RiffTrax Forum

General Discussion => Television aka TV discussion => Topic started by: anais.jude on July 12, 2011, 06:58:22 PM

Title: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 12, 2011, 06:58:22 PM
So as my lovely boyfriend pointed out, I am a n00b because I have never watched Star trek. I have watched maybe five episodes of TOS and TNG combined.

So, seeing as how they are on Netflix: may you now experience Star Trek through a n00b's eyes.

PS: No spoilers please


Episode 1: Space Pilot 3000, I mean The Cage

Wow, is this an awesome show. So, my initial thought was "Where the Fuck is Kirk. Oh this is Captain Pike? Ok I will see him in a wheelchair by the end of the episode, and yet....no

The philos
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: anais.jude on July 12, 2011, 07:03:36 PM
Stupid iphone.

Anyway, the philosophy on this show was fantastic. I love the idea that the alien creatures wanted to observe Pike, but also build a race of slaves. I wonder if the aliens watched the woman and then decided Humans make good slaves.

I think the idea that mental Power can become a kind of drug is very interesting as well. The alien race stopped livin basically because they became addicted to their own minds. It's an idea I would have never thought of on my own.

Also: green chicks

Verdict: I like it lots.'I figured I would, but I can def say I wish I was watching the second episode...will Kirk be in it? Also, I don't like this fake Bones. He is my face character and I want him back ASAP!

Stay tuned for more Star Trek!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 12, 2011, 07:56:31 PM
Do they have The Cage listed as episode 1 on Netflix?  Since I have them all on disc I haven't looked at them on Netflix (been watching lots of TNG and Voyager)  On all the disc releases it's been at the end because it was never aired and is not really the pilot for the show that aired, it got rejected and then they redid the cast and some props for a second pilot.

"WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE"  is the real pilot, but they aired it 3rd.  Kinda stupid since they retooled things a bit more after it, so if you watch the show by air date you get 2 normal looking ones and then this odd one that looks different with a slightly different cast, then from 4 on it's back to what it looked like for the first 2.

These were so expensive to make they didn't want to waste anything, so The Cage was chopped up and reused in the episode you remember with Pike in the wheelchair.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on July 13, 2011, 06:02:12 AM
Do they have The Cage listed as episode 1 on Netflix?  Since I have them all on disc I haven't looked at them on Netflix (been watching lots of TNG and Voyager)  On all the disc releases it's been at the end because it was never aired and is not really the pilot for the show that aired, it got rejected and then they redid the cast and some props for a second pilot.


Yes, it's the first episode on netflix, and is not the extended or the remastered version (those remain disk only on season 3). 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 13, 2011, 09:44:30 AM
You realize what the episode is really about, don't you?  It's a satire on people becoming addicted to television. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 13, 2011, 10:11:17 AM
I, myself, just began season 2 of TOS last night.  I'm also working my way through them all. Fun ain't it?!

(hint: sitting through Menagerie may seem redundant, but do it anyways.)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: anais.jude on July 13, 2011, 10:18:11 AM
I wouldn't classify that as a satire. An analogy is what I would call that. Also, there is much more complexity to that episode than just people getting addicted to TV. One of the many reasons Gene Roddenberry is brilliant. Wasn't the green chick his wife
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: anais.jude on July 13, 2011, 10:19:45 AM
The menagerie sounds familiar, I think I might have watched some of that before. If I did I didn't comprehend it

Beefer, is this your first time watching them too?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: RoninFox on July 13, 2011, 11:30:10 AM
I wouldn't classify that as a satire. An analogy is what I would call that. Also, there is much more complexity to that episode than just people getting addicted to TV. One of the many reasons Gene Roddenberry is brilliant. Wasn't the green chick his wife

I think his wife put on the green makeup for a test at one point, but not in that episode. Her big role in that pilot was as Pike's "Number One". Never got a name, but she was the first officer.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 13, 2011, 11:43:10 AM
The menagerie sounds familiar, I think I might have watched some of that before. If I did I didn't comprehend it

Beefer, is this your first time watching them too?

As far as TOS goes, I've seen every episode, just never in order.  As for TNG (which is next) I watched that religiously every week it aired.... but I haven't seen them since.  I watched a few episodes of DS9, and only a couple of Voyager, and I have never see Enterprise.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 13, 2011, 11:45:26 AM
Well, one of Star Trek's original intentions was to use science fiction as satire, so they could address controversial subjects without getting in trouble.  Sometimes it was subtle as in the Cage.  Sometimes it was not quite as subtle as in the episode with Frank Gorshin.  Or the Next Generation episode where the Cardassians force the space indians to get off their planet.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 13, 2011, 12:10:37 PM
Still not sure satire is the right word for it, but they did tackle issues like race, gender, overpopulation, and war at a time when those issues were not talked about on prime time TV.  Make aliens do stuff that mirror current events and you can get away with a lot of social commentary that you normally couldn't.

No way they could have gotten a show on air in the 60's with a planet of white people and black people at war, but make them aliens, paint them half white and half black, and you can get away with it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 13, 2011, 12:14:13 PM
I would use the word "analogy" more than "satire"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: anais.jude on July 14, 2011, 06:47:11 PM
The Man Trap

Interesting choice to make the first episode with Kirk a Bones centric episode. I guess I am not that much of a noob because I have seen all the movies. Anyway, Bones is the representation of emotion so thats why he's my fave character and I was happy to see him so much in this episode. I am also happy to see that they made sure to take time to focus on Spock's logic.

As for the episode itself: I love that they related the salt sucker to the Buffalo. Survival of the fittest.

I guess whoever had sulu's original job died because sulu moved from botanist to person on the bridge. Lol
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: RVR II on July 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM
The Man Trap

I guess whoever had sulu's original job died because sulu moved from botanist to person on the bridge. Lol
Oh My..
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 14, 2011, 08:11:53 PM
The Man Trap

I guess whoever had sulu's original job died because sulu moved from botanist to person on the bridge. Lol
Oh My..

Yes, I found that amusing as well... It was probably a smart decision on their part to move him from botanist.  I couldn't see many episodes centering around the botany department.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 14, 2011, 09:07:35 PM
I wonder if George Takei specifically requested that change.  Takei was fairly bitter about Asians getting stereotypical roles in American TV and Film productions during that period, and... I don't know, maybe botanist seemed like a stereotypical Asian role to him.  Moreso than helmsman.  I dunno.  I could be completely wrong.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: anais.jude on July 14, 2011, 09:47:58 PM
He probably said: Uhura's on the bridge and she gets to flirt with Spock. I want to be on the bridge.


When does Chekov come in? And Scotty?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: Compound on July 14, 2011, 09:56:37 PM
He probably said: Uhura's on the bridge and she gets to flirt with Spock. I want to be on the bridge.


When does Chekov come in? And Scotty?

Koenig came in physically during the second season, but according to canon, he was on the Enterprise during the first season, just not where the camera was. Scotty was in "Where No Man Had Gone Before" so he's already shown up.

...except you watched The Man Trap second. Yeah, there was a second pilot called  "Where No Man Had Gone Before" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_No_Man_Has_Gone_Before) which was technically the second episode and used the "real" cast rather than Pike's crew. It was the third episode aired on NBC, so in two episodes.

He'll be much thinner. You may not recognize him.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: anais.jude on July 14, 2011, 10:10:33 PM
Mam being a star trek fan takes skill. All this canon/non-canon stuff is hard to follow
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: Compound on July 14, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
Sorry. Let me back up a step.

In real life - Chekov arrives in season 2. Roddenberry created a Russian character after the Soviets griped about the lack of  Russians  in the future in an editorial in Pravda.

In Star Trek canon-  even though his character didn't appear in season 1, Chekov is allegedly on the ship at the time. He's just in that other part of the ship that the camera didn't show or standing just outside of camera range. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: RoninFox on July 15, 2011, 12:23:51 AM
I remember reading the theory that Chekov was working in Sick Bay before he became a helmsman. This was the explanation for how Khan remembered him in Star Trek 2. (the episode that introduced Khan, "Space Seed", aired before Chekov shows up on camera) and it also explains him recruiting people as nurses at the begining of Star Trek Generations, since it showed medical experience.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: anais.jude on July 15, 2011, 08:06:57 AM
Charlie X

Do Uhura and Spock have a thing? Two episodes of flirting in a row

Captain Kirk has quite the package and Yeoman Rand is pretty cold at the end there.

Another episode strongly focused on emotions and controlling them (if that is even a possibility). Having a teenager be the representation of how bad emotions can become was pretty brilliant. It actually reminds me of Twilight in some ways (teenagers, emotions, and metaphors for life. I am not going to explain it now). I like the end struggle between Kirk and Charlie, especially when Charlie sits in his chair. Kirk is a very strong and diplomatic captain. At this point I do like him more than Picard (note: number of TNG episodes seen = 3)

So I guess the next episode is Where No Man Has Gone Before. Bring on the Scotty!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 15, 2011, 08:57:23 AM
Actually quite a few women have had a thing for Spock, but the character with the biggest unrequited crush on him is Nurse Chapel.  I'm not sure when she appears, but she's one of Majel Barrett's many roles on Star Trek.

I think another reason they brought on Chekhov was because George Takei went off to make a movie during season two and so he wasn't available for a few episodes, so they needed a character to fill the vacancy.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 15, 2011, 09:02:38 AM
Charlie X

Do Uhura and Spock have a thing? Two episodes of flirting in a row

Captain Kirk has quite the package and Yeoman Rand is pretty cold at the end there.

Another episode strongly focused on emotions and controlling them (if that is even a possibility). Having a teenager be the representation of how bad emotions can become was pretty brilliant. It actually reminds me of Twilight in some ways (teenagers, emotions, and metaphors for life. I am not going to explain it now). I like the end struggle between Kirk and Charlie, especially when Charlie sits in his chair. Kirk is a very strong and diplomatic captain. At this point I do like him more than Picard (note: number of TNG episodes seen = 3)

So I guess the next episode is Where No Man Has Gone Before. Bring on the Scotty!

There was obvious flirting and sexual tension in the earliest episodes between Spock and Uhura.... it kind of faded away (but gave cause for it being in the new movie).  Later, it's kind of obvious that Nurse Chapel has a thing for Spock.....

I've definitely grown to appreciate Kirk even more than I did before.... Despite how basically EVERYONE knows who Kirk is, I have started to think that he's highly under-appreciated as a character.  The amount of subtle dry jokes he makes is enormous....  In one episode (not a spoiler, don't worry), someone cuts him off and Kirk just turns and glares at him silently for a few seconds before the story continues!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 15, 2011, 09:38:29 AM
Actually quite a few women have had a thing for Spock, but the character with the biggest unrequited crush on him is Nurse Chapel.  I'm not sure when she appears, but she's one of Majel Barrett's many roles on Star Trek.

I remember her from episode 4 "The Naked Time" so her feelings for Spock show up pretty early.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 15, 2011, 01:45:11 PM


I think another reason they brought on Chekhov was because George Takei went off to make a movie during season two and so he wasn't available for a few episodes, so they needed a character to fill the vacancy.

Yeah The Green Berets ran into weather trouble and took a long time to film so they need a new character to give all of Sulu's lines.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: bta on July 15, 2011, 02:20:14 PM
I wonder if George Takei specifically requested that change.  Takei was fairly bitter about Asians getting stereotypical roles in American TV and Film productions during that period, and... I don't know, maybe botanist seemed like a stereotypical Asian role to him.  Moreso than helmsman.  I dunno.  I could be completely wrong.  Just a thought.

He was probably trying to end the stereotype that Asians are terrible drivers.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: RoninFox on July 15, 2011, 03:19:40 PM
Charlie X is the source of the line "there's no right way to hit a woman" which Shatner got to reference again in Futurama. Not sure why, but that always cracks me up.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: anais.jude on July 15, 2011, 10:45:19 PM
Where No Man Has Gone Before

WTF? All the outfits are different. No Uhura, Sulu is there but not on the bridge. Scotty is not wearing red, although he has a lovely Beatles haircut.
 And what is this beige colour for?

Ok, beside that. I fucking LOVE all the chess.

Is Bones on vacation? I didn't approve that. Bullshit

Why is the blonde doctor defending shiny eye guy so much. It reminds of the relationship between bald chick with the legs and dad from 7th heaven

Ok, so despite those early observations this episode is fan-fucking-tactic! I loved all the discussions of God, and how absolute power without compassion is very dangerous.

So, there was something I did notice. When Mitchell began changing it reminded me of the struggle Kirk would has if his good friend started using drugs. The desire to think it isn't affecting them and that they are the same person. All the while knowing that the drugs are taking over. It was a very interesting dichotomy and a very dramatic turn for the captain.

I am so in love with this show
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 15, 2011, 10:54:19 PM
I've finished season two(2).  I'm winning.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: anais.jude on July 15, 2011, 11:31:08 PM
I've finished season two(2).  I'm winning.

Your mother
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 15, 2011, 11:51:02 PM
I've finished season two(2).  I'm winning.

Your mother

She was overwhelming me with texts the other night, describing each and every episode of TOS that she liked, and each one that she hated....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: anais.jude on July 16, 2011, 09:33:36 AM
Wow, really? Nobody in my family like star trek
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 16, 2011, 09:36:55 AM
The reason TV networks tend to air shows out of order (or at least in a different order than they were produced) is that they like to air what they consider to be the stronger or more audience friendly episodes first, so that way they'll attract a larger audience, who will hopefully stick around during the weaker or less audience friendly episodes based on the strength of the first few episodes.  Which makes it frustrating if your show has a story arc each season and the network inattentively airs an episode with a huge revelation too early.  Anyway, that's what they did with Star Trek, which is why The Man Trap aired first even though Where No Man Has Gone Before was the pilot.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 16, 2011, 09:45:34 AM
The reason for all the changes is because that was the second pilot,so they were reusing a lot of stuff from the first pilot but the cast had changed a little.

Roddenberry had been pushing to have Kelly as the ships doctor since the first pilot but NBC wouldn't let him because Kelly was known for playing villains in westerns at the time(He was even in a episode of The Lone Ranger),after the series was greenlit Roddenberry had enough clout to cast the people he wanted in the show because the network was not likely to cancle a new show just because they didn't like some of the supporting actors.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: anais.jude on July 16, 2011, 11:04:14 AM
How come Futurama says there are 79 original episodes and South Park says it's 72 or 73?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 16, 2011, 11:15:15 AM
How come Futurama says there are 79 original episodes and South Park says it's 72 or 73?

Actually there's 81.

79 (one hour) episodes aired.

The Cage makes 80

And there is the original version of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" that never aired, it has a longer intro, and each section has titles "Act 1, Act 2, etc.".  It's on the remastered disc set.

Don't know how you can get to 73, even if you don't count both pilots and count the 2 part episode as one that gets you to 77.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 16, 2011, 03:30:58 PM
Oh, and PS:

It's spelled Odyssey (from Odysseus).

PS: I don't care

Ok I do care, but the iPhone didn't do the spell check and I don't have a computer right now. I am insulted you assumed I didnt know the Greek character it came from
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 16, 2011, 03:58:09 PM
NERDS!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: bta on July 16, 2011, 05:14:40 PM
I've finished season two(2).  I'm winning.

Your mother

She was overwhelming me with texts the other night, describing each and every episode of TOS that she liked, and each one that she hated....

This is like Opposite-World or something.  My head would explode if my mom did this.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 16, 2011, 05:44:17 PM
Thanks Im. Sorry if I was defensive but I was embarrassed. I have always had a problem with spelling :(


Anyway, as soon as my sister goes into my room, back to more Star trek. Seriously, no one in my family likes it. I'm a freak
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 16, 2011, 06:22:31 PM
Thanks Im. Sorry if I was defensive but I was embarrassed. I have always had a problem with spelling :(


Anyway, as soon as my sister goes into my room, back to more Star trek. Seriously, no one in my family likes it. I'm a freak

I know the feeling in my family it is the same for me and Babylon 5,but at least my mom likes Babylon 5.  I can't watch it when other people are in the room because they will not be quite.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 16, 2011, 06:47:27 PM
My dad was always watching it... He essentially has every episode of TOS memorized.  Then he and I watched TNG together every, what was it, Sunday night? Saturday?  Anyways....

I'm sure most of my mom's knowledge comes from dad forcing her to sit through it with him,  but she has her own favourite episodes... specifically A Piece Of The Action.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 16, 2011, 08:01:51 PM
My favorite episodes of TOS:
Conscience of the King
City on the Edge of Forever
The Corbomite Maneuver
A taste of Armageddon
Balance of terror
Journey to Babel
Amok Time
Devil in the dark
Let that be your last battlefield

I enjoyed TNG a lot, but TOS always had the better characters and sometimes
better stories.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 16, 2011, 08:05:18 PM
Also: if anyone has read a good biography on the original series, I would be interested in reading it
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 16, 2011, 08:24:06 PM
Cool, thanks Im :)

The Naked Time

Ok this is one of the episodes I have seen before. I dated a dumbass back in New Orleans, but he loved Star Trek. He showed me this episode and the TNG equivalent

I find it odd that there is no sex in this episode despite being called the naked time. You would think the 60s would be more liberal. Glad to see Scotty back in red. Now if I understand correctly: blue uniforms equal medical,'red uniforms equal you die first, and gold uniforms equal high ranking officers? Still don't know what beige uniforms mean.

Great discussion on globalization early on in the episode. As random dead crew member says: why are we searching and exploring all this places we have no right to be? I saw an exhibition on pirates today and was thinking the same thing about Africa. Why did we colonize Africa? Well, to quote Kirk: Because
it's there it seems.

Sulu was a hot dude. He would bat for the other team. Actually, I would probably have done most of the original crew. Good thing I wasn't alive in the 60s
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 16, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Cool, thanks Im :)
There's also William Shatner's Star Trek Memories. Really good, really funny bio on the
original series and more.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 16, 2011, 08:32:50 PM
Also: brilliant that Spock becomes infected (and therefore emotional) and Bones remains the rational one Who discovers how the virus is spreading. This show really is brilliant

Wait: how did Kirk's shirt get ripped this time?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on July 16, 2011, 09:20:26 PM

I find it odd that there is no sex in this episode despite being called the naked time. You would think the 60s would be more liberal. Glad to see Scotty back in red. Now if I understand correctly: blue uniforms equal medical,'red uniforms equal you die first, and gold uniforms equal high ranking officers? Still don't know what beige uniforms mean.


The uniform colors, by memory - Red is the Tactical/Engineering division, Blue is the science division and Yellow is command. Beige means you're either watching the second pilot or Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Or Klingons. Their outfits were beige too.

Yellow and red get switched around in the TNG/DS9/Voyager eras because Gene got tired of the red-shirt references in the years between TOS and Next Gen.

Oh, and everyone wore red in the movies after the Pastel nightmare of the first film.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 17, 2011, 03:57:05 AM
I found this book to be really good.  http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Star-Trek-Real-Story/dp/0671896288/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1310899995&sr=1-1

It's written by two of the producers and it is a very honest.  By honest I mean it doesn't suck up to Roddenberry or any of the actors they way a lot of behind the scenes Star Trek stuff does.  It is also a very entertaining read.  It's a pretty good book.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 17, 2011, 12:21:55 PM
Fascinting Captain

Hmm naked Pysche. That will play into Picard's issues in the TNG episode if I remember correctly. But I am getting ahead of myself.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 17, 2011, 04:50:40 PM
If you're interested in this kind of thing you might also want to check out the book "The Nit-Picker's Guide For Classic Trekkers" by Phil Farrand if you can find a copy.  (It's pretty rare these days.)  It's mainly a guide to all the various errors in the classic episodes of Trek.  And by errors, I mean mostly plotholes, leaps in logic, continuity errors, etc., leaving out the obvious things like fake looking sets or aliens, etc.  There's also little essays on things like recurring themes in the Original Series, quizzes, and other things like that.  Again, if you're interested and you can find it, it's worth a read.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: mattwnelson on July 17, 2011, 06:05:06 PM
If you're interested in this kind of thing you might also want to check out the book "The Nit-Picker's Guide For Classic Trekkers" by Phil Farrand if you can find a copy.  (It's pretty rare these days.)  It's mainly a guide to all the various errors in the classic episodes of Trek.  And by errors, I mean mostly plotholes, leaps in logic, continuity errors, etc., leaving out the obvious things like fake looking sets or aliens, etc.  There's also little essays on things like recurring themes in the Original Series, quizzes, and other things like that.  Again, if you're interested and you can find it, it's worth a read.

Just want to chime in & highly recommend this whole series. They are a ton of fun. I have a signed copy of the DS9 one, which I need to replace so I can have a reading copy.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 17, 2011, 10:05:02 PM
The beige uniforms were only in the early pilots; there was a gold for command and beige was for operations/security (which became red later).  Apparently those uniforms were partially designed by Nasa, but they wanted the colors to be brighter to take advantage of the new color tvs that people were getting.

The colors are what hit me every time watching on Blu-Ray, along with the bright colors that were obvious on VHS and DVD, there are splashes of faint color all over the place that show up on the Blu-Ray discs (faint pastels under tables and on walls).  Watching on my grandparents color TV in the early 70's when Star Trek was in reruns and I don't remember any of those colors (I had seen every episode at least 5 times by the mid 70's), I doubt even the most expensive color TVs in the 60's could show all those colors, so the remastered Blu-Rays really are like seeing it the way only the people filming it had ever seen it before.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Oddessey
Post by: gbeenie on July 18, 2011, 12:53:31 AM
I've finished season two(2).  I'm winning.

Your mother

She was overwhelming me with texts the other night, describing each and every episode of TOS that she liked, and each one that she hated....

This is like Opposite-World or something.  My head would explode if my mom did this.

My mom, who never expressed an interest in Star Trek when I watched it, refused to see Wrath of Khan because she heard
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: gbeenie on July 18, 2011, 12:55:26 AM
I found this book to be really good.  http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Star-Trek-Real-Story/dp/0671896288/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1310899995&sr=1-1

It's written by two of the producers and it is a very honest.  By honest I mean it doesn't suck up to Roddenberry or any of the actors they way a lot of behind the scenes Star Trek stuff does.  It is also a very entertaining read.  It's a pretty good book.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 18, 2011, 10:50:02 AM
Roddenberry may have had a vision,  but there were more than a few times where the man was kind of,
sort of a real pompous dick. One of my favorite stories was when Harold Livingston told Gene that "he
wouldn't know a good story if it was tattooed on his prick
". I love that story, cracks me up every damn time
i hear it. What Paramount did with Gene is what 20th Century fox should have done with George Lucas
after TPM.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 18, 2011, 11:40:51 AM
So who's the bigger loser here?
I guess that depends upon your point of view Imrahil. Monetarily speaking, both
Roddenberry and Lucas were winners. But artistically speaking, both of them have
been losers after the spark of their initial brilliance.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 18, 2011, 12:00:11 PM
My point is that Lucas set out to be an independent filmmaker and to tell stories he wanted to tell, without studio interference and using his own money. Everything else he's done has been some aspect of that goal, and he's accomplished it.
Perhaps, but most people would argue that his stories have been anything but, and that
anything that might resemble his legacy is in ruins.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on July 18, 2011, 12:03:55 PM
Oh My Childhood!! NNOOO!!! :'(
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on July 18, 2011, 12:52:37 PM
Nobody talks smack about Gene Roddenberry!  I'll get my posse!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: gbeenie on July 18, 2011, 02:44:15 PM
My point is that Lucas set out to be an independent filmmaker and to tell stories he wanted to tell, without studio interference and using his own money. Everything else he's done has been some aspect of that goal, and he's accomplished it.

True. Say what you will about The Phantom Menace, but it was technically the most successful independent film in history.

I love TOS, and I respect Roddenberry for creating it, but his ultimate goal was just to make money, I think.

I dunno. I think getting laid was up there for Roddenberry.  :)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 18, 2011, 02:55:27 PM
My point is that Lucas set out to be an independent filmmaker and to tell stories he wanted to tell, without studio interference and using his own money. Everything else he's done has been some aspect of that goal, and he's accomplished it.

True. Say what you will about The Phantom Menace, but it was technically the most successful independent film in history.

I love TOS, and I respect Roddenberry for creating it, but his ultimate goal was just to make money, I think.

I dunno. I think getting laid was up there for Roddenberry.  :)

Yeah pretty much every actress who was ever on the show was some one he was having sex with or trying to get to have sex with him.  What gets me is he was always ranting about how evil money was but he had no problem with screwing over his friends just to put a few more bucks in his own pocket.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on July 18, 2011, 02:57:00 PM
My point is that Lucas set out to be an independent filmmaker and to tell stories he wanted to tell, without studio interference and using his own money. Everything else he's done has been some aspect of that goal, and he's accomplished it.

True. Say what you will about The Phantom Menace, but it was technically the most successful independent film in history.

I love TOS, and I respect Roddenberry for creating it, but his ultimate goal was just to make money, I think.

I dunno. I think getting laid was up there for Roddenberry.  :)

Yeah pretty much every actress who was ever on the show was some one he was having sex with or trying to get to have sex with him.  What gets me is he was always ranting about how evil money was but he had no problem with screwing over his friends just to put a few more bucks in his own pocket.
He was wanting to show then his 'Rod n Berries' :rimshot: :D :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on July 18, 2011, 03:51:29 PM
I think that's the most successful of those you've ever pulled off, RVR. Congratulations!
*takes a bow* Thanks! ;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 18, 2011, 03:57:20 PM
Oh shut up, I coulda made that joke if I'd been here.  I was too busy watching Star Trek.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 18, 2011, 05:54:23 PM
True. Say what you will about The Phantom Menace, but it was technically the most successful independent film in history.
Are we going to praise financial success now? Because if there's one pet peeve I have... it's
praising something for economic success over artistic merit.

And I will still protest any claim that The Phantom menace is a movie, but instead a 2
hour toy commercial.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 18, 2011, 06:04:20 PM
So you're not actually approaching this as a discussion then, merely a soapbox.
For one post, yes, and now I am off said soapbox, so no need to complain.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 18, 2011, 06:23:28 PM
True. Say what you will about The Phantom Menace, but it was technically the most successful independent film in history.

Are we going by the actual definition of an "independent film" or the current IFC definition??
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 18, 2011, 07:01:25 PM
Wtf are any of you people talking about? Gene Roddenberry wanted money? What
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 18, 2011, 07:03:32 PM
I want money.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 18, 2011, 07:36:46 PM
Weird...
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on July 18, 2011, 07:43:59 PM
Wtf are any of you people talking about? Gene Roddenberry wanted money? What
He wanted Rod n Berry money :P
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 18, 2011, 08:15:10 PM
So, I am fairly certain that The Empath is the WORST episode of TOS.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on July 18, 2011, 08:17:12 PM
So, I am fairly certain that The Empath is the WORST episode of TOS.
Oh Stop It! It was not.. Some other episode was :P
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 18, 2011, 08:35:45 PM
So, I am fairly certain that The Empath is the WORST episode of TOS.

The space hippies and evil children would like a word with you.

I dislike the space hippies, but I can stand it.  The evil children only mildly annoyed me.  But the stupid mute chick doing beatnik performance art for a whole half-hour out of the episode was enough to make me say "Oh god... Why?" every time she was on screen.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 18, 2011, 08:43:19 PM
So, I am fairly certain that The Empath is the WORST episode of TOS.

The space hippies and evil children would like a word with you.

I dislike the space hippies, but I can stand it.  The evil children only mildly annoyed me.  But the stupid mute chick doing beatnik performance art for a whole half-hour out of the episode was enough to make me say "Oh god... Why?" every time she was on screen.

if by evil children you mean the Miri episode, then i totally got to disagree.  I loved that one. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 18, 2011, 08:56:29 PM
So, I am fairly certain that The Empath is the WORST episode of TOS.

The space hippies and evil children would like a word with you.

I dislike the space hippies, but I can stand it.  The evil children only mildly annoyed me.  But the stupid mute chick doing beatnik performance art for a whole half-hour out of the episode was enough to make me say "Oh god... Why?" every time she was on screen.

if by evil children you mean the Miri episode, then i totally got to disagree.  I loved that one.  

I doubt that, I'm sure it's the bad episode with an evil being controlling some children, "And The Children Shall Lead", one of the many stinkers from season 3.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 18, 2011, 08:58:27 PM
So, I am fairly certain that The Empath is the WORST episode of TOS.
Um... NO. Turnabout intruder, Omega Glory, Spock's brain are all top contenders
for that spot. The Empath isn't even remotely close to the worst.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 18, 2011, 09:04:58 PM
And The Children Shall Lead wasn't that bad of an episode... the only really bad part of it had to do with casting.  They certainly casted some ugly kids....  but the episode wasn't all too bad.

Way To Eden was a dumb episode, yes, but I still personally dislike The Empath much much more.  I was rooting for the death of the empath chick the entire episode simply so I wouldn't have to watch her anymore.

Yes, I could have just skipped it, but that kind-of defeats the point of a marathon, don't it?

Currently, I'm on the half-and-half faced guy....  he reminds me of Patton Oswald
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 18, 2011, 09:07:48 PM
So, I am fairly certain that The Empath is the WORST episode of TOS.

The space hippies and evil children would like a word with you.

I dislike the space hippies, but I can stand it.  The evil children only mildly annoyed me.  But the stupid mute chick doing beatnik performance art for a whole half-hour out of the episode was enough to make me say "Oh god... Why?" every time she was on screen.

if by evil children you mean the Miri episode, then i totally got to disagree.  I loved that one.  

I doubt that, I'm sure it's the bad episode with an evil being controlling some children, "And The Children Shall Lead", one of the many stinkers from season 3.

That's correct. I think "And The Children" is my least favorite, because at least the Way to Eden has Charles Napier singing and proto-rapping.

Kirk as an Indian and zombie Spock are probably my least favorite, but it's really a toss up with at least 1/3 of the last season episodes.


Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 18, 2011, 09:09:10 PM
Way To Eden was a dumb episode, yes, but I still personally dislike The Empath much much more.  I was rooting for the death of the empath chick the entire episode simply so I wouldn't have to watch her anymore.
Okay just because you're a fan of the pointlessly macabre doesn't make the episode bad.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 18, 2011, 09:09:34 PM
And The Children Shall Lead wasn't that bad of an episode... the only really bad part of it had to do with casting.  They certainly casted some ugly kids.... 

Be sure to mention that to Shatner if you ever meet him....  (hehehehe  evil laugh...)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 18, 2011, 09:19:32 PM
This may be OT but why do my messages keep getting marked as Spam?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 18, 2011, 09:19:45 PM
My thread has been taken over. What was I thinking!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 18, 2011, 09:24:06 PM
My thread has been taken over. What was I thinking!
???
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 18, 2011, 09:24:36 PM
My thread has been taken over. What was I thinking!

It's in honour of all the many many times the Enterprise got taken over by enemy forces....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 18, 2011, 09:25:55 PM
My thread has been taken over. What was I thinking!

It's in honour of all the many many times the Enterprise got taken over by enemy forces....
Yeah, totally, like the time the Rolling stones came on board and painted all the doors
black.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 18, 2011, 10:43:03 PM
well if you want it back on topic post about another eipsode you watched, the only reason i posted here was so i could better watch your journey through trek.  as an avid trek fan myself yet someone who hasnt seen a lot of tos i've been curious about your journey. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on July 18, 2011, 10:52:16 PM
So, I am fairly certain that The Empath is the WORST episode of TOS.

No, that would be "Spock's Brain."
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: gbeenie on July 19, 2011, 12:52:09 AM
I'll try to get this thread back on track by saying I love that anais is getting to watch this stuff with fresh eyes. A friend of mine started on the same trip back when the 2009 Star Trek film came out (and don't start on that one again!).
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on July 19, 2011, 04:06:50 AM
I'll try to get this thread back on track by saying I love that anais is getting to watch this stuff with fresh eyes. A friend of mine started on the same trip back when the 2009 Star Trek film came out (and don't start on that one again!).

Lens flare...lens flare...lens flare!  There now it's out of everyone's system.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 19, 2011, 05:26:15 AM
I will watch another episode tonight. Netflix wasn't working on Sunday and I had to work late yesterday (lame)

Also, I don't care if the thread is off topic, I was just being silly
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on July 19, 2011, 06:04:11 AM
Also, I don't care if the thread is off topic, I was just being silly
Who would derail a thread off topic?? 8)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: mattwnelson on July 19, 2011, 09:14:13 AM
Streaming is the remasters.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 19, 2011, 11:18:18 AM
And they're not all that bad.... sometimes it seems a bit too out of place, like the explosions in space for instance seem WAAY too digital.  But there are some nice shots of planets that have been re-done.

I am on the beloved space hippies episode now.  I'm fairly certain the hippies are supposed to annoy the hell out of us... social commentary.

[edit] Actually, their music reminds me of the Manson family music... [/edit]
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on July 19, 2011, 11:56:07 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but all they remastered was how the planets looked from space.  You wouldn't even notice it if you hadn't seen the original cave drawing images.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 19, 2011, 12:42:17 PM
Did the correct the scale of the ships from Doomsday Machine?  I remember watching that when I was little, before I knew what a continuity error was, and thinking "Why isn't that ship that looks like the Enterprise any bigger than the shuttle I saw earler?"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 19, 2011, 01:49:13 PM
Did the correct the scale of the ships from Doomsday Machine?  I remember watching that when I was little, before I knew what a continuity error was, and thinking "Why isn't that ship that looks like the Enterprise any bigger than the shuttle I saw earler?"

Yes, that one they did a great job showing a small Enterprise flying around a massive planet killer (a dozen starships could now fit into it like Decker says at one point).  I think they scaled the shuttle appropriately but I can't picture that scene in my head now...

There are a few matte paintings where I like the originals better, and still look good when you switch to the original shots on the Blu-Ray, like the refinery in the window of the office in Devil in the Dark, but most of the new effects are well done and maintain the feel of the original shots, and some improve on the originals like the ones in The Doomsday Machine.  On a big HD screen the original effects look terrible, they used a lot of layers of optical printing on those and the grain looks real bad on anything larger than about 20 to 25 inches.

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on July 19, 2011, 02:32:02 PM
Yeah, so nothing that really mattered that much except to you nerdlingers.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 19, 2011, 02:34:54 PM
We may be nerds,  but we're also non-conformists. If you want to be one of us you have
to dress like us and listen to the same music we do. So lederhosen and Devo albums
all around!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on July 19, 2011, 05:29:26 PM
You nerdlingers have an answer for everything.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 19, 2011, 06:46:06 PM
The shuttle going into the planet killer is at 5:13 in that youtube clip, and looks like a dot,  the enterprise battling the thing is in the 3 to 4 minute area.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 19, 2011, 07:07:10 PM
The Enemy Within

What the hell is that unicorn dog thing? Is Kirk supposed to be evil Kirk? Because he has no goatee

Ok, ya know what is annoying? That the captains log is omniscient. Unbeknownst to us at the time, an alternate Captain Kirk was created by the malfunction.
How the fuck do you know, Kirk?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 19, 2011, 07:13:17 PM
Wowza, does Kirk look good without a shirt
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 19, 2011, 07:13:53 PM
heh my mom thought the same thing years and years ago apparently
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 19, 2011, 07:23:40 PM
Is that a real thing? Because I'm getting some for my boyfriend

Also, unicorn dog thing is freaking me out
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 19, 2011, 07:28:14 PM
I tried that cologne once, and it worked! It had the women scared Shirtless. :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 19, 2011, 07:35:18 PM
Alright, I'm moving on to TNG.  Made it through the first motion picture... I've seen 2, 4, 5, and 6 all recently.  3 I didn't want to wait for from Netflix, so I read the synopsis and said "Oh yeah, that...."

I haven't seen TNG since the episodes first aired, which I watched every week.... So this will be like reliving the late 80's for me.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on July 19, 2011, 07:37:22 PM
Wowza, does Kirk look good without a shirt

(http://fashionablygeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/shirtless-kirk-cologne.jpg)

Mmmmm, smells like over-inflated ego.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 19, 2011, 07:39:31 PM
Oh yes, I plan on watching the movies before I move on to TNG. Which view came put before TNG? I want to say 6 occurred after TNG started

PS: I didn't want unicorn dog thing to die :(

Ok, I have finished the episode: Best. episode. Ever! And, as a Libra, possible the best thing I have ever watched. This was an absolutely amazing episode. Gene Roddenberry could be walt Disney's BFF and Hitler's God parent for all I care. I absolutely loved everything about this episode

Except freaky unicorn dog thing. I wonder if there is a Star Trek and philosophy? I must read it
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 19, 2011, 08:11:21 PM
Oh yes, I plan on watching the movies before I move on to TNG. Which view came put before TNG? I want to say 6 occurred after TNG started

All of the 6 but the third movie are on demand... so be sure to rent that one.  And yes, 6 of them are of the original cast and chronologically happen before TNG.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 19, 2011, 08:14:30 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Philosophy-Popular-Culture/dp/0812696492/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311131604&sr=8-1

There you go anais and thanks now i have to buy another book lol.  Btw my favorite has been iron man and philosphy so far, dont know why but it just worked for me. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 19, 2011, 09:46:03 PM
Oh yes, I plan on watching the movies before I move on to TNG. Which view came put before TNG? I want to say 6 occurred after TNG started

PS: I didn't want unicorn dog thing to die :(

Ok, I have finished the episode: Best. episode. Ever! And, as a Libra, possible the best thing I have ever watched. This was an absolutely amazing episode. Gene Roddenberry could be walt Disney's BFF and Hitler's God parent for all I care. I absolutely loved everything about this episode

Except freaky unicorn dog thing. I wonder if there is a Star Trek and philosophy? I must read it

5 and 6 were both made and released after TNG was on the air, but both take place before it.  Actually, if you want to be a supergeek and watch everything in chronological order you should watch, like, the first 20 minutes of Generations before you move on to TNG. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 19, 2011, 09:54:13 PM
Since we are in TNG territory now...
http://sfdebris.com/startrek/t194.asp
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 19, 2011, 10:36:02 PM
I haven't seen TNG since the episodes first aired, which I watched every week.... So this will be like reliving the late 80's for me.

Some of those early first season ones are hard to watch again, the acting is so stiff and the plots are pretty weak, even several just copied from the original series.

I've been enjoying Voyager a lot more rewatching vs. first run, skipping the ones I didn't like before.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 20, 2011, 04:20:30 AM
Voyager is the only series that I don't like anything about.  It just has some many wasted ideas.  I mean for pretty much most of the show's run you never hear a word of complaint from the terrorist who are now living my Starfleet's rules,everything is either fixed by the replicators or time travel,every other episode is about them nearly getting to earth and then losing it in the last five minutes,and i never liked janeway.

TNG was the show I grew up watching and it does have some very very weak episodes but the cast(steward and Spinner in particular)can make them worth watching at least once.

The first two seasons of TOS still stand head and shoulders above all other trek.

Oh and when you get to it skip the the first two seasons of Enterprise and you will like the show a lot better.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on July 20, 2011, 05:55:32 AM
Voyager had problems, biggest for me was less the scripts than some terribly imagined characters.  None of the characters were special, other than The Doctor, and a few were ignored for 7 years (Like Chakotay and Kim).

It did occasionally have great episodes, a few that I think can stand with some of treks finest (something I can't say for Enterprise), but there was so much "meh..." between them.  Think the series two best episodes were "Timeless" and "Living Witness".
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2011, 06:00:07 AM
Voyager had problems, biggest for me was less the scripts than some terribly imagined characters.  None of the characters were special, other than The Doctor, and a few were ignored for 7 years (Like Chakotay and Kim).

I rather liked 7 of 9 myself.. :o :P
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 20, 2011, 06:09:42 AM
Um, yea. Outside of the fact that TNG comes after TOS, I am not sure what series comes after TNG etc. I know my journey ends with Enterprise.

And I'll probably spend a weekend watching all 6 movies....because ya know what 6 movies average out to be 3 and a half really good movies?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 20, 2011, 08:01:55 AM
I am not skipping any of enterprise. I shall decide what I like and don't like
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 08:03:07 AM
well i hope you grap star trek and philosphy since its going on my buy list. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 08:28:26 AM
Ds9 is my favorite show.  Though itll probably be a rough transition for you from TNG, since it goes from a show where episodes are mostly separate from one another to a show with a more present story arc.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 20, 2011, 08:33:55 AM
Um, yea. Outside of the fact that TNG comes after TOS, I am not sure what series comes after TNG etc. I know my journey ends with Enterprise.

And I'll probably spend a weekend watching all 6 movies....because ya know what 6 movies average out to be 3 and a half really good movies?

(http://thumbs.imagekind.com/member/b2d389a5-e159-4309-baea-27ebec50dd8e/uploadedartwork/650X650/e62927e2-94f4-49d5-9079-46c1785810cd.jpg)

Phillip J. Fry approves of this comment.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on July 20, 2011, 11:51:07 AM
Ds9 is my favorite show.  Though itll probably be a rough transition for you from TNG, since it goes from a show where episodes are mostly separate from one another to a show with a more present story arc.

That's baloney.  DS9 is all over the place, and then in the end they manage to tie all that crap together in a war.  Hooray!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 20, 2011, 11:54:59 AM
Ds9 is my favorite show.  Though itll probably be a rough transition for you from TNG, since it goes from a show where episodes are mostly separate from one another to a show with a more present story arc.

That's baloney.  DS9 is all over the place, and then in the end they manage to tie all that crap together in a war.  Hooray!

It's also not on demand on Netflix.  *shakes fist*
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 11:59:26 AM
The first two sesaon are about the revival of bajor and the political struggle within (yeah they have episodes that are all over but there is a theme throughout) season three you start dealing more with the gamma quadrent and ending with the klingons and the beggining of the war that had many phases and incarnations. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 12:33:33 PM
That stems from your views on religion i suppose, because i loved it.  I found myself DESPISING the Kai.  and realizing what a great villian she really made because of it. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 01:04:47 PM
Uhuh ok if you say so man.  Sisko is the only "captain" I have seen in the whole series of spin offs that could even come close to be a real officer.  Picard started to get there by the end, but its hard to ignore the fact that in the first half of season 1 he surrendered his ship twice.  I really feal if your going for simplicity and crayon type of thinking there was plenty more there in TNG than anywhere in DS9, but hey personal tastes and all. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 20, 2011, 01:49:30 PM
It's also not on demand on Netflix.  *shakes fist*

I think I read that it would be available in August or September, can't remember if Enterprise will also be available then or if that is later.

My problem with DS9 was always that they promoted it as similar to other Trek with a starship but with the wormhole bringing interesting characters to them instead of flying around.  And what do they do, put a "big bad enemy" on the other side so the wormhole is effectively useless for that purpose.  Then it turned into a series mostly about war, by the end I was pretty sick of it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 20, 2011, 02:04:41 PM
Enterprise is already on demand. I could have sworn I saw it


Anyway, they are all on DVD though, right?


PS: Sarc,'I am totally going to get that boom after I finish watching the series
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 20, 2011, 02:15:33 PM
Enterprise is already on demand. I could have sworn I saw it

Yup, I forgot it was back on Netflix already.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 20, 2011, 02:24:47 PM
Enterprise is already on demand. I could have sworn I saw it

Yup, I forgot it was back on Netflix already.

Yeah, all of them BUT DS9 are on demand currently.  I hope it's up by the time I get to it, but if not, I have the dvd's on my kweewee.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on July 20, 2011, 03:35:24 PM
Enterprise is already on demand. I could have sworn I saw it


Anyway, they are all on DVD though, right?


PS: Sarc,'I am totally going to get that boom after I finish watching the series

I've got the first two seasons on DS9 on DVD.  When you get to them many, many months from now, let me know.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 03:36:17 PM
I have all seven :)   i might even loan them out. lol.  But im hoping by the time you get there itll be on instant. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on July 20, 2011, 04:20:29 PM
If she gets through the first season of TNG I'd be very surprised.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 04:23:50 PM
is it time to start placing bets?

Ps anais if you go down after nth degree i'll split it 60/40
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 05:15:07 PM
the bet is when she is tired of watching
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 20, 2011, 05:17:11 PM
is it time to start placing bets?

Ps anais if you go down after nth degree i'll split it 60/40

Enough with the spinoffs. Let's talk about real trek here.

If you say so.  I think Chris Pine is dreeeeamy!  ;)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 20, 2011, 05:18:09 PM
I think that one insanely racist episode of TNg could do her in.  I have only seen it once so i don't remember much except squirming in my seat.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 05:21:38 PM
?????????????????
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 20, 2011, 05:28:47 PM
Doc, are you sure you're not confusing an actual TNG episode with that episode of Family Guy with the TNG cast where Peter puts on Geordi's visor and it makes everyone look like a Klansman?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 20, 2011, 05:29:13 PM
It was one where they went to a planet full of "savages" who were always killing each other and owned slaves and every single person on the planet was black and from what i remember they made the costumes and the planet look pretty African.  As i said I only saw it once years ago but it stuck with me.  i have no idea what was going on behind the scenes that allowed that thing to get produced.  I mean it was 1987 for crying out loud and yet it looked like something from the 1930s.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Johnny Unusual on July 20, 2011, 05:29:52 PM
Oh, I thought it was the one about the 3 Ferengi Bankers that control everything.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 20, 2011, 05:33:05 PM
Okay now I think you're getting Star Trek confused with Roots.  It's understandable, they both had LeVar Burton.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on July 20, 2011, 05:37:14 PM
He's talking about the one where the Enterprise has to go negotiate with this planet where everyone is part of an African tribe or something.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 20, 2011, 05:37:23 PM
No it was an episode of TNG.  I think a member of the crew was kidnapped and sold as a slave or something and then forced to fight for her freedom,I remember Yar was in it so it had to be early in the 1st season.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on July 20, 2011, 05:39:50 PM
Code of Honor
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 05:41:27 PM
It was racist why exactly?  I thought it was a feminist episode
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 05:49:17 PM
And why is that racist?  Is this star trek view on black people?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on July 20, 2011, 05:51:32 PM
Oh, I thought it was the one about the 3 Ferengi Bankers that control everything.

(http://forum.rifftrax.com/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)

"I know y'alls have seven Ferengi bankers that control the world's money supply, right? In a bunker, about a mile into the earth's core? And I know y'all hate Rene Auberjonois, that much I do know."
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 20, 2011, 06:23:01 PM
oooooookay whatever
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 20, 2011, 06:39:27 PM
If she gets through the first season of TNG I'd be very surprised.

I will beat your ass

And by that I mean: challenge accepted
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 20, 2011, 07:24:42 PM
Another resource on Star Trek you might want to check out is the record "Inside Star Trek", first released on its own as an LP in 1976, then re-released as a bonus disc with CD release of the expanded soundtrack to Star Trek: The Motion Picture.  It contains a number of monologues and interviews with Gene Roddenberry and cast members from the series, both in a studio and in front of an audience.  Some of it is kinda cheesy, like the acting in the interview with "Sarek", and some of it's pretty funny, like the parody of a letter from a network censor about a fictional series based on the Bible.  Whatever else you can say about Roddenberry, he was a heck of showman.  As I said, it's readily available with the expanded Star Trek: The Motion Picture soundtrack, so you also get one of Jerry Goldsmith's best scores in the bargain.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 20, 2011, 07:35:31 PM
If she gets through the first season of TNG I'd be very surprised.

I will beat your ass

And by that I mean: challenge accepted

If you can power through the first 6 to 8 you'll be fine, if you feel the need to watch them all....  After that there's a few good ones sprinkled in, then in season 2 it improves a lot.  

I still haven't watched all of the TOS 3rd season remasters in the Blu-Ray set, hope you make it through those, but looking at the episode list I don't think there are ever more than 2 stinkers in a row, mostly it alternates good/bad (or actually bad/good/bad/meh/good/good/meh/.....and so on, IMHO).
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 20, 2011, 08:40:40 PM
I think you're all just a bunch of racist nerds...
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on July 20, 2011, 08:41:59 PM
I think you're all just a bunch of racist nerds...
'Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor! Not a Racist :angry:
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 20, 2011, 09:16:05 PM
Mudd's Women

Wowza, someone had fun with the costume budget on this episode.
Spock might be in control of his emotions, but he is def enjoying seeing Kirk squirm
Tehe: That computer is pretty sharp

I would love to hear all the men's opinions on this episode, because as a woman I have got to say: damn fucking straight. Men don't want a wife, they want a super model (not all men, but there is def something in the male Pysche that makes them want that, just like I was bred to want marriage from the moment I was born). But giving the blonde a placebo and advising that people who believe in themselves are the most attractive = an A+ 100 idea. The more self confidence I have in myself, the better I feel and the more men are attracted to me.

