarcasm_made_easy game. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 03, 2011, 01:58:31 PM
I am pleased this has continued without me here.  Also i had no problem understanding Shodans block of text. 

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You're acting like this is chock full of content worthy of reading. hehe

The internet or this thread?

Also I am cool with the Blame Sarcasm_made_easy game. 
I'll be specific today and say this thread.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
I am pleased this has continued without me here.  Also i had no problem understanding Shodans block of text. 

Quote
You're acting like this is chock full of content worthy of reading. hehe

The internet or this thread?

Also I am cool with the Blame Sarcasm_made_easy game. 
I'll be specific today and say this thread.

Fair enough, but it has been years since I posted a thread that was automatically controversial or inflammatory (like my mike or Joel thread back in the first year of the forum) so I figured eh what the hell.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Dim of the Yard on October 03, 2011, 02:20:59 PM
Jesus Christ!  This thread is already six pages long!  Is there any possible way we can leave the discussion here while I'm at work?  I don't want to have to go through 20 more pages to get caught up on the discussion.  Jeez, you'd think we were discussing nuclear policy or something.

Oh, God, don't mention nuclear. Before you know it, we'll get into a giant flame war over new-clear v. new-cue-ler!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 03, 2011, 02:22:11 PM
I am pleased this has continued without me here.  Also i had no problem understanding Shodans block of text. 

Quote
You're acting like this is chock full of content worthy of reading. hehe

The internet or this thread?

Also I am cool with the Blame Sarcasm_made_easy game. 
I'll be specific today and say this thread.

Fair enough, but it has been years since I posted a thread that was automatically controversial or inflammatory (like my mike or Joel thread back in the first year of the forum) so I figured eh what the hell.
I remember that way back in the day when Tarantulas posted on here a lot.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 02:23:14 PM
Jesus Christ!  This thread is already six pages long!  Is there any possible way we can leave the discussion here while I'm at work?  I don't want to have to go through 20 more pages to get caught up on the discussion.  Jeez, you'd think we were discussing nuclear policy or something.

Oh, God, don't mention nuclear. Before you know it, we'll get into a giant flame war over new-clear v. new-cue-ler!

Isn't there a rule if the president says a word  a certain way its suddenly officially correct?  

Quote
I remember that way back in the day when Tarantulas posted on here a lot.

RIFFTRAX IS NOT MST3K 2.0!!!!!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 02:24:20 PM
Jesus Christ!  This thread is already six pages long!  Is there any possible way we can leave the discussion here while I'm at work?  I don't want to have to go through 20 more pages to get caught up on the discussion.  Jeez, you'd think we were discussing nuclear policy or something.

Oh, God, don't mention nuclear. Before you know it, we'll get into a giant flame war over new-clear v. new-cue-ler!

Isn't there a rule if the president says a word  a certain way its suddenly officially correct?  

Quote
I remember that way back in the day when Tarantulas posted on here a lot.

RIFFTRAX IS NOT MST3K 2.0!!!!!
i think the rifftrax pronunciation short makes this pretty clear.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: CrowTeeRobot on October 03, 2011, 02:27:34 PM
thies hole thraid is cumpleetly ridcluous!!!11! why shood it mater how ppl typ ass log as yu cn tale wut thay ment?!? u ar al gamer natsees hoo shuld b ashsamd of hw yew ahr treting uthr hooman beans!!!1!  >:(
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Dim of the Yard on October 03, 2011, 02:29:34 PM
Jesus Christ!  This thread is already six pages long!  Is there any possible way we can leave the discussion here while I'm at work?  I don't want to have to go through 20 more pages to get caught up on the discussion.  Jeez, you'd think we were discussing nuclear policy or something.

Oh, God, don't mention nuclear. Before you know it, we'll get into a giant flame war over new-clear v. new-cue-ler!

Isn't there a rule if the president says a word  a certain way its suddenly officially correct?  

Quote
I remember that way back in the day when Tarantulas posted on here a lot.

RIFFTRAX IS NOT MST3K 2.0!!!!!
i think the rifftrax pronunciation short makes this pretty clear.

Can I just mention that I found it hilarious how incomprehensibly pissed off I was when I watched that short? I usually don't get too angry watching... well, anything... but during the short, I kept yelling, "IT'S REGIONAL, YOU PIECE OF SHIT!" at the TV. I'm still not sure why it got me so riled up. I can blame beer, but that just seems like a cop-out...

... On a different note, a technical question (of sorts). When ending a sentence and beginning a new one, should you use one space or two to separate them? Just out of curiosity.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 02:36:26 PM
Quote
... On a different note, a technical question (of sorts). When ending a sentence and beginning a new one, should you use one space or two to separate them? Just out of curiosity

WHOA WHOA WHOA, let’s not let any actual use come of this thread.

I was always under the impression that the convention is two spaces.
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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on October 03, 2011, 02:38:49 PM
I'm told that it should be two spaces if your are using a typewriter, one if you are using a computer.  Since I learned to type on a typewriter, I always default to two.  I could retrain myself, I suppose, but I doubt I will.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 02:49:37 PM
i've always used one.
thies hole thraid is cumpleetly ridcluous!!!11! why shood it mater how ppl typ ass log as yu cn tale wut thay ment?!? u ar al gamer natsees hoo shuld b ashsamd of hw yew ahr treting uthr hooman beans!!!1!  >:(
orson, get that turkey out of your mouth and speak clearly
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 02:57:16 PM
From AFH 33-337  The Tongue and Quill

NOTE: The Tongue and Quill favors two spaces after the end of a sentence. Rather to use one space or two is left up to the individual or organization. Either way is acceptable.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Rattrap007 on October 03, 2011, 03:13:39 PM
I think spelling/grammar and how one speaks also tells wonders of intelligence. I can be fine with a misspelled word here and there or something like that. But when you can't say simple words right like ASKED and you say AXED instead, then you really need help. I hate urban slang and such. It is dumbing down the people who really need to be trying to achieve and get a leg up in society.  Tell me who are you more likely to employ: A person with good command of the language or someone uses a lot of urban slang and the wrong words or phrases?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 03:15:43 PM
Which one is more qualified for the job? 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 03:19:07 PM
I think spelling/grammar and how one speaks also tells wonders of intelligence. I can be fine with a misspelled word here and there or something like that. But when you can't say simple words right like ASKED and you say AXED instead, then you really need help. I hate urban slang and such. It is dumbing down the people who really need to be trying to achieve and get a leg up in society.  Tell me who are you more likely to employ: A person with good command of the language or someone uses a lot of urban slang and the wrong words or phrases?

You know there were people who said the same thing when the switch from old English to modern English happened. Dumbing down is in the eye of the beholder.

There are people who would say we are all stupid because we don't speak like Shakespeare.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 03:19:54 PM
What year was this switch exaclty?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 03:23:36 PM
What year was this switch exaclty?

Do we still speak like Shakespeare? Are Latin and French still the languages of writing? language has changed,and it could be argued that change was a dumbing down.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on October 03, 2011, 03:32:26 PM
I have a friend who works in IT who talks like a newscaster.  It came up in a meeting that he speaks so clearly, he would be great in customer service.  His voice immediately changed and he said, "no, no, I have a terrible voice for customer service."  (He had no desire to take that job, and who could blame him.)  Afterward, I said, "hey that was a great impression of Cheech Marin."

He looked at me and said, "no, that was me.  That's how I talked for the first 18 years of my life.  I knew I wanted to do more than work in a body shop like my brothers, so I worked on my enunciation.  It makes me sound better educated than I actually am."

I have another very good friend who is originally from Puerto Rico and she tells me she worked hard to learn english when she came to the states for pretty much the same reason.

There's a lot to making a good impression on a potential employer.  People equate poor verbal skills with lack of intelligence, so speaking well is going to naturally rank up there with wearing appropriate clothing, having shaved (for guys, obviously), clean combed hair, etc.  Presentation is important.  Maybe it's not right, but that's the way it is.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 03:37:37 PM
What year was this switch exaclty?

Do we still speak like Shakespeare? Are Latin and French still the languages of writing? language has changed,and it could be argued that change was a dumbing down.

Ah good (as far as I know) grammar there although you missed out capitalizing language.  Unfortunately there is no thought involved apparently because you skipped answering the question I asked and answered the question has language changed?  I asked when I occurred.  If you were interested in pointing out how stupid the question is (and it is stupid) then you should have pointed out how language changes gradually.   
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 03, 2011, 03:43:46 PM
What year was this switch exaclty?

Year 1367, Dec 4th and 5:23 PM (GMT)....if you really want to know
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 03:44:29 PM
Is this thread another Republican Nazi conspiracy theory :o
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on October 03, 2011, 03:45:50 PM
There were accusations of killings earlier, but not in the streets.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 03, 2011, 03:48:26 PM
GRAMMAR!

What is it good for, absolutely nothing, say it again!

Oh wait, that is war.

Carry on
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on October 03, 2011, 03:51:09 PM
So the first time you misspell something or use bad gamer are you going to live up to the standard you have set for the rest of the world?  Will you declare yourself a worthless moron and kill yourself because you are too stupid to live and the world would be better off with out you? People like you should be forced by law to live to the standards they set for others. If I ran things the first time you misspelled something you would be taken out and shot. You have said that people that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live,I say that same standard should apply to you.

I'm not going to lie, after a fairly bad day at work the parts I bolded made me chuckle.

And I'm not worried about Doc going the way of Isaac.  Isaac was completely bent out of shape 100% of the time.  Wait, do you have any iRiffs so we can steal your style? I might need to change my answer on that.  ;)  (Oh, the next batch of OWC merch should be ready for me to ship out in another week or so.)


I suppose I should chime in on how I feel about grammar.  I appreciate it when it's used correctly, but it's an internet forum.  It's not like it's a term paper or anything.  For crying out loud we post all kinds of stupid stuff on here.  I'm not offended if people don't use proper grammar.  Punctuation is important though.  There's someone who posts (I forget who because I skip over their posts) who always has spelling errors and practically no punctuation which makes it painful to read.  When I stumble across those types of posts I just skip them.  Hopefully they weren't saying anything funny that I missed.   :)

Do I use proper grammar & punctuation all the time? Probably not, but I at least try to make my posts readable.  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 03:53:43 PM
Do I use proper grammar & punctuation all the time? Probably not, but I at least try to make my posts readable.  

I'z canz haz uh spayell chakur?? :P
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 03:54:23 PM
Do we still speak like Shakespeare?
Yes, Shakespeare and his contemporaries spoke early modern English, the biggest difference is in vocabulary. Oh and Shakespeare didn't speak in the manner you hear in his plays, many of those are speaking in blank verse.

Are Latin and French still the languages of writing?
Yes they are, I read the latter and can read the former but generally don't. If you think grammar is bothersome in Englsih try French out for size when it comes to strictness sometime.

language has changed,and it could be argued that change was a dumbing down.
Only by those who don't know what they're talking about.

But to the question at hand:

What year was this switch exaclty?
Exactly is difficult to pinpoint but around 1200 CE/AD since that was when the first Middle English document dates from (that would be the shift from Old English to something that wasn't purely Anglo Saxon). However there would be little point publishing a document in a language that wasn't understood so we're probably looking at a 50 year or so ramp up to that document as the changeover period.

Oh but we do know when Old English was delivered the deathblow: Dec 25 1066.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 03:55:22 PM
Do I use proper grammar & punctuation all the time? Probably not, but I at least try to make my posts readable.  

I'z canz haz uh spayell chakur?? :P

Gamer, iz you at this place?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 03:56:24 PM
Do I use proper grammar & punctuation all the time? Probably not, but I at least try to make my posts readable.  

I'z canz haz uh spayell chakur?? :P

Gamer, iz you at this place?
Sheet Dawg! Git dat Hamer n rang duh bayell
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 03, 2011, 04:05:34 PM
Even the thread title is confusing. Is Grammar a person's name, who cares about things? And why is it a question?

This election day, why not vote for the Grammar who cares?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on October 03, 2011, 04:05:50 PM
Gammer had a really helpful guide for reauthoring Rifftrax DVDs.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 04:08:01 PM
Do we still speak like Shakespeare?
Yes, Shakespeare and his contemporaries spoke early modern English, the biggest difference is in vocabulary. Oh and Shakespeare didn't speak in the manner you hear in his plays, many of those are speaking in blank verse.

Are Latin and French still the languages of writing?
Yes they are, I read the latter and can read the former but generally don't. If you think grammar is bothersome in Englsih try French out for size when it comes to strictness sometime.


I have a layman's understanding of both.  I guess I didn't make my point clear.  In the English speaking world French and Latin use to be the languages of government documents and if you did not speak them you were considered stupid. My point is they are not used for writing or spoken in the English speaking world,now if you told this to someone say 800 years ago they would most likely think we are stupid and have let language be dumbed down.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 04:08:16 PM
Grammara iz freind too stoopid peeple.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 04:09:08 PM
 
Grammara iz freind too stoopid peeple.
:D :D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 04:49:28 PM
Do we still speak like Shakespeare?
Yes, Shakespeare and his contemporaries spoke early modern English, the biggest difference is in vocabulary. Oh and Shakespeare didn't speak in the manner you hear in his plays, many of those are speaking in blank verse.

Are Latin and French still the languages of writing?
Yes they are, I read the latter and can read the former but generally don't. If you think grammar is bothersome in Englsih try French out for size when it comes to strictness sometime.


I have a layman's understanding of both.

I doubt it.


Grand je peux vous faire envoyer à la prison pour planter des appareils-photo dans ma maison puisque vous savez ce que je m'ai étudié mieux puis. That is the only way you could know what I have studied better then I do.

If you want to study history you pretty much have to know something of both Latin and French.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 04:52:28 PM
Even the thread title is confusing. Is Grammar a person's name, who cares about things? And why is it a question?



Shockingly that was done intentionally.  I absolutely LOVE ambiguity.  Its fun to watch how different people fill in the blanks.  

Quote
Oh but we do know when Old English was delivered the deathblow: Dec 25 1066

That is pretty cool.  What exactly delivered the deathblow?

Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 04:52:51 PM
Do we still speak like Shakespeare?
Yes, Shakespeare and his contemporaries spoke early modern English, the biggest difference is in vocabulary. Oh and Shakespeare didn't speak in the manner you hear in his plays, many of those are speaking in blank verse.

Are Latin and French still the languages of writing?
Yes they are, I read the latter and can read the former but generally don't. If you think grammar is bothersome in Englsih try French out for size when it comes to strictness sometime.


I have a layman's understanding of both. 

I doubt it.

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I guess I didn't make my point clear.  In the English speaking world French and Latin use to be the languages of government documents and if you did not speak them you were considered stupid. My point is they are not used for writing or spoken in the English speaking world,now if you told this to someone say 800 years ago they would most likely think we are stupid and have let language be dumbed down.

So in 800 years you'll be smart? Is that really your argument?  Also, it's "used to".

Have you ever made a spelling mistake in your life?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 04:56:14 PM
Have you ever made a spelling mistake in your life?
nevr :P
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on October 03, 2011, 05:04:28 PM
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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 05:04:53 PM
Awesome K1 lol I love it. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 05:05:25 PM
Do we still speak like Shakespeare?
Yes, Shakespeare and his contemporaries spoke early modern English, the biggest difference is in vocabulary. Oh and Shakespeare didn't speak in the manner you hear in his plays, many of those are speaking in blank verse.

Are Latin and French still the languages of writing?
Yes they are, I read the latter and can read the former but generally don't. If you think grammar is bothersome in Englsih try French out for size when it comes to strictness sometime.


I have a layman's understanding of both. 

I doubt it.

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I guess I didn't make my point clear.  In the English speaking world French and Latin use to be the languages of government documents and if you did not speak them you were considered stupid. My point is they are not used for writing or spoken in the English speaking world,now if you told this to someone say 800 years ago they would most likely think we are stupid and have let language be dumbed down.

So in 800 years you'll be smart? Is that really your argument?  Also, it's "used to".

Have you ever made a spelling mistake in your life?

Have you ever not?  You still fail to address the illogicality of your argument.

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Grand je peux vous faire envoyer à la prison pour planter des appareils-photo dans ma maison puisque vous savez ce que je m'ai étudié mieux puis. That is the only way you could know what I have studied better then I do.
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I can also use Google Translate.

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If you want to study history you pretty much have to know something of both Latin and French.

Indeed? Tell me more.



It's clear you just want a flame war,nothing i can type will prove anything to you.  Also you attack other people who making spelling mistakes,so you had better be able to prove you have never made one.  If you have ever made a spelling mistake you should kill yourself because you are just as evil as the sub human monster you are always attacking me for being.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 05:07:19 PM
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 :D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 05:09:05 PM
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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 03, 2011, 05:10:26 PM
Have you ever made a spelling mistake in your life?

There's nothing wrong with making an occasional mistake. We all make typos once in a while. But a constant pattern of grammatical ignorance is really annoying.

As far as I'm concerned, there's no excuse not to make *at least* a tiny effort to use proper grammer.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 05:13:42 PM
Imrahil I agree with your dos program.  However i do have a question.  

When i was taking philosophy, one of the arguments was about anger.  The debate was whether or not you can ever be angry at someone without being hypocritical, since its almost a guarantee that you have made someone else angry as well.  Very likely in the exact same way they made you angry.  Could this not also be applied to grammar?  Or is that argument faulty?  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 05:14:30 PM
Let me see if I can get this right.

When confronted with someone who criticizes him, Doc:
1) Spews angry invective, generally involving death penalties and imaginary laws;
2) Attempts to out-argue the person, framing his argument so badly that it tends to defeat itself;
3) Makes several grammatical and spelling errors in the process of 1) and 2);
4) When these are pointed out, abandons any attempt to defend the logical fallacies inherent in his argument, and then leaps straight to

1)

Gotcha. It's like a BASIC program. 20 goto 10.

"The science works out."

I dub this: The Doc Continuum

Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 05:14:37 PM
Let me see if I can get this right.

When confronted with someone who criticizes him, Doc:
1) Spews angry invective, generally involving death penalties and imaginary laws;
2) Attempts to out-argue the person, framing his argument so badly that it tends to defeat itself;
3) Makes several grammatical and spelling errors in the process of 1) and 2);
4) When these are pointed out, abandons any attempt to defend the logical fallacies inherent in his argument, and then leaps straight to

1)

Gotcha. It's like a BASIC program. 20 goto 10.

Fuck you.  One day i will catch you making a spelling mistake and on that day you had better hold yourself to the standard you have set for me and kill yourself.  You hold others to standard no one including yourself can live up to and then you bully people.

Look you think you are the smartest person who ever lived and none of us should be allowed to talk to you because we are stupid evil scum,fine. Why don't you go start your own message board where you only talk to yourself and stop trolling this one.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 05:17:42 PM
Let me see if I can get this right.

When confronted with someone who criticizes him, Doc:
1) Spews angry invective, generally involving death penalties and imaginary laws;
2) Attempts to out-argue the person, framing his argument so badly that it tends to defeat itself;
3) Makes several grammatical and spelling errors in the process of 1) and 2);
4) When these are pointed out, abandons any attempt to defend the logical fallacies inherent in his argument, and then leaps straight to

1)

Gotcha. It's like a BASIC program. 20 goto 10.

Fuck you.  One day i will catch you making a spelling mistake and on that day you had better hold yourself to the standard you have set for me and kill yourself.  You hold others to standard no one including yourself can live up to and then you bully people.

Look you think you are the smartest person who ever lived and none of us should be allowed to talk to you because we are stupid evil scum,fine. Why don't you go start your own message board where you only talk to yourself and stop trolling this one.
OH SNAP! OH NO YOU DI'NT!  :o
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 05:19:20 PM
Doc why must you take everything to the extreme?  You cannot keep taking opposing views as some sort of personal attack.  The whole point of the internet and SURELY the whole point of this thread is to encounter opposing views.  Look at the bulk of the opinions here.  My viewpoint is clearly in the minority there is nothing wrong with that.  Further being in the minority like this means one should look at why he thinks the way he does and review it.  Which i am having to do here a bit.  

Although i would say very few people have commented literally on my original intent and original post.  Which kinda helps back what i am saying about thinking clearly.  However i seem to have under valued grammar to a degree and must realize how it seems that others view it.  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 05:24:45 PM
Doc why must you take everything to the extreme?  You cannot keep taking opposing views as some sort of personal attack.  

where I come from calling someone a liar is a personal attack.  I did not start this fight,I defended others who were being called stupid and worse for making flubs that everyone makes.  Then when I presented my view I was called names,I have never been the first to launch an attack but i will not take an attack lying down.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 05:26:48 PM
Let me see if I can get this right.

When confronted with someone who criticizes him, Doc:
1) Spews angry invective, generally involving death penalties and imaginary laws;
2) Attempts to out-argue the person, framing his argument so badly that it tends to defeat itself;
3) Makes several grammatical and spelling errors in the process of 1) and 2);
4) When these are pointed out, abandons any attempt to defend the logical fallacies inherent in his argument, and then leaps straight to

1)

Gotcha. It's like a BASIC program. 20 goto 10.

Fuck you.  One day i will catch you making a spelling mistake and on that day you had better hold yourself to the standard you have set for me and kill yourself.  You hold others to standard no one including yourself can live up to and then you bully people.

Look you think you are the smartest person who ever lived and none of us should be allowed to talk to you because we are stupid evil scum,fine. Why don't you go start your own message board where you only talk to yourself and stop trolling this one.

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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
What the hell are you talking about?  We are debating the value of grammar.  Its right up there with should i go to subway or quiznos for lunch today in importance of how much it will effect the outside world.  You have not defended yourself from an attack, you have ranted on the internet and distracted from a debate of ABSOLUTELY ZERO IMPORTANCE.  There is no reason to talk about killing anyone for anything said here.  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 03, 2011, 05:30:47 PM
You know, I've always tried to be nice to him, even while debating him, but...Doc has just been an alternate account of Isaac's all along, right?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 05:33:01 PM
You know, I've always tried to be nice to him, even while debating him attempting to engage a mental patient in a rational discussion, but...Doc has just been an alternate account of Isaac's all along, right?

FIXED!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 03, 2011, 05:35:20 PM
What the hell are you talking about?  We are debating the value of grammar.  Its right up there with should i go to subway or quiznos for lunch today in importance of how much it will effect the outside world.  You have not defended yourself from an attack, you have ranted on the internet and distracted from a debate of ABSOLUTELY ZERO IMPORTANCE.  There is no reason to talk about killing anyone for anything said here.  

I was just called a liar in the post before yours,how is that not a personal attack. Also it's not just in this thread for months Imrahil has been stalking me and finding one reason or another to attack me just because i don't agree with on on everything from movies to grammar.

The fact is my only crime is not worshiping Imrhil as a god.

I am done with this forum and I will never buy another MST3K or Rifftrax product again because I know some of the money will go to keeping this forum up and letter Imrahil bully more people.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mrbasehart on October 03, 2011, 05:38:19 PM
What the hell are you talking about?  We are debating the value of grammar.  Its right up there with should i go to subway or quiznos for lunch today in importance of how much it will effect the outside world.  You have not defended yourself from an attack, you have ranted on the internet and distracted from a debate of ABSOLUTELY ZERO IMPORTANCE.  There is no reason to talk about killing anyone for anything said here.  

I was just called a liar in the post before yours,how is that not a personal attack. Also it's not just in this thread for months Imrahil has been stalking me and finding one reason or another to attack me just because i don't agree with on on everything from movies to grammar.

The fact is my only crime is not worshiping Imrhil as a god.

I am done with this forum and I will never buy another MST3K or Rifftrax product again because I know some of the money will go to keeping this forum up and letter Imrahil bully more people.

Dude.  I think you really do need to take a break from the forum - at least for a couple of days. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 05:38:58 PM
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I was just called a liar in the post before yours,how is that not a personal attack. Also it's not just in this thread for months Imrahil has been stalking me and finding one reason or another to attack me just because i don't agree with on on everything from movies to grammar.

The fact is my only crime is not worshiping Imrhil as a god.

I am done with this forum and I will never buy another MST3K or Rifftrax product again because I know some of the money will go to keeping this forum up and letter Imrahil bully more people

Actually he did not call you a liar.  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 05:39:30 PM

I am done with this forum and I will never buy another MST3K or Rifftrax product again because I know some of the money will go to keeping this forum up and letter Imrahil bully more people.

So, tomorrow we'll see you again then?? :P
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 05:39:44 PM
I am done with this forum and I will never buy another MST3K or Rifftrax product again because I know some of the money will go to keeping this forum up and letter Imrahil bully more people.

Nobody believes this for a second. Put your money where your crackpot mouth is and delete your account right now.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 03, 2011, 05:48:21 PM

I am done with this forum and I will never buy another MST3K or Rifftrax product again because I know some of the money will go to keeping this forum up and letter Imrahil bully more people.

So, tomorrow we'll see you again then?? :P

Someone will have to update the previous basic program to include a counter that kicks out to the quitting forever subroutine, with the sub restarting the program.... 

