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Title: ALCATRAZ
Post by: D.B. Barnes on May 20, 2011, 01:17:59 PM
Very high hopes for this. Unreasonably high hopes. So high they'll almost certainly be resoundingly dashed. Still, BRING IT ABRAMS!!!

IMDB says 2013 but looks like it's ready for a mid-season premiere this Fall.

SYNOPSIS

When San Francisco Police Department DET. REBECCA MADSEN (Sarah Jones, “Sons of Anarchy”) is assigned to a grisly homicide case, a fingerprint leads her to a shocking suspect: JACK SYLVANE (guest star Jeffrey Pierce, “The Nine”), a former Alcatraz inmate who died decades ago. Given her family history – both her grandfather and surrogate uncle, RAY ARCHER (Robert Forster, “Jackie Brown”), were guards at the prison – Madsen’s interest is immediately piqued, and once the enigmatic, knows-everything-but-tells-nothing government agent EMERSON HAUSER (Sam Neill, “Jurassic Park”) tries to impede her investigation, she’s doggedly committed. Madsen turns to Alcatraz expert and comic book enthusiast, DR. DIEGO “DOC” SOTO (Jorge Garcia, “Lost”), to piece together the inexplicable sequence of events. The twosome discovers that Sylvane is not only alive, but he’s loose on the streets of San Francisco, leaving bodies in his wake. And strangely, he hasn’t aged a day since he was in Alcatraz, when the prison was ruled by the iron-fisted WARDEN EDWIN JAMES (Jonny Coyne, “Undercovers”) and the merciless ASSOCIATE WARDEN E.B. TILLER (Jason Butler Harner, “The Changeling”).

Madsen and Soto reluctantly team with Agent Hauser and his technician, LUCY BANERJEE (Parminder Nagra, “ER”), to stop Sylvane’s vengeful killing spree. By delving into Alcatraz history, government cover-ups and Rebecca’s own heritage, the team will ultimately discover that Sylvane is only a small part of a much larger, more sinister present-day threat. For while he may be the first, it quickly becomes clear that Sylvane won’t be the last prisoner to reappear from Alcatraz.

Through the course of the investigation, Madsen and Soto will learn that Agent Hauser has known about the prison’s secret history and has been awaiting the prisoners’ return. Soto will witness his life’s work – the history of Alcatraz – come alive. Madsen will be forced to keep her supportive San Francisco cop fiancé, JIMMY DICKENS (Santiago Cabrera, “Heroes”), at arm’s length from the highly classified assignment as she sees everything she thought she knew about her family’s past shattered, all while fighting to keep the country safe from history’s most dangerous criminals.

http://www.youtube.com/v/J_jAlFqvASU?fs=1&hl=en_US

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1728102/

Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: k1 on May 20, 2011, 02:13:21 PM
I'll definitely be DVR-ing this.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: k1 on May 20, 2011, 03:35:18 PM
I do see one potential downfall...

It's on Fox.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 20, 2011, 03:40:46 PM
That means it will be canceled after 13 episodes.

Why do producers even pitch new show ideas to fox,fox is the kiss of death to any good show.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: D.B. Barnes on May 20, 2011, 04:31:00 PM
That means it will be canceled after 13 episodes.

Why do producers even pitch new show ideas to fox,fox is the kiss of death to any good show.

Well, I think Abrams might carry a bit more weight than...wait, hang on a sec. ..

This just in: FOX announces it will cancel ALCATRAZ after four episodes.

In related news, FOX announces Summer launch of the long-awaited 24-hour Cleveland Show Network.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 20, 2011, 05:03:46 PM
That means it will be canceled after 13 episodes.

Why do producers even pitch new show ideas to fox,fox is the kiss of death to any good show.

Well, I think Abrams might carry a bit more weight than...wait, hang on a sec. ..

This just in: FOX announces it will cancel ALCATRAZ after four episodes.