Although not as intense as the last episode, I really liked this one
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 20, 2011, 09:44:35 PM
What Little Girls are Made Of

Is this a failed powerpuff girls episode. Man I liked that show when it was on, the movie was dumb though. Oh wait, I am getting off topic

This is an episode I have seen before, but I don't remember it

How could I forget a hot chick named Andrea with her nipples showing. She is clearly my prototype

Naked Kirk: A little something for the ladies....in this case me
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 20, 2011, 09:56:13 PM
Yea, I just got to that scene with Kirk and the penis, lol

Also, I am fucking hot with a sexy voice. Thank you. ;)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 20, 2011, 10:03:40 PM
Yea, I just got to that scene with Kirk and the penis, lol
Also, I am fucking hot with a sexy voice. Thank you. ;)
Umm... want to voice chat some time? :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 20, 2011, 10:14:30 PM
Yea, I just got to that scene with Kirk and the penis, lol
Also, I am fucking hot with a sexy voice. Thank you. ;)
Umm... want to voice chat some time? :D

Sorry, I'm taken. He called me a noob because I never saw star trek and then didn't think I'd get through TNG season 1, remember?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 20, 2011, 10:33:16 PM
Yea, I just got to that scene with Kirk and the penis, lol
Also, I am fucking hot with a sexy voice. Thank you. ;)
Umm... want to voice chat some time? :D
Sorry, I'm taken. He called me a noob because I never saw star trek and then didn't think I'd get through TNG season 1, remember?
Damn.

Season 1 of TNG was PRETTY damn bad though.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 20, 2011, 10:38:53 PM
I never back down from a challenge!

Except that one
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 20, 2011, 10:57:04 PM
I never back down from a challenge!

Except that one
Hah! Which episode from S1 do you think is the worst? Out of curiosity only of course.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on July 20, 2011, 11:54:19 PM
(http://api.ning.com/files/OOSgAkBI5LwtNs5RG4YJJTQptcxnxclUVAYQQwv1vGGiXoRFM9JCLLMbh7s7A9kn/kirkwithdildomadeofstone.jpg)

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4356/unled3dr.jpg)


Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 21, 2011, 04:56:53 PM
Dude, she's seen like 5 eps. A bit early to call out the negative police.
It's never too early to call in the negative police when it comes to Season 1
of TNG. ;)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on July 21, 2011, 06:00:54 PM

It's never too early to call in the negative police when it comes to Season 1
of TNG. ;)

Well, lets be fair, the three worst episodes of TNG are in seasons 5 and 7.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 21, 2011, 07:28:54 PM
Yup, still on TOS

Miri

Those are some ugly ass kids.
 
I feel like this is a filler episode. It still has some great philosophy and metaphors, but the theme didn't really designate with me. I love how I can consider this a throw away episode yet it's still one of the most intelligent things I have ever seen. This show really utilizes allegory. It's almost like the genre of sci fi was created by this show and used to it's fullest possibilities.

Damn this show is awesome
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 21, 2011, 07:47:29 PM
Also, I always thought that Shatner only ever acted in Star Trek 2: it turns out he acted throughout this whole series. When did he decide he didn't after to act anymore?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 21, 2011, 07:55:47 PM
Well, lets be fair, the three worst episodes of TNG are in seasons 5 and 7.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Mmmmm, how about The Child?  The Neutral zone? Justice? Masks? When the bough breaks? The
Naked Now? The Royale? Yes, I'm aware not all of those are from season 1, but my point is season
1 as a whole was a piss poor introduction to the crew of the Enterprise-D, with very few average to
decent episodes scattered around.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on July 21, 2011, 08:07:51 PM

Mmmmm, how about The Child?  The Neutral zone? Justice? Masks? When the bough breaks? The
Naked Now? The Royale? Yes, I'm aware not all of those are from season 1, but my point is season
1 as a whole was a piss poor introduction to the crew of the Enterprise-D, with very few average to
decent episodes scattered around.

I'd agree season 1 as a whole was the worst, but I don't think it produced the worst single episodes.

And what was wrong with "The Neutral Zone"...  Not TNG's finest, but I thought it was a nice tense episode.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 21, 2011, 08:22:52 PM
I'd agree season 1 as a whole was the worst, but I don't think it produced the worst single episodes.
And what was wrong with "The Neutral Zone"...  Not TNG's finest, but I thought it was a nice tense episode.
The problem with The Neutral Zone was that it focused a little too much on the human characters,
and they are according to Riker a complete representation of Humanity of the past, with the pouty
housewife, the greedy stockbroker, and the fun-loving hick. Astonishingly arrogant if you ask me.
I mean the man bases his entire opinion of 20th century humanity... ON THREE STEREOTYPES!
which causes him to utter the line "Makes you wonder how our people survived the 20th century.".
I can understand that as a JOKE, but he was dead serious! He did not say that line with an ounce
of sarcasm! Then... the confrontation with the Romulans led to nothing either except a few exchanged
words and a set-up for the Borg threat.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 21, 2011, 08:39:21 PM
Also, I always thought that Shatner only ever acted in Star Trek 2: it turns out he acted throughout this whole series. When did he decide he didn't after to act anymore?
Yeah, it's a good question; a lot of Season 3 feels phoned in, and I think it's basically that when he stopped really caring and trying that he started falling back on his tropes.  He's great in first season, really intense.
And I'm definitely in the minority but I think ST:TMP is a great showpiece for him and Spock both.
Season 3 went to the shitter the moment that asshole George Schlatter refused to let Laugh-in be
moved from it's time slot. Star Trek was bumped to Friday nights at 10 when the target audience is
either out on dates or in bed already. Gene said return Star Trek to it's original time slot or I walk,
and Gene was "forced" to make good on his bluff and the studio slashed the budget and Fred
Freiberger came in with more emphasis on action then cerebral focus on the show... I mean look
at Spock's Brain... My God... it's full of shit!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 21, 2011, 09:11:25 PM
Also, I always thought that Shatner only ever acted in Star Trek 2: it turns out he acted throughout this whole series. When did he decide he didn't after to act anymore?
Yeah, it's a good question; a lot of Season 3 feels phoned in, and I think it's basically that when he stopped really caring and trying that he started falling back on his tropes.  He's great in first season, really intense.
And I'm definitely in the minority but I think ST:TMP is a great showpiece for him and Spock both.
Season 3 went to the shitter the moment that asshole George Schlatter refused to let Laugh-in be
moved from it's time slot. Star Trek was bumped to Friday nights at 10 when the target audience is
either out on dates or in bed already. Gene said return Star Trek to it's original time slot or I walk,
and Gene was "forced" to make good on his bluff and the studio slashed the budget and Fred
Freiberger came in with more emphasis on action then cerebral focus on the show... I mean look
at Spock's Brain... My God... it's full of shit!

It's also good to keep in mind that the series wasn't really all that popular when it first aired.  It didn't even really have much of a cult following either... It was essentially a flop.  It was what 15 years later the first movie came... I don't remember if it was right BEFORE or right AFTER the first movie that the original series started to gain a huge following.......... maybe right before, probably during syndication.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on July 21, 2011, 09:33:12 PM
So Gunflyer, do you actually like Star Trek?
Is that.. Logical, Captain?? :o
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 21, 2011, 10:11:04 PM
Ok so I also watched something that had Dagger in the title and it was good, but I burnedy hand while making dinner and had a lot of beer tO make the pain go away....so I have no sober opinion of this episode
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 21, 2011, 10:38:59 PM
So Gunflyer, do you actually like Star Trek?
Of course I like Star Trek. I might even say I love Star Trek. Just as long as you keep
Voyager, Enterprise and the Next Gen movies away from me, I love it.
Ok so I also watched something that had Dagger in the title and it was good, but I burnedy hand while making dinner and had a lot of beer tO make the pain go away....so I have no sober opinion of this episode
Dagger of the mind? Great episode if I recall.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on July 21, 2011, 10:40:31 PM
Ok so I also watched something that had Dagger in the title and it was good, but I burnedy hand while making dinner and had a lot of beer tO make the pain go away....so I have no sober opinion of this episode

Dagger of the Mind? When you're sober, go back and watch it. It's a) A good episode with a great performance in Dr. Van Der Hoff and b) South Park parodied it once in the episode about the Planetarium.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 21, 2011, 10:51:52 PM
Ok so I also watched something that had Dagger in the title and it was good, but I burnedy hand while making dinner and had a lot of beer tO make the pain go away....so I have no sober opinion of this episode

Dagger of the Mind? When you're sober, go back and watch it. It's a) A good episode with a great performance in Dr. Van Der Hoff and b) South Park parodied it once in the episode about the Planetarium.
You mean the Plane-arium? It's also the only episode where Mister Mackey says "Drugs are good, mmkay?"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 22, 2011, 12:58:08 AM
It's also good to keep in mind that the series wasn't really all that popular when it first aired.  It didn't even really have much of a cult following either... It was essentially a flop.  It was what 15 years later the first movie came... I don't remember if it was right BEFORE or right AFTER the first movie that the original series started to gain a huge following.......... maybe right before, probably during syndication.

Yes, the reason the show was going to be cancelled after season 2 was poor ratings.

The first movie would not have been made if the show hadn't become insanely popular in syndication in the early to mid 70's.   I remember there was a time when it was on just about every UHF channel, and at different times, you could watch 4 or 5 episodes a night.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 22, 2011, 08:03:43 AM
It's important to remember that they measured ratings differently back when TOS first aired than they do now.  They didn't have things like demographics and whatnot.  So while Star Trek may not have had the sheer numbers that other shows in its timeslot had, they later discovered that they were hitting their target audience more or less right on target.  Also, I have trouble believing that even back then when there was no cable, any show would have lasted 3 seasons if a significant amount of people weren't watching it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 22, 2011, 11:40:11 AM
It's important to remember that they measured ratings differently back when TOS first aired than they do now.  They didn't have things like demographics and whatnot.  So while Star Trek may not have had the sheer numbers that other shows in its timeslot had, they later discovered that they were hitting their target audience more or less right on target.  Also, I have trouble believing that even back then when there was no cable, any show would have lasted 3 seasons if a significant amount of people weren't watching it.
That's true, although the only reason season 3 happened was because of the massive letter writing campaign instigated
by Trek Fan Bjo Trimble. I guess that campaign was sort of a double edged sword, all things considered.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 22, 2011, 12:07:47 PM
It's important to remember that they measured ratings differently back when TOS first aired than they do now.  They didn't have things like demographics and whatnot.  So while Star Trek may not have had the sheer numbers that other shows in its timeslot had, they later discovered that they were hitting their target audience more or less right on target.  Also, I have trouble believing that even back then when there was no cable, any show would have lasted 3 seasons if a significant amount of people weren't watching it.
That's true, although the only reason season 3 happened was because of the massive letter writing campaign instigated
by Trek Fan Bjo Trimble. I guess that campaign was sort of a double edged sword, all things considered.

Well with out the third season there would not have been enough episodes to make syndication deal,so while it was not good season 3 did save Star trek.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 22, 2011, 12:08:41 PM
Well with out the third season there would not have been enough episodes to make syndication deal,so while it was not good season 3 did save Star trek.
I guess the Star Trek legacy is filled with irony.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 22, 2011, 01:58:45 PM
Yea, I am going to rewatch Dagger of the Mind when I get home today. I do remember thinking it was a pretty awesome episode. My hand just really hurt (I have blisters on three finger tips)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on July 22, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
Yea, I am going to rewatch Dagger of the Mind when I get home today. I do remember thinking it was a pretty awesome episode. My hand just really hurt (I have blisters on three finger tips)

I think you were "watching" the one with Kirk and the rock dildo too much.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 22, 2011, 07:42:52 PM
Yea, I am going to rewatch Dagger of the Mind when I get home today. I do remember thinking it was a pretty awesome episode. My hand just really hurt (I have blisters on three finger tips)

I think you were "watching" the one with Kirk and the rock dildo too much.

I'll deal with you later
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 23, 2011, 10:00:31 AM
Dagger of the mind (sober viewing)

Oh I am glad I watched this one again, it was phenomenal! I am writing this after I watched two episodes, but starting with Miri, the series has begun tackling tension in the episodes. The way the tension builds in this episode, along with the knowledge that Kirk is getting closer and closer to the Dr that is currently on the enterprise was some fantastic writing, directing, and acting. Did this show ever win an Emmy? Because it's pretty fantastic

The Corbomite  Maneuver

There is nothing I can really say about this episode. I have heard it was fantastic and those people were not wrong. I think of the last three episodes that deal so we with building tension, this is my favorite because it focused on the crew. Sulu and Uhura were featured players as well as Kirk, Spock, and Bones. Now I have seen all of the movies, and I did enjoy ST:TMP especially when Bones was teeming Kirk about his motives for being back on the enterprise (outside of the 45 min joyride to get on the damn thing. Those were the most boring "flying to the big ship shots" I have ever seen...but more on that later). So I really enjoyed when Bones was teeming Kirk for his treatment of proto-chekov.

This has been one of the greatest episodes of a tv series I have ever seen

Also: I get that joke from Jack Frost about drinking tronya (spellt phonetically)

Also Also: Damn Clint Howard was an ugly child. Good thing Ron is such a nice brother
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 23, 2011, 10:01:52 AM
I meant reaming not teeming. Stupid iphone
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on July 23, 2011, 12:34:42 PM
A word of warning. The next episode is "The Menagerie" which will seem a tad familiar to you.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 24, 2011, 12:41:44 PM
The Mengerie Parts 1 and 2

Amazing episode! So, having watched the cage in it's entirety, I will say that these two episodes are completely different. All the brilliant sociological subtexts I found while watching the cage were lost to me as I watched this episode. Although I did watch all the scenes taken from the original pilot, the information was presented in a different way. Watching the cage this time around I was looking for a reason Spock would do the mutiny thing, not the tv can take over your mind subtext from the cage episode itself. And although so much of the menagerie was taken from the cage, Roddenberry was able to build an entire episode with new and different themes. Although Bones remains my favorite character, Spock is, and ever shall be, the greatest sci-fi character of all time.

The Conscience of the King

Wowza! Another phenomenal episode. I love to hear stories about genocide years after the fact, especially when the victims meet their villain (probably because I watched Death and the Maiden when I was still impressionable). I think my favorite part was when Spock and Bones were Talking about Kirk. It's interesting to see his two best friends that don't really understand each other, working together. Spock's loyalty to his captain (both as we know from the previous episode) is truly amazing. The same archetype as employed by Tolkien when he created Samwise Gamgee.

Also, I want to get these episodes done by the end of august, so I will do one a day. That puts space seed as next Monday's offering. Oh I can't wait!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 24, 2011, 03:41:25 PM
Something that Phil Farrand points out in his Nitpicker's Guide for classic Trekkers is how impressive the Menagerie must have seemed to people when it was first broadcast, because they probably wouldn't have known at the time that the Cage existed, so to them it would have seemed like they had built entirely new sets and made a new set of costumes and props for the Enterprise and the crew just for the footage from the earlier mission, when all they had done was repurpose footage that had already been shot.  Still, what the audience doesn't know won't hurt them, and it was an ingenious idea. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on July 24, 2011, 05:15:20 PM
Yeah, you're going to see a number of classic episodes in the week leading up to Space Seed. Arena. Balance of Terror. Squire of Gothos.

And this scene will now make sense:

(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5672/vlcsnap2011072418h10m33.png)

So will something in Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey too.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Henry88 on July 24, 2011, 08:52:37 PM
so have you got to the one with killer rug yet
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 24, 2011, 09:01:46 PM
No killer rug yet.

I think I will have to watch all my fave shows over again so I can get all the star trek references now that I am watching the show
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 24, 2011, 09:44:02 PM
I love the killer rug!!!  It's so dumb (effect-wise), but a great episode!!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Henry88 on July 24, 2011, 10:05:38 PM
I love the killer rug!!!  It's so dumb (effect-wise), but a great episode!!!

who dose not love the killer rug ( "The Devil in the Dark")
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 25, 2011, 07:54:18 AM
I havent got to see a lot of TOS but i do love that killer rug.  I remember there was a deep space nine book where a couple of those things got loose on the station, was a pretty fun book (but like most of the star trek books not great)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 25, 2011, 06:46:42 PM
Almost through season 1 of TNG (took a break for Comic Con).... There have been a few stinkers, a couple that seem ripped from TOS, and then quite a few very strong episodes.  The general style of most of them are cookie-cuttered from the style of plots they had on TOS..... You could tell they did that on purpose, trying to pander to TOS junkies who I'm sure would have been mad if they strayed in the story style.

All in all though, I don't have any real complaints about season 1.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 25, 2011, 09:48:24 PM
Almost through season 1 of TNG (took a break for Comic Con).... There have been a few stinkers, a couple that seem ripped from TOS, and then quite a few very strong episodes.  The general style of most of them are cookie-cuttered from the style of plots they had on TOS..... You could tell they did that on purpose, trying to pander to TOS junkies who I'm sure would have been mad if they strayed in the story style.

All in all though, I don't have any real complaints about season 1.

If it's your first time viewing them that sounds about right, that was my reaction when they aired, although I think all the "strong" episodes were pretty late in the season.  But trying to watch them again when the show was in reruns was way harder, the number of stinkers seems to go way up on 2nd or 3rd viewing, especially going back to those after how great it got starting in season 2 (when they fully broke away from copying TOS).
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 25, 2011, 10:09:53 PM
I think quite a few scripts from early seasons of TNG were taken from unused scripts and story ideas from both the original series and the aborted Star Trek Phase II series.  Not just stories, though.  Some of the characters and relationships from Phase II were adapted for TNG.  The Picard/Riker relationship was taken from what would have been the Kirk/Dekker relationship.  Also the Riker/Troi relationship was taken from Dekker and Illia's relationship.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 26, 2011, 10:24:35 AM
Almost through season 1 of TNG (took a break for Comic Con).... There have been a few stinkers, a couple that seem ripped from TOS, and then quite a few very strong episodes.  The general style of most of them are cookie-cuttered from the style of plots they had on TOS..... You could tell they did that on purpose, trying to pander to TOS junkies who I'm sure would have been mad if they strayed in the story style.

All in all though, I don't have any real complaints about season 1.

If it's your first time viewing them that sounds about right, that was my reaction when they aired, although I think all the "strong" episodes were pretty late in the season.  But trying to watch them again when the show was in reruns was way harder, the number of stinkers seems to go way up on 2nd or 3rd viewing, especially going back to those after how great it got starting in season 2 (when they fully broke away from copying TOS).

This is my first time seeing them SINCE they first aired....  I watched each and every episode of TNG as they aired, but have never seen them out of order in syndication.... and haven't seen them in 20+ years.

So I guess you could say this is my second viewing of them all.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 26, 2011, 10:31:37 AM
I still find it shocking how ready picard was to surrender his ship back then. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 26, 2011, 05:14:18 PM
Here's Gene Roddenberry's rendition of a letter from a network censor:

http://youtu.be/rYcQv94Z8aA (http://youtu.be/rYcQv94Z8aA)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 26, 2011, 06:37:09 PM
One thing I noticed when I watched the 4 TNG movies a few months ago in a weekend marathon....   (masked in spoiler tags to not taint the anais experience)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 26, 2011, 06:45:01 PM
hey anais,  as part of the raiding of the beached and dying borders last night i managed to get a copy of star trek and philosophy :)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 26, 2011, 07:10:07 PM
Really? Lucky.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Henry88 on July 26, 2011, 07:17:27 PM
also you may want to wacth out for the  "Skin of Evil"  ,it is very spookey.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 26, 2011, 07:20:41 PM
yup i was pretty damned happy too.  30% of all phil books.  was pretty awesome also hard not to just spend like 200 bucks.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 26, 2011, 07:24:43 PM
Um, less TNG, more TOS talk.

The title of the thread says "Star Trek Odyssey" ... that is inclusive of all various forms of Star Trek, including but not limited to TOS and TNG.

In other words, shut up. :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Henry88 on July 26, 2011, 07:46:20 PM
 (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HBKWtrKbYAk/S9KrEOwaSGI/AAAAAAAAEv8/HEwbcZmqlU8/s1600/Gorn.jpg)

gorn will grant your wish
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 26, 2011, 08:30:00 PM
Um, less TNG, more TOS talk.

The title of the thread says "Star Trek Odyssey" ... that is inclusive of all various forms of Star Trek, including but not limited to TOS and TNG.

In other words, shut up. :D

The title of this thread is Anais.jude's odyssey. So naw *sticks tongue out at you and prepares to watch more trek*
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 26, 2011, 08:53:44 PM
Um, less TNG, more TOS talk.

The title of the thread says "Star Trek Odyssey" ... that is inclusive of all various forms of Star Trek, including but not limited to TOS and TNG.

In other words, shut up. :D

No, it says Anais Jude's Star Trek Odyssey, and is about her watching the series in order (see post #1).  She's on TOS.  In other words, STFU.

I am ALSO watching the series in order (and am far ahead of her...) and I would have started my OWN thread but some moderator probably would have just merged them anyways. So eat shit and die!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on July 26, 2011, 09:31:12 PM
yup i was pretty damned happy too.  30% of all phil books.  was pretty awesome also hard not to just spend like 200 bucks.

Side note- During the prior round of Borders store closings, during the final weekend I walked out of there with a stack of novels five feet tall. All for about 25 bucks.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 26, 2011, 09:50:26 PM
Where is a borders in Denver?


And Mr Unabeefer: you are just jealous because you didn't think of having your own star trek thread so naw!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 26, 2011, 10:01:34 PM
Balance of Terror

Another outstanding episode. Here I assumed the first villain alien race discussed on Star Trek would be those pesky Kilngons, but no, it's ROmulans. This was a great episode about racism as well as leadership. This whole episode was almost like an homage to the Cuban missile crisis. Very well done.

Shore Leave

Oh look, there is a new yeoman. Oh look, she's flirting with bones. I shall now refer to her as "Yeoman Ho".... stupid hoe.

Compound: That scene in MST3K makes much more sense now! I expected more from Mr Finnegan though. I love how he just pinned Kirk out of the blue, lol.

This episode feels more like he few TNG episodes I have watched. I can't really describe why, except that it's a throw away episode and has nothing to do with deep set philosophy or a themed story arc
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 26, 2011, 10:02:18 PM
Where is a borders in Denver?


And Mr Unabeefer: you are just jealous because you didn't think of having your own star trek thread so naw!

Yes, that is very true... I can at least brag that I started first!!!!  **dances on her grave**
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 26, 2011, 10:17:58 PM
I would have started my OWN thread but some moderator probably would have just merged them anyways.

Has that ever happened here?  I know it happens on other boards but I don't think I've ever seen it here.

This thread has me thinking of finally watching the first ten in production order, been thinking about it since TOS came out on VHS but have never gotten around to doing it.  I've seen them all dozens of times but never in this order:

 "The Cage"
 "Where No Man Has Gone Before"
 "The Corbomite Maneuver"
 "Mudd's Women"
 "The Enemy Within"
 "The Man Trap"
 "The Naked Time"
 "Charlie X"
 "Balance of Terror"
 "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"

I think Spock would be the character that would be the most interesting one to look for a progression of changes in personality, as Nimoy and the writers got Spock figured out.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 26, 2011, 11:31:49 PM
I would have started my OWN thread but some moderator probably would have just merged them anyways.

Has that ever happened here?  I know it happens on other boards but I don't think I've ever seen it here.

I doubt it, but my point was about the futility and redundancy of it all.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 26, 2011, 11:40:04 PM
yup i was pretty damned happy too.  30% of all phil books.  was pretty awesome also hard not to just spend like 200 bucks.

Side note- During the prior round of Borders store closings, during the final weekend I walked out of there with a stack of novels five feet tall. All for about 25 bucks.

Yeah me too.  They arent that desperate yet i assume the price will go up as time goes on. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on July 27, 2011, 12:49:04 AM
Where is a borders in Denver?

Flatirons, Colorado Mills, up in Northglenn and allegedly one in Park Meadows. Although I thought that one closed years ago. I guess it moved into the mall itself.  There were 4 more outlets that closed in April or so.

And you'll find that for all their fame, the Klingons actually didn't show up too much in TOS.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 27, 2011, 04:21:44 AM
Balance of Terror

Another outstanding episode. Here I assumed the first villain alien race discussed on Star Trek would be those pesky Kilngons, but no, it's ROmulans. This was a great episode about racism as well as leadership. This whole episode was almost like an homage to the Cuban missile crisis. Very well done.

Shore Leave

Oh look, there is a new yeoman. Oh look, she's flirting with bones. I shall now refer to her as "Yeoman Ho".... stupid hoe.

Compound: That scene in MST3K makes much more sense now! I expected more from Mr Finnegan though. I love how he just pinned Kirk out of the blue, lol.

This episode feels more like he few TNG episodes I have watched. I can't really describe why, except that it's a throw away episode and has nothing to do with deep set philosophy or a themed story arc

Did you notice the weird scene near the start of the episode where Kirk seemed to be flirting with Spock.  I think pretty much everyone was out of character in this episode and it was really weird to watch.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 27, 2011, 11:11:36 AM
Balance of Terror was actually inspired by a movie about submarines in World War II called "The Enemy Below".  It's an interesting episode, but there are a few things that bug me about it.  Like, doesn't it seem awfully inefficient to have a team of people to turn on the phasers?  Also the effect of the phasers in this episode more closely resembles the effect for the photon torpedos.  Also, there's the whole sequence where the crew has to be quiet.  Why?  Sound doesn't travel through space, so unless the Romulans had the ship bugged or something there's no reason they couldn't talk normally.  Hell, they could have had a dixieland band on the bridge and it wouldn't have made any difference.  And it seems like Kirk is taking a big stand against Stiles, but shouldn't his way of thinking be less than commonplace in the 23rd Century anyway?  Especially considering the fact that Vulcans were one of the founding species of the Federation.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: goflyblind on July 27, 2011, 12:34:34 PM
Also, there's the whole sequence where the crew has to be quiet.  Why?  Sound doesn't travel through space, so unless the Romulans had the ship bugged or something there's no reason they couldn't talk normally.  Hell, they could have had a dixieland band on the bridge and it wouldn't have made any difference.

:D that would make the episode a million percent better.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 27, 2011, 12:50:39 PM
Also, there's the whole sequence where the crew has to be quiet.  Why?  Sound doesn't travel through space, so unless the Romulans had the ship bugged or something there's no reason they couldn't talk normally.  Hell, they could have had a dixieland band on the bridge and it wouldn't have made any difference.

:D that would make the episode a million percent better.

Spock! Get that band off my bridge!!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: goflyblind on July 27, 2011, 01:32:42 PM
Also, there's the whole sequence where the crew has to be quiet.  Why?  Sound doesn't travel through space, so unless the Romulans had the ship bugged or something there's no reason they couldn't talk normally.  Hell, they could have had a dixieland band on the bridge and it wouldn't have made any difference.

:D that would make the episode a million percent better.

Spock! Get that band off my bridge!!!

i'm sorry captain, but the music soothes my pon farr.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 27, 2011, 01:40:51 PM
Balance of Terror was actually inspired by a movie about submarines in World War II called "The Enemy Below".  It's an interesting episode, but there are a few things that bug me about it.  Like, doesn't it seem awfully inefficient to have a team of people to turn on the phasers?  Also the effect of the phasers in this episode more closely resembles the effect for the photon torpedos.  Also, there's the whole sequence where the crew has to be quiet.  Why?  Sound doesn't travel through space, so unless the Romulans had the ship bugged or something there's no reason they couldn't talk normally.  Hell, they could have had a dixieland band on the bridge and it wouldn't have made any difference.  And it seems like Kirk is taking a big stand against Stiles, but shouldn't his way of thinking be less than commonplace in the 23rd Century anyway?  Especially considering the fact that Vulcans were one of the founding species of the Federation.

Did any of the writers know that the Vulcans had founded Star Fleet?  I'll have to rewatch but i don't think in the first season any of the back story had been put in place.  I mean at one point the Enterprise is part of the "United earth Space Force" and there are only 12 ships in Star fleet and they seem to all be run by Humans.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 27, 2011, 08:18:20 PM
All females in TOS are dressed like hoes, but I won't go into bitching about that. No, yeoman ho is a ho because despite appearing out of nowhere, she hit on Bones. Now, I am not attracted to Deforest Kelley, but to see Bones have a girl is....it's not kosher. Especially when she gets all jealous when Bones comes back with the other chicks.

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 27, 2011, 09:42:16 PM
Balance of Terror was actually inspired by a movie about submarines in World War II called "The Enemy Below".  It's an interesting episode, but there are a few things that bug me about it.  Like, doesn't it seem awfully inefficient to have a team of people to turn on the phasers?  Also the effect of the phasers in this episode more closely resembles the effect for the photon torpedos.  Also, there's the whole sequence where the crew has to be quiet.  Why?  Sound doesn't travel through space, so unless the Romulans had the ship bugged or something there's no reason they couldn't talk normally.  Hell, they could have had a dixieland band on the bridge and it wouldn't have made any difference.  And it seems like Kirk is taking a big stand against Stiles, but shouldn't his way of thinking be less than commonplace in the 23rd Century anyway?  Especially considering the fact that Vulcans were one of the founding species of the Federation.

Did any of the writers know that the Vulcans had founded Star Fleet?  I'll have to rewatch but i don't think in the first season any of the back story had been put in place.  I mean at one point the Enterprise is part of the "United earth Space Force" and there are only 12 ships in Star fleet and they seem to all be run by Humans.

I'm just pointing out that there are certain inconsistencies in the series.  I mean, Kirk claims in one episode that Starfleet isn't military, yet they have a clearly military chain of command and all their ships are armed with state of the art weaponry.  And in Wrath Of Khan, Kirk's son expresses concern about the Genesis project falling into the hands of "the military", referring to Starfleet.  I guess what I'm saying is it might have helped if Roddenberry had developed a clear and specific backstory for not just the characters, but the whole world (or I guess universe in this case) which they inhabit right from the get-go.  Then it might not have ended up like it is today, when they've had to do a whole lot of retconning to even try to make sense of everything.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 28, 2011, 06:00:56 AM
It is a shame Gene never wrote up a detailed back story before the show started so everything was consistent, but you have to remember that back then there was no syndication, TV shows were maybe rerun once between seasons but after that no one expected them to be shown again.  Also the show was not serialised, and never shown in the order it was produced, so I don't think they really cared if all the fine details were consistent, each episode stands by itself.

Also since shows were only shown once or twice and there were no home recorders or home video market, they probably didn't think people would ever remember a word or effect that was inconsistent with a previous episode.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 28, 2011, 06:31:00 AM
The Galieo Seven

I cannot express enough bow much I adore this show. Spock was fucking brilliant! And the theme of emotion vs. Logic is explored in a very interesting depth. I like what this show teaches about leadership. Let's take the funeral scene: Spock is correct, that it was more important that he try to get the ship fixed than attend the funeral, but being a leader does involve respecting the people that work so hard for you, so Spock should have gone to the funeral. All of his decisions were made between a rock and a hard place, but because his character's ideology is one of logic, he cannot see that. My one issue with this episode is the ending: Instead of having the whole bridge chuckle at Spock's attitude, I would have preferred to see him and Kirk have a discussion about leadership, and maybe have him show emotions over the dead crewman but only to Kirk.

Also: Does anyone notice (in retrospect) that by explaining to random crewmember in blue that it is ok to sacrifice one man so that others may live is TOTAL foreshadowing to Wrath of Khan. As soon as Spock said that I was all "Yea, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, sucka" (yes, I trash talk my tv, what of it?)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on July 28, 2011, 11:51:50 AM
~spoiler alert~ I don't know if anyone knows this, but Spock's ears were glued on.  You could totally tell.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 28, 2011, 01:34:04 PM
~spoiler alert~ I don't know if anyone knows this, but Spock's ears were glued on.  You could totally tell.

You mean those aren't Leonard Nimoy's real ears?  My childhood is shattered!

Also the needs of the many verses the needs of the few or the one is one of Star Trek's many recurring themes.  It often goes hand-in-hand with Star Trek's favorite theme, the conflict of logic verses emotion.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 29, 2011, 09:50:11 PM
So I feel like shit right now because someone I care about told me I was boring when I was talking about how much I liked Star Trek, since the show has been around forever, apparently my feelings on it are nothing new.

I'm not gonna deny that I'm emotional (there is a reason Bones is my favorite character) but I kind of feel like maybe this is a stupid thread and I should stop.

So I guess I'll ask you guys. Am I just being silly? Do you guys think I'm boring because everything I'm talking about has been discussed before?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 29, 2011, 09:56:00 PM
no i do not
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on July 29, 2011, 10:27:27 PM
Forget them.

Look, on other forums, I've seen a zillion "Where I Watch/Read/Play" type threads where someone goes into a series or whatever and watches it from the beginning. They tend to generally be quite interesting as they allow people familiar with the material to relive what they liked about the show and possibly discover something new about the material. It's cool.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 30, 2011, 11:48:43 AM
Thanks guys :)


Ok, so the title of the episode escapes me, but Melvaar's prototype was in it! It's the one where the crew ends up the pets of an somewhat omnipotent being that wants to feel emotion and live like the people he sees on earh through his big ass telescope.

Anywhoo, watching this show reminds me of what I loved about reading Mody Dick: I love the dynamic of the ship. It truly is it's own little nation and Kirk's willingness to sacrifice himself so the Enterprise could get away is an excellent view of leadership: Again, we are looking at the concept of sacrificing one person to save more.

One thing: When watching Kirk talk to Spock about the young hijinks boys get into (sticking a girls golden curls into an inkwell) etc. I made the riff "stealing your stepdads car and tossing it into the grand canyon..."
Well I though it was funny
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 30, 2011, 12:06:42 PM
melllvar has three Ls in it. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on July 30, 2011, 02:06:48 PM
No, Metamorphis is next season. That one has "the guy who was later played by the farmer from Babe" in it. This one was probably "Squire of Gothos" since it had a cross between Liberace and "King of the Wild Frontier" era Adam Ant in it.

This of course means that the true star of Star Trek is next- the Vasquez Rocks.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 30, 2011, 08:26:38 PM
So I feel like shit right now because someone I care about told me I was boring when I was talking about how much I liked Star Trek, since the show has been around forever, apparently my feelings on it are nothing new.

I'm not gonna deny that I'm emotional (there is a reason Bones is my favorite character) but I kind of feel like maybe this is a stupid thread and I should stop.

So I guess I'll ask you guys. Am I just being silly? Do you guys think I'm boring because everything I'm talking about has been discussed before?

Find two(2) trekkies (I refuse to call em "trekkers") and shove em into a room together for any more than a minute, and you will hear a conversation about Star Trek that they have each had a MILLION times before.

So while yes it's just as silly as ANY typical conversation/thread about Star Trek, us Trek fans (mild or hardcore both) don't tend to find anyone's observations about the show boring!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 30, 2011, 08:29:58 PM
So I really enjoy seeing your perspective on it as a first-time experience, and I particularly like that you seem to be enjoying the hell out of it.  The only thing about this thread that bugs me is when people keep bringing in TNG and DS9 stuff. :)

What have you got against TNG or DS9?!?  What are you going to do once anais gets through TNG and starts watching those?!?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 30, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
So I really enjoy seeing your perspective on it as a first-time experience, and I particularly like that you seem to be enjoying the hell out of it.  The only thing about this thread that bugs me is when people keep bringing in TNG and DS9 stuff. :)
What have you got against TNG or DS9?!?  What are you going to do once anais gets through TNG and starts watching those?!?
Totally, DS9 is EASILY the deepest and most compelling Trek show that also actually has a story arc that can be traced from the first episode to the very LAST one!  You know why DS9 is the best of all the Treks? two words: ELIM GARAK.

I think above all though, the narrative structure was arranged in such a way that sometimes each episode would end with a very surprising and thought-provoking twist. Some of my favorite examples were The Search part 2 and Heart of Stone. If you haven't seen Heart of stone... watch it NOW.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on July 30, 2011, 08:54:57 PM
So I really enjoy seeing your perspective on it as a first-time experience, and I particularly like that you seem to be enjoying the hell out of it.  The only thing about this thread that bugs me is when people keep bringing in TNG and DS9 stuff. :)
What have you got against TNG or DS9?!?  What are you going to do once anais gets through TNG and starts watching those?!?
Totally, DS9 is EASILY the deepest and most compelling Trek show that also actually has a story arc that can be traced from the first episode to the very LAST one!  You know why DS9 is the best of all the Treks? two words: ELIM GARAK.

I think above all though, the narrative structure was arranged in such a way that sometimes each episode would end with a very surprising and thought-provoking twist. Some of my favorite examples were The Search part 2 and Heart of Stone. If you haven't seen Heart of stone... watch it NOW.

Shhh, they're gonna start telling you to not post your opinions in this thread.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 30, 2011, 08:58:14 PM
Shhh, they're gonna start telling you to not post your opinions in this thread.
Oh boy, if I only had a 1/4 cent for every time somebody told me not to post my opinions.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 30, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
I don't want to watch it out of order, but I want you to remind me of that DS9 episode when I get there
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 30, 2011, 10:43:24 PM
Well, I only think DS9 is okay, not great. And I like TNG just fine.  But they're orders of magnitude worse than TOS.

Orders of magnitude?  I can think of a bunch of TNG episodes that are nearly as good as the original series.  Sure I don't think it ever matched it but it came close a few times.

Comparing the worst of both maybe orders of magnitude would be correct, but TNG had a lot more chances to be bad (and there was a writers strike somewhere in there for TNG)...

For all the other series it's hard to think of episodes that came close to the best of TOS, so I'll agree there.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on July 31, 2011, 01:21:00 AM
Apropos of this thread:

Seen in a "Breaking news" e-mail I received earlier tonight:

Colorado Springs trible murder suspect found dead

Yes, it's a misspelling of tribbles too, but still the thought of a tribble murderer (either one killing tribbles or a tribble doing the killer) just makes me snicker.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: goflyblind on July 31, 2011, 06:58:45 AM
Apropos of this thread:

Seen in a "Breaking news" e-mail I received earlier tonight:

Colorado Springs trible murder suspect found dead

Yes, it's a misspelling of tribbles too, but still the thought of a tribble murderer (either one killing tribbles or a tribble doing the killer) just makes me snicker.

tribbles: not only are they born pregnant, but they're also born... to kill!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 31, 2011, 10:11:22 AM
Well, I only think DS9 is okay, not great. And I like TNG just fine.  But they're orders of magnitude worse than TOS.
Might you please explain how the great writing on DS9 relegates it to a mere "okay" status?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on July 31, 2011, 10:39:03 AM
I want to see the DS9 episode where they go back in time to the Tribbles episode.  I've seen parts of it, but never the whole thing.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 31, 2011, 07:10:11 PM
Because most of the characters aren't interesting, the religion portrayed on the show is one-dimensional, and despite being a "serialized" drama, nothing ever sticks (how many times did Dukat get the reset button hit on his character?).  I mean, how many times can I thrill at O'Brien's family problems?  Be *dazzled* as Sisko has dinner with his son!  Be astounded as you watch two characters who shouldn't really have a romantic involvement get married and speak silly made up languages!

On rewatching I skip Dukat or Bajor-centered eps, and usually skip the obligatory "torture O'Brien" episodes as well.
It seems as though you're letting your focus on the ONLY negative aspects of the show cloud your judgment. At least
that's how it seems to me Imrahil. I suggest you take another look at Ben Sisko, Kira Nerys, Bashir, Worf, Garak, Odo
and even Quark. They all had great episodes where they got their time in the sun. "Far Beyond the Stars", "It's only a
paper moon", "Apocalypse rising", "The Siege of AR-588", "The Search", "The Way of the warrior", "The Die is cast",
"Paradise lost", "In purgatory's shadow", "By Inferno's Light", "Return to grace", "Sons of Mogh", "The Magnificent Ferengi",
I mean Jesus man if you'll just look you'll find the number of great episodes outweigh the bad ones by a substantial margin.

Oh... let's not also forget the episode " The Visitor".... Far and away better than any episode on TNG or TOS.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 31, 2011, 07:26:05 PM
Because most of the characters aren't interesting, the religion portrayed on the show is one-dimensional, and despite being a "serialized" drama, nothing ever sticks (how many times did Dukat get the reset button hit on his character?).  I mean, how many times can I thrill at O'Brien's family problems?  Be *dazzled* as Sisko has dinner with his son!  Be astounded as you watch two characters who shouldn't really have a romantic involvement get married and speak silly made up languages!

On rewatching I skip Dukat or Bajor-centered eps, and usually skip the obligatory "torture O'Brien" episodes as well.
It seems as though you're letting your focus on the ONLY negative aspects of the show cloud your judgment. At least
that's how it seems to me Imrahil. I suggest you take another look at Ben Sisko, Kira Nerys, Bashir, Worf, Garak, and
even Quark. They all had great episodes where they got their time in the sun.

Oh... let's not also forget the episode " The Visitor".... Far and away better than any episode on TNG or TOS.

I've already posted some of my reasons for not liking DS9, and could go on even more than Imrahil...  But not much point, liking or not liking a show is very personal and subjective.  There's no way you can convince me "The Visitor" is anywhere near as good as "The Doomsday Machine" or a whole bunch of other TOS episodes I can think of.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 31, 2011, 07:58:47 PM
I've already posted some of my reasons for not liking DS9, and could go on even more than Imrahil...  But not much point, liking or not liking a show is very personal and subjective.  There's no way you can convince me "The Visitor" is anywhere near as good as "The Doomsday Machine" or a whole bunch of other TOS episodes I can think of.
I see, so a very personal, very poignant epic story taking place over several decades isn't nearly
as good as a run of the mill average TOS episode? Right, I suppose you share the same feelings
about "In the pale moonlight" and "Far Beyond the stars"?

And not really the point of this thread, so I'll let Anais post again before I do.
Oh, I'm terribly sorry your most exalted majesty. I just thought that it was a good idea
to discuss Star Trek... but forgive me, because I forgot that this isn't a Star Trek thread!
Again, I apologize fervently and feverishly your most supreme eminence. Please send
me not from your sight Prince Imrahil.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 31, 2011, 08:33:15 PM
I've already posted some of my reasons for not liking DS9, and could go on even more than Imrahil...  But not much point, liking or not liking a show is very personal and subjective.  There's no way you can convince me "The Visitor" is anywhere near as good as "The Doomsday Machine" or a whole bunch of other TOS episodes I can think of.
I see, so a very personal, very poignant epic story taking place over several decades isn't nearly
as good as a run of the mill average TOS episode? Right, I suppose you share the same feelings
about "In the pale moonlight" and "Far Beyond the stars"?

It's like art, show a room full of people a painting and some with think it's a masterpiece and some will say it's utter crap.   Everyone sees things differently.  So, yes I would say the same thing about any other episode of DS9 you can mention.  Where you see a run of the mill TOS episode I see a great one, while you think DS9 was great I kick myself for watching it every week thinking I would like it more if I stuck with it....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on July 31, 2011, 09:21:56 PM
Guys, I want you to feel free to talk about anything star trek related (if it deals with shows I am not watching I will simply ask you guys to discuss it again when I get to that part. I feel like this show could be discussed over and over again, so post your ideas. If you find something you want to agree with, that's awesome. Something you want to disagree with, that's fine too. But don't be offended or get defensive. This show is so special because there are so many levels. Just be happy somebody else loves the show as much as you do.




I feel like Fry in the Futurama star trek episode now
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on July 31, 2011, 09:36:45 PM
It's like art, show a room full of people a painting and some with think it's a masterpiece and some will say it's utter crap.   Everyone sees things differently.  So, yes I would say the same thing about any other episode of DS9 you can mention.  Where you see a run of the mill TOS episode I see a great one, while you think DS9 was great I kick myself for watching it every week thinking I would like it more if I stuck with it....
I'm not sure opinions are always so great because sometimes I am just so incredibly confused and
puzzled by what others think. It's just so hard for me to see things from somebody else's point of view.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 08:21:02 AM
So I really enjoy seeing your perspective on it as a first-time experience, and I particularly like that you seem to be enjoying the hell out of it.  The only thing about this thread that bugs me is when people keep bringing in TNG and DS9 stuff. :)
What have you got against TNG or DS9?!?  What are you going to do once anais gets through TNG and starts watching those?!?
Totally, DS9 is EASILY the deepest and most compelling Trek show that also actually has a story arc that can be traced from the first episode to the very LAST one!  You know why DS9 is the best of all the Treks? two words: ELIM GARAK.

I think above all though, the narrative structure was arranged in such a way that sometimes each episode would end with a very surprising and thought-provoking twist. Some of my favorite examples were The Search part 2 and Heart of Stone. If you haven't seen Heart of stone... watch it NOW.

Heh absolutely love Elim.  Of all the charectars in star trek i find him in a weird place where there is just no one else like him.  Likable and evil in his own way.  Kinda like quark in that regard i guess.  Yet he isnt really like quark at all. 

Heh in defending DS9 i kinda feel like danny devito in my cousin vinny And i quote from his opening statement in court
Uh... everything that guy just said is bullshit... Thank you.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Tripe on August 01, 2011, 08:42:30 AM
Heh in defending DS9 i kinda feel like danny devito in my cousin vinny And i quote from his opening statement in court
Uh... everything that guy just said is bullshit... Thank you.
I'd have loved to see DeVito in My Cousin Vinny, he's great in It's Always Sunny

I really like DS9 but I can see what Confused Mathew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMbAp3JjQQQ) is talking about with it not being really Trek so much. But then I like Babylon 5.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 08:46:03 AM
heh you have to understand i havent had my coffee this morning. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 01, 2011, 09:02:33 AM
The original series was often described by its creators as "Wagon Train To The Stars", and the same label could probably apply to TNG.  So if TOS and TNG are "Wagon Train To The Stars", I guess that makes DS9 "Gunsmoke In Space".
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 01, 2011, 11:52:21 AM
Everyone knows the greatest installment of the franchise is the J.J. Abrams movie. Duh!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 12:05:40 PM
Everyone knows the greatest installment of the franchise is the J.J. Abrams movie. Duh!
Heh heh heh, I loved the movie, but after much deliberation and allowing so much time to pass to
let the joy wear off, Wrath of Khan is still the best Trek movie I think. Abrams movie is a close 2nd
though.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 12:46:46 PM
Not a voyage home?  Come on everone loves the whales.  Not to mention First contact is pretty damned good.  At least i remember it beging so i havent seen it in over a decade.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 12:50:59 PM
Not a voyage home?  Come on everone loves the whales.  Not to mention First contact is pretty damned good.  At least i remember it beging so i havent seen it in over a decade.
Voyage home is very good... first Contact I really have a LOT of problems with, not the least of which is
turning Picard into a psychopath who murders his own crew as they're being turned into Borg then turning
him into an action hero... that's okay for Kirk, but not for Picard. I mean they tackled the theme of old age for
Kirk, why not for Picard?  It's like all the TNG movies were determined to keep Picard young forever.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 01, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
Not a voyage home?  Come on everone loves the whales.  Not to mention First contact is pretty damned good.  At least i remember it beging so i havent seen it in over a decade.
Voyage home is very good... first Contact I really have a LOT of problems with, not the least of which is
turning Picard into a psychopath who murders his own crew as they're being turned into Borg then turning
him into an action hero... that's okay for Kirk, but not for Picard. I mean they tackled the theme of old age for
Kirk, why not for Picard?  It's like all the TNG movies were determined to keep Picard young forever.

I don't think age was as much of an issue for Picard as it was for Kirk.  They did tackle the issue in Generations, at least as far as Picard realizing that he'd made it to that point in his life without leaving someone to carry on his legacy.  But overall Picard has seemed more at peace with his age than Kirk was.  Part of Kirk's problem with age was that in Wrath of Khan he was flying a desk instead of a starship, and was feeling as though his glory days were behind him.  If I remember my Star Trek history correctly, Picard didn't even get his first command until he was older than Kirk was at the beginning of The Original Series, and didn't get the Enterprise until several years after that. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 01:11:31 PM
And the thing with him killing his "crew" was addressed in episodes too like the ones dealing with hu (sic) where he was willing to let a virus enter the collective and wipe them out.  They seemed to have made it clear that the best of both worlds whole locutus of borg thing damaged his psyche rather severly. 

Also i like the whole idea of a zombie star trek movie :)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 01, 2011, 01:13:46 PM
I actually really loved Nemesis....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 01:45:47 PM
I actually really loved Nemesis....
Get out! :D
John Logan seemed to forget all the times there was a clone of Picard or another Picard or
all the episodes where there were two Datas... and even one episode where there were THREE
Datas in the same time line!

The dune buggy scene was hysterical, I'll give Nemesis credit for that, and only that.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 01, 2011, 02:30:21 PM
I actually really loved Nemesis....
Get out! :D
John Logan seemed to forget all the times there was a clone of Picard or another Picard or
all the episodes where there were two Datas... and even one episode where there were THREE
Datas in the same time line!

The dune buggy scene was hysterical, I'll give Nemesis credit for that, and only that.

It was Data's final step towards humanity though! (and quite a great one at that) ,..... Also, the scene with the Enterprise ramming head-on into the enemy vessel was brilliant!!!

And if you listen to commentaries, no they didn't "forget" about anything that came before it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on August 01, 2011, 02:32:31 PM
....anyway. Anais? Look what I picked up today:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51F%2BOPU4t6L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

$15 Brand new at a local chain.