I'm still curious to find out why the coronation of King William The Conqueror was the death blow to Old English?  (12/25/1066)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 05:56:53 PM
he killed it by insisting that norman-french be the language of aristocracy and royalty.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 06:01:11 PM
Hey if he leaves i move up on the top ten posters WOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 06:03:05 PM
I'm still curious to find out why the coronation of King William The Conqueror was the death blow to Old English?  (12/25/1066)
Did you already ask that and I missed it? I was at the gym and it's difficult to track all the posts on a thread like this one from my phone. :)

OK the reason is that after William's coronation the Anglo-Saxon hierarchy simply ceased to have any sway and everything of importance was conducted in Norman French. I'm obviously using the coronation as a synecdoche to talk about this upheaval of official language and cultural hegemony.

However, the relegation of Anglo Saxon to the common people and the dominance of French was the catalyst for English developing into the super assimilation machine that it is today, That tendency towards assimilation killed Old English and from its carcass arose Middle English which would become Early Modern English and now Modern English and World Englishes.  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mike5150 on October 03, 2011, 06:04:31 PM
Hey if he leaves i move up on the top ten posters WOOOOOOO
Unless you make a spelling mistake and have to kill yourself. You will be missed.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 06:07:13 PM
Is wooooo misspelled i never know how many letters is in that word. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 03, 2011, 06:08:31 PM
What the hell are you talking about?  We are debating the value of grammar.  Its right up there with should i go to subway or quiznos for lunch today in importance of how much it will effect the outside world.  You have not defended yourself from an attack, you have ranted on the internet and distracted from a debate of ABSOLUTELY ZERO IMPORTANCE.  There is no reason to talk about killing anyone for anything said here.  

I was just called a liar in the post before yours,how is that not a personal attack. Also it's not just in this thread for months Imrahil has been stalking me and finding one reason or another to attack me just because i don't agree with on on everything from movies to grammar.

The fact is my only crime is not worshiping Imrhil as a god.

I am done with this forum and I will never buy another MST3K or Rifftrax product again because I know some of the money will go to keeping this forum up and letter Imrahil bully more people.


Lighten up, Francis.
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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mike5150 on October 03, 2011, 06:08:57 PM
*sends sarc a copy of Final exit*
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 06:15:43 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 03, 2011, 06:16:27 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:

Be patient. Imrahil works in mysterious ways.

EDIT: Fixed a typo because I'm paranoid about people telling me to shoot myself.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mike5150 on October 03, 2011, 06:17:08 PM
To answer the thread though, most of the time when I am in this forum, I am speaking from the heart. I pretty much type the same way I talk. I am trying to get a point across at the time, and what you read is about what you would hear if you were talking to me in person. (although, I do wish real life came with a "modify" button sometimes.)  I think for the most part, I do a good job getting my point out there, but I am under no delusions that I would get an A in a essay assignment, but that is not what I am going for in this forum. :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
Hey if he leaves i move up on the top ten posters WOOOOOOO
Unless you make a spelling mistake and have to kill yourself. You will be missed.

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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 03, 2011, 06:20:18 PM
I'm still curious to find out why the coronation of King William The Conqueror was the death blow to Old English?  (12/25/1066)
Did you already ask that and I missed it? I was at the gym and it's difficult to track all the posts on a thread like this one from my phone. :)

OK the reason is that after William's coronation the Anglo-Saxon hierarchy simply ceased to have any sway and everything of importance was conducted in Norman French. I'm obviously using the coronation as a synecdoche to talk about this upheaval of official language and cultural hegemony.

However, the relegation of Anglo Saxon to the common people and the dominance of French was the catalyst for English developing into the super assimilation machine that it is today, That tendency towards assimilation killed Old English and from its carcass arose Middle English which would become Early Modern English and now Modern English and World Englishes.  

Someone else asked why first, but I went a googling and didn't come up with anything definitive.  ;D

So not really the death blow but more of a "beginning of the end" kind of thing then...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 06:22:33 PM
Yeah because languages rarely die really. Well sometimes they do in spectacular fashion, like Dalmatian, but the replacement of Anglo Saxon with Norman French really was as much of a Deathblow as English has ever received.  :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 06:24:21 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mike5150 on October 03, 2011, 06:26:07 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 06:27:16 PM
Yeah because languages rarely die really. Well sometimes they do in spectacular fashion, like Dalmatian, but the replacement of Anglo Saxon with Norman French really was as much of a Deathblow as English has ever received.  :)
and even dead languages come back to life look at what Israel did to Hebrew.
and as for worship.... i'm a strict dudeist.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 06:29:28 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
Just now saw this..
http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22813.0
I voted Yes :D :D :D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 06:33:03 PM
He's also why English has such a great wealth of synonyms--we have lots from both sides of the family.  And why, for example, a lot of legal charges are in pairs--one is Germanic and one is Latinate.  So "assault" (Latinate) "and battery" (German); "breaking" (Germanic) "and entering" (Latinate).  Etc.

It's also interesting to note that it holds true with some food words.  When it's on the hoof, food usually has a Germanic name (hen, cow, swine), and when it's on the menu it has a Latinate/French one (poultry, beef, pork), because the Saxon (Germanic) peasants raised the livestock and the Norman (French) nobility ate it.
That whole period is fascinating. I'm kicking myself a little that I didn't pick up the copy of the Doomsday Book that I saw when one of my local Borders was closing. However, true to form for Borders, despite reducing the price due to closing it was still hellishly expensive.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 06:35:39 PM
Just now saw this..
http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22813.0
I voted Yes :D :D :D

Heh yeah i think Tripe should have ended it more like this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 03, 2011, 06:37:12 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will strike you all down with his noodly appendage!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 06:37:21 PM
He's also why English has such a great wealth of synonyms--we have lots from both sides of the family.  And why, for example, a lot of legal charges are in pairs--one is Germanic and one is Latinate.  So "assault" (Latinate) "and battery" (German); "breaking" (Germanic) "and entering" (Latinate).  Etc.

It's also interesting to note that it holds true with some food words.  When it's on the hoof, food usually has a Germanic name (hen, cow, swine), and when it's on the menu it has a Latinate/French one (poultry, beef, pork), because the Saxon (Germanic) peasants raised the livestock and the Norman (French) nobility ate it.
That whole period is fascinating. I'm kicking myself a little that I didn't pick up the copy of the Doomsday Book that I saw when one of my local Borders was closing. However, true to form for Borders, despite reducing the price due to closing it was still hellishly expensive.
English is becoming so dominant a language that there is an academy in France solely devoted to the moderation of the French language to keep it pure from outside influence specifically English.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 06:38:31 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will strike you all down with his noodly appendage!
Dammit! I misspelled Father.. I should be banned :P
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 06:38:47 PM
Just now saw this..
http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22813.0
I voted Yes :D :D :D

Heh yeah i think Tripe should have ended it more like this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Have a look in the Rrrrraaaaghh thread to see why I'm not up to doing that at the mo. ;)

(I was also on the treadmill and it's a pig to do the coding on the phone :))


English is becoming so dominant a language that there is an academy in France solely devoted to the moderation of the French language to keep it pure from outside influence specifically English.
Yeah I alluded to that in my reply to Doc earlier. Actually that's one of the things people don't often know about Armand Jean du Plessis; how important he was in establishing the French cultural institutions and how much he cared about maintaining them. Most people only know him as the eeeeeevil cardinal in The Three Musketeers which is a shame because he really wasn't all that bad a bloke (when one makes allowances for his times).
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 03, 2011, 06:39:33 PM
He's also why English has such a great wealth of synonyms--we have lots from both sides of the family.  And why, for example, a lot of legal charges are in pairs--one is Germanic and one is Latinate.  So "assault" (Latinate) "and battery" (German); "breaking" (Germanic) "and entering" (Latinate).  Etc.

It's also interesting to note that it holds true with some food words.  When it's on the hoof, food usually has a Germanic name (hen, cow, swine), and when it's on the menu it has a Latinate/French one (poultry, beef, pork), because the Saxon (Germanic) peasants raised the livestock and the Norman (French) nobility ate it.
That whole period is fascinating. I'm kicking myself a little that I didn't pick up the copy of the Doomsday Book that I saw when one of my local Borders was closing. However, true to form for Borders, despite reducing the price due to closing it was still hellishly expensive.
English is becoming so dominant a language that there is an academy in France solely devoted to the moderation of the French language to keep it pure from outside influence specifically English.

MERKER!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 06:41:16 PM
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English is becoming so dominant a language that there is an academy in France solely devoted to the moderation of the French language to keep it pure from outside influence specifically English.

Heh i like the fact that despite how much my failings in grammar and spelling our decried here on the forum my talents as a native English speaker with a high school degree will still land me a job in Korea teaching English right this second.  That is how much we are in demand over there.

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(I was also on the treadmill and it's a pig to do the coding on the phone )

It;s a pig?  You know you do not drop enough British sayings on us here.  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mike5150 on October 03, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
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English is becoming so dominant a language that there is an academy in France solely devoted to the moderation of the French language to keep it pure from outside influence specifically English.

Heh i like the fact that despite how much my failings in grammar and spelling our decried here on the forum my talents as a native English speaker with a high school degree will still land me a job in Korea teaching English right this second.  That is how much we are in demand over there.

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(I was also on the treadmill and it's a pig to do the coding on the phone )

It;s a pig?  You know you do not drop enough British sayings on us here.  
Is "Dolly-popper" a British saying? I say if it isn't, it SHOULD be. It is just damn fun to say. " I do say, that ordeal was quite the Dolly popper"  :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 06:46:57 PM
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English is becoming so dominant a language that there is an academy in France solely devoted to the moderation of the French language to keep it pure from outside influence specifically English.

Heh i like the fact that despite how much my failings in grammar and spelling our decried here on the forum my talents as a native English speaker with a high school degree will still land me a job in Korea teaching English right this second.  That is how much we are in demand over there.

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(I was also on the treadmill and it's a pig to do the coding on the phone )

It;s a pig?  You know you do not drop enough British sayings on us here.  
Is "Dolly-popper" a British saying? I say if it isn't, it SHOULD be. It is just damn fun to say. " I do say, that ordeal was quite the Dolly popper"  :)
British English is a pretty interesting language, plenty of extra e's everywhere and a really unique system of cursing.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 03, 2011, 06:47:16 PM
"I'll see you at precisely 6:30, or as the English call it, Gravedigger's Biscuits."
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 06:48:09 PM
I say ol chap, it's time to choke my chicken. Bloody well right! :D :D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mike5150 on October 03, 2011, 06:49:32 PM
"I'll see you at precisely 6:30, or as the English call it, Gravedigger's Biscuits."
I will be there. Will there be dolly poppers?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 06:52:50 PM
"I'll see you at precisely 6:30, or as the English call it, Gravedigger's Biscuits."

No no that's 6:45, 6:30 would be "Giving Auntie Mabel the Tea Cosy"
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 06:54:14 PM
bollocks and bloody hell.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 03, 2011, 06:55:13 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will strike you all down with his noodly appendage!
Dammit! I misspelled Father.. I should be banned :P

I thought things had escalated where seppuku was the only option for simple typographical errors.

And a colloquialism for "Damn it"?  That 2 errors, uncorrected, I think you know what you have to do.  :scared:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2011, 06:56:03 PM
British English is a pretty interesting language, plenty of extra e's everywhere
Aren't shibboleths fun?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 06:56:31 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will strike you all down with his noodly appendage!
Dammit! I misspelled Father.. I should be banned :P

I thought things had escalated where seppuku was the only option for simple typographical errors.

And a colloquialism for "Damn it"?  That 2 errors, uncorrected, I think you know what you have to do.  :scared:
Shit! A Samurai suicide should be acceptable  :'(
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 06:57:31 PM
I can't.. I must reach 30000 posts before I go to Mexico in less than 6 weeks 8)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 06:57:47 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will strike you all down with his noodly appendage!
Dammit! I misspelled Father.. I should be banned :P

I thought things had escalated where seppuku was the only option for simple typographical errors.

And a colloquialism for "Damn it"?  That 2 errors, uncorrected, I think you know what you have to do.  :scared:
Shit! A Samurai suicide should be acceptable  :'(
you're going to need to get a second to cut your head off afterwards.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 06:58:52 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will strike you all down with his noodly appendage!
Dammit! I misspelled Father.. I should be banned :P

I thought things had escalated where seppuku was the only option for simple typographical errors.

And a colloquialism for "Damn it"?  That 2 errors, uncorrected, I think you know what you have to do.  :scared:
Shit! A Samurai suicide should be acceptable  :'(
you're going to need to get a second to cut your head off afterwards.
Hmm.. Must devise a simultaneous strike  :gouge:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mike5150 on October 03, 2011, 07:01:51 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will strike you all down with his noodly appendage!
Dammit! I misspelled Father.. I should be banned :P

I thought things had escalated where seppuku was the only option for simple typographical errors.

And a colloquialism for "Damn it"?  That 2 errors, uncorrected, I think you know what you have to do.  :scared:
Shit! A Samurai suicide should be acceptable  :'(
you're going to need to get a second to cut your head off afterwards.
Hmm.. Must devise a simultaneous strike  :gouge:
I believe Microsoft has a "loss of spelling face" program  "I noticed you were going to commit Hara Kiri, would you like help with that?"
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 07:02:34 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will strike you all down with his noodly appendage!
Dammit! I misspelled Father.. I should be banned :P

I thought things had escalated where seppuku was the only option for simple typographical errors.

And a colloquialism for "Damn it"?  That 2 errors, uncorrected, I think you know what you have to do.  :scared:
Shit! A Samurai suicide should be acceptable  :'(
you're going to need to get a second to cut your head off afterwards.
Hmm.. Must devise a simultaneous strike  :gouge:
I believe Microsoft has a "loss of spelling face" program  "I noticed you were going to commit Hara Kiri, would you like help with that?"
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/smiley-theyareontome.gif)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 03, 2011, 07:05:36 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will strike you all down with his noodly appendage!
Dammit! I misspelled Father.. I should be banned :P

I thought things had escalated where seppuku was the only option for simple typographical errors.

And a colloquialism for "Damn it"?  That 2 errors, uncorrected, I think you know what you have to do.  :scared:
Shit! A Samurai suicide should be acceptable  :'(
you're going to need to get a second to cut your head off afterwards.
Hmm.. Must devise a simultaneous strike  :gouge:
I believe Microsoft has a "loss of spelling face" program  "I noticed you were going to commit Hara Kiri, would you like help with that?"
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/smiley-theyareontome.gif)

I was going to say I've seen a machine on Mythbusters that would do the trick, but on second thought, this might be heading into "too dark to be funny" at this point.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 07:10:23 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will strike you all down with his noodly appendage!
Dammit! I misspelled Father.. I should be banned :P

I thought things had escalated where seppuku was the only option for simple typographical errors.

And a colloquialism for "Damn it"?  That 2 errors, uncorrected, I think you know what you have to do.  :scared:
Shit! A Samurai suicide should be acceptable  :'(
you're going to need to get a second to cut your head off afterwards.
Hmm.. Must devise a simultaneous strike  :gouge:
I believe Microsoft has a "loss of spelling face" program  "I noticed you were going to commit Hara Kiri, would you like help with that?"
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/smiley-theyareontome.gif)

I was going to say I've seen a machine on Mythbusters that would do the trick, but on second thought, this might be heading into "too dark to be funny" at this point.
next thing you know we'll be trading grammatically correct dead baby jokes.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Dim of the Yard on October 03, 2011, 07:14:17 PM
To answer the thread though, most of the time when I am in this forum, I am speaking from the heart. I pretty much type the same way I talk. I am trying to get a point across at the time, and what you read is about what you would hear if you were talking to me in person. (although, I do wish real life came with a "modify" button sometimes.)  I think for the most part, I do a good job getting my point out there, but I am under no delusions that I would get an A in a essay assignment, but that is not what I am going for in this forum. :)

For what it's worth, I've always found you clear and concise, even without the A in the essay assignment. I've also found you a swell guy, but that's not particularly grammar-related. Just... FREE COMPLIMENT, OH BOY!

There is a very slight difference between what I say and what I write, but most of that is attributed to overthinking what I write. I don't think too often before I speak, which leads to inventing new words and other fun things that probably drive people up the wall. I'm a bit more careful on the Internet for reasons I'm not entirely sure of, but it seems to work for me. Generally, though, the sentiment and general style of what's being said is the same, if severely lacking in the foot-in-mouth department.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
When there is total enlightenment, RVR is Lord! 8)

Hallelujah! I have seen the light! RVR is lord!
Please join me in saying the RVR Father.
Luke! I Am Your Fathah!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will strike you all down with his noodly appendage!
Dammit! I misspelled Father.. I should be banned :P

I thought things had escalated where seppuku was the only option for simple typographical errors.

And a colloquialism for "Damn it"?  That 2 errors, uncorrected, I think you know what you have to do.  :scared:
Shit! A Samurai suicide should be acceptable  :'(
you're going to need to get a second to cut your head off afterwards.
Hmm.. Must devise a simultaneous strike  :gouge:
I believe Microsoft has a "loss of spelling face" program  "I noticed you were going to commit Hara Kiri, would you like help with that?"
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/smiley-theyareontome.gif)

I was going to say I've seen a machine on Mythbusters that would do the trick, but on second thought, this might be heading into "too dark to be funny" at this point.
next thing you know we'll be trading grammatically correct dead baby jokes.
baby back ribs? :o
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 03, 2011, 07:20:08 PM
yo uh, just a heads up to everybody, thread topic aside, whatever i might've said before, i never meant for it to be confrontational... alright that one post was but I've already said why i did that and even that i apologize for. can we all just reduce this thing to a funny joke mentioned every once in awhile when somebody puts a "myslef" into a post, and go onto better forum threads? i just don't like the thought of having enemies on this forum.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 03, 2011, 07:23:01 PM
"myslef" ... i just don't like the thought of having enemies on this forum.
You know what to do.. 8)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 03, 2011, 08:19:05 PM
I propse all here with English Degrees be the Grammar Police with the hot chicka with a Master's Degree in English the Head Honcho  >:D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 08:20:35 PM
Well we got to find work for the english degrees somehow  >:D

Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 03, 2011, 08:22:06 PM
Well we got to find work for the english degrees somehow  >:D



Actually I use my English Degree often in my job and it's the reason I got promoted after 3 months ;)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on October 03, 2011, 08:38:28 PM
Well, guys, I'm afraid you won't be hearing from me ever again.  I just remembered I misspelled a word in a school spelling bee in fifth grade, so I'm gonna have to pop myself off.  I'm such a worthless human being, aren't I?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Pak-Man on October 03, 2011, 08:55:49 PM
I got my English degree. They give you a poetic license and the right to decide who lives and who dies. :^)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 03, 2011, 08:58:54 PM
I got my English degree. They give you a poetic license and the right to decide who lives and who dies. :^)

Damn straight
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 09:01:59 PM
I got my English degree. They give you a poetic license and the right to decide who lives and who dies. :^)

i get it
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 03, 2011, 09:33:43 PM
Poetic Licence,    To Kill

Worst Bond movie EVER.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on October 03, 2011, 11:36:29 PM
Isn't that the one where Bond delivers the quip "I think that I shall never see a poem lovely as a DIE!!!"
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 03, 2011, 11:40:17 PM
Two legs diverged for a lonely wood?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MSTJedi on October 04, 2011, 01:06:09 AM
Wow, just got to this after hearing about it on Facebook on my break at work. A lot of reading, but worth it all the same. Saw someone implode on himself, learned a little something about the English language, and saw the birth of Grammara (friend of children).

I propse all here with English Degrees be the Grammar Police with the hot chicka with a Master's Degree in English the Head Honcho  >:D

I've got a Psychology degree with an English minor . . . because I thought an English degree would be worthless, even though that was actually my favorite field of study. Shows what I know.

 :grr:

Well we got to find work for the english degrees somehow  >:D

And Psychology degrees, Sociology degrees, History degrees, <sigh> Philosophy degrees . . .
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: stansimpson on October 04, 2011, 02:45:45 AM
Daaaaang.  I avoid a pointless argument thread for one day, and I miss all the fireworks!  All caught up on the thread now.  Man, that was entertaining.  LOVED the poll too.  I laughed audibly when I saw the vote 15 to 4 (I voted "yes" too).  I love a forum that appreciates snarkiness. 

Also, this totally made my jaw drop:
I am done with this forum and I will never buy another MST3K or Rifftrax product again because I know some of the money will go to keeping this forum up and letter Imrahil bully more people.
Shocking... because, in one explicit post, the Next Person To Snap thread officially ended and started a new round.  There have been close calls, but nothing quite as clear as this. Gonna visit that thread in a moment.

I propse all here with English Degrees be the Grammar Police with the hot chicka with a Master's Degree in English the Head Honcho  >:D
Oh goody!  I get to join the club!  By the way, you misspelled "propose".  Gee... it feels good already.   ;D 

Oh!  And Grammara Friend To Children FTW!  Nice job, k1!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 04, 2011, 06:25:13 AM
But was my spelling choice done on purpose? Let that one fuck with your mind
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 04, 2011, 06:27:03 AM
But was my spelling choice done on purpose?
Nope. :)

Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 04, 2011, 06:27:46 AM
Fuck all your English degrees, I say. Doesn't make you better than me and my high school diploma.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: jewishcarpenter on October 04, 2011, 06:46:01 AM
"Your syntax appears to be fucked. Do us all a favor and die in a fire." ~Anais every other day
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 04, 2011, 08:09:09 AM
But was my spelling choice done on purpose?
Nope. :)



How do you know? It was done on purpose in a way (In that I noticed it and then didn't change it) so.....what does that say about me?
Fuck all your English degrees, I say. Doesn't make you better than me and my high school diploma.
You have a marriage. I do not. I have a degree. You do not. What do we share? HOT HOT SEX!


"Your syntax appears to be fucked. Do us all a favor and die in a fire." ~Anais every other day
I approve this message
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 04, 2011, 08:11:33 AM
But was my spelling choice done on purpose?
Nope. :)



How do you know? It was done on purpose in a way (In that I noticed it and then didn't change it) so.....what does that say about me?

It says that your choice of signature banners is not timely.

Meh, I can't even see the thing at work. Who cares about my sig banners when MCCOY is my avatar!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 04, 2011, 08:14:03 AM
Fuck all your English degrees, I say. Doesn't make you better than me and my high school diploma.
You have a marriage. I do not. I have a degree. You do not. What do we share? HOT HOT SEX!

I approve of this message.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Bairman on October 04, 2011, 10:27:19 AM
What a delurkifyingly entertaining trainwreck of a thread...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on October 04, 2011, 10:41:26 AM
Great. I was rightfully ignoring this thread, and now I have to read through the whole thing as it is apparently a classis. And to figure out the origin of Grammera, because that is just too awesome.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 04, 2011, 10:41:43 AM
What a delurkifyingly entertaining trainwreck of a thread...
Glad you dropped by to enjoy it! :highfive:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 04, 2011, 11:13:05 AM
"Delurkifyingly" is my new favorite adverb.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 04, 2011, 11:23:46 AM
Great. I was rightfully ignoring this thread, and now I have to read through the whole thing as it is apparently a classis. And to figure out the origin of Grammera, because that is just too awesome.

See, follow the cool kids, we always know what is up
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 04, 2011, 11:36:40 AM
"Delurkifyingly" is my new favorite adverb.

So, I guess this thread has delurkifyability.  Or would it be delurkifyness?

Grammera we need you.

Saying "look, Grammera" in a low fake japanese accent is so much fun.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 04, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
I just realized we have no rifftrax fanboys here since tarantulas quit posting regularly.  How can that be?  We need people to fly off the handle when people say controversial things like "The Thor riff was only OK".
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 04, 2011, 12:25:32 PM
I just realized we have no rifftrax fanboys here since tarantulas quit posting regularly.  How can that be?  We need people to fly off the handle when people say controversial things like "The Thor riff was only OK".
i nominate RVR
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 04, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
I just realized we have no rifftrax fanboys here since tarantulas quit posting regularly.  How can that be?  We need people to fly off the handle when people say controversial things like "The Thor riff was only OK".
i nominate RVR

No, he will just say "The THOR riff was AWESOME...now what about Dune"
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mrbasehart on October 04, 2011, 02:00:49 PM
The only way to unsettle RVR is to talk about ladyboys and how sexy they are. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 04, 2011, 02:02:31 PM
Strangely enough, he does love talking about RVRlover's cock ring.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 04, 2011, 02:04:29 PM
Oh come now, only I and my Gowns can guarantee an eye gouge, well maybe Frank....
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 04, 2011, 03:55:09 PM
WTF ???

What'd I do :scared:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 04, 2011, 03:57:10 PM
i decided to nominate a random person and your post was the one the pointer landed on when i pressed the page down button
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on October 04, 2011, 04:55:25 PM
You have said that people that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live
Where did she say that? Quote it.

I can quote her saying that, assuming, of course, that forged quotes count.

