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Title: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on September 19, 2011, 08:11:49 PM
Make it so Numbah 1!
ENGAGE!! :topgun:
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Post by: RVR II on September 19, 2011, 08:13:54 PM
Thanks DB!

(http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt137/auntb93also/GIF%20Except%20Emoticons/th_blinkingblob.gif)
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 19, 2011, 09:03:33 PM
awesome, another Star Trek thread!  The F-14 is my favorite aircraft also!
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Post by: anais.jude on September 19, 2011, 09:07:51 PM
Number 1 is my favorite William Riker


Damn, that man is FINE
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Post by: anais.jude on September 19, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
Thanks DB!

(http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt137/auntb93also/GIF%20Except%20Emoticons/th_blinkingblob.gif)

Almost as mesmorizing as the Hypnotoad
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 19, 2011, 09:13:57 PM
Number 1 is my favorite William Riker


Damn, that man is FINE

with Thomas Riker you can have a Riker sandwich.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off topic!
Post by: daltysmilth on September 19, 2011, 11:57:24 PM
My Star Trek thread is better than your Star Trek thread!
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 20, 2011, 12:17:41 AM
My Star Trek thread is better than your Star Trek thread!

No way! This thread is already way more erotic and animated than your thread!.

And for good measure, this thread is now rock-cock-hard-and-ready...for whatever!*

(http://tytempletonart.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/kirk-penis-1.jpg)


*This post brought to you by the committee to promote all Star Trek threads.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off topic!
Post by: RVR II on September 20, 2011, 04:39:05 AM
My Star Trek thread is better than your Star Trek thread!
Nuh uh! >:(
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Post by: Bob on September 20, 2011, 04:53:55 AM
My Star Trek thread is better than your Star Trek thread!

No way! This thread is already way more erotic and animated than your thread!.

And for good measure, this thread is now rock-cock-hard-and-ready...for whatever!*

(http://tytempletonart.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/kirk-penis-1.jpg)


*This post brought to you by the committee to promote all Star Trek threads.

I STILL cannot believe they got away with him holding that "rock".
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off topic!
Post by: RVR II on September 20, 2011, 05:00:42 AM
'It was too hard to handle now yes around' (The Black Crows) :rimshot:
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Post by: RVR II on September 20, 2011, 05:25:05 AM
So who would you 'Shag or Bag'??

Counselor Troy
Judzia Dax
7 of 9

:o
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Post by: bta on September 20, 2011, 05:37:58 AM
Remember the one where Troi got all slutty and screwed crewman left and right while her hair turned gray?  That's the best Star Trek episode.
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Post by: TeamRAD on September 20, 2011, 05:38:15 AM
So who would you 'Shag or Bag'??

Counselor Troy
Judzia Dax
7 of 9

:o

Counselor Troi, preferably being bitchy...

http://www.youtube.com/v/dqwYUumrXm0?version=3

 :)

Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on September 20, 2011, 11:44:22 AM
I'd have to spank her for coping that attitude :-*
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 20, 2011, 11:52:22 AM
What no love for ezri? i thought she was cute.  Same with neela. 
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Post by: Bob on September 20, 2011, 11:57:48 AM
So who would you 'Shag or Bag'??

Counselor Troy
Judzia Dax
7 of 9

:o

Yes please.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on September 20, 2011, 11:58:04 AM
What no love for ezri? i thought she was cute.  Same with neela. 
Sure why not!

I just thought of one hottie from TNG, DS9, and Voyager..

Feel free to add more :o
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Post by: anais.jude on September 20, 2011, 03:13:03 PM
Whatever, Star Trek has waaaaaaaaaaaaay more hot guys than hot chicks
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Post by: RVR II on September 20, 2011, 03:15:50 PM
Whatever, Star Trek has waaaaaaaaaaaaay more hot guys than hot chicks
WUT-EVAH ::)
 ;D
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 20, 2011, 03:21:39 PM
Actually i would imagine it does.  The girls were never a big draw in star trek i think. 
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on September 20, 2011, 03:56:20 PM
The girls were never a big draw in star trek i think. 
Those body suits drew me in every time :P
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Post by: RVR II on September 25, 2011, 05:28:12 PM
ssooo... Star Trek..

Other hotties; and GO!! :P
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 25, 2011, 06:05:38 PM
(http://media.mademan.com/chickipedia/uploaded_photos/7/71/Chase_01_519_thumb_585x795.jpg)
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 25, 2011, 06:10:56 PM
she sure can fill out a shirt.
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Post by: RVR II on September 25, 2011, 06:41:36 PM
Great Start Sarc! :o :P
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 25, 2011, 07:22:40 PM
(http://chockblock.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/seven_of_nine6.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on September 25, 2011, 07:28:37 PM
Yeah I luv me sum 7 of 9 :-*
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 25, 2011, 08:41:46 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: anais.jude on September 25, 2011, 08:47:04 PM
COME BACK TO MY THREAD

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22284.750 (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22284.750)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on September 25, 2011, 08:54:50 PM
You can't compete with our sexy Star Trek ladies!
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 25, 2011, 09:47:55 PM
yeah so tits or GTFO :)   WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO rum
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 25, 2011, 11:40:52 PM
So, no one's going to say yoeman Rand was hot?
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/temp/grace_lee_whitney.jpg)

Is this what they mean by going green?
Or is it "once you go green...."...
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/temp/OrionSG_enterprise.jpg)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on September 26, 2011, 05:29:25 AM
So, no one's going to say yoeman Rand was hot?
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/temp/grace_lee_whitney.jpg)

YEE-O-MAN!! :o :o
Very Nice!
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on September 26, 2011, 06:53:08 AM
Everyone's favorite Major

(http://www.sfbrain.co.uk/sf/visitor/Nanavisi.jpg)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Bob on September 26, 2011, 07:21:58 AM
I endorse the way this thread is going.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 26, 2011, 07:31:45 AM
Olivia d'Abo was pretty cute, and Zoe Saldana was easy on the eyes.

And the green chick from the movie is also pretty hot...when she's not fucking green.

(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0907/shes-green-star-trek-orion-slave-girls-girl-slavegirl-slaveg-demotivational-poster-1248607340.jpg)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: anais.jude on September 26, 2011, 07:36:32 AM
I hate you all
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Post by: Bob on September 26, 2011, 08:17:09 AM
I hate you all

I'm sorry, I was staring at the picture of the major.   What did you say?
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 26, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
I hate you all

Your welcome to post kirk topless im sure, we probably cant get away with posting any topless women though
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Post by: RVR II on September 26, 2011, 03:19:11 PM
I hate you all

I'm sorry, I was staring at the picture of the major.   What did you say?
:D :D
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 26, 2011, 03:33:33 PM
So far Rand i think has the best pic on the thread
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 26, 2011, 05:22:33 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: RVR II on September 26, 2011, 05:24:01 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Gawd I so want her to assimilate me! :-*
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on October 11, 2011, 03:20:50 PM
I might watch some Next Generation episodes tonight ;D
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 11, 2011, 08:41:07 PM
I might watch some Next Generation episodes tonight ;D

Yeeeeeeah, Dr. Crush-wait, what?
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 11, 2011, 11:19:08 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Best I could find.  
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 13, 2011, 12:18:59 PM
Always thought Suzie Plakson was hot, found this cool tribute video of all the characters she played on Star Trek:

http://youtu.be/C9u8lh6Sjck
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 08:47:17 PM
Things look pretty nice over here.  I thouroghly destroyed the Star Trek 2009 hate thread.
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 08:48:34 PM
I call it the thread grenade.  And yeah this one is boober, I mean better. 
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 09:18:02 PM
mmmm, boobs.
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
I demand more trek boobs :angry:
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Post by: RVR II on October 14, 2011, 04:59:22 AM
Things look pretty nice over here.  I thouroghly destroyed the Star Trek 2009 hate thread.
:D :D
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Post by: RVR II on October 15, 2011, 06:03:14 AM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/spockss9.jpg)

So yeah, that 2009 Star Trek flick sucked ass IMO 8)
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 15, 2011, 08:17:47 AM
Oooooooooooh noooooes, not again!


I agree with you, btw.
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Post by: RVR II on October 15, 2011, 09:34:45 AM
:D :D
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Post by: Russell on October 15, 2011, 09:55:56 AM
So yeah, that 2009 Star Trek flick sucked ass IMO 8)
Yeah I know, it was worse than SERENITY. it was almost as bad as that dumbass
Blade runner movie.
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 15, 2011, 11:12:07 AM
Oh, by the way fellas, Star Trek had better reviews than The Dark Knight.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 15, 2011, 11:34:56 AM
So yeah, that 2009 Star Trek flick sucked ass IMO 8)
Yeah I know, it was worse than SERENITY. it was almost as bad as that dumbass
Blade runner movie.

Pick a movie name capitalization scheme and stick with it!  You're all over the place in that sentence...  Sheesh, people like you...........

 ;D 

Just watched the Voyager episode where they find the 2 Ferengi from the TNG episode The Price, those women the Ferengi had around them were very hot.
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Post by: RVR II on October 15, 2011, 11:35:27 AM
Those folks were obviously high on some shit :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 15, 2011, 11:40:34 AM
Those folks were obviously high on some shit :o

I sure wouldn't want to try it...

If it makes you stop thinking about boobs and start talking movies, bad shit indeed....
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on October 15, 2011, 11:41:48 AM
You're right! I'm clean naow :P
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 15, 2011, 11:57:44 AM
Good to know my screen capture program works with Netflix:

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/temp/voyagerboobs.jpg)
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Post by: bta on October 15, 2011, 12:34:57 PM
I've learned from this thread that boobs are good, and Star Trek is good.
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 15, 2011, 12:44:27 PM
Fake boobs suck! Real boobs FTW!!!
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Post by: Russell on October 15, 2011, 02:51:06 PM
Pick a movie name capitalization scheme and stick with it!  You're all over the place in that sentence...  Sheesh, people like you...........
I'm sorry Marty.
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 15, 2011, 03:00:15 PM
Pick a movie name capitalization scheme and stick with it!  You're all over the place in that sentence...  Sheesh, people like you...........
I'm sorry Marty.

DELEET YOUR AKOUNT!!!
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Post by: RVR II on October 15, 2011, 03:22:03 PM
Good to know my screen capture program works with Netflix:

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/temp/voyagerboobs.jpg)
I wish my Blackberry would display these :o
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Post by: Russell on October 15, 2011, 05:45:36 PM
DELEET YOUR AKOUNT!!!
Maybe next time mein Kommandant. :P
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Post by: RVR II on October 17, 2011, 03:50:59 PM
More boobs please :P
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 17, 2011, 04:15:01 PM
How about some buns?

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/temp/buns.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on October 17, 2011, 04:15:32 PM
How about some buns?

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/temp/buns.jpg)
Perfect! Even Better! :o :P
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Post by: bta on October 17, 2011, 05:09:52 PM
Oooh, get the scene where Deanna is in the shirt with no bra and they are bouncing.
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Post by: RVR II on October 17, 2011, 05:14:56 PM
Oooh, get the scene where Deanna is in the shirt with no bra and they are bouncing.
There's an episode in season 1 (like 4th or 5th episode I believe) where she and capt Picard are walking up to this creature that wants a human colonization removed from their claimed planet and she's sporting a nice camel toe in her tight body suit :o
YUMMAY!! :P
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 19, 2011, 01:55:26 PM
Oooh, get the scene where Deanna is in the shirt with no bra and they are bouncing.
There's an episode in season 1 (like 4th or 5th episode I believe) where she and capt Picard are walking up to this creature that wants a human colonization removed from their claimed planet and she's sporting a nice camel toe in her tight body suit :o
YUMMAY!! :P

That's season 3, and she is sporting some serious toe (enhanced by shadows from the overhead lighting):
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/temp/troytoe.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on October 19, 2011, 02:01:10 PM
Oooh, get the scene where Deanna is in the shirt with no bra and they are bouncing.
There's an episode in season 1 (like 4th or 5th episode I believe) where she and capt Picard are walking up to this creature that wants a human colonization removed from their claimed planet and she's sporting a nice camel toe in her tight body suit :o
YUMMAY!! :P

That's season 3, and she is sporting some serious toe (enhanced by shadows from the overhead lighting):
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/temp/troytoe.jpg)
That was Season 3?! WOW!!
Oh Lookie There!!
Very NICE :o :P
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Post by: bta on October 19, 2011, 05:29:46 PM
I always had a special place in my heart for this card:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4176125819_4396603540_o.jpg)
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 19, 2011, 08:51:59 PM
she looks like she is revving up for some serious bitching.
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Post by: RVR II on October 24, 2011, 05:54:39 AM
Had a Next Generation marathon over the weekend  (all the Borg episodes and Klingon civil war, some other episodes with Romulans involved, etc) and the counselor was looking fine as always :P
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Post by: anais.jude on October 24, 2011, 10:52:08 AM
Ugh
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Post by: RVR II on October 24, 2011, 10:53:19 AM
Ugh
;D
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 24, 2011, 08:51:27 PM
What is the ugh for?
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Post by: Russell on October 24, 2011, 11:15:28 PM
What is the ugh for?
For the Ughunaughts from The Empire Strikes Back. Anyways I was just watching this great
episode called the Drumhead... probably my favorite TNG episode actually.
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Post by: anais.jude on October 25, 2011, 12:22:43 PM
Ugh
;D

I just wish there were more girls who watched Star Trek so I can quit looking at boobs and talk about Riker's sexy ass beard
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 25, 2011, 12:31:57 PM
Ugh
;D

I just wish there were more girls who watched Star Trek so I can quit looking at boobs and talk about Riker's sexy ass beard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGXJ3bXzZ7M&feature=youtu.be&t=48s
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell on October 25, 2011, 01:33:52 PM
I just wish there were more girls who watched Star Trek so I can quit looking at boobs and talk about Riker's sexy ass beard
I'd love to discuss his sexy ass.... or sexy ass beard, whichever you meant, unfortunately I am not qualified to discuss such a topic from a female's point of view. Sorry.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 16, 2011, 09:57:58 AM
Someone on another forum pointed this one out:

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/temp/yartoe.jpg)
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 16, 2011, 10:01:33 AM
Great body, terrible mullet.
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Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 16, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
"I got a five-inch cameltoe."

"It's insane, this chick's cameltoe."
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Post by: RVR II on November 16, 2011, 10:50:21 AM
 :D :D
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 16, 2011, 11:02:06 AM
Are we admiring the cameltoe there or Worf's junk in the trunk?

There's a little som'n for everyone in that pic.  ;D

Data's expression and where his eyes are looking is pretty funny.
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on November 17, 2011, 08:14:14 AM
"I got a five-inch cameltoe."

"It's insane, this chick's cameltoe."

LIKE.  Far too few references to this show exist on this forum.

Agreed.
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Post by: bta on November 17, 2011, 05:01:01 PM
Are we admiring the cameltoe there or Worf's junk in the trunk?

Yes.
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Post by: RVR II on November 26, 2011, 11:10:38 AM
Really Glad I brought my 1.5 Terabyte External Harddrive of Star Trek with me to Mexico cause I've been getting real bored lately :o
Definitely helps pass the time ;D

been going through my Next Generation list and picking out some random episodes :o
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 28, 2011, 12:03:11 PM
Any that surprised you as extra fun?
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Post by: RVR II on November 28, 2011, 01:08:46 PM
Any that surprised you as extra fun?
The Warf episodes (Kalar, Klingon civil war, etc) ..
I just randomly go through my TNG list through the titles and descriptions to see what catches my interest  ;D
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Post by: Bob on November 28, 2011, 01:41:32 PM
Any that surprised you as extra fun?
The Warf episodes (Kalar, Klingon civil war, etc) ..
I just randomly go through my TNG list through the titles and descriptions to see what catches my interest  ;D

Klingon episodes are usually great.
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Post by: RVR II on November 28, 2011, 03:03:59 PM
My younger dog had a serious cling-on episode over Thanksgiving that wasn't great. He had to get a butt-wash in the shower.
At least it wasn't Ur-anus :rimshot:
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Post by: Sideswipe on November 28, 2011, 07:39:00 PM
Hey, you delete that post right now.  Making puns is Mike's job!
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 28, 2011, 07:43:11 PM
what happen to all the pics of hot trek chicks?  did we already use them all?
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Post by: RVR II on November 28, 2011, 09:16:55 PM
Hey, you delete that post right now.  Making puns is Mike's job!
:D :D

what happen to all the pics of hot trek chicks?  did we already use them all?
I sure hope not :scared:
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 28, 2011, 11:04:30 PM
Angelique Pettyjohn
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/temp/AngeliquePettyjohn.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on November 28, 2011, 11:09:00 PM
Oh My! :o
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Post by: RVR II on November 29, 2011, 11:27:25 AM
Watching some of TNG episodes with the Cardassians (The Wounded, Chain of Command Part 1 & 2)..
For Shame Capt Jellico making the counselor dress more formal! :angry:
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Post by: RVR II on November 29, 2011, 11:36:57 AM
"The Wounded" is probably in my top 5 TNG episodes. So good.
Agreed! Same here :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 29, 2011, 12:27:20 PM
"The Wounded" is probably in my top 5 TNG episodes. So good.
Agreed! Same here :o
Thirded, that was a really good episode.
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 29, 2011, 12:30:50 PM
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I loved that bit. Because a) Troi isn't hot, and b) Wear a fucking uniform.  Also, c) get a real job.


I agree with all but C. 
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Post by: goflyblind on November 29, 2011, 05:54:28 PM
Also, c) get a real job.

i would think that a psychologist would be pretty essential on a ship that size. she is, however, horrible at her job.
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Post by: RVR II on November 29, 2011, 06:00:18 PM
Also, c) get a real job.

i would think that a psychologist would be pretty essential on a ship that size. she is, however, horrible at her job.

Okay, fine. She should be down in sickbay, then, not on the fucking bridge.
I'd put her in a '10-Forward' position myself :P
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 29, 2011, 06:03:57 PM
Also, c) get a real job.

i would think that a psychologist would be pretty essential on a ship that size. she is, however, horrible at her job.

Okay, fine. She should be down in sickbay, then, not on the fucking bridge.
I'd put her in a '10-Forward' position myself :P

HEH you actually got a laugh.
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Post by: RVR II on November 29, 2011, 11:25:52 PM
The Nth Degree was a hilarious episode!!
Good'ol Barclay! :D :D
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 30, 2011, 07:00:43 AM
The holodeck is freaken amazing the way it can integrate with the ship like that. 
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Post by: RVR II on December 01, 2011, 03:47:28 PM
Watched the conspiracy episodes in season 1 last night as well as that episode where Data plays stragema with that starfleet strategist and Riker plays wargames with the Enterprise and they're attacked by the Ferengi ..
I found that one pretty funny :D :D 
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Post by: RVR II on December 04, 2011, 08:26:19 PM
Just watched "Gambit: Part 1 & 2" in Season 7..
Renegade Riker and Picard :D :D
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Post by: RVR II on December 28, 2011, 10:56:42 PM
Season 5 Ep. 21 'The Perfect Mate' 

I forgot how awesome she was :o :P
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Post by: RVR II on July 17, 2012, 09:02:09 AM
So yeah, I pre-ordered The Next Generation season 1 on BluRay and I'll post some reviews about it sometime soon* ...

* As I get some free time, and in hopes that my bluray player I ordered actually plays the discs..  :o
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Post by: goflyblind on July 17, 2012, 09:27:18 AM
they're showing the remastered versions of "where no one has gone before" and "datalore" along with behind the scenes stuff at a local theatre next monday, and i'm wavering on whether or not i should go. decide for me, interwebz!
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Post by: RVR II on July 17, 2012, 09:29:49 AM
they're showing the remastered versions of "where no one has gone before" and "datalore" along with behind the scenes stuff at a local theatre next monday, and i'm wavering on whether or not i should go. decide for me, interwebz!
GO! 8)
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Post by: RVR II on July 22, 2012, 08:04:27 AM
The price has dropped to $59.99 on Amazon and locked in with Free Shipping :o

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0083TUEHY/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 29, 2012, 09:23:26 PM
Well, I caved and ordered the STTNG season 1 Blu-Ray set even though I'll never watch half of it.  Price was lower than I expected, the extras look really interesting, and I had enough cashback reward to cover it (I really like having reward points/cash available on Amazon).

  I wonder if it dropped in price so fast because of the reported audio issues?  Seems they messed up the 7.1 mix on a bunch of the episodes, so the voices all sound like they are on the side instead of in the center.  The original stereo and mono tracks are supposed to be OK.  When they get to season 4 we should be getting the original Dolby surround tracks.
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Post by: RVR II on July 30, 2012, 03:46:58 AM
Oh yeah..
That Magnavox bluray player plays the Season 1 DVDs just fine and had no real issues..

I got through only the first 2 DVDs this weekend so I'll need to find some time to watch the rest but so far the picture IS very clear.. I could have gone without seeing the guys in Star Fleet skirts and even the outfits the men were wearing in the episode of 'Justice' :gouge: but the ladies outfits were quite nice in bluray-vision :P
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Post by: RVR II on October 17, 2012, 10:19:01 AM
Pre-order TNG Season 2 here.. Releases Dec. 4

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Generation-Season-Blu-ray/dp/B0095XPZBC/ref=sr_1_3?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1350494180&sr=1-3&keywords=star+trek+the+next+generation+blue+ray

Still a little high but I'm sure it will drop
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Post by: RVR II on December 04, 2012, 10:44:30 AM
Just went to Best Buy and snagged Season 2 of TNG on BluRay since Amazon dropped the ball and couldn't ship it till next week (between Dec. 11 - 13) ::)

I'll be watching these throughout the week 8)
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Post by: Sideswipe on December 04, 2012, 10:47:16 AM
Wow, according to Amazon, people frequently buy TNG season 2 and The Dark Knight Rises together.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 04, 2012, 10:48:44 AM
Wow, according to Amazon, people frequently buy TNG season 2 and The Dark Knight Rises together.

That's exactly what is in the box I just got, so it must be true!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 04, 2012, 09:28:49 PM
Just watched the cast reunion and a few other extras, very cool.

And the extended version of "Measure of a Man" is great, lots of cool little bits added back in, except one I didn't think really fit (the fencing scene).  After listening to the commentary track it was originally written for Picard and Riker to be the ones fencing, not Riker walking in on Picard and some other guy fencing.  Shot as written it might have been good, as is it falls flat.
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Post by: RVR II on December 04, 2012, 10:15:55 PM
:o I'll have to check that out!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 07, 2012, 03:23:31 PM
The scene where Riva gets his chorus vaporized is pretty scary in HD.  Kinda creeped me out for a few seconds.
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Post by: RVR II on December 07, 2012, 08:51:17 PM
Yeah that was impressive! :o
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Post by: RVR II on February 09, 2013, 11:58:41 AM
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Star Trek: The Next Generation - Season Three is a forthcoming Blu-ray Disc release, featuring the complete third season of Star Trek: The Next Generation in 1080p high-definition. The set is currently planned for a North American release of 30 April 2013. [1] The Season Three remastering work was again completed by CBS Digital.

On 25 April 2013, the week before the set is scheduled for release in the North America, movie theaters across the United States will hold special showings of the theatrical-length edit of "The Best of Both Worlds", along with a cut-down portions of the Blu-ray documentaries
:highfive:
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Post by: Sideswipe on February 09, 2013, 05:54:17 PM
Fuck yeah!
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on March 23, 2013, 07:30:09 AM
To Celebrate the Birthday of William Fucking Shatner (http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2007/03/geek_in_review_.html) Hulu has put every episode of every live action Trek series up for free on their streaming site.  So get to work, it's only available till the end of the month.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/22/4136850/every-episode-of-every-star-trek-series-available-for-free-on-hulu
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Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2013, 07:58:58 AM
Cool! :o

Oh and here's the Amazon ling for TNG Season 3 Bluray Releasing..
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Generation-Season-Blu-ray/dp/B00B7VZN76

And 'The Best of Both Worlds'
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Generation-Worlds-Blu-ray/dp/B00BAXTY8U/ref=pd_bxgy_mov_img_y

I will be at Best Buy on April 30 to get these so I don't have to wait a week for it to arrive 8)
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Post by: RVR II on April 30, 2013, 06:38:03 AM
And I'm off to go get them! 8)
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Post by: Bob on April 30, 2013, 06:40:01 AM
You and the tribble (or bunny) will enjoy watching them.
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Post by: RVR II on April 30, 2013, 08:18:30 AM
AND, looks like Season 4 along with the 2 part episode 'Redemption' will be released in 3 months (July 30) :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 30, 2013, 10:13:37 AM
I forgot it was being released today.  Had to get some other stuff from Amazon so I added it to that order, should get it Thursday.

I'm just getting season 3, will wait for the next set to complete Best of Both Worlds.  I think I'll be doing that with all of them, sounds like they are changing things a bit when combining the season ending cliffhangers with the next season openers.
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Post by: RVR II on April 30, 2013, 12:11:17 PM
I proly should have ordered Season 3 from Amazon cause I discovered it was $20 more at Best Buy than Amazon and when I tried to go back to get them to do a price match, they said it had to be an actual store price match and Not an online store price match
 :grr: I'll remember that in 3 months!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 27, 2013, 05:06:20 PM
I forgot just how many good episodes were in season 3, man does Yesterday's Enterprise look great in HD.
The commentary track for that episode is also great, you really understand how overworked and how much pressure they were under that season, they had no idea they were putting out such great stuff at the time they were doing it.

Also just watched Deja Q, while most stuff looks great in HD the species down on the planet looked pretty bad.  They were only ever meant to be seen on the bridge view screen so I guess they didn't try very hard to get the makeup perfect.
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Post by: RVR II on May 27, 2013, 06:09:51 PM
Agreed! I didn't get a chance to play the commentary yet and I let a friend of mine borrow the season so I have to wait a bit longer :-[
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 03, 2013, 05:13:53 PM
I've been rewatching quite a bit of Enterprise lately, avoiding season 3, didn't care for that when it aired but I may watch some of the better ones once I'm done with all the others I remember liking. 

I still really like the show starting about half way though season 1 up to the end of season 2, and then again the last half of the last season (excluding the terrible season ending episode).
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Post by: Bob on June 03, 2013, 05:35:07 PM
My favorite line on any show's season ending was............"Fire".
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Post by: RVR II on July 30, 2013, 10:11:50 AM
Just snapped up Season 4 TNG on BluRay along with the 2-part episode 'Redemption' :highfive:
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 01, 2013, 02:44:40 PM
Just got my season 4 set from Amazon, will be going through all the extras tonight.
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Post by: RVR II on August 01, 2013, 02:55:54 PM
Just got my season 4 set from Amazon, will be going through all the extras tonight.
Watched Redemption first night, then discs 1 & 2.. Disc 3 is tonight 8)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 01, 2013, 11:50:39 PM
After watching all the extras on disc 6 I went to disc 3 first.  I've been waiting until this set to watch Best of Both Worlds part I, so I've got to go back and watch that before disc one of this set.

As for the extras:  The art department people sitting on couches talking was not quite as interesting as the cast doing the same on the last set, but still some pretty good stories.  The other 2 featurettes were OK.  Blooper reel was kind of mediocre.  Pretty much all of the deleted scenes were interesting, I guess they were cut for time because I think all of them added a little bit to the stories.
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Post by: RVR II on August 02, 2013, 05:43:16 AM
Yeah I haven't gotten to the extras yet but will get to them this weekend.. Still got disc 4 and 5 to go, then the extras.. ;D
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Post by: Locuststakethesky on August 19, 2013, 07:30:41 AM
Heads up, Star Trek TOS, TNG, and Enterprise on Blu Ray are on sale on Amazon this week.  Only $81.66 for the complete original series, seasons of TNG are $49.99.  I would jump on this in a heartbeat if I could afford it.
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Post by: RVR II on August 19, 2013, 07:37:35 AM
Figures the TNG blurays would drop some $20 - $30 dollars after I buy them  :-[
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Post by: RVR II on August 19, 2013, 04:07:00 PM
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Circle the date: November 19. That’s when both Star Trek: The Next Generation – The Fifth Season and Star Trek: The Next Generation – Unification will arrive on Blu-ray via CBS Home Entertainment and Paramount Home Media Distribution.

Star Trek: The Next Generation

There’s no hyperbole necessary in discussing these two releases. Season five of TNG ranked amongst the series’ best, with episodes including “Redemption Part II, “Cause And Effect,” “Darmok,” “The Inner Light,” “The First Duty,” the Hugo Award-winning “Time’s Arrow, Part 1” and, of course, “Unification I and II,” which heralded the returns to Star Trek of Leonard Nimoy as Spock and Mark Lenard as Sarek.

The Fifth Season Blu-ray features all 26 episodes in high-definition and a multiple-part documentary, “REQUIEM: A Remembrance of Star Trek: The Next Generation,” which examines the evolution of season five and the impact of Trek creator Gene Roddenberry’s death on the production.

Meanwhile, Unification transforms the landmark two-parter into an epic feature-length presentation complemented by an audio commentary and an exclusive documentary, “From One Generation to the Next,” which details the making of the episodes and the introduction of Spock to TNG.

The Fifth Season will cost $130 in the U.S. and $150 in Canada, and Unification will cost $28.28 in the U.S. and $32 in Canada.
WOOT WOOOOOOT!!! :highfive:
Yeah pretty sure that price will be dropping.. 8)
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Post by: RVR II on October 08, 2013, 07:38:01 PM
So anyway I just got home from another trip in Mexico Sunday night and been on a TNG Season 4 marathon the last 2 nights :o
Season 5 release can't get here soon enough!
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Post by: RVR II on November 21, 2013, 12:58:40 PM
So I got Season 5 along with 'Unification' and only have a couple more discs to watch.. Good Stuff! :o
I was a little disappointed inthe extras of Unification.. only 1 deleted scene, only 3 cast interviews (Warf, Dr Crusher, & Cmdr. Cela), and Nothing about Gene Roddenberry's death..
Maybe that will be on the final disc in the season 5 series that I haven't gotten to yet.. :-\
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 21, 2013, 01:36:54 PM
So I got Season 5 along with 'Unification' and only have a couple more discs to watch.. Good Stuff! :o
I was a little disappointed inthe extras of Unification.. only 1 deleted scene, only 3 cast interviews (Warf, Dr Crusher, & Cmdr. Cela), and Nothing about Gene Roddenberry's death..
Maybe that will be on the final disc in the season 5 series that I haven't gotten to yet.. :-\

Forgot it was out this week, looks like some of the Best Buys near me are sold out, Target has it but the price is higher.

Have they been putting different extras on the separate discs?  I haven't been getting those so the only extras I've seen have been on the season sets.
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Post by: RVR II on November 21, 2013, 01:41:59 PM
So I got Season 5 along with 'Unification' and only have a couple more discs to watch.. Good Stuff! :o
I was a little disappointed inthe extras of Unification.. only 1 deleted scene, only 3 cast interviews (Warf, Dr Crusher, & Cmdr. Cela), and Nothing about Gene Roddenberry's death..
Maybe that will be on the final disc in the season 5 series that I haven't gotten to yet.. :-\

Forgot it was out this week, looks like some of the Best Buys near me are sold out, Target has it but the price is higher.

Have they been putting different extras on the separate discs?  I haven't been getting those so the only extras I've seen have been on the season sets.
Target was cheaper than Best Buy here..

Yeah the dual episodes that they put on separate DVDs have more extras and interviews that are not on the season DVDs
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 21, 2013, 01:49:19 PM
Target was cheaper than Best Buy here..

Yeah the dual episodes that they put on separate DVDs have more extras and interviews that are not on the season DVDs

Target here has it for $78, Best Buy $58.

That sucks about different extras.  Eventually I may pick the single discs just to have them.
.....
My quest to get it this evening: Target #1 had it for $76, Headed up the street a few more lights to Best Buy and they were sold out (label on the shelf was $58), Target #2 had it for $68 so I got that one.  Yes, I have 2 Target stores within 2 miles of me, and they are only about 1/4 mile away from each other on the same road.  And they often have slightly different stuff and sometimes different prices.  When they opened the one in the Springfield Mall I figured they would close the older one, but several years later and both are still open and both are always filled with people.
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Post by: RVR II on November 21, 2013, 09:41:18 PM
Weird cause Best Buy here had it for $74.99 and Target right next door had it for $69.99 :o

Just finished all of Season 5 and yeah the extras on the last disc had a whole segment about Gene Roddenberry.. Pretty good overall :o

I had forgotten about the second to last episode 'The Inner Light' about how intense of an episode it was.. :speechless:
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 21, 2013, 10:27:11 PM
Yes, Inner Light was an awesome episode.

I watched the extras on disc 5, thought the editing on the first half of the special was odd, I would rather have seen the entire interview with Gene all at once instead of chopped up and interspersed with the writers talking.  And some of the writers segments were too long.  The second half was well done.

Only episode I watched was Ro Laren, love all the episodes with her.

And what is it about Ron Moore, I've seen a lot of interviews with him and listened to a lot of his commentaries, but I can't get a feel for what kind of person he is.  Half the time I think he's a good guy, the other half of the time I think he's an arrogant prick.  And those extremes sometimes switch several times in one interview.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 22, 2013, 11:23:53 AM

Armin Shimerman has a cool reward up on the kickstarter for Diani & Devine Meet The Apocalypse.  He will record commentaries for 2 DS9 episodes.  A bit pricey at $200.  The kickstarter ends this evening.  They need to get to $100K but have a backer that will put in $5K if they hit $95K.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dianidevine/diani-and-devine-meet-the-apocalypse-a-feature-fil
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Post by: RVR II on November 22, 2013, 11:26:24 AM
Yeah I can't help there..
I need that kind of money for bag fees for next weeks trip to Mexico  :o
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Post by: The Lurker on January 15, 2014, 08:02:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Icoz6oS.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on January 15, 2014, 08:07:26 PM
Awesome! :D :D :D

Wonjdering when Season 6 of TNG will be released on Blu Ray ???
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 17, 2014, 11:34:55 AM
Wonjdering when Season 6 of TNG will be released on Blu Ray ???

It is odd they haven't set a date yet.  When one set is released the next one usually gets announced.
I really want to see Relics in HD, I hope the Dyson sphere and crashed ship were done as models so there is extra detail on them....
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Post by: RVR II on January 17, 2014, 04:29:09 PM
Oh yeah now I really want to see Season 6 ASAP :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 17, 2014, 09:35:31 PM
The Digital Bits is usually pretty good a finding rumored release dates but I can't find any info there.

I did do some searching and found pictures of the Dyson sphere set models, so it should look pretty nice in HD.
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Post by: RVR II on January 18, 2014, 06:07:54 PM
Awesome :highfive:
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 19, 2014, 10:13:07 AM
I wish they would rerecord the TNG theme with a fucking huge orchestra.  The tv version always seemed weak compared to the theatrical version, either that or Jerry Goldsmith is really the only one who can conduct it?
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Post by: Henry88 on January 19, 2014, 06:29:33 PM
favorite monster is from the episode "skin of evil" 
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Post by: RVR II on January 19, 2014, 07:19:31 PM
favorite monster is from the episode "skin of evil"
The sexiest monster would have to be Ardra from "Devil's Due" :P
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Post by: RVR II on January 19, 2014, 09:40:27 PM
favorite monster is from the episode "skin of evil"
The sexiest monster would have to be Ardra from "Devil's Due" :P

She was a favorite of Donald Belisario. She played Magnum's wife on that series, and was a Japanese (!?) princess in "Tales of the Gold Monkey."
:o
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on January 22, 2014, 04:47:26 PM
http://citycyclops.com/7.31.13.php

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f34b58e609de00ab1f621789951d421/tumblr_mmqsu2oZRk1rroiseo1_1280.jpg)
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Post by: Johnny Unusual on January 22, 2014, 06:23:05 PM
Finally, Chris Ware is doing Star Trek comics.
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 22, 2014, 06:29:19 PM
Someone has never seen Deep Space Nine.
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Post by: anais.butterfly on February 04, 2014, 04:10:09 PM
Chekov has shitty hair.

Hey, what are your top five favorite episodes? I am not going to rewatch the series again, just the really good episodes :)


Oh, and I mean of TOS. I have only gotten to episode 2 of TNG.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 04, 2014, 04:30:06 PM
Hey, what are your top five favorite episodes? I am not going to rewatch the series again, just the really good episodes :)

I couldn't limit myself to 5, here's a bunch of my favorites randomly picked:

Balance of Terror
The Doomsday Machine
Amok Time
The Devil In The Dark
Obsession
The Trouble with Tribbles
Assignment Earth
The City On The Edge Of Forever
Space Seed
Court Martial
The Menagerie


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Oh, and I mean of TOS. I have only gotten to episode 2 of TNG.

Don't get discouraged, some of those first season episodes stink real bad, but it improves drastically in season 2.
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Post by: Sideswipe on February 04, 2014, 04:38:19 PM
There are some bad ones in season 2 as well.  "The Royale", and the season ends with a clip show, the last clip show in Star Trek history if I am correct.  Though the Borg are introduced in season 2 which leads to Best of Both Worlds.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 04, 2014, 04:43:30 PM
There are some bad ones in season 2 as well.  "The Royale", and the season ends with a clip show, the last clip show in Star Trek history if I am correct.  Though the Borg are introduced in season 2 which leads to Best of Both Worlds.

Yeah, the writers strike held that season back a bit, without the strike season 2 might have reached season 3 levels of goodness.
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Post by: anais.butterfly on February 04, 2014, 05:05:30 PM
I have def heard that about TNG. I think my issue is that I want to know TOS episodes inside and out before I move on to TNG.



I mean...Kirk vs Picard? No contest!


Also, Data annoys the piss out of me.


But oh....Commander Ryker....*drooooooooool*
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Post by: anais.butterfly on February 04, 2014, 05:07:43 PM
Hey, what are your top five favorite episodes? I am not going to rewatch the series again, just the really good episodes :)

I couldn't limit myself to 5, here's a bunch of my favorites randomly picked:

Balance of Terror
The Doomsday Machine
Amok Time
The Devil In The Dark
Obsession
The Trouble with Tribbles
Assignment Earth
The City On The Edge Of Forever
Space Seed
Court Martial
The Menagerie


Awesome! The ones in bold I watched recently, but I will watch the rest of your suggestions.

Also, I would like to add "Who Mourns Adonis." I liked the idea that the time of TOS has outgrown God/Gods.
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Post by: Sideswipe on February 04, 2014, 05:40:57 PM
How can you make a list of Star Trek episodes and not mention the classic piece of literature that is entitled Spock's Brain?!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 04, 2014, 05:48:11 PM
Brain? What is brain?
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Post by: goflyblind on February 04, 2014, 05:50:42 PM
I AM KI-ROK!
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Post by: RVR II on February 04, 2014, 05:55:44 PM
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Post by: RVR II on February 04, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
I AM KI-ROK!
Locutus will assimilate you 8)

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Post by: RoninFox on February 05, 2014, 07:18:05 AM
I have def heard that about TNG. I think my issue is that I want to know TOS episodes inside and out before I move on to TNG.

You might want to try listening to the Mission Log podcast.  It's produced by Gene Roddenberry's son and they've been reviewing TOS in broadcast order episode by episode.  They get a little dry sometimes, but there's some good analysis and trivia.  They're in season 3 right now, then they'll move on to the animated episodes/TNG/Movies etc.
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Post by: RVR II on February 05, 2014, 07:23:55 AM
Can you post the link to the Mission Log Podcast? :o
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Post by: anais.butterfly on February 05, 2014, 09:48:48 AM
Yes. Also, will I get to hear old podcasts that cover season 1 and 2?

The movies will be great to hear about!
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Post by: RVR II on February 05, 2014, 09:53:46 AM
While we wait.. Here's (a poor TV quality viewing of ) Patrick Stewart as China's 'Jade Rabbit' rover.. :D :D

https://www.youtube.com/v/hH-0oWRC5cQ

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-4-2014/who-froze-jade-rabbit-?xrs=synd_facebook_020514_tds_91
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Post by: Sideswipe on February 05, 2014, 10:27:24 AM
The movies will be great to hear about!

You might want to check out William Shatner's book/audio book Star Trek Movie Memories, theres some good stuff in that.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 05, 2014, 11:11:24 AM
Found the archive for those podcasts:

http://www.missionlogpodcast.com/archive/
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Post by: RoninFox on February 05, 2014, 01:26:56 PM
Yes. Also, will I get to hear old podcasts that cover season 1 and 2?

The movies will be great to hear about!

I just go through iTunes, but they have a website here.

http://www.missionlogpodcast.com/ (http://www.missionlogpodcast.com/)

And yes, they have seasons 1 and 2 up and complete along with some special episodes with interviews.
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Post by: anais.butterfly on February 05, 2014, 01:48:18 PM
Oh, I don't do iTunes. But thanks for the links, guys!

Also, Sideswipe, I just got movie memories from the library! :)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 10, 2014, 07:11:01 PM
I've listened to a bunch of those podcasts, when they are talking about production or trivia of the episode it's pretty good, but man do they miss the meaning of some of the scenes.

The one that sticks with me is in Balance of Terror.  There's a great scene where Bones says the following:

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In this galaxy, there's a mathematical probability of three million Earth-type planets. And in all of the universe, three million million galaxies like this. And in all of that... and perhaps more, only one of each of us.

[pause]

 Don't destroy the one named Kirk.
They kept dissing it as a "be the best Kirk you can be" message.  Wow is that a totally wrong interpretation.  And it was a fantastic bit of acting by DeForest Kelley there, that they kind of made fun of.

I guess maybe they are just not very bright, their ideas on how the Horta and Miners were going to get along in the future didn't make sense.  Even if you accept the possibility of one rouge Horta why would all the others follow it?  They seemed to think the miners were enslaving the Horta, when it's stated pretty clearly the Horta would be left alone and the miners would just use the tunnels the Horta leave behind as they went about their daily lives.

Every time they do something like that it gets on my nerves, so although I kind of want to listen to more of them I don't think I'll continue.


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Post by: RoninFox on February 10, 2014, 07:27:19 PM
I've listened to a bunch of those podcasts, when they are talking about production or trivia of the episode it's pretty good, but man do they miss the meaning of some of the scenes.

The one that sticks with me is in Balance of Terror.  There's a great scene where Bones says the following:

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In this galaxy, there's a mathematical probability of three million Earth-type planets. And in all of the universe, three million million galaxies like this. And in all of that... and perhaps more, only one of each of us.

[pause]

 Don't destroy the one named Kirk.
They kept dissing it as a "be the best Kirk you can be" message.  Wow is that a totally wrong interpretation.  And it was a fantastic bit of acting by DeForest Kelley there, that they kind of made fun of.

I guess maybe they are just not very bright, their ideas on how the Horta and Miners were going to get along in the future didn't make sense.  Even if you accept the possibility of one rouge Horta why would all the others follow it?  They seemed to think the miners were enslaving the Horta, when it's stated pretty clearly the Horta would be left alone and the miners would just use the tunnels the Horta leave behind as they went about their daily lives.

Every time they do something like that it gets on my nerves, so although I kind of want to listen to more of them I don't think I'll continue.

I can see that, and I don't agree with everything they come up with either.  Of course, they've only covered TOS so far, and I'm no where near as familiar with them as I am with TNG.  My opinion might change when they start reviewing movies.

On the other hand, for some variety, there's a podcast called Treknologic that reviews episodes semi-randomly from every series, along with special episodes of reviewing other shows or movies as long as they involve time travel (They even did one MLP episode.  Bronies will know which one.)  It's kind of fun, they never claim to be experts, though sometimes they try a little too hard to roleplay and be funny.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 10, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
I can see that, and I don't agree with everything they come up with either.  Of course, they've only covered TOS so far, and I'm no where near as familiar with them as I am with TNG.  My opinion might change when they start reviewing movies.

I probably know the TOS episodes way too well, it does seem like they can't remember what they just watched a lot of the time so make wrong conclusions.  But that bugs me just as much because I'd expect if someone is going to do an hour long podcast about an episode they should at least pay attention when watching it...

I'll look for that Treknologic one and give it a listen.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on February 10, 2014, 08:10:49 PM
My favorite trek reviewer is SFDebris.  Manages to make a humors review and insightful review in one.  Can be funny even when reviewing good episodes, and really only bashes the really terrible ones that everyone bashes.  Ranks every episode on a 0-10 scale and only by comparison to other episodes in that series, not the franchise as a whole.  With that said he will compare and contrast series, mostly DS9 and Voyager since they were handled by two very different teams.

http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek.php

He does episodes very randomly from all series.  He started with his reviews of Voyager, so you will find a lot more of those reviewed than other series.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 11, 2014, 05:38:55 PM
On the other hand, for some variety, there's a podcast called Treknologic that reviews episodes semi-randomly from every series, along with special episodes of reviewing other shows or movies as long as they involve time travel (They even did one MLP episode.  Bronies will know which one.)  It's kind of fun, they never claim to be experts, though sometimes they try a little too hard to roleplay and be funny.

Listened to a few of these and like them much better, much better (more intelligent) analysis, and when they nitpick it's done in a fun way.
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Post by: Sideswipe on February 13, 2014, 07:00:32 AM
My favorite trek reviewer is SFDebris.  Manages to make a humors review and insightful review in one.  Can be funny even when reviewing good episodes, and really only bashes the really terrible ones that everyone bashes.  Ranks every episode on a 0-10 scale and only by comparison to other episodes in that series, not the franchise as a whole.  With that said he will compare and contrast series, mostly DS9 and Voyager since they were handled by two very different teams.

http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek.php

He does episodes very randomly from all series.  He started with his reviews of Voyager, so you will find a lot more of those reviewed than other series.


Fuck yeah.  I'd watch "The Weasel and Stretch" in a heartbeat!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 13, 2014, 09:09:43 AM
Tried SFDebris but the way the guy talks gets on my nerves.  I think maybe he's reading a script, the cadence seems that way.  The wall of words all in the same tone is too much for me.

So, Treknologic is the winner as far as I am concerned.
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Post by: RoninFox on February 13, 2014, 09:29:30 AM
Tried SFDebris but the way the guy talks gets on my nerves.  I think maybe he's reading a script, the cadence seems that way.  The wall of words all in the same tone is too much for me.

So, Treknologic is the winner as far as I am concerned.

The only thing I don't like about Treknologic is the way they roleplay their parts sometimes, consisting of one crew member asking a question and another saying "Well..." before a long pause.  It's not a huge thing, but a minor annoyance that I keep hoping they get away from as they get more experience improving jokes and dialog.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 13, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
Tried SFDebris but the way the guy talks gets on my nerves.  I think maybe he's reading a script, the cadence seems that way.  The wall of words all in the same tone is too much for me.

So, Treknologic is the winner as far as I am concerned.

The only thing I don't like about Treknologic is the way they roleplay their parts sometimes, consisting of one crew member asking a question and another saying "Well..." before a long pause.  It's not a huge thing, but a minor annoyance that I keep hoping they get away from as they get more experience improving jokes and dialog.

I've listened to 4 or 5 of them so far and have noticed that a bit, I think only once I've wanted them to "get on with it" so it doesn't bother me that much.
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Post by: RoninFox on February 13, 2014, 12:00:43 PM
Tried SFDebris but the way the guy talks gets on my nerves.  I think maybe he's reading a script, the cadence seems that way.  The wall of words all in the same tone is too much for me.

So, Treknologic is the winner as far as I am concerned.

The only thing I don't like about Treknologic is the way they roleplay their parts sometimes, consisting of one crew member asking a question and another saying "Well..." before a long pause.  It's not a huge thing, but a minor annoyance that I keep hoping they get away from as they get more experience improving jokes and dialog.

I've listened to 4 or 5 of them so far and have noticed that a bit, I think only once I've wanted them to "get on with it" so it doesn't bother me that much.

I might notice it more because for awhile I was listening to several episodes a day trying to get caught up.  When I pick up a new podcast I almost always binge on it.  I have a playlist of over 270 on my iPod right now because I'm listening to all of Sklarbro Country/County and Ten Minute Podcast while trying to keep up with all the other subscriptions I have.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 13, 2014, 12:04:15 PM
Tried SFDebris but the way the guy talks gets on my nerves.  I think maybe he's reading a script, the cadence seems that way.  The wall of words all in the same tone is too much for me.

So, Treknologic is the winner as far as I am concerned.

The only thing I don't like about Treknologic is the way they roleplay their parts sometimes, consisting of one crew member asking a question and another saying "Well..." before a long pause.  It's not a huge thing, but a minor annoyance that I keep hoping they get away from as they get more experience improving jokes and dialog.

I've listened to 4 or 5 of them so far and have noticed that a bit, I think only once I've wanted them to "get on with it" so it doesn't bother me that much.

I might notice it more because for awhile I was listening to several episodes a day trying to get caught up.  When I pick up a new podcast I almost always binge on it.  I have a playlist of over 270 on my iPod right now because I'm listening to all of Sklarbro Country/County and Ten Minute Podcast while trying to keep up with all the other subscriptions I have.

I'm that way with American Pickers, I like the show a lot but if I watch too many in a row there's a point where I start finding the guys very annoying.  Some shows are best with some space in between them.
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Post by: RVR II on February 18, 2014, 07:50:12 AM
I'm hearing rumors now that Season 6 of TNG won't be released until June :speechless:

Possibly due to CBS studios working on Season 4 of Enterprise which is slated for a April 29 release date..
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 18, 2014, 08:09:54 AM
I'm hearing rumors now that Season 6 of TNG won't be released until June :speechless:

Possibly due to CBS studios working on Season 4 of Enterprise which is slated for a April 29 release date..

Well darn.

Wasn't Enterprise shot/rendered in HD?  Shouldn't be that much work to put that out on Blu-Ray.

I wonder if there are other issues, like finding the film or more effects that have to be redone.  The featurettes have said the film was not cataloged very well, a can marked for one show might have some small rolls with clips for several shows.
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Post by: RVR II on February 18, 2014, 08:31:01 AM
I'm hearing rumors now that Season 6 of TNG won't be released until June :speechless:

Possibly due to CBS studios working on Season 4 of Enterprise which is slated for a April 29 release date..

Well darn.

Wasn't Enterprise shot/rendered in HD?  Shouldn't be that much work to put that out on Blu-Ray.

I wonder if there are other issues, like finding the film or more effects that have to be redone.  The featurettes have said the film was not cataloged very well, a can marked for one show might have some small rolls with clips for several shows.
Not sure but the info seems to be coming from TrekCore..

