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Title: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 07, 2007, 11:38:56 PM
I hope I'm not in the minority with this thinking, but tonight's return episode of LOST pretty much pwned. And I mean PWWWWNED.

Here's what I posted on 4815162342.com:

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[Why I loved tonight's ep....]

1.) Subtle and not-so-subtle story-development: We can see through the provoking bus-incident that the Others seem even less like scientists and more like mafiosos. Me likey. It definitely helped me understand the Others as menacing and manipulative (er - more so than before).

2.) Back story of an Other: This is pretty much a first for Lost; the show revealed something about an Other's past life all the way back to how she got on the island (at least far enough for us to fill in the gaps as to how she got onto the island). If they give us something like this on Benry, I'd say my bloodlust will be quenched.

3.) Action: Gun-toating Others against desparado Sawyer, and Kate even Han-Soloed old "what's-his-name" the guard. Most satisfying. And the previews lead us to believe that there is an all out seige of the Others' camp. I'm definitely looking forward to that.

4.) Season One Reference: The entire idea of using Jack's story from episode one to confirm Kate and Sawyer's safety was magnificent. Anything that relates to the legendary first season is most welcome in my opinion. I definitely want more of that.

5.) A Step Away from Soap Opera: The problem many had with Lost before (not necessarily something I had beef with) was how mysteries go unsolved and we, the audience, are left bored and confused. Well, that wouldn't have been a problem had the show contained more action to make up for the lack of answers. Today we get that: We aren't given any gigantic revelations, in fact we are left with more hints to piece together, but the overall lack of solutions is countered by the jungle-chasing and shoot-outs etc. This kept me mentally and emotionally involved with the characters throughout the entire episode. Plus, having a progression in the story where some of the characters are now free to return to camp and enlist help allows the audience to feel as though the characters themselves will soon be gifted with glorious and vindicative answers! Huzzah!

I really loved todays ep and am more than glad Lost has returned to us! I hope I'm not the only one who thinks so. Keep up the action and the mystery in a healthy balance and I could watch years' worth of new Lost seasons!

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Anyone agree? I'm kind of a LOST fanatic so it'd be fun to have our own incredibly educated and wonderful thread on this idiot-proof forum as to people's theories etc. Not saying everyone on other LOST boards are a bunch of nimrods, just saying our crowd seems smarter than most ;)

Lemme know what you think guys.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on February 07, 2007, 11:54:36 PM
J-Proof, you just read my mind. I was going to start a thread for tonights episode. I too, am a big Lost fan. Absolutely loved tonights episode. My mind is still processing the ep, so I'm throwing out random thoughts.

That mind-control room Carl was in was c-r-a-z-y. Just when I thought the Others were topped out at kookiness, they throw in something like that. Side note, Carl was in room 23. Another little drop of "the numbers."

I was convinced that Juliet's ex, Edmund, was going to be the same one who offed himself in the hatch. Wasn't that his name? And you're right, we now know how sneaky & dirty the Others can play. As lame as it sounds, I didn't see the bus incident coming. My husband & I just looked at each other in disbelief.

Now, are all the male "Others" sterile? Is that why they need Juliet so bad? Ethan looked just as creepy in tonights episode. Love to hear everyone's thoughts.

 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on February 08, 2007, 12:28:23 AM
I liked it. I thought tonight's episode was way better than the any in the first part of the season. One nitpick for me though. That shot in Miami outside Juliet's window had me laughing! I was born and raised there and if that plane was landing, it was going in the water! Also to get that shot you have to be on another bridge! Other than that, it was a great episode!

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Grillslinger on February 08, 2007, 06:46:11 AM
I loved it!

I also don't understand why people have a problem with not getting the answers right away. It's a long story. The answers will come. Once everyting is answered, there's no more show to do.

I'm glad they're taking their time. I hope the rest of the season is as good as this last episode was.