People that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on October 04, 2011, 05:05:50 PM

I am not demanding perfect grammar from everyone at all times,she is.  I just want her to live by her own standards.  You attacks anyone who makes

You attacks anyone who makes? but over my dead body!
Okay, that had me laughing very much out loud.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on October 04, 2011, 05:16:33 PM
People on the "grammar doesn't matter" side seem to be missing the point.  Nobody is saying that your grammar and spelling has to be perfect.  If you were to say something like "Wurwolf and me enjoyed the Laser Mission Rifftrax VOD.", that is gramatically incorrect.  You wouldn't be using the object pronoun "me" in the subject of a sentence.  But it still gets the point across.  And if you misspell a complicated word, such as "committee", or "separate", or "restaurant" etc., the point still gets across.  The problem comes when your posts are, overall, riddled with so many grammatical, punctuation, capitalization, and spelling errors that the presentation looks terrible.

Albert Einstein was one of the most brilliant scientists who ever lived.  That's why his name is synonymous with "intelligent".  Yet if he spoke in baby talk, nobody would have taken him seriously.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on October 04, 2011, 05:21:53 PM
Are Latin and French still the languages of writing?
Yes they are, I read the latter and can read the former but generally don't. If you think grammar is bothersome in Englsih try French out for size when it comes to strictness sometime.
David Sedaris had some hilarious essays about learning French, particularly struggling with the gender of nouns.  Eventually he started speaking in plurals, so that he wouldn't have to bother with genders.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 04, 2011, 05:24:58 PM
Thrifty who exactly was on the side of grammar is unimportant? 


You have said that people that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live
Where did she say that? Quote it.

I can quote her saying that, assuming, of course, that forged quotes count.

People that make spelling mistakes are stupid and have no right to live.


Now that i see it quoted i remember that. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on October 04, 2011, 05:26:26 PM
What the hell are you talking about?  We are debating the value of grammar.  Its right up there with should i go to subway or quiznos for lunch today in importance of how much it will effect the outside world.  You have not defended yourself from an attack, you have ranted on the internet and distracted from a debate of ABSOLUTELY ZERO IMPORTANCE.  There is no reason to talk about killing anyone for anything said here.  

I was just called a liar in the post before yours,how is that not a personal attack. Also it's not just in this thread for months Imrahil has been stalking me and finding one reason or another to attack me just because i don't agree with on on everything from movies to grammar.

The fact is my only crime is not worshiping Imrhil as a god.

I am done with this forum and I will never buy another MST3K or Rifftrax product again because I know some of the money will go to keeping this forum up and letter Imrahil bully more people.

Dude.  I think you really do need to take a break from the forum - at least for a couple of days. 
I think what he needs is a good psychiatrist.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on October 04, 2011, 05:27:52 PM
Thrifty who exactly was on the side of grammar is unimportant? 
Wasn't that the entire reason you started this thread?  To advance the notion that the content of someone's expressions is better than the grammatical structure in their presentation?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on October 04, 2011, 05:29:10 PM
I worship Imrahil as God and it's gotten me nowhere.  :grr:
You don't enjoy the brownies and beer given out as Holy Communion?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 04, 2011, 05:32:18 PM
From the very first post:

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No where did i say grammar is Unimportant.  Granted most people posting responded under the assumption i think grammar is unimportant.  Which kinda backs my idea about clear thinking being harder to find than good grammar.  I would say most people respond to the questions they think the person asked instead of the one actually asked. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on October 04, 2011, 05:32:32 PM
I like Doc's tirades in this thread more than any of his tirades in the political thread, because this topic is so much less significant.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 04, 2011, 05:39:29 PM
I like Doc's tirades in this thread more than any of his tirades in the political thread, because this topic is so much less significant.

I don't know, he went pretty ballistic when I said a real fan shouldn't like the new star trek movie, movie talk has to be less significant than grammar.

And he was back posting today, so the quitting forever subroutine has timed out...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 04, 2011, 05:50:03 PM
No where did i say grammar is Unimportant.  Granted most people posting responded under the assumption i think grammar is unimportant.  Which kinda backs my idea about clear thinking being harder to find than good grammar.  I would say most people respond to the questions they think the person asked instead of the one actually asked. 

Unfortunately yes, a good percentage of people tend to add their own ideas into what they read or hear or even see.

I don't think anyone has brought up the idea of using good grammar out of courtesy to the reader.  So they don't have to waste time trying to decode what you are trying to say.  If you are taking the time to write something you must want people to read it, so make it easier for them.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mike5150 on October 04, 2011, 06:22:41 PM
Did you guys just see that bullshit that Marty just said? He said, and I quote: "Unfortunately yes, a good percentage of people tend to add their own ideas into what they read or hear or even see.....Purple Monkey Dishwasher!"

  Are we going to let him get away with that!? :angry:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 04, 2011, 06:25:58 PM
From the very first post:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

No where did i say grammar is Unimportant.  Granted most people posting responded under the assumption i think grammar is unimportant.  Which kinda backs my idea about clear thinking being harder to find than good grammar.  I would say most people respond to the questions they think the person asked instead of the one actually asked. 

Isn't the title of this thread "Grammar WHO CARES?" Or am I reading that wrong and it's really, "Grammar ONLY SLIGHTLY IMPORTANT"?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 04, 2011, 06:28:07 PM
Did you guys just see that bullshit that Marty just said? He said, and I quote: "Unfortunately yes, a good percentage of people tend to add their own ideas into what they read or hear or even see.....Purple Monkey Dishwasher!"

  Are we going to let him get away with that!? :angry:
Yeah, He used proper grammar :P
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 04, 2011, 06:42:56 PM
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Isn't the title of this thread "Grammar WHO CARES?" Or am I reading that wrong and it's really, "Grammar ONLY SLIGHTLY IMPORTANT"?

As Imrahil pointed out its really vague.  As i pointed out i did it on purpose.  Most people took who cares to mean who gives a shit.  As opposed to who here cares about grammar?  There are lots of other ways it could have been taken too.  I let people jump to whatever conclusion they wanted to.  Which kinda sort of helps my point about thinking clearly before you write.  In fact even that:

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Or am I reading that wrong and it's really, "Grammar ONLY SLIGHTLY IMPORTANT"?

is an assumption of my position and not one i made.  I said one is more important than the other.   If i said president Obama is more important than Vice president Joe Biden, you would not jump to the conclusion i think Joe Biden is unimportant. 

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I don't think anyone has brought up the idea of using good grammar out of courtesy to the reader.  So they don't have to waste time trying to decode what you are trying to say.  If you are taking the time to write something you must want people to read it, so make it easier for them

I do not want to go back through the whole 17 pages or whatever the hell its up to now, but i am pretty sure someone made that argument.  I would say its pretty damned valid. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 04, 2011, 06:44:36 PM
I would say more than enough people here though have made me reconsider the value of grammar.  I need to really work on it apparently, and I personally would not mind taking some classes to refresh all that I forgotten and learn that which I might never have learned. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 04, 2011, 06:46:10 PM
I would say more than enough people here though have made me reconsider the value of grammar.  I need to really work on it apparently, and I personally would not mind taking some classes to refresh all that I forgotten and learn that which I might never have learned.  
We'll let you slide soldier. 8)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 04, 2011, 06:48:23 PM
Actually I couldn't  give a flying fuck if you use proper grammar. You don't have to write the Queen's English. Just capitalize and take the time to use a period once in a while.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 04, 2011, 06:52:14 PM
Actually I couldn't  give a flying fuck if you use proper grammar. You don't have to write the Queen's English. Just capitalize and take the time to use a period once in a while.
OH SNAP! :o
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on October 04, 2011, 07:07:44 PM
Nobody cares about a Cheers spin-off show star. There. I said it.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 04, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
People like you should be taken out and shot. You aer stupid and have no right to live.

God, I can't make myself say it! I don't believe it! No one shoot k1, he's the best ever!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 04, 2011, 07:18:13 PM
Yeah Grammar was the best beast ever in an Xmen movie.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on October 04, 2011, 08:14:41 PM
People like you should be taken out and shot. You aer stupid and have no right to live.

*cocks shotgun*

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God, I can't make myself say it! I don't believe it! No one shoot k1, he's the best ever!

:(

*disappointment*
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Bob on October 04, 2011, 08:20:40 PM
People like you should be taken out and shot. You aer stupid and have no right to live.

*cocks shotgun*


Ahem, "racks shotgun"
 ;)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 05, 2011, 03:55:15 AM
*gets a crack rock*

Wait, what's going on?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 05, 2011, 11:04:49 AM
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I don't think anyone has brought up the idea of using good grammar out of courtesy to the reader.  So they don't have to waste time trying to decode what you are trying to say.  If you are taking the time to write something you must want people to read it, so make it easier for them

I do not want to go back through the whole 17 pages or whatever the hell its up to now, but i am pretty sure someone made that argument.  I would say its pretty damned valid.  

I attempted to make a point similar to this way back on page two (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22811.msg662486#msg662486). While I used the word respect instead of courtesy, I essentially meant the same concept. I think respect and courtesy are closely related in that one has to have at least a modicum of respect for someone in order to behave courteously towards them.

I would say more than enough people here though have made me reconsider the value of grammar.  I need to really work on it apparently, and I personally would not mind taking some classes to refresh all that I forgotten and learn that which I might never have learned.  

I admire your willingness to recognize the fact that your writing skills could use some improvement. I also applaud your willingness to take steps to make those improvements.

What I don't understand is why someone who has proven they are completely capable of achieving proper written communication would willfully and adamantly choose not to do so. This strikes me as a curious combination of arrogance, laziness, and discourteousness.

If by chance it is pure laziness, I don't understand that either. As a person who is somewhat educated in the proper use of the English language, I would find the task of purposely writing without proper punctuation, grammar, and spelling, distracting and time-consuming. It could very well be a generational thing, but I would have to make an effort to write poorly.

To paraphrase and hopefully further Wurwolf's point, I don't believe anyone is asking that all forum contributors write perfectly. I'm fairly certain nobody on this forum writes perfectly. But for those of us who attempt to adhere to the basic rules of grammar, punctuation, and spelling, it is much appreciated when those we are discoursing with do the same, or at the very least attempt to do the same.

This was part of my first post way back on page two as well, but I really believe that just employing this small handful of rules will eliminate 99% of the flack that comes from improper written communication. These rules are by no means comprehensive, but I believe putting them into practice would address all but the most minor objections that have been raised regarding written communication. It might actually make the difference between someone reading your post and just skipping over it.

Capitalize the first letter of each sentence. Capitalize the first-person pronoun "I" and its contractions "I'll" and "I'm". Also, use apostrophes and commas.
   after i write this post im going to get a double espresso because thats how i roll.
   Should be: After I write this post, I'm going to get a double espresso because that's how I roll.

Use spell-check. This is the perhaps the most simple cure of all. If your browser isn't putting a big-ass red underline under misspelled words, then you might want to try a different browser.


Happy communicating!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 05, 2011, 11:18:24 AM
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What I don't understand is why someone who has proven they are completely capable of achieving proper written communication would willfully and adamantly choose not to do so.

I would point out this still does not actually address what the original post of mine was.  I still must say that is part of what I am talking about, about clear thinking.  If a question is asked and you intend to respond, you should actually address the question.  You would be shocked to learn how rarely that is actually done.  It is of little importance however.  I have been thinking about this all week (cause I like to ponder things) and I realized where I work the actual thought put into is critical.  I will out of necessity focus more on a speakers point and thought process than their spelling, however I now realize that others may think this way, so I need to really put effort into my presentation.


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Use spell-check. This is the perhaps the most simple cure of all. If your browser isn't putting a big-ass red underline under misspelled words, then you might want to try a different browser.

Sadly not an option at work, where I do most of posting during down time.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: stansimpson on October 05, 2011, 11:20:24 AM
*cracks a pot*

Ignore sarc and D.B., doggans. This is waaay more relevant.

*continues cracking pots*
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 05, 2011, 11:29:54 AM
*cracks a pot*

Ignore sarc and D.B., doggans. This is waaay more relevant.

*continues cracking pots*

Although not germane to the thread's original point.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 05, 2011, 11:31:03 AM
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What I don't understand is why someone who has proven they are completely capable of achieving proper written communication would willfully and adamantly choose not to do so.

I would point out this still does not actually address what the original post of mine was.  I still must say that is part of what I am talking about, about clear thinking.  If a question is asked and you intend to respond, you should actually address the question.  You would be shocked to learn how rarely that is actually done.  It is of little importance however.  I have been thinking about this all week (cause I like to ponder things) and I realized where I work the actual thought put into is critical.  I will out of necessity focus more on a speakers point and thought process than their spelling, however I now realize that others may think this way, so I need to really put effort into my presentation.

You said it yourself that the intent of the thread was for people to make their own interpretations regarding what you were actually asking. I don't know what you mean when you say "If a question is asked and you intend to respond, you should actually address the question." There have been many questions raised in the course of this thread, most of which have been directly addressed with a great deal of clear thinking.

Also, if this is your only response to my post, then you appear to have decided defensiveness and deflection is the best approach. Given the fact that not only did I compliment you, but you're not even the individual I was referring to in the latter part of my post, that's very disappointing.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 05, 2011, 01:38:45 PM
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Also, if this is your only response to my post, then you appear to have decided defensiveness and deflection is the best approach. Given the fact that not only did I compliment you, but you're not even the individual I was referring to in the latter part of my post, that's very disappointing.

I am not being defensive at all.  I liked your post quite a great deal actually.  As for that latter part (spell check I think is what we are talking about here?) I am merely lamenting that the only thing I can use here is Internet Explorer.

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You said it yourself that the intent of the thread was for people to make their own interpretations regarding what you were actually asking.

When I said this I was referring to the title of the thread. 

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I don't know what you mean when you say "If a question is asked and you intend to respond you should actually address the question

When I said this I was referring to my original post in which I said:

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I say good clear thinking is more important than good clear presentation.  WHO DISAGREES 

As to what you say here:

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There have been many questions raised in the course of this thread, most of which have been directly addressed with a great deal of clear thinking.


I agree totally.  It was a very worthwhile conversation.

I am curious what makes you feel specifically I am being defensive and I am deflecting?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: stansimpson on October 05, 2011, 01:43:49 PM
*cracks a pot*

Ignore sarc and D.B., doggans. This is waaay more relevant.

*continues cracking pots*

Although not germane to the thread's original point.

Oh... I didn't mean relevant to this thread.  I meant relevant to life in general.   ;)

Who's Germane?  Wait... Didn't he play football for my high school?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 05, 2011, 01:46:41 PM
(spell check I think is what we are talking about here?) I am merely lamenting that the only thing I can use here is Internet Explorer.

There are spell check options for explorer.  Or are you forbidden from installing ad-ons or toolbars?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 05, 2011, 01:48:59 PM
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Also, if this is your only response to my post, then you appear to have decided defensiveness and deflection is the best approach. Given the fact that not only did I compliment you, but you're not even the individual I was referring to in the latter part of my post, that's very disappointing.

I am not being defensive at all.  I liked your post quite a great deal actually.  As for that latter part (spell check I think is what we are talking about here?) I am merely lamenting that the only thing I can use here is Internet Explorer.

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You said it yourself that the intent of the thread was for people to make their own interpretations regarding what you were actually asking.

When I said this I was referring to the title of the thread. 

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I don't know what you mean when you say "If a question is asked and you intend to respond you should actually address the question

When I said this I was referring to my original post in which I said:

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I say good clear thinking is more important than good clear presentation.  WHO DISAGREES 

As to what you say here:

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There have been many questions raised in the course of this thread, most of which have been directly addressed with a great deal of clear thinking.


I agree totally.  It was a very worthwhile conversation.

I am curious what makes you feel specifically I am being defensive and I am deflecting?

I guess our lines got crossed here. I took it as defensive that your post didn't appear to address what I was saying and just repeated what you had written in previous posts. If it wasn't meant that way, then I misinterpreted it.

And by "latter part of my post," I wasn't referring to the rules or spell-check, I was referring to adamantly choosing to write poorly even though one possesses the ability to do so.

I hope this clears things up somewhat.



*cracks a pot*

Ignore sarc and D.B., doggans. This is waaay more relevant.

*continues cracking pots*

Although not germane to the thread's original point.

Oh... I didn't mean relevant to this thread.  I meant relevant to life in general.   ;)

Who's Germane?  Wait... Didn't he play football for my high school?

(http://www.topnews.in/files/Jermaine-Jackson.jpg)

Real or wax museum?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 05, 2011, 01:50:07 PM
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There are spell check options for explorer.  Or are you forbidden from installing ad-ons or toolbars?

Sadly i am forbidden both.  I am not even sure if its the newest version of IE.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 05, 2011, 01:58:19 PM
I just found this thread last night (via Wurwulf's current footer/sig area).  Trying to catch up on it (and trying to keep what I respond to in the first 16 pages to a minimum  :D ).  In editing, I've tried to trim this as much as possible.  Hopefully there are those on the boards who know me and my posts well enough to feel it worth reading what my comments are, despite the length.

So its come up a few times now so i figured we need this thread to keep us from derailing all the other threads.  Kinda like a rain gutter.

I say good clear thinking is more important than good clear presentation.  WHO DISAGREES :)  

Following my third head injury I could often think clearly, but expressing myself I'd leave out words, sometimes whole ideas, have ideas in the wrong order, use misplaced punctuation, etc.  Because I was not expressing myself well, I lost a series of friends.  Some were newish, one was my best friend who I'd known for over 30 years (and the confused expression very nearly cost me my next oldest, dearest friend as well).  Because HOW I said something changed the meaning of what I said, or implied something quite different than what I meant.  And people, even sometimes friends who have known you a lifetime, may not bother to ask if what you wrote (or what they heard) was what you meant.  My experience has been that clear thinking, without clear presentation, is often grossly misinterpreted.

So my response to the original post's question is: if your presentation of your idea is easily misunderstood by your listener, the quality of your thinking itself is - for all intents and purposes - irrelevant... (that is: presuming you want to communicate, rather than just mentally masturbate).

For my own comfort level, having lost so many friends to miscommunication, with more involved ideas (or lengthier posts ;) ), I write and edit them in a simple text editor off-line and occasionally will save it overnight to my hard drive rather than just post it, if I think it might not be fully comprehensible initially.  Once I am satisfied it is 'good enough', THEN I hit the 'REPLY' button at the bottom of the thread's page.  [For instance: this paragraph itself did not appear in my initial draft of this post.]


I like big words because I'm lazy. I'd rather just say that something was perfunctory as opposed to saying that it was something that I do from day to day, but not something into which I put a whole lot of thought.

There is an awful lot to be said for using a single 'big' word when otherwise you'd have to write a sentence (the above Action Batch quote being a great example).  That's why technical language exists for probably every specialized activity (or thought).  ['Course, I could have been perfunctory in my comment by just saying, "true, dat!"]

If anyone cares, something that I learned in language therapy after my second head injury (which involved direct impact to the left temple: the 'language part' of the brain [though the rhythm and emotional tone of language is believed to be right-hemisphere]) was that larger words are often easier for those with head injuries to remember and use.  It was said that this was because the 'simpler' words have more neuronal connections to them, so have more connections that are likely to have been broken in any impact.  Ultimately I had to re-learn 'common' language in order not to be thought a pompous ass.  [That may not have worked, however.   ;D ]

[Of course, using my full vocabulary when talking to the insurance company - to them - made it seem ludicrous that I was being described as having had a head injury.  That was despite the very fact of my 'intelligent language' use basically proving it, because they could not comprehend that idea.]


There's a lot to making a good impression on a potential employer.  People equate poor verbal skills with lack of intelligence, so speaking well is going to naturally rank up there with wearing appropriate clothing, having shaved (for guys, obviously),....

Possibly even more important for women to have shaved, if they need to.   ;D



I agree with what D.B. wrote in the lengthier post on page 18.  (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22811.msg663471#msg663471 (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22811.msg663471#msg663471))

And, while I don't believe it applied to D.B. (as many questions have been raised and responded to in this thread), I agree with sarcasm_made_Easy's point (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22811.msg663474#msg663474) that often people do not actually address questions that are asked.

'Active listening' is a technique taught by Psychologists who do marriage counseling, yet it should be something everyone is taught.  In active listening, the person who receives a communication - before trying to formulate a response - asks any questions they have about what the communication meant.  That is to ensure that what they think they heard is what the original communicator intended.  This prevents escalations (such as occurred in this thread roughly on pages 6-8).

Replying quickly is often inversely related to replying coherently, or in a way that shows a comprehension of what had been said before that one is replying to.

Which brings us back to the core question again: what is the value of proper grammar?  If one's use of the English language results in their ideas not getting across to most people, then their language skills require work.  This will affect everything from Tweets, to long online posts (such as this one), to communicating with work associates, to communicating with one's spouse.  If one is rarely misunderstood, then their language skills are 'good enough'.

If one does not have a basic knowledge of the way language works, and use precision in that use when possible, then they are likely to have more conflicts in their interactions with others than people who use language proficiently.  This thread has already proved that.

[My 2000¢ there.  (Obviously WAY more than 2¢ here.  ;) )]
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 05, 2011, 02:03:46 PM
Very nice post man.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 05, 2011, 02:06:04 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 05, 2011, 02:07:19 PM
I just found this thread last night (via Wurwulf's current footer/sig area).  Trying to catch up on it (and trying to keep what I respond to in the first 16 pages to a minimum  :D ).  In editing, I've tried to trim this as much as possible.  Hopefully there are those on the boards who know me and my posts well enough to feel it worth reading what my comments are, despite the length.

Your analysis is always interesting, insightful, and well worth reading, Lucas.  :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 05, 2011, 02:11:29 PM
I just found this thread last night (via Wurwulf's current footer/sig area).  Trying to catch up on it (and trying to keep what I respond to in the first 16 pages to a minimum  :D ).  In editing, I've tried to trim this as much as possible.  Hopefully there are those on the boards who know me and my posts well enough to feel it worth reading what my comments are, despite the length.

Your analysis is always interesting, insightful, and well worth reading, Lucas.  :)

[Too bad there's no ''aw, shucks!' foot-scuffing-on-floor' smiley.]  Thank you, D.B.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mike5150 on October 05, 2011, 03:34:05 PM
I just found this thread last night (via Wurwulf's current footer/sig area).  Trying to catch up on it (and trying to keep what I respond to in the first 16 pages to a minimum  :D ).  In editing, I've tried to trim this as much as possible.  Hopefully there are those on the boards who know me and my posts well enough to feel it worth reading what my comments are, despite the length.

Your analysis is always interesting, insightful, and well worth reading, Lucas.  :)

[Too bad there's no ''aw, shucks!' foot-scuffing-on-floor' smiley.]  Thank you, D.B.
yeah.....what grammar.   ;)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 05, 2011, 04:04:29 PM
I just found this thread last night (via Wurwulf's current footer/sig area).  Trying to catch up on it (and trying to keep what I respond to in the first 16 pages to a minimum  :D ).  In editing, I've tried to trim this as much as possible.  Hopefully there are those on the boards who know me and my posts well enough to feel it worth reading what my comments are, despite the length.

So its come up a few times now so i figured we need this thread to keep us from derailing all the other threads.  Kinda like a rain gutter.

I say good clear thinking is more important than good clear presentation.  WHO DISAGREES :)  

Following my third head injury I could often think clearly, but expressing myself I'd leave out words, sometimes whole ideas, have ideas in the wrong order, use misplaced punctuation, etc.  Because I was not expressing myself well, I lost a series of friends.  Some were newish, one was my best friend who I'd known for over 30 years (and the confused expression very nearly cost me my next oldest, dearest friend as well).  Because HOW I said something changed the meaning of what I said, or implied something quite different than what I meant.  And people, even sometimes friends who have known you a lifetime, may not bother to ask if what you wrote (or what they heard) was what you meant.  My experience has been that clear thinking, without clear presentation, is often grossly misinterpreted.

So my response to the original post's question is: if your presentation of your idea is easily misunderstood by your listener, the quality of your thinking itself is - for all intents and purposes - irrelevant... (that is: presuming you want to communicate, rather than just mentally masturbate).

For my own comfort level, having lost so many friends to miscommunication, with more involved ideas (or lengthier posts ;) ), I write and edit them in a simple text editor off-line and occasionally will save it overnight to my hard drive rather than just post it, if I think it might not be fully comprehensible initially.  Once I am satisfied it is 'good enough', THEN I hit the 'REPLY' button at the bottom of the thread's page.  [For instance: this paragraph itself did not appear in my initial draft of this post.]


I like big words because I'm lazy. I'd rather just say that something was perfunctory as opposed to saying that it was something that I do from day to day, but not something into which I put a whole lot of thought.

There is an awful lot to be said for using a single 'big' word when otherwise you'd have to write a sentence (the above Action Batch quote being a great example).  That's why technical language exists for probably every specialized activity (or thought).  ['Course, I could have been perfunctory in my comment by just saying, "true, dat!"]