Here's a thread about it:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=235009
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Post by: goflyblind on February 18, 2014, 09:51:29 AM
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Post by: RVR II on March 06, 2014, 02:40:02 PM
Still no release day of Season 6 yet (June, 2014 is all that they're saying) BUT ...

http://www.youtube.com/v/60oK7L39cMc

https://www.youtube.com/v/AtYDbGEeeug
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Post by: RVR II on March 06, 2014, 03:21:21 PM
I didn't know about this ???

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Michael Dorn Confirms He’s Working on a ‘Star Trek: Captain Worf’ TV Series

Geek favorites Bryan Fuller and Bryan Singer have been forthcoming about their hopes for bringing Star Trek back to the small screen, after the release of J.J. Abrams’ elusive sequel to his Trek movie reboot next summer. However, it turns out those two aren’t the only ones with big dreams about a new TV series set in that sci-fi universe – Michael Dorn is also taking steps to reprise his signature Trek role on a spinoff, tentatively titled Star Trek: Captain Worf.

Worf, Son of Mogh, of course, is the first Klingon main character on a Star Trek TV series. He appeared on The Next Generation throughout its seven-season run, then became a Deep Space Nine regular for its last four seasons. Dorn portrayed Worf in all four Next Generation films; in addition, he played Worf’s grandfather, Colonel Worf, in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.

Rumors and reports about a prospective Worf spinoff began circulating earlier this year – which, perhaps not-so-coincidentally, marks the 25th anniversary of The Next Generation. Trek News caught up with recently with Dorn, who gave them the following exclusive “scoop” on the project:

    “I had come up with the idea because I love [Worf] and I think he’s a character that hasn’t been fully developed and hasn’t been fully realized. Once I started thinking about it, it became obvious to me that I wanted to at least put it out there, which I have, and the response has been pretty amazing. We’ve been contacted by different individuals–I can’t say who and all that–about wanting to come on board and be part of this. ”

Deep Space Nine concluded with Worf being made Federation ambassador to the Klingon homeworld, Qo’noS. An official prequel comic book to Abrams’ Trek reboot featured Worf as a Klingon Empire General, who battles the Romulan Captain Nero (Eric Bana, in Abrams’ film). Worf sustained life-threatening injuries during the encounter, but it was indicated he was still alive by the story’s conclusion.

Why This Controversial Star Trek TNG Episode Didn't Air

However, the overlap between events on DS9 and the Star Trek film continuity has always been kind of fuzzy; hence, it stands to reason that could also hold true for a Worf spinoff and the post-reboot movies. Dorn’s in the same boat of uncertainty as Fuller and Singer, when it comes to how his plans are affected by Abrams’ films – as he put it, “there’s all the political stuff going on with the new movies with J.J. Abrams and Paramount and all that stuff, which I have no clue about and what it all entails, but that’s where it is right now.”

star trek worf Michael Dorn Confirms Hes Working on a Star Trek: Captain Worf TV Series

The in-progress subtitle Captain Worf is open to interpretation, as far as indications for when, exactly, the TV series could take place. Such a Star Trek spinoff would, for certain, retain the ensemble format of its predecessors to some degree – with a focus on the adventures of Worf and a new group of space explorers. Morever, Dorn says the show isn’t so much a pipe dream as one might think (at first):

    “Interestingly enough it has gotten traction. I was very surprised, I was on a movie not too long ago, where one of the producers was basically lobbying to be part of it. He was like “Michael, I’d love to write it, if you haven’t.” So at this point, my agents and my manager are looking at all the avenues and trying to figure out which is the best one. My agent and manager have been in the business for awhile, so they’re very savvy about where to start and how to get it going. Like I said, in this business you never know and I’ve been through pitching things and I never want to do that again [laughs]. It’s pretty brutal, but definitely I think once again, if Paramount or CBS or anybody thinks this is a viable thing, they’ll jump on it.”

Worf’s Klingon manner and instincts often put him at odds with his fellow officers on The Next Generation, as hilariously highlighted in this 15-minute compilation video; still, there were a few episodes on DS9 that explored Worf’s personal sense of duty and honor beyond the surface level. Nonetheless, there does remain room for further development of the character – even given the substantial amount of backstory already in place for Worf.

However, as Dorn mentions above, the Star Trek: Captain Worf television series is far from getting an official greenlight right now. Nevertheless, we will keep you up-to-date on the situation as more information is released (or Dorn continues to talk about it).
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 06, 2014, 03:23:23 PM
God damn, that blu ray looks fuckin gorgeous.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 06, 2014, 03:27:02 PM
I had heard of that scene shot with Scotty and Troi, when the writers explained why she gave him that hug goodbye in the final scene.
It will be great to see it, actually I'd like to see it back in the episode and not as an extra...

Really can't wait for this one, so many episodes that will look great in HD.
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Post by: RVR II on March 06, 2014, 03:29:09 PM
Yeah that deleted scene with Scotty looks great! :o

I hate that it's coming out while I'm back in Mexico so I guess I'll just do the Pre-order through Amazon this time so they will be waiting for me when I return in July :-\
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 06, 2014, 03:32:51 PM
I wish Michael Dorn the best of luck!  I hope they just ignore the Abrams movies if it does get made.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 06, 2014, 03:36:10 PM
I wish Michael Dorn the best of luck!  I hope they just ignore the Abrams movies if it does get made.

Only thing that might give it a chance is that it happens so many years after the new fake trek.  Studios are normally extremely afraid of "confusing the audience", so they would probably want it to fit in with the bad timeline.  >:D
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Post by: RoninFox on March 06, 2014, 03:43:13 PM
I wish Michael Dorn the best of luck!  I hope they just ignore the Abrams movies if it does get made.

This is pretty old news, and I don't think anything ever came of it.  I direct you to:

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Geek favorites Bryan Fuller and Bryan Singer have been forthcoming about their hopes for bringing Star Trek back to the small screen, after the release of J.J. Abrams’ elusive sequel to his Trek movie reboot next summer. However, it turns out those two aren’t the only ones with big dreams about a new TV series set in that sci-fi universe – Michael Dorn is also taking steps to reprise his signature Trek role on a spinoff, tentatively titled Star Trek: Captain Worf.
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Post by: The Lurker on March 06, 2014, 03:45:04 PM
Why wouldn't they ignore it?  The newer movies are a separate timeline, anyway.
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 06, 2014, 04:50:19 PM
They still did damage in the Prime universe.  Destroying Romulus and exiling Spock to a parallel universe.
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Post by: RVR II on March 07, 2014, 07:24:03 PM
TNG Season 6 Blu-ray Pre-orders are up on Amazon :highfive:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IURL19Y/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As well as 'Chain of Command'..
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IUR3YI0/?tag=trekcore-20
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Post by: RVR II on March 08, 2014, 01:45:15 PM
And then this..
http://www.startrek.com/article/remembering-tng-guest-star-wendy-hughes-1952-2014
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StarTrek.com is saddened to report the passing of acclaimed Australian actress and Star Trek: The Next Generation guest star Wendy Hughes. She played Captain Picard's love interest, Lt. Commander Nella Daren, in the sixth-season hour "Lessons," which aired in 1993. Her TNG episode was just one credit in a long and successful career that spanned from the stage to television to features, and included My Brilliant Career, Careful, He Might Hear You and State Coroner, as well as The Graduate, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? and, in 2012, a Sydney Theater Company production of Pygmalion that cast her as Mrs. Higgins.

Hughes succumbed to cancer on Saturday afternoon in Sydney, with actor Bryan Brown breaking the news to the audience at a Sydney Theatre Company Travelling North show and leading the audience to honor her with a standing ovation. The actress was 61 years old and leaves behind a daughter, Charlotte, and a son, Jay. StarTrek.com offers our condolences to Hughes' family, friends, colleagues and fans.
This was a stellar episode from Season 6!  :(
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Post by: RVR II on March 10, 2014, 08:54:59 AM
TNG S6 and "Chain of Command" now carry a JUNE 3 release date at Amazon US :o
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Post by: The Lurker on March 20, 2014, 04:32:29 PM
Apparently, someone thought it would be good idea for Sabrina the Teenage Witch to crossover with Voyager.  This is the result: http://www.amazon.com/NOW-YOU-SEE-HER-DONT/dp/0671021206/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1395197390&sr=1-4 (http://www.amazon.com/NOW-YOU-SEE-HER-DONT/dp/0671021206/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1395197390&sr=1-4)
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Post by: The Lurker on April 07, 2014, 09:22:15 PM
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Post by: RVR II on April 11, 2014, 07:28:13 PM
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FYI Blu-ray fans: TNG S6 and 'Chain of Command' have been reschedule to a June 24 release date in the US.
:o I wonder why..
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 11, 2014, 07:30:53 PM
They are double checking that there really are only four lights.
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Post by: RVR II on April 17, 2014, 08:09:07 PM
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 08, 2014, 04:32:29 PM
The latest Treknologic podcast they did Journey To Babel.  In all the years of watching this I never noticed the flying butt to the face move Shatner does in the fight scene.  Hilarious.

Not a recommended move, it left him on the floor on his side and that's when he gets stabbed...

Or perhaps only recommended after eating food cooked by Neelix...  :rimshot:
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Post by: RVR II on July 03, 2014, 09:54:57 AM
So I've been watching TNG Season 6 Blurays since getting back from Mexico and I'm a bit disappointed in the 'Chain of Command' Bluray..

The actors that played Capt. Jellico and Admiril Nechev seemed to ramble on about themselves a bit much and I was really hoping they would get David Warner (AKA Ed Dillinger from TRON) who played the Cardassian torchering Picard but nope! :-\

Up to disc 4 currently so I'll followup on the complete series soon 8)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 03, 2014, 10:54:42 AM
Crap, I forgot about season 6 coming out last week.  And it's out of stock pretty much everywhere, so the price has gone up...

According to the Best Buy website there's a store in King Of Prussia that still has some in stock for $79, might take a drive up there tonight and see if any are still there.
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Post by: BathTub on July 03, 2014, 01:14:15 PM
Ah so that's why my rental service doesn't have season 7, I didn't even consider that!
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Post by: Soguru on July 03, 2014, 02:21:09 PM
I thought it very odd there was so much hate for Star Trek into darkness. I liked it, a lot. In fact, I found it got better with every subsequent viewing.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 03, 2014, 02:31:02 PM
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Post by: BathTub on July 03, 2014, 02:57:26 PM
Have they announced DS9 Blu Rays?
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Post by: RVR II on July 03, 2014, 05:34:48 PM
Have they announced DS9 Blu Rays?
I thought I heard a rumor they were starting them in 2015 after TNG season 7 comes out by the end of this year..
Again just a rumor.
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Post by: Soguru on July 03, 2014, 10:34:28 PM
Have they announced DS9 Blu Rays?
I thought I heard a rumor they were starting them in 2015 after TNG season 7 comes out by the end of this year..
Again just a rumor.
Forgive my skepticism but as with the TNG series I can't imagine them looking that much greater after they've undergone the high definition conversion. Did the TNG blu-rays really look that great?
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 03, 2014, 11:01:36 PM
Fuck yeah.  Do an image search for some screen shots.
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Post by: Soguru on July 04, 2014, 12:20:51 AM
I'm sorry but I still find myself standing at the crossroads of indifference.
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Post by: RVR II on July 04, 2014, 07:53:22 AM
I'm sorry but I still find myself standing at the crossroads of indifference.
Everything is still in 4:3 but the picture is alot clearer and I just stretch the screen to fill in the 2 vertical bars left by the 4:3 picture.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 04, 2014, 01:33:11 PM
Got the last season six blu-ray set on the shelf at best buy for $70, it's up to $117 on Amazon now.

Oh, and RVR, streatching out the show to avoid the black bars, shame on you!

I hate it when I have to watch something like that, drives me crazy, all I can see are the proportions all screwed up...
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Post by: BathTub on July 04, 2014, 01:54:41 PM
The picture looks great before I distort it!
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Post by: Soguru on July 04, 2014, 09:44:19 PM
The picture looks great before I distort it!
Chocobo! Stop distorting the future!
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Post by: RVR II on July 04, 2014, 09:49:08 PM
Got the last season six blu-ray set on the shelf at best buy for $70, it's up to $117 on Amazon now.

Oh, and RVR, streatching out the show to avoid the black bars, shame on you!

I hate it when I have to watch something like that, drives me crazy, all I can see are the proportions all screwed up...
I just can't stand seeing those bars on each side of the picture.. It just GNAWS at me! :gouge:
Why they recorded the show in 4:3 anyway is beyond me  :-\
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 04, 2014, 11:38:44 PM
Got the last season six blu-ray set on the shelf at best buy for $70, it's up to $117 on Amazon now.

Oh, and RVR, streatching out the show to avoid the black bars, shame on you!

I hate it when I have to watch something like that, drives me crazy, all I can see are the proportions all screwed up...
I just can't stand seeing those bars on each side of the picture.. It just GNAWS at me! :gouge:
Why they recorded the show in 4:3 anyway is beyond me  :-\

HDTV was not even a blip on the horizon when next gen aired.

Actually they considered remastering in widescreen because most of the live action was filmed that way.  But the effects shots were all masked for 4:3, and they found too much "junk" on the edges of the live action.  So too much to clean up with CGI, and it would have meant doing the same thing they did with TOS, scrap all the effects and redo with CGI.  I'm really glad they didn't do that, the original film of the models looks so much better than what it would look like redone with CGI.

I still haven't seen the remastered Friends Blu-Rays, but I've heard they had the same problem, bits of the studio background creep into the edges of shots here and there.  But it doesn't really matter for a show like that, much more of a big deal to have bits of set construction showing up on the edges of Star Trek.

I watch a lot of old TV and movies that are 4:3 (academy standard aspect), so got used to the black bars a long time ago.  And like I said, the stretched out look drives me crazy.

I've got to scan the disc info and print out a sheet to put in the season 6 case, how stupid is it to have to remove a disc to read what is on the discs....
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Post by: RVR II on July 05, 2014, 06:52:10 AM
See and that's weird cause Battlestar Galactica 1978 (still not on blu ray) was done in wide screen (or they just 'stretched it' to 16:9) but it looks really good to me.

I can understand the tedious work that would have been involved to make them 16:9 and as for stretching the screen like I do to eliminate those vertical black side bars, I just don't see the flaws in the picture but maybe I don't pay attention to them but that's just me :-\
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 14, 2014, 02:51:53 PM
Finally watched Relics on the Blu-Ray.

Wow, that 12 foot tall model of the doors on the sphere really looks fantastic, there is so much detail.
The inside of the sphere also has way more fine detail, not sure if that is original or new CGI but it looks great.

And the deleted scene with Troi was cool, nice going Troi, making Scotty feel worse....

The commentary track is OK, a bit too much of Moore whining about not being able to put TOS references into TNG so he crammed as many as he could into this episode.
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Post by: RVR II on July 14, 2014, 03:09:37 PM
I never got back to doing my final review of S6..

Went back through each individual episode to look for deleted scenes and there was maybe only half of the episodes that actually had some deleted scenes and they were ok I suppose :-\
I liked the deleted scene on Relics as well, but thought there would be a little more behind-the-scenes with Scotty..
No mention of Wendy Hughes who played Commander Daren from 'Lessons' who passed away back in March :(

I guess I was expecting a bit more extras but still looked good in BluRay.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 14, 2014, 05:55:32 PM

I liked the deleted scene on Relics as well, but thought there would be a little more behind-the-scenes with Scotty..

 There is some behind the scenes footage from that in the documentary and the mission logs (recycled from the DVD set), in the commentary track Moore talks a bit about stuff that happened on set with Jimmy.

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No mention of Wendy Hughes who played Commander Daren from 'Lessons' who passed away back in March :(

I guess I was expecting a bit more extras but still looked good in BluRay.

To be fair I'm guessing most of the new extras were filmed at least a year ago.

The 3 part documentary on disc 6 is OK, not great, part 1 is kind of boring, they talk about DS9 way too much, part 2 is somewhat interesting talking about the music and sets, part 3 with the actors is the most interesting.

Except for the deleted scenes and commentary tracks I think all the other extras are from the DVD sets.  So, yeah, this set is probably has the least amount of new material.
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Post by: The Lurker on August 14, 2014, 08:55:37 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/showbiz/obit-star-trek-arlene-martel/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/showbiz/obit-star-trek-arlene-martel/index.html)
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Post by: RVR II on August 15, 2014, 08:30:58 AM
Yeah it was the BSG movie that was stretched not The tv series.. My bad :-[

I don't see the flaws that much, but I guess I'm used to watching it stretched :-\
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Post by: RVR II on September 06, 2014, 01:37:47 PM
And Finally a release date (December 2, 2014) for Season 7 of TNG along with 'All Good Things' (just rewatched that episode last night by the way)..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NAIMGXI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NAIMHMS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 06, 2014, 02:18:00 PM
Awesome.  Now bring on DS9.
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Post by: RVR II on September 06, 2014, 02:36:19 PM
Awesome.  Now bring on DS9.
I am still 50/50 on getting this series currently but as they start showing the improvements and extras, I'm sure I'll wind up getting that series as well 8-)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 08, 2014, 02:15:12 PM
I'm still not sure I'll get season 7 on Blu-Ray.  Just not that many episodes I really want to see in HD.  If I read that the extras are really good I might think about it, but the extras on season 6 were pretty disappointing.

As for DS9, if they do it I might get season 1 just to see some of the effects in HD, but then again I might wait to see if it shows up on Netflix or Amazon Prime in HD someday.  I thought about getting Enterprise but the streaming HD is good enough for me, and I haven't even looked to see what kind of extras were shot for the Enterprise blu-rays, TNG is the last series that the extras matter to me.

I kind of agree on the low "rewatchability" of DS9, there's a few episodes I've rewatched on Netflix, but compared to the other series where I'll go back and rewatch sections of seasons I just don't ever feel like doing that with DS9.  DS9 certainly leads in the number of episodes I've only seen once when they aired and have never gone back to.
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 08, 2014, 07:21:35 PM
TNG and DS9 were both weak in their first two seasons, they didnt get good until season 3.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on September 08, 2014, 08:12:43 PM
I'd argue that of all the modern series, DS9 had the best start.  Some fantastic episdoes in S1, and I don't think the bad early DS9 episodes top the bad ones on TNG, Voyager, or Enterprise.
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Post by: Soguru on September 10, 2014, 06:13:03 AM
TNG had some good stuff early on, but yeah, 3rd-5th seasons were the good ones.  Early DS9 is...yeesh.
I must take this opportunity to mention season 1's "Duet". For all the flaws of DS9's early shows, it probably had the strongest premiere episode of all Star Trek shows. Better than "Encounter at Farpoint"? I don't think there's any debating that. Better than "Caretaker"... any argument here? Better than "Where no man has gone before? Mmmmmm.... in fairness I'd have to say it's a tough choice but I think The Emissary has a stronger story overall. Some other early great DS9 episodes include "Cardassians", "The Maquis I and II", "Crossover", "Tribunal", and "Battle Lines". On one point I must agree, DS9 had trouble initially finding a good dramatic direction. In its favor, the characters were always stronger than any of the crew of Voyager.

As an aside, I'm sick of having to put episode titles in quotations. Can anybody please explain the rather obscure and possibly unwritten rules behind when it's necessary to put quotes around titles and when it's okay not to?
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 10, 2014, 09:30:41 AM
I'd also say either pilot of the original series are far superior to all the first episodes of the others.

Farpoint is unwatchable, Emissary is OK , Caretaker is meh, Broken Bow is also meh.  Of those I've rewatched Emissary maybe twice, but have seen the pilots for the original series probably a dozen times each.

Duet needed a better ending, extremely lazy writing the way it was.  Would have been better to have Kira stop the attack, causing a rift between her and her resistance comrades.

Since I've got the lists of episodes up, my list of how far you have to skip into each series to get what I think is the first really good episode:

TOS: both pilots
STTNG: 13 or 15
DS9: 6
Voyager: 7
Enterprise: 7

Really is amazing how dramatic the turnaround for TNG was, from loads of crap to pretty good over little more than half a season.
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Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2014, 10:09:40 AM
To this day I Still have not watched Enterprise..

I have them backed up on DVD and hard drives but just never watched them.
It may be time to change this :-\
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 10, 2014, 10:56:28 AM
To this day I Still have not watched Enterprise..

I have them backed up on DVD and hard drives but just never watched them.
It may be time to change this :-\

Watch it in HD on Netflix or Amazon Prime, the ship needs HD to look good.  If you don't see all the fine details it really looks like a cheap piece of plastic....

Looking at the lists again I forgot LeVar Burton directed a bunch of Enterprise episodes, and some of the better ones.
Also, what seems to be the common thread between all the crappy episodes of Voyager and Enterprise is: written by Braga and or Berman...

Rewatched what should have been the final 2 episodes of Enterprise a few days ago, Demons and Terra Prime, the way that ended would have been a fine way to end the series, instead we get next is that horrible abomination of an episode as a finale.  And guess what, that was the only episode of all of season 4 written by Braga and Berman....
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 10, 2014, 12:20:38 PM
I don't find any of the first 2 seasons of Enterprise unwatchable, can't say that for TNG season 1 or Voyager the first several seasons.  cough::Threshold::cough

And I've rewatched more of them than DS9, although I can't bring myself to say DS9 was worse the first 2 seasons.  I guess I like the characters on Enterprise better than DS9, but the stories were certainly better on DS9, not really liking half the characters on DS9 is probably the thing that stops me from rewatching most of it. 

Looking on GEOS for the worst 10 of each series, ignoring the finale I'd watch most of the ones from Enterprise before any of the others.  Of course it's not completely fair since the other series had more years to build up some truly terrible episodes.
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 10, 2014, 12:42:15 PM
Id watch Enterprise before Voyager.  I think the first 2 seasons were as good if not better than than the others.  I even liked most of season 3, though it felt off for Star Trek for some reason.  I would have watched it if it had nothing to do with Star Trek.  Season 4 was really great until that finale.  They had finally found what the show was supposed to be about.  Too bad it was their last season.
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Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2014, 01:35:17 PM
Instead of doing something like Enterprise, I'm not sure why they couldn't fill in an existing void with the Enterprise B or C, or even continued on past Voyager ???
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 10, 2014, 01:38:38 PM
I want to see a show about one of the alien races.  Like a show about a Klingon battlecruiser or something.  Maybe an Obsidian Order or Tal Shiar spy show?
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 10, 2014, 02:26:13 PM
Something beyond Voyager would have been good, and would have allowed for some guest spots for older cast members without even needed much makeup to make them look older.

I like the idea of a show aboard a Klingon battle cruiser more than the other 2 suggestions.  Probably only possible if a cable network or streaming company were to do it, pretty sure the big studios are still against anything that doesn't have humans as the central characters, even book publishers are still against those ideas.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 10, 2014, 02:36:23 PM
Season 4 was really great until that finale.

The way to wipe out the finale is to think of it as an episode of TNG that was too bad to air during it's run, just tacked onto the end of Enterprise to recover production costs.  The added benefit of thinking about it that way is so all the stuff that happens with the NX-01 people becomes a poorly written holo-novel, not actually based on historical facts.  ;D 
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Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2014, 02:50:07 PM
I'd rather see an anthology show instead of one cast/one crew.  Just call it Star Trek: Federation.  If budgets are an issue, do it as 2-3 miniseries per year.
I like this idea :o
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Post by: Soguru on September 10, 2014, 03:55:32 PM
And "Duet" blows chunks.
That's a rather bold statement. I remember SF Debris did a review of the episode and he basically gave it a 10/10. I'm not one to always mindlessly follow the opinion of somebody who is obviously intellectually superior to me but I have to agree with him on that.
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Post by: Soguru on September 10, 2014, 06:59:26 PM
How about: it's incredibly overrated for what is essentially a predictable and by-the-numbers story without any real surprises. 
I personally found it to be very poignant.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on September 12, 2014, 07:47:17 PM
Id watch Enterprise before Voyager.  I think the first 2 seasons were as good if not better than than the others.  I even liked most of season 3, though it felt off for Star Trek for some reason.  I would have watched it if it had nothing to do with Star Trek.  Season 4 was really great until that finale.  They had finally found what the show was supposed to be about.  Too bad it was their last season.

I don't know.  With Voyager, disappointing overall as it was, I can point to a few episodes that can stand with the best of Trek.  With Enterprise, at its best, it was just "good" never "great".  Even season 4 was just an improvement over what we had seen.  Like S2 of TNG vs S1.

Voyager also had a few good characters. Seven, Kes, Doctor.  Everyone on enterprise was boring.  Archer made even the batshit insane Janeway look better.  Janeway was nuts.  Archer was flat out incompetent.
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Post by: The Lurker on September 12, 2014, 08:07:38 PM
Wasn't there the whole genocide thing with Enterprise, too?
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 12, 2014, 08:54:30 PM
Archer incompetent?  I don't get that at all.

I think people can't adjust their ideas of how the crew should be acting to the time period the show is in, so they just say it was bad.  It was literally "where no human has gone before", and that was a fault early on, too many "firsts" so there was a bit of repetitiveness.
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 13, 2014, 04:48:51 AM
Archer made even the batshit insane Janeway look better.  Janeway was nuts.  Archer was flat out incompetent.

Archer never stranded his crew on the other side of the galaxy.  I know that was the point of the show, but they made Janeway look way more incompetent than Archer for that.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 14, 2014, 11:55:50 AM
Watched a bunch of DS9 to see if half the characters still get on my nerves, and yes, they still do.
Actually I think Kira gets on my nerves more now.
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Post by: Soguru on September 15, 2014, 02:15:20 AM
I liked O'Brien, Garak, and Quark the best on that show I think.  And Worf is all right when he shows up.
Gotta love Damar and Dukat to some extent. I also always liked General Martok. I don't find anyone on Ds9 to be annoying at all. I guess it's because generally speaking I see nothing but how I relate to the main characters. I Love Sisko, Dax, Bashir, Odo, etc.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on September 15, 2014, 06:11:56 AM
Archer incompetent?  I don't get that at all.

I think people can't adjust their ideas of how the crew should be acting to the time period the show is in, so they just say it was bad.  It was literally "where no human has gone before", and that was a fault early on, too many "firsts" so there was a bit of repetitiveness.
Archer made even the batshit insane Janeway look better.  Janeway was nuts.  Archer was flat out incompetent.

Archer never stranded his crew on the other side of the galaxy.  I know that was the point of the show, but they made Janeway look way more incompetent than Archer for that.

A rookie captain making a mistake (and don't get me wrong, even after getting the crew stranded, Janeway made a lot more mistakes) in my view doesn't top a Captain that lets his dog piss on a cultural treasure of an easily offended alien species, and then can't figure out why the aliens are mad.
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 15, 2014, 06:24:11 AM
Granted, I wouldnt have taken my dog on a fist contact mission, but they if I recall they asked permission, there was a statement about making sure there were no alien pathogens that could harm him.  The aliens never told him to stay away from their tree.
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Post by: RVR II on September 15, 2014, 07:02:23 AM
Granted, I wouldnt have taken my dog on a fist contact mission
Oh myyy.. :o
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Post by: Soguru on September 15, 2014, 09:13:21 AM
Granted, I wouldnt have taken my dog on a fist contact mission
Oh myyy.. :o
That reminds me to remind everybody to subscribe to Fist Contact on Youtube. No, I'm serious, there really is a producer named fistcontact on youtube and he makes really damn funny Star Trek videos.
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Post by: RoninFox on September 15, 2014, 09:16:53 AM
Archer incompetent?  I don't get that at all.

I think people can't adjust their ideas of how the crew should be acting to the time period the show is in, so they just say it was bad.  It was literally "where no human has gone before", and that was a fault early on, too many "firsts" so there was a bit of repetitiveness.
Archer made even the batshit insane Janeway look better.  Janeway was nuts.  Archer was flat out incompetent.

Archer never stranded his crew on the other side of the galaxy.  I know that was the point of the show, but they made Janeway look way more incompetent than Archer for that.

A rookie captain making a mistake (and don't get me wrong, even after getting the crew stranded, Janeway made a lot more mistakes) in my view doesn't top a Captain that lets his dog piss on a cultural treasure of an easily offended alien species, and then can't figure out why the aliens are mad.

Where does the captain that let a young ensign beam down to a planet and play ball without finding out that the local laws impose the death penalty for an infraction as small as stepping on a flower rank on this scale?
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Post by: RVR II on September 15, 2014, 09:36:16 AM
Granted, I wouldnt have taken my dog on a fist contact mission
Oh myyy.. :o
That reminds me to remind everybody to subscribe to Fist Contact on Youtube. No, I'm serious, there really is a producer named fistcontact on youtube and he makes really damn funny Star Trek videos.
Found the link.. :D :D
https://www.youtube.com/user/fistcontact/videos
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Post by: Soguru on September 15, 2014, 10:56:25 PM
As for the mains, I don't think Sisko or Dax could act very well. Sisko shouts, Dax just purses her lips and huffs.  Bashir is OK; his best stuff was with the "brain trust" kids. Odo was given ridiculous storylines that were really sad and cliched; I suspect the actor was capable of a lot more, but was hamstrung by the make up and the stupid gruff voice.
That's fine, but when I see these characters, I see people that I actually care about and feel for. I guess in the end that's the most important thing. I mean if we can't relate/identify with them, it doesn't really matter how good the actor/actress is who portrays the character.

If Sisko does have any flaws(whether it's due to the writing or Avery Brooks), I can forgive a lot for Sisko because he is just so bad-ass and yet he's capable of balancing that with being a good father figure. He's got his moments where he's soft-spoken too and even when he is he can be scary. I think he's a very well-balanced character.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 15, 2014, 11:45:01 PM
Pretty funny how people see characters differently, I've never once thought of Sisko as "bad-ass" in any way...

Interesting writeup on The Digital Bits about how fans could convince CBS to remaster DS9:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/091014_1215

Basically, buy the other series that are on Blu-Ray now.

Interesting that it will take more money to do DS9 because by the end of that series they were using more and more CGI, with no film to scan all those big space battles will have to be redone from scratch.
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Post by: RVR II on September 16, 2014, 06:19:11 AM
Kira just seems like a pill.
I went back to season 1 and watched a few episodes, and the one episode 'The Game' where Sisko, Dax, Bashir, and Kira were trapped in the game and Kira had enough and threw down the tray of fake food and everyone was laughing at her..
I LOL'd at this description of her :D :D
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 16, 2014, 06:22:34 AM
"Move Along Home"  "The Game" was a TNG episode.
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Post by: RVR II on September 16, 2014, 06:29:00 AM
"Move Along Home"  "The Game" was a TNG episode.
Yeah that's it..
I didn't really pay much attention to the actual title :P
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Post by: Sideswipe on September 16, 2014, 06:33:20 AM
They are both terrible episodes.
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Post by: RVR II on September 16, 2014, 06:44:05 AM
They are both terrible episodes.
Agreed!
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Post by: Soguru on September 16, 2014, 08:52:14 AM
I guess I'm saying I find the characters kind of flat and uninteresting, due perhaps to portrayal, or perhaps to writing.  Sisko seems really erratic and overemotional to me, with huge mood swings, and frankly Kira just seems like a pill.
I think she's basically a war orphan. I also think(and I know this is going to seem like a bit of a reach) she's kind of the embodiment of the question "What if Anne Frank survived?". Obviously, this is a totally different context but I think you get the idea. I know people have different life experiences that cause them to act and behave a certain way that we may find somewhat distasteful, so I'm always willing to at least try and overlook potential personality flaws and quirks. My theory is that it's just cultural differences.
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Post by: Soguru on September 16, 2014, 11:12:40 AM
Possibly. I also find her religiousness infuriating.
That, I can understand. But as long as somebody doesn't try to make me worship the Prophets/Wormhole Aliens, they may do as they like, just as long as their beliefs don't infringe on the rights of others. :)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 20, 2014, 10:00:55 AM
I tried a few more of the Mission Log Roddenberry podcasts last night, the ones for movies II ,III ,IV.

A few bits of trivia I didn't know, like they were originally going to make IV a full out comedy with Eddie Murphy instead of Catherine Hicks.

But these podcasts are still too long winded, I know that's what they are going for, "in depth analysis", but they go a little too far pulling meaning out of thin air sometimes. 

The other thing that started really annoying me was the attempt at pretending that they are doing these when the movies came out.  Refusing to talk about stuff that they know is going to happen in later movies or series is really stupid.  Every time they say "spoiler alert" and then pretend they don't know what's coming makes me want to punch them.  They talk about how special effects have improved and how the movies hold up over time, so what is the obsession with spoilers?  How many people go to Roddenberry .com that haven't seen most of Star Trek?

I might listen to the one for Star Trek V, just to see how they deal with a bad movie.  Or just skip it and go back to Treknologic, they have way more fun on that podcast.  Loved their podcast for the Enterprise finale, they had the proper reaction that everyone should have to that episode, pure anger and rage.  It just fails in every possible way.  ;D
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 20, 2014, 10:52:57 AM
Will have to look for the treknologic podcasts.

http://www.treknologic.com/

They skip around all the series and movies randomly.

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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 26, 2014, 10:41:25 AM
In case no one has read about it yet, the 11 foot filming model of the original Enterprise has been moved out of the gift shop and is being evaluated for some kind of restoration before being put on display in the "milestones of flight" exhibit:

http://blog.nasm.si.edu/behind-the-scenes/moving-the-star-trek-starship-enterprise-studio-model/

Interview with the woman in charge of the model:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/09/exclusive-interview-enterprise-model-curator-smithsonians-national-air-and-space-museum/

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Post by: Sideswipe on September 26, 2014, 11:36:24 AM
As long as it gets taken care of, that what matters.  That model is priceless.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 26, 2014, 03:33:44 PM
In case no one has read about it yet, the 11 foot filming model of the original Enterprise has been moved out of the gift shop and is being evaluated for some kind of restoration before being put on display in the "milestones of flight" exhibit:

http://blog.nasm.si.edu/behind-the-scenes/moving-the-star-trek-starship-enterprise-studio-model/

Interview with the woman in charge of the model:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/09/exclusive-interview-enterprise-model-curator-smithsonians-national-air-and-space-museum/

I really hope they fix the "restoration" that the other asshole did to it when they moved it into the gift shop.  That paintjob is atrocious.

The interview with the woman from The Smithsonian didn't really commit to anything, but she did say they would be using scientific techniques to analyze the paint.  From all accounts the top of the saucer section around the name and number are original paint from the time it was in the studio, so if they are doing a historical restoration I would hope they analyze that area and match the rest of the thing to that.  Unfortunately almost all the other areas were sanded down to the wood and redone in that horrendous restoration in 91, so the question is how do they deal with that?  Do they have the budget to redo those areas?  Even if they do they might be afraid of doing more damage if they have to work on it that much.  So we can hope the paint will be restored to the look it should have, but there could be reasons we might get suck with some of the bad stuff done in 91.

It's supposed to be in the shop for 18 months, so they certainly have time to do it right.
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Post by: RVR II on October 16, 2014, 11:18:44 AM
Going through my DS9 episodes and somehow I got the episodes 'Past Tense Part 1 & 2' on both Season 2 and Season 3 disc and folders..  ???
Not sure how the hell this happened, but since I resurrected my old Netflix account for a short time, I'm getting this Season 2 Disc 3 again to get the proper episodes; 'Rivals' and 'The Alternate' then my collection will be complete 8)
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 16, 2014, 06:39:42 PM
I like "Rivals", its a good Quark episode.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on October 17, 2014, 06:52:04 AM
I like "Rivals", its a good Quark episode.

Lousy Prince Humperdink....
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 17, 2014, 06:59:09 AM
Yeah, that bastard screwing with the laws of probability.
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Post by: RandyMistie on October 20, 2014, 10:39:58 AM
Yeah, man! Listen if you are a Star Trek fan, you must at least try the Star Trek Online game. (Free with in app purchases)..  It is actually pretty fun. I mean, I never bought any thing but I had a good time running my crew of half naked men, all oiled up.  This was a problem that Starfleet had with me, but I saved the galaxy a few times so they let me slide.... A bit. I was written up a coupla times.

It's a very fun game for a Trek Fan....
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Post by: RoninFox on October 20, 2014, 10:46:07 AM
I had some fun with the game, but it kinda got old after awhile since I was dedicated to not buying anything.
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Post by: RandyMistie on October 20, 2014, 10:46:27 AM
I mean, obviously, if you are not a homo or radical, like myself, you don't need to, you know, have that kind of dress code.... but you can... if you want too... I never played Romulans or Kilingons, I likes me some soft federation boys... but... you know, you can do that if you want.
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Post by: RandyMistie on October 20, 2014, 10:51:49 AM
I had some fun with the game, but it kinda got old after awhile since I was dedicated to not buying anything.
Yes. I agree, but, I think they made a fairly playable game for trekkers, even if you never want to buy stuff.... Although I was tempted many times!!!!  I am a Star Trek geek from hell.... it was real hard!

This is real stupid, but I really loved sitting in Earth Space Dock, dancing with pretty boys and answering obscure, bizarre Star Trek Trivia questions.... I'm pathetic....
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Post by: RVR II on October 20, 2014, 10:55:48 AM
Just give me Counselor Troi, Jadzia Dax, and Seven of Nine and I'd make my own space dock rock 8) :P
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Post by: RandyMistie on October 20, 2014, 11:00:44 AM
HAHAH! Yes... there was much discussion of those chicks...
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Post by: RVR II on October 20, 2014, 11:04:52 AM
HAHAH! Yes... there was much discussion of those chicks...
Oh yeah, and Dr Crusher to 'revitalize' me when needed :P
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Post by: RandyMistie on October 20, 2014, 11:15:20 AM
This what I am saying... When some dumb fuck starts on Obama or politics or religion, we tell Gorn jokes. We trekkers.

It's a lotta fun.
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Post by: RVR II on October 20, 2014, 11:16:56 AM
This what I am saying... When some dumb fuck starts on Obama or politics or religion, we tell Gorn jokes. We trekkers.

It's a lotta fun.
Or just go off on them in Klingon :D :D
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Post by: RandyMistie on October 20, 2014, 11:27:06 AM
Right! Fuckin, rules! I mean their are alotta dick, just like any free to play game, but there is this solid core of trekkers that love the games and the mythology, and you get with them.... total fun...

And if they get too boring, beam up and do a mission. Fight some Klingons, or Romulans... or evil Feds... (I like evil Feds, a lot of nudity on my ship....)
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Post by: RVR II on October 21, 2014, 12:03:14 PM
Going through my DS9 episodes and somehow I got the episodes 'Past Tense Part 1 & 2' on both Season 2 and Season 3 disc and folders..  ???
Not sure how the hell this happened, but since I resurrected my old Netflix account for a short time, I'm getting this Season 2 Disc 3 again to get the proper episodes; 'Rivals' and 'The Alternate' then my collection will be complete 8)
Just got the disc, ripped the 2 episodes in 5 minutes, and actually caught the mailman as he passed by in his box vehicle to send the disc back out :o
I love it when a plan comes together 8)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 31, 2014, 08:22:30 PM
Decided to build the Enterprise D since the kit was pretty cheap, not doing anything too involved, no paint or fine detail work, just glue it up, put on decals, and color with art markers.  I've never been a huge fan of the shape of the D, and having a physical model actually detracts from that, first ship that I have liked better on screen than in model form.

Got the secondary hull and the nacelles done, this is pretty funny, all 3 of the models in the picture are the same scale (1:2500), I've heard jokes about 1:350 Enterprise D models on forums but never realized just how big that scale D would be, at the same scale as my 1:350 TOS model it would take up my entire living room...

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/1andahalfEs.jpg)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 31, 2014, 11:29:46 PM
Well, done with all the decals, must have taken at least 12 hours to put them all on  (easily 4+ hours for 3 nights).

Now that it's done, it really is not as pleasing to the eye as the first two 1701s.  I still think the B is the most ugly, with the D runner up.

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/ORD.jpg)
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Post by: RandyMistie on November 01, 2014, 05:36:16 AM
I hear all of your of your arguments about episodes, actors, writing, FX, ships, etc... And I've heard it all my life. But, I think we can all agree, that we just like Star Trek. It's like pizza, even when it's bad, it's still pretty good...

Also, that applies to sex, BTW...
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Post by: Sideswipe on November 01, 2014, 05:50:22 AM
J.J.s monstrosity is just all out of proportion.  Aside from that I think the E is the next worst looking.  I dont know, something about that missing neck looks off to me.
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Post by: RandyMistie on November 01, 2014, 06:02:30 AM
Oh, yes, Swipe, I think we can all agree that JJ's Trek sucks donkey penis. But, we can ignore that, because he was always a Star Wars fan... he'll make a good Star Wars, I think.

He should never have been used for Trek, no....
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Post by: RandyMistie on November 01, 2014, 08:27:25 AM
LOL!  Ok, ok, that's true... Sometimes bad pizza is pretty bad!
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Post by: Sideswipe on November 01, 2014, 08:29:41 AM
Ever had Frescetta?  I think that shit is boxed in the same stuff the crust is made out of?
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Post by: RandyMistie on November 01, 2014, 08:36:43 AM
DiGiorno is worse! I think! But, you have a point, the picture of the pizza would taste better!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 01, 2014, 09:15:37 AM
One advantage of having a soy allergy, can't eat any of those frozen pizzas, so have to make my own from scratch...

Back to Star Trek, I don't acknowledge the "JJ" trek universe, so I don't count that ship...

As for the E, that would still be 3rd worst on my list, at least the proportions are good.  Now that I think about it, the D would probably look a whole lot better if they rotated the oval shape of the saucer section, the wide, stubby, look is what makes it really funky.  And flip the shape of the nacelles, wider on the back just looks wrong.  The real shape of the nacelles is something I never noticed on screen.  The taper on the TOS nacelles is also something you never notice on film either, it simply changes the perspective, but still looks fine when examining the model (and only becomes apparent in larger models).
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Post by: RandyMistie on November 01, 2014, 09:36:41 AM
The economy of Star Trek always perplexes me. I'm trying to work out an economy for a sci-fi novel of my own, even now. So, it worries me.

Gene Roddenberry imagined a world where money was meaningless. In that world, wouldn't you just sit back and relax? Why would you work? What motivates them? Honor? Truth, justice and the American Way? Didn't work for the Roman's... only slaves worked, citizens were all on welfare...

I'm a cynical bastard, but if there was no need for money, I would sit back and catch up on my "Flintstones" whilst eating replicated chessey poofs all day.

It was only later, after Gene died, with Rick Berman and the 'Rengi that "gold-pressed latinum" was introduced as a means of exchange.

An economy is based on the energy that is put into the system; The feds needed dilithium to power their ships. That was the closest TOS ever got to an economy. That energy is put into the system by workers and they do it for a share in the profits. So they can feed their kids and their hungry, hungry wives....

Although, it was established in Gene's mythology that a dilithium crystal could power a ship indefinitely unless damaged....and they were always getting damaged. Poor, Scotty....

Anyways... economy is hard. I always had that class in the morning.... and I was hung-over most of the time...
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 01, 2014, 09:48:37 AM
I always thought that gold-pressed-latinum stuff was an extremely contrived way to force currency into Star Trek.  Also the idea that you couldn't use replicators to make living things.  If something can be transported, it should be able to be replicated as well.

And that's the thing about economy in a world with replicators, energy really is the only "commodity", and if technology is to the point of having replicators then it also has multiple ways of generating massive amounts of energy as well.

Given human nature, I do think Gene's idealized world would be more like the people in Wall-E than the toned, fit, happy shiny people we see in Star Trek.  >:D
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Post by: RandyMistie on November 01, 2014, 09:52:34 AM
"WALL-E" excellent example... I always thought that that film was too subversive. It made mom and pop "squirm" about their own lives and that is why it didn't do well. Although, I got my copy! I thought it was brilliant! And too true!
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Post by: Sideswipe on November 01, 2014, 10:07:54 AM
I agree about the economy thing and gold pressed latinum.  It was kind of inconsistent, with the Federation not using money yet tons of Starfleet officers patronize Quark's bar.  We know he doesnt run that as a hobby, he is in it for profit.  Where does their latinum come from?  They cant all be super dabo players.

Also, the transporter doesnt create life, it just takes it apart in one place and reassembles it in another place.
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Post by: RandyMistie on November 01, 2014, 10:16:59 AM
Yes. Very forced, gold pressed latinum, was.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 01, 2014, 10:40:01 AM
Also, the transporter doesnt create life, it just takes it apart in one place and reassembles it in another place.

But there would be no technological reason not to be able to copy the data and use a replicator to make copies of living things just as easily as making a warp core or a sandwich....  It was just an excuse not to have to deal with the social ramifications of being able to replicate living tissue.  If you have the ability to scan anything at the resolution required to convert it to energy and then reassemble it exactly as it was, there would be no technical limitation on what you could replicate.
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Post by: Sideswipe on November 01, 2014, 10:44:04 AM
I suppose?
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Post by: RandyMistie on November 01, 2014, 10:48:16 AM
Marty is right. Where it really falls apart is at "The Holo-Deck", I liked that they addressed "holo-addiction" in Lt. Broccoli, "Barclay", but seriously, would you ever leave the Holo-Deck?

I mean, seriously... I don't have to work for money, and I have an endless fantasy world at my fingertips. I think "Star Trek" was Gene's idea of heaven....
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Post by: RandyMistie on November 01, 2014, 03:46:58 PM
Try reading "The Little Red Book" in economics class at 9 in the morning, with a hangover. It's murder, brothers and sisters!
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Post by: RoninFox on November 02, 2014, 07:16:13 AM
Hell, the first TNG episode screwed with the "no money" economy when Dr Crusher wanted to buy something at Farpoint Station and asked that it be "put on her account."
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 06, 2014, 11:03:54 AM
I have collected several of the Enterprise + Botany Bay 1:1000 model kits this year, intending to someday build the pilot and maybe mirror universe versions of the Enterprise, but don't have any need for the extra Botany Bay models.

So, I used one of them to build a fully loaded version of the cargo ship, using my 3D printer to make the missing cargo pods:

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/BBgrey1.jpg)
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/BBgrey2.jpg)
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/BBgrey3.jpg)
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/BBgrey4.jpg)

Next time I print up some decals I'll have to make some logos and serial numbers to put on the pods, something like you see on freight train cars.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on November 08, 2014, 09:29:45 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/1Se4QJ3.png)
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Post by: Soguru on November 10, 2014, 01:37:46 AM
I tried watching Voyager again the other day, and I just couldn't. Janeway is a horrible character in practically every aspect. I appreciate that she's female and she's empowering for the viewers, but the way I see it, she just makes women look bad. Major Kira from Deep Space Nine is a far better role model. She does make bad decisions, yes, but at least she didn't get her crew stranded on the other side of the goddamn universe for no reason.
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Post by: RVR II on November 10, 2014, 04:45:53 AM
I tried watching Voyager again the other day, and I just couldn't. Janeway is a horrible character in practically every aspect. I appreciate that she's female and she's empowering for the viewers, but the way I see it, she just makes women look bad. Major Kira from Deep Space Nine is a far better role model. She does make bad decisions, yes, but at least she didn't get her crew stranded on the other side of the goddamn universe for no reason.
Yeah I have to agree with this.. I'm kinda surprised it made it 7 seasons ???
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 10, 2014, 09:04:42 AM
To rewatch Voyager you really have to skip around a lot.  Episodes without at least one character being annoying are hard to come by.  Good "captain" episodes probably are the most rare.  The way the badness fluctuated between characters you have to blame the writing.  It was like they sat around thinking up who was going to do something stupid this week by throwing darts at a list of the characters.
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Post by: Sideswipe on November 10, 2014, 01:23:13 PM
I tried watching Voyager again the other day, and I just couldn't. Janeway is a horrible character in practically every aspect. I appreciate that she's female and she's empowering for the viewers, but the way I see it, she just makes women look bad. Major Kira from Deep Space Nine is a far better role model. She does make bad decisions, yes, but at least she didn't get her crew stranded on the other side of the goddamn universe for no reason.
Yeah I have to agree with this.. I'm kinda surprised it made it 7 seasons ???

It was made at the height of UPN and was their flagship show.  If it had been made instead of Enterprise it probably would not have made it to 7.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 10, 2014, 01:52:55 PM
I tried watching Voyager again the other day, and I just couldn't. Janeway is a horrible character in practically every aspect. I appreciate that she's female and she's empowering for the viewers, but the way I see it, she just makes women look bad. Major Kira from Deep Space Nine is a far better role model. She does make bad decisions, yes, but at least she didn't get her crew stranded on the other side of the goddamn universe for no reason.
Yeah I have to agree with this.. I'm kinda surprised it made it 7 seasons ???

It was made at the height of UPN and was their flagship show.  If it had been made instead of Enterprise it probably would not have made it to 7.
Possibly.. I think bringing on that hottie 7 of 9 help things along a bit :P
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on November 10, 2014, 02:17:08 PM
Possibly.. I think bringing on that hottie 7 of 9 help things along a bit :P
Nobody can deny Jeri Ryan's hotness but the problem is they didn't really develop her character at all. In fairness, I think they at least tried, but she's still the equivalent of a damn Borg drone at the end of the series.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 10, 2014, 02:20:16 PM
Possibly.. I think bringing on that hottie 7 of 9 help things along a bit :P
Nobody can deny Jeri Ryan's hotness but the problem is they didn't really develop her character at all. In fairness, I think they at least tried, but she's still the equivalent of a damn Borg drone at the end of the series.
I agree with this assessment as well.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on November 10, 2014, 03:43:13 PM
I tried watching Voyager again the other day, and I just couldn't. Janeway is a horrible character in practically every aspect. I appreciate that she's female and she's empowering for the viewers, but the way I see it, she just makes women look bad. Major Kira from Deep Space Nine is a far better role model. She does make bad decisions, yes, but at least she didn't get her crew stranded on the other side of the goddamn universe for no reason.

Fully agreed with Kira.  The problem with Janeway I think stemmed from the writers being afraid to make the woman captain look weak in any way.  So they just made her right all the time.  One week she is right for one reason, and the next she's right for the opposite reason.  Kirk, Picard, and Sisko had their flaws.  They were great leaders, but they were not perfect.  Janeway was right for no other reason than "I'm the captain and I say so".