In related news, FOX announces Summer launch of the long-awaited 24-hour Cleveland Show Network.

 :D :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

it's funny because it's true.

I mean if anyone should have had enough clout to have their shows given a chance it should have been the creators of Burn Notice and The Shield.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 15, 2012, 12:09:25 PM
Well, the wait is over. Two-hour season premiere Monday night. I'm very psyched about this one. C'mon Alcatraz, I dare you to dash my unreasonably high expectations!
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 16, 2012, 02:13:20 PM
Well, this tempers my expectations a bit, but I'm still pretty psyched.

Alcatraz: TV Review

The J.J. Abrams-produced Fox drama revolves around the concept that when the infamous prison closed, all the remaining prisoners mysteriously vanished. And now they're back.

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It’s almost impossible not to like any dramatic concept conceived around Alcatraz, the famous and shuttered prison-turned-tourist-attraction that sits on its own little island, what seems a stone’s throw from one of the most beautiful cities in the world.

Except there’s not a lengthy list of quality fiction about Alcatraz. And as much as the notion for Fox’s new drama seems eagerly palpable – when Alcatraz closed all the remaining prisoners were not shipped to other prisons, they mysteriously vanished – there’s not much payoff to the premise.

Which is a real shame, because there’s a good show here somewhere. The prisoners have started coming back. And they haven’t aged. And they’re picking up where they left off in the doing-bad-things department.

It just sounds so perfect. Right? All 302 prisoners and guards went poof into the night. Now a San Francisco cop, Det. Rebecca Madsen (Sarah Jones) has stumbled on a murder committed by the first prisoner to surface. She is aided in her search by “Alcatraz expert and comic book enthusiast” Dr. Diego “Doc” Soto (Jorge Garcia). Those two get more information than they really know what to do with once they interfere with and then essentially get absorbed by government agent Emerson Hauser (Sam Neill) and his less evil-seeming partner, Lucy (Parminder Nagra). Yeah, we know the real story, Hauser says reluctantly. But the hows and whys will come slowly.

The immediate question is, how long are you willing to wait? After all, Alcatraz is executive produced by J.J. Abrams and we know his track record with mythology. On the other hand, each of the first two episodes felt like closed-ended procedurals that tracked one missing Alcatraz prisoner over the course of the hour. Only 300 to go!

But something’s amiss here. For starters, Alcatraz is another one of those series you want to love but end up liking, and even then with some caveats. Meaning, it’s not fully realized yet and the first two episodes (shown together tonight) hook you with the premise – Alcatraz! Prisoners! Unexplained phenomena! – but go about the rest of it in a plodding fashion.

Alcatraz ends up feeling like a rote, by-the-numbers procedural and less like anything Abrams was actively involved in because it lacks real passion and flair. This is one island you don’t yet want to get Lost on.

You know something’s off when Jones can’t seem to hook you as a main character, Garcia seems to be going out of his way to make you forget his Hurley character from Lost – by lowering his pulse and quip rate – while Neill seems to be playing laid-back-sinister to new levels of casualness.

In short, they don’t seem so thrilled about Alcatraz.

Half the time you want to shake them. The Rock! Infamous prison! Prisoners have vanished (and now returned) in some perfectly J.J. Abrams kind of crazy mystery. This will be awesome if you’d just wake up!

On the other hand, it doesn’t seem like there’s enough to invest in even if they did become compelling as a trio. The writing if flat and expository-laden. The drama – outside of the mystery of how it all happened – is saddled to predictable plots. The exterior shots (and some location shooting) in San Francisco look beautiful. But it might be easier just to buy a postcard and save yourself the time of investing in Alcatraz, another series that can’t seem to do much with what it’s given.

Airs Monday, Jan. 16, at 8 p.m., then Mondays at 9 p.m., Fox

Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: TheUnabeefer on January 17, 2012, 04:17:11 PM
I liked the first few minutes before my antenna went all wonky-doodle... Damn wind in Chicago messing everything up.