If anyone cares, something that I learned in language therapy after my second head injury (which involved direct impact to the left temple: the 'language part' of the brain [though the rhythm and emotional tone of language is believed to be right-hemisphere]) was that larger words are often easier for those with head injuries to remember and use.  It was said that this was because the 'simpler' words have more neuronal connections to them, so have more connections that are likely to have been broken in any impact.  Ultimately I had to re-learn 'common' language in order not to be thought a pompous ass.  [That may not have worked, however.   ;D ]

[Of course, using my full vocabulary when talking to the insurance company - to them - made it seem ludicrous that I was being described as having had a head injury.  That was despite the very fact of my 'intelligent language' use basically proving it, because they could not comprehend that idea.]


There's a lot to making a good impression on a potential employer.  People equate poor verbal skills with lack of intelligence, so speaking well is going to naturally rank up there with wearing appropriate clothing, having shaved (for guys, obviously),....

Possibly even more important for women to have shaved, if they need to.   ;D



I agree with what D.B. wrote in the lengthier post on page 18.  (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22811.msg663471#msg663471 (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22811.msg663471#msg663471))

And, while I don't believe it applied to D.B. (as many questions have been raised and responded to in this thread), I agree with sarcasm_made_Easy's point (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22811.msg663474#msg663474) that often people do not actually address questions that are asked.

'Active listening' is a technique taught by Psychologists who do marriage counseling, yet it should be something everyone is taught.  In active listening, the person who receives a communication - before trying to formulate a response - asks any questions they have about what the communication meant.  That is to ensure that what they think they heard is what the original communicator intended.  This prevents escalations (such as occurred in this thread roughly on pages 6-8).

Replying quickly is often inversely related to replying coherently, or in a way that shows a comprehension of what had been said before that one is replying to.

Which brings us back to the core question again: what is the value of proper grammar?  If one's use of the English language results in their ideas not getting across to most people, then their language skills require work.  This will affect everything from Tweets, to long online posts (such as this one), to communicating with work associates, to communicating with one's spouse.  If one is rarely misunderstood, then their language skills are 'good enough'.

If one does not have a basic knowledge of the way language works, and use precision in that use when possible, then they are likely to have more conflicts in their interactions with others than people who use language proficiently.  This thread has already proved that.

[My 2000¢ there.  (Obviously WAY more than 2¢ here.  ;) )]
OHNOESIVEGONECROSSEYED!!! :speechless:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 05, 2011, 06:12:50 PM
[Too bad there's no ''aw, shucks!' foot-scuffing-on-floor' smiley.]  Thank you, D.B.
yeah.....what grammar.   ;)

It is possible that mike5150 was just trying to be clever here [since he didn't capitalize the first word in his comment, and used a period instead of a question mark, and with the winking smiley, it suggests so].

But is it possible that some people on the boards actually didn't understand "foot-scuffing-on-floor" was a 'stage direction'?  Or didn't understand that the single quotes were around the entire name that would be ascribed to a smiley I was facetiously discussing, which would be "Aw shucks! foot-scuffing-on-floor" [just as other smileys here are named such abbreviated things as "Lips Sealed", "Badum-PSST!" and "Roll Eyes"]?  I am interested to know: could anyone actually NOT understand what I was saying (and how I was presenting it)?


. . . .
OHNOESIVEGONECROSSEYED!!! :speechless:

I'm terribly sorry, RVR.  It must be so difficult for you.  To be unable to read, without eye trouble, a post that is maybe 1/3 as long as an article in People magazine; a post that has actual content in it, in a thread about a serious subject that you chose to look at.  :'(  If that is the case, perhaps in the future you should avoid the threads with ideas that require more than a sentence or two to conclude.


[And, yes, just because I was a therapist doesn't mean that when I've used much of a day's worth of functional brain energy on something - that people then piss on, with no constructive content to their post at all - I don't get snarky at times.]
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 05, 2011, 06:44:07 PM
I will admit to it.  I could not read it.  I can only read in Hangul.  I have to translate everything people post using Google translate, write my response then translate it back to English. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mike5150 on October 05, 2011, 06:47:42 PM
[Too bad there's no ''aw, shucks!' foot-scuffing-on-floor' smiley.]  Thank you, D.B.
yeah.....what grammar.   ;)

It is possible that mike5150 was just trying to be clever here [since he didn't capitalize the first word in his comment, and used a period instead of a question mark, and with the winking smiley, it suggests so].

But is it possible that some people on the boards actually didn't understand "foot-scuffing-on-floor" was a 'stage direction'?  Or didn't understand that the single quotes were around the entire name that would be ascribed to a smiley I was facetiously discussing, which would be "Aw shucks! foot-scuffing-on-floor" [just as other smileys here are named such abbreviated things as "Lips Sealed", "Badum-PSST!" and "Roll Eyes"]?  I am interested to know: could anyone actually NOT understand what I was saying (and how I was presenting it)?


. . . .
OHNOESIVEGONECROSSEYED!!! :speechless:

I'm terribly sorry, RVR.  It must be so difficult for you.  To be unable to read, without eye trouble, a post that is maybe 1/3 as long as an article in People magazine; a post that has actual content in it, in a thread about a serious subject that you chose to look at.  :'(  If that is the case, perhaps in the future you should avoid the threads with ideas that require more than a sentence or two to conclude.


[And, yes, just because I was a therapist doesn't mean that when I've used much of a day's worth of functional brain energy on something - that people then piss on, with no constructive content to their post at all - I don't get snarky at times.]
hehe...I was actually just kidding around. It was to be read as "Wow! what grammar."   ;D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 05, 2011, 07:10:44 PM
hehe...I was actually just kidding around. It was to be read as "Wow! what grammar."   ;D

So "yeah... what grammar" should have been "yeah! (fist pump) what grammar!

Stage direction can make or break a snarky comment.  ;D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 05, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
hehe...I was actually just kidding around. It was to be read as "Wow! what grammar."   ;D

Yeah, like I figured (given the lack of cap, the punctuation and smiley).  :)

So "yeah... what grammar" should have been "yeah! (fist pump) what grammar!

Stage direction can make or break a snarky comment.  ;D

 :D   :clap:


I will admit to it.  I could not read it.  I can only read in Hangul.  I have to translate everything people post using Google translate, write my response then translate it back to English.

If you aren't being amusing (or, perhaps, sarcastic, given that your profile says you live through the looking glass? ;) ), thank you.  Regardless, that is something that I didn't even consider.  A limitation in my thinking: it didn't occur to me that a translator could be in play for anyone's reading or writing on this board.  [Keep in mind that it is over 12 years since my third head injury and I still have difficulty sometimes making the connections between, "I'm hungry," and, "I need to eat."]

If you do have to use a translator, it is astonishing your posts are as clear as they are, particularly if translating from English to an Asian language, then back (when the Asian languages use very different grammar, have very different word use because of different ways of thinking, and, as anyone trying to read a translated owners manual knows, is virtually impossible to translate well).

And with the possibility of people using translators, all the more reason for people to use good grammar (so the translators can figure it out).   :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 05, 2011, 07:32:51 PM
Wow now I actually feel bad.  I was being sarcastic.  Heh Sorry about that. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 05, 2011, 07:56:43 PM
Wow now I actually feel bad.  I was being sarcastic.  Heh Sorry about that.  

Not a problem.  It did seem, shall we say, 'unrealistic' that you were in Korea, given the comprehensibility of your posts (and the rapidity with which they appear).  But there likely ARE people on here for whom English is a second language, where more unusual - idiomatic - phrasing or structure would be problematic.

EDIT:  I've also come to accept, in the last 12 years, that when I'm past my limits I get more concrete in my thinking [i.e. I can't go beyond the actual words someone is saying, particularly if they are abstract].  That results in what I have termed "organic gullibility" ["organic" referring to physical damage, in this case to the brain], where I am less likely to catch when someone is 'playing' or kidding (or, sadly, when someone is being deliberately deceptive to take advantage of me, financially for instance [fortunately I have trustworthy people helping me with finances now]).
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 05, 2011, 08:15:31 PM
I have what I like to think is a playful nature.  So a lot of my posts are flippant in nature.  Often I am making a point, sometimes it is just because I enjoy nonsense. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 05, 2011, 08:30:59 PM
I have what I like to think is a playful nature.  So a lot of my posts are flippant in nature.  Often I am making a point, sometimes it is just because I enjoy nonsense.  

[Response to the highlighted part:]  Hmmm... the Jaberwocks in your sig area (and your profile listing "tugley woods" as your location) would never have suggested such a thing.  ;)

But a fair amount in person since my head injuries, and probably even moreso online, if I am unsure I assume sincerity.  Errors in that direction are far less potentially disruptive than are errors in the opposite direction.  [If I had any brainpower left today, I could probably link that idea back to the thread's main topic.  ;D ]
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 05, 2011, 09:00:03 PM
I think I killed the thread.   ::)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 05, 2011, 09:04:06 PM
No man you did not.  If anything you elevated it.  Granted people really slow down their posting this late at night. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: gbeenie on October 05, 2011, 11:36:49 PM
Is "Dolly-popper" a British saying? I say if it isn't, it SHOULD be. It is just damn fun to say. " I do say, that ordeal was quite the Dolly popper"  :)

I dunno. That sounds too much like an affectionate nickname the judges at a child beauty pageant would use for the "bad judge."
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Nergol on October 06, 2011, 12:50:33 AM
Expressing yourself clearly is part of thinking clearly. If someone cannot express their ideas clearly, in standard and correct grammar, I have every reason to question whether they have the mental discipline, education, or skill sets necessary to come up with useful ideas. Being able to express one's ideas clearly and correctly in one's own native language is, after all, a pretty basic skill. The basic correct use of the English language is (for native speakers) not that hard. I don't expect the average person to be able to pass the GRE in Literature (which I'm taking in two weeks), and I don't necessarily expect them to know the difference between "sensual" and "sensuous", or between metonymy and synecdoche - but I do expect them to know basic things like the difference between "lose" and "loose", and when to (and to not) put an apostrophe before an "s". I also expect them to know that a business document is not the same as a text message to their girlfriend, and that punctuation, capitalization, and the use of the full forms of words is de rigueur. The expectation that adults, especially those of university education in professional fields, will be able to express their ideas in a clear, concise, grammatically correct version of their own native language, is in no way an unreasonable standard.

In no other area would people who are too lazy to learn a basic skill complain that the skill is at fault. If I say that 2+2=5, people will (justly) say that I'm wrong - and they won't listen if I say that math rules are stupid and arbitrary, or that everybody thinks that 2+2 does equal 5 these days, or that they're just fuddy duddies holding to old rules that some dead white male came up with, or that any rules of addition, no matter what result they came up with, could be equally valid. Same with grammar. "Their", "there", and "they're" are not the same words, are not synonyms, and are not interchangeable. If you use the inappropriate one, you're wrong.

This is someone trying to "ask" you:
(http://i.bnet.com/blogs/officespace-lundbergh.jpg)

This is someone trying to "axe" you:
(http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef012876a8aa1e970c-500wi)


If you used the word that describes one of the above situations to describe the other, you're wrong. Sentences (and yes, I'm sure there are some rare exceptions such as "iPhones are...") start with a capital letter. If you don't use one, you're wrong. "You" does not contract to "u". If "u" use this contraction, you're wrong. You're not expressing your individuality, or being poetic, or blazing new ground - you're just wrong in your application of a basic skill.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 06, 2011, 04:32:19 AM
I don't necessarily expect them to know the difference between "sensual" and "sensuous"
As Julie Burchill used to say, you often used to hear celebs say "I'm a sensual person" when what they were trying to say was "I go like a train".
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 06, 2011, 08:46:30 AM
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300929_2010501186341_1358095308_1909343_174541962_n.jpg)


P.S. Excellent post, Nergol. Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 06, 2011, 08:48:52 AM
P.S. Excellent post, Nergol. Couldn't agree more.

I agree more!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 06, 2011, 08:53:28 AM
P.S. Excellent post, Nergol. Couldn't agree more.

I agree more!

Nuh uh!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: spaceforarent on October 06, 2011, 09:02:38 AM
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300929_2010501186341_1358095308_1909343_174541962_n.jpg)

Monty Python did it
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 06, 2011, 09:04:06 AM
P.S. Excellent post, Nergol. Couldn't agree more.

I agree more!

Nuh uh!
Well I could care less which of the two of you agree the most (I'm at around middling levels of care at the moment).
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 06, 2011, 09:06:58 AM
P.S. Excellent post, Nergol. Couldn't agree more.

I agree more!

Nuh uh!
Well I could care less which of the two of you agree the most (I'm at around middling levels of care at the moment).

Irregardless of how much you care, it was still a great post.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 06, 2011, 09:07:40 AM
I think I need a color-coded chart to gauge everybody's caring/agreement levels.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 06, 2011, 04:13:38 PM
heh

http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2011/10/06
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 06, 2011, 05:03:00 PM
heh

http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2011/10/06
(http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/protectedimage.php?image=EamonnMcCusker/LifeOfBrian03.jpg_06112007)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 06, 2011, 05:07:33 PM
Nice post Nergol.  I agree roughly the same as the mean of the agreement levels between D.B. and wurwulf.  I love your illustrations of your points (both verbal and visual), as they are clear and unambiguous.

In defensiveness, I suppose someone might suggest that the use of the incorrect term for the second visual example might be correct in this instance:
"I axed them to open the door!"
(http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef012876a8aa1e970c-500wi)
However, that would also be incorrect, because the person in question would then have the event sequence arranged improperly, as the door would be open before he axes those on the other side, not after.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Pak-Man on October 07, 2011, 11:25:22 AM
At the end of the day, grammar serves 2 primary functions out here in the World Wide Web.

1) It is your suit. Nobody knows what we're actually WEARING (Thank goodness) so the first impression we make on new people we meet is made by how we choose to form our sentences. Just like choosing to wear a Metallica shirt to a job interview, using really, really bad grammar gets you ignored, sometimes insulted by the very people you're trying to get the attention of. Doesn't matter what you had to bring to the job/conversation, the presentation was botched and you don't get the job/taken seriously in the conversation.

2) It is the conveyer of ideas. This is why your grammar doesn't have to be pitch-perfect. If grammar is just one of those things you're never going to get down, you at least need to know it well enough to communicate it properly.

There is a game I play online called "Doodle or Die". Some of us here might remember "Broken Picture Telephone". This is that, pretty much. (It's unmoderated right now. They're working on accounts, but they don't have them in yet, so expect a lot of chain-breaking trolling if you try to play.) For those that don't know the game, someone draws a picture. The next person sees the picture and writes a description of the picture. The next person sees the description only, and tries to draw what the previous person describes, and so on and so on...

What I like about the game is how the nuances of language start to become clear. Little grammar errors and cultural concepts (Football means something different in other countries, for instance) turn simple ideas into entirely new ideas. The end result can be something like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/0V0kx.png)


And that's what grammar is all about!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 07, 2011, 02:52:12 PM
1) It is your suit. Nobody knows what we're actually WEARING (Thank goodness) so the first impression we make on new people we meet is made by how we choose to form our sentences. Just like choosing to wear a Metallica shirt to a job interview, using really, really bad grammar gets you ignored, sometimes insulted by the very people you're trying to get the attention of. Doesn't matter what you had to bring to the job/conversation, the presentation was botched and you don't get the job/taken seriously in the conversation.

Ooh, if you don't mind, I'm going to steal this analogy from you in the future.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: stansimpson on October 07, 2011, 03:27:33 PM
There is a game I play online called "Doodle or Die". Some of us here might remember "Broken Picture Telephone". This is that, pretty much. (It's unmoderated right now. They're working on accounts, but they don't have them in yet, so expect a lot of chain-breaking trolling if you try to play.) For those that don't know the game, someone draws a picture. The next person sees the picture and writes a description of the picture. The next person sees the description only, and tries to draw what the previous person describes, and so on and so on...


That's a New Year's game for us.  So much fun.  Only it's those who draw the worst that it gets hilarious.  Stupid drawing skills.  I should prob stick to more two dimensional drawings.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: stansimpson on October 07, 2011, 05:24:50 PM
Okay, Pak. I just spent the past hour and a half getting sucked into it.  Thanks a lot.   ;)  Definitely a 4chan crowd.  But it's worth it for the fun.  Here are the most common themes I've found:

Sex
Poop
Pokemon

And apparently a carrot will always be recognized as a carrot.  Also... I had to share this:
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/stansimpson/Picture24-2.png)

::facepalm::
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: gbeenie on October 07, 2011, 08:02:30 PM
One of the things I haven't seen discussed in this thread is the sheer joy of being able to play with language. Sure, vocabulary is your toolbox for communication, but it can also be your toybox. I love American English. LOVE IT. And it's not in spite of the fact that such a mongrel, it's because of it. The better your command of language is, the more you can relax and have fun with communication.

And although I am currently enrolled in college, I just wanted to say: Autodidacts represent! When I look at the stuff I'm writing for my current Mandatory Lit. class (oh, how I wish it was actually called that), I realize more and more that there is no way I could have written this stuff back when I was in college the first time. The intervening twenty years have given me so much in terms of my love of language, and my ability to communicate effectively.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 07, 2011, 08:06:23 PM
One of the things I haven't seen discussed in this thread is the sheer joy of being able to play with language. Sure, vocabulary is your toolbox for communication, but it can also be your toybox. I love American English. LOVE IT. And it's not in spite of the fact that such a mongrel, it's because of it. The better your command of language is, the more you can relax and have fun with communication.
Correct, and this goes for all world Englishes. English is the Borg of languages. I actually collect dictionaries of Slang and similar compendia of variant English (Wordsworth Reference had a bunch of them in the 90s) because it's fascinating how creative the users of the language can be.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 07, 2011, 08:14:19 PM
One of the things I haven't seen discussed in this thread is the sheer joy of being able to play with language. Sure, vocabulary is your toolbox for communication, but it can also be your toybox. I love American English. LOVE IT. And it's not in spite of the fact that such a mongrel, it's because of it. The better your command of language is, the more you can relax and have fun with communication.

Agree 100%!  [Just look at my current sig line, and the vast majority of my non-serious posts.]  That love of the language is precisely why I find it bothersome that there is implied violence in RiffTrax (and other riffing) when someone uses a pun or wordplay.  That happened on MST3K also, but wasn't as frequent or as violent as what is suggested in the RiffTrax sound effects.  Puns or any other wordplay require intelligence and an ability to make unexpected connections between things.  To be upset with a pun is to be upset with someone who has a talent and education.

Oh, and people who love the language and have fun with it must read Anguished English by Richard Lederer if they haven't already.  ...You'll be glad you did. :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 07, 2011, 08:32:32 PM
One of the things I haven't seen discussed in this thread is the sheer joy of being able to play with language. Sure, vocabulary is your toolbox for communication, but it can also be your toybox. I love American English. LOVE IT. And it's not in spite of the fact that such a mongrel, it's because of it. The better your command of language is, the more you can relax and have fun with communication.
Correct, and this goes for all world Englishes. English is the Borg of languages. I actually collect dictionaries of Slang and similar compendia of variant English (Wordsworth Reference had a bunch of them in the 90s) because it's fascinating how creative the users of the language can be.
which is why urban dictionary has over 6 million entries on slang. And the thing about English is that it isn't just adopting words from other languages, but that it creates new words entirely.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 08, 2011, 01:36:50 AM
That is a particularly uncromulent thing to say. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 08, 2011, 05:47:16 AM
One of the things I haven't seen discussed in this thread is the sheer joy of being able to play with language. Sure, vocabulary is your toolbox for communication, but it can also be your toybox. I love American English. LOVE IT. And it's not in spite of the fact that such a mongrel, it's because of it. The better your command of language is, the more you can relax and have fun with communication.
Correct, and this goes for all world Englishes. English is the Borg of languages. I actually collect dictionaries of Slang and similar compendia of variant English (Wordsworth Reference had a bunch of them in the 90s) because it's fascinating how creative the users of the language can be.
which is why urban dictionary has over 6 million entries on slang. And the thing about English is that it isn't just adopting words from other languages, but that it creates new words entirely.

Yes, I wrote a monograph on the subject of neologesis in the English language that I made a Power Point presentation of, if I can find it I can post it.

Kidding, nobody want's to read that (I did write that and create the presentation though, just not sure where they are).
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Ortega on October 08, 2011, 07:34:20 AM
Wow.   

Twenty-two pages of pontificating on grammar Nazism.  Kinda reminds me of the reason why i don't visit this forum as much as i used to.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 08, 2011, 07:37:04 AM
Actually most of the posts are really discussions about language usage in general, it's a fairly interesting thread if one ignores certain posts. :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 08, 2011, 10:18:57 AM
Actually most of the posts are really discussions about language usage in general, it's a fairly interesting thread if one ignores certain posts. :)

Absolutely. There have been numerous excellent posts celebrating our language and the importance of proper usage. Throw in a couple bitch-slap schoolings and a total meltdown, and you've got yourself a classic thread.

What'chu talkin' 'bout, Ortega???
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 08, 2011, 10:42:43 AM
Wow.    

Twenty-two pages of pontificating on grammar Nazism.  Kinda reminds me of the reason why i don't visit this forum as much as i used to.

Sadly you and many others, whatever your feelings are toward the forum, are missed.  I wonder where Randy the moony is.  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on October 09, 2011, 06:50:48 AM
Plus the birth of Grammara!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 09, 2011, 07:30:34 AM
Plus the birth of Grammara!
Can he make smoke-ring style letters with his flaming feet?? :o
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 09, 2011, 11:07:12 AM
I hate the subconscious sometimes.  Part of my dream last night involved i was late in preparing a briefing, on the importance of grammar and style in a presentation.   
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 09, 2011, 02:22:30 PM
I hate the subconscious sometimes.  Part of my dream last night involved i was late in preparing a briefing, on the importance of grammar and style in a presentation.

Well?  Where are your charts and graphs?  They were due PAGES ago!   :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 09, 2011, 02:24:13 PM
I was scrambling to get a power point slide built.  it was weird (cause there was other stuff going on).  No matter how i tried the computer just would not work properly. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 09, 2011, 07:04:51 PM
I was scrambling to get a power point slide built.  it was weird (cause there was other stuff going on).  No matter how i tried the computer just would not work properly. 

And when you are on your way to the meeting the streets keep changing, and your legs keep quitting on you.  Out of no where Grammara swoops in to carry you, yes, you are going to make it on time.  Unfortunately after seeing bad grammar on the building signs at your work he drops you and goes on a rampage, destroying the building.  Oh if only you had completed the presentation last week when you were supposed to.....

Oh, wait, it was a dream?  I thought we were doing a script for a Grammara movie.  Never mind.

Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 09, 2011, 11:51:21 PM
I would green light that :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 10, 2011, 04:37:01 AM
I would green light that :)
In the Red Light district even?? :o
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 10, 2011, 02:31:15 PM
(http://bigeyedeer.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/graf.gif?w=500&h=402)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 11, 2011, 08:41:08 AM
(http://bigeyedeer.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/graf.gif?w=500&h=402)

I like it. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on October 11, 2011, 09:28:26 AM
(http://bigeyedeer.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/graf.gif?w=500&h=402)

I like it. 
JewWario, is that you?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 11, 2011, 05:22:29 PM
 
The latest short has been out for hours an no comment about it in this thread?

I think we now know where Grammara lives, it's the island of Grammaria, and the reason they are so crazy about grammar is because he will destroy them all if they don't use perfect grammar.  This of course makes them all quite insane.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 11, 2011, 05:47:43 PM

The latest short has been out for hours an no comment about it in this thread?

I think we now know where Grammara lives, it's the island of Grammaria, and the reason they are so crazy about grammar is because he will destroy them all if they don't use perfect grammar.  This of course makes them all quite insane.

i'm now convinced MK&B read the forums.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on October 11, 2011, 07:07:45 PM
Do they make a Grammara reference??
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 11, 2011, 11:07:09 PM
I have not got that short because I was afraid that it would have a "dedication" to me.  
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: bta on October 14, 2011, 03:58:51 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6219/6244991456_747df0295a_z.jpg)

Yeah, it matters.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: spaceforarent on October 15, 2011, 06:48:46 AM
Is this some kind of ironic doom? Is the wink implied?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 15, 2011, 11:13:09 AM
Yeah, can't help but think of Dr. Evil using air quotes while saying that.  ;D

Also makes me want to watch Super Karate Monkey Death Car again.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on October 19, 2011, 09:45:16 AM
(http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/koma-comic-strip-correction.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on October 19, 2011, 09:57:51 AM
DiCaprio gets PISSED when he's corrected.

Also:

Also makes me want to watch Super Karate Monkey Death Car again.

But Jimmy has fear? A thousand times, no!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on October 19, 2011, 10:33:49 AM
This is as good a thread as any to post this in, but one of my pet peeves is when someone has a child after they already have at least one child and people say that person is "a father again" or "a mother again", depending on the person's gender.  I always wonder did that person stop being a mother or father previously, and now that they have a new child, they get a second chance?  Did their previous children die or something?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on October 19, 2011, 10:50:49 AM
(except as the name of a fatuous asshole)

 :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 19, 2011, 11:25:21 AM
(except as the name of a fatuous asshole)

 :D :D :D :D :D :D

I agree with the above statement and smilieys


Also, tell me more about the origin of the phrase "Shoot your wad"
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Russell on October 19, 2011, 11:35:07 AM
Oh who cares about brad gammer? Who's for more erotic friction?

