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Title: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Pak-Man on February 15, 2007, 05:47:48 PM
I, Pak-Man, do solemnly swear only to watch the Ren and Stimpy Show, and to make underleg noises during the good scenes, to memorize every line and quote them shamelessly in unwelcome situations, and to wear unwashed leiderhosen every single day for the rest of my life! Discuss the masterpiece. :^)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Johnny_Short_Torso on February 15, 2007, 05:49:32 PM
I, Pak-Man, do solemnly swear only to watch the Ren and Stimpy Show
That's your problem!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 15, 2007, 06:03:34 PM
Did you remember to bring the cool million in small change?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 15, 2007, 06:07:57 PM
because this has been bothering and (more accurately) because i just love causing problems, billy west is the best ren hoek :)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Pak-Man on February 15, 2007, 06:09:16 PM
Hehe. Been meaning to ask: Is the "kodiak" in your login referring to the kodiak marmoset, as seen on R&S?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 15, 2007, 06:25:54 PM
Hehe. Been meaning to ask: Is the "kodiak" in your login referring to the kodiak marmoset, as seen on R&S?

Is the Pope Catholic?
 ;)

because this has been bothering and (more accurately) because i just love causing problems, billy west is the best ren hoek :)

Nice try, hoss, but I don't believe you for a second.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 15, 2007, 06:27:33 PM
oh but im quit serious and just because you dont want to discuss it hardly means someone else now wont ;)  :D  ;D
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Pak-Man on February 15, 2007, 06:55:56 PM
I can take either Ren. Billy did a good job impersonating John K, but John was the original. Advantage, Mr. K.

Now if you made the claim that Bauza made a better Stimpy, we'd have an argument on our hands. :^)


EDIT: Stuck the wrong name for Stimpy's second voice actor in. :^)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 15, 2007, 06:57:18 PM
Oh but according to billy HE was the original.  At least as far as the interview and the selling of the show was concerned.

www.billywest.com ;)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 15, 2007, 07:29:26 PM
It's certainly not that Billy doesn't have the voice chops to pull it off, it's just that John K. has a much more dry voice(as best as I can describe it). You can hear this when John K. raises his voice. Not screaming, but hoarse yelling. And Ren does plenty of that. Billy just has a different tone in his voice that doesn't resonate with me like John K. does.

Billy did a decent job impersonating John, but after becoming accustomed to hearing John voice Ren, it always stood out as phony.


And only a true fan would be discussing the ins and outs of cartoon vocal performance...  ;)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 15, 2007, 07:38:11 PM
is sarcasm EVER true?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Pak-Man on February 15, 2007, 08:03:55 PM
Yeah. John K. had a certain rhythm to his Ren that Billy never quite got down. It's very prominent when he's doing George Liquor (American). :^)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Wheaty Petestraw on February 15, 2007, 08:33:29 PM
The first couple of seasons were gold, then it got kinda hit and miss. As for the "lost" episodes... well, we would have been better off without them. And those pointless introductions on every one of the "lost" episodes. Right from the get-go, John K was as grating and offensive as possible, calling the women "bitches". I wonder how that poor girl standing next to him felt as he was going off on his tirade?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: homerjayla on February 16, 2007, 08:24:20 PM
The "lost" episodes were crapy. That was a sad waste of 15 dollars, the only good parts were the introductions I think.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 16, 2007, 09:45:33 PM
I remember watching the first of these new "episodes" on SpikeTV, and saying to myself, "John, it's not working. The magic is just not there. And being vulgar and nasty just because you can does NOT make it funny. Sorry, bud. This train has sailed."


(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h310/kodiakthejuggler/RenandStimpyTombstone.jpg)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: lapager1 on July 04, 2007, 09:46:36 PM
I dont mind saying I watched R&S since it started on Nickelodeon. I'm not sure if I was a warped child to have watched the show or if the show warped me. I guess I may never know...
Right, anyway, what a truly bizarre show. I love it. Who'da thunk a show about a dog with a voice like Peter Lorre and a cat with voice like Larry Fine (and some interesting gender issues) would become as big as it did. I don't watch very many cartoons today, but when I do, I always see R&S influences in them.
With most people I know, R&S is a pretty polarizing show - either you like it or not. Nothing in-between. When are they going to write The Philosophy of Ren & Stimpy? That would be great
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: homerjayla on July 05, 2007, 11:50:47 AM
I have a really long story about me meeting Billy West the voice of R&S a few months ago and the strange stuff that happend afterward.

Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 05, 2007, 12:02:50 PM
I Loved Ren & Stimpy!..
The first 3 1/2 seasons were Classics! Then the 'politics' came into effect, the split of John K & Bill West, and the struggling remaining seasons.
The 'Lost' episodes had their few moments, but just didn't have the magic of the early days.
John K., to me, still seems to be a bitter person, and when you try to contact him by email or on his MySpace page, you get No Response by him or anybody affiliated with him.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Nunyerbiz on July 05, 2007, 12:06:09 PM
John K., to me, still seems to be a bitter person, and when you try to contact him by email or on his MySpace page, you get No Response by him or anybody affiliated with him.