Once I get all my crap reinstalled on my laptop, I will download it and watch.  I was intrigued by what I saw.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: k1 on January 17, 2012, 07:37:57 PM
I kind of liked the pilot. I assume it will get to the point where there are more than just one convict running around. After all, the guy who killed the girls partner is still out there.  (That should keep things spoiler free for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.)

I always like to give shows a few episodes to get going before I really decide especially with non-comedy shows.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: Smith Dr John Smith on January 17, 2012, 07:56:34 PM
I kind of liked the pilot. I assume it will get to the point where there are more than just one convict running around. After all, the guy who killed the girls partner is still out there.  (That should keep things spoiler free for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.)

I always like to give shows a few episodes to get going before I really decide especially with non-comedy shows.

I missed the first episode but I will give it a season try,after all it took almost a whole season for both Fringe and Babylon 5 to get good but once they got good they became really good.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: Nunyerbiz on January 18, 2012, 08:11:29 PM
Just watched the two hour premier event ... which I think is just two episodes slapped together... and I liked it. I already don't give a shit about the overarching conspiracy super secret government agency time travel alternate wormhole universe aspects... as I already know that part of the show will turn into a big convoluted clusterfuck like every other show that tries overarching conspiracy super secret government agency time travel alternate wormhole universe aspects... But as a detective show, it worked pretty well for these two episodes.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: TheUnabeefer on January 19, 2012, 11:19:56 AM
as I already know that part of the show will turn into a big convoluted clusterfuck like every other show that tries overarching conspiracy super secret government agency time travel alternate wormhole universe aspects...

So far, I wouldn't even remotely say Fringe has become a big convoluted clusterfuck.  I just finished re-watching the 3 and a half seasons in a marathon, and it makes perfect sense.  In fact, I think they could un-dumb-it-down quite a bit to make it less accessible, and I'd be even happier.

So not EVERY other show turns into a clusterfuck.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: Nunyerbiz on January 19, 2012, 06:33:16 PM
I'm not going to remember enough about Fringe to really debate that.... I never watched it religiously... although I did see a decent chunk of the first two seasons or so watching it with my wife. But that said, I dunno about making perfect sense... many times I thought the writers of Fringe were clearly honor students from the Geordi LaForge "let's use horseshit pseudo science to get out this jam!"  School of Sci-Fi. That show just never did much for me.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: TheUnabeefer on January 19, 2012, 06:39:19 PM
many times I thought the writers of Fringe were clearly honor students from the Geordi LaForge "let's use horseshit pseudo science to get out this jam!"  School of Sci-Fi. That show just never did much for me.

Don't let the scientists at CERN who study all that horseshit pseudo science hear you say that!!!  They'll smash your atoms into another wave-function so fast!!
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 25, 2012, 03:04:54 PM
After watching the first two episodes, I'm definitely intrigued enough to keep watching. I'm digging the week-to-week procedural thing, but I also appreciate there being an underlying story. I like the idea of gathering the prisoners one-by-one and revealing the mystery through ongoing flashbacks. I see how it could get more interesting and complex the more prisoners they capture.

Oh, and can I just say how much I'm already in love with Sarah Jones? Good lord, is she awesome! Those eyes, that hair, those... Anyway, she's pretty damn close to the perfect package in my book.

(http://www.formulatv.com/images/fgaleria/26400/26474_sarah-jones-de-alcatraz.jpg)

Sweet fancy moses!
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: mrbasehart on January 25, 2012, 03:11:13 PM
I wonder, because who her partner is, that they'll ever do a will-they/won't they storyline.  It'd be pretty refreshing if they did so.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: k1 on January 25, 2012, 03:26:35 PM
Her overly dramatic tossing the gun away in the third episode was freaking hilarious. 