I kissed Christina Hendricks deeply on her luscious full lips and slid my
hand up her thigh and uncliped her grater-belt...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 19, 2011, 11:38:39 AM
(except as the name of a fatuous asshole)

 :D :D :D :D :D :D

I agree with the above statement and smilieys


Also, tell me more about the origin of the phrase "Shoot your wad"


Man you guys sure do not like Beck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on October 19, 2011, 12:23:17 PM
Ah, but you're only looking at it from the perspective of the parent. Perhaps it's meant from the child's perspective--so he's already a father to one child; he's now a father again, to another child.  So I think it works that way.

A lot of phrases and sayings that enter common usage outlive their original framing, so that they become sort of mysterious.  There's the ever popular "shoot your wad," which has nothing to do with semen, or "beck and call," when 'beck' doesn't exist as a word (except as the name of a fatuous asshole) in standard English anymore, etc.  Perhaps this is one of those.

I'm still not convinced.  The word "again" implies that someone stopped doing something at some before starting a second time.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 19, 2011, 12:29:41 PM
what about stopping being a father to one child, to now being a father to two children/
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 19, 2011, 12:42:52 PM
It really refers to the qualifying moment of father/motherhood. It means the moment in which the sprog makes its way down the canal or, more frequently now than it used to be, through the abdominal wall has occurred once more.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 19, 2011, 12:49:56 PM
 I don't think the word "again" has to imply that the previous action has stopped.  It simply denotes a recurrence of something, traveling to the same place as before, doing the same action as before, etc.. (man it was hard to write that sentence without using the word again in it)

Best example might be "making the same mistake again and again", if you keep making the same mistake then you really haven't "stopped" doing it...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 19, 2011, 01:18:19 PM
Otra Ves?? :o
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on October 19, 2011, 01:23:31 PM
Otra Ves?? :o

Una mas Cerveza por favor.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 19, 2011, 01:24:27 PM
Otra Ves?? :o

Una mas Cerveza por favor.
Perrrrrfecto!! 8)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 19, 2011, 01:37:10 PM
This Yahoo answer covers it pretty well:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090305080706AAN4hTo

Particularly given the thread we are in, I think it's amusing that, as their contribution to answering the question, one person wrote, "To ejaculate semen from the end of your penis."

Sooo... it's possible for it to come out some other part of one's penis?  Or from somewhere else entirely?  Do tell!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 19, 2011, 01:40:17 PM
It depends rather on how well one's prenatal development went..
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on October 19, 2011, 03:27:32 PM
I don't know why, but the "so and so is a mother/father again" just bothers me.  Yet it doesn't bother me if someone says something like "the sun is shining again" even though technically the sun didn't stop shining, the person just didn't see it temporarily.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 19, 2011, 03:29:51 PM
I think perception is what is tripping people up then.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 19, 2011, 04:58:18 PM
I think perception is what is tripping people up then.

I'm not sure I get what - - - whoops! - - -

        ...sorry, had to get back off the floor and on my chair again.  Now you were saying?  Oh, yeah, I'm not sure I see what - - - whoops!

                     ...had to get up again...



[Paraphrasing 'Final Justice' 1st host segment:
[Crow:  "LucasM's tripping!"
[Tom:   "I'll say!"]
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 20, 2011, 02:13:50 PM
Here are some helpful tips for the challenged.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 20, 2011, 02:49:43 PM
That web page is great, very funny stuff.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Russell on October 21, 2011, 07:39:08 AM
I love the Oatmeal.  I like that poster but since it says "A-holes" on it you kinda can't put it into a classroom, which is a shame; it might do some good.
I didn't know you were a high school gym teacher Imrahil. ;D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 12:51:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/NXGOp.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 01:03:12 PM
That's great.

Had to go look this up, I never new "thru" was actually in the dictionary, I always thought it was slang, not some official informal spelling.

But does English really have formal and informal versions?  I know lots of languages have high and low forms that are official but I've never really thought English did.  Or is it just modern dictionaries using "informal" as a way to make slang official?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 01:23:20 PM
formal in american is basically using correct grammar and not cursing. and referring to people as sir or ma'am. WASPs speak formal american on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on October 24, 2011, 01:29:01 PM
formal in american is basically using correct grammar and not cursing. and referring to people as sir or ma'am. WASPs speak formal american on a regular basis.
So, Formal American English = Courtesy.  I haven't seen the term WASP in years, I thought it had died out.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 01:32:42 PM
it's fallen out of use since they've declined in number.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 24, 2011, 02:08:56 PM
formal in american is basically using correct grammar and not cursing. and referring to people as sir or ma'am. WASPs speak formal american on a regular basis.
No, that's not correct. The bulk of what you're describing there is perhaps appropriate communication for a formal setting. However, Formal/Informal are academia derived terms relating to communication politeness doesn't really come into it, at least not directly.

Here's a basic primer (http://einstein.sc.mahidol.ac.th/~scmal/acadwrit_howto/Formal_English.html).

Monty is essential correct, "Informal English" is the Formal English way of saying "slang".
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 02:21:46 PM
most of that seems to be correct grammar use. Extremely correct grammar use.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 24, 2011, 02:23:06 PM
Correct, the English most commonly used, regardless of situation, is Informal English.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on October 24, 2011, 05:09:39 PM
Correct, the English most commonly used, regardless of situation, is Informal English.

That is something up with which I shall not put!   :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 07:17:17 PM
how could they this allow?!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 24, 2011, 07:45:06 PM
how could they this allow?!
Wehn 700 yars U ar. Look az gud U Will Not  :D :D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 24, 2011, 08:12:11 PM
Would not the verb be "put"?

Edit:  Or an implied tolerate or endure?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 24, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
Yes "put up with" is a phrase that acts as a synonym for tolerate or endure. Consequently the phrase should be treated as if it is a single word.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on October 24, 2011, 09:01:50 PM
Weird Al is apparently a stickler for grammar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWiTvYZR_w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWiTvYZR_w)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgTsF1ZCuRc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgTsF1ZCuRc)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 09:13:33 PM
Weird Al is apparently a stickler for grammar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWiTvYZR_w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWiTvYZR_w)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgTsF1ZCuRc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgTsF1ZCuRc)
it's awesome that that's what he does with his time.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 25, 2011, 08:30:34 AM
However I have heard that you can put the preposition at the end of the sentance in most cases.  Even a cursory google reveals a ton of quite reputable sites that back that up. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 25, 2011, 08:42:31 AM
what are all your opinions on double words i.e. that that, had had etc. grammatically correct? i think they are but usual sentence structure should be changed to avoid them.

also here's a grammatical puzzle. put in punctuation so that it makes sense. try not to cheat and google it.

That that is is that that is not is not is that it it is

here's a more difficult one
James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on October 25, 2011, 09:09:33 AM
Has this one be posted yet:

(http://hphotos-iad1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/297665_249147315138281_244753448911001_725015_1567915132_n.jpg)

oh and the answers:
Key
_ = a word.

1) _ _ _, _. _ _ _ _, _ _. _ _ _? _ _

2) _, _ _ _ _ "_ _"; "_ _" _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on October 25, 2011, 09:22:55 AM
Has this one be posted yet:

(http://hphotos-iad1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/297665_249147315138281_244753448911001_725015_1567915132_n.jpg)

oh and the answers:
Key
_ = a word.

1) _ _ _, _. _ _ _ _, _ _. _ _ _? _ _

2) _, _ _ _ _ "_ _"; "_ _" _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _.

saw that on shirt at comic-con.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 25, 2011, 10:59:11 AM
However I have heard that you can put the preposition at the end of the sentance in most cases.  Even a cursory google reveals a ton of quite reputable sites that back that up. 

And I'm pointing out that it isn't really a preposition, it's the verb. Because without that preposition, the verb stops meaning what it does.

I understood you and even agree, I was just pointing out that in general there really is not a large problem with prepositions at the end of sentences. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on October 26, 2011, 10:58:56 AM
To boldly split infinitives that had never been split before!
-- Douglas Adams
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on November 12, 2011, 08:13:57 PM
drew this on my phone
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/k1posterchild/th_ee031e2a.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on November 13, 2011, 07:49:53 AM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on November 13, 2011, 09:03:51 AM
Ah. But the big one shows it's imperfections rather nicely!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 13, 2011, 07:34:30 PM
drew this on my phone
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/k1posterchild/th_ee031e2a.jpg)

Looks like avatar-size.

DIBS.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on November 13, 2011, 07:44:57 PM
You need some sort of grammatical error below the avatar in that sentence just for fun.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on November 13, 2011, 07:46:07 PM
Grammera  friend to children!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 13, 2011, 07:47:29 PM
You need some sort of grammatical error below the avatar in that sentence just for fun.

I'm kind of going back and forth between misspelling "friend" (even though that's not really grammar) and "Grammara are a friend..." but I'm not entirely sure my own sense of "proper grammar kicks ass, man!" would let me keep it for very long.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on November 13, 2011, 08:24:16 PM
I was thinking "too all children" but you could stretch that into being somewhat correct.  Oh well. It's funny either way.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 13, 2011, 08:32:57 PM
You need some sort of grammatical error below the avatar in that sentence just for fun.

I'm kind of going back and forth between misspelling "friend" (even though that's not really grammar) and "Grammara are a friend..." but I'm not entirely sure my own sense of "proper grammar kicks ass, man!" would let me keep it for very long.

You do realize you are now obligated to review and correct all posts, right? This is a very heavy responsibility you have taken on.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 13, 2011, 09:00:12 PM
You do realize you are now obligated to review and correct all posts, right? This is a very heavy responsibility you have taken on.

For pointing out the inherent amazingness of a giant turtle/english teacher hybrid? He's a forum in-joke, not an excuse to flip out at people who confuse lose with loose.

Besides, that's Imharil's job.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 13, 2011, 09:02:34 PM
HA!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: GRAMMARA on November 13, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
You do realize you are now obligated to review and correct all posts, right? This is a very heavy responsibility you have taken on.

For pointing out the inherent amazingness of a giant turtle/eEnglish teacher hybrid? He's a forum in-joke, not an excuse to flip out at people who confuse lose with loose.

Besides, that's Imharil's job.

No, that is my job.

Greetings children. I am Grammara.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 13, 2011, 09:57:16 PM
You do realize you are now obligated to review and correct all posts, right? This is a very heavy responsibility you have taken on.

For pointing out the inherent amazingness of a giant turtle/eEnglish teacher hybrid? He's a forum in-joke, not an excuse to flip out at people who confuse lose with loose.

Besides, that's Imharil's job.

No, that is my job.

Greetings children. I am Grammara.

This is the new best thing ever.

Also, damn! I was going back and forth on the capital versus lowercase in "English." I feel like such a dope now! (I just don't feel like one over "amazingness," oddly enough. I'm not as ashamed about inventing new and stupider words as I am proper capitalization. It's bizarre!)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: GRAMMARA on November 13, 2011, 10:06:19 PM
You do realize you are now obligated to review and correct all posts, right? This is a very heavy responsibility you have taken on.

For pointing out the inherent amazingness of a giant turtle/eEnglish teacher hybrid? He's a forum in-joke, not an excuse to flip out at people who confuse lose with loose.

Besides, that's Imharil's job.

No, that is my job.

Greetings children. I am Grammara.

This is the new best thing ever.

Also, damn! I was going back and forth on the capital versus lowercase in "English." I feel like such a dope now! (I just don't feel like one over "amazingness," oddly enough. I'm not as ashamed about inventing new and stupider words as I am proper capitalization. It's bizarre!)

Grammara is always more than happy to help.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 13, 2011, 10:27:25 PM
Hmmm, seems grammara.com was registered back in June by a guy in the UK, well before this thread started. 

Can only mean one thing, Grammara can see the future!    :scared:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 14, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/FGC65.png)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: stansimpson on December 14, 2011, 01:07:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/FGC65.png)
LOVE.
(I bought an Alot T for my wife for her birthday one year; she got a stain on it so it now looks like it's farting, so it's her Farting Alot tee shirt.)
:clap:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 14, 2011, 01:10:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/FGC65.png)
LOVE.
(I bought an Alot T for my wife for her birthday one year; she got a stain on it so it now looks like it's farting, so it's her Farting Alot tee shirt.)
:clap:

 :D

Nice!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on December 14, 2011, 03:10:11 PM
Saw graffiti today that said "Stop riteing on the wal"   :D I posted it on Facebook.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: stansimpson on December 14, 2011, 03:44:19 PM
From a FB friend of mine. Does anyone else's head hurt looking at this?

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/stansimpson/Picture43.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 14, 2011, 03:48:47 PM
From a FB friend of mine. Does anyone else's head hurt looking at this?

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/stansimpson/Picture43.jpg)

It appears Esperanto is making a comeback.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on December 14, 2011, 03:54:31 PM
Ho, ne Esperanto estas bela, fi neniu uzi øi multa.
 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 14, 2011, 04:46:43 PM
Ho, ne Esperanto estas bela, fi neniu uzi øi multa.
 
Que ???
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on December 14, 2011, 04:51:04 PM
From a FB friend of mine. Does anyone else's head hurt looking at this?

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/stansimpson/Picture43.jpg)

I can't even figure out what they're supposed to be talking about. Something about feet and stamps. What does Gm mean?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on December 14, 2011, 04:51:57 PM
Ho, ne Esperanto estas bela, fi neniu uzi øi multa.
 
Que ???

Ne, ne "Kio ???" ;)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: stansimpson on December 14, 2011, 04:59:34 PM
From a FB friend of mine. Does anyone else's head hurt looking at this?

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/stansimpson/Picture43.jpg)

I can't even figure out what they're supposed to be talking about. Something about feet and stamps. What does Gm mean?

Forget "GM". What does °c mean!? Do you know how long it took me to even find that character? Is it some sort of stamp collecting lingo?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on December 14, 2011, 05:18:04 PM
What does Gm mean?

I'm guessing "Good morning", but I wouldn't have figured that out if it wasn't right next to "A.M.", which is apparently the only abbreviation worthy of punctuation.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 14, 2011, 05:48:22 PM
What does Gm mean?

I'm guessing "Good morning", but I wouldn't have figured that out if it wasn't right next to "A.M.", which is apparently the only abbreviation worthy of punctuation.
Huh.. And I was thinkin Ghetto Mercedes 8)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: stansimpson on December 14, 2011, 06:03:21 PM
What does Gm mean?

I'm guessing "Good morning", but I wouldn't have figured that out if it wasn't right next to "A.M.", which is apparently the only abbreviation worthy of punctuation.
Huh.. And I was thinkin Ghetto Mercedes 8)
And a Ghetto Mercedes to you, RVR.  ;)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on December 14, 2011, 06:13:31 PM
What does Gm mean?
I'm guessing "Good morning", but I wouldn't have figured that out if it wasn't right next to "A.M.", which is apparently the only abbreviation worthy of punctuation.
Huh.. And I was thinkin Ghetto Mercedes 8)
Tio ne fari senco en la frazo.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on December 14, 2011, 06:20:43 PM
What does Gm mean?

I'm guessing "Good morning", but I wouldn't have figured that out if it wasn't right next to "A.M.", which is apparently the only abbreviation worthy of punctuation.
Huh.. And I was thinkin Ghetto Mercedes 8)
And a Ghetto Mercedes to you, RVR.  ;)

I think I just found my new favorite catchphrase.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 14, 2011, 06:58:47 PM
What does Gm mean?

I'm guessing "Good morning", but I wouldn't have figured that out if it wasn't right next to "A.M.", which is apparently the only abbreviation worthy of punctuation.
Huh.. And I was thinkin Ghetto Mercedes 8)
And a Ghetto Mercedes to you, RVR.  ;)

I think I just found my new favorite catchphrase.
:D :D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on December 14, 2011, 07:05:53 PM
From a FB friend of mine. Does anyone else's head hurt looking at this?

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/stansimpson/Picture43.jpg)

I think he was ordering dinner...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on December 15, 2011, 04:44:06 AM
From a FB friend of mine. Does anyone else's head hurt looking at this?

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/stansimpson/Picture43.jpg)
Pardon me, stewardess.  I speak Facebook jive.

Demarcus:  I am on my feet this morning.  Good morning, Facebook Family.
Melanie:  I’m just now going to bed, brother.  Good morning.
Melanie:  By the way, did you see that Mac is trying to sell stamps on Facebook?  I’m incredulous!
Demarcus:  You are so funny, Melanie!
Demarcus:  How are you, T?  Do you still need that?
Veronica:  Good Morning, Sweetheart!
Fred:  Buddy!  How have you been!  I have been awake for a while now.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: anais.jude on December 15, 2011, 06:06:41 AM
From a FB friend of mine. Does anyone else's head hurt looking at this?

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/stansimpson/Picture43.jpg)
Pardon me, stewardess.  I speak Facebook jive.

Demarcus:  I am on my feet this morning.  Good morning, Facebook Family.
Melanie:  I’m just now going to bed, brother.  Good morning.
Melanie:  By the way, did you see that Mac is trying to sell stamps on Facebook?  I’m incredulous!
Demarcus:  You are so funny, Melanie!
Demarcus:  How are you, T?  Do you still need that?
Veronica:  Good Morning, Sweetheart!
Fred:  Buddy!  How have you been!  I have been awake for a while now.


Got me some slack, Jack   :clap:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on December 15, 2011, 06:09:16 AM
From a FB friend of mine. Does anyone else's head hurt looking at this?

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/stansimpson/Picture43.jpg)
Pardon me, stewardess.  I speak Facebook jive.

Demarcus:  I am on my feet this morning.  Good morning, Facebook Family.
Melanie:  I’m just now going to bed, brother.  Good morning.
Melanie:  By the way, did you see that Mac is trying to sell stamps on Facebook?  I’m incredulous!
Demarcus:  You are so funny, Melanie!
Demarcus:  How are you, T?  Do you still need that?
Veronica:  Good Morning, Sweetheart!
Fred:  Buddy!  How have you been!  I have been awake for a while now.


Thank you!  :clap:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MSTJedi on December 15, 2011, 06:31:39 AM
From a FB friend of mine. Does anyone else's head hurt looking at this?

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/stansimpson/Picture43.jpg)
Pardon me, stewardess.  I speak Facebook jive.

Demarcus:  I am on my feet this morning.  Good morning, Facebook Family.
Melanie:  I’m just now going to bed, brother.  Good morning.
Melanie:  By the way, did you see that Mac is trying to sell stamps on Facebook?  I’m incredulous!
Demarcus:  You are so funny, Melanie!
Demarcus:  How are you, T?  Do you still need that?
Veronica:  Good Morning, Sweetheart!
Fred:  Buddy!  How have you been!  I have been awake for a while now.


Good job. I'm usually pretty good at understanding slang, but coupled with the text speak, my mind went on tilt.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on December 15, 2011, 06:55:58 AM

Got me some slack, Jack   :clap:
"Cut me some slack"
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on December 15, 2011, 06:59:10 AM

Got me some slack, Jack   :clap:
"Cut me some slack"
Col' got to be! Yo!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on December 15, 2011, 07:06:10 AM

Got me some slack, Jack   :clap:
"Cut me some slack"
Col' got to be! Yo!
Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em... leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: daltysmilth on December 15, 2011, 08:00:50 AM

Got me some slack, Jack   :clap:
"Cut me some slack"
Col' got to be! Yo!
Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em... leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em!


Check it, bleed.  Bro was ON!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 15, 2011, 08:06:26 AM
 8)
http://www.youtube.com/v/EndozxolXKE
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on December 15, 2011, 08:12:48 AM
8)
http://www.youtube.com/v/EndozxolXKE
eh didnt teach me nuthin i didn't know already. the benefits of a diverse family.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on December 15, 2011, 08:46:09 AM
You might want to give it a rest, RVR.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on December 15, 2011, 08:50:03 AM
Linguists actually refer to that dialect as "Inner-city English" or ICE, because it's far less about race than it is about socio-economic levels.  I.e., more than just "ebony" people speak it, so "ebonics" is kind of a bullshit term.
Correct.

It's also why people of low means who live in a semi rural to rural area have similar sounding speech patterns regardless of where they live in the Continental US
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on December 15, 2011, 12:08:52 PM
Linguists actually refer to that dialect as "Inner-city English" or ICE, because it's far less about race than it is about socio-economic levels.  I.e., more than just "ebony" people speak it, so "ebonics" is kind of a bullshit term.
Correct.

It's also why people of low means who live in a semi rural to rural area have similar sounding speech patterns regardless of where they live in the Continental US

And, wow... who'd'a thunk [  ;) ] from that that we would all get pulled back to a major point made earlier in the thread: that poor language use implies that the person using it has had a history of limited cerebral exercise, leading to less varied cognitive functioning (i.e. 'therefore their comments are not necessarily as insightful as others' comments are likely to be').
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on December 15, 2011, 12:13:56 PM
Related to both Phenomina:

(http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob/comp4.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 15, 2011, 12:26:16 PM
Now if I would've posted that, I might be crucified :scared: :speechless:!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 15, 2011, 02:34:39 PM
What does Gm mean?

I'm guessing "Good morning", but I wouldn't have figured that out if it wasn't right next to "A.M.", which is apparently the only abbreviation worthy of punctuation.
Huh.. And I was thinkin Ghetto Mercedes 8)
And a Ghetto Mercedes to you, RVR.  ;)

I think I just found my new favorite catchphrase.
:D :D
Apparentlt K1 thinks so as well..

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K1
Ghetto Mercedes everybody!

    *
    *
  .
    *
    *
          o
            Wurwolf And a ghetto mercedes it is indeed, MzDangeresque!
            8 hours ago ·
          o
            DG Ghetto Mercedes! Let's all tryna sell stamps.!
            8 hours ago ·
          o
            JN u is a whole fool!!
            7 hours ago ·
          o
            K1 is up on my fEEt in da A.M.
            7 hours ago ·
          o
            RVR II Dis grill B needz brushin!
            6 hours ago ·
          o
            JP Ghetto Mercedes to you. How have you been! I have been awake for a while now. Do you still need that?
            4 hours ago ·
          o
            BTA I b L8 2 da party but I down wit it
            59 minutes ago ·
          o
            DG Is this the fastest anything has ever become a forum meme?
            17 minutes ago ·
          o
            K1 cuzz wat it do ginga i been up
            16 minutes ago ·
          o
            AK I am too smart to play this game :(
            13 minutes ago ·
          o
            RVR II Git wit da Pro Gram yo!
            6 minutes ago ·
   
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on December 15, 2011, 02:36:25 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on December 15, 2011, 03:42:26 PM
Quote
DG Is this the fastest anything has ever become a forum meme?   

Since I didn't get an answer on Facebook, I'll ask again here, FOR SCIENCE. Is this the fastest anything from the forum has become a bona-fide spreading-to-Facebook meme?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 15, 2011, 03:47:46 PM
Quote
DG Is this the fastest anything has ever become a forum meme?   

Since I didn't get an answer on Facebook, I'll ask again here, FOR SCIENCE. Is this the fastest anything from the forum has become a bona-fide spreading-to-Facebook meme?
dunno but if so, I'll take a bow 8)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on December 15, 2011, 06:59:28 PM
Maybe? I don't know, really, although I did call Nun a whole fool on Facebook just last night.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: stansimpson on December 15, 2011, 10:27:57 PM
Quote
DG Is this the fastest anything has ever become a forum meme?   

Since I didn't get an answer on Facebook, I'll ask again here, FOR SCIENCE. Is this the fastest anything from the forum has become a bona-fide spreading-to-Facebook meme?
dunno but if so, I'll take a bow 8)
If so, I'll take a bow as well.

Clarification: JP = SS ;)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on December 15, 2011, 10:39:52 PM
Quote
DG Is this the fastest anything has ever become a forum meme?   

Since I didn't get an answer on Facebook, I'll ask again here, FOR SCIENCE. Is this the fastest anything from the forum has become a bona-fide spreading-to-Facebook meme?
dunno but if so, I'll take a bow 8)
If so, I'll take a bow as well.

Clarification: JP = SS ;)
* kicks em both in the crotch while bowing, runs away*
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 15, 2011, 10:42:51 PM
Quote
DG Is this the fastest anything has ever become a forum meme?   

Since I didn't get an answer on Facebook, I'll ask again here, FOR SCIENCE. Is this the fastest anything from the forum has become a bona-fide spreading-to-Facebook meme?
dunno but if so, I'll take a bow 8)
If so, I'll take a bow as well.

Clarification: JP = SS ;)
* kicks em both in the crotch while bowing, runs away*

*runs up and farts in both of their faces before they even know what's happening*
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 16, 2011, 05:53:32 AM
Quote
DG Is this the fastest anything has ever become a forum meme?   

Since I didn't get an answer on Facebook, I'll ask again here, FOR SCIENCE. Is this the fastest anything from the forum has become a bona-fide spreading-to-Facebook meme?
dunno but if so, I'll take a bow 8)
If so, I'll take a bow as well.