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 01, 2011, 02:47:56 PM
To Serve All My Days is way better than TOS.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on August 01, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
To Serve All My Days is way better than TOS.

:D
'Oh My..'
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 01, 2011, 03:08:15 PM
To Serve All My Days is way better than TOS.

:D
'Oh My..'

No way, man.  Everyone knows that Steven P. Ratliff's Star Trek fan fiction featuring Queen President Admiral Marissa Amber Flores Picard Ricardo Carmichael Jingleheimer Schmidtt Bouvier is the ultimate Star Trek experience!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 01, 2011, 03:21:26 PM
Arena

Ah yes, I remember this lovely one from years of watching Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey, I have finally seen this episode. Wow, was it fantastic. Not only is Kirk ruggedly handsome and a fighter, but he can use his mind and his soul. This episode could almost be about Kirk using four main elements as a captain: Bravado, Physical Strength, Intellect, and Compassion. It was only with all of these elements that Kirk was able to defeat not only the lizard dude, but the dudes that forced Kirk into fighting as well. Although, I must say I am disappointed a little. I thought this was going to be the episode where Kirk and some other person are being watched as they fight to the death and the music goes “Da Da Da Da Da”

Well that probably didn’t help actually.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 01, 2011, 03:21:57 PM

Tomorrow is Yesterday

So I cannot even begin to tell you how much I wanted to skip over this episode. I assumed it would be a slapsticky “oh look at how different the future is” type of thing a la Star Trek 4. I was so pleasantly surprised. They did a wonderful job of really discussing about the drawbacks of time travel and the moral obligation the ship had. They will not just willy nilly destroy the future, no sir. And, I must admit my baby clock might be ticking but when the 1960s Air Force Captain learned he was going to have a son…the look on his face was so…precious? I don’t know, but it made me happy. Although, how did they get to the past if there was nothing that smelled like blue?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 01, 2011, 03:22:44 PM
Court Martial

Oh wow. So, I have noticed that Kirk is getting…a little less involved in his acting and delivery (the long pauses have begun to make their appearance) but, seriously, this dude had it at one point. This was another great episode. I really want to re-read all of my Melville stuff and compare the ship sociology with what I am used to. I am highly intrigued by the ideas of court martials and the protocol that has to be followed by everyone on the ship. All of it is fantastic. I like the settings on this show. For example, some episodes will involve the crew going to a planet and the drama that ensues. Some episodes are about the crew spending the entirety of the episode on the bridge…and the drama that ensues. I have heard that TNG and especially DSP has more of a combined story arch for each season, which I very much look forward to seeing, but there is something about this version that is really cool.


So I will be watching the next episode at the gym....and then HOME to watch SPACE SEED on the Big Screen!!!!


KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Matt B on August 01, 2011, 03:25:18 PM
Ahem. Dalty? Do you want me to start posting excerpts from the "Marrissa/Wesley" slash fics? I'll do it.

And it's two r's in Marrissa in Ratliff's stuff. Trust me on this.

No, Endeavour's not done yet. Working on it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on August 01, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
I thought this was going to be the episode where Kirk and some other person are being watched as they fight to the death and the music goes “Da Da Da Da Da”

That's probably "The Gamemasters of Triskelion."

You know, it's kinda sad that I know that episode title from memory and from that not terribly elaborate description.

Oh, and Im? Your reference to not seeing Court Martial until much later brought to mind this running gag:
(http://www.melonpool.com/comics/1996-05-21.gif)

Geez. Troop did that strip in 1996. I've been online for waaaaay too long.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 03:53:37 PM
Getting back to TOS... The Conscience of the King is absolutely brilliant. If you haven't, check it
out. ;)

It was Data's final step towards humanity though! (and quite a great one at that) ,..... Also, the scene with the Enterprise ramming head-on into the enemy vessel was brilliant!!!
And if you listen to commentaries, no they didn't "forget" about anything that came before it.
Here's my biggest problem with Nemesis... it seems like a really badly xeroxed copy of
The Wrath of Khan. Much in the same way Attack of the clones was a badly xeroxed copy
of The Empire Strikes Back. And what is with the green plastic drum cymbals in Nemesis?!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 01, 2011, 03:56:24 PM
Court Martial

Oh wow. So, I have noticed that Kirk is getting…a little less involved in his acting and delivery (the long pauses have begun to make their appearance) but, seriously, this dude had it at one point. This was another great episode. I really want to re-read all of my Melville stuff and compare the ship sociology with what I am used to. I am highly intrigued by the ideas of court martials and the protocol that has to be followed by everyone on the ship. All of it is fantastic. I like the settings on this show. For example, some episodes will involve the crew going to a planet and the drama that ensues. Some episodes are about the crew spending the entirety of the episode on the bridge…and the drama that ensues. I have heard that TNG and especially DSP has more of a combined story arch for each season, which I very much look forward to seeing, but there is something about this version that is really cool.


So I will be watching the next episode at the gym....and then HOME to watch SPACE SEED on the Big Screen!!!!


KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN


I have read in a few places that about half way through each season Shatner started to get really tired(he was in almost ever scene so that is about a 12-15 hour day 6 days a week)and that if you watch episodes in order you will see him go into auto pilot.  I don't think it's as bad as some other people do but giving how insane the filming was on the show I can't say I really blame him for not being able to give 100% all the time.  it's hard to work when your body just wants to go to sleep.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 04:31:38 PM
Heh i like the extradition episode of ds9.  Anais your description of court martial makes me think of that one.  Procedure and about the way right way to lead a military ship and all that. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 04:33:26 PM
Heh i like the extradition episode of ds9.  Anais your description of court martial makes me think of that one.  Procedure and about the way right way to lead a military ship and all that. 
You mean the episode where they put O'Brian on trial for the murder of a Cardassian?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 01, 2011, 04:36:00 PM
Ahem. Dalty? Do you want me to start posting excerpts from the "Marrissa/Wesley" slash fics? I'll do it.

And it's two r's in Marrissa in Ratliff's stuff. Trust me on this.

No, Endeavour's not done yet. Working on it.

You don't scare me, Matt.  

Anyway, one of my favorite anecdotes about Shatner comes from Wrath of Khan.  Nicholas Meyer noticed that Shatner would kinda ham it up on the first few takes of each scene, so he'd make Shatner do take after take until he started doing it straight.  
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 01, 2011, 04:47:37 PM
(http://www.tshirtbordello.com/images/keeping-up-with-the-cardassians-l1.gif)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 05:19:13 PM
so they are lame except for all those exceptions?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 01, 2011, 08:41:41 PM
Oh wow. So, I have noticed that Kirk is getting…a little less involved in his acting and delivery (the long pauses have begun to make their appearance)

I love just how suddenly the pauses came about.  Like, one episode he's normal, and then all of a sudden BAM... He's the Shatner impersonation.  Maybe he got hit in the head?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 08:43:34 PM
Ugh. Cardassians.  Lamest race ever.*  Mostly because we had to watch 7 years of their fucking bullshit "light through a grating" on DS9. Ugh. Worst. Lighting. Ever.
Wow, your primary complaint about the Cardassians has to do... WITH THE LIGHTING, that's
the BEST you can do Imrahil? Fucking lame. It's like you watched and watched "Wait, I hate
these Cardassians, but there's GOT to be something about them I can justifiably hate... OH
I got it, the LIGHTING! The Cardassians suck balls because their lighting is ASS!

Now me, I don't give a shit about the lighting, I don't give a shit about the hairstyles, the makeup,
all I give a shit about is if the story is good and the characters are developed. But then again, being
reasonable and old-fashioned like that must make me seem like a colossal fucking asshole huh?
I guess I have no choice but to be picked on for being a fucking unreasonable dipshit asshole all
my life, so I guess I'll defer to your better judgement Imrahil, I am so sorry I was being an asshole
for focusing on story and character rather than the LIGHTING. ;)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 01, 2011, 08:47:56 PM
(http://www.tshirtbordello.com/images/keeping-up-with-the-cardassians-l1.gif)

I was waiting for someone to illustrate that joke!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 08:49:08 PM
(http://www.tshirtbordello.com/images/keeping-up-with-the-cardassians-l1.gif)

I was waiting for someone to illustrate that joke!
By the way... I came up with that joke LONG before that T-shirt came along, that goddamn
company owes me some royalties. :)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 08:51:08 PM
Man, you're kinda Isaac-esque, gunflyer. 
Who's that? Actually I've been pretty sarcastic all my life. No offense intended Imrahil, btw. :)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 01, 2011, 08:55:00 PM
(http://www.tshirtbordello.com/images/keeping-up-with-the-cardassians-l1.gif)

I was waiting for someone to illustrate that joke!
By the way... I came up with that joke LONG before that T-shirt came along, that goddamn
company owes me some royalties. :)

I think everyone came up with that joke a long time ago.  Well, everyone who's a Star Trek fan, anyway.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 09:08:32 PM
he isnt issaacesque even close.  Your just heavy handed in your critques imrahil. 

And i want an obsidian order insignia on my cubicle wall.   
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 09:19:02 PM
And i want an obsidian order insignia on my cubicle wall.   
Who doesn't? ;)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 09:20:22 PM
I think the irony for me would be delicious
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 09:36:37 PM
It isnt unreasonable to critque the cinema.  Granted lets be fair the cardassians are from a brutal military state that specials in politcal intrigue spys, and torture.  They are gonna have a lighting similar to risa.  Really the lightening they use for them isnt much different from what they use for the klingons.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 09:45:59 PM
heh yeah i liked him, but i also thought gowron made a pretty interesting guy.  But i got a softspot for the guy who plays gowron.  thanks to this lovely game.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Generation-Interactive-Game-Unique/dp/B000O9IXKG

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 10:44:17 PM
Yeah, the klingons. Sigh.  I will say that DS9 kinda fixed the effed up Klingons we got in TNG.  Martok was one of the best characters in the show.
Garak was the best character. He could have murdered Captain Janeway and gotten away with it.... well,
I'm sure he would have had some help too, from one Harry Kim. :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 10:48:01 PM
heh i still love tain
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 10:52:56 PM
heh i still love tain
That sounds like a great idea for a back in time crossover story
Tain: Garak, it's good to see you again
Elim: Tain, is that you? I thought you were killed in the attack on the founders home planet
Tain: nope!
Garak: So, how's it going?
Tain: Listen, Garak, there's this very dangerous bitch who's going to command a ship full of Starfleet
officers and they are consequently going to fuck shit up for the Obsidian Order, I want you to take this
bitch out
Garak: Who's the bitch?
Tain: Captain Catherine Janeway, just lock her in a room with anti--transporting shielding without
coffee for 1 day and inside that day she will crumble into dust
Garak: What did she do to earn so much wrath?
Tain: Bitch took 7 years of my life.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 11:07:59 PM
huh.  I never watched voyager.  so they brought the order to there too huh
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 11:25:15 PM
huh.  I never watched voyager.  so they brought the order to there too huh
Actually no, I just wanted a flimsy excuse to murder Janeway for her bottomless stupidity.
She basically got her crew stranded in the Delta quadrant... FOR NO GODDAMN REASON!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 01, 2011, 11:46:53 PM
better than picard surrendering his charge without a fight several times. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 01, 2011, 11:52:40 PM
better than picard surrendering his charge without a fight several times. 
I almost forgot to mention the several hundred times Janeway violated the prime directive, tortured
her crew, violated the ethics of the Federation, and bitched every one out every single week.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 02, 2011, 10:29:39 AM
better than picard surrendering his charge without a fight several times. 
I almost forgot to mention the several hundred times Janeway violated the prime directive, tortured
her crew, violated the ethics of the Federation, and bitched every one out every single week.

Aside from her voice, this is the exact reason I could never get into Voyager.  They went over the top in trying to make her a "tough female" captain, that they seemed to miss the point of the Federation altogether.  How she ever made admiral is beyond me.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 02, 2011, 12:12:32 PM
heh she had a cool story to tell when she got back, so that helps. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: gbeenie on August 02, 2011, 02:23:22 PM
I love Janeway. Haters can go suck wind.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 02, 2011, 02:45:02 PM
I love Janeway. Haters can go suck wind.
What do you love about her? I heard Dexter kind of Admires her because she gets away
with murder without even trying to cover up her tracks :D Sayyyyy, that's a cool idea for
a crossover... Dexter kills Janeway.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 02, 2011, 02:57:05 PM
I love Janeway. Haters can go suck wind.

Don't you mean helium?!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 03, 2011, 06:51:03 AM
Janeway was occasionally good, the problem was that there was no consistency to her character.  

Is she going to follow the prime directive, or tell it to piss off this week?  
Is she going to be take charge, or moody this week?  


With Kirk, Picard, Sisko, even Archer, you had a good idea how they would handle a situation because their characters were established and consistent.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 03, 2011, 08:02:32 AM
Janeway was occasionally good, the problem was that there was no consistency to her character.  

Is she going to follow the prime directive, or tell it to piss off this week?  

I'll agree somewhat with this.  It seemed like they were trying to establish that she would have to bend the rules somewhat if she was going to keep the crew alive and get them home.  But then they started to throw in the idea that the ship was now it's own society, it might take generations to get home, and it wasn't really star fleet anymore.  They jumped back and forth between those ideas, instead of a more natural transition from one to the other.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 03, 2011, 09:20:22 AM
I'll agree somewhat with this.  It seemed like they were trying to establish that she would have to bend the rules somewhat if she was going to keep the crew alive and get them home.  But then they started to throw in the idea that the ship was now it's own society, it might take generations to get home, and it wasn't really star fleet anymore.  They jumped back and forth between those ideas, instead of a more natural transition from one to the other.
And yet mes amis, if it weren't for her gross negligent idiocy, they wouldn't have gotten stranded
in space in the first place.

I'm sorry, but that defense kind of strikes me as "well, that one guy stranded his crew on a planet
after blowing up their spaceship, but at least he didn't kill the rest of them."
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 03, 2011, 02:06:49 PM
The Return of the Archons

Another amazing episode, this one focused on religion and blindy following it. The philosohical implications of this episode were some of my favorites, especially since I have been thinking about religion a lot lately. Is it better to blindly follow something in order to have "peace" or to make your own decisions in order to truly live life? (Sarc, I would be very interested to know if they reference this episode in your book).

Also, I loved how they defeated Landru the machine at the end. So whenever Futurama did this with a robot, were they referencing this episode. This is also the first time I have ever heard the phrase "The Prime Directive" which you people seem to have been discussing in this thread whilst I was away.

Space Seed

The episode was so awesome I had to take a cold shower afterwards. The entire story was almost perfectly put together. They truly fit almost an entire movie into 50 min.  Khan looked different with black hair, but not as sexy. And the fact that he just was given a crewmember because she wanted to go (I guess these people don't sign contracts saying they will stay on the ship working for a certain amount of time).

I love the background to Khan, but I am confused. Is he the actual Khan Noonien Singh, or is he a clone? For some reason I always thought he was a clone. If his the actual Khan, shouldn't he be subject to trial for war crimes? Or was he  like Saddam before we went to war with him. Dangerous, but no reason to NOT LEAVE HIM AND HIS CREW STRANDED ON A  LPANET WITH ONE OF MY CREWMEMBERS.

That seems like somewhat of a dumb move opn Kirk's part.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on August 03, 2011, 02:21:45 PM
Khan's the same guy. He had genetic modifications during the 90s (cough) but he and his followers were in suspended animation while in space.

As for the exile, I suspect this: "Oh, hey. A guy who conquered a quarter of the world is back. Hmm. The paperwork for this is going to be a nightmare. I think I'll just 'lose' him before I get back to base. Whoops."
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 03, 2011, 02:28:40 PM
I'll agree somewhat with this.  It seemed like they were trying to establish that she would have to bend the rules somewhat if she was going to keep the crew alive and get them home.  But then they started to throw in the idea that the ship was now it's own society, it might take generations to get home, and it wasn't really star fleet anymore.  They jumped back and forth between those ideas, instead of a more natural transition from one to the other.
And yet mes amis, if it weren't for her gross negligent idiocy, they wouldn't have gotten stranded
in space in the first place.

Having recently re-watched the first 2 episodes, that is pretty serious exaggeration.  There were perfectly logical reasons for just about everything that happened.

Besides, if she had gotten Voyager back home in the second episode the series would have been pretty short..... :-)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 03, 2011, 02:33:55 PM
I love the background to Khan, but I am confused. Is he the actual Khan Noonien Singh, or is he a clone? For some reason I always thought he was a clone. If his the actual Khan, shouldn't he be subject to trial for war crimes? Or was he  like Saddam before we went to war with him. Dangerous, but no reason to NOT LEAVE HIM AND HIS SCREW STRANDED ON A  LPANET WITH ONE OF MY CREWMEMBERS.

That seems like somewhat of a dumb move opn Kirk's part.

I thought you just watched the movies?  Kirk has a line: "I know what he blames me for", so he obviously had been keeping tabs on Khan's gang.

As for the crewmember, she would have been court martialed for mutiny if she had stayed on board.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 03, 2011, 03:01:24 PM
Having recently re-watched the first 2 episodes, that is pretty serious exaggeration.  There were perfectly logical reasons for just about everything that happened.
Besides, if she had gotten Voyager back home in the second episode the series would have been pretty short..... :-)
The caretaker could have been destroyed without getting Janeway's crew stranded. It's called a time bomb, failing that, beam
over a photon torpedo with circuitry and locks so complicated that the Kazon can't disarm it in time after returning to the
Alpha quadrant via the caretaker, then blow it the fuck up.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 03, 2011, 03:50:44 PM
I love the background to Khan, but I am confused. Is he the actual Khan Noonien Singh, or is he a clone? For some reason I always thought he was a clone. If his the actual Khan, shouldn't he be subject to trial for war crimes? Or was he  like Saddam before we went to war with him. Dangerous, but no reason to NOT LEAVE HIM AND HIS SCREW STRANDED ON A  LPANET WITH ONE OF MY CREWMEMBERS.

That seems like somewhat of a dumb move opn Kirk's part.

I thought you just watched the movies?  Kirk has a line: "I know what he blames me for", so he obviously had been keeping tabs on Khan's gang.

As for the crewmember, she would have been court martialed for mutiny if she had stayed on board.

I have seen the movies before, but I have never analized them until now
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 03, 2011, 04:00:49 PM
The caretaker could have been destroyed without getting Janeway's crew stranded.

Of course there were ways to do it, but like I said, the series would have been 2 episodes.  Voyager only occasionally had good writing, so as a pretence to get a ship stranded 70,000 light years from home (the main idea behind the series) it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 03, 2011, 05:21:47 PM
Never been all that thrilled with Khan. To each his own, I guess, but I've never really been into either the movie, the episode, or the character.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 03, 2011, 05:48:59 PM
Khan's the same guy. He had genetic modifications during the 90s (cough) but he and his followers were in suspended animation while in space.

There was a really cool series of books that came out 5-10 years ago that dealt with Khan on earth and on Ceti Alpha.  The first one at least explains how he could be "in power" in the 1990s and nobody's heard of him, AND it features Gary Seven and Roberta Lincoln. 

Seriously, they're a great read, as they're laced with James Bond and Man from UNCLE references as well.

Do you remember the names of the books or who wrote them so i can look them up?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: gbeenie on August 03, 2011, 06:36:09 PM

Space Seed

The episode was so awesome I had to take a cold shower afterwards. The entire story was almost perfectly put together. They truly fit almost an entire movie into 50 min.  Khan looked different with black hair, but not as sexy. And the fact that he just was given a crewmember because she wanted to go (I guess these people don't sign contracts saying they will stay on the ship working for a certain amount of time).

I love the background to Khan, but I am confused. Is he the actual Khan Noonien Singh, or is he a clone? For some reason I always thought he was a clone. If his the actual Khan, shouldn't he be subject to trial for war crimes? Or was he  like Saddam before we went to war with him. Dangerous, but no reason to NOT LEAVE HIM AND HIS CREW STRANDED ON A  LPANET WITH ONE OF MY CREWMEMBERS.

That seems like somewhat of a dumb move opn Kirk's part.

Well, I always viewed Starfleet as being like a fleet of ships in the days of naval exploration. Far from any base, with spotty communication, commanders often had to make decisions about life and death while separated from the normal chain of command. Clearly, Khan was too dangerous to keep around, and so Kirk probably only felt he had two viable alternatives in the situation: Either strand Khan's people somewhere, or summarily execute them. Since the latter would have not only potentially brought down the wrath of his superiors, but also exacerbated the dissension Khan was already fomenting on the Enterprise, doing as he did may have been the best of not particularly desirable options.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 03, 2011, 08:14:40 PM

Do you remember the names of the books or who wrote them so i can look them up?

Greg Cox, Eugenics Wars Vol I (http://www.amazon.com/Eugenics-Wars-Vol-Noonien-Singh/dp/B000F6ZBF8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1312422761&sr=8-2)
I think To Reign in Hell is part 2--I don't remember reading it.  Greg Cox does good Trek novels though; he also did a fun one with Gary Seven and the TOS crew, and one about Harry Mudd.

Is that the same as the graphic novel that came out recently?  There's one with that title that's about Khan's years on Ceti Alpha 5.  I've read parts of it, and it seems pretty interesting, you see what causes Khan's degredation from a cool, calm, collected man who respects and admires Kirk, repeatedly stating his belief that Kirk will come back for them, a claim that becomes less credible and more desparate as time goes on and the creatures we see in Star Trek II start killing off Khan's crew, driving them to turn against each other.  My only complaint about the story is that it would have been a perfect opportunity to finally explain why Khan recognizes Chekhov, as the crew of the Enterprise are dropping Khan off at the beginning of the story.  They could have easily had a short scene with Chekhov there telling Khan about something he did to help them with their colony, and had Khan say something to the effect of "Thank you, Mr. Chekhov, for all your help.  I shall never forget you."  But evidentally it didn't occur to them.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 03, 2011, 08:29:37 PM
Is that the same as the graphic novel that came out recently?  There's one with that title that's about Khan's years on Ceti Alpha 5.  I've read parts of it, and it seems pretty interesting, you see what causes Khan's degredation from a cool, calm, collected man who respects and admires Kirk, repeatedly stating his belief that Kirk will come back for them, a claim that becomes less credible and more desparate as time goes on and the creatures we see in Star Trek II start killing off Khan's crew, driving them to turn against each other.  My only complaint about the story is that it would have been a perfect opportunity to finally explain why Khan recognizes Chekhov, as the crew of the Enterprise are dropping Khan off at the beginning of the story.  They could have easily had a short scene with Chekhov there telling Khan about something he did to help them with their colony, and had Khan say something to the effect of "Thank you, Mr. Chekhov, for all your help.  I shall never forget you."  But evidentally it didn't occur to them.
An unfortunate and lost opportunity. :(

I am hoping that when the NEW Star Trek 2 comes out in 2013 (yes, I heard it's been pushed back), it'll take
the chance to go the high road and make Kirk and Khan friends, rather than enemies... but then again, that
might considerably screw up the time line of TOS movies. Ah, fuck it. The whole "What if" concept makes for
great movie ideas.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on August 03, 2011, 10:47:02 PM
Khan's the same guy. He had genetic modifications during the 90s (cough) but he and his followers were in suspended animation while in space.

There was a really cool series of books that came out 5-10 years ago that dealt with Khan on earth and on Ceti Alpha.  The first one at least explains how he could be "in power" in the 1990s and nobody's heard of him, AND it features Gary Seven and Roberta Lincoln. 

Seriously, they're a great read, as they're laced with James Bond and Man from UNCLE references as well.

Do you remember the names of the books or who wrote them so i can look them up?

Greg Cox wrote them. There were 3 in total, IIRC.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 04, 2011, 09:02:57 PM
Anybody else think the Borg Queen was a bad idea?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: gbeenie on August 04, 2011, 09:30:24 PM
Yup. The Borg Queen was part of what made First Contact fall flat on its face for me.

Personally, I thought the Borg Queen was used to much better effect in the finale to Voyager.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 04, 2011, 09:39:45 PM
Yup. The Borg Queen was part of what made First Contact fall flat on its face for me.

Personally, I thought the Borg Queen was used to much better effect in the finale to Voyager.
You are probably right. It's too bad they couldn't acquire certain rights from MGM, if we lived in
a country where we could say eff it to copyright infringement, I would have made Hal-9000 the
leader of the Borg.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Johnny Unusual on August 05, 2011, 07:05:26 AM
Yeah, I like First Contact, but the Borg Queen doesn't work for a large number of reasons.  One, it just makes the Borg super-villains rather than just a terrifying alien race (I mean, I think there's a TNG episode that ends with the characters hoping that one day they can meet with the Borg on their own terms in a non-war capacity.  Feel free to correct me if I remember this incorrectly).

Two, it makes the Borg a lot less alien and homogeneous.  Despite the term "hive mind" they should need a queen.  One is all.

Three, if they had to have a queen, did they need to have one that's so overtly lustful and is trying to tempt Data by getting him IN TOUCH WITH HIS HUMAN SIDE!  That is dumb on another level.  The whole point of the Borg is they steal your humanity.

Plus, is there a reason that the leader of one of the most fearsome alien races (which already should be leaderless) in the Star Trek universe needed to be on this mission?

Despite it's many flaws I like First Contact, but there are many flaws.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 05, 2011, 07:50:10 AM
i always assumed there several borg queens.  They acted kinda like routers, and would fill in where one mind and will might work better than the collective. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 05, 2011, 12:02:37 PM
The more I watch it, the more I like Insurrection.  It really felt like an episode of the show itself, which makes it fit in better, IMO.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: goflyblind on August 05, 2011, 01:09:16 PM
if we lived in a country where we could say eff it to copyright infringement, I would have made Hal-9000 the
leader of the Borg.

wasn't there some attempt to entwine the histories of the borg and v'yger?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on August 05, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
if we lived in a country where we could say eff it to copyright infringement, I would have made Hal-9000 the
leader of the Borg.

wasn't there some attempt to entwine the histories of the borg and v'yger?

In one of the novels, yep. IIRC, Peter David had The Doomsday Machine created as an anti-Borg weapon. Then again, so was King Gidorah in some fanfic.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 05, 2011, 02:38:34 PM
Also the Shatnerverse novels establish that the machine planet V'Ger visited was in fact the Borg homeworld.  Also no one trusts Kirk and keeps stuff from him. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 05, 2011, 03:47:39 PM
 Also no one trusts Kirk and keeps stuff from him.  
Life imitates art :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 05, 2011, 04:00:35 PM
A Taste of Armageddon

Holy Crap was this an awesome episode! It was like Ender’s Game meets Star Trek with a twist of War Games. Truly phenemonal and more proof that Kirk is the superior officer! So I assume this episode is a metaphor for the cold war? I just finished reading Oswald’s Tale by Norman Mailer and my interest in the Cold War and Russia has picked up. The Termination Booths seem to be like Gas Chambers in the concentration camps, but I know star trek was not trying to say that victims did that voluntarily. I think the writers were thinking “this is what could happen with the cold war if we don’t get over ourselves. This episode can still speak to us. The history of combat is also fascinating (Captain) and I agree with the writers. This is the next logical step but what a step. The computer decides who lives or dies, and not ones own cunning. No, Kirk is the type of person who would survive a battle and that knowledge, that there is a way to survive, prompted his decision. Luckily, they all got peace and everyone lived happily ever after

This Side of Paradise

All the Milton references in “Space Seed” and this episode doesn’t make one? LAME! Despite that flaw, this is another fantastic episode. Are you guys sure there are some bad ones? Because I am not seeing this (granted I am still in season 1). I liked this episode a lot because it focused on Spooooooooooooock. I just think Spock is a great character in terms of his alien race, his inner conflict, and his friendship and duty to Kirk. Episodes that focus on him are really cool for me to watch. Although he is an alien, when he has these inner conflicts he seems the most…..human.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 05, 2011, 04:01:05 PM
According to Wikipedia I need to watch the animated series before I move on to the movies. Where can I get these episodes
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 05, 2011, 04:06:28 PM
According to Wikipedia I need to watch the animated series before I move on to the movies. Where can I get these episodes
I would say don't worry about it and ignore the animated series. They have NOTHING to do with
any of the movies.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on August 05, 2011, 04:08:08 PM
According to Wikipedia I need to watch the animated series before I move on to the movies. Where can I get these episodes
Netflix! 8)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 05, 2011, 04:39:29 PM
According to Wikipedia I need to watch the animated series before I move on to the movies. Where can I get these episodes
Netflix! 8)


Instant Watch? I only do that because I can't afford the DVD service right now
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on August 05, 2011, 05:23:14 PM
According to Wikipedia I need to watch the animated series before I move on to the movies. Where can I get these episodes
Netflix! 8)


Instant Watch? I only do that because I can't afford the DVD service right now
oH .. Don't know :-\
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 05, 2011, 06:04:30 PM
Are you guys sure there are some bad ones? Because I am not seeing this (granted I am still in season 1).

Season 3 is when NBC slashed the budget, that's when the bad ones start to surface.

If you think season one is good wait till season 2!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on August 05, 2011, 08:04:12 PM

This Side of Paradise

All the Milton references in “Space Seed” and this episode doesn’t make one? LAME! Despite that flaw, this is another fantastic episode. Are you guys sure there are some bad ones?

Yes. Oh dear lord Herbert, yes. Trust us on this.

According to Wikipedia I need to watch the animated series before I move on to the movies. Where can I get these episodes?

(cough) Send a PM my way. (/cough)

And I would say watch them. Yes, they're not essential, but they're amusing, there's a Larry Niven story in there and you get to see where the modern cat girl meme probably comes from. And one episode "Yesteryear" is considered to be mostly canon as well.  Plus Walter Koenig wrote an episode as well.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on August 05, 2011, 08:40:19 PM
Excuse me while I create my own Star Trek log .. :o
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 05, 2011, 09:33:27 PM
I am in a unique Minority... I would rather watch Star Trek V then ANY of the Next Gen films.

I just think the original crew has better chemistry, and everyone still has their own unique moments
in V despite the script being absolute shit.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 05, 2011, 09:58:40 PM
Everyone should watch Star Trek V at least once.  There are things so bad they really do need to be seen.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 05, 2011, 10:01:07 PM
Everyone should watch Star Trek V at least once.  There are things so bad they really do need to be seen.
Hell yes. Biggest problem of all was that Shatner relied more on the concept of special effects to make his
movie good, then on his basic premise.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 05, 2011, 10:02:16 PM
I don't hugely enjoy Trek V, but I too would rather watch it than the TNG movies.  I think I've seen Generations once, in theaters, and that other one I forget the name of.  I still haven't seen Insurrection.  First Contact was OK, but not super Star Trek-y.
Wow, we're agreeing on so much lately... this is odd, don't you think Imrahil? :)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 05, 2011, 10:09:21 PM
Oh wait, I did see Insurrection. I haven't seen the last one. With the bald Romulan guy.  Nemesis, that's it.
Well, check it out... But don't be surprised if you start laughing during the dune buggy sequence.
It's only slightly less annoying than the Pod racing scene in Episode 1.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 05, 2011, 10:20:02 PM
There's quite a few gems in the Animated Series.  There's a hilarious Harry Mudd episode called "Mudd's Passion".  Trouble With Tribbles gets a sequel in "More Tribbles, More Troubles".  Of course there's the already mentioned "Yesteryear".  There's an episode, I forget what it's called, where Uhura actually gets to take command of the Enterprise, and she shows herself to be a very capable commanding officer.  "The Jihad" is another good one, it's an episode where Kirk and Spock are summoned by the oldest spacefaring race in the galaxy to be part of a team sent to recover an important artifact that could ignite a holy war in the galaxy.  "Bem" is an interesting if odd episode, odd because of the title character, interesting in that it's one of the only times in Star Trek where there's a god-like alien creature watching over a planet that doesn't eventually turn out to be evil or even just exploiting the primitive inhabitants of the planet.  

That's the good, now for the bad.

The animation is about the same standard as one of the Hanna Barbera action shows from the same period.  In fact most of the aliens and backgrounds would not have looked out of place in an episode of Space Ghost or Birdman.  And the show had a very limited budget for voice actors, which meant that while most of the cast of the live action series returned for the animated series (except Walter Koenig), the rest of them had to double up on parts for most episodes, because they simply could not afford to hire guest stars.  There were a few exceptions, namely Mark Lenard played Sarek again in Yesteryear, and the guy that played Harry Mudd reprised his role, and the guy that played Cyrano Jones in "The Trouble With Tribbles" played the role again in "More Tribbles, More Troubles".  And I think a couple of animators or other people that worked for the studio might have had a line here or there as some unnamed ensign or other.  But that was it.  Most of the "guest" characters were played by members of the main cast, usually James Doohan.  (And they all sound exactly the same.)  Any female guest characters were done either by Nichelle Nichols or Majel Barrett.  And as for the music, for some reason instead of actually using Alexander Courage's Star Trek Theme, they used a knockoff that sounds exactly like you'd expect a knockoff of the original Star Trek theme to sound.  Bad.  And for the actual in episode music, it's basically the same 6 tracks over and over.  There's dramatic track 1, dramatic track 2, mysterious track 1, mysterious track 2, the action track, and the humorous track usually used for the end of episode gag to let off steam.

Anyway, I still say you should watch it, because I think the good points outweigh the bad points.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on August 06, 2011, 04:21:09 AM
Excuse me while I create my own Star Trek log .. :o

Ever think you might be descended from a parrot, RVR?  You tend to have stock phrases that you repeat whenever you see one here.

Polly ... I mean Proly.. :D :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 06, 2011, 09:47:14 AM
Okay, I know it will be some time before anais gets to season 4 of TNG... but I really think "Remember Me" was one of the best episodes (at least yet... and maybe of the entire series).

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 06, 2011, 03:49:34 PM
Okay, I know it will be some time before anais gets to season 4 of TNG... but I really think "Remember Me" was one of the best episodes (at least yet... and maybe of the entire series).

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yeah that is one of my favorite Star Trek episodes ever.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RoninFox on August 06, 2011, 04:14:38 PM
According to Wikipedia I need to watch the animated series before I move on to the movies. Where can I get these episodes

Just fair warning, if you do watch the animated series remember you have to deal with an occasional Furry hitting on Mr. Scott on the bridge.

(http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/00/5/4/9/0839162677067701.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 06, 2011, 05:20:52 PM
(http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/00/5/4/9/0839162677067701.jpg)
...If that doesn't make you run screaming, I don't know what will.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on August 07, 2011, 12:39:31 AM
Okay, I'm going to be a bit circumspect here to keep people from having the same reaction as me, but I'm watching a Trek series and there's a character who sounds almost exactly like Jake (Anakin Skywalker) Lloyd. It can't be hm of course since it was filmed prior to his birth, but the voice and delivery are eeriely similar.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RoninFox on August 07, 2011, 12:43:14 AM
Okay, I'm going to be a bit circumspect here to keep people from having the same reaction as me, but I'm watching a Trek series and there's a character who sounds almost exactly like Jake (Anakin Skywalker) Lloyd. It can't be hm of course since it was filmed prior to his birth, but the voice and delivery are eeriely similar.

Don't worry too much about it unless he yells "Yippie!"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 07, 2011, 04:46:54 AM
According to Wikipedia I need to watch the animated series before I move on to the movies. Where can I get these episodes

Just fair warning, if you do watch the animated series remember you have to deal with an occasional Furry hitting on Mr. Scott on the bridge.

(http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/00/5/4/9/0839162677067701.jpg)
:gouge:

You know I had finally stopped having nightmares about that thing and now you do this.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: mattwnelson on August 07, 2011, 08:13:53 AM
Okay, I'm going to be a bit circumspect here to keep people from having the same reaction as me, but I'm watching a Trek series and there's a character who sounds almost exactly like Jake (Anakin Skywalker) Lloyd. It can't be hm of course since it was filmed prior to his birth, but the voice and delivery are eeriely similar.

Is it Alexander? Because if it is, I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Henry88 on August 07, 2011, 05:58:21 PM
According to Wikipedia I need to watch the animated series before I move on to the movies. Where can I get these episodes

Just fair warning, if you do watch the animated series remember you have to deal with an occasional Furry hitting on Mr. Scott on the bridge.

(http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/00/5/4/9/0839162677067701.jpg)
:gouge:

You know I had finally stopped having nightmares about that thing and now you do this.

i don't see anything wrong with the the picture
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 07, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
i don't see anything wrong with the the picture
Sexualizing a furry is many things: creepy, scary, unnatural, freaky, terrifying... anything but right.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Henry88 on August 07, 2011, 10:35:08 PM
i don't see anything wrong with the the picture
Sexualizing a furry is many things: creepy, scary, unnatural, freaky, terrifying... anything but right.

i was not Sexualizing anything ,considering how many aliens are in star fleet a cat person is not unusual   
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 08, 2011, 12:04:25 AM
i was not Sexualizing anything ,considering how many aliens are in star fleet a cat person is not unusual  
And I did not say you were Gandolfo! Whoever Animated M'ress is the one
at fault imho.

How is M'ress sexualized?
Oh I dunno, maybe the fact that she's in a mini-dress? I guess it may depend upon your
point of view... but to anthropomorphize a creature like that and put them in a mini-dress
that is the crux of many a star trek fan boy sexual fantasy... it in general is something I find
creepy
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RoninFox on August 08, 2011, 12:17:01 AM

How is M'ress sexualized?
Oh I dunno, maybe the fact that she's in a mini-dress? I guess it may depend upon your
point of view... but to anthropomorphize a creature like that and put them in a mini-dress
that is the crux of many a star trek fan boy sexual fantasy... it in general is something I find
creepy

Well, really the mini-dress was standard Starfleet uniform for female officers. She's just wearing the same thing Uhura did with the same rank and the same job.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 08, 2011, 12:30:04 AM
Well, really the mini-dress was standard Starfleet uniform for female officers. She's just wearing the same thing Uhura did with the same rank and the same job.
I know, but the legs and everything. it just creeps me out for somebody to be dressing up
an animal like you would a human female.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 08, 2011, 01:25:04 AM
Well, really the mini-dress was standard Starfleet uniform for female officers. She's just wearing the same thing Uhura did with the same rank and the same job.
I know, but the legs and everything. it just creeps me out for somebody to be dressing up
an animal like you would a human female.

"If you chose to imagine her that way, that's your business!"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 08, 2011, 08:32:06 AM
Well, really the mini-dress was standard Starfleet uniform for female officers. She's just wearing the same thing Uhura did with the same rank and the same job.
I know, but the legs and everything. it just creeps me out for somebody to be dressing up
an animal like you would a human female.

You're not supposed to look at her as a dressed up "animal", she is another sentient alien in starfleet.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 08, 2011, 08:32:54 AM
You're not supposed to look at her as a dressed up "animal", she is another sentient alien in starfleet.
Then give her some damn pants. :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 08, 2011, 10:12:03 AM
Uhura doesn't have pants. Is she an animal?
Why is this so hard to understand?!
I don't want to see an anthropomorphic animal that looks like a woman dressed
in women's clothes. How else can I possibly put this?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Action Batch on August 08, 2011, 10:24:26 AM
How else can I possibly put this?

No quiero ver a un animal antropomórfico que se parece a una mujer vestida con ropa de mujer.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 08, 2011, 10:30:12 AM
No quiero ver a un animal antropomórfico que se parece a una mujer vestida con ropa de mujer.
Um... YEAH! That too....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 08, 2011, 10:33:58 AM
Uhura doesn't have pants. Is she an animal?
Why is this so hard to understand?!
I don't want to see an anthropomorphic animal that looks like a woman dressed
in women's clothes. How else can I possibly put this?

Personally, I'm more into BBW anthros.

(http://cdn.everyjoe.com/files/2009/09/bear-1.png)

Tell me you wouldn't hit that!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 08, 2011, 11:07:53 AM
Tell me you wouldn't hit that!
I will stick with the human species, tyvm. :)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 08, 2011, 12:38:32 PM
The Devil in the Dark

Is that the rug monster everyone has been going on about? Wow was that lame, but still, I enjoyed it. Good episode overall. I have to say, it takes a lot to suspend my disbelief that Spock can "mindmeld" with the rug monster. I mean, really? And the rug monster thought Spock's wittle ears were so attractive. Ugh. However, a nice peaceful happy ending. Of, if only we could all work together like the rug monster and the minors!

Errand of Mercy

The introduction of the Klingons and the people who inspired Brain Guy! (Are you suprised I got that? I mean, I am...like an Amoba). Anyway, now we have gone back to the type of episodes I like. Nice political and social commentary while Kirk gets his leadership on. So, when does Checkov show up....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 08, 2011, 12:51:40 PM
So, when does Checkov show up....

Season 2, Amok Time.

Oh, and, how dare you mock the Horta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ;D

Seriously, the Horta is a great science fiction aspect of the show.  An intelligent alien that is ugly looking to us.  If we ever to meet other intelligent life in the universe I'm sure it will be a similar situation. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 08, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
I've never wanted to fuck an animal so much since 2003.

Too much?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on August 08, 2011, 03:00:11 PM
I've never wanted to fuck an animal so much since 2003.

Too much?
Easy there side of Beef :o
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 08, 2011, 05:16:12 PM
I've never wanted to fuck an animal so much since 2003.

Too much?

I think the horta would probably burn through your genitals; remember it secretes a really powerful acid.

Acid like LSD or acid like the type that burns??

On a side note (ie, Star Trek), I'm now on the episode where Riker jumps into the future and has no recollection of the past 16 years.  I like the premise of this episode.... they could gone a bit deeper into the connection between the past and future though IMO.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 08, 2011, 06:09:25 PM
The Devil in the Dark

Is that the rug monster everyone has been going on about? Wow was that lame, but still, I enjoyed it. Good episode overall. I have to say, it takes a lot to suspend my disbelief that Spock can "mindmeld" with the rug monster. I mean, really? And the rug monster thought Spock's wittle ears were so attractive. Ugh. However, a nice peaceful happy ending. Of, if only we could all work together like the rug monster and the minors!

Errand of Mercy

The introduction of the Klingons and the people who inspired Brain Guy! (Are you suprised I got that? I mean, I am...like an Amoba). Anyway, now we have gone back to the type of episodes I like. Nice political and social commentary while Kirk gets his leadership on. So, when does Checkov show up....


If I'm not mistaken, Devil In The Dark was the first episode to feature the mind meld.  And there's kind of a funny anecdote to go along with it.  They needed some way that Spock could interrogate the creature, but they couldn't think of one that made any sense.  Meanwhile filming was interrupted a couple of days because William Shatner left to attend his father's funeral, so the time this episode was made was obviously an emotional one for him.  That's not the funny part.  I haven't gotten to it yet.  So while Shatner was gone, Leonard Nimoy started thinking about the "interrogation" scene, and it occurred to him that Vulcans could have some limited empathic abilities, abilities that are activated by touch, so he came up with something based on the touch used by rabbis giving a blessing, and he rehearsed the scene that way.  When Shatner returned, Nimoy pitched the idea to him, and he liked it, so the two of them acted it out in front of the producer and director, and they liked it.  And then when it came time to shoot the scene, when they got to the part where Spock says "Pain!  PAIN!"  Shatner got a mischievous glint in his eye and suddenly shouted "For God's sake!  Will somebody get this man some aspirin?!"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 08, 2011, 07:26:12 PM
Oh.  Well, the stuff about Shatner's dad passing away and the "Pain, pain" anecdote are still true of this episode.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: gbeenie on August 08, 2011, 08:14:37 PM
You're not supposed to look at her as a dressed up "animal", she is another sentient alien in starfleet.
Then give her some damn pants. :D

Uhura doesn't have pants. Is she an animal?

Roddenberry apparently thought so. Mrowr!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 09, 2011, 01:52:31 PM
Anyway, I was watching the Squire of Gothos the other day and I enjoyed it a lot. Trelane is a
fairly interesting and charismatic character in his own right, even if he is a colossal baby.

Also watched Shore Leave, which is always fun. It's the episode with Finnegan? Always makes
me laugh, and reminds me of the MST with Paul Chapman as Finnegan wailing on Mike.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 13, 2011, 09:12:56 PM
The Alternative Factor

I wasn’t a huge fan of this one. It seemed like it was trying to be 1970s Doctor Who…wait is that possible? Anyway, I thought the effects were cool, but they didn’t do anything to help me enjoy the episode. Interesting actually, since I am a Libra and I usually love stories about opposites. Positive and Negative, Alpha and Omega, Existence and non-existence etc. I must say, I really like the lighting on this show. Like when Kirk was talking to Lazarus and the light focused on his really light blue eyes. It just helped make the atmosphere of the show so friggin awesome.


City on the Edge of Forever

HOLY SHIT! This is an AMAZING episode! I actually had to watch it twice, it’s so fucking awesome. My apologies for all the profanity but the episode was really that great. Jim is an amazing creation. To watch him do the right thing no matter how much he is conflicted is really something. Ok, maybe I am gushing too much. First, there was the set up for the story. Having McCoy be so suave and cool when he used the…what did they call it, Cortozone? That sounds too commercially. Anyway, that freak accident causing this chain of events, and the duty Kirk had to make it right. And the music!

Operation Annihilate!

I would have loved to work on the prop department for this show. Those little Amoeba slugs were creatively done. This was a great season ender. Very emotional scenes for Kirk, strong moral and ethical lessons to be learned by Bones. Of course, the Deux ex Machina that was Spock’s extra eyelids was kind of lame, but I guess they couldn’t give them an extra long season finale.

On to Amok Time!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 14, 2011, 06:15:17 AM
The Alternative Factor

I wasn’t a huge fan of this one. It seemed like it was trying to be 1970s Doctor Who…wait is that possible? Anyway, I thought the effects were cool, but they didn’t do anything to help me enjoy the episode. Interesting actually, since I am a Libra and I usually love stories about opposites. Positive and Negative, Alpha and Omega, Existence and non-existence etc. I must say, I really like the lighting on this show. Like when Kirk was talking to Lazarus and the light focused on his really light blue eyes. It just helped make the atmosphere of the show so friggin awesome.


City on the Edge of Forever

HOLY SHIT! This is an AMAZING episode! I actually had to watch it twice, it’s so fucking awesome. My apologies for all the profanity but the episode was really that great. Jim is an amazing creation. To watch him do the right thing no matter how much he is conflicted is really something. Ok, maybe I am gushing too much. First, there was the set up for the story. Having McCoy be so suave and cool when he used the…what did they call it, Cortozone? That sounds too commercially. Anyway, that freak accident causing this chain of events, and the duty Kirk had to make it right. And the music!




There is a great Harlen Elison story that comes from this episode that I don't have time to go into in detail.  The bare facts are these.  Rodddenbury was the one who rewrote scripts in the first two seasons of Star trek he also was the one who got to decide if a script needed rewriting and every time a script got rewritten $500 of the writer's pay went to Roddenburry because he had worked on the script too.  Well let's just say some of the writers who were rewritten felt that their scripts didn't need rewrites and that Roddenburry just wanted the extra money,one of these writers was Harlen Elison and his script was City on the edge of Forever.  Any way to make a long story short when a Tv episode was nominated for a writer's guild award the credit writer was allowed to pick which draft of the script was being looked at.  Roddenbury and the producers of Star trek were very excited when city on the edge of forever was nominated,and they all showed up at the award dinner.  When it won they were very happy,that is until Elison took the stage and revealed that the draft that had won was not the one that had been filmed,it was the one he had written on his on. he then proceeded to rip Roddenburry and Tv producers in general a new one for rewrtting scripts that didn't need it and dumbing down great scripts.  he urged all writers to never let any script with their name on it be rewritten by a producer.  he got a round of applause and Roddenburry and the producer were forced to join in.  He then left Hollywood and didn't work there again for about 20 years.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 14, 2011, 08:28:24 AM
The Alternative Factor

I wasn’t a huge fan of this one. It seemed like it was trying to be 1970s Doctor Who…wait is that possible? Anyway, I thought the effects were cool, but they didn’t do anything to help me enjoy the episode. Interesting actually, since I am a Libra and I usually love stories about opposites. Positive and Negative, Alpha and Omega, Existence and non-existence etc. I must say, I really like the lighting on this show. Like when Kirk was talking to Lazarus and the light focused on his really light blue eyes. It just helped make the atmosphere of the show so friggin awesome.


City on the Edge of Forever

HOLY SHIT! This is an AMAZING episode! I actually had to watch it twice, it’s so fucking awesome. My apologies for all the profanity but the episode was really that great. Jim is an amazing creation. To watch him do the right thing no matter how much he is conflicted is really something. Ok, maybe I am gushing too much. First, there was the set up for the story. Having McCoy be so suave and cool when he used the…what did they call it, Cortozone? That sounds too commercially. Anyway, that freak accident causing this chain of events, and the duty Kirk had to make it right. And the music!