I'm in 100% agreement with all of what DB said.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 25, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
I wonder, because who her partner is, that they'll ever do a will-they/won't they storyline.  It'd be pretty refreshing if they did so.

That would be awesome! They've already had some nice moments together. And she's tough, definitely not one of these brittle runway model types. She could handle herself in a roll with The Jorge.  ;D
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: bta on January 25, 2012, 04:03:50 PM
I liked it in episode 2 when her shirt was all unbuttoned and she was angry.  That's Must See TV.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: TheUnabeefer on January 25, 2012, 04:04:21 PM
I'm digging the show so far. There's a lot they can do with it too.....

...also, my parents are hooked.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: goflyblind on March 27, 2012, 09:19:14 AM
i still haven't seen bullit. i should really watch that one of these days.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: k1 on March 27, 2012, 10:33:10 AM
My DVr freaked out and didn't record the finale! Nooooooo!
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 27, 2012, 11:47:49 AM
I will probably download the finale from eztv at some point...  My interest in the show dropped off rather quickly.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: MrTorso on May 11, 2012, 08:25:00 PM
Cancelled. suck!  Ended on a cliffhanger too. CRAP!
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: D.B. Barnes on May 11, 2012, 09:18:52 PM
Cancelled. suck!  Ended on a cliffhanger too. CRAP!

Yeah, you could see that coming a mile away. After a strong debut, the ratings really nosedived throughout the season. It's a bit of a bummer. I was obviously in the minority, but I liked the show, and it held my interest. And yeah, the dreaded cliffhanger/cancel syndrome is all too common these days.

I read some speculation a while back that this was the type of show Netflix might look at as a possible pickup for their new fleet of original content. So, who knows, maybe it hasn't seen its last episode.

And besides...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: k1 on May 12, 2012, 04:22:21 AM
Cancelled. suck!  Ended on a cliffhanger too. CRAP!

Are you kidding? Nooooooooo! Sonofa
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 12, 2012, 06:34:43 PM
That's also why I didn't get too hooked on Awake, despite liking the premise and style of the show.  I could see the cancellation coming a mile away.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: Bob on May 14, 2012, 10:26:07 AM
That's also why I didn't get too hooked on Awake, despite liking the premise and style of the show.  I could see the cancellation coming a mile away.

And it did despite being great.   Grrrrrrr!!!!!!
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: Mrs. Dick Courier on May 14, 2012, 02:54:23 PM
This is why I hate to start a new show.  Still haven't gotten over Firefly.

I currently don't have cable.  I either buy, borrow, or watch it onling.  My friend records me some stuff.  She recorded this show, I liked it.

Bummer.  But maybe another network will pick it up.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 14, 2012, 03:29:36 PM
Bummer.  But maybe another network will pick it up.

Unfortunately, that's not very likely.  If the show had had a HUUUUGE following, then maybe... but it didn't.

Sadly, I think the days for good in-depth serialized TV shows (on non-cable networks at least) are about over... for now anyways.  The Neilsen system doesn't favor them or truly reflect their followings, so they barely ever make it past the first season, and the viewers know this and don't bother.... so it's the whole big downward spiral.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: Nunyerbiz on May 15, 2012, 10:05:52 AM
Alcatraz didn't hold my interest.. although we still have all the episodes we didn't get around to watching on the DVR.

Bummer about Awake though... it was a bit hit and miss, sometimes being a rather generic cop show... but really good when the writers did something interesting with the premise.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 15, 2012, 11:44:34 AM
The Abrams show that will be gaining more of my attention after Fringe ends this fall is Person of Interest.  I can't state enough just how awesome that show is!!
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: Gandalf Lundgren on May 15, 2012, 01:23:03 PM
I didn't see any episodes, but my friend did & he said that he was not too impressed by it.
Title: Re: ALCATRAZ
Post by: MrTorso on May 15, 2012, 05:56:23 PM
I like Person of Interest too. Glad it got a renewal.