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Title: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: timechaser on February 17, 2007, 10:47:52 AM
I can't be the only one to read this overwhelming series. I've recently finished book eleven and I've been reading them on and off since i was twelve. I heard that Robert Jordan is going to finish on the twelfth book, which could be over 1500 pages long, the way he writes. I love the books, but the stories are so drawn out now, and the hundreds of characters get me confused. Plus, the Aes Sedai can be so bitchy sometimes...
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: MarkAndrew on February 20, 2007, 12:01:18 PM
I own them all, frankly I just want the series to be over.  The first 6 or so books were really good (yes the first book is a Tolkien ripoff, the author acknowledges it.  It's still good.) then the series got seriously bogged down in minutia and unnecessary plot tangents.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Brak on February 20, 2007, 03:20:52 PM
I only got to the 2nd book, finished that, then never started it up again. I think it was just because of what a lot of people said that it just drags on and on with nothing accomplished. I guess they were right with what you guys are saying
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 20, 2007, 05:54:17 PM
if you have a longer book than war and peace, its IMO not worth the time ;)
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 21, 2007, 05:35:08 AM
My feelings on Robart Jordan are mixed. He's a decent epic fantasy writer. He uses stock cultures and stock species, but he does them well, draws out their potential and fleshes them out in glorious detail. I do have a problem with the Aes Sadae and Robert Jordan's magic system in general. The Feminine/Masculine magic thing is, in my view, overused in fantasy, and his attempts at insights into relationships between men and women tend to seem a little to harsh and stereotypical. The moment any female gains power or influence she becomes a jealousy-charged paranoid manipulater, and most of the guys turn rather intensely clueless and long-suffering. The Ogiers are well done, but the core concept is rather uninspired. The trollocs are visually interesting, but heavy with the scent of "generic pure-evil easily defeated minions" with a kind of broadband immorality that frees the writer from having to give them motives and makes it easy for them to overpower a large well-trained group or be driven off by a few peasants with torches.

I'd be more interested in seeing say, Ogiers or Trollocs channeling the One Power, than an endless yin-yang dichotomy about masculine and feminine with the aristotle element system.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: pwndabear on February 22, 2007, 07:42:49 PM
I actually just started reading the series.  Literally just started reading it yesterday and I see this thread here.  SO far it seems pretty interesting though it starts off kind of slow.  I've been told it gets much better but the series dies off later on and isn't as interesting.

Just sayin.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Jinto on February 24, 2007, 05:42:28 PM
I'm still reading the series, though mostly just to finish it at this point. I figure after this many books, if I don't actually finish, then it would have been a complete waste of my time. At least this way I'll be able to legitimately critique the series as a whole, instead of being one of those people who decide everything about something after only the first small N% of something (be it book 1 of a series, or episode 1 of a tv series, or whatever). Plus I just have to finish a story. I hate not knowing the end of a story.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: timechaser on February 25, 2007, 09:12:07 AM
I'm still reading the series, though mostly just to finish it at this point. I figure after this many books, if I don't actually finish, then it would have been a complete waste of my time. At least this way I'll be able to legitimately critique the series as a whole, instead of being one of those people who decide everything about something after only the first small N% of something (be it book 1 of a series, or episode 1 of a tv series, or whatever). Plus I just have to finish a story. I hate not knowing the end of a story.


Thats exactly how I feel at this point. The latest book had some good points, but I didn't really like how Rand keeps discovering new ways to destroy millions of Trollocs single handedly. It really takes away the feeling of danger whenever they show up just because they're so easy to kill now. Plus all the insanely long and boring subplots involving retarded nobles.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: AmazingThor on March 07, 2007, 10:23:53 AM
If I'm not mistaken, he's working on the last book right now. Although doesn't he have some form of cancer? I think he has a condition where his heart is filled up with amyloids or something. Anyway, I hope he gets better (and not JUST because I want to finish the series...)
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: survival_machine on September 17, 2007, 05:24:50 PM
Is this really true? Robert Jordan is dead? That's too bad even though I hated his books with a passion.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Jinto on September 25, 2007, 06:56:11 AM
As sad as it is to have RJ pass on before finishing his colossal series, I'd be ten times more upset if George R. R. Martin couldn't finish his "A Song of Ice and Fire" series.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Fortis on December 29, 2007, 05:45:15 PM
A new author was chosen to finish the last Wheel of Time book since Robert Jordan died.

His name is Brandon Sanderson. I'm actually way excited, cuz Brandon Sanderson has written some of my favorite all time fantasy novels.

Check out him and his work. A couple of his books are called Elantris, Mistborn,and The Well of Ascension If you check out his website he also has a rough draft for a free novel you can download and read, so far it has been pretty cool. It is called Warbreaker.

Check out his website, www.brandonsanderson.com (http://www.brandonsanderson.com)
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Jinto on December 29, 2007, 07:34:00 PM
I've read Elantris. It was fairly original in its handling of magic, so I give him some props there. I liked the book, although I wouldn't say it was phenomenal or anything. It was pretty good light reading I suppose.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Fortis on January 06, 2008, 12:13:34 AM
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The 24 method of literature...only it takes a month to read...and instead of Jack Bauer saving the world you get Naenave trying on dresses.

