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Title: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 24, 2011, 06:48:42 PM
Well, the 2011 season is underway.  Lots of returning 'friends' (e.g. Castle, Fringe), some retired before their time (e.g. Caprica [I was basically indifferent to the first season, but the 10 minute preview for the second season that ended the last episode was the story I tuned in for]), and there's a bunch of new stuff.

I suspect none of us has time to try out everything.  So here's a thread for people to recommend shows that they've watched that seem - so far - to be interesting.  Or, conversely, to advise against a show that one tried and didn't care for.

The ONLY way that this thread could possibly be useful to anyone is if we give a description of the show and why we do or don't care for it.  So simply saying "Whatchamacalit is the best show ever!" or "Tedium Incorporated is the worst show ever!" is absolutely useless to anyone reading this.  If that's all you'd write, you needn't bother.


So I'll start with the only new show I've tried that I have a distinct opinion on so far:



Any shows you've made a decision on?  What are they about and what were your reasons for liking or disliking it (or them)?

And if you have any returning shows that you feel might be underappreciated (or 'underwatched') that start their second season this year, feel free to add them.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: RVR II on September 24, 2011, 08:16:26 PM
IRT Deadliest Roads: South America starts this Sunday @ 10pm EST after the season finale of Ice Road Truckers @ 9p EST on the History channel ;D
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on September 25, 2011, 05:44:33 AM
Person of Interest pilot wasn't bad.

Up All Night was kinda funny, but not overly spectacular.  And probably only funny to me because I have kids.

NTSF:SD:SUV:: has been on for a little, but it's pretty funny. And each episode is only 15 min.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on September 25, 2011, 06:03:22 AM
I liked New Girl, the comedy starring Zooey Deschanel.  It really all depends on your tolerance for her wackiness, though.

2 Broke Girls is decent too, though as a multi-camera sitcom, your tastes may vary.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 25, 2011, 06:59:33 AM
I liked New Girl, the comedy starring Zooey Deschanel.  It really all depends on your tolerance for her wackiness, though.


Good night,some gave her a sitcom.  Has she learned to emote yet,I swear the only thing I have ever seen her do is stare wide eyed at a camera and you can't build a sitcom around that.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on September 25, 2011, 08:37:51 AM
I liked New Girl, the comedy starring Zooey Deschanel.  It really all depends on your tolerance for her wackiness, though.


Good night,some gave her a sitcom.  Has she learned to emote yet,I swear the only thing I have ever seen her do is stare wide eyed at a camera and you can't build a sitcom around that.

She's a decent actress.  Don't let the performance in The Happening fool you... no one came out well in that film.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: anais.jude on September 25, 2011, 08:56:05 AM
The season premier of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia was amazing! The show has gotten to the point where the characters that the "Alphas" of the Gang, Mac and Dennis, are getting their reality check. The "second act" as Dee called it. I like the role reversal and this looks to be a great season
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Raefire on September 25, 2011, 10:59:57 AM
NBC's Grimm.

And I'm not just saying that just because it's filmed in Portland, set in Portland, and I was a background extra for a day of filming on Episode 5...

It's also got David Greenwalt (Co-Executive Producer of Buffy and co-creator of Angel) on board, and just has a neat premise that fits Portland perfectly:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Kh3rFsv_WSE

http://nbc.com/grimm

Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: RoninFox on September 25, 2011, 12:20:45 PM
I liked New Girl, the comedy starring Zooey Deschanel.  It really all depends on your tolerance for her wackiness, though.

2 Broke Girls is decent too, though as a multi-camera sitcom, your tastes may vary.

Erica and I enjoyed those two, New Girl came off better than 2 Broke Girls though, better more real seeming characters and all that.

Tried watching the first episode of (2.5Men)-Sheen.

Yeah, I don't think losing Charlie will hurt the show's quality, it's just and bland predictable and wretched as it was before.  Also, maybe I missed it when I was cooking at the same time, but is the kid still on that show?  I only saw the one previously established Man and the new Man, where the hell was the half?  I DEMAND HALF A MAN!  The Charlie Sheen Roast was infinitely more entertaining.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 25, 2011, 02:49:00 PM
I liked New Girl, the comedy starring Zooey Deschanel.  It really all depends on your tolerance for her wackiness, though.


Good night,some gave her a sitcom.  Has she learned to emote yet,I swear the only thing I have ever seen her do is stare wide eyed at a camera and you can't build a sitcom around that.

She's a decent actress.  Don't let the performance in The Happening fool you... no one came out well in that film.

Well I was also thinking of her in Hellboy and Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy,I swear she did not blink once in any of those movies.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 25, 2011, 03:53:23 PM
I'll definitely give Terra Nova a shot. Sort of an Avatar type deal. It even has the jarhead from Avatar in it as some sort of eco-jarhead.

http://www.youtube.com/v/X6aNEIZwPFc?version=3&hl=en_US

There's also The Nerdist which premiered last night which is apparently a talk show hosted by Chris Hardwick.

I'm already behind on new shows. I've got Person of Interest DVR'd and have high hopes for it. Although k1's "wasn't bad" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.  ;D

I caught Free Agents. Decent chemistry between the leads but overall pretty generic.

My tolerance for bush baby lady is very low so I think I'll be skipping New Girl. I'll give 2 Broke Girls a shot, if only because of Kat Dennings.  ;)

I think I'll pass on Pan Am (Mad Men at 30,000 Feet) and The Playboy Club (Mad Men with Rabbit Ears.)

Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on September 25, 2011, 04:50:49 PM
I don't like to base much of an opinion on pilots since more serious shows spend a good chunk of time setting up back story. I wasn bored by it and I think it's worth watching so far.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on September 25, 2011, 05:03:00 PM
I liked New Girl, the comedy starring Zooey Deschanel.  It really all depends on your tolerance for her wackiness, though.


Good night,some gave her a sitcom.  Has she learned to emote yet,I swear the only thing I have ever seen her do is stare wide eyed at a camera and you can't build a sitcom around that.

She's a decent actress.  Don't let the performance in The Happening fool you... no one came out well in that film.

Well I was also thinking of her in Hellboy and Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy,I swear she did not blink once in any of those movies.

She's not in Hellboy.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: doggans on September 25, 2011, 05:12:43 PM
Well I was also thinking of her in Hellboy and Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy,I swear she did not blink once in any of those movies.

She's not in Hellboy.

...which means that by default, he's right about her not blinking in Hellboy. :D

I didn't hate the Ringer pilot, but it seemed pretty...directionless, I guess? I didn't get the sense that they actually knew where the story was going. And, as The Soup pointed out, the chroma key on the boating scenes was awful, which is odd considering the Gellar-cloning effects weren't bad.

The only other new pilot I saw was "Secret Circle", the entirely original and groundbreaking show about a group of supernatural teenagers in a small town in Washington, including romantic leads who stare longingly at each other in the woods while something sparkles.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 25, 2011, 07:19:14 PM
I don't like to base much of an opinion on pilots since more serious shows spend a good chunk of time setting up back story. I wasn bored by it and I think it's worth watching so far.

That's true.  Most shows do take some time to get 'up to speed'.  And, usually, I'll give a show a good 4-6 episodes before I make a decision on it.  In actuality, because it was borderline on what I might watch, I originally gave Fringe 14 episodes before I decided I liked it enough to guarantee I'd keep coming back, and currently it is one of the only shows I watch [prior to that 14th episode, where a much larger concept showed up, I'd described it to people as "basically a horror version of CSI"].

But, for instance, with 'Ringer', there was nothing at all that was of interest to me, and it seemed that everything that showed up was - actually - things I actively dislike viewing.  So I figured that was a safe bet to not bother with my usual 4-6 episodes.


Personally, I have not seen a sitcom that made me even smile pretty much since 'Home Improvement' (and that was freshly after my first head injury... so that might have been why I found it funny  ::)  [Watching it did, however, help re-teach me to read, as I would watch it in re-runs every day with the closed-captioning on, so I could hear what I was seeing.  I was not having trouble with hearing comprehension, but with the interpretation of certain visual input as being language.  {That's the best simple summary I can manage at present, basically it was a functional scotoma from the brain injury that ONLY affected written language and that I had to teach my brain to compensate for.}]).

NBC's Grimm.

And I'm not just saying that just because it's filmed in Portland, set in Portland, and I was a background extra for a day of filming on Episode 5...

It's also got David Greenwalt (Co-Executive Producer of Buffy and co-creator of Angel) on board, and just has a neat premise that fits Portland perfectly: http://nbc.com/grimm

Thanks!  I hadn't heard about 'Grimm'.  This is one I'll probably check out.  Hopefully it's more 'Buffy/Angel-like' horror (and with occasional humor) than it is police drama, just like the preview suggests.  Who (what? ;) ) are you in episode 5, so we can look for you?

I'd also planned on checking out 'Terra Nova', and probably will look at 'Once Upon A Time' as well [starts 10/23, ABC], though I wonder if the latter will be like DC Comics' 'Fables' (which I could never get into).  k1's mention of 'Person of Interest' reminded me: it sounds a bit like 'Majority Report', but potentially with less Tom Cruise-y acting ;) .  So I think I'll check it out as well.


Hopefully others are getting worthwhile ideas in this thread for things to add to their possible viewing, and hopefully it'll continue, as more of the Fall season gets underway.  [And once everything's been on for a while, hopefully this thread will get resurrected for mid-season replacements and any new Summer shows, and again for future year's new shows.]
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on September 25, 2011, 09:11:29 PM
The Aquabats Super Show starts up sometime in October on The Hub. I'm excited for that one.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 25, 2011, 10:21:50 PM
The Aquabats Super Show starts up sometime in October on The Hub. I'm excited for that one.

What's it about?  [Since I was hoping this thread would be more of a reference than an index.]
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 26, 2011, 04:10:54 AM
I liked New Girl, the comedy starring Zooey Deschanel.  It really all depends on your tolerance for her wackiness, though.


Good night,some gave her a sitcom.  Has she learned to emote yet,I swear the only thing I have ever seen her do is stare wide eyed at a camera and you can't build a sitcom around that.

She's a decent actress.  Don't let the performance in The Happening fool you... no one came out well in that film.

Well I was also thinking of her in Hellboy and Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy,I swear she did not blink once in any of those movies.

She's not in Hellboy.

Yeah she was,she was Hellboy's girlfriend who set everything on fire and never blinked.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 26, 2011, 04:47:28 AM
I saw an add for a new series on Fox called Teranova and it looks pretty good.

So place your bets,how many episodes do you think we will get before Fox cancels the show?  

If you guess right I will give you a $5 Rifftrax gift card.

So place your bets.

If it last beyond two seasons the contest is off.

Place your bets.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Bob on September 26, 2011, 05:05:14 AM
They will get a solid 6.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on September 26, 2011, 05:12:06 AM
If I recall, Spielberg is behind Terra Nova.  That at least should guarantee a bit of a chance with the network.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 26, 2011, 05:13:39 AM
So six episodes is taken by Bob.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on September 26, 2011, 06:33:43 AM
One full season.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on September 26, 2011, 06:36:04 AM
The Aquabats Super Show starts up sometime in October on The Hub. I'm excited for that one.

What's it about?  [Since I was hoping this thread would be more of a reference than an index.]

Basically a tv show created by the band The Aquabats. Looks like a mix of The Monkees meets Clerks Animated Series meets Power Rangers.  Silly kids show with humor adults can appreciate.

I started a thread on it with some clips I believe.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: doggans on September 26, 2011, 07:59:47 AM
I liked New Girl, the comedy starring Zooey Deschanel.  It really all depends on your tolerance for her wackiness, though.


Good night,some gave her a sitcom.  Has she learned to emote yet,I swear the only thing I have ever seen her do is stare wide eyed at a camera and you can't build a sitcom around that.

She's a decent actress.  Don't let the performance in The Happening fool you... no one came out well in that film.

Well I was also thinking of her in Hellboy and Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy,I swear she did not blink once in any of those movies.

She's not in Hellboy.

Yeah she was,she was Hellboy's girlfriend who set everything on fire and never blinked.

You mean Selma Blair?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Thrifty on September 26, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
I need to remember to watch the new Zooey Deschanel show.  She really has the dreamiest eyes.  I hope the show has merit too.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on September 26, 2011, 04:57:13 PM
I've been watching 2 new shows (in addition to my normal Fringe and Supernatural)

Unforgettable (with Poppy Montgomery... Tuesdays on some channel.)

Person of Interest (with Ben Linus and Jesus... created by Jonathan Nolan, who is the better of the Nolan brothers)

and one I plan to tune in for, once it starts....

Once Upon A Time (fairy tales in modern day or some shit like that....  by 2 of the main LOST writers.)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Bob on September 26, 2011, 05:16:17 PM
American Horror Story (October sometime) looks really odd and worth at least checking out for a bit
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on September 26, 2011, 06:00:40 PM
Alphas is another new one ive been watching. I like it.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 28, 2011, 06:31:11 PM
Terra Nova has now appeared.  I thought it has potential.  A LOT of early comparisons to both Avatar and Jurassic Park (and with a hint of 'LOST'), but still.  The most gratuitous one was
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
  And, honestly, with the way it was framed (in the story), I fully expected Stephen Lang's character to tell the new arrivals that, "everything out there wants to chew you up and shit you out!"   :D

But I suspect the show will last longer than we might have thought (before it aired).  I think it may go at least a couple seasons [and it may die at that point if they f*ck it up like they did with Spielberg's first TV foray: Dark Angel].  It may last as many as five seasons.  Of course, if they don't dig into the mysteries and conflicts they've set up right away, and keep working them each week, it won't last a 1/2 season.  So in the pool, you can put me down for both "13 episodes will be made, but they will only air 10", and for "five years".   ;D  Because it really does depend on if they follow through on what they set up in the first episode, and expand the show to include new stuff as well (because what they set up won't be enough to sustain more than a season or so).
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on September 29, 2011, 06:52:21 PM
Whitney has had a few fairly funny moments.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2011, 06:56:18 PM
Whitney has had a few fairly funny moments.

Is that a show about Whitney Houston in rehab?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Sideswipe on September 29, 2011, 08:22:22 PM
Whitney has had a few fairly funny moments.

Is that a show about Whitney Houston in rehab?


is UPN back on the air?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 29, 2011, 10:30:57 PM
Whitney has had a few fairly funny moments.

Is that a show about Whitney Houston in rehab?

is UPN back on the air?

Whitney Be Shakin' This Fall on UPN
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 30, 2011, 02:58:18 AM
Whitney has had a few fairly funny moments.

Is that a show about Whitney Houston in rehab?

is UPN back on the air?

Whitney Be Shakin' This Fall on UPN

... are YOU cruisin' for some bruisin'?  Tune in!
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: JimJ on September 30, 2011, 03:28:19 AM
My favorites so far are all comedies.  Up All Night, 2 Broke Girls and The New Girl were all good. I've heard good things about Suburgatory (though I seriously hate that fucking title) but I haven't watched it yet.  If it's good, ABC might finally have a decent comedy night with it, The Middle, Modern Family and Happy Endings. 

For drama, I really enjoyed the Revenge pilot (haven't watched the second one yet). It was fun, soapy goodness, with a real bitch of a villain.  Ringer is kind of in the same vein, but not as polished and with less interesting characters.  Prime Suspect was pretty decent.  Person of Interest was OK.  I'm really looking forward to Homeland and American Horror Story.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Thrifty on September 30, 2011, 06:53:20 AM
I really liked Modern Family at first, but that thing where characters talk to the camera is starting to bother me.  It seems like such a lazy way to work in jokes and exposition.

Also, Gloria is starting to piss me off.  She just has such a grating personality.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 30, 2011, 08:20:55 AM
I really liked Modern Family at first, but that thing where characters talk to the camera is starting to bother me.  It seems like such a lazy way to work in jokes and exposition.

Also, Gloria is starting to piss me off.  She just has such a grating personality.

I like the cutaways. They've provided some pretty great comedy on a number of shows. And I wouldn't call it exposition in the traditional sense of providing back-story. It's most often employed to enable the characters to provide analysis of events that have already occurred. And when it is used to provide back-story, it's usually accompanied with a funny montage of clips that would otherwise be impossible to fit in save for some cheesy Wayne's World flashback transition.

Anyway, I love this show. I think they've really hit the jackpot with this one. Incredible cast, endearing characters, and it's just funny as hell.

I do agree that Gloria can be a bit grating, although it's that quality that often sets up some of O'Neill's best stuff.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Thrifty on September 30, 2011, 08:24:14 AM
Yeah I dunno about Gloria.  Maybe I'm a sexist, but it always seems like when writers try to make a woman who's assertive or strong willed, she always comes off seeming like a bitch.

Besides, Claire is much hotter.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 30, 2011, 08:35:44 AM
Yeah I dunno about Gloria.  Maybe I'm a sexist, but it always seems like when writers try to make a woman who's assertive or strong willed, she always comes off seeming like a bitch.

Besides, Claire is much hotter.

Gloria's never really come off as a bitch to me. Assertive, overbearing, obnoxious, yes.

And yeah, Claire is amazing. She's definitely hot, but more than that, for me it's her character that ties everything together. You just get the feeling that to a certain extent she bears the stress and burdens of the entire cast.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Raefire on October 02, 2011, 08:28:04 AM
Grimm's premiere just got delayed to the 28th, by the way.

Also, the Grimm premiere got moved to the 28th, to note.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on October 02, 2011, 06:52:02 PM
So they got rid of Coach on New Girl? That blows. (Also Damon Wayans Jr. looks exactly like his dad)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 07, 2011, 09:34:07 PM
I'm digging Person of Interest. The leads are so strong that they carry the show even when the story isn't that strong. The story in the second episode was better and I'm hoping they continue to improve as the show goes on. They really hit the casting jackpot, though. Emerson couldn't be more perfect in that role.

The only thing that bugs me is the same thing that bugs me about a lot of television dramas. They have this really bad habit of having the characters restate what has just been revealed either through visuals or dialog. I hate this! It's like they assume everyone watching has the comprehension skills of a mollusk. Like when the characters discover something using one of those crazy crime-fighting computers, somebody always has to pipe up and exclaim what was just established. I just find this annoying and somewhat insulting. Some shows are worse than others. As a matter of fact, it's the frequency of this tactic that best clues me into the fact that I probably shouldn't be watching the show.

I imagine Jonathan Nolan really has to bite his tongue when he writes lines like that.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Artie on October 07, 2011, 10:16:53 PM
Everyone should be watching Parks and Recreation, it's not a new show but if you haven't seen it it's "New to You!" (Copyright NBC)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Thrifty on October 08, 2011, 12:16:24 PM
So they got rid of Coach on New Girl? That blows. (Also Damon Wayans Jr. looks exactly like his dad)
Did they?  I thought I remember seeing him on last week's episode, which was the 3rd and most recent.

That show is pretty much doomed.  Which is fine, because it's really not that good.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on October 08, 2011, 06:08:48 PM
That show is pretty much doomed.  Which is fine, because it's really not that good.

Wrong on both counts! It's been given a full season because of its early success and it's actually pretty decent, though almost entirely down to Zooey Deschanel's charisma at the moment.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Thrifty on October 08, 2011, 06:38:07 PM
That show is pretty much doomed.  Which is fine, because it's really not that good.

Wrong on both counts! It's been given a full season because of its early success and it's actually pretty decent, though almost entirely down to Zooey Deschanel's charisma at the moment.

Really?   Color me shocked.  Of course, I also said that Glee would be a dismal failure after all the hype leading up to its release, and I guess I was pretty far off base on that one.

But Zooey's really carrying that entire show.  None of the other characters are likable, unique, or interesting, and the stories sound like every other relationshippy sitcom out there.

Of course I will still watch every episode until my crush on her subsides.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on October 08, 2011, 08:20:12 PM
They should get Katy Perry as a guest star just to see how many male viewers pants explode.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 11, 2011, 01:53:58 PM
I'm digging Person of Interest, although still definitely bothered by the obligatory unnecessary, idiot-proof network TV drama dialogue . I though the third episode was the best episode as far as story. Caviezel has some real acting chops, and Emerson is awesome.


Another new show I've been watching is Homeland on Showtime. It's pretty damn good so far. It's kind of like The Manchurian Candidate meets 24. There is some very strong performances, mainly from Mandy Patankin and Damien Lewis. Morena Baccarin (Anna on V) is pretty strong as well. She also gets naked!  :o

I have mixed feelings about the Claire Danes character. For one thing, she's pretty unlikeable. The character is a little crazy and the performance attempts to convey it, sometimes successfully and other times a bit awkwardly. Claire Danes makes way too many weird facial expressions. It's a little distracting. I have the same problem (although to a much greater degree) with Jennifer Carpenter on Dexter.


I gave Terra Nova a shot and...NOPE!

Way too melodramatic and cheesy for me to be able to hang with it, so I'm nipping it in the bud. This show has a myriad of annoying elements, but first and foremost is the emo teen boy character. I can't stand 'em and this show features one right out of brooding central casting.


Up All Night is growing on me and I continue to stick with it. Arnett, Applegate, and Rudolph are all strong comedic talents.

I think I'm done with Free Agents. It's just too generic.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on October 11, 2011, 02:04:30 PM
I think I'm done with Free Agents. It's just too generic.

Free Agents is done with TV, too.  :)

I've watched a couple of episode of Suburgatory - it's pretty decent. 
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 11, 2011, 02:26:50 PM
I think I'm done with Free Agents. It's just too generic.

Free Agents is done with TV, too.  :)

I've watched a couple of episode of Suburgatory - it's pretty decent. 

Oh, it's canceled already? Well, good riddance to bad rubbish, then. I noticed NBC canned Mad Men with Rabbit Ears after only two episodes.  Nice try!  :D

I haven't watched Suburgatory . The previews looked kind of dumb, but maybe I'll give it a shot. Does it compare at all to something like Modern Family?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on October 11, 2011, 02:41:34 PM
Not really.  It's early, and I think it still needs to find its feet but all of the pieces are there.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on October 11, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
Another new show I've been watching is Homeland on Showtime. It's pretty damn good so far. It's kind of like The Manchurian Candidate meets 24. There is some very strong performances, mainly from Mandy Patankin and Damien Lewis. Morena Baccarin (Anna on V) is pretty strong as well. She also gets naked!

OK... with this alone I'll try it.  Actually, I'd planned on watching it when I first heard she had another series lined up so quickly after 'V' died, but I forgot about it.  I wasn't surprised she got hired so quick, because I think she's demonstrated amazing talent as an actor; some of the subtleties in her 'Inara' portrayal were simply amazing.  But I also think she is one of the most beautiful women currently in existence (tho didn't like her ultra-short hair on 'V'... much preferred her on 'Firefly'/'Serenity' [I was pleased that the hospital/heart-transplant series 'Heartland' that she was on died, because her character was such a peripheral part of it]).  [I bought the horrific film 'Death in Love' simply because of her roughly 2 1/2 minutes at the beginning walking around totally nude (as in 'no strategically placed anything').  I do not recommend watching past that point, though.]  Actually, because of her acting abilities I'd intended to try Homeland not knowing she'd be nude, despite it being a type of series [cop/procedural/'threat' show] that I don't care for... the nudity'll just be a bonus. :)  I hope it remains an integral part of the plots  ::) as pay channels have a habit of doing a 'premiere episode nude section' that disappears in subsequent episodes.  [Hey: I'm head injured; not DEAD!  ;D ]

[Edited (a lot) for clarity, as today [four hour doctor appointment followed by two hours of important errands... oh, and that was on 2 1/2 hours of sleep because I had to get up early for the doctor's appointment] fried my brain and my 'first draft' of this post didn't remotely say what I really meant.]
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 11, 2011, 10:04:55 PM
Another new show I've been watching is Homeland on Showtime. It's pretty damn good so far. It's kind of like The Manchurian Candidate meets 24. There is some very strong performances, mainly from Mandy Patankin and Damien Lewis. Morena Baccarin (Anna on V) is pretty strong as well. She also gets naked!

OK... with this alone I'll try it.  I think she's one of the most beautiful women currently in existence (tho didn't like her ultra-short hair on 'V'... much preferred her on 'Firefly'/'Serenity').  I bought the horrific film 'Death in Love' simple because of her roughly 2 1/2 minutes at the beginning walking around totally nude (as in 'no strategically placed anything').  Actually, I'd intended to try it regardless of if she were nude, as I think she's demonstrated amazing talent as an actor; some of the subtleties in her 'Inara' portrayal are simply amazing.

She looks waaay better with longer hair. I always thought she looked somewhat odd in V, and I haven't really watched Firefly. I keep meaning to watch Firefly, though.

Anyway, she's quite stunning with longer hair and she has such better material to work with on this show. Anna seemed pretty one-note whereas this character experiences a number of different and conflicting emotions. She really proves herself to be quite a good actress.
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Post by: LucasM on October 12, 2011, 01:21:16 AM
WTF?!?!