There is a great Harlen Elison story that comes from this episode that I don't have time to go into in detail.  The bare facts are these.  Rodddenbury was the one who rewrote scripts in the first two seasons of Star trek he also was the one who got to decide if a script needed rewriting and every time a script got rewritten $500 of the writer's pay went to Roddenburry because he had worked on the script too.  Well let's just say some of the writers who were rewritten felt that their scripts didn't need rewrites and that Roddenburry just wanted the extra money,one of these writers was Harlen Elison and his script was City on the edge of Forever.  Any way to make a long story short when a Tv episode was nominated for a writer's guild award the credit writer was allowed to pick which draft of the script was being looked at.  Roddenbury and the producers of Star trek were very excited when city on the edge of forever was nominated,and they all showed up at the award dinner.  When it won they were very happy,that is until Elison took the stage and revealed that the draft that had won was not the one that had been filmed,it was the one he had written on his on. he then proceeded to rip Roddenburry and Tv producers in general a new one for rewrtting scripts that didn't need it and dumbing down great scripts.  he urged all writers to never let any script with their name on it be rewritten by a producer.  he got a round of applause and Roddenburry and the producer were forced to join in.  He then left Hollywood and didn't work there again for about 20 years.

If you read much about Elison's life he comes off as kind of a dick....

It wasn't just Roddenbury that rewrote the script, it was mostly Coon and Fontana.  The original script was way too long, and had drug dealing aboard the Enterprise, an execution, and Kirk sacrificing his crew to stay with Edith, basically a lot of stuff that wasn't really "Trek".  Best quote I know of by Roddenbury about Elison winning for his first draft is: "many people would get prizes if they wrote scripts that budgeted out to three times the show's cost".
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 14, 2011, 09:10:03 AM
The Alternative Factor

I wasn’t a huge fan of this one. It seemed like it was trying to be 1970s Doctor Who…wait is that possible? Anyway, I thought the effects were cool, but they didn’t do anything to help me enjoy the episode. Interesting actually, since I am a Libra and I usually love stories about opposites. Positive and Negative, Alpha and Omega, Existence and non-existence etc. I must say, I really like the lighting on this show. Like when Kirk was talking to Lazarus and the light focused on his really light blue eyes. It just helped make the atmosphere of the show so friggin awesome.


City on the Edge of Forever

HOLY SHIT! This is an AMAZING episode! I actually had to watch it twice, it’s so fucking awesome. My apologies for all the profanity but the episode was really that great. Jim is an amazing creation. To watch him do the right thing no matter how much he is conflicted is really something. Ok, maybe I am gushing too much. First, there was the set up for the story. Having McCoy be so suave and cool when he used the…what did they call it, Cortozone? That sounds too commercially. Anyway, that freak accident causing this chain of events, and the duty Kirk had to make it right. And the music!




There is a great Harlen Elison story that comes from this episode that I don't have time to go into in detail.  The bare facts are these.  Rodddenbury was the one who rewrote scripts in the first two seasons of Star trek he also was the one who got to decide if a script needed rewriting and every time a script got rewritten $500 of the writer's pay went to Roddenburry because he had worked on the script too.  Well let's just say some of the writers who were rewritten felt that their scripts didn't need rewrites and that Roddenburry just wanted the extra money,one of these writers was Harlen Elison and his script was City on the edge of Forever.  Any way to make a long story short when a Tv episode was nominated for a writer's guild award the credit writer was allowed to pick which draft of the script was being looked at.  Roddenbury and the producers of Star trek were very excited when city on the edge of forever was nominated,and they all showed up at the award dinner.  When it won they were very happy,that is until Elison took the stage and revealed that the draft that had won was not the one that had been filmed,it was the one he had written on his on. he then proceeded to rip Roddenburry and Tv producers in general a new one for rewrtting scripts that didn't need it and dumbing down great scripts.  he urged all writers to never let any script with their name on it be rewritten by a producer.  he got a round of applause and Roddenburry and the producer were forced to join in.  He then left Hollywood and didn't work there again for about 20 years.

If you read much about Elison's life he comes off as kind of a dick....

It wasn't just Roddenbury that rewrote the script, it was mostly Coon and Fontana.  The original script was way too long, and had drug dealing aboard the Enterprise, an execution, and Kirk sacrificing his crew to stay with Edith, basically a lot of stuff that wasn't really "Trek".  Best quote I know of by Roddenbury about Elison winning for his first draft is: "many people would get prizes if they wrote scripts that budgeted out to three times the show's cost".

Still it's a great story. I believe I read somewhere that one of the reasons he was mad was that Roddenburry didn't give him the chance to rewrite it himself.  So yeah he was a dick but I can understand being mad about having your script rewritten and I can also understand why if he was getting the award he would want the script he had written to be what got the award.  I can understand Roddenburry's point of view too,but i still think it is a great story.

Elison may have been a dick but from what i can tell Roddenburry could be just as much a dick(just look at the story about him writing words to the Star Trek theme),and since he did leave Hollywood it does seem Elison stuck to his guns so there is that.  I wonder if he caused any behind the scenes trouble on Babylon 5,I'm guessing no or JMS knew how to handle him since he stayed for all five years of B5 and one of Crusade.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 14, 2011, 09:53:38 AM
Ellison is a colossal prick.  I've liked some of his stuff, but jesus the man's an asshole.
I haven't really read anything about him besides some stories about him working on Star trek and JMS talking about working with him on B5 and he doesn't seem to do anything in those stories that is any more dickish then lots of other people he was working with at the time.  let's face it Hollywood is mostly run by dicks.  I love Orson Well's work but I would be the first to admit that he could be a complete Asshole to those he worked with.  Did Elison do anything that crossed the lane by Hollywood standards?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 14, 2011, 10:28:36 AM
I just read this.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlan_Ellison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlan_Ellison)

Wow that is entertaining reading to say the least.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 14, 2011, 10:38:53 AM
Still it's a great story. I believe I read somewhere that one of the reasons he was mad was that Roddenburry didn't give him the chance to rewrite it himself. 

..................

since he did leave Hollywood it does seem Elison stuck to his guns so there is that. 

He delivered the script late, and was allowed to do 2 rewrites, but they still had to make some changes to make it work on budget and other stuff.  Not surprising they probably didn't want him on set doing last minute rewrites, due to his personality....

Looking at his filmography he wrote for TV shows and movies every year or 2 throughout the 60's and 70's, longest break was 4 years in the 80's, so he didn't quit for 20 years.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 14, 2011, 10:42:51 AM
What I've read of his prose (only a handful of stories) has been quite excellent, I should add. I think in his case it's important to separate the asshole artist from the work.

Yes, being full of one's self sometimes goes along with creativity....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 14, 2011, 10:44:43 AM
That's odd both the behind the scenes Star trek book I read and JMS said that he quit for 20 years after City on the edge of Forever.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 14, 2011, 03:02:32 PM
I may be alone in this, but I think City On The Edge Of Forever is kinda overrated.  It's so melodramatic, and I just don't find Edith Keeler that interesting a character.  I wonder if people would have even noticed this episode if it wasn't for Joan Collins.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 14, 2011, 06:15:43 PM
She is such a small element of the show when compared to Kirk, Bones, and Social Commentary
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 17, 2011, 04:14:19 PM
I am watching the classic DS9 episode "Far Beyond the Stars", and unfortunately just as many
people love it as there are people who hate the episode. I'm curious as to why people rationalize
hating it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 17, 2011, 04:39:18 PM
I am watching the classic DS9 episode "Far Beyond the Stars", and unfortunately just as many
people love it as there are people who hate the episode. I'm curious as to why people rationalize
hating it.

I still like the episode, but do have a bit of retroactive dislike for it due to them reusing the idea again in a later episode, and Behr's desire to make the whoel series one of Benny's dreams.

As a one-off episode, I thought it was fun, and it fit given Sisko's established fascination with the early 20th century.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 17, 2011, 06:39:18 PM
Because it's kind of trite and full of treacle?  It doesn't actually say anything new or profound, and does it in a way that's actually fairly well-trodden? 
I don't remember Kirk, Picard or Janeway having meaningful visions induced by the prophets.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 17, 2011, 07:12:22 PM
Prophets = Dei ex machina.  Pretty much the worst plot contrivance ever, short of ending it with "And then he woke up."  But they do that too, don't they?
Doesn't mean they do EVERYTHING for Sisko without consequence. That's part of the whole point
of the series. In fact, except for the one occasion in "Sacrifice of angels" where they made the Dominion
fleet vanish, they did very little for Sisko in the physical realm. They had nothing to do with winning the
war with the dominion either, as I recall.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 18, 2011, 12:05:52 AM
I think The Visitor is my favorite DS9 ep.  That was pretty good.
In the pale moonlight, Apocalypse Rising, The Die is cast, Heart of stone, In purgatory's
shadow, by Inferno's light, The magnificent ferengi, The Siege of AR-558, Sons of Mogh,
The Search, The Quickening, Past tense, The Way of the Warrior, Paradise Lost, Hard time,
Empok Nor, Waltz, Chrysalis, The Changing face of Evil, The Emperor's New Cloak... but
those are only my most favorite episodes, which in my opinion can easily stand toe to toe
with the best of anything else in Star Trek.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 18, 2011, 05:31:15 AM
I think The Visitor is my favorite DS9 ep.  That was pretty good.
In the pale moonlight, Apocalypse Rising, The Die is cast, Heart of stone, In purgatory's
shadow, by Inferno's light, The magnificent ferengi, The Siege of AR-558, Sons of Mogh,
The Search, The Quickening, Past tense, The Way of the Warrior, Paradise Lost, Hard time,
Empok Nor, Waltz, Chrysalis, The Changing face of Evil, The Emperor's New Cloak... but
those are only my most favorite episodes, which in my opinion can easily stand toe to toe
with the best of anything else in Star Trek.

No Duet?

Very nice list, though I really didn't like Emperor's New Cloak, and really didn't care for any of DS9's Mirror Universe episodes other than the first one.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 08:00:11 AM
I find it odd you have a problem with their mirror universe.  I found it a natural extension.   Its not like the TOS episode was some sort of amazing work of art anyways.  OOh look kirk is evil he has eye shadow.

Quote
In the pale moonlight

ABSOLUTELY loved this one. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 08:09:36 AM
Well the Ds9 ones ALSO ended on positive note. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 18, 2011, 09:08:09 AM
The TOS ended on a nice hopeful note about things getting better.
DS9 shat all over that, and made the fuckign bajorans (of all things) a "master race."  
Where the hell did you get that idea? i think you also place too high an importance on several
insignificant factors as well. The Bajorans a master race? i just don't see where the hell you're
coming from.  They're a society focused on few things: art, agriculture, religion and space travel. They
seem like a pretty humble people to me
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 18, 2011, 09:14:16 AM
Sorry about the lack of posting guys, I have been super busy with the List o Crap and I am being sent to Mexico for a month a week from Sunday, so I have a lot to get done.

One of the many things: Figure out how I can watch Netflis in a foreign country (My work laptop won't allow streaming media)


Oh, and I watched "The Problem with Popplers" last night, and I totally got this line:


Leela: It's a Class M planet, so there is bound to be roddenberries
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 18, 2011, 09:24:59 AM
I was talking mirror-bajorans. I thought the context made that clear.
Why is it such a big deal if it's the mirror universe? See I can understand if that was the whole thing
with the series, but there were what? Five, maybe six mirror episodes in total?  Even then, EVEN THEN
I don't remember the Bajorans in the mirror universe being zee master race! Even if they were.. so what?
I mean it didn't have any bearing on that or any other Trek series. I mean you can't hate a series just because
they didn't do things the way you wanted them to, I mean that's kind of like Oh it sucks that they made Picard
bald, I hate this show, bah bah bah bah!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 09:37:56 AM
It didnt seem like they were a master race to me.  It seemed like their planet was part of an alliance and kiras char was in charge of terok nor.  Worf held all the power.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 10:02:54 AM
It does kinda make sense though.  Further i love the idea of unintended consequences.  The idea that spock would become some kind of messiah and usher in an era of peace and totally alter the ethics and attitudes of nearly an entire galaxy seems kinda far fetched.  So the idea that things didnt turn out quite right is rather interesting to watch. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 18, 2011, 02:15:59 PM
It does kinda make sense though.  Further i love the idea of unintended consequences.  The idea that spock would become some kind of messiah and usher in an era of peace and totally alter the ethics and attitudes of nearly an entire galaxy seems kinda far fetched.  So the idea that things didnt turn out quite right is rather interesting to watch. 
At least, I think It's a hell of a much more thought-provoking idea then anything TNG ever gave us. TNG
was this show that was like oh there will be peace and no more conflict, more closely linked to Roddenberry's
ideas in TMP. Deep Space Nine is closer to Nick Meyer's perceptions of the future, which are much more
interesting and inherently dramatic. Before you retort Imrahil, think about how hard it is to write drama without
conflict.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 18, 2011, 02:24:42 PM
See, that's something I find kinda frustrating, because a lot of what Roddenberry claimed about Star Trek was clearly bogus!  Specifically the "no war, no disease, no prejudice" type stuff.  The Federation got into conflicts all the time, and there were quite a few episodes of every incarnation of Star Trek where the crew was dealing with some disease or other, and there was plenty of prejudice in the Star Trek universe.  I wonder if that was Roddenberry's intention, that the Federation, like all political entities, promises a lot more than it can possibly deliver.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 18, 2011, 02:39:43 PM
See, that's something I find kinda frustrating, because a lot of what Roddenberry claimed about Star Trek was clearly bogus!  Specifically the "no war, no disease, no prejudice" type stuff.  The Federation got into conflicts all the time, and there were quite a few episodes of every incarnation of Star Trek where the crew was dealing with some disease or other, and there was plenty of prejudice in the Star Trek universe.  I wonder if that was Roddenberry's intention, that the Federation, like all political entities, promises a lot more than it can possibly deliver.
As I recall, Roddenberry kind of had his head up his own ass. He said himself that Star Trek is not
a paramilitary show, he said it was Horatio Hornblower... does that not sound like a paramilitary
show to anybody else? Let's face it, he was also a pretty shitty writer. He was an idea man, not a writer...
much like George Lucas. They're both able to come up with ideas, but they can't write for shit.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Tripe on August 18, 2011, 02:41:35 PM
he said it was Horatio Hornblower... does that not sound like a paramilitary
show to anybody else?
Nope, that sounds like full military, nothing Para about it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 02:43:03 PM
only cause they repealed dont ask dont tell.  

You know cause now horatio can blow as many horns as he want?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Tripe on August 18, 2011, 02:44:11 PM
Never had that in the British Navy....

By Christ you should have seen us....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 18, 2011, 02:49:43 PM
only cause they repealed dont ask dont tell.  

Except in Star Trek.  No openly gay characters have ever appeared in any episode or the final version of any of the movies.  Neal McDonough's character in First Contact was supposed to be openly gay, but all scenes referencing his sexuality were cut out of the final film, supposedly at the personal request of either Rick Berman or Brannon Braga.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
I was referring to horatio hornblower being military.  it was a lame joke about his name. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 18, 2011, 02:52:01 PM
I was referring to horatio hornblower being military.  it was a lame joke about his name. 
yes... a VERY Lame joke Sarc. :)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Tripe on August 18, 2011, 02:53:59 PM
I was referring to horatio hornblower being military.  it was a lame joke about his name. 
I got it, though I'm not sure how familiar anyone was with the nautical song I referenced. ;)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 18, 2011, 07:36:43 PM
It still shits on the hopeful ending of Mirror, Mirror, and that's why it bugs me so much. 
It's just ONE episode Imrahil.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 08:03:38 PM
yup.  you did. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 18, 2011, 08:30:27 PM
So why is he still making a fuss?
Because you're making it... over one episode man. :)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 08:37:14 PM
So anywho Anais what was the episode you wanted to see in star trek and philosophy?  The faith one that i do know was in there was the worf episode from TNG meeting khaless for the first time.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 18, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
Jeez, you expect me to remember? Pretty much all the episodes that round out the ending of season 1 of TOS. Man, I wish I had money so I could buy that book and bring it to Mexico with me
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 09:17:39 PM
Beautiful kindle :)  I know you said it was one that had to do with blind faith but thats all i remember. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 18, 2011, 09:22:07 PM
Like I said before, I enjoyed DS9's first Mirror Universe episode.  I don't think it ruins the TOS episode.  While ending on a hopeful note, in "Mirror, Mirror" that would have just made the alternate Universe, the regular universe.  I thought it was a very subtle way of showing the consequences of one's action.  Not only did Kirk's actions have consequences, but the Empire's actions also had consequences.  It also seemed more "realistic".   Have an empire that has ruled with ruthless tyranny for centuries, just up and saying "whoops, our bad" and everyone having a group hug seems a bit of a stretch.  
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 09:27:04 PM
And i say DS9>TOS.  It is all personal preference. 

Im kinda curious Imrahil.  Which did you watch first?  Although i did watch TOS first i did not really like star trek till near the end of TNG.  So for me it was a very easy transition into DS9 and that was the one i just got hooked with.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 18, 2011, 09:40:24 PM
Something I found interesting, in my opinion, both TNG and DS9 really found their footing during seasons 3.  Too bad Enterprise got canned right when they found out what the show was supposed to be about from the beggining.  DS9 and TNG are both great shows, one thing about DS9 was they were able to get away with more of a serialized storyline.  They were able to build off of previous episodes and it helped out a lot.  It's why I prefer a well made tv show over a movie.  Even though the movie will have better production values the show's story will be much deeper and developed.  TNG had that in very small doses.  I love TNG but it doesnt hook me in like DS9 does, even though I have seen every episode, it still has that, you have to see whats in the next episode feeling.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 09:44:14 PM
Garak is the best damned "I wonder what he really knows" type of character. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 18, 2011, 10:32:34 PM
TOS -is- Star Trek.  The other things are...something else.  They're okay, and I quite like some TNG, but...they're something else. 
No one is saying DS9 is the idealized Star Trek, and maybe outside of a few fleeting similarities, it
doesn't really resemble Star Trek. However, in terms of care for the story arc and continuity, it is
much better than TOS.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 18, 2011, 10:40:44 PM
Well yeah but is any spin off really any other thing?  To me star trek is not TOS its not any of them.  Star trek is like dungeons and dragons.  Or Magic the gathering.  Its a fantasy realm in which certain rules exist.  Starships work a certain way as do spell in D and D.  It this imaginary realm that functions as a basic frame to put together different sci fi themes.  I think this way because i didnt grow up on the original show.  It was already a thing with SEVERAL movies, books, (and the animated series).  Each additional show was just an expansion pack.  Like magic the gathering, Alpha and Beta were the start, but i came in with the Tempest and Urzas saga blocks and to me that was where the fun was, likewise DS9 and TNG are where i found enjoyment. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 19, 2011, 05:29:43 AM
Some people like Star trek some people like Deep Space Nine and that is okay. Can't we all just agree that people who like Voyager are sick and need help and move on?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 19, 2011, 06:15:20 AM
Some people like Star trek some people like Deep Space Nine and that is okay. Can't we all just agree that people who like Voyager are sick and need help and move on?

Voyager was nowhere near what came before It, but I do think it had a very small handful of episodes that were very exceptional, and more that were at least entertaining.  Problem is where TOS, TNG, and DS9 occasionally had really bad episodes, Voyager had a lot of bad episodes.  Voyager's other problem was a very uninteresting cast.  Other than The Doctor, most the characters were uninteresting.  Janeway had a ton of potential, but the writers never seemed to figure out what they wanted from her and as a result her personality was all over the place from episode to episode.  You also had characters like Chakotay and Kim who were almost totally forgotten.  Kim was nothing but Paris' pet, and Chakotay was just a set piece in the background.

That being said, I think every problem Voyager had was amplified in Enterprise.  Where I could take Voyager episodes "Timeless" and "Living Witness" and really rank them along the best of the entire Trek franchise, I can't take even one episode  of Enterprise and rank it there.  Even season 4 while entertaining, was nothing stellar, and really was good only in relation to what came before.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on August 19, 2011, 06:17:52 AM
Some people like Star trek some people like Deep Space Nine and that is okay. Can't we all just agree that people who like Voyager are sick and need help and move on?
Kinda like sayin Rocky V was better than Rocky 5.. :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 19, 2011, 02:42:43 PM
Gunflyer: I guess I'm not that interested in story arcs and continuity?  I dunno. The DS9 characters mostly seemed really uninteresting to me; the ones I liked were the second-tier group (O'Brien, Quark, Garak) and I disliked most of the principals (Sisko, Kira, Dax, Bashir).
Fair enough I suppose, DS9 just really appealed to me so deeply for some reason.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 19, 2011, 03:04:57 PM
Although I wouldn't consider O'Brien second tier.  He was definitely a favorite of mine.  When the Klingons consider you an expert in starship combat that is saying something.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 19, 2011, 03:13:31 PM
Although I wouldn't consider O'Brien second tier.  He was definitely a favorite of mine.  When the Klingons consider you an expert in starship combat that is saying something.

I don't see how you could put O'Brien in 2nd tier and not put Bashir there too. O'Brian was certainly a bigger character in the show than Bashir was.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 19, 2011, 03:21:02 PM
As far as the story arc is concerned they are both second tier.  Also considering how much time they spent together they are clearly on the same tier whatever tier that is. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 19, 2011, 08:56:38 PM
Something I've been wondering, has anyone ever edited or tried to edit the series finale of Enterprise and whatever episode of TNG it's supposed to take place during together into a single movie?  That would be an interesting extra credit project for a film school student.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 19, 2011, 09:02:39 PM
Yeah, that would be an interesting project.  The TNG episode is called The Pegasus. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 19, 2011, 09:15:53 PM
Something I've been wondering, has anyone ever edited or tried to edit the series finale of Enterprise and whatever episode of TNG it's supposed to take place during together into a single movie?  That would be an interesting extra credit project for a film school student.
Oh God, THAT episode. It is painfully obvious that Riker and Troi look about 20 years older in that episode
then they did in the original episode, and the worst part is there was only about 11 years passage of time between
The Pegasus and the Enterprise finale.

If I have 100 bucks to spare I will gladly donate it to SF Debris to request that he review that episode.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 20, 2011, 06:31:42 AM
The real question is what's the worst Star Trek episode ever?

Enterprise's "These Are The Voyages..." or Voyager's "Threshold"?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 20, 2011, 07:13:40 AM
Hands down, Threshold.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 20, 2011, 07:38:33 AM
Absolutely it's Threshold...  There's just steaming piles of bad in that mess of an episode. 

That's the problem with Voyager, there are episodes I really like but when it was bad it was really bad.  Re-watching it now on Netflix it's nice to skip the bad ones, last one I watched was "Cold Fire".
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 20, 2011, 07:50:54 AM
The real question is what's the worst Star Trek episode ever?

Enterprise's "These Are The Voyages..." or Voyager's "Threshold"?

I think Star Trek: TMP should be included (it's just an extendede (waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay extended) episode
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RoninFox on August 20, 2011, 07:56:30 AM
The real question is what's the worst Star Trek episode ever?

Enterprise's "These Are The Voyages..." or Voyager's "Threshold"?

I think Star Trek: TMP should be included (it's just an extendede (waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay extended) episode

I fully endorse this idea.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 20, 2011, 08:07:16 AM
I would watch TMP over Threshold any day.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 20, 2011, 09:10:03 AM
TMP is my second favorite of the movies.

Really? Fascinating. To be honest, Ive seen it two times with Ronin's riff. And I liked it enough to get into star trek (I watched that before 2,4, and the TV show, but at the time I was not too happy with it as a whole. I can't wait to rewatch all the movies after I finish watching TOS.

Everyone, please rank the movies. I would like to see what everything thinks:

Aug 2011 Order:
Wrath of Khan
Search for Spock
Undiscovered Country
Voyage Home
TMP
That other one
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 20, 2011, 09:57:50 AM
TMP is my second favorite of the movies.
(Jaw drops)

okay... that explains a lot.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Tripe on August 20, 2011, 10:01:15 AM
Beardless Sikh and his amazing earwigs
Bones Goes Bonkers
Red Foreman Rules the Universe
Fun with Humpbacks
Chicks Without Hair are Still Kinda Foxy
God's a Nasty Bastard

Would probably be my order
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 20, 2011, 10:07:32 AM
I have to say though, Star Trek V for all its flaws has some pretty good scoring to it also.  Not quite as good as TMP though.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 20, 2011, 10:09:14 AM
I would watch TMP over Threshold any day.
Yeah at least TMP's plot made sense,it had an Enterprise that looked really cool,one of my favorite film scores of all time,and SFX that still look kind of impressive.  It has massive writing and pacing problems but at least it has those upsides going for it so I watch it about once a year.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Tripe on August 20, 2011, 10:12:11 AM
They did get better at re-purposing Phase II scripts and storylines though, well once (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Due).
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 20, 2011, 10:52:10 AM
They did get better at re-purposing Phase II scripts and storylines though, well once (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Due).
You know my favorite scene from that TNG episode?

Data: Would you please stop the Earthquake Captain?
Picard: Of course, Ardra, would you do the honors?
Ardra:(Smiles) OF COURSE!
(nothing happens)
Picard: Is something wrong?
Ardra: I like the tremors!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 20, 2011, 10:58:13 AM
Well I don't!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 20, 2011, 11:01:53 AM
 
They did get better at re-purposing Phase II scripts and storylines though, well once (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Due).
I thought some of the Klingon episodes in TNG were loosely... very loosely... adapted from story ideas for Phase II.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Tripe on August 20, 2011, 11:05:38 AM
Oh no doubt other things from Phase II filtered in but I think only two episodes were taken from the story bank for the show as is and them retrofitted; Devil's Due and The Child.

EDIT: Though it seems the Klingon things from Phase II were reused to flesh out the Romulans more than the TNG Klingons. I do like the sound of the main Klingon episode (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Kitumba) though.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 20, 2011, 12:15:18 PM
Beardless Sikh and his amazing earwigs
Bones Goes Bonkers
Red Foreman Rules the Universe
Fun with Humpbacks
Chicks Without Hair are Still Kinda Foxy
God's a Nasty Bastard

Would probably be my order

God I do love those subtitles
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Tripe on August 20, 2011, 12:18:23 PM
I did think of

Captain von Qapla' Barks Shakespeare

But I like Kurtwood Smith. :)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 20, 2011, 12:45:39 PM
Beardless Sikh and his amazing earwigs
Bones Goes Bonkers
Red Foreman Rules the Universe
Fun with Humpbacks
Chicks Without Hair are Still Kinda Foxy
God's a Nasty Bastard

Would probably be my order
Speaking of... If I were to categorize all 11 Trek movies in order from best to worst....
(I can't think of titles as clever as that so I'll just do it by subtitle)
Wrath
Star Trek '09
Voyage home
Undiscovered country
Search for Spock
First contact
The motion(less) picture
The final frontier
Insurrection
Nemesis
Generations
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Tripe on August 20, 2011, 12:50:11 PM
First contact
Insurrection
Nemesis
Generations
How Data Got His Groove Back
Bev and Deanna  Speak of Boobs
Bald on Bald
Kirk shows us his Yarbles.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 20, 2011, 12:53:10 PM
How Data Got His Grove Back
Bev and Deanna  Speak of Boobs
Bald on Bald
Kirk shows us his Yarbles.
His GROVE?  :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Tripe on August 20, 2011, 12:54:46 PM
Fixed, new keyboard, some of the keys don't seem to register every stroke.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Scrivener on August 20, 2011, 12:59:26 PM
For the Original Series movies:  II, IV, III, I, VI, V.

A lot of people are fans of VI, but I've always thought its sledgehammeringly obvious allegory a match for the worst of the Original Series, virtually as bad as "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield."

There is actually rather a lot to like in I (even beyond Ronin Fox's riff), but pacing issues utterly cripple that movie. (The Director's Cut trims away a bit of the worst time-wasting, but only a bit.)  It's nowhere near as bad as V, of course. (Though even that has the occasional flash of something interesting.  Just occasional.)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on August 20, 2011, 01:27:51 PM
TMP is my second favorite of the movies.

Really? Fascinating. To be honest, Ive seen it two times with Ronin's riff. And I liked it enough to get into star trek (I watched that before 2,4, and the TV show, but at the time I was not too happy with it as a whole. I can't wait to rewatch all the movies after I finish watching TOS.

Everyone, please rank the movies. I would like to see what everything thinks:

Aug 2011 Order:
Wrath of Khan
Search for Spock
Undiscovered Country
Voyage Home
TMP
That other one

Wrath of Khan
iTrek
First Contact
Galaxy Quest
Voyage Home
Undiscovered Country
Search for Spock
Nemesis
Generations
TMP
Insurrection
The One with the Fan Dances
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on August 20, 2011, 01:35:28 PM
The real question is what's the worst Star Trek episode ever?

Enterprise's "These Are The Voyages..." or Voyager's "Threshold"?

"Spock's Brain" Or maybe "Justice" or "Symbosis." That "Tasha, what are drugs?" speech was anvilicous even when the episode first aired. Threshold ranks up there too though.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 20, 2011, 05:00:31 PM
The real question is what's the worst Star Trek episode ever?

Enterprise's "These Are The Voyages..." or Voyager's "Threshold"?

"Spock's Brain" Or maybe "Justice" or "Symbosis." That "Tasha, what are drugs?" speech was anvilicous even when the episode first aired. Threshold ranks up there too though.

Symbiosis wasn't nearly as bad as Threshold, one stupid question is nothing compared to Janeway and Paris "evolving" into big lizards and having lizard babies....

My rankings for the movies would go:

II
IV
VIII
VI
III
And the rest in the basement....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 20, 2011, 05:59:53 PM
"Spock's Brain" Or maybe "Justice" or "Symbosis." That "Tasha, what are drugs?" speech was anvilicous even when the episode first aired. Threshold ranks up there too though.
I hate to bring it up, but the DS9 episode "Profit and lace" is also pretty damn wretched too,
the one where Quark gets a sex change. Although, for Ferengi, a sex change is little more
than plastic surgery to the ears.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 20, 2011, 06:05:43 PM
is that the one with lumba? Sure its goofy but i liked it. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RoninFox on August 20, 2011, 06:10:21 PM
As far as TOS movies go, the order for me is II, VI, III IV, V and I.  Yes, I actually prefer Final Frontier to The Motion Picture.  Cheesiness is more entertaining than blandness.

TMP is a character study of boring people and bastards.  The only character I find the least bit likable in the entire movie is McCoy.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 20, 2011, 06:14:07 PM
"Spock's Brain" Or maybe "Justice" or "Symbosis." That "Tasha, what are drugs?" speech was anvilicous even when the episode first aired. Threshold ranks up there too though.
I hate to bring it up, but the DS9 episode "Profit and lace" is also pretty damn wretched too,
the one where Quark gets a sex change. Although, for Ferengi, a sex change is little more
than plastic surgery to the ears.

oh the Pain!  You Win!

I rank the movies.
2
4
6
3
09
1
5
8
7
9
10.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 20, 2011, 06:25:37 PM
My rankings for the movies would go:
II
IV
VIII
VI
III
And the rest in the basement....
You don't like Trek 09? Why?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 20, 2011, 06:54:52 PM
My rankings for the movies would go:
II
IV
VIII
VI
III
And the rest in the basement....
You don't like Trek 09? Why?

Guess I should have qualified the list with an "abstain" on Trek 09....  Still haven't watched it, not sure if or when I ever will, F-ing with the timeline of my favorite show just pisses me off.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 20, 2011, 07:02:05 PM
Guess I should have qualified the list with an "abstain" on Trek 09....  Still haven't watched it, not sure if or when I ever will, F-ing with the timeline of my favorite show just pisses me off.
I could care less, they've done that SO many damn times in every Trek show, that there really isn't
any reason to be angry about it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 20, 2011, 07:10:32 PM
Guess I should have qualified the list with an "abstain" on Trek 09....  Still haven't watched it, not sure if or when I ever will, F-ing with the timeline of my favorite show just pisses me off.
I could care less, they've done that SO many damn times in every Trek show, that there really isn't
any reason to be angry about it.

Yeah I mean the first season fol Star Trek set in the 2160s and the second season on was set in the 2260s.  Plus it's just another time travel story and at least this one has an interesting twist for Star Trek.  Every other time travel story has revolved around the characters trying to travel back in time fix the damage that was done to the timeline,in this one the characters know that the timeline has been busted but they also know they can't fix it so they have to just try to fix things so the present is as close to being fixed as it can get with out traveling in time.  Also Nimoy is awesome in it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 20, 2011, 07:20:54 PM
Yeah I mean the first season fol Star Trek set in the 2160s and the second season on was set in the 2260s.  Plus it's just another time travel story and at least this one has an interesting twist for Star Trek.  Every other time travel story has revolved around the characters trying to travel back in time fix the damage that was done to the timeline,in this one the characters know that the timeline has been busted but they also know they can't fix it so they have to just try to fix things so the present is as close to being fixed as it can get with out traveling in time.  Also Nimoy is awesome in it.
Agreed 100% Doc. The TOS crew went back in time at least three or four times: City on the Edge
of forever, Tomorrow is Yesterday, Assignment: Earth. There's at least one other episode I am sure
I am forgetting.... hmm, does Voyage home count? ;)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RoninFox on August 20, 2011, 07:32:33 PM
As far as TOS movies go, the order for me is II, VI, III IV, V and I.  Yes, I actually prefer Final Frontier to The Motion Picture.  Cheesiness is more entertaining than blandness.

TMP is a character study of boring people and bastards.  The only character I find the least bit likable in the entire movie is McCoy.

Do you not like Kirk or Spock, then?

Yeah, I won't comment on Trek '09.  There's a whole thread dedicated to that, let's not bring it up again here.

The older I get, the less I like Trek IV. 

I don't like them in that movie, most of the time they're great characters.  They both seem like bastards in TMP.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 20, 2011, 07:53:25 PM
Guess I should have qualified the list with an "abstain" on Trek 09....  Still haven't watched it, not sure if or when I ever will, F-ing with the timeline of my favorite show just pisses me off.
I could care less, they've done that SO many damn times in every Trek show, that there really isn't
any reason to be angry about it.

So you could care less, but you choose not to? Is it that you don't feel like putting in the effort it would take to care less?

I find if you care just a tiny bit less each day, you'll eventually reach your goal of not being able to care any less.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 20, 2011, 08:28:47 PM
So you could care less, but you choose not to? Is it that you don't feel like putting in the effort it would take to care less?
I find if you care just a tiny bit less each day, you'll eventually reach your goal of not being able to care any less.
That's a bit cynical, isn't it?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 20, 2011, 09:08:03 PM
So you could care less, but you choose not to? Is it that you don't feel like putting in the effort it would take to care less?
I find if you care just a tiny bit less each day, you'll eventually reach your goal of not being able to care any less.
That's a bit cynical, isn't it?

On the contrary. I'm quite optimistic you'll someday be able to correctly and effectively express just how much you do not care about something.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 20, 2011, 09:44:15 PM
On the contrary. I'm quite optimistic you'll someday be able to correctly and effectively express just how much you do not care about something.
Harsh! :(
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 20, 2011, 11:15:38 PM
On the contrary. I'm quite optimistic you'll someday be able to correctly and effectively express just how much you do not care about something.
Harsh! :(

Sarcastic maybe, but harsh? C'mon.

Anyway, this is not having the desired effect, so...

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kooo3byKfh1qzauk4o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 21, 2011, 06:32:13 AM
Its all so clear now!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 21, 2011, 09:27:27 AM
I dont get it.  Can i have it as a pie chart instead. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on August 21, 2011, 10:12:01 AM
If you introduced some form of Anti-care neutrinos into this I believe Einstein says it is possible.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 21, 2011, 01:26:30 PM
If you introduced some form of Anti-care neutrinos into this I believe Einstein says it is possible.
I think it's best to introduce an inverse tachyon pulse to stabilize the quantum interference.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 21, 2011, 01:29:17 PM
If you introduced some form of Anti-care neutrinos into this I believe Einstein says it is possible.
I think it's best to introduce an inverse tachyon pulse to stabilize the quantum interference.

That was of course the end of every Star Trek Voyager script.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 21, 2011, 02:17:35 PM
If you introduced some form of Anti-care neutrinos into this I believe Einstein says it is possible.
I think it's best to introduce an inverse tachyon pulse to stabilize the quantum interference.

That was of course the end of every Star Trek Voyager script.
Yep... oh how I wished every episode ended with the death of Janeway... but hey, we
can dream right?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MSTJedi on August 21, 2011, 02:24:48 PM
On the contrary. I'm quite optimistic you'll someday be able to correctly and effectively express just how much you do not care about something.
Harsh! :(

Sarcastic maybe, but harsh? C'mon.

Anyway, this is not having the desired effect, so...

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kooo3byKfh1qzauk4o1_500.jpg)

Stolen, reposted.

One of my own pet peeves.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RoninFox on August 21, 2011, 05:01:41 PM
If you introduced some form of Anti-care neutrinos into this I believe Einstein says it is possible.
I think it's best to introduce an inverse tachyon pulse to stabilize the quantum interference.

That was of course the end of every Star Trek Voyager script.
Yep... oh how I wished every episode ended with the death of Janeway... but hey, we
can dream right?

Wasn't there a whole season worth of "tune in this week because a major character is going to die" episodes?  I remember a ton of those ads, and clustered close together. Of course it was always a time travel duplicate or from an alternate dimension, or the one time the whole Voyager blew up except for Harry Kim who ends up on an Alternate Voyager where Harry Kim had died. Or was that Tom?  Mainly I remember the anger at the cop out.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 21, 2011, 05:08:39 PM
If you introduced some form of Anti-care neutrinos into this I believe Einstein says it is possible.
I think it's best to introduce an inverse tachyon pulse to stabilize the quantum interference.

That was of course the end of every Star Trek Voyager script.
Yep... oh how I wished every episode ended with the death of Janeway... but hey, we
can dream right?

Wasn't there a whole season worth of "tune in this week because a major character is going to die" episodes?  I remember a ton of those ads, and clustered close together. Of course it was always a time travel duplicate or from an alternate dimension, or the one time the whole Voyager blew up except for Harry Kim who ends up on an Alternate Voyager where Harry Kim had died. Or was that Tom?  Mainly I remember the anger at the cop out.

Yeah there was that was about the point I got fed up with Voyager and Star trek in general.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 21, 2011, 05:14:27 PM
As long as we are ragging on Voyager I got a question, What was with the movable nacells?  It makes sense on a jet, but in the vacume of space its pretty silly. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 21, 2011, 05:22:41 PM
As long as we are ragging on Voyager I got a question, What was with the movable nacells?  It makes sense on a jet, but in the vacume of space its pretty silly. 

Because it looked cool?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 21, 2011, 05:24:59 PM
As long as we are ragging on Voyager I got a question, What was with the movable nacells?  It makes sense on a jet, but in the vacume of space its pretty silly. 

Because it looked cool?

I think Voyager was a pretty ugly ship,also it seemed to make it take longer for them to get to warp.  Also it seems to me that the moving parts on them were just one more thing that would break down all the time in real life.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 21, 2011, 05:29:44 PM
It was just a gimmick.  In universe it was supposed to give them better warp field geometry, but it doesn't really make sense that they need to move into position every time instead of just staying there like every other Federation starship.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 21, 2011, 05:30:53 PM
As long as we are ragging on Voyager I got a question, What was with the movable nacells?  It makes sense on a jet, but in the vacume of space its pretty silly. 

I believe the official tech explanation for the movable nacelles was to crate a different type of warp field that would not damage subspace like in that one episode of TNG where they started with the Warp 5 Speed Limit.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 21, 2011, 05:31:30 PM
Pretty lame reason if u ask me. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 21, 2011, 05:34:02 PM
For all the things wrong with Voyager, I loved the ship design.  Probably one of my favorite ship designs in the franchise.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 21, 2011, 05:35:20 PM
Give me the armadillo known as the defiant any day.  
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 21, 2011, 05:37:12 PM
tough little ship
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 21, 2011, 05:37:44 PM
Give me the armadillo known as the defiant any day.  

I'm talking pure aesthetics.  The defiant was an awesome ship, but it (pretty much intentionally) was ugly.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 21, 2011, 05:38:03 PM
tough little ship

Little?!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 21, 2011, 05:39:43 PM
I'll take the TMP Constitution class for beauty.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 21, 2011, 05:40:11 PM
I like the way the defiant looked. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 21, 2011, 05:42:41 PM
I like the Enterprise used in the first six movies followed by the Galaxy class Enterprise D.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 21, 2011, 05:43:23 PM
I'll take the TMP Constitution class for beauty.

It was a great looking ship.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on August 21, 2011, 05:47:38 PM
I hate the Ent-D design.  Looks like a clam with tyrannosaur arms.

Yeah D the Galaxy Class was not a very good design compared to the rest.

I did however LOVE the Nebula Class

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110427191557/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/c/c2/USS_Farragut%2C_Generations.jpg/640px-USS_Farragut%2C_Generations.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 21, 2011, 05:49:50 PM
Well it was the Enterprise that I grew up watching and I think it gave off a sense of size better then any of the other ships.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 21, 2011, 05:51:14 PM
I like the Galaxy and Nebula.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 21, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
For me, it's the movie era original Enterprise followed by the Enterprise E.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on August 21, 2011, 06:39:06 PM
I prefer the artery-clogging class.

(http://walyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/star-trek-starship-enterprise-meat-sculpture.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 21, 2011, 07:27:56 PM
I prefer the artery-clogging class.
(http://walyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/star-trek-starship-enterprise-meat-sculpture.jpg)
Ship coming in sir, and it looks delicious!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on August 21, 2011, 07:36:21 PM
As long as we are ragging on Voyager I got a question, What was with the movable nacells?  It makes sense on a jet, but in the vacume of space its pretty silly. 

The nacelles were also part of the whole "Voyager can land" thing too. Example-

(http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/treknology/voyager-landing.jpg)

Nacelles in the "down" position there.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 21, 2011, 07:47:44 PM
oops
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: goflyblind on August 22, 2011, 06:14:25 AM
I did however LOVE the Nebula Class

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110427191557/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/c/c2/USS_Farragut%2C_Generations.jpg/640px-USS_Farragut%2C_Generations.jpg)

+1
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 22, 2011, 07:18:57 AM
The science variant, U.S.S. Phoenix from "The Wounded"

(http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/0/09/USS_Phoenix.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Henry88 on August 22, 2011, 09:01:16 PM
and for big and ugly......... the Scimitar

(http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/9/94/Scimitar_Predator.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 22, 2011, 09:10:31 PM
The Defiant class badass development patch!

(http://www.ioffer.com/img/item/170/959/238/VRir.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 22, 2011, 10:34:50 PM
I think your missing the point imrahil.  That is a GREAT military patch/star trek nerd paraphernalia.  Looks almost like something youd see on a real uniform.  quite cool. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 22, 2011, 10:52:12 PM
I want a obsidian order patch for my desk ya know for the irony
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 23, 2011, 09:19:30 AM
I thought it was because of your fondness for creative interrogation methods
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 23, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
Either one really :) 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 23, 2011, 01:55:13 PM
I just watched the last few episodes of DS9 last night. The last 10 or so episodes comprise
the final story arc for the series, and while they're not the best episodes, overall they have some
very good drama and very compelling story lines. You've got the Breen joining the Dominion,
The destruction of the Defiant, the Breen attacking Earth, Gowron finally
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Gul Dukat getting facial reconstruction and trying to release the Pah-Wraiths, the morphogenic
virus, and Damar forming his resistance movement with the help of Garak and Kira.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 23, 2011, 02:04:15 PM
The one thing i always loved about Garak is his patriotism.  He was so willing to help cardassia especially in the end.  I admire that. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 23, 2011, 02:10:16 PM
Yeah, even though Dukat had his ass exiled.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 23, 2011, 03:28:35 PM
Yeah, even though Dukat had his ass exiled.
Gotta wonder what would have been if Garak had shot Dukat and killed him in "The Way of the
Warrior"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 23, 2011, 03:37:00 PM
Who knows, Garak was a mystery wrapped in an enigma.  Maybe he would have taken over the Cardassian government himself!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 23, 2011, 04:03:57 PM
Maybe but we sure would not have had PAH wraiths.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 23, 2011, 08:41:08 PM
Garak was a mystery wrapped in an enigma. 
Wasn't that a Simpsons quote originally said by Lisa about Nelson?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 23, 2011, 08:58:21 PM
An enigma wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a vest
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on August 23, 2011, 09:23:14 PM
An enigma wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a vest
Meh, close enough. That reminds me of another joke... remember that guy with the greatest name ever?
His name was Oliver Closeoff.

Wait... correction. The guy with the greatest name ever was MAX POWER... he got the name off a hair dryer!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 25, 2011, 11:35:44 AM
Just finishing season 5 of TNG. The episode plot-lines became much more established and tight by this point.... A lot less spare time spent on trivial bits, and much more packed scenes.  I am sure this is common on TV shows though, where the writing staff learns how to properly make use of the time allotted.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 25, 2011, 11:55:37 AM
"Suddenly Human" was in season 4.  Also a good season though.  As a kid, coming off of Best of Both Worlds part 2, I used to think the episode "Family" was so boring.  Now that I am older now and can understand what the episode is really about, it is a great episode.  Also the only epidsode not to show the bridge.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 25, 2011, 01:06:36 PM
"Suddenly Human" was in season 4. 

Was that the one where Troi loses her powers because of the two-dimensional aliens?  I thought that one was stupid.  Okay, the aliens exist on two dimensions, but the Enterprise exists on three dimensions, as does space!  So why couldn't it have flown up or down to get out of the swarm?  And Troi's subplot would have been better if she hadn't gotten her powers back by the end of the episode.  Think how much more interesting she would have been if her powers hadn't returned until the following season, if not later.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 25, 2011, 01:18:58 PM
"Suddenly Human" is about a human boy who was raised by aliens as one of their own after an attack on a Federation settlement years ago.  Picard finds out he still has human family back on Earth and he has to decide what to do with the boy.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 25, 2011, 03:51:03 PM
"Suddenly Human" is about a human boy who was raised by aliens as one of their own after an attack on a Federation settlement years ago.  Picard finds out he still has human family back on Earth and he has to decide what to do with the boy.

They practically hold him against his will for a bit there too, trying to force humanity on him.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on August 25, 2011, 05:17:07 PM
"Suddenly Human" is about a human boy who was raised by aliens as one of their own after an attack on a Federation settlement years ago.  Picard finds out he still has human family back on Earth and he has to decide what to do with the boy.

Oh.  That is a good one.  But my point about the Troi episode still stands.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on August 25, 2011, 05:24:39 PM
They practically hold him against his will for a bit there too, trying to force humanity on him.

Indeed.

"Suddenly Human" was in season 4.

Was that the one where Troi loses her powers because of the two-dimensional aliens?  I thought that one was stupid.  Okay, the aliens exist on two dimensions, but the Enterprise exists on three dimensions, as does space!  So why couldn't it have flown up or down to get out of the swarm?  And Troi's subplot would have been better if she hadn't gotten her powers back by the end of the episode.  Think how much more interesting she would have been if her powers hadn't returned until the following season, if not later.


I agree, but that was something TNG had going against it.  Most of the shows were totally self contained and didn't really build off one another.  Its good to bring in new viewers and its good for syndication, but it can make ideas like these almost impossible.  Also, I havent seen the episode in a while, but I think there were problems escaping because the little aliens were jammed up to tightly against the ship or something.  I don't remember.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on August 25, 2011, 07:28:45 PM
Good News Everyone!

The list o crap will be done shortly and I will have Netflix access in Mexico! My contributions to this thread shall recommence! (It is, all about me after all ;) )
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 25, 2011, 07:38:47 PM
You got boobs, so yes it is.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 26, 2011, 11:17:35 AM
You got boobs, so yes it is.

+1
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 02, 2011, 06:36:16 PM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK I miss Star Tek! Should I just skip season 2 and watch season 3?


I have season 3 on dvd here in Mexico and I cannot watch season 2 because Netflic (the commies) won't stream in Mexico


what to do, what to do
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 02, 2011, 06:41:09 PM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK I miss Star Tek! Should I just skip season 2 and watch season 3?


I have season 3 on dvd here in Mexico and I cannot watch season 2 because Netflic (the commies) won't stream in Mexico


what to do, what to do

How about just buying it there? Assuming you could find it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 02, 2011, 06:45:31 PM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK I miss Star Tek! Should I just skip season 2 and watch season 3?


I have season 3 on dvd here in Mexico and I cannot watch season 2 because Netflic (the commies) won't stream in Mexico


what to do, what to do

How about just buying it there? Assuming you could find it.


It is possible I can find it I suppose but that does not help me now, as I sit here drunk in the hotel
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 02, 2011, 06:49:47 PM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK I miss Star Tek! Should I just skip season 2 and watch season 3?


I have season 3 on dvd here in Mexico and I cannot watch season 2 because Netflic (the commies) won't stream in Mexico


what to do, what to do

How about just buying it there? Assuming you could find it.


It is possible I can find it I suppose but that does not help me now, as I sit here drunk in the hotel

El Torrente?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on September 02, 2011, 11:13:43 PM

El Torrente?