They gave her a first officer with no personality and was little more than a yes-man for seven years.  Hell, the entire series is based on Janeway making a terrible command decision and getting her crew stranded due to her own incompetence as a leader.  Hell, even Troi passed the test where you have to sacrifice people for the good of the ship and rest of the crew.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 10, 2014, 03:51:47 PM
They essentially toss out a plot point that could have made for some great story telling with the friction between the Starfleet crew and the Maquis after 3 or 4 episodes.  That should have been a source of tension for most, if not all of the series.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 10, 2014, 06:52:51 PM
They gave her a first officer with no personality and was little more than a yes-man for seven years.  Hell, the entire series is based on Janeway making a terrible command decision and getting her crew stranded due to her own incompetence as a leader.  Hell, even Troi passed the test where you have to sacrifice people for the good of the ship and rest of the crew.

That was the premise of the series, to have a ship stranded on the other side of the galaxy.
Besides, are you saying she should have sacrificed an entire world just to get her crew home?  Granted it was somewhat stupid writing to have her have to make that choice, if the premise of the new show was to have a ship stranded then strand the darn thing, don't give them the choice when we all know what the outcome will be.  And if they wanted that choice to haunt the crew it certainly didn't show, the few times it was brought up they pretty much just mention it in passing while making other decisions that didn't get them home either....

I do agree on Chakotay, he did basically nothing for 7 years, at least they gave Riker a few good episodes, I think the only one of Chakotay I find tolerable is the one where he meets the aliens his ancestors on earth worshiped.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on November 11, 2014, 01:31:30 PM
They gave her a first officer with no personality and was little more than a yes-man for seven years.  Hell, the entire series is based on Janeway making a terrible command decision and getting her crew stranded due to her own incompetence as a leader.  Hell, even Troi passed the test where you have to sacrifice people for the good of the ship and rest of the crew.

That was the premise of the series, to have a ship stranded on the other side of the galaxy.
Besides, are you saying she should have sacrificed an entire world just to get her crew home?  Granted it was somewhat stupid writing to have her have to make that choice, if the premise of the new show was to have a ship stranded then strand the darn thing, don't give them the choice when we all know what the outcome will be.  And if they wanted that choice to haunt the crew it certainly didn't show, the few times it was brought up they pretty much just mention it in passing while making other decisions that didn't get them home either....

I do agree on Chakotay, he did basically nothing for 7 years, at least they gave Riker a few good episodes, I think the only one of Chakotay I find tolerable is the one where he meets the aliens his ancestors on earth worshiped.

Sacrifice an entire planet?  Where do you get that?  There was no reason to abandon the array, and while I do know some argue that she broke the Prime Directive by getting involved, I actually think destroying the array was needed.  The Kazon could not get their hands on that technology.


But that's the problem.  Destroying the array should not have meant being stranded.  A competent Captain would have A.  Ordered a crewman to stay behind and blow up the array after they left (or done it themselves), or B.  Use a fuse.  That's where Janeways stupidity enters.  There was no logical reason for them to be trapped in the Delta Quadrant.  Tuvok says flat out that he know how to get them home, and can access that program.  They had already figured out how to use the array, Janeway just didn't do it.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 11, 2014, 03:39:01 PM
They gave her a first officer with no personality and was little more than a yes-man for seven years.  Hell, the entire series is based on Janeway making a terrible command decision and getting her crew stranded due to her own incompetence as a leader.  Hell, even Troi passed the test where you have to sacrifice people for the good of the ship and rest of the crew.

That was the premise of the series, to have a ship stranded on the other side of the galaxy.
Besides, are you saying she should have sacrificed an entire world just to get her crew home?  Granted it was somewhat stupid writing to have her have to make that choice, if the premise of the new show was to have a ship stranded then strand the darn thing, don't give them the choice when we all know what the outcome will be.  And if they wanted that choice to haunt the crew it certainly didn't show, the few times it was brought up they pretty much just mention it in passing while making other decisions that didn't get them home either....

I do agree on Chakotay, he did basically nothing for 7 years, at least they gave Riker a few good episodes, I think the only one of Chakotay I find tolerable is the one where he meets the aliens his ancestors on earth worshiped.

Sacrifice an entire planet?  Where do you get that?  There was no reason to abandon the array, and while I do know some argue that she broke the Prime Directive by getting involved, I actually think destroying the array was needed.  The Kazon could not get their hands on that technology.


But that's the problem.  Destroying the array should not have meant being stranded.  A competent Captain would have A.  Ordered a crewman to stay behind and blow up the array after they left (or done it themselves), or B.  Use a fuse.  That's where Janeways stupidity enters.  There was no logical reason for them to be trapped in the Delta Quadrant.  Tuvok says flat out that he know how to get them home, and can access that program.  They had already figured out how to use the array, Janeway just didn't do it.

The Kazon would have wiped out what was left of the Ocampans to get their water.  And they were all that was left so yes, an entire world would have been wiped out if the array wasn't destroyed.

And again, going over how they could have used the array to get home and then somehow destroy it is pointless, the series would have been over.  I already said it was crappy writing to give them that option in the first place, they tried to use it as a tension builder a few times later on but it always failed.  And pretty much every TV show has those times when they fail to do pretty obvious things, Voyager had more than it's fair share  of them due to crappy writers.

Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on November 11, 2014, 04:24:51 PM
They gave her a first officer with no personality and was little more than a yes-man for seven years.  Hell, the entire series is based on Janeway making a terrible command decision and getting her crew stranded due to her own incompetence as a leader.  Hell, even Troi passed the test where you have to sacrifice people for the good of the ship and rest of the crew.

That was the premise of the series, to have a ship stranded on the other side of the galaxy.
Besides, are you saying she should have sacrificed an entire world just to get her crew home?  Granted it was somewhat stupid writing to have her have to make that choice, if the premise of the new show was to have a ship stranded then strand the darn thing, don't give them the choice when we all know what the outcome will be.  And if they wanted that choice to haunt the crew it certainly didn't show, the few times it was brought up they pretty much just mention it in passing while making other decisions that didn't get them home either....

I do agree on Chakotay, he did basically nothing for 7 years, at least they gave Riker a few good episodes, I think the only one of Chakotay I find tolerable is the one where he meets the aliens his ancestors on earth worshiped.

Sacrifice an entire planet?  Where do you get that?  There was no reason to abandon the array, and while I do know some argue that she broke the Prime Directive by getting involved, I actually think destroying the array was needed.  The Kazon could not get their hands on that technology.


But that's the problem.  Destroying the array should not have meant being stranded.  A competent Captain would have A.  Ordered a crewman to stay behind and blow up the array after they left (or done it themselves), or B.  Use a fuse.  That's where Janeways stupidity enters.  There was no logical reason for them to be trapped in the Delta Quadrant.  Tuvok says flat out that he know how to get them home, and can access that program.  They had already figured out how to use the array, Janeway just didn't do it.

The Kazon would have wiped out what was left of the Ocampans to get their water.  And they were all that was left so yes, an entire world would have been wiped out if the array wasn't destroyed.

And again, going over how they could have used the array to get home and then somehow destroy it is pointless, the series would have been over.  I already said it was crappy writing to give them that option in the first place, they tried to use it as a tension builder a few times later on but it always failed.  And pretty much every TV show has those times when they fail to do pretty obvious things, Voyager had more than it's fair share  of them due to crappy writers.



Voyager was a promising idea, handled by incompetents.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 12, 2014, 10:23:56 AM
Well I'm building another TOS Enterprise, 1:1000 scale this time.  Now that I have a few 1:1000 botany bay models done I need a good looking Enterprise to go with them.  I had built one last fall/winter but used it as a test bed for my big 1:350 model, so it has bad colors and blotches of different clear coats..

Almost ready for decals:
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/1_1000Epredecals.JPG)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 15, 2014, 08:21:57 PM
Since in "Space Seed" they said the Botany Bay was launched in 1996, I've been having some fun with the cargo pod decals I decided to put on my cargo ship model:

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/cargodecals.jpg)

I've got some others, Allied, Conrail, even a Lionel one....

Just starting the decals on my 1:1000 TOS Enterprise, got the nacelles done so far, should have started days ago but I keep finding little bits here and there that need putty and paint touch ups.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 15, 2014, 08:32:34 PM
Larsen's Biscuits and Peniston Oil ship on DY-100s, you need to add them to the cargo pods.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vbm6JiaooVE/R3DWcwTDzhI/AAAAAAAAAeI/BPH6fX5AuJ0/s400/top.gear.s10e09.ws.pdtv.xvid-angelic.avi_000281000.jpg)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 16, 2014, 12:46:37 AM
Forgot to share this photo, before I started with the decals I noticed this interesting size comparison:

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/BbayVSecondary.jpg)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on November 16, 2014, 06:57:07 AM
They look great, but I don't remember the big red pipe between them. 

Makes the DY-100 look like a space RV offloading its waste.

Kirk:  What do you want, Khan?

Khan:  Shitter was full...
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 16, 2014, 11:17:13 AM
Khan is now being played by Randy Quiad.  The costume is the same of course.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 16, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
Randy Quiad. 
Who ???
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 16, 2014, 02:59:02 PM
Yeah, I misspelled it but you knew who I was talking about you fucker.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 16, 2014, 03:10:07 PM
Yeah, I misspelled it but you knew who I was talking about you fucker.
'I-I-I'M A PILOT!! I-I CAN FLY!'
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 16, 2014, 03:25:51 PM
I am sure you have been probed up the ass also.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 16, 2014, 05:58:56 PM
I am sure you have been probed up the ass also.
NO!! That was just a dream!
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/cartman_anal_probe_zps5a4b0c38.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/cartman_anal_probe_zps5a4b0c38.jpg.html)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 17, 2014, 11:52:20 AM
The latest Treknologic podcast is great, reviewing a pretty good TNG episode (the one where K'Ehleyr dies.  :'( )
They do pick on the one thing I've always picked on in that episode, and come up with a great way it could have been done better, with only some small changes to the dialog...

Progress on my Enterprise (I guess this is my medium size one, in between my huge and tiny ones):

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/1_1000secondary.jpg)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 17, 2014, 08:37:01 PM
Done with my Space Seed edition Enterprise:

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/spaceseed1.jpg)

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/spaceseed2.jpg)

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/spaceseed3.jpg)

And for scale, here it is with my other 2:

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/3EnterprisesTOS.jpg)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Henry88 on November 18, 2014, 01:16:29 PM
a good monster deserves a second mention 

(http://johnkennethmuir.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/skin22.jpg)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 18, 2014, 08:41:57 PM
Dont swim in Armus.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on November 19, 2014, 01:08:40 AM
Dont swim in Armus.
Especially if it's nuclear armus.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 19, 2014, 05:34:59 PM
Broke out all my fancy photography stuff to get some dual flash shots of the space seed models:

spoilered for size
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Nunyerbiz on November 20, 2014, 05:19:25 AM
Nice work on the models! I still have a few Trek models buried somewhere in my "hobby" room that I'll need to resurrect one of these days... Think I have an Enterprise-A and the Reliant... they scared me off for years because of their size I knew I wouldn't have anywhere to display them... so I kept working on 1:72 and 1:48 airplanes instead. Then I got married, had kids and largely stopped building models. You have inspired me to once again one day think about maybe starting to consider building again!
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 25, 2014, 08:18:09 PM
Awesome Star Trek themed clocks.. :o
https://www.etsy.com/listing/171790428/star-trek-clock-we-need-more-time
But at $130 dollars, I'll have to pass :-\
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Post by: RandyMistie on November 27, 2014, 10:23:43 PM
Magnificent! Really excellent. That first photo looked like it came right out of the original episode!

I've been a ST collector and geeko-nerd for years and I've never seen a Botany Bay so well detailed! Well done, sir!
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on November 29, 2014, 07:39:02 AM
Recently, I just had to pick up Star Trek 3 the search for Spock. It's not that great a movie, but I still have a soft spot for it. Plus it's got all the commentaries and stuff too.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 29, 2014, 07:44:35 AM
I actually think Star Trek 3 is somewhat under rated.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 29, 2014, 07:53:29 AM
Just a friendly reminder the ST TNG Season 7 Blu Ray will be available on December 2 from Amazon, OR just go directly to Best Buy and pick it up there without having to wait for shipping 8)
Target and Walmart do not appear to be displaying it's release on their websites.. :-\
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 29, 2014, 10:37:48 PM
I ended up ordering season 7 from Amazon hoping there are some good extras, wasn't going to get this set but the price isn't that bad, and now I'll have all of them...
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 30, 2014, 12:39:41 AM
In case anyone doesn't know, this year thanksgiving (Nov. 27) was the 50th anniversary of the start of filming for the first pilot, The Cage.  The 11 foot filming model of the Enterprise wasn't delivered until the 29th of December, not sure if it was used at all for The Cage, by the time it was delivered the first pilot was pretty much rejected and the studio had not decided to do the second pilot yet.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 30, 2014, 06:21:25 AM
I ended up ordering season 7 from Amazon hoping there are some good extras, wasn't going to get this set but the price isn't that bad, and now I'll have all of them...
Both Amazon and Best Buy have Season 7 for $57.99 and 'All Good Things' for $14.99 and since I'm leaving for Mexico on Dec. 10, picking these up from Best Buy will give me time to watch them before leaving..  8)
And Amazon's 'Free Shipping' seems to take an average of 4-5 days to arrive, Even Though There's an Amazon Warehouse just an Hours Drive South of Me! >:(
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 30, 2014, 09:49:09 AM
I wonder why this set is cheaper, possibly because there are a lot of people like me that wouldn't have bothered if it was as expensive as the last set?

Oh, reading more about the timeline of what was happening 50 years ago, the 11 foot model did get filmed before being put into storage and some of that did end up in The Cage, then the model went into storage while they decided whether or not to make the second pilot.
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Post by: Soguru on November 30, 2014, 02:12:00 PM
I would love for Parmount to just compile all the unseen bloopers from seasons 1-7 onto a DVD. Now THAT it something I'd buy because unlike every episode of TNG it's not something I've seen a hundred times.
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Post by: RVR II on November 30, 2014, 02:24:34 PM
And unrelated to Star Trek..
The Original Series Battlestar Galactica is coming to Blu Ray on May 12, 2015..
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Q2OQNCM/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00Q2OQNCM&linkCode=as2&tag=battlestargalactica1978-20&linkId=MYVSVI7YGCY5KQU6
Includes the dull reboot 'Galactica 1980' :o
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 30, 2014, 02:44:39 PM
So why post it in the Star Trek thread?
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 30, 2014, 02:47:35 PM
I noticed the BSG release also, the time doesn't make sense, May?  Why the wait?  Of course being out in Germany on Blu-Ray for a year already doesn't make much sense either...
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Post by: RVR II on November 30, 2014, 02:47:58 PM
So why post it in the Star Trek thread?
See the 2nd part of the thread title?? It just veered off course temporarily 8)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 30, 2014, 02:48:35 PM
I noticed the BSG release also, the time doesn't make sense, May?  Why the wait?  Of course being out in Germany on Blu-Ray for a year already doesn't make much sense either...
Yeah not sure the wait either..
I don't think their release has all the extras included in this set :-\
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 30, 2014, 03:31:17 PM
So why post it in the Star Trek thread?
See the 2nd part of the thread title?? It just veered off course temporarily 8)

BSG in the ST thread?  Porkins has something to say about that:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll4/badgerspoon/Threadbombs/Macro-StarWars-StayOnTopic.jpg)
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Post by: Soguru on November 30, 2014, 03:49:03 PM
I don't know if I'd want Porkins to be my wing man. Unfortunately... Tom Paris would probably be a better wingman.
Was that good veering?
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Post by: RVR II on November 30, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Yeah that's pretty good though I'd take Porkins if I told him he had a pork rines surprise if he pulled up :P
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Post by: Sideswipe on November 30, 2014, 04:19:36 PM
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/a3/a32c608af64ab319962bda9f20bd6eb52f8d5ee7a45020d56c7b57f591537bb3.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on November 30, 2014, 04:26:01 PM
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/a3/a32c608af64ab319962bda9f20bd6eb52f8d5ee7a45020d56c7b57f591537bb3.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/PicardHelm_zps946973aa.gif) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/PicardHelm_zps946973aa.gif.html)
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on November 30, 2014, 06:03:58 PM
Wouldn't want to mix up your fandoms.

(http://i.imgur.com/EYEQiVg.png)
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Post by: Soguru on November 30, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
That's cute, holographic Doctor wearing a Doctor Who shirt.  :)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 02, 2014, 08:24:15 AM
Just got Season 7 Blu Ray of TNG :highfive:
Now to start a binge watching 8)
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Post by: Soguru on December 02, 2014, 12:52:10 PM
Just got Season 7 Blu Ray of TNG :highfive:
Now to start a binge watching 8)
Let me know if the bloopers are any good.  :D
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Post by: RVR II on December 02, 2014, 12:56:58 PM
Just got Season 7 Blu Ray of TNG :highfive:
Now to start a binge watching 8)
Let me know if the bloopers are any good.  :D
Just watched them on Disc 2 and yes they were pretty funny! :D :D
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Post by: Soguru on December 02, 2014, 01:03:29 PM
Just got Season 7 Blu Ray of TNG :highfive:
Now to start a binge watching 8)
Let me know if the bloopers are any good.  :D
Just watched them on Disc 2 and yes they were pretty funny! :D :D
Sweet! Gonna have to rent it some time. I just wish Paramount would make something like that available through VOD. I'd totally pay them to download all seven seasons of TNG bloopers.
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Post by: RVR II on December 02, 2014, 01:07:30 PM
Yeah that would be cool.. Not sure why they don't :-\
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Post by: Nunyerbiz on December 02, 2014, 02:20:14 PM
I actually think Star Trek 3 is somewhat under rated.

I watched that not too long ago... maybe last year sometime... and I would agree. While saying it's the best of the odd-numbered Trek films is somewhat of a backhanded compliment, it was a lot better than I remembered it.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on December 02, 2014, 05:05:43 PM
I watched that not too long ago... maybe last year sometime... and I would agree. While saying it's the best of the odd-numbered Trek films is somewhat of a backhanded compliment, it was a lot better than I remembered it.
I remember first hearing the title when I was probably five years old and being absolutely thrilled and told my parents about it the second I saw it on TV.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RoninFox on December 03, 2014, 04:24:30 AM
I watched that not too long ago... maybe last year sometime... and I would agree. While saying it's the best of the odd-numbered Trek films is somewhat of a backhanded compliment, it was a lot better than I remembered it.
I remember first hearing the title when I was probably five years old and being absolutely thrilled and told my parents about it the second I saw it on TV.
Trek 3 is great stuff.  Over the years I've come to like it better than 4, but its still close.  Lloyd made one hell of a Klingon.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 05, 2014, 10:13:25 AM
Check this freak'n awesome TOS destroyer someone built using parts from the same 1:350 kit I built in the spring:

http://www.inpayne.com/models/trek/azrael.html
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 05, 2014, 10:55:52 AM
Quickly watched the Season 7 DVD set (in just 2 1/2 days to be exact) and didn't see a whole lot of deleted scenes (unless I missed them in the extras of the first 5 discs) :/
Disc 6 episode was just 'All Good Things' but with extras about the series in general from beginning, during, to the ending so you basically got 5 discs of Season 7 episodes for the most part.
The separate 'All Good Things' DVD had deleted scenes and interviews with several of the cast as well as 'Q' which was pretty good in my opinion :o
Disc 2 had the Blooper real which was pretty funny but once again I thought there would be more of them :-\

For the price of $57.99 and $14.99 for All Good Things, it still seemed a bit high for what was included with the set so if you are one of those that would rather wait till the price drops in half, it would be worth waiting for the cheaper price :-\

Now On To Deep Space 9 8)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 05, 2014, 12:20:44 PM
Does the stand alone disc for All Good Things have any extras not in the season set?  I've been skipping all those stand alone episodes and have been wondering about that.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 05, 2014, 12:24:25 PM
Does the stand alone disc for All Good Things have any extras not in the season set?  I've been skipping all those stand alone episodes and have been wondering about that.
Just some deleted scenes and interviews with some of the cast including Q.
Oh and a commentary track to listen to while the episode is playing.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on December 05, 2014, 01:09:47 PM
I'm not sure DS9 will ever see a blu-ray release. I think even by Trek fans standards it's too obscure to warrant it. :( I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 05, 2014, 01:41:53 PM
I'm not sure DS9 will ever see a blu-ray release. I think even by Trek fans standards it's too obscure to warrant it. :( I hope I'm wrong.
I think it's already been confirmed though I cannot find proof of this..
If it does go to Blu Ray, I'm sure they will make it public on ETAs :o
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Post by: Soguru on December 05, 2014, 02:04:58 PM
I think it's already been confirmed though I cannot find proof of this..
If it does go to Blu Ray, I'm sure they will make it public on ETAs :o
I'd love to see it on Blu-Ray, some of those episodes don't look very good on DVD, I hope they look really nice in hi-def.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 05, 2014, 02:15:02 PM
I think it's already been confirmed though I cannot find proof of this..
If it does go to Blu Ray, I'm sure they will make it public on ETAs :o
I'd love to see it on Blu-Ray, some of those episodes don't look very good on DVD, I hope they look really nice in hi-def.
They looked 'better'..
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on December 05, 2014, 02:19:36 PM
They looked 'better'..
Good. I was always concerned about some of the haziness I saw in quite a number of episodes.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 05, 2014, 02:24:01 PM
They looked 'better'..
Good. I was always concerned about some of the haziness I saw in quite a number of episodes.
Like I said earlier, I rushed through these because I'm leaving for Mexico in a few days and I really have a lot of other things to do before we go so I just did a quick review of the season and made a mention of what stood out to me.  ;D
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 06, 2014, 07:12:30 AM
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Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on December 06, 2014, 12:06:06 PM
It looks like Paramount finally made a right decision about the new movie series.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/roberto-orci-beams-directors-chair-001500533.html
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 06, 2014, 12:55:40 PM
It looks like Paramount finally made a right decision about the new movie series.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/roberto-orci-beams-directors-chair-001500533.html
Cool! Now lets see if they can produce something extraordinary :o
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on December 06, 2014, 04:48:21 PM
I am not gonna hold my breath on that.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on December 06, 2014, 07:09:19 PM
I am not gonna hold my breath on that.
Sideswipe! For an Autobot you sure do like to point out the CONS of every thing.

We now return you to your normally scheduled Star Trek thread.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 06, 2014, 07:16:45 PM
I am not gonna hold my breath on that.
Sideswipe! For an Autobot you sure do like to point out the CONS of every thing.
He's always had a screw loose :P
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on December 06, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
This can only be a good thing. They need to remove everyone involved with those first two movies.
Umm... except the actors, right?
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RandyMistie on December 07, 2014, 06:04:34 PM
LOL! Imrahil....
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RandyMistie on December 07, 2014, 06:30:03 PM
I watched that not too long ago... maybe last year sometime... and I would agree. While saying it's the best of the odd-numbered Trek films is somewhat of a backhanded compliment, it was a lot better than I remembered it.
I remember first hearing the title when I was probably five years old and being absolutely thrilled and told my parents about it the second I saw it on TV.
Trek 3 is great stuff.  Over the years I've come to like it better than 4, but its still close.  Lloyd made one hell of a Klingon.

Christopher Loyd was THE Klingon Commander! He ruled!  Yes, I like 3 very much. Nimoy's direction was quite good. He is certainly a far, far better director than Shatner....
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on December 07, 2014, 07:57:50 PM
Umm... except the actors, right?
I stand by my statement.
Oh Imrahil you can be so cruel.  :(
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on December 07, 2014, 11:12:57 PM
Oh Imrahil you can be so cruel.  :(
I can!? FINALLY!
*lights acetylene torch*
Next time I will quantify my statement.  ;D
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RandyMistie on December 07, 2014, 11:33:45 PM
You know he is coming right at me with that torch.... thanks, Soguru....
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RandyMistie on December 08, 2014, 01:53:21 AM
I never liked 4. Star Trek 4: Save the Whales! Plus it had the time travel thing which Trek over uses.

Although it did have some clever dialogue.

Chick, to Kirk: So... you are from outer-space...?
Kirk: No, I am from Iowa. I only work in outer space.

That was good.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RoninFox on December 08, 2014, 12:34:23 PM
I watched that not too long ago... maybe last year sometime... and I would agree. While saying it's the best of the odd-numbered Trek films is somewhat of a backhanded compliment, it was a lot better than I remembered it.
I remember first hearing the title when I was probably five years old and being absolutely thrilled and told my parents about it the second I saw it on TV.
Trek 3 is great stuff.  Over the years I've come to like it better than 4, but its still close.  Lloyd made one hell of a Klingon.
Christopher Loyd was THE Klingon Commander! He ruled!  Yes, I like 3 very much. Nimoy's direction was quite good. He is certainly a far, far better director than Shatner....
Don't think enough people give Christopher Lloyd for being the prototype of the modern Klingon.  TOS Klingons were basically Romulans without the ears, a straightforward villain that would twirl their mustaches if they weren't so short.  They popped up with the new foreheads in TMP, but they were basically animals that could push buttons.  Commander Kruge was the first Klingon to really bring up honor and mean it.  Sure he was over the top and ruthless, but he had his code and he lived by it.

I never liked 4. Star Trek 4: Save the Whales! Plus it had the time travel thing which Trek over uses.
Although it did have some clever dialogue.
Chick, to Kirk: So... you are from outer-space...?
Kirk: No, I am from Iowa. I only work in outer space.
That was good.
Don't forget
Kirk: I think he did a little too much LDS.
Two words:

Nu-cle-ar Wessels!

Always makes me smile.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RandyMistie on December 14, 2014, 03:16:52 AM
Ronin, about Christopher Loyd, totally agree... he set the template, and he set it high...

"WE ARE KILINGONS!"

He ate up that role! Good god... now, I wanna see THAT movie again...
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on December 15, 2014, 04:43:13 PM
Ronin, about Christopher Loyd, totally agree... he set the template, and he set it high...

"WE ARE KILINGONS!"

He ate up that role! Good god... now, I wanna see THAT movie again...
The Director's Edition oddly enough had no extra scenes at all. There were some cool extras and neat commentaries both audio and written though.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 21, 2014, 10:33:33 PM
Watched all the special features on the latest Blu-Ray set.  Meh...

The blooper reel was good but very short.

The guys on stools talking was OK.

The 3 parts of the "eclipsed" thing went from bad to good.  First one was too much whiny stuff about how much work it was to do so many shows.  Second one was better, people proud of how much work went into making great shows.  The 3rd one with the actors was good, but a lot of rehash of stuff said in previous sets so nothing really new. 

Still haven't watched any episodes from the set, there's only a few I really care about seeing in HD.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 22, 2014, 02:48:55 PM
I rushed through that season 7 set and need to rewatch them when I get home cause I'm sure I missed some extras somewhere.. :-\
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 31, 2014, 08:13:45 AM
The Smithsonian is still in the examination phase for the 11 foot model (that is now officially 50 years old, it was delivered to the special effects production team on 12/29/64).  Here's a pretty good interview with the woman in charge of the conservation:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/12/smithsonian-enterprise-update/

They have a very good team of advisers this time, people that know what the model should look like, but the constant use of the word conservation has me thinking all the damage done in 1992 is not going to be reversed...
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 06, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
Picked up the first 2 volumes of "These Are The Voyages" by Marc Cushman.  Got the hardcover versions, massive books, one for each season of the original series.  If you haven't heard of these books they are detailed accounts of what happened while making each episode using Gene's notes and other sources.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 08, 2015, 12:44:30 PM
Picked up the first 2 volumes of "These Are The Voyages" by Marc Cushman.  Got the hardcover versions, massive books, one for each season of the original series.  If you haven't heard of these books they are detailed accounts of what happened while making each episode using Gene's notes and other sources.

I love these. I just bought all 3 (pretty steep, but they're the best ones I've seen).


I might order the 3rd one directly from the website instead of waiting for it on Amazon, haven't looked at what shipping costs from the site are yet.

In case anyone is interested there is a bundle deal now on the website for all 3 books for $68:

http://www.thesearethevoyagesbooks.com/

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Post by: Soguru on January 08, 2015, 01:40:51 PM
I've got so many Mp3 players I'd really like to get more Star Trek Audio books in mp3 format. For a long time I listened to William Shatner's Star Trek Movie Memories and honestly... I still enjoy them 20 years later. Same for William Shatner's Star Trek Memories, which in contrast cover the years over which the TV show was made.

I think I really like having stories read to me, I find that my concentration when reading is too easily broken because of my eye problems. I do have great admiration for people who can read several books a day. It's something I always wanted to do but just never could find the motivation to do.
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 08, 2015, 08:04:51 PM
He has done all of the books in his Captain Kirk returns saga, also his audio book "Get a Life" is pretty good too.  Tales of the Ferengi is also worth listening to.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on January 10, 2015, 09:31:20 AM
He has done all of the books in his Captain Kirk returns saga, also his audio book "Get a Life" is pretty good too.  Tales of the Ferengi is also worth listening to.
I listened to "up till now" as well, and that was pretty good. He gets really candid about his life at some points in that book to the point where I was genuinely surprised he would even share such details. I think one of my favorite stories was when he was acting on live TV. Will had rehearsed with Lon Chaney Jr. It was pretty funny, I highly recommend reading the story for yourself if you can because I can't do it justice.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on January 10, 2015, 10:33:22 AM
Now that I'm back home I'll proly start another Star Trek binge watch.
Thinking about DS9 or Voyager .. Probably DS9 8)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on January 10, 2015, 05:43:21 PM
Now that I'm back home I'll proly start another Star Trek binge watch.
Thinking about DS9 or Voyager .. Probably DS9 8)
Speaking of Voyager, I came across somebody about a year and a half ago who said he thought Voyager was a better show than Deep Space Nine... it took all the restraint I had to not fly into a fury of nerd rage.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RoninFox on January 10, 2015, 06:14:28 PM
Now that I'm back home I'll proly start another Star Trek binge watch.
Thinking about DS9 or Voyager .. Probably DS9 8)
Speaking of Voyager, I came across somebody about a year and a half ago who said he thought Voyager was a better show than Deep Space Nine... it took all the restraint I had to not fly into a fury of nerd rage.
As a kid, I kind of agreed with that person, since I found the first couple seasons of DS9 boring enough to quit watching and enjoyed the beginning of Voyager quite a bit.  Now that I'm older and started looking back, I'm loving most of what DS9 has to offer and Voyager is pretty hit and miss.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 10, 2015, 09:57:44 PM
It was the war that soured me on DS9, it dragged on too long for me.  But at least they had a scary enemy, a lot of the enemies Voyager went up against were pretty lame.  I skip any episodes with the Kazon and those hunter guys.  And the Vidiians, except for the one where the doctor turns one holographic while he treats her.  The Vidiians should have been scary, but they just weren't...

But Voyager also had some of the best enemies, Species 8472, the Borg, The Think Tank, the Krenim.  It was such a schizophrenic show, when it was bad it was unbelievably bad, but it could also be really good.
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Post by: Soguru on January 10, 2015, 10:27:11 PM
What I love about DS9 is that it was never overly focused on just the one obvious locale. It branched out and told very interesting and intriguing stories involving deep characters with actual chemistry. Overall, it was a pretty strong show.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on January 11, 2015, 05:11:00 AM
a lot of the enemies Voyager went up against were pretty lame.  I skip any episodes with the Kazon and those hunter guys.  And the Vidiians, except for the one where the doctor turns one holographic while he treats her.  The Vidiians should have been scary, but they just weren't...

But Voyager also had some of the best enemies, Species 8472, the Borg, The Think Tank, the Krenim.  It was such a schizophrenic show, when it was bad it was unbelievably bad, but it could also be really good.
I have to agree with you there.

I know QuipTracks is riffing Season 2 of Voyager soon so I may hold off for that :o
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 11, 2015, 04:29:02 PM
Voyager shat all over the Borg!
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Soguru on January 12, 2015, 03:21:31 PM
What did Paris say when a Borg fighter was following him? He said "There's a Borgey on my tail!"
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on January 12, 2015, 03:48:22 PM
What did Paris say when a Borg fighter was following him? He said "There's a Borgey on my tail!"
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Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on January 14, 2015, 09:38:47 AM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/StarTrek8bit_zps23cfbc56.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/StarTrek8bit_zps23cfbc56.jpg.html)Star Trek‬ from ‪TOS‬ to ‪Enterprise‬, 8 bit style................
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Post by: RVR II on January 14, 2015, 11:12:04 AM
I might have to get cable back if this happens :o
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a620828/star-trek-the-cws-president-would-hope-to-have-new-tv-series.html#~p1n3kChZ8VdifJ
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Post by: Soguru on January 14, 2015, 08:30:44 PM
I'm a little apprehensive when somebody mentions the idea of Star Trek returning to television. Whoever is responsible, whoever produces, they really need to think this thing through before deciding when it should take place, and the potential stories and issues that should be tackled.
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 14, 2015, 09:04:14 PM
Star Trek was meant for tv.  Thats where it belongs, thats where its at its best.
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Post by: Soguru on January 15, 2015, 12:36:06 PM
Star Trek was meant for tv.  Thats where it belongs, thats where its at its best.
I still think The Wrath of Khan was the best thing to ever bear the Star Trek name.
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Post by: Soguru on January 15, 2015, 03:59:12 PM
Nah. There were tons of TV episodes better than TwoK.  Not to say it wasn't great, but it's atypical Star Trek.
I'm not sure any episodes were more successful at exploring such deep and meaningful themes: Life, Death, self-sacrifice, Hope, and so on.
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Post by: Soguru on January 15, 2015, 08:08:00 PM
Have you not seen City on the Edge of Forever?
Of course I have. As great an episode as it was though, the ending left me feeling very empty.
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Post by: RVR II on January 23, 2015, 03:52:58 AM
"Kill Him! He's the One!
Not Me You Idiot HIM!!!"
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Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on February 18, 2015, 01:04:20 PM
A $200 Star Trek original series coo-coo clock..
http://www.startrek.com/article/no-time-like-the-future
Is it Really worth that price ???
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Post by: Henry88 on February 18, 2015, 01:20:11 PM
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Post by: Soguru on February 18, 2015, 01:34:34 PM
I think a cuckoo clock would be the perfect gift for Dr Mccoy.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 20, 2015, 06:48:11 PM
Did a 5 year old write that text?

Looking at the signature I'm guessing it's an "English not being their first language" issue.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 06, 2015, 12:12:29 AM
The Treknologic gang did a really nice tribute podcast for Leonard Nimoy.
It's over 2 hours, they go over his entire career, then really get into Spock.

http://www.treknologic.com/?p=2850
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Post by: RVR II on March 06, 2015, 05:24:00 AM
That's pretty cool! :o
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Post by: Soguru on March 06, 2015, 08:58:58 PM
Life sometimes seems very cruel. If I were a little younger I couldn't imagine the world without the likes of Robin Williams or Leonard Nimoy. The idea of them dying... would have been just unthinkable to me just a few years ago. The world just seems a little less colorful and deprived of a certain vibrance and exuberance.
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Post by: RVR II on March 07, 2015, 06:09:11 AM
Yeah these deaths got me motivated for some reason to start backing up my blu-ray collection.. :-\
Backed up all my TNG discs that I bought as well as my Star Wars blu-rays.
I'll eventually do the same to the original series when I get them on blu-ray
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Post by: RVR II on March 08, 2015, 05:38:02 AM
You can make your own custom Borg Cube case to house all your TNG blu-rays, RVR:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/12/custom-blu-ray-designs-part-ii-build-a-borg-cube/
Yeah that is pretty awesome, but I don't think I've got the talent nor patience to construct it :-\
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Post by: Soguru on March 13, 2015, 11:00:38 AM
what things? abrams et. al. essentially copied wrath of khan.
That's a pretty simplistic view of looking at it. There were very similar elements to be sure. Khan gets a hold of a Federation ship, there's a great sacrifice on the part of a character we care about. I think a lot of people were ambiguous about the nature of this Captain Kirk and the kind of man he is. If nothing else, Into Darkness showed that this alternate timeline Captain Kirk will run headlong into danger to save his crew without showing any fear or hesitation. That was why this movie had the flip side of the coin. Who can knock a reactor back into place through sheer will of force? Captain Kirk, and Captain Kirk only.

What's nice is that the movie succeeds on its own merits because it explores themes of life and death in a profound way that actually has a lasting and noticeable effect on Spock. It's not as deep or as memorable as Wrath of Khan by any means, but it's still a sad reminder that some with power will use someone extremely dangerous and unpredictable to achieve their own agenda with no thoughts given to the possible consequences. That was ultimately what Into Darkness was about and had nothing to do with Wrath of Khan. one might argue that it's an allegory to the Genesis device.
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Post by: RandyMistie on March 18, 2015, 07:16:18 PM
Oh I bought one of those things back in the day. I spent 300 dollars on a Borg cube with DVD's in it. It was a rip-off, it only had episodes of ST:NG with Borg in the story... "Best of Both Worlds part 1 and 2" were great of course, but they jumped all around the series.

But you know, I have VHS tapes of the original series, DVD's all over the place. ALl the movies on VHS and DVD and Blu-Ray.... it's a huge mess... Thankfully, Netfix has everything I want to watch in one neat package.

I lost my Star Trek V dvd though, and I only bought it for RIfftrax. It is the only Rifftrax Star Trek movie that I do not have because I lost it! I watched it about 100 times... it was so funny... and I guess I was high and lost the disc.

And now, I don't think ST:V is on Netflix anymore...  I have a separate folder for Rifftrax discs and all of them are in there, even "Casablanca" "Jaws" and "The Dark Knight" even as I don't agree that they should be riffed, but.... anyways... I lost the fucking thing... I am so bummed. And that is all I have to say about that....
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Post by: Soguru on March 18, 2015, 09:16:25 PM
I'm sorry Randy. :( I hate to hear stories like that. Kind of leaves a bad taste in our mouth associated with the things we love.
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Post by: RandyMistie on March 18, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
It's ok, Soguru, there are worse problems in the world. Actually it is an annoyance not a problem... I'm sure it will turn up somewhere. I was probly high and put it in another disc case, I have been known to smoke a bit of the pot, as well as take a drink, I don't know if you know that about me....
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Post by: Soguru on March 18, 2015, 09:25:44 PM
It's ok, Soguru, there are worse problems in the world. Actually it is an annoyance not a problem... I'm sure it will turn up somewhere. I was probly high and put it in another disc case, I have been known to smoke, as well as take a drink, I don't know if you know that about me....
I didn't... but don't worry, it doesn't make me think any less of you or anything.
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Post by: RandyMistie on March 18, 2015, 09:39:05 PM
He didn't! WOw! I thought I made it fairly obvious... well... ok, Soguru, thank you! You are a good man!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 18, 2015, 10:48:07 PM
Oh I bought one of those things back in the day. I spent 300 dollars on a Borg cube with DVD's in it. It was a rip-off, it only had episodes of ST:NG with Borg in the story... "Best of Both Worlds part 1 and 2" were great of course, but they jumped all around the series.

You must have got that off ebay?  There have been a few Borg cube box sets, but the ones that were that expensive had the entire series inside.

Only extravagant box set I ever over paid for was the special Battlestar Galactica Blu-Ray one, crazy huge box that had a nice cylon figure in the "core".   Got it the week it was released so it was something close to $300.  The crazy box was not very useable for the discs, so I had to put them in thinpacks and print out labels for each one, the box and cylon were not worth the extra money. 

Only other fancy box set I own is the Blu-Ray one for LOST, but I waited until it was out for several years and picked it up when Amazon had a huge discount going on.

It is kind of odd that Star Trek V, VIII, and IX are expired on Netflix but the others are still there.  A quick search on Amazon Prime and I don't see any of the TOS or TNG movies showing up.
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Post by: RandyMistie on March 18, 2015, 11:13:26 PM
Was that the original Battlestar Galactica series with the classic cylon face? I saw that but I was a fan of the new show and I got that whole box set, not nearly as expensive. I liked the original series when I was a kid, sure, but I can't watch it as an adult. It's just too silly for me, however, I do get the nostalgia of it. I must say, I really loved that classic cylon face! Even if you could outrun them whilst taking a nap... slow they were... plodding...

No, I actually bought my Borg-cube from some store at a mall... The only other box set I paid so much for was the "Six Feet Under" entire series. It's a heavy marble cube like a mausoleum, and it has fake grass on top and a tomb-stone set into the grass that says:

Six Feet Under
2001 - 2005

It is really cool looking except that the plastic grass is very hard to dust... Those were the two most expensive box sets I ever plunked down so much money at one time for.

My upper limit is about 60 to 70 bucks for an MST3K box set really...
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 18, 2015, 11:20:00 PM
Was that the original Battlestar Galactica series with the classic cylon face? I saw that but I was a fan of the new show and I got that whole box set, not nearly as expensive.

Nope, it was the first complete series Blu-Ray release of the new version of the show.  Not long after they released the plain box set that was much, much cheaper.  But I was impatient wanting the series on Blu-Ray.

This crazy thing:

(http://www.theblurayblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/bsgalactica_complete_intjpg.jpeg)
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Post by: RandyMistie on March 18, 2015, 11:25:18 PM
OH!!!! *drooool*

Yes, yes.... No I don't have that one.... Oh but I wish I did.... well done sir.... Well done!

GODS I love that Cylon figure....
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 18, 2015, 11:27:26 PM
Well, you're in luck, Amazon has 1 left in stock, for $350:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001993Y2C/

And they remembered I ordered it in July 2009....
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Post by: RandyMistie on March 18, 2015, 11:36:55 PM
Oh, thank you Marty, but I really couldn't justify buying it again even if it looks so sweet and awesome! I think I will just look at that shot that you posted and drool some more... if you don't mind.

Great shot, too. Is that a promo or did you shoot it? Just gorgeous... Makes me want to watch the show again, and I will have to pull out my discs as Netflix pulled it.... I was surprised.... but yeah.... it's gone. Oh well, that why I like having the discs.

But, I think I am just going to zoom into that photo you posted a little bit more in a creepy way... geek porn, LOL!
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Post by: RandyMistie on March 19, 2015, 12:35:53 AM
The Borg cube is cool looking, I mean, it has a nice stand and I set it up next to my Romulan and Klingon birds of Prey. They all have little buttons that make lights and cool Star Trek sounds.... gee-heek-ah!

Now, for the height of Star Trek geekiness. Back in the early 90's? I had an Original Series Starship Enterprise phone. It sat on my desk and when it rang, the warp nacelles would light up and it would do the "Red Alert" sound... Now, when you answered the phone it got even more annoying. You had to pick up the saucer section and hold it to your ear. A thin sliver of the main trunk would come away from the nacelles which were stationary on the stand. And there was a clunky cord coming out of the shuttle bay.... it was the worst phone I ever owned, LOL! Oh my friends made great sport of me for that piece of crap.

I lost it years ago or I would take a picture to show you. It looked like a cool Enterprise model and it was until you had to use it as a phone....

Oh and yes, I collected the Hallmark Star Trek xmas ornaments.... too... I am so embarrassed... the corniest was the shuttlecraft "Galileo" you would push a button on the bottom and Leonard Nimoy's voice would say, "Shuttlecraft to Enterprise; Shuttlecraft to Enterprise. Spock, here. Happy Holidays! Live long and Prosper..." such a dork I am... I lost all of those too.

Really, it was a miracle I ever got laid... My kind, patient wife. Tolerant of pale, spindly geeks.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 19, 2015, 07:53:57 AM
One other thing about that box set, absolutely no documentation, at all.  So you have no idea what is on each disc, that was the other reason for putting them in thinpacks with printed labels.

The 70s sure had a lot of crappy Star Trek stuff.  I had a lot of them as a kid.  Communicator walky talkies that fell apart, a huge phaser that made sounds nothing like what was on the show, the action figure set that had the transporter that spun.
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 19, 2015, 08:15:38 AM
The Borg cube is cool looking, I mean, it has a nice stand and I set it up next to my Romulan and Klingon birds of Prey. They all have little buttons that make lights and cool Star Trek sounds.... gee-heek-ah!

Now, for the height of Star Trek geekiness. Back in the early 90's? I had an Original Series Starship Enterprise phone. It sat on my desk and when it rang, the warp nacelles would light up and it would do the "Red Alert" sound... Now, when you answered the phone it got even more annoying. You had to pick up the saucer section and hold it to your ear. A thin sliver of the main trunk would come away from the nacelles which were stationary on the stand. And there was a clunky cord coming out of the shuttle bay.... it was the worst phone I ever owned, LOL! Oh my friends made great sport of me for that piece of crap.

I lost it years ago or I would take a picture to show you. It looked like a cool Enterprise model and it was until you had to use it as a phone....

Oh and yes, I collected the Hallmark Star Trek xmas ornaments.... too... I am so embarrassed... the corniest was the shuttlecraft "Galileo" you would push a button on the bottom and Leonard Nimoy's voice would say, "Shuttlecraft to Enterprise; Shuttlecraft to Enterprise. Spock, here. Happy Holidays! Live long and Prosper..." such a dork I am... I lost all of those too.

Really, it was a miracle I ever got laid... My kind, patient wife. Tolerant of pale, spindly geeks.

Those Hallmark ornaments can be worth a lot of money.  The first Enterprise ornament from 1994 is worth like $600.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on March 19, 2015, 08:47:55 PM
I have a lot of the Trek ornaments.  Haven't collected them the last few years though.   They look nice.

(http://i.imgur.com/C8LQt4W.jpg)
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Post by: Soguru on March 20, 2015, 12:49:43 AM
I'm really curious to see what's going to happen with Star Trek 3. Now that Leonard Nimoy is gone, I am hoping there will be a serious effort to make something that truly honors both Star Trek and Nimoy's memory. As I see it, I would love it if the next film opened with James Horner conducting the score from Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock... sort of as an emotional little callback and something that may reflect some of the themes of that movie as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for a remake but something original, without question...
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 20, 2015, 05:59:24 AM
Those Hallmark ornaments can be worth a lot of money.  The first Enterprise ornament from 1994 is worth like $600.

Double nope.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=hallmark+1991&_from=R40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR2.TRC0.A0.H0.Xhallmark+1991+enterprise.TRS0&_nkw=hallmark+1991+enterprise&ghostText=&_sacat=0

Yes, used ornaments are not going to be worth as much as mint factory sealed ones.  If you want one of those, you will have to drop close to $500 for one.  Not quite as much as I thought, but still several hundred dollars for a christmas ornament.
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Post by: RVR II on March 20, 2015, 06:34:26 AM
If we only had replicators.. 8)
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 20, 2015, 06:42:28 AM
If there were replicators and holodecks I would never see the real sun again.
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Post by: Soguru on March 20, 2015, 11:21:03 AM
If there were replicators and holodecks I would never see the real sun again.
Okay, but you're going to come down with a nasty case of the rickets before long.  :)
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 20, 2015, 11:43:10 AM
Thats what the EMH is for.
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Post by: Soguru on March 20, 2015, 02:06:13 PM
I'll take Dr. Bashir over the EMH any day.
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Post by: RVR II on March 20, 2015, 02:13:12 PM
I'll take Dr Crusher myself :P
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2015, 02:40:17 PM
I'll take Dr Crusher myself :P

Great, now I have the "Oh Yeah" song from Ferris Bueller in my head.........

Thanks Obama!
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Post by: RVR II on March 20, 2015, 02:55:52 PM
I'll take Dr Crusher myself :P

Great, now I have the "Oh Yeah" song from Ferris Bueller in my head.........

Thanks Obama!
LOL!! :D :D
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Post by: Soguru on March 20, 2015, 03:46:07 PM
I'll take Dr Crusher myself :P
I was gonna say that, but if I want to live I'd rather take the genetically modified doctor over a doctor who sounds like she was named after a pro wrestler.
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Post by: RVR II on March 20, 2015, 03:53:15 PM
I'll take Dr Crusher myself :P
I was gonna say that, but if I want to live I'd rather take the genetically modified doctor over a doctor who sounds like she was named after a pro wrestler.
With the Dr Crusher and Counselor Troi duo, I'll be just fine :P
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2015, 03:58:57 PM
I'll take Dr Crusher myself :P
I was gonna say that, but if I want to live I'd rather take the genetically modified doctor over a doctor who sounds like she was named after a pro wrestler.
With the Dr Crusher and Counselor Troi duo, I'll be just fine :P

There goes that song again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah, those 2 can take all the time they want to fix me, and I needs me some fix'n that's for sure.

I am in one strange mood this evening............
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Post by: Soguru on March 20, 2015, 04:04:10 PM
I think those two are overrated. Give me Major Kira, Ezri Dax and Leeta from DS9.
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Post by: RVR II on March 20, 2015, 04:10:35 PM
I think those two are overrated. Give me Major Kira, Ezri Dax and Leeta from DS9.
Leeta will do just fine for me ... On a platter :P
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2015, 04:15:22 PM
I'll agree on Leeta being hotter than Troi or Beverly, but not the other 2.
Kira might be equal to Troi, maybe....
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Post by: RVR II on March 20, 2015, 04:17:31 PM
I'll agree on Leeta being hotter than Troi or Beverly, but not the other 2.
Kira might be equal to Troi, maybe....
I dunno.. Kira's attitude was a put-off to me :-[
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2015, 04:30:32 PM
Yeah, that's why I said maybe. 

But I'd take T'Pol over all of them....

Yeah, like a big pyramid.....

With oil involved somehow....
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Post by: RVR II on March 20, 2015, 04:32:26 PM
Yeah, like a big pyramid.....

With oil involved somehow....
wwwowww :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2015, 04:35:29 PM
So, now you know why I don't ever say Enterprise was bad even in the beginning.
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 20, 2015, 04:41:35 PM
No mention of 7 of 9?  Id like to 7 her 9, if you know what I mean...
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Post by: RVR II on March 20, 2015, 04:42:28 PM
So, now you know why I don't ever say Enterprise was bad even in the beginning.
I Still have not watched any Enterprise .. Maybe I should :o

No mention of 7 of 9?  Id like to 7 her 9, if you know what I mean...
Yeah I'd let her assimilate me any time :P
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2015, 04:50:03 PM
For me T'Pol wins even over 7 of 9....
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2015, 04:55:29 PM
So, now you know why I don't ever say Enterprise was bad even in the beginning.
I Still have not watched any Enterprise .. Maybe I should :o

Really?  Any reason why? 

Fire up Netflix or Amazon Prime.....  It's mildly serialized in the first 2 seasons, but then get's heavily so after that so you pretty much have to watch it in order.
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Post by: RVR II on March 20, 2015, 04:58:19 PM
So, now you know why I don't ever say Enterprise was bad even in the beginning.
I Still have not watched any Enterprise .. Maybe I should :o

Really?  Any reason why? 