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrbakasan on February 08, 2007, 06:58:22 AM
I think this was the best episode of the season.  I agree with your points J-Proof.  The shining moments for me were the info about the "purple sky" and that Bat Manuel from the Tick is working for the Dharma corp. 

What gets me is how they throw things in there to get people talking, such as the one character reading "A Brief History of Time."  I'm willing to bet that is somehow a clue or hint to something.  Maybe not.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on February 08, 2007, 07:40:43 AM
I think this was the best episode of the season.  I agree with your points J-Proof.  The shining moments for me were the info about the "purple sky" and that Bat Manuel from the Tick is working for the Dharma corp. 

What gets me is how they throw things in there to get people talking, such as the one character reading "A Brief History of Time."  I'm willing to bet that is somehow a clue or hint to something.  Maybe not.



I can't take credit for this anagram, but Mittelos also spells out Lost Time (or vice versa).
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrCinatit on February 08, 2007, 08:02:47 AM
I thought this was a most excellent episode, and gave me hopes for a show I was quite worried about - some of the season's episodes were let downs.

I loved it!
I also don't understand why people have a problem with not getting the answers right away. It's a long story. The answers will come. Once everyting is answered, there's no more show to do.
I'm glad they're taking their time. I hope the rest of the season is as good as this last episode was.

My problem wasn't with not getting the answers too fast. My problem was actually getting an answer too fast - and not really being too impressed with that answer. Seeing the smoke creature earlier this year was a huge let down.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on February 08, 2007, 10:06:12 AM
Loved last night's episode.  It was cool to see yet another Deadwood alum (after Joanie and Trixie) show up last night (Jane, here playing Juliet's sister), and I just really enjoyed the episode as a whole.  It was hugely entertaining, which is always a good thing.  The next 15 weeks are gonna be fun. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 08, 2007, 10:08:17 AM
Yeah - I have never been bugged with the lack of answers etc - I was only annoyed that they'd go on and on with the show and give us both no answers and no action to keep us involved.

We basically invested six episodes-worth of our lives in the Fall to Jack sitting in a tank, and Kate and Sawyer having incredibly nasty sex in a dirty bear cage.... Season Two ended pretty decent, but most of Season Two was more sitting, waiting, talking, and frustration (and they ruined Locke in that season).

This ep was great - Apocalypto-jungle-running, shoot-em-ups etc... I loved it! They're gonna need more of this to make up for Eko being killed off, and Kate choosing Sawyer imo ;)

I'm also glad Locke is back to being the old Locke, and it looks like he's gonna be going Other-hunting next week!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: torgosPizza on February 08, 2007, 10:20:48 AM
For some reason embedding this like any other flash won't work.

LOST's new Theme Song: http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1739531/ (funny)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on February 08, 2007, 10:39:40 AM
For some reason embedding this like any other flash won't work.

LOST's new Theme Song: http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1739531/ (funny)

I saw that last week, completely cracked me up.  "We're LOST! On an island...of loooove."
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 09, 2007, 04:41:17 PM
I too loved it!

I have to download the episodes because we're so far behind here in Australia, but I am sick of the haters. This show is clever, fun and really entertaining.

I can't wait for the next episode!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on February 09, 2007, 05:09:50 PM
How many more "women of Deadwood" will we see on this show?? 3 so far.
Title: LOST EPISODE 3-FRICKIN-8!!!!
Post by: J-Proof on February 14, 2007, 11:22:27 PM
[turns off tv] [stand up and does some stretches] [twists about] [clears throat] [sprays banaca in his mouth]

.....


HOLY. CRAP.

THAT WAS AWWWWESOME!!!!!
Okay - not to sound like a Lost fanboy (tho I am) - but tonight's episode was AWESOME. AWESOME. I mean - AWESOME.

Spoiler ahead, and I don't feel like using the tag:

Desmond has opened Lost up to the fourth dimension, man - and it was INSANE. I mean - the whole destiny versus choice issue is getting way too cool. And we even got some crazy old lady that /knows/ stuff telling him what to do. Saving Charlie? Oh my gosh..... I'm beyond words.... AAAAAAH.