I just started watching the premiere episode of Homeland.  The very first briefing, where Clare Danes is late, has her sit down by an Asian woman (who moves over so Ms. Danes' character can sit without disturbing the briefing any more than she already has.

And I recognized the Asian woman:

It is 'W' the Equipment Expert - and, from what he said in the episode 'Behind the Eats', real life chiropractor - of Alton Brown on his series Good Eats!

UFB!
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Post by: ScottotD on October 12, 2011, 04:37:26 PM
That show is pretty much doomed.  Which is fine, because it's really not that good.

Wrong on both counts! It's been given a full season because of its early success and it's actually pretty decent, though almost entirely down to Zooey Deschanel's charisma at the moment.


I think the heartbroken guy is pretty good, the other two grew on me a lot in ep 3.
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 09:04:38 AM
Not really.  It's early, and I think it still needs to find its feet but all of the pieces are there.

Watched the first two episodes and I have to say, it isn't that bad. The previews really didn't do it justice. I will continue to watch.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on October 20, 2011, 08:21:06 PM
I don't want to know details, but is there a 'bigger story' to the plot of 'Person of Interest', or is it going to be a 'save-the-person-of-the-week-like-Bill-Bixby-in-The-Hulk-TV-show-from-the-70s' every week?  By 'bigger story' I mean: is there a larger plot thread that will drive the series in the future, such as how Fringe changed from a 'monster of the week' to a show where it all fit a much larger picture, or how 'Lost' was a 'big picture' show from the start, just doing mega-flashbacks to fill in how they got where they were as people, or how shows like Buffy and Angel had season-long storylines every year.

If 'Person of Interest' is - and will remain - a 'situation of the week', I'm already bored out of my mind with it.  If it has a bigger story to tell then I'll keep watching.  [And, again, I don't want to know what the 'bigger story' might be, just if there is/is going to be one.]

Thanks.
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Post by: k1 on October 20, 2011, 08:35:54 PM
I keep feeling like there will be, but right when I think they're going to get into it they don't.
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 20, 2011, 09:29:20 PM
that's a big advantage of t.v. shows over movies.  They can tell a deeper more developed story, it's annoying when they dont take that opportunity.
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 20, 2011, 10:15:23 PM
I'm starting to wonder about this myself. I enjoy the show, but it could really benefit from an underlying driving story element. The pursuit by the detective doesn't quite qualify as that. I really hope at some point they develop an adversarial relationship with a real shadowy government antagonist. There's plenty of opportunity to introduce that; the setup is there and the themes are there. For some reason, I don't think Nolan would be at all satisfied with just a week-to-week cop drama. I'd think he would aspire to something bigger and more meaningful than that.

I mean heck, even Hawaii Five-0 set up a fairly compelling underlying story that has driven the core of the show. I'd expect at least as much, if not a lot more, coming from someone with Nolan's creative talents. And yes, I watch Hawaii Five-0. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?  ;D
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Post by: LucasM on October 21, 2011, 01:48:33 AM
No, not here to fight about Hawaii 5-O.   ;D

The thing I keep thinking back to is an article I read (god knows where and god knows when [but I think within the last 2-3 years, and chances are either on-line or during a brief time where I subscribed to TV Guide before realizing that it was totally useless]) where broadcast stations were trying to get away from long-term series plots as they didn't think that the public 'liked' them.  The people in charge apparently believed that the majority of people want a show that has a certain status quo at the beginning, stuff happens, but the exact same status is exactly as much quo at the end.  ;)  You know: brain-dead television.

I hope that I'm wrong, but they may be pointing to series like 'Fringe' and saying, "see: here's a show with a long-term storyline, and look at how borderline the ratings are!"  [That, ignoring completely the fact that it is a 'fringe' genre (deep sub-atomic physics sci-fi, mixed with horror is hardly mainstream [though it should be  ;D ]).]  But it's possible I read that explanation more years ago than I thought, because I have this vague feeling that that may have been one of the reasons that was given as to why Fox so thoroughly f*cked Firefly in the @$$: they didn't want a show with long-term storylines.  [Then why did the idiots hire Whedon - the virtual KING of long-term storylines - to develop a show for them in the first place?  (Because they are brain-dead executives.)]
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Post by: TheUnabeefer on October 21, 2011, 03:20:15 PM
I also keep having a feeling they will get into a bigger story with Person of Interest.... They vaguely hint at something more having gone on with Ben Linus... and occasionally a much much darker history of Jesus there too....

The episode with Goodwin was a nice slight glimpse into the bigger picture.  I'm just hoping they're doing how Fringe did it, where the first half of the first season had little-to-no signs of anything larger and then BAM!!

I still have hopes for it.
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 21, 2011, 05:02:15 PM
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Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Invader_quirk on October 21, 2011, 05:32:45 PM
What's even worse than a drama that doesn't establish any sort of long-term story is one that ACTS like there's a long term story, but they have no intention of ending it until they're about to be cancelled. I need to believe the story is going somewhere or I lose interest. If it wants to have an impact, a drama should be planned to end, in my opinion.

Of course, networks don't like this for a few reasons. One is, apparently, that they don't think viewers like this. You'd think the incredible success of LOST would make them think otherwise. Maybe they're going off of things like The Event or Flash Forward, which failed because they just weren't very good. The other big reason they prefer a more episodic series to a long story is that if it isn't doing well, cancelling it essentially renders the show pointless because it can't end. They can't even go for DVD set sales at that point. Who wants to buy a story that never went anywhere (hint: the previous sentence is a great setup for a joke about Lost, naysayers!)? The other side of the coin is that if a long term, story-driven show is successful and making money, they don't want it to end. Basically, they forfeit some of their precious control over the show when it's designed to work toward a planned end.
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Post by: TheUnabeefer on October 21, 2011, 05:52:27 PM
What's even worse than a drama that doesn't establish any sort of long-term story is one that ACTS like there's a long term story, but they have no intention of ending it until they're about to be cancelled. I need to believe the story is going somewhere or I lose interest. If it wants to have an impact, a drama should be planned to end, in my opinion.

Of course, networks don't like this for a few reasons. One is, apparently, that they don't think viewers like this. You'd think the incredible success of LOST would make them think otherwise. Maybe they're going off of things like The Event or Flash Forward, which failed because they just weren't very good. The other big reason they prefer a more episodic series to a long story is that if it isn't doing well, cancelling it essentially renders the show pointless because it can't end. They can't even go for DVD set sales at that point. Who wants to buy a story that never went anywhere (hint: the previous sentence is a great setup for a joke about Lost, naysayers!)? The other side of the coin is that if a long term, story-driven show is successful and making money, they don't want it to end. Basically, they forfeit some of their precious control over the show when it's designed to work toward a planned end.

The problem with shows like The Event and FlashForward were that they were trying to be like Lost SECOND or THIRD season from the very get-go.  Lost for the first half of season one, the only real carrying story-arc was "Where the hell are we, and how to we leave?! ...and what's that monster thing?"  ....  The aforementioned failed shows simply tried to throw in all the mythology at once and overload with mystery, instead of ease into it.  Remember, it wasn't until about mid-way through season 1 of Lost that people started to realise that it wasn't just "Survivor, the drama"
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Post by: Invader_quirk on October 21, 2011, 06:00:31 PM
The problem with shows like The Event and FlashForward were that they were trying to be like Lost SECOND or THIRD season from the very get-go.  Lost for the first half of season one, the only real carrying story-arc was "Where the hell are we, and how to we leave?! ...and what's that monster thing?"  ....  The aforementioned failed shows simply tried to throw in all the mythology at once and overload with mystery, instead of ease into it.  Remember, it wasn't until about mid-way through season 1 of Lost that people started to realise that it wasn't just "Survivor, the drama"

Good observation. What Lost did well that the copies did not was establish the show as a character-based drama. The mysteries that arose provided strange and interesting scenarios for the characters and forced them to really think about their lives. In the end, the whole show was about the characters, while the Event and FlashForward were all about the crazy mystery, with the characters being there to essentially just show us around the plot.
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 21, 2011, 06:05:56 PM
What's even worse than a drama that doesn't establish any sort of long-term story is one that ACTS like there's a long term story, but they have no intention of ending it until they're about to be cancelled. I need to believe the story is going somewhere or I lose interest. If it wants to have an impact, a drama should be planned to end, in my opinion.

Of course, networks don't like this for a few reasons. One is, apparently, that they don't think viewers like this. You'd think the incredible success of LOST would make them think otherwise. Maybe they're going off of things like The Event or Flash Forward, which failed because they just weren't very good. The other big reason they prefer a more episodic series to a long story is that if it isn't doing well, cancelling it essentially renders the show pointless because it can't end. They can't even go for DVD set sales at that point. Who wants to buy a story that never went anywhere (hint: the previous sentence is a great setup for a joke about Lost, naysayers!)? The other side of the coin is that if a long term, story-driven show is successful and making money, they don't want it to end. Basically, they forfeit some of their precious control over the show when it's designed to work toward a planned end.

The problem with shows like The Event and FlashForward were that they were trying to be like Lost SECOND or THIRD season from the very get-go.  Lost for the first half of season one, the only real carrying story-arc was "Where the hell are we, and how to we leave?! ...and what's that monster thing?"  ....  The aforementioned failed shows simply tried to throw in all the mythology at once and overload with mystery, instead of ease into it.  Remember, it wasn't until about mid-way through season 1 of Lost that people started to realise that it wasn't just "Survivor, the drama"

I could be wrong, but I think this may have something to with the fact that networks have such quick trigger fingers when it comes to cancelling shows. LOST premiered seven years ago when there wasn't as much of a knee-jerk cancellation. I could be wrong, but it just seems like networks are so quick to cancel stuff nowadays. It's not uncommon now to see a show get cancelled after two episodes.

This seems especially apparent with sitcoms.  Think about how long it took Seinfeld to find its feet. If Seinfeld debuted in this day and age, I don't think it would've made it past season one. Sitcoms have to hit the ground at full speed now to survive. Think about how great shows like Parks and Recreation and Community were right out of the gate.

I would hate to think Person of Interest is being driven creatively by a fear of cancellation, but I wouldn't be completely surprised if that was the case given the current state of network television.
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 21, 2011, 06:12:07 PM
Yeah.  That's why I don't watch shows until they hit season two, although thats not even a guarantee it will be around to see it's potential.
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Post by: TheUnabeefer on October 21, 2011, 06:31:44 PM
I'm watching this week's Person of Interest.... I have to say that I like that he gets his ass beaten every so often... and isn't just some indestructible machine of a man.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on October 21, 2011, 07:35:35 PM
What's even worse than a drama that doesn't establish any sort of long-term story is one that ACTS like there's a long term story, but they have no intention of ending it until they're about to be cancelled. I need to believe the story is going somewhere or I lose interest. If it wants to have an impact, a drama should be planned to end, in my opinion.

Seconded!  There are a lot of other great points in all these posts on what works and doesn't.

Something I don't think I've seen discussed is that execs also appear to have a MASSIVE fear - that is based in how TV was provided to the public years ago, and is irrelevant today - that if a series has a larger story arc, that they cannot get additional viewers to join in watching.  And so they think that if they don't have a massive viewership immediately, they will never GET one.

The execs are still thinking in terms of shows being aired once (with possibly a single re-run) and then are gone.  Today, many, if not most, (if not all?), shows are available on-line to view in order to catch up with a show one came in on the middle of that looked interesting.

Lost proved that the ancient-thinking execs are wrong.  Initially I thought that Lost was 'Survivor-the Scripted' so never gave it a try, but I decided (from what my Internist was telling me [cool guy!]) that Lost would be worth a look.  But the show was nearly at the end of the third season by that point!  I didn't watch any of the last 3-4 episodes of the season (knowing it was a single story).  Then a friend bought me the first season, and by part-way through watching the second episode I ordered the second season from Amazon, and pre-ordered the third.  And I didn't miss an episode from the start of the fourth season on.

TV execs are thinking in terms of the way things were when I was a kid: one airing of shows with the season running 24-26 episodes, followed the rest of the year by those episodes running a second time in order.  No VCRs, no DVR, no online 'airing' of episodes (no 6-8 week gap around December!).  If that were still the case today, Lost - or any large, single-story show - would've been far more difficult to step into in later seasons, so people would not bother to start watching at all if they missed the first run (or the reruns) of a show when it began.


In addition to a series-long story is something that I like that happened with Joss Whedon's shows: while there was a larger picture, each season was complete in and of itself (e.g. Buffy and Angel, as they were the only series to be allowed to progress as planned).  Each season had a beginning, a middle, and an end.  [I despise cliffhanger endings to seasons!  If I like the friggin' show, I'm coming back regardless, if I was borderline on watching it, a cliffhanger season ending is more likely to piss me off enough to give up on it; the opposite of what execs think happens.]  But back to Whedon's shows' seasons: they were all VERY clear-cut.  Yes, some (many) plot-points were revived in subsequent seasons, but each season could stand on its own as a unit if one did not watch the surrounding seasons.  The whole (series) was much bigger than the parts (seasons), but each part worked independently.


The other side of the coin is that if a long term, story-driven show is successful and making money, they don't want it to end. Basically, they forfeit some of their precious control over the show when it's designed to work toward a planned end.

And I think that TV execs want to THINK they are creative and know 'what's best' and so they want to tinker with a show [again: see Firefly's history about the execs trying to f*ck with plots].  The fact is, TV execs tend to know precisely nothing about creativity and what works.  An example of this is the difference between the creativity of 1940s Warners short cartoons versus those of MGM and Disney.  At Warners, the cartoon clan was able to do basically what they pleased, and they were trusted to be creative.  They created what was funny to THEM, and because of that, others enjoyed them.  Those cartoons are every bit as amusing today as they were 70 years ago!  Both MGM and Disney had more 'corporate cartoons' where the executive control over the cartoonists rendered the vast majority of them unwatchable (to me, at least).


[By the length of this: can anyone who knows me guess how far past my limits I am right now?  :) ]
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 10:07:33 PM
Dexter was really damn good tonight.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on October 25, 2011, 03:44:17 PM
I watched the first episode of Once Upon A Time (created and written by one of the main Lost duo of writers.... the two who wrote the important episodes when Darlton didn't.... Kirtsis and Horowitz or something)

It seems pretty good... Hard to base off what obviously was the pilot and story-setter, but I like what I've seen so far.  I hope it sticks.  Apparently it had good ratings...
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Post by: TeamRAD on October 27, 2011, 06:24:06 AM

Most definitely, Homeland. Claire Danes is just killing it, and Damian Lewis as well. It's been an absolute thrill to watch w/ Breaking Bad just recently finishing its fourth season.

I'm also going to fire-up Cinemax's Strike Back ride this coming weekend.

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Post by: RVR II on October 27, 2011, 08:19:21 AM
The resurrection of Beavis and Butthead starts tonight 10 or 10:30pm EST on MTV 8)
I AM THERE!! :o
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Post by: k1 on October 29, 2011, 05:33:18 PM
Just started watching Man Up.  Got a few chuckles out of the pilot.
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 31, 2011, 01:52:53 AM
Allen Gregory. This was about as bad as I thought it would be. It's just not funny, and Jonah Hill is more annoying than anything. I guess it's nice to have a show not created by MacFarlane, and I prefer it to The Cleveland Show, but that's like saying you prefer Pero to a cup of hot liquid shit.
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Post by: shodan on October 31, 2011, 03:03:16 AM
Allen Gregory. This was about as bad as I thought it would be. It's just not funny, and Jonah Hill is more annoying than anything. I guess it's nice to have a show not created by MacFarlane, and I prefer it to The Cleveland Show, but that's like saying you prefer Pero to a cup of hot liquid shit.
i thought it looked stupid. but then again i thought that about bob's burgers but i liked that.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 01, 2011, 05:31:50 PM
The last episode of Homeland was pretty intense. The acting on this show really stands out. BUT, why did she cut her hair??? She looks like Anna again. Not quite as creepy, but I was very aware of it and a little distracted. I'll have to get used to it. I just think she looks so much better with longer hair.
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Post by: Bob on November 01, 2011, 06:56:47 PM
I watched the first episode of Once Upon A Time (created and written by one of the main Lost duo of writers.... the two who wrote the important episodes when Darlton didn't.... Kirtsis and Horowitz or something)

It seems pretty good... Hard to base off what obviously was the pilot and story-setter, but I like what I've seen so far.  I hope it sticks.  Apparently it had good ratings...

Interesting that there are two new shows this year (Grimm) about fairy tales.
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Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 01, 2011, 07:51:26 PM
I watched the first episode of Once Upon A Time (created and written by one of the main Lost duo of writers.... the two who wrote the important episodes when Darlton didn't.... Kirtsis and Horowitz or something)

It seems pretty good... Hard to base off what obviously was the pilot and story-setter, but I like what I've seen so far.  I hope it sticks.  Apparently it had good ratings...

Interesting that there are two new shows this year (Grimm) about fairy tales.

I've watched 2 episodes of OUAT and the 1 epiosde of Grimm that's aired so far....  I know I don't technically have to "pick one" considering I can (and will) easily watch both, but I have to admit that I like Once Upon A Time MUCH more than Grimm so far.  It just seems more magical and interesting... and isn't overwhelmed with horrible special effects so far.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on November 01, 2011, 09:07:37 PM
I watched the first episode of Once Upon A Time (created and written by one of the main Lost duo of writers.... the two who wrote the important episodes when Darlton didn't.... Kirtsis and Horowitz or something)

It seems pretty good... Hard to base off what obviously was the pilot and story-setter, but I like what I've seen so far.  I hope it sticks.  Apparently it had good ratings...

Interesting that there are two new shows this year (Grimm) about fairy tales.

I've watched 2 episodes of OUAT and the 1 epiosde of Grimm that's aired so far....  I know I don't technically have to "pick one" considering I can (and will) easily watch both, but I have to admit that I like Once Upon A Time MUCH more than Grimm so far.  It just seems more magical and interesting... and isn't overwhelmed with horrible special effects so far.

So far (one whole episode under our collective belts), Grimm seems like, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: As A Guy" [not that there's anything wrong with that (and given Greenwalt's presence, not a total surprise) except that without the trademark Whedon humor, it might get pretty tedious after a very short while], while OUAT seems to be - like you said - more 'magical'.  And, given that we've seen that Rumplestiltskin [spoiler for show content as seen thus far, particularly in episode 2]
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
it could get quite interesting indeed!

Thus far, I'll likely continue to watch both.

Oh, and...
Homeland...  why did she cut her hair??? She looks like Anna again. Not quite as creepy, but I was very aware of it and a little distracted. I'll have to get used to it. I just think she looks so much better with longer hair.

Agreed!  'Inara' ;) shouldn't have short hair!
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on November 02, 2011, 03:34:45 AM
The pilot episode of Grimm was pretty bad, IMO.  It's a police procedural with fairytale elements starring a cut-rate Brandon Routh (I don't know how that's possible).  Given the pedigree of the people behind it, I'm willing to give it another shot, but OUAT is a much better approach to the whole fairytale thing.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Bob on November 02, 2011, 06:47:05 AM
I have hopes GRIMM will pick up.
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 02, 2011, 10:22:12 AM
Well, the Person of Interest subplot just got a bit more interesting and shows potential for something bigger. Am I wrong in assuming Mr. Reese is the son of the murdered Elias woman?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 02, 2011, 10:48:03 AM
Well, the Person of Interest subplot just got a bit more interesting and shows potential for something bigger. Am I wrong in assuming Mr. Reese is the son of the murdered Elias woman?

I was thinking Ben Linus might have been...
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 02, 2011, 11:33:34 AM
Well, the Person of Interest subplot just got a bit more interesting and shows potential for something bigger. Am I wrong in assuming Mr. Reese is the son of the murdered Elias woman?

I was thinking Ben Linus might have been...

Hmm, I guess that's a possibility, but to me the picture of the kid looked like a boy who would more likely grow up to look like Jesus than Ben Linus.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 02, 2011, 12:24:30 PM
Well, the Person of Interest subplot just got a bit more interesting and shows potential for something bigger. Am I wrong in assuming Mr. Reese is the son of the murdered Elias woman?

I was thinking Ben Linus might have been...

Hmm, I guess that's a possibility, but to me the picture of the kid looked like a boy who would more likely grow up to look like Jesus than Ben Linus.

True, but the job was run for someone whose face we didn't see (as far as I can recall)... and even then, I thought it might have been Ben.

Maybe it was really John Locke!!!
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on November 03, 2011, 05:38:39 AM
But he is off solving crime on Hawaii Five-o
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 03, 2011, 07:56:03 AM
But he is off solving crime on Hawaii Five-o

Aha! So, I'm not the only one watching.
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Post by: mrbasehart on November 03, 2011, 08:59:56 AM
I lost interest in Hawaii 5-0 when they reveal Alex Mack as a traitor working with The Crow.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on November 03, 2011, 10:10:12 AM
But he is off solving crime on Hawaii Five-o

Aha! So, I'm not the only one watching.

It's worth it just for the occasional flying tackle into the side of a dumpster. :D
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Bob on November 03, 2011, 10:52:34 AM
But he is off solving crime on Hawaii Five-o

Aha! So, I'm not the only one watching.

It's worth it just for the occasional flying tackle into the side of a dumpster. :D


Once they start karate kicking the bad guy into the trunk of a car (ala Dolemite), then call me.

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Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 03, 2011, 01:38:06 PM
I lost interest in Hawaii 5-0 when they reveal Alex Mack as a traitor working with The Crow.

That must be the "secret world of Alex Mack" then, eh?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Russell on November 06, 2011, 10:15:16 PM
Dexter kicked ASS tonight! It was probably the best show in a LONG time. If you get Showtime, seriously... check it out.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on November 07, 2011, 06:01:47 AM
Think I'm done with Grimm after watching its second episode and finding it just as lifeless and uninteresting as the first. 
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 07, 2011, 07:30:49 AM
Think I'm done with Grimm after watching its second episode and finding it just as lifeless and uninteresting as the first. 

I am about to watch it, pretty much expecting to come to the same conclusion.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Bob on November 07, 2011, 04:50:30 PM
Think I'm done with Grimm after watching its second episode and finding it just as lifeless and uninteresting as the first. 

I am about to watch it, pretty much expecting to come to the same conclusion.

I kinda like it so far.    Really depends on how in plays out
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: shodan on November 07, 2011, 04:59:52 PM
Treehouse of horror 22 was good.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on November 07, 2011, 05:37:18 PM
Think I'm done with Grimm after watching its second episode and finding it just as lifeless and uninteresting as the first. 
I am about to watch it, pretty much expecting to come to the same conclusion.
I kinda like it so far.    Really depends on how in plays out

I'm going to give it another couple weeks.  There's still no indication of how much it'll be 'fish out of water cop' [as it is now] and Buffy-esque 'chosen one' stuff as the Aunt's behavior especially in the first episode suggested.  From the Aunt's martial arts and weapons training, and her 'Vampyre' book - er, journal - I still expect it'll be more of a Buffy-as-a-guy show as it continues.  [I guess it depends on how much input Greenwalt had in it's 'creation/sustained direction'.]  But if it doesn't start indicating something OTHER than a police procedural 'with a twist' soon, it won't have the chance to become that, as it'll be cancelled first.


In a related note, I'm close to stopping watching 'Once Upon A Time'.  There's just too little going on... or rather, there's a lot going on, very little of which seems worth my time.


In an UNrelated note, the 'real-life/police/war/subversive-/invasive-whatever' of 'Homeland' is beginning to outweigh my enjoyment of watching Morena Baccarin, and I may quit watching it.  There, too, there's very little happening to take up so much of my time and concentration.


Related to that, I'm still on the fence about continuing 'Person of Interest'.  There's been seven episodes, and little indication that they'll ever explore anything bigger than the Bill Bixby/Hulk 'person in crisis of the week' show.  And not having a 'bigger picture' bores me to tears (well, 'bores me to change channels'  ;) ).
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 07, 2011, 05:45:10 PM
Think I'm done with Grimm after watching its second episode and finding it just as lifeless and uninteresting as the first. 

I am about to watch it, pretty much expecting to come to the same conclusion.

I kinda like it so far.    Really depends on how in plays out

I may stick it out a few more weeks... especially now that the aunt is dead.  She was the worst.  I cringed every time she spoke.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: DysfunctionalElectricMonk on November 07, 2011, 08:30:22 PM
Treehouse of horror 22 was good.

unless you managed to catch the first five Treehouse Of Horrors in syndication on the week before Halloween and realize exactly how far the Simpsons have fallen.