Rick Berman took the Star Trek series 'backwards' in my opinion with Enterprise when there was so much more that could've been done after Voyager is all :-\

I have all 4 seasons backed up but just never watched them
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 20, 2015, 05:17:02 PM
There really wasnt a need for a prequel series, but I actually like Enterprise.  It had really found its pace by the fourth season, there were some really great episodes throughout the show but especially in season 4.  Skip the finale though, it really is bad.  A terrible way to end the series.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2015, 07:15:11 PM
I just re-watched the first episode, for some reason I've been skipping it since it's been on Netflix.   Liked it more than I remember.   One of the few completely written by Berman and Braga in any series that I like.

The second episode is OK, then it goes downhill until #7: The Andorian Incident, that is really good.  Pretty much the pattern of the first 2 seasons.
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 20, 2015, 07:27:47 PM
I pretty much agree with that.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2015, 11:20:33 PM
Skip the finale though, it really is bad.  A terrible way to end the series.

Yeah, that should be deleted, the second to last one (Terra Prime) is a far better ending to the series.
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Post by: RVR II on March 21, 2015, 06:05:07 AM
After I finish watching every single MST3K episode (K-04-1013), I will have to go ahead and watch this Enterprise series and leave some responses about it here I think :o
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Post by: Soguru on March 21, 2015, 10:27:14 AM
I can watch DS9 again and again... I can't imagine anyone on Earth wanting to watch Enterprise more than once if that.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 21, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
I can watch DS9 again and again... I can't imagine anyone on Earth wanting to watch Enterprise more than once if that.

I've re-watched most of Enterprise more times than DS9, especially the 4th season multi-part ones, and certainly more times than Voyager.  The worst of Enterprise is still better than the worst of Voyager, that series had some spectacularly bad episodes....

DS9 pissed me off too often, not liking where the story arcs were going, and they dragged out too long.  There are a bunch of stand alone episodes I really like, I wish they would have had more of them.
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 21, 2015, 12:14:22 PM
I like the Dominion War arc.
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Post by: jonalame on March 21, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
Joel: Ohhhh, wow.
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Post by: Soguru on March 21, 2015, 09:32:13 PM
I like the Dominion War arc.
Overall... the series had a lot of great story arcs with a quite a number of great standalone episodes here and there. I guess the characters made the show. Between Sisko, Dax, Odo, Quark, O'Brian, Bashir, Kira, Garak, Gul Dukat... they were by far always stronger characters. What did Voyager have? Janeway, Chakotay, 7 of 9, Harry Kim, Tom Paris, EMH... let's face it, they were all pretty weak. When your EMH is easily the best character of the bunch, you know your show is on the rocks. As for Enterprise... I can't think of one episode I would WANT to watch ever again.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2015, 12:36:54 AM
As for Enterprise... I can't think of one episode I would WANT to watch ever again.

Not even The Forge - Awakening - Kir'Shara?  I'd say those are pretty close to as good as anything done since TNG.  Not sure Voyager ever did anything as good as those.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on March 22, 2015, 08:43:27 AM
Enterprise at it's best was just good.  Even the Mirror episodes, while a decent distraction, lacked any and all subtlety.  At least in the original Mirror Mirror you had Spock.  The DS9 episodes had O'Brien.  Enterprise everyone was just over the top evil.
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Post by: Soguru on March 22, 2015, 08:47:19 AM
The DS9 episodes had O'Brien.
I thought he liked to be called Smiley.  :D see? Just like that.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2015, 10:42:34 AM
I like the Vulcan reawakening, Klingon augments, and Terra Prime episodes better than the Mirror Universe ones.
I do like them, but now I view them more as comedy when re-watching them.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on March 22, 2015, 10:48:10 AM
DS9 explained the TOS Klingons far better in 10 seconds than that multi-episode, Enterprise story arc did.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2015, 10:58:02 AM
DS9 explained the TOS Klingons far better in 10 seconds than that multi-episode, Enterprise story arc did.

But the acting in those Enterprise episodes was fantastic.  Sure there are some pretty big flaws trying to extrapolate what happened into the future so it's not a very good explanation of the TOS Klingons, but the episodes are really good.

Actually thinking about it now, it would make sense that they would try it again, the idea of becoming better warriors would be a pretty powerful incentive, maybe that time it spreads to all Klingons.
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Post by: Soguru on March 22, 2015, 12:34:59 PM
DS9 explained the TOS Klingons far better in 10 seconds than that multi-episode, Enterprise story arc did.
True. Some things are better left unexplained.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on March 22, 2015, 03:30:14 PM
It was different, but I don't think that was a bad thing.  Allowing the utopian Federation to have shades of grey was not a detriment to the franchise.  I also think it had by far the most well rounded cast of the show.  All the other shows put the focus on three or 4 characters.  DS9 not only was good at utilizing the entire cast, but also had a very good supporting cast.
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Post by: Soguru on March 22, 2015, 04:32:01 PM
DS9 just wasn't really Star Trek most of the time.
That's not a bad thing. It took me YEARS to get into it, and when I finally started watching it, I was like... holy shit, this is a great show. I think my first episode(s) was "In Purgatory's Shadow" and "By Inferno's Light". Not the best introductory episodes but there's all kinds of great stuff beforehand to set up the Dominion war as seen at the beginning of season 3 where the Federation wants to sign a peace treaty with the Dominion but Sisko has good reason for his reservations. The whole situation between Dukat, Kira, Garak, Ziyal, Quark, and so on is amazing stuff. They are such powerful and fun characters that are used to their full potential throughout the series.
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Post by: RVR II on March 22, 2015, 05:51:05 PM
DS9 just wasn't really Star Trek most of the time.
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Post by: Soguru on March 22, 2015, 07:30:03 PM
I want to know what he was saying.
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Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2015, 08:59:34 AM
I want to know what he was saying.
It's on one of the blooper reals but I don't remember which one..
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Post by: Soguru on March 23, 2015, 09:45:05 AM
I skip the bajoran episodes when I watch it now. So fucking tedious.
Fair enough, but even those aren't bad episodes. I suppose it's more or less about appreciating the Bajoran culture. I do remember a few great episodes including the ones with the Maquis and another where Kira and the others have to convince a farmer to leave his home.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2015, 09:52:55 AM
Yeah, the one with Kira and the Farmer is a good one.

Other ones I can think of where I've really liked Kira in are the Kai Opaka on the prison planet one and the one where the guy pretends to be a Cardassian war criminal.

Other than those I agree with IM, she gets on my nerves most of the time.
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Post by: Soguru on March 23, 2015, 11:38:59 AM
the one where the guy pretends to be a Cardassian war criminal.
Yes, Duet was fantastic. Kira learned something about herself, but more importantly, about the Cardassians. At the beginning of the episode, she and most Bajorans were of the 'tude that "The only good Cardassian is a dead Cardassian". By the end... her attitude, her beliefs about the Cardassians have been turned upside down. She is definitely a different person at the end of the season than she was when the Federation took over DS9. This sort of character arc... I don't think you ever found that sort of thing in Voyager or Enterprise.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on March 23, 2015, 03:51:10 PM
I think the Bajoran episodes worked well.  Kai Winn was pretty solid antagonist, and when the episdoe focused on Kira it was usually a pretty good episode.
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Post by: Sideswipe on March 23, 2015, 04:17:44 PM
Can we all agree that Voyager gave us the worst Star Trek episodes?
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Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2015, 04:24:05 PM
Can we all agree that Voyager gave us the worst Star Trek episodes?
I'll make that determination after I watch Enterprise :scared:
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Post by: Soguru on March 23, 2015, 04:43:49 PM
Oh, by the way, Enterprise has this really great finale... called "These are the voyages...", oh yeah, it's a great episode. You're gonna LOVE it.  ;D

Can we all agree that Voyager gave us the worst Star Trek episodes?
Voyager... and Enterprise. Don't forget episodes like "One night in sick bay" and "These are the Voyages". But to be perfectly fair, DS9 did give us "Profit and Lace". That one was a rotten apple among fine, juicy red apples.
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Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2015, 04:57:52 PM
Oh, by the way, Enterprise has this really great finale... called "These are the voyages...", oh yeah, it's a great episode. You're gonna LOVE it.  ;D

Of course I will... :-X
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2015, 06:45:52 PM
Oh, by the way, Enterprise has this really great finale... called "These are the voyages...", oh yeah, it's a great episode. You're gonna LOVE it.  ;D

Of course I will... :-X

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't ever watch that episode, it is a big FU to both Enterprise and TNG fans.

Although it can easily be retconned out of existence by simply being thought of as an inaccurate holodeck simulation, it was hundreds of years later after all.  But even then that only fixes it as far as Enterprise is concerned, it still fucks with a good TNG episode.

And even then, it's not as bad as Threshold from Voyager, uhhgggggg...   Or that one on DS9 when they go to Risa and Worf becomes a terrorist, WTF was that?

Also, One Night In Sickbay is not as bad as dozens of horrible Voyager episodes....  And since we were talking character development earlier, Voyager was the worst with that, all but 2, maybe 3 of the crew were pretty much unchanged since episode 1.

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Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2015, 06:48:25 PM
Oh crap! :speechless:
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2015, 06:55:11 PM
Oh crap! :speechless:

When you watch Enterprise just stop at the 2nd to last one, Terra Prime, that has a pretty good ending that fits fine as an end to the series.  If you really want to know what the finale is about listen to the Treknologic podcast for that episode:

TNL 146: http://www.treknologic.com/?p=2355

They go nuts over how big an FU the show is to the fans, and it's quite hilarious.
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Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2015, 07:50:49 PM
Noted :o
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Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2015, 08:14:54 PM
Oh, by the way, Enterprise has this really great finale... called "These are the voyages...", oh yeah, it's a great episode. You're gonna LOVE it.  ;D

Of course I will... :-X

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't ever watch that episode, it is a big FU to both Enterprise and TNG fans.

Although it can easily be retconned out of existence by simply being thought of as an inaccurate holodeck simulation, it was hundreds of years later after all.  But even then that only fixes it as far as Enterprise is concerned, it still fucks with a good TNG episode.

And even then, it's not as bad as Threshold from Voyager, uhhgggggg...   Or that one on DS9 when they go to Risa and Worf becomes a terrorist, WTF was that?

That whole Worf/Dax thing so didn't work.  At all.
Yeah I kinda agree there..
Shame they killed off Jadzia at the end of season 6.. They could've just broke up :-\
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Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2015, 08:43:29 PM
Nah, I liked Ezri. She was a good addition to the show at the end.
Well she could have been added as Jadzia's cousin maybe er... well..
Yeah, I would have made a lousy writer :-[
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on March 23, 2015, 09:05:58 PM
Can we all agree that Voyager gave us the worst Star Trek episodes?

I don't know.  Enterprise has boring totally irredeemable crap like "Dear Doctor", "These are the Voyages", and "A Night in Sickbay". 

Voyager's bad episodes like "Threshold" easily qualify as hilariously bad.

Nah, I liked Ezri. She was a good addition to the show at the end.

Ezri was OK.  She suffered a lot for only getting one season to integrate into the cast.  Was more like half a season given the show dedicated nearly half the final season to the final arc.
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Post by: Soguru on March 24, 2015, 08:34:21 AM
I also thought Ezri was a lot more cute than Jadzia.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 24, 2015, 09:28:46 AM
Voyager's bad episodes like "Threshold" easily qualify as hilariously bad.

NO NO NO...  Nothing funny about that episode, massive stupidity on every level.  Pretty infuriating that a science fiction show would portray evolution like that.


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Ezri was OK.  She suffered a lot for only getting one season to integrate into the cast.  Was more like half a season given the show dedicated nearly half the final season to the final arc.

Another drawn out arc that had me yelling "get on with it!".  And the nauseating Dukat - Kai Winn stuff.  Arrrrrggggghhhh...
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Post by: RVR II on March 24, 2015, 09:52:17 AM
And the nauseating Dukat - Kai Winn stuff.  Arrrrrggggghhhh...
Yeah that really g-nawed at me :grr:
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Post by: Soguru on March 24, 2015, 04:12:24 PM
And the nauseating Dukat - Kai Winn stuff.  Arrrrrggggghhhh...
I liked it because it proved to Kai Winn that she was basically Eva Braun. Also, Dukat looking more humanoid was foreshadowed in "Far Beyond the Stars". That was my theory anyway.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on April 06, 2015, 08:17:52 PM
I have been rewatching Battlestar Galactica, and hearing about Ronald Moore's time on Voyager, I see now what he did...

He quite literally left Trek and went to make his own Science Fiction show about a ship on it's own...

...with blackjack
(http://i.imgur.com/MUEgkJu.jpg)

and hookers.
(http://i.imgur.com/QTlcnIi.jpg)
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 06, 2015, 08:40:35 PM
It went to some pretty dark places, especially starting in season 3.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on April 06, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
I found that show unbearably depressing.

I liked it.  And it really did toss a spotlight on pretty much everything wrong with Voyager.  It got a little silly with some of the subplots at the end, but I always find it an enjoyable watch.  Really like that there's so few filler episodes too.
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 06, 2015, 08:43:08 PM
It helps when you dont have to do 26 episodes per season.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on April 06, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
It helps when you dont have to do 26 episodes per season.

True, they were forced to use their time wisely.
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 06, 2015, 09:18:08 PM
OMG! Something else that Imrahil doesn't like! He enjoys pissing on things from a great height!

I loved BSG, absolutely thought it was a revelation in sci-fi, even as the original creator Glen A. Larson was a Mormon, and it had some Mormon crap in there... it was still good!

I think that the guys made something really good. But, I think they may be written out. Everything they have tried to do since has been pretty weak tea. My wife likes that Scottish show with the Scots and the time traveling chick.... I do not find it that appealing.

Although the acting is fine... you know... a lot of your Scots.... very nice.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 06, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
I found that show unbearably depressing.

I liked it.  And it really did toss a spotlight on pretty much everything wrong with Voyager.  It got a little silly with some of the subplots at the end, but I always find it an enjoyable watch.  Really like that there's so few filler episodes too.

The lack of filler was a bonus.   Listening to the podcasts Moore did during the series it's amazing they were able to tie any of it all together at the end.  They did so many thing just because it sounded cool in the writers room at the time each episode was written...

The characters and the acting were what I loved about BSG, the changes in the characters seemed like natural progressions, that helps a lot for any series when there are issues with the plot.  Voyager was a mess when it came to consistency in the characters, so you couldn't help but pick apart all the crappy plots they had.

I've been holding off re-watching BSG again since the Blu-Ray first came out and I re-watched 3/4 of the episodes, starting to be long enough I might have forgotten a few things and can rediscover them...  I am doing that with LOST also, bought the series on Blu-Ray but have only watched some of the special features, that was so convoluted I probably don't have to wait as long to re-discover stuff in that...
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Post by: BathTub on April 06, 2015, 09:36:28 PM
It started off fantastic, but it became very obvious they had no clue where they were going, and the end was just shit.
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 06, 2015, 09:45:07 PM
It started off fantastic, but it became very obvious they had no clue where they were going, and the end was just shit.

Well, I can't argue with that... it did seem to wander a bit. "There are 12 models.... and they have a PLAN!" Do they? Because I am not seeing a plan...

LOL! It wandered around for a while and the narrative lost focus, certainly. But I think it got back on course, once they got to earth. I mean, it wasn't as bad as LOST!

I loved the actors in BSG, really fine, and some very good writing.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 06, 2015, 09:45:42 PM
It started off fantastic, but it became very obvious they had no clue where they were going, and the end was just shit.

You did have to adjust your suspension of disbelief upwards during the run, it started out as fairly hard science fiction, but did drift more into science fantasy.  Sort of a star trek to star wars drift.  ;D
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 06, 2015, 09:53:31 PM
Yeah, I refer to Katie Sackhoffs character in season 4 as Starbuck the White.
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 06, 2015, 09:58:05 PM
Yeah, I agree with that, obviously, I mean, there was a lot of religious undertones to the story, I grant that.

And we were discussingg angels and devils or something at the end there, I think.... (Was Baltar a devil was 6 an angel?) I wouldn't say Star Wars because on its worse day... the writing and acting was better than any Star Wars film, but I do agree with you Marty, it went into a fantasy area there.

But, I still love it. When the Galactica jumps into atmosphere to retrieve the colonists from the prison world, and the Vipers swoop in to blow open the POW gates, I have to admit, I stand up and cheer everytime!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 06, 2015, 10:47:27 PM
But, I still love it. When the Galactica jumps into atmosphere to retrieve the colonists from the prison world, and the Vipers swoop in to blow open the POW gates, I have to admit, I stand up and cheer everytime!

That scene of Galactica jumping into the atmosphere and dropping like a brick is one of my all time favorite science fiction scenes, including from movies.

I actually like the ending, but I can understand if people didn't, it was a mostly fantasy ending, so different from how things started out.

The invisible Baltar and 6 were on the same side as far as I could tell, along with zombie Starbuck.
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 06, 2015, 11:56:24 PM
Well they weren't puppets or CGI characters so I know where you might get confused, Imrahil. There were no elves or hobbits, but Edward James Almos was simply brilliant and ate every other Starship captain's lunch.

"Galactica, Actual!"

Fucking guy was called before the UN council on diversity and tolerance because of his role in that show. Not a lot of actors get that honor. At it's height it was pulling in "Mad-Men" and "Game of Thrones" numbers for the frickin' sci-fi channel. They've never had numbers like that since.

So if you are so smart, why aren't you rich? It's a great show, sit down, junior....
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 07, 2015, 12:17:56 AM

The characters and the acting were what I loved about BSG, the changes in the characters seemed like natural progressions, that helps a lot for any series when there are issues with the plot.

Which of the characters did you find likeable? Because I found them all to be not.

All?  Did you watch the entire series or just bits an pieces?

And I don't think I used "likeable", they were interesting and complex, sometimes likeable sometimes not, some more likeable and others less.  If I had to choose the ones that spent more time on the "likeable" side I'd say Adama and Roslin, Athena, Anders, chief Tyrol,  Agathon.     There were a few really unlikeable main characters, and a lot of unlikeable bit players, but that was the tone of the show, blurry lines between villains and heros, good and evil....
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 07, 2015, 12:19:23 AM
Well put, Marty. I agree...
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Post by: RoninFox on April 07, 2015, 05:18:10 AM
I liked that the characters seemed like people, not ideals. Also, by the end of the series, I enjoyed the fantasy/religious elements taking over.

Not everyone has to agree, but its still one of my favorite shows of all time.
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Post by: RVR II on April 07, 2015, 06:30:27 AM
I just couldn't get into the SciFi version of BSG.. :-\
The original I love to this day, and I only recently learned that Richard Hatch (Apollo) was trying to resurrect the original series ..
https://www.youtube.com/v/_s8heJPX8xk
From Wiki
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Battlestar Galactica revival attempt

For many years, Hatch attempted to revive Battlestar Galactica. In the 1990s, he began writing novels based on the series, and also wrote, co-directed and executive-produced a trailer called The Second Coming in the hopes of enticing Universal Studios (the rights holders for the franchise) into producing a new series that would have been a direct continuation of the original 1978 series (ignoring the events of the failed spin-off Galactica 1980, in which Hatch did not appear). Original actors John Colicos (Baltar), Terry Carter (Col. Tigh) and Jack Stauffer (Bojay) appeared in the trailer with Hatch. Hatch also believed that he could persuade original co-star Dirk Benedict to return and play Starbuck.

Although the trailer won acclaim at science-fiction conventions, Universal was not interested in Hatch's vision to revive Battlestar Galactica, and instead opted for a remake rather than the sequel for which Hatch had campaigned. Hatch (who claimed to have remortgaged his house to make the trailer) was bitterly disappointed by this turn of events and was highly critical of the prospective new series on his web site.
Hatch at Gatecon 2005

In 2004, he stated to Sci-Fi Pulse that he had felt resentment over the failure of his planned Galactica continuation and was left "exhausted and sick... I had, over the past several years, bonded deeply with the original characters and story... writing the novels and the comic books and really campaigning to bring back the show".
But eventually he became part of Ronald D. Moore's version..
I guess I would have liked to have seen some of the original actors brought in and the time line not changed so much because to me it was just a completely different setup and that lost me :-\
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Post by: RoninFox on April 07, 2015, 06:58:17 AM
It was very cool to see Hatch come onto the new series, and he was incredible in the role of Tom Zerek. His scenes with Jaime Bamber were always fun to watch. I loved it when Tom would get sarcastic with Apollo about his name.
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 07, 2015, 08:14:22 AM
It was interesting to me hearing what Ronald D. Moore had to say about him and his character.  How he was against the remake and the character they wrote for him was the most outspoken person in the fleet to call out Adama and Roslin on their bullshit.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 07, 2015, 09:01:22 AM

And I don't think I used "likeable", they were interesting and complex, sometimes likeable sometimes not, some more likeable and others less.  If I had to choose the ones that spent more time on the "likeable" side I'd say Adama and Roslin, Athena, Anders, chief Tyrol,  Agathon.     There were a few really unlikeable main characters, and a lot of unlikeable bit players, but that was the tone of the show, blurry lines between villains and heros, good and evil....

I know you didn't say "likeable".  I read what you wrote. I assumed if you loved a character you had to like them in some way.  Maybe that's my mistake.

So you never found scenes/episodes where the characters I listed were likeable?  I could find a few times even Starbuck was likeable. 

I did use "characters", plural, thinking about it I guess I love the collection of characters as a hole far more than any individual.  I tend to look at things that way, how everything fits together.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 07, 2015, 10:31:42 AM
That's not what I asked.  You couldn't find moments here and there where the main characters were likeable? 

I'll give you Apollo not having many good moments, he was mostly insufferable throughout the series.  He was better when he was in command of the Pegasus but that wasn't many episodes, and in that one first season episode where they took that ore rich moon from the cyclons.

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Post by: jonalame on April 07, 2015, 02:13:35 PM
I loved Gaius Baltar.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on April 07, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
I knew which characters we were *supposed* to like. I just didn't.  Roslin annoyed the hell out of me, Adama seemed like a cock, Apollo was a whiny, entitled shit, Starbuck was kind of a caricature, Athena was just awful.

I liked the Chief, I guess, I'd say that.  Karl annoyed me because of the stupid shit he did, but I suppose as a character he wasn't annoying.

Stupid shit he did?  The weird thing about Karl is upon a rewatch, everything he does is right.  Everything works out.  For a show with lots of grey areas, he's pretty much the 100% good guy.
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Post by: RVR II on April 07, 2015, 02:43:05 PM
After reading through these comments about the revised BSG, I may give it another go and add it to my Netflix queue.. :-\
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Post by: RVR II on April 07, 2015, 02:43:45 PM
:D :D :D
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/Sausage-Samba_zpseq4ofikx.gif) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/Sausage-Samba_zpseq4ofikx.gif.html)
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on April 07, 2015, 02:43:59 PM
After reading through these comments about the revised BSG, I may give it another go and add it to my Netflix queue.. :-\

I think it was taken off Netflix months ago.
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Post by: RVR II on April 07, 2015, 02:44:49 PM
After reading through these comments about the revised BSG, I may give it another go and add it to my Netflix queue.. :-\

I think it was taken off Netflix months ago.
I just checked.. all 5 er 6 (?) seasons are listed though I have not added them as of yet :o
http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Battlestar-Galactica/70136119?strkid=2076548992_0_0&strackid=6babd03403e2086e_0_srl&trkid=222336
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 07, 2015, 03:19:03 PM
Wow, DVDs, old school Netflix.....  ;D

I thought Amazon prime still had it but it seems to be gone from there as well, so it's gone from subscription streaming for some reason.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on April 07, 2015, 04:17:39 PM
After reading through these comments about the revised BSG, I may give it another go and add it to my Netflix queue.. :-\

I think it was taken off Netflix months ago.
I just checked.. all 5 er 6 (?) seasons are listed though I have not added them as of yet :o
http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Battlestar-Galactica/70136119?strkid=2076548992_0_0&strackid=6babd03403e2086e_0_srl&trkid=222336

Just make sure the first disk of season 1 is the miniseries, and not the start of the show proper, and when you get to Season 4, make sure the first disk is the movie, "Razor".

And make sure none of the disks are "The Plan".
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Post by: RVR II on April 07, 2015, 04:17:57 PM
Wow, DVDs, old school Netflix.....  ;D
Well they only have the SyFy BSG in Blu-Ray which will take up valuable storage space so I may hold off on them :-\
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 07, 2015, 04:21:32 PM
Wow, DVDs, old school Netflix.....  ;D
Well they only have the SyFy BSG in Blu-Ray which will take up valuable storage space so I may hold off on them :-\

Strange that they don't have any DVDs of it.  When I got the Blu-Ray set I loaned out my DVD set, but never got it back...
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Post by: RVR II on April 07, 2015, 04:23:22 PM
Wow, DVDs, old school Netflix.....  ;D
Well they only have the SyFy BSG in Blu-Ray which will take up valuable storage space so I may hold off on them :-\

Strange that they don't have any DVDs of it.  When I got the Blu-Ray set I loaned out my DVD set, but never got it back...
Yeah I was able to add all the seasons to my queue and all but season 4 were blu-ray only with no DVD option ???
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 07, 2015, 04:47:07 PM
Lets get somewhat back on topic.  Here is the question

(https://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/uss-enterprise-ncc-1701-wallpaper.jpg)

VS

(https://henryherz.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/battlestargalactica.jpg?w=820)

ALL OUT COMBAT!  WHO WINS?

Also, I realize I chose an original vs a reboot when I could have chosen a reboot vs a reboot, but fuck JJ Abrams!
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Post by: RVR II on April 07, 2015, 05:05:10 PM
Well based on this scale with the Real Original Battlestar Galactica, I'd have to say..
BSG FTW :highfive:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/Battlestar%20002_zpsfesdgsbk.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/Battlestar%20002_zpsfesdgsbk.jpg.html)
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 07, 2015, 05:18:40 PM
Well based on this scale with the Real Original Battlestar Galactica, I'd have to say..
BSG FTW :highfive:

Bigger doesnt mean better!  Also, Ive seen scalings on the old BSG that put it at 600m, which would be smaller than the Galaxy class.
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Post by: RVR II on April 07, 2015, 05:26:22 PM
Well based on this scale with the Real Original Battlestar Galactica, I'd have to say..
BSG FTW :highfive:

Bigger doesnt mean better!  Also, Ive seen scalings on the old BSG that put it at 600m, which would be smaller than the Galaxy class.
Now don't you start pickin an argument like you are with Dan in the Politics thread >:( I'll have none of that
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on April 07, 2015, 05:53:02 PM
Well based on this scale with the Real Original Battlestar Galactica, I'd have to say..
BSG FTW :highfive:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/Battlestar%20002_zpsfesdgsbk.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/Battlestar%20002_zpsfesdgsbk.jpg.html)

You'd think nerds could figure out the Galactica's exact size given we routinely see the vipers coming out of the launch tubes and landing on the landing deck. 

As for who would win in a fight, I'd have to go with the Enterprise.  Shields and all that, though Galactica can certainly take a pounding.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 07, 2015, 05:55:56 PM
Haven't we done that battle already.  Enterprise wins, energy weapons vs. projectiles.   Photon torpedoes (matter-antimatter explosives) vs. nukes.  Being able to go to warp when ever they want, no waiting for the FTL to spin up.  Variable faster than light travel, able to maneuver at warp vs. needing to set a jump point and jump there.

Galactica was damaged by a single nuke, a volley of photon torpedoes would finish her.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 07, 2015, 05:58:43 PM
Well based on this scale with the Real Original Battlestar Galactica, I'd have to say..
BSG FTW :highfive:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/Battlestar%20002_zpsfesdgsbk.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/Battlestar%20002_zpsfesdgsbk.jpg.html)

You'd think nerds could figure out the Galactica's exact size given we routinely see the vipers coming out of the launch tubes and landing on the landing deck. 

As for who would win in a fight, I'd have to go with the Enterprise.  Shields and all that, though Galactica can certainly take a pounding.

I forgot about shields...

And that picture can't be correct, a viper would barely fit in the Enterprise shuttle bay at that scale...
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 07, 2015, 06:12:02 PM
Haven't we done that battle already.  Enterprise wins, energy weapons vs. projectiles.   Photon torpedoes (matter-antimatter explosives) vs. nukes.  Being able to go to warp when ever they want, no waiting for the FTL to spin up.  Variable faster than light travel, able to maneuver at warp vs. needing to set a jump point and jump there.

Galactica was damaged by a single nuke, a volley of photon torpedoes would finish her.

Have we?  I never saw that thread.  Regardless, I agree.  Enterprise all the way.
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Post by: RVR II on April 07, 2015, 06:13:51 PM
Haven't we done that battle already.  Enterprise wins, energy weapons vs. projectiles.   Photon torpedoes (matter-antimatter explosives) vs. nukes.  Being able to go to warp when ever they want, no waiting for the FTL to spin up.  Variable faster than light travel, able to maneuver at warp vs. needing to set a jump point and jump there.

Galactica was damaged by a single nuke, a volley of photon torpedoes would finish her.
Nuh Uhh.. Be-be-because the Galactica has a shield that stopped a nuclear war with the Eastern Alliance! Member that huh? Huh?? :o
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 07, 2015, 06:23:07 PM
No way!  No shields for you!
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Post by: RVR II on April 07, 2015, 06:31:41 PM
No way!  No shields for you!
Yeah Huhh!! I'ma Tellin! :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 07, 2015, 06:33:27 PM
Haven't we done that battle already.  Enterprise wins, energy weapons vs. projectiles.   Photon torpedoes (matter-antimatter explosives) vs. nukes.  Being able to go to warp when ever they want, no waiting for the FTL to spin up.  Variable faster than light travel, able to maneuver at warp vs. needing to set a jump point and jump there.

Galactica was damaged by a single nuke, a volley of photon torpedoes would finish her.
Nuh Uhh.. Be-be-because the Galactica has a shield that stopped a nuclear war with the Eastern Alliance! Member that huh? Huh?? :o

They had a shield for that?  I thought they just shot down the incoming nukes.

Granted I don't remember those late season episodes all that well, the series got so bad even when re-watching it streaming I rarely go past mid-season.  Just remembered the ship of lights, ugggh, and people complain about the "angels" in the remake......

The original series did have energy cannons of some kind, so that would give Galactica more of a chance, not sure if vipers would be much help, Enterprise could cruse around at warp one taking them all out like they were moving in slow motion.
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 08, 2015, 04:31:32 PM
The RDM BSG doesnt have any energy shield or weapons or a tractor beam.  Enterprise superior, Galactica inferior!
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Post by: BathTub on April 08, 2015, 07:41:44 PM
Yeah are people really pretending there is a fair fight here? It's very different levels of tech. Outside of FTL drives BSG wasn't exactly making use of advanced technology on it's ship. Which was kind of the point really.
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Post by: RoninFox on April 09, 2015, 04:20:40 AM
Let us also keep in mind the fact that the Enterprise crew wouldn't want to attack an unknown ship full of humans, and even if Adama ordered an attack for some reason Picard would likely just act defensively unless others were also in danger, confident the shields would keep them safe.
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 09, 2015, 04:28:18 AM
Well, Adama didn't have shields and it was established that nuclear weapons were extremely dangerous and that supposed human transport had a radiological alarm, so... I mean you have to weigh the needs of the many, etc... I realize that is a Star Trek quote but it was never more poignant than in BSG.
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 09, 2015, 05:05:50 AM
Haven't we done that battle already.  Enterprise wins, energy weapons vs. projectiles.   Photon torpedoes (matter-antimatter explosives) vs. nukes.  Being able to go to warp when ever they want, no waiting for the FTL to spin up.  Variable faster than light travel, able to maneuver at warp vs. needing to set a jump point and jump there.

Galactica was damaged by a single nuke, a volley of photon torpedoes would finish her.

Marty is right. It's like arguing who would win; Superman vs. Hulk... (hint: Batman), or Aslan vs. Gandalf... silly!

Like Stan Lee always said, "Whenever we had cross-over events; like Spiderman vs. Batman; we would always leave the outcome open, so that the fans wouldn't be offended..." (hint: Batman would win...)

These are separate Universes created by different writers. Both Trek and BSG are great in their own ways! (Hint: Batman).
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 09, 2015, 06:38:35 AM
Round 2...Fight!

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs8/i/2005/357/3/0/Romulan_Warbird_by_Ashkihyena.jpg)

VS

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/clonearmy/images/9/95/Imperial-class_Star_Destroyer_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width/800?cb=20100826173750)
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 09, 2015, 06:42:11 AM
Swipe, obviously, Batman would win....
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Post by: RoninFox on April 09, 2015, 06:43:16 AM
The Star Destroyer would be completely dumfounded as "No ship that small has a cloaking device!"
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 09, 2015, 06:45:35 AM
@Ronin, LOL! Hilarious! Still, Batman would kick both their asses.
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Post by: RVR II on April 09, 2015, 06:45:41 AM
The Star Destroyer would be completely dumfounded as "No ship that small has a cloaking device!"
LIKE!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 09, 2015, 08:37:02 AM
The Star Destroyer would be completely dumfounded as "No ship that small has a cloaking device!"

You and others also like this.

 ;D
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 09, 2015, 10:00:55 AM
The Star Destroyer would be completely dumfounded as "No ship that small has a cloaking device!"

LIKE!
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 13, 2015, 06:33:27 AM
ROUND THREE...  FIGHT!

(http://www.dan-dare.org/FreeFun/Images/CartoonsMoviesTV/StarTrekWallpaper9800.jpg)

VS

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/126/2/4/normandy_me3_by_ts_shifter-d3fpn6q.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on April 13, 2015, 06:44:27 AM
Well I know nothing about either ship so.. I dunno :o
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Post by: RVR II on April 13, 2015, 08:12:41 AM
NCC-1701 D vs a Cylon Basestar :o
https://www.youtube.com/v/efgDdSWDg0g
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 13, 2015, 08:19:32 AM
TL;DW
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on April 13, 2015, 08:24:28 AM
ROUND THREE...  FIGHT!

(http://www.dan-dare.org/FreeFun/Images/CartoonsMoviesTV/StarTrekWallpaper9800.jpg)

VS

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/126/2/4/normandy_me3_by_ts_shifter-d3fpn6q.jpg)
Normandy, but it's mostly because any ship crewed by these people...

(http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/5b44b7b5635bb13c79da0ac22661c8acc9b2ff26.jpg)

would find some way to get their ass kicked.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 13, 2015, 08:33:31 AM
That's some awesome CGI in that Youtube video.  It is way too long so mostly boring, I watched 30 seconds, skipped ahead, watched 30 seconds, rinse, repeat...
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Post by: RVR II on April 13, 2015, 08:38:58 AM
That's some awesome CGI in that Youtube video.  It is way too long so mostly boring, I watched 30 seconds, skipped ahead, watched 30 seconds, rinse, repeat...
Yeah it's missing some Picard orders, some Apollo and Starbuck bickering, a Borg assimilation maybe, and perhaps a few "BY YOUR COMMAND' Cylon responses :P
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 13, 2015, 08:58:08 AM
Cut to the chase, who won?
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Post by: RVR II on April 13, 2015, 09:00:13 AM
Cut to the chase, who won?
NCC1701 D and Starfleet
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 13, 2015, 09:15:36 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/pPlChcE.png)
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Post by: RVR II on April 13, 2015, 09:39:37 AM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/insp_nomad_preview.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/insp_nomad_preview.jpg.html)
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Post by: RVR II on April 19, 2015, 12:31:15 PM
OK so friggin ahh ...

I've put this off long enough!
I've decided to watch Enterprise for the first time ever in its 4 season entirety starting tonight :scared:
I just finished watching all 11 seasons of MST3k so I figured what the hell, might as well delve into it and give periodic reviews of the series here.
I plan to watch an average of 2-4 episodes per night (or more if time allows) so stay tuned :speechless:
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Post by: RVR II on April 19, 2015, 04:02:19 PM
Ok right off the bat.. That Enterprise intro theme song/music sux! :gouge:
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 19, 2015, 04:13:45 PM
It doesnt bother me.  Although I am not a fan of the rearrangement they did for the 3rd/4th seasons.
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Post by: RVR II on April 19, 2015, 04:19:39 PM
It doesnt bother me.  Although I am not a fan of the rearrangement they did for the 3rd/4th seasons.
Oh it changed ??? Looking forward to hearing that version too :-X
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 19, 2015, 04:20:55 PM
I like the picture montage, and don't have feelings for or against the theme.  Don't know why people get so worked up over it, especially when watching on video, just hit the fast forward button...
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Post by: RVR II on April 19, 2015, 04:34:22 PM
I like the picture montage, and don't have feelings for or against the theme.  Don't know why people get so worked up over it, especially when watching on video, just hit the fast forward button...
Yeah the picture theme was alright but the music just didn't fit IMO..

I see what you all are referring to with Captain 'Quantum Leap' Archer's temperament.. It's pretty annoying already.. T'Pal and the doctor are pretty cool characters so far.
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Post by: Colonel_Mustard on April 19, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
As far as the opening sequence for Star Trek: Enterprise. I can take or leave the song, but I do like the pictures associated with it.  Loved, Loved, Loved the opening of Star Trek: Enterprise two part episode "In A Mirror Darkly".  Another venture into the mirror universe and we see the Gorn again..
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Post by: RVR II on April 19, 2015, 06:57:08 PM
Well I've watched the pilot and the next 2 episodes of Season 1 and the bickering amongst the crew so far is pretty annoying, like the distrust of Vulcans ??? ..
I hope that mellows out soon :-\
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 19, 2015, 07:19:10 PM
The fist few episodes after the pilot arent great.  It picks up at "The Andorian Incident".
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 19, 2015, 07:28:49 PM
The Andorian Incident is the first good one, and we meet Shran.

#5 does have the Klingon's laughing at Trip....
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 20, 2015, 05:18:33 AM
(https://rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/defiant4pic.jpg)

VS

(http://tech.ava360.com/uploads/thumbs/5e6c1dbed-1.jpg)
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Post by: RoninFox on April 20, 2015, 05:23:07 AM
The cloak will be a huge tactical advantage, and the Defiant is more maneuverable. Gotta go with that tough little ship on this one.
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Post by: RVR II on April 20, 2015, 06:34:14 AM
The cloak will be a huge tactical advantage, and the Defiant is more maneuverable. Gotta go with that tough little ship on this one.
Yeah I have to agree.. The MF maybe the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy but she can't repel Defiant-power of that magnitude :o
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 20, 2015, 08:26:14 AM
Quantum torpedoes. 
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 20, 2015, 08:40:33 AM
Quantum torpedoes.

That name always gets on my nerves..... 
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 20, 2015, 08:43:34 AM
It sounds cool, thats all that matters.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Rainbow Dash on April 21, 2015, 07:49:13 PM
(https://rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/defiant4pic.jpg)

VS

(http://tech.ava360.com/uploads/thumbs/5e6c1dbed-1.jpg)

Watch this video starting at the 1:15 mark.  Pretty much says all you need to know about why The Defiant would decimate the Falcon.

http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/d558.php
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 22, 2015, 04:23:05 AM
I admit, I knew posting that it was not at all a fair fight but I was curious if anyone would try and defend the Falcon and what reasons they would give.
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Post by: RVR II on April 22, 2015, 04:54:51 AM
I admit, I knew posting that it was not at all a fair fight but I was curious if anyone would try and defend the Falcon and what reasons they would give.
Let the Wookie win :-X
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Post by: RoninFox on April 22, 2015, 04:58:24 AM
I admit, I knew posting that it was not at all a fair fight but I was curious if anyone would try and defend the Falcon and what reasons they would give.

Don't worry, Han knows some maneuvers.
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 22, 2015, 05:18:58 AM
Other than drifting slightly to the left?
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Post by: RoninFox on April 22, 2015, 06:27:43 AM
Well...he's not where he was, that oughta confuse 'em.
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 22, 2015, 07:03:28 AM
Stormtroopers aim the guns, so that might be a legitimate strategy against them. 
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Post by: RVR II on April 22, 2015, 05:10:40 PM
Ok I just finished watching season 1 of Enterprise and here's a few of my thoughts..

It's cool to see some familiar faces:

The guy who plays the Ferengi Brunt from the FCA as a blue alien thing..
René Auberjonois (OTTO) in 1 episode
and a few others (?)..

It had it's moments but the 2 engineers; the Brit and Tex as I call them and the situations they kept getting into.. Their seemingly constant bickering was a bit annoying >:(

So far they seemed ill-equipped for the confrontations they came up against till the last episode where they get help from a dead crewman from the future ???

So this series was to lead up to the Original series or how the original series got its start er something?? mmm'kay ::)

Oh well on to season 2..
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 22, 2015, 07:12:24 PM
So this series was to lead up to the Original series or how the original series got its start er something?? mmm'kay ::)

Nope, by the end of Enterprise it's still 100 years before "The Cage".

2155 for the end of season 4, The Cage takes place in 2254, Where No Man Has Gone Before is 2264, Encounter At Farpoint is 2364.
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Post by: RVR II on April 22, 2015, 07:35:24 PM
Oh ok.. I am just trying to put things into perspective as I watch this series which is kinda difficult :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 22, 2015, 07:53:23 PM
Those dates are mostly pieced together from various times mentioned and the few actual dates given, so give or take 20 years...  They gave hard dates in Enterprise, and a few times in TNG, so the TOS dates are extrapolated.

For some reason they didn't want to pin down actual dates in the original series, that's why they came up with the whole stardate thing.

So, what did you think of the Andorians?  I had to look up why they were not in the other modern series, since they were one of the best aspects of Enterprise, there doesn't seem to be a good explanation, either Berman thinking they were to silly looking or the makeup not looking good enough. 
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Post by: RVR II on April 22, 2015, 08:03:30 PM
So, what did you think of the Andorians?  I had to look up why they were not in the other modern series, since they were one of the best aspects of Enterprise, there doesn't seem to be a good explanation, either Berman thinking they were to silly looking or the makeup not looking good enough.
Well they were like blue martians with attitudes :P
An odd race that I couldn't really tell if they were friend or foe, like most of the other races in season 1 :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 22, 2015, 09:07:14 PM
So, what did you think of the Andorians?  I had to look up why they were not in the other modern series, since they were one of the best aspects of Enterprise, there doesn't seem to be a good explanation, either Berman thinking they were to silly looking or the makeup not looking good enough.
Well they were like blue martians with attitudes :P
An odd race that I couldn't really tell if they were friend or foe, like most of the other races in season 1 :o

Yeah, I guess Shran doesn't reach full awesomeness until a few more times showing up in the series.
He was supposed to join the Enterprise crew if they had gotten a 5th season, it sucks we didn't get to see that.
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 22, 2015, 09:08:49 PM
René Auberjonois (OTTO) in 1 episode

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/0/09/Otto_Mann.png/revision/latest?cb=20130930205930)??

Were you drunk when you made this post??

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Post by: RVR II on April 23, 2015, 06:15:57 AM
Um.. no.. Why ???
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Post by: RoninFox on April 23, 2015, 06:29:49 AM
Psst, his name is Odo, not Otto.
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Post by: RVR II on April 23, 2015, 06:35:52 AM
Psst, his name is Odo, not Otto.
ooohh... Well watching all of season 1 in a few days pretty much, I was jotting stuff down for review and made a typographical errer there :P
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 23, 2015, 09:28:59 AM
Psst, his name is Odo, not Otto.
ooohh... Well watching all of season 1 in a few days pretty much, I was jotting stuff down for review and made a typographical errer there :P

Funny, I knew the actors name, and auto-corrected your typo in my head so didn't notice it until it was pointed out.
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Post by: RVR II on April 23, 2015, 09:36:44 AM
Psst, his name is Odo, not Otto.
ooohh... Well watching all of season 1 in a few days pretty much, I was jotting stuff down for review and made a typographical errer there :P

Funny, I knew the actors name, and auto-corrected your typo in my head so didn't notice it until it was pointed out.
I think I was thinking of OXXO which is a Mexican convenient store chain..
Not sure why ???
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 23, 2015, 01:08:55 PM
They are getting really cool X-Ray images of the 11 foot studio model.

http://blog.nasm.si.edu/restoration/inside-star-trek-enterprise/

Still no word on just what they are going to do as far as restoring it.  Since all of the original lighting was replaced in the 70s, and then the crappy paint job done in the 90s, there are big decisions to be made between conservation and restoration....

They have brought in some really good people as consultants, so the fiasco of the crappy paint job shouldn't happen again, the problem is the museum might view the crappy paint job as part of the models history and want to preserve it....  I hope they don't and restore it to the color it was when being used in the studio.  And since the original incandescent bulbs were replaced with florescents in the 70s they should just go ahead an replace those with LEDs. 
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Post by: RVR II on April 25, 2015, 07:00:17 PM
Just wrapped up season 2 of Enterprise.. Still getting their asses kicked I see..

A couple former Klingon actors, General Martok and Gowron and the actor that played the Romulan Tomalak played some new roles in a couple episodes :o

Speaking of episodes.. What's the deal with the Duras family being brought up already (before the Original series) ???
Oh and I thought noone ever escaped from Rura Penthe before but somehow Captain Archer did and I guess that was left out of the history books ::)
And the Borg being found on Earth trying to tie it in with Zefram Cochrane's warp flight?? Lame!  :-X
And as for time travel in several of the episodes so far ... *face palm* :grr:
Have I mentioned T'Pau is Hawt?? :P

On to season 3 tomorrow..
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 25, 2015, 11:29:14 PM
Just wrapped up season 2 of Enterprise.. Still getting their asses kicked I see..

A couple former Klingon actors, General Martok and Gowron and the actor that played the Romulan Tomalak played some new roles in a couple episodes :o

Speaking of episodes.. What's the deal with the Duras family being brought up already (before the Original series) ???
Oh and I thought noone ever escaped from Rura Penthe before but somehow Captain Archer did and I guess that was left out of the history books ::)
And the Borg being found on Earth trying to tie it in with Zefram Cochrane's warp flight?? Lame!  :-X

You have watched the movie First Contact, haven't you?

Although that Borg episode is one I normally skip when re-watching season 2...

The time travel from First Contact gave Berman and Braga an excuse to change a few things, saying the timeline was different because of the borg, I always thought that was a lame excuse, as are most of their excuses for when things went wrong on the shows they did.  It's kind of harsh to dump on them so much, they did do a few good stories during their time in charge of Trek, but the bad ones are just soooo bad...

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Have I mentioned T'Pau is Hawt?? :P

Hey! I mentioned it first!
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on April 25, 2015, 11:31:30 PM
Just wrapped up season 2 of Enterprise.. Still getting their asses kicked I see..

A couple former Klingon actors, General Martok and Gowron and the actor that played the Romulan Tomalak played some new roles in a couple episodes :o

Speaking of episodes.. What's the deal with the Duras family being brought up already (before the Original series) ???
Oh and I thought noone ever escaped from Rura Penthe before but somehow Captain Archer did and I guess that was left out of the history books ::)
And the Borg being found on Earth trying to tie it in with Zefram Cochrane's warp flight?? Lame!  :-X
And as for time travel in several of the episodes so far ... *face palm* :grr:
Have I mentioned T'Pau is Hawt?? :P

On to season 3 tomorrow..

Once you're finished, a lot of the continuity errors about Enterprise can be explaiend by the Federation wanting to erase any memory of it from history.

"Captain Picard, isn't there an Enterprise model missing from the conference room?"

"Nope"
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Post by: RVR II on April 26, 2015, 05:06:35 AM
Just wrapped up season 2 of Enterprise.. Still getting their asses kicked I see..

A couple former Klingon actors, General Martok and Gowron and the actor that played the Romulan Tomalak played some new roles in a couple episodes :o

Speaking of episodes.. What's the deal with the Duras family being brought up already (before the Original series) ???
Oh and I thought noone ever escaped from Rura Penthe before but somehow Captain Archer did and I guess that was left out of the history books ::)
And the Borg being found on Earth trying to tie it in with Zefram Cochrane's warp flight?? Lame!  :-X

You have watched the movie First Contact, haven't you?

Although that Borg episode is one I normally skip when re-watching season 2...

The time travel from First Contact gave Berman and Braga an excuse to change a few things, saying the timeline was different because of the borg, I always thought that was a lame excuse, as are most of their excuses for when things went wrong on the shows they did.  It's kind of harsh to dump on them so much, they did do a few good stories during their time in charge of Trek, but the bad ones are just soooo bad...

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Have I mentioned T'Pau is Hawt?? :P

Hey! I mentioned it first!
Oh yeah I've watched First Contact too many times to count and trying to tie in Enterprise to that movie was lame IMO.. Just aggravated me I guess >:(

Well now that I've seen T'Pau through 2 seasons now, I have to agree with you ;D
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Post by: RVR II on April 26, 2015, 05:09:41 AM
Just wrapped up season 2 of Enterprise.. Still getting their asses kicked I see..

A couple former Klingon actors, General Martok and Gowron and the actor that played the Romulan Tomalak played some new roles in a couple episodes :o

Speaking of episodes.. What's the deal with the Duras family being brought up already (before the Original series) ???
Oh and I thought noone ever escaped from Rura Penthe before but somehow Captain Archer did and I guess that was left out of the history books ::)
And the Borg being found on Earth trying to tie it in with Zefram Cochrane's warp flight?? Lame!  :-X
And as for time travel in several of the episodes so far ... *face palm* :grr:
Have I mentioned T'Pau is Hawt?? :P

On to season 3 tomorrow..

Once you're finished, a lot of the continuity errors about Enterprise can be explaiend by the Federation wanting to erase any memory of it from history.

"Captain Picard, isn't there an Enterprise model missing from the conference room?"

"Nope"
This just reenforces my thoughts that they should have just made the series continuing after Voyager and not try to 'fill in the gaps' explaining things and then wipe it from the history books so it doesn't seem awkward when the original series starts up.. :-\
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 26, 2015, 05:13:41 AM
The only thing that really bothers me about the Borg episode is Phlox nearly getting assimilated.  Everything else could line up pretty well.
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Post by: RVR II on April 26, 2015, 05:18:26 AM
The only thing that really bothers me about the Borg episode is Phlox nearly getting assimilated.  Everything else could line up pretty well.
I guess I can see that
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Post by: RVR II on April 26, 2015, 11:53:52 AM
I didn't like most of the first 2 seasons of ENT.  I predict RVR will like S3 a lot more. S4 was great. I'm still going to get that one on blu-ray.
I've been watching season 3 since 9 this morning and may get through half the season in 1 day :o
It's a dreary day today so I have nothing better to do..
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 26, 2015, 04:53:12 PM
This looks promising:

http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/OjeX5drV9ms

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Post by: RVR II on April 27, 2015, 06:45:21 AM
I just finished Season 3 in about a day :speechless:
Watched discs 1-10 yesterday and finished discs 11 & 12 this morning :o

You all were right! Season 3 really picked up the pace with a lot more action and battles and the 'Council of Doom' falling apart and factions changing sides, but still the future jumps kept coming into play altering the time lines and now we're going into the past ???