She's in a hotel. It's likely that they have a cap on bandwidth that would make torrenting nonviable.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 03, 2011, 04:13:37 AM
If you do try to watch season three get ready for DDDDDDEEEEEPPPP Hurrrrrttttiiiinnnngggg.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 08, 2011, 01:27:05 PM
Today (9/8/11) is the 45th anniversary of Trek's premiere.

Happy Birthday, Star Trek!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fl85mDcDfk0/TaG5ebBDtDI/AAAAAAAAMEE/Ea0B-z_-r4Q/s1600/trek%2Byourself.JPG)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 08, 2011, 01:41:53 PM
awesome cake
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on September 08, 2011, 05:22:30 PM
awesome cake
Mmm the Bridge has never looked so delicious.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 08, 2011, 05:56:29 PM
I'm glad people still think of that as the bridge of the Enterprise, instead of that apple store abomination from the last movie.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 08, 2011, 05:57:49 PM
Im sorry but i dont think of a cake when i think of the bridge
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 08, 2011, 06:09:45 PM
yeah, unfortunately indeed.  Although I'm going to refrain from turning this thread into a NuStar Trek hate thread.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 08, 2011, 06:25:50 PM
can we just hate on the term nustar trek?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 08, 2011, 06:55:44 PM
How about Star Wars Episode 7:  Star Trek
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 08, 2011, 07:31:42 PM
How about Star Wars Episode 7:  Star Trek

I prefer Light Scattered in Lens Systems through Generally Unwanted Image Formation Mechanisms
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 08, 2011, 07:35:29 PM
Oh great...It's Kirk Vs.Picard all over again.

I HATE TOM SERVO'S NEW VOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 08, 2011, 08:00:45 PM
Who said anything about Picard?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on September 09, 2011, 07:34:18 AM
Who said anything about Picard?

Well who else can you put Kirk up against?  If you do Kirk vs. Sisko it's over as soon as someone mentions that Sisko can save his son from the Klingons.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on September 10, 2011, 06:46:35 PM
How about Star Wars Episode 7:  Star Trek
As opposed to the Star Wars prequels, Star Trek 09 had one big thing going for it, it was
ambitious to tell a tale that hadn't been told in any of the other trek series. And this new
series allows for a whole new set of stories for the crew who among all the trek series
had the best chemistry(with the possible exception of DS9). Trek 09 gets a very unfair bad rap
as far as I am concerned. if you'll look on Rotten Tomatoes, it has even better ratings than
The Dark Knight! I mean come on people, it's not a Star Wars prequel so chill out. It's
actually what the Star Wars prequels should have been.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 10, 2011, 07:34:37 PM
No, it has exactly the rep it should have.  There's a lot of stuff wrong with it that's not Star Trek.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 10, 2011, 07:47:43 PM
What rep does it have exactly?  All i know is that its a generally positive rep. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 10, 2011, 08:01:47 PM
I want to go home and watch Star Trek
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 10, 2011, 08:20:40 PM
No, it has exactly the rep it should have.  There's a lot of stuff wrong with it that's not Star Trek.

And Wrath of Khan was not exactly like the Star Trek that came before it,same goes for TNG and DS9 so I am not sure what you are getting at. Reusing the same scripts over and over again because they "were Star Trek" is what killed the franchise in the first place. In many ways Star Trek is in the same spirit as Wrath of Khan in that it brought the franchise into the modern world at a time when it was stuck in the past. Once you start saying that certain things can't be Star Trek that puts limits on the franchise that drive creative people away and you end up with the same 12 scripts being reused for ten years straight.  I would rather take a chance and let creative people make a few changes then just stick in the past because of a narrow view of what is and is not Star Trek.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 10, 2011, 08:23:48 PM
What does anais think of the new star trek movie?  You should be able to see that in mexico. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 10, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
heh you seem to be in the minority man. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 10, 2011, 08:32:25 PM
In fact, Doc, I think the Star Trek movies thread (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22542.msg652851#new) is yours.

Maybe you'd all like to post in that one?  

Yes I know but you are the one who brought up Star Trek in this thread and you were fine with it being talked about until I disagreed with you about it.  If anyone is to blame for Star trek being talked about it's you not me,so don't get all high and mighty and act like you are just trying to stop the thread from being hijacked. You are just trying to take away anyone who disagrees with you's right to talk.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on September 10, 2011, 08:50:35 PM
I personally resent anyone telling me what Star Trek ought to be. I've been a Star Trek fan all my life, I've bought the
movies, bought the TV shows. What Star Trek is isn't nearly as important as how strong the characters are and the
amount of ambition within the story. You want Star Trek without violence or conflict? It's very hard to write good drama
without conflict(I KNOW I have said that before!). But my point is that Gene Roddenberry was an idea man, he could
come up with good ideas, but his writing sucked. If you don't believe me, research his early drafts for "The God Thing"
(Which became TMP) and his ideas for Star Trek III and the rest of the movies, which mostly had to do with Spock
going back in time and killing JFK. If you all will also recall, he had very strong reservations against many of the things
seen in Star Trek VI. Technically, you could argue THAT movie wasn't star trek either! It was basically the Manchurian
candidate in space!

I guess I could try to be very reasonable all day long, but no matter how much I try, I'm not going to convince anyone.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 10, 2011, 08:53:10 PM
As much as i want to keep talking about the movie (specifically i want anais opinion of it) anyone here ever do the paper and pencil star trek Role playing game?  And if so how fun was it?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 10, 2011, 08:54:42 PM
Its not the action.  It's the fact that it's a shitty written movie with terrible sets that doesn't do the characters justice.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 10, 2011, 08:55:35 PM
Its not the action.  It's the fact that it's a shitty written movie with terrible sets that doesn't do the characters justice.

So you, like, want to see them on trial or something?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on September 10, 2011, 08:59:33 PM
Its not the action.  It's the fact that it's a shitty written movie with terrible sets that doesn't do the characters justice.
Sideswipe, the sets at Desilu Studios were very cheap. I hope you'll agree what's more
important is that the characters could perform anywhere, on any sets and they don't take
away from the characters at all. When I watch a movie, I focus on the characters, their
performances and their role in the (ongoing) story, the sets are just tertiary to me, perhaps
even quaternary in importance.

Honestly, the story is pretty good, it is ambitious, fun, thought-provoking and even very intelligent
on some level. I just don't understand how that amounts to shitty.

Oh well, there are probably still a lot of people who were pissed at the very idea that Kirk could
cheat when he admitted it in TWOK. Well, if you're going to put it on the level of TWOK, that's fine
with me.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 10, 2011, 09:02:15 PM
Its not the action.  It's the fact that it's a shitty written movie with terrible sets that doesn't do the characters justice.

Did you even watch the TV show?  I lost count of the number of times someone was killed by a paper rock,if sets are the most important thing to you how can you even be a fan of Star Trek?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 10, 2011, 09:03:05 PM
Yeah, that's why I mentioned the writing first.  Although the Desilu sets were cheap because they didn't have the money.  Abrams doesn't have that excuse.  The Enterprise is just as much a character as Kirk/Spock/Bones.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 10, 2011, 09:03:49 PM
Yeah, that's why I mentioned the writing first.  Although the Desilu sets were cheap because they didn't have the money.  Abrams doesn't have that excuse.  The Enterprise is just as much a character as Kirk/Spock/Bones.

Yeah the ship always had the best lines.  :)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on September 10, 2011, 09:04:24 PM
Yeah, that's why I mentioned the writing first.  Although the Desilu sets were cheap because they didn't have the money.  Abrams doesn't have that excuse.
The Enterprise bridge looks anything but cheap.

Seriously, shut the fuck up.
Who, me?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 10, 2011, 09:07:54 PM
Yeah, that's why I mentioned the writing first.  Although the Desilu sets were cheap because they didn't have the money.  Abrams doesn't have that excuse.  The Enterprise is just as much a character as Kirk/Spock/Bones.

So you wanted them to use the same the same 40 year old cardboard techicolour set they used in the 1960s?  You do know none of the other movies used the same sets from the Tv show don't you?

Seriously, shut the fuck up.

Again you brought up the movie and you didn't complain about anyone who agrees with you talking about it.  If I broke forum rule please report me.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on September 10, 2011, 09:08:41 PM
Seriously, shut the fuck up.
Again you brought up the movie and you didn't complain about anyone who agrees with you talking about it.  If I broke forum rule please report me.
I think he was probably talking to me Doc.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 10, 2011, 09:10:52 PM
[So you wanted them to use the same the same 40 year old cardboard techicolour set they used in the 1960s?  You do know none of the other movies used the same sets from the Tv show don't you?



What the hell made you think that?  Don't be a moron
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 10, 2011, 09:11:55 PM
Seriously, shut the fuck up.
Again you brought up the movie and you didn't complain about anyone who agrees with you talking about it.  If I broke forum rule please report me.
I think he was probably talking to me Doc.

Probably all of us actually.  

I still dont think it was all that bad. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 10, 2011, 09:18:11 PM
Nah, everyone.

Anyone else notice how Doc really really likes to appeal to the minutiae of rules whenever something seems to not go his way?  Well, how about the rule of "you already started a topic on this thread so should use that one"?

Maybe we could talk about 9/11 too, that'd be awesome.  Also, religion.

uh the topic of this thread is anais judes star trek odyssey.  If we follow the topic closely ONLY she would be allowed to post.  And that is silly.  we are talking about star trek related stuff so we are pretty on topic.  And the only reason we are talking about this is because anais cant post yet and we are all treading water till she does. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 10, 2011, 09:20:54 PM
Nah, everyone.

Anyone else notice how Doc really really likes to appeal to the minutiae of rules whenever something seems to not go his way?  Well, how about the rule of "you already started a topic on this thread so should use that one"?

Maybe we could talk about 9/11 too, that'd be awesome.  Also, religion.

Again you are the one who brought up the movie in this thread and you had nothing to say to those who agreed with you about it.  This is not another example of you trying to bully anyone who disagrees with you.  Tell you what I will remove my posts about the movie if you remove yours. You acting all high and mighty when you created the problem you are now blaming others for.  Start living by the rules you try to force on everyone else.


[So you wanted them to use the same the same 40 year old cardboard techicolour set they used in the 1960s?  You do know none of the other movies used the same sets from the Tv show don't you?



What the hell made you think that?  Don't be a moron

Maybe the fact that you complained about the set not being the same? But that is just a guess on my part.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 10, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
3.14?   Actually where you are it is 9/11 huh
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 10, 2011, 09:25:30 PM
try going back and actually reading what I wrote.  I said they were terrible, not that they weren't the same.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 10, 2011, 09:26:54 PM
Nah, everyone.

Anyone else notice how Doc really really likes to appeal to the minutiae of rules whenever something seems to not go his way?  Well, how about the rule of "you already started a topic on this thread so should use that one"?

Maybe we could talk about 9/11 too, that'd be awesome.  Also, religion.

Again you are the one who brought up the movie in this thread and you had nothing to say to those who agreed with you about it.  This is not another example of you trying to bully anyone who disagrees with you.  Tell you what I will remove my posts about the movie if you remove yours. You acting all high and mighty when you created the problem you are now blaming others for.  Start living by the rules you try to force on everyone else.


[So you wanted them to use the same the same 40 year old cardboard techicolour set they used in the 1960s?  You do know none of the other movies used the same sets from the Tv show don't you?



What the hell made you think that?  Don't be a moron

Maybe the fact that you complained about the set not being the same? But that is just a guess on my part.

9/11!

Again you refuse to live by the rules you set for others.

If myself and others have broken forum rules please report us to the mods,that is what they are for. No more personal attacks and hijacks.

I am just going to ignore you from now on in this thread since you have decided to act like a 4 year old.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on September 10, 2011, 09:27:02 PM
I don't understand where you're coming from Imrahil. Then again, I don't think there's any
point in my exploring why,  you and I haven't ever really gotten along very well in the first
place.

Anyways Anais if you'd give us your op of Trek '09 we'd love to hear it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 10, 2011, 10:38:28 PM
Why do all star trek threads devolve into this shit.  Once again I wish there was an "unsubscribe" button for threads on this board like there are on many others.

Maybe Anais should lock this thread for a while...
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 10, 2011, 10:40:19 PM
and we can lock every other thread that has a debate too.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 10, 2011, 10:42:01 PM
Or someone could find a more interesting topic.  Apparently the divisive nature of the movie is interesting enough to talk about. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on September 10, 2011, 10:45:42 PM
Or someone could find a more interesting topic.  Apparently the divisive nature of the movie is interesting enough to talk about. 
We are talking about Star Trek?

Anyways, on another topic(If it makes you happy) SF Debris just posted his review of one of my favorite
DS9 episodes "In Purgatory's Shadow".
http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/ds9-in-purgatory-s-shadow-review-5539940
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 10, 2011, 11:06:20 PM
eeewww garak and bashir slash  :speechless:
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on September 10, 2011, 11:14:47 PM
eeewww garak and bashir slash  :speechless:
Ever since the unfortunate invention of rule 34, anything is fair game,
so very little shocks me anymore.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 10, 2011, 11:25:11 PM
and we can lock every other thread that has a debate too.
People telling each other to shut up is not really a debate....  ;D  Sad really that what the network talking heads and politicians do on TV are called debates, when they are far from it.  

Star Trek threads seem to devolve into name calling as easily as religious or political threads, so locking it for a day might let people cool off.  So few remember the old usenet flame wars....

Assuming the thread starter can unlock a thread they locked, I've never tried locking one before so just assumed it was possible to unlock.

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 10, 2011, 11:50:02 PM
yeah thats it.  Stop everyone's discussion because of one person.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 11, 2011, 06:46:15 AM
Last time I go to sleep for 8 hours.....


Netflix! You're lack of Instant Watching in Mexico is tearing me APART!!!


Anywhoo, guys, this is a thread of love. I will lock the thread until I watch another episode if this keeps up, but why do we even have to get into it?

Imrahil, I can completely understand that you don't want to hear about the Star Trek movie. I have skipped many many posts in this thread, like all the debates about DS9. Those kind of irritate me a lot because once I watch DS9, I will have to read this thread in it's entirety so I can finally comment on a post that occurred, what, probably 6 months before I even get to that episode. Now me, I will just be cool and deal. Not only do I understand that it would annoy you, but I remember the previous Star Trek thread....lives were lost, time was wasted, Hitler was brought up (I have no proof of this, but it is the internet afterall). I understand your opinion, however, I will make my comment on the Star Trek movie because too people asked for it. We are buds, but if we want to talk about the movie, c'est la vie.

Doc, I have no idea what have of your posts are about when you get hurt and angry (you kind of lose your ability to articulate) but I do notice there is a tendancy to get very defenisive and relate what is happening in this thread to others. No one is trying to tell you what to do. You are a human being and an American, and although Imrahil may want you to stop doing something, you have the personal right and choice to just ignore him and keep doing what your doing. The mods won't ban you for ignoring someone when they tell you to stop. I know you think you have to defend yourself, but personally, I don't think you do. Just keep posting. If no one responds to you, take that as "well nobody wants to talk about that" and move on. Let the amount of responses to your discussion dictate what you will post next, not another forum member telling you not to. And please please PLEASE don't get defensive. I doubt Imrahil let this thread ruin his whole night.

Gunflyer, Sarc, adn Sideswipe: I love all the comments you bring to the thread. If you want my opinion on Star Trek The Movie stay tuned for the next post.

Seriously people...LOVE
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on September 11, 2011, 06:49:42 AM
Yikes, what happened to this thread?


So...

Star Trek...


Pretty awesome, right?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 11, 2011, 06:56:43 AM
Star Trek 2009

I really enjoyed it. Now, when my Odyssey is done, that will be the last thing I watch, hopefully to get the same perspective as some of the others. It's interesting that that film is TEARING US APART (I love that phrase). I might actually re-read the original Star Trek movie thread too. I enjoyed the film for a couple of reasons:
1) I thought the story was good and interesting. Alternate timelines and realities can make for some pretty interesting character development. Even earlier in this thread I made a comment about Shatner's Kirk taking his step dads car and driving it off a cliff and Imrahil reminded me that was Alternate Kirk. So now, when I watch TOS, I want to know more about Kirk's family. I do remember when they mentioned his brother and the effect his death had on him that Kirk 2.0 won't have that kind of family bond with anyone. Perhaps that is even why Kirk 2.0 had a harder time befreinding Spock....anyway, the movie did play up some awesome things and, if they keep on developing the characters, I think the next movies will continue to be good

2) I LOVED all the references. Now I did not get all of them and had to be told some (like about Admiral Archer's dog), but the movie does reward fans of the original series. Because of that, I feel that the movie did make a conscience effort to include the old fans as well as make new ones.

Lens Flare is kind of dumb, I don't think J J is as great a director as many people make him out to be, but at least the movie wasn't directed by Michael Bay (shudder).


I am not a huge fan of new Uhura, but I love the casting for every other character, especially SCOTTY! Seriously, much love to James Doohan, but Simon Pegg is the MAN! Also, Chris Pine is SUPER HOT!

So, as of this date. I like the movie. Now, I will make sure to watch Season 3 episode 1 today so we can all move on with our lives
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 11, 2011, 09:39:16 AM
So, as of this date. I like the movie. Now, I will make sure to watch Season 3 episode 1 today so we can all move on with our lives

I hope you've read the warnings, jumping from season 1 to season 3 might be a bit of a shock to the system  :o .  But then again when you go back and start season 2 it will seem even more awesome if you get season 3 out of the way now. ;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 11, 2011, 09:58:10 AM
Except that it won't play on my laptop....WHY HATH THOU FORSAKEN ME!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 16, 2011, 06:43:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/7ZWaWrvJ7nA?version=3&hl=en_US
Title: Re: (Days left until I can continue) Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 16, 2011, 07:29:57 PM
THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME!!!



I am going to come in here everyday and let you know how many days until I can watch Star Trek again



7 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 17, 2011, 05:32:02 PM
Ok lol that video was great man.  Absolutely awesome.  HA! 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on September 17, 2011, 05:50:27 PM
Except that it won't play on my laptop....WHY HATH THOU FORSAKEN ME!?!?!?!?!

...

A? What did you do to my discs?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 17, 2011, 06:56:34 PM
I did nothing to your discs, darlin, no worries. For some reason I cannot get them to play on my darn laptop :(


Anyway

6 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 18, 2011, 04:57:51 AM
Just another word of warning about season 3,it's so bad Nimoy and his agent were preparing to fight to get him out of his five year contract if the series went to a fourth season.  That's how bad it was,Nimoy was willing to lose two years of work just so he wouldn't have to be in any more episodes.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 18, 2011, 05:59:59 AM
Well in >6 days I will be at home watching Season 2. What really sucks about this is that I have had to wait AN ENTIRE MONTH to watch Amok Time :(
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 18, 2011, 10:16:36 AM
the problem was that in season 3 they had their budget cut in half and lost a day of production.  The network really wanted to kill the show.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 18, 2011, 10:42:29 AM
the problem was that in season 3 they had their budget cut in half and lost a day of production.  The network really wanted to kill the show.
One thing I found interesting about reading the memos from the time that were in "Inside Star Trek the real story" was just how untrue that idea kind of was. NBC saw Star Trek as a great way to show off colour TVs at a time when America was just starting to switch from b&w TVs.  A few things happened that caused what happened in the third season and it wasn't all on NBC. 1)Roddenberry seems to have gotten really hard to work with. His skirt chasing was starting to cause trouble on set and he wasn't getting on well with the writers because he would do anything to make a buck off of Star Trek including rewrite scripts to showcase cheap stuff he was trying to sell in a catalog. 2)Desilue had been losing money for years and they had two shows that went over budget it each week,Mission Impossible and Star Trek. One show was a ratings hit the other was not a disaster but it's ratings had never been great and it wasn't gaining any viewers,when Paramount bought Desilue you can guess witch show they decided they were going to keep producing. On top of this NBC wanted to give Star trek a good slot for year 3(they seem to have thought that the show was going to take off in the ratings if they did)so they moved the show once again to their best time slot. Or at least they tried,for a one hour show to go in that time slot Laugh In would have to start a half hour later and it seems the producers of Laugh In didn't want to do it and they had a contract that stated the show could not be moved with out their okay.  By the time that all got sorted out the only time slot NBC had left was the 10 PM Friday death slot.  Add to this Paramount cutting the budget(while still charging NBC the same amount of money per episode) in order to cover the cost of Mission Impossible and three producers leaving(one because he saw the show was dead and was offered other work two others becaus they have been working 12-20 hour days for two years and were completely burned out)and you have situation where I don't think you can lay all the blame on NBC's door.

In fact I think they should get a little of the credit for Star Trek,after all they took a show everyone else turned down and supported it for two years of rating indifference and responded when the fan base wrote in and gave the show a third year and even tried to make it a hit when they started out. You only have to look at the history of TV to see how rare it is that a show like Star Trek is given a chance. Was NBC perfect? No. But I think that gave it more of a chance then anyone else would have and they were not the out and out monster who were trying to destroy Star Trek that Roddenberry and some fans have painted them as.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 18, 2011, 11:51:36 AM
Since the page flipped I'm sure my comment got lost, but there are tons of good S3 episodes, Doc's hyperbole aside.

I'd say about half the eps in season three are still good to great: The Tholian Web, The Savage Curtain, All Our Yesterdays, The Cloud Minders, Spectre of the Gun, Wink of an Eye, Whom Gods Destroy, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, and Requiem for Methuselah, Day of the Dove, For the World is Hollow... are all good.   And the Children Shall Lead, The Way to Eden, Elaan of Troyius, and the Lights of Zetar are the ones I don't really enjoy much.  Even Spock's Brain has its fun side.



What Hyperbole.  Nimoy told his agent he wanted out of his contract if the show got a fourth season and in I am Spock he says the reason was the scripts he got in season 3.  That is all I said.

Oh and another reason for budget problems in season three was that both Shatner and Nimoy got raises so part of it is on them for demanding more money then the show could afford.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 18, 2011, 12:04:43 PM
Who gives a shit? I'm talking about the actual product that we see on screen, and you're talking about budgets and office politics.

I am just trying to put in context what happens and I would ask you what make you think anyone gives a shit what you have to say?  At least I am adding some interesting behind the scenes fact to the thread.  All you have don is list a half dozen episodes you think are good with out saying why you think they are good.  You attacked me,I was minding my own business and you just attacked me out of nowhere. You need to get over this idea you seem to have that no one should be allowed to post with out running by you first.  You are are not a mod and I don't need your okay to post here. Now stop making personal attacks. If you think I have gone off topic report me to the mods,if I have not done anything that can be reported you had no reason to attack me in the first place.

Oh and All our Yesterdays and Let this be your last battlefield are two bad episodes IMO. Oh and I have just as much right to say that has you have to say that are good.

Okay this is the 100th thread you have turned into a flame war with personal attack on me.  Since this forum does not have an ignore button and you can not keep yourself from making a personal attack that derails a thread no matter what or where I post from now on I will only post in threads that I start and if you stay out of those threads you will not have to see any of my worthless stupid posts that send you in to such an uncontrolled blind rage. Does that sound good to you?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 18, 2011, 12:13:24 PM
I will take it we have a deal since you have completely twisted what I said again for the sake of a personal attack,when my only crime is not thinking Star trek is as good as you do.

Word of warning if I ever catch you in a thread that I started I will report you to the mods since the only reason you would be there would be to start a flame war.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on September 18, 2011, 12:52:19 PM
If I ever catch you two making love in my garden I will report you to the mods!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 18, 2011, 03:31:11 PM
 :gouge: :gouge:
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 18, 2011, 03:56:43 PM
For fuck's sake you two!

I find Doc's comments interesting, but I was disheartened with the complete dis on Season 3; therefore I am happy that Imrahil came in and mentioned that he likes some of the those episiodes. The WHOLE POINT of this thread is to see what EVERYONE says so I can make my decision. I want to read what both of you have to say, so there  :P
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 18, 2011, 04:37:37 PM
My list of the good ones from season 3:

The Enterprise Incident
Is There in Truth No Beauty
Spectre of the Gun
The Tholian Web
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
The Cloud Minders
The Savage Curtain
All Our Yesterdays

Average ones:

For the World Is Hollow....
Wink of an eye
Elaan of Troyius
Whom Gods Destroy
Requiem for Methuselah

So I guess I agree about half the season was average to good.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on September 18, 2011, 05:32:28 PM
This Star Trek thread sucks....everyone go here:  Dork:30 (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22702.0)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on September 18, 2011, 05:41:08 PM
This Star Trek thread sucks....everyone go here:  Dork:30 (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22702.0)
Doc's thread sux! Stay here :P
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 18, 2011, 06:09:10 PM
All the threads suck and everyone should go somewhere else
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 18, 2011, 06:23:05 PM
And besides, how many times has he proclaimed that he's going to stop posting in any thread he didn't start himself? For chrissakes, remember the "I'm gonna cancel my account" incident? How'd that work out?

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 18, 2011, 06:47:00 PM
All the threads suck and everyone should go somewhere else

To be clear, I guess I should admit that I don't hate all the behind-the-scenes stuff, but it's really the last thing someone who's watching the show for the first time should focus on or give a shit about.  Watch it for the stories and enjoyment of it.  If you want to learn about the silliness that goes on behind the scenes later, after you've had a chance to digest the show for what it is, that seems like a better time to do it.

Mostly I hated that someone (I won't say who) seemed intent only on saying how shitty season 3 was going to be, and I thought that was unfair to the show itself.

Fair Enough. I have been skipping plenty of posts, so I, personally, do not mind. Nothing will stop my enjoyment of the show..WHICH I FINALLY GET TO WATCH IN

5 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on September 18, 2011, 06:51:44 PM
Not enough crazy in this thread.   >:(
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 18, 2011, 06:55:52 PM
And besides, how many times has he proclaimed that he's going to stop posting in any thread he didn't start himself? For chrissakes, remember the "I'm gonna cancel my account" incident? How'd that work out?

I'm not sure I do; refresh my memory?

Here (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=11562.msg636820#msg636820).
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 23, 2011, 06:17:31 AM
1 more day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 25, 2011, 05:41:18 PM
Amok Time

Another amazing episode. Here the writers took the mysterious ways of exotic cultures and apply some of the descriptions of those ancient and rarely scene rituals to the star trek universe. I am currently reading the hero with a thousand faces and the author mentions how stories are just metaphors for our reality. I love how Star Trek handles the issue because it makes the vulcans human instead of monsters. For example, the Vulcans are physically forced to follow through with this ritual and the ritual was tied into their minds. It’s a metaphorical way to explain why people in other cultures are so connected to their rituals. Great and amazing music in this episode too.

Also, I love how Chekov and Sulu and like random comic relief. LOL

Who Mourns for Adonis?

I love how this episode takes the classical stories of the Gods from earth and then has these gods interact with “humans” in the same way the gods interacted with humans in the mythical stories. For example, we have a leader, Kirk, who is, just like Apollo says, an archetype of the leaders of old, Agamemnon, Odysseus, etc. You have the beautiful woman that is totally smitten with the god, a battle of wits between the leader and the god. It’s pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 25, 2011, 06:55:08 PM
The Changeling

Man, Scotty can go flying!

I was reading online that Star Trek: The Motion Picture was “in part an expansion of this episode.” Hmmm, that is really interesting. Because of that I will hold off on doing an analysis of this episode. Instead, I will re-watch this episode before I watch TMP. Then I will do a long analysis of both. I have a feeling I am going to like TMP much better now

How come they had to show the black chick as unable to read? That’s racist

Ok, so Spock could Vulcan Mind Meld with a rug monster, I get that. It’s still made of organic material…but how the fuck could he mind meld with a machine?

Well, I loved the ending of this episode. Let’s hurry up and get to more trek so I can watch TMP!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 25, 2011, 07:14:21 PM
I am currently reading the hero with a thousand faces and the author mentions how stories are just metaphors for our reality.

I find that book so hard to read, Joseph Campbell was such a great public speaker, I expected his books to read like he talked, when they read like a textbook I get disappointed...  I have a bunch of videos of his classroom lectures, as well as regular documentary style ones, and of course the great series with Bill Moyers.

Oh, and good to get back to the episodes...

Yes, the mind meld with a machine was a bit of a stretch...

You might have to change your avatar for the next one (cough, bearded Spock, cough)

Then there's a not so great one before the greatness that is The Doomsday Machine...

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 25, 2011, 07:54:43 PM
Mirror, Mirror

Woo Hoo! Spock in a goatee. The creation of the archetype here in this episode. Let’s watch….

The Good
   The Outfits
   The Bad Spock
   The special effects


It’s interesting that both Spocks are loyal to the captain  in both universe’s. Both Spocks will go against Starfleet for them. It adds some great complexity to the character’s friendship. Almost as if Jim is willing to work with and negotiate with evil Spock, the metaphor for Spock's not so good times. Pretty awesome.

I really like alternate timelines. I like to consider why the authors made the choice that one original aspect will remain the same in the other universe vs another. For Example, both universe’s have a reference to Capt. Pike.So Capt Pike is like some universal constant in the star trek universe. It’s cool to think about is all I am saying.

Also, since I am SICK of you people going to RVR’s thread, I brought a souvenir

(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj277/anaisjude/3697001918_cb96fa0421_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on September 25, 2011, 09:45:48 PM
Amok Time is probably my favorite episode of TOS.  The actors are really comfortable with their characters, and it feels like the universe they inhabit finally seems fully developed.  And it's such a great milestone in the development of the Kirk/Spock/McCoy relationship.  Spock's emotional outburst when he discovers Kirk is alive is one of his most revealing moments, and I believe it's the last time we see such undisguised emotion coming from the character.  Even his death scene in Wrath of Khan, he's relatively calm and composed.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 25, 2011, 09:46:31 PM
So tits or GTFO apparently lol
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 25, 2011, 10:13:04 PM
So tits or GTFO apparently lol

GTFO?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 25, 2011, 10:15:25 PM
Get The Fuck Out
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on September 26, 2011, 05:32:26 AM
Yeah, some hot points will do :P
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 26, 2011, 07:36:01 AM
Amok Time is probably my favorite episode of TOS.  The actors are really comfortable with their characters, and it feels like the universe they inhabit finally seems fully developed.  And it's such a great milestone in the development of the Kirk/Spock/McCoy relationship.  Spock's emotional outburst when he discovers Kirk is alive is one of his most revealing moments, and I believe it's the last time we see such undisguised emotion coming from the character.  Even his death scene in Wrath of Khan, he's relatively calm and composed.

I endorse this statement
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 27, 2011, 07:38:26 PM
The Apple

I actually watched this twice because I didn’t have anything to say about it. I guess biblical allegories just don’t do anything for me. Again, gotta love that Bones v Spock arguments though. I think if I read more of the bible and study Christianity more this episode would be more interesting. As it is now…meh

The Doomsday Machine

The captain from the other ship sounds familiar. I wonder what else he has acted in. Kirk references the H Bomb. I am not a fan of authors who put a stories metaphor or main theme in your face like that.

Decker? Isn’t that the name of the captain from TMP? Also, why does he have a pretzel on his lapel?

Oh how I do love the stunt work on this show, lol. I always thought people were making fun of the stunts on this show because they were lame and super cheesy. Although I can tell the stunt work is fake, it’s still really awesome to watch

Where the fuck is Uhura

Oh…this is great. Decker’s passion overcoming Spock’s logic. It’s amazing to see how Spock and the crew react to this authoritative usurper. Especially the dynamic between Spock and Bones. It’s such a small thing, but seeing just how well

When Sulu says they have no power, I shouted “Scotty could find the power! Where is he when we need him?”

Man oh man, this show has AMAZING music.

The tension on this is great too. I think this is one of the best examples of how frigging awesome Scotty is. Take that Welshy!

Overall, one of the best episodes of the season. IT’s amazing how fucking brilliant this show is. I think this episode was a great way to increase the characterization of our holy trinity, while really showcasing the writing and acting of Scotty and Decker. I look forward to watching this episode again.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 27, 2011, 08:09:01 PM
William Windom did a lot of TV and some movie work, not surprising you've seen him before.

Uhura does go missing often, I don't think I've ever read why...

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on September 27, 2011, 08:10:32 PM
The Doomsday Machine

Decker? Isn’t that the name of the captain from TMP? Also, why does he have a pretzel on his lapel?


Yeah, it was never stated in TMP, but the novelizations and the like do state that Commodore Decker was Will's dad. And the pretzel is because on TOS, each of the Constitution class ships had a different emblem. The standard Enterprise emblem got promoted to fleet-wise use after the original series ended. (In canon, it was the only one of the 13 Constitution class ships that returned from the five year voyage.)

And the actor had a reoccurring role on Murder She Wrote. And 250 other roles on TV and movies too. He's even still alive too.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 27, 2011, 08:36:31 PM
(In canon, it was the only one of the 13 Constitution class ships that returned from the five year voyage.)

That's not actually canon.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 27, 2011, 08:44:32 PM
Its not even Cannon

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LGFdNXiL5jc/SZPvAY1cUHI/AAAAAAAAJCo/w6cCmLtbauk/s400/jaivana1.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on September 27, 2011, 09:15:44 PM
(In canon, it was the only one of the 13 Constitution class ships that returned from the five year voyage.)

That's not actually canon.

It's been canon in the past. Both the FASA Trek RPG and the novels of the 80s note that the Enterprise was the only ship that completed it's voyage. Later series (and the remastered eps) may have changed that, but it was canon for a long chunk of time.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 27, 2011, 09:18:50 PM
The Doomsday Machine

Decker? Isn’t that the name of the captain from TMP? Also, why does he have a pretzel on his lapel?


Yeah, it was never stated in TMP, but the novelizations and the like do state that Commodore Decker was Will's dad. And the pretzel is because on TOS, each of the Constitution class ships had a different emblem. The standard Enterprise emblem got promoted to fleet-wise use after the original series ended. (In canon, it was the only one of the 13 Constitution class ships that returned from the five year voyage.)

And the actor had a reoccurring role on Murder She Wrote. And 250 other roles on TV and movies too. He's even still alive too.

I loved that about TOS, and hate that it got abandoned post-TOS.

They're called "mission patches" -- Decker's is the Constellation, and then there's the Defiant (according to Enterprise):

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/c/cb/Defiant_Engineering_patch.jpg/180px-Defiant_Engineering_patch.jpg)

and Tracey's ship, the Exeter:
 (http://images.wikia.com/startrek/images/5/55/USS_Exeter_%28NCC-1672%29_assignment_patch.png)

Starfleet command had its own logo, which the admiralty wore:
(http://www.xscapesprops.com/star%20trek%20props/TOS_Uniforms/Starfleet%20Command%20%20Insignia.jpg)

Good stuff.

Interesting, the military has those too.  And just like in Trek we abandoned them fairly recently, at least in the air force we did.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 28, 2011, 06:23:16 AM
(In canon, it was the only one of the 13 Constitution class ships that returned from the five year voyage.)

That's not actually canon.

It's been canon in the past. Both the FASA Trek RPG and the novels of the 80s note that the Enterprise was the only ship that completed it's voyage. Later series (and the remastered eps) may have changed that, but it was canon for a long chunk of time.

neither of those are canon sources for Star Trek.  Only tv episodes and movies.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Bob on September 28, 2011, 06:43:57 AM
Its not even Cannon

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LGFdNXiL5jc/SZPvAY1cUHI/AAAAAAAAJCo/w6cCmLtbauk/s400/jaivana1.jpg)

Now William Conrad IS Cannon

(http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Charles/cannon-william-conrad.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 29, 2011, 08:03:04 PM
Catspaw (aka Treehouse of Horror 1)

Ok, so we have a Halloween themed Star Trek episode. I can just imagine the commercials for this episode. That being said, it’s kind of a neat idea. Take a very modern day theme and see how we can apply it to the future world that is this TV series. A show like Star Trek really showcases the freedom writers and storytellers can have with the science fiction genre.

Once again, the music is just phenomenal! Especially when they first encounter the…castle thing, I suppose. The mood, tone, and pacing of the music really works to heighten the tension and get you sucked into the story.

I do have to say….Chekov’s hair? Anybody? He looks like Davy Jones after he rolled out of bed. Ugh

This here acting captain is a tool. Everytime they show him I am like “whatever, I don’t respect your authority.” Tool

It’s interesting how well Kirk can manipulate situations for his advantage. And he has no apologies. Yes, I’m using you, stupid bitch, now free my friends and make me a sandwich (he didn’t say that, but it would totally have worked)

Overall, interesting episode. Not super philosophical like I enjoy, but one of the more entertaining ones.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 29, 2011, 08:17:34 PM
Ok I am watching I, Mudd and I call foul. Mudd appears in season 1 just like Khan. Chekov spefically asks if Kirk knows this person. And why? Because Chekov wasn't on the fucking ship in season 1. Therefore, any suggestion that Chekov knows Khan because he was on the enterprise are null and void.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 29, 2011, 08:21:10 PM
maybe he was sick in bed that weekend.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on September 29, 2011, 08:32:13 PM
Ok I am watching I, Mudd and I call foul. Mudd appears in season 1 just like Khan. Chekov spefically asks if Kirk knows this person. And why? Because Chekov wasn't on the fucking ship in season 1. Therefore, any suggestion that Chekov knows Khan because he was on the enterprise are null and void.

Mudd's Woman was early season 1 and Space Seed was late season one so he could have joined the the crew between those episodes,they didn't take place on the same day.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on September 29, 2011, 08:55:47 PM
Yeah, it's generally accepted that Chekhov joined the crew sometime between Mudd's Women and Space Seed.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on September 30, 2011, 05:07:25 AM
I believe if you check your sources you will discover that Chekov was hidden in a crawl space aboard the Enterprise during the first 2 years of their journey.  He had been doused with a nerve agent that slows Russian metabolism to allow for such an extended stay inside a 3 by 3 foot area.  At the appointed time he was activated by Klingon agents disguised as Yeomen.  Get your facts straight.  This is serious stuff.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 30, 2011, 07:57:28 AM
Ok I am watching I, Mudd and I call foul. Mudd appears in season 1 just like Khan. Chekov spefically asks if Kirk knows this person. And why? Because Chekov wasn't on the fucking ship in season 1. Therefore, any suggestion that Chekov knows Khan because he was on the enterprise are null and void.

Mudd's Woman was early season 1 and Space Seed was late season one so he could have joined the the crew between those episodes,they didn't take place on the same day.

Yeah, it's generally accepted that Chekhov joined the crew sometime between Mudd's Women and Space Seed.

Nope. That's dumb. Accept the fact the show made an error and move on (that is what I am doing)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 30, 2011, 05:25:52 PM
yeah, if you were a real Star Trek fan, you would have known that.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: goflyblind on September 30, 2011, 05:43:17 PM
your mom made an error.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 30, 2011, 05:50:10 PM
oh snap!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on September 30, 2011, 05:55:26 PM
oh snap!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 30, 2011, 05:56:07 PM
Snap?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on September 30, 2011, 05:58:15 PM
must be a wardrobe malfunction :P
That should be posted in My Star Trek thread 8)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on September 30, 2011, 05:58:47 PM
oh snap!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 30, 2011, 06:00:43 PM
oh snap!









I totally disagree.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on September 30, 2011, 06:02:16 PM
oh snap!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 30, 2011, 06:07:38 PM
Ok I am watching I, Mudd and I call foul. Mudd appears in season 1 just like Khan. Chekov spefically asks if Kirk knows this person. And why? Because Chekov wasn't on the fucking ship in season 1. Therefore, any suggestion that Chekov knows Khan because he was on the enterprise are null and void.

Mudd's Woman was early season 1 and Space Seed was late season one so he could have joined the the crew between those episodes,they didn't take place on the same day.

Yeah, it's generally accepted that Chekhov joined the crew sometime between Mudd's Women and Space Seed.

Nope. That's dumb. Accept the fact the show made an error and move on (that is what I am doing)

No, the movie made an error, not the show.

You know what I meant. Jesus
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on September 30, 2011, 06:12:35 PM
oh snap!

Thats turning into some kind of wierd mobius strip
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 30, 2011, 06:19:14 PM
oh snap!

Thats turning into some kind of wierd mobius strip

It will eventually collapse on itself in a glorious hypernova, however this won't happen for millions of years.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on September 30, 2011, 08:42:10 PM
I, Mudd

Well this was extremely entertaining. Mudd is, and always will be, a phenomenal character. The best part of this episode was when Kirk realized there was a way to overthrow the androids using logic (as I had previoulsy seen in a Futurama episode) and the way all the actors/characters played with Kirk's plan. Like the previous episode, not super philosophical, but highly entertaining.

One question: WTF was up with Kirk's shirt in this episode?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on September 30, 2011, 10:31:24 PM
So, how is he?

http://www.youtube.com/v/r0yXqU-w9U0?version=3&hl=en_US
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on October 01, 2011, 10:44:20 AM


One question: WTF was up with Kirk's shirt in this episode?

The green wraparound is the Captain's alternate uniform. Picard starts wearing one in S5 of TNG too (not a wraparound, but a different version of the standard uniform).  Bakula wears one like it in an ep too.

Had to cover up Patrick Stewart's pregnancy some how.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on October 01, 2011, 10:48:28 AM


One question: WTF was up with Kirk's shirt in this episode?

The green wraparound is the Captain's alternate uniform. Picard starts wearing one in S5 of TNG too (not a wraparound, but a different version of the standard uniform).  Bakula wears one like it in an ep too.


Had to cover up Patrick Stewart's pregnancy some how.

The weird thing was that it was a contractually obligated pregnancy anyway.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 02, 2011, 12:12:52 PM
I have been having a marathon this weekend, and I will have details later, but I have a few questions:

1) What is the hierarchy? Is it Kirk, Spock, and then Scotty, or Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Scotty? Because I have never seen Bones in Command,  but that might be because he was always busy or their was someone higher.

2) If the biggest difference between season 2 and 3 is the budget, I don't think it will be that bad. The budget this season is HUGE because these special effects are pretty darn cool for the time period. I will address the writing when I get to it

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 02, 2011, 02:21:07 PM
When does Sulu take command?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 02, 2011, 02:37:31 PM
When does Sulu take command?
Oh My..
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on October 02, 2011, 02:53:39 PM
When does Sulu take command?

In Star Trek VI. I think you see him briefly in the chair from time to time though during the series.

But Im's hierarchy of command matches my recollections.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 02, 2011, 05:09:03 PM
When does Sulu take command?

If Kirk Spock and Scotty are all gone. Sometimes just Kirk and Spock.  I believe he's in command during Friday's Child, for example.
'

Actually, I just watched Friday's Child and Scotty was in charge. Bones was the additional man on the landing party. In fact, this is the episode I was watrching when I wrote that question....eery
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 02, 2011, 08:22:50 PM
correct
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 03, 2011, 11:25:51 AM
Shatner's back in the recoding studio...making a classic rock/metal cover album!

http://www.youtube.com/v/ICbc8DpcX3w?version=3&hl=en_US
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 03, 2011, 09:05:52 PM
Leonard Nimoy told the crowd at the Star Trek convention in Chicago it was his last one.

I've only been to one, I think I was in the 6th grade, 1976, back when Roddenberry had a 16mm projector set up showing a B&W copy of The Cage, I can still remember it like it was yesterday.

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 06, 2011, 06:56:00 PM
I had a random though after reading about that.  Orson Wells last movie was Transformers: The Movie.  Leonard Nimoy's last movie may be Transformers: Dark of The Moon.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 06, 2011, 09:08:26 PM
Yea, I have been slacking on this thread, so I am going to do an overview of all the episodes I have watched lately:

Metamorphosis, Journey to Babel, Friday's Child, The Deadly Years

Great episodes, as usual. I seem to recall watching the Deadly Years before. I tried to watch all the Star Treks on the CBS websight and apparantly they had the episodes out of order (that is why I stopped). When you take the Deadly Years episode and compare it to the films, it holds up very well and emphasizes some very interesting issues. Metamorphosis was pretty interesting with it's views on love and companionship. Of course, the introduction of Spock's family was awesome and amazing. The episode did a great job portraying a strained father/son relationship. And, oddly enough, Spock's mom looks EXACTLY like she does in the movie...weird.

Journey to Babel is, in my opinion, the BEST EPISODE EVER! It was a mini-movie with each character playing an extremely important role in the outcome of this episode. I LOVED how they used a foreing planet to represent a culture with ideals that are different and "strange" compared to earth. I actually look forward to seeing the rest of the Star Trek series because their are more different cultures on the bridge.

My fave part? MCCoy all the way! Especially when he slapped the pregnant bitch and then she said she would only allow McCoy to touch her. It was AWESOME!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 06, 2011, 09:22:18 PM
Obession, Wolf in the Fold, The Trouble with Tribbles, The Gamesters of Triskelion, A Piece of the Action

Obessesion was soooooooo awesome I watched it twice. A real tour de force for Mr Shatner. I will cut anyone who says Shatner can't act. He can act but sometimes he chooses not to.

Wolf in the Fold was a great Scotty episode. Pretty fucking implausible, but a very interesting story nonetheless. It was really nice to see Scotty in a more starring role. James Doohan is damn cool, although he does look really different than the movies.

The Trouble with Tribbles: Why is this episode so beloved? I mean, yea the damn tribbles are cute and I would totally want one. Also having the Klingons as villains is ALWAYS awesome, but still....oh wait, I know. SCOTTY KICKING ASS! That scene was fucking awesome! Scotty trying to keep Chekov in check...and then the Klingons diss the Enterprise and BAM!

The Gamesters of Triskelion and A Piece of the Action were entertaining enough to be watched while working out, but not super memorable...except seeing Spocksy Malone, lol
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 06, 2011, 09:23:15 PM


Journey to Babel is, in my opinion, the BEST EPISODE EVER! It was a mini-movie with each character playing an extremely important role in the outcome of this episode. I LOVED how they used a foreing planet to represent a culture with ideals that are different and "strange" compared to earth. I actually look forward to seeing the rest of the Star Trek series because their are more different cultures on the bridge.

My fave part? MCCoy all the way! Especially when he slapped the pregnant bitch and then she said she would only allow McCoy to touch her. It was AWESOME!

You mean Friday's Child here?  I find it a middling episode, while I really do love Journey to Babel.

Oh yes I do mean Friday's Child. Sorry
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: gbeenie on October 07, 2011, 08:30:08 PM
Leonard Nimoy told the crowd at the Star Trek convention in Chicago it was his last one.


Yeah. He flat-out ditched on Dragon*Con this year. I was bummed, too; he and Shatner are like a classic comedy team (think the real-life Sunshine Boys).
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 08, 2011, 09:07:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bjnGi.jpg)

In Spock We Trust
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 08, 2011, 09:15:43 PM
that looks nothing like Spock!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 08, 2011, 09:18:14 PM
that looks nothing like Spock!

I thought it kinda did.

Should I delete the post?  ;)

Should I delete my account?

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 09, 2011, 02:23:30 AM
that looks nothing like Spock!

I thought it kinda did.

Should I delete the post?  ;)

Should I delete my account?

No
Yes
Yes

Be gone, poster of non Spock looking imagery...

Then come back an hour later and pretend like it never happened...  >:D
 
;D

Anyhoo, I've been watching the animated series on Netflix, I only remember a few of them from when they first aired.   Some seem aimed at adults, some aimed at children, guess they had trouble finding the balance.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 09, 2011, 02:25:05 AM
DON'T DO EEET, MAN!! :scared:
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 09, 2011, 08:17:16 AM
Wait, the animated show is on Netflix? do you mean instant watch? Because if so, I should give Compound back his dvds
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: mattwnelson on October 09, 2011, 08:25:58 AM
Yeah, it's streaming; I've been watching them on and off.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 09, 2011, 10:25:11 AM
I think they showed up on streaming around the same time DS9 did.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 09, 2011, 02:36:54 PM
I just came back to say I am sorry and then I will go.  I am sorry for messing up this forum with my photo of currency made to look like Spock but in reality looked nothing llike Spoc.  The fact is I have struggled all my life to control my compulsion to seek out images of things that are altered to look like Spock and right now it seems to be a losing battle so I am going. I just felt I should correct some of the things i said last night about Canadian money and Spock,some of you have been good friends to me and sadly when i let my legal tender Spock fetish get the better of me I forget that.  Sorry I can't be as good at finding stuff that really does look like spock as you all are at it. I just felt that needed to be said before I left.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 09, 2011, 02:41:24 PM
Hang your head in shame!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 09, 2011, 03:26:35 PM
I just came back to say I am sorry and then I will go.  I am sorry for messing up this forum with my photo of currency made to look like Spock but in reality looked nothing llike Spoc.  The fact is I have struggled all my life to control my compulsion to seek out images of things that are altered to look like Spock and right now it seems to be a losing battle so I am going. I just felt I should correct some of the things i said last night about Canadian money and Spock,some of you have been good friends to me and sadly when i let my legal tender Spock fetish get the better of me I forget that.  Sorry I can't be as good at finding stuff that really does look like spock as you all are at it. I just felt that needed to be said before I left.