It saddens me every week when I watch the new Simpsons and Family Guy and feel that maybe it is really time to end both of them. I still enjoy them for the most part, but they both used to be brilliant...now....eh not so much. :-[
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Russell on November 07, 2011, 10:02:04 PM
Treehouse of horror 22 was good.
unless you managed to catch the first five Treehouse Of Horrors in syndication on the week before Halloween and realize exactly how far the Simpsons have fallen.
It saddens me every week when I watch the new Simpsons and Family Guy and feel that maybe it is really time to end both of them. I still enjoy them for the most part, but they both used to be brilliant...now....eh not so much. :-[
You know how far the Simpsons has fallen? it's fallen so far that even I could write it these days.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: shodan on November 08, 2011, 07:41:08 AM
Treehouse of horror 22 was good.
unless you managed to catch the first five Treehouse Of Horrors in syndication on the week before Halloween and realize exactly how far the Simpsons have fallen.
It saddens me every week when I watch the new Simpsons and Family Guy and feel that maybe it is really time to end both of them. I still enjoy them for the most part, but they both used to be brilliant...now....eh not so much. :-[
You know how far the Simpsons has fallen? it's fallen so far that even I could write it these days.
i maintain the fact that i enjoy both of those shows currently and have seen them in their entirety. they don't fall, they just change over time.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Raefire on November 08, 2011, 09:06:05 AM
Think I'm done with Grimm after watching its second episode and finding it just as lifeless and uninteresting as the first. 

I am about to watch it, pretty much expecting to come to the same conclusion.

I kinda like it so far.    Really depends on how in plays out

I'd give Grimm its initial order of 9 episodes. If it doesn't pick up by then, then I say dump it. But I really hope it succeeds. The show's crew members are so much nicer to the extras here in Portland as opposed to the Leverage crew. Plus, I just want a show set in Portland to succeed.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Invader_quirk on November 08, 2011, 10:31:08 AM
i maintain the fact that i enjoy both of those shows currently and have seen them in their entirety. they don't fall, they just change over time.

Hey, change is fine. The problem for most is not a tonal shift, it's that it's not funny to them anymore.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: shodan on November 08, 2011, 10:34:28 AM
you see that's weird to me, i laugh my ass off at  most of the new episodes.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 08, 2011, 08:09:47 PM
I lost interest in Hawaii 5-0 when they reveal Alex Mack as a traitor working with The Crow.

That was just...weird. They throw some HUGE twist at you out of nowhere and they've had zero follow-up ever since. It's almost as if the writers forgot they ever wrote it.

But he is off solving crime on Hawaii Five-o

Aha! So, I'm not the only one watching.

It's worth it just for the occasional flying tackle into the side of a dumpster. :D

Flying tackles are the order of day. The flying tackle off the boat deck into the barrels is my favorite so far.

In an UNrelated note, the 'real-life/police/war/subversive-/invasive-whatever' of 'Homeland' is beginning to outweigh my enjoyment of watching Morena Baccarin, and I may quit watching it.  There, too, there's very little happening to take up so much of my time and concentration.

Related to that, I'm still on the fence about continuing 'Person of Interest'.  There's been seven episodes, and little indication that they'll ever explore anything bigger than the Bill Bixby/Hulk 'person in crisis of the week' show.  And not having a 'bigger picture' bores me to tears (well, 'bores me to change channels'  ;) ).

On Homeland, I'm being pretty patient as the acting and intense atmosphere have kept me locked into each episode. I'm really caught up in the drama of this one.

I really hope Person of Interest delves deeper into the subplot so it can be a much more important and meaningful aspect of the show.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 09, 2011, 10:20:07 AM
Officially done with Allen Gregory after two episodes. This show is trying too hard and the majority of it falls flat on its face. It's just not funny.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Bob on November 09, 2011, 10:54:19 AM
Finally saw last week's Once Upon a Time...........ugh.    Terrible episode.    Hopefully that was just a mistep.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 22, 2011, 04:37:41 AM
Parkman and Hiro reunited on Hawaii Five-O! Complete with whimsical "get it?" music. Kinda made me miss early season Heroes. And seeing Jin on the show every week makes me miss LOST. Seeing actors from your favorite cancelled shows can give you pangs of nostalgia.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 22, 2011, 11:26:06 AM
NBC Orders 2 More Eps. Of ‘Up All Night’ (http://www.deadline.com/2011/11/nbc-orders-2-more-eps-of-up-all-night/)

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NBC has added 2 more episodes to the Back 9 order of freshman comedy Up All Night, bringing the series’ total first-season order to 24 episodes. This is the latest vote of confidence by NBC for the show starring Christina Applegate, following the early full-season pickup and the recent time slot upgrade. Beginning Jan. 12, Up All Night is moving from its current Wednesday 8 PM slot to the cushy post-The Office 9:30 PM berth on Thursday. With Up All Night prominently factoring into NBC’s scheduling plans for the rest of the season, the network has opted to up its order, something normally reserved for top performers, like NBC’s flagship comedy series The Office, whose last 3 seasons spanned between 24-26 episodes.

This seems like a good news/foreboding news scenario. I've been enjoying Up All Night and am rooting for it to succeed, but not at the expense of Community. Moving this to Thursdays seems like a pretty bad sign. Why the fuck can't NBC leave Thursday alone and just shove one their development shows in behind Up All Night. How lame is it that The Biggest Loser eats up two-thirds of the prime-time schedule on Wednesdays while shows like Community are pulled?

 :grr:

NBC Buys Jim Henson Co’s Hybrid Human-Puppet Family Comedy (http://www.deadline.com/2011/11/nbc-buys-hybrid-human-puppet-family-comedy-from-the-jim-henson-co/)

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On the eve of the new Muppets movie opening on Wednesday, the Jim Henson Co. has set up another hybrid human-puppet project, this time on primetime TV. NBC has closed a script deal for The New Nabors, a comedy about a human family and the repercussions they encounter living next door to a family of puppets. NBC, of course, had success in the human-puppet family sitcom arena with Alf in the late 1980s. Feature writer John Hoffman (Fox 2000′s Afterlife) and 30 Rock executive producer John Riggi will write the script for The New Nabors, which they developed with Lisa Henson and The Jim Henson Co. (I hear the spelling of the show’s title is an homage to actor-singer Jim Nabors.) Lisa Henson, Hoffman and Riggi are executive producing, with longtime Henson producer Alex Rockwell also attached. CAA-repped Hoffman and UTA-repped Riggi are managed by Anonymous. Puppets have been off the major broadcast networks for awhile, with Fox’s underrated single-camera comedy Greg The Bunny as the most recent example.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on November 22, 2011, 11:58:21 AM

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Puppets have been off the major broadcast networks for awhile....

The only reason they can say this is because of the qualifier "broadcast".  Because they couldn't possibly ignore all the presenters on FOX News.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on November 22, 2011, 05:19:30 PM
Up All Night is one of those shows that kinda... I dunno.  It's occasionally really funny & I can relate to parts of it being an exhausted parent which makes some parts even funnier.  But for the most part the show isn't really doing anything for me.  I want to like it, but I keep finding myself really hardly paying attention while I'm watching it.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 22, 2011, 05:31:33 PM
Up All Night is one of those shows that kinda... I dunno.  It's occasionally really funny & I can relate to parts of it being an exhausted parent which makes some parts even funnier.  But for the most part the show isn't really doing anything for me.  I want to like it, but I keep finding myself really hardly paying attention while I'm watching it.

I would agree to a certain extent. It's not great, but it's good for some laughs and genuine moments. Granted, when it comes to television comedy, my standards have been significantly whittled down over the years, which makes me watch shows like this and wonder why on earth NBC would pull a brilliant show like Community in favor of a completely unwatchable show like Whitney. I mean, Up All Night is tens times better that Whitney. The shit just doesn't make sense to me.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on November 22, 2011, 06:20:56 PM
oh god... Whitney was beyond awful... even for my wife, who tends to be very forgiving when it comes to sitcoms. We watched the first three, because lots of pilot episodes don't quite click.. but it just kept getting worse. My wife tells me "Up All Night" has hit a decent little stride, but I haven't seen anything past the pilot.

Another show that has it's moments, but is probably already cancelled, is "Man Up!" on ABC. Probably not worth seeking out, as I'm pretty sure it's going nowhere as far as renewal. We were looking for Modern Family on the ABC on-demand channel, and watched it when we realized Modern Family was above such commoner slums as the ABC on-demand channel....
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 22, 2011, 06:38:15 PM
oh god... Whitney was beyond awful... even for my wife, who tends to be very forgiving when it comes to sitcoms. We watched the first three, because lots of pilot episodes don't quite click.. but it just kept getting worse. My wife tells me "Up All Night" has hit a decent little stride, but I haven't seen anything past the pilot.

Another show that has it's moments, but is probably already cancelled, is "Man Up!" on ABC. Probably not worth seeking out, as I'm pretty sure it's going nowhere as far as renewal. We were looking for Modern Family on the ABC on-demand channel, and watched it when we realized Modern Family was above such commoner slums as the ABC on-demand channel....

Whitney is worthless barge garbage. The fact that NBC would even consider keeping this pathetic showcase for a hack comic on in favor of Community is so far beyond my capacity for reason. But enough about Community. Modern Family is so many levels above any other comedy on ABC that I sometimes forget it's an ABC show. Suburgatory hangs in there but suffers from some formulaic traps and doesn't deliver on anywhere near the levels of Modern Family.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Raefire on November 22, 2011, 06:42:01 PM
Grimm just got a full season order too (whoo! Go Portland!), and apparently they're testing it on Thursday @ 10:00 (at least, on December 8th - dunno about after that.)

Sounds like they're confident in that show. I know I'm enjoying it so far, even though it's still finding its footing.

Whitney still befuddles me, like Workaholics on Comedy Central. I mean, I like Whitney Cummings on Chelsea Lately and such, but the sitcom...Ugh. I'm still wondering how both those shows are still on the air.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on November 22, 2011, 07:42:59 PM
Man Up has some pretty funny moments.  But I agree that it probably won't be around for very long.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on November 23, 2011, 12:54:40 AM
The reason why Whitney is being considered over Community isn't because of the relative qualities of the show, it's mostly down to its ratings.  Community gets a 1.6, which would've gotten it cancelled in its first season on any other network, but NBC kept it around because a) the people who like it, really like it and b) they had nothing else.  Whitney, with Community's terrible lead-in pulls a 1.9.  Not much better, but when you consider that everyone who's going to give Community a chance has had 3 years to do do, while Whitney still has a chance to break through, it's not hard to see the arguments made by TV executives. 

We shouldn't be mad at NBC - I'm sure they'd love to see Community succeed more than we do, it's just a pity that more viewers don't feel the same way.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 23, 2011, 04:04:26 AM
The reason why Whitney is being considered over Community isn't because of the relative qualities of the show, it's mostly down to its ratings.  Community gets a 1.6, which would've gotten it cancelled in its first season on any other network, but NBC kept it around because a) the people who like it, really like it and b) they had nothing else.  Whitney, with Community's terrible lead-in pulls a 1.9.  Not much better, but when you consider that everyone who's going to give Community a chance has had 3 years to do do, while Whitney still has a chance to break through, it's not hard to see the arguments made by TV executives. 

We shouldn't be mad at NBC - I'm sure they'd love to see Community succeed more than we do, it's just a pity that more viewers don't feel the same way.

THE RATINGS SYSTEM IS A BUNCH OF ANTIQUATED MOTHERFUCKING BULLSHIT!!! TV EXECUTIVES NEED TO PULL THEIR COLLECTIVE HEAD OUT OF THEIR MOTHERFUCKING ASS!!!

I AM MAD AT NBC!!! MADDDDDDDDDD!!!

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Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: shodan on November 23, 2011, 07:42:44 AM
what the f*ck is Whitney?
*looks it up*
who the f*ck is Whitney Cummings?
*looks her up*
who the f*ck is Whitney Cummings?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 23, 2011, 02:28:00 PM
The reason why Whitney is being considered over Community isn't because of the relative qualities of the show, it's mostly down to its ratings.  Community gets a 1.6, which would've gotten it cancelled in its first season on any other network, but NBC kept it around because a) the people who like it, really like it and b) they had nothing else.  Whitney, with Community's terrible lead-in pulls a 1.9.  Not much better, but when you consider that everyone who's going to give Community a chance has had 3 years to do do, while Whitney still has a chance to break through, it's not hard to see the arguments made by TV executives. 

We shouldn't be mad at NBC - I'm sure they'd love to see Community succeed more than we do, it's just a pity that more viewers don't feel the same way.

Once again, ratings don't equal viewers or fans......  Maybe it did many many years ago, but it doesn't anymore.

30 Rock would have been cancelled years ago too, but was only saved due to Sarah Palin.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on November 23, 2011, 02:48:57 PM
Once again, ratings don't equal viewers or fans......  Maybe it did many many years ago, but it doesn't anymore.

We know that.  I'm sure some people at NBC know that, but advertisers still look at ratings when considering placing ads.  There are more factors entering into the equation nowadays, with things like TIVO, and sites like Hulu, but there still seems to be resistance because companies aren't sure they can make their money there yet.

I wasn't sure about 30 Rock's numbers, but a quick looks seems to say that they're much better than Whitney or Community. 
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 23, 2011, 02:56:07 PM
I wasn't sure about 30 Rock's numbers, but a quick looks seems to say that they're much better than Whitney or Community. 

I remember them being about how Community is now back before Palin put Tina Fey into the limelight....  Good following but low ratings.  Right around the time of the writer's strike too, actually.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on November 23, 2011, 03:12:47 PM
I wasn't sure about 30 Rock's numbers, but a quick looks seems to say that they're much better than Whitney or Community. 

I remember them being about how Community is now back before Palin put Tina Fey into the limelight....  Good following but low ratings.  Right around the time of the writer's strike too, actually.

It certainly helped, but 30 Rock has been more successful in its lowest season than Community in its highest.  What's more worrying is that Community look like its lost viewers over the course of its 3 year run,  averaging 5 million viewers in its first season, 4.4 in its second, and last week's episode got just 3.49 million.  Unless NBC see some significant upticks over the next few episodes, then it won't really be surprising if Community is cancelled. 
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 23, 2011, 03:39:16 PM
It certainly helped, but 30 Rock has been more successful in its lowest season than Community in its highest.  What's more worrying is that Community look like its lost viewers over the course of its 3 year run,  averaging 5 million viewers in its first season, 4.4 in its second, and last week's episode got just 3.49 million.  Unless NBC see some significant upticks over the next few episodes, then it won't really be surprising if Community is cancelled. 

I have a feeling the backlash from their "delay" and the fact that NBC had to scramble to state it has NOT been cancelled (yet) has NBC knowing that there are some rabid fans.... and will at least afford them one more season.  And since Harmon apparently wanted to do 4 seasons, that could at least get us to the end of the show properly.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Bob on November 23, 2011, 04:52:36 PM
If Community gets cancelled I want the credit as I have never seen an episode.

I CRUSH your enjoyments....
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 23, 2011, 04:54:42 PM
If Community gets cancelled I want the credit as I have never seen an episode.

I CRUSH your enjoyments....

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Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on November 23, 2011, 05:13:36 PM
It certainly helped, but 30 Rock has been more successful in its lowest season than Community in its highest.  What's more worrying is that Community look like its lost viewers over the course of its 3 year run,  averaging 5 million viewers in its first season, 4.4 in its second, and last week's episode got just 3.49 million.  Unless NBC see some significant upticks over the next few episodes, then it won't really be surprising if Community is cancelled. 

I have a feeling the backlash from their "delay" and the fact that NBC had to scramble to state it has NOT been cancelled (yet) has NBC knowing that there are some rabid fans.... and will at least afford them one more season.  And since Harmon apparently wanted to do 4 seasons, that could at least get us to the end of the show properly.

There's also the fact that if it does go another season, it'll reach the episode quota for syndication, which would probably make NBC a good bit of money. 
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on November 23, 2011, 07:16:28 PM
[re: Community]
I have a feeling the backlash from their "delay" and the fact that NBC had to scramble to state it has NOT been cancelled (yet) has NBC knowing that there are some rabid fans.... and will at least afford them one more season.  And since Harmon apparently wanted to do 4 seasons, that could at least get us to the end of the show properly.

There's also the fact that if it does go another season, it'll reach the episode quota for syndication, which would probably make NBC a good bit of money. 

[I, like Bob, have never seen an episode of Community (and don't intend to), but I don't wish ill will to those that do watch (so: no torches and pitchforks, please ;) ).  That said... to the italicized part of TheUnabeefer's comment and to the above:]
That's possible, but these days I think that execs look at the intensity of the fanbase for shows far more than they used to - possibly more than syndication rights - because now they start to factor in "how many sets of the DVDs do we think we can sell?" as that can be as lucrative as advertising/syndication dollars (or for some shows possibly more so, I don't know).
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 23, 2011, 07:22:31 PM
[re: Community]
I have a feeling the backlash from their "delay" and the fact that NBC had to scramble to state it has NOT been cancelled (yet) has NBC knowing that there are some rabid fans.... and will at least afford them one more season.  And since Harmon apparently wanted to do 4 seasons, that could at least get us to the end of the show properly.

There's also the fact that if it does go another season, it'll reach the episode quota for syndication, which would probably make NBC a good bit of money. 

[I, like Bob, have never seen an episode of Community (and don't intend to), but I don't wish ill will to those that do watch (so: no torches and pitchforks, please ;) ).  That said... to the italicized part of TheUnabeefer's comment and to the above:]
That's possible, but these days I think that execs look at the intensity of the fanbase for shows far more than they used to - possibly more than syndication rights - because now they start to factor in "how many sets of the DVDs do we think we can sell?" as that can be as lucrative as advertising/syndication dollars (or for some shows possibly more so, I don't know).

It's a pretty intense fucking base, as has been evidenced on this forum and in innerweb movements. And why do you not intend to even give this show a chance?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on November 23, 2011, 08:07:41 PM
The syndication thing has some merit.  Look how long Fox(?) dragged out 'Til Death, even going as far as to change cast members for one character, then make jokes about it, and pretty much just rip on how ridiculously bad the show had become.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 23, 2011, 08:11:17 PM
I could understand someone watching an episode or two and then deciding they just aren't into it (or it's not for them, etc)... but I just can't wrap my head around someone just flat out deciding to never even watch a single episode of the show.  Did Chevy Chase kill your dad or something?

Community is the best comedy show to hit TV since Newsradio (and is on par with it IMO).  There, I said it.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: shodan on November 23, 2011, 08:31:14 PM
[re: Community]
I have a feeling the backlash from their "delay" and the fact that NBC had to scramble to state it has NOT been cancelled (yet) has NBC knowing that there are some rabid fans.... and will at least afford them one more season.  And since Harmon apparently wanted to do 4 seasons, that could at least get us to the end of the show properly.

There's also the fact that if it does go another season, it'll reach the episode quota for syndication, which would probably make NBC a good bit of money. 

[I, like Bob, have never seen an episode of Community (and don't intend to), but I don't wish ill will to those that do watch (so: no torches and pitchforks, please ;) ).  That said... to the italicized part of TheUnabeefer's comment and to the above:]
That's possible, but these days I think that execs look at the intensity of the fanbase for shows far more than they used to - possibly more than syndication rights - because now they start to factor in "how many sets of the DVDs do we think we can sell?" as that can be as lucrative as advertising/syndication dollars (or for some shows possibly more so, I don't know).
KILL THE NONBELIEVER!
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on November 23, 2011, 10:06:18 PM
To all above who responded to it (and questioned it), the reason I haven't tried Community is because - over the last possibly 30 years or more - people have raved about sitcoms, I've tried them all, and I was left unmoved by them.  'Unmoved' as in "I barely, if ever, smiled during the episodes, and often ended up nearly - or outright - pissed off".  Some shows [e.g. Seinfeld, Friends, Modern Family] I very actively disliked or downright hated.  Many simply had no effect on me except that they left me a feeling that I'd wasted my time [e.g. 30 Rock, The Office].  Others, while possibly initially funny to me, I tired of very quickly for one reason or another [e.g. How I Met Your Mother, Melissa and Joey, and animated sitcoms like The Simpsons, Futurama, and Family Guy].

So I ultimately gave up on the sitcom genre as a whole.  It seemed each one has situations that are so contrived as to be offensive to my particular sensibilities [YSMV (your sensibilities may vary)], or have major characters that I would not spend time with in real life because they are so reprehensible, yet their behavior is simply 'laughed off' [or worse, is meant to be laughed 'at' (I don't find laughing at people EVER funny)].  And if I wouldn't spend time with a character in real life, I sure as SHIT am not going to waste my time with them when I want to be entertained.  [I can tolerate such characters in cartoon sitcoms better (longer) than live action ones, however, e.g. Family Guy where none of the characters would be tolerable in real life, I managed to watch and pretty much enjoy I think the first four seasons before I couldn't take any more, because it was so over-the-top offensive.]

As a whole, it seems to me, I and the entire genre of sitcoms, do not get along.  So I stopped trying any.


However, since there are people here who questioned why I didn't intend to try Community whose opinions I value, despite my dislike of Joel McHale [I cannot recall ever hearing a line I found funny come out of his mouth, and his 'funny' stuff on The Soup often angered me], I may put the first DVD of the first season in my Netflix queue.  If people think the show has changed significantly and that I should try - say - the first four episodes of the current season instead, then I may try that.  But with the lead character played by someone I don't find funny, I can't imagine that this sitcom will prove to be any different than what I've come to expect of them.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on November 23, 2011, 11:30:24 PM
(I don't find laughing at people EVER funny)].

Not to question your sensibilities... but exactly how many Rifftrax and MST3Ks have you seen? You didn't laugh at Torgo?!? or the Phantom of Krankor?!? Fuck bro, you are hardcore.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on November 24, 2011, 12:24:21 AM
(I don't find laughing at people EVER funny)].

Not to question your sensibilities... but exactly how many Rifftrax and MST3Ks have you seen? You didn't laugh at Torgo?!? or the Phantom of Krankor?!? Fuck bro, you are hardcore.

I've seen all the MST3Ks (with the exception of a few KTMA ones) and all but possibly 3 of the RiffTrax.  And, no, I never laughed at either Torgo or the Phantom of Krankor, or any other character that I can think of, from a film that has been riffed by this group, or any other film that I've seen.  Some of what the Phantom of Krankor did was absurd.  But even so, neither Torgo or the Phantom was meant to be a realistic character.

But those characters inhabiting sitcoms (with the exception of animated sitcoms or the bizarre exceptions like the live action The Tick [which I didn't find funny]) are meant to - at the very least - 'represent' realistic people.  The more realistic, the less funny their aberrant behaviors or personalities are to me.  For example: when All In the Family was on, even though it started when I was only 10, I found Archie Bunker highly offensive.  Later my understanding of why I reacted as such resulted in me realizing that that character was possibly even more offensive than real-life bigots.  Why?  Because real-life bigots watching that show would not understand him as being meant as a parody, and would have found him - most likely - to be reinforcing of their beliefs, not resulting in them questioning their beliefs.  So those beliefs of basically 'Aryan superiority' would be strengthened.  And for those who were watching the shows as parody, it would be likely to give them a feeling of superiority to such 'ignorant' people.  And, at no time in the history of the planet, has one group feeling itself superior to another resulted in anything but increased problems.

My sensibilities are different than even my parents: they found Archie Bunker (and other Norman Lear shows) funny.  My brother found it offensive for much the same reasons as I, but he finds other things funny that I do not.

It comes down to this: in realistic depictions, I don't find humor in things that, if done in person, to a living being, amount to cruelty.  Others can disconnect themselves from that for things done in fiction, but I can't (and wouldn't choose to).  But, judging by the success of shows like The Soup, there are apparently many others who have no problem finding humor in laughing at real live people.  I haven't found laughing 'at' someone - fictional or otherwise - amusing for as far back as I can remember.  And because I see it that way, I can't see a reason to start to encourage that way of thinking in myself.  So I can't get past when fictional characters are presented in such a way that they are meant to be laughed at.  'Absurdity of behavior' is one thing, 'stupidity of character' is another (at least to me).

And, in case anyone thinks so [Christ I've had to do a lot of disclaimers when someone asks and I explain my beliefs]: I have absolutely no belief or expectation that anyone should believe the way I do.  These are my beliefs, and I am happy with them.  Other people have their beliefs and they are happy with them.  As long as others' actions don't lead to actual cruelty to living, breathing beings, I couldn't give a shit what they believe.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on November 24, 2011, 12:43:48 AM
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  For example: when All In the Family was on, even though it started when I was only 10, I found Archie Bunker highly offensive.  Later my understanding of why I reacted as such resulted in me realizing that that character was possibly even more offensive than real-life bigots.  Why?  Because real-life bigots watching that show would not understand him as being meant as a parody, and would have found him - most likely - to be reinforcing of their beliefs, not resulting in them questioning their beliefs.  So those beliefs of basically 'Aryan superiority' would be strengthened.  And for those who were watching the shows as parody, it would be likely to give them a feeling of superiority to such 'ignorant' people.  And, at no time in the history of the planet, has one group feeling itself superior to another resulted in anything but increased problems.

So... because real life stupid racist assholes won't get it, we should just avoid them altogether? Not even try? Seriously? That's your stance? If you think All in the Family hurt race relations.. then you just don't understand where race relations were in this country when the show started in the late 60s.