And tugging on her braid, and sniffing, and saying, "Light! Men!"



I still think somebody should shave her head in the last book so there will be no tugging of that friggin braid
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: mrbasehart on January 06, 2008, 06:49:32 AM
I'll have to check it out. Admittedly, I lost interest around book 5, but I'd like to see how it ends up. The series was outstanding in the beginning, but Jordan kind of got wrapped up in the small stuff. I wish they'd re-release the series editted down to 6 or 8 books. That's what Jordan needed..an editor.

I think that's true for a lot of authors, great and not-so-great alike.  Melville, for instance...

God yes.  SHUT UP ABOUT WHALES AND GET ON WITH THE STORY!  :)
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Fortis on January 11, 2008, 07:17:50 PM
Robert Jordan's wife was his editor, that is why he was able to get away with so much.

It should have ended with book 3.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 25, 2009, 01:29:18 PM
If anyone read any of the books in the series, and didn't read this summary (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386600), they are missing out on some hard-core, prime-time abridged style comedy.

If  may present  a few highlights

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Moiraine: DO NOT go out into Shadar Logoth, or touch anything!

Mat: Let's go out into Shadar Logoth and touch things!

Rand and Perrin: Good idea.

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Mat: I'm sweaty and pale and grabbing my dagger.

Rand: Sounds good.

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Elayne: I've got long golden tresses.

Rand: Jinkies, Elayne.

Morgase: This boy is dangerous.

Lord Bryne: Yes, he is.

Elaida: Yes, he is.

Morgase: Good. Let him go.

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Egwene: You're telling us you talked with the Daughter-Heir! Rand al'Thor! I am making presumptions about you, and therefore must yell at you. Just wait until Elayne, Nynaeve and I do this for the entire series.

That's just for the first book. There's a similar summary for each of Jordan's doorstoppers. n_n
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: AmazingThor on March 31, 2009, 02:57:05 PM
"I am making presumptions about you, and therefore must yell at you. Just wait until Elayne, Nynaeve and I do this for the entire series. "
Amen,

How could a series that constantly infuriates me be so enjoyable? I speand half of each book muttering, "I hate this character"

Go figure
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on March 31, 2009, 08:40:44 PM
I must say I more than half agree with you. @_@

Maybe he didn't really die of a heart attack. Maybe he just fulfilled his end of whatever Faustian pact allowed him to produce such well-selling addictive books with such irritating, inauthentic characters.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: AmazingThor on April 01, 2009, 01:33:24 PM
I must say I more than half agree with you. @_@

Maybe he didn't really die of a heart attack. Maybe he just fulfilled his end of whatever Faustian pact allowed him to produce such well-selling addictive books with such irritating, inauthentic characters.
What I love is that if my sister and I made a list of which characters we love/hate the most they would come out completely opposite. We spend hours arguing over who we hope dies next
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Thrashalla on August 31, 2011, 11:31:36 AM
Just an FYI, Brandon Sanderson is giving himself to the Reddity Horde and going AMA today.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/k0fp8/iama_professional_fantasy_novelist_named_brandon/
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Kete on August 31, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
I gave up around book 8, but with the final book coming out next year, I'm jumping back in.

I think I'm going to listen to the first few books to refresh my memory.  I reread the intro with Lews Therin, and after all the talk about Dragons and Kinslaying, I thought I was reading Ice and Fire.

I started WoT in 8th grade, and now I'm married with 3.5 kids.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Kete on October 24, 2011, 03:01:56 PM
I can't believe how much of this story I've forgotten.  It's almost like a whole new book.

I have to say, the first book takes a lot from Tolkien.  I guess the first time I read it, I wasn't quick enough to notice.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 07:32:43 PM
ive heard of this series. i liked the sword of truth and the lord of the rings, is it anything like them?
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Kete on October 25, 2011, 08:53:20 AM
Like most fantasy novels, it borrows a lot from LotR.  After the first book or two, it does find it's own style which is quite complex.  There are a ton of characters and stories going on at once.  In that aspect, it is very much like Game of Thrones.  There are magic users which are more like Jedis than wizards.  The biggest complaint about the series is that it takes too long for new books to come out, but since the last book is coming out early next year, now is a great time to jump in.  The second biggest complaint is that many of the books (books 8-11) are dull in the middle.  I agree, but I've heard that the later books don't suffer from this.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Kete on October 25, 2011, 09:25:02 AM
One of the books is about 900 pages and takes place in a single day. 

Unless you're James Joyce, this is inexcusable.  And even then...

Really?  Which one is it?
Title: Re: Wheel of Time readers
Post by: Kete on October 25, 2011, 09:37:41 AM
I started reading Ulysses....it's tough...especially since it's supposed to be funny.  It's like if someone tried to watch an episode of The Daily Show 100 years from now.