The 'future' Enterprise episode was rather bizarre.. Meeting future offspring then battling each other..

Well, on to Season 4 starting tonight.
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Post by: RoninFox on April 28, 2015, 09:37:15 AM
This looks promising:

http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/OjeX5drV9ms



Kinda a Starfleet Suicide Squad then.  Interesting indeed.
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Post by: RVR II on April 28, 2015, 02:32:09 PM
This makes me sad kinda :(
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Frakes: Forget About Trek On TV

Posted by T'Bonz - 28/04/15 at 10:04 am


If you’re waiting for a Star Trek series to air on television, don’t hold your breath.

Jonathan Frakes said it won’t be happening anytime soon.

Frakes, speaking at Fan Expos Regina 2015 last weekend, was asked about the possibility of a new televised Trek series.

The actor told the crowd that he had pitched a concept to CBS but that they weren’t interested in a new Trek show, not even one pitched by him.

Frakes went on to explain that CBS feels that it diluted the Star Trek brand during the 1990s and early 2000s, with Star Trek: Nemesis being the first Trek film to fail to make a profit.

So when the rebooted Trek movies did well, CBS decided to concentrate on them, and not branch out and make the same mistake as they did back then.
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 29, 2015, 05:57:23 AM
Well, I've got to say, Star Trek Online does a pretty good job of incorporating all of the threads into a cohesive whole. It is a very good incarnation of Trek. And I say that as a very solid Trek fan from, like, the seventies...

I would play it more, if my laptop was up to the graphical challenge. I really enjoyed it, but the ground combat was too intensive for my computer. Ship to ship combat was ok.... but... ultimately... I had to give it up...

What were we talking about?
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Post by: RoninFox on April 29, 2015, 05:58:56 AM
Star Trek Online was pretty good when I played it, but the fact that its an action game that centers on constant combat does make it unsuitable to be the only thing carrying the mantle of the prime universe.
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 29, 2015, 06:11:57 AM
Well, Ronin, who does carry the Prime Universe, then? Is it Paramount? They suck.... is it JJ Abrams... he's all about the Star Wars now... is it Ronald Moore? He's making Scottish girl-porn now....

For Star Trek I have to go to my DVD's or the Online game... No one else is helping me! I cry myself to sleep at night!

(That last part was a joke.... maybe...)
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Post by: RVR II on April 29, 2015, 03:00:05 PM
And done with season 4 of Enterprise..

More decent episodes till nearing the end when it seemed like fragments of story lines were brought in to 'fill in the gaps' in DS9 episodes I suppose but didn't completely fill them in as they seemed rushed to bring the series to a close..
Section 31
The alternate universe
And then there's the prejudice of other species.. That carries over to the original series I presume? Which reminds me of another point.. All the time the Andorians referred to Archer as 'pink skin'.. What were the black officers then ???

Oh and interesting to see the guy that played the crazy Betazoid, Tam Elbrun in the TNG episode 'Tin Man' in the near end episodes..

And so with Riker and Troi in the final episode.. What did that have to do with the TNG Pegasus episode ??? That the Enterprise series was just a holodeck program?? :-\

In summary; I agree the first and second seasons were a bit slow but 3rd and 4th seasons picked up the pace a bit, though it still didn't make sense to me to even try to fill in the gap between Zefram Cochrane warp drive to the original series..
All the 'time travel' that was brought up throughout the 4 season series could have easily been done in a plot after Voyager IMO :-\

Will I watch the Enterprise series again? I'm sure I will ;D
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 29, 2015, 03:31:23 PM
The time travel stuff started to wear thin on me.... it was like a writers' easy way out... a cheat...

Though I must say, I wish I had a better computer, because I would be playing ST:O most of my waking hours. (I'm the boss, I occasionally bark out orders to earn my pay.... I can do that and play games too...)
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Post by: RVR II on April 29, 2015, 04:33:49 PM
The time travel stuff started to wear thin on me.... it was like a writers' easy way out... a cheat...
Yes! That's it exactly! :o
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Post by: Sideswipe on April 29, 2015, 04:35:08 PM
Yeah, too bad no good stories ever came out of time travel plots!
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Post by: RandyMistie on April 29, 2015, 05:43:13 PM
Yes, Swipe, "City on the Edge of Forever" by Harlan Ellison, yes that was good... but it set up the cheat for the rest of the series. So... maybe it was a bit harmful to the overall series....

Oh, in Star Trek: Online you get this mission where you have to go to the Time Guardian planet and jump through to the Enterprise of TOS.... fun as hell... I must say... even though I was AGAINST IT!

Really fun though... you talk to Scotty, and Chekov, and Kirk, and Sulu.... and Spock.... great stuff...

Sure it was pandering, but, I still wet myself with geek-boy overload!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 29, 2015, 10:35:41 PM
And so with Riker and Troi in the final episode.. What did that have to do with the TNG Pegasus episode ??? That the Enterprise series was just a holodeck program?? :-\

I warned you not to ever watch that one!  The end of the previous episode is a way better way to end the series...

It doesn't even fit in with the Pegasus episode, when did Riker have time to spend all that time in the holodeck?  And when he says at the end he's ready to talk to the captain that isn't what happens in Pegasus...   It's like they didn't even watch the TNG episode so they could fit that crap into it properly....

Then there's the utterly stupid way Trip gets killed.

And the biggest FU to the fans, we don't even get to hear Archer's speech at the founding of the federation!  Come on!  If they had done a good speech there the episode could have been somewhat redeemed.

There's a lot more to complain about but those are the ones that have stuck with me ever since it aired...  The Treknoloic folks do a great (and fairly funny) job raging about it:

http://www.treknologic.com/?p=2355
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Post by: RVR II on April 30, 2015, 05:46:31 AM
And so with Riker and Troi in the final episode.. What did that have to do with the TNG Pegasus episode ??? That the Enterprise series was just a holodeck program?? :-\

I warned you not to ever watch that one!  The end of the previous episode is a way better way to end the series...

It doesn't even fit in with the Pegasus episode, when did Riker have time to spend all that time in the holodeck?  And when he says at the end he's ready to talk to the captain that isn't what happens in Pegasus...   It's like they didn't even watch the TNG episode so they could fit that crap into it properly....

Then there's the utterly stupid way Trip gets killed.

And the biggest FU to the fans, we don't even get to hear Archer's speech at the founding of the federation!  Come on!  If they had done a good speech there the episode could have been somewhat redeemed.

There's a lot more to complain about but those are the ones that have stuck with me ever since it aired...  The Treknoloic folks do a great (and fairly funny) job raging about it:

http://www.treknologic.com/?p=2355
Yeah I remember you telling me about that. I agree that the next to last episode would have been a decent way to end the series.

Yeah I didn't even mention Trip's death but after all the ways to go out in other episodes, to go out with a simple shorting out a wire seemed beyond lame ::)

As for Archer's speech, yeah they could have used the speech in the next to last episode with a bit more flare (or again just use that episode as the finale)..

I wonder when they found out the show was going to end after 4 seasons ??? Cause that would explain why the latter part of season 4 seemed to bounce all over the place :-\
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Post by: RandyMistie on May 03, 2015, 02:49:45 PM
"Yesterday's Enterprise" was really good... I must say... as a time travel ep.

I did like the way they developed a "Temporal Police" system in the... was it "Voyager"? When did they first show up?

Anyway, the Federation actually had a "temporal Police" system in place... I think that was the writers acknowledging how often Star Trek fucked around with time travel...
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Post by: Sideswipe on May 03, 2015, 03:12:11 PM
I must say...
(https://iknowwhatyourthinking.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/ed2.jpeg)
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Post by: RandyMistie on May 03, 2015, 03:15:01 PM
You motherfucker! HAHA LOL!!!! You know what is funny, I was thinking the same thing as I was typing it... and I have typed it several times...

Seriously, I am not a Canadian geek. I am a red-blooded American geek!!!
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Post by: RVR II on May 03, 2015, 05:51:23 PM
Yeoman Rand passed away a couple of days ago  :(
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Grace Lee Whitney (born Mary Ann Chase; April 1, 1930 - May 1, 2015). She was best known as Janice Rand on the Star Trek television series
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 16, 2015, 11:04:01 PM
Bunch of pictures of my 1:1000 USS Reliant model, took just over a month to build:

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/reliantdone1.jpg)
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/reliantdone2.jpg)
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/reliantdone3.jpg)
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/reliantdone4.jpg)
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/reliantdone5.jpg)
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Post by: MSTJedi on May 16, 2015, 11:05:37 PM
Nice.
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Post by: BathTub on May 16, 2015, 11:10:31 PM
that looks bonkers!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 16, 2015, 11:18:15 PM
Now I've got all the "Khan" ships in the same scale.

Not easy to photograph though, one being white and the others darker...

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/khanships.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on May 17, 2015, 05:03:46 AM
KHAAAAANNNNN!!!!!   :speechless:
Oh sorry I had a wrath moment there seeing these :P
Awesome work!
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Post by: eegah on May 17, 2015, 10:45:46 AM
Bunch of pictures of my 1:1000 USS Reliant model, took just over a month to build:
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/reliantdone5.jpg)

"Please no truck nuts, no truck nuts...AAAAAAHHH a little butthole!"
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Post by: Sideswipe on May 27, 2015, 03:18:18 PM
http://comicbook.com/2015/05/20/paramount-wants-star-trek-3-to-be-less-star-trek-y/

Then why the fuck call it Star Trek??
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 27, 2015, 04:10:02 PM
http://comicbook.com/2015/05/20/paramount-wants-star-trek-3-to-be-less-star-trek-y/

Then why the fuck call it Star Trek??

There hasn't been any Star Trek since 2005....

And from what I've been reading about the response folks have been getting from CBS when trying to bring the original universe back to TV, they don't want to "confuse" people with different versions.  Pretty much exactly what I said would happen back in 2009 when this alternate timeline crap came into existence.  Studios are run by money people with no imagination, a great example of it is the really long documentary in the big Blade Runner movie box set.

I guess turning Star Trek into Mission Impossible in space wasn't dumbing it down enough, now they want it to to be a comic book movie....
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Post by: Sideswipe on May 27, 2015, 04:17:50 PM
Agreed 100 percent.
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Post by: RVR II on June 01, 2015, 12:10:20 PM
I will be getting the 7 disc Original series on Blu-Ray starting next week from Netflix so that will be fun to watch (maybe) :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 01, 2015, 01:23:29 PM
I will be getting the 7 disc Original series on Blu-Ray starting next week from Netflix so that will be fun to watch (maybe) :o

Shouldn't you know already?  Or you don't know the original series well enough?

Season 1 I assume...  There are a couple of stinkers but the rest are fantastic.  And look really great on Blu-Ray, but you'll be stretching them out to avoid the black bars, just thinking about it makes me sick.....  Season 2 is the same as far as stinkers vs. greatness.  Season 3 is reversed, a couple really good ones and the rest pretty bad, NBC really wanted the show gone and pretty much guaranteed it by slashing the budget.
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Post by: RVR II on June 01, 2015, 01:35:29 PM
I will be getting the 7 disc Original series on Blu-Ray starting next week from Netflix so that will be fun to watch (maybe) :o

Shouldn't you know already?  Or you don't know the original series well enough?

Season 1 I assume...  There are a couple of stinkers but the rest are fantastic.  And look really great on Blu-Ray, but you'll be stretching them out to avoid the black bars, just thinking about it makes me sick.....  Season 2 is the same as far as stinkers vs. greatness.  Season 3 is reversed, a couple really good ones and the rest pretty bad, NBC really wanted the show gone and pretty much guaranteed it by slashing the budget.
I haven't watched the original series in years actually, and never watched them on Blu-Ray.
Oh yeah the black side bars.. Just seeing them makes me sick  :-[
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Post by: soguru on June 01, 2015, 07:03:17 PM
Do you think they might do a widescreen conversion of classic Trek some day? With all the technology it should be easy.
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Post by: RVR II on June 01, 2015, 07:05:07 PM
Do you think they might do a widescreen conversion of classic Trek some day? With all the technology it should be easy.
I would think so..
They did it with the original Battlestar Galactica and it looked pretty good I thought :-\
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 01, 2015, 07:17:28 PM
Do you think they might do a widescreen conversion of classic Trek some day? With all the technology it should be easy.

Nope, the film and sets were blocked for full frame, so there's just no HD source material available to fill in the sides.  And I certainly wouldn't want them to crop the top and bottom, there are a lot of closeups used in TOS, there would be so many scenes with the tops of the actors heads cut off, and the set itself was so much part of the show you wouldn't want to cut any away.  And besides only an idiot would ignore a beautiful picture just because the frame was the wrong color...   >:D

They thought about it for TNG, since all the live action was shot on 35mm film unblocked, but all the effects shots were blocked for full frame, so they would have had to replace all the nice practical effects shots with CGI to do widescreen.  I always thought the 1701D looked CGI anyway, so I wouldn't have cared if they had done that, but I think it was way more expensive vs. scanning the fillm, and there were some really cool practical effects done on that show like the gigantic section of the dyson sphere they built.   Oh if only the original film for each layer of the TOS effects wasn't thrown away, to see that 11 foot model in HD would have been glorious...
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Post by: RVR II on June 01, 2015, 09:11:44 PM
As far as the "black bars making you sick," seeing 4:3 content warped and stretched to fit 16:9 TVs, making the characters all have fat heads and all circles become ovals is far, far worse.
See I'v compared them and the image is really not that bad..
I've seen some really stretched pictures that were unbearable but honestly, the distorted image is just not that bad to me :-\
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Post by: RVR II on June 01, 2015, 09:25:46 PM
Well you're wrong. That's all there is to it. Circles are supposed to be circles, not ovals.
Well sometimes you just gotta break the rules ;D
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Post by: BathTub on June 01, 2015, 09:41:49 PM
You really do make my head hurt. You would rather have a warped image over intact correct ratio image.
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Post by: RVR II on June 01, 2015, 09:48:05 PM
You really do make my head hurt. You would rather have a warped image over intact correct ratio image.
I just don't see it being all that bad is all, and I've seen some warped ones before :o
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Post by: RVR II on June 02, 2015, 04:37:24 PM
http://www.blastr.com/2015-6-1/michael-dorn-updates-us-his-proposed-capt-worf-series-and-reveals-intriguing-plot-details
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Post by: soguru on June 02, 2015, 10:10:32 PM
I'm just surprised. I mean we can re-master classic trek, but we can't fix the aspect ratio?
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 02, 2015, 10:30:32 PM
I'm just surprised. I mean we can re-master classic trek, but we can't fix the aspect ratio?

"Re-Mastering" is just scanning the original film again and cleaning it up, if the film and sets were blocked to 4:3 there's no source material to fill in the sides.   What would you suggest?  Filling in the sides with CGI?  That would look terrible.  The standard option like what was done with BSG is to cut off the top and bottom, but you can do that yourself using the zoom option on most TVs.   The only reason they used CGI for the effects shots was because they look terrible on a big screen, only the last step that came out of the optical printer was saved, not the individual layers, so it's very grainy, if you have the blu-rays try using the option to watch with the original effects, they do look bad, especially compared to the gorgeous crisp live action shots.  Some of the 2 layer shots, say the 11 foot model and a star background are not too bad, but get to one where there is a ship, a planet, stars, and something else like phasers firing, those are really bad looking.
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Post by: goflyblind on June 03, 2015, 05:50:37 AM
Filling in the sides with CGI?  That would look terrible.

get whomever did the animated series to fill in the edges. it'd be seamless.
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Post by: RVR II on June 03, 2015, 09:03:57 PM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/11202568_448510871984100_8247707698515975544_n_zps62ibwiv9.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/11202568_448510871984100_8247707698515975544_n_zps62ibwiv9.jpg.html)
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Post by: RVR II on June 04, 2015, 10:14:42 AM
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Nichelle Nichols
1 hr ·

Official Statement

Last night while at her home in LA, Nichelle Nichols suffered from a mild stroke. She is currently undergoing testing to determine how severe the stroke was. Please keep her in your thoughts.

-Zach McGinnis
Galactic Productions, LLC
:(
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Post by: soguru on June 05, 2015, 09:33:13 PM
2015 is shaping up to be a very bad year for Star Trek. I had a very morbid thought earlier... if anymore of our beloved Trek stars die before the next movie, the dedication will read "In memory of Leonard Nimoy, Grace Whitney, and...". Obviously I don't want to see that happen, but if they have to do a dedication it probably will already be very awkward.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 09, 2015, 08:40:14 AM
I seem to be running across lots of terrible stories about Rick Berman lately, increasing my dislike of the guy. 
The way he treated the actors was downright evil sometimes.
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Post by: RVR II on June 09, 2015, 08:58:23 AM
I seem to be running across lots of terrible stories about Rick Berman lately, increasing my dislike of the guy. 
The way he treated the actors was downright evil sometimes.
Do you have links? :o

Started watching the Original series on Blu-Ray..
Disc 1: Lot of characters were being killed off early on it seems.. Yeoman Rand had a lot of attention early on.. I had forgotten that Dr. McCoy and Uhura didn't come onboard till the second episode 'The Man Trap' and there's no sign of Chekov yet :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 09, 2015, 09:14:07 AM
I seem to be running across lots of terrible stories about Rick Berman lately, increasing my dislike of the guy. 
The way he treated the actors was downright evil sometimes.
Do you have links? :o

Started watching the Original series on Blu-Ray..
Disc 1: Lot of characters were being killed off early on it seems.. Yeoman Rand had a lot of attention early on.. I had forgotten that Dr. McCoy and Uhura didn't come onboard till the second episode 'The Man Trap' and there's no sign of Chekov yet :o

There's the story Will Wheaton tells that I just heard in his interview here:
http://www.missionlogpodcast.com/the-one-with-wil-wheaton/
Basically Will wanted to do a movie when TNG was on break, and Will didn't have any scenes in the first few episodes of the next season so had pleanty of time, but Berman changed the shooting schedule so the first Wesley episode was going to be shot first, and as soon as Will dropped out of the movie Berman switched the TNG shooting schedule back.

Can't remember where I heard the Terry Farrell story but it's basically the same, and the reason she left the show.

And other random stories about how he treated the writers also. 

As for Chekov, I don't think he shows up until season 2.  And watching the show in broadcast order is confusing, for some odd reason they aired the 2nd pilot 3rd, so suddenly you've got a different looking show and a different doctor for one episode, then back to normal...
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Post by: RVR II on June 09, 2015, 09:28:33 AM
I wasn't aware that Rick Berman was like that :o
I think the Wil should have stuck to the movie and he would have been brought back eventually (in my opinion) as he was considered one of the main characters  :-\
I had wondered why Terry Farrell was killed off but never looked into it 'behind the scenes' wise :o
Any others that you know of Berman PO'd ???
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Post by: RoninFox on June 09, 2015, 09:35:41 AM
I wasn't aware that Rick Berman was like that :o
I think the Wil should have stuck to the movie and he would have been brought back eventually (in my opinion) as he was considered one of the main characters  :-\
I had wondered why Terry Farrell was killed off but never looked into it 'behind the scenes' wise :o
Any others that you know of Berman PO'd ???

Wil didn't have that kind of choice thanks to the contract he had signed.
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Post by: RVR II on June 09, 2015, 09:50:52 AM
I wasn't aware that Rick Berman was like that :o
I think the Wil should have stuck to the movie and he would have been brought back eventually (in my opinion) as he was considered one of the main characters  :-\
I had wondered why Terry Farrell was killed off but never looked into it 'behind the scenes' wise :o
Any others that you know of Berman PO'd ???

Wil didn't have that kind of choice thanks to the contract he had signed.
Yeah I was thinking that after I posted..
Maybe there was a clause in his contract preventing him for doing other projects during the TNG era  :-\
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Post by: RoninFox on June 09, 2015, 09:57:09 AM
I wasn't aware that Rick Berman was like that :o
I think the Wil should have stuck to the movie and he would have been brought back eventually (in my opinion) as he was considered one of the main characters  :-\
I had wondered why Terry Farrell was killed off but never looked into it 'behind the scenes' wise :o
Any others that you know of Berman PO'd ???

Wil didn't have that kind of choice thanks to the contract he had signed.
Yeah I was thinking that after I posted..
Maybe there was a clause in his contract preventing him for doing other projects during the TNG era  :-\

He could have pursued another project if Paramount had allowed it, which comes down to if the other project would interfere with the TNG schedule. It wouldn't have, but Berman manipulated the system just to keep Wil in line.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 09, 2015, 10:12:34 AM
I wasn't aware that Rick Berman was like that :o
I think the Wil should have stuck to the movie and he would have been brought back eventually (in my opinion) as he was considered one of the main characters  :-\
I had wondered why Terry Farrell was killed off but never looked into it 'behind the scenes' wise :o
Any others that you know of Berman PO'd ???

Wil didn't have that kind of choice thanks to the contract he had signed.
Yeah I was thinking that after I posted..
Maybe there was a clause in his contract preventing him for doing other projects during the TNG era  :-\

He could have pursued another project if Paramount had allowed it, which comes down to if the other project would interfere with the TNG schedule. It wouldn't have, but Berman manipulated the system just to keep Wil in line.


That's what makes it so evil, things had been worked out with Paramount, it was Berman that messed with the schedule so Will couldn't do the movie, it was when the schedule was switched back that was the last straw for Will and he decided to leave the show.

The Terry Farrell story is just about as evil because it seems the other producers were unaware and would have worked out something, she only found out about that a few years ago when she ran into one of them, she had been angry at a whole bunch of people all those years but it seems it was only Berman responsible for refusing to let her do a few less episodes the next season.
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Post by: soguru on June 09, 2015, 03:36:07 PM
For better or for worse, I still thoroughly enjoyed the final season of DS9. And to quote Harry S. Plinkett... "What is it with Ricks?!"
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Post by: RVR II on June 09, 2015, 03:44:41 PM
For better or for worse, I still thoroughly enjoyed the final season of DS9. And to quote Harry S. Plinkett... "What is it with Ricks?!"
Speaking of DS9.. Has anyone heard anything about DS9 going to Blu-Ray lately ???
Only thing I've read was from a few months ago that due to disappointing sales of the TNG Blu-Rays, CBS wasn't slating DS9 for Blu-Ray anytime soon, but the source article didn't seem to have any serious credit; sounded more like an opinion :-\
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 09, 2015, 03:49:25 PM
TNG blu ray sales were disappointing??
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Post by: RVR II on June 09, 2015, 03:53:17 PM
TNG blu ray sales were disappointing??
That's what this article was saying but again it seemed more opinionated than factual :o
Here's the link..
http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2015/03/deep-space-nine-to-hd-or-not-hd.html
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 09, 2015, 03:56:02 PM
I had been under the impression that TNG was still one of the most beloved tv shows ever made?
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Post by: RVR II on June 09, 2015, 03:59:36 PM
I had been under the impression that TNG was still one of the most beloved tv shows ever made?
Same here.. I was a huge fan then and it carried over to DS9 so I don't know where the author of that article was getting his sources ???
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Post by: soguru on June 09, 2015, 04:04:41 PM
I think with sci-fi having SO many series, so many movies, the pie slices are just getting smaller and smaller, meaning the share of monies diminishes with time and more shows coming that people are currently interested as opposed to the ones that have been off the air for 20+ years and are basically kinda forgotten by a lot of people, regardless of how great they were.
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 09, 2015, 04:07:19 PM
I had been under the impression that TNG was still one of the most beloved tv shows ever made?
Same here.. I was a huge fan then and it carried over to DS9 so I don't know where the author of that article was getting his sources ???

Yeah, it would be interesting to see some actual numbers...
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Post by: RVR II on June 09, 2015, 04:22:39 PM
I had been under the impression that TNG was still one of the most beloved tv shows ever made?
Same here.. I was a huge fan then and it carried over to DS9 so I don't know where the author of that article was getting his sources ???

Yeah, it would be interesting to see some actual numbers...
Been doing a Google search and I can't find anything, just talk about individual season results on TrekCore.com but no complete series totals :-\
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Post by: BathTub on June 09, 2015, 04:36:47 PM
If the jugganaut that is The Simpsons can't sustain physical sales, then it's entirely possible TNG sales could be disappointing. Remember these huge companies demand huge returns.
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Post by: RVR II on June 09, 2015, 04:41:15 PM
If the jugganaut that is The Simpsons can't sustain physical sales, then it's entirely possible TNG sales could be disappointing. Remember these huge companies demand huge returns.
Yeah since hearing that this has been making me nervous..
At least do DS9 on Blu-Ray and fuck Voyager :-[
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Post by: soguru on June 09, 2015, 05:07:50 PM
and fuck Voyager :-[
Well said, sir. :D
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 09, 2015, 06:57:57 PM
If the jugganaut that is The Simpsons can't sustain physical sales, then it's entirely possible TNG sales could be disappointing. Remember these huge companies demand huge returns.
Yeah since hearing that this has been making me nervous..
At least do DS9 on Blu-Ray and fuck Voyager :-[

I think it's more the cost of doing those last few seasons of DS9 that has them worried, all those CGI battles needing to be redone will cost a bundle.  Of course that would be a selling point, but they probably don't think of that stuff.

Voyager would need even more CGI work, and I don't know anyone that would buy that entire series, adding up all the episodes I'd like to see in HD I doubt I would reach one seasons worth...

After reading some of that article linked above I went and checked Amazon Prime, they are streaming the HD versions of TNG now.
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Post by: soguru on June 20, 2015, 08:20:48 PM
I would like to hear them say they'd re-shoot a lot of those DS9 space battles. I didn't like the way a lot of them originally turned out, especially towards the tail-end of season 7. I don't think that's going to happen though.  :(
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 02:27:28 PM
Since its raining today, I decided I am going to watch a bunch of TNG episodes.  Currently watching, The Royale(with cheese).  It is a strange episode.
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 02:30:54 PM
Since its raining today, I decided I am going to watch a bunch of TNG episodes.  Currently watching, The Royale(with cheese).  It is a strange episode.
It is strange but in a likable way..
It is one of my choice episodes 8)
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 02:34:30 PM
I am really not sure why I watch it, but I cant get mad at it.  Unlike some of the other episodes.  Like Shades of Grey, I hate clip shows.
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 02:59:26 PM
Data is high rolling them bones like a baws.
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 03:03:25 PM
I am really not sure why I watch it, but I cant get mad at it.  Unlike some of the other episodes.  Like Shades of Grey, I hate clip shows.
Yeah I'm the same way..
Data is high rolling them bones like a baws.
Yeah that's hilarious :D :D
I wonder how many takes they did to get the wanted rolls :o
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 03:08:55 PM
They probably used weighted dice, which ironically in the show they were before Data fixed them.

Now watching, Peak Performance. 

I wish the episode was just about the battle simulation and didnt have the Ferengi ship interrupting.
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 03:11:06 PM
Now watching, Peak Performance. 

I wish the episode was just about the battle simulation and didnt have the Ferengi ship interrupting.
Yeah and that didn't fit their profile; there wasn't any profit getting involved in a battle simulation like that ???
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 03:19:26 PM
Indeed.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 28, 2015, 03:19:35 PM
Now watching, Peak Performance. 

I wish the episode was just about the battle simulation and didnt have the Ferengi ship interrupting.

Yeah, that is the weak part of that episode, such great stuff otherwise with Data dealing with self doubt and Riker putting his team together.  It just doesn't make sense that Picard doesn't at least try to explain that they were having a training exorcize?  The Ferengi should have seen the weapons they were using on each other were not doing any physical damage.  Lots of nonsensical stuff just to get to the drama of firing the torpedoes.   
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 03:24:40 PM
It would have been a far better episode seeing the over matched Hathaway holding its own against Enterprise using strategy and tricks up until it gets defeated at the end. Also, it has a young Glenn Morshower in a guest role!
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 04:28:09 PM
Now watching, Q Who?

A must watch episode!  First appearance of the Borg, resistance is futile!  Also John DeLancie really nails it in this episode, Q has some great monologues and John delivers them fantastically. 
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 04:37:29 PM
Now watching, Q Who?

A must watch episode!  First appearance of the Borg, resistance is futile!  Also John DeLancie really nails it in this episode, Q has some great monologues and John delivers them fantastically.
Yeah that's a Great episode indeed :o
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 04:44:01 PM
At one point Q is leaning back in one of the conference lounge chairs describing the Borg, and then disappears and the chair springs back in place.  I dont know why, but I really like that moment.
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 04:47:34 PM
At one point Q is leaning back in one of the conference lounge chairs describing the Borg, and then disappears and the chair springs back in place.  I dont know why, but I really like that moment.
HA and his response to Picard about losing 18 members of his crew..
"Oh no, this is as real as your so-called life gets"  >:D
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 04:50:30 PM
Here's an interesting read..
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-star-trek-was-rebooted-wrong/
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 04:54:55 PM
At one point Q is leaning back in one of the conference lounge chairs describing the Borg, and then disappears and the chair springs back in place.  I dont know why, but I really like that moment.
HA and his response to Picard about losing 18 members of his crew..
"Oh no, this is as real as your so-called life gets"  >:D

Yeah, that is exactly what I was talking about with John DeLancies performance.
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 05:01:21 PM
At one point Q is leaning back in one of the conference lounge chairs describing the Borg, and then disappears and the chair springs back in place.  I dont know why, but I really like that moment.
HA and his response to Picard about losing 18 members of his crew..
"Oh no, this is as real as your so-called life gets"  >:D

"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 05:04:17 PM
Yeah that's a good quote too
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 05:12:24 PM
I was just thinking, the bloody nose Q gave to the Federation probably helped them win the Dominion War. 
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 05:34:50 PM
Now watching, Who Watches the Watchers.

I recommend Dan watch this episode.  Its kind of a classy middle finger to religion. 
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 06:16:17 PM
I was just thinking, the bloody nose Q gave to the Federation probably helped them win the Dominion War.
Oh yeah :o
Now watching, Who Watches the Watchers.

I recommend Dan watch this episode.  Its kind of a classy middle finger to religion. 
He won't cause you recommended it :D :D
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 06:30:31 PM
I know.  Too bad, its a great episode.  It encourages rational thinking and abandoning superstitions. Oh well, on to...

THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS PART 1

What more needs to be said about that one? 
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 06:36:04 PM
Got me in the mood..
I'm watching Deja Q .. Guinan stabbing Q with a fork :D :D
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 06:39:49 PM
I love the exchange, paraphrasing:

Q:  What do I need to do to prove I am mortal?

Worf:  Die.
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 06:46:43 PM
I love the exchange, paraphrasing:

Q:  What do I need to do to prove I am mortal?

Worf:  Die.
:D :D :D Yeah that was hilarious!
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 06:47:51 PM
We have engaged... the Borg!
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 06:54:07 PM
We have engaged... the Borg!
Yeah Ol Locutus kicks Star Fleet's ass :o
Wish they would have shown more of the battle at Wolf 359
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 07:02:15 PM
Yeah, definitely.  It would be awesome if they did that in an extended version of Emissary, if they get around to doing DS9 blu rays.
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 07:03:49 PM
Yeah, definitely.  It would be awesome if they did that in an extended version of Emissary, if they get around to doing DS9 blu rays.
Oh yeah..  :o
Was that mentioned somewhere that there was an extended version of the battle?
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 07:07:35 PM
Not that I am aware of.  I just think it would be awesome if they created one for Emissary.
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 07:10:07 PM
Not that I am aware of.  I just think it would be awesome if they created one for Emissary.
Oh ok. Yeah that would be awesome..
Wonder if we can submit a request for that (not like it would be acknowledged or anything)..
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
There was a lot of CGI in the Dominion war.  I would be ok with them just doing new footage and making it bigger and more epic, without the recycled footage.  I want to see an Enterprise E easter egg or something.  That ship should have been in the fight.  Also I want to see some Constitutions fighting as well.
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 07:27:32 PM
There was a lot of CGI in the Dominion war.  I would be ok with them just doing new footage and making it bigger and more epic, without the recycled footage.  I want to see an Enterprise E easter egg or something.  That ship should have been in the fight.  Also I want to see some Constitutions fighting as well.
oh man yeah that would be epic for sure! :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 28, 2015, 07:29:36 PM
The early seasons on DS9 were still mostly practical effects, so mixing in extra CGI footage would probably look terrible.
So unless they decide to go full on CGI replacement for the entire series those early scenes will not be extended.
The fact that there are no rumors even flying that CBS is starting work makes me think there isn't going to be an HD version of DS9.  It's too bad the last season of TNG was kind of bland (I only bought it for the extras), it seems the lack of sales of the last few TNG sets has the studio thinking it wouldn't be worth it to spend the extra money needed to do DS9.
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 07:32:44 PM
I dont know...
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 08:15:17 PM
The early seasons on DS9 were still mostly practical effects, so mixing in extra CGI footage would probably look terrible.

Not necessarily, it depends on the quality.  Hathaway in this shot is CGI and it looks fine next to the physical model of Enterprise.

(http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x21/peakperformance_hd_194.jpg)
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 28, 2015, 08:42:35 PM
Now watching, Home.

I never had much respect for this episode as a kid, especially after coming off of an exciting 2 parter.  Patrick Stewart kills it in this one though.  The only episode that doesnt have Data or the bridge.
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Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2015, 08:48:47 PM
I just finished watching 'Tin Man'.
Another decent episode with the Romulans.. :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 28, 2015, 11:08:34 PM
That's such a coincidence, I watched Tin Man a few nights ago while browsing around Amazon Prime.  Love that episode, it's too bad they never had a followup...

Fairly early role for Harry Groener, man is he great as Tam, and almost unrecognizable when you compare it to his work on Buffy or even the last real episodes of Enterprise.
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 29, 2015, 03:35:41 AM
That was a cool thing about Star Trek.  If you were in it once you were almost guaranteed to get another role at some point.
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Post by: RoninFox on June 29, 2015, 09:25:32 AM
Got me in the mood..
I'm watching Deja Q .. Guinan stabbing Q with a fork :D :D

The one thing I always wanted but never got out of TNG...an explanation of why Guinan scared Q. Check his eyes and posture once he recognizes her, Guinan somehow must have severely messed with him or the continuum in the past. He seemed genuinely worried for the first time on that show.
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Post by: RVR II on June 29, 2015, 10:04:13 AM
Got me in the mood..
I'm watching Deja Q .. Guinan stabbing Q with a fork :D :D

The one thing I always wanted but never got out of TNG...an explanation of why Guinan scared Q. Check his eyes and posture once he recognizes her, Guinan somehow must have severely messed with him or the continuum in the past. He seemed genuinely worried for the first time on that show.
You're Right! That was never explained :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 29, 2015, 10:09:55 AM
Got me in the mood..
I'm watching Deja Q .. Guinan stabbing Q with a fork :D :D

The one thing I always wanted but never got out of TNG...an explanation of why Guinan scared Q. Check his eyes and posture once he recognizes her, Guinan somehow must have severely messed with him or the continuum in the past. He seemed genuinely worried for the first time on that show.
You're Right! That was never explained :o

I never thought about that before, what was it Q said to Picard?  Something about "you have no idea who you've let on board".
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Post by: RoninFox on June 29, 2015, 10:14:03 AM
Got me in the mood..
I'm watching Deja Q .. Guinan stabbing Q with a fork :D :D

The one thing I always wanted but never got out of TNG...an explanation of why Guinan scared Q. Check his eyes and posture once he recognizes her, Guinan somehow must have severely messed with him or the continuum in the past. He seemed genuinely worried for the first time on that show.
You're Right! That was never explained :o

I never thought about that before, what was it Q said to Picard?  Something about "you have no idea who you've let on board".

Guinan mentioned that they had "dealings" in the past and Q responded, "Those dealings were two centuries ago. This creature is not what she appears to be. She's an Imp, and where she goes, trouble always follows."
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Post by: RVR II on June 29, 2015, 10:19:40 AM
Got me in the mood..
I'm watching Deja Q .. Guinan stabbing Q with a fork :D :D

The one thing I always wanted but never got out of TNG...an explanation of why Guinan scared Q. Check his eyes and posture once he recognizes her, Guinan somehow must have severely messed with him or the continuum in the past. He seemed genuinely worried for the first time on that show.
You're Right! That was never explained :o

I never thought about that before, what was it Q said to Picard?  Something about "you have no idea who you've let on board".

Guinan mentioned that they had "dealings" in the past and Q responded, "Those dealings were two centuries ago. This creature is not what she appears to be. She's an Imp, and where she goes, trouble always follows."
Probably because she could block or alter his powers in some way ???
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 29, 2015, 06:17:02 PM
Thats something that should have remained vague.  Same with Garak in DS9, we never should have learned anything definite about his connections to the Obsidian Order. 
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Post by: RVR II on June 29, 2015, 06:55:39 PM
Watching Sins of the Father and Redemption..  :o
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 29, 2015, 07:07:06 PM
I am watching Reunion.
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Post by: RVR II on June 29, 2015, 07:25:59 PM
I am watching Reunion.
I don't know why I skipped over that one ???
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 29, 2015, 07:58:08 PM
I know.  Considering the events of Reunion directly lead into Redemption.
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Post by: RVR II on June 29, 2015, 08:03:38 PM
I know.  Considering the events of Reunion directly lead into Redemption.
maybe tomorrow ;D
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 30, 2015, 10:38:56 AM
I will be watching Redemption this evening.
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Post by: RVR II on June 30, 2015, 10:44:30 AM
I will be watching Redemption this evening.
Watching a few Season 1 episodes now..
Farpoint
Naked Now
& Last Outpost
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 30, 2015, 10:59:10 AM
Those are some terrible episodes.
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Post by: RVR II on June 30, 2015, 11:00:04 AM
Those are some terrible episodes.
Yeah they are :D :D
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2015, 01:05:43 PM
Those are some terrible episodes.
Yeah they are :D :D

Then why are you watching them?  I think there are only 3 or 4 I ever re-watch from season 1.
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Post by: RVR II on June 30, 2015, 01:08:13 PM
Those are some terrible episodes.
Yeah they are :D :D

Then why are you watching them?  I think there are only 3 or 4 I ever re-watch from season 1.
I just skipped all the way to the last episode 'Neutral Zone' and now we got a storm in the vicinity..
I'll move onto Season 2 afterwards 8)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2015, 01:13:31 PM
Those are some terrible episodes.
Yeah they are :D :D

Then why are you watching them?  I think there are only 3 or 4 I ever re-watch from season 1.
I just skipped all the way to the last episode 'Neutral Zone' and now we got a storm in the vicinity..
I'll move onto Season 2 afterwards 8)

That one is mostly good (some out of character behavior that makes it kind of odd in places).
The one with the Bynars is good.
The one with the terraformers is OK.
The one with Lore is OK.

There's maybe 2 or 3 other watchable ones, but that's about it.
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 30, 2015, 01:14:30 PM
Its surprising such a great show came from such a terrible first season.  There is may 2 episodes I would watch from season 1.  I do like the season finale, The Neutral Zone.  Nice foreshadowing of the Borg.
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 30, 2015, 01:23:26 PM
Currently watching, The Drumhead.

Another Tour de force for Patrick Stewart.
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Post by: RVR II on June 30, 2015, 01:43:39 PM
OOPS! Disc 6 of Season 1 from the original series just arrived..
Gotta rip that and watch them instead :o
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 30, 2015, 02:43:50 PM
Now watching, The Mind's Eye

"You swear well Picard, you must have Klingon blood in you."
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Post by: RVR II on June 30, 2015, 06:13:53 PM
Ok now back to TNG: Measure of a Man :o
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Post by: Sideswipe on June 30, 2015, 06:38:46 PM
Now watching, Redemption part 1.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2015, 07:58:54 PM
Ok now back to TNG: Measure of a Man :o

The extended version on the Blu-Ray set is even more awesome.

I just watched Ensign Ro and Disaster, great episodes. 

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Post by: Sideswipe on June 30, 2015, 08:07:42 PM
Darmok and Jillad at Tanagra.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2015, 08:52:28 PM
Dharma and Greg at a coffee shop...   ;D

While that is a great episode, it requires considerable suspension of disbelief. 
Come on, 2 technologically advanced civilizations like that would not have that problem.  So many tools available to exchange images and link them to words/phrases.  You don't try to communicate for the first time in a foreign language by simply saying words to the other party.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2015, 09:00:31 PM
Just looked at the TNG episodes on Netflix, they are still the DVD rips, so Amazon must have gotten an exclusive deal to stream the HD versions.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2015, 09:33:46 PM
On the contrary, it's a far more realistic depiction of the problems inherent in translation.

We're not talking about old or unused languages.  We are talking about highly advanced space faring people, to not understand a single word is not realistic, exchanging basic scientific theories would at least get them figuring out some words and phrases.  And both sides still have to teach their children, trading basic learning programs would fill in even more.  They've got powerful computers running their ships, letting them talk to each other for a few seconds would probably do the trick. The stuff the 2 captains learn on the planet wasn't that hard to figure out, certainly didn't require the massive threat to their lives to accomplish it.

The acting it great and the overall story is great, but the premise is pretty thin for the time period.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 30, 2015, 11:27:35 PM
On the contrary, it's a far more realistic depiction of the problems inherent in translation.

We're not talking about old or unused languages.  We are talking about highly advanced space faring people, to not understand a single word is not realistic, exchanging basic scientific theories would at least get them figuring out some words and phrases.  And both sides still have to teach their children, trading basic learning programs would fill in even more.  They've got powerful computers running their ships, letting them talk to each other for a few seconds would probably do the trick. The stuff the 2 captains learn on the planet wasn't that hard to figure out, certainly didn't require the massive threat to their lives to accomplish it.

The acting it great and the overall story is great, but the premise is pretty thin for the time period.

Language works on a metaphorical level, not a vocabulary level.  When an ancient Greek says "fall to the crows," that means nothing when you translate the words. What it really means is "go to hell." You have to understand the cultural history behind the literal meanings of the words to advance beyond a basic level of understanding.  Everyday language is laced with metaphor and allusion. 

That's on ONE planet, where we're the same species, and even sometimes within a single language family.

To pretend that a device can instantly pick up on this difference between two different species who evolved on two completely different worlds is far, far harder to believe.  This is a case-study in why the universal translator wouldn't really work.

You are thinking too high level.

I'm talking about very basic communication that they didn't seem to have, kindergarten level language.  A very young child's text book doesn't have a lot of cultural background in it.   You're saying if you looked at a 1st grade reading comprehension book from a language you never heard of you couldn't pick up anything from it?  Both sides exchanging that level of information should lead to some rudimentary communication, the federation had been at it for a century.

I could see if they were having issues trying to write a treaty, that would be more plausible than no ability to communicate at all.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 02, 2015, 09:03:00 PM
On Hobbytalk someone posted some composite shots of a Star Trek model using a laser pointer, so thought I'd give it a shot.

They are composites of 3 images: room lights on with model lights off, room lights off with model lights on, and all lights off with the laser pointer on.


This one came out the best:
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/Big_E_Build/bigEphaserhigh.jpg)

The beam didn't expose well enough in this shot, so had to cut and paste it seperately after increasing image brightness a crazy amount:
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/Big_E_Build/bigEphaserlow2.jpg)

Pretty cool to do a practical effect shot.  If I still had a darkroom I probably could have done this using film, back a lifetime ago I played around with cardboard masks and multiple exposures in the enlarger.
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Post by: RVR II on July 03, 2015, 05:26:08 AM
That's pretty cool! :o
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Post by: RVR II on July 03, 2015, 09:43:20 AM
More TNG episodes for today's schedule.. :o

Just watched 'The Enemy'
Now watching 'The Defector'
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Post by: soguru on July 05, 2015, 04:31:50 AM
Those episodes feature... as I recall a Romulan Commander named Tomolak? He actually appeared a few times, including the finale of TNG. I think he could have been a really good character if they used him more often and developed him more, akin to somebody like Gul Dukat from DS9.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 05, 2015, 07:12:14 PM
In the last 2 days I've watched:

2 good Voyager episodes:

Pathfinder and Blink of an Eye.  Granted Pathfinder is mostly a TNG episode, but the other one is a good stand alone Voyager episode.

And from TNG:
 Hollow Pursuits (put me in the mood to watch Pathfinder)
 The Ensigns of Command
 Booby Trap
 Transfigurations
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 05, 2015, 07:29:36 PM
Season 3 is definitely where TNG found its footing.
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Post by: soguru on July 05, 2015, 08:05:49 PM
Season 3 is definitely where TNG found its footing.
Oh definitely. Who watches the Watchers? The Vengeance Factor? Allegiance, The Offspring, Yesterday's Enterprise, The Defector, Sarek, The Best of Both worlds... Season 3 makes you proud to be a TNG fan.
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Post by: RVR II on July 05, 2015, 08:11:53 PM
In the last 2 days I've watched:

2 good Voyager episodes:

Pathfinder and Blink of an Eye.  Granted Pathfinder is mostly a TNG episode, but the other one is a good stand alone Voyager episode.

Listening to QuipTracks and Ice On Mars iRiff of ST Voyager 'The 37's'; Season 2 Episode 1 that was released today..
Funny stuff! :D :D
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 05, 2015, 08:33:43 PM
In the last 2 days I've watched:

2 good Voyager episodes:

Pathfinder and Blink of an Eye.  Granted Pathfinder is mostly a TNG episode, but the other one is a good stand alone Voyager episode.

Listening to QuipTracks and Ice On Mars iRiff of ST Voyager 'The 37's'; Season 2 Episode 1 that was released today..
Funny stuff! :D :D

People seem to dislike that episode for some reason, I always liked it, I thought Sharon Lawrence was pretty great in it.  Granted there's a lot of filler, and the truck in the cargo bay scene is pretty stupid, but I liked all the stuff after they thaw out the 37s....
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Post by: RVR II on July 05, 2015, 08:43:47 PM
In the last 2 days I've watched:

2 good Voyager episodes:

Pathfinder and Blink of an Eye.  Granted Pathfinder is mostly a TNG episode, but the other one is a good stand alone Voyager episode.

Listening to QuipTracks and Ice On Mars iRiff of ST Voyager 'The 37's'; Season 2 Episode 1 that was released today..
Funny stuff! :D :D

People seem to dislike that episode for some reason, I always liked it, I thought Sharon Lawrence was pretty great in it.  Granted there's a lot of filler, and the truck in the cargo bay scene is pretty stupid, but I liked all the stuff after they thaw out the 37s....
It's strange seeing Tackleberry (David Graf) from Police Academys..
He also played a Klingon called Leskit in the fifth season episode "Soldiers of the Empire" back in DS9 :o
He passed away back in April, 2001 from the same heart condition that killed his father. Freaky :speechless:
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 05, 2015, 08:55:30 PM
I remember Soldiers of the empire quite well.  I had no idea Leskit was Tackleberry. 
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Post by: soguru on July 05, 2015, 10:18:55 PM
I just watched "The Emissary" the other day and I still think it's easily the best pilot episode of any Trek series.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 06, 2015, 06:17:43 AM
I am going to take some heat for this, but I actually think Enterprises "Broken Bow" is the best pilot.  It has a good story and much better pacing.
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Post by: RVR II on July 06, 2015, 06:55:46 AM
I am going to take some heat for this, but I actually think Enterprises "Broken Bow" is the best pilot.  It has a good story and much better pacing.
WHAAAAA ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I've only seen it once so not enough to give an honest opinion about it ;D
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Post by: soguru on July 06, 2015, 07:53:22 AM
I am going to take some heat for this, but I actually think Enterprises "Broken Bow" is the best pilot.  It has a good story and much better pacing.
You know what's ironic Sideswipe?! Good story? better pacing? Both of those things apply to 2009's Star Trek.  :)
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 06, 2015, 07:56:18 AM
Good story, no.  Better pacing? Compared to what?  The Motion Picture, I guess so.
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Post by: soguru on July 06, 2015, 07:57:35 AM
Good story, no.  Better pacing? Compared to what?  The Motion Picture, I guess so.

I guess it's a matter of opinion.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 06, 2015, 08:03:23 AM
Think about it, for all the shit people give to Nemesis, 2009 pretty much recycles the same story.  A crazy person in a giant super ship wants to destroy Earth.  And then they do another giant super ship AGAIN in STD.
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Post by: soguru on July 06, 2015, 08:38:18 AM
Think about it, for all the shit people give to Nemesis, 2009 pretty much recycles the same story.  A crazy person in a giant super ship wants to destroy Earth.  And then they do another giant super ship AGAIN in STD.
I think you are overgeneralizing just a little.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 06, 2015, 09:15:30 AM
I was re-watching some Twilight Zone episodes and realized Yesterday's Enterprise stole the story from one of those, the one where a WWI pilot lands at a US air base in France in 1959 after skipping out on his partner during a dog fight with several German planes. 
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Post by: soguru on July 06, 2015, 02:52:35 PM
I was re-watching some Twilight Zone episodes and realized Yesterday's Enterprise stole the story from one of those, the one where a WWI pilot lands at a US air base in France in 1959 after skipping out on his partner during a dog fight with several German planes.
Twlight Zone and classic Star Trek have been two of only a handful of TV series that have aged pretty gracefully... but Twilight Zone to a greater extent.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 06, 2015, 02:55:49 PM
Think about it, for all the shit people give to Nemesis, 2009 pretty much recycles the same story.  A crazy person in a giant super ship wants to destroy Earth.  And then they do another giant super ship AGAIN in STD.
I think you are overgeneralizing just a little.