You could have just admitted you laughed at Torgo. It's really not a big deal... and nobody will likely buy into these self-made hoops you are jumping through.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: shodan on November 24, 2011, 12:52:34 AM
so slapstick is entirely dead to you?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 24, 2011, 12:54:22 AM
[refrained from quoting cuz there's a lot there]

I actually chuckled (not in a demeaning way) at the usage of "tried" like sitcom is a drug.... In a way, it kind of fits!!

After reading your reasons for not watching / liking sitcoms as a genre, etc... You may or may not appreciate Community.  It really would be a toss-up based solely on what you think of it after watching.

Where I feel the show differs from shows like, say, Seinfeld, It's Always Sunny, etc. is that on those shows (as you mentioned), the "funny" part is due to something done TO others on the show.  Either situations that cause the main characters discomfort or tragedy (the "it's funny because it's true" aspect) or characters doing things to other characters (ie, basically everything mentioned in the Seinfeld finale).  I can very easily why someone wouldn't find that amusing, although I personally do... because it's fiction.

Whereas Community isn't really filled with events that simply happen to characters or the characters causing problems for other people a la stealing an old lady's marble rye  (with the exception of Pierce, but his whole point is that he's an old coot that they find incredibly hard to get along with.... but still love and try to support)...  It's simply about community, as in the inter-personal relations between characters, their growth from one lonely point in life to a group of friends who actually care for one another.  Example is Joel's character, who started the show as a selfish self-absorbed ass who created a fake study group simply to get with a girl... and ended up (by the end of the first episode in fact) a part of a group of unlikely friends who care about each other.  Many of the episodes have to do with very natural friction between the (not-at-all-similar) characters, being as how they spend so much time together.... and how they work through those problems to become closer together because they realise that they are better off WITH their friends than alone without them.

Most to practically all the jokes are rather pop-culture reference or just self-referencing (puns and plays on words making obvious tongue-in-cheek jokes at the show's own expense)... so whether you'd find it funny or not is really a toss-up.

For the record, I'm actually not a huge fan of The Soup... I've laughed at it, but it's not my cup of tea, really.  I prefer Joel on Community playing a character than being himself scripted.

Also, having gone to a community college (for 5 years back in the 90's), I remember each and every one of the characters on my show from my real life.  It's like Harmon went to my own school and many of his experiences were my own.... So I have a certain connection to it, because I can relate 100%.  Hell, I was the one who started a random parade to "celebrate" the set of days that you could transfer to the university like it was a damn holiday... and then got the dean to announce it over the PA system.  So the show is basically the most realistic show I've ever seen in that respect.

But yeah... The name of the show describes the underlying growth of the characters becoming a community and their sense of community, much more than it does the "community college" of the setting.

I'm not saying you have to give it a try... or that you should let us pressure you into it... But I am saying that I feel it's a very unique show as far as "sitcoms" go, in that it's more about people overcoming differences to build each other up than it is about people tearing each other down.  I don't find that very often on TV... and I think that's why I like it so much.  (That and it's somewhat intelligently written...)  So if you DO decide to give it a shot and say "Okay I'll see what all the fuss is about." then yeah, start at the first few episodes and then if you don't like it... at least you can say you were right!!
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on November 24, 2011, 03:57:17 AM
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 For example: when All In the Family was on, even though it started when I was only 10, I found Archie Bunker highly offensive.  Later my understanding of why I reacted as such resulted in me realizing that that character was possibly even more offensive than real-life bigots.  Why?  Because real-life bigots watching that show would not understand him as being meant as a parody, and would have found him - most likely - to be reinforcing of their beliefs, not resulting in them questioning their beliefs.  So those beliefs of basically 'Aryan superiority' would be strengthened.  And for those who were watching the shows as parody, it would be likely to give them a feeling of superiority to such 'ignorant' people.  And, at no time in the history of the planet, has one group feeling itself superior to another resulted in anything but increased problems.

So... because real life stupid racist assholes won't get it, we should just avoid them altogether? Not even try? Seriously? That's your stance?

No, that isn't what I said.  I never said anything about what anyone else should do: just about me and my preferences.  I don't think things like that help matters, but I don't think that they should be stopped.  But I do think that all of their effects should be discussed (which is why I brought up one I hadn't heard anyone express before).

But for the record, someone being made fun of for their beliefs NEVER looks at their stance and thinks, "hmmmm... maybe I was wrong!"  That is particularly true with more dogmatic/authoritarian people (which most - if not all - bigots are).


If you think All in the Family hurt race relations.. then you just don't understand where race relations were in this country when the show started in the late 60s.

Let's see: my mom worked with inner city 'negro' children (my brother and I played with them), then she worked at a 99% 'black' jail, and she marched with Martin Luther King, Jr.  She had a bookshelf filled with books by 'negro' authors (and one classic by a caucasian: 'Black Like Me').  We had blacks to our home, and we went to theirs.  I saw the Rev. Jesse Jackson speak when I was about 14.  Nooo... I guess I had NO CLUE what race relations were like in the 60s.


... nobody will likely buy into these self-made hoops you are jumping through.

Wow... I've not been so boldly called a liar when taking the time to express my beliefs in a long time (if ever).  I'm really sorry that your ability to comprehend people with different ways of viewing the world is so limited that you can't even conceive of the idea that I am telling the truth.



so slapstick is entirely dead to you?

Yeah, pretty much.  There are only very rare instances where I may find some amusing (and I can't think of a single one off the top of my head).  [[EDIT: an exception might be some of the Warner Brothers cartoon treatment of it (e.g. some of the combined Bugs, Daffy, and Elmer ones); but even with cartoons, I dislike the Road Runner cartoons for the slapstick, and I intensely dislike MGM's Tom & Jerry because of the never ending slapstick-style violence toward one-another.]]



[refrained from quoting cuz there's a lot there]
Understandable.   ;D  [I snipped a bunch of yours to get to the nice, pithy conclusion as well, though I greatly appreciated it all.]

... it's more about people overcoming differences to build each other up than it is about people tearing each other down.  I don't find that very often on TV... and I think that's why I like it so much.  (That and it's somewhat intelligently written...)

That actually sounds like a show I might enjoy.  Like you said, people "overcoming differences to build each other up" is such a rarity (especially in a sitcom) that I simply gave up looking for it.  And particularly with knowing that McHale is not reprising the type of person he 'played' on The Soup gives me more hope for it.  So, yeah, I'll at least check out the first few episodes.  Who knows, this may be the first live-action sitcom I've enjoyed in years.

Thanks, Unabeefer, for the time and effort to describe it in that kind of detail, and to contrast it with some of the other shows I'd mentioned that I didn't like, so I could hear how different it is.  :highfive:
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 24, 2011, 06:47:27 AM
Okay, so all this with at least warrants you giving Community a shot, eh Lucas?  :)

It would be fascinating to hear your take given these preconceived notions you've laid out.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on November 24, 2011, 07:27:53 AM
But for the record, someone being made fun of for their beliefs NEVER looks at their stance and thinks, "hmmmm... maybe I was wrong!"  That is particularly true with more dogmatic/authoritarian people (which most - if not all - bigots are).

Well, anybody who can so confidently throw around such absolutes must have all the answers! You NEVER laugh at anybody EVER... and people are NEVER shown the error of their ways through comedy. NEVER. oh wait... NEVER.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 24, 2011, 11:35:18 AM
That actually sounds like a show I might enjoy.  Like you said, people "overcoming differences to build each other up" is such a rarity (especially in a sitcom) that I simply gave up looking for it.  And particularly with knowing that McHale is not reprising the type of person he 'played' on The Soup gives me more hope for it.  So, yeah, I'll at least check out the first few episodes.  Who knows, this may be the first live-action sitcom I've enjoyed in years.

Thanks, Unabeefer, for the time and effort to describe it in that kind of detail, and to contrast it with some of the other shows I'd mentioned that I didn't like, so I could hear how different it is.

No problem.  To me, it's one of the more uplifting shows that's been made in years...

I won't lie and say that it doesn't have it's share of slapstick (Chevy Chase falling over things... He's been doing that since SNL in the 70's), low-brow jokes (ie teenage college students who snicker at the word "aspergers", some boob jokes... typical of any real male 19 year old), and there are some third-tier characters that occasionally get snide treatment from the main characters....  but it's not the point or purpose of the show, and definitely isn't glorified in the same way many other shows would.  It never paints "our" main characters as saints for being cruel, and they always grow out of it.

In short:  There's pretty much always a moral to the episodes, and I can't think of many episodes that didn't leave me with a warm happy feeling of "Awww... That's nice." by the end.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 24, 2011, 11:36:08 AM
ON TOPIC for the thread....

I'm still digging Unforgettable.  I know some people are losing interest because it's somewhat typical episodic crime drama.... but I like those, and this one is still done well.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on November 24, 2011, 01:11:07 PM
But for the record, someone being made fun of for their beliefs NEVER looks at their stance and thinks, "hmmmm... maybe I was wrong!"  That is particularly true with more dogmatic/authoritarian people (which most - if not all - bigots are).

Well, anybody who can so confidently throw around such absolutes must have all the answers! You NEVER laugh at anybody EVER... and people are NEVER shown the error of their ways through comedy. NEVER. oh wait... NEVER.

I don't have all the answers, and have never claimed to.  You really need to read things more carefully.  Clearly you've misunderstood some of the major points I've made in multiple posts, while others have seemed to understand them.

I said, "someone being made fun of for their beliefs NEVER looks at their stance and thinks, 'hmmmm... maybe I was wrong!'."  That is very different from, "people are NEVER shown the error of their ways through comedy".  If those two statements aren't clearly different to you, maybe you need to spend some time thinking about them, or studying language use, because I am tired of explaining things when the clarity of my language use is apparently getting my points across to most everyone else.

In my posts I've said merely how *I* respond to representations of people being hurt - and that I don't care how others respond - and from what you've chosen to react to - and what you've misinterpreted - in my posts, and how you've phrased your posts, you've gotten what appears to be angry and defensive at me just saying what my reactions are.  If you react this strongly to what I say about myself, I suspect that that reaction would increase if your apparent belief was directly attacked or ridiculed, not decrease.

People get defensive when their strongly-held beliefs are attacked.  The more deeply held a belief is, the less likely someone is to question it if they, themselves are being attacked for it, whether it is aimed at them in humor or not.  There may be a rare exception to this, but no-one I've ever discussed this with in the last roughly 40 years has apparently heard of one.

And no, I don't laugh at people in pain or distress (real or implied).  It isn't funny to me.  People who have intense feelings of empathy don't find others' pain amusing (it doesn't matter if it is emotional or physical pain).  I have felt saddened by even things as minor (to others) as this cat's distress at getting its paws wet: http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=6740.msg674605#msg674605  There have been animated gifs posted to the Funny Pictures Thread or the picture riffing thread, or used as someone's signature line that I've had Firefox block because they resulted in me feeling emotional pain in response to them and I could not tolerate the drain from seeing them repeatedly (one I recall was someone setting their hair on fire with a flaming shot; I've seen people in the hospital with scars from burns, it isn't funny, so I don't find the process of that happening funny).  This feeling predated the head injuries, but has been amplified by them, as I can no longer filter what I see or hear in my environment like I could before, and my emotional responses are less controllable than they were before.

From your repeated comments it seems that you feel that you know how I react better than I do.  I find that far more extreme a stance than my using an absolute when describing one aspect of my own thinking and how it relates to my behavior.  And, in the course of my life talking with large numbers of people, treating a multitude of clients as a therapist, hearing about friends', acquaintances, and colleagues' experiences with people, and having a basic idea of what the human reaction is to being made fun of in general, I think I have a fairly good idea of what people's response is when their deeply-held beliefs are ridiculed.

I'm done with this.


As TheUnabeefer said just above, back on topic for the thread....

I'm still digging Unforgettable.  I know some people are losing interest because it's somewhat typical episodic crime drama.... but I like those, and this one is still done well.

The ads I saw for that looked intriguing, because I was interested in how they presented the psychology of someone with perfect recall.  But since I'm not fond of episodic crime dramas (at least fully serious ones, I enjoy Castle because of Fillion and his interactions), so I ended up passing on Unforgettable initially.  Since you say it is good, and with your description of what kinds of shows you like in the Community discussion, I may give it a try just to see if it is in my 'tolerable range' for serious shows with pain or trauma as their starting point.

I think I've said elsewhere that, for entertainment, I don't enjoy watching things with characters that either would need to have been a recipient of therapy during or after the events of the show or film (because of emotional or physical/emotional trauma).  [Treating trauma survivors as I did, when one is highly empathic and can't turn it off, is very draining.  That's why I had to stop performing therapy after my second head injury.]  Unfortunately that low tolerance for viewing trauma rules out a lot of things for me that are quite well done and interesting.


As usual when I am already past my limits, I've written far, far more than I intended to in this thread in the last 12 hours.  My intention is to not post anything substantial for a few days so I can hopefully recover a bit.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Thrifty on November 24, 2011, 01:54:36 PM
Lucas man, TV isn't real.  I think you need to lighten up a bit.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 24, 2011, 02:56:30 PM
Lucas man, TV isn't real.  I think you need to lighten up a bit.

I choose to believe that it's absolutely real and that the Dharma Initiative extends to the farthest reaches of the world.

Namaste.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: shodan on November 24, 2011, 03:51:51 PM
live long and prosper.\\ //
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 24, 2011, 03:55:17 PM
live long and prosper.\\ //

Peace, brother.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Bob on November 24, 2011, 04:00:49 PM
I have not seen Community as I already watch enough TV and do not feel like started back on another show from the beginning.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 24, 2011, 04:09:55 PM
I have not seen Community as I already watch enough TV and do not feel like started back on another show from the beginning.

It's worth looking into, Bobbo. I'm not saying you would have that "holy shit! why have I not been watching Breaking Bad" moment, but  there is some fantastic television being made here.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on November 25, 2011, 06:58:48 AM
Hey Lucas... sometimes I get a bit snarky when I post. I blame my raging alcoholism. No hard feelings. 
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 25, 2011, 08:27:29 AM
Hey Lucas... sometimes I get a bit snarky when I post. I blame my raging alcoholism. No hard feelings. 

I blame everything on my raging alcoholism. It's like a big, warm, whiskey-breath hug whenever you need it.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on December 02, 2011, 08:04:06 PM
Hey Lucas... sometimes I get a bit snarky when I post. I blame my raging alcoholism. No hard feelings.

No hard feelings.  When I'm past my limits I take things very literally, so might very well have intensified things somewhat myself.  [I'm still not 'back to normal' yet, as things have happened to keep me past my limits much of this week... hence my not getting back to this until now.]


It would be fascinating to hear your take given these preconceived notions you've laid out.

Well, now that I've had a chance to get the first DVD of the first season from NetFlix and see the first seven episodes, I'll oblige.  :)

I must say, TheUnabeefer, your description was flawless for how the series 'plays'!  I like that these very independent characters learn how to work together and strengthen each other in the process, and that the majority of the 'glorified' core humor is not at others' expense.  And, while there were times I found it quite amusing (especially in the Halloween episode with the Asperger's character as Batman), the number of times I laughed or even smiled was fairly limited in most episodes.  Not something that I'd hope for in a show that I was watching as a comedy [compare it, say, to one of the more recent QuipTracks, where I'd already laughed out loud five times during the film's opening credits].

Even though he does learn a 'social responsibility' lesson in most episodes, McHale's character's narcissistic personality is still too grating on my nerves to invest myself in the show.  Of course, with my background, his - or any character's - growth in that regard happening 'too quickly' would probably irritate me as well.  ;)

So basically, with the description of it it was worth a try, and I enjoyed what I did see [as a 'limited set' of shows, rather than as a 'series introduction'], but it's not something I'll be adding to my watch list.  It seems sit-coms and I still are apparently incompatible.  Oh, well. <shrug>
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on December 03, 2011, 05:59:09 AM
Here's a list of upcoming shows I want to check out.

Alcatraz - Fox  January 16

Napoleon Dynamite - Fox January 12 (I expect this will be awful)

The Finder - Fox January 12 (a Bones spin-off I think?)

Also they are bringing Breaking In back from the dead in March!  :highfive:

Powers - FX (still no air date given, pilot being "reworked")

Sixth Gun - SyFy (no air date given that I know of)

The Aquabats Super Show - The Hub some time in 2012
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Artie on December 03, 2011, 06:25:14 AM

The Finder - Fox January 12 (a Bones spin-off I think?)


Is it about a man combing beaches with a metal detector and solving crimes based on what he finds?  Cause I would watch that.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 04, 2011, 11:56:36 PM
I don't think Claire Danes has ever seen any footage of herself on Homeland, or else she would stop making these ridiculous, contorted, twitchy, cartoonish facial expressions. It's getting to the point that I got to with Deb on Dexter where I have to look away whenever they show her face. And I don't care how tormented and stressed-out her character is supposed to be, she shouldn't look like fucking Doc from Back to the Future. She's a character, not a caricature.
 
It's a shame, really. I'm liking this show, as I do Dexter, but one actor's bizarre ticks are becoming increasingly annoying and distracting.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on December 05, 2011, 02:01:15 AM
I don't think Claire Danes has ever seen any footage of herself on Homeland, or else she would stop making these ridiculous, contorted, twitchy, cartoonish facial expressions. It's getting to the point that I got to with Deb on Dexter where I have to look away whenever they show her face. And I don't care how tormented and stressed-out her character is supposed to be, she shouldn't look like fucking Doc from Back to the Future. She's a character, not a caricature.
 
It's a shame, really. I'm liking this show, as I do Dexter, but one actor's bizarre ticks are becoming increasingly annoying and distracting.

That may be the intent.  Sadly, that is often the cartoonish way in which poor writers write [or directors direct] actors portraying the mentally ill.  We've never heard what exactly her mental illness is (or what medication she is taking - it could be deduced from that).  I'd guess from clues given in the show that they were thinking something along the lines of limited paranoid schizophrenic symptoms.

And, yes, you are right, the oddities of her facial expressions are distracting.  But I believe they are deliberate facial aberrations, either at the director's request, or her own acting choice for her character.  Either they have a cartoonish view of mental illness in general, or they are possibly trying to imply early stages of tardive dyskinesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardive_dyskinesia), or withdrawal-originated tardive symptoms from the medication that she is taking so freaking erratically.  In which case, they may be fairly accurate.  [I did not see enough schizophrenics, much less those with tardive symptoms, to claim any unusual familiarity with such things; I'd seen some during my training, just not a lot, as that wasn't the specialty area I was going into.]
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 05, 2011, 12:18:17 PM
I don't think Claire Danes has ever seen any footage of herself on Homeland, or else she would stop making these ridiculous, contorted, twitchy, cartoonish facial expressions. It's getting to the point that I got to with Deb on Dexter where I have to look away whenever they show her face. And I don't care how tormented and stressed-out her character is supposed to be, she shouldn't look like fucking Doc from Back to the Future. She's a character, not a caricature.
 
It's a shame, really. I'm liking this show, as I do Dexter, but one actor's bizarre ticks are becoming increasingly annoying and distracting.

That may be the intent.  Sadly, that is often the cartoonish way in which poor writers write [or directors direct] actors portraying the mentally ill.  We've never heard what exactly her mental illness is (or what medication she is taking - it could be deduced from that).  I'd guess from clues given in the show that they were thinking something along the lines of limited paranoid schizophrenic symptoms.

And, yes, you are right, the oddities of her facial expressions are distracting.  But I believe they are deliberate facial aberrations, either at the director's request, or her own acting choice for her character.  Either they have a cartoonish view of mental illness in general, or they are possibly trying to imply early stages of tardive dyskinesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardive_dyskinesia), or withdrawal-originated tardive symptoms from the medication that she is taking so freaking erratically.  In which case, they may be fairly accurate.  [I did not see enough schizophrenics, much less those with tardive symptoms, to claim any unusual familiarity with such things; I'd seen some during my training, just not a lot, as that wasn't the specialty area I was going into.]

Well, I clearly didn't consider that possibility. I think patented LucasM analytical skills could come up with that. And seeing as how the analysis is backed by knowledge and experience, that's a good thing.

It just seems to me that she would have more symptoms if her condition was that serious. I'm not belittling her condition and it may very well be something in its initial stages; there is a family history there, after all. And I don't really believe that Danes doesn't watch the footage; a lot of what I wrote and the style in which I wrote it was just to vent a bit. I just really don't enjoy having to avert my eyes away from a character that receives so much screen time.

But about the illness, I find it really hard to believe that she wouldn't get completely called out by her colleagues. If this is some progressive illness she has that manifests itself physically (most prominently in the face) you would think her fellow CIA folks would be very concerned and would pursue it accordingly. Especially Patankin; he's her superior and he's worked side-by-side with her for her entire career. I know he has tremendous professional respect for her, but the behavior she has repeatedly displayed to him makes me think he might intervene more than he has. I know they both live to protect against another terrorist attack and that's why he allows her erratic behavior, but at what point does he say: "You know what? This woman is reckless and completely out-of-control and could very well be not only a danger to herself, but to others?"
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on December 05, 2011, 03:14:09 PM
It just seems to me that she would have more symptoms if her condition was that serious. I'm not belittling her condition and it may very well be something in its initial stages; there is a family history there, after all. And I don't really believe that Danes doesn't watch the footage; a lot of what I wrote and the style in which I wrote it was just to vent a bit. I just really don't enjoy having to avert my eyes away from a character that receives so much screen time.

But about the illness, I find it really hard to believe that she wouldn't get completely called out by her colleagues. If this is some progressive illness she has that manifests itself physically (most prominently in the face) you would think her fellow CIA folks would be very concerned and would pursue it accordingly. Especially Patankin; he's her superior and he's worked side-by-side with her for her entire career. I know he has tremendous professional respect for her, but the behavior she has repeatedly displayed to him makes me think he might intervene more than he has. I know they both live to protect against another terrorist attack and that's why he allows her erratic behavior, but at what point does he say: "You know what? This woman is reckless and completely out-of-control and could very well be not only a danger to herself, but to others?"

With her hiding her 'problem' from everyone except her sister[?], then she potentially could get away with it not being called out by others.  Because there is such a wide range of human behavior, no-one may think anything of it; they may think it is just a 'stress reaction'.  But I agree wholeheartedly on what you said about her friend/mentor.  I think Patankin's character, who is a master of observational analysis, would notice that her facial tics altered over time.  The VERY least one would expect of him is that he would sit down outside of the office and have a long talk with her.  But then again, she's shown that she has no problem lying to him in a way that he'd believe it, so possibly the show's creators feel that any such discussion would've happened 'off-screen' and she would've lied to him and gotten away with it.  [Either that, or they are planning such a confrontation for the future.]

And with the symptoms, like you said, it may be the early stages, or she doesn't have a 'serious' case yet [I seem to recall that onset for schizophrenia was most often in the late 20s to mid-30s (it's been so long since I had to remember info about schizophrenics, I could be mistaken on that one)].  But there's another possibility I thought of, and that is that she doesn't actually have any actual schizophrenic brain function.  Growing up with a schizophrenic parent, especially if her father wasn't treated early in her life, would leave her learning bizarre ways of acting and reacting, even if her brain structure and chemistry were normal.  But if she found herself stressed, and doesn't behave how she feels she should, she might blame it on being genetically 'damaged'.  [I believe the show referred to her never having seen a psychiatrist herself for diagnosis, as that would be a paper trail the FBI would've found, which was why she didn't also get her own prescription.]  If she isn't really schizophrenic, just thinks she is, then when she's stressed and thinks it is because she shares her father's illness, she then takes her father's medication, which would ultimately be likely to make her more erratic, especially when 'coming down' off of it, and which would then also likely result in more noticeable withdrawal symptoms (such as the facial distortions) because her brain doesn't use the medication like a schizophrenic brain would.

There are, of course, problems I see with her behavior outside of her own health, and others' safety with regards to her work.  From the instant that they showed her taking her father's medications I thought, "she is recklessly endangering her father's health [because he'd go through abrupt withdrawal if he didn't have his regular doses], or else his doctor is going to have some very serious questions about being asked to prescribe extra medication when he would know what the appropriate dose was."  (The doctor might very well question the competence of the daughter who is caring for him to give him the medication appropriately (as some family members [and less-than-ethical doctors in inpatient settings] increase dosages to keep such patients from being a 'nuisance'.)  Doctors don't prescribe things like antipsychotics on a PRN [as needed] basis!  The things have to be not only taken regularly, but some medications require regular blood tests to make sure that appropriate blood levels are maintained (in addition to blood testing for possible early signs of liver damage from the meds).