It warms my heart to know that you have repeatedly tried to contact John K.... I don't know why... but it does.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: homerjayla on July 05, 2007, 12:09:27 PM
I think Billy West is some what worse in some ways......... goes with my long story.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Brak on July 05, 2007, 12:48:35 PM
I loved this show! My little brother claims that this show is what made him who he is today.  I loved the first few seasons of the show and then after John left they got very random and weird.  I never had the desire to see the Lost Episodes at all when they were first released.

What i think was the greatest stuff from this show was the commercials. 

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Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 05, 2007, 12:53:56 PM
YES!!
The Commercials were Classics!!
(LOG, Powdered Toast, etc.)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on July 05, 2007, 01:00:18 PM
Be a good child and eat your sugar sod pops!


Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Pak-Man on July 06, 2007, 02:29:42 AM
"I'm Billy the Beef Tallow Boy, It's true!
I'll coat your veins with inpenitrable goo!"

Nothing tops the dance of 1000 chickens, though. :^)

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Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on July 06, 2007, 03:43:52 AM
The Adult Party Cartoon episodes ("The Lost Episodes" on DVD) feature John at his best. He's nowhere nearly as funny under creative restraint. When Nickelodeon took the show away from him and gave it to some no-talent hack, they killed the series. "Adult Party Cartoon" gave John a chance to make a fresh start and do the series as he always wanted to do it. Too bad the morons at Viacom don't have the balls to let him do more episodes direct-to-DVD, so he can show people what REAL CARTOONS are supposed to be like!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: BathTub on July 06, 2007, 05:04:59 AM
Well presumably not enough people agree with you to make it economic, or it would be a no brainer.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 06, 2007, 05:21:42 AM
As a veteren fan from it's inception, His creativity was more Focused back in the early seasons..
Maybe that was forced on to him by the 'higher ups' .
By Unleashing John K., his focus was just not there to me; he was allowed to take R&S to the extreme, but forgot the True essence of what Ren & Stimpy was in the 1st 3 1/2 seasons.
The magic of what it once was, was just not there as it used to be.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Pak-Man on July 06, 2007, 11:16:39 AM
The magic of Ren and Stimpy, at least in part, was due to the fact that John K. was getting away with so much and still slipping by with a Y - TV-14 rating. When the M rating let him do whatever he wanted, he lost some of his subtlety, and some of the charm went with it. I can still enjoy the adult party episodes, but at the end of the day, I get more snickers knowing what they got away with in Nurse Stimpy than from any of the Adult Party episodes. :^)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hank_Peters on July 07, 2007, 06:27:41 PM
My parents made me lived a deprived childhood. They (i.e. my mom) thought that it was too disgusting/stupid/whatever for me to see it as a kid, and wouldn't let me watch it. After watching a few episodes on the internet, I wish my mom would've cut me some slack as a kid. They were hysterical! I would've gotten the first two seasons yesterday if I had enough money with me at the time. Instead I had to settle for South Park.

Fun Fact: Frank Zappa's last work in any media was in the R&S episode Powdered Toast Man vs. Waffle Woman
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2007, 07:05:39 PM
Yeah! Powdered Toast Man vs Waffle Woman was Excellent!
I can relate to that episode in More Ways than one.. :o
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: eegah on July 07, 2007, 09:50:55 PM
I have a really long story about me meeting Billy West the voice of R&S a few months ago and the strange stuff that happend afterward.



Ok, I'll bite. What happened?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on July 08, 2007, 07:13:42 AM
Fun Fact: Frank Zappa's last work in any media was in the R&S episode Powdered Toast Man vs. Waffle Woman

WRONG. "Powdered Toast Man vs. Waffle Woman" was one of the shitty episodes produced by Nick after firing John from HIS OWN SERIES, and way after Frank died. John, a Zappa fan, gave Frank the voice work on the episode "Powdered Toast Man" which aired in 1992. "Waffle Woman" was some shit from the idiot-boy no-talent humorless master hack who replaced John. THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT EPISODES!

http://imdb.com/title/tt0854003/ (http://imdb.com/title/tt0854003/)

http://imdb.com/title/tt0684953/ (http://imdb.com/title/tt0684953/)

I have a really long story about me meeting Billy West the voice of R&S a few months ago and the strange stuff that happend afterward.

And do I have to mention that Billy West SUCKED as Ren and that despite originating the voice of Stimpy, his "Adult Party Cartoon" replacement Eric Bauza was BETTER at the role? No, I do not.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: mrbasehart on July 08, 2007, 08:22:53 AM
WRONG. "Powdered Toast Man vs. Waffle Woman" was one of the shitty episodes produced by Nick after firing John from HIS OWN SERIES, and way after Frank died. John, a Zappa fan, gave Frank the voice work on the episode "Powdered Toast Man" which aired in 1992. "Waffle Woman" was some shit from the idiot-boy no-talent humorless master hack who replaced John. THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT EPISODES!

Dude, chill.  The relish with which you correct people makes you sound like the Simpsons' Comic-Book Guy.   :)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on July 08, 2007, 08:32:34 AM
Sorry. :-",
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 08, 2007, 08:41:00 AM
It's OK.. Sucks how Politics can ruin a good thing!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: homerjayla on July 08, 2007, 12:19:35 PM
I have a really long story about me meeting Billy West the voice of R&S a few months ago and the strange stuff that happend afterward.