Major questions:
- How many times has Desmond relived the Island? If only once, then how could he tell what was going to happen to Charlie?
- Who was the old lady? Is she the smoke monster in a different form? How does she know.....things....?
- Will Penny ever reach Desmond? We saw at the end of Season Two that she is looking for him with high-tech equipment.
- Why do cricket ball bats cause people to have incredible dillusions?

Any other thoughts? Cuz I'm really not thinking coherently after this last one! And guess what? Mysteries revealed next week!!

[/turns off tv] [/stand up and does some stretches] [/twists about] [/clears throat] [/sprays banaca in his mouth]
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on February 14, 2007, 11:42:26 PM
I don't know.... I was left with an icky "groundhog day" feeling all over.  Next weeks looks decent.




Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on February 14, 2007, 11:44:07 PM
Wow. I'm having a hard time even wrapping my head around tonight's episode. Once again, random thoughts.

Who knows how many times Desmond has been in the loop. Hmmm.. almost like the numbers being broadcast in a continuous loop. What he said to Charlie was a trip, but seems too obvious now.

Maybe someone is testing Desmond with the old clock lady. J-Proof, you brought up a good point with the smoke monster. When the s.m. was in the form of Yemi, Eko was put to the test. He stood up for himself & well, we all know what happened after that. But maybe that broke the loop for Eko & he's living a different life. Maybe the old clock lady has always been testing Desmond, but doesn't pass "his" test. Therefore, he's sent back into the loop. Shit, who knows. I'm just typing random thoughts.   ???

Next episode can't come quick enough. Can't wait to see what's answered. What were the Others waiting to watch? Aaaaagh, damn this show.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 14, 2007, 11:55:50 PM
Haha - yeah it's interesting. But what's cool is that the rest of the Losties live on linearly, and we don't even flippin' know what's up with Desmond... At least /I/ think it's cool.

What others have already suggested (spoiler):

- Desmond wants to go back in time again, now that he has experienced going back in time once. How did he do it before? Well, by turning the fail-safe key, of course! The objective of going back? To right the wrongs with Penny.

- We know there are a score of other hatches on the island. One of the hatches holds a man with a blindfold in it. Perhaps the blindfolded man has a button to push as well.....and a fail-safe keyhole.

- Desmond lives out his life on the island, to some point in time where Charlie has already died, and they have found the blindfolded man. Desmond sees the fail-safe keyhole, and uses the key to turn the mechanism.

- What Desmond expects will happen is for him to travel back to being in his flat, fallen on the floor with red paint all over him. This is when he gets to right the wrongs between him and Penny.

- BUT - what happens instead is Desmond winds up back on the island to the point where the hatch just blew up, and he is on the island naked.

- In order for this theory to work, Desmond has to have gone back in time at least twice to try and save Charlie, which is the only way he can truly mean it when he says "you can't stop it from happening." Des specifically says he's tried twice already.....

Interesting, no?....I AM SO AMPED for next week already......
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on February 15, 2007, 05:35:33 AM
When Desmond said what he said to Charlie, there was a collective "WOO HOOO!" from everybody watching.  Heh. 

Anyway, I don't think Desmond is actually traveling through time.  Though, I certainly don't know what to make of his precognitive abilities, it was interesting how Charlie was the only person from the island to show up in his "flashback."  I hope in a future episode, that focuses on, say, Hurley, in the background of one of the scenes, you just see a slightly out-of-focus Desmond randomly tackling Charlie.   
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: JonnyFrag on February 15, 2007, 06:05:28 AM
Was the scientist guy at the pub one of the ones who is in the Arctic listening station that called Penelope? Didn't have time to go back and look at the finale yet...

I really thought they were going to finally go all in on a sci-fi twist during the pub scene. Then they were able to paint themselves out of it. The way it ended was with it could have been all in his head.