The more I think about it, the more I would think that her unusual facial behavior should be about withdrawal effects from taking the meds so erratically [such as the weekend at the cabin where she had none].  But with TV [and movies], I've come to expect that they won't represent mental health and its treatment accurately, so I really have no idea what they are actually doing... this all may be merely an exercise in futility trying to figure it out.  :)  [Of course, when is 'fan wanking' ever about anything but making oneself comfortable with gaffes or ignorance of show creators?]
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 05, 2011, 04:41:40 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yeah, we're probably into extreme over-analysis territory at this point. I'm glad we agree for the most part. I just don't wanna look at an actress who looks like her face is being controlled by Frank Oz on day three of a meth bender.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on December 05, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
I'm still enjoying Once Upon A Time... especially all the Lost easter eggs (Apollo bars, McCutcheon's scotch...)

What I DON'T enjoy about it is that damn kid.  Not even 5 minutes into every episode, he explains the premise of the show... right after the voice-over introduction already did it.  And he can't act worth shit.  If I give up on that show for ANY reason, it will be the fucking kid.

What I DO like about it is the fact that it's intriguing, but simple.  Simple enough that the fucking kid doesn't need to explain it over and over and over again.  There isn't much of a mystery to it or anything.... just adventure of sorts.  We know how it starts, we can pretty much figure out how it will end, but all the in-betweens are kinda charming.... Just that piece-of-shit kid has to go and ruin it all.

If the show gets cancelled before the ending, it will be because of the fucking kid.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on December 05, 2011, 06:08:26 PM
Yeah, we're probably into extreme over-analysis territory at this point. I'm glad we agree for the most part. I just don't wanna look at an actress who looks like her face is being controlled by Frank Oz on day three of a meth bender.

"her face is being controlled by Frank Oz on day three of a meth bender"   :D

Indeed (on the over-analysis).  [Wrote all that when past my limits late this afternoon and should have been sleeping.]  This does, however, demonstrate why I have a difficult time with 'realistic' TV and films (which includes things like sitcoms): since the head injuries I can't turn OFF that kind of analysis, and it is fucking exhausting.

I'm actually hoping that this season is only 12 or 13 episodes, as when this storyline is over - despite Morena's presence - I'll be through with the show.


I'm still enjoying Once Upon A Time... especially all the Lost easter eggs (Apollo bars, McCutcheon's scotch...)

What I DON'T enjoy about it is that damn kid.  Not even 5 minutes into every episode, he explains the premise of the show... right after the voice-over introduction already did it.  And he can't act worth shit.  If I give up on that show for ANY reason, it will be the fucking kid.

What I DO like about it is the fact that it's intriguing, but simple.  Simple enough that the fucking kid doesn't need to explain it over and over and over again.  There isn't much of a mystery to it or anything.... just adventure of sorts.  We know how it starts, we can pretty much figure out how it will end, but all the in-betweens are kinda charming.... Just that piece-of-shit kid has to go and ruin it all.

If the show gets cancelled before the ending, it will be because of the fucking kid.

I gave up on it just this past week... and, yeah, it was partly because of that kid.  He annoyed the crap out of me, and you're right: he can't act worth a damn.  But I also gave up because I realized that there wasn't a single character on the show who I gave the slightest shit about their 'predicament'.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on December 05, 2011, 08:00:54 PM
I gave up on it just this past week... and, yeah, it was partly because of that kid.  He annoyed the crap out of me, and you're right: he can't act worth a damn.  But I also gave up because I realized that there wasn't a single character on the show who I gave the slightest shit about their 'predicament'.

Yeah, I can't honestly say I care about any of the characters beyond wishing certain ones would get naked. (Rumpelstiltskin anyone??)  I think the biggest reason I'm sticking with it is it's something to watch that is just exactly what it says it is (Fairy tales trapped in our world. Plain and simple.)... and I am supportive of Horowitz and Kitsis.  But yeah, there's really not much worth caring about there... and I can't say anything has blown me away with it yet.  (Although I wish Red Riding Hood would blow me away. BOOSH!!!)

Have I killed the thread yet!?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on December 05, 2011, 08:07:24 PM
I gave up on it just this past week... and, yeah, it was partly because of that kid.  He annoyed the crap out of me, and you're right: he can't act worth a damn.  But I also gave up because I realized that there wasn't a single character on the show who I gave the slightest shit about their 'predicament'.

Yeah, I can't honestly say I care about any of the characters beyond wishing certain ones would get naked. (Rumpelstiltskin anyone??)  I think the biggest reason I'm sticking with it is it's something to watch that is just exactly what it says it is (Fairy tales trapped in our world. Plain and simple.)... and I am supportive of Horowitz and Kitsis.  But yeah, there's really not much worth caring about there... and I can't say anything has blown me away with it yet.  (Although I wish Red Riding Hood would blow me away. BOOSH!!!)

Have I killed the thread yet!?

 :)  When I first watched House I liked Jennifer Morrison, but - and this is odd for me - even though blonde is her natural hair color, I simply don't care for her as a blonde... not to mention that her character on this show irritates me as well (acts more condescending than empathetic when talking to the annoying kid).

It was funny, I was looking at an old RiffTrax and found that the actor who plays Rumplestiltskin was the actor playing the Big Bad guy in Eragon, and they have virtually the same make-up!   :D
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Post by: Bob on December 06, 2011, 05:35:09 AM
It was funny, I was looking at an old RiffTrax and found that the actor who plays Rumplestiltskin was the actor playing the Big Bad guy in Eragon, and they have virtually the same make-up!   :D

That's the most disappointing thing to me is how they are wasting Robert Carlyle.   He is SUCH a good actor (e.g. Transpotting, The Full Monty) and they are wasting him in that one note character.   The directors seem to have told the actors to make "soap opera villian smirks" continually at the camera as the scene fades and it is driving me insane.   The bint that plays snow white is beyond pathetic.   I gave up last week when I realized they are dragging this out and not moving the story.   It has a very "Lifetime Network Emo" vibe to me that I cannot get into.

Oh well, not all shows are directed at me.......good thing as those tend to get cancelled.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on December 11, 2011, 05:24:25 PM
Well, with two more episodes under its belt [making a total of six], I'm now giving up on Grimm.  It has remained a 'police procedural' just with 'fairytale' bad guys and bordering-on-trite plot twists.  I'd hoped that Greenwalt's presence would make it more of a Buffy or Angel-like show, but apparently its not going to happen.  There's no humor in it, and no characters I give a damn about as they are all too two-dimensional.  Oh, well.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on December 20, 2011, 06:48:03 PM
Well the first [possibly the only - we'll find out early next year apparently] season of Terra Nova is finished.  My assessment?  It includes some spoilers, so we'll continue in here:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

But, with all that, the thing I find, after having seen the first season, is that I'd like to see another.  What do I think we'd find in another season?  Well...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Okay, enough.  Any other thoughts by people who have sat through all 13 episodes of Terra Nova?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 20, 2011, 06:52:50 PM
Well the first [possibly the only - we'll find out early next year apparently] season of Terra Nova is finished.  My assessment?  It includes some spoilers, so we'll continue in here:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

But, with all that, the thing I find, after having seen the first season, is that I'd like to see another.  What do I think we'd find in another season?  Well...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Okay, enough.  Any other thoughts by people who have sat through all 13 episodes of Terra Nova?

http://www.youtube.com/v/K8E_zMLCRNg?version=3&amp;hl=en_US

J/k. I think a couple of folks have stuck with it, although from what I've heard, I am not regretting my decision to bug out midway through the pilot.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on January 12, 2012, 06:09:18 PM
Just watched the pilot for House Of Lies. Pretty interesting show and some cool camera work/effects with freezing everything while the lead guy talks to the audience. It is fairly raunchy at times though.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 19, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
OK: let's revive this old chestnut for the new 2012-2013 season.  :)

I watched the first episode of J.J.Abrams new 'Revolution' Monday.  I was singularly unimpressed.  For me, there was too little characterization to care about any of the characters, and too little plot to care about the plot.  But with it an Abrams series, I plan on giving it a few weeks before I decide whether to quit watching or not.

A summer series just ended that I rather liked.  It was on TNT, 'Perception' starring Eric McCormack and Rachel Leigh Cook.  Cook is an FBI agent, McCormack a neuroscientist who consults with her on cases.  He also happens to be schizophrenic.  Amazingly, this series did a fairly good job with the neuroscience (nothing that grossly offended me, at least ;)), and McCormack does a good job with portraying some levels of schizophrenia.  The cases were mostly each based around some aspect of neuroscience.  Honestly, I wasn't expecting to like it (for two reasons: I don't like police procedurals, and usually Hollywood gets psychology and neuroscience so incredibly wrong that it is angering to watch).  But I looked forward to each episode and was disappointed that the first season was only 10 episodes.  Luckily it's already been renewed for a second season to air sometime in 2013.
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Post by: Mrs. Dick Courier on September 19, 2012, 03:27:57 PM
666 Park Avenue Looks good because of two words Terry O'Quinn

Also Elementary, a modern day Sherlock starring Johnny Lee Miller.  I still miss Eli Stone.  And I'll try Revolution.  But I'll probably have to wait for the DVDs to come out.  Unless a friend records them for me.
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Post by: TheUnabeefer on September 19, 2012, 03:39:26 PM
I watched the first episode of J.J.Abrams new 'Revolution' Monday.  I was singularly unimpressed.  For me, there was too little characterization to care about any of the characters, and too little plot to care about the plot.  But with it an Abrams series, I plan on giving it a few weeks before I decide whether to quit watching or not.

I think one of the problems that will persist with Revolution is that people think of it as an Abrams show.  It's a Kripke show, produced by Abrams.... So I'm personally expecting more Supernatural style writing, story, pacing and development. (Not meaning that I expect supernatural stuff... just more along the lines of HOW Supernatural is made)  The most important words anyone could pay attention to in the opening titles are "Created by Erik Kripke. Written by Erik Kripke."

Glad you'll give it a few more weeks tho! I have to say I had the same thought back when I first watched Supernatural and 8 seasons later, I'm still hooked!!  I've described his pilot style as "the show starts when the pilot ends"....

I've been worried for a while that people wanting to watch it will expect a Lost-esque Abrams show (only to be disappointed or underwhelmed, considering Damon isn't involved in this...), while others won't watch at all because they expect a Lost-esque Abrams show (only to *never* find out that it's not some huge epic Lost show).

Anyways, just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 19, 2012, 06:36:07 PM
I watched the first episode of J.J.Abrams new 'Revolution' Monday.  I was singularly unimpressed.  For me, there was too little characterization to care about any of the characters, and too little plot to care about the plot.  But with it an Abrams series, I plan on giving it a few weeks before I decide whether to quit watching or not.

I think one of the problems that will persist with Revolution is that people think of it as an Abrams show.  It's a Kripke show, produced by Abrams.... So I'm personally expecting more Supernatural style writing, story, pacing and development. (Not meaning that I expect supernatural stuff... just more along the lines of HOW Supernatural is made)  The most important words anyone could pay attention to in the opening titles are "Created by Erik Kripke. Written by Erik Kripke."

Glad you'll give it a few more weeks tho! I have to say I had the same thought back when I first watched Supernatural and 8 seasons later, I'm still hooked!!  I've described his pilot style as "the show starts when the pilot ends"....

I've been worried for a while that people wanting to watch it will expect a Lost-esque Abrams show (only to be disappointed or underwhelmed, considering Damon isn't involved in this...), while others won't watch at all because they expect a Lost-esque Abrams show (only to *never* find out that it's not some huge epic Lost show).

Anyways, just my 2 cents.

Thanks, yeah, that helps.  Too bad all the hype I saw beforehand said "New J.J. Abrams Show", because you're right: those who like Abrams and expect Abrams won't 'get' it, and others won't try because they think it is Abrams.  I first paid attention because of the Abrams thing, but I decided to watch because I also thought it sounded interesting.  Another thing with it is the concept of electricity not working... I'm too much a scientist to believe that atoms could stop giving up/sharing electrons with one-another in metal, but in nothing else.  I mean, seriously: all covalent bonds would cease (there would BE no drinking alcohol for people to share to get out of scrapes; nor would there be CO2, etc.).

I never got into Supernatural, so have no (known) prior Kripke experience.  I usually give new shows where the concepts sound interesting a few weeks.  It can be anywhere from 3-6 for most to, for the most extreme for me: Fringe, 14 episodes to decide if they are worth being a Definite View for me.  (Fringe seemed too much like a Horror version of CSI until Dunham discovered her abilities.)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on September 20, 2012, 01:32:24 PM
Thanks, yeah, that helps.  Too bad all the hype I saw beforehand said "New J.J. Abrams Show", because you're right: those who like Abrams and expect Abrams won't 'get' it, and others won't try because they think it is Abrams.  I first paid attention because of the Abrams thing, but I decided to watch because I also thought it sounded interesting.  Another thing with it is the concept of electricity not working... I'm too much a scientist to believe that atoms could stop giving up/sharing electrons with one-another in metal, but in nothing else.  I mean, seriously: all covalent bonds would cease (there would BE no drinking alcohol for people to share to get out of scrapes; nor would there be CO2, etc.).

I never got into Supernatural, so have no (known) prior Kripke experience.  I usually give new shows where the concepts sound interesting a few weeks.  It can be anywhere from 3-6 for most to, for the most extreme for me: Fringe, 14 episodes to decide if they are worth being a Definite View for me.  (Fringe seemed too much like a Horror version of CSI until Dunham discovered her abilities.)

Yeah, even though I was hooked on Fringe from day 1, that's still about when I felt it started to actually hit a stride was the light-box episode of season 1.... Luckily, I think there's only 2 episodes so far that really haven't found a part in the mythology so far, so in hindsight, even the earliest episodes fit great.

As for Revolution, the guys on The Revolution Podcast mentioned on their recent castamajigger that apparently Kripke and Abrams pulled in some physicist before writing out the show itself and told him their main idea (ie, how the power went out etc), and got the green light on it as far as "plausible" goes.... so that makes me feel okay on disbelief suspension so far.

As it is with every show, different people like different things... but I'm always happy when someone is willing to give a show more than just the pilot.  I always get bugged when someone judges any show by just the pilot (except Whitney of course)... it's like "Oh come on, they had to be able to sell it to a network using this... it had a specific purpose."  Also, between pilot and episode 2, they've usually had MONTHS to dig thru feedback from network, ComicCon attendees, etc... and then make little changes here/there (ie, cast Elizabeth Mitchell in place of whoever had the role originally, then re-shoot scenes) based on all of that.

I dunno, I'm personally not that worried about the show not being good... more worried that people won't give it a shot, which would cause it to be cancelled.  Complete/absolute faith in Kripke though.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 20, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
Another thing with it is the concept of electricity not working... I'm too much a scientist to believe that atoms could stop giving up/sharing electrons with one-another in metal, but in nothing else.  I mean, seriously: all covalent bonds would cease (there would BE no drinking alcohol for people to share to get out of scrapes; nor would there be CO2, etc.).

As for Revolution, the guys on The Revolution Podcast mentioned on their recent castamajigger that apparently Kripke and Abrams pulled in some physicist before writing out the show itself and told him their main idea (ie, how the power went out etc), and got the green light on it as far as "plausible" goes.... so that makes me feel okay on disbelief suspension so far.

Hmmm... well, then I'll let it slide until they explain what happened ('course, that may be in the show's finale' in five or more years... so maybe I should more conditionally say it: "as long as I enjoy the rest of it and keep watching for the rest of the show, I'll let the electron-sharing thing go until they explain it." ;)).
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on September 20, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Without knowing anything more about the cause of the blackout, it doesn't seem like a major plotline to me.  There are plenty of things to carry on with in Revolution after addressing that part - the state of the world and the politics involved have definite promise, for example.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on September 20, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
As long as it's not a friggin' pool of light-energy in a cave on an island that sinks when the light goes out...... That would be dumb. :D

(I liked the end of Lost, but I can definitely mock it!)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on September 20, 2012, 02:42:55 PM
It seems likely that the event will be something scientific, rather than supernatural.  The locket seems to be some sort of program that can countermand the blackout in some small way, but the reasons behind it and for it are, I hope, the main thrust of this season. 
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on September 20, 2012, 03:10:23 PM
Without knowing anything more about the cause of the blackout, it doesn't seem like a major plotline to me.  There are plenty of things to carry on with in Revolution after addressing that part - the state of the world and the politics involved have definite promise, for example.

That's exactly what I expect(ed) of the show, actually.... that the blackout/mystery would more-or-less just be like Hitchcock's "MacGuffin".  It's interesing, and you find out more about it, but it basically serves as a way to advance the story of the characters.  It's also how Kripke wrote Supernatural.... the whole demon/ghost-hunting was just a way to tell the story of the two brothers.

It's what's made Supernatural stay fresh after 7 full seasons....  I expect Revolution to kinda reveal the cause of the deal by the end of the season (or at least to just the audience maybe even by winter break even...) and resolve much of it so the show can move on from there.  Kripke doesn't like to drag things out beyond a season, in case the shows don't get picked back up... but when they do, he can add onto the previous season's story.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on September 20, 2012, 03:12:01 PM
Yeah, I watched Supernatural for a few years until I got tired of the premise.  I always loved the "previously on..." classic rock montages they did for that show.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on September 20, 2012, 03:26:44 PM
Yeah, I watched Supernatural for a few years until I got tired of the premise.  I always loved the "previously on..." classic rock montages they did for that show.

The last 2 seasons haven't been the greatest (Kripke left after s5, Sera Gamble took over and it's been *good*, but still a bit off) but Jeremy Carver is coming back (left after season 4 I think to work on another show) as the new show-runner... So I am hoping it'll get back on track.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: JimJ on September 21, 2012, 09:06:10 PM
I watched the pilot episode of "Last Resort", which is free on iTunes.  It's about a nuclear submarine crew who are given order to launch on Pakistan and refuse, leading to them being attacked by a US ship.  I think it airs sometime next week.  I enjoyed it quite a bit.  I groaned when I saw in the description that they end up on an island, but it turns out to be a very inhabited and civilized island, so no worries of it turning into a Lost clone.  The pilot sets up the premise nicely and I'm really curious to see where they go from here.  Considering the dreck that is most network dramas, this could easily rise to the top of that cesspool if it keeps up the quality of the pilot.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: ScottotD on September 22, 2012, 01:52:12 AM
Matthew Perry's new show "Go On" was pretty funny.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: mrbasehart on September 22, 2012, 03:49:51 AM
Matthew Perry's new show "Go On" was pretty funny.

"Was"? Is that a slip, or has he lost yet another show?  It would be a shame too, I've rather liked all of his post-Friends efforts.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: ScottotD on September 22, 2012, 05:01:14 AM
Matthew Perry's new show "Go On" was pretty funny.

"Was"? Is that a slip, or has he lost yet another show?  It would be a shame too, I've rather liked all of his post-Friends efforts.

No, I just watched the pilot and enjoyed it.  I hope the series will be as good
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TheUnabeefer on September 22, 2012, 08:45:39 AM
Matthew Perry's new show "Go On" was pretty funny.

"Was"? Is that a slip, or has he lost yet another show?  It would be a shame too, I've rather liked all of his post-Friends efforts.

No, I just watched the pilot and enjoyed it.  I hope the series will be as good

Janelle said that she and her brother enjoyed the episodes they saw on demand... Hope it sticks for him this time. He gets a lot of crap from people, but he's really very funny.
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Post by: mrbasehart on September 26, 2012, 05:11:32 PM
Watched Partners and Guys with Kids.  Or about 10 minutes of each before I turned them off.  Even something as faded and tired as How I Met Your Mother is leagues above either of them, while something that's actually good - New Girl, for example - makes them seem 30 years old.

The Mindy Project is decent, though I'm hoping it gets funnier from the cast involved.

And Castle is back! Yay!
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Post by: goflyblind on September 26, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
And Castle is back! Yay!

i know they've been ratcheting things up over the last two seasons, but that episode just felt really fast and overflowing with stuff happening.
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Post by: mrbasehart on September 26, 2012, 05:21:58 PM
And Castle is back! Yay!

i know they've been ratcheting things up over the last two seasons, but that episode just felt really fast and overflowing with stuff happening.

They just wanted to deal with all that stuff in the last season straight away and not have it drag on.  Castle's a procedural, so it doesn't really have long arcs, so that's why we get episodes like that.  I like that they put Castle and Beckett together though. 
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Post by: JimJ on September 27, 2012, 09:55:42 PM
I really liked The Mindy Project.  It was better than I expected and I actually expected it to be pretty good going in.  Looking forward to more.
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Post by: anais.butterfly on September 28, 2012, 09:35:04 AM
I also enjoyed The Mindy Project. There were some great lines and Mindy is a great lead actress. The pilot felt a little off, and I hope that as more episodes are aired they get a more Arrested Development vibe. But I am looking forward to it....LOTS
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Post by: mrbasehart on September 28, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Just watched Elementary, the American's take on updating Sherlock Holmes.  It's a procedural, and it's not as good as the BBC one, but I still quite enjoyed it.  Jonny Lee Miller makes for a good Holmes, and Lucy Liu must be a vampire or something, as she has not aged at all.  I like that there's no hint of a romance between the two either.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on September 28, 2012, 06:57:52 PM
Saw that a few weeks before it came out.  I found it an entirely perfunctory genre exercise.  But then, I am really, really not a fan of network procedurals.
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Post by: LucasM on September 28, 2012, 09:13:37 PM
I saw Elementary and though I really like the UK's Sherlock, Elementary felt 'flat' to me.  In it it seems to me that Holmes is more an outright asshole than Sherlock's 'endearingly quirky' portrayal.

Like BBQ Platypus, I am really not a fan of procedurals.  The only exceptions being if I really like either an actor in it, or the character that is being played.  With Castle, for me, there's both.  For Elementary, there was neither.

I'll likely give it another couple episodes to see if it picks up, but the pilot did nothing at all for me except irritate.
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Post by: Thrifty on September 29, 2012, 08:34:50 AM
Has anyone seen the new legal drama "Made in Jersey"?  I heard some commercials for it.  Some Hispanic girl from New Jersey gets a job at a law firm in Manhattan, and her crazy, sassy New Jersey attitude is gonna shake things up!!!  Because if there's one thing nobody working at a law firm in New York has ever encountered, it's a Hispanic person or someone from New Jersey.
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Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2012, 10:03:28 AM
Has anyone seen the new legal drama "Made in Jersey"?  I heard some commercials for it.  Some Hispanic girl from New Jersey gets a job at a law firm in Manhattan, and her crazy, sassy New Jersey attitude is gonna shake things up!!!  Because if there's one thing nobody working at a law firm in New York has ever encountered, it's a Hispanic person or someone from New Jersey.

[Sarcasm throughout post duly noted. ;)  Having dated an Italian, though, I think she's supposed to be Italian.]

I watched it only because I got to like Janet Montgomery on Human Target.  This is another one where I don't care for the basic core of the show (legal drama).

It was OK.  But even liking Montgomery and with her being the clear focus of the show, I have a feeling I won't watch long.  Not just because it doesn't seem to do much new with the ideas (either the 'legal drama' part, or the supposed 'fish out of water' part), but because I find the accents irritating, and they seemed to actually take more mental effort to process enough to understand what was being said... too much work for my brain for what should have been lighthearted entertainment.  [Made up as she was, she didn't look nearly as pretty as the more natural look she had on Human Target either.]
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Post by: Pak-Man on October 01, 2012, 10:30:59 AM
Nickelodeon's new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series is surprisingly good. I can't quite put my finger on why I enjoyed it as much as I did, but it evokes the fun of the old early-'90s TMNT, but without the cornball humor. It left me feeling happy and excited.

EDIT TO CLARIFY: It HAS Humor. I laughed more than once. It's just not cornball. :^)
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 01, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
I find it odd that they cast Rob Paulsen as Donatello though.
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Post by: Pak-Man on October 01, 2012, 10:45:59 AM
Yeah. Hearing Raphael's voice coming from Donatello was jarring. He's on his way to making the role his own, but in that context it's hard to seperate his voice from Raphael.

I also like that they brought back the idea that Mutagen just changes you into whatever you had recent contact with. It's bad science fiction, but it's good entertainment.
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Post by: Mrs. Dick Courier on October 01, 2012, 04:24:45 PM
Love that Castle is back, I also like 2 Broke Girls.  2 Broke Girls is typical sitcom fare, but I laugh.  And Fred Savage directed episode 1 of the new season.

On the reality front I'm hooked on CMT's Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders, many they're rough on those girls.  But I understand, they have to be perfect.
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Post by: mrbasehart on October 01, 2012, 04:26:49 PM
I watched about a half dozen episodes of 2 Broke Girls, and I could never get into it.  I think Kat Dennings is awesome, but I really don't think a sitcom plays to her strengths.  She should be in something weirder and more offbeat.
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Post by: Tripe on October 02, 2012, 06:50:49 AM
Yes on all of that; she really is awesome and 2 Broke Girls is fairly pants.