Clarification: JP = SS ;)
* kicks em both in the crotch while bowing, runs away*

*runs up and farts in both of their faces before they even know what's happening*
:gouge: :gouge:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on December 21, 2011, 12:32:29 PM
I just got this in my tumblr feed, from a blog called Dumb Deviant Art (http://dumbdeviantart.tumblr.com/post/14576387955).

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwkktvL2ey1qkez8po1_500.jpg)

Too many people think this way for my liking.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 21, 2011, 12:36:41 PM
I just got this in my tumblr feed, from a blog called Dumb Deviant Art (http://dumbdeviantart.tumblr.com/post/14576387955).

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwkktvL2ey1qkez8po1_500.jpg)

Too many people think this way for my liking.

I feel the same thing regarding farting in crowded public places.  I don't smell bad, it's just my own version of perfume.

I feel the same thing regarding driving on the shoulder.  I don't drive bad, it's just my own version of traffic.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on December 21, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
I mean you could really apply that way of thinking to so many things.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 21, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
I mean you could really apply that way of thinking to so many things.
Sex, Drugs, Rock & Roll.. :o
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on December 21, 2011, 01:17:55 PM
I mean you could really apply that way of thinking to so many things.
Sex, Drugs, Rock & Roll.. :o
Politics, religion...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 21, 2011, 01:19:21 PM
I mean you could really apply that way of thinking to so many things.
Sex, Drugs, Rock & Roll.. :o
Politics, religion...
unlocked threads ;D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 21, 2011, 01:25:06 PM
I mean you could really apply that way of thinking to so many things.
Sex, Drugs, Rock & Roll.. :o
Politics, religion...
unlocked threads ;D

What? This makes no sense. Please explain.
Quote
I mean you could really apply that way of thinking to so many things.
if those threads were unlocked, but I could care less honestly..
Just another random post by yours truly ;D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 21, 2011, 01:26:44 PM
I mean you could really apply that way of thinking to so many things.
Sex, Drugs, Rock & Roll.. :o
Politics, religion...
unlocked threads ;D

What? This makes no sense. Please explain.
Quote
I mean you could really apply that way of thinking to so many things.
if those threads were unlocked, but I could care less honestly..
Just another random post by yours truly ;D

How much less could you...never mind.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 21, 2011, 01:28:47 PM
Nothing to care about here, move along 8)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on December 21, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
Almost had to send Grammara after Kevin Murphy yesterday after an error on Twitter.  :D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 25, 2011, 12:16:52 PM
Oh my god. Please tell me this was you, Im.

(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/386372_263526693709168_158810777514094_662168_955360874_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on December 25, 2011, 12:24:30 PM
Oh my god. Please tell me this was you, Im.

(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/386372_263526693709168_158810777514094_662168_955360874_n.jpg)

I want to like that a million times.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 25, 2011, 12:30:33 PM
Oh my god. Please tell me this was you, Im.

(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/386372_263526693709168_158810777514094_662168_955360874_n.jpg)

I want to like that a million times.

Totally.

I know that's not his profile pic or his name, so it's not Im. But I'm gonna go ahead and imagine it's him anyway!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on December 27, 2011, 09:14:55 PM
How are we, with all of our meme-happy members, not talking about this (http://penny-arcade.com/resources/just-wow1.html) yet?

Short version: This morning, Gabe at Penny Arcade posted that correspondence that a fan forwarded to him, between said fan and the customer service firm for some game controller company. In less than a day, the correspondence has gone quite viral.

Sure, the customer service guy was incredibly rude, but the real joy comes from the combination of his smugness and his failure to command the English language, giving us such gems as this:

Quote
Son Im 38 I wwebsite as on the internet when you were a sperm in your daddys balls and before it was the internet, thanks for the welcome to message wurd up.  Grow up you look like a complete child bro.

In the less than twenty-four hours since the emails were posted, this page (http://wwebsiteasontheinternet.com/), this comedy sketch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqV9kx40RG0), and several meme images have spread like wildfire. Even Geico (https://twitter.com/#!/GEICO/statuses/151720116357308416) referenced the whole debacle!

And THAT'S why you don't boast about wwebsiting as on the internet.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on December 27, 2011, 10:14:25 PM
How are we, with all of our meme-happy members, not talking about this (http://penny-arcade.com/resources/just-wow1.html) yet?

Short version: This morning, Gabe at Penny Arcade posted that correspondence that a fan forwarded to him, between said fan and the customer service firm for some game controller company. In less than a day, the correspondence has gone quite viral.

Sure, the customer service guy was incredibly rude, but the real joy comes from the combination of his smugness and his failure to command the English language, giving us such gems as this:

Quote
Son Im 38 I wwebsite as on the internet when you were a sperm in your daddys balls and before it was the internet, thanks for the welcome to message wurd up.  Grow up you look like a complete child bro.

In the less than twenty-four hours since the emails were posted, this page (http://wwebsiteasontheinternet.com/), this comedy sketch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqV9kx40RG0), and several meme images have spread like wildfire. Even Geico (https://twitter.com/#!/GEICO/statuses/151720116357308416) referenced the whole debacle!

And THAT'S why you don't boast about wwebsiting as on the internet.

Jeez... he's all "Meme, Myself & I" in there!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on December 29, 2011, 02:48:32 PM
SHAMELESS PLUG: My brother and I couldn't resist cashing in on having fun with the whole debacle (http://doggans.com/blog/2011/12/29/how-to-wwebsite-as-on-the-internet/).
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on December 29, 2011, 04:08:42 PM
Does anyone know what kind of weird autocorrect issue could turn "I wwas on the internet" (fat finger, hitting w twice) to "I wwebsite as on the internet"?

It's kind of obvious what he meant to say, but I'm not sure how it ended up that way.  Still, proofread, proofread, proofread.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: bta on December 29, 2011, 04:23:49 PM
I got some spam that said this:

"the spell caster i met templeofancientancestors@gmail.com did a spell to help me lose weight and ive already dropped 10 pounds within a couple of weeks... its amazing! i also did one to help my friend and I become best friends again and as of last night we are! templeofancientancestors@gmail.com, the spell caster is amazing. here is his email address to meet him, templeofancientancestors@gmail.com"

What a joy!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Scribblesense on December 29, 2011, 05:54:31 PM
10 pounds in a couple of weeks? That spell caster sounds like a real magician!
(I'm so sorry)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Dim of the Yard on December 30, 2011, 03:33:53 PM
Does anyone know what kind of weird autocorrect issue could turn "I wwas on the internet" (fat finger, hitting w twice) to "I wwebsite as on the internet"?

It's kind of obvious what he meant to say, but I'm not sure how it ended up that way.  Still, proofread, proofread, proofread.

My best guess is that he tried to highlight something for deletion and didn't realize he had just moved his cursor, so his attempts to delete something and replace it with 'website' ended with that glorious meme. What he meant by the replacement attempt, and how he didn't catch such a ridiculous typo, is beyond me, so this theory isn't a perfect one.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on December 30, 2011, 03:50:14 PM
Does anyone know what kind of weird autocorrect issue could turn "I wwas on the internet" (fat finger, hitting w twice) to "I wwebsite as on the internet"?

It's kind of obvious what he meant to say, but I'm not sure how it ended up that way.  Still, proofread, proofread, proofread.

My best guess is that he tried to highlight something for deletion and didn't realize he had just moved his cursor, so his attempts to delete something and replace it with 'website' ended with that glorious meme. What he meant by the replacement attempt, and how he didn't catch such a ridiculous typo, is beyond me, so this theory isn't a perfect one.
because in an argument, you have
 to reply as quickly as possible to one up the other person.




























































Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on December 30, 2011, 04:31:31 PM
Well, I'm not completely anti-meme (I've used the "then I took an arrow in the knee" meme a few times in various places), but this one is just, "meh" to me.  :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: turbospaz3000 on December 30, 2011, 04:34:26 PM
Does anyone know what kind of weird autocorrect issue could turn "I wwas on the internet" (fat finger, hitting w twice) to "I wwebsite as on the internet"?

It's kind of obvious what he meant to say, but I'm not sure how it ended up that way.  Still, proofread, proofread, proofread.

My best guess is that he tried to highlight something for deletion and didn't realize he had just moved his cursor, so his attempts to delete something and replace it with 'website' ended with that glorious meme. What he meant by the replacement attempt, and how he didn't catch such a ridiculous typo, is beyond me, so this theory isn't a perfect one.
because in an argument, you have
 to reply as quickly as possible to one up the other person.






























































needs more white space.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on December 30, 2011, 04:40:30 PM
Does anyone know what kind of weird autocorrect issue could turn "I wwas on the internet" (fat finger, hitting w twice) to "I wwebsite as on the internet"?

It's kind of obvious what he meant to say, but I'm not sure how it ended up that way.  Still, proofread, proofread, proofread.

My best guess is that he tried to highlight something for deletion and didn't realize he had just moved his cursor, so his attempts to delete something and replace it with 'website' ended with that glorious meme. What he meant by the replacement attempt, and how he didn't catch such a ridiculous typo, is beyond me, so this theory isn't a perfect one.
because in an argument, you have
 to reply as quickly as possible to one up the other person.






























































needs more white space.
Actually blue space :P
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on December 30, 2011, 04:43:38 PM
Well, I'm not completely anti-meme (I've used the "then I took an arrow in the knee" meme a few times in various places), but this one is just, "meh" to me.  :)
i have to agree. it was an interesting and funny story, but i dont see it as a meme
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 05, 2012, 01:12:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7M4Xz.jpg)

That's ALOT of snow!!!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on January 05, 2012, 01:21:03 PM
That looks like a cross between Jaba the Hut and a chameleon ???
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on January 05, 2012, 04:32:32 PM
I like that Alot.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: bta on January 05, 2012, 06:37:51 PM
I like that Alot.

Not possible!  You can not!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on January 05, 2012, 09:34:54 PM
Do you realize the street value?! :o
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: shodan on January 06, 2012, 10:41:58 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/b1Dvz.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on January 07, 2012, 01:40:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/b1Dvz.jpg)

I NOT DID!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on January 07, 2012, 08:11:59 AM
I NOT DID!
Oh doggie hai.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 07, 2012, 09:11:12 AM
You fuck.

Did anyone naturally flip those 2 words when reading it?   I didn't, I had to think about the context for a second.  As is it could be an insult or a statement or a command.....   :D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 07, 2012, 03:23:00 PM
You fuck.

Did anyone naturally flip those 2 words when reading it?   I didn't, I had to think about the context for a second.  As is it could be an insult or a statement or a command.....   :D

Exactly!

I think the bold white on black text and in that first example also helps trick your mind into changing the order of the words, if I scroll to it quickly I actually see "You read this wrong" for a fraction of a second.  Even a day later knowing it's a trick it still happens, wild...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: gbeenie on February 01, 2012, 08:18:16 PM
At last! Grammara now has a Facebook page:

Check it out. (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Grammara/321460354562444)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Pak-Man on February 01, 2012, 10:01:37 PM
Grammara is a Facebook Friend to all the English Majors!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: GRAMMARA on February 02, 2012, 06:31:48 PM
It looks like some of you have already found Grammara's new Facebook page. Grammara is very excited about this new social networking opportunity and is looking forward to meeting all of you on the World-Wide Web.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on February 02, 2012, 07:19:17 PM
It looks like some of you have already found Grammara's new Facebook page. Grammara is very excited about this new social networking opportunity and is looking forward to meeting all of you on the World-Wide Web.
OH REALLY?! :speechless:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: bta on February 03, 2012, 05:28:46 AM
It looks like some of you have already found Grammara's new Facebook page. Grammara is very excited about this new social networking opportunity and is looking forward to meeting all of you on the World-Wide Web.
OH REALLY?! :speechless:

You have a lot to be scared about.  There's a new sheriff in town.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on February 03, 2012, 05:55:14 AM
It looks like some of you have already found Grammara's new Facebook page. Grammara is very excited about this new social networking opportunity and is looking forward to meeting all of you on the World-Wide Web.
OH REALLY?! :speechless:

You have a lot to be scared about.  There's a new sheriff in town.
joyyy :-[
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: GRAMMARA on February 03, 2012, 08:35:45 PM
Greetings. Grammara wanted to stop by and show you all the wonderful picture that Matthew Nelson made. Grammara is very flattered.

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/419610_322276104480869_321460354562444_901368_1011073630_n.jpg)


Thank you so much, Matthew. You have made Grammara very proud.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on March 15, 2012, 08:41:51 PM
(http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/funny-facebook-fails-the-sad-life-of-a-grammar-nazi.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Mrs. Dick Courier on April 04, 2012, 02:55:47 PM
I was wondering...

I never see the friend to all Grammar show up unless theres a mistake in grammar, does he ever show up for anything else?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on April 04, 2012, 05:17:14 PM
I was wondering...

I never see the friend to all Grammar show up unless theres a mistake in grammar, does he ever show up for anything else?

Grammara did show up here (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=2561.msg703939#msg703939). Don't know if they ever hooked up.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on May 13, 2012, 12:38:12 PM
This just showed up on my Facebook feed.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/579299_441097302584354_100000522630634_1562490_350029280_n.jpg)

If you're going to go through the trouble of making something like that and posting it, WHY wouldn't you check your spelling/grammar/punctuation??
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on May 13, 2012, 12:53:13 PM
This just showed up on my Facebook feed.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/579299_441097302584354_100000522630634_1562490_350029280_n.jpg)

If you're going to go through the trouble of making something like that and posting it, WHY wouldn't you check your spelling/grammar/punctuation??

Moms is in thats the heavens' and stuff.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on May 13, 2012, 01:02:48 PM
I'm dying to know what, belonging to mom, was called to heaven!

Turns out it was her secret recipe for Apple Brown Betty. God got wind of how delicious it was, and he simply had to have it.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on May 13, 2012, 04:17:17 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/579299_441097302584354_100000522630634_1562490_350029280_n.jpg)

I'm dying to know what, belonging to mom, was called to heaven!

Clearly its all her candles that gave their lives for this e-card.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Gandalf Lundgren on May 13, 2012, 04:56:03 PM
I do feel grammar is important to a point. I admit my grammar is not perfect, but I really hate stuff like: dud i saw u wit yur grl.  :angry:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on May 13, 2012, 05:00:26 PM
This just showed up on my Facebook feed.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/579299_441097302584354_100000522630634_1562490_350029280_n.jpg)

If you're going to go through the trouble of making something like that and posting it, WHY wouldn't you check your spelling/grammar/punctuation??
Yeah, despite the requisite number of candles, that resurrection ritual is never going to work if their invocations are as poorly written as the sign.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Riffman for Hire on May 13, 2012, 05:15:12 PM
I always make proper use to grammar sure.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on May 28, 2012, 11:26:16 PM
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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on May 29, 2012, 12:57:23 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/CwjQW.gif)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on May 29, 2012, 05:39:24 AM
Available today (Tues 5/29/2012) only.  $12, includes shipping.
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And yet the part of that that irritates me the most is the two lines being too close to each other.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on May 29, 2012, 05:50:50 AM
yeah, improper leading bothers me as much as improper kerning.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on May 31, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3ojgb1nPM1qzhokmo1_500.png)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on June 01, 2012, 07:05:38 AM
I will stop reading pretty much anything if the writer doesn't know the correct usage of "then" and "than".  It drives me crazy.  Go straight to elementary school, do not pass go.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on June 01, 2012, 07:11:28 AM
I will stop reading pretty much anything if the writer doesn't know the correct usage of "then" and "than".  It drives me crazy.  Go straight to elementary school, do not pass go.
Yeah I totally agree! 'Then ' and 'Than' are pretty self explanatory IMO ::)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on June 01, 2012, 07:20:01 AM
I will stop reading pretty much anything if the writer doesn't know the correct usage of "then" and "than".  It drives me crazy.  Go straight to elementary school, do not pass go.
Yeah I totally agree! 'Then ' and 'Than' are pretty self explanatory IMO ::)

Closing down the internet for the day. I don't think I'll see anything else that will top this for pure hilarity.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on June 01, 2012, 08:45:37 AM
I will stop reading pretty much anything if the writer doesn't know the correct usage of "then" and "than".  It drives me crazy.  Go straight to elementary school, do not pass go.
Yeah I totally agree! 'Then ' and 'Than' are pretty self explanatory IMO ::)
Maybe they don't teach that stuff in elementary school any more.  Did when I was a kid.  It could also be that I've read a few books and know the proper usage from having seen it in practical use.

Anyway, it's my peave.  YMMV.


Edit:  Your Mileage May Vary
Now, I'll just slowly back away.  No sudden moves...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 01, 2012, 09:01:05 AM
I will stop reading pretty much anything if the writer doesn't know the correct usage of "then" and "than".  It drives me crazy.  Go straight to elementary school, do not pass go.
Yeah I totally agree! 'Then ' and 'Than' are pretty self explanatory IMO ::)
Maybe they don't teach that stuff in elementary school any more.  Did when I was a kid.  It could also be that I've read a few books and know the proper usage from having seen it in practical use.

Anyway, it's my peave.  YMMV.

Since we are venting about peeves.  TYPE THE FUCKING WORDS!

The "movies you have to see" thread has gotten to me a few times, if it's the first time you are talking about something don't use an acronym.  Once you have typed the words out once at the start then it's proper to use an acronym.  Or if you are quoting someone that has just typed out the whole title.  And if it's a TWO word title don't be lazy, type it out each time.

Rant over, move along, no more to see here.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on June 01, 2012, 09:06:05 AM
I will stop reading pretty much anything if the writer doesn't know the correct usage of "then" and "than".  It drives me crazy.  Go straight to elementary school, do not pass go.
Yeah I totally agree! 'Then ' and 'Than' are pretty self explanatory IMO ::)
Maybe they don't teach that stuff in elementary school any more.  Did when I was a kid.  It could also be that I've read a few books and know the proper usage from having seen it in practical use.

Anyway, it's my peave.  YMMV.

Since we are venting about peeves.  TYPE THE FUCKING WORDS!

The "movies you have to see" thread has gotten to me a few times, if it's the first time you are talking about something don't use an acronym.  Once you have typed the words out once at the start then it's proper to use an acronym.  Or if you are quoting someone that has just typed out the whole title.  And if it's a TWO word title don't be lazy, type it out each time.

Rant over, move along, no more to see here.
OMG! LMAO! TTFW FFS!  :P
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Danecho1967 on June 01, 2012, 09:06:45 AM
Sorry about that.  It's actually a legitimate complaint.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 01, 2012, 09:20:37 AM
Sorry about that.  It's actually a legitimate complaint.

I wasn't ranting about the well know acronyms, seeing the one you typed just reminded me of the times I've seen two letters used and did not have any idea what the person was talking about.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on June 01, 2012, 06:11:27 PM
I just saw a facebook comment that said "neva hurd ov it".

I quit.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on June 08, 2012, 01:07:14 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/DCEVe.png)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on June 08, 2012, 05:24:47 AM
A man after my own heart.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Riffman for Hire on June 08, 2012, 05:18:47 PM
I was watching Paycheck the other day to do riffs and I noticed this error in a scene with a newspaper clipping.  "Nexim announces it's answer to ARC's living display."  Its, dummies, not it's.  Geez, you'd think in a multimillion dollar movie somebody would've caught that mistake.  I guess not.  Anyway, at least I got another riff out of it.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 08, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
I was watching Paycheck the other day to do riffs and I noticed this error in a scene with a newspaper clipping.  "Nexim announces it's answer to ARC's living display."  Its, dummies, not it's.  Geez, you'd think in a multimillion dollar movie somebody would've caught that mistake.  I guess not.  Anyway, at least I got another riff out of it.

Ahhh, the good old non-apostrophe possessive needed in the same sentence as an apostrophe one, get 'em every time.  ;D
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on June 12, 2012, 07:01:31 PM
Commas; quite important:
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/578177_10150906115773551_1794136592_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on June 12, 2012, 07:05:35 PM
Dear gods I hate this keyboard; do flush keys mean they don't recognise double strokes or something?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: bta on June 13, 2012, 10:04:01 AM
You're such an idiot Tripe!  How could you make that mistake?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on June 13, 2012, 10:27:42 AM
Not specifically 'grammar' related, but can be thought of as such if one wishes.
Available until no longer selling well.  Today $12 / tomorrow-on, $15, both include shipping.
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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on August 06, 2012, 09:43:36 AM
This showed up on my Facebook feed and is making me so nuts that I have to hide it. I mean, why would you put something together and not even do a spell check. So stupid.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/430192_10150936146552820_340932895_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 06, 2012, 03:31:53 PM
http://www.xkcd.com/1090/
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on August 23, 2012, 06:57:18 AM
So, so true.

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/320284_473156719369990_1153381828_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on September 13, 2012, 08:54:22 AM
Know the difference!
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/303199_4224410902026_1747089376_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Pak-Man on September 13, 2012, 10:42:15 AM
It's nice to know that even after text speak completely degrades the english language, grammar expertise will still come down to the people who know which form of "you're/your" to use. :^)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on September 13, 2012, 10:44:51 AM
they're there, their buttons.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on September 15, 2012, 08:02:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Ntklr.png)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Bob on September 15, 2012, 08:44:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Ntklr.png)

Of course, that could be a correct statement.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on September 16, 2012, 01:44:34 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/9/4/09DBzC4rMEiEeFaYIg1Vbw2.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MSTJedi on September 16, 2012, 05:50:08 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/9/4/09DBzC4rMEiEeFaYIg1Vbw2.jpg)



(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQMMeko_0F_H2bvGUxAlozLFX3WeZdRt7d3c-oYA7bjYu-1yuKN0_yVvCrf)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: mrbasehart on September 16, 2012, 05:59:48 PM
they're there, their buttons.

If only one of those buttons was a shift or a caps lock.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on September 16, 2012, 06:02:51 PM
they're there, their buttons.

If only one of those buttons was a shift or a caps lock.

i know, right? it'd be so helpful.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on September 16, 2012, 06:36:22 PM
I like "LOUD MOUTH WOMEN" and "HIGH FULLUTENT" the best. 

"RACIST'S" makes my irony meter overheat.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on September 16, 2012, 09:02:54 PM
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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on September 17, 2012, 05:20:26 AM
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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on September 18, 2012, 10:51:19 AM
Quote
Vandal Makes Spelling Mistake Spray Painting Car


YORK, Pa. (AP) -- Police are searching for a spelling-challenged vandal who hit a central Pennsylvania woman's car with paint over the weekend.

York police say a woman reported Saturday morning that her sport-utility vehicle had been sprayed with white paint. On the driver's side doors an unknown perpetrator had scrawled "bicth."

Investigators say the woman also reported a motorcycle was stolen from her property. It was later recovered in Spring Garden Township.

The York Dispatch ( http://bit.ly/PJGqEe) reports police are seeking information on the motorcycle and the poorly spelled graffiti.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on September 18, 2012, 11:44:34 AM
No one ever said we were the smartest folks in the world in south central PA.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on September 18, 2012, 04:18:35 PM
plz halp. what is the proper capitalization for the title sentence "Number of Lists On Which an Entry Appears"?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on September 18, 2012, 04:20:32 PM
"Number of lists on which an entry appears"
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on September 18, 2012, 05:55:05 PM
But he said it was a TITLE sentence (i.e. like a book or film title).

I'm not an expert at this, but I THINK goflyblind got it right (with 'of' and 'an' lowercase).
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on September 18, 2012, 06:01:49 PM
Yes but I don;t think he means the given phrase is a title itslef more like

Quote
#50
The Beiderbecke Tapes
Number of list on which the entry appears: 3/14
Highest position: 23

That sort of thing.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on September 18, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
yeah, it's a plot title, not in the middle of a post. though, only the first word capitalized is the convention for paper titles.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on September 18, 2012, 06:22:29 PM
yeah, it's a plot title, not in the middle of a post. though, only the first word capitalized is the convention for paper titles.

So, you mean like for either a row or column in a grid?  (Or that sort of thing.)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on September 18, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
Yeah, do you want to show a bit more context for its use?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on September 18, 2012, 06:26:18 PM
something like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/2tznz.png)

(line is not how it appears in the actual plot so as to keep the surprise until friday)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on September 18, 2012, 06:28:50 PM
Oh, then yes, the capitalization should be as Lucas described.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on September 19, 2012, 09:14:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YvTa8.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RoninFox on September 19, 2012, 10:04:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YvTa8.jpg)

Well...

showed.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on September 20, 2012, 08:34:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/YvTa8.jpg)
Well, presumably it's for the current school children, and the writer here is from the previous generation.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on September 20, 2012, 09:28:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/YvTa8.jpg)
Give 'em a break!  Mississippi has a lot of letters.  They didn't have space, so they had to economize.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on September 20, 2012, 09:53:51 AM
I just call it Mipsi state and be done with it 8)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 31, 2012, 06:51:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/qhBWX.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on November 02, 2012, 05:30:04 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/28/HJ2fBE0XokOplEYuU7jahg2.png)

Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on November 02, 2012, 06:07:10 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/28/HJ2fBE0XokOplEYuU7jahg2.png)

The sad thing is that "I" is probably still scratching their tiny pin-shaped head.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on November 02, 2012, 06:13:51 PM
doesn't it say "your cool wink"? ???
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on December 24, 2012, 10:10:46 AM
Why is it acceptable to use the phrase "not unlike" to mean "like"?  Isn't that a double negative?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on December 24, 2012, 10:11:10 AM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6854082560/hF5C6291B/)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: gbeenie on January 19, 2013, 10:16:06 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6854082560/hF5C6291B/)

Back on my Android phone, autocorrect tried to change "I've" to "I'be." I can't even begin to figure that one out.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on February 15, 2013, 06:26:18 AM
Oh wow. The -only- thing that gets me about it is the "cosa nostra" (Mafia) with the obviously Soviet imagery. 