Ok, I'll bite. What happened?

I'm not going to post the story on here because I bet people would be just as depressed,creeped out and scared as I am about the whole thing.

I think daltysmilth would rat me out too.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Bob on July 08, 2007, 12:34:07 PM
I have a really long story about me meeting Billy West the voice of R&S a few months ago and the strange stuff that happend afterward.



Ok, I'll bite. What happened?

I'm not going to post the story on here because I bet people would be just as depressed,creeped out and scared as I am about the whole thing.

I think daltysmilth would rat me out too.

No Teasing

(http://www.klangundkleid.ch/img/covers/2004-7-29-11-22-59-no-tease....jpg)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hank_Peters on July 08, 2007, 12:37:44 PM
WRONG. "Powdered Toast Man vs. Waffle Woman" was one of the shitty episodes produced by Nick after firing John from HIS OWN SERIES, and way after Frank died. John, a Zappa fan, gave Frank the voice work on the episode "Powdered Toast Man" which aired in 1992. "Waffle Woman" was some shit from the idiot-boy no-talent humorless master hack who replaced John. THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT EPISODES!

Dude, chill.  The relish with which you correct people makes you sound like the Simpsons' Comic-Book Guy.   :)

Actually, it helps me from looking stupid in the future, so that always helps. Thanks for straighting that out for me Isaac.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 11, 2007, 04:04:22 AM
the creator of ren and stimpy is an arrogant prick who got lucky people like his overrated crap enough to have such a big head but not big enough that it'd rip right through him.

on account of it being up his pooper. i said pooper on account i don't know the policy on swearing here.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: BathTub on July 11, 2007, 08:51:31 AM
Caution is advised, we don't know shit about the fucking swearing policy here.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 11, 2007, 08:56:25 AM
REALLY?!
Looks ok with the online encyclopedia..
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/Wiki.jpg)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: daltysmilth on July 11, 2007, 10:34:12 AM
I have a really long story about me meeting Billy West the voice of R&S a few months ago and the strange stuff that happend afterward.



Ok, I'll bite. What happened?

I'm not going to post the story on here because I bet people would be just as depressed,creeped out and scared as I am about the whole thing.

I think daltysmilth would rat me out too.

Why would I rat you out?  Were you a troll on the Billy West forum?  And Isaac, I hope for your sake you never try to troll on Billy West's forum, because he will let you have it like nobody's business.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: J-Proof on July 11, 2007, 12:25:04 PM
EDITED:
Bob Camp may not have been the original creator of the show, but he's definitely not a hack -- his animation experience is quite profound.

(Had name wrong - Billy West is a voice actor not animator =P )
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on July 11, 2007, 01:34:49 PM
the creator of ren and stimpy is an arrogant prick who got lucky people like his overrated crap enough to have such a big head but not big enough that it'd rip right through him.

Believe me, you wish that you have as much talent (not to mention, money) as John Kricfalusi does.

I wonder what would have happened if they had the Internet back in, say, the '40s? You would have seen so much crap about how Bob Clampett is "the most overrated, ever!" Or, in the '50s, people screaming at the top of their lungs that "Jerry Lewis isn't funny, doucheeeeee!"
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: homerjayla on July 11, 2007, 01:55:31 PM
I have a really long story about me meeting Billy West the voice of R&S a few months ago and the strange stuff that happend afterward.



Ok, I'll bite. What happened?

I'm not going to post the story on here because I bet people would be just as depressed,creeped out and scared as I am about the whole thing.

I think daltysmilth would rat me out too.

Why would I rat you out?  Were you a troll on the Billy West forum?  And Isaac, I hope for your sake you never try to troll on Billy West's forum, because he will let you have it like nobody's business.

Even if your not being a troll and tell him something you heard from other people over the years about him and you're worried about it. He'll let you have it like nobody's business. :speechless:
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 11, 2007, 03:21:56 PM
the creator of ren and stimpy is an arrogant prick who got lucky people like his overrated crap enough to have such a big head but not big enough that it'd rip right through him.

Believe me, you wish that you have as much talent (not to mention, money) as John Kricfalusi does.

I wonder what would have happened if they had the Internet back in, say, the '40s? You would have seen so much crap about how Bob Clampett is "the most overrated, ever!" Or, in the '50s, people screaming at the top of their lungs that "Jerry Lewis isn't funny, doucheeeeee!"

money? yes. talent? well talent doesn't mean luck man. sorry to break it to you.

whats hilarious about ren and stimpy?  i mean the actual humor in it is what fart jokes? did that man love a good one i tell you what!

oh yeah i forgot. it was "random", oh no wait its a show you have to like otherwise your friends or lack there of might not think you are cool anymore.

its a crap show. the creator accused the simpsons of ripping him off, and south park.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on July 12, 2007, 01:09:11 PM
its a crap show. the creator accused the simpsons of ripping him off, and south park.

WIthout Ren and Stimpy, there would be no South Park. Without Ren and Stimpy, there would be no Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Without Ren and Stimpy, there would be no Spongebob Squarepants. Without Ren and Stimpy, there would probably be no Family Guy. Heck, without Ren and Stimpy, there would be no Adult Swim!!!!