Not sure what I'd do with her though. She does have a presence in the Marvel Universe, if only there were a TV show coming up set there...
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Post by: mrbasehart on October 02, 2012, 06:59:01 AM
I think 2 Broke Girls is doing really well though, so she's stuck with that show for another 5 years.   Though it does give us a chance to see her appear in awesome dresses while attending the Emmy's.
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Post by: Thrifty on October 02, 2012, 11:45:45 AM
Yes on all of that; she really is awesome and 2 Broke Girls is fairly pants.

2 Broke Girls is a TV show.  These are pants
(http://oldnavy.gap.com/Asset_Archive/ONWeb/Assets/Product/776/776056/quick/on776056-02qlv01.jpg)
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Post by: Tripe on October 02, 2012, 11:49:00 AM
Yes those are, and pretty pants pants at that.

These pants however:

(http://celebshut.com/wp-content/uploads/celebrities/kat-dennings/out-shopping-in-beverly-hills/kat-dennings-out-shopping-in-beverly-hills-02-520x964.jpg)

Aren't pants in the slightest, though they could have taken the shot at less pants of an angle really.
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Post by: mrbasehart on October 02, 2012, 12:06:19 PM
I prefer Kat Dennings without pants:

Spoilered for size
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Post by: Tripe on October 02, 2012, 01:54:18 PM
Yes, Christ on a Bike, but actually I dig her most in more quotidian apparel, not sure why.
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Post by: TheUnabeefer on October 02, 2012, 02:21:17 PM
She honestly just annoys the hell out of me... but whatever.
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Post by: goflyblind on October 02, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
am i the only one who dislikes bright red lipstick? (and lipstick in general, but especially that godawful red crap.)
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Post by: RoninFox on October 02, 2012, 02:43:22 PM
am i the only one who dislikes bright red lipstick? (and lipstick in general, but especially that godawful red crap.)

Depends entirely on who is wearing it.  On her, I approve.  On some women it looks horrible.
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Post by: goflyblind on October 02, 2012, 02:44:32 PM
i have yet to see it work. and i frequently look at women.
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Post by: TheUnabeefer on October 02, 2012, 02:52:27 PM
am i the only one who dislikes bright red lipstick? (and lipstick in general, but especially that godawful red crap.)

No, you're not alone there.
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Post by: Thrifty on October 03, 2012, 05:24:40 AM
So can we get some clarification please?  When used as an adjective, does "pants" mean "good" or "bad"?

I watched the whole first season of 2 Broke Girls back in May.  I downloaded a torrent and watched them all sort of in the background, on my 2nd monitor, while playing Final Fantasy 7 on the other one.  It's a very standard sitcom.  Laugh track, multiple cameras, lame jokes with people inexplicably pausing for laughter.  I didn't really mind it when it was a background show.  I tried to give an episode my undivided attention last night.  It turns out the show sucks.

Watching the first two episodes of The Mindy Project right now.  I like it okay so far.  Mindy Kaling is funny and talented.  No obnoxious laugh track, so the dialogue flows more naturally.  I like that her character is the exact same age as me.  Makes it more relatable.  Also love that Stephen Tobolowsky is on this show.  He's great in just about everything, except when he's saddled by a terrible script.
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Post by: Tripe on October 03, 2012, 05:40:36 AM
So can we get some clarification please?  When used as an adjective, does "pants" mean "good" or "bad"?

Here you go. (http://www.internetslang.com/PANTS-meaning-definition.asp)
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Post by: anais.butterfly on October 03, 2012, 08:51:58 AM
She honestly just annoys the hell out of me... but whatever.

I read this (because it was on the top of the page) and I SO hoped you were talking about Zooey Deschanel....because then I would have liked it A MILLION TIMES!


But alas
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Post by: TheUnabeefer on October 03, 2012, 01:23:10 PM
She honestly just annoys the hell out of me... but whatever.

I read this (because it was on the top of the page) and I SO hoped you were talking about Zooey Deschanel....because then I would have liked it A MILLION TIMES!


But alas

Actually, she's grating on me too.... I liked her in Elf, but ever since then everything else she's done has made me want to remove her from existance. Especially that new show of hers.
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Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 03, 2012, 05:54:57 PM
So can we get some clarification please?  When used as an adjective, does "pants" mean "good" or "bad"?

Yes.

So is it 'mustard' or 'pants?'


We really enjoyed The Mindy Project pilot, haven't had a chance to watch ep 2 yet. We never got into the American Office, and that is basically the first I've ever seen of her, and thought she was great.

Revolution took three episodes to have a really good one, but I really enjoyed this week's episode.

Last Resort is super fun. The first 20 minutes made us cringe a bit though, so I'm really glad we stuck with it.

666 Park Avenue turned out to be pretty boring in the pilot, but not bad enough to stop us from trying at least one more episode. The super natural/horror/whatever stuff all seemed so obvious... Dunno... Anyone really enjoy it?
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Post by: Bob on October 03, 2012, 07:01:53 PM
I think 666 has chances.....
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Post by: mrbasehart on October 04, 2012, 03:54:50 AM
Second episode of the Mindy Kaling Project was much funnier than the pilot. 
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Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 07, 2012, 05:39:47 PM
Watched the first ep of Hunted over the weekend - starts slowly, but by the end, we really enjoyed it. Worth checking out!
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on October 09, 2012, 09:46:27 PM
666 Park Avenue turned out to be pretty boring in the pilot, but not bad enough to stop us from trying at least one more episode. The super natural/horror/whatever stuff all seemed so obvious... Dunno... Anyone really enjoy it?

I'm curious as to what Satan is doing running an apartment complex.  I mean, sure, it's a pretty valuable piece of real estate on the Upper East Side, but I don't think the Prince of Darkness has any need for money. I can't really think of any other reasons either. One would think that the job of corrupting the souls of a handful of attractive Manhattan yuppies could be delegated to someone higher up on the lowerarchy.
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Post by: Nunyerbiz on October 11, 2012, 09:57:53 AM
Second episode of the Mindy Kaling Project was much funnier than the pilot. 

Yep, I agree on this. I never put much weight behind the first handful of eps for a new comedy, but the 2nd was a clear step up from the pilot.

I'm also somewhat enjoying "Go On"... I do think Matthew Perry needs to be reigned in a bit... as sometimes his Matthew Perry-ness-isms gets more grating than your average case of Matthew Perry-ness... But the rest of the cast is generally good and provided capable support and respites from too much Matthew Perry-ness. But if you have low tolerance for Matthew Perry-ness, then steer clear. Not sure how the basic premise of the show (Chandler from Friends in a support group after Courtney Cox dies in a tragic accident) will carry over the long haul... but I have found myself chuckling more then I thought I would over the first handful of episodes.
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Post by: Mrs. Dick Courier on October 11, 2012, 03:44:28 PM
 The Neighbors on ABC.  I laughed.  Full of slapstick and bad puns, my kinda show.

It has a good cast and I got a kick out of the alien's names, they're all named after famous athletes.  Especially enjoy the little redhead kid, Dick Butkus

And its brough to us by the guy who wrote Cars and Tangled.  And Crazy Stupid Love.
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Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 11, 2012, 05:38:23 PM
We weren't all that impressed with the much-raved-about pilot of Nashville. Didn't hate it, would probably watch another episode (though I'd rather be watching a few of the other shows we're falling behind in...)
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Post by: LucasM on October 11, 2012, 05:42:54 PM
Just watched the DVR'd first episode of 'Arrow' from last night.  Clearly much darker than the 'Smallville' version of the character.  Not yet sure if it warrants my time each week... I'll give it a few more weeks before deciding (unless it does something really awesome or really irritating in the near future ;) ).
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Post by: mrbasehart on October 14, 2012, 12:51:12 PM
Just watched the DVR'd first episode of 'Arrow' from last night.  Clearly much darker than the 'Smallville' version of the character.  Not yet sure if it warrants my time each week... I'll give it a few more weeks before deciding (unless it does something really awesome or really irritating in the near future ;) ).

I enjoyed it.  I think it set up too many things in the pilot, but I like the cast and the tone.  I'm very interested in in seeing what happened on the island, especially the brief shot of Deadshot's torn mask.
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Post by: k1 on October 23, 2012, 06:00:52 PM
Just finishing up the pilot for Arrow. It's pretty dang good!
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Post by: k1 on November 01, 2012, 04:51:19 PM
Sixth Gun - SyFy (no air date given that I know of)

Looks like SyFy has passed it off to NBC

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a430082/lost-producer-carlton-cuse-to-adapt-comic-the-sixth-gun-for-nbc.html

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Lost producer Carlton Cuse is to adapt graphic novel series The Sixth Gun for NBC.

The drama will tell the story of six mythical guns in the Old West and the chaos that is unleashed when the last and most powerful weapon falls into the hands of an innocent girl.

Cuse will collaborate with writer Ryan Condal on the TV adaptation, based on the comics created by Cullen Bunn and Brian Hurtt, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

The Sixth Gun comic series was first published in July 2010, with Syfy previously announcing a planned television adaptation in 2011.

In addition to this new project, Cuse is also working on Psycho prequel Bates Motel for A&E and is also co-writing Guillermo del Toro's FX pilot The Strain.

Other drama pilots under consideration at NBC this season include a Moby Dick update from M Night Shyamalan, a contemporary version of Wuthering Heights and a period crime drama featuring famed inventor Thomas Edison.
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Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 01, 2012, 04:55:27 PM
Well, it has more chance of being good on another network - But less chance of surviving till season 2! :/
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Post by: Thrifty on November 05, 2012, 08:30:42 AM
I watched all 7 episodes of the Hulu series Escape My Life.  I should explain, if you're not familiar with it, that this is not, technically, a sitcom.  Actually, it is a series of 5 minute Ford commercials with a bland sitcom plot wrapped around it.  It's worth watching if you like traditional TV, but wish there was more product placement.
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 11, 2012, 08:10:40 AM
I was harping about Claire Danes last season, and I thought this skit from last night's SNL was pretty funny.

http://video.nbcuni.com/core/6.6.1/DPSWidget.swf?WID=nbcSingleclipWidget&vcmsMedia=1423664&configId=27502&wc=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.nbcuni.com%2Fcore%2F6.6.1%2Fwidget%2Fnbc%2Fwidget_2012.xml
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Post by: Bob on November 11, 2012, 08:25:29 AM
And 666 better start picking up soon.....

And gave up on the "sub hiding on a island" thing
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Post by: LucasM on September 17, 2013, 06:53:43 PM
It is time to ignore the
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I watched 'Sleepy Hollow' last night.  TV Guide online's description (http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/sleepy-hollow/555514):
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An update of Washington Irving's classic tale about Ichabod Crane, who wakes up in the 21st century but finds his 18th-century nemesis, the Headless Horseman, has also come along for the ride.
Nothing particularly new (re-shuffled film/TV tropes), but at the end I was interested in seeing what would happen next.

In the first episode, it seemed a tad too easy for Ichabod to become OK with the idea of being well past his own time, though the show could have gotten bogged down with confusion/fear over that very thing, so I'll give them a bit of leeway with that.  For me, the potential value of the show will be in interpersonal relationships and how they mesh.  If this becomes a 'monster of the week' like Grimm, or focuses too tightly on its main story (four horsemen potentially returning [not really a spoiler as I had a 'yeah: and?' response to the 'Revelation' ;)]), I will likely be sick of it by the third or fourth episode, if not sooner.  They will have to have more than the initial premise ready to keep it interesting.

I did find it more than a little amusing that an actual line from the show was something like, "from this first appearance of ___, we'll have seven years to avoid the ___."  Seriously?  Trying to set up a seven year run of the show that blatantly?  ;D  Sheesh!

But I'm giving it a try.
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Post by: TheUnabeefer on September 17, 2013, 07:15:11 PM
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I watched 'Sleepy Hollow' last night.  TV Guide online's description (http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/sleepy-hollow/555514):
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An update of Washington Irving's classic tale about Ichabod Crane, who wakes up in the 21st century but finds his 18th-century nemesis, the Headless Horseman, has also come along for the ride.
Nothing particularly new (re-shuffled film/TV tropes), but at the end I was interested in seeing what would happen next.

In the first episode, it seemed a tad too easy for Ichabod to become OK with the idea of being well past his own time, though the show could have gotten bogged down with confusion/fear over that very thing, so I'll give them a bit of leeway with that.  For me, the potential value of the show will be in interpersonal relationships and how they mesh.  If this becomes a 'monster of the week' like Grimm, or focuses too tightly on its main story (four horsemen potentially returning [not really a spoiler as I had a 'yeah: and?' response to the 'Revelation' ;)]), I will likely be sick of it by the third or fourth episode, if not sooner.  They will have to have more than the initial premise ready to keep it interesting.

I did find it more than a little amusing that an actual line from the show was something like, "from this first appearance of ___, we'll have seven years to avoid the ___."  Seriously?  Trying to set up a seven year run of the show that blatantly?  ;D  Sheesh!

But I'm giving it a try.

I heard it was bordering on "laughable"... but I'll give it 3 episodes at least. (Will be watching it tomorrow or Thurs).

In its favour, it was created by the creators of Alias, Fringe, and some of the writers of the new Star Trek movies.

Going against it, they also wrote the Transformers movies.... but you can also ask Bill about the whole "they wrote this movie" concept and how that compares to finished product.
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Post by: LucasM on September 17, 2013, 07:47:26 PM
In its favour, it was created by the creators of Alias, Fringe, and some of the writers of the new Star Trek movies.

Yup, pretty much the only reason I'm giving it multiple episodes to decide.  With Alias, Fringe and the new Star Wars franchises, there was more than met the eye at first behind what was going on.  Hopefully, with this show playing out as the first one did, it won't wait until the 12th or 13th episode before being clear about its 'intent' (like Fringe did for me: wasn't until ep 14 'Ability' that I was sure I'd keep watching it).  [Of course, if it remains like the first one, it won't last until the 12th or 13th episode: this is FOX we're talking about. :P]
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Post by: ShadowDog on September 18, 2013, 11:34:57 AM
The first five minutes were a cheesy trainwreck but by the end I was hooked enough to give it a couple episodes.

I did notice that seven year season run they tried to build into it. LMFAO
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Post by: TheUnabeefer on September 18, 2013, 12:55:35 PM
In its favour, it was created by the creators of Alias, Fringe, and some of the writers of the new Star Trek movies.

Yup, pretty much the only reason I'm giving it multiple episodes to decide.  With Alias, Fringe and the new Star Wars franchises, there was more than met the eye at first behind what was going on.  Hopefully, with this show playing out as the first one did, it won't wait until the 12th or 13th episode before being clear about its 'intent' (like Fringe did for me: wasn't until ep 14 'Ability' that I was sure I'd keep watching it).  [Of course, if it remains like the first one, it won't last until the 12th or 13th episode: this is FOX we're talking about. :P]

Ability is the episode I tell people to watch through to before deciding if they want to continue watching Fringe or not. It was really the turning point episode where it stopped being "procedural" and I think it was probably written shortly after the ratings came in for the first slew of episodes. (When they knew they'd be getting a second season)
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Post by: Kete on September 18, 2013, 01:06:20 PM
Watched Brooklyn Nine-Nine last night.  I liked it.  I think it has a lot of potential.
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Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 18, 2013, 05:19:33 PM
Watched Brooklyn Nine-Nine last night.  I liked it.  I think it has a lot of potential.

Yeah, it was really fun.
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Post by: TheUnabeefer on September 18, 2013, 06:15:08 PM
Getting back to Fringe, where every conversation should invariably lead, everyone should watch Almost Human on Nov 4!!!
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Post by: k1 on September 18, 2013, 06:41:34 PM
Watched Brooklyn Nine-Nine last night.  I liked it.  I think it has a lot of potential.

Yeah, it was really fun.

Agreed.
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Post by: LucasM on September 18, 2013, 07:25:09 PM
Getting back to Fringe, where every conversation should invariably lead, everyone should watch Almost Human on Nov 4!!!

Yup, plan to.  Others I plan on trying:
Sep 24 - Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Oct 9 - Tomorrow People
Sep 26 - The Crazy Ones [Robin Williams and Sarah Michelle Gellar? even disliking sitcoms, the WTF factor has me curious]
2014 Feb 24 - Intelligence
2014 Jan - Helix
2014 - Believe [more JJ Abrams]

Edit:  Forgot to add, will also be watching 'Masters of Sex' a dramatization of the pioneering work of William Masters and Virginia Johnson that began to bring America (and much of the world) out of the dark ages with regards to sexuality.  For RiffTrax folk, there's very familiar faces: Michael Sheen, the effeminate Volturi from Twilight is Wm Masters; Lizzie Caplan, 'head-expoloding-girl' from Cloverfield is Virginia Johnson [and, less direct RiffTrax relationship: Nicholas D'Agosto, the guy who played Claire, the indestructible cheerleader,'s boyfriend in season 2 of Heroes is a close colleague of Dr. Masters].
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Post by: LucasM on October 03, 2013, 03:20:37 AM
Well... updates:
Dropping Sleepy Hollow.  I got more and more bored with it for the second and third episodes, rather than drawn into it more.  Not a good sign... so it's 'apocalypse' for this series for me.

Saw the first episode of Gellar and Williams' The Crazy Ones.  Since I don't find sitcoms funny, the only interest was to see how the two would interact (and see if their compatibility would be of interest).  While it's second episode is on tonight, I think it is unlikely I'll continue with it.  Call me 'Crazy', but they are out of it as well.  Not good if you don't even smile once during a sitcom.  [I've tried other sitcoms in recent years (Parks and Recreation, and this year, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, and The Michael J. Fox Show with the same result: not a single smile.  Sitcoms and I just don't get along I guess, so my NOT liking these doesn't necessarily mean that others won't enjoy them.]

Saw the first episode of 'Masters of Sex'.  I haven't read a biog about the history of the two [Masters and Johnson, for those who haven't read the post directly above this one], but I wouldn't be surprised if this is fairly accurate (if a tad melodramatic at times), given the time of this bit of history (the 50s).  This one I will likely keep watching for the time being.

I suspect my continuing to watch 'Marvel's Agents of SHIELD' is likely understood, given the posts I've made in that thread (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=25787.0).
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Kete on October 03, 2013, 09:00:16 AM
I just don't enjoy network TV dramas anymore.  They are all just a gimmick with no decent writing.  They are good for a couple episodes then it gets boring.  24 episodes is also way too much.  They need to go quality over quantity.  That's why cable dramas are kicking their butts.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: goflyblind on November 08, 2013, 07:09:00 AM
holy shit, i'm watching ground floor, and it's one of the worst sitcoms i've seen in a long time (which is saying a lot). it's got john mcginley basically being dr cox from scrubs, but without any depth or good writing.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on November 08, 2013, 10:59:52 AM
Golfyblind... get to IMDB post haste! You can be the first to write a review of the show! (In my experience, pretty much everything produced for TBS is not "very funny" at all... save for Conan... which was really just inherited from somewhere else)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Kete on November 08, 2013, 11:02:00 AM
Is that where the term "post-haste" comes from?  Hastily posting things online?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Thrifty Version II on November 08, 2013, 03:55:10 PM
Golfyblind... get to IMDB post haste! You can be the first to write a review of the show! (In my experience, pretty much everything produced for TBS is not "very funny" at all... save for Conan... which was really just inherited from somewhere else)

TBS has basically taken the laugh track and translated it into written form.  Instead of laughing noises telling you something is supposed to be funny, they just have text do that.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: ScottotD on November 09, 2013, 06:15:08 AM
@Midnight is a LOT of fun, captures a lot of the joy of shows like QI, Spicks 'n Specks, etc.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on November 09, 2013, 06:26:30 AM
@Midnight is a LOT of fun, captures a lot of the joy of shows like QI, Spicks 'n Specks, etc.

My wife & I keep yelling "POINTS!" whenever someone IRL says something funny.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: RoninFox on November 10, 2013, 03:49:16 AM
@Midnight is a LOT of fun, captures a lot of the joy of shows like QI, Spicks 'n Specks, etc.

My wife & I keep yelling "POINTS!" whenever someone IRL says something funny.

Watching @Midnight quickly became a daily tradition when I come home from work in the early morning and Erica is still up.  The episode last week with Jonah Ray nearly broke us, I hope Chris has his Nerdist co-hosts on a lot.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: anais.butterfly on November 10, 2013, 05:56:23 AM
I am in love with Brooklyn nine-nine. Andy Samberg/Andre Braugher are my favorite duo of ever!


The fact that Andy Samberg is one of the hottest comedy men out there certainly helps. Splooge.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: goflyblind on November 10, 2013, 06:21:49 AM
i was going to like your post, but i only agree with the first half.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on November 11, 2013, 05:18:16 AM
i was going to like your post, but i only agree with the first half.

I had the same thought. But then I went ahead and liked it anyway.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TeamRAD on November 12, 2013, 06:15:11 AM
I am in love with Brooklyn nine-nine.

I can definitely second that. It was enjoyable, but man did everything come together during the episode where they introduced the vulture. It was wonderful getting that ensemble cast on the same page against that turd, and it's been awesome ever since. I'm still patiently awaiting for them to unleash Peretti in an episode. I'm so happy her career is taking off. 

Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on December 04, 2013, 06:37:38 PM
Well, it took a couple episodes to grow on me, and a couple more to see more of where it was going (at least to start), but I'm starting to really like Almost Human.  I mean, it starts as basically a TV version of the film 'I, Robot' (with minor nods to 'Blade Runner'), but has developed more depth than 'I, Robot' already.  I like Carl Urban as the lead, his android partner played by Michael Ealy, and it is nice to see Minka Kelly in it (had never seen her in anything before).

I do hope that there is a 'bigger picture' coming.  Somehow with JJ Abrams as Exec Producer, and J. H. Wyman as creator, I suspect 'bigger picture' to be a core of the show's idea.  I just hope Fox allows it to develop long enough to hook enough viewers for those ideas to get fleshed out.
Title: MID SEASON REPORT
Post by: stethacantus on December 10, 2013, 10:08:42 PM
At lest this use to be the mid season way back when. When I was growing up, the new season began just after Labor Day, took a one to two week break for Christmas/New Years, and ended around the first week of March. Then the networks decided they needed to participate in the May Sweeps, and the season was padded out with mid-season reruns and the odd unnecessary hiatus, while the beginning of the season on many shows were delayed as late as November. Many shows now have shorter seasons, and networks are promoting Winter and Summer seasons, while full season shows, which are quickly becoming the dinosaurs of the industry, now have something called the mid season finale. Still, now is a good time to catch up on any series you may have skipped, provided the past season is available on Hulu or iN Demand. Out of the new series that debuted on network television, here is my top 10 in order of preference.


#1 The Blacklist
James Spader is one of the F.B.I.s most wanted who one day turns himself in. He wants amnesty for his past crimes, and in trade will help the government track down some of the worlds worst international criminals and terrorists. And he insists on being teamed with Elizabeth Keen, an agent who has just begun working that day and has never met him before. Another variation on the Brimstone premise, with a bit of the X-Files thrown in, and even a little bit of last year's Hannibal, you would think the gimmick would grow tired after a few episodes. But it has remained strong throughout the season, ending with a spectacular two part mid season finale where the black op fortress Spader works for is attacked by mercenaries.

#2 Almost Human
With a late start I only have a few episodes to work with here, but this new J.J. Abrams series, about a police detective working with an android partner, has so far been one of the best new shows this season. It has a constant big budget cinematic quality, and instantly likable characters. And even though the premise seems like something that has been done many times before, it does something I like sci-fi series to do, explore futuristic tech and scientific concepts. A lazy sci-fi show would just have the cops solving regular murders.

#3 Dracula
I began watching this with little expectations only because it was about Dracula, and more than half expected it to be disaster. One does not watch the new Dracula series without first being confused. There have been many adaptations of Dracula, all which follow a plot identical to the source novel. During a storm a ship wrecks on the shores of England, the crew either dead or missing, the body of the captain lashed to the ship's wheel. That same week the mysterious Count Dracula moves into a nearby manor, and soon after there are a number of mysterious deaths. Professor Van Helsing is called in to attempt to cure the aristocrat Lucy Westenra who is near death and suffering from an unexplained loss of blood. Van Helsing realizes a vampire is responsible, and soon suspects Dracula. His diagnosis of vampirism is confirmed after Lucy dies and soon after rises from her own grave. Van Helsing realizes that Dracula is now targeting Lucy's friend Mina. Most adaptations explain this infatuation as Mina either resembling or being a reincarnation of the Count's wife who had died hundreds of years earlier. The adaptations end with Dracula being tracked to his coffin just as the sun is setting, and getting the steak through the heart. This new adaptation of Dracula has almost none of this. It has all of the same characters, but in a brand new story. This time Van Helsing is in league with Dracula. Together they are attempting to destroy a secret society who was responsible for murdering Van Helsings family, and the same to Dracula's family centuries earlier, as well as deliberately turning Dracula into a vampire as further punishment. Dracula is masquerading as a rich American named Alexander Grayson, and he has invented some sort of new generator that is capable of transmitting electricity without wires. Yep, this is how Dracula and Van Helsing plan to take their revenge, by bankrupting the secret society, who wealth is invested in the emerging gasoline industry. Renfield is no longer the crazy bug eating lawyer that Dracula turned crazy, but instead Dracula's rather large and quite sane African American servant. Lucy is now a lesbian secretly in love with Mina, who once again resembles Dracula's long dead wife, just about the only thing in common with the past adaptations. Dracula spends most of the time in his guise as Grayson, seeming more like a parody of Leonardo Dicaprio than the king of the vampires. And there is also Victoria Smurfit  as a leather clad vampire hunter who knows Kung Fu, who has an affair with Grayson unaware that he is really Dracula. Despite all of this Dracula seemed to work in its first two episodes, then became better as the story unfolded. It has nothing to do with the story of Dracula, and you will be wondering why the Dracula character is in this Victorian soap opera, but inevitably it is another excellent new series.