Because images have a grammar too.

I agree. Great design, though.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on February 23, 2013, 10:34:38 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iCCJ2zvexQxKC.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on April 09, 2013, 02:36:37 AM
(http://i.minus.com/ibsMpESsBjgMXZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: wurwolf on April 09, 2013, 07:04:30 AM
I don't get it.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Bob on April 09, 2013, 07:06:53 AM
Yes ewe do.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Pak-Man on April 09, 2013, 10:54:57 AM
Hmm. Explode or correct a your/you're error. I wish I could say it would be an easy choice. That I'd even have to think about it at all is scary. I mean, ultimately, I guess I'd choose "Not explode," but there would be deliberation..
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on April 09, 2013, 11:10:25 AM
Hmm. Explode or correct a your/you're error. I wish I could say it would be an easy choice. That I'd even have to think about it at all is scary. I mean, ultimately, I guess I'd choose "Not explode," but there would be deliberation..

Your right... that would be a tough decision!  But as you're conclusion stated, I suspect "not exploding" would be my choice as well. :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on April 09, 2013, 01:04:53 PM
oh, that would be yore choice?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on April 09, 2013, 03:17:08 PM
I suddenly feel like watching You're: Hunter from the Future.

You'res world, his the man!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on April 09, 2013, 06:45:07 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5108442624/h2BE7E35A/)

what is my hungry doing in the fridge with that no good food fellow? ???
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: bta on April 12, 2013, 05:36:30 AM
My Hungry and I just go out for dinner and dancing when this happens.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on April 22, 2013, 09:39:40 AM
Commas: Important.

(http://i.imgur.com/e96jvLS.jpg)
I am really surprised that doesn't have trucknuts.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on April 22, 2013, 10:26:05 AM
Commas: Important.

(http://i.imgur.com/e96jvLS.jpg)

i dunno, look at that sticker in the back window. looks rather cougar-ish to me.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 22, 2013, 11:15:25 AM
Isn't there a missing apostrophe, in this context shouldn't it be let's?

As in "come on let us ride boys", which sounds even worse non-abbreviated.  :o

Really should be "C'mon boys, let's ride!".  That could fit better up higher on the tailgate, with the ram logo a natural spacer replacing the comma.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on April 22, 2013, 11:58:08 AM
you obviously put more thought into it than they did.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: bta on April 24, 2013, 02:33:54 AM
Why do you need to tell your "boys" to ride anyway?  It makes more sense as a gay slogan.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on April 24, 2013, 04:00:17 PM
Especially with a big horn in evidence.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on May 01, 2013, 06:08:17 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5539004160/h3B417186/)

i... uh... what?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on May 01, 2013, 06:31:39 PM
I'm fairly sure the picture is from James Gurney's Dinotopia.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on May 01, 2013, 06:33:48 PM
That's exactly what that is. I absolutely love those images.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on May 01, 2013, 06:41:03 PM
Have you seen the miniseries?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on May 01, 2013, 06:42:10 PM
No, was it any good?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 01, 2013, 06:55:29 PM
I thought it was OK, not great but not bad.  Interesting story/plot. 

I still have to read some of the Gurney books, I've only read the 2 by Alan Dean Foster and watched the series.  One of the ADF books I like a lot, it has some very cool T-Rex interactions in it.

FYI: The mini-series is on Netflix.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on May 01, 2013, 06:57:51 PM
this is a thread about grammar, people, not pictures.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on May 01, 2013, 07:10:50 PM
this is a thread about grammar, people, not pictures.

Says the fellow that can't find his shift key.  ::)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MSTJedi on May 01, 2013, 08:10:41 PM
this is a thread about grammar, people, not pictures.

Says the fellow that who can't find his shift key.  ::)
"That/which" is used for inanimate objects. "Who" is used for people (and some other animated beings.) :)

I always mentally correct that sort of mistake whenever I hear it in a song. Which seems to happen quite bit in popular music, really.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on May 02, 2013, 12:14:18 AM
this is a thread about grammar, people, not pictures.

Says the fellow that who can't find his shift key.  ::)
"That/which" is used for inanimate objects. "Who" is used for people (and some other animated beings.) :)

Irregardless...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on May 02, 2013, 03:49:43 AM
this is a thread about grammar, people, not pictures.

Says the fellow that who can't find his shift key.  ::)
"That/which" is used for inanimate objects. "Who" is used for people (and some other animated beings.) :)

Irregardless...

for all intense purposes, this thread has gotten out of hand.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on May 02, 2013, 06:17:34 AM
FYI: The mini-series is on Netflix.
Still don't have that. :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on May 02, 2013, 11:26:53 AM
I hear the "was/were" thing way more often (not to say it occurs more often, just that I pick up on it) in conditions. ("If I was..." being the incorrect use most of the time.)

When I hear this I think of a man who stumbles upon an evil genie and then says "I wish I was a billionaire."  The genie then grants his wish, and the man becomes suicidal as his mind is flooded with memories of the time he made billions in the stock market but lost it all in a Ponzi scheme.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on May 06, 2013, 10:19:40 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iOxkfNz85bR8O.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty on May 07, 2013, 03:07:12 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7433038592/hEDB531C9/)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Space version 2.0 on May 11, 2013, 05:00:48 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/mattrick51/birbigs_zpsae165104.png)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on June 03, 2013, 11:10:46 PM
(http://i.minus.com/imIAfhAbrI47R.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on June 04, 2013, 06:48:12 AM
Yes understanding it in the context of "me" and it's variants is a helpful way of understanding it once you get past "You".

The difference between "You" and "Thou" isn't touched upon there though, which I think the original questioner might have wanted to know.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on June 04, 2013, 11:53:41 AM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7521895168/hD7B005F4/)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on June 04, 2013, 04:29:09 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7521895168/hD7B005F4/)

By the time Future Perfect shows up, everything will have been sorted out.

Not before Future Conditional Pluperfect Subjunctive racks 'em up.

(http://i.imgur.com/3m6zBL6.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on June 05, 2013, 03:17:02 AM
(http://i.minus.com/ipW43CzTtxxk0.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on June 16, 2013, 07:04:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gpzOLwH.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RandyMistie on June 16, 2013, 10:59:28 PM
SARC!!!!  You Neo-Con Bastard!  How are you, man!  It's me-- the moon-bat!

I've missed the old gang around here.... it's just been me and Sideswipe kickin' around and a buncha kids who don't know us...

I'm not gonna lie to ya, it's dis-heatening... I just buy my 'trax and leave nowadays... don't even bother with the forum, most-times... But, I just saw this thread full of you and a buncha old timers... anyways, how are you, man!  How's the world treatin' ya, these days?

Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on June 16, 2013, 11:10:10 PM
SARC!!!!  You Neo-Con Bastard!  How are you, man!  It's me-- the moon-bat!

(http://i.minus.com/iHmEfU16aNE15.gif)

What the hell do you want, program?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RandyMistie on June 16, 2013, 11:15:47 PM
Lembach? Are you staying?!?!??? There's gonna be pie!

(Love the David Warner, TRON thing, LOL! Killed me! I did a spit-take, I'm not kidding...)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on June 16, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
Lembach? Are you staying?!?!??? There's gonna be pie!

And Shenanigans??
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RandyMistie on June 16, 2013, 11:35:43 PM
YES! um... Sure, Shenanigans is very definitely a strong possibility... so, what do you think, are you staying? As I said, there WILL be pie... possibly apple, maybe lemon... something... can you... make a pie out of lemons...?

Anyways, are you staying! Please you must stay!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on June 18, 2013, 05:41:05 PM
the journal editor on our latest paper turned "appendices" to "appendixes". :speechless:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on June 19, 2013, 12:14:36 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iy9AlqgirxlD7.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on June 19, 2013, 08:02:53 AM
the journal editor on our latest paper turned "appendices" to "appendixes". :speechless:
I have to deal with people constantly talking about "Addendums"
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on June 21, 2013, 12:16:16 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iLp07bSvWN0Zh.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on June 21, 2013, 11:19:17 AM
Grammatikalisch korrekten Ausdruck would be more in keeping with the phrase alluded to and the concept of Grammar Nazis.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 21, 2013, 03:25:07 PM
Now here I was thinking the name of De Fuhrer would be Adolf Spellcheck.  But on second thought it should be whatever the German word for spellcheck is.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on July 05, 2013, 03:31:12 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7623104512/hD876B5FE/)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty Version II on July 12, 2013, 04:12:35 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4827948800/hA20AA901/)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MSTJedi on July 12, 2013, 04:31:37 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4827948800/hA20AA901/)

Okay, in what language is that kind of syntax proper?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on July 12, 2013, 05:05:27 PM
fortran
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty Version II on July 13, 2013, 07:22:01 AM

Okay, in what language is that kind of syntax proper?
Probably the same language as this one:

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7653743616/h441ADD20/)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on July 13, 2013, 07:24:03 AM

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7653743616/h441ADD20/)
This is what I see when I read Shakespeare.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MSTJedi on July 13, 2013, 02:27:35 PM

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7653743616/h441ADD20/)
This is what I see when I read Shakespeare.

See, for some reason, Shakespeare never bothered me. Like it quite a bit, actually. Even took a class in college. I do have a strange innate ability to understand jargon and slang just from context. Still needed the annotations with a lot of Shakespeare, though.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on July 13, 2013, 03:12:43 PM

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7653743616/h441ADD20/)
This is what I see when I read Shakespeare.

Perhaps he's an Asian describing his new tattoo. Much like western hipsters that get random Chinese words.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty Version II on July 15, 2013, 08:32:22 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/enlightenment.png)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty Version II on July 15, 2013, 08:33:25 PM
Maybe we had Doc all wrong.  Maybe he wasn't crazy.  Maybe he was the one truly enlightened one and we're all the crazies.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: doggans on July 15, 2013, 09:26:50 PM
Maybe we had Doc all wrong.  Maybe he wasn't crazy.  Maybe he was the one truly enlightened one and we're all the crazies.

Regardless of spelling, I don't recall him ever hearing anyone else's ideas, let alone saying they were good.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RandyMistie on July 20, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
In the third panel. black box, shouldn't it be, "I have heard your ideas and THEY'RE definitely good..." not trying to be a grammar Nazi, but... (the point of the thread, after all), cute cartoon, but bad grammar... again we swirl around these ideas... my head hurts... where is Lembach...?  Is he staying?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Thrifty Version II on July 21, 2013, 07:19:21 AM
In the third panel. black box, shouldn't it be, "I have heard your ideas and THEY'RE definitely good..." not trying to be a grammar Nazi, but... (the point of the thread, after all), cute cartoon, but bad grammar... again we swirl around these ideas... my head hurts... where is Lembach...?  Is he staying?
There are multiple misspellings in that cartoon.  I think the point is that they want people to be able to overlook them.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RandyMistie on July 21, 2013, 11:32:59 PM
Really? Is that the point? Of this thread? You are a Smartie McSmartfuck, arent'cha?  Where is Lembach?

I have a headache...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on July 22, 2013, 12:13:21 AM
I reeealllyyy must be getting back to Geneva.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on July 22, 2013, 03:23:53 AM
humour is at its funniest when it's explained in minute detail.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on July 22, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
I reeealllyyy must be getting back to Geneva.
NOOOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on July 22, 2013, 03:23:37 PM
humour is at its funniest when it's explained in minute detail.

Well, if you insist:

Humour or humor is the tendency of particular cognitive experiences to provoke laughter and provide amusement. The term derives from the humoural medicine of the ancient Greeks, which taught that the balance of fluids in the human body, known as humours (Latin: humor, "body fluid"), control human health and emotion.

People of all ages and cultures respond to humour. The majority of people are able to experience humour, i.e., to be amused, to laugh or smile at something funny, and thus they are considered to have a sense of humour. The hypothetical person lacking a sense of humour would likely find the behaviour induced by humour to be inexplicable, strange, or even irrational. Though ultimately decided by personal taste, the extent to which a person will find something humorous depends upon a host of variables, including geographical location, culture, maturity, level of education, intelligence and context. For example, young children may favour slapstick, such as Punch and Judy puppet shows or cartoons such as Tom and Jerry. Satire may rely more on understanding the target of the humour and thus tends to appeal to more mature audiences.

Many theories exist about what humour is and what social function it serves. The prevailing types of theories attempting to account for the existence of humour include psychological theories, the vast majority of which consider humour-induced behaviour to be very healthy; spiritual theories, which may, for instance, consider humour to be a "gift from God"; and theories which consider humour to be an unexplainable mystery, very much like a mystical experience.

Some claim that humour cannot or should not be explained. Author E.B. White once said, "Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but the thing dies in the process and the innards are discouraging to any but the pure scientific mind."

Arthur Schopenhauer lamented the misuse of the term "humour" (a German loanword from English) to mean any type of comedy. However, both "humour" and "comic" are often used when theorising about the subject. The connotations of "humour" as opposed to "comic" are said to be that of response versus stimulus. Additionally, "humour" was thought to include a combination of ridiculousness and wit in an individual; the paradigmatic case being Shakespeare's Sir John Falstaff. The French were slow to adopt the term "humour"; in French, "humeur" and "humour" are still two different words, the former referring to a person's mood or to the archaic concept of the four humours.

Non-satirical humour can be specifically termed "recreational drollery".

Different cultures have different expectations of humour so comedy shows are not always successful when transplanted into another culture. For example, a 2004 BBC News article discusses a stereotype among British comedians that Americans and Germans do not understand irony, and therefore UK sitcoms are not appreciated by them.

Rowan Atkinson explains in his lecture in the documentary "Funny Business" that an object or a person can become funny in three ways. They are:

    By behaving in an unusual way
    By being in an unusual place
    By being the wrong size

Most sight gags fit into one or more of these categories.

"Some theoreticians of the comic consider exaggeration to be a universal comic device". It may take different forms in different genres, but all rely on the fact that "the easiest way to make things laughable is to exaggerate to the point of absurdity their salient traits".
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RandyMistie on August 04, 2013, 09:26:37 PM
Lembach, you are the smartiest McSmartfuck of them all! I read your dissertation and I find it compelling, magnificently written and also compelling!

Also, I really wish you would consider staying, as I said, there could be "Shenanigans"? possible pies....
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: ScottotD on August 06, 2013, 12:56:17 AM
CM Punk cares apparently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13FV1GaA20I&feature=share&list=PLl4T6p7km9dba5JgQ-otWzT-ozeecDbW8
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on August 21, 2013, 06:00:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZBydY0i.png)

i just noticed this unfortunate ellipsis in my adobe utilities folder. :speechless:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Pak-Man on August 28, 2013, 04:01:11 PM
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the following are now words:

apols
A/W
babymoon
balayage
bitcoin
blondie
buzzworthy
BYOD
cake pop
chandelier earring
click and collect
dappy
derp
digital detox
double denim
emoji
fauxhawk
FIL
flatform
FOMO
food baby
geek chic
girl crush
grats
guac
hackerspace
Internet of things
jorts
LDR
me time
MOOC
omnishambles
pear cider
phablet
pixie cut
selfie
space tourism
squee
srsly
street food
TL;DR
twerk
unlike

I remember when words were added because of some new advances in science and technology, but I guess Twerking is an advance of some sort...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: UncleDesmond on August 28, 2013, 04:03:18 PM
These are more phrases than words. Pear cider is called perry (yeah: Heil me!!!)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on August 28, 2013, 08:16:19 PM
I remember when words were added because of some new advances in science and technology, but I guess Twerking is an advance of some sort...
You're not remembering that about the OED because chief amongst the criteria there has always been prevalence of usage.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: UncleDesmond on August 29, 2013, 02:50:08 PM
I remember when words were added because of some new advances in science and technology, but I guess Twerking is an advance of some sort...
You're not remembering that about the OED because the criteria there has always been prevalence of usage.
*criterion (singular)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on August 29, 2013, 04:03:30 PM
Nope I neglected to type "chief amongst",  which I've now rectified.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on August 30, 2013, 08:17:46 PM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/FuckingGrammar_zps175ae6b1.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/FuckingGrammar_zps175ae6b1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on September 15, 2013, 03:37:21 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iPvZfr8Ztw5j8.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RandyMistie on September 16, 2013, 09:40:48 AM
Oh my goodness! Imrahil is the Smartiest McSmartfuck of them all! I recend all other Smartie McSmartfucks in favor of Imrahil.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on September 16, 2013, 10:06:14 AM
Like when Geordies talk.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/senseofplace/images/alan_partridge_270.jpg)
"That was just noise"
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RandyMistie on September 16, 2013, 11:29:26 AM
You know. That word when you take something back. What? Did I spell it wrong? I'm trying to praise you, you ungrateful fuck!

(I am a grumpy old man, but I really admire you for your smarts!)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RandyMistie on September 16, 2013, 12:09:09 PM
HAHA, lol, what a huge dick, I am. Frankly, I think you, Imrahil, are one of the smartest people on this board, (and there are a lot of smart people on this board!)

I read a couple of your papers, and I think your take on Greco-Roman society was really quite a revelation. Plus, you are a great writer...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on September 16, 2013, 01:35:43 PM
Wait, where did you read his papers? I did a quick search and found delightful pages on Rate my Professor but no papers.

Seriously Im, I love your RmP reviews. ;)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on September 16, 2013, 01:50:16 PM
Yeah I could picture the little nerks just by reading the negatives, you have my sympathies.

Pretty funny all the same though. :)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RandyMistie on September 16, 2013, 06:36:46 PM
Oh. I read your papers. Using my MENTAL POWERS! I am a witch, you know... I mean, it should be obvious...

LOL!!!

Ima weirdo...

But seriously, I have read your work. It's quite brilliant... friend of a friend of a guy I know who's a professor at certain schools... etc... I know a guy who knows a guy...

RANDY!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on September 20, 2013, 07:06:14 AM
(http://www.retailhellunderground.com/.a/6a00e54f10a0988834019aff7bdf36970d-500wi)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on September 20, 2013, 07:47:09 AM
It's infused with truffle-oil.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on September 23, 2013, 05:01:43 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7813462784/hA72FB8A5/)

cheeseburger on cheeseburger violence has to stop. :(
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on September 30, 2013, 10:11:12 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UPRomEg.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on September 30, 2013, 10:38:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UPRomEg.jpg)

it says "our" on the back, right?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 30, 2013, 10:59:12 AM
Maybe it's a riddle of some kind...  What is your number zero and my number one?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on September 30, 2013, 12:42:38 PM
What does hashtag zero one mean?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on October 03, 2013, 05:47:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XUhSg28.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on October 08, 2013, 10:16:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/cX6EmQy.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on October 08, 2013, 12:32:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/cX6EmQy.jpg)

she's kinda acute, but man she can be obtuse, and she's rarely complementary.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: bta on October 13, 2013, 12:45:38 PM
Where's the "MAN" version of that costume?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on November 11, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JHY8XRi.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RoninFox on November 11, 2013, 10:33:13 PM
That's the oddest dialog Yoda has ever delivered.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: d00hickey on November 13, 2013, 12:22:05 AM
Has any one else here read any Hubert Selby Junior? He's considered a great writer and he abandons grammar all together.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RoninFox on November 13, 2013, 11:28:08 PM
I had an interesting grammar issue at work today.  There was a problem on the manufacturing floor.  My immediate boss asked me to write up a quick report on the problem and send it to him through e-mail.  When I did, my boss then made edits to my e-mail and sent it on to several others, including several people above him.  My name and contact information remained at the bottom of the message, and to the recipients it still looked like it was all my writing.

His edits consisted entirely of adding grammatical errors and misspellings.  For example:  The phrase "I noticed there was a new mistake" became "I noticed there where still a new mistakes."

I don't think my boss fully understands why I'm angry about this.  His only explanation for the edits was "I was trying to make things clearer."  He did, at the very least, send a follow-up email where he took responsibility for the edits while including my original message.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on November 14, 2013, 02:54:03 AM
... "I noticed there where still a new mistakes."
...His only explanation for the edits was "I was trying to make things clearer."

UFB.  And that was supposed to be clearer?  It makes no sense at all.

At least he sent a notice that it wasn't your writing at the point he sent it, and included your original, so people could see that it isn't you that's incompetent with the English language.  [I've known, and/or heard of, many a supervisor who wouldn't do such a thing.]
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on November 19, 2013, 07:26:57 AM
(http://media.tumblr.com/f0739a875549a1fbc367030d7a1d9577/tumblr_inline_mwh5lsGgKK1qb25dg.jpg)

ah, fake science (http://fakescience.org), you are so wondrous.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: bta on November 22, 2013, 04:35:55 PM
My old boss used to quote work manual text and insert his own sentences in the middle of paragraphs that changed the meaning of the text...along with his poor spelling and different font type it was pretty easy to pick out his additions.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on November 25, 2013, 10:23:55 AM
This is more of a spelling error.
(http://i.imgur.com/HsEAJie.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: UncleDesmond on November 25, 2013, 10:29:21 AM
Has any one else here read any Hubert Selby Junior? He's considered a great writer and he abandons grammar all together.
No I haven't. What does that tell you?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 25, 2013, 10:41:57 AM
This is more of a spelling error.
(http://i.imgur.com/HsEAJie.jpg)

Could go in the funny pictures thread, it made me laugh.

I wonder what the fine print says?

Hands can get way more dirty than tongues, and maybe they misplaced their tongs?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on November 25, 2013, 02:34:07 PM
This is more of a spelling error.
(http://i.imgur.com/HsEAJie.jpg)

Could go in the funny pictures thread, it made me laugh.

I wonder what the fine print says?

Hands can get way more dirty than tongues, and maybe they misplaced their tongs?

Maybe the person behind the counter was just doing screening for a possible future date.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: d00hickey on November 25, 2013, 03:34:19 PM
Has any one else here read any Hubert Selby Junior? He's considered a great writer and he abandons grammar all together.
No I haven't. What does that tell you?

Last Exit to Brooklyn, Requiem for a Dream.....
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: UncleDesmond on November 25, 2013, 04:08:18 PM
Has any one else here read any Hubert Selby Junior? He's considered a great writer and he abandons grammar all together.
No I haven't. What does that tell you?

Ooo! OOo! Pick me!! It says that you have dismissed the author on first mention!
Fail.

It tells you that I have not read him.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Pak-Man on November 25, 2013, 04:23:07 PM
I've never read Selby, but my understanding is that he's writing in-character, using vernacular and the lack of grammar as a stylistic choice.

The trick there is that writing that way, and making it something comprehensible, is probably more of a challenge then actually following the rules of grammar, and if you can write books in that style that people want to read, then you've earned the right to do so. That's very different than just ignoring the rules of grammar and writing something that makes no sense.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: d00hickey on November 25, 2013, 08:12:00 PM
I've never read Selby, but my understanding is that he's writing in-character, using vernacular and the lack of grammar as a stylistic choice.

The trick there is that writing that way, and making it something comprehensible, is probably more of a challenge then actually following the rules of grammar, and if you can write books in that style that people want to read, then you've earned the right to do so. That's very different than just ignoring the rules of grammar and writing something that makes no sense.

I've read a fair amount of Selby, he does write in character using that characters vernacular (like Twain), he also writes in the second person as a narrator also not using proper grammar. He comes from a poor uneducated family and taught himself to write while in the hospital for tuberculosis, it might have been polio I can't remember.

   
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: MSTJedi on December 11, 2013, 08:48:35 AM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1004891_10152062772721438_1709988974_n.jpg)


So you say the Oxford comma is unnecessary, eh?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on December 11, 2013, 11:03:12 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/tCJbRIF.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Variety of Cells on December 11, 2013, 11:39:24 AM
Someone gave them too many apostrophes, so now they are re-gifting.   
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on December 11, 2013, 11:44:20 AM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1004891_10152062772721438_1709988974_n.jpg)


So you say the Oxford comma is unnecessary, eh?
Yes, it is, the Oxford Comma is a purely American concept and this doesn't read oddly in a grammatical sense to anyone outside of the US (unless they also adhere to US English syntax).
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Post by: goflyblind on December 11, 2013, 02:09:56 PM
i read in a logical manner; thus my ors are inclusive and my ands are binary. :angry:
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Post by: Tripe on December 11, 2013, 02:13:01 PM
That's not how the syntax of most world Englishes works.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 11, 2013, 02:35:20 PM
 Is there a part of the USA where people generally say "took it off" when referring to turning off or switching off something?
 Someone at work says it all the time and it's not a translation issue, they grew up here, English is their first language.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: UncleDesmond on December 11, 2013, 03:11:11 PM
Is there a part of the USA where people generally say "took it off" when referring to turning off or switching off something?
 Someone at work says it all the time and it's not a translation issue, they grew up here, English is their first language.
Yes, but they are not a native speaker: there's your problem.
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Post by: Pak-Man on December 11, 2013, 03:13:38 PM
Never heard that phrase, but it reminds me of the people who would call in during my Sprint days and say, "You cut my service off, and I want you to cut it back on!"
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Post by: bta on December 11, 2013, 04:22:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tCJbRIF.jpg)

Hey, hey!  My sister goes there!  Ha, ha!
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Post by: UncleDesmond on December 11, 2013, 06:48:57 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1004891_10152062772721438_1709988974_n.jpg)


So you say the Oxford comma is unnecessary, eh?
Yes, it is, the Oxford Comma is a purely American concept and this doesn't read oddly in a grammatical sense to anyone outside of the US (unless they also adhere to US English syntax).