I dont
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 06, 2015, 04:11:22 PM
The Cage was the best pilot, groundbreaking for it's time, is still a great episode to watch today, lots of cool ideas thrown around.
The DS9 one is probably second, I liked DS9 way more early on, before it turned into endless war that I got sick of.
The Enterprise one would be third, if only for the exchanges between Archer and the Vulcans.
STTNG 4th
Voyager 5th

4th and 5th are seriously "meh" episodes, STTNG only wins for nostalgia reasons, having Star Trek back on weekly TV after so long, and it has McCoy and Q.
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Post by: soguru on July 06, 2015, 05:20:55 PM
Sideswipe, you may not realize it but you can be very hurtful some times.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 06, 2015, 05:24:49 PM
Try not to take things like Star Trek personally, but yes I am aware I am not a very likable person.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 06, 2015, 10:47:01 PM
Watched:

A Fistfull of Datas
Thine Own Self
Imaginary Friend
Relics
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Post by: soguru on July 07, 2015, 12:33:10 PM
The end of the Final DS9 episode "What you leave behind" was for me very reminiscent of the ending of The Empire Strikes Back. I always admired that. It was so bittersweet.
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Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2015, 01:25:50 PM
Just got disc 1 of Season 2 of The Original Series on Blu-Ray so I'll be watching that one for a while ;D
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Post by: soguru on July 07, 2015, 01:43:13 PM
Just got disc 1 of Season 2 of The Original Series on Blu-Ray so I'll be watching that one for a while ;D
I believe Amok time is on there? That has always been seen as one of the very best of the original series, right up there with City on the Edge of Forever and Journey To Babel.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 07, 2015, 01:53:06 PM
Is The Doomsday Machine on disc 1?   That one in awesome and probably benefits the most from the remastered special effects making it even more awesome, but it's episode 6 so it might be on disc 2.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 07, 2015, 01:54:21 PM
Balance of Terror was pretty well done too.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 07, 2015, 01:58:20 PM
Balance of Terror was pretty well done too.

Season one did have several really good "facing the unknown" episodes: The Corbomite Maneuver, Balance of Terror, Devil in the Dark.
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Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Season 2 Disc one has the following episodes..
"Amok Time,"
"Who Mourns for Adonais?,"
"The Changeling"
and "Mirror, Mirror."
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Post by: soguru on July 07, 2015, 02:06:30 PM
The Changeling and Who Mourns for Adonais were especially important in their own ways in advancing our views of certain cultural ideas.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 07, 2015, 02:11:11 PM
Mirror, Mirror is a classic.  You could forget evil Spock?
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Post by: soguru on July 07, 2015, 02:13:26 PM
Mirror, Mirror is a classic.  You could forget evil Spock?
No, it's a great episode and a sci-fi classic, it's just not as culturally significant as some other episodes.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 07, 2015, 02:17:51 PM
Haha, oops.  You = Who.
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Post by: soguru on July 07, 2015, 02:22:55 PM
Haha, oops.  You = Who.
It's all good.  :)
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Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2015, 02:40:21 PM
The Changeling and Who Mourns for Adonais were especially important in their own ways in advancing our views of certain cultural ideas.
CHEKOV!! There he is (Finally) :o
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Post by: soguru on July 07, 2015, 03:56:03 PM
The Changeling and Who Mourns for Adonais were especially important in their own ways in advancing our views of certain cultural ideas.
CHEKOV!! There he is (Finally) :o
But where in the hell is his gun? Oh, that's right, he left it on the Enterprise of the 20th century.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 07, 2015, 04:14:47 PM
There were at least 3 20th century Enterprises.
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Post by: soguru on July 07, 2015, 04:39:34 PM
There were at least 3 20th century Enterprises.
How am I supposed to know there were that many? I also expected everyone would know what I'm talking about anyway.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 07, 2015, 04:42:59 PM
The Enterprise CVN-65 is part of the Atlantic fleet, so it never would have been across the bay in Alameda.
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Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2015, 04:50:56 PM
The Enterprise CVN-65 is part of the Atlantic fleet, so it never would have been across the bay in Alameda.
To talk to whales I suppose :P
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 07, 2015, 04:52:22 PM
Thats just crazy talk.
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Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2015, 04:57:54 PM
Thats just crazy talk.
Oh yeah?! Well what about that Space Shuttle then? Huh?? Yeah! That one?? :o
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 07, 2015, 05:03:13 PM
It never went into space.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 07, 2015, 05:21:42 PM
As far as I can tell CVN-65 was only in Alameda, CA once, in September of 1989, at the start of a 6 month around the world cruise that ended in Norfolk, VA

It never went into space.

That bugged me until the accidents, then I changed my mind to thinking I'd rather have the one named Enterprise be the atmospheric test ship that is in a museum than be one of the ones that blew up.

Oh, in the book for Star Trek IV they explain that all the stuff Chekov left behind was deactivated remotely, and the guy in charge of the investigation threw it all away not wanting to explain all the strange events (an attempt in the book to add a little more humor, that part really didn't work).
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Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2015, 05:24:26 PM
It never went into space.
PFFT! You're moving the goal-posts  :-X
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 07, 2015, 05:25:06 PM
As far as I can tell CVN-65 was only in Alameda, CA once, in September of 1989, at the start of a 6 month around the world cruise that ended in Norfolk, VA

It never went into space.

That bugged me until the accidents, then I changed my mind to thinking I'd rather have the one named Enterprise be the atmospheric test ship that is in a museum than be one of the ones that blew up.

Oh, in the book for Star Trek IV they explain that all the stuff Chekov left behind was deactivated remotely, and the guy in charge of the investigation threw it all away not wanting to explain all the strange events (an attempt in the book to add a little more humor, that part really didn't work).

In the Eugenics Wars books Roberta Lincoln stole them.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 07, 2015, 05:25:52 PM
It never went into space.
PFFT! You're moving the goal-posts  :-X

Yeah, that makes as much sense as Dans claim.
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Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2015, 05:29:09 PM
It never went into space.
PFFT! You're moving the goal-posts  :-X

Yeah, that makes as much sense as Dans claim.
:D :D
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 07, 2015, 05:33:40 PM
I guess deployment lists don't include the home base, CVN-65 did operate out of Alameda for a few years during the late 60s.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 07, 2015, 05:35:02 PM
Well then, I stand corrected.
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Post by: soguru on July 07, 2015, 10:26:38 PM
I'm so interested in seeing Idris Elba as the bad guy in the next film. That guy is amazing. They said he's not going to be a Klingon but my theory is he'll be a Klingon who doesn't look like a Klingon a la TOS.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 08, 2015, 12:39:06 AM
Well, everyone knows I won't watch anything in the new timeline, but I'm real happy that they finished shooting Luther season 4 (or the miniseries, what ever they are calling it), and it's going to air in the fall.
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Post by: soguru on July 08, 2015, 10:04:57 AM
The Drumhead is actually one of my favorite episodes of TNG. It's surprisingly bereft of action but it's got great drama intertwined with themes of politics, racism, conspiracy theories and a great deal of character development of both Picard and Worf.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 08, 2015, 10:20:44 AM
I watched it a 10 or so days ago and posted my thoughts.  Patrick Stewart gives a top notch performance in that episode.
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Post by: RVR II on July 08, 2015, 10:27:20 AM
Patrick Stewart gives a top notch performance in that episode.
Indeed! :clap:
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 08, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Patrick Stewart gives a top notch performance in that episode.
Indeed! :clap:

It's interesting to compare his performances in Drumhead and Measure of a Man.  The longer time playing the character is apparent in Drumhead.
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Post by: RVR II on July 08, 2015, 10:44:15 AM
Patrick Stewart gives a top notch performance in that episode.
Indeed! :clap:

It's interesting to compare his performances in Drumhead and Measure of a Man.  The longer time playing the character is apparent in Drumhead.
Yeah that's an accurate assessment as well :o
Those are a couple of my favorite episodes
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 08, 2015, 10:57:43 AM
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

It is a well written episode.
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Post by: soguru on July 08, 2015, 12:18:57 PM
It is impressively deep without being the least bit boring.

I have a soft spot for the episode "Data's Day", which finds our favorite android again trying to comprehend human emotions and interactions, with the B-plot being a mystery about a Vulcan ambassador conducting negotiations with the Romulans.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on July 12, 2015, 02:25:17 PM
Finally getting around to watching disc 2 of Season 2 Star Trek TOS Blu-Ray..
I, Mudd was a rather bizarre episode ???
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Post by: soguru on July 12, 2015, 02:42:17 PM
Finally getting around to watching disc 2 of Season 2 Star Trek TOS Blu-Ray..
I, Mudd was a rather bizarre episode ???
Yes it was. I found it rather hilarious though.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 15, 2015, 04:34:20 PM
Watched First Contact (the episode not the movie) and The Wounded.

So, did O'Brien have that large a part in any other TNG episode besides The Wounded?  I can't think of any. 
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on July 15, 2015, 04:50:08 PM
Watched First Contact (the episode not the movie) and The Wounded.

So, did O'Brien have that large a part in any other TNG episode besides The Wounded?  I can't think of any.
I don't think so but that episode had to have helped him become a regular on DS9 :o

He should have had a bigger part in Die Hard 2 :P
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Post by: soguru on July 15, 2015, 06:58:29 PM
Yes. He was just a plane pilot... and then for
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In fact, I really wish they would have cut down that whole sequence with British Airways, way too much heart-wrenching pathos for me. It was almost like the movie was crossing action film territory into straight up horror. Never liked that part.
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Post by: RVR II on July 15, 2015, 07:00:07 PM
Yes. He was just a plane pilot... and then for
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In fact, I really wish they would have cut down that whole sequence with British Airways, way too much heart-wrenching pathos for me. It was almost like the movie was crossing action film territory into straight up horror. Never liked that part.
Yeah I would agree with that..
Loved Die Hard 1 but not so much Die Hard 2 and it may be for that reason..
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Post by: soguru on July 15, 2015, 07:02:39 PM
Loved Die Hard 1 but not so much Die Hard 2 and it may be for that reason..
Alan Rickman was a much better villain too than William Sadler.

William Sadler played DS9 Baddie Sloan.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on July 15, 2015, 07:06:59 PM
Watched First Contact (the episode not the movie) and The Wounded.

So, did O'Brien have that large a part in any other TNG episode besides The Wounded?  I can't think of any. 


He had a Decent sized role in "Disaster" and "Power Play" as well and minor parts in many different episodes.
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Post by: soguru on July 15, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
He had a Decent sized role in "Disaster" and "Power Play" as well and minor parts in many different episodes.
Both were solid episodes, but Power Play was a bit better. It also didn't have any annoying kids... except for O'Brian and Keiko's infant child.
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Post by: RVR II on July 15, 2015, 07:32:44 PM
He had a Decent sized role in "Disaster" and "Power Play" as well and minor parts in many different episodes.
Both were solid episodes, but Power Play was a bit better. It also didn't have any annoying kids... except for O'Brian and Keiko's infant child.
Yeah I forgot about those episodes..
May need to go back and re-watch them :o
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Post by: soguru on July 15, 2015, 07:40:08 PM
Yeah I forgot about those episodes..
May need to go back and re-watch them :o
Season 5 was filled with quite a few classics: Redemption, Darmok, Ensign Ro, Unification, The Outcast, Cause and Effect, The First Duty, I Borg, the Inner Light and Time's Arrow part 1. Those are all episodes that definitely warrant repeat viewings.
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Post by: RVR II on July 15, 2015, 07:43:44 PM
Yeah I forgot about those episodes..
May need to go back and re-watch them :o
Season 5 was filled with quite a few classics: Redemption, Darmok, Ensign Ro, Unification, The Outcast, Cause and Effect, The First Duty, I Borg, the Inner Light and Time's Arrow part 1. Those are all episodes that definitely warrant repeat viewings.
Yeah those were all great episodes
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 15, 2015, 07:46:21 PM
I forgot about Power Play, yes he did have a lot to do in that one, in Disaster he had more than his normal couple of lines but it he was still pretty much in the background adding a few ideas while Ro and Diana argued.
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Post by: soguru on July 15, 2015, 07:48:08 PM
When i was younger and well... now, frankly I found Ensign Ro to be VERY sexy. For me she was probably the sexiest character on Star Trek.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on July 18, 2015, 12:30:43 PM
I can agree with some of this..
http://entertain-o-rama.com/6-reasons-star-trek-voyager-was-unsuccessful/
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 18, 2015, 12:47:04 PM
The bullshit they pulled out of their asses to get away with using the holodeck all the time kind of pissed me off.  "The holodeck runs off of its separate power system that we cant tap into to use with our other shit."  WTF lazy Voyager writers? 
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 18, 2015, 01:15:54 PM
I can agree with some of this..
http://entertain-o-rama.com/6-reasons-star-trek-voyager-was-unsuccessful/

#1 I'd agree with somewhat.  Janeway was not written well as a captain, but that was a failing of most of the bridge crew (see 3 and 4)...

2 is just plain wrong

3 is wrong about the racist part, but correct about the underdeveloped character part.

4 is somewhat correct, the main bridge crew were the least interesting characters.  Not sure what they were trying to say about ensign Kim, he had very few episodes where he was interesting, rest of the time he was boring as heck.  When your most interesting episodes involve secondary characters or even guest stars, that's a problem.

5 is the only one I'd agree with completely.  They sold the show on a premise of a ship having to survive by any means necessary trying to get home and it ended up most of the time not being all that different from what would be happening on a ship on the edges of federation space.

6 is stupid, they didn't spend "most" of their episodes in the holodeck.  And it's a space ship, there's supposed to be technology used.  Did the people writing that article forget that it is science fiction.

I agree with Sideswipe, the whole holodeck having it's own unique power supply was stupid, Scotty or Geordi would have figured out a way to use that power supply...
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on July 18, 2015, 01:25:43 PM
My sentiments exactly :o
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 18, 2015, 01:29:57 PM
It was a great idea having a crew made up of Starfleet and Maquis, if written well it would have had lots of potential for drama and tension.  They just gave up on it though by about 5 episodes in with the exception of Torres and even then they were one big happy family by the time the first season season ended. 
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 08:54:01 AM
Just watched, In the Pale Moonlight(possible Batman reference??).  It is a fantastic episode, with outstanding performances by Avery Brooks and Andrew J. Robinson.  Stephen McHattie makes a damn good Romulan also as Senator "It's a faaaaaake!" Vreenak.  Garak is a great character and I love his monologue at the end of the episode.

"That's why you came to me, isn't it, Captain? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren't capable of doing? Well, it worked. And you'll get what you want: a war between the Romulans and the Dominion. And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant. And all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal, and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain."
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2015, 10:13:53 AM
After I get finished with getting all the original series blu-rays ripped, I'm gonna go on another DS9 marathon; from beginning to end 8)
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
There you go.  Good times await.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 02:12:32 PM
After I get finished with getting all the original series blu-rays ripped, I'm gonna go on another DS9 marathon; from beginning to end 8)

Maybe we should watch them together and do some commentaries for youtube or something?
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2015, 02:20:38 PM
After I get finished with getting all the original series blu-rays ripped, I'm gonna go on another DS9 marathon; from beginning to end 8)

Maybe we should watch them together and do some commentaries for youtube or something?
That's a cool idea but I'm real skittish about their copyright BS..
Already have several dozen videos flagged for background music and just last week I'm on a 'Monetization suspension' that I'm currently appealing..
I am not collecting a single cent of revenue right now because of what they call 'Invalid Click Activity'.. :o
Haven't mentioned this till now :-[
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 03:01:18 PM
Thats why we do it rifftrax style, it will just be us talking.
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Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2015, 03:09:17 PM
Thats why we do it rifftrax style, it will just be us talking.
How can this be done?
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 03:19:28 PM
We watch it at the same time on Netflix and talk to each other over skype and one of us records the conversation.
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Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2015, 03:36:48 PM
We watch it at the same time on Netflix and talk to each other over skype and one of us records the conversation.
ooo.. I can't get streaming because of my local ISP monitoring my data usage..
I've been warned by them a few times for both upload and download overages and they've even threatened to cancel my service..
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 03:39:27 PM
Data caps are totally fucking lame.  I dont know then how we would do it...
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Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2015, 03:42:42 PM
Data caps are totally fucking lame.  I dont know then how we would do it...
Maybe if it was once in a while er something..
I'm definitely up for trying to do something with this maybe in iRiff fashion even :o
Let me look into this data cap sitiation on my end..
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 03:43:55 PM
Can you skype?
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Post by: soguru on July 20, 2015, 03:44:26 PM
"In the Pale Moonlight" is probably the best episode of Star Trek DS9. If not, it certainly ranks up there with the likes of Waltz, Duet, Apocalypse Rising, The Search, Past Tense, the Die is Cast, Return to Grace, and all the other hundred or so other great DS9 episodes.
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Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2015, 03:45:18 PM
Can you skype?
Yeah I have Skype.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 04:06:43 PM
We can try and sync up episodes on DVD.  My mom has most of the show on DVD, unfortunately she doesnt have season 2 though.
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Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2015, 04:27:02 PM
We can try and sync up episodes on DVD.  My mom has most of the show on DVD, unfortunately she doesnt have season 2 though.
Hmm.. I'm willing to give it a shot. :o
Maybe we could try a recording of the first episode 'The Emissary' and see how it goes.. Work out any bugs and then do an iRiff of it.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 04:54:28 PM
I was thinking more of just bullshitting about the episode, our thoughts and observations.  It wouldnt need to be perfectly synced to each other...
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Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2015, 05:31:08 PM
I was thinking more of just bullshitting about the episode, our thoughts and observations.  It wouldnt need to be perfectly synced to each other...
We could do that :o
Kinda like what you guys did in Harass Bastards.. Off the fly type riffs.
Those were pretty funny actually :D
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 05:44:14 PM
Yeah, definitely.  I miss the Harass Bastards, haha.
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Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2015, 05:56:05 PM
Yeah, definitely.  I miss the Harass Bastards, haha.
Excellent! Since I have no clue how you guys do your iRiffs, do you want to record the audio track?
I have a cheap pair of headphones with a speaker that I use for my gaming vids on my RVR2.0 channel..
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 06:05:28 PM
I dont just want to make fun of it, though when there are parts that are silly by all means.  It was Ortega who did all the hard stuff, I dont know exactly what the process is. 
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 20, 2015, 06:45:15 PM
I am not collecting a single cent of revenue right now because of what they call 'Invalid Click Activity'.. :o

Ouch, from what I've read getting Google to reverse that is almost impossible.  It's also kind of crappy, if someone wants to shut down your revenue stream all they have to do is set up an account that looks like one of your relatives and click away...
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Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2015, 06:58:41 PM
I dont just want to make fun of it, though when there are parts that are silly by all means.  It was Ortega who did all the hard stuff, I dont know exactly what the process is.
Oh.. :o
Do you still keep in contact with him? Maybe he could lend a helping hand in that area :-\
I am not collecting a single cent of revenue right now because of what they call 'Invalid Click Activity'.. :o

Ouch, from what I've read getting Google to reverse that is almost impossible.  It's also kind of crappy, if someone wants to shut down your revenue stream all they have to do is set up an account that looks like one of your relatives and click away...
Yeah I am stressing big time about this.. I was paying my mortgage with that income and now if I can't get my monetization reactivated, I'm gonna have to find a job quick!
The YouTube Partnership rep I've been dealing with seems to think I will be able to get this straightened out but each day that passes is lost revenue that I probably won't get reimbersed  :-[
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 20, 2015, 07:00:16 PM
No, I havent heard from him in a while.
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Post by: RoninFox on July 21, 2015, 09:19:42 AM
Just watched, In the Pale Moonlight(possible Batman reference??).  It is a fantastic episode, with outstanding performances by Avery Brooks and Andrew J. Robinson.  Stephen McHattie makes a damn good Romulan also as Senator "It's a faaaaaake!" Vreenak.  Garak is a great character and I love his monologue at the end of the episode.

"That's why you came to me, isn't it, Captain? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren't capable of doing? Well, it worked. And you'll get what you want: a war between the Romulans and the Dominion. And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant. And all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal, and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain."

Pretty sure that is a direct Batman reference, as Sisko did have a "Dance with the Devil" in the episode. I watched this for the first time in years a few months ago and I think it took its place as my favorite DS9 ep. That dialog from Garak and Sisko's final "I can live with it" personal log were fantastic moments.

Even though I enjoy the rebooted Star Trek, I will say that if you want to make a "dark" Trek story, more of this is the best way to go.
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Post by: soguru on July 21, 2015, 11:36:10 AM
Maybe... but it wasn't too far off from what the Federation was doing in Into Darkness. The only real difference was the method by which they were doing it. Sloan was using a weapon of a more subtle nature, a mere DNA sequence to destroy the founders. Marcus was going to use the equivalent of hyper powered nuclear devices and of course taking the rather loathsome step of holding a person's family hostage, threatening them with death unless they do as they're told. In a way, I felt even more conflicted about Khan in those circumstances because you identified with him even more as a character than when he was a straight up villain in the other timeline with rather simplistic motivations.
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Post by: RVR II on July 21, 2015, 01:25:01 PM
Disc 4 of Season 2 of The Original Series Blu-Ray disc is nothing but Tribbles ???
The original episode, the Animated episode, and the DS9 episode - and they didn't even bother to 'Blu-Ray' the DS9 episode at all; just left it standard definition ::)
Oh and some chatting with the producers and such..
I feel cheated on this one for some reason >:(
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 21, 2015, 02:29:58 PM
Disc 4 of Season 2 of The Original Series Blu-Ray disc is nothing but Tribbles ???
The original episode, the Animated episode, and the DS9 episode - and they didn't even bother to 'Blu-Ray' the DS9 episode at all; just left it standard definition ::)
Oh and some chatting with the producers and such..
I feel cheated on this one for some reason >:(

They did put some non-tribble extras on there.  I think they had so many extras to include for season 2 they spread them out over a lot of discs instead of just a couple like the other sets.  Even if you got rid of the animated and DS9 shows there's still not enough room left to drop it down to a 6 disc set.  That disc is sort of the "filler" disc in the set.
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Post by: RVR II on July 21, 2015, 02:36:16 PM
Disc 4 of Season 2 of The Original Series Blu-Ray disc is nothing but Tribbles ???
The original episode, the Animated episode, and the DS9 episode - and they didn't even bother to 'Blu-Ray' the DS9 episode at all; just left it standard definition ::)
Oh and some chatting with the producers and such..
I feel cheated on this one for some reason >:(

They did put some non-tribble extras on there.  I think they had so many extras to include for season 2 they spread them out over a lot of discs instead of just a couple like the other sets.  Even if you got rid of the animated and DS9 shows there's still not enough room left to drop it down to a 6 disc set.  That disc is sort of the "filler" disc in the set.
More like a 'Tribble Filler' to me..
Kinda like the last disc of some of the TNG seasons.. I felt there was just a lot of space that never got filled :-\
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Post by: RoninFox on July 22, 2015, 09:09:55 AM
Maybe... but it wasn't too far off from what the Federation was doing in Into Darkness. The only real difference was the method by which they were doing it. Sloan was using a weapon of a more subtle nature, a mere DNA sequence to destroy the founders. Marcus was going to use the equivalent of hyper powered nuclear devices and of course taking the rather loathsome step of holding a person's family hostage, threatening them with death unless they do as they're told. In a way, I felt even more conflicted about Khan in those circumstances because you identified with him even more as a character than when he was a straight up villain in the other timeline with rather simplistic motivations.

I think you're thinking of a different DS9 episode. "In the Pale Moonlight" is the episode where Sisko tries to draw the Romulans into the war with false holographic records and the conspiracy and coverup around it.
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Post by: soguru on July 23, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
One of the best episodes of DS9 is "The Magnificent Ferengi"... or as I like to call it, "Weekend at Empok Nor". I'm sorry, that's a terrible joke.
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 23, 2015, 05:40:13 AM
Well I call "Starship Mine" "Star Hard".
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Post by: RVR II on July 23, 2015, 06:04:03 AM
Well I call "The Naked Now", "The Frozen Stiffy" :-X
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 23, 2015, 06:05:26 AM
I dont get that reference...
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Post by: RVR II on July 23, 2015, 06:17:29 AM
I dont get that reference...
On the ship before the hatch was blown it sounded like an orgy then everybody was frozen stiff afterwards.. Beavis and Butthead's stiffy reference :P
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 23, 2015, 06:37:49 AM
Thats pretty lame, RVR.
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Post by: RVR II on July 23, 2015, 06:39:53 AM
Thats pretty lame, RVR.
Spock agrees with you
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/giphyspock_zpskufnya1r.gif) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/giphyspock_zpskufnya1r.gif.html)
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 23, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
Most logical.
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Post by: soguru on July 23, 2015, 06:35:46 PM
Instead of "The Outrageous Okona", I liked to call it "The not really fucking funny at all Okona".
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Post by: RVR II on July 23, 2015, 06:37:39 PM
What original episode would this most reflect..
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/tumblr_n6r8b62SJC1tbhzz6o1_400_zpsywthb3lv.gif) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/tumblr_n6r8b62SJC1tbhzz6o1_400_zpsywthb3lv.gif.html)
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Post by: Sideswipe on July 23, 2015, 06:54:20 PM
The Way to Eden?
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Post by: soguru on July 23, 2015, 07:50:25 PM
The deadly years?  ;D Turnabout intruder? All our Yesterdays?
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 25, 2015, 06:04:54 PM
Watched the Voyager episode where the doctor gets famous singing to people that never developed music.  Then the one where the doctor brings the intelligent bomb on board to help it.  Voyager at it's best usually involved the doc having a lot to do....
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on July 26, 2015, 11:36:22 AM
Watched the Voyager episode where the doctor gets famous singing to people that never developed music.  Then the one where the doctor brings the intelligent bomb on board to help it.  Voyager at it's best usually involved the doc having a lot to do....
The Doc on Voyager was okay, but I still insist Dr Bashir was the most interesting and deepest character among all the Doctors.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on July 26, 2015, 11:38:01 AM
Watched the Voyager episode where the doctor gets famous singing to people that never developed music.  Then the one where the doctor brings the intelligent bomb on board to help it.  Voyager at it's best usually involved the doc having a lot to do....
The Doc on Voyager was okay, but I still insist Dr Bashir was the most interesting and deepest character among all the Doctors.
Well Dr. Crusher was the hottest of them all :P
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Post by: soguru on July 26, 2015, 11:41:30 AM
Well Dr. Crusher was the hottest of them all :P
Dammit, I want to say I'd go gay for Bashir, but I just can't. You win the day with that statement sir.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on July 26, 2015, 11:56:26 AM
Well Dr. Crusher was the hottest of them all :P
Dammit, I want to say I'd go gay for Bashir, but I just can't. You win the day with that statement sir.
Well Kirk was proly the most 'Bad Ass' Captain..
Here's some prime examples:
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Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on July 26, 2015, 12:09:53 PM
Oh dear...  some of those have not held up very well,
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on July 26, 2015, 12:34:23 PM
Oh dear...  some of those have not held up very well,
No they haven't :D
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Post by: soguru on July 26, 2015, 12:47:44 PM
I hope TNG looks as good 100 years from now as it still does today.
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Post by: RVR II on July 26, 2015, 12:56:09 PM
I hope TNG looks as good 100 years from now as it still does today.
Yeah me too :o
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on July 26, 2015, 01:06:12 PM
By the way whatever happened with the Star Trek spin-off that was supposed to feature Worf as the main character?
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on July 26, 2015, 02:05:14 PM
By the way whatever happened with the Star Trek spin-off that was supposed to feature Worf as the main character?
It hasn't been picked up by any studio last I heard.. :-\
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on July 26, 2015, 02:26:05 PM
Its just a dream...
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Post by: RVR II on July 26, 2015, 02:45:36 PM
Its just a dream...
Then WAKE UP!!!
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Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on July 26, 2015, 04:53:44 PM
He's trying to slap the evil Captain Kirk right out of himself!
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Post by: Henry88 on July 26, 2015, 07:03:42 PM
the skin of evil was rather spooky,with the monster armus. 
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on July 26, 2015, 07:22:00 PM
There are a few spooky episodes.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on July 26, 2015, 09:52:54 PM
The TNG episode "Conspiracy" kind of spooked me as a kid but as I recall they didn't really do a whole lot to follow up from the events in it.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on August 01, 2015, 08:44:53 PM
Does anybody remember the old TNG episode "The Royale"? When I was a kid, I kind of liked it, but of course... it hasn't aged well and seeing some pretty negative reviews online it's pretty hard for me to dispute anything they say about that episode.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on August 02, 2015, 04:08:42 AM
Does anybody remember the old TNG episode "The Royale"? When I was a kid, I kind of liked it, but of course... it hasn't aged well and seeing some pretty negative reviews online it's pretty hard for me to dispute anything they say about that episode.
Well they are all wrong cause I thought it was a good episode and I rewatch it quite often 8)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on August 02, 2015, 07:23:34 AM
Its a weird one off episode, I think I like it because its a change of pace.  I havent read any of the negative reviews so I dont know what they have to say bad about it but I dont know if I would necessarily disagree with it either. 
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 02, 2015, 09:51:06 AM
I have very mixed feelings about that episode, it was cool to see the characters dealing with a strange situation, and of course Brent Spiner doing a great acting job.

But the premise is really stupid, if the aliens were advanced enough to build that simulation, and were able to understand English enough to program the characters, why didn't they ever talk to the guy or keep an eye on him to see if he was happy.  Or at the very least leave a note explaining why they were doing what they did?  They cared enough to build all that stuff but not enough to monitor it?  It just comes off as more of a Twilight Zone premise than a Star Trek one.
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Post by: Sideswipe on August 02, 2015, 10:15:49 AM
It is kinda Twilight Zone esuqe.
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Post by: soguru on August 02, 2015, 12:40:21 PM
Someone pointed out it looked very silly when they tried to leave the Royale because it appeared as though they didn't know how a revolving door works.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on August 02, 2015, 02:07:20 PM
Except they got in just fine in the first place.
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Post by: soguru on August 02, 2015, 02:40:56 PM
Yeah, you're right.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on August 02, 2015, 03:49:20 PM
Ya'know, when Ensign Ro joined the Maquis in the later part of TNG Season 7, I wonder why she wasn't brought back in DS9 like Tom Riker ???
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Post by: Sideswipe on August 02, 2015, 04:51:21 PM
No interest in bringing her back.  The Maquis really stopped being a thing after Voyager started.
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Post by: soguru on August 02, 2015, 07:30:53 PM
No interest in bringing her back.  The Maquis really stopped being a thing after Voyager started.
What was the point in making them anyway?
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on August 02, 2015, 07:36:05 PM
To try and have some drama with the mixed crew in Voyager, which could have worked really well if they had done it right.  They just got tired or bored of it after the first season or something.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 02, 2015, 07:38:06 PM
No interest in bringing her back.  The Maquis really stopped being a thing after Voyager started.
What was the point in making them anyway?

I never did understand what exactly they were fighting for. 
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on August 02, 2015, 08:16:39 PM
The Federation and the Cardassians signed a treaty and part of that treaty was new ownership of planets along the DMZ.  The Maquis were founded when Starfleet were sent in to force relocating of the inhabitants of these planets.  They rejected their Federation citizenship and are basically trying to drive the Cardassians off of the worlds they consider their homes and will harass Starfleet if they get in the way. 
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Post by: soguru on August 02, 2015, 10:13:09 PM
You know what I think could have been good is if they made an episode(a two or three-parter) of DS9 where the Cardassians wiped out the Maquis completely, despite Sisko's desire to keep things non-violent, the treaty might have tied his hands. I remember, who was it? Eddington? He betrayed and joined the Maquis but this was actually rather late in DS9's life, like around season 5 or so. If the Maquis and any particular figures we know in them died, it would have made that much more of an emotional impact, while Sisko and everybody is forced to stand by and cannot intervene for risk of all out war... I mean an even bigger war with the Dominion when the Federation was clearly not prepared for it. Against the Dominion, the Maquis would have been completely annihilated, from even the most remote agent in every corner of the universe.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: BathTub on August 02, 2015, 10:35:00 PM
Turns out a guy in my weekly Imperial Assault group wrote an episode of Star Trek TNG http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429433/
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 02, 2015, 10:36:18 PM
The Federation and the Cardassians signed a treaty and part of that treaty was new ownership of planets along the DMZ.  The Maquis were founded when Starfleet were sent in to force relocating of the inhabitants of these planets.  They rejected their Federation citizenship and are basically trying to drive the Cardassians off of the worlds they consider their homes and will harass Starfleet if they get in the way.

Yeah, so that one TNG episode was replicated on a bunch of other worlds?  All those other colonies reacted the same way?  And the one we saw on TNG the people decided to stay and live with the Cardassians, did they change their minds after the Enterprise left?  Just how many of these planets were there?   It just never added up quite right.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on August 02, 2015, 10:38:21 PM
You know what I think could have been good is if they made an episode(a two or three-parter) of DS9 where the Cardassians wiped out the Maquis completely, despite Sisko's desire to keep things non-violent, the treaty might have tied his hands. I remember, who was it? Eddington? He betrayed and joined the Maquis but this was actually rather late in DS9's life, like around season 5 or so. If the Maquis and any particular figures we know in them died, it would have made that much more of an emotional impact, while Sisko and everybody is forced to stand by and cannot intervene for risk of all out war... I mean an even bigger war with the Dominion when the Federation was clearly not prepared for it. Against the Dominion, the Maquis would have been completely annihilated, from even the most remote agent in every corner of the universe.


The Dominion did wipe out the Maquis.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on August 02, 2015, 10:39:08 PM
Pardon... forgot when it all went down.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on August 02, 2015, 10:42:17 PM
The Federation and the Cardassians signed a treaty and part of that treaty was new ownership of planets along the DMZ.  The Maquis were founded when Starfleet were sent in to force relocating of the inhabitants of these planets.  They rejected their Federation citizenship and are basically trying to drive the Cardassians off of the worlds they consider their homes and will harass Starfleet if they get in the way.

Yeah, so that one TNG episode was replicated on a bunch of other worlds?  All those other colonies reacted the same way?  And the one we saw on TNG the people decided to stay and live with the Cardassians, did they change their minds after the Enterprise left?  Just how many of these planets were there?   It just never added up quite right.

They never said how many colonies there were.  They also pulled in people like the a fore mentioned Michael Eddington that were in it for the romance and fighting for the underdog against a ruthless enemy.  It didnt seem like they were that big of an organization, they used guerrilla tactics fighting from the badlands. 
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Post by: Sideswipe on August 02, 2015, 10:43:19 PM
Pardon... forgot when it all went down.

They talk about it in the episode "Blaze of Glory".
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Post by: soguru on August 02, 2015, 10:47:06 PM
Pardon... forgot when it all went down.
They talk about it in the episode "Blaze of Glory".
Ahhh. That was the last one with Eddington as I recall.
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Post by: Sideswipe on August 02, 2015, 10:52:07 PM
Yes it was.
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Post by: soguru on August 03, 2015, 12:05:05 PM
I was watching DS9 the other day and surprised because I was amazed at how much that series actually made you like the Ferengi. Quark? Rom? Nog? They all had personality quarks, I mean quirks, but you still cared about them anyway. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say about the Voyager crew.
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Post by: RVR II on August 06, 2015, 04:02:26 PM
I... AM... KIROK!!! :speechless:
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Post by: soguru on August 06, 2015, 06:47:39 PM
I... AM... KIROK!!! :speechless:
White Comanche anybody?
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Post by: RVR II on August 06, 2015, 06:49:46 PM
I... AM... KIROK!!! :speechless:
White Comanche anybody?
Drugs had to have some some sort of influence on some of these episodes..
I mean really ???
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 07, 2015, 03:40:50 PM
I... AM... KIROK!!! :speechless:
White Comanche anybody?
Drugs had to have some some sort of influence on some of these episodes..
I mean really ???

Ah TOS season 3...

Not drugs, massive budget cuts.

There's maybe 5 good episodes that entire season, some meh ones, and a whole bunch of stinkers...
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Post by: RVR II on August 07, 2015, 04:03:16 PM
I... AM... KIROK!!! :speechless:
White Comanche anybody?
Drugs had to have some some sort of influence on some of these episodes..
I mean really ???

Ah TOS season 3...

Not drugs, massive budget cuts.

There's maybe 5 good episodes that entire season, some meh ones, and a whole bunch of stinkers...
Just got disc 2 of season 3 so I'll be watching more of these over the weekend  :speechless:
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Post by: soguru on August 07, 2015, 07:03:32 PM
TOS Season 3... The TNG season 1 of TOS.
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Post by: RVR II on August 07, 2015, 07:09:35 PM
TOS Season 3... The TNG season 1 of TOS.
1968 to 1987 yeah there's some commonalities they didn't quite get worked out in that time span :o
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Post by: soguru on August 07, 2015, 07:35:09 PM
1968 to 1987 yeah there's some commonalities they didn't quite get worked out in that time span :o
Especially in TNG episodes like "Code of honor".
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Post by: RVR II on August 07, 2015, 07:43:51 PM
1968 to 1987 yeah there's some commonalities they didn't quite get worked out in that time span :o
Especially in TNG episodes like "Code of honor".
Yeah that was one of the worst episodes ..
I can't even watch it today it was so bad :-[
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Post by: soguru on August 07, 2015, 07:47:14 PM
Yeah that was one of the worst episodes ..
I can't even watch it today it was so bad :-[
SF Debris did a great review of it. It had me in stitches cuz he's always pointing out things I never even noticed in certain episodes before. 
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Post by: The Lurker on August 07, 2015, 07:54:33 PM
Considering the title, it's odd that Worf wasn't present for the episode.
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Post by: soguru on August 07, 2015, 07:59:45 PM
Considering the title, it's odd that Worf wasn't present for the episode.
Exactly. Also, next time you watch it, pay close attention to a certain order Picard gives Riker about exploding some photon torpedos above a planet and what exactly happens next.
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Post by: RVR II on August 09, 2015, 02:39:41 PM
Re-watching TNG 'The Inner Light' and I was just thinking that they should have made this a 2-parter season finale/premier instead of 'Time's Arrow' :-\
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Post by: soguru on August 09, 2015, 03:08:09 PM
Re-watching TNG 'The Inner Light' and I was just thinking that they should have made this a 2-parter season finale/premier instead of 'Time's Arrow' :-\
That could have been very interesting. What really bothers me is that what happened to Picard might have been just as traumatic as what the Borg did to him.
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Post by: RVR II on August 09, 2015, 03:11:34 PM
Re-watching TNG 'The Inner Light' and I was just thinking that they should have made this a 2-parter season finale/premier instead of 'Time's Arrow' :-\
That could have been very interesting. What really bothers me is that what happened to Picard might have been just as traumatic as what the Borg did to him.
True.  :o
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Post by: soguru on August 09, 2015, 07:30:29 PM
Looks like you're closing in on season 6 of TNG. Oddly enough, season 6 didn't have that many good episodes. Chain of Command, Tapestry... Face of the Enemy...Starship Mine. Other than those few it's a pretty meh season. Not bad, just meh. 
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Post by: RVR II on August 09, 2015, 07:39:24 PM
Looks like you're closing in on season 6 of TNG. Oddly enough, season 6 didn't have that many good episodes. Chain of Command, Tapestry... Face of the Enemy...Starship Mine. Other than those few it's a pretty meh season. Not bad, just meh.
Yeah I'm just randomly watching episodes as I await the remaining Star Trek TOS season 3 on Blu-Ray and once that's complete, I plan on going on a DS9 marathon (again) re-watching every single episode :o
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Post by: soguru on August 09, 2015, 08:44:08 PM
Looks like you're closing in on season 6 of TNG. Oddly enough, season 6 didn't have that many good episodes. Chain of Command, Tapestry... Face of the Enemy...Starship Mine. Other than those few it's a pretty meh season. Not bad, just meh.
Yeah I'm just randomly watching episodes as I await the remaining Star Trek TOS season 3 on Blu-Ray and once that's complete, I plan on going on a DS9 marathon (again) re-watching every single episode :o
I used to insist on watching every last episode in every season. These days however I'm a little more content to jumping around in a series. but the last time I did that I really regretted that because it was Doctor Who season 6.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 09, 2015, 10:58:04 PM
TNG is one of the few series you can watch randomly the first time, heck, even most of the 2 part episodes you could watch part 2 first and not be lost.  They did that series as stand alone episodes because it was the first series made for syndication.

With the new Dr. Who, you could probably watch the first 4 seasons randomly, but starting with season 5 you've got to watch most of them in order or you'll be lost.
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Post by: soguru on August 10, 2015, 02:47:06 AM
With the new Dr. Who, you could probably watch the first 4 seasons randomly, but starting with season 5 you've got to watch most of them in order or you'll be lost.
That's true, I also think season 5 is where the new show found some seriously good dramatic footing. I mean, I LOVE David Tennant's run, hell, I have a total mancrush on the guy(and even on Smith), but I think the later seasons just got into something more solid.

DS9 is hard to follow if you jump around too much too.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 10, 2015, 08:58:11 PM
Just watched the Enterprise episode where Archer can't make long term memories, this was probably the 3rd or 4th time watching it and I just noticed the planet the last surviving humans settled on was Ceti Alpha 5!

So the Xindi didn't have to bother wiping them out, that planet was doomed anyway...
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Post by: soguru on August 12, 2015, 09:41:15 PM
Maybe they should do an episode of Archer where Archer meets Captain Archer and... well... something ensues.
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Post by: RVR II on August 13, 2015, 03:12:40 AM
I don't know.. Something tells me it would fall flat :o
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Post by: soguru on August 14, 2015, 09:47:35 PM
I don't know.. Something tells me it would fall flat :o
Yeah. I was just thinking about Star Trek crossovers, and one of the most bizarre is the X-Men Star Trek TOS crossover. Good first question being... Why?
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Post by: RVR II on August 15, 2015, 05:06:52 AM
I don't know.. Something tells me it would fall flat :o
Yeah. I was just thinking about Star Trek crossovers, and one of the most bizarre is the X-Men Star Trek TOS crossover. Good first question being... Why?
It's like each universe scrambled together like a mystery omelet..
Would it taste good? Bad? Meh.. ???
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 15, 2015, 10:06:01 AM
Both the Treknologic and Mission Log podcasts let me down this week, getting hung up on stupid details.

Treknologic reviewed Shockwave 1 and 2, and kept asking why there were so many continuity errors with the original series.  I kept thinking, really?, all you have to do to explain it is to look at who wrote the episode, they've blamed those guys before for horrible writing, don't know why they got away from that.

And Mission Log did Booby Trap, and got hung up on how many times they said the title in the dialog, I'm pretty sure any random bunch of people stuck in a booby trap would probably use that word a few times while discussing how to escape it.
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Post by: soguru on August 15, 2015, 12:01:58 PM
And Mission Log did Booby Trap, and got hung up on how many times they said the title in the dialog, I'm pretty sure any random bunch of people stuck in a booby trap would probably use that word a few times while discussing how to escape it.
I certainly hope they use better terminology in the 24th century. I somehow doubt "Booby Trap" will survive as a phrase hundreds of years into the future.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 15, 2015, 03:29:47 PM
And Mission Log did Booby Trap, and got hung up on how many times they said the title in the dialog, I'm pretty sure any random bunch of people stuck in a booby trap would probably use that word a few times while discussing how to escape it.
I certainly hope they use better terminology in the 24th century. I somehow doubt "Booby Trap" will survive as a phrase hundreds of years into the future.

That would have been a valid point to bring up, but they didn't, they have in the past called out phrases that probably shouldn't still be around 300 years from now, but not this time.

They did bring up the thing that always struck me as strange, Picard talking about building ships in bottles when he was a kid, but in a way that made them sound more like toys.  You don't "play" with ships in bottles, and it's more of an adult hobby.  Their solution was that while other kids were making regular models to play with, Picard was more advanced and doing ships in bottles, then just having them sitting on shelves in his room.

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Post by: soguru on August 16, 2015, 02:05:53 PM
That reminds me of the episode "Ship in a bottle". Somehow, Moriarty reminded me of Paul Mcgann as Doctor Who in that episode. It was good, but if I was Moriarty I probably would have seen through Picard and Data's plan. Speaking of, I never liked the pairing of Data/Picard. That was pretty much the primary duo in all the next gen movies and it didn't work for me.

You know what surprised me? Why did they have Riker and Troi get married in Nemesis? Did anything about that have anything to do with the rest of the movie?
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Post by: RVR II on August 16, 2015, 02:38:52 PM
You know what surprised me? Why did they have Riker and Troi get married in Nemesis? Did anything about that have anything to do with the rest of the movie?
I think it was to finally close out that 'feeling' from Farpoint :P
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Post by: soguru on August 16, 2015, 05:41:24 PM
You know what surprised me? Why did they have Riker and Troi get married in Nemesis? Did anything about that have anything to do with the rest of the movie?
I think it was to finally close out that 'feeling' from Farpoint :P
I think what also irks me about Nemesis is that Data sings... AGAIN. Did they learn nothing from the last time Data sang in Insurrection and Generations? I admit, it's a minor point but it's one that really jabs me to the point where it makes me just want to get up and walk out. I've said this before, and I'll say it now: Data should not have had emotions "installed" in him. He should have grown them naturally. When you have to install things into a character they feel less like a character and more like a machine because for me it makes me feel like there's less of an emotional connection. That's another big way Nemesis in my opinion screwed up. Data's sacrifice wasn't the least bit significant to me. Also, it seems to me that the message of the movie was this: as long as you have a five billion terabyte HDD inside a convenient android somewhere, Data can be copied indefinitely. Now that I think about it, why would anybody copy Data into an android that was programmed by an enemy of the Federation?!
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Post by: The Lurker on August 16, 2015, 05:45:32 PM
Yeah, it kind of cheapens his sacrifice.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 16, 2015, 05:50:43 PM
Wow, I really have blocked out most of that movie, I recognize some of what you guys are talking about but most of it I've forgotten.  Helps that I haven't re-watched it since the DVD release in 2003.
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Post by: soguru on August 16, 2015, 09:55:24 PM
When I originally saw Nemesis I wanted to believe it was a good movie, then...after a few weeks the Phantom Menace effect set in and I realized just how bad Nemesis was.
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Post by: RoninFox on August 17, 2015, 06:40:49 AM
(innocent whistling and not shamelessly plugging at all) (https://gum.co/RFTnem)
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Post by: RVR II on August 17, 2015, 07:06:00 AM
(innocent whistling and not shamelessly plugging at all) (https://gum.co/RFTnem)
Yeah I was gonna say this is the Only way I'll watch this movie is with a RiffTrax/iRiff and this is a very good iRiff I must say :D :D
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Post by: soguru on August 17, 2015, 04:45:54 PM
(innocent whistling and not shamelessly plugging at all) (https://gum.co/RFTnem)
You gotta do what you gotta do. It's just like the good old rules of acquisition.
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Post by: RVR II on August 22, 2015, 03:34:41 PM
Oh yeah so I finally finished ripping and watching TOS on BluRay..
Impressive work they did to the series :o

Now I'll be starting my DS9 marathon tomorrow (Sunday) because NFL Pre-Season football is on tonight ;D
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Post by: soguru on August 22, 2015, 04:15:09 PM
DS9 is about as refreshing as you can get for a Trek series because it wasn't afraid to do something different, with great characters and complex, interweaving story lines. I still think it's the best Trek series, with TNG a very close second.
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Post by: RVR II on August 22, 2015, 05:03:21 PM
DS9 is about as refreshing as you can get for a Trek series because it wasn't afraid to do something different, with great characters and complex, interweaving story lines. I still think it's the best Trek series, with TNG a very close second.
Quoted for Truth! 8)
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Post by: RVR II on August 22, 2015, 05:57:26 PM
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 :D :D :D
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Post by: soguru on August 22, 2015, 06:28:06 PM
Holy Gorn on the Cob, Gorn man!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 22, 2015, 10:11:56 PM
I don't know why so many people equate "not afraid to try something different" with something being good, it doesn't always  work out that way...

If I took my top 10 episodes from each series and compared them I think TOS, TNG, and DS9 would be about equal.  If I expand to top 20 from each it's TOS and TNG.  Only reason TOS might lag behind is there are only really 2 seasons when they were running on all cylinders.

As I've said before I always hated how long they went with the dominion war on DS9, sure it created a few great episodes but it also made the show less fun to watch.  When I'm rewatching episodes on Netflix the choices get diminished for me in the later seasons.
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Post by: soguru on August 22, 2015, 11:30:31 PM
I don't know why so many people equate "not afraid to try something different" with something being good, it doesn't always  work out that way...
For me, in part it's because DS9 was about a space station as opposed to all the other series which were Starship-centric. In its own unique way, DS9 had a lot of thought-provoking and very important messages, both social and political(see episodes Homefront, Paradise Lost, Past Tense parts 1 and 2 just for a few examples). It also opened a lot more possibilities as to the kinds of topics the show could tackle. I also think DS9 did all the right things to try and push Star Trek in all the right directions. I think the secondary and tertiary characters were also the best developed out of most of the characters on Trek too.

Hell, I know this might just be me but I find Morn to be more interesting than anyone on Voyager... except maybe 7 of 9. Quark provided the best comic relief of all the Trek series(yes, better than Data mostly because of Data's unbearable antics in the movies), Doctor Bashir had a really good back story that wasn't really revealed until much later in the series, O'Brian got some character depth, and Odo is a pretty fascinating grumpy guy, and I just loved the dynamic between him and Quark. Yes, I know i've said this many times before, but Sisko is just bad-ass incarnate. He's like the man Kirk wishes he could be and Picard is almost too intimidated to talk to after that whole Wolf 359 business.

DS9 did so much right, darker episodes, comedy(except for the likes of Profit and lace), and it was an overall very satisfying journey with characters that felt like family, or at the very least people I cared about. For me... that's what I mean by something different.  :)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 22, 2015, 11:57:29 PM
Poor Data in the movies, the only movie they wrote good stuff for him was in First Contact, it's a crime what they did to his character in the other movies.  I just pretend the other TNG movies don't exist these days, First Contact is the only one I watch.  He had so many powerful episodes in the series, terrible to have it spoiled by the movies.

The wormhole was what was supposed to give DS9 some of the aspects of "ship based" Star Trek, but then they went and put a big bad on the other side.  I prefer episodes like Captive Pursuit or Explorers rather than all the war episodes, there's enough of that crap in real life.



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Post by: soguru on August 23, 2015, 01:09:15 PM
Poor Data in the movies, the only movie they wrote good stuff for him was in First Contact, it's a crime what they did to his character in the other movies.  I just pretend the other TNG movies don't exist these days, First Contact is the only one I watch.  He had so many powerful episodes in the series, terrible to have it spoiled by the movies.
Yeah, First contact was okay. But I still just can't get past that whole "Was it good for you too?" exchange. You got to believe that one day they will reboot the TNG universe in the form of movies. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
The wormhole was what was supposed to give DS9 some of the aspects of "ship based" Star Trek, but then they went and put a big bad on the other side.  I prefer episodes like Captive Pursuit or Explorers rather than all the war episodes, there's enough of that crap in real life.
I can see where you're coming from. If it is a war story I tend to focus more on the sci-fi aspect of it. Also, I enjoy the drama if it's well-executed.