#4 Once Upon a Time in Wonderland
Once Upon a Time is one of those guilty pleasure series, not great, but good enough to be addictive. It's spin off series, ....Wonderland, surpasses it in both story telling and visual effects. During yet another visit to Wonderland, a grown up Alice falls in love with a genie named Cyrus who had traveled to Wonderland to escape the evil Jafar. When Jafar teams up with the Red Queen to capture Cyrus and drain him of his magic, Alice sets out to rescue him. What a shame it is getting poor ratings and is constantly rumored to be close to cancelation. If you have never seen it, now is a good time to catch the past episodes on Hulu, especially those of you with a Nielsen box. I hate it when a series this good doesn't survive while the crap on the other channels gets renewed. And don't worry about the spin-off thing. The plot and characters do not continue from the parent series, just the premise that other fantasy realms exist.

#5 The Crazy Ones
You probably would not expect a comedy series that boasts the return of Robin Williams to be any good, Considering the hit and usually miss track record of past comedy series with slumming former movie stars. And the promos for this series this past summer were not that good. But this is yet another solid David E Kelly series with the same feel of Ally McBeal and Boston Legal, only with an ad agency instead of another law firm, and condensed down to a half hour.

#6 The Goldbergs
I never intended to watch this one. The premise is a family in the 80s, which sounds a lot like a lot of lame jokes about Michael Jackson, Pac Man, Break Dancing and The Rubik's Cube, etc.  Actually, the series is more like The Wonder Years than That 70s Show, and so far the 80s jokes have been kept to a minimum. The only reason I gave this show a chance was that it was on after Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D., and the teenage girl shown in the posters promoting the show looked really cute, and had a lot of potential should the show go the "Kelly Bundy" route with her character. The show was surprisingly enjoyable.

#7 Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Now comes a big drop off in the quality of the new shows. Ask yourself this. When agent Coulson was killed in the movie The Avengers, and Captain America and the other heroes were sitting around the table getting teary eyed about his passing, did you find the scene sad, or were you impatient for the characters get back to fighting Loki and his minions?  The Coulson character had appeared in just about every Marvel movie prior to The Avengers, and each time S.H.I.E.L.D. showed up that movie came to a dead halt. But when it came time for Marvel to produce a television series spin off from their current cinematic universe,   actor Clark Gregg was the only one willing to commit to a series. So his character was revived from the dead. Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. was created by Stan Lee at the height of the 60s Spy craze, but went no further than 17 issues. In contrast, Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos lasted for 11 years, and continued as reprints until 1981 bringing the series to 167 issues before Marvel pulled the plug. Though S.H.I.E.L.D. did not last that long as a book, the organization became part of the Marvel universe, occasionally turning up in various titles, but never being as popular as Stan Lee made it out to be. In 1998 FOX purchased the rights to do a S.H.I.E.L.D. series starring David Hasselhoff as Nick Fury, but it went no further than a low rated pilot movie. The organization took on importance again when it was used to tie together the movies in Marvel's cinematic universe. This time it is S.H.I.E.L.D. who organize The Avengers. The original book had the heroes band together to fight Loki without any organization asking them to, then decided to remain as a team. The only reason to watch the new S.H.I.E.L.D. series is that it does tie into the Marvel cinematic universe, and does occasionally have characters from those films show up for cameos. But otherwise, it is an X-Files clone with spies. Though not as fun as the other series on my list, and nowhere as fun as The Avengers, it is entertaining enough to continue watching, and does have the promise of improving. And there are those surprise cameos.

#8 The Tomorrow People
Yep, a typical CW show. This time a remake of a classic British sci-fi series from the 70s. In the CW version, the Tomorrow People are a group of teenagers who are the next stage in human evolution, meaning they have X-Men like mutant abilities. They can teleport themselves, shoot telepathic energy from their hands, and read minds. A secret government agency called Ultra exists that hunts down the Tomorrow People, looking to take their powers away, or exterminate the mutants who they deem too dangerous. To hide from Ultra, the Tomorrow People create a secret base in an abandoned subway station. In other words, a series about teenagers with special powers. The only reason why I began watching this one, other than it was on after Arrow, is that every day last summer I would walk past the advertising poster for the series in the subway. The poster had actress Peyton List in a tight leather outfit.

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/shawleechan/TTP23.jpg)
That's her on the left.

I have been watching the series for about eight weeks so far, and she has not worn that outfit once. So much for truth in advertising. The series itself is hardly as classic as the series it was based on, but is entertaining enough to continue watching. Although if the CW announced it was canceled it would not bother me a bit.

#9 Sleepy Hollow
Why the hell would anyone make a television series out of the short story The Legend of Sleepy Hollow?  Much like with Dracula, The same characters from the story are reimagined. Ichabod Crane is now a Revolutionary War soldier who was the one who originally cut the horseman's head off. Ichabod was killed during that battle, but is mysteriously brought back to life in the present, only to discover the Headless Horseman has also returned from the dead, and is now randomly appearing and beheading people. And it turns out that the Headless Horseman is actually one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and once he has found his missing head will be able to summon the other three Horsemen and bring about the end of time. And Katrina Van Tassel? She turned out to be a witch, and was the one who cast the spell that caused Ichabod to return from the dead. Currently she is trapped in purgatory, and is occasionally able to contact Ichabod in his dreams. The Horseman is barely on the show, only appearing in about every fourth episode. Instead the show had Ichabod battling a different monster or demon every week. Much like S.H.I.E.L.D. and Tomorrow People, Sleepy Hollow is just entertaining enough to watch, but borders on being a series I could easily drop.

#10 [ Tie ] The Michael J Fox Show and Trophy Wife
These are the two series I actually dropped after watching their respective pilots. Just not entertaining enough for me to watch again.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Pak-Man on December 19, 2013, 04:18:18 PM
Adult Swim's "Rick and Morty" is the best new animated series to come out of Adult Swim in a very long time.

(It's also kind of the ONLY new animated series to come out of Adult Swim in a very long time, but it IS really good!)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on December 19, 2013, 04:54:27 PM
Man, as much as I wanted to like it, I very much didn't.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 03, 2014, 10:41:27 PM
That's my review for Agents of SHIELD.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: wurwolf on January 06, 2014, 05:18:12 AM
I, too, am echoing the love for Brooklyn Nine Nine. Usually shows like that take a little while to get going but that show was pretty awesome right out of the box, and so far it's kept its momentum. Plus I do love Joe Lo Truglio, he won mad love from me in the movie Role Models and is one of my favorite comedic actors of all time. His Al Capone bit on Drunk History was hilarious.

Speaking of....

http://www.youtube.com/v/xzzYJ1aDjhM?hl=en_US&amp;version=3

Check out Drunk History, too.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on January 06, 2014, 11:13:28 AM
Nice to see you again, wurwolf. :)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TeamRAD on January 06, 2014, 02:36:41 PM
Sundance's The Returned was a great watch.

Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: gbeenie on January 06, 2014, 08:26:44 PM
Sundance's The Returned was a great watch.

A thousand times THIS.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 07, 2014, 05:10:48 AM
Sundance's The Returned was a great watch.

A documentary chronicling the downfall of Blockbuster?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: TeamRAD on January 07, 2014, 09:06:15 AM
Sundance's The Returned was a great watch.

A thousand times THIS.

I'm completely on-board.  The mysteries the show has developed are pretty awesome. It also gave us cool shots such as this:

(http://images.amcnetworks.com/sundancechannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/2931800377001.jpg)

...and

Spoiler (click to show/hide)






Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 28, 2015, 08:26:14 PM
Once again, it is time to dust off this thread for the new season, now that it has (semi-)firmly begun. :)

OK, tentatively I'm giving a chance to more shows this season to begin with than I have in literally decades.  Not yet convinced on them all, though one convinced me with its first outing that I would not watch the second (that being the New Muppet Show).

While I'm not yet ready to recommend anything, is anyone else quite happy with something they've seen thus far?


Oh, and is anyone aware of an easy place to find out how many episodes of a show were ordered before a season started?  I know that IsMyShowCancelled? (http://www.ismyshowcancelled.com) is pretty good for if something is cancelled, but I'm looking for basically the other end of the spectrum: how long a season could potentially last (basically a maximum, rather than minimum).  Even with old favorites (as few of those as there are remaining on air), it is nice to know how many will be aired.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 28, 2015, 08:30:49 PM
though one convinced me with its first outing that I would not watch the second (that being the New Muppet Show).

Wow, really?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2015, 03:26:03 AM
though one convinced me with its first outing that I would not watch the second (that being the New Muppet Show).

Wow, really?

Yes, really.  It is being done like a ‘reality show’ [which I detest to begin with] and has petty behind the scenes bickering and shit going on, with flashbacks of Miss Piggy and Kermit having dated at one point, but broke up because Miss Piggy was (surprise) too self-centered.  I don’t think I actually LAUGHED during the show ONCE.  I may have smiled at one joke, but that was about it.  The rest of the time I was thinking, basically, ‘get on with it’.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Pak-Man on September 29, 2015, 11:19:01 AM
I don't really know why, but the gag about Imagine Dragons' original name seemed extra-Muppety to me. It's a little flimsy, but that's the anchor I'm holding on to for hope. There were a few other moments here and there where the old magic peeked through. I'm sure not ready to give up on it yet.

I don't expect it to happen, but it occurred to me that it'd actually be pretty awesome if every episode aped the style of a different TV show and the whole Office schtick was just for the pilot.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on September 29, 2015, 11:34:54 AM
Once again, it is time to dust off this thread for the new season, now that it has (semi-)firmly begun. :)

OK, tentatively I'm giving a chance to more shows this season to begin with than I have in literally decades.  Not yet convinced on them all, though one convinced me with its first outing that I would not watch the second (that being the New Muppet Show).

While I'm not yet ready to recommend anything, is anyone else quite happy with something they've seen thus far?


Oh, and is anyone aware of an easy place to find out how many episodes of a show were ordered before a season started?  I know that IsMyShowCancelled? (http://www.ismyshowcancelled.com) is pretty good for if something is cancelled, but I'm looking for basically the other end of the spectrum: how long a season could potentially last (basically a maximum, rather than minimum).  Even with old favorites (as few of those as there are remaining on air), it is nice to know how many will be aired.

Try http://epguides.com
I use that for a bunch of info on shows
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2015, 02:52:41 PM
Once again, it is time to dust off this thread for the new season, now that it has (semi-)firmly begun. :)

OK, tentatively I'm giving a chance to more shows this season to begin with than I have in literally decades.  Not yet convinced on them all, though one convinced me with its first outing that I would not watch the second (that being the New Muppet Show).

While I'm not yet ready to recommend anything, is anyone else quite happy with something they've seen thus far?


Oh, and is anyone aware of an easy place to find out how many episodes of a show were ordered before a season started?  I know that IsMyShowCancelled? (http://www.ismyshowcancelled.com) is pretty good for if something is cancelled, but I'm looking for basically the other end of the spectrum: how long a season could potentially last (basically a maximum, rather than minimum).  Even with old favorites (as few of those as there are remaining on air), it is nice to know how many will be aired.

Try http://epguides.com
I use that for a bunch of info on shows

Thanks.  Yeah, I use that almost daily.  But they only show the ones actively scheduled (so, for like the next month or two tops), not giving info on the number ordered for a season.  The number of episodes ordered used to be the case with TVRage.com (which epguides used to link to for individual episode descriptions), but prior to the new season that became no longer available [the message on their home page is "TVRage.com servers are down since Sun, Sep 6th, 5:00am. Please be patient, we are working on fixing this issue."].
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on September 29, 2015, 03:17:03 PM
Oh, and is anyone aware of an easy place to find out how many episodes of a show were ordered before a season started?  I know that IsMyShowCancelled? (http://www.ismyshowcancelled.com) is pretty good for if something is cancelled, but I'm looking for basically the other end of the spectrum: how long a season could potentially last (basically a maximum, rather than minimum).  Even with old favorites (as few of those as there are remaining on air), it is nice to know how many will be aired.

Try http://epguides.com
I use that for a bunch of info on shows

Thanks.  Yeah, I use that almost daily.  But they only show the ones actively scheduled (so, for like the next month or two tops), not giving info on the number ordered for a season.  The number of episodes ordered used to be the case with TVRage.com (which epguides used to link to for individual episode descriptions), but prior to the new season that became no longer available [the message on their home page is "TVRage.com servers are down since Sun, Sep 6th, 5:00am. Please be patient, we are working on fixing this issue."].

Oh. I thought it used to show how many episodes there were going to be.  I thought it typically said Episode (whatever number) & TBD for the date for the whole season until info was available.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on September 29, 2015, 03:21:42 PM
As for new shows, so far I've watched Blindspot & The Muppets

I enjoyed both.

Not new, but not really old... I watched Killjoys & Dark Matter.  Both were ok. Not great. But good SyFy filler for while we waited on new shows to start up.  I mainly watched them after my wife went to bed & I was still awake.

I still have a couple other shows on the DVR like Minority Report, Limitless, The Player that I haven't gotten to yet. I forget if there are any others.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 29, 2015, 03:50:59 PM
Now that Amazon VOD makes you pay up front for a season pass, you can usually figure out how many episodes are going to be in a season by looking at the price of the season pass.



Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 29, 2015, 05:10:25 PM
though one convinced me with its first outing that I would not watch the second (that being the New Muppet Show).

Wow, really?

Yes, really.  It is being done like a ‘reality show’ [which I detest to begin with] and has petty behind the scenes bickering and shit going on, with flashbacks of Miss Piggy and Kermit having dated at one point, but broke up because Miss Piggy was (surprise) too self-centered.  I don’t think I actually LAUGHED during the show ONCE.  I may have smiled at one joke, but that was about it.  The rest of the time I was thinking, basically, ‘get on with it’.

The Muppets always broke the fourth wall and addressed the audience and also always had behind the scenes bickering between Kermit and Piggy. It's only the minorest of updates on the original formula, and it makes them contemporary, which makes a lot of sense.

As for the break-up, they had to do SOMETHING about the fact that their relationship was built on abuse by Miss Piggy, and the 'comedy' that comes from that is very dated and inappropriate. I am pretty sure they are going to have Piggy grow as a character and have a will-they-won't they scenario, eventually bringing them back together.

If you didn't laugh, you didn't laugh, but I thought Sam the Eagle killed, and I really liked Scooter too. I don't think it was the funniest show I've ever seen, but I think it was funny and had a lot of promise.

Pilots of sit-coms are traditionally terrible - look at the first six episodes of Parks and Recreation, but it went on to be one of the best sit-coms ever made.

And, as I said in the other thread, the entire first season of The Muppet Show is average at best. Luckily people gave it a chance and it grew and became something amazing.

Anyway, if you hated it, don't watch it I guess, but I am surprised by the very mixed reaction the show is getting. I wonder if some people are being extra harsh on this pilot because they are already familiar with The Muppets, and not allowing them to do the setting up they would normally let a new show do?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Darth Geek on September 29, 2015, 05:32:22 PM
I think the use of the Office-like interviews isn't really edgy, because they used to do fourth wall breaking all the time. So it feels like they are trying to ride a trend but forgetting that they helped start that kind of thing. Plus, when they did it on the Muppet Show, it was out of place an unexpected, which made it funny. Here talking to the camera is expected, plus they are really essentially talking to the interviewers not the audience, who we never get to see. If they want to do something more creative, have us actually see the interviewers sometimes.
  I agree that Sam Eagle in particular was great. His walkby line "Can't say Hell." was probably the biggest laugh I had.
  The one good thing about their breakup is that Kermit isn't taking Piggy's shit anymore (except what is related to his job). His open disdain for her is refreshing in that it reflects on how I have felt about her from the beginning. Unfortunately the bitterness Kermit shows doesn't feel like the character we have come to know and love over the years. It feels like seeing an old friend broken, and is just kinda sad.
  I actually disagree with you about the first season of the Muppet Show. Aside from the characters not being quite as fleshed out (and some key ones not even being there yet), the humor and tone of the show feels fully formed. Which is all the more surprising when you watch the Sex and Violence pilot where it's really really not.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 29, 2015, 05:35:25 PM
I think the use of the Office-like interviews isn't really edgy, because they used to do fourth wall breaking all the time. So it feels like they are trying to ride a trend but forgetting that they helped start that kind of thing. Plus, when they did it on the Muppet Show, it was out of place an unexpected, which made it funny. Here talking to the camera is expected, plus they are really essentially talking to the interviewers not the audience, who we never get to see. If they want to do something more creative, have us actually see the interviewers sometimes.

You've seen the first episode, they may very well do that!

I actually disagree with you about the first season of the Muppet Show. Aside from the characters not being quite as fleshed out (and some key ones not even being there yet), the humor and tone of the show feels fully formed. Which is all the more surprising when you watch the Sex and Violence pilot where it's really really not.

You don't think there is a massive jump between seasons 1 and 2?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Darth Geek on September 29, 2015, 06:20:05 PM

You don't think there is a massive jump between seasons 1 and 2?
In humor and tone? No. In production quality and more characters, yes.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 29, 2015, 06:24:03 PM

You don't think there is a massive jump between seasons 1 and 2?
In humor and tone? No. In production quality and more characters, yes.

Boy oh boy, we will have to agree to disagree then.

The first season has the awful Wayne and Wanda sketches, the houses, much more of the at the ballroom sketches, and all of the sketches are much longer than they would be in future sesaons. The musical numbers are largely worse too. I am the biggest Muppet fan going, but season 1 is basically a different show than the following seasons.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Darth Geek on September 29, 2015, 08:33:18 PM
I didn't mind Wayne and Wanda, since there bits were usually pretty short (since they never got far into a song), and it was always the introduction by Sam that was the most funny anyway. You are right, the houses were always really bad. Which surprised me, given that the prop was pretty elaborate and must have been quite expensive, and they didn't use it much (as I recall). I always found the ballroom bits funny, but they did get repetitive having them be in nearly every episode.

But watching through them from the beginning (I had a thread about it here http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=29279.0), I was surprised how many of my favorite bits were from the first season. Dr. Teeth singing "Money", "Just An Old Fashioned Love Song", Muppet Labs is always great even without Beaker, Fozzy and Kermit's bit about "good grief the comedian's a bear" is one of the funniest things they ever did on the whole show, and the Discusson Panel skits were fun.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 29, 2015, 08:38:32 PM
I didn't mind Wayne and Wanda, since there bits were usually pretty short (since they never got far into a song), and it was always the introduction by Sam that was the most funny anyway. You are right, the houses were always really bad. Which surprised me, given that the prop was pretty elaborate and must have been quite expensive, and they didn't use it much (as I recall). I always found the ballroom bits funny, but they did get repetitive having them be in nearly every episode.

But watching through them from the beginning (I had a thread about it here http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=29279.0), I was surprised how many of my favorite bits were from the first season. Dr. Teeth singing "Money", "Just An Old Fashioned Love Song", Muppet Labs is always great even without Beaker, Fozzy and Kermit's bit about "good grief the comedian's a bear" is one of the funniest things they ever did on the whole show, and the Discusson Panel skits were fun.

I don't say it's worthless, it just doesn't become a SOLID show until season 2.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2015, 09:00:34 PM
though one convinced me with its first outing that I would not watch the second (that being the New Muppet Show).

Wow, really?

Yes, really.  It is being done like a ‘reality show’ [which I detest to begin with] and has petty behind the scenes bickering and shit going on, with flashbacks of Miss Piggy and Kermit having dated at one point, but broke up because Miss Piggy was (surprise) too self-centered.  I don’t think I actually LAUGHED during the show ONCE.  I may have smiled at one joke, but that was about it.  The rest of the time I was thinking, basically, ‘get on with it’.

The Muppets always broke the fourth wall and addressed the audience and also always had behind the scenes bickering between Kermit and Piggy. It's only the minorest of updates on the original formula, and it makes them contemporary, which makes a lot of sense.

As for the break-up, they had to do SOMETHING about the fact that their relationship was built on abuse by Miss Piggy, and the 'comedy' that comes from that is very dated and inappropriate. I am pretty sure they are going to have Piggy grow as a character and have a will-they-won't they scenario, eventually bringing them back together.

If you didn't laugh, you didn't laugh, but I thought Sam the Eagle killed, and I really liked Scooter too. I don't think it was the funniest show I've ever seen, but I think it was funny and had a lot of promise.

Pilots of sit-coms are traditionally terrible - look at the first six episodes of Parks and Recreation, but it went on to be one of the best sit-coms ever made.

And, as I said in the other thread, the entire first season of The Muppet Show is average at best. Luckily people gave it a chance and it grew and became something amazing.

Anyway, if you hated it, don't watch it I guess, but I am surprised by the very mixed reaction the show is getting. I wonder if some people are being extra harsh on this pilot because they are already familiar with The Muppets, and not allowing them to do the setting up they would normally let a new show do?

I think it possible I didn't express myself well (in the condition I've been in the last few weeks, I wouldn't be surprised, but I am in such a condition that I can't really tell if it is me).

What I didn't like was the overall negativity: the bickering behind the scenes seemed more - well - vicious and bitter than it has been in the past (DGeek refers to this with Kermit being 'broken' - a related aside, I always detested Miss Piggy as well, but since she never got what she wanted, she was kept in check before... now within the new Muppet show, she's got her own show and sycophants reinforcing the worst aspects of her personality).  In addition to the viciousness and bitterness of the office politics, the bickering went beyond office politics, to Fozzie's anxiety about and interactions with his girlfriend's parents, who were simply nasty, cruel people (at least the father, the mother tried to appear civil).  That's not funny to me, it may be to others.

Yes, they've always broken the 4th wall.  I don't care about that, and sometimes that was the funniest parts.  No longer.

Related to your comment on 'early episodes not being terribly good', I found Parks and Recreation unwatchable, and I tried to watch an episode in the middle of its run... I'm pretty sure I couldn't make it though an entire episode before turning it off.  [Same with The Office.]
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 29, 2015, 09:16:09 PM
Related to your comment on 'early episodes not being terribly good', I found Parks and Recreation unwatchable, and I tried to watch an episode in the middle of its run... I'm pretty sure I couldn't make it though an entire episode before turning it off.  [Same with The Office.]

If you find Parks and Rec to be unwatchable, I don't even know what to say.

What sitcoms do you enjoy?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2015, 10:18:29 PM
Related to your comment on 'early episodes not being terribly good', I found Parks and Recreation unwatchable, and I tried to watch an episode in the middle of its run... I'm pretty sure I couldn't make it though an entire episode before turning it off.  [Same with The Office.]

If you find Parks and Rec to be unwatchable, I don't even know what to say.

What sitcoms do you enjoy?

Currently?  None.  My sole 'funny' each week comes from 'Whose Line is it Anyway?' and what humor is found in the dramas I watch (virtually none of which are 'real life' dramas).

But you bring up something that clearly I missed stating in my original post ('missing the point' being what ultimately led to my writing a lot post-third-TBI: only that way could I be sure I hit the point I was trying to make).  That clarifies the key issue I have with the new 'The Muppets' show, and why I am so vehemently against it, in comparison with the classic 'Muppet Show'.  The current one is a sitcom (roughly in the vein of The Office).  The classic Muppet Show was a variety show with a ton of humor and only the tiniest bit of behind the scenes 'story' (that had virtually no continuity [not that I'm against continuity in the right place; humor is not that place for me]).


I've had enough exposure to the pain of shitty relationships through working with mostly clients traumatized in childhood and their subsequent relationships.  I've had to deal with massive and widespread incompetence in those who were supposed to be treating me for my accidents.  I've been subjected to vicious attacks from the insurance company supposed to be helping me by paying what they made the wager would never be needed.  The third head injury basically stripped away my 'filter' so that my empathic capacity - which was a benefit while doing therapy - is so intense that I feel physical impact from things like anger.

Interpersonal conflict, and negativity is not funny to me.  It is, at best, a severely-draining irritant, at worst an outright trigger for the PTSD developed - not from the accidents, but from the insurance company's treatment of me - that I've had to deal with in the last 20+ years since accident #1.