See where I'm going with this?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 12, 2007, 01:17:08 PM
ren and stimpy is responsible for a lot of crap?

or you can talk out of your ass?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on July 12, 2007, 01:20:54 PM
ren and stimpy is responsible for a lot of crap?

Correction: popular crap!


or you can talk out of your ass?

Krikfalusi would be proud of my ass-talking abilities.

 ;)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 12, 2007, 01:54:45 PM
thats nice.

for fun though explain how its responsible for the popular crap you mentioned.

also explain to me how its responsible for the simpsons as the creator has said.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: J-Proof on July 12, 2007, 02:22:07 PM
The Simpsons - not so much, but a lot of the artistic style you see in Spongebob can definitely be seen in Ren and Stimpy.....
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on July 12, 2007, 02:22:21 PM
I intentionally left out the Simpsons because I don't know if Ren and Stimpy had any influence on them at all.

However, all the other animated shows I mentioned have a lot in common. They all are quite vulgar and have lots of toilet humor(aside from Spongebob), have a lot of non sequiturs and oddness about them. Lots of their content doesn't make sense, and is highly charged. Not to mention ballsy. As for Spongebob, that show is so full of goofiness, and I can't see or hear Spongebob without thinking of Stimpy!


Anyway, the way Ren and Stimpy stood out from the crowd back then is quite miraculous. Too bad it lost its touch and disappeared.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 12, 2007, 03:13:11 PM
yes but you see unlike ren and stimpy the shows you mentioned have some humor behind them too. the jokes in family guy may have nothing to do with the plot, but at least it does have jokes. aqua teen hunger force as well can be seen as "random" however it still has a lot of humor as well. from carl, shake, plutonians, and the mooninites.

i mean you are saying animation influenced these cartoons, i mean in that case would everything else be a ripoff of the first cartoon ever made?

ren and stimpy wasn't even that vulgar. it just tried for the gross out humor, and fart jokes. that was all there was to it. hell give me tex avery as far as a revolutionary for cartoon humor goes.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hank_Peters on July 12, 2007, 06:27:45 PM
yes but you see unlike ren and stimpy the shows you mentioned have some humor behind them too. the jokes in family guy may have nothing to do with the plot, but at least it does have jokes.

Not only do I find it outrageously hilarious that you put 'humor' and 'Family Guy' in the same sentence, but you claim that "at least Family Guy had jokes" (rough quote). I'm more than positive that John might've accidentally slipped in one tiny joke during the shows whole run. But hey, we can't all be ignorant assholes!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 12, 2007, 06:53:17 PM
you are right.

"awkard moment? i'll give you an awkard moment. one time while making love i called lois mel."

thats no joke at all. right?


i have disliked family guy since before it was cool, just like i have disliked ren and stimpy since before it was cool to like it.

you sir seem to hate with no reason for it.  at least i have reasons for it.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on July 13, 2007, 01:41:42 PM
whats hilarious about ren and stimpy?

How about actually watching it to find out?
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And another thing: I have never heard John K. accuse the writers of The Simpsons of ripping him off. You have to understand that he's an old-school animation fan. He doesn't like anything new. These cartoons go back to a lot of old-school humor, including Bob Clampett cartoons and The Three Stooges shorts. So enough with the whining because he criticized your favorite show. Whoop-de-shit.

(BTW, I like Family Guy in addition to Ren & Stimpy





...and Mission Hill.)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 13, 2007, 06:30:00 PM
whats hilarious about ren and stimpy?

How about actually watching it to find out?
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And another thing: I have never heard John K. accuse the writers of The Simpsons of ripping him off. You have to understand that he's an old-school animation fan. He doesn't like anything new. These cartoons go back to a lot of old-school humor, including Bob Clampett cartoons and The Three Stooges shorts. So enough with the whining because he criticized your favorite show. Whoop-de-shit.

(BTW, I like Family Guy in addition to Ren & Stimpy





...and Mission Hill.)

he criticized home movies? thats my favorite cartoon anyway. oh wait no i'm sorry. you're an idiot.

anyways i've seen ren and stimpy. like i said. shit.

you want to go for old school cartoons and revolutionary's? all about tex avery homeskillet.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hank_Peters on July 13, 2007, 08:41:46 PM
But this is a thread about Ren & Stimpy, not Tex Avery. Plus, I don't think anybody here claimed once that R&S was revolutionary, so why do you always want to argue that it's not?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 13, 2007, 08:52:56 PM
WIthout Ren and Stimpy, there would be no South Park. Without Ren and Stimpy, there would be no Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Without Ren and Stimpy, there would be no Spongebob Squarepants. Without Ren and Stimpy, there would probably be no Family Guy. Heck, without Ren and Stimpy, there would be no Adult Swim!!!!

i win.