Bullshit.
I second your bullshit. The Oxford comma is a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Tripe on December 11, 2013, 07:08:22 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1004891_10152062772721438_1709988974_n.jpg)


So you say the Oxford comma is unnecessary, eh?
Yes, it is, the Oxford Comma is a purely American concept and this doesn't read oddly in a grammatical sense to anyone outside of the US (unless they also adhere to US English syntax).

Bullshit.
I second your bullshit. The Oxford comma is a wonderful thing.
Show of hands, who has an academic background in the study of the English language?


I didn't say people don't find it useful, I said it was a grammatical element peculiar to US English and that's exactly what it is. The picture is taken from the British arm of Murdoch's multimedia empire, as such they are using British English, the "Oxford" comma isn't a feature of British English and, contrary to its adherents insistence, is no more elucidative than not using it.

The commas don't only have a separative function, occasionally they have a parenthetical one  as well, constantly using the serial comma can interfere with that other function and add ambiguity rather than removing it.

At any rate if a sentence is truly ambiguous it should be rewritten, the "Oxford" comma is merely an American shibboleth and only tells one that those who employ it are prone to using U.S. English as opposed to another one of the World Englishes.

In the case of that picture however the meaning is only ambiguous if one wants it to be, it isn't in actuality and has been written using a version of English that doesn't feature the serial comma. Now, had it been from an American source there would have been a potential case for the inclusion of the serial comma, but it wasn't, so the serial comma is not needed.
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Post by: d00hickey on December 11, 2013, 07:10:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tCJbRIF.jpg)

You know you have bad grammar when, like me, you read this ten times and don't see anything wrong with it.  :-[

Oh well I'm always trying to learn more. I love writing and I'm pretty good at it but I still make stupid mistakes from time to time.
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Post by: UncleDesmond on December 11, 2013, 07:19:05 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Which Oxford does the name come from, o wise one? Please learn us stupids.
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Post by: Tripe on December 11, 2013, 07:23:16 PM
I didn't say anyone was stupid please don't misrepresent what I'm saying.
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Post by: Darth Geek on December 11, 2013, 07:23:25 PM
the "Oxford" comma is merely an American shibboleth

Sounds like a Lovecraftian elder God.
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Post by: UncleDesmond on December 11, 2013, 07:25:28 PM
the "Oxford" comma is merely an American shibboleth

Sounds like a Lovecraftian elder God.
Me n Tripe already played with that one last week: http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=27857.255
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Post by: Tripe on December 11, 2013, 07:53:03 PM
Certainly Lovecraft was echoing Hamito-Semitic languages in his writing.

A shibboleth is an exclusionary quirk, often linguistic but they can also be behavioral, by which members of one groupididentify themselves and those not like themselves.

The term comes from an episode in the bible where one (or possibly all 11.5) tribe of Israel was at war with the  half tribe of Ephraim. They used the word "shibboleth" (meaning "ear of corn") as a password. The Ephraimites pronounced this "sibboleth" meaning they couldn't infiltrate their enemy's strongholds.

The development of U.S. English involved, to a great extent, removal of linguistic shibboleths from British English. A good example is this: how do you pronounce that word beginng with W for what is also called a vest in the U.S.?
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Post by: Variety of Cells on December 11, 2013, 08:32:35 PM
I didn't retain much from my grammar lessons in middle school, but I do remember my teacher kind of shrugging and saying you don't need to put a comma before 'and'.  Therefore I've always found it ugly and redundant when a comma is used before a coordinating conjunction. 

Go figure.  One of the few pieces of grammar I remember being specifically instructed on in school, and it turns out to not necessarily be true in my country. 
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Post by: d00hickey on December 11, 2013, 08:55:27 PM
I didn't retain much from my grammar lessons in middle school, but I do remember my teacher kind of shrugging and saying you don't need to put a comma before 'and'.  Therefore I've always found it ugly and redundant when a comma is used before a coordinating conjunction. 

Go figure.  One of the few pieces of grammar I remember being specifically instructed on in school, and it turns out to not necessarily be true in my country.

My best English teacher used to tell us that it was OK to start sentences with 'and' and 'but'. But every other English teacher I had told us that doing so is an absolute no no. I still start sentences with 'and' and 'but' but I'm always ambivalent about it.
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Post by: Pak-Man on December 11, 2013, 09:47:38 PM
You can start a sentence with "and" or "but," but people tend to do that when what they really wanted was a comma at the end of the last sentence. Teachers tend to find it easier to tell their students to just avoid it entirely then to teach them the few cases where it's OK to start with a conjunction.
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Post by: RandyMistie on December 12, 2013, 11:55:39 AM
Then there was the absolute rule about ending a sentence with a preposition... now that's ok...

In fact, I was lately told by very prominent creative writers that there are very few rules left for creative writing. There are dozens of Pulitzer and Nobel prize winning novels that throw the rules out entirely.

Cormac McCarthy, and the writer of "Angela's Ashes" (the name of that author eludes me and that makes my Irish ancestor's cry...), seldom even use "quotation" marks during dialogue, leaving the reader having to figure out who is speaking just from the context of the passage. "One Hundred Years of Solitude" barely uses punctuation at all-- throughout the novel... (it is translated from Spanish but the author apparently meant it to be that way).

So, basically, the idea is, if it works and conveys your message, let it roll, I suppose. Although, it is hard to get over that stuff you were initially taught in school!
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Post by: Nunyerbiz on December 12, 2013, 02:04:04 PM
So, basically, the idea is, if it works and conveys your message, let it roll, I suppose. Although, it is hard to get over that stuff you were initially taught in school!

This is basically my outlook on this as well. I wasn't taught anything regarding the oxford/serial comma, so it always looks out of place when I see it... But I don't have a problem with it. I've always incorrectly/ overused ellipses on the internets... like I am doing here... because I usually don't think of sentence structure when typing... more a stream of consciousness approach I guess.

The only peeve I have is the whole your/you're thing.... But I don't even think of that as grammar, it's just using the wrong damn word. 
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: UncleDesmond on December 12, 2013, 03:14:17 PM
I didn't say anyone was stupid please don't misrepresent what I'm saying.
True, but you were kinda waving your um... degree... around.
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Post by: d00hickey on December 12, 2013, 03:19:05 PM
I agree with the last few posts. For me, if there is an intelligible idea being conveyed, I don't care if it uses proper grammar or even spelling. 

Writing is a very creative process and everyone does it a little differently. It's important to have a good framework, and an understanding of the language, but writing styles are a lot like mannerisms and help to define our unique personality's.
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Post by: Tripe on December 12, 2013, 08:38:03 PM
I didn't say anyone was stupid please don't misrepresent what I'm saying.
True, but you were kinda waving your um... degree... around.
If we were talking about classics I would defer to Im as that is his area of expertise, if we were talking, er not sure some sort of applied engineering I think, I would assume that you are better placed to talk about the technical side of that.

When we are talking about the English language my training and background are indeed relevant.
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Post by: Pak-Man on December 12, 2013, 10:48:25 PM
Think of language like art. If you just need to convey something quick and dirty- say in a game of pictionary- stick figures are fine. You don't need to worry about proportion and perspective and scale or any of that, and for lots of people that's all they ever need. Now if you're presenting your art in art class, or submitting it to a museum, or publishing a collection of your art, then you'd probably better have something more than stick figures.

The rules aren't the only way to get from point A to point B, but they're part of the craft and necessary if you want to be taken seriously in most circles.
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Post by: RandyMistie on December 13, 2013, 09:00:18 PM
Allow me to synthesise my point: I agree with Imrahill and PAK-MAN, especially PAK-MAN. language is art.

But like the best cartoonists or impressionists artists, they have to study, and master, the basics and the techniques first, before they can throw out the rules. And then, I can point to Poe, as a more direct example, his novels and short stories were perfectly written, but his poetry often rambled with inconsistent imagery that made sense, not to your analytical mind, but to your inner eye, as it were.

Ultimately, your work has to resonate with some truth, whether it is a comedic or tragic or merely an observation one; truth must be felt or understood, or it is empty...

>>>>SCENE<<<<
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Post by: Lembach on December 29, 2013, 11:54:17 PM
(http://i.minus.com/ibcJYilQkKuGwm.jpg)
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Post by: RandyMistie on January 01, 2014, 12:41:37 AM
Lembach, you magnificent BASTARD! That list of most beautiful English words made me cry...

...FUCK YOU!!!!

Love,

The most Right Rev. Randy.
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Post by: goflyblind on January 01, 2014, 06:16:19 PM
feltching?! that's not a beautiful wor… *puts on glasses*… oh… never mind.

note: do not google feltching if you have a sensitive disposition.
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Post by: Lembach on January 10, 2014, 11:59:03 PM
(http://i.minus.com/ihY48DK0EOmhF.jpg)

(http://i.minus.com/i3UAE1NTkC5du.jpg)

(http://i.minus.com/ibiyBBt6hjC33m.jpg)

(http://i.minus.com/iTSGvrStQD6XC.jpg)

(http://i.minus.com/ibtMFo9nEZBhm8.jpg)

(http://i.minus.com/ibaBcBaGPBU3Pc.jpg)

(http://i.minus.com/ilQfN2ZrNDBzf.jpg)

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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 11, 2014, 10:28:46 AM
That tattoo is terrible, I didn't even notice the misspelling due to staring at the bad drawing of the face, what is that red mark near her eye?

Oh, and why is the thought of panties stuffed with lemon bars making me laugh?
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Post by: goflyblind on January 11, 2014, 10:58:39 AM
what is that red mark near her eye?

rebel alliance logo.

(http://store.hermanstreet.com/images/products/n10510.jpg)
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 11, 2014, 11:00:55 AM
I get thats what its supposed to be, it looks like a boat anchor to me though.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 11, 2014, 12:01:15 PM
Ah, it was too poorly drawn for me to make the connection.  Stupid to put it on her face, too small to do well, of course that artist probably would botch it even if it was a larger stand alone tattoo... ;D
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Post by: The Lurker on January 11, 2014, 04:27:59 PM
Looks more like Snow White than Leia.
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Post by: RVR II on January 31, 2014, 05:39:49 AM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/grammarnuts_zps15234cc5.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/grammarnuts_zps15234cc5.jpg.html)
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Post by: Pak-Man on March 04, 2014, 10:54:00 AM
Happy National Grammar Day, everyone!

http://www.nationalgrammarday.com/

End a sentence with a prepositional phrase today! Just take the prepositional phrase off the end first and make sure that the sentence doesn't work equally well without it! TO THE EXTREME! What are you waiting for?
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Post by: Lembach on May 02, 2014, 01:22:49 AM
(http://i.minus.com/i4V14Un9unfEn.jpg)
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Post by: Sideswipe on May 02, 2014, 04:25:08 AM
Damn you auto correct!  Jesus, why have you forsaken me?!
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Post by: goflyblind on May 02, 2014, 04:25:58 AM
(http://i.minus.com/i4V14Un9unfEn.jpg)

… and sometimes y. sometimes y.
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Post by: RoninFox on May 02, 2014, 06:25:06 AM
(http://i.minus.com/i4V14Un9unfEn.jpg)

… and sometimes y. sometimes y.

NO!  Y as a vowel is an abomination before God. It was Yeshua, not "E"eshua.
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Post by: Sideswipe on May 02, 2014, 06:37:21 AM
In the Latin alphabet, Jehova starts with an I.
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Post by: RandyMistie on May 26, 2014, 07:59:32 AM
But in the Hebrew, Jehovah is "YHVH" the Tetragrammaton, the unpronounceable name of god. Represents the four winds, the four elements, whatever...

Thank the gods for science! (Yes, I understand the conflict there, I am a complicated man....)

REV, RANDY!
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Post by: Tripe on May 26, 2014, 09:48:00 AM
But in the Hebrew, Jehovah is "YHVH" the Tetragrammaton, the unpronounceable name of god. Represents the four winds, the four elements, whatever...
No it doesn't, it represents the name Yahweh minus symbols for vowels, which Hebrew didn't have. It wasn't unpronounceable structurally but due to a taboo. The workaround for this was to say "Adonai", "The Lord", the vowels of which (because the diaspora forced vowels into Hebrew) added to YHVH by Christianity brings us Jehovah.
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Post by: RandyMistie on May 26, 2014, 11:21:05 AM
Yes, I know this.... Adonai the Anointed One, Ben Adahm the son of Adam, etc.... I am a reverend and wrote a book called "The Gospel of Lucifer" in which the Devil told me the whole story of the Usurper Yeshua....

Oh, well.... you probly don't like me now...

Well.... I like you!
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Post by: Sideswipe on May 26, 2014, 11:33:56 AM
Oh no Randy.  Not your imaginary friends again?!
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Post by: RandyMistie on May 26, 2014, 11:38:54 AM

Yes. I am afraid so, Swipe.... crawling with demons....
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Post by: Tripe on May 26, 2014, 12:48:41 PM
Yes, I know this.... Adonai the Anointed One, Ben Adahm the son of Adam, etc.... I am a reverend and wrote a book called "The Gospel of Lucifer" in which the Devil told me the whole story of the Usurper Yeshua....

Oh, well.... you probly don't like me now...

Well.... I like you!
Nope Adonai means "The Lord", the Hebrew version of Messiah is what means "Anointed One"

Why would I dislike you for writing something Luciferian?
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Post by: RandyMistie on May 26, 2014, 01:01:01 PM
I was being sloppy with the Hebrew, forgive me.... May Hashem forgive me also....
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Post by: Tripe on May 26, 2014, 01:08:25 PM
Well, words have meaning, regardless of if we're talking about words in English or other languages.
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Post by: RandyMistie on May 26, 2014, 01:19:15 PM

I love Hallah Bread! We Irish have a great affinity with Jews, we were all locked up in the same ghetto with Italians, in New York. They gave us the gift of their corned beef. In Ireland, we would have had pork or lamb with our cabbage on St. Patty's day, but in the Jewish ghetto we could find no pork.... the Jews gave us corned beef! It was a glorious time for us! In Ireland we couldn't afford beef and the Anglish took it all away from us anyways....

Now, the Italians, they don't like us. It's because we fought over the same territory in New York. I love Italians but they don't like me....

So... What the hell r ya gonna do!?

Anyways, Master of the Universe grant me peace, Hashem! Amen.
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Post by: RandyMistie on May 26, 2014, 02:14:15 PM
Now look, there is Imrahil all up in my stuff! Listen, man, I am having a bad day. I know I am not as smart as you! I have forgotten a great deal, I'm a fifty year old guy.... ok!?  You are young and your brain is fresh and not polluted with hooch. Half a century on this miserable planet is long enough, frankly.

So, do not despise me because you know me to be a sinner. (That is from the Rite of Exorcism).

LOVE
Rev. Randy!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 26, 2014, 03:17:20 PM
This thread is out of control... :o
 
Where is Grammara when we need him (her?) (it?)? 
 
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Post by: RandyMistie on May 26, 2014, 03:24:08 PM
Luciferian is cool....
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Post by: goflyblind on May 27, 2014, 03:17:18 PM
someone on facebook just used "on route". i… i don't even know anymore.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 27, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
someone on facebook just used "on route". i… i don't even know anymore.

Maybe the were just standing, loitering in the middle of a route somewhere?  If you are not actually going somewhere it would be inappropriate to use "en route".  >:D

Of course if they didn't capitalize route and add the name or number then they are still wrong.
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Post by: RandyMistie on June 09, 2014, 04:27:32 AM
Also, BTW, I wasn't sloppy with the Hebrew.... the Tetragrammoton is a High Magickal invocation. A bunch of goyum, in the Golden Dawn or Order of the Silver Star, or any of the Aliester Crowley churches, all used the Hebrew, (or so they said, but as a buncha goyum how could they know?), letters YHVH, Yahweh, or Jehovah, each letter representing a cardinal point on the compass.... etc....

Listen I have about a dozen books on the subject of Magickal Kabala.... it's a buncha of hooey, of course... one dating back to the 16th century....

But, usually the goyum fall for it.... Oy! the goy!

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Post by: Variety of Cells on July 17, 2014, 06:43:55 PM
Weird Al - Word Crimes (Blurred Lines)

http://www.youtube.com/v/8Gv0H-vPoDc?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0
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Post by: d00hickey on July 17, 2014, 06:56:55 PM
Weird Al - Word Crimes (Blurred Lines)

http://www.youtube.com/v/8Gv0H-vPoDc?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0

I liked his new Tacky more.
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Post by: Variety of Cells on July 17, 2014, 08:13:57 PM
Tacky was pretty good, but I liked this song and the video for it more, even though Tacky had Kristen Schall. 
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Post by: goflyblind on July 18, 2014, 10:42:45 AM
Weird al isn't funny.

anti-dark beers and anti-al. are you hitler?
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Post by: NashaWriter on July 18, 2014, 10:59:45 AM
You are a horrible person Imrahil! Just horrible!

-runs off, cries-
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Post by: RoninFox on July 18, 2014, 11:28:16 AM
Weird al isn't funny.

anti-dark beers and anti-al. are you hitler?

I'm also pro-capitalization. (To keep the thread on-topic.)

Except in the proper name of an artist you aren't fond of.
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Post by: Pak-Man on July 18, 2014, 11:42:41 AM
He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 18, 2014, 02:19:10 PM
Isnt that what those baby kennel things are for?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Variety of Cells on July 19, 2014, 06:34:26 PM
Weird al isn't funny.

anti-dark beers and anti-al. are you hitler?

I'm also pro-capitalization. (To keep the thread on-topic.)

And not really anti dark beers so much as "eh, they're ok."
Weird Al, to me, is like Spaceballs: funny when you're 8.

I don't necessarily disagree.  Though he can be pretty funny when he's not signing, depending on who he's with.
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Post by: MSTJedi on July 20, 2014, 09:05:36 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10557237_10152528097747708_6916416086537814115_n.jpg?oh=73608a11000fcec35594541e63566b18&oe=544E0280&__gda__=1414150143_5f08f1da08944ec77f05839c2574001e)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on July 27, 2014, 05:11:42 PM
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/efcba330566771646238e98a9cb6a5e1/tumblr_n6uq0yvLl51ridgmwo1_500.jpg)
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Post by: The Lurker on July 31, 2014, 12:05:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YJKBZOc.jpg?1)
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Post by: Lembach on July 31, 2014, 01:06:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YJKBZOc.jpg?1)

This. Made me laugh. Out loud. It's hilarious.  ;D
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 31, 2014, 01:30:14 PM
It's really funny if you read it out loud.  But I think the "of" needed italics or something to put emphasis on it.
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Post by: Pak-Man on August 04, 2014, 09:13:42 PM
Arrgh. We tried to warn them, but they BROKE it! They BROKE ENGLISH!

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/according_to_the_dictionary_literally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/

THEY CAN HAVE LITERALLY WHEN THEY FIGURATIVELY PRY IT FROM MY LITERAL COLD DEAD FINGERS!
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on August 04, 2014, 09:29:17 PM
Arrgh. We tried to warn them, but they BROKE it! They BROKE ENGLISH!

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/according_to_the_dictionary_literally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/

THEY CAN HAVE LITERALLY WHEN THEY FIGURATIVELY PRY IT FROM MY LITERAL COLD DEAD FINGERS!

http://www.youtube.com/v/Cp0I9qLE0VA
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on August 05, 2014, 07:22:04 PM
Arrgh. We tried to warn them, but they BROKE it! They BROKE ENGLISH!

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/according_to_the_dictionary_literally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/

THEY CAN HAVE LITERALLY WHEN THEY FIGURATIVELY PRY IT FROM MY LITERAL COLD DEAD FINGERS!

Oh.......!  We can't have nice things!
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Post by: Unky Des on August 07, 2014, 04:19:03 PM
Your Honor, I present Exhibit "A" and "B": Flammable and Inflammable.
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Post by: Miku Fan on August 07, 2014, 04:26:22 PM
Arrgh. We tried to warn them, but they BROKE it! They BROKE ENGLISH!

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/according_to_the_dictionary_literally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/

THEY CAN HAVE LITERALLY WHEN THEY FIGURATIVELY PRY IT FROM MY LITERAL COLD DEAD FINGERS!

I hate that.  How often do you hear someone say something like, "My heart literally exploded when I saw it!" 

My niece says, when very angry, "That just furiated me!"  I usually laugh, but don't tell her why, which just "furiates" her even more.
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Post by: goflyblind on August 07, 2014, 07:17:41 PM
ah, i could care less.
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Post by: Sideswipe on August 08, 2014, 07:08:46 AM
Irregardless of the situation, I think we are all tired of this bullshit.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on August 12, 2014, 08:56:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/0GpEMaKb.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on September 02, 2014, 03:12:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/X8zjkmF.png?1)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on September 04, 2014, 05:07:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwtI4TEIUAAjro1.jpg)

today, i learned things about nelson mandela.  :o
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Johnny Unusual on September 04, 2014, 05:20:05 PM
Sounds interesting either way...
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Darth Geek on September 05, 2014, 09:40:43 AM
Sounds like he met Joan Rivers.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on September 19, 2014, 04:52:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/sKolg05.jpg)

im, was this one of your classes?
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RoninFox on September 19, 2014, 06:45:12 AM
That stood out to me too.  How do you reduce a language by 10% by using one word.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Sideswipe on September 19, 2014, 07:22:55 AM
(http://angrytechnician.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/its-a-fake.jpg?w=479&h=232)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on September 19, 2014, 11:49:48 AM
Sounds like he met Joan Rivers.

Oooooo! Too soon, bro! Too soon.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on October 28, 2014, 08:13:25 AM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/B4_zps8f3bd9f4.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/B4_zps8f3bd9f4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on October 28, 2014, 09:07:40 AM
Sounds like he met Joan Rivers.

Oooooo! Too soon, bro! Too soon.

Meh. I didn't like her when she was alive; why should her being dead change that?

Your response is two months after I posted that.

Time is up. Knock yourself out.  ;)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on October 28, 2014, 10:04:31 AM
It's a miracle!
(http://i.imgur.com/NQ1RY9y.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Lembach on October 28, 2014, 11:20:49 AM
It's a miracle!
(http://i.imgur.com/NQ1RY9y.jpg)

I'm definitely covered in grated mozzarella. Yeah. Definitely...Definitely covered in mozzarella.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: goflyblind on October 28, 2014, 12:13:50 PM
It's a miracle!
(http://i.imgur.com/NQ1RY9y.jpg)

I'm definitely covered in grated mozzarella. Yeah. Definitely...Definitely covered in mozzarella.

it's time for garlic bread. can't miss garlic bread.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Sideswipe on October 28, 2014, 12:25:07 PM
The linguine with parkinsons is surprisingly a better speaker.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: k1 on November 09, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
The linguine with parkinsons is surprisingly a better speaker.

Though he gets off to a shaky start.

My wife & I are in tears laughing at that post.  Well played sir.  :clap:
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: The Lurker on April 22, 2015, 04:22:24 PM
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/6317e08f85f8fef8797711054ad8b6f6/tumblr_nn5q5dXHWi1s36m72o1_500.jpg)

The reason why it's here:

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Amy Mah was a Vampire, a blood sucking denizen of the night, or she would have been if it was not a school night, and to make matters worse she had just bitten herself (again), instead of her snack for the evening, a nice large and very bloody raw steak which having dropped out of her fingers was now leaving a very interesting stain on her new white t-shirt, and no matter how interesting a stain it made it did not make her mood any better.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: Johnny Unusual on April 23, 2015, 07:14:57 AM
This is why editors and proofreaders and important.  Even if it's your mom or dad.  They'll take the time because they love you that much.
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: ScottotD on April 23, 2015, 07:24:28 AM
Forgot to wish grammar nazis a happy april fourth
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: LucasM on December 15, 2018, 01:02:46 PM
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Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: stansimpson on April 29, 2019, 07:38:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/uIs2uTD.jpg)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on April 29, 2019, 07:41:06 AM
There 8)
Title: Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
Post by: RVR II on April 29, 2019, 07:51:39 AM
My goofy-ass boss doesn't know the difference between Your and You're..
From a text earlier this month
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I don't understand what your asking
By the way, he literally doesn't know much about anything ::)