Can you just replace the real one?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 09, 2011, 03:26:44 PM
I just came back to say I am sorry and then I will go.  I am sorry for messing up this forum with my photo of currency made to look like Spock but in reality looked nothing llike Spoc.  The fact is I have struggled all my life to control my compulsion to seek out images of things that are altered to look like Spock and right now it seems to be a losing battle so I am going. I just felt I should correct some of the things i said last night about Canadian money and Spock,some of you have been good friends to me and sadly when i let my legal tender Spock fetish get the better of me I forget that.  Sorry I can't be as good at finding stuff that really does look like spock as you all are at it. I just felt that needed to be said before I left.
Now go find some nasi republicanseses :P
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 09, 2011, 05:07:45 PM
(http://images.travelpod.com/users/mikeandjess/thailand2006.1172678280.img_2133.jpg)

This kid totally looks like Spock, am I right???
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 09, 2011, 05:22:06 PM
That's racist
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on October 09, 2011, 05:49:07 PM
(http://images.travelpod.com/users/mikeandjess/thailand2006.1172678280.img_2133.jpg)

This kid totally looks like Spock, am I right???

No, delete your account!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on October 09, 2011, 05:49:59 PM
Spock would never wear a plaid tie.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 09, 2011, 06:17:09 PM
(http://images.travelpod.com/users/mikeandjess/thailand2006.1172678280.img_2133.jpg)

This kid totally looks like Spock, am I right???

No, delete your account!
That's not Logical ... Captain!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 09, 2011, 07:02:43 PM
(http://www.airforcetimes.com/xml/news/2008/06/gates_whyschwartz_061008w/060908af_schwartz_norton2.JPG)

Eh? Eh?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 09, 2011, 07:14:02 PM
Oh My..
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 09, 2011, 11:43:32 PM
(http://www.nitelitetheatre.com/imperiusrex.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on October 10, 2011, 12:06:19 PM
(http://zachjonesishome.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/obama-vulcan.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on October 10, 2011, 12:09:31 PM
Man, Tuvok looks bored there.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on October 10, 2011, 12:51:20 PM
I think he's so bored that he decided to mind-meld with himself.  Filthy habit.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 10, 2011, 12:54:03 PM
I think he's so bored that he decided to mind-meld with himself.  Filthy habit.
damn it you stole my line
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 10, 2011, 01:26:28 PM
I think he's so bored that he decided to mind-meld with himself.  Filthy habit.
damn it you stole my line

GRATUITOUS SPACE QUEST REFERENCE!

"You mind-meld with yourself, as usual finding out nothing you didn't already know."
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 10, 2011, 01:47:22 PM
(http://zachjonesishome.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/obama-vulcan.jpg)

Totally looks like Spock. And believe me, I'm ALWAYS right about these things.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 10, 2011, 01:51:58 PM
(http://www.airforcetimes.com/xml/news/2008/06/gates_whyschwartz_061008w/060908af_schwartz_norton2.JPG)



No one is leaving this room until we find out who stole the pointy parts of my ears!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 10, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
Spock??

(http://thuddleston.deviantart.com/art/GALVATRON-Transformers-Series-156711250)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 10, 2011, 08:07:04 PM
robots do tend to be very logical
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 11, 2011, 08:12:38 PM
Currently watching "By any other name" I want to wear that hot outfit and make out with Kirk....talk about a fun time!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 11, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
Currently watching "By any other name" I want to wear that hot outfit and make out with Kirk....talk about a fun time!
only thing that irks me about that episode is the fact that the female red shirt was turned into a cube, crushed
and there didn't seem to be any reason by the end for a murder trial.

It's like
Kirk: Yeah you killed one of my hottie red shirts but it's cool bro, it's cool.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 11, 2011, 08:20:43 PM
that is the only reason red shirts exist.  Scotty is the exception.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 11, 2011, 08:37:15 PM
that is the only reason red shirts exist.  Scotty is the exception.
You're missing my point Sideswipe... why not even a MURDER TRIAL?!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 11, 2011, 08:40:01 PM
They probably make redshirts sign some type of accidental death/murder waiver
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 11, 2011, 08:48:51 PM
Thats true.  They aren't even from our galaxy.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 12, 2011, 11:17:45 AM
For who? The Kelvans? The Federation has no jurisdiction over them.  
There could be a really cold war between the Federation and the Kelvins And it could
get REALLY cold if there are only zero Kelvins....  ;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 12, 2011, 11:58:04 AM
For who? The Kelvans? The Federation has no jurisdiction over them.  
There could be a really cold war between the Federation and the Kelvins And it could
get REALLY cold if there are only zero Kelvins....  ;D

Are you even trying to respond to posts, or are you just going RVR and responding to stimuli randomly?
The Kelvans (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Kelvan) (I spelled it correctly) were the people you were complaining about, and one doesn't have "murder trials" for people who don't share one's governmental system.  Murder is a crime defined within the state, not between states.

He was making a joke, look up the word Kelvin.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 12, 2011, 12:42:44 PM
Also, I watched Return to Tommorrow. Spock was FUCKING SEXY when his body was being controlled by the brain ball person. I want more evil spock because he is HOT! I blame the nurse for not capitalizing on this convienent time to get it on with Spock. I mean, that trickster smile he had....*melt*


In addition I watched Patterns of Force, aka Nazi Episode Homeworld Episode. I thought this was a great episode. I like how the main person tried to use the "good" portions of the Nazi model to create a society. I think that is an itneresting concept because, in some ways, dictators do have one or two helpful ideas before they get taken over by the crazy. Well maybe not all of them, but I can see it with communism. Because of that, I liked this element of the episode. I need to mention, though, if spock is so OBVIOUSLY not human WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE HIM ON THE SHIP? Captain James T Jerk indeed.

I would like to address the music. Although it was sooooooooooo awesome toward the end of season 1, I have begun to notice that they are recycling the music and it's getting on my nerves. And although Chekov is around more often, I am not seeing Sulu all that much....oh my
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 12, 2011, 12:54:21 PM
You might be in that batch.


That's what Sulu said
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 12, 2011, 01:55:45 PM
one doesn't have "murder trials" for people who don't share one's governmental system.  Murder is a crime defined within the state, not between states.

Unless the person committing the crime has diplomatic immunity that's just not true.  If you are in another country (even illegally) you are subject to it's laws.  If what you are saying was true Amanda Knox would have been sent home instead of being tried for murder in Italy.  

The question is did the red shirt murder take place inside the federation, or was the planet outside federation space?  
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on October 12, 2011, 02:16:37 PM
Oh, was Amanda Knox serving aboard an interstellar space vessel?  I must have missed that from the media coverage.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 12, 2011, 02:29:53 PM
Casey Anthony was a way better acquitted murderer than Amanda Knox.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 12, 2011, 02:32:40 PM
Outside federation space, because it ends the discussion.

Well, somebody is in a bad mood today...

The only clue from the start of the episode is that Rojan says the Enterprise responded to the distress call quickly.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 12, 2011, 02:35:38 PM
if the red uniform doesn't fit, you must acquit.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on October 12, 2011, 03:11:29 PM
I should be finishing TNG tonight.  Got sidetracked by more Dark Shadows being added to instant.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 12, 2011, 03:44:56 PM
I should be finishing TNG tonight.  Got sidetracked by more Dark Shadows being added to instant.

I've been avoiding watching Dark Shadows, there's just so much of it I don't want to get hooked, I only vaguely remember watching it when I was real young.  My Mom never missed it.

Finished up the animated series, and have been picking through DS9 for the shows I remember liking.  So far I've watched  the one where the Kai is lost, the one with Tosk, and the one with old Jake.  I'll pretty much avoid all the cardassian and dominion stuff, well maybe not all the cardassian stuff because there were a few with Garak that I remember liking.  I hate the descriptions on Neflix, I'll have to use the Wikipedia episode lists to get the names of the ones I want to watch.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 12, 2011, 04:52:57 PM
You like the bajoran stuff but not the dominion stuff?

No, just forgot to add the bajoran political stuff to the list...  That probably only leaves about 10% of DS9 I'll be re-watching.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 12, 2011, 05:36:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/WI2hW.jpg)

I want a poster of this.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 12, 2011, 07:33:03 PM
Wow, Spock leaning on a '63 riviera, I grew up in that car, my dad bought one of the first few hundred made.

That thing was a tank, huge 401 cubic inch engine, huge turbine automatic transmission, positraction differential.

Although I guess it could be a '64, I don't think the front changed at all until '65, would need a side view to tell.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 12, 2011, 08:17:32 PM
Are you even trying to respond to posts, or are you just going RVR and responding to stimuli randomly?
The Kelvans (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Kelvan) (I spelled it correctly) were the people you were complaining about, and one doesn't have "murder trials" for people who don't share one's governmental system.  Murder is a crime defined within the state, not between states.
Must you always be so damn technical?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 12, 2011, 09:01:06 PM
No, and I was wrong anyway (see above).
Jolly nice of you to admit :)

Anyways, Makes me wonder what became of the Kelvans. One of the things that has always
annoyed me about continuing Television continuity of a series is the fact that many species
that probably should have been mentioned before never were. I mean in TOS did you ever
hear of the Bajorans? Cardassians? And you never heard of the Kelvans ever again, or the
Horta. However, to their credit, the Tholians were mentioned again in DS9 if I recall, but they
were never ever proclaimed as the power they once were. Makes you wonder if we missed
many more interesting stories that happened between the end of the TOS crew's adventures
and TNG.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 12, 2011, 09:04:22 PM
the Kelvans live in the Andromeda galaxy.  They probably don't get around to our neighborhood much.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 12, 2011, 09:09:32 PM
that might change with the advent of trans-warp conduits.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 12, 2011, 09:27:26 PM
I'd like to see hints that the shape shifters from the Original Series and Martia from Star
Trek VI were in fact the founders.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 12, 2011, 09:29:06 PM
No, and I was wrong anyway (see above).
Jolly nice of you to admit :)

Anyways, Makes me wonder what became of the Kelvans. One of the things that has always
annoyed me about continuing Television continuity of a series is the fact that many species
that probably should have been mentioned before never were. I mean in TOS did you ever
hear of the Bajorans? Cardassians? And you never heard of the Kelvans ever again, or the
Horta. However, to their credit, the Tholians were mentioned again in DS9 if I recall, but they
were never ever proclaimed as the power they once were. Makes you wonder if we missed
many more interesting stories that happened between the end of the TOS crew's adventures
and TNG.

Yeah I would love to see a series set in that period.  Maybe with the crew who served on the Enterprise A after Kirk and Co.,I think that would be cool.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 12, 2011, 09:29:54 PM
That's what that new movie should have been.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 12, 2011, 09:34:50 PM
That's what that new movie should have been.
Don't go there again Sideswipe. Can't please everybody.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 12, 2011, 09:56:55 PM
That's what that new movie should have been.

Yeah i agree. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 12, 2011, 09:59:14 PM
Yeah i agree. 
Okay, do you guys want something that would please the fanbase yet totally bomb because nobody
outside Trekkies will know what the hell is going on? Because that's not what I want.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 12, 2011, 10:00:38 PM
didn't you just tell me not to go there?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 12, 2011, 10:02:10 PM
That's what that new movie should have been.

Yeah i agree. 

I don't.

Star Trek was dead as a doornail before the new movie came out. The only way it was coming back was a reboot and I think it is great the writers found a way to do that with out undoing what had come before and we got a really goodbye story for Spock.  I never liked Unification as a last story for Spock.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 12, 2011, 10:08:38 PM
the movie was awesome. not only did i as a die hard trekkie like it but my dad who doesn't usually like that kind of thing loved it too, he went to go see it twice with me and I think it's got him interested in the whole franchise.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 12, 2011, 10:15:45 PM
didn't you just tell me not to go there?
I think my point was there are some things you can do in a TV series that you just CANNOT
do with any movie. DS9 pretty much proved that.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 12, 2011, 10:22:26 PM
didn't you just tell me not to go there?
I think my point was there are some things you can do in a TV series that you just CANNOT
do with any movie. DS9 pretty much proved that.

Yeah trying to explore that whole period or history in a two hour movie would be really hard.  I would much rather see it don't in a series where the stories are given time to breath.  I think the Next Gen Star Trek movies ran into trouble because they kept trying to hook into back story from the series adding things like the Defiant that made no sense if you hadn't watched Ds9,if you look the first six movies are all pretty much self contained stories.  Two of them continue where the last movie left off but all the backstory is given to you and you can follow the movie with out seeing the last one. I think Star Trek movies work best when they are self contained.

Let the movies be self contained adventure stories and the next series be about building massive backstory. TV has always been better with big plot arcs and movies have been better at big adventure. Play to that i say.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 12, 2011, 10:40:23 PM
Yeah trying to explore that whole period or history in a two hour movie would be really hard.  I would much rather see it don't in a series where the stories are given time to breath.  I think the Next Gen Star Trek movies ran into trouble because they kept trying to hook into back story from the series adding things like the Defiant that made no sense if you hadn't watched Ds9,if you look the first six movies are all pretty much self contained stories. 
This is one of the reasons I really hate First contact. I can't begin to imagine the conversation that took place
before Worf tooK THE DEFIANT(the most important ship in keeping the Dominion in line) to Earth

Sisko: Mister Worf, take the Defiant and go to Earth to combat the Borg, I need to take mister Eddington into the Badlands
Worf: But sir, isn't Earth more important?
Sisko:Pssshh, who gives a shit about Earth? I mean it's only the HQ of the Federation, my Birthplace, oh, and
my father lives there!!!!
Worf: Shouldn't at least Dax, Odo, Kira, O'brien or Bashir come with me?
Sisko: No no, we can't spare any key personnel because they'll be busy jerking off.
Worf: Ummm, sir, isnt' Earth more important then our Key personnel playing with
themselves?
Sisko: ..... GET THE FUCK OUT!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 12, 2011, 10:45:12 PM
They wanted to get Worf into the movie.  That's a miniscule problem compared to some alot of the stuff in 2009. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 12, 2011, 10:46:39 PM
The Lost Era series of novels start to cover that period of time.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 12, 2011, 10:47:06 PM
No, and I was wrong anyway (see above).
Jolly nice of you to admit :)

Anyways, Makes me wonder what became of the Kelvans. One of the things that has always
annoyed me about continuing Television continuity of a series is the fact that many species
that probably should have been mentioned before never were. I mean in TOS did you ever
hear of the Bajorans? Cardassians? And you never heard of the Kelvans ever again, or the
Horta. However, to their credit, the Tholians were mentioned again in DS9 if I recall, but they
were never ever proclaimed as the power they once were. Makes you wonder if we missed
many more interesting stories that happened between the end of the TOS crew's adventures
and TNG.

Yeah I would love to see a series set in that period.  Maybe with the crew who served on the Enterprise A after Kirk and Co.,I think that would be cool.

Except the studio will never do that now because of the new timeline (studios being deathly afraid of "confusing" the audience).  But no point rehashing ancient arguments.


And I just can't help myself, must,  quote, a, certain, captain, from, a, certain, movie;

"aren't you dead?"



 ;D >:D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 12, 2011, 11:27:18 PM
Wasn't the Defiant built as a weapon against the Borg?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 12, 2011, 11:31:24 PM
Wasn't the Defiant built as a weapon against the Borg?
yes it was but it was actually termed a bodyguard or escort vessel, as the Federation wanted to maintain its peacekeeping image and not outright say they were building warships and it was even outfitted with a modified cloaking device. After a few failed test runs and problems during missions, it was taken out of service until they needed it in the dominion war.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 12, 2011, 11:50:53 PM
And I still think it is so damn stupid that they sent the Defiant to Earth with only ONE Senior officer from DS9.
What I find even more curious is how long it must have taken for the Defiant to get to Earth from DS9. I am
guessing it takes what? At least 3 weeks? If the Federation is THAT good at pre-empting the Borg's attack,
they wouldn't even need the Defiant, they could pretty much summon the vast majority of the fleet which is
already in range if not closer!

I mean Jeez, they Only sent Worf, ONLY WORF! I guess some dumbass wanted to turn that whole skirmish
into the battle of Worf 359..... ;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 12, 2011, 11:55:32 PM
3 and a half days at warp 9.975 which means the defiant at a max warp of 9.5 would be about 4 days.... alright im going to take a break from this thread.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 13, 2011, 01:12:34 AM
3 and a half days at warp 9.975 which means the defiant at a max warp of 9.5 would be about 4 days.... alright im going to take a break from this thread.

I sometimes thought about the Enterprise getting there awfully quick from the Romulan neutral zone, never thought about the Defiant, and it got there before the Enterprise.

Oh well, I still like that movie for the most part, even if just for Patrick Stewart's performance.    2 years later he played a great Ahab on the mini-series version of Moby Dick.   Reminds me I haven't watched that in several years, it's a long dvd (3 hours) but really well done.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 08:44:18 AM
Oh well, I still like that movie for the most part, even if just for Patrick Stewart's performance.    2 years later he played a great Ahab on the mini-series version of Moby Dick.   Reminds me I haven't watched that in several years, it's a long dvd (3 hours) but really well done.
That's one of the other things that also really annoyed me about First Contact was tapping the same
book as Wrath of Khan did... Moby Dick. It's like Jesus didn't Rick Berman, Braga or Moore consider
any other books that HAVEN'T been quoted in trek before?

The Borg Queen being a gross and creepy sex pervert was also rather bothersome and completely inappropriate
for Trek.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 13, 2011, 10:17:29 AM
Oh well, I still like that movie for the most part, even if just for Patrick Stewart's performance.    2 years later he played a great Ahab on the mini-series version of Moby Dick.   Reminds me I haven't watched that in several years, it's a long dvd (3 hours) but really well done.
That's one of the other things that also really annoyed me about First Contact was tapping the same
book as Wrath of Khan did... Moby Dick. It's like Jesus didn't Rick Berman, Braga or Moore consider
any other books that HAVEN'T been quoted in trek before?

The Borg Queen being a gross and creepy sex pervert was also rather bothersome and completely inappropriate
for Trek.

Wrath of Khan was based more on WWII submarine movies than Moby Dick.  But both deal with a leaders obsession for revenge, so quotes from Moby Dick were appropriate in both, that's really nit picking to complain about that.

For the Borg queen it seemed like they were going for a Roman emperor stereotype, but had to tone it way down to get a PG rating so that aspect failed to be scary.   Or they came up with the "tempted by the flesh" line and thought is was so cool that they had to figure out a way to use it. 

Or they had the idea that the queen would be genuinely attracted to Data, and would try to turn him to her side, but failed miserably in implementing the idea.  Considering how bad and juvenile Insurrection was this could be the real answer.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 11:26:28 AM
Oh well, I still like that movie for the most part, even if just for Patrick Stewart's performance.    2 years later he played a great Ahab on the mini-series version of Moby Dick.   Reminds me I haven't watched that in several years, it's a long dvd (3 hours) but really well done.
That's one of the other things that also really annoyed me about First Contact was tapping the same
book as Wrath of Khan did... Moby Dick. It's like Jesus didn't Rick Berman, Braga or Moore consider
any other books that HAVEN'T been quoted in trek before?

The Borg Queen being a gross and creepy sex pervert was also rather bothersome and completely inappropriate
for Trek.

My problem with the Queen is that she made the Borg too weak,all you have to do is kill her and all the Borg die. Plus the whole point of the Borg collective in the series was that the Borg had no leader and so there was no central point that could be destroyed and take them out.  The reason they needed Picard was that they could not relate to people who had a leader. Giving them a leader makes complete nonsense of how the Borg acted up until that point. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 11:34:15 AM
The Borg didn't all die when the queen was killed
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 11:36:19 AM
Uh in the movie they stated for a fact that they did(that is why everything exploded and there were not any Borg on the other parts of the Enterprise)it's just they ignored it on Voyager and never explained what happened.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 11:37:03 AM
because there was more than 1 borg queen. or rather, since the memories and personality of a borg are absorbed when they become part of the collective, the queen is essentially backed up on the borg hard drive.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 11:38:54 AM
Uh in the movie they stated for a fact that they did(that is why everything exploded and there were not any Borg on the other parts of the Enterprise)it's just they ignored it on Voyager and never explained what happened.

No they did not die because she was killed.  They died because their flesh was liquified by the plasma coolant.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 11:39:45 AM
because there was more than 1 borg queen.

That makes even less sense then having one queen. Again i am going by what was in the movie,I don't even count Voyager as cannon let alone watch it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 11:44:13 AM
It's canon. One N in the middle.  Two n's gives you this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Cannon_pic.jpg/800px-Cannon_pic.jpg)

And this!

(http://s11.allstarpics.net/images/orig/p/8/p8jwtb1jzo18zj1t.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 11:45:06 AM
because there was more than 1 borg queen.

That makes even less sense then having one queen. Again i am going by what was in the movie,I don't even count Voyager as cannon let alone watch it.

You are going by what's in the movie wrong.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 11:54:59 AM
It's canon. One N in the middle.  Two n's gives you this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Cannon_pic.jpg/800px-Cannon_pic.jpg)

And don't try to tell me you knew that, because that's bullshiit.


Well I did,sorry I am not perfect like you.  I hit the N key twice by mistake.  I am sorry you don't have a life outside of stalking me,I am sorry that every time I make a typo it upsets you to the point where you can't get out of bed for a week,I am sorry you have no friends or family and all you have to do is watch my every post looking for a reason to curse me out.  Maybe if you saw a doctor he could put you on some meds and you would be able to have a life outside of my forum posts.

Stop stalking, me and turning every thread on the forum into a flame war.

You have three choices.

1)report my posts to the mods.

2)Ignore my posts since they upset you so much.

3)leave the forum.

Those are three adult choices you also have the one childish choice of all 12 year olds(and for people who can't bring themselves to act at a level above a 12 year old)

Continue stalking me and starting petty flame war.

If that is your choice I will no longer be engaging you instead I will be reporting every personal attack you make on me to the mods.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 11:55:56 AM
because there was more than 1 borg queen.

That makes even less sense then having one queen. Again i am going by what was in the movie,I don't even count Voyager as cannon let alone watch it.

You are going by what's in the movie wrong.
I edited my post to make it more clear what i meant.
also, why the hell is Voyager not canon?


Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 12:04:15 PM
Ooops.  I quoted the wrong post.  I knew what you meant.  I was reffering to Doctor Who?s post.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 12:06:55 PM
It's canon. One N in the middle. 
And don't try to tell me you knew that, because that's bullshiit.
Imrahil you don't have to be picky about spelling. Nobody's doing it just to annoy you and
we're not exactly writing a novel here either.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 13, 2011, 12:09:04 PM
because there was more than 1 borg queen. or rather, since the memories and personality of a borg are absorbed when they become part of the collective, the queen is essentially backed up on the borg hard drive.

Forum just ate my post....  OK, trying to remember...

My take on it was that she was an avatar for the Borg central computer.  Constructed on the Enterprise.  Also they never said the word queen in the movie, I don't think they actually say it until Voyager.

The mistake they made in Voyager was bringing back the same actress again, after that version of her was destroyed in First Contact, they used a different actress for a few episodes but then went back to Alice Krige.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 12:11:56 PM
Ooops.  I quoted the wrong post.  I knew what you meant.  I was reffering to Doctor Who?s post.
sorry i think i misquoted, i was talking to doctor who when i said that i edited it, but i quoted your quote instead of the original.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 12:15:07 PM
It's canon. One N in the middle.  Two n's gives you this:

And don't try to tell me you knew that, because that's bullshiit.

Well I did,sorry I am not perfect like you.  I hit the N key twice by mistake.  I

Bernard Cribbins has also appeared I think four times in the new series of Doctor Who.  I must admit despite them being non cannon and not as good as the Tv episodes i do have a real soft spot for the Dalek movies.

Listen you can be a fan of one section of the Star Trek Cannon and not an other.

You should fix that keyboard.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 12:15:15 PM
It's canon. One N in the middle.
And don't try to tell me you knew that, because that's bullshiit.
Imrahil you don't have to be picky about spelling. Nobody's doing it just to annoy you and
we're not exactly writing a novel here either.

Don't worry about it,he only does it to me and I have decided to ignore him.  Just refuse to engage him and like all 12 year olds he will either get bored and find something else to do after a few months or he will completely cross the line and get himself banned.  Either way we need to act like adults and not let his temper tantrums disrupt the forum any more then they already have.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 12:24:42 PM
It's canon. One N in the middle. 
And don't try to tell me you knew that, because that's bullshiit.
Imrahil you don't have to be picky about spelling. Nobody's doing it just to annoy you and
we're not exactly writing a novel here either.

Don't worry about it,he only does it to me and I have decided to ignore him.  Just refuse to engage him and like all 12 year olds he will either get board and find something else to do after a few months or he will completely cross the line and get himself banned.  Either way we need to act like adults and not let his temper tantrums disrupt the forum any more then they already have.
for the sake of sanity no one correct him.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 12:24:47 PM
Here is something interesting(at least I think it is),in his book I am Spock Nimoy says that he never got The trouble with Tribbles.  He feels it was a wasted episode.  I have never heard of anyone not liking that episode before.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 12:34:44 PM
It's canon. One N in the middle. 
And don't try to tell me you knew that, because that's bullshiit.
Imrahil you don't have to be picky about spelling. Nobody's doing it just to annoy you and
we're not exactly writing a novel here either.

Don't worry about it,he only does it to me and I have decided to ignore him.  Just refuse to engage him and like all 12 year olds he will either get board and find something else to do after a few months or he will completely cross the line and get himself banned.  Either way we need to act like adults and not let his temper tantrums disrupt the forum any more then they already have.

This is a board.
(http://api.ning.com/files/1vKO0ayCMGYhcnCEVZz-v1iUltZJBmu2vMZY3IEkOpqN01A5925uxDZX-E-GUToU6xZqtlaevCnKa0-VuuX7Tq0NDmlhqchO/Advisoryboard.jpg)

This is bored.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-Tdtglzp6yE/TUk07mvpPmI/AAAAAAAAAIY/hKwIJMyIbsU/s1600/bored.jpg)

Any questions?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 12:36:51 PM
Im getting a psychic vision someone is going to annouce they are leaving the forum and never coming back, and will never buy another rifftrax again. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 13, 2011, 12:41:12 PM
Im getting a psychic vision someone is going to annouce they are leaving the forum and never coming back, and will never buy another rifftrax again. 

Missed a good opportunity for a joke there...  If you had said "leaving this board" it would have been hilarious.   
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 12:42:33 PM
It's canon. One N in the middle.  Two n's gives you this:

And don't try to tell me you knew that, because that's bullshiit.

Well I did,sorry I am not perfect like you.  I hit the N key twice by mistake.  I

Bernard Cribbins has also appeared I think four times in the new series of Doctor Who.  I must admit despite them being non cannon and not as good as the Tv episodes i do have a real soft spot for the Dalek movies.

Listen you can be a fan of one section of the Star Trek Cannon and not an other.

You should fix that keyboard.

And if I stalked you and went through every post you have made on this forum I am sure I could find typos you have made,what is your point?

I will give you the same warning,either stop stalking me or I will report you to the mods.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 12:43:53 PM
Im getting a psychic vision someone is going to annouce they are leaving the forum and never coming back, and will never buy another rifftrax again.  
i was going to say i predict a threat being made, but  as i wrote it i got the message that a new post had been put up. guess which one.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 13, 2011, 12:54:32 PM
It's canon. One N in the middle.  Two n's gives you this:

And don't try to tell me you knew that, because that's bullshiit.

Well I did,sorry I am not perfect like you.  I hit the N key twice by mistake.  I

Bernard Cribbins has also appeared I think four times in the new series of Doctor Who.  I must admit despite them being non cannon and not as good as the Tv episodes i do have a real soft spot for the Dalek movies.

Listen you can be a fan of one section of the Star Trek Cannon and not an other.

You should fix that keyboard.

And if I stalked you and went through every post you have made on this forum I am sure I could find typos you have made,what is your point?

A simple forum search for "cannon doctor who" did the trick in seconds.

Quote
I will give you the same warning,either stop stalking me or I will report you to the mods.

I'm terrified! I don't wanna be banned from this message bored!!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 13, 2011, 12:57:52 PM
I will give you the same warning,either stop stalking me or I will report you to the mods.
I'm terrified! I don't wanna be banned from this message bored!!!

  :) :D;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 01:02:46 PM
WOOOO way to train wreck this thread. 

Anyone remember that episode of DS9 ( I think it was called Dax) where Dax is on trial for crimes Curzon committed.  That judge was one of my favorite one time characters in all of Star Trek.

Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 01:05:39 PM
WOOOO way to train wreck this thread. 

Anyone remember that episode of DS9 ( I think it was called Dax) where Dax is on trial for crimes Curzon committed.  That judge was one of my favorite one time characters in all of Star Trek.



you are correct. 

Bajoran Judge Judy!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 01:06:14 PM
I will give you the same warning,either stop stalking me or I will report you to the mods.
I'm terrified! I don't wanna be banned from this message bored!!!

  :) :D;D

Ok!  Now this is the kind of crazy I like to see.  Keep it up fellas!  Give me 110% Doc!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 01:06:38 PM
WOOOO way to train wreck this thread. 

Anyone remember that episode of DS9 ( I think it was called Dax) where Dax is on trial for crimes Curzon committed.  That judge was one of my favorite one time characters in all of Star Trek.



you are correct. 

Bajoran Judge Judy!

She had some great lines.  
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 01:14:01 PM
if you're interested, she played another part in the TNG ep the survivors ( actually had to look that one up).
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 01:17:39 PM
yeah.  If you were a guest star in Star Trek, you had a very high chance of doing another show at some point.  If you were really good, you had a part written for you(Andrew Robinson/Jeffery Combs)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 01:22:44 PM
Hey, we hit the "stalking/reprot tot he mdos" macro.

And...my temper tantrums disrupt the boards? Really?

Well good news for you,here is the chance you have been waiting for.

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22901.msg666313#new (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=22901.msg666313#new)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 01:26:43 PM
Or, you know, you could change the behaviors that got everyone making fun of you in the first place.

 I can't change the fact that I am not good at spelling any more then you can stop being a dick if I put the wrong number of Ns in canon.

You hate me and want me gone,fine. Vote in the poll.  If you don't vote you have no right to complain about me if I stay.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 01:28:04 PM
like that poll really means anything.  If you really intended on leaving you would have stayed gone the first time you threatened to leave.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 01:29:24 PM
like that poll really means anything.  If you really intended on leaving you would have stayed gone the first time you threatened to leave.

I swear that if you vote to kick me out I will leave and never come back.

I don't take oaths lightly.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 01:31:45 PM
like that poll really means anything.  If you really intended on leaving you would have stayed gone the first time you threatened to leave.

I swear that if you vote to kick me out I will leave and never come back.

I don't take oaths lightly.

Stay if you like being here go if you do not.  It is as simple as that. 

Can we get back to star trek?

Just out of curiosity what other one shot characters were excellent?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 01:35:08 PM
Admril Seti in the episode, "The Drumhead"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 01:37:29 PM
I thought the cadet characters in that one episode of TNG where Crusher crashed a shuttle were pretty good. Part of me really didn't want them to get caught and they did feel like a team.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 01:37:52 PM
Senator Vreenak from "In the Pale moonlight"... no? How about Graython Tolar?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 01:39:04 PM
IT'S A FAAAAAAAKE!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 01:41:43 PM
I thought the cadet characters in that one episode of TNG where Crusher crashed a shuttle were pretty good. Part of me really didn't want them to get caught and they did feel like a team.

Having been through military training and met people EXACTLY like those (and those others in the DS9 episode the Valient) I can say I wanted them punished hard.  They let their egos get way ahead of them. 

Quote
IT'S A FAAAAAAAKE!

I love that line read. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 13, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
Here is something interesting(at least I think it is),in his book I am Spock Nimoy says that he never got The trouble with Tribbles.  He feels it was a wasted episode.  I have never heard of anyone not liking that episode before.

I have not read all three pages of....whatever it is, but I would like to comment on this: Did Nimoy say what he didn't like about it? I could understand, without the hype surrounding that episode, I would have not given it much though.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 02:01:13 PM
IT'S A FAAAAAAAKE!
http://www.youtube.com/v/BwbPRCRkMy0?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on October 13, 2011, 02:01:46 PM
Here is something interesting(at least I think it is),in his book I am Spock Nimoy says that he never got The trouble with Tribbles.  He feels it was a wasted episode.  I have never heard of anyone not liking that episode before.

I have not read all three pages of....whatever it is, but I would like to comment on this: Did Nimoy say what he didn't like about it? I could understand, without the hype surrounding that episode, I would have not given it much though.

I don't really like that episode, except for the bar fight.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 02:05:01 PM
Here is something interesting(at least I think it is),in his book I am Spock Nimoy says that he never got The trouble with Tribbles.  He feels it was a wasted episode.  I have never heard of anyone not liking that episode before.

I have not read all three pages of....whatever it is, but I would like to comment on this: Did Nimoy say what he didn't like about it? I could understand, without the hype surrounding that episode, I would have not given it much though.

He just said he never liked it because he felt they had wasted an episode on something served no purpose.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 02:10:39 PM
IT'S A FAAAAAAAKE!
http://www.youtube.com/v/BwbPRCRkMy0?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0

That is one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek full stop.  What I like is he is not a villain on the side of the bad guys he is just trying to keep his people out of what he thinks is a pointless war,but even if he is not a bad guy he still has to be killed for the war to be won.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 02:11:11 PM
I liked Ardra (Marta DuBois and her lovely breasts).

Yes and yes.  Hmmm I should go back and rewatch some TNG i think.  
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Thrifty on October 13, 2011, 02:13:04 PM
WOOOO way to train wreck this thread. 

Anyone remember that episode of DS9 ( I think it was called Dax) where Dax is on trial for crimes Curzon committed.  That judge was one of my favorite one time characters in all of Star Trek.

I just saw that episode a few days ago.  I've been working my way through DS9.  Right now I'm on season one, some episode where some Cardassian came to the station with a disease that he supposedly got from a Bajoran labor camp, and Kira wants to hold him prisoner.  I heard that DS9 had some interesting story arcs, but I'm guessing those come later in the series.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 02:13:17 PM
I thought the cadet characters in that one episode of TNG where Crusher crashed a shuttle were pretty good. Part of me really didn't want them to get caught and they did feel like a team.

Having been through military training and met people EXACTLY like those (and those others in the DS9 episode the Valient) I can say I wanted them punished hard.  They let their egos get way ahead of them. 

Yeah i know but if say Kirk had done it no one would have blinked an eye,I felt like they only got in trouble because it went wrong. Let's face it Starfleet never punishes people for taking stupid risks and breaking rules if everything works out.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 02:17:45 PM
WOOOO way to train wreck this thread. 

Anyone remember that episode of DS9 ( I think it was called Dax) where Dax is on trial for crimes Curzon committed.  That judge was one of my favorite one time characters in all of Star Trek.

I just saw that episode a few days ago.  I've been working my way through DS9.  Right now I'm on season one, some episode where some Cardassian came to the station with a disease that he supposedly got from a Bajoran labor camp, and Kira wants to hold him prisoner.  I heard that DS9 had some interesting story arcs, but I'm guessing those come later in the series.

Yeah it take a bit for them to get going, although i really do like the episode you are on. 


Quote
Yeah i know but if say Kirk had done it no one would have blinked an eye,I felt like they only got in trouble because it went wrong. Let's face it Starfleet never punishes people for taking stupid risks and breaking rules if everything works out.


It is the ffact they are cadets that is annoying.  They act like they are officers and that they really know how things work despite being in training.  It is that exact attitude that got their buddy killed trying to do that stupid stunt. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 02:20:34 PM
I thought the cadet characters in that one episode of TNG where Crusher crashed a shuttle were pretty good. Part of me really didn't want them to get caught and they did feel like a team.

Having been through military training and met people EXACTLY like those (and those others in the DS9 episode the Valient) I can say I wanted them punished hard.  They let their egos get way ahead of them. 

Yeah i know but if say Kirk had done it no one would have blinked an eye,I felt like they only got in trouble because it went wrong. Let's face it Starfleet never punishes people for taking stupid risks and breaking rules if everything works out.


Do you realize there was an episode of TOS where Kirk was facing a court martial
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 02:22:59 PM
WOOOO way to train wreck this thread. 

Anyone remember that episode of DS9 ( I think it was called Dax) where Dax is on trial for crimes Curzon committed.  That judge was one of my favorite one time characters in all of Star Trek.

I just saw that episode a few days ago.  I've been working my way through DS9.  Right now I'm on season one, some episode where some Cardassian came to the station with a disease that he supposedly got from a Bajoran labor camp, and Kira wants to hold him prisoner.  I heard that DS9 had some interesting story arcs, but I'm guessing those come later in the series.

Yeah it take a bit for them to get going, although i really do like the episode you are on. 


Quote
Yeah i know but if say Kirk had done it no one would have blinked an eye,I felt like they only got in trouble because it went wrong. Let's face it Starfleet never punishes people for taking stupid risks and breaking rules if everything works out.


It is the ffact they are cadets that is annoying.  They act like they are officers and that they really know how things work despite being in training.  It is that exact attitude that got their buddy killed trying to do that stupid stunt. 

Yeah i guess,still I bet Kirk would have done it if he had been there.  You know what this is what a classic episode of Star Trek should do. If you ask me the fact that 20 years later we are able to have a debate about this is what makes that such a good episode.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 13, 2011, 02:23:47 PM
Quote
Yeah i know but if say Kirk had done it no one would have blinked an eye,I felt like they only got in trouble because it went wrong. Let's face it Starfleet never punishes people for taking stupid risks and breaking rules if everything works out.


It is the ffact they are cadets that is annoying.  They act like they are officers and that they really know how things work despite being in training.  It is that exact attitude that got their buddy killed trying to do that stupid stunt. 

Yeah, a seasoned officer taking risks in a difficult situation can be justified, a bunch of cadets getting their classmate killed for a stunt maneuver at graduation needed serious punishment.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 02:25:28 PM
I cannot watch the DS9 Episode Valiant without seriously wanting to punch someone. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on October 13, 2011, 02:26:32 PM
My take on it was that she was an avatar for the Borg central computer.  Constructed on the Enterprise.  Also they never said the word queen in the movie, I don't think they actually say it until Voyager.


They may not have said it, but her listing in the credits was as "Borg Queen."
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 02:27:04 PM
Do you realize there was an episode of TOS where Kirk was facing a court martial
Yep, and I forgot the name of the episode where Kirk was facing a Court Martial... does anybody
remember the name of that episode please?

While we're at it, I remember this movie about a bus that had to speed around the city, keeping
its speed above 50, and if its speed dropped, it would explode. I think it was called "The Bus
that couldn't slow down".
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 02:28:19 PM
I cannot watch the DS9 Episode Valiant without seriously wanting to punch someone. 
It was  a waste of a direly needed ship.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 02:28:28 PM
I cannot watch the DS9 Episode Valiant without seriously wanting to punch someone. 

Yeah that is another great episode.  One of things i like is that Nog goes along with them. I can't stand most of the Ferangi(spelling?)episodes but I like Nog for some reason.  I can't stand Rom.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 02:30:40 PM
Quote
It was  a waste of a direly needed ship.

All because of some overly arrogant cadets. 

Quote
One of things i like is that Nog goes along with them.

Nog's redemption comes from the fact he realizes their place in the end.  The female "chief" never did figure it out. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 02:34:15 PM
Quote
It was  a waste of a direly needed ship.

All because of some overly arrogant cadets. 

Quote
One of things i like is that Nog goes along with them.

Nog's redemption comes from the fact he realizes their place in the end.  The female "chief" never did figure it out. 

Well I can forgive her simply because she was being trained to follow orders and the "captain" was in command under every rule in the book.  Now he had no excuse for no hightailing it back to the nearest starbase.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 02:38:31 PM
If that is what they are "trained" to do then starfleets training sucks compared to the training I got.  You do not follow illegal orders ever.  They KNEW he was not a captain. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 02:38:46 PM
Quote
It was  a waste of a direly needed ship.

All because of some overly arrogant cadets.  

Quote
One of things i like is that Nog goes along with them.

Nog's redemption comes from the fact he realizes their place in the end.  The female "chief" never did figure it out.  
because they kept on getting propped up as the "elite red squad". just realized something. the moment they mentioned that they were the "red" squad it should have been obvious they'd all be killed.
EDIT: except 1
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 02:44:56 PM
If that is what they are "trained" to do then starfleets training sucks compared to the training I got.  You do not follow illegal orders ever.  They KNEW he was not a captain. 

Well he was claiming he was promoted to Captain and if he had been telling the truth then disobeying him would have been mutiny,and the order he gave them up to a certain point were the orders Starfleet had given that ship,and once he decided to to attack he played mental game where he made them think they had really chosen to attack. There really wasn't much of an opening for anyone to challenge him,when Jake did it he was thrown in the brig.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 02:48:02 PM
If that is what they are "trained" to do then starfleets training sucks compared to the training I got.  You do not follow illegal orders ever.  They KNEW he was not a captain.  

You are not trained to follow orders unquestionably.  At least in the military.  Why the hell was there a cheif on the ship in the first place, if Red Squad was made up of the best from Starfleet Academy.  Cadets are training to become officers, not non commissioned officers.  Cadets don't have the experience to command a starship, wich is why there is no way in hell one who didn't even graduate from the academy would be skipped ahead six ranks and given command of a ship.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Doctor Who? on October 13, 2011, 02:51:41 PM
If that is what they are "trained" to do then starfleets training sucks compared to the training I got.  You do not follow illegal orders ever.  They KNEW he was not a captain.  

You are not trained to follow orders unquestionably.  At least in the military.  Why the hell was there a cheif on the ship in the first place, if Red Squad was made up of the best from Starfleet Academy.  Cadets are training to become officers, not non commissioned officers.  Cadets don't have the experience to command a starship, wich is why there is no way in hell one who didn't even graduate from the academy would be skipped ahead six ranks and given command of a ship.

yeah i have never understood how Starfleet's  system of ranking works.  Some people get command of a ship right out of training and others stay second in command for 25 years.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 02:52:47 PM
Quote
Why the hell was there a cheif on the ship in the first place,

Because civies who TV episodes do not understand the difference between officer and enlisted.  
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 03:19:43 PM
yeah i have never understood how Starfleet's  system of ranking works.  Some people get command of a ship right out of training and others stay second in command for 25 years.
If you buy the theory that Janeway is evil, it explains a LOT. I think she might have programmed a retroactive
time traveling computer virus.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 03:26:14 PM
it probably has to do with aptitude tests. those that show strong traits for leadership are given command out of the get-go and others have to earn it. plus there is additional command training within starfleet specifically for those that wish to become captains (part of which is the Kobayashi Maru test). and some just fall into it. Picard was only a flight controller when his captain was killed and the first mate injured and he took control of the Stargazer. .
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 03:40:54 PM
No one should be given command right from the get go.  The potential for leadership means nothing without the experience to back it up.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 03:48:03 PM
things were different in the Federation when that started though. They weren't at war with anyone and combat was unlikely. they were explorers first and foremost. also it's a tv show.
If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
And other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show,
I should really just relax
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 03:57:36 PM
.
If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
And other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show,
I should really just relax
Well, obviously Tom, Michael and Crow wondered out loud about the same things in movies they were
watching despite those lyrics.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 04:00:24 PM
.
If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
And other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show,
I should really just relax
Well, obviously Tom, Michael and Crow wondered out loud about the same things in movies they were
watching despite those lyrics.
yeah but they were joking. I mean I'm a huge star trek fan obviously and i get lost in the whole thing all the time but when some incongruity happens that can't be explained I just suspend my disbelief a bit and enjoy it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 04:05:33 PM
things were different in the Federation when that started though. They weren't at war with anyone and combat was unlikely. they were explorers first and foremost. also it's a tv show.
If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
And other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show,
I should really just relax


BS.  War or not, when entering an new and unexplored area you are going to want someone who knows what the fuck they are doing.  A show should make sense though if it wants to be taken seriously
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 04:12:22 PM
things were different in the Federation when that started though. They weren't at war with anyone and combat was unlikely. they were explorers first and foremost. also it's a tv show.
If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
And other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show,
I should really just relax


BS.  War or not, when entering an new and unexplored area you are going to want someone who knows what the fuck they are doing.  A show should make sense though if it wants to be taken seriously
Even the seasoned captains often didn't know what they were doing when entering a new area. but overall it was ok for most captains so i guess they trained them well enough.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 04:19:34 PM
They knew what they were doing.  They knew how to command a starship even if they didn't know what to expect.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 04:29:49 PM
alright here's what memory alpha has to say about it.
Quote
Captains of starships, often located hundreds of light years away from and out of communications with higher authority, must be able to function autonomously and make independent command decisions affecting Federation policy and countless lives. Accordingly, few Starfleet officers ever gain the captaincy of a starship, the result of decades of sustained excellence as a Starfleet leader.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 13, 2011, 04:31:27 PM
alright here's what memory alpha has to say about it.
Quote
Captains of starships, often located hundreds of light years away from and out of communications with higher authority, must be able to function autonomously and make independent command decisions affecting Federation policy and countless lives. Accordingly, few Starfleet officers ever gain the captaincy of a starship, the result of decades of sustained excellence as a Starfleet leader.
And that explains why Janeway ended up becoming Grand admiral, right?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 13, 2011, 09:18:04 PM
One of my favorite episodes of TNG is the one centered on a group of junior officers, who are working on a secret project without knowing the precise details. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 09:24:28 PM
What is that episode?  I can not remember that. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 09:29:44 PM
The 34th Deck
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 13, 2011, 09:56:47 PM
The 34th Deck

That's not a TNG episode, maybe "Lower Decks"?  That one fits the description, also one I avoid watching due to the ending.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 09:58:33 PM
yeah.  That's what a meant.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 10:37:45 PM
Thank god there are 70,000 trek threads on this forum.  That way i can ACTUALLY discuss trek in one of them.  In The Last Outpost in TNG, how the hell are they smart enough to pilot the enterprise but too dumb to figure their way out of a chinese finger trap?  Those things do not even work properly half the damned time. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 13, 2011, 10:38:47 PM
Ignore season 1.  It doesn't count.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 13, 2011, 10:50:31 PM
yea they were still working the kinks out.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 10:52:23 PM
I can see that as I am re watching these lol
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 13, 2011, 11:00:41 PM
Yup, many of the first season are painfully bad.  Some really terrible writing, the actors haven't really figured out their characters yet, and some heavy handed preachy episodes.

But, you get the ones with the Traveler and Lwaxana, and I guess the one with the Stargazer is not horrible, the one where they find Lore is OK, then starting with the one with the Bynars there are a bunch in a row that are decent, then some stinkers, then an OK ending few.  
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 13, 2011, 11:09:10 PM
The one with troi making out with Yar was alright.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 15, 2011, 08:12:42 PM
Time Out!

When does Shatner start doing the "Spooooooooooooooooooooock" or where does that come from?



No more Star Trek for ANYONE until my question is answered
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 15, 2011, 08:19:28 PM
I don't know if that actually happened in an episode or not.  I think it's just an exaggerated impression of Shatner.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 15, 2011, 08:24:42 PM
Time Out!

When does Shatner start doing the "Spooooooooooooooooooooock" or where does that come from?



No more Star Trek for ANYONE until my question is answered

The movies.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 15, 2011, 08:32:07 PM
Time Out!

When does Shatner start doing the "Spooooooooooooooooooooock" or where does that come from?



No more Star Trek for ANYONE until my question is answered

The movies.

Which one? I want the very first time he did it....please. I would like to know that information. Thanks
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 15, 2011, 08:34:42 PM
Time Out!

When does Shatner start doing the "Spooooooooooooooooooooock" or where does that come from?



No more Star Trek for ANYONE until my question is answered

The movies.

Which one? I want the very first time he did it....please. I would like to know that information. Thanks

She'd like it VERY MUCH!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 15, 2011, 08:43:37 PM
Try the Motion Picture the first time Spock sets foot on the new bridge.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 15, 2011, 08:59:22 PM
Try the Motion Picture the first time Spock sets foot on the new bridge.

Awesome! Thanks Sideswipe!  :highfive:
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on October 15, 2011, 09:16:32 PM

You are not trained to follow orders unquestionably.  At least in the military.  Why the hell was there a cheif on the ship in the first place, if Red Squad was made up of the best from Starfleet Academy.  Cadets are training to become officers, not non commissioned officers.  Cadets don't have the experience to command a starship, wich is why there is no way in hell one who didn't even graduate from the academy would be skipped ahead six ranks and given command of a ship.

yeah i have never understood how Starfleet's  system of ranking works.  Some people get command of a ship right out of training and others stay second in command for 25 years.
[/quote]

Well, some Kid's Crew members score very well on their Kobayashi Maru tests...