:)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hank_Peters on July 13, 2007, 09:11:21 PM
Inspiration is different from a Revolution. If R&S was indeed a revolutionary cartoon, every cartoon would be exactly like R&S. It didn't change the way cartoons were made, it didn't change the way we lived, but it sure as hell paved the way for a lot of lesser cartoons (kinda like the Faith no More effect). Tex Avery is a revolutionary, yes. Without his Loony Toons, cartoons would be a whole lot different today (although Walt Disney also started caused a big impact at around the same time). And without Avery, Chuck Jones would've never gave us the great Bugs Bunny cartoons that we all watched when we were kids. In the long run, yeah, Avery made a huge impact to the animation industry. But in the long run, so what? Ren and Stimpy is just as enjoyable even if it didn't do shit to the way the industry was run.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 13, 2007, 10:31:58 PM
revolutionary= everything afterwards is exactly like it?

also avery is awesome because he was the first to bring actual humor to cartoons. the literal things, the punchline....wait......punchline again....wait.....then another one.

ren and stimpy an inspiration? yeah, it proved you don't have to make good cartoons in order for them to be successful because people are tooltards.

oh and avery owns the hell out of jones.

but yeah, if we go into animation and such then yeah we should talk about avery. cause without avery no ren and stimpy. and without idiot retard writers, and idiot retard fans there would be no ren and stimpy too.

so......*claps*

heres to you people.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Pak-Man on July 14, 2007, 12:05:08 AM
And here's to you Mr. Troll. That's enough food for you, now. Let us discuss this fine show in peace and you may resume hating it in peace.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Ortega on July 14, 2007, 12:32:38 AM
And here's to you Mr. Troll. That's enough food for you, now. Let us discuss this fine show in peace and you may resume hating it in peace.

whatever you do.....dont mention transformers............
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 14, 2007, 01:09:53 AM
troll indicates picking fights all the time for no reason.

calling someone a troll in itself is a form of trolling. the point of these threads is to discuss a show, if the thread starter's original intent is to just have people discuss ren and stimpy and say "i like it" "its awesome" "best thing ever". then make a thread entitled "ren and stimpy:no haters allowed" like oh so many children loving the mtvmo bands on most message boards do.

i for one don't care if someone bad mouths a show i like. we can go back and forth and see why i'm right.

see its people like you thats the problem in our country.

because someone had a difference of opinion than you, you felt personally attacked. instead of focusing on a bigger issue why do you watch such shitty cartoons?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Ortega on July 14, 2007, 01:59:49 AM
troll indicates picking fights all the time for no reason.

calling someone a troll in itself is a form of trolling. the point of these threads is to discuss a show, if the thread starter's original intent is to just have people discuss ren and stimpy and say "i like it" "its awesome" "best thing ever". then make a thread entitled "ren and stimpy:no haters allowed" like oh so many children loving the mtvmo bands on most message boards do.

i for one don't care if someone bad mouths a show i like. we can go back and forth and see why i'm right.

see its people like you thats the problem in our country.

because someone had a difference of opinion than you, you felt personally attacked. instead of focusing on a bigger issue why do you watch such shitty cartoons?

The reason he is calling you a troll is that you continue to have a holier-than-thou attitude.  Any and all opinions that aren't "Ren & Stimpy Suck" are, to you, stupid and false.  Everyone's opinion is subjective, and there isn't a right or wrong answer.  While you may hate R&S with a flaming passion that burns like the sun, other people like the show.  its one thing to disagree with someone, but its entirely another to beat a dead horse in the ground.  We all understand you don't like ren and stimpy,  but to continue to reapeat yourself ad nauseam, and treat everyone's opinion that doesn't conform to yours as complete bullshit,is, quite frankly,  a little annoying.

and lets face it, we're talkling about a 17-year old show here. 
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 14, 2007, 02:09:42 AM
i made my first statement. afterwards how many people replied to it and left their reply open for one of my own?

it seems you all understand what a troll is, and it seems you guys know how to argue....

you just don't know who to call a troll and don't know how to argue well.

it went like this.

my opinion of the show.

someone getting offended trying to explain why the show was good.

me explaining why its not.

etc.

sorry, thats how it works.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Ortega on July 14, 2007, 02:13:53 AM
oh yeah...i forgot.....i'm wrong and you're right.  Wow!   glad you're here to set the record straight.  Me and my pesky free-formed opinions.....I tell ya, one day they are gonna get me in trouble one day.............
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: BathTub on July 14, 2007, 07:29:35 AM
Play nice now...
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: daltysmilth on July 14, 2007, 08:39:59 AM
If you can measure the impact of a show by how many other shows tried to immitate it, then Ren & Stimpy was a pretty big deal.  I could see Ren & Stimpy's influence in Rocko's Modern Life, Cow & Chicken, I Am Weasel, the Twisted World Of Tex Avery (How Zen can you get? A show that tried to pay tribute to one of the big influences of Ren & Stimpy was itsself more similar to Ren & Stimpy than the cartoons it was supposed to be emulating the style of), and even that show where they made new Baby Huey cartoons.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: homerjayla on July 14, 2007, 08:51:17 AM
Ren and Stimpy was a great show and Googergieger just some winey troll, I call tell by the way he's talking. I can always get Billy West to come after him.  :P
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 14, 2007, 12:39:43 PM
oh yeah...i forgot.....i'm wrong and you're right.  Wow!   glad you're here to set the record straight.  Me and my pesky free-formed opinions.....I tell ya, one day they are gonna get me in trouble one day.............

doesn't make sense with what i said, love. never said anybody wasn't entitled to their own opinion. i just gave mine and people replied to it, so i replied back. :)

oh and daltysmilth did shows immitate or just get "influenced" by it? i mean a good number of cartoon cartoons, and nickelodeon cartoons had some fair similarities. some more i'd say actual humor to it, but i still would say had similarities to ren and stimpy.

i mean as i've said before my problem with ren and stimpy was just that the only thing it had was its try and fail attempt at gross out humor. thats pretty much it.

also i can see similarities between some droopy cartoons and some futurama cartoons. i mean i would say influence but not immitate.