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Post by: The Lurker on August 30, 2015, 02:11:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OJ6miqU.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on August 30, 2015, 02:34:45 PM
 :D :D :D
Nice!
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Post by: soguru on August 30, 2015, 05:11:54 PM
Yeah that's pretty damn sweet, and perfect use of our Star Trek characters. Not sure I can see Data as Nightcrawler though.
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Post by: RVR II on September 06, 2015, 08:16:58 PM
So I've 'blazed' through the first 3 seasons of DS9 in about a week and a half now and Season 1 had a lot of bland episodes as the characters were figuring themselves out but Seasons 2 and 3 seemed to pick up the pace with some decent episodes 8)
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Post by: soguru on September 09, 2015, 06:19:21 AM
So I've 'blazed' through the first 3 seasons of DS9 in about a week and a half now and Season 1 had a lot of bland episodes as the characters were figuring themselves out but Seasons 2 and 3 seemed to pick up the pace with some decent episodes 8)
Season 3 was pretty damn good. I especially liked Odo finally getting back to his people and all the consequences that came with that discovery. That kind of character depth and implications of it was something rarely seen before on Trek.
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Post by: RVR II on September 09, 2015, 06:45:52 AM
So I've 'blazed' through the first 3 seasons of DS9 in about a week and a half now and Season 1 had a lot of bland episodes as the characters were figuring themselves out but Seasons 2 and 3 seemed to pick up the pace with some decent episodes 8)
Season 3 was pretty damn good. I especially liked Odo finally getting back to his people and all the consequences that came with that discovery. That kind of character depth and implications of it was something rarely seen before on Trek.
True! Season 4 has continued on being pretty good overall with Worf joining the crew..
Already halfway through Season 4 to the 2-parter of Changlings on Earth :o
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Post by: RVR II on September 09, 2015, 08:59:28 AM
Jeffrey Combs is an actor who has the distinction of portraying nine different characters on Star Trek, most notably those of Brunt and Weyoun on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and the Andorian Shran on Star Trek: Enterprise.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/Combs_zpswjecrxat.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/Combs_zpswjecrxat.jpg.html)
Happy B-Day!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 09, 2015, 09:36:00 AM
Shran has to be his best Star Trek character, he was just perfect in that role.

Makes me sad that we never got to see Shran as a crew member on Enterprise, that was supposed to happen in season 5. 
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Post by: RVR II on September 09, 2015, 09:42:00 AM
Shran has to be his best Star Trek character, he was just perfect in that role.

Makes me sad that we never got to see Shran as a crew member on Enterprise, that was supposed to happen in season 5.
Yeah I did like his Andorian character in Enterprise though I liked him best as Brunt F-C-A! on DS9 :D
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Post by: soguru on September 09, 2015, 11:30:00 AM
True! Season 4 has continued on being pretty good overall with Worf joining the crew..
Already halfway through Season 4 to the 2-parter of Changlings on Earth :o
Home front and Paradise lost. Love those episodes!!! Given what happened nearly 14 years ago, they really put things in perspective in our world.  :( The cliffhanger of season 4 "Adversary" is pretty amazing too and has a really foreboding sense of dread about it... but you'll see what I'm talking about soon enough. Have you seen "Heart of Stone" yet? That one has a damn amazing, kick-ass twist at the end. It's worthy of Rod Serling.

Ack, sorry, I just realized I'm still talking about season 3 episodes. Anyway, I meant to talk about "Broken Link" and... well,  that one kind of speaks for itself in a way...
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Post by: RVR II on September 09, 2015, 12:34:32 PM
True! Season 4 has continued on being pretty good overall with Worf joining the crew..
Already halfway through Season 4 to the 2-parter of Changlings on Earth :o
Home front and Paradise lost. Love those episodes!!! Given what happened nearly 14 years ago, they really put things in perspective in our world.  :( The cliffhanger of season 4 "Adversary" is pretty amazing too and has a really foreboding sense of dread about it... but you'll see what I'm talking about soon enough. Have you seen "Heart of Stone" yet? That one has a damn amazing, kick-ass twist at the end. It's worthy of Rod Serling.

Ack, sorry, I just realized I'm still talking about season 3 episodes. Anyway, I meant to talk about "Broken Link" and... well,  that one kind of speaks for itself in a way...
I'll watch 4-6 more episodes tonight.. That seems to be my average 8)
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Post by: soguru on September 09, 2015, 08:24:34 PM
I'll watch 4-6 more episodes tonight.. That seems to be my average 8)
Sweet! I look forward to discussing them.  :D
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Post by: RVR II on September 09, 2015, 10:25:56 PM
I'll watch 4-6 more episodes tonight.. That seems to be my average 8)
Sweet! I look forward to discussing them.  :D
Heading to bed soon but I got through 6 more episodes tonight..
Worf's extradition hearing episode was entertaining :o
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Post by: soguru on September 09, 2015, 11:47:49 PM
Heading to bed soon but I got through 6 more episodes tonight..
Worf's extradition hearing episode was entertaining :o
Ah yes... Rules of Engagement. Damn good twist at the end. Some cliched tropes are annoying, but the style in which you see aspects of the story told from different points of view, A La Rashomon is always very entertaining. I loved Sisko reading Worf the riot act in the end of the episode. I mean seriously, who could do that before Sisko came along? Riker would never dare, neither would Picard, or even Data. That's right, it was the SISKO, the MAN who could verbally kick Worf right in the ass.
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Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2015, 08:45:44 AM
Heading to bed soon but I got through 6 more episodes tonight..
Worf's extradition hearing episode was entertaining :o
Ah yes... Rules of Engagement. Damn good twist at the end. Some cliched tropes are annoying, but the style in which you see aspects of the story told from different points of view, A La Rashomon is always very entertaining. I loved Sisko reading Worf the riot act in the end of the episode. I mean seriously, who could do that before Sisko came along? Riker would never dare, neither would Picard, or even Data. That's right, it was the SISKO, the MAN who could verbally kick Worf right in the ass.
The episode of the other prophet was a bit odd to me, but of course hokey religions are no match for a good blaster at your side.. Wait ???
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 10, 2015, 10:32:51 AM
The episode of the other prophet was a bit odd to me, but of course hokey religions are no match for a good blaster at your side.. Wait ???

Do you mean the one with the other Emissary?

Kind of tricky of those aliens to get Sisko to embrace his role that way....
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Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2015, 10:43:50 AM
The episode of the other prophet was a bit odd to me, but of course hokey religions are no match for a good blaster at your side.. Wait ???

Do you mean the one with the other Emissary?

Kind of tricky of those aliens to get Sisko to embrace his role that way....
Yeah that's the one.. I meant Emissary
I'm too lazy to go back and find the actual name of the episode :P
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 10, 2015, 10:56:15 AM
The episode of the other prophet was a bit odd to me, but of course hokey religions are no match for a good blaster at your side.. Wait ???

Do you mean the one with the other Emissary?

Kind of tricky of those aliens to get Sisko to embrace his role that way....
Yeah that's the one.. I meant Emissary
I'm too lazy to go back and find the actual name of the episode :P

I only remember it because I rewatched that one about a month ago.  It never really sunk in before that the wormhole aliens knew how what they did would turn out, being non-linear and all, so when they said they sent him "for the Sisko" that was quite literal, they used that other guy to put/keep Sisko on the path they wanted.
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Post by: soguru on September 10, 2015, 08:00:43 PM
I don't care much for the episodes regarding the "Prophets" unless it's something dramatically significant like in episodes such as "Sacrifice of Angels" or "The Darkness and the Light". I just always felt uber confused about what was going on, but then there were also really damn well executed episodes like "Prophet Motive".
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Post by: RVR II on September 15, 2015, 02:19:15 PM
Holy Shit!! ST Voyager's Kes was arrested  :speechless:

http://www.tmz.com/2015/09/15/star-trek-voyager-actress-jennifer-lien-arrested-exposing-herself-kids-mug-shot/
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Post by: Rainbow Dash on September 15, 2015, 04:35:43 PM
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/09/15/0915-jennifer-ann-lien-mug-1.jpg)

Neelix:  Not even once...
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Post by: RVR II on September 15, 2015, 04:54:58 PM
She's obviously lost her looks along with her mind  :scared:
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Post by: RVR II on September 15, 2015, 04:56:08 PM
Just got through half of Season 5 of DS9, when the Cardassians joined the Dominion..
Loved that 2 part episode 8)
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Post by: BathTub on September 15, 2015, 06:31:19 PM
The saddest part is that she apparently can't make $2500 in bail.
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Post by: RVR II on September 15, 2015, 06:42:00 PM
The saddest part is that she apparently can't make $2500 in bail.
Yeah that's rather shocking as well :o

Local News video about the incident..
http://www.treknews.net/2015/09/15/jennifer-lien-arrested-indecent-exposure-voyager/
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Post by: RVR II on September 15, 2015, 07:05:30 PM
She must be on drugs cause this is just bizarre ???
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 15, 2015, 11:59:05 PM
Sad to see anyone falling apart like that.  Everything they listed about her arrest record was this year, so it seems to be a recent thing.
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Post by: soguru on September 16, 2015, 01:02:06 AM
Sigh... *Shakes head* Face palms over and over.
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Post by: RVR II on September 16, 2015, 04:17:50 AM
Sad to see anyone falling apart like that.  Everything they listed about her arrest record was this year, so it seems to be a recent thing.
I thought some of her arrests happened back in 2012 :-\
http://tennessee.arrests.org/Arrests/Jennifer_Lien_8126433/
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 16, 2015, 08:47:25 AM
Sad to see anyone falling apart like that.  Everything they listed about her arrest record was this year, so it seems to be a recent thing.
I thought some of her arrests happened back in 2012 :-\
http://tennessee.arrests.org/Arrests/Jennifer_Lien_8126433/

I didn't see 2012, so it's been going on for a while then, makes it even more sad.
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Post by: RVR II on September 16, 2015, 08:51:05 AM
Sad to see anyone falling apart like that.  Everything they listed about her arrest record was this year, so it seems to be a recent thing.
I thought some of her arrests happened back in 2012 :-\
http://tennessee.arrests.org/Arrests/Jennifer_Lien_8126433/

I didn't see 2012, so it's been going on for a while then, makes it even more sad.
Yeah I never even heard about those earlier arrests till they were mentioned in the news..
Agreed. Still stunned about this :-[
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Post by: soguru on September 16, 2015, 01:17:42 PM
I'm starting to miss Neelix now...
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Post by: RVR II on September 16, 2015, 01:29:37 PM
I'm starting to miss Neelix now...
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:speechless:
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Post by: soguru on September 16, 2015, 01:41:09 PM
Picture this: an interesting story line for a Star Trek movie or episode... where a major, MAJOR Trek character falls from grace and everybody has to deal with the emotional impact and consequences of their hero becoming something so different from what they knew. I'm pretty sure that's something that's never been done on Star Trek before,
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Post by: RVR II on September 16, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
Well ain't that a fine boy-howdy :o
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Post by: soguru on September 16, 2015, 01:51:02 PM
Well ain't that a fine boy-howdy :o
Ya like it huh? :D
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Post by: RVR II on September 16, 2015, 02:01:06 PM
Well ain't that a fine boy-howdy :o
Ya like it huh? :D
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/tumblr_m6qd8oidPn1qg3pyjo1_500_zpssfcn3taq.gif) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/tumblr_m6qd8oidPn1qg3pyjo1_500_zpssfcn3taq.gif.html)
:P
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 16, 2015, 02:04:07 PM
Picture this: an interesting story line for a Star Trek movie or episode... where a major, MAJOR Trek character falls from grace and everybody has to deal with the emotional impact and consequences of their hero becoming something so different from what they knew. I'm pretty sure that's something that's never been done on Star Trek before,
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.

I could see that, if they had introduced certain things in the movies that were in the books for Star Trek II and III it would have fit perfectly:
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Post by: soguru on September 17, 2015, 08:09:36 AM
See that's one BIG thing that rubbed me the wrong way about Star Trek VI TUD that didn't make any damn sense to me at all.
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Post by: RVR II on September 25, 2015, 07:39:40 PM
So I've blazed all the way through Season 6 of DS9, though I slowed up a bit due to evening customers so now I've got to get through Season 7 in ... 3 days (Sunday is football day, Wednesday I'll be packing the minivan and heading out early Thursday morning for Mexico :o
It's doable 8)
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Post by: soguru on September 25, 2015, 10:26:00 PM
I love season 6 of DS9. So much stuff happening there... The Pale Moonlight, Waltz, Valiant,  Far Beyond the Stars, Inquisition, The magnificent Ferengi. There's a lot of great stuff going on there. Unfortunately, that particular season also contained "Profit and Lace", but fortunately that was the only real big misstep of that season and generally speaking of DS9.
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Post by: RVR II on September 26, 2015, 05:17:32 AM
I love season 6 of DS9. So much stuff happening there... The Pale Moonlight, Waltz, Valiant,  Far Beyond the Stars, Inquisition, The magnificent Ferengi. There's a lot of great stuff going on there. Unfortunately, that particular season also contained "Profit and Lace", but fortunately that was the only real big misstep of that season and generally speaking of DS9.
Vic Fontane kinda grew on you too :o
And the end of Jadzia Dax :(
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Post by: soguru on September 26, 2015, 09:08:23 AM
Vic Fontane kinda grew on you too :o
And the
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That's true. Vic Fontaine means more as a character in the Season 7 episode "It's only a paper moon", following up on the events from "The Siege of AR 558".
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Post by: RVR II on September 26, 2015, 09:17:56 AM
Vic Fontane kinda grew on you too :o
And the
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That's true. Vic Fontaine means more as a character in the Season 7 episode "It's only a paper moon", following up on the events from "The Siege of AR 558".
The wife is supposed to be leaving soon.. When she does, I'm going on a Season 7 binge to see how many episodes I can get through..
I expect to get through half the season today at least :o
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Post by: The Lurker on September 26, 2015, 01:55:02 PM
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Post by: soguru on September 27, 2015, 08:47:03 AM
I'd love to see a Christmas Tree decorated with only Star Trek ornaments. Of course, since I can't have a Christmas tree out, I might just buy a tiny little xmas tree and decorate it with stuff when the time comes in a couple months. Woo.
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Post by: RVR II on September 27, 2015, 08:54:04 AM
Yeah that is a cool looking ornament :o

Got through 14 episodes of Season 7 yesterday and I've started watching the remaining episodes today..
I think I'll be watching football on my small 22" Vizio at my desk 8)
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Post by: The Lurker on September 27, 2015, 01:29:22 PM
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Post by: RVR II on September 27, 2015, 01:32:47 PM
$66 dollars for a 'Numbah 1' screen ???
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Post by: soguru on September 27, 2015, 01:42:40 PM
Why have an ordinary room divider when you can have Number 1? I'm sorry, but I'd rather go to Home Depot, buy a few sheets of plywood, a few hinges and make my own for a lot cheaper.
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Post by: RVR II on September 27, 2015, 01:47:12 PM
Why have an ordinary room divider when you can have Number 1? I'm sorry, but I'd rather go to Home Depot, buy a few sheets of plywood, a few hinges and make my own for a lot cheaper.
Yeah and put a canvass of the Enterprise-D or a Borg cube would be better 8)
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Post by: RVR II on September 27, 2015, 03:20:58 PM
And Done with Season 7 :o
Now I can concentrate on wrapping up things I need to before we leave for Mexico Thursday Oct. 1 8)
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Post by: soguru on September 27, 2015, 04:44:32 PM
And Done with Season 7 :o
Now I can concentrate on wrapping up things I need to before we leave for Mexico Thursday Oct. 1 8)
So what did you think? The very end reminded me so much of The Empire Strikes Back. Sigh...
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Post by: RVR II on September 27, 2015, 04:58:21 PM
And Done with Season 7 :o
Now I can concentrate on wrapping up things I need to before we leave for Mexico Thursday Oct. 1 8)
So what did you think? The very end reminded me so much of The Empire Strikes Back. Sigh...
The Empire Strikes Back? Really ???
I dunno if I would make that comparison.

The drawn out Pah-Wraiths was about the only part I disliked about the finale
Too bad the writers didn't carry on the DS9 line instead of going the way of the Voyager series :-\
The rebuilding after the great war, new allies and enemies, the Borg was still a threat, Odo becoming the new leader of the Changelings, Bajor taking control of Empok Nor after the defeated Cardassians, etc..
Just so much more that they could have been done in the DS9 universe :-[
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Post by: soguru on September 27, 2015, 05:05:32 PM
Perhaps you're right. I say Empire strikes back because at the end it reminds me of that with Jake and Kira looking out the window and then Kira putting her arm on Jake's shoulder. However, I found the show overall to be immensely satisfying.
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Post by: RVR II on September 27, 2015, 05:10:59 PM
Perhaps you're right. I say Empire strikes back because at the end it reminds me of that with Jake and Kira looking out the window and then Kira putting her arm on Jake's shoulder. However, I found the show overall to be immensely satisfying.
Well that part I can see the comparison but the whole war thing pretty much stood on its own
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Post by: soguru on September 27, 2015, 05:13:46 PM
Perhaps you're right. I say Empire strikes back because at the end it reminds me of that with Jake and Kira looking out the window and then Kira putting her arm on Jake's shoulder. However, I found the show overall to be immensely satisfying.
Well that part I can see the comparison but the whole war thing pretty much stood on its own
True. Left me very emotionally drained. I love all the characters so much. Far more than Picard, Riker, Geordi, Troi, Data and Crusher. Hence, part of the reason my opinion for why DS9 is the better show. 
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Post by: RVR II on September 27, 2015, 05:16:05 PM
Perhaps you're right. I say Empire strikes back because at the end it reminds me of that with Jake and Kira looking out the window and then Kira putting her arm on Jake's shoulder. However, I found the show overall to be immensely satisfying.
Well that part I can see the comparison but the whole war thing pretty much stood on its own
True. Left me very emotionally drained. I love all the characters so much. Far more than Picard, Riker, Geordi, Troi, Data and Crusher. Hence, part of the reason my opinion for why DS9 is the better show.
Yeah I love TNG but only watch select episodes, but DS9 I can watch almost every episode and really enjoy them
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Post by: soguru on September 27, 2015, 05:17:45 PM
Yeah I love TNG but only watch select episodes, but DS9 I can watch almost every episode and really enjoy them
Your validation means a lot to me. Thanks RVR. :)
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Post by: RVR II on September 27, 2015, 06:08:34 PM
Yeah I love TNG but only watch select episodes, but DS9 I can watch almost every episode and really enjoy them
Your validation means a lot to me. Thanks RVR. :)
Aw shucks, gosh gee wiz, thanks :P
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Post by: soguru on September 27, 2015, 07:38:12 PM
Yeah I love TNG but only watch select episodes, but DS9 I can watch almost every episode and really enjoy them
Your validation means a lot to me. Thanks RVR. :)
Aw shucks, gosh gee wiz, thanks :P
No, I really meant it. :)
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Post by: RVR II on September 27, 2015, 07:39:15 PM
Yeah I love TNG but only watch select episodes, but DS9 I can watch almost every episode and really enjoy them
Your validation means a lot to me. Thanks RVR. :)
Aw shucks, gosh gee wiz, thanks :P
No, I really meant it. :)
I know. I had to make a funny ;D
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Post by: soguru on September 27, 2015, 09:05:06 PM
I know. I had to make a funny ;D
Fair enough. Live long and... sigh, you know the rest.
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Post by: RVR II on September 28, 2015, 11:29:58 AM
Happy 28th Birthday to Star Trek: The Next Generation!

The pilot episode "Encounter at Farpoint" debuted today (September 28, 1987) :o
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Post by: soguru on September 28, 2015, 11:34:39 AM
Happy 28th Birthday to Star Trek: The Next Generation!

The pilot episode "Encounter at Farpoint" debuted today (September 28, 1987) :o
The only thing I can remember from that year(1987) was watching encounter at farpoint as I was getting my hair seriously cleaned and washed to death because I accidentally ended up with lice from some kid's hat. It's weird the shit you remember. I also from that point on was very wary of hats.
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Post by: RVR II on September 28, 2015, 11:43:52 AM
Happy 28th Birthday to Star Trek: The Next Generation!

The pilot episode "Encounter at Farpoint" debuted today (September 28, 1987) :o
The only thing I can remember from that year(1987) was watching encounter at farpoint as I was getting my hair seriously cleaned and washed to death because I accidentally ended up with lice from some kid's hat. It's weird the shit you remember. I also from that point on was very wary of hats.
I had enlisted in the Navy under the Delayed Enlistment Program (waiting for me to graduate from High school in June, 88 and went to boot-camp a month later) just a few months before Farpoint came out..
Remember watching the entire first season then only catching various episodes of Seasons 2-5 during my 4 year Navy career.
It wasn't until they started coming out on VHS and DVD that I was able to watch the episodes I missed.
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Post by: soguru on September 28, 2015, 01:43:00 PM
Those were days that were annoying. I remember Mom subscribed to this thing from Columbia house or something that offered two episodes per VHS tape, and we had all the original series on VHS, and maybe a couple shelves worth of episodes from TNG. Obviously it wasn't like now where you have information at your fingertips. When you're a kid you have a tendency to focus more on what confuses you and talk about it endlessly and that was probably me.

Good thing you had and still have a life RVR. I didn't have much of one back then.
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Post by: RVR II on September 28, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
Those were days that were annoying. I remember Mom subscribed to this thing from Columbia house or something that offered two episodes per VHS tape, and we had all the original series on VHS, and maybe a couple shelves worth of episodes from TNG. Obviously it wasn't like now where you have information at your fingertips. When you're a kid you have a tendency to focus more on what confuses you and talk about it endlessly and that was probably me.

Good thing you had and still have a life RVR. I didn't have much of one back then.
Yeah I think I was part of that for a short time till the SciFi Channel (?) started playing reruns pretty frequently back in the early to mid-90s and I was recording them on VHS tapes (6 episodes per tape); got so good counting the commercials (to make them commercial-free) that they were close to being like the DVDs are now with just a couple seconds of black screen 8)

Then Netflix came around and I learned to rip and burn them to disc and my VHS tapes got moved to the attic where they still are..
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Post by: soguru on October 13, 2015, 10:24:51 AM
I think it could be interesting if the mirror universe made a return in a big way... might explain what happened to Ceti Alpha VI as well.
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2015, 10:50:02 AM
You think a force from the mirror universe crossed over just to destroy Ceti Alpha 6?
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Post by: soguru on October 13, 2015, 04:12:38 PM
You think a force from the mirror universe crossed over just to destroy Ceti Alpha 6?
No, just to piss off the Ceti Alpha tourism board.   ;D
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Post by: RVR II on October 22, 2015, 08:00:39 AM
OK so friggin aaahh...
Since returning from Mexico, I've gone back to watching some random choice TNG episodes..
Wanted to go back and re-watch the DS9 series but was afraid of burning myself out by re-watching the series so soon after completing it a few weeks ago  :-\
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 22, 2015, 08:13:02 AM
There are some good ones.
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Post by: RVR II on October 22, 2015, 08:16:51 AM
There are some good ones.
Lt. Broccoli :D :D
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 22, 2015, 08:40:31 AM
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Post by: RVR II on October 22, 2015, 08:52:48 AM
HA! Never knew someone made an actual image before :D
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 22, 2015, 09:09:13 AM
You might like this then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6hsgg2QQxM&index=73&list=LLvlBiwDW1UB5I7Fy7C4ZoEw
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Post by: RVR II on October 22, 2015, 12:29:24 PM
You might like this then
https://www.youtube.com/v/X6hsgg2QQxM
:D :D :D
Awesome!
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Post by: soguru on October 23, 2015, 10:16:58 AM
If it's still on Youtube, there's a great TNG recut called Picard Vs Superman. There's a part 1 and a part 2 but it gets really damn good in part 2.
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2015, 10:27:52 AM
Nice, I will check that out.
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Post by: RVR II on October 25, 2015, 04:20:27 AM
 :D :D
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Post by: RVR II on October 25, 2015, 04:26:08 AM
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Post by: soguru on October 25, 2015, 11:25:05 AM
I don't know who came up with the Cardassians=Kardashians joke, I know I wasn't the only one to think of it myself and thought it would make an excellent DS9 spin-off. I will say Garak is one of the reasons that DS9>Voyager, Enterprise... and maybe... MAYBE even TNG. 
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Post by: RVR II on October 25, 2015, 11:33:30 AM
Yeah Garak was a great character..
Would have been nice to add Q in more than 1 episode of DS9 :-\
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Post by: soguru on October 25, 2015, 11:35:24 AM
Yeah Garak was a great character..
Would have been nice to add Q in more than 1 episode of DS9 :-\
Yes, I agree. They had him in several episodes of Voyager, but the results were... imho, pretty damn awful. I think there was only one episode with Q that was decent and it had to do with a member of the Q continuum who wanted to die or something.
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Post by: RVR II on October 25, 2015, 11:47:04 AM
Yeah Garak was a great character..
Would have been nice to add Q in more than 1 episode of DS9 :-\
Yes, I agree. They had him in several episodes of Voyager, but the results were... imho, pretty damn awful. I think there was only one episode with Q that was decent and it had to do with a member of the Q continuum who wanted to die or something.
Oh Q was in more than 1 episode of Voyager? :o
Shows how long it's been since I watched the Voyager series (only season 1 with all the iRiffs)..
I may torture myself and watch all 7 seasons again someday :speechless:
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 25, 2015, 12:02:48 PM
Yeah Garak was a great character..
Would have been nice to add Q in more than 1 episode of DS9 :-\
Yes, I agree. They had him in several episodes of Voyager, but the results were... imho, pretty damn awful. I think there was only one episode with Q that was decent and it had to do with a member of the Q continuum who wanted to die or something.
Oh Q was in more than 1 episode of Voyager? :o
Shows how long it's been since I watched the Voyager series (only season 1 with all the iRiffs)..
I may torture myself and watch all 7 seasons again someday :speechless:

NOT EVERY EPISODE!  Don't do it man!  Any other series sure, but not Voyager!

I can remember 3 episodes with Q, the one with the Q that wanted to commit suicide, the one with the Q civil war, and the one with Q's son on Voyager.

They were all pretty weak, but the one with the debate over suicide was the best, the civil war was lame except for the Q played by Suzi Plakson, the one with Q's son was meh.
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 25, 2015, 12:04:23 PM
And if you watch the episode "Threshold" you may want to commit suicide yourself...
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 25, 2015, 12:12:57 PM
The Treknologic podcast for Threshold is hilarious, so at least it ended up being good for something.

I remember watching that when it aired, by the end I was pretty close to yelling at my TV, the WTF factor just builds and builds during that episode.
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Post by: RVR II on October 25, 2015, 12:25:04 PM
Yeah Garak was a great character..
Would have been nice to add Q in more than 1 episode of DS9 :-\
Yes, I agree. They had him in several episodes of Voyager, but the results were... imho, pretty damn awful. I think there was only one episode with Q that was decent and it had to do with a member of the Q continuum who wanted to die or something.
Oh Q was in more than 1 episode of Voyager? :o
Shows how long it's been since I watched the Voyager series (only season 1 with all the iRiffs)..
I may torture myself and watch all 7 seasons again someday :speechless:

NOT EVERY EPISODE!  Don't do it man!  Any other series sure, but not Voyager!

Yeah I think you're right :scared:
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Post by: soguru on October 25, 2015, 04:56:05 PM
And if you watch the episode "Threshold" you may want to commit suicide yourself...
Yeah so... warp 10 turns us into gigantic tadpoles?
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 25, 2015, 05:06:31 PM
Id like to know what drugs were involved in the conception of that episode...
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Post by: soguru on October 25, 2015, 05:10:30 PM
Id like to know what drugs were involved in the conception of that episode...
To be fair, there are worse Star Trek episodes... like TNG's Code of Honor, which I think is arguably the worst episode of anything Star Trek ever.
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Post by: RVR II on October 25, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Id like to know what drugs were involved in the conception of that episode...
To be fair, there are worse Star Trek episodes... like TNG's Code of Honor, which I think is arguably the worst episode of anything Star Trek ever.
Quoted for Truth :o
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Post by: soguru on October 25, 2015, 05:28:38 PM
It's pretty funny because the Star ship Enterprise has exceeded warp 10 before and I don't recall any radical regressions in evolution.
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 25, 2015, 05:42:41 PM
Id rather watch Code of Honor than Threshold.
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Post by: RVR II on October 25, 2015, 05:44:04 PM
Id rather watch Code of Honor than Threshold.
ooo.. I'm gonna have to get back with you on that :speechless:
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Post by: The Lurker on October 25, 2015, 06:04:56 PM
And then there's The Child.
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Post by: RVR II on October 25, 2015, 06:07:20 PM
And then there's The Child.
Yeah that was pretty bad too
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Post by: soguru on October 25, 2015, 06:27:14 PM
And then there's The Child.
That one was pretty bad. Lots of things in that episode just make a lot of people shout WTF were they thinking?! Myself included.

Id rather watch Code of Honor than Threshold.
Well I can just laugh off Threshold because it's so silly, but Code of Honor is just... wow...
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 25, 2015, 06:28:27 PM
The Naked Now.
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Post by: soguru on October 25, 2015, 06:29:16 PM
The Naked Now.
Yep... or as Whil Wheaton likes to call it "Wesley Crusher saves the day".
As for more bad Trek then of course there's DS9's "Profit and Lace", Voy's "Parallax", TNG's "The Outrageous Okana" and "The Royale".
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 25, 2015, 06:33:27 PM
No, RVR and I will stick up for "The Royale", sure its not a great episode but its entertaining.
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Post by: soguru on October 25, 2015, 06:34:31 PM
No, RVR and I will stick up for "The Royale", sure its not a great episode but its entertaining.
Eh, fair enough. I kind of liked it myself back in the day.
I can't believe I almost forgot about it, but oh God... the pain of "These are the voyages", the notorious finale of Enterprise.
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Post by: RVR II on October 25, 2015, 06:47:36 PM
No, RVR and I will stick up for "The Royale", sure its not a great episode but its entertaining.
Agreed there 8)
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Post by: soguru on October 25, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
I also once had a soft spot for The Outrageous Okona... but I think most people think very little of that episode and it's pretty hard for me to disagree.
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Post by: Sideswipe on October 25, 2015, 06:53:39 PM
The Rocketeer deserved to be in a better episode.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 25, 2015, 06:54:46 PM
No, RVR and I will stick up for "The Royale", sure its not a great episode but its entertaining.
Eh, fair enough. I kind of liked it myself back in the day.
I can't believe I almost forgot about it, but oh God... the pain of "These are the voyages", the notorious finale of Enterprise.

The Royale was OK the first time, doesn't hold up at all on repeat viewing, once you start picking it apart it's no longer much fun.  But it still has a few interesting scenes.

That horrible finale of Enterprise might have characters acting out of character, and is a huge FU to the fans of that series, but at least it didn't completely ignore all of science the way Threshold did.  That finale is another hilarious Treknologic podcast.

Tough call between Threshold and Code of Honor, they are both zeros, but for different reasons.  So I guess there can be apples to oranges when it comes to really terrible writing...
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on October 25, 2015, 09:00:34 PM
Any reason why they thought the crossover was necessary? At the time, were Trek fans really screaming for a crossover of Enterprise and TNG?
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 25, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
Any reason why they thought the crossover was necessary? At the time, were Trek fans really screaming for a crossover of Enterprise and TNG?

No, that's what made it so infuriating.

Only way to strike it from cannon would be to think of all the stuff on the NX-01 as a badly done holo-novel.  So it's really a crappy episode of TNG.

But even that doesn't work, the TNG episode it was retconned into is impossible, there's no time for Riker to be spending all this time in the holodeck, and then at the end when he says he made his decision that doesn't fit either.

Killing off Trip was utterly pointless, everything with Shran was over, it's just tacked on for pointless drama, horrible, horrible writing.

And then the coup de grâce is not getting to hear Archer's speech!  Troi says she had to memorize it, they build up to it, and then cut away just before it, WTF!

Even with all that, the parts with Shran are OK, so it wins just barely over Threshold or Code of Honor, those 2 go from bad or stupid scene to bad or stupid scene from start to finish.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on October 25, 2015, 09:43:17 PM
I would say "Spock's brain" is somehow a notch or two higher.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 25, 2015, 10:43:39 PM
Season 3 of the original series gets a pass because the network was trying to kill it off, the few good ones we get in that season are a bonus.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on October 26, 2015, 08:33:33 AM
Season 3 of the original series gets a pass because the network was trying to kill it off, the few good ones we get in that season are a bonus.
That's true, we did get The Enterprise Incident, Day of the Dove, and The Empath.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on October 26, 2015, 04:28:12 PM
Some more memes :D :D :D

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Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on October 26, 2015, 04:35:34 PM
All great. I approve of those super awesome memes.  ;D
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on October 27, 2015, 07:12:59 PM
I'll post these Star Wars memes here cause ...
well this thread is sure to veer off course :P

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Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on October 27, 2015, 07:43:13 PM
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Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on October 27, 2015, 07:51:58 PM
(http://thirtyhertzrumble.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/stay-on-topic.jpg)
:D :D
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on October 28, 2015, 09:14:59 PM
If you insist Porkins of... Star... Trek...Wars.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 02, 2015, 08:46:58 AM
IS THIS FOR REALZ??  :speechless:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/11/breaking-news-new-star-trek-series-coming-january-2017/
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 02, 2015, 08:56:54 AM
IS THIS FOR REALZ??  :speechless:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/11/breaking-news-new-star-trek-series-coming-january-2017/

Exclusively on that CBS All Access?  So you'll have to pay $6 a month to watch it...

Also, original or reboot timeline?  CBS turned down that series Dorn wanted to make about Worf because it would confuse the audience to go back to the old timeline.  And the producer is the same as the reboot movies.  So I'm guessing new timeline.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 02, 2015, 09:04:15 AM
IS THIS FOR REALZ??  :speechless:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/11/breaking-news-new-star-trek-series-coming-january-2017/

Exclusively on that CBS All Access?  So you'll have to pay $6 a month to watch it...

Also, original or reboot timeline?  CBS turned down that series Dorn wanted to make about Worf because it would confuse the audience to go back to the old timeline.  And the producer is the same as the reboot movies.  So I'm guessing new timeline.
I'm sure there will be some surprise guest star appearances (I hope).. :o
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RoninFox on November 02, 2015, 09:13:07 AM
It did say that the new series would be unrelated to the movie series, but that might just mean they would have a different cast, not necessarily that it would be the prime timeline.

I'm hoping for prime timeline though. Hell, I'm hoping for a prime timeline anthology series.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 02, 2015, 09:19:06 AM
Maybe a timeline after Voyager..
With the Klingons, Romulans, Ferengi, Cardassians, and the Borg would be nice :-\
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 02, 2015, 09:27:58 AM
Just dont let Kurtzman write any of it!
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 02, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
Maybe a timeline after Voyager..
With the Klingons, Romulans, Ferengi, Cardassians, and the Borg would be nice :-\

Yes, if it's in the prime timeline maybe 50 years after Voyager would be good.

The Cardassians were pretty destroyed at the end of DS9, so 50 years would give them time to rebuild.

I got sick of the Borg during Voyager, so I don't really want them back.

Q needs to come back, John de Lancie has been playing basically the same character on My Little Pony so he could step right back into the role of Q.

Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 02, 2015, 09:37:08 AM
Maybe a timeline after Voyager..
With the Klingons, Romulans, Ferengi, Cardassians, and the Borg would be nice :-\

Yes, if it's in the prime timeline maybe 50 years after Voyager would be good.

The Cardassians were pretty destroyed at the end of DS9, so 50 years would give them time to rebuild.

I got sick of the Borg during Voyager, so I don't really want them back.

Q needs to come back, John de Lancie has been playing basically the same character on My Little Pony so he could step right back into the role of Q.
Yeah that would work, though it will be difficult to make Q look like he's not aging :-\
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 02, 2015, 09:41:07 AM
Well, thats the thing about Q, he can look however he wants.  Though John DeLancie is looking a bit frayed around the edges these days...
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 02, 2015, 09:48:29 AM
Well, thats the thing about Q, he can look however he wants.  Though John DeLancie is looking a bit frayed around the edges these days...
Maybe another actor will play Q..
If he/she has the same witty attitude it could work :o
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2015, 04:01:44 PM
This is pretty good :D :D :D
https://www.youtube.com/v/8iehOvkO54g
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 07, 2015, 08:04:07 PM
Never been a big fan of Captain Picard...
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2015, 08:14:10 PM
Never been a big fan of Captain Picard...
:scared: :speechless:
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 07, 2015, 08:22:39 PM
Never been a big fan of Captain Picard...
:scared: :speechless:
I'm sorry but I never saw him as someone I could look up to. Let's face it, the guy hates children(Wesley I can understand), but he seemed to be too much of Captain Kirk's opposite. You know I am all for the finding a peaceful solution thing, but Picard seemed to back down too much at times. Sometimes he was okay, but other times... meh... he just didn't really inspire me with confidence. Here's what bothers me, he strikes me less as a Starship Captain and more of a guy sipping tea, reciting Shakespeare monologues and the occasional soliloquy.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2015, 09:00:06 PM
Never been a big fan of Captain Picard...
:scared: :speechless:
I'm sorry but I never saw him as someone I could look up to. Let's face it, the guy hates children(Wesley I can understand), but he seemed to be too much of Captain Kirk's opposite. You know I am all for the finding a peaceful solution thing, but Picard seemed to back down too much at times. Sometimes he was okay, but other times... meh... he just didn't really inspire me with confidence. Here's what bothers me, he strikes me less as a Starship Captain and more of a guy sipping tea, reciting Shakespeare monologues and the occasional soliloquy.
Fair enough.. Q would have made an interesting captain :o
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 07, 2015, 10:34:55 PM
I'm sorry but I never saw him as someone I could look up to. Let's face it, the guy hates children(Wesley I can understand), but he seemed to be too much of Captain Kirk's opposite. You know I am all for the finding a peaceful solution thing, but Picard seemed to back down too much at times. Sometimes he was okay, but other times... meh... he just didn't really inspire me with confidence. Here's what bothers me, he strikes me less as a Starship Captain and more of a guy sipping tea, reciting Shakespeare monologues and the occasional soliloquy.


You are objectively wrong.

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"You swear well Picard, you must have Klingon blood in your veins."

Watch "The Mind's Eye", "Best of Both Worlds" Part 1, "The Measure of A Man", "The Drumhead", "Who Watches the Watchers", numerous episodes. 
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 07, 2015, 11:08:03 PM
Yeah those were really good episodes :o
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 08, 2015, 12:03:24 AM
I've seen all those episodes numerous times. That whole thing with Picard acting as the arbiter of succession, fighting, swearing, etc, to me didn't feel like it meshed with his character. I felt that a lot of times he had to get really aggressive or assertive just felt kinda forced.  "Who watches the Watchers" was a terrific episode, as were "The Measure of a Man" and "The Drumhead", and they do reflect the strongest aspects of his character, as does "Darmok".

There are little things that really get to me here and there, like his actions during Star Trek Generations and Insurrection(in stark contrast to the events of episodes involving the Maquis and specifically "Journey's End"). This is a minor point, but not pursuing a romantic relationship with Vash ALWAYS bugged me. I was also always annoyed he didn't stand up to Q in a much more aggressive way like Sisko did. That's why Q didn't come back to DS9. because before Sisko, nobody had the balls to physically assault him. Why do you think Q was always content to haunt The Enterprise D and Voyager? Because nobody on either of those ships could totally kick his ass. Don't even get me started again on what Picard did during "Code of Honor" or his attempt to woo a hotel owner with recitations of Shakespeare in "Time's Arrow part 2".

There is something else here too, during the episode "The Ensigns of Command", Picard has to stop an alien race from colonizing a planet someplace. In doing so, he resorts to complicated legal issues as opposed to brute force. Let's face it, when face to face with an aggressive alien species, legal sanctions in my opinion are no more likely to discourage certain actions than a stern warning.

I'm not saying anybody's wrong or anything, I just personally never found him to be a strong enough character worthy of commanding a Starship. To be fair, maybe I'm just more in the camp of "Actions speak louder than words" or something, and that I'd prefer an approach that utilizes cunning tactics and devious scheming as opposed to professing his undying love for Troi's mother.("Menage a Troi")
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 08, 2015, 12:27:04 AM
Picard was the first freshman to win the Academy marathon, he took command of the Stargazer when his captain was killed in battle.  Picard devised a goddamn tactical maneuver that was named after him and taught at Starfleet Academy.  He earned his command. 

I think you might need to watch "Menage a Troi" again also, because it wasnt his poetry that actually got Lwaxanna back.  It was him ordering his tactical officer to lock his heavily armed Galaxy class starships weapons on the Ferengi vessel to get her back.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 08, 2015, 12:31:25 AM
Sideswipe, I've already conceded in some ways. I also don't want to argue. I'm just stating my opinion and reasons for it, regardless of how objectively wrong it could be.

Actually, I think one of the best ways Picard got really clever was what he did to prepare for what had to be done in the episode "The Defector".
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Sideswipe on November 08, 2015, 04:28:43 AM
Its called a discussion.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 08, 2015, 09:50:30 AM
You've got to ignore the movies when talking about TNG characters, even the only one I like "First Contact" has most of the characters written slightly "off" from the series.

As for what happened in "The Ensigns of Command", I got the feeling the Sheliak were more advanced than the federation, so the Enterprise would have lost a battle with that ship.  The fact that Picard waits until the last minute to actually read the darn treaty is somewhat bad writing, but it was a Data episode, if they had used the treaty to solve the problem right away we wouldn't have the story with Data on the planet (and that is a really good story).  It would have been better if they were reading the treaty all along and tried various aspects of it and then have the bright idea to ask for arbitration, that would have been somewhat more believable for the Enterprise half of the story.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 08, 2015, 09:58:00 AM
As for what happened in "The Ensigns of Command", I got the feeling the Sheliak were more advanced than the federation, so the Enterprise would have lost a battle with that ship.  The fact that Picard waits until the last minute to actually read the darn treaty is somewhat bad writing, but it was a Data episode, if they had used the treaty to solve the problem right away we wouldn't have the story with Data on the planet (and that is a really good story).  It would have been better if they were reading the treaty all along and tried various aspects of it and then have the bright idea to ask for arbitration, that would have been somewhat more believable for the Enterprise half of the story.
Yes, it is a very good story and a very good episode. I think a more creative solution was in order. In short, contact the Tholians(Who I think we're at least at peace with now) and ask them to set up a web around the perimeter of the planet, to at least create a long enough delay to get everyone off the planet. Then when the Sheliak complain, Picard could play dumb and say "Tholian webs? I have no knowledge of this, I will get in contact with  their government--" you know, typical stalling. Who are the Grizellas anyway? Just another thought... why not find a species who are at war with the Sheliak or something and instigate a minor skirmish just to delay things? True, some Sheliak and other aliens might die, but we're talking about a few soldiers vs tens of thousands of innocent and unarmed civilians. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Also, Sideswipe, when a conversation reaches a certain tone(like ours was) it feels less like a discussion and more of an argument to me.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 09, 2015, 12:51:08 PM
Well, and it's due in large part to two things...acting style and the "change" that Gene Roddenberry decided to take with TNG.  Shatner did some talk and game show hosting and bit parts.  You can totally envision him as a sly, shoot first-ask questions later type of commander.  Stewart was primarly a Shakespearean actor so talking is his "forte."

As far as the change...Roddenbury hated the fact that he felt he had to add conflict in the first series to get viewers.  It was his decision...not some executive speak that overrode it.  He had signed a contract with FASA for the "Starship Tactical Combat Simulator" which was one of the best board games at the time.  When he got signed to do TNG, he basically gave them the middle finger, breaching the contract early and pulling the rights, telling them that he didn't need the money anymore, he could have a politically correct peaceful space show that was all about flying around, exploring and talking and he didn't want them selling a board game that was about shootin' n' stuff (now that he had money).  IMO, that's the reason the first couple seasons were so damn boring.  I don't know if realism ever kicked him in the butt before he passed.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 09, 2015, 01:11:23 PM
I don't know if realism ever kicked him in the butt before he passed.

I think he stuck with that idea right up until the end.

Not sure why he went so far with it, why would ending poverty and global conflict also end all arguments between individuals?
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 09, 2015, 02:44:45 PM
I don't know if realism ever kicked him in the butt before he passed.

I think he stuck with that idea right up until the end.

Not sure why he went so far with it, why would ending poverty and global conflict also end all arguments between individuals?
Well, in a utopia, maybe it would, and would magically spread to any aliens we encounter.  However, it's boring as hell, and there were way too many instances of "The Federation does things this way...the RIGHT way.  Therefore you do it to.  What?  You disagree?  Super Ultra Fascist StarTrekSpeak FORCE.  Told you, if you did it the Federation way you wouldn't be dead."  Which is also not fun.  If you just technojargon your way through any physical encounters because you're so scientific and overpowered, why should we worry about you?  That's why DS9 had it right IMO, especially after the first couple years.  A force so dangerous everyone has to set aside their differences to lay down the buttwhupping.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 09, 2015, 05:03:47 PM
Well I've watched enough TNG episodes so I think I'll go on another DS9 binge for a while..
Then go on my trip to Mexico (December to January) and maybe go on another DS9 binge early next year 8)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 09, 2015, 07:14:04 PM
A federation without treachery, violence, a virtual utopia is potentially impossible. Also, without conflict, you can't have drama, therefore stories set in a utopia are really damn boring. That's kind of why Nick Meyer really nailed it with Wrath of Khan and why I think DS9 hit it big so much. Both of them tackled some very emotional issues, some of which that mirrored all the nastiness during WW2, as well as a lot of issues that weren't so prevalent back in the 90's that we have to face now.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 10, 2015, 09:04:09 AM
A federation without treachery, violence, a virtual utopia is potentially impossible. Also, without conflict, you can't have drama, therefore stories set in a utopia are really damn boring. That's kind of why Nick Meyer really nailed it with Wrath of Khan and why I think DS9 hit it big so much. Both of them tackled some very emotional issues, some of which that mirrored all the nastiness during WW2, as well as a lot of issues that weren't so prevalent back in the 90's that we have to face now.
Yep, and Khan had excellent screenwriters, who quoted Shakespeare and borrowed from Milton's "Paradise Lost," yet still kept it filled with action and suspense.  KHAAAAAAN!!

Oh, and I forgot to add, the last great "Big Ship vs Big Ship" combat taken from WWII vids much the same way Tie-fighter combat mirrored aerial dogfight videos.  So much more entertaining and tension-generating than "one phaser hit = you're ship asplode!"
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 10, 2015, 09:22:20 AM
Well, with Star Wars, most of the time it takes more than just one hit to shoot down our brave X-wing pilots. It's the Tie fighters that are a bit more vulnerable, what with their lack of shielding and everything. Still though, they could probably easily outmaneuver a lot of the small Federation class fighters and close in for one hell of a dog fight. Must... steer... thread... back on course!  ;D
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 10, 2015, 09:27:03 AM
Must... steer... thread... back on course!  ;D
Battlestar Gallactica!
OH NOW IT'S A COMPLETE DERAILMENT :speechless:
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 11, 2015, 11:05:50 AM
I was watching a TNG season 1 episode called "The Arsenal of Freedom". It was actually a decent episode, and there were some things about it I always found funny. It's also kinda cool because that's the first episode where Geordi gets to command the Enterprise.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 11, 2015, 11:15:33 AM
That is one of the better episodes from season one.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 11, 2015, 12:45:43 PM
I was watching a TNG season 1 episode called "The Arsenal of Freedom". It was actually a decent episode, and there were some things about it I always found funny. It's also kinda cool because that's the first episode where Geordi gets to command the Enterprise.
That is one of the better episodes from season one.
Agreed 8)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 11, 2015, 01:37:03 PM
"Arsenal of Freedom" also featured Vincent Schiavelli, who was John O'Connor in Terminator-- I mean The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai across the eighth dimension. Why is this relevant? Because at one point, Buckaroo Banzai says one of my favorite lines of all time "No matter where you go... there you are". It just so happens there is supposedly... supposedly a plaque on the bridge of the USS Excelsior that features this same quote. Source? Text commentary on Star Trek 6 The Undiscovered country.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 11, 2015, 03:35:43 PM
"Arsenal of Freedom" also featured Vincent Schiavelli, who was John O'Connor in Terminator-- I mean The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai across the eighth dimension. Why is this relevant? Because at one point, Buckaroo Banzai says one of my favorite lines of all time "No matter where you go... there you are". It just so happens there is supposedly... supposedly a plaque on the bridge of the USS Excelsior that features this same quote. Source? Text commentary on Star Trek 6 The Undiscovered country.

"Wherever you go, there you are." is a pretty old saying, possibly originally attributed to Buddha.
The similar Confucius quote is "Wherever you go, go with all your heart".
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 11, 2015, 04:23:03 PM
"Wherever you go, there you are." is a pretty old saying, possibly originally attributed to Buddha.
The similar Confucius quote is "Wherever you go, go with all your heart".
See I didn't even know that.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 11, 2015, 07:33:52 PM
Speaking of season one TNG, Justice is one of the funniest episodes, because to imagine Picard would do what he did just to save Wesley's life? Only reason I can imagine is so he can score points with Doctor Crusher. And then of course the episode portrays a planet of all white, physically fit people who are perfect in every way. When you put Justice next to Code of Honor... you can't help but feel a strong sense of Unease.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 11, 2015, 07:59:40 PM
That first half of the first season is truly awful.

The only episodes I ever re-watch completely from season one are: 11001001, Home Soil, The Neutral Zone.

There's a handful of others that I'll watch parts of, but most of that season is unwatchable.
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Post by: soguru on November 11, 2015, 08:00:36 PM
That first half of the first season is truly awful.
The only episodes I ever re-watch completely from season one are: 11001001, Home Soil, The Neutral Zone.
There's a handful of others that I'll watch parts of, but most of that season is unwatchable.
I'll say one thing for The Neutral Zone... it had the Agent for HARM in it. Otherwise The Neutral Zone felt like two totally different scripts turned into one episode that didn't quite gel...
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 11, 2015, 08:10:36 PM
That first half of the first season is truly awful.
The only episodes I ever re-watch completely from season one are: 11001001, Home Soil, The Neutral Zone.
There's a handful of others that I'll watch parts of, but most of that season is unwatchable.
I'll say one thing for The Neutral Zone... it had the Agent for HARM in it. Otherwise The Neutral Zone felt like two totally different scripts turned into one episode that didn't quite gel...