Oh. Wait. That's not canon. Nevermind.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 15, 2011, 09:19:08 PM
Thats CANNON! - oh wait, never mind.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 15, 2011, 09:23:40 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cQpT7M648Ew/TMrIsVTJUEI/AAAAAAAAFjs/PUPqBf4xAvw/s1600/Hair06.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 15, 2011, 10:51:58 PM
hey anais just in case you miss it on the other thread:
(http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l530/mst3ktomservo/IMG_4716.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Thrifty on October 19, 2011, 09:49:06 AM
I just watched the second season finale of DS9, "The Jem'Hadar".  Looks like they're finally starting to introduce The Dominion in earnest.  It was referred to a few times previously, but this was the first time their forces were actually shown.  Just started up season 3, where the crew of DS9 is trying to figure out how to defend against The Dominon.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 19, 2011, 11:41:01 AM
Quote
I still feel rage at Troi and Crusher though, especially Crusher's "I'd go to war over my son" line

At least I get her motivation.  She embodies the mother and Gates is good at making me believe she is a single mother fighting for her kid, pretty much right from day one. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 19, 2011, 12:26:49 PM
I watched TNG "Suddenly Human" last night.  Kind of a shit episode, but even still it had some good moments.  I still feel rage at Troi and Crusher though, especially Crusher's "I'd go to war over my son" line.  Great, DOCTOR, glad to see you're thinking with your glands.

Which one is that?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 19, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Oh yeah.  That's the one where Picard wants to rip the kid from the only family he's known against his will, or at least manipulate him into coming back to the Federation.  Despite Roddenberry insisting that the Federation is this perfect entity where there is no conflict, there are times when it just seems icky.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 19, 2011, 08:50:25 PM
  Just started up season 3, where the crew of DS9 is trying to figure out how to defend against The Dominon.

By episode 1 of seaon 4 they pretty much have the defenses for the station figured out.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 20, 2011, 08:48:49 AM
Teehee, Chekov said "Wessel"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 20, 2011, 09:30:07 PM
Nu-clear, wess-ells
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on October 20, 2011, 10:15:05 PM
A fun note from James Lileks today:

Quote
Lileks
Things I didn't know: the actress who played Yeoman Rand on Trek turned 81 this year.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 20, 2011, 10:49:52 PM
A fun note from James Lileks today:

Quote
Lileks
Things I didn't know: the actress who played Yeoman Rand on Trek turned 81 this year.

Yup, all the hot girls from the show are now senior citizens.  :'(   Grace Lee Whitney was older than her character was portrayed.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 21, 2011, 09:52:54 AM
Nu-clear, wess-ells

You're not acting hard enough!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 21, 2011, 09:58:06 AM
Nu-clear, wess-ells

You're not acting hard enough!
Huh huh.. you said 'hard' huh huh..
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 21, 2011, 10:02:16 AM
According the the actor that plays Chekhov in Star Trek 2009, the switching "v's" and "w's" thing is more a polish thing than a russian thing.  Just thought I'd put that out there.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 21, 2011, 10:23:18 AM
According the the actor that plays Chekhov in Star Trek 2009, the switching "v's" and "w's" thing is more a polish thing than a russian thing.  Just thought I'd put that out there.
Prolly why Doc Who thought it sucked so bad :P
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 21, 2011, 10:25:54 AM
According the the actor that plays Chekhov in Star Trek 2009, the switching "v's" and "w's" thing is more a polish thing than a russian thing.  Just thought I'd put that out there.
V's and W's go together like VW's.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 21, 2011, 10:34:12 AM
He didn't, though. He loved it and got violently angry at people who didn't.  Usually prefacing his anger with "ok here is the thing" and ending it with people being dragged into the streets and shot.
You've never engaged in extreme hyperbole Imrahil? NO, of course you haven't ;D

Anyways, I just looked for more info on the new movie and it's not even coming out
until 2013... :(
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 21, 2011, 10:34:49 AM
According the the actor that plays Chekhov in Star Trek 2009, the switching "v's" and "w's" thing is more a polish thing than a russian thing.  Just thought I'd put that out there.
Prolly why Doc Who thought it sucked so bad :P

He didn't, though. He loved it and got violently angry at people who didn't.  Usually prefacing his anger with "ok here is the thing" and ending it with people being dragged into the streets and shot.

or in my case, fucked to death by wolves.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 21, 2011, 10:36:59 AM
According the the actor that plays Chekhov in Star Trek 2009, the switching "v's" and "w's" thing is more a polish thing than a russian thing.  Just thought I'd put that out there.
Prolly why Doc Who thought it sucked so bad :P

He didn't, though. He loved it and got violently angry at people who didn't.  Usually prefacing his anger with "ok here is the thing" and ending it with people being dragged into the streets and shot.

or in my case, fucked to death by wolves.
Yeah that was classic :D :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 21, 2011, 10:38:03 AM
Yeah that was classic :D :D
Yup, and I'm sure he really really meant it because none of us have ever said anything
stupid in the heat of the moment before.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 21, 2011, 10:39:28 AM
Yeah that was classic :D :D
Yup, and I'm sure he really really meant it because none of us have ever said anything
stupid in the heat of the moment before.
Not like that I haven't :o
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 21, 2011, 10:42:18 AM
I doubt he really meant it, but I'm sure the emotions were real.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 21, 2011, 10:43:56 AM
Anyways, I had a funny idea. The Apes find R2-D2 in the Debris field of Vulcan, steal the
plans for the Death Star and create their own Death Star that more or less looks like the head
of the statue of liberty.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 21, 2011, 11:09:06 AM
Anyways, I had a funny idea. The Apes find R2-D2 in the Debris field of Vulcan, steal the
plans for the Death Star and create their own Death Star that more or less looks like the head
of the statue of liberty.

Let's greenlight this for a summer release...is Michael Bay free to direct?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 21, 2011, 11:32:26 AM
Its not the head of the Statue of Liberty, its the head of Megamaid.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 21, 2011, 12:28:41 PM
Its not the head of the Statue of Liberty, its the head of Megamaid.
"she's gone from suck.... to BLOW!"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 21, 2011, 03:47:37 PM
"she's gone from suck.... to BLOW!"
She gives great helmet.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Thrifty on October 22, 2011, 05:46:40 PM
I'm watching the DS9 episode "Family Business" right now.  I love Quark centered episodes.  This exploration of the Ferengi homeworld is hilarious.  I love how over the top they are in their greed and misogyny.  Quark and the auditor are completely apalled that his mother is wearing clothes and talking to a stranger.  They can't even stand to look at her.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 22, 2011, 05:58:00 PM
Liquidator Brunt!

I love the Ferengi episodes. The Ferengi homeworld was pretty interesting to see, it apperently never stops raining there, they have like 300 different words for rain.  I would be begging for my parents to put their clothes back on the same way Quark tells him mom to take them off.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 22, 2011, 06:00:36 PM
I'm watching the DS9 episode "Family Business" right now.  I love Quark centered episodes.  This exploration of the Ferengi homeworld is hilarious.  I love how over the top they are in their greed and misogyny.  Quark and the auditor are completely apalled that his mother is wearing clothes and talking to a stranger.  They can't even stand to look at her.

Yeah, the Americans Ferengi are hilarious.
oh yea because all american women walk around naked. it's not like the Germans have sex in parks in berlin, or half naked prostitutes are at the entrance to the town of Cesky-krumlov.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 22, 2011, 06:05:38 PM
The Ferengi aren't exactly Americans.  Americans are greedy money loving capitolists though, thats the steroetype anyway.  The word fereng is farcy for westerner too.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Thrifty on October 22, 2011, 06:12:52 PM
I'm watching the DS9 episode "Family Business" right now.  I love Quark centered episodes.  This exploration of the Ferengi homeworld is hilarious.  I love how over the top they are in their greed and misogyny.  Quark and the auditor are completely apalled that his mother is wearing clothes and talking to a stranger.  They can't even stand to look at her.

Yeah, the Americans Ferengi are hilarious.
Because greed only exists in the United States?

Thanks for injecting some nasty quasi-political swipe into an otherwise friendly and lighthearted discussion.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 22, 2011, 06:17:18 PM
That is what the writers of DS9 have stated, the Ferengi are supposed to be based on modern day Americans.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 22, 2011, 06:19:11 PM
wow really.... i thought they were thinly veiled jewish stereotypes if anything.....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 22, 2011, 06:58:42 PM
Originally of course, the Ferengi were supposed to be much more of a threat.  They were supposed to be TNG's answer to the Klingons or Romulans.  But fans didn't take them seriously as a threat, so they evolved into the humorous mischief-makers fans are more familiar with.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 22, 2011, 07:01:59 PM
yeah, they were replaced by the Borg.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 22, 2011, 07:02:32 PM
and the dominion.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 22, 2011, 07:35:57 PM
oh i never watched those.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 22, 2011, 07:42:52 PM
DS9 has something for everybody... but for the record I get creeped out by the Ferengi nudity. not because
Mishka is ugly mind you but because Quark is her son and asking her to get naked. Now, I know theirs is
a vastly different culture(Rubbing their earlobes is pretty much the same as self-pleasuring), but that is just
insanely creepy and very off-putting to me.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 22, 2011, 10:42:34 PM
DS9 has something for everybody... but for the record I get creeped out by the Ferengi nudity. not because
Mishka is ugly mind you but because Quark is her son and asking her to get naked. Now, I know theirs is
a vastly different culture(Rubbing their earlobes is pretty much the same as self-pleasuring), but that is just
insanely creepy and very off-putting to me.

But like man, the bod is natural man.  clothes were made by the man to make people of like being who they are man. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 22, 2011, 10:53:56 PM
But like man, the bod is natural man.  clothes were made by the man to make people of like being who they are man. 
Maynard G. Krebs cycle much? ;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 23, 2011, 07:34:15 AM
Woohoo! So I have finished Season 2 of The Original Series. This season ends with Bread and Circuses and Assignment: Earth.

Bread and Circuses was really awesome and rather famous, at least in my circles, because I have heard reference made to this episode before.

Assignment Earth was BORING AS FUCK. You can ask Flocky, Transcripts of the conversation provided below:


Anais (in her room packing): Anything interesting happen yet?
Flocky: (Sitting on couch and playing on his phone): No
Anais: Tell me when Kirk is on the screen
(five minutes pass)
Anais: William?
Flocky: Kirk isn't on screen yet


Ugh. Anyway, on to Spock's Brain!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 07:45:02 AM
Spock's Brain:  Because they all can't be City on the Edge of Forever.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 23, 2011, 08:41:11 AM
Yea, it's pretty sub par so far
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 08:53:53 AM
It's completely goofy too
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 23, 2011, 10:38:30 AM
Assignment Earth was BORING AS FUCK.

Really?  I always thought Terry Garr was good in it.  It's got some funny moments.  It's not a favorite but never thought it was boring.

From what I read it was sort of a pilot for a proposed spin-off show that never happened.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 10:45:33 AM
yeah, there was supposed to be an Assignment Earth series.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 23, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
Yea, I can see how people would like it. Just wasn't working for me yesterday.


Also, RE: Spock's Brain....WTF is up with Scotty's hair  ???
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 23, 2011, 11:24:22 AM
Also, RE: Spock's Brain....WTF is up with Scotty's hair  ???
Proly had a wee bit too much scotch there.. :P
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 11:26:54 AM
I quite enjoy Assignment: Earth myself. I like Gary Seven.
I think there was a book about Khan where he actually met Gary Seven. I don't know all
the details, but I think it was a cool tie-in.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 11:29:48 AM
It was the Rise and Fall of Kahn books.  In the first book Kahn actually worked with Gary Seven for a while.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 23, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
Watching measure of a man (season 2 TNG), Forgot how good this episode is.  Picard and the jag officer, amazing chemistry between the two. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 11:53:47 AM
Watching measure of a man (season 2 TNG), Forgot how good this episode is.  Picard and the jag officer, amazing chemistry between the two. 
That and Peak Performance are the highlights of season 2 TNG. Although I could do without that smug
little bastard Wesley... I mean Riker, I mean... oh forget it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 23, 2011, 12:20:01 PM
Anyone else feel like Pulaski did not get a fair chance?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 12:24:09 PM
Anyone else feel like Pulaski did not get a fair chance?
Heh heh, watch this
http://sfdebris.com/startrek/t127.asp
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 23, 2011, 12:24:39 PM
I prefer her to Crusher, to be honest. I really loathe Beverly.
Yeah she was a Hotter Doctor :P
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 12:24:54 PM
I liked Pulaski, she wanted to be McCoy though.  Maybe thats why I like her?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 12:28:00 PM
She was abrasive, but ultimately a lot warmer and had a sense of humor as well.  Crusher's just a humorless bitch.
Dr. Selar, now...
This video is for all the Pulaski lovers... ;)
http://sfdebris.com/startrek/t127.asp
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 12:34:06 PM
Dr. Selar, now...

Vulcan love slave, anyone?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 01:16:31 PM
not that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 23, 2011, 01:49:50 PM
Just out of curiosity why did people hate Wesley so much?  Yeah he is not great, but he is not super annoying either?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 02:05:17 PM
yeah, as a military man you should be aware of that.  Actual officers who had graduated from the acadamy had to take the shitty shifts while the "acting" ensign got to play starfleet officer.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 23, 2011, 02:14:18 PM
Yeah but TNG was so far removed from anything that resembles the military I try my best to not equate the two.  In TNG, especially in the beginning, they seem to emphasize exploration more than matters of state.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 02:20:04 PM
I agree.  However that doesn't take away the rank structure and chain of comand.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 23, 2011, 02:48:03 PM
yea that's kind of fuzzy in TNG. like Picard got promoted to captain over the stargazer's first officer after he took control when both were injured. So i think merit and ability factor  strongly into promotions and advancements.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 23, 2011, 02:59:13 PM
The fact that Troi has a rank at all is kind of ludicrous, and all you have to do to get promoted is sign up for a test...?  Yeah.

heh I do not remember that one, but we test for rank in the Air force.  At least for the enlisted.  It is more complicated just than that but it is the major part of it.  Also we have chaplains and psychiatrists and they are all officer ranks.  Although I agree its a little annoying in some small ways they treat Troi like that. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 02:59:53 PM
yea that's kind of fuzzy in TNG. like Picard got promoted to captain over the stargazer's first officer after he took control when both were injured. So i think merit and ability factor  strongly into promotions and advancements.

To be fair, we don't know exactly what the circumstances were for Picard's promotion.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 23, 2011, 03:22:32 PM
yea that's kind of fuzzy in TNG. like Picard got promoted to captain over the stargazer's first officer after he took control when both were injured. So i think merit and ability factor  strongly into promotions and advancements.

To be fair, we don't know exactly what the circumstances were for Picard's promotion.
I remember it being mentioned in the ep where the Ferengi discover the remains of the stargazer.

upon further digging they mention it in Memory Alpha too
Quote
When the ship's captain was killed and the first officer injured on the bridge, Picard took command of the situation, and the vessel. (TNG: "Tapestry")
Starfleet Command looked so favorably on Picard's actions they appointed him as the vessel's new commanding officer, a post he held for 22 years. Picard's crew included Jack Crusher and a weapons officer named Vigo. (TNG: "The Battle")

on reading that a few times i realize they dont exactly say how the procedure went. so i agree with you i just posted this to give a little more insight into what happened.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 23, 2011, 05:05:12 PM
She was abrasive, but ultimately a lot warmer and had a sense of humor as well.  Crusher's just a humorless bitch.
Dr. Selar, now...
This video is for all the Pulaski lovers... ;)
http://sfdebris.com/startrek/t127.asp

I don't think he was hard enough on that episode, it was incredibly stupid in so, so many ways.

Most stupid part is the whole "it will become a spore if we dump it in space" bit.  It's like all other technology in Star Fleet suddenly was forgotten.  You know, phasers,  transporters, tractor beams, and the fact that they are on a fraking star ship and could take it to a star and fling it in....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 05:08:00 PM
I don't think he was hard enough on that episode, it was incredibly stupid in so, so many ways.
Most stupid part is the whole "it will become a spore if we dump it in space" bit.  It's like all other technology in Star Fleet suddenly was forgotten.  You know, phasers,  transporters, tractor beams, and the fact that they are on a fraking star ship and could take it to a star and fling it in....
Probably so, but I was most entertained by his critique of how Doctor Pulaski acted like a complete
cun.... temptible person. ;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 23, 2011, 05:57:45 PM
I don't think he was hard enough on that episode, it was incredibly stupid in so, so many ways.
Most stupid part is the whole "it will become a spore if we dump it in space" bit.  It's like all other technology in Star Fleet suddenly was forgotten.  You know, phasers,  transporters, tractor beams, and the fact that they are on a fraking star ship and could take it to a star and fling it in....
Probably so, but I was most entertained by his critique of how Doctor Pulaski acted like a complete
cun.... temptible person. ;D

Yeah, it did take a while for her to find her character, and then she was gone....

Just watched their review of the Voyager episode where Kes left, great review of that one.  I never new 7of9 was going to replace Harry but they kept him because of a People magazine article, makes me even more pissed off that they got rid of Kes.

And going back to "The Child", I think that was the start of many times Troy got "violated".  
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 06:00:29 PM
Troi wasn't happy without a good violation.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 07:18:07 PM
And going back to "The Child", I think that was the start of many times Troy got "violated".  
I never thought about that before but you're right. There was the child, the psychic aliens, and
Shinzon and his Henchmen, so that's at LEAST four times. Troi must be Betazed for "Rape
victim".
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 23, 2011, 07:28:31 PM
watching up the long ladder. how the hell do they find a random old irish colony and clone colony practically next to each other.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 07:38:14 PM
They were on the same ship originally.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 23, 2011, 07:43:34 PM
yea i know but Jesus the friggin odds of the societies developing so differently. and the the enterprise finding them. i can usually suspend my disbelief but this one threw me for a few seconds.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 07:44:33 PM
It's not one of the better episodes.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 07:49:38 PM
Hot irish chick in midriff-baring sweater thing = awesome episode.
Oh FUCK THE HELL YES she was hot. ;D I'll show her that there are snakes in Ireland. I'm sorry, that was probably too subtle for all of us.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 23, 2011, 07:51:40 PM
that i have to agree with. didn't know cleaning your feet  was done from the top down. ;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 07:52:54 PM
that i have to agree with. didn't know cleaning your feet  was done from the top down. ;D
There was a girl from Thailand... who introduced me to Irish chicks with hot thighs man.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 23, 2011, 07:58:10 PM
because of the availability of where i'm getting the eps from, ended up watching that one as last of the second season, i watched the rest just kind of out of order. got the first ep of season 3 now, funny to see bob kelso on the enterprise. good to hear he made it to the 24th century. and it looked like he was being given a colonoscopy by dr. crusher when it cuts to him in sickbay.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 08:00:04 PM
because of the vailability of where i'm getting the eps from, ended up watching that one as last of the second season, i watched the rest just kind of out of order. got the first ep of season 3 now, funny to see bob kelso on the enterprise. and it looked like he was being given a colonoscopy by dr. crusher when it cuts to him in sickbay.
Just don't watch the episode Shades of Grey, it's not just one of the worst TNG episodes, but the poorest excuse for a clipshow ever. If I recall I think they did a clipshow because there was a writer's strike.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 23, 2011, 08:01:24 PM
too late, watched that earlier.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 08:02:58 PM
If I recall, the writers strike was going on through much of season 2.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 08:38:27 PM
If I recall, the writers strike was going on through much of season 2.
That would explain the majority of why the writing was so shitty. You know what's funny is that episode Contagion? Remember the solution to the problem? SHUT DOWN ALL SYSTEMS AND RESTART! Okay, please tell me why nobody would ever think to reboot the fucking Enterprise computer as a solution?!

Of course then Season 2 gave us such Gems(and by gems I mean chunks of shit) like The Royale and The Outrageous Okona, Samaritan snare(You know, where the crew of the Enterprise are outsmarted by fucking retards?), and Time Squared, the one where Picard comes back and sees himself and then shoots himself and sends himself out in a shuttle. That actually sounds a lot more awesome than it actually was...
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 08:48:34 PM
Yeah.  The first two seasons are really rough to watch.  I think the first two seasons of DS9 were better than TNGs.  Good thing they had found their stride by season 3.  For some unexplainable reason The Royale is a guilty pleasue episode for me.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 09:01:23 PM
I like Okona and Time Squared.  And Samaritan Snare was hilarious.
You and I have almost always had very different tastes in Trek.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on October 23, 2011, 09:04:49 PM
I like Okona and Time Squared.  And Samaritan Snare was hilarious.
You and I have almost always had very different tastes in Trek.

It's probably because he doesn't believe in God.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 09:24:27 PM
You know who played the Pakled captain right??   Chris Latta/Collins, the voice of Starscream and Cobra Commander!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
It's probably because he doesn't believe in God.
Can we please not go there again? Because while I would love to defend my faith, it has little to nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
You know who played the Pakled captain right??   Chris Latta/Collins, the voice of Starscream and Cobra Commander!!
We like things that make us go--
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 23, 2011, 10:36:59 PM
i liked samaritan snare. and watching Deja Q right now i realized my top favorite TNG characters are Q, Data, and Picard in that order.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 23, 2011, 11:00:55 PM
Q has some great lines in Q Who.

Capt. Picard: I understand what you've done here, Q. But I think the lesson could have been learned without the loss of 18 members of my crew.

Q: If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 23, 2011, 11:13:05 PM
I like Okona and Time Squared.  And Samaritan Snare was hilarious.

I'll agree on Okona but you liked Time Squared?  I can't stand that one.

Samaritan Snare, meh.  A race that plays dumber than they really are to steal from other races, hard to figure out how they would get started in the first place.

Season 2 does have some real stinkers, but most are good, and several are great.  The writers strike didn't start until the end of the season, so you can't blame it for the stinkers other than the clip show with Riker in a coma.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 23, 2011, 11:14:42 PM
I like Okona and Time Squared.  And Samaritan Snare was hilarious.

I'll agree on Okona but you liked Time Squared?  I can't stand that one.

Samaritan Snare, meh.  A race that plays dumber than they really are to steal from other races, hard to figure out how they would get started in the first place.

Season 2 does have some real stinkers, but most are good, and several are great.  The writers strike didn't start until the end of the season, so you can't blame it for the stinkers other than the clip show with Riker in a coma.
so tv show writers just go on strike every decade or so huh?

EDIT: just remembered, those pakled idiots were the ones who rescued Lore weren't they?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 23, 2011, 11:24:13 PM
Season 2 also has "Elementary, My Dear Data", does it not?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 23, 2011, 11:25:56 PM
I like Okona and Time Squared.  And Samaritan Snare was hilarious.

I'll agree on Okona but you liked Time Squared?  I can't stand that one.

Samaritan Snare, meh.  A race that plays dumber than they really are to steal from other races, hard to figure out how they would get started in the first place.

Season 2 does have some real stinkers, but most are good, and several are great.  The writers strike didn't start until the end of the season, so you can't blame it for the stinkers other than the clip show with Riker in a coma.
so tv show writers just go on strike every decade or so huh?

EDIT: just remembered, those pakled idiots were the ones who rescued Lore weren't they?

Yes, they are responsible for Lore returning.   Those episodes were some mediocre ones at best, especially since they were a season cliffhanger and next season opener.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 23, 2011, 11:29:21 PM
Season 2 also has "Elementary, My Dear Data", does it not?

Yes.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 23, 2011, 11:33:21 PM
just one of many the holodeck is screwed up episodes. one of   the better ones,

edit: just watched the offspring. kinda creepy in the beginning but it got a lot better as it went along.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 24, 2011, 05:35:06 AM
edit: just watched the offspring. kinda creepy in the beginning but it got a lot better as it went along.
Kind of like the Band! Except without the whole getting better thing...
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 09:47:41 AM

Samaritan Snare, meh.  A race that plays dumber than they really are to steal from other races, hard to figure out how they would get started in the first place.

I'm not sure that they're playing dumber; they're playing slightly more helpless, but I do think they're incredibly stupid.  It's what the average mouth-breathing Walmart patron would be like in space.

"We like power!"

My thought is how would a race like that get into space in the first place?  Were they smart and then just got lazy once they got into space?

Even if they evolved in a system with 2 intelligent races, they would have to repeatedly take advantage of the other one to get warp drive.  So the other race would have to be extremely gullible.   
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 10:18:33 AM

Samaritan Snare, meh.  A race that plays dumber than they really are to steal from other races, hard to figure out how they would get started in the first place.

I'm not sure that they're playing dumber; they're playing slightly more helpless, but I do think they're incredibly stupid.  It's what the average mouth-breathing Walmart patron would be like in space.

"We like power!"

My thought is how would a race like that get into space in the first place?  Were they smart and then just got lazy once they got into space?

Even if they evolved in a system with 2 intelligent races, they would have to repeatedly take advantage of the other one to get warp drive.  So the other race would have to be extremely gullible.   
if the Vogons can get into space, I think the Pakleds can too.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 24, 2011, 10:52:17 AM
Nog says in the epside Little Green Men that the Ferengi had to buy warp drive, so it's possible other species did likewise.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 11:10:18 AM

Samaritan Snare, meh.  A race that plays dumber than they really are to steal from other races, hard to figure out how they would get started in the first place.

I'm not sure that they're playing dumber; they're playing slightly more helpless, but I do think they're incredibly stupid.  It's what the average mouth-breathing Walmart patron would be like in space.

"We like power!"

My thought is how would a race like that get into space in the first place?  Were they smart and then just got lazy once they got into space?

Even if they evolved in a system with 2 intelligent races, they would have to repeatedly take advantage of the other one to get warp drive.  So the other race would have to be extremely gullible.   

Why? Why couldn't a race have shown up and sold them shitty tech? Seems like the Ferengi would.

Or, to put it another way, how many people who use computers actually know how to use them well?  Or people who drive cars--what percentage know how to fix them? I certainly don't.

It generally seems MORE likely, in fact, that spacefaring races would be full of people like the Pakleds instead of really smart, competent people like Starfleet types.

The problem is they portray the entire race being unable to fix their own stuff.  You might not know how to fix your car but you know there are members of your own race that can.  And even if some other race sold them some tech it's a stretch to think they could develop it to the point where traveling between stars would be as easy as driving a car.  Their backstory isn't well developed so maybe there are Pakled engineers.

Only other way to make it work as portrayed would be that they have zero imagination, and can only follow instructions exactly, so are unable to cope with breakdowns that aren't covered in the user manual.  On the home world this broken equipment would simply be discarded but out in space they prey on others to get it fixed.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: eegah on October 24, 2011, 11:22:53 AM
Assignment Earth was BORING AS FUCK.

Really?  I always thought Terry Garr was good in it.  It's got some funny moments.  It's not a favorite but never thought it was boring.

From what I read it was sort of a pilot for a proposed spin-off show that never happened.

The whole "I'm sure you'll have many adventures" (or however it was worded) send-off is hilarious, since it never happened.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 24, 2011, 11:24:19 AM
Quote
Only other way to make it work as portrayed would be that they have zero imagination

I like the idea of a race of aliens without imagination.  That actually sounds like something cool for TNG to explore. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 12:49:57 PM
Quote
Only other way to make it work as portrayed would be that they have zero imagination
I like the idea of a race of aliens without imagination.  That actually sounds like something cool for TNG to explore.  

It could lead to some interesting debates on intelligence.  Can you have intelligence without imagination?  You would think imagination would be a required evolutionary trait to develop intelligence, but what if it was then lost once natural selection gets trumped by culture and technology.  Advances in medicine and general technology coupled with cultural habits could easily allow for genetic traits that would not normally be passed on to become dominate.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 01:18:04 PM
I don't think they don't have imagination; they're just stupid.  Perhaps rampant breeding is their only survival mechanism.

 Did you read what I wrote several posts back?  If they were as stupid as you say (and are portrayed in the episode) they would have trouble driving a car let alone a star ship.  So in order for a race like that to exist there has to be other explanations. 

 If it were a one off thing, used as a social commentary that's fine, disbelief could be suspended, but then they go and use them in other stories...
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 24, 2011, 01:23:57 PM
I think they are just lazy and don't have a lot of motivation.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 01:24:32 PM
Assignment Earth was BORING AS FUCK.

Really?  I always thought Terry Garr was good in it.  It's got some funny moments.  It's not a favorite but never thought it was boring.

From what I read it was sort of a pilot for a proposed spin-off show that never happened.

The whole "I'm sure you'll have many adventures" (or however it was worded) send-off is hilarious, since it never happened.

They say the enterprise record tapes show they will have adventures...  Which they did, we just never got so see them because they were not filmed.

[Jon Stewart finger in ear mode]
Ah, I'm being told Star Trek isn't real...
[/Jon Stewart finger in ear mode]
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 01:32:02 PM
I think they are just lazy and don't have a lot of motivation.

Then they should be sitting at home on the couch, not out wandering the galaxy....  ;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 01:33:52 PM
there were a lot of them just sort of doing that at Quark's bar.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 01:44:13 PM
edit: just watched the offspring. kinda creepy in the beginning but it got a lot better as it went along.

Yeah, it seemed like it was going in the "wacky" direction at the start, then it got serious, then sad...

 Watched the Voyager episode where Kes returned as a old women, I shouldn't have, I forgot how awful a last sendoff for Kes it was.
 And talk about paradoxes, that episode was full of them.  I remember one of the many other time travel episodes where they were in a meeting at the end and I think it was Kim that asked about some paradox and Janeway gave some lame "sometimes it's too hard to think about" excuse, I wonder if that was up on the wall in the writers room for most of Voyager?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 01:48:50 PM
there's a book that was written recently ( cant't remember the name) that is based off the idea that there exists in the federation a division of starfleet dedicated to defending the "temporal prime directive" and as the story unfolds, they mention those paradoxes and how they're not really paradoxes. it's a bit technical to bend your mind around but it seems to make sense.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 24, 2011, 01:56:23 PM
There were also the guys from temporal investigations in Trials and Tribblations.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 02:18:38 PM
There were also the guys from temporal investigations in Trials and Tribblations.

I think that was the first time they show up, don't remember hearing about them before that.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 02:28:46 PM
yea Lucsley and Dulmer were the main characters of the book.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 24, 2011, 02:35:52 PM
Back to season 3 of TOS. I liked the chick with the purple dress and purple thigh highs. I am going to have to wear that as a Halloween costume next year
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 02:36:49 PM
I don't think they don't have imagination; they're just stupid.  Perhaps rampant breeding is their only survival mechanism.

 Did you read what I wrote several posts back?  If they were as stupid as you say (and are portrayed in the episode) they would have trouble driving a car let alone a star ship.  So in order for a race like that to exist there has to be other explanations. 

 If it were a one off thing, used as a social commentary that's fine, disbelief could be suspended, but then they go and use them in other stories...

Did you not read my reply? I know a lot of really, REALLY stupid people who use computers and drive cars.

That's not the point, I guess I'll have to quote myself:

The problem is they portray the entire race being unable to fix their own stuff.  You might not know how to fix your car but you know there are members of your own race that can.  And even if some other race sold them some tech it's a stretch to think they could develop it to the point where traveling between stars would be as easy as driving a car.  Their backstory isn't well developed so maybe there are Pakled engineers.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 02:53:39 PM
Back to season 3 of TOS. I liked the chick with the purple dress and purple thigh highs. I am going to have to wear that as a Halloween costume next year

What episode was that?  I was going to ask if it was the Romulan commander outfit but I thought those thigh high boots were black?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 02:55:39 PM
I don't think they don't have imagination; they're just stupid.  Perhaps rampant breeding is their only survival mechanism.

 Did you read what I wrote several posts back?  If they were as stupid as you say (and are portrayed in the episode) they would have trouble driving a car let alone a star ship.  So in order for a race like that to exist there has to be other explanations.  

 If it were a one off thing, used as a social commentary that's fine, disbelief could be suspended, but then they go and use them in other stories...

Did you not read my reply? I know a lot of really, REALLY stupid people who use computers and drive cars.

That's not the point, I guess I'll have to quote myself:

The problem is they portray the entire race being unable to fix their own stuff.  You might not know how to fix your car but you know there are members of your own race that can.  And even if some other race sold them some tech it's a stretch to think they could develop it to the point where traveling between stars would be as easy as driving a car.  Their backstory isn't well developed so maybe there are Pakled engineers.
even the borg didn't want anything to do with them. when they met the borg at first they were viewed as being too stupid to enter the collective and that it would be a waste of resources. and as for how they manage to get spaceships, not every galactic civilization out there obeys the prime directive and practices non-interference. and there's that old saying that goes Given enough time, a hypothetical monkey typing at random would, as part of its output, almost surely produce all of Shakespeare's plays.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 24, 2011, 03:00:22 PM
Back to season 3 of TOS. I liked the chick with the purple dress and purple thigh highs. I am going to have to wear that as a Halloween costume next year

What episode was that?  I was going to ask if it was the Romulan commander outfit but I thought those thigh high boots were black?

Spock's Brain. She was the head of brain takers
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 03:07:17 PM
Back to season 3 of TOS. I liked the chick with the purple dress and purple thigh highs. I am going to have to wear that as a Halloween costume next year

What episode was that?  I was going to ask if it was the Romulan commander outfit but I thought those thigh high boots were black?

Spock's Brain. She was the head of brain takers

Ah, yes, those outfits.  Only thing worth watching that episode for....

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XNPD380IpBQ/Sk9zbFJN7YI/AAAAAAAAHqI/2I4F7R4p70o/s400/P219_14_spocksbrain.jpg)

Hmmm, "Brain Takers", sounds like some kind of garage band, with their hit "brain and brain, what it brain?".  ;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
captain Picard just called barclay broccoli. gets me every time. ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 24, 2011, 08:32:52 PM
Its even funny in german

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc5_udvu8ZQ
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 08:34:55 PM
and the way data just stops in the middle of what he was saying and turns away, it's great. and what happened with the phantom post sideswipe?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 24, 2011, 08:43:45 PM
what the fuck is the seceret to imbedding youtube videos on this forum??
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 24, 2011, 08:52:38 PM
what the fuck is the seceret to imbedding youtube videos on this forum??

On the YouTube page, click the 'Share' button, then click the 'Embed' button, then check the box labeled 'Use old embed code'. Copy the url within the embed code and put that inside the flash tags, and then specify the size at the beginning of the flash tag.

Here's what your final code should look like:

Code: [Select]
[flash=420,345]http://www.youtube.com/v/p6xgewsUHqY?version=3&hl=en_US[/flash]
http://www.youtube.com/v/p6xgewsUHqY?version=3&hl=en_US
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 24, 2011, 08:53:23 PM
here is the embed code:
Quote
<object width="420" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nc5_udvu8ZQ?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nc5_udvu8ZQ?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="420" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
you have to take out this part form the embed source:
Quote
http://www.youtube.com/v/nc5_udvu8ZQ?
and put it in flash tags
edit: yeah what he said
http://www.youtube.com/v/nc5_udvu8ZQ?


Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 24, 2011, 08:59:27 PM
captain Picard just called barclay broccoli. gets me every time. ;D ;D :D


http://www.youtube.com/v/X6hsgg2QQxM
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 24, 2011, 09:26:06 PM
captain Picard just called barclay broccoli. gets me every time. ;D ;D :D


http://www.youtube.com/v/X6hsgg2QQxM

My favorite part was at the end when they superimposed a piece of broccoli over Barclay's face.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 24, 2011, 09:51:26 PM
Haha, yeah.  That was why I quoted shodan.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 10:33:14 PM
Funny, I was just watching the Voyager episodes with Reg...  Troi on the beach looking quite hot in one.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 24, 2011, 11:07:24 PM
Funny, I was just watching the Voyager episodes with Reg...  Troi on the beach looking quite hot in one.
That was the episode where Troi's boobs fell out when Barclay took a foil to the straps of her dress.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 25, 2011, 12:08:01 AM
episode Sarek:
dr crusher: well i hit Wesley! i've never hit him before in his life.!
Troi: and how did that make you feel
Dr. Crusher (in my head): it felt... great! im gonna beat the crap outta that snot nosed punk on a daily basis!.
Troi (in my head): i wholeheartedly agree. give him a slap for me.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 25, 2011, 12:17:14 AM
episode Sarek:
dr crusher: well i hit Wesley! i've never hit him before in his life.!
Troi: and how did that make you feel
Dr. Crusher (in my head): it felt... great! im gonna beat the crap outta that snot nosed punk on a daily basis!.
Troi (in my head): i wholeheartedly agree. give him a slap for me.
In the rejected version of the  script, Doctor Crusher said "I'm gonna fuck him up!"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 25, 2011, 12:22:11 AM
i just realized i'm riffing the episodes in my head as i watch them.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 25, 2011, 01:11:21 AM
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5373/unled1dk.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 25, 2011, 01:14:24 AM
last ep for the night. amnesiac alien turns into glow person whose voice is clearly muffled by the full body suit. goodnight.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 25, 2011, 01:17:14 PM
I just watched the season 7 episode "Thine own self". Very good episode. Data loses his memory and the radioactive rocks in this case he has are distributed and cause a plague. They assume Data is the cause and at the last minute, Data saves them before some ignorant jackass impales him on a pitchfork. It was an ending very reminiscent of the classic Twilight zone series.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 25, 2011, 01:29:46 PM
And Troi earns her merit badge.
YUUUUP.... by sending Geordi to his death. No more reading rainbow for you! If you ask me though it was a bad idea for Troi to be eligible to take the helm...
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 25, 2011, 01:47:15 PM
Are you channeling Doc?
Did Doc die? Because if so... no, i'm not into that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 25, 2011, 02:45:34 PM
If you ask me though it was a bad idea for Troi to be eligible to take the helm...

Why?  In Disaster she held it together OK.  Only thing I would find lacking would be technical knowledge, I think people of command rank should know the ship well enough to make technical decisions without needing to ask how something works.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 25, 2011, 02:55:39 PM
If you ask me though it was a bad idea for Troi to be eligible to take the helm...
Why?  
You never saw Star Trek Generations did you? What's the FIRST thing Deanna did when she took the helm? That's right! She crashed the goddamn ship!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 25, 2011, 03:00:14 PM
If you ask me though it was a bad idea for Troi to be eligible to take the helm...
Why?  
You never saw Star Trek Generations did you? What's the FIRST thing Deanna did when she took the helm? That's right! She crashed the goddamn ship!
I think she was on her cellphone in that scene.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 25, 2011, 03:04:46 PM
I think she was on her cellphone in that scene.
The stupid thing is that there was absolutely no reason the saucer section had to crash. It's obviously capable of going warp speed, but then again, if Riker couldn't figure out how to destroy a severely outdated Bird-of-prey without shields, I doubt he could even park a scooter without causing a nuclear meltdown.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 25, 2011, 03:16:00 PM
I think she was on her cellphone in that scene.
The stupid thing is that there was absolutely no reason the saucer section had to crash. It's obviously capable of going warp speed, but then again, if Riker couldn't figure out how to destroy a severely outdated Bird-of-prey without shields, I doubt he could even park a scooter without causing a nuclear meltdown.
yea well who do you think troi was texting to?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 25, 2011, 03:46:10 PM
If you ask me though it was a bad idea for Troi to be eligible to take the helm...
Why?  
You never saw Star Trek Generations did you? What's the FIRST thing Deanna did when she took the helm? That's right! She crashed the goddamn ship!

You know darn well that was all Riker's fault (classic girlfriend driving the car getting blamed for the robbery scenario), or Geordi for not running tests on his visor after being captured ( I guess they learned nothing from "The Mind's Eye").

And that crash scene has some of the worst camera work in all of star trek, zoom, zoom, zoom.  :gouge:
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 25, 2011, 03:55:19 PM
If you ask me though it was a bad idea for Troi to be eligible to take the helm...

Why?  In Disaster she held it together OK.  Only thing I would find lacking would be technical knowledge, I think people of command rank should know the ship well enough to make technical decisions without needing to ask how something works.

Heh this concept is funny to me.  I can not imagine a captain of an aircraft carrier having knowledge that in depth. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 25, 2011, 04:37:47 PM
If you ask me though it was a bad idea for Troi to be eligible to take the helm...

Why?  In Disaster she held it together OK.  Only thing I would find lacking would be technical knowledge, I think people of command rank should know the ship well enough to make technical decisions without needing to ask how something works.

Heh this concept is funny to me.  I can not imagine a captain of an aircraft carrier having knowledge that in depth. 

Really?  I thought captains in the Navy had to know a lot about that stuff.  At least I think it's true aboard submarines...
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 25, 2011, 07:42:51 PM
the first few episodes of season 4 are classics. very good.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 25, 2011, 07:45:00 PM
If you ask me though it was a bad idea for Troi to be eligible to take the helm...

Why?  In Disaster she held it together OK.  Only thing I would find lacking would be technical knowledge, I think people of command rank should know the ship well enough to make technical decisions without needing to ask how something works.

Heh this concept is funny to me.  I can not imagine a captain of an aircraft carrier having knowledge that in depth. 

Really?  I thought captains in the Navy had to know a lot about that stuff.  At least I think it's true aboard submarines...

They know a ton of stuff, because o-6s and up always know a ton of shit, very few get that far that dont but its not like they can fix the ship.  Same with pilots. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 25, 2011, 07:56:58 PM


OH and I am watching The Samaritan Snare.  I just realized Worf is totally right.  They assumed they are dumb based on a bias not on actual information.  I think the pakleds are playing on that bias.  Also the I think the Pakleds only fail because they sent their very capable chief engineer instead of a peon.  
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 25, 2011, 08:02:58 PM
thats the impression I get also.  Also I thin they would rather the nice Federation types fix their shit, why do it themselves.

As for season 4.  I think the second episode, Family is a great character piece.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 25, 2011, 09:12:40 PM
yeah, that was fucked up.  There wasn't even a decent reason for that to happen.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 25, 2011, 11:05:49 PM
Yep, kinda shitty. So it takes that nice, hopeful ending and makes it bitter and unpleasant.  Kinda like Alien3 shits on Aliens.
No, you're exactly right. The more I think about it the more fucking stupid it is. We see Picard's Nephew and brother once and then never ever see them again except in photo. So they die horribly and this has no purpose whatsoever except for the illusion of closure of... something for Picard that was never there to begin with. I still don't get Picard's extreme reaction to their death in Generations. He hardly ever saw them! By that time it had been at least 3 years since he last saw them, so why should he start bawling if he didn't care enough to go back and see them in 3 years? You know, Ronald D. Moore actually wrote some very good episodes of TNG and DS9, so there's no excuse for him. But for Brannon Braga and Rick Berman, those idiots never did anything good! They don't know any better.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 26, 2011, 01:16:59 AM
Yep, kinda shitty. So it takes that nice, hopeful ending and makes it bitter and unpleasant.  Kinda like Alien3 shits on Aliens.
No, you're exactly right. The more I think about it the more fucking stupid it is. We see Picard's Nephew and brother once and then never ever see them again except in photo. So they die horribly and this has no purpose whatsoever except for the illusion of closure of... something for Picard that was never there to begin with. I still don't get Picard's extreme reaction to their death in Generations. He hardly ever saw them! By that time it had been at least 3 years since he last saw them, so why should he start bawling if he didn't care enough to go back and see them in 3 years? You know, Ronald D. Moore actually wrote some very good episodes of TNG and DS9, so there's no excuse for him. But for Brannon Braga and Rick Berman, those idiots never did anything good! They don't know any better.

Pretty much that entire movie is written like they got out a really cheap screenwriting cliche book and randomly picked from the " how make your audience care" section.  Hell, they probably crashed the ship just so they could have the "Data finds his cat in the rubble" scene....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 26, 2011, 10:49:00 AM
We don't know for a fact that Picard didn't see them again after that.  He could have stopped by anytime they were close to Earth or on Shore Leave.  And even if he didn't, he probably kept in touch.  And besides that, they're his family.  Even if he didn't get along with his brother, he still loved him.  How should he have reacted to their deaths?  By saying "Oh.  That sucks.  Oh well.  Life goes on.  Who's hungry?"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 26, 2011, 11:06:00 AM
Yeah, I don't have a problem with Picard's reaction, but the cheap stunt the writers pulled to get it.  There are plenty of ways they could have gotten Picard to start down the emotional path they wanted, but instead of having something develop during the first half of the movie they did it in one shot by killing off his family.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 26, 2011, 12:37:53 PM
he says in the episode family that he and his sister in law have been writing to each other.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 26, 2011, 08:10:35 PM
We don't know for a fact that Picard didn't see them again after that.  He could have stopped by anytime they were close to Earth or on Shore Leave.  And even if he didn't, he probably kept in touch.  And besides that, they're his family.  Even if he didn't get along with his brother, he still loved him.  How should he have reacted to their deaths?  By saying "Oh.  That sucks.  Oh well.  Life goes on.  Who's hungry?"
My point is we never saw him interact with them more than once, therefore why should we think Picard cares? I don't think he ever talked about them more than once either(again, that we saw). I'm probably overreacting but like someone else said earlier, it was a cheap stunt designed to make the captain of the Enterprise look like a weak little pussy. Hell, later in Generations, Kirk has no problem holding onto a pan that's probably over 200 degrees and Picard burns his hands on it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 26, 2011, 08:22:55 PM
I think the point dalty was trying to make is, we don't know what he did off screen.  Just because we only see him visit once on screen, doesn't mean he didn't go back on leave, or talk to them over subspace.  It looked like he had made amends by the end of the episode, there is no reason for him not to keep in contact.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 26, 2011, 08:51:27 PM
I think the point dalty was trying to make is, we don't know what he did off screen.  Just because we only see him visit once on screen, doesn't mean he didn't go back on leave, or talk to them over subspace.  It looked like he had made amends by the end of the episode, there is no reason for him not to keep in contact.
But for us to see how much they actually mean to him is important. I'm not saying it's anything like Anakin Skywalker murdering Sand people over the death of his mother but... actually yeah I am kinda saying that. The fact that we never saw Anakin go back to save his mother in 10 years or the Jedi saving her begs the question too much. I never saw Picard go back to them so I am astounded that this Captain of a Starship who has lost so many people, so many people in his life, been stabbed through the heart with a giant knife just completely loses it not for minutes, but for hours, whereas Captain Kirk upon learning of the death of his son loses his composure for 90 seconds at the most before getting that composure back. The only reason the death of Kirk's son worked so much better was because it was such a short time just after Kirk learned he had a son and was still getting to know him.

It's just.... I tend to argue for the component of the "if it's so damn important, it should happen in the movie" argument.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 26, 2011, 08:55:47 PM
Quote
The fact that we never saw Anakin go back to save his mother in 10 years or the Jedi saving her begs the question too much.
expanded universe
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 26, 2011, 08:56:52 PM
Quote
The fact that we never saw Anakin go back to save his mother in 10 years or the Jedi saving her begs the question too much.
expanded universe

Also known as "filling in all the giant plot holes universe"
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on October 26, 2011, 09:06:14 PM
We don't know for a fact that Picard didn't see them again after that.  He could have stopped by anytime they were close to Earth or on Shore Leave.  And even if he didn't, he probably kept in touch.  And besides that, they're his family.  Even if he didn't get along with his brother, he still loved him.  How should he have reacted to their deaths?  By saying "Oh.  That sucks.  Oh well.  Life goes on.  Who's hungry?"

Come on. Picard's daughter helped Rene with those horse races. I'm sure Jean-Luc was there too.

No, you won't understand that reference. Dalty will though.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 27, 2011, 12:46:13 AM
A matter of time: WOOHOO TEMPORAL PRIME DIRECTIVE!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 27, 2011, 09:17:22 AM
A matter of time: WOOHOO TEMPORAL PRIME DIRECTIVE!
You can't violate the prime directive!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 27, 2011, 12:18:25 PM
We don't know for a fact that Picard didn't see them again after that.  He could have stopped by anytime they were close to Earth or on Shore Leave.  And even if he didn't, he probably kept in touch.  And besides that, they're his family.  Even if he didn't get along with his brother, he still loved him.  How should he have reacted to their deaths?  By saying "Oh.  That sucks.  Oh well.  Life goes on.  Who's hungry?"

Come on. Picard's daughter helped Rene with those horse races. I'm sure Jean-Luc was there too.

No, you won't understand that reference. Dalty will though.

You mean the reference to Princess Captain Marissa Amber Flores Picard, Captain of the Endeavor, Heir to the Throne of the Royal House Of Essex, Commander of all the Kids Crews in Starfleet, Consort of Jay Gordon, and Lover of all things Strawberry Related?  Nope.*  Sorry never heard of her.

*It's Chuck Testa 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 27, 2011, 12:21:03 PM
Also, Gunflyer, I'm pretty sure Kirk knew he had a son, it was just that Carol didn't want Kirk to be a part of David's life.  Kirk says to her something like "I did what you wanted.  I stayed away" in reference to David.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 27, 2011, 12:25:11 PM
We don't know for a fact that Picard didn't see them again after that.  He could have stopped by anytime they were close to Earth or on Shore Leave.  And even if he didn't, he probably kept in touch.  And besides that, they're his family.  Even if he didn't get along with his brother, he still loved him.  How should he have reacted to their deaths?  By saying "Oh.  That sucks.  Oh well.  Life goes on.  Who's hungry?"

Come on. Picard's daughter helped Rene with those horse races. I'm sure Jean-Luc was there too.