(oh and i'm not going to reply to homerjayla as some other people he is doing what i'm accused of doing.)

love that though. get called a troll by one person, then it sticks. all because you have a different opinion then everybody else. :)

gotta love people!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Douglin on July 14, 2007, 12:54:43 PM
You probably wouldn't get accused of being a troll if you took more care in the quality of your writing.

Read back what you've written before you post it.

and calling people "love" or saying "i mean" doesn't help you much either.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 14, 2007, 01:01:18 PM
does me calling someone love, offend or something?

also once again calling someone a troll is itself a form of trolling. one of the worst really. its the interweb friend, you decide how to take what you read. :)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: homerjayla on July 14, 2007, 01:06:55 PM
Quote
(oh and i'm not going to reply to homerjayla as some other people he is doing what i'm accused of doing.)


What are you talking about now?





Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Douglin on July 14, 2007, 01:13:24 PM
does me calling someone love, offend or something?

Unless you actually know them and love them than yes it is, because your lying to them by calling them your "love" when they are not.  It is patronising.

Looking through the posts you've made here you seem to have a very negative attitude, why not comment on things you actually like instead of taking jabs at things you don't or the people who like things you do not.

If you can't think of anything nice to say...then why bother wasting your time on it at all.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 14, 2007, 01:22:29 PM
did i not comment on the its always sunny in philadelphia thread and say i like it? did i not make a thread in the movies subforum? did i not give props to someone in the photo caption thread?

also i tend to call a lot of people love. makes you feel better though i'll switch to something else, sport.

if people want to have discussions where its nothing but people agreeing with each other, all the time, then theres always private messages, and/or private forums/groups.

its not like i'm bad mouthing mst3k or rifftrax. that'd be trolling.

hey, we all learned something today! :)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hank_Peters on July 15, 2007, 02:40:42 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/theteensite/1179919625458.jpg)

Picture needs no explanation.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 15, 2007, 02:44:36 PM
AARGH!!!
Powdered Toast Man ate Too Much Vitamin 'F'!!!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 16, 2007, 01:55:51 AM
Quote
its not like i'm bad mouthing mst3k or rifftrax. that'd be trolling

bah to that rifftrax is overblown and absurd, mst3k is retard, who the hell watches puppet shows anyways. 
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 16, 2007, 02:01:24 AM
zomg!

what a huge troll!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 16, 2007, 02:02:15 AM
im so big i got to live under the golden gate bridge.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hebs on July 16, 2007, 08:37:07 AM
Picture needs no explanation.

That picture is amazing!  Oh man, he wins best Halloween Costume hands down. 

I still can't get over how intense the writing is on some of these episodes.  I know about the whole Spumco drama, man, those John K-less episodes are really completely bland.  But the episode where Ren becomes jealous of Stimpy's fame and contemplates putting an end to him?  Maybe it was because I had a few glasses of wine, but it was some existential shit.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: torgosPizza on July 16, 2007, 08:39:15 AM
Next person to use "zomg!" in a sentence gets banned!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 16, 2007, 08:41:18 AM
what does that 'Z' word mean anyway ???
AARGH!! EVIL POST: #666
D'OH!!!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: gbeenie on July 16, 2007, 11:25:13 AM
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its not like i'm bad mouthing mst3k or rifftrax. that'd be trolling

bah to that rifftrax is overblown and absurd, mst3k is retard, who the hell watches puppet shows anyways. 

I love you, sarc.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 19, 2007, 06:35:22 AM
UPDATE:
Just received a couple of emails on my MySpace page about having 2 video clips pulled for copywrite issues..
Both were Ren & Stimpy clips!
Looks like John K is not making very many friends on his MySpace page..
I left him a nice little comment on his blog:
"Just because I post a couple of classic pieces from your Ren & Stimpy cartoons; just to help keep it alive, I get 'threatened' with suspension??
I see the 'True' you now, and why you're not heard of anymore."
I admit I didn't get 'permission' to use them, but I think a simple email to me asking to remove them would've been more appropriate.
If he still has issues from his Past, he shouldn't take it out on us fans!!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hebs on July 19, 2007, 10:18:50 AM
UPDATE:
Just received a couple of emails on my MySpace page about having 2 video clips pulled for copywrite issues..
Both were Ren & Stimpy clips!
Looks like John K is not making very many friends on his MySpace page..
I left him a nice little comment on his blog:
"Just because I post a couple of classic pieces from your Ren & Stimpy cartoons; just to help keep it alive, I get 'threatened' with suspension??
I see the 'True' you now, and why you're not heard of anymore."
I admit I didn't get 'permission' to use them, but I think a simple email to me asking to remove them would've been more appropriate.
If he still has issues from his Past, he shouldn't take it out on us fans!!