Sitcoms aren't funny to me.  Had I realized that The Muppets was a sitcom, not a variety show, I might very well have not bothered to watch the first one.

Hopefully that explains things a bit better.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 29, 2015, 10:57:12 PM
Right, that makes sense.

If you don't like sit-coms, you're not going to like a sit-com.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on October 07, 2015, 03:22:58 PM
Well, two more shows I was giving a try are very close to getting the axe (from me, at least).  They are "Minority Report" and "Limitless".  Both appeared to have interesting Sci-Fi underpinnings, but both have basically presented as nothing but police procedurals.  Yes, the film Minority Report was a police procedural, but there was so much new and unique to it that it didn't become tedious.  We're talking episode three and already I feel the MR series is tedious (Limitless made it to tedious by episode two, but since I recorded episode three, I'll watch it and see how it goes).

So far none of the new shows have seemed exceptional to me.  I'm still trying 'Blindspot' for now (not quite sure how much is simply for Jaimie Alexander), and 'Heroes Reborn'.  But HR (hunh... just got a probably unintentional link for the show's initials: that was Jack Coleman's character's nickname ['HR', derived from 'Horn-Rimmed' glasses])... where was I?  ...but HR so far is tedious and uninvolving beyond even the worst season of the first run of the series.

Sorry folks, at this point I still have no new shows that I'd personally recommend.  Possibly when a few others I plan to give a try to start up there may be, but I'm not holding out much hope at this point.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 07, 2015, 04:40:21 PM
Well, two more shows I was giving a try are very close to getting the axe (from me, at least).  They are "Minority Report" and "Limitless".  Both appeared to have interesting Sci-Fi underpinnings, but both have basically presented as nothing but police procedurals.  Yes, the film Minority Report was a police procedural, but there was so much new and unique to it that it didn't become tedious.  We're talking episode three and already I feel the MR series is tedious (Limitless made it to tedious by episode two, but since I recorded episode three, I'll watch it and see how it goes).

Both are based on movies I really disliked, so I haven't looked at either (YES, I know MR is based on a Philip K Dick book, but it's meant to be a continuation of the movie)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on October 08, 2015, 05:50:42 AM
I agree on Minority Report. I can't see it lasting long. I mainly watched out of curiosity to see how they'd handle it.

Limitless isn't bad, but not great.  I'm enjoying (the one episode I've watched of) The Player more than Limitless.

I'm still working on Heroes Reborn's first episode. So far it's not really doing anything for me.

Blindspot appears to be the best of the bunch so far.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: anais.butterfly on October 08, 2015, 06:49:33 AM
I am greatly enjoying The Grinder and Scream Queens.

The Grinder is nothing special, but it makes me laugh and Rob Lowe and Fred Savage are delightful. Also, the waitress is in it.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on October 08, 2015, 03:15:24 PM
I'm still working on Heroes Reborn's first episode. So far it's not really doing anything for me.

Yeah.  The problem with 'Heroes Reborn' that I see is that there are no characters in it, it is all plot (and a flimsy one, at that).  The reason that the first season of the first series (i.e. the original 'Heroes') was so involving and intriguing, was because there was an intense focus on multiple fully-formed characters, and it just happened to have a very intense mystery story line as well.  So far, 'Heroes Reborn' has neither.  Even though the focus is on plot, there's not much of it (particularly for having had three episodes already!), and since there's no 3 dimensional characters, what little plot is there I could not care less about.

Unless things change dramatically with it, I can't see myself watching more than maybe two additional episodes.  Even those would be more 'can it really suck this bad for such a prolonged time when they got a reprieve on the show's first death?  They can't possibly be that stupid to let such an opportunity vaporize from being so ill-prepared.'
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: stethacantus on October 09, 2015, 10:19:30 PM
It is still too early in the season to see what some shows are building to, or if the others that began strong will not run out of steam. But here is what I think of the new shows I am watching so far.

Blood & Oil = really good
Quantico = good & has potential
Minority Report =  so-so   Gave up on it after second episode. But will continue to DVD and fast forward through the episodes to see what Meagan Good is wearing
Blindspot = stupid premise but well executed. Really good and getting better
The Muppets =  funnier that I thought it would be. Will have to keep watching. Has potential of becoming one of my favorites.
Scream Queens = more style than substance, but very entertaining.
Best Time Ever = the prime time American adaption of Sabado Gigante. From the company that decided to cancel the original Sabado Gigante.
Heroes Reborn = oh yea, that's why we began hating Heroes. This better lead to some sort of payoff this time.
The Player = really good with potential of becoming a favorite.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on October 12, 2015, 08:14:28 PM
Well, two more shows I was giving a try are very close to getting the axe (from me, at least).  They are "Minority Report" and "Limitless".  Both appeared to have interesting Sci-Fi underpinnings, but both have basically presented as nothing but police procedurals.  Yes, the film Minority Report was a police procedural, but there was so much new and unique to it that it didn't become tedious.  We're talking episode three and already I feel the MR series is tedious (Limitless made it to tedious by episode two, but since I recorded episode three, I'll watch it and see how it goes).
Yep - the two got the axe and I won't watch any more of them unless I hear of some dramatic change in the way the shows are conceptualized and executed.


And even though it was new last year, not this, 'Gotham' is hanging by a very thin thread, that is fraying simply the more I think about it.  To quote me from another thread here:
With season 2 of Gotham, I wasn't sure there was anything potentially worse than apparently giving the Joker a backstory [seemed like it for episodes 1 and 2]... and then episode 3
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Another series, which I binge-watched the first (1/2-)season of when I was bored (and needed something mindless to watch... or brainless, in this case) during the Summer, I doubt I'll continue with, and that was iZombie.  Seemed nominally clever at first, but very quickly got tiring and formulaic.  When the first episode of season 2 was available to see, it felt like a chore to set aside time to watch it.  That's never a good sign. ;D


Can there seriously be so little left (in non-'reality', non-sitcom genres) that is new that might be worth a damn?

I've seen the pilot for Supergirl and wasn't terribly impressed, but when it starts up I'll give it a few episodes before condemning it.  The 'Pandora's Box - have to recollect all the sins' overarching plot (which dates back at least to the old 'Friday the 13th' TV series) is so tiring.

There are a couple more that I'm going to give a try when they start (early 2016, apparently), and those are Legends of Tomorrow and Lucifer.  I have higher hopes for the latter than the former, but even there, the hopes are restrained, given the fate of Constantine last year (which I enjoyed).


I think the impression of current shows has been further eroded because I just finished rewatching Firefly over the weekend.  To go from that show to anything on TV now is such a massive drop in quality and uniqueness of ideas, writing (especially the inclusion of humor in serious shows), and usually acting, it makes everything else pale in comparison.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 12, 2015, 08:23:40 PM
I don't like what I've read about the adaptation of Lucifer at all, which is a shame because I love the comics.

Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on October 13, 2015, 02:57:41 PM
Well, two more shows I was giving a try are very close to getting the axe (from me, at least).  They are "Minority Report" and "Limitless".  Both appeared to have interesting Sci-Fi underpinnings, but both have basically presented as nothing but police procedurals.  Yes, the film Minority Report was a police procedural, but there was so much new and unique to it that it didn't become tedious.  We're talking episode three and already I feel the MR series is tedious (Limitless made it to tedious by episode two, but since I recorded episode three, I'll watch it and see how it goes).
Yep - the two got the axe and I won't watch any more of them unless I hear of some dramatic change in the way the shows are conceptualized and executed.


Minority Report has been cut from 13 episodes down to 10.  Might not even make it though all of those.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: BathTub on October 13, 2015, 06:45:47 PM
Is Narcos worth a watch?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on October 26, 2015, 02:28:43 PM
NBC cuts The Player and will only air 4 more episodes. (The remaining 4 of the 13 episode season will not air)

Meanwhile Limitless has been picked up by CBS for a full 22 episode season.


I am still a few episodes behind on Limitless, but if I had placed a bet on the two, I would've had it the other way. (That's why I don't gamble)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: soguru on October 26, 2015, 04:26:58 PM
I finally finished the first 3 seasons of Arrested Development a few weeks ago, so I ordered the fourth season on DVD, used. If anyone hasn't realized it yet, I really have a hard time with Digital only media.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 22, 2016, 04:49:31 PM
Well, so far, I have to agree with the pre-airdate critics statements: Designated Survivor looks like it has the chops to potentially last a long time and remain interesting while doing so.  I certainly am looking forward to seeing more.  Given my TV and film-watching preferences, that's saying a lot for me.  [Doesn't mean others will like it, but if you find the idea even marginally intriguing I think it's worth checking out at least.]
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 22, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
Well, so far, I have to agree with the pre-airdate critics statements: Designated Survivor looks like it has the chops to potentially last a long time and remain interesting while doing so.  I certainly am looking forward to seeing more.  Given my TV and film-watching preferences, that's saying a lot for me.  [Doesn't mean others will like it, but if you find the idea even marginally intriguing I think it's worth checking out at least.]

Cool, I was hoping it would be!

Also: The Good Place is wonderful. Michael Schur can do no wrong!
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Pak-Man on September 22, 2016, 08:19:36 PM
Son of Zorn ain't bad. Has the potential to be really good, actually.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 22, 2016, 08:39:58 PM
Son of Zorn ain't bad. Has the potential to be really good, actually.

Yeah - I wasn't blown away, but pilots are not the best way to judge a series, especially when they need to do some world-building like this one did. It certainly has laughs and promise.

Plus Last Man on Earth was a slow build, and suddenly it was one of the best shows going.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Russoguru on September 22, 2016, 09:07:40 PM
I think I'm getting addicted to digital tv/movie purchases. I just picked up some random episodes of Mythbusters, Game of Thrones and The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey thru Amazon. I already miss Mythbusters so much.  :'(
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 22, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
I'll have to check out The Good Place, Son of Zorn, and Last Man on Earth.  :)  Thanks!
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 22, 2016, 10:27:16 PM
I think I'm getting addicted to digital tv/movie purchases. I just picked up some random episodes of Mythbusters, Game of Thrones and The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey thru Amazon. I already miss Mythbusters so much.  :'(

Mythbusters was unique, and I miss it, but it was not as good the last few seasons, so it's probably for the best it went out on a high note with the special stuff they did the last bunch of episodes.

Buying shows and movies through services like Amazon has completely ruined me for regular TV, can't stand commercials now, it's even hard to watch live sports.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Russoguru on September 23, 2016, 06:14:39 PM
Buying shows and movies through services like Amazon has completely ruined me for regular TV, can't stand commercials now, it's even hard to watch live sports.
I'm okay with commercials. Every weeknight I try to watch Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune with my folks, so commercial breaks are kind of a mental necessity, if you follow me.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 25, 2016, 11:12:05 AM
The trailer for the Netflix original Marvel's Luke Cage looks good.  Season 1 drops on Netflix Friday (9/30).
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 25, 2016, 04:01:08 PM
The trailer for the Netflix original Marvel's Luke Cage looks good.  Season 1 drops on Netflix Friday (9/30).

Yeah, my finger's poised over my TV's 'Netflix' remote button already, just waiting for this. ;D  I have a feeling I'm going to like it even more than Jessica Jones and Daredevil.

Here's a great short article, and briefish interview with Cheo Hodari Coker (http://decider.com/2016/09/15/luke-cage-showrunner-cheo-hodari-coker-on-mike-colter-heroes-for-hire-and-making-an-inclusively-black-superhero-show/) (showrunner) about the general aspects of season one.  Nothing terribly spoilerish that hasn't already been presented in headlines in social media already.  [I don't know about the trailers' contents, I dislike spoilers so much I avoid watching even those when it comes to things I'm really anticipating.]
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: JimJ on September 26, 2016, 05:02:54 AM
I liked Pitch a lot more than I expected to.  It's a about a female pitcher getting called up to MLB.  I thought the first episode was really promising. 
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This Is Us, The Good Place and Designated Survivor are all looking pretty solid so far too.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on September 26, 2016, 01:53:46 PM
I liked Pitch a lot more than I expected to.  It's a about a female pitcher getting called up to MLB.  I thought the first episode was really promising. 
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This Is Us, The Good Place and Designated Survivor are all looking pretty solid so far too.

I was intrigued by Pitch but haven't watched it yet. Let me know how the next few episodes are.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Ortega on September 26, 2016, 11:12:10 PM
From what i've seen of The Good Place so far, its interesting and has it own unique style.  Haven't seen anything like it before.  However, i hold out judgement because the premise to me seems to be WAY out there, and I don't have faith in the networks to allow something like that to find its voice.

I just finished watching the Designated Survivor pilot.  Nice to see Keifer Sutherland again, and i like what i saw.  Looks to be like a more serious Madam Secretary.

Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on September 26, 2016, 11:52:33 PM
*spittake.gif*

Ortega!
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Johnny Unusual on September 26, 2016, 11:58:20 PM
Yeah, weird right?  Pleasant surprise to see some of the old folks again.  Whose next?  Junkyard?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Ortega on September 27, 2016, 12:28:11 AM
yeah, back from the dead.  naturally drifted away from the board, but i still lurk every now and then.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Johnny Unusual on September 27, 2016, 12:36:36 AM
Cool.  Glad to see you back!
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2016, 11:39:47 AM
The trailer for the Netflix original Marvel's Luke Cage looks good.  Season 1 drops on Netflix Friday (9/30).

Since I only recently got Netflix streaming, with new seasons of shows, are they available at 12:01am, or some time later in the day?

If 12am, then I can look forward to seeing at least four episodes tonight before bed. :)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 29, 2016, 12:52:28 PM
The trailer for the Netflix original Marvel's Luke Cage looks good.  Season 1 drops on Netflix Friday (9/30).

Since I only recently got Netflix streaming, with new seasons of shows, are they available at 12:01am, or some time later in the day?

If 12am, then I can look forward to seeing at least four episodes tonight before bed. :)

I know it's in the morning of the day listed, but I've never seen them at 12 or 1 AM eastern time, so it must be sometime after 12 AM Pacific Time.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2016, 12:56:42 PM
The trailer for the Netflix original Marvel's Luke Cage looks good.  Season 1 drops on Netflix Friday (9/30).
Since I only recently got Netflix streaming, with new seasons of shows, are they available at 12:01am, or some time later in the day?

If 12am, then I can look forward to seeing at least four episodes tonight before bed. :)
I know it's in the morning of the day listed, but I've never seen them at 12 or 1 AM eastern time, so it must be sometime after 12 AM Pacific Time.

Thanks!  Well... maybe I can get one or two episodes in before bed, depending.  [I suppose I could call their Customer Service and ask... if I do, I'll post what they tell me here.]
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2016, 01:33:21 PM
Just finished talking to someone in Customer Service at Netflix.  The person looked for the info for a good five minutes.  There is apparently neither a set time for releases of new Netflix-original shows across-the-board, nor is there an 'in print' time he could find for the release of Luke Cage by itself.  :P  The best he could do was to say, "if you've marked it as interested, it will show up in your 'My List' when it becomes available."

Not ideal, by any means.  I guess just every hour on the hour I'll stop whatever I'm already watching and check in with 'My List' to see if it showed up yet. ::)  I suspect your "Midnight Western time zone" idea is most likely, MartyS.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 29, 2016, 01:44:32 PM
When I buy season passes at Amazon the new episodes usually go live 4am eastern. 

When Chelsea first started, Netflix used to say new episodes would drop 12 or 1 AM Pacific time Wed,Thurs,Fri.  That show almost got annoying enough for me to stop watching it, but it has leveled off to slightly less annoying and just funny enough for me to continue to check out new episodes.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2016, 02:19:18 PM
When I buy season passes at Amazon the new episodes usually go live 4am eastern. 

When Chelsea first started, Netflix used to say new episodes would drop 12 or 1 AM Pacific time Wed,Thurs,Fri.  That show almost got annoying enough for me to stop watching it, but it has leveled off to slightly less annoying and just funny enough for me to continue to check out new episodes.

"4am eastern"  ...hmm... so Midnight Alaskan time zone.  Interesting choice. ;D  I have noticed that Amazon changes over their 'Orders' 'Open Orders' references (e.g. "arriving tomorrow", "arriving today") at 4am also.

I think I've only seen two episodes of Chelsea.  One was the round-table with the Civil War actors, the other with Mike Coulter.  If Chelsea doesn't get too cynical and negative and dominate discussions, I can tolerate and even enjoy her and her humor (i.e. in smaller doses than what was on her 'E!' show).  But I don't care for cynicism, nihilism, and seeing others as 'less human' as a way of perceiving the world, so at times she's a bit much for me.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: goflyblind on September 29, 2016, 02:23:14 PM
"4am eastern"  ...hmm... so Midnight Alaskan time zone.  Interesting choice. ;D  I have noticed that Amazon changes over their 'Orders' 'Open Orders' references (e.g. "arriving tomorrow", "arriving today") at 4am also.

what time zone is hawaii? that would ensure that the digital release happens that day for all of the u.s.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 29, 2016, 02:36:41 PM
"4am eastern"  ...hmm... so Midnight Alaskan time zone.  Interesting choice. ;D  I have noticed that Amazon changes over their 'Orders' 'Open Orders' references (e.g. "arriving tomorrow", "arriving today") at 4am also.

what time zone is hawaii? that would ensure that the digital release happens that day for all of the u.s.

Apparently it is one time zone further West than Alaska (so four hours later than Eastern).  So they don't quite do 'all the U.S. at once', unless they allow Hawaii to have things at 11pm the 'night before'.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 30, 2016, 01:11:35 AM
3am Eastern.  That's when Luke Cage went live.  ;D  Likin' it.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on February 08, 2017, 05:24:51 PM
Has this been largely a season of failures?  Most of the new shows I've tried have, over time, become less and less interesting for a variety of reasons.  Some seem to have failed straight out of the gate.

Last week I tried Powerless (the DC sitcom about a Wayne R&D department), and found it far too much typical sitcom (i.e. not at all funny), and too little 'DC'.  I will likely give it a couple more weeks if I can stomach it, but the first episode is supposed to wow new audiences.  For me the only wow was, "wow, I am so bored: this is so clichéd and trite!"

I am looking forward to the albeit brief season of Legion starting tonight (only 8 episodes).  From what little promo stuff I've allowed myself to see of it [I hate spoilers, for those who don't know] it looks like it might kick some serious psychological butt, mixed in with the mutant antics.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Darth Geek on February 08, 2017, 07:13:31 PM
Eh, I can't get interested in Legion. Sorry, but it's just not Legion without the silly hair:

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Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Pak-Man on February 08, 2017, 09:33:08 PM
Should he be played by Kid or Play?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 09, 2017, 01:28:05 AM
Did you get into The Good Place, Lucas? It's the best, IMO
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: k1 on February 09, 2017, 03:50:04 AM
APB was decent.
Powerless probably won't last. Too bad because the cast is great.
Riverdale was brutally awful. Didn't even make it through the pilot. Had to turn it off.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on February 09, 2017, 02:48:58 PM
Did you get into The Good Place, Lucas? It's the best, IMO

I'm glad you enjoy it.  For me the snide comments, the deception, the rudeness of Bell's character, and the saccharine-sweet tone (appearing artificial or at least shallow) of the others in 'the good place' were just too much for me, so I couldn't make it past the first episode.  Since TBI#3, I just can't tolerate personal and emotional deception at all (I was never terribly tolerant of it before, though I needed to at least be diplomatic about it while getting clients to open up and get past it, if need be).

Basically with TV series, if I couldn't see myself being at least reasonably comfortable with the characters in real life, I won't waste my time with them in fiction, as they will just - at best - irritate me (they certainly won't be entertaining).  [That's why I couldn't tolerate shows like Seinfeld, Cheers, Friends, Frasier, even before I just adopted the 'if it is a sitcom, I'm unlikely to tolerate it' position I've taken in the last nearly two decades, a position which has proven itself any time I've tried a sample of a more recent sitcom, even those with rave reviews (e.g. Parks&Rec, The Office, Modern Family).]
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 09, 2017, 04:23:38 PM
Did you get into The Good Place, Lucas? It's the best, IMO

I'm glad you enjoy it.  For me the snide comments, the deception, the rudeness of Bell's character, and the saccharine-sweet tone (appearing artificial or at least shallow) of the others in 'the good place' were just too much for me, so I couldn't make it past the first episode.  Since TBI#3, I just can't tolerate personal and emotional deception at all (I was never terribly tolerant of it before, though I needed to at least be diplomatic about it while getting clients to open up and get past it, if need be).

Basically with TV series, if I couldn't see myself being at least reasonably comfortable with the characters in real life, I won't waste my time with them in fiction, as they will just - at best - irritate me (they certainly won't be entertaining).  [That's why I couldn't tolerate shows like Seinfeld, Cheers, Friends, Frasier, even before I just adopted the 'if it is a sitcom, I'm unlikely to tolerate it' position I've taken in the last nearly two decades, a position which has proven itself any time I've tried a sample of a more recent sitcom, even those with rave reviews (e.g. Parks&Rec, The Office, Modern Family).]

I can't comment on your criticisms without giving major spoilers, but I am left wondering what sitcoms you can watch?
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on February 09, 2017, 05:39:20 PM
Did you get into The Good Place, Lucas? It's the best, IMO

I'm glad you enjoy it.  For me the snide comments, the deception, the rudeness of Bell's character, and the saccharine-sweet tone (appearing artificial or at least shallow) of the others in 'the good place' were just too much for me, so I couldn't make it past the first episode.  Since TBI#3, I just can't tolerate personal and emotional deception at all (I was never terribly tolerant of it before, though I needed to at least be diplomatic about it while getting clients to open up and get past it, if need be).

Basically with TV series, if I couldn't see myself being at least reasonably comfortable with the characters in real life, I won't waste my time with them in fiction, as they will just - at best - irritate me (they certainly won't be entertaining).  [That's why I couldn't tolerate shows like Seinfeld, Cheers, Friends, Frasier, even before I just adopted the 'if it is a sitcom, I'm unlikely to tolerate it' position I've taken in the last nearly two decades, a position which has proven itself any time I've tried a sample of a more recent sitcom, even those with rave reviews (e.g. Parks&Rec, The Office, Modern Family).]

I can't comment on your criticisms without giving major spoilers, but I am left wondering what sitcoms you can watch?

For the most part, none.  I just avoid them.  For simplicity's sake, if a TV show is 30 minutes, I skip it: period.  The only exception I tried recently was DC's Powerless which I commented on above (not likely to last more than 2-3 eps tops).

Oh, the other thing that angers me more than any of what I wrote before (yeah: me and language aren't yet on good speaking terms) is poor communication.  That occurs at an exponentially greater rate in sitcoms as fodder for 'amusement'.  Having worked with people whose personal lives and relationships were massively fucked by families of origin with shitty communication in them (among other things), and now with communicating causing so much mental drain that I can't tolerate wasting effort with people who can't communicate effectively, seeing such things as 'partially overhearing a conversation, misinterpreting it, but not asking for clarification on what was heard, and instead over-reacting' used to amuse outright pisses me off.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 09, 2017, 06:10:33 PM
It's a shame it wasn't for you. It is one of the best written and cleverly executed shows I've ever seen. I almost wonder if you went and read what the season finale twist was, if it might make it work for you, as it addresses some of your criticisms.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Ortega on May 22, 2017, 03:22:20 PM
Speechless was a better show than it had any right to be.  I was convinced that it would be a cloyingly overwrought message of disabled empowerment, but it actually is surprisingly subversive, and has the most realistic living situation I've ever seen on TV before.  And it routinely pokes fun and lampshades a lot of the tropes that a sitcom with this subject matter would usually employ.  Give it a shot.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: RoninFox on June 01, 2017, 09:35:11 AM
Found out after we moved that our new TV package includes free Starz for a year, and because of that we just dove into the first three episodes of American Gods.

I absolutely loved this book, and so far the series is an excellent adaptation. The casting is brilliant, the tone is spot on, everything just feels right.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: Variety of Cells on June 01, 2017, 03:31:46 PM
Found out after we moved that our new TV package includes free Starz for a year, and because of that we just dove into the first three episodes of American Gods.

I absolutely loved this book, and so far the series is an excellent adaptation. The casting is brilliant, the tone is spot on, everything just feels right.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm loving it as well so far. Never read the book, but the show is awesome. My favorite parts have been the contained introductions to different gods at the beginning of a few episodes. They are great little stories.
Title: Re: Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?
Post by: LucasM on September 17, 2018, 08:27:46 PM
Well... it seems it is about time to dust off this old chestnut of a thread, given that parts of the new TV season start next week.

So... what's people's take on new shows (once you've seen them)?  Or, which shows look interesting enough for you to try them?  And WHY - without the why they look interesting to you, the rest of us can't decide if it's worth our trying or not.

Thus far, for me, the only new thing that will get tried is:
  "The Rookie" - just to see what Nathan Fillion is doing since 'Castle' went off the air, since I don't care much for standard police procedurals (but with Nathan, it is unlikely to be 'standard' anything)