No, you won't understand that reference. Dalty will though.

You mean the reference to Princess Captain Marissa Amber Flores Picard, Captain of the Endeavor, Heir to the Throne of the Royal House Of Essex, Commander of all the Kids Crews in Starfleet, Consort of Jay Gordon, and Lover of all things Strawberry Related?  Nope.*  Sorry never heard of her.

*It's Chuck Testa 

Yay, shitty fan fiction!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 27, 2011, 12:47:50 PM
I'm pretty sure Kirk knew he had a son, it was just that Carol didn't want Kirk to be a part of David's life.  Kirk says to her something like "I did what you wanted.  I stayed away" in reference to David.

Yeah, in STII the built up slowly, with Kirk's birthday getting him depressed, meeting his estranged son that hates him at first sight, setting him up for the bigger blow to come...

That's the way it could have been done in Generations, but they used the cheap and easy way.  Also they didn't need such a shattering traumatic event, a few little scenes of regret that he never had a family would have been all the setup necessary for him creating that life in the nexus.  In the nexus they could have had him with a family aboard ship, still captain + having a family, that would have been an even harder fantasy one for him to leave.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on October 27, 2011, 06:14:11 PM
I watched the episode of Voyager where Q's son made Seven of Nine naked... and... honestly the sears lingerie catalog is far more titillating than that scene.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 27, 2011, 06:17:32 PM
heh heh, you said tit.

sorry.  Beavis an Butthead are on tonight.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 27, 2011, 06:21:27 PM
heh heh, you said tit.

sorry.  Beavis an Butthead are on tonight.
Uh huh huh th'that was cool! Uh huh huh..
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 27, 2011, 08:25:40 PM
I watched the episode of Voyager where Q's son made Seven of Nine naked... and... honestly the sears lingerie catalog is far more titillating than that scene.

Really this is a thing?  Like not a joke but a thing they did on voyager?  sad.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 27, 2011, 09:28:25 PM
I watched the episode of Voyager where Q's son made Seven of Nine naked... and... honestly the sears lingerie catalog is far more titillating than that scene.

Really this is a thing?  Like not a joke but a thing they did on voyager?  sad.

Yup, they did it, but only showed the upper half of her back, oohhhh, shoulder blades......
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 27, 2011, 09:43:04 PM
I just realize that no version of the enterprise contains a legal expert. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 27, 2011, 09:45:41 PM
nope all you have is the JAG that are on the star bases.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 27, 2011, 09:47:26 PM
So when Picard needs someone to analyze a treaty or court martial someone or decide whether or not something violates the prime directive so on and so forth he is out of luck. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 27, 2011, 09:47:42 PM
there could be.  It's just that none of the main characters are JAG.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 27, 2011, 09:48:15 PM
no they have data who has an encyclopedic knowledge of starfleet regulations.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 27, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
That's an interesting point about JAG being only at bases, not on even the biggest ships. 

I guess they didn't want it to seem too military, or more precisely Soviet military, wouldn't want it to look like they had a KGB official on every ship....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 27, 2011, 09:58:43 PM
I just watched the ensigns of command and that is where it stuck out.  Picard needed someone to dig through a lengthy and confusing treaty, data was not available, and all through my brain I  kept thinking doesn't he have someone for this. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 27, 2011, 09:59:03 PM
there isn't anything that says there are no JAG personell on starships.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on October 27, 2011, 11:40:47 PM
I just realize that no version of the enterprise contains a legal expert. 

The Federation's a utopia. Why would there be lawyers there?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 27, 2011, 11:42:05 PM
I just realize that no version of the enterprise contains a legal expert. 

The Federation's a utopia. Why would there be lawyers there?

As we pointed out there are lawyers on starbases, just none documented (thanks side) on starships. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 28, 2011, 12:54:20 AM
I just realize that no version of the enterprise contains a legal expert. 

The Federation's a utopia. Why would there be lawyers there?

 :clap: :clap: :clap:

Wait, isn't there a Marissa story where one of her Kids Crew cronies is a lawyer?  If not, someone should get Ratliff on that right away.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Thrifty on October 30, 2011, 06:28:35 PM
Up to season 6 episode 15 of Deep Space Nine.  The first few episodes of the season, where
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
was pretty great, but the Deus Ex Machina ending sucked.

Also,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
mental breakdown was great.

One thing I can't understand is how anyone in the Federation pays for anything at Quark's bar, when everyone in the Federation works for free.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 30, 2011, 06:42:07 PM
Yeah, that is kind of a head scratcher.

I like Quark and Garaks conversation about the Federation and root beer.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 30, 2011, 06:45:29 PM
maybe the bajoran's pay them a stipend.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 30, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
Yeah, that is kind of a head scratcher.

I like Quark and Garaks conversation about the Federation and root beer.

Its a great conversation.  I like how they find hope in it. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 30, 2011, 07:11:59 PM
what they say about root beer is true too. hated the stuff first time i tried it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on October 30, 2011, 07:17:31 PM
I just realize that no version of the enterprise contains a legal expert. 

The Federation's a utopia. Why would there be lawyers there?

 :clap: :clap: :clap:

Wait, isn't there a Marissa story where one of her Kids Crew cronies is a lawyer?  If not, someone should get Ratliff on that right away.

You're thinking of Premier(e) Ma(r)qui(s). And Worf was the lawyer in that one.

It went about as well as you'd expect.

(Sigh, why do I remember this stuff?)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: mattwnelson on October 30, 2011, 08:55:01 PM
Yeah, that is kind of a head scratcher.

I like Quark and Garaks conversation about the Federation and root beer.

Its a great conversation.  I like how they find hope in it. 

I just watched that ep! That conversation is so well-acted... it's actually one of my favorite moments in the series.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 30, 2011, 09:01:17 PM
They both have some serious chops.  Armin Shimmerman as Andrew Ryan in Boishock was genius.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: mattwnelson on October 30, 2011, 11:26:54 PM
Just finished Shatner's documentary "The Captains". Fairly entertaining, though Avery Brooks seems to be a strange man.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on October 31, 2011, 01:13:51 AM
I just realize that no version of the enterprise contains a legal expert. 

The Federation's a utopia. Why would there be lawyers there?

 :clap: :clap: :clap:

Wait, isn't there a Marissa story where one of her Kids Crew cronies is a lawyer?  If not, someone should get Ratliff on that right away.

You're thinking of Premier(e) Ma(r)qui(s). And Worf was the lawyer in that one.

It went about as well as you'd expect.

(Sigh, why do I remember this stuff?)

Don't forget both Riker and Data were lawyers in Royal and Prime Directives.  That was a fun one.  Seriously I really enjoyed working on it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 31, 2011, 09:39:03 AM
They both have some serious chops.  Armin Shimmerman as Andrew Ryan in Boishock was genius.

HOLY CRAP I totally did not realize that. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on October 31, 2011, 09:46:40 AM
They both have some serious chops.  Armin Shimmerman as Andrew Ryan in Boishock was genius.

HOLY CRAP I totally did not realize that. 
would you kindly give me all your gold pressed latinum.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 31, 2011, 09:47:48 AM
Maybe I ought to replay that game one more time. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Thrifty on October 31, 2011, 09:48:38 AM
Watched "In the Pale Moonlight" from season 6 of DS9 yesterday.  It was the episode where Sisko and Garek cook up a plan to convince the Romulans to join them in the war against The Dominion.  Garak's plan was brilliant, and Sisko's furious reaction when he realizes Garak's secret backup plan was great.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 31, 2011, 09:51:05 AM
ITS A FAKE!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on October 31, 2011, 02:24:00 PM
ITS A FAKE!
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/rvr2/02/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-crap.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on October 31, 2011, 06:24:34 PM
Watched "In the Pale Moonlight" from season 6 of DS9 yesterday.  It was the episode where Sisko and Garek cook up a plan to convince the Romulans to join them in the war against The Dominion.  Garak's plan was brilliant, and Sisko's furious reaction when he realizes Garak's secret backup plan was great.

Best part was that it wasn't really the backup plan.  it was Garak's plan all along.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Thrifty on October 31, 2011, 06:48:42 PM
Watched "In the Pale Moonlight" from season 6 of DS9 yesterday.  It was the episode where Sisko and Garek cook up a plan to convince the Romulans to join them in the war against The Dominion.  Garak's plan was brilliant, and Sisko's furious reaction when he realizes Garak's secret backup plan was great.

Best part was that it wasn't really the backup plan.  it was Garak's plan all along.
Yeah but I was referring to it as the backup plan because he said that he hoped that the Romulan Senator would fall for the fake holographic recording even though he doubted it would.

Garak is all around a great character.  There's something about his voice and face that seems so accessible yet so sinister.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 31, 2011, 07:12:13 PM
Garak always seems like he knows more about what is going on than everyone around him.  It makes him very fun to watch. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on October 31, 2011, 07:15:47 PM

Yeah but I was referring to it as the backup plan because he said that he hoped that the Romulan Senator would fall for the fake holographic recording even though he doubted it would.

Garak is all around a great character.  There's something about his voice and face that seems so accessible yet so sinister.

But was it ever really his backup plan, I don't think for a second his plan never included killing the senator.  He just had to lie to Sisko.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on October 31, 2011, 07:43:47 PM
That is one of my all time favorite episodes.  Garak is masterfully payed(as always) and there are so much great dialogue.  The fact that Sisko comes around to seeing Garak's point of view is something I really like.  That he is able to live with himself that he is an accessory to murder and conspiracy to get the Romulans to join the war.  It was a gutsy move, something I don't think Picard would have ever done.  I liked it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on October 31, 2011, 07:51:59 PM
So I am watching season 3. So far I have seen the infamous Spock's Brain, the I AM KIROCK episode (which I was not a fan of) and now I am watching And the Children will Lead. This episode is def amazing. I am glad not all of season 3 is Spock's Brain.



On a related note:
pocket full of groovy
‎send the silly satellite another crappy movie!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 01, 2011, 04:56:51 AM
 back on track watching TNG, The Inner Light is such a great episode.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 01, 2011, 08:53:46 AM
So I am watching season 3. So far I have seen the infamous Spock's Brain, the I AM KIROCK episode (which I was not a fan of) and now I am watching And the Children will Lead. This episode is def amazing. I am glad not all of season 3 is Spock's Brain.

Did you watch the one with the Romuans (should have been the one after spock's brain if you are going in order)?  That might be my favorite from season 3.  Can't really say much about it without spoilers.

Yes, the one where Kirk goes native is not a good one.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on November 01, 2011, 05:59:40 PM
And The Children Shall Lead is probably my least favorite TOS episode.

Really? Which episodes do you like from Season 3?

And I did see the one with the Romulans. What was your fave part?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on November 01, 2011, 07:15:31 PM
That makes sense. I agree that the kids sucked at acting. I thought Spock and Kirk were really good in the episode.


I actually could see through Spock's seduction like I can see through my windshield. I don't know, was I ever not supposed to think that Spock was faking it? I was super annoyed with Kirk's love life in I am Kirock episode. Weird.


And MartyS, what was your favorite part of the Romulan epsiode?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 01, 2011, 08:07:54 PM
I thought the acting by everyone was pretty darn good in The Enterprise Incident.  And the Romulan commander was an interesting character.   

I know it's obvious that Spock is up to something while toying with the commander but you think he's just trying to save the captain and the crew, the real plot is fairly well hidden until the reveal.

And The Children Shall Lead doesn't hold up well to repeat viewings, the 3rd season has the most of those, a handful that stink the first time you view them but also a bunch that are just OK the first time and start to fall apart the more you watch them.

IMO: The Tholian Web would be the next best one as far as acting goes.

I'd agree with Imrahil's list from the 3rd season, I'd add the following as ones I like:

Is there in truth no beauty?
Spectre of the gun (for the scene when Spock realises what is going on).
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 02, 2011, 01:23:52 AM
picard gets tortured and generally mind f*cked more than any other person in trek i think. just finished chain of command.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 02, 2011, 02:29:35 AM
picard gets tortured and generally mind f*cked more than any other person in trek i think. just finished chain of command.

Man I hated that episode, that might be the first time I started thinking Star Trek was losing it's way.

I think Troi gets F'd over more times than Picard (I just watched the one where she gets tortured by music in her head), but he wins if you go by severity.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 02, 2011, 12:27:14 PM
I only remember two. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 02, 2011, 12:37:30 PM
I see I wwas only counting those first two since I was thinking of literal captive/torture situations, but when put like that, yeah he kicks shit on a bunch. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 02, 2011, 04:51:06 PM
Yeah, they put him through hell a lot because the writers like that O'brien was a relateable everyday schlub with a family and a job.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 02, 2011, 05:21:52 PM
Also known as enlisted. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 02, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
Gotta love O'brien though, I still think when the Klingons consider you an expert in starship combat, that makes you something of a badass.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 02, 2011, 10:19:59 PM
Gotta love O'brien though, I still think when the Klingons consider you an expert in starship combat, that makes you something of a badass.
O'Brien is pretty awesome. But I like the Naussicans best, They're all like
YOu hume-ANS, you talk and you talk, but you have no GRUMBAH, BWAH HAH HAH HAAH HAH!!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 03, 2011, 07:11:25 AM
yup watched the series.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 03, 2011, 07:24:58 AM
Seen it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 03, 2011, 09:25:46 AM
Yeah Its cool, it just is not what I like best though.  When I think of trek I just dont think of Kirk first. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 03, 2011, 10:21:16 AM
I was looking at local bands from san antonio that I always enjoyed and ran into this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW8afdvxyzg&feature=channel_video_title

Heh. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on November 03, 2011, 01:24:57 PM
When I think of trek I just dont think of Kirk first. 

Blasphemer! 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 03, 2011, 01:32:57 PM
When I think of trek I just dont think of Kirk first. 

Blasphemer! 
Picard was better.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on November 03, 2011, 01:38:14 PM
When I think of trek I just dont think of Kirk first. 

Blasphemer! 
Picard was better.

That's it!  I'm taking my weave out!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 03, 2011, 01:41:41 PM
Prepare for NEEEEEEERD RAAAAAAAAAGE!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 03, 2011, 01:51:10 PM
so.... scotty drinks a lot huh?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 03, 2011, 01:59:15 PM
She is only talking about TOS because that is where she is at.  She is nearly done with that to and has said she will be watching TNG soon as she can get there. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 03, 2011, 02:08:05 PM
Funny, I was just watching some of the bonus stuff on the TOS season 3 Blu-Rays and there's one segment with David Gerrold at Comic Con interviewing people, asking them what their favorite episode was (of course they were all saying Trouble With Tribbles), Gene Roddenberry's son said he grew up on next gen so those were his favorites.  

Another little tidbit of info watching some of the cast segments was Nimoy saying why he quit Mission Impossible after 2 years when he had a 5 year contract.  The first year he thought was OK, doing all those characters, then season 2 came along and it was basically the same stuff all over again.  He never had to think about the character at all like he had to do with Spock, since nothing of the character's personal life ever got into the show, it was always put on the makeup, pick an accent, and do the mission.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 03, 2011, 02:11:16 PM
Great. I'll talk about TOS the entire time she's watching it.
see that thread name? i don't see TOS in it anywhere. just star trek. so sorry to you and anais if talking about the other series bothers you but i saw it as a general star trek thread. i didn't mind everybody talking about DS9 while i was watching TNG, so please, just chill out.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 03, 2011, 02:17:53 PM
Great. I'll talk about TOS the entire time she's watching it.
see that thread name? i don't see TOS in it anywhere. just star trek. so sorry to you and anais if talking about the other series bothers you but i saw it as a general star trek thread. i didn't mind everybody talking about DS9 while i was watching TNG, so please, just chill out.

In her first post she did say no spoilers please, I've tried not to post any but have let some slip by here and there.

People who don't read the first post in a thread before jumping in should be torn limb from limb, by angry wolves...  :angry:   Whoa, where did that come from..........  ;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 03, 2011, 02:24:14 PM
Great. I'll talk about TOS the entire time she's watching it.
see that thread name? i don't see TOS in it anywhere. just star trek. so sorry to you and anais if talking about the other series bothers you but i saw it as a general star trek thread. i didn't mind everybody talking about DS9 while i was watching TNG, so please, just chill out.

Star Trek is the name of the show. 
No sh*t. but just saying Star Trek can be, and usually is, used to refer to all of the series. so Star Trek odyssey just means going through all the series.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 03, 2011, 02:25:47 PM
Star Trek is also referres to the Star Trek universe, in wich the shows take place.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 03, 2011, 02:32:25 PM
The twilight zone is both a show and a place where I frequently have lunch. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 03, 2011, 02:54:57 PM
Great. I'll talk about TOS the entire time she's watching it.
see that thread name? i don't see TOS in it anywhere. just star trek. so sorry to you and anais if talking about the other series bothers you but i saw it as a general star trek thread. i didn't mind everybody talking about DS9 while i was watching TNG, so please, just chill out.

Star Trek is the name of the show. 
No sh*t. but just saying Star Trek can be, and usually is, used to refer to all of the series. so Star Trek odyssey just means going through all the series.

I'm sure Anais is glad to have you here telling everyone what you've decided her thread is about.
just as glad as she'll be for you berating us on her behalf for watching and talking about the other series.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: goflyblind on November 03, 2011, 02:55:08 PM
ooo... can we make the thread about cake? i'd like some cake. a nice black forest cake.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 03, 2011, 02:57:52 PM
Cake is pretty awesome.  (insert obligatory portal reference here).  I prefer lemon cake.  Or pie.  Pie is awesome. 

Quote
I'm sure Anais is glad to have you here telling everyone what you've decided her thread is about.

I know for a fact based on what she has told me and what she has posted in this very thread, it is a celebration of trek and she likes that we enjoy stuff.  I am sorry you do not enjoy these thing imrahill I however do not understand why you inexplicably seem to be annoyed that others do and want to talk about it. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 03, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
feel free to create a TOS exclusive thread.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 03, 2011, 03:07:01 PM
You are also welcome to actively engage us in conversation about something from TOS. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 03, 2011, 03:11:52 PM
See something in common about these two images?

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110726200230/logopedia/images/2/29/StarTrek_TNG_TitleLogo.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/DS9logo.JPG)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 03, 2011, 03:16:17 PM
stars.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 03, 2011, 03:29:37 PM
Fonts trying desperatly to be hip and cool?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 03, 2011, 03:32:46 PM
Cake is pretty awesome.  (insert obligatory portal reference here).  I prefer lemon cake.  Or pie.  Pie is awesome. 

Mmmmmm pie....
(http://science.widener.edu/~schultz/pie.jpg)

Although my favorite is lemon meringue.

Darn, now I'm even more hungry than I was and my pizza dough isn't going to be out of the machine for another 50 minutes... :grr:
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 03, 2011, 03:33:36 PM
OOH Pizza Pie
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 03, 2011, 03:44:40 PM
Ah, I see what you did there, har, har, har, har.....

grumble, grumble, grumble, 39 minutes, grumble, grumble, grumble
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 03, 2011, 03:53:21 PM
Getting back to the Star Trek universe, I was never a Janeway hater, but I can now understand people that do.  I guess I didn't mind her when only watching one episode a week, but re-watching the episodes I remember liking I now find her the worst character in most of them.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 03, 2011, 03:57:07 PM
Just watched Menegie a troi and noticed neelix was a ferenegi.  Heh. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 03, 2011, 04:01:55 PM
the character Neelix becomes a ferengi in an episode of Voyager.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 03, 2011, 04:09:29 PM
the character Neelix becomes a ferengi in an episode of Voyager.

Yup, I watched that one a week or 2 ago.  A few days ago I watched the one where 7 brings him back from the dead and then the one where he leaves Voyager.

Although those 2 are pretty good episodes I couldn't help think of the line from The Holy Grail: "and there was much rejoicing".
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 03, 2011, 04:16:30 PM
I couldnt get into voyager.  Largely because of Janeway, but I always liked neelix.  The idea of a chef on the ship felt fresh somehow. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 03, 2011, 04:18:21 PM
replicators
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 03, 2011, 04:42:45 PM
TOS mentioned cooking staff early on (remember Charlie creating live turkeys in the galley), but all we ever got so see were the dispenser units.

And since this is now on topic, sort of, it's funny how your hunger eases a bit when you start working on dough....

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/pizza/prep.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 03, 2011, 05:15:24 PM
how come pizza was never featured on star trek lol. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on November 03, 2011, 05:18:33 PM
how come pizza was never featured on star trek lol. 
Yeah that's a good question!! :o
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 03, 2011, 05:29:25 PM
how come pizza was never featured on star trek lol. 
Yeah that's a good question!! :o

Yeah!  They always had some funky weird looking stuff on their trays...  Hard to imagine pizza every going out of style..

I tried for 5 minutes to arrange the olives in the shape of the Enterprise, but the little buggers just wouldn't cooperate, or my hands just weren't steady enough from the hunger, so F'it:

(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/pizza/ready.jpg)
(http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/pizza/done.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on November 03, 2011, 05:30:49 PM
That looks damn good!! :o :o
Just ordered Papa Johns! THANKS A LOT MARTY!! :D :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: mattwnelson on November 03, 2011, 05:33:41 PM
Dang! That's makin' me hungry for a pizza pie. Wonder if they'd make the mushrooms in the shape of the Enterprise if I ordered it?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 03, 2011, 05:36:24 PM
Aahhh, glad I could help....





...increase every one's waistline!   :rimshot:


Just like Kirk.  See, it all comes back to Star Trek somehow.  ;D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 03, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
I just think it's weird that in a thread devoted to Anais watching TOS, you guys (mostly sarc and gunflyer) seem unable or unwilling to say anything about TOS.
One of my favorite episodes was of course the Harlan Ellison-penned classic City on the edge of forever. Unfortunately, if you've read what I have, then Harlan Ellison's original script for the show was unusable for a... ahem, variety of reasons, and somebody(probably Roddenberry) re-wrote it to fit the correct parameters and budgetary restrictions of the show.

When the third season rolled around and the budget was hacked and slashed, Bob Justman said "We almost had enough money to do a really good radio show".
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 04, 2011, 06:55:50 PM
Watched the little video clip of Koenig on the 3rd season Blu-Ray set, Spectre of the Gun was going to be the start of more screen time for him, but right after it was done they learned that they were going to get the 10pm Friday time slot.  That put an end to the plans to expand his character since his fan base was either out or asleep at that time.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 04, 2011, 08:42:00 PM
Yeah I always felt both Koenig and Takei got screwed.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 04, 2011, 09:05:05 PM
Yeah I always felt both Koenig and Takei got screwed.
Yeah I'm hoping that those two will have a much more rich, internal life that we'll see in the new trek film sequels. in TOS they were always paper-thin characters, and I hate to say but they really didn't contribute much until the movies.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 04, 2011, 09:22:22 PM
I have to dissagree.   Fistfull of Data's was an awesome episode!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on November 04, 2011, 11:34:44 PM
I thought Worf's episodes were okay until Alexander came along.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on November 05, 2011, 03:06:58 AM
I thought Worf's episodes were okay until Alexander came along.
Alexander grew up to be a piece of work.. ::)

http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/04/14/has-family-ties-child-star-brian-bonsall-become-some-kind-of-twitter-troll
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 05, 2011, 08:27:17 AM
I thought Worf's episodes were okay until Alexander came along.

I was just never interested in Klingon culture.  A bunch of grunting, farting idiots--how do they manage to have space travel? Repairing consoles certainly isn't "honorable warrior's work."  The Klingons as depicted in TNG and DS9 would've been annexed by some actual race and used as cannon-fodder.
in developing military technology against competing forces, they had to run across it eventually. toh-pah.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 05, 2011, 08:46:14 AM
And yet you never, ever see any Klingon techs.  Occasionally you see a scientist, and he's treated like shit. What would be the motivation to be a scientist?
somebody has to, for the good of the empire.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 05, 2011, 08:46:55 AM
How do you know we haven't seen any Klingon engineers?  Their uniforms aren't exactly distinguishable like Starfleet.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 05, 2011, 08:57:48 AM
well th klingon scientist in tng suspicions was female so maybe  the majority of scientists are female.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 05, 2011, 09:03:19 AM
How do you know we haven't seen any Klingon engineers?  Their uniforms aren't exactly distinguishable like Starfleet.

Okay, forget I said engineer. How about if I said we've never seen any klingons doing any kind of repair or research work.  That way, you don't have to get caught up on the word "engineers" and idea of uniforms.

So Klingon ships maintain themselves?  Or are you suggesting that Klingons just run their ships until they break down and leave them?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 05, 2011, 11:27:10 AM
How do you know we haven't seen any Klingon engineers?  Their uniforms aren't exactly distinguishable like Starfleet.

Okay, forget I said engineer. How about if I said we've never seen any klingons doing any kind of repair or research work.  That way, you don't have to get caught up on the word "engineers" and idea of uniforms.

So Klingon ships maintain themselves?  Or are you suggesting that Klingons just run their ships until they break down and leave them?

This is exactly the point that I was trying to make. The culture does not seem to have any room for anyone who isn't a warrior, so who's doing these jobs?  We've NEVER seen anything like it.

Deja Vu, this sounds familiar, I was just arguing the same thing about the Pakleds. 

I would think maintaining their weapons in fighting condition would be considered honorable, so warrior engineers and techs would probably be indistinguishable from regular warriors.  Same thing with research, advancing weapons technology would be the same.  You could expand this all the way down to sewer workers, if no one does it the empire falls...

We do get glimpses of ordinary jobs in the show, we meet Warf's "nanny" in one episode.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on November 05, 2011, 11:31:12 AM
Yeah, the Klingons would have to realize that not everyone has what it takes to be a warrior.  At least not the kind that kills and conquers sentient life forms.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 05, 2011, 11:34:15 AM
that makes sense with them being a warrior race. Warriors like Samurai not only knew how to use their swords but also how to take apart and maintain them as well.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 05, 2011, 04:18:08 PM
Why would anyone be any good at these jobs if they're so hated?

Look at our own society, lots of crap jobs with people doing them, and most of them doing the jobs just well enough to get by. 

Although there might personal reasons the Klingons might do those jobs better, standing up to the ridicule might be the only battle they might be able to win in their lives.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 05, 2011, 04:22:10 PM
I have always felt the Klingons revere their ships.  It is a weapon of war to them.  Knowing how to put together and use properly a photon torpedo should be no different to sharpening a Batleh.  War moved beyond mere hand to hand combat.   
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 05, 2011, 04:24:23 PM
I have always felt the Klingons revere their ships.  It is a weapon of war to them.  Knowing how to put together and use properly a photon torpedo should be no different to sharpening a Batleh.  War moved beyond mere hand to hand combat.   
majQa'!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 05, 2011, 07:04:06 PM
I think the Klingons have kind of changed their focus over time. I think at one time they revered scientists for the idea of exploring and conquering new worlds, but it's a lower class job now, kind of like the Burger Flipper. But as space travel became a kind of normal, everyday thing for the Klingons, scientists, techs, etc became less important because the Warriors had to learn to do multi-tasking. The kind of problems that techs normally would deal with, so I guess while technicians and scientists aren't seen aboard Klingon ships, there are Klingons who have that sort of side job experience. For example, 1st Lieutenant Pek'er'hed is in charge of fire control, but he also knows how to repair the ships holodecks and food replicators and what we would think of as wi-fi.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 05, 2011, 07:14:40 PM
I just always thought they were like the Army, where everyone is taugh soldiering skills, marksmanship, and combat tactics before going on to more specialized training.  We know there are other fields on ships because Dax was a substitute for the Klingons science officer in the episode Soldiers for the Empire.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 05, 2011, 07:22:59 PM
I just always thought they were like the Army, where everyone is taugh soldiering skills, marksmanship, and combat tactics before going on to more specialized training.  We know there are other fields on ships because Dax was a substitute for the Klingons science officer in the episode Soldiers for the Empire.
Yeah you could be right. The way we judge them is based solely on what we have seen of the army, but you sometimes have strange exceptions like the klingon scientists from The Drumhead(TNG) who was a spy, and Kruge and his krew, who were as I understand them, renegades and not so much motivated by honor, the destruction of the grissom by the weapons officer and Kruge's reaction serve to prove this notion.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 05, 2011, 09:07:15 PM
Yeah, who wants any development in a show.  Keep things as flat and one demensional as possible.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 05, 2011, 09:26:32 PM
Eh, that sounds like retconning.  Klingons were just scumbags until TNG introduced all the "honor" crap.
It's still better then what they did with the Highlander mythos.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 05, 2011, 10:16:31 PM
So they were a vague hard to see parody of something in TOS.  And in TNG they had a one whole dimension to their personality?  Looks like an improvement. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 06, 2011, 03:34:12 AM
Yeah, who wants any development in a show.  Keep things as flat and one demensional as possible.

Klingons were originally stand-ins for the Soviets.  That's way more interesting than the rather one-dimensional grunting things we got in TNG.
they might have been 1 dimensional in TOS, but they were developed more in TNG. especially with episodes like birthright and sins of the father. hell they were developed to the point that you can actually learn to speak klingon if you look for it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Thrifty on November 06, 2011, 06:47:42 AM
how come pizza was never featured on star trek lol. 

I seem to recall Tom Paris mentioned his love for pizza from time to time.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Thrifty on November 06, 2011, 06:48:17 AM
I can't stand the original Star Trek.  I watched a few episodes but the terrible production values were too distracting.  Why did the Klingons look exactly like humans?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 06, 2011, 06:52:55 AM
that was retconned in Enterprise. they attempted to genetically enhance part of their species. one of the augmented had a weird type of the flu that was accidentally augmented as well. the ridge loss was the first phase of the flu and phlox managed to come up with a cure that halted it in its first stage but not before the flu spread amongst the empire.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Thrifty on November 06, 2011, 06:57:04 AM
that was retconned in Enterprise. they attempted to genetically enhance part of their species. one of the augmented had a weird type of the flu that was accidentally augmented as well. the ridge loss was the first phase of the flu and phlox managed to come up with a cure that halted it in its first stage but not before the flu spread amongst the empire.
I've never seen any of Enterprise.  Did the Klingons look normal in that?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 06, 2011, 06:58:59 AM
that was retconned in Enterprise. they attempted to genetically enhance part of their species. one of the augmented had a weird type of the flu that was accidentally augmented as well. the ridge loss was the first phase of the flu and phlox managed to come up with a cure that halted it in its first stage but not before the flu spread amongst the empire.
I've never seen any of Enterprise.  Did the Klingons look normal in that?
except the ones that lost their ridges, yes. the first episode actually has a Klingon.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 06, 2011, 08:33:50 AM
So they were a vague hard to see parody of something in TOS.  And in TNG they had a one whole dimension to their personality?  Looks like an improvement. 

Because something was hard for you to see doesn't mean it was hard for others to recognize.
i didn't see it either at first. when i first watched TOS i didn't look at the klingons and go "holy crap they're soviets!". i said "holy crap what happened to their foreheads!" (having seen a few TNG eps already). because something was readily apparent to you doesn't mean it was primarily what others recognize. everybody looks at things and takes them differently initially.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 06, 2011, 09:40:59 AM
So they were a vague hard to see parody of something in TOS.  And in TNG they had a one whole dimension to their personality?  Looks like an improvement. 

Because something was hard for you to see doesn't mean it was hard for others to recognize.

Even you change what I said to Blatant Parody.  It doesnt change anything.  If they were a tool for satire of our own world in TOS they had a "one dimensional" personality and culture in TNG and beyond.  That's clear growth since they actaully develop a personality.  They had a religion in TNG.  They had politicians in TNG.  They had good klingons and bad klingons in TNG.  We learn about their Diet in TNG.  They had a legal system in TNG.  The list goes on.   They may have been introduced in TOS.   However they were primarily an opponent or a foil and their status as an enemy was the main focus.  They were expanded in the other series.  The same could be said of the borg in TNG.  They were an enemy to be feared and thats it.  In Voyager they expanded the race.  Now I did not like those expansions just as you might not like the klingons expansions but lets be clear on where they were deeper. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 06, 2011, 11:38:14 AM
On another note, I think Kirk would have done Ardra before showing that she was a con artist. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on November 06, 2011, 02:53:41 PM
On another note, I think Kirk would have done Ardra before showing that she was a con artist. 

I don't think Kirk would ever have been motivated to figure it out.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 06, 2011, 05:22:35 PM
picard is one of the few people that can make the title archaeologist be extremely badass. also out of all the senior staff, i think data would make the best captain.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 06, 2011, 06:21:35 PM
Only Picard and Indianna Jones!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 06, 2011, 10:25:43 PM
Only Picard and Indianna Jones!
Talk about your odd couples. Boba Fett and Gamera! Danger Mouse and Stephen Hawkings! Leonidas and Jesus Christ! Prince of Space and Superman! Krankor and Doctor Frank-N-Furter!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 06, 2011, 10:33:36 PM
Quote
Krankor and Doctor Frank-N-Furter!

Thanks that is a terrible image and I can not get rid of it.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 06, 2011, 10:41:57 PM
Quote
Krankor and Doctor Frank-N-Furter!
Thanks that is a terrible image and I can not get rid of it.
Sorry. On the other hand I am glad one of my ideas made an impression for once.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 06, 2011, 11:51:51 PM
Just watched Shatner's documentary "The Captains" on Netflix streaming.  Some interesting insights into the actors. 

And I had no idea Avery Brooks was so, ah, out there....
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 07, 2011, 12:00:46 AM
I loved him as Sisko but I always assumed there was reasons he was not getting more roles. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 07, 2011, 01:52:14 PM
holy crap John locke is on star trek! that wave that happened after they didn't input the numbers must have transported him into the trek universe.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 07, 2011, 03:06:51 PM
And I had no idea Avery Brooks was so, ah, out there....
DUKAT! If you have some-thing to say to me... THEN SAY IT!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 07, 2011, 03:24:12 PM
He has a certain charm, but yeah he hams it up at times.  He is also very confident and tough or at least good at projecting that and that was his charm.  I liked him, but I am not overly shocked he never found other work. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 07, 2011, 03:29:05 PM
Shatner I would say is a better actor.  I think the fact he has been a charismatic TV personality for almost 40 plus years is clear sign of talent.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 07, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
He's really kind of terrible. :)  I remember watching that first episode and hearing his " Help MEEEEeeeeEEEE!" and thinking, "WTF?"
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Shatner I would say is a better actor.  I think the fact he has been a charismatic TV personality for almost 40 plus years is clear sign of talent.
*cough* Lucy in the sky with diamonds*cough* I think Shatner did a little too much LDS. Also, Avery Brooks is the only Captain I know who can kick ass with his fist.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 07, 2011, 06:43:21 PM
klingons spit venom. hahahahaha
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 07, 2011, 06:52:18 PM
He's really kind of terrible. :)  I remember watching that first episode and hearing his " Help MEEEEeeeeEEEE!" and thinking, "WTF?"
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Shatner I would say is a better actor.  I think the fact he has been a charismatic TV personality for almost 40 plus years is clear sign of talent.
*cough* Lucy in the sky with diamonds*cough* I think Shatner did a little too much LDS. Also, Avery Brooks is the only Captain I know who can kick ass with his fist.

eh kirk was damn handy in a brawl he was the original space cowboy
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 07, 2011, 09:49:06 PM
eh kirk was damn handy in a brawl he was the original space cowboy
I don't know how to explain it, but Ben Sisko is just far more bad-ass.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 07, 2011, 09:51:33 PM
I think its that he seems to have more authority.  Kirk is a prettyboy maverick who does a lot on his own.  When there is action he personally charges in head on.  Sisko COMMANDS.  He leads a war.  Very different styles. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 07, 2011, 11:51:23 PM
Wow, you guys really think Sisko is a badass?  He'd be at the bottom of my list. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on November 08, 2011, 06:28:30 AM
Know why Sisko is a better captain than Kirk?

Sisko can save his son from Klingons.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 08, 2011, 07:37:06 AM
Know why Sisko is a better captain than Kirk?

Sisko can save his son from Klingons.
too soon man, too soon.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 08, 2011, 12:59:20 PM
Wow, you guys really think Sisko is a badass?  He'd be at the bottom of my list. 

Yeah, I find him way too emotional and hot-headed.

He really is not though.  His dealings with Dukat pre the war are good example.  Or his handling of Kai Opaka.  He does not really seem impulsive.  Certainly no more than Kirk ever was. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 08, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
I think he felt personally betrayed.  Both by eddington and his buddy (I forget his name) before him.  That personal slight really got to him.  I think from his viewpoint they were both insulting him as a friend and collegue as well as spitting on the federation and all that it stood for.   I also feel that the dialogue in the episodes makes this clear. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 08, 2011, 01:24:30 PM
I get ya.  However I do not think he was acting out of order in those particular episodes.  He was just acting with Zeal.  It was his job to track them down after all.  I also do not think his hot headedness makes him not a "bad-ass" or tough guy. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on November 08, 2011, 02:15:08 PM
Deep Space Nine sucks!!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 08, 2011, 02:16:26 PM
Deep Space Nine sucks!!!

GASP how dare you!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on November 08, 2011, 02:16:49 PM
Deep Space Nine sucks!!!

GASP how dare you!

They suck bad.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 08, 2011, 05:11:46 PM
Wow, you guys really think Sisko is a badass?  He'd be at the bottom of my list.  
Sisko commands the Gods(in the form of the prophets). That makes him bad ass.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 08, 2011, 05:39:18 PM
Wow, you guys really think Sisko is a badass?  He'd be at the bottom of my list.  
Sisko commands the Gods(in the form of the prophets). That makes him bad ass.

Ha, no way, Sisko was their bitch....   :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 08, 2011, 10:09:59 PM
"Help MEEEEEeeeEEE!"
And Sisko punched the Q so hard that he NEVER came back. Sisko commands the gods... mofos. Kneel before Sisko puny milkman.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 09, 2011, 05:04:46 PM
ladiea and gentle men.... i have finished TNG. next stop, DS9.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 09, 2011, 05:38:59 PM
heh I am only behind you by a season or so. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 09, 2011, 05:57:46 PM
wow sisko is... really weird.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 09, 2011, 06:13:04 PM
plus that MJ yelp when he is on the beach.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 09, 2011, 07:29:35 PM
wow sisko is... really weird.
You are the kettle who just called the pot black.
"Help MEEEeeeEEeeeEEE!?"
You're saying you wouldn't fall apart under similar circumstances?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 09, 2011, 08:16:34 PM
Its just a weird line read Gunny.  He is cool but his affectations are unique. 
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 09, 2011, 08:25:09 PM
Sisko took out an entire maquis colony to take down one man.  Pretty ballsy.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 09, 2011, 08:52:58 PM
He is cool but his affectations are unique. 

Watch interviews with him, those affectations seem to be moments when he's not acting, it would seem he's a hipster jazz musician in real life.  I wonder how he does as a theater professor at Rutgers?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 09, 2011, 11:19:16 PM
HAND. Your PAYpers IN!
Very nice impression, now say it to Sisko's face... I dare you, I double dog dare you, say what one more Goddamn time.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 09, 2011, 11:22:44 PM
I wonder if they go to the same place to get their heads shaved?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on November 10, 2011, 08:12:44 AM
Sisko isn't a real person.  I can't say anything to his face.
Look in the mirror, turn off the lights, and say 'Sisko' three times.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 17, 2011, 07:03:48 PM
i just renamed my computer USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E. also still working my way through the DS9 eps. just got through the civil war on Bajor.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 17, 2011, 07:19:26 PM
Have you seen them before?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 17, 2011, 07:23:34 PM
only a few of them back when they were on spike.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 17, 2011, 07:28:48 PM
AHH what season you in?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 17, 2011, 07:40:19 PM
2, first maquis episode.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 17, 2011, 07:42:22 PM
i just renamed my computer USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E. also still working my way through the DS9 eps. just got through the civil war on Bajor.

Soveriegn class!  It took a little while for that design to grow on me.  I believe that is the beggining of season 2
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on November 19, 2011, 03:53:10 PM
I just skipped every post since I posted last because I assume you guys are still talking about shows I have yet to see.

I will get there at some point though. This thread will never DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, I just watched the Ok Coral episode of Star Trek. It was pretty interesting. Chekov gettin some tail....


I dislike the constant use of Spock's super powers. It is getting a little over the top. Mind melding is also a little....well it's pushing the homosexual agenda as some people of certain ideaologies might say. Anyway, I would say the episode was entertaining in a cheesy and nostalgic way.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 19, 2011, 04:14:29 PM
i just renamed my computer USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E. also still working my way through the DS9 eps. just got through the civil war on Bajor.

Soveriegn class!  It took a little while for that design to grow on me.  I believe that is the beggining of season 2
i always liked it but when i played star trek legacy and started blasting borg cubes with it  i fell in love.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 19, 2011, 04:31:44 PM
Speaking of Legacy...

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x145/sideswipegta/fleet.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on November 20, 2011, 12:01:42 PM
FYI: I went back and edited my post in order to prevent Grammara from editing it.


Grammara is ever vigilant!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on November 20, 2011, 12:32:51 PM
Speaking of Legacy...

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x145/sideswipegta/fleet.jpg)
and of course they're outstripping those D'Deridex behind them. screw cloaks, give me a ship that will do 9.925 warp.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on November 20, 2011, 12:51:53 PM
Yeah, Soveriegns will haul ass, even faster than Intrepids.  They outclass the old D'Deridex in every way.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: goflyblind on November 20, 2011, 02:11:08 PM
FYI: I went back and edited my post in order to prevent Grammara from editing it.


Grammara is ever vigilant!

i thought it was a clever pun. :-\
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on November 21, 2011, 06:53:07 PM
Ok, got a few more episodes under my belt.

Kligon vs Kirk because of some alien pretty coloured light thing.

Bones is dying and gets his freak on with a high priestess. Then gets cured and gets his freak on with her again.

Now the mystery of the defiant. What did they all die of?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on November 21, 2011, 07:00:32 PM
Ok, got a few more episodes under my belt.

Kligon vs Kirk because of some alien pretty coloured light thing.

Bones is dying and gets his freak on with a high priestess. Then gets cured and gets his freak on with her again.

Now the mystery of the defiant. What did they all die of?

They explain it in the episode--the space interphase they're in fucks with the tissues in the brain and causes homicidal insanity.

Oh I was quoting Kirk at that moment.

Also: Does anyone else think Chekov is the "Pippin" of the gourp
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: anais.jude on November 24, 2011, 09:10:03 AM
"Plato's Stephchildren"  Highly Enjoyable, and there were exotic costumes and a dwarf.

"Wink of an Eye": Oh man, do I want that chick's outfit

"The Empath": Really good. I am talking Season 1 good.

These last 3 episodes were great. I don't see why anyone would diss season 3, I am enjoying it as much as the other seasons. In fact, there is a lot more Kirk, Spock, Bones and especially Spock/Bones going on in this season
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on November 24, 2011, 09:26:42 AM
I recently bought the second season of the original series (for $10 new... go me!).  It's quite enjoyable.  One minor thing that would've been cool if they'd done: remake the original episode teasers using the remastered footage.  I know editing can be time-consuming, but it would have been a nice touch all the same.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 09, 2011, 10:19:46 AM
Random famous people you may or may not know were in Star Trek...

(http://i.imgur.com/ZiF2f.jpg)

 :D
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: daltysmilth on December 09, 2011, 10:32:35 AM
Actually I was aware that most of those people were in Star Trek.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 09, 2011, 10:35:07 AM
Actually I was aware that most of those people were in Star Trek.

Well, here you go:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9dctfSo0iBI/TeudR5hybPI/AAAAAAAAG18/L33rN68nTW8/s1600/gold_star3.jpg)

You earned that!

Did you finish your juice box?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on December 09, 2011, 10:41:33 AM
Only one I didn't know was Mick Fleetwood.  But with the outfits and the prosthetics it would be nearly impossible to recognise anyone playing those parts.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 09, 2011, 10:50:55 AM
Only one I didn't know was Mick Fleetwood.  But with the outfits and the prosthetics it would be nearly impossible to recognise anyone playing those parts.

Oh dear, I'm all out of gold stars. How about a pudding cup?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on December 09, 2011, 12:01:35 PM
Gold stars and pudding cups .. Oh my .. :o
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: goflyblind on December 09, 2011, 12:47:07 PM
two gold stars, one pudding cup?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on December 11, 2011, 10:25:22 AM
I hated that episode with Andy Dick...

Even more than an average Voyager episode.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on December 11, 2011, 10:37:36 AM
I hated that episode with Andy Dick...

Even more than an average Voyager episode.
How can you like somebody whose name with first initial is A. Dick anyway?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on December 11, 2011, 03:12:31 PM
I hated that episode with Andy Dick...

Even more than an average Voyager episode.

WTF?  That was a great episode.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on December 11, 2011, 10:59:27 PM
It's not the USS Defiant anymore, it's the USS "Ben Sisko's motherfucking pimp hand" According to SFDebris.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on December 12, 2011, 10:01:37 PM
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Compound on December 12, 2011, 11:31:20 PM
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA

Oh good. There's an HD version available too. It sings with the high def on.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: RVR II on December 12, 2011, 11:50:58 PM
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/v/ZPoqNeR3_UA

Oh good. There's an HD version available too. It sings with the high def on.
:o
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on December 12, 2011, 11:54:07 PM
try having a few tabs of the vid going simultaneously.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on December 25, 2011, 06:56:55 PM
SF Debris reviews one of the worst TNG episodes... ever in this special 3 part review.
http://sfdebris.com/startrek/t104.asp
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on December 25, 2011, 08:36:23 PM
The first 2 seasons were pretty rough.  If the show was bieng made today with the same stories, it probably wouldnt have made it to a 3rd season.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on December 26, 2011, 07:05:24 AM
While overall the first two series were worse, I'd argue the three worst TNG episodes were all in the later seasons.

The Game
Genesis
Sub Rosa
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Rainbow Dash on December 26, 2011, 02:16:22 PM
I think "Justice" was far worse and that was in S1.

Really?  I can see some arguments about The Game and Genesis.  But Sub Rosa was just horrid.  Things like Justice and Code of Honor were bad TNG episodes.   Sub Rosa was like a horrid soap opera that filled in for TNG that day.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: TheUnabeefer on December 26, 2011, 06:38:15 PM
I should probably start watching DS9 soon.... I've taken a long break for some Ken Burns documentaries, Simpsons, Freaks and Geeks... and a whole mess of other stuff.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on December 30, 2011, 09:41:28 PM
I think "Justice" was far worse and that was in S1.
Justice was probably in fact the worst episode because it teased us with murdering Wesley... BUT IT DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH!!! GOD DAMMIT!!!!
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey TNG Recut
Post by: Russell on January 05, 2012, 02:16:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/D9mokXjSueQ?version=3&amp;hl=en_US
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 13, 2012, 01:01:28 PM
Sweet fancy moses!!! They made-over the shit out of this!

Star Trek: The Next Generation Blu-Ray Preview (http://collider.com/star-trek-the-next-generation-blu-ray-trailer/136890/)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on January 13, 2012, 01:05:56 PM
Bah, did they digitally remaster the dialogue and story?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 13, 2012, 01:30:58 PM
Bah, did they digitally remaster the dialogue and story?

Nope. But here's a GIF of Spock stroking a pussy.

(http://i.imgur.com/UxxfO.gif)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: bta on January 13, 2012, 01:36:00 PM
What's that look like digitally remastered though?
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 13, 2012, 01:44:32 PM
What's that look like digitally remastered though?

(http://i.imgur.com/ouKEx.jpg)
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: mattwnelson on January 13, 2012, 02:52:58 PM
Bah, did they digitally remaster the dialogue and story?

Nope. But here's a GIF of Spock stroking a pussy.

(http://i.imgur.com/UxxfO.gif)

Not sure what kind of computer trickery was done to animate that .GIF, but because of the hand motion and the utter motionlessness of everything else, that is ten kinds of creepy.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 13, 2012, 03:01:23 PM
Bah, did they digitally remaster the dialogue and story?

Nope. But here's a GIF of Spock stroking a pussy.

(http://i.imgur.com/UxxfO.gif)

Not sure what kind of computer trickery was done to animate that .GIF, but because of the hand motion and the utter motionlessness of everything else, that is ten kinds of creepy.

That is creepy, I'm pretty sure that's a clip from Assignment Earth when they are talking about what to do with Gary 7, they copied everything but the hand area from one frame and pasted it to all the others.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on January 13, 2012, 08:37:17 PM
Hopefully they will replace the reused planetary matte paintings.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Russell on January 13, 2012, 08:43:45 PM
I still don't know about this. I mean I'd rather have them release a "Let's cut the bullshit and only release the episodes that the fans give a shit about on blu-ray so they don't have to buy all 7 goddamn seasons all over again" edition.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: shodan on January 13, 2012, 08:59:53 PM
all those divides and wipes might get annoying though.
Title: Re: Anais.Jude's Star Trek Odyssey
Post by: Sideswipe on January 13, 2012, 09:05:13 PM
You damn Star Trek fans.  You should just be happy you are getting Star Trek at all!