I can understand why you feel this way, but maybe there is more going on at his end we don't know about.  It sucks, but I guess 'them's the breaks.'
Didn't the same thing happen to Eric Fensler when he was doing those great GI JOE PSAs?  (I loved those!!)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Pak-Man on July 19, 2007, 10:20:30 AM
Am I the only one on the internet who can understand why one would be upset if something that is making one a modest living is being handed out for free elsewhere? We all buy our Rifftrax (DON'T WE!?) and we all feel somewhat irked when someone's too cheap to pay the price for the entertainment. Why don't we care about the work of other artists?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hebs on July 19, 2007, 10:27:23 AM
Am I the only one on the internet who can understand why one would be upset if something that is making one a modest living is being handed out for free elsewhere? We all buy our Rifftrax (DON'T WE!?) and we all feel somewhat irked when someone's too cheap to pay the price for the entertainment. Why don't we care about the work of other artists?

Well said!!

I just think there is a lot of things that go on at the creator's end the public doesn't know about, so sometimes, we just have to assume they know what they're doing with the content.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hank_Peters on July 19, 2007, 11:54:40 AM
Am I the only one on the internet who can understand why one would be upset if something that is making one a modest living is being handed out for free elsewhere? We all buy our Rifftrax (DON'T WE!?) and we all feel somewhat irked when someone's too cheap to pay the price for the entertainment. Why don't we care about the work of other artists?
You are not alone my friend. This is why I buy everything I own, and which is why I am so damn broke.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 19, 2007, 12:06:16 PM
Am I the only one on the internet who can understand why one would be upset if something that is making one a modest living is being handed out for free elsewhere? We all buy our Rifftrax (DON'T WE!?) and we all feel somewhat irked when someone's too cheap to pay the price for the entertainment. Why don't we care about the work of other artists?
You missed my point..
I had Video Clips posted on My video page - 30 second Video Clips, and they were Pulled for Copywrite infringment - Not a Whole episode, or Entier disc!
& Yes I actually Own mine as well.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on July 19, 2007, 02:04:10 PM
UPDATE:
Just received a couple of emails on my MySpace page about having 2 video clips pulled for copywrite issues..
Both were Ren & Stimpy clips!
Looks like John K is not making very many friends on his MySpace page..
I left him a nice little comment on his blog:
"Just because I post a couple of classic pieces from your Ren & Stimpy cartoons; just to help keep it alive, I get 'threatened' with suspension??
I see the 'True' you now, and why you're not heard of anymore."
I admit I didn't get 'permission' to use them, but I think a simple email to me asking to remove them would've been more appropriate.
If he still has issues from his Past, he shouldn't take it out on us fans!!

RVR, John Kricfalusi does not own Ren & Stimpy in any form. Viacom does. Viacom has had huge problems with people posting any amount of footage from one of their properties on websites like YouTube and MySpace video. They've actually sued YouTube over stuff like this. You have absolutely no reason to attack John Kricfalusi. He didn't do anything. Your harassment is coming from a major corporation, not an artist.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 19, 2007, 02:11:29 PM
well to be fair the guy is a huge douchebag.

the other day when i met him at arby's and ordering, he yelled at me telling me he's on his break.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 19, 2007, 02:22:38 PM
UPDATE:
Just received a couple of emails on my MySpace page about having 2 video clips pulled for copywrite issues..
Both were Ren & Stimpy clips!
Looks like John K is not making very many friends on his MySpace page..
I left him a nice little comment on his blog:
"Just because I post a couple of classic pieces from your Ren & Stimpy cartoons; just to help keep it alive, I get 'threatened' with suspension??
I see the 'True' you now, and why you're not heard of anymore."
I admit I didn't get 'permission' to use them, but I think a simple email to me asking to remove them would've been more appropriate.
If he still has issues from his Past, he shouldn't take it out on us fans!!
RVR, John Kricfalusi does not own Ren & Stimpy in any form. Viacom does. Viacom has had huge problems with people posting any amount of footage from one of their properties on websites like YouTube and MySpace video. They've actually sued YouTube over stuff like this. You have absolutely no reason to attack John Kricfalusi. He didn't do anything. Your harassment is coming from a major corporation, not an artist.
Well.. Maybe That's Why he's so Bitter.. His creation is No Longer His. I can understand That Part.
I have heard about the Seriousness of the Legal B.S., and am willing to not force the issue.
I am Still a Huge Ren & Stimpy fan, BUT Still, John K. shouldn't be rude to, and/or even take out his frustrations on us Fans!!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Pak-Man on July 20, 2007, 12:17:37 AM
John K. is an abrasive personality. It's part of his genius. This is probably my favorite John K. interview:
http://www.avclub.com/content/node/22764/print

I personally believe it's not about the personality of the artist, it's about the finished product. I like the finished product, so there you go. :^)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hebs on July 20, 2007, 06:41:57 AM
I personally believe it's not about the personality of the artist, it's about the finished product. I like the finished product, so there you go. :^)

That's very true.  If you let your dislike of someone get in the way of enjoying what they do, you miss out on great work.  You need to be aggressive sometimes in a creative field.  I love the MST3K interview with Mike and Kevin where they talk about how their agent was a total shark, and they would hear him yelling at clients at the top of his lungs.  Even though he was nuts, I think they said it was because of him they got a great deal at Comedy Central.  I think it's one the Merlin's Shop of Wonders dvd.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on July 20, 2007, 11:42:32 AM
I am Still a Huge Ren & Stimpy fan, BUT Still, John K. shouldn't be rude to, and/or even take out his frustrations on us Fans!!