It's the oddness of The Neutral Zone that makes me rewatch it.  And I do like those characters from the past.

Not only does it feel like 2 different scripts, it feels like they didn't tell the actors in one script what was going on in the other one.  And what kind of direction was Patrick Stewart given?  Even for season one his character is "off".  His reaction to the people from the past is just so odd.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 12, 2015, 04:22:32 AM
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Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 12, 2015, 06:29:09 AM
Here's an interesting read..
http://www.disruptorbeam.com/blog/entry/wish-you-were-here-points-of-interest-in-star-trek-timelines
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 12, 2015, 11:15:59 AM
Terok Nor... a nice place to visit... BUT...
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 15, 2015, 02:46:14 PM
I was thinking about TNG the other day, and one episode always bugged me because it was so... confusing to me. The episode is entitled "A Matter of Perspective". Basically there are all these points of view of what actually transpired, all different. But my biggest boggle was that in the end, while the most important issue found its resolution, i wanted to know whose story was in fact, true. Some may point to the title of the episode as an explanation but I am still not entirely satisfied. It's an okay episode, but it still just bugs me.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 15, 2015, 03:38:59 PM
Without a recording of the events there is no way to know what really happened.   There have been plenty of studies done that show just how bad eye witness testimony is.  You can show the same scene to a bunch of people and then even just an hour later ask them what they watched and you'll get a lot of different stories, the longer you wait the more different the stories get.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 15, 2015, 03:51:20 PM
Without a recording of the events there is no way to know what really happened.   There have been plenty of studies done that show just how bad eye witness testimony is.  You can show the same scene to a bunch of people and then even just an hour later ask them what they watched and you'll get a lot of different stories, the longer you wait the more different the stories get.
I remember how funny it was when in Commander Riker's story, he kicked Dr Apgar's ass, then in Dr Apgar's story, he kicked Riker's ass... or something like that.
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Post by: The Lurker on November 15, 2015, 04:39:57 PM
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Post by: soguru on November 15, 2015, 06:02:48 PM
And I think that was from TNG's "Timescape". Can anyone explain why Crusher looks the way she does when getting shot by the Romulan and... almost dying?
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Post by: RVR II on November 15, 2015, 06:12:51 PM
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"Hello, Diane. I understand you're an empath. I'm a very [winks] sensitive man myself. I'm doing a thesis on interspecies mating rituals. Would you care to join me in some empirical research?"
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 15, 2015, 06:41:49 PM
Hey, good job RVR, even I didn't remember the precise line.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 15, 2015, 06:44:50 PM
Hey, good job RVR, even I didn't remember the precise line.
I laugh every time I watch that episode, especially when Data asks if she assisted him in his research :D :D
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 15, 2015, 07:04:11 PM
Hey, good job RVR, even I didn't remember the precise line.
I laugh every time I watch that episode, especially when Data asks if she assisted him in his research :D :D
I love in Arsenal of Freedom when Riker says his ship is the Lollipop. As an immature kid, I always wanted to ask, Why Riker? because it sucks?
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on November 15, 2015, 07:05:06 PM
Hey, good job RVR, even I didn't remember the precise line.
I laugh every time I watch that episode, especially when Data asks if she assisted him in his research :D :D
I love in Arsenal of Freedom when Riker says his ship is the Lollipop. As an immature kid, I always wanted to ask, Why Riker? because it sucks?
HA!  :rimshot: Nice one!
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Post by: soguru on November 15, 2015, 07:12:20 PM
HA!  :rimshot: Nice one!
Thanks. There was another weird thing that happened in the episode "Datalore". Lore suggests repelling the Crystalline Entity by beaming a tree into space then destroying it. Then Picard says "Make it so" then Lore says "Sir?". Damn right! Seriously, did I remember that whole exchange wrong? because that is some silly shit right there.
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Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 16, 2015, 01:15:33 PM
HA!  :rimshot: Nice one!
Thanks. There was another weird thing that happened in the episode "Datalore". Lore suggests repelling the Crystalline Entity by beaming a tree into space then destroying it. Then Picard says "Make it so" then Lore says "Sir?". Damn right! Seriously, did I remember that whole exchange wrong? because that is some silly shit right there.
Picard is such a Grootist...
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 16, 2015, 06:14:36 PM
I would always imagine the next scene where they do that, and it being all cartoonish, like Picard leaps out of his command chair "AH HAH! See?! We are dangerous! Observe the tree we just destroyed and quake in terror, bitch!"
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Post by: The Lurker on November 18, 2015, 04:48:59 PM
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Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 18, 2015, 07:05:53 PM
WOW.  :o That actually kind of reminds me of an exchange between Picard and "Ardra" in the episode " Devil's Due".
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Post by: RVR II on November 19, 2015, 03:50:49 AM
WOW.  :o That actually kind of reminds me of an exchange between Picard and "Ardra" in the episode " Devil's Due".
I was thinking the very same thing :o

Remember that episode where Jadzia Dax was having problems and she returned to the Trill homeworld and she takes off her white gown only to reveal another white gown before entering the pool?
I guess revealing a bikini instead was out of the question ::)
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Post by: soguru on November 19, 2015, 09:29:26 AM
I guess revealing a bikini instead was out of the question ::)
Kind of reminds me of that scene in Naked Gun 2 1/2 where Jane is about to get in the shower and she takes off about 2 dozen articles of clothing first.
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Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 19, 2015, 09:57:45 AM
WOW.  :o That actually kind of reminds me of an exchange between Picard and "Ardra" in the episode " Devil's Due".
I was thinking the very same thing :o

Remember that episode where Jadzia Dax was having problems and she returned to the Trill homeworld and she takes off her white gown only to reveal another white gown before entering the pool?
I guess revealing a bikini instead was out of the question ::)
Reminds me of the girls in "Guy from Harlem." 
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: soguru on November 23, 2015, 02:10:49 AM
I feel like for all the gripes a lot of people direct at JJ's Star Trek movies, there's hardly any scrutiny applied to a certain film in the franchise because it's so revered and so sanctified... Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Maybe it's the Shakespeare? Like when a movie quotes Shakespeare so much it gets a free pass at criticism or something?

I just have a hard time believing Federation and Klingon officials got together and said "Oh hey, our planet exploded, but we're not interested in peace... yeah, we'd rather just have war.". "Okay! Good deal, see you in hell!"

Also... why didn't Sulu just call up the Federation or Camp Khittomer and tell them there was a possible assassination attempt? I mean Sulu is in good graces with the Federation, so why wouldn't they believe him? We're talking about the future of the galaxy here... a possible interstellar war breaking out with potentially billions of casualties! Sulu, Kirk, Spock, nobody thinks to call up the Federation on a secure channel and tell them what they think is going on?! You're telling me at that range, Uhura can't raise the planet on hailing frequencies and say "Hey, general order 22" or something?

Here's my point... don't give me this "Why didn't they shoot the drill?!" bullshit. Why didn't they shoot the drill? Why didn't Sulu call the Federation and tell them what was up? The answer to both questions is this: The solution enacted is more dramatic, and therefore the movie is better off for it.

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy The Undiscovered Country, but I have always felt the assassination plot and the framing of Kirk and Mccoy felt really generic to me.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 23, 2015, 07:33:58 AM
Do people really love ST VI that much?

I love II and IV, and like VI a lot, but not as much as those 2.  And I probably like First Contact more than Undiscovered Country.

Never thought about Sulu sending a warning before, but I have thought that it was odd that there were no federation or Klingon ships around Khittomer.  All those high ranking people on the planet and no ships in orbit?  So they dropped off the president and left?
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Post by: RVR II on November 23, 2015, 07:59:36 AM
Undiscovered Country and Generations are probably my favorites of the movies :o
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 23, 2015, 08:20:19 AM
There's just a few things that really bug me about Generations, otherwise I would probably like it a lot more. 

Oh, and it was much better in the theater than at home, that scene with Pikard and Data in astrometrics was really impressive on a very large screen, to replicate that at home you would need a projector and an entire wall.
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Post by: RVR II on November 23, 2015, 08:34:28 AM
Oh, and it was much better in the theater than at home, that scene with Pikard and Data in astrometrics was really impressive on a very large screen, to replicate that at home you would need a projector and an entire wall.
That scene would look awesome in an IMAX theater :o
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Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 23, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
And quite frankly...NO ONE...over HUNDREDS of years and COUNTLESS worlds and civilizations ever thought of a homing photon torpedo before?
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 23, 2015, 09:05:55 AM
I'm pretty sure homing wasn't the problem, it was the cloaking device not giving them anything to lock onto until they added different sensors.

And of course that knowledge is lost forever after the movie, just track particle density and look for holes, or changes in particle velocity as the cloaked ship moves around, the vacuum of space is filled with lots of particles....

Previous events ignored is another thing about Generations that bugs me, after the first time his visor was hijacked Gordie didn't add any safeguards?
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Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 23, 2015, 09:33:15 AM
Previous events ignored is another thing about Generations that bugs me, after the first time his visor was hijacked Gordie didn't add any safeguards?
LoJack and Life-lock never got to the sub-space transmissions phase.
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Post by: soguru on November 23, 2015, 11:40:55 AM
Do people really love ST VI that much?
I love II and IV, and like VI a lot, but not as much as those 2.  And I probably like First Contact more than Undiscovered Country.
Never thought about Sulu sending a warning before, but I have thought that it was odd that there were no federation or Klingon ships around Khittomer.  All those high ranking people on the planet and no ships in orbit?  So they dropped off the president and left?
That was always my general impression of Star Trek VI. People love it to death and still do. I know why there were no spaceships around Khittomer... In all honesty, I think it was because the budget was pretty tight as it was. At the time Paramount was drowning in red ink and Nick Meyer barely got the 30 million he needed to produce the film.
Previous events ignored is another thing about Generations that bugs me, after the first time his visor was hijacked Gordie didn't add any safeguards?
Speaking of safeguards, doesn't the Federation have better standards for the recovery of recently released prisoners who may have experienced brutal physical and psychological torture? I find it very difficult to believe with all the exams Crusher did on Geordi that they somehow missed that something foreign was implanted in his visor. Did they forget about the time Geordi was kidnapped and brainwashed into being a tool of assassination?! Also, returning to duty immediately? There's a good reason why you don't let recently released prisoners go back on immediate duty! They could have been brainwashed, manipulated, and a whole host of heaven knows what. Seems like a much more exciting solution would have not been this clever "Oh let's hope Geordi passes by the convenient screen with the shield frequency", but a whole "let's call up our buddies from the Klingons and Romulans who are still loyal to us.". That would have eliminated a couple problems, most importantly that whole stupid thing about causing the cloaking device to engage. Sigh... again though, that might have just been the budget.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 23, 2015, 11:57:54 AM
Do people really love ST VI that much?
I love II and IV, and like VI a lot, but not as much as those 2.  And I probably like First Contact more than Undiscovered Country.
Never thought about Sulu sending a warning before, but I have thought that it was odd that there were no federation or Klingon ships around Khittomer.  All those high ranking people on the planet and no ships in orbit?  So they dropped off the president and left?
That was always my general impression of Star Trek VI. People love it to death and still do. I know why there were no spaceships around Khittomer... In all honesty, I think it was because the budget was pretty tight as it was. At the time Paramount was drowning in red ink and Nick Meyer barely got the 30 million he needed to produce the film.

It wasn't budget, the story needed the Enterprise to be the only ship around so they could be the ones to save the day, "we are the only ship in the area" is a common joke thing in all of Star Trek.  It just sticks out in that case because of all the VIPs on the planet.
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Post by: soguru on November 23, 2015, 12:03:04 PM
It wasn't budget, the story needed the Enterprise to be the only ship around so they could be the ones to save the day, "we are the only ship in the area" is a common joke thing in all of Star Trek.  It just sticks out in that case because of all the VIPs on the planet.
Very true. I don't mind that too much, but it needs to be a trope that has a change up, like really soon.
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Post by: Parker_Hylton on November 23, 2015, 12:48:00 PM
Well, and when the Enterprise was a scientific and exploration ship on the very edges of known space, it's far more understandable.  When you're a Galaxy-class Ambassador/Flagship that is the ONLY SHIP in that area it's far more questionable.  I expect that...just like in the Navy...flagships/ambassador ships/super important ships would have an entire escort.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 23, 2015, 01:07:42 PM
Once you realize how many times they use the "only ship in range" thing it does slightly spoil re-watching some good episodes that don't happen out on the edge of the federation, usually just for the moment you hear them say it.
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Post by: soguru on November 23, 2015, 01:40:09 PM
Once you realize how many times they use the "only ship in range" thing it does slightly spoil re-watching some good episodes that don't happen out on the edge of the federation, usually just for the moment you hear them say it.
They could at the very least say "There are other ships in the area but they're ill-equipped, or more ships in the area will be on the way to help us shortly". It doesn't cost anything to try and create the illusion.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 23, 2015, 02:00:52 PM
The pressure of a weekly hour long show must really impact the writing, there are many obvious things like that you would expect the writers to pick up on and fix with a simple change of a line or 2 here and there but they slip through even on the good episodes.  obviously on the episodes where the writing isn't good you expect that kind of thing so in an odd way the missed one line explanations don't stand out as much.
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Post by: soguru on November 23, 2015, 03:19:03 PM
And I can understand that, to some extent. That's why we have editors and table reads.

I still can't get past that whole Geordi in Generations situation. I mean for fuck's sakes, he was reprogrammed to become an assassin in one episode just a couple years prior, and they're just going to let Geordi roam the ship all willy nilly like that after being kidnapped and tortured, again? I think his visor makes him more vulnerable than Geordi would like to admit. You know what I find kind of sad is that his disability doesn't empower him. It shouldn't make him more vulnerable.
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Post by: The Lurker on November 28, 2015, 05:44:06 AM
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Post by: Sideswipe on November 28, 2015, 05:57:49 AM
Prepare for emergency sausage separation!
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Post by: RVR II on November 28, 2015, 06:24:12 AM
Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor, not a Meat Baster! :P
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Post by: soguru on November 28, 2015, 11:16:36 AM
Salami... the final frontier.
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Post by: RVR II on December 03, 2015, 05:02:26 PM
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Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 03, 2015, 05:04:08 PM
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Post by: RoninFox on December 04, 2015, 09:23:20 AM
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I didn't realize Data created Daria.

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Post by: RVR II on December 04, 2015, 10:07:16 AM
Huh Huh Th'that wuz cool! Uh huh huh
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Post by: soguru on December 05, 2015, 01:59:35 AM
I think Daria was just going through a Lal...
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Post by: The Lurker on December 11, 2015, 07:34:33 AM
Where Linkara discusses what to skip and see from Season One (and a little from 2):
http://atopfourthwall.tumblr.com/post/98291605723 (http://atopfourthwall.tumblr.com/post/98291605723)
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Post by: RVR II on December 11, 2015, 07:51:23 AM
About to wrap up my DS9 marathon this weekend.. I usually watch 1 season in a week but had to push it a bit and watch seasons 5 & 6 last week in order to be finished before we head out to Mexico next week :o
Still enjoy watching this series with only a few episodes worth skipping over..
I'll probably do another marathon by the Spring 8)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 11, 2015, 09:02:49 AM
Where Linkara discusses what to skip and see from Season One (and a little from 2):
http://atopfourthwall.tumblr.com/post/98291605723 (http://atopfourthwall.tumblr.com/post/98291605723)

That's an OK list.

I'd move The Child and The Outrageous Okona from "must skip" into the skipable but maybe use some fast forwarding list.  The rest I agree with, no one should bother ever watching them.

The Child has some good acting by Marina, but the rest is pretty much skipable.
The Outrageous Okona is not terrible, the story is kind of stupid but it is watchable.

And I disagree with Skin Of Evil being a must see, move that up into the fast forward category as well, there's only one bit of info from that episode needed later on.

I'd add more to the fast forward list:

Justice: A 10 minute story padded out.
Hide and Q: Very uneven, just watch Q and the ending.
When the Bough Breaks: The save the environment message is so subtle and well done... NOT!


There's probably a few more I'd add but can't think of right now.
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Post by: Parker_Hylton on December 14, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
sfdebris dot com was one of my favorite sites for the longest time.  He'd rip the hell out of star trek episodes, especially those that deserved it.  (Cough...any Neelix episode...aka the "sithhead"...but not so nice).  Unfortunately he started doing videos.  A lot of people prefer them, but I can't watch vid-e-ers at work.  Anyway, if you like Star Trek, but are not opposed to someone writing scathing reviews that usually are hilarious, you might want to check it out.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 14, 2015, 06:03:28 PM
sfdebris dot com was one of my favorite sites for the longest time.  He'd rip the hell out of star trek episodes, especially those that deserved it.  (Cough...any Neelix episode...aka the "sithhead"...but not so nice).  Unfortunately he started doing videos.  A lot of people prefer them, but I can't watch vid-e-ers at work.  Anyway, if you like Star Trek, but are not opposed to someone writing scathing reviews that usually are hilarious, you might want to check it out.

Do you listen to the Treknologic podcast?  They will rip apart or praise episodes as needed, and are usually amusing to listen to.  Of course the reviews of the really bad episodes are the most fun to listen to, they just did a terrible Voyager episode.

I listen to the Roddenberry Mission Log podcasts for the episodes I like, I stopped listening to them for the bad ones since they just don't rip into them enough, for the mediocre episodes it's a crap shoot, if they can't rip into it or praise it they tend to reach a bit for meanings in the episode.
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Post by: Parker_Hylton on December 15, 2015, 07:03:58 AM
No I'll have to check it out on a weekend sometime.
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Post by: soguru on December 15, 2015, 11:54:49 AM
sfdebris dot com was one of my favorite sites for the longest time.  He'd rip the hell out of star trek episodes, especially those that deserved it.  (Cough...any Neelix episode...aka the "sithhead"...but not so nice).  Unfortunately he started doing videos.  A lot of people prefer them, but I can't watch vid-e-ers at work.  Anyway, if you like Star Trek, but are not opposed to someone writing scathing reviews that usually are hilarious, you might want to check it out.
Sf Debris AKA "Chuck" would always be fair though when an episode actually had something good to offer, even Voyager or Enterprise episodes. It was funny because some episodes I thought he would give a piss poor grade to he'd end up giving a 6/10 or higher.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 24, 2015, 07:38:30 AM
http://www.space.com/30991-new-star-trek-tv-series-2017.html?cmpid=514630_20151224_56638386&adbid=10153219397186466&adbpl=fb&adbpr=17610706465
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 30, 2015, 02:48:39 PM
Paramount has filed a complaint to shut down the Axanar movie, guess all that extra money they got during their campaign ended up hurting them.  I hope it doesn't happen to Renegades, I supported the Kickstarter for the next 2 episodes of that.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on December 30, 2015, 09:11:40 PM
I still want RVR to explain why he thinks Generations is one of the best Trek movies...
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on December 30, 2015, 09:16:47 PM
I still want RVR to explain why he thinks Generations is one of the best Trek movies...
Jean-Luc Picard: You're a Starfleet officer. You have a duty.
Kirk: I don't need to be lectured by you. I was out saving the galaxy when your grandfather was in diapers. I'd say the galaxy owes me one.

Can't come up with much else right now :P
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on December 30, 2015, 11:54:24 PM
I still want RVR to explain why he thinks Generations is one of the best Trek movies...
Jean-Luc Picard: You're a Starfleet officer. You have a duty.
Kirk: I don't need to be lectured by you. I was out saving the galaxy when your grandfather was in diapers. I'd say the galaxy owes me one.
Can't come up with much else right now :P
Save it for another time then I guess.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Parker_Hylton on January 04, 2016, 12:43:42 PM
I still want RVR to explain why he thinks Generations is one of the best Trek movies...
Jean-Luc Picard: You're a Starfleet officer. You have a duty.
Kirk: I don't need to be lectured by you. I was out saving the galaxy when your grandfather was in diapers. I'd say the galaxy owes me one.

Can't come up with much else right now :P
The fact they are almost the same age is doubly funny.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RoninFox on January 04, 2016, 03:00:55 PM
I still want RVR to explain why he thinks Generations is one of the best Trek movies...
Jean-Luc Picard: You're a Starfleet officer. You have a duty.
Kirk: I don't need to be lectured by you. I was out saving the galaxy when your grandfather was in diapers. I'd say the galaxy owes me one.

Can't come up with much else right now :P

"I was driving starships while your great-grandfather was still in diapers! I think you'd be grateful for some help! I'll leave ya to work, Mr. La Forge."
-Montgomery Scott (TNG episode "Relics" 2 years before Generations)
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 04, 2016, 04:04:49 PM
I still want RVR to explain why he thinks Generations is one of the best Trek movies...
Jean-Luc Picard: You're a Starfleet officer. You have a duty.
Kirk: I don't need to be lectured by you. I was out saving the galaxy when your grandfather was in diapers. I'd say the galaxy owes me one.

Can't come up with much else right now :P

"I was driving starships while your great-grandfather was still in diapers! I think you'd be grateful for some help! I'll leave ya to work, Mr. La Forge."
-Montgomery Scott (TNG episode "Relics" 2 years before Generations)

I love that episode, pretty sure it's Scotty's last good performance.
After Star Trek IV he was reduced to mostly a background character or comic relief in the movies.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 04, 2016, 05:14:45 PM
Yes he was. Poor Scotty.  :( . RVR, I'm sorry but I find almost no redeeming qualities in Star Trek Generations whatsoever. In fact, I would dare to say most of Shatner's attempts at comedy succeeded better than the attempts at comedy in Generations.

Between Data's overall behavior(And ESPECIALLY the Life Forms song), Picard not picking someone else out from the Nexus besides Kirk,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
... vs the general overall badness and blandness of Star Trek V. In my opinion... and I am very, very, sorry for this RVR...but The Final Frontier is at least in my opinion, SOMEHOW a better film than Generations. :(
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RoninFox on January 04, 2016, 07:33:50 PM
Yes he was. Poor Scotty.  :( . RVR, I'm sorry but I find almost no redeeming qualities in Star Trek Generations whatsoever. In fact, I would dare to say most of Shatner's attempts at comedy succeeded better than the attempts at comedy in Generations.

Between Data's overall behavior(And ESPECIALLY the Life Forms song), Picard not picking someone else out from the Nexus besides Kirk,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
... vs the general overall badness and blandness of Star Trek V. In my opinion... and I am very, very, sorry for this RVR...but The Final Frontier is at least in my opinion, SOMEHOW a better film than Generations. :(

I don't know if I'd go that far. There are things I enjoy about Generations. Even if he wasn't given the best material, Stewart delivered in many of the scenes. The writing was pretty horrible, though, and full of holes.

For all the attention Red Letter Media gets for its Star Wars reviews, their earlier take on this movie was a pretty sound thrashing.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 04, 2016, 10:43:52 PM
I think I find The Final Frontier to be horrendous, but Generations... I don't know Roninfox, it's a very close race for me.

I think I've nailed down the main difference, Star Trek V was really ambitious but obviously stumbled... and similarly I'm not even sure what the message of Generations was supposed to be. There's all this vague crap Picard talks about in the sense of how time is so important and is a friend or some bullshit, but the problem is... what caused him to have any kind of epiphany? Was it his experience in the Nexus? See if that's the case... that's a pretty fucked up reason. That's almost like "Oh man, this drug caused me to see life in a whole new way", because the Nexus is kind of analogous to some kind of drug, because as we know, drugs are like that too.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 06, 2016, 08:38:43 AM
For me Generations is very uneven.  Some parts of it are very good, and some parts are really stupid.  The same with the cinematography, most of it is well done but then there are times it seems like they gave the camera to a little kid.

For example he crash scene drives me crazy, the way it is filmed and edited is horrendous, jump cuts, stupid zooms into Riker's face, it's poorly done from just about every aspect of movie making.  Only good thing about that scene is it gave us a better looking enterprise in the next movie.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 06, 2016, 11:11:23 AM
I'll tell you what I really hate about the Crash scene is why the hell did it even happen? We've seen the Saucer section move at warp nine and this movie is telling us it can't even escape a nearby planet's atmosphere? It's like this movie disregards so much we know or were previously told in Trek without much or any reason given. It's almost like that notorious Voyager episode where Janeway is a Giant lizard monster... you know, just like any other Voyager episode...  ;)

Oh, that and Worf's flashlight during the crash... what the hell is he holding that damn flashlight for?! "I need to find my keys, I lost them during the crash!" Also, at that speed.... I refuse to believe anybody is surviving that crash. It's pretty obvious the inertial dampeners or something aren't really working very well.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RoninFox on January 06, 2016, 11:22:45 AM
We've only seen the saucer section move at warp 9 when propelled by the drive section. That saucer itself does not have warp capability, only impulse and thrusters.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 06, 2016, 11:32:48 AM
We've only seen the saucer section move at warp 9 when propelled by the drive section. That saucer itself does not have warp capability, only impulse and thrusters.
meh... I just don't see it happening. I also don't see how that explosion caused them to lose control to that degree. I think the saucer could have easily escaped the atmosphere... but I think it was Riker's incompetence that caused everything to go all to hell.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 06, 2016, 11:45:43 AM
It's like this movie disregards so much we know or were previously told in Trek

Another example of that is at the end when they are sifting through the rubble and Picard just tosses away that 12,000 year old artifact that was such a big deal for him to get in the episode "The Chase".  After everything that happened in that episode you would think that thing would be kind of important to Picard but he throws it aside as if it was garbage.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 06, 2016, 04:55:13 PM
Another example of that is at the end when they are sifting through the rubble and Picard just tosses away that 12,000 year old artifact that was such a big deal for him to get in the episode "The Chase".  After everything that happened in that episode you would think that thing would be kind of important to Picard but he throws it aside as if it was garbage.
Ah yes, the "Kurlan Naiskos"? Red Letter Media pointed that out in their Generations review and I nearly lost it(laughed my ass off) because it's so hysterical how Picard just throws it to the side with indifference. Oh well... You know, it's not easy to keep track of all the continuity from seven years of TV... so I don't expect them to remember every single thing... but some side notes might help here and there.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 06, 2016, 09:13:18 PM

Data has been recovered from 200 old floppy disks used on Gene's custom computers that he used in the 80s:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/01/files-on-nearly-200-floppy-disks-belonging-to-star-trek-creator-recovered/
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RoninFox on January 07, 2016, 09:12:05 AM
Another example of that is at the end when they are sifting through the rubble and Picard just tosses away that 12,000 year old artifact that was such a big deal for him to get in the episode "The Chase".  After everything that happened in that episode you would think that thing would be kind of important to Picard but he throws it aside as if it was garbage.
Ah yes, the "Kurlan Naiskos"? Red Letter Media pointed that out in their Generations review and I nearly lost it(laughed my ass off) because it's so hysterical how Picard just throws it to the side with indifference. Oh well... You know, it's not easy to keep track of all the continuity from seven years of TV... so I don't expect them to remember every single thing... but some side notes might help here and there.

I loved that too, along with the observation of all the windows breaking when the ship crashed. "With the stresses that a Starship is subjected to, do you really think the windows are made of GLASS?"
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 07, 2016, 11:25:41 AM
Exactly... and I vaguely remember them revealing in a Next Gen episode that the windows are made of Transparent Aluminum. A tribute to both Scotty AND the writing of Nick Meyer.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on January 07, 2016, 06:29:06 PM
Just got in from my latest trip to Mexico and the first thing I did (after ordering Papa Johns cause we have no food in the house) was play STGenerations Encounter at Farpoint..
Why ??? I guess I was in a Q mood and why not start with the first episode of Q-izms :o
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 07, 2016, 09:05:11 PM
You can see what Roddenberry wanted to do with Encounter At Farpoint... but overall it wasn't the strongest of series openers. I still think DS9's "The Emissary" is easily the best pilot of any Trek series, with "Where no man has gone before" at a close second, then... well, I guess 3rd place would go to "Encounter at Farpoint", and then Voyager's "Caretaker", then Enterprise's "Broken Bow" comes dead last for me. I can't speak for the Animated series "Beyond the farthest star" because I've never seen it.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on January 07, 2016, 09:13:41 PM
There's just so much 'cheeze' in the Farpoint episode, I had to laugh ..
"Picking up something on the Detection Circuit!!" ???
 :D :D
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 07, 2016, 09:39:06 PM
There's just so much 'cheeze' in the Farpoint episode, I had to laugh ..
"Picking up something on the Detection Circuit!!" ???
 :D :D
And then Wesley says something about "Perimeter Alert"?

What I really always hated about Picard was that the second he turns the ship around and goes back to Q, who's in pursuit of the Enterprise, Picard basically just surrenders. Even when I was only 9 in 1987, deep down inside me I thought "Oh shit... this is going to be our Captain for the foreseeable future? Can't we just get Kirk back somehow?"
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on January 07, 2016, 10:09:15 PM
There's just so much 'cheeze' in the Farpoint episode, I had to laugh ..
"Picking up something on the Detection Circuit!!" ???
 :D :D
And then Wesley says something about "Perimeter Alert"?

Yeah and a few of Tasha's lines made me cringe, like when she stood up to Q in court and he froze her..
I actually like that scene :o
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 08, 2016, 12:13:02 AM
You can see what Roddenberry wanted to do with Encounter At Farpoint... but overall it wasn't the strongest of series openers. I still think DS9's "The Emissary" is easily the best pilot of any Trek series, with "Where no man has gone before" at a close second, then... well, I guess 3rd place would go to "Encounter at Farpoint", and then Voyager's "Caretaker", then Enterprise's "Broken Bow" comes dead last for me. I can't speak for the Animated series "Beyond the farthest star" because I've never seen it.

The Cage is the best pilot of all of them...

Although Where No Man Has Gone Before was filmed as the 2nd pilot, it didn't open the series, Man Trap was aired first.  The pilot aired 3rd.  Must have been weird for people to see that episode with stuff looking different than the first 2, and back then it was not so easy to get explanations like we can today.

I'd put Caretaker and Broken Bow about even in last place, neither is very strong, I've watched Broken Bow more times simply because I like that series better than Voyager.  Kind of sad that Voyager has more seasons but Enterprise has more episodes I like to re-watch.

Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 08, 2016, 04:11:53 PM
The Cage is the best pilot of all of them...
Although Where No Man Has Gone Before was filmed as the 2nd pilot, it didn't open the series, Man Trap was aired first.  The pilot aired 3rd.  Must have been weird for people to see that episode with stuff looking different than the first 2, and back then it was not so easy to get explanations like we can today.
I'd put Caretaker and Broken Bow about even in last place, neither is very strong, I've watched Broken Bow more times simply because I like that series better than Voyager.  Kind of sad that Voyager has more seasons but Enterprise has more episodes I like to re-watch.
Oh yeah I knew "Where no man..." was the 2nd pilot, but I think "The Cage" while it has a good story, the characters are just very very weak(Never did like Captain Pike). As for Spock, as Leonard Nimoy put it, Spock was still "gestating" because by then he didn't have the character completely nailed down yet. I also knew the Pilot aired 3rd way back then. I also think "Where no man has gone before" is the stronger pilot.

I'd say Archer is a better Captain than Janeway. If for no other reason, at least he didn't do what she did in "Caretaker". But as for a side by side comparison of both series, and this is just my opinion only... I can't stand the characters in either.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 09, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
It's interesting that the best regular characters in Voyager and Enterprise were the doctors.

I can't stand the characters in either.

All of them, or just the ones you can't stand ruin the entire show?

At least Enterprise had a more believable story arc overall, and had way more character development.  Enterprise even had development in the background characters.  Shran is a fantastic character.   And Enterprise had the hot "moody" Vulcan, so it has that going for it. 

By the nature of the story the characters in Voyager were forced into unbelievable decisions that made their characters look bad.   It was really stupid writing to have them constantly finding ways to get home yet every time there was something to stop them, since the series would be over if they got home everyone watching was simply looking for the inevitable snag that prevents them from doing so.  And it also has characters going through hell and never changing, at least in Enterprise when big moments happened with the characters they didn't hit a big reset button and pretend nothing happened next week.

I'd say by the end of the 2nd season most of the annoying traits in the characters on Enterprise were gone, but can't say that ever happened in Voyager.  For Voyager the few good characters got better but the rest never did.   
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 09, 2016, 06:57:41 PM
All of them, or just the ones you can't stand ruin the entire show?
At least Enterprise had a more believable story arc overall, and had way more character development.  Enterprise even had development in the background characters.  Shran is a fantastic character.   
I'll grant you Shran, although I confess I didn't get into Enterprise deep enough to get into his character... but I just didn't find any of the main characters interesting or compelling at all. Overall, I found everybody to be pretty forgettable and/or boring. Didn't matter if it was Archer, Phlox, T'pol, Malcom, Travis, Hoshi or Trip. Of the few episodes(maybe 15-20) I watched entirely, I never found myself caring about them or thinking "Well... this is an interesting development!". In a sci-fi show, the believable factor is very low on my list of pre-reqs. In the past year or so I've stopped thinking story was the most important thing, relegating it to the 2nd most important thing. What's the most important thing? The quality of the characters. Without them, there's little if nothing for me to enjoy.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 09, 2016, 11:45:20 PM
All of them, or just the ones you can't stand ruin the entire show?
At least Enterprise had a more believable story arc overall, and had way more character development.  Enterprise even had development in the background characters.  Shran is a fantastic character.   
I'll grant you Shran, although I confess I didn't get into Enterprise deep enough to get into his character... but I just didn't find any of the main characters interesting or compelling at all. Overall, I found everybody to be pretty forgettable and/or boring. Didn't matter if it was Archer, Phlox, T'pol, Malcom, Travis, Hoshi or Trip. Of the few episodes(maybe 15-20) I watched entirely, I never found myself caring about them or thinking "Well... this is an interesting development!". In a sci-fi show, the believable factor is very low on my list of pre-reqs. In the past year or so I've stopped thinking story was the most important thing, relegating it to the 2nd most important thing. What's the most important thing? The quality of the characters. Without them, there's little if nothing for me to enjoy.

Did you watch the 4th season?  The characters are all much better by that time than the first 2 seasons.  The 3 episode story on Vulcan is fantastic.

Chemistry between the characters is what I look for, granted that was seriously lacking for most of the first 2 seasons of Enterprise, it really didn't start to develop until season 3, and started to become good by the time of that Vucan story in season 4 and afterwards. 

Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 10, 2016, 08:56:23 AM
Did you watch the 4th season?  The characters are all much better by that time than the first 2 seasons.  The 3 episode story on Vulcan is fantastic.

Chemistry between the characters is what I look for, granted that was seriously lacking for most of the first 2 seasons of Enterprise, it really didn't start to develop until season 3, and started to become good by the time of that Vucan story in season 4 and afterwards.
I did watch quite a few season 4 episodes(including the mirror universe ones). I just never connected with any of them. With Enterprise it just never got to the point where I was like "I really like this person" like I did with Sisko, Bashir, Odo, Quark, Garak, Nog or Gul Dukat from DS9. To be perfectly honest, I even found Vic Fontaine to be more compelling than any of the Enterprise crew.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 11, 2016, 09:11:14 AM
Never thought of this before but with the 2 mirror universe episodes and the big FU that is the crappy TNG finale, we were robbed of 3 real episodes just when Enterprise was getting good....

Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 11, 2016, 11:35:48 AM
Well, there will be another Star Trek series eventually, it's just a matter of when, and if they can get things right. A lot of the show's success I'm guessing will hinge heavily on the pilot episode.
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Post by: RoninFox on January 11, 2016, 12:27:10 PM
it's just a matter of when
January 2017.

and if they can get things right.
That I don't know yet, but I have hopes.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 11, 2016, 03:00:44 PM
Considering all the entities involved I seriously doubt I'll want to watch the new series.  But we'll see.

What's Ron Moore doing these days?  If they got him in as a lead writer I'd pay extra for the new series....
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: Russell AKA Soguru on January 11, 2016, 03:15:16 PM
Considering all the entities involved I seriously doubt I'll want to watch the new series.  But we'll see.

What's Ron Moore doing these days?  If they got him in as a lead writer I'd pay extra for the new series....
If this were years ago I'd be very ambiguous about bringing Ronald Moore back... but I've heard really good things about Battlestar Galactica, so that could work.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on January 14, 2016, 06:11:35 PM
Just re-watched ST TNG 'We'll Always Have Paris" episode and didn't realize that Picard's love interest, Jenice Manheim was played by Michelle Phillips from 'The Mamas and The Papas' :o
My favorite song from them was 'California Dreamin' that she co-wrote.
The Beach Boys re-did the song in 1986 and that's the only song I liked from them (mainly because I was forced to listen to them by my parents :grr: )

https://www.youtube.com/v/Oe3VBoE3g4k
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Post by: RVR II on February 01, 2016, 05:52:55 PM
Live Long and Pawsper :P

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Post by: RVR II on February 09, 2016, 10:49:05 AM
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/star-trek-bryan-fuller-showrunner-cbs-hannibal-1201700606/
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Post by: RVR II on February 17, 2016, 03:02:26 PM
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Post by: RVR II on February 23, 2016, 08:04:20 AM
Kurn could be back :o
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/02/star-trek-veteran-tony-todd-says-hes-on-the-casting-short-list-for-2017-cbs-all-access-series/
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 23, 2016, 08:29:23 AM
Kurn could be back :o
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/02/star-trek-veteran-tony-todd-says-hes-on-the-casting-short-list-for-2017-cbs-all-access-series/

He could be playing anything, but this does give me hope it's the real timeline and takes place after DS9.  If he's playing an old Jake Sisko that would be encouraging.
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Post by: RVR II on February 23, 2016, 08:47:29 AM
Kurn could be back :o
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/02/star-trek-veteran-tony-todd-says-hes-on-the-casting-short-list-for-2017-cbs-all-access-series/

He could be playing anything, but this does give me hope it's the real timeline and takes place after DS9.  If he's playing an old Jake Sisko that would be encouraging.
Yeah he's a great actor!
He'll be good at what ever he plays :o
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on February 24, 2016, 11:11:48 AM
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Post by: RVR II on February 26, 2016, 01:33:34 PM
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/02/wrath-of-khans-nicholas-meyer-joins-cbss-2017-star-trek-tv-series-writing-staff/
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 26, 2016, 01:40:54 PM
Can't remember if this has been posted here yet:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Dnv6oIUDL._SL1004_.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017V0LHV2
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on February 26, 2016, 01:52:21 PM
Cool!! :o
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Post by: RVR II on February 28, 2016, 05:51:42 AM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/03001/Picard_zps8xbey4sx.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/03001/Picard_zps8xbey4sx.jpg.html)
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Post by: RoninFox on February 29, 2016, 06:57:25 AM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/03001/Picard_zps8xbey4sx.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/03001/Picard_zps8xbey4sx.jpg.html)

Yoink! *Off to facebook*
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on February 29, 2016, 07:08:31 AM
I don't think I ever posted this hypnotic-Spock here :o
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/03001/spockdancegiphy_zpsjcmieiks.gif) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/03001/spockdancegiphy_zpsjcmieiks.gif.html)
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Post by: RVR II on March 03, 2016, 01:15:13 PM
Rod Roddenberry is Exec Producer :o
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cbs-new-star-trek-adds-872557
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 03, 2016, 02:51:33 PM
Well, they sure are bringing in some people that give me hope that this might actually be a Star Trek series.
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Post by: RVR II on March 03, 2016, 03:29:11 PM
Well, they sure are bringing in some people that give me hope that this might actually be a Star Trek series.
Agreed!
Brings back the days when I looked forward to TNG and DS9 every week :o
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Post by: RVR II on March 07, 2016, 07:54:00 PM
Not sure if this should be spoilered..  :speechless:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/03001/STvillagepeople_zpspjv2mnsv.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/03001/STvillagepeople_zpspjv2mnsv.jpg.html)
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Post by: RVR II on March 09, 2016, 12:31:35 PM
Tales from ST TNG set.. :o
http://briff.me/2015/11/20/star-trek-the-next-generation/?utm_campaign=startrekng1&utm_source=facebook
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 09, 2016, 01:07:28 PM
I hate those click through articles, just to get page reloads on the site.  :angry:

Looks like all stuff I already know.
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Post by: RVR II on March 09, 2016, 01:45:46 PM
I hate those click through articles, just to get page reloads on the site.  :angry:

Looks like all stuff I already know.
Yeah I agree I hate those slide shows as well.

There was a few things I was unaware of, like Troi could've had 4 breasts :o
And leaving Geordi's visor on for kids with disabilities.. That was cool.
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Post by: RVR II on March 09, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
I'm liking this new Star Trek series on CBS more and more :o
http://therealstanlee.com/meyer-new-star-trek

Quote
Trekkies rejoice because Star Trek is set to return.

The brand-new series will not be a reboot nor will it be a part of J. J. Abrams' alternate universe, but, much like Next Generation or Voyager, will be a continuation of the original universe following a new crew on an original mission to explore the final frontier.

While not much is known about what the new show will entail, Bryan Fuller, the series’ showrunner, just brought a Star Trek legend on board to write for the actual next generation.

Nicholas Meyer, the critically acclaimed writer and director who worked on the iconic Star Trek movies Wrath of Kahn, The Voyage Home, and The Undiscovered Country, has officially joined the new crew. When Star Trek finally makes its triumphant return to the small screen it will be just as good as, if not better than, ever.
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Post by: The Lurker on March 10, 2016, 07:26:55 AM
http://screencrush.com/cbs-star-trek-beyond-paramount-rights/ (http://screencrush.com/cbs-star-trek-beyond-paramount-rights/)
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Post by: RVR II on March 10, 2016, 07:33:37 AM
There always seems to be some 'red tape' around to screw things up :grr:
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 10, 2016, 08:23:50 AM
There always seems to be some 'red tape' around to screw things up :grr:

I was wondering why it was going to take them so long before the new show airs, seemed odd to wait until the year after the 50th anniversary.

What a stupid deal to have made, but that's the history of the entertainment industry.

There were movies out while the show was on TV for decades.
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Post by: The Lurker on March 10, 2016, 08:35:40 AM
I guess they think people will be confused with two universes going on at the same time.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 10, 2016, 08:43:36 AM
I guess they think people will be confused with two universes going on at the same time.

They made the deal 10 years ago, before the Star Trek universe was split. 
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Post by: anais.butterfly on March 11, 2016, 10:33:41 AM
When did Riker and Deanna start hooking up? (Season)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 11, 2016, 11:55:22 AM
When did Riker and Deanna start hooking up? (Season)

I'm pretty sure they never did during the run of the TV show, except maybe that one episode when they had their identities wiped.

They were a couple some years before they were assigned to the Enterprise, and then started up again and got married during the TNG movies.

When Deanna shows up in a few episodes of Voyager she was still married to him.
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Post by: anais.butterfly on March 11, 2016, 01:31:33 PM
When did Riker and Deanna start hooking up? (Season)

I'm pretty sure they never did during the run of the TV show, except maybe that one episode when they had their identities wiped.

They were a couple some years before they were assigned to the Enterprise, and then started up again and got married during the TNG movies.

When Deanna shows up in a few episodes of Voyager she was still married to him.


So, there romance on the show isn't discussed. It's just a random thing tossed in. That seems very unlike a show that people seem to love so much.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 11, 2016, 01:50:36 PM
When did Riker and Deanna start hooking up? (Season)

I'm pretty sure they never did during the run of the TV show, except maybe that one episode when they had their identities wiped.

They were a couple some years before they were assigned to the Enterprise, and then started up again and got married during the TNG movies.

When Deanna shows up in a few episodes of Voyager she was still married to him.


So, there romance on the show isn't discussed. It's just a random thing tossed in. That seems very unlike a show that people seem to love so much.

The fact that they were a couple in the past and still care about each other a lot comes up quite often during the run of the TV show.
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Post by: anais.butterfly on March 11, 2016, 03:00:39 PM
When did Riker and Deanna start hooking up? (Season)

I'm pretty sure they never did during the run of the TV show, except maybe that one episode when they had their identities wiped.

They were a couple some years before they were assigned to the Enterprise, and then started up again and got married during the TNG movies.

When Deanna shows up in a few episodes of Voyager she was still married to him.


So, there romance on the show isn't discussed. It's just a random thing tossed in. That seems very unlike a show that people seem to love so much.

The fact that they were a couple in the past and still care about each other a lot comes up quite often during the run of the TV show.

But they only talk about they used to like each other and then they just show up married?
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 11, 2016, 06:54:35 PM
When did Riker and Deanna start hooking up? (Season)

I'm pretty sure they never did during the run of the TV show, except maybe that one episode when they had their identities wiped.

They were a couple some years before they were assigned to the Enterprise, and then started up again and got married during the TNG movies.

When Deanna shows up in a few episodes of Voyager she was still married to him.


So, there romance on the show isn't discussed. It's just a random thing tossed in. That seems very unlike a show that people seem to love so much.

The fact that they were a couple in the past and still care about each other a lot comes up quite often during the run of the TV show.

But they only talk about they used to like each other and then they just show up married?

It's hard to remember when the marriage thing happened, it was after First Contact, I've kind of blocked out those last 2 bad movies but I'm pretty sure it happened during one of those, maybe?  I'm sure the timeline of their romantic life is on the internet somewhere, I don't care enough to look it up.
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Post by: RoninFox on March 12, 2016, 04:25:12 AM
Many of the writers wanted to downplay the romance during the run of the series. It was really the actors who kept it in the subtext a lot of the time, unless it was an episode with Troi's mother in it, since she was obsessed with seeing her daughter married.

In the third movie, Insurrection, Troi and Riker started feeling frisky due to the rejuvinating effects of the region of space they were in, it stirred up old feelings and they were acting like lovestruck kids again, wound up in a bathtub shaving Riker's beard at one point (Troi didn't like kissing a beard).

They were engaged at the begining of the next movie, Nemesis, and were heading to the wedding on Betazed before that movie's mission came up.
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 12, 2016, 10:30:06 AM
Good to know I've been successful in forgetting as much as possible about Nemesis, I remembered something about them and a wedding but that was about it. 
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Post by: RVR II on March 12, 2016, 10:40:28 AM
Good to know I've been successful in forgetting as much as possible about Nemesis, I remembered something about them and a wedding but that was about it.
You should rewatch it with a certain iRiff *cough*roninfoxtrax*cough* :P
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Post by: RVR II on March 17, 2016, 11:59:28 AM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/03001/12140687_1510949728934475_2431345123840929559_n_zpsg7sldvqk.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/03001/12140687_1510949728934475_2431345123840929559_n_zpsg7sldvqk.jpg.html)
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Post by: RVR II on March 17, 2016, 06:19:21 PM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/03/03001/12832344_1063418820381160_6669617738306034083_n_zps80dcrmhf.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/rvr2/media/03/03001/12832344_1063418820381160_6669617738306034083_n_zps80dcrmhf.jpg.html)
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2016, 07:04:24 PM
Couldn't resist doing a quick and dirty recreation of this scene now that I have the models:

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/refit8.jpg)

Someday I'll do a better job with some kind of supports that can be photoshopped out easily.
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Post by: RVR II on March 23, 2016, 04:37:40 AM
They still look awesome! :o
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Post by: The Lurker on March 24, 2016, 06:44:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/KprRmWq.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on March 29, 2016, 10:48:30 AM
Counselor Troi is 61 today?! :speechless:
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 29, 2016, 12:56:19 PM
Counselor Troi is 61 today?! :speechless:

Marina has aged extremely well.

Gates is also looking pretty good for 67.
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Post by: RVR II on March 29, 2016, 01:10:23 PM
Counselor Troi is 61 today?! :speechless:

Marina has aged extremely well.

Gates is also looking pretty good for 67.
Man time is flying by :'(
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 31, 2016, 10:53:59 AM
Started on a 1:1000 scale Romulan Bird of Prey.

The top of the model matches the studio prop really well but the front does not, so to make the ports match up it means attaching lots of little bits.

So, tiny drills and tiny rods of styrene are in, hope they look OK once sanded down and painted.

Still torn between the 2 colors on the test pieces, the left is aluminum over gloss white, the right is aluminum over royal light gray.

Those white rods are 0.040 inches in diameter:
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/1_1000_rbop_1.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on March 31, 2016, 11:52:03 AM
:o That will look cool when finished (I think)!
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 31, 2016, 04:16:45 PM
Some light sanding to even them out is the most I can do tonight, going to have to wait another day or 2 for the glue to fully harden up before really working on the pegs.

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/models/1_1000_rbop_2.jpg)
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Post by: RVR II on April 01, 2016, 08:03:14 AM
Star Trek White Noise Sleep Machine
http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ivmt/?pfm=HP_FeaturedProducts_3_ivmt
I think $150 is waaayyy over priced though ???
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Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 01, 2016, 08:14:17 AM
Star Trek White Noise Sleep Machine
http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ivmt/?pfm=HP_FeaturedProducts_3_ivmt
I think $150 is waaayyy over priced though ???

Well, it's got a projector as well as a large touch screen display, so maybe not too overpriced.
I'd get one if it wasn't so darn big, it's almost a foot square.
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: RVR II on April 01, 2016, 08:18:00 AM
Star Trek White Noise Sleep Machine
http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ivmt/?pfm=HP_FeaturedProducts_3_ivmt
I think $150 is waaayyy over priced though ???

Well, it's got a projector as well as a large touch screen display, so maybe not too overpriced.
I'd get one if it wasn't so darn big, it's almost a foot square.
If it projected a random episode of TNG or DS9 from a hard drive, then I think it would be worth the money :o
Title: Re: RVR II's Star Trek thread.. Cause it's sure to veer off course!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 02, 2016, 01:45:23 AM
Star Trek White Noise Sleep Machine
http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ivmt/?pfm=HP_FeaturedProducts_3_ivmt
I think $150 is waaayyy over priced though ???

Well, it's got a projector as well as a large touch screen display, so maybe not too overpriced.
I'd get one if it wasn't so darn big, it's almost a foot square.
If it projected a random episode of TNG or DS9 from a hard drive, then I think it would be worth the money :o

Turns out it wasn't a real product anyway, it was one of their April fools joke items.  Take out the projector and make it a regular alarm clock and they probably would sell a ton of them at $30 or so...
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