I haven't seen any evidence of this.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2007, 11:48:13 AM
My evidence is Personal experience
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: homerjayla on July 20, 2007, 01:13:45 PM
At least you don't know Billy West from personal experience and what you heard from other people about him over the years. Trust me, you don't even want to know.


Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Douglin on July 20, 2007, 01:19:18 PM
At least you don't know Billy West from personal experience and what you heard from other people about him over the years. Trust me, you don't even want to know.

That's like the third time I've seen you bring this up, while not actually talking about it.

If we wouldn't want to know then why do you keep talking about it?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2007, 01:21:20 PM
Bottom Line: It's the Fans that made these guys the success they have (or had) become!
Be disrespectful to those that try to put you down, but not to whom ever they just don't care for out of self-pity or spite!
What ever 'soap opra' issues they had behind the scenes, is not the fault of us Fans!
That's all I'm trying to say.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: homerjayla on July 20, 2007, 02:07:45 PM
At least you don't know Billy West from personal experience and what you heard from other people about him over the years. Trust me, you don't even want to know.

That's like the third time I've seen you bring this up, while not actually talking about it.

If we wouldn't want to know then why do you keep talking about it?

It's like one of those things you really want to talk about it to someone but you can't really talk about it because of how freaky it all is.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: daltysmilth on July 20, 2007, 03:06:20 PM
I've not met Billy in person, but I am a member on his forum, and from his posts there, he seems to be a very strong personality, and he can be a bit confrontational if you say something he doesn't agree with, but a lot of other voice actors say he's a really good guy, and he doesn't seem to care if you disagree with him, but if you start picking on the other other people on the forum, he's likely to kick you off.

By the way, just for fun, try signing up for Billy West's forums and posting something even vaguely complimentary about George W. Bush, and if by the end of the day, Billy hasn't posted a huge Bush-bashing rant in response, then I'd be very surprised.  In fact, it doesn't even have to be complimentary.  Just write a post and insert the words "George W. Bush" in there somewhere, and you're pretty much guaranteed a huge rant from Billy on how the Bush administration is a criminal organization bent on abolishing every freedom Americans have.

I like Billy, though.  He's a smart guy, and is very knowledgeable about the voice-over industry, and seems to know everybody.  Seriously, if they've worked in cartoons since the late eighties/early nineties, he's probably met and worked with them.  And if there's a question you have about voice-acting or just about any show he's worked on, he'll answer it as best he can.  It might take awhile, since he's a busy guy, but unless it's something he's answered 47 bajillion times already, he'll answer it for you. 
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 20, 2007, 03:56:41 PM
i don't know, maybe he hates that all he is known for is a very bad and overrated cartoon.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Douglin on July 20, 2007, 04:00:35 PM
i don't know, maybe he hates that all he is known for is a very bad and overrated cartoon.

...but Futurama is good and underrated
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 20, 2007, 04:02:35 PM
ren and stimpy creator is responsible for futurama?!?!
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Douglin on July 20, 2007, 04:05:46 PM
No, but the last 5 posts before yours were about Billy West not the creator guy
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: homerjayla on July 20, 2007, 04:15:56 PM
I thought Billy West was a cool guy too but that was before I remembered the creepy stuff and got creeped out by him again a few months ago. :(

I like Futurama a bit better than Ren and Stimpy.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 20, 2007, 04:22:01 PM
No, but the last 5 posts before yours were about Billy West not the creator guy

ah. the thread must be about him too then.

also i like futurama a bit better than ren and stimpy?

you no talk ever again.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: homerjayla on July 20, 2007, 04:56:12 PM
You no lean on! :P
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on July 21, 2007, 01:34:55 PM
By the way, just for fun, try signing up for Billy West's forums and posting something even vaguely complimentary about George W. Bush, and if by the end of the day, Billy hasn't posted a huge Bush-bashing rant in response, then I'd be very surprised.  In fact, it doesn't even have to be complimentary.  Just write a post and insert the words "George W. Bush" in there somewhere, and you're pretty much guaranteed a huge rant from Billy on how the Bush administration is a criminal organization bent on abolishing every freedom Americans have.

Hey, I like Billy West more now.... :)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 21, 2007, 03:23:34 PM
hating and making fun of bush is like playing golf against tiger woods.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Hank_Peters on July 21, 2007, 05:35:56 PM
. . .

What?
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 21, 2007, 05:56:41 PM
you can't beat him at his own game.
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: Pak-Man on July 22, 2007, 12:06:51 AM
So the game is hating? Is "him" Bush or Billy West? How many Googergeigers have you had?  :^)
Title: Re: Ren and Stimpy
Post by: googergieger on July 22, 2007, 07:24:23 AM
you guys are sharp.