Expect the part that he really can 'see the future' ....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on February 15, 2007, 06:25:03 AM
Was the scientist guy at the pub one of the ones who is in the Arctic listening station that called Penelope? Didn't have time to go back and look at the finale yet...

I really thought they were going to finally go all in on a sci-fi twist during the pub scene. Then they were able to paint themselves out of it. The way it ended was with it could have been all in his head.

Expect the part that he really can 'see the future' ....

No, I'm pretty sure those guys at the Arctic station were Brazillian or something. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 15, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
The dudes at the station with Penelope are Brazilian (I have a Portuguese friend and she is able to understand everything they said).

As for the sci-fi twist: I really think the producers /did/ do a sci-fi head-over-heels move on us. I personally think it would have been cheap if he had woken up and it was all a dream.

I don't think Des is "time traveling" so much as "mind traveling"...... This show kicks "Heroes" but
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 15, 2007, 10:28:51 AM
PS

Was the scientist guy at the pub one of the ones who is in the Arctic listening station that called Penelope? Didn't have time to go back and look at the finale yet...

I really thought they were going to finally go all in on a sci-fi twist during the pub scene. Then they were able to paint themselves out of it. The way it ended was with it could have been all in his head.

Expect the part that he really can 'see the future' ....

I misunderstood you before: Now I get it. Yeah, maybe that physics professor from the pub was the one calling Penny! Interesting thought.

This season has me absolutely rivetted....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Conor on February 15, 2007, 12:52:58 PM
I enjoyed the episode, and found what they were doing with Desmond intriguing.  What made my expectations take a major dive, though was when they introduced the wedding ring sales lady, who basically explained to him that a guiding principle of the way things work on the island is....The plot of the Final Destination movies.  The "Universe having a plan" thing and being unable to escape death sounded absurd the first time that Final Destination used it to kill off teenagers, and really sounded out of place in the Lost universe.  Hopefully they just forget about that aspect, like so many other forgotten things throughout the course of the show.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 15, 2007, 12:56:54 PM
I enjoyed the episode, and found what they were doing with Desmond intriguing.  What made my expectations take a major dive, though was when they introduced the wedding ring sales lady, who basically explained to him that a guiding principle of the way things work on the island is....The plot of the Final Destination movies.  The "Universe having a plan" thing and being unable to escape death sounded absurd the first time that Final Destination used it to kill off teenagers, and really sounded out of place in the Lost universe.  Hopefully they just forget about that aspect, like so many other forgotten things throughout the course of the show.

Yeah I was uncomfortable about the "universal end" thing - however, Desmond realized that there's hope for change when he saw that the television game prediction was on the wrong night (right before getting the cricket bat to the head). The idea of everything being unchnaging is like the test that Desmond personally needs to go through, and I think come the end of the series, the overall theme that one can choose his own destiny is what Desmond will discover.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 15, 2007, 12:57:25 PM
ps - why does charlie's life matter so much to him? There's tons of other people that will likely need saving as well
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on February 15, 2007, 03:38:21 PM
I need to rewatch the episode myself. I did like the fact that Charlie was singing an Oasis song and the lyrics he is singing:

Because maybe
You're gonna be the one who saves me ?
And after all
You're my wonderwall


Nice touch given the ending of the episode.

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: TedNelson on February 18, 2007, 11:13:21 PM

Big-time fan here, and I thought I'd throw my dart at the board. Even though I'm sure Dennis Kucinich has a better chance at becoming our next president than any of this being plausible.

I'm really hoping the writers aren't going w/ a time traveling theme regarding Des. I've never been a fan of it in general. However, I'm along for the entire ride, and it has been a blast.

My take on Desmond David Hume is that he developed some intense precognitive ability via means of the turning the fail safe key. I don't believe there was time traveling happening whatsoever in the episode. The episode's title "Flashes Before Your Eyes" is in regards to the events that unfolded in his subconscious as he turned the key. He was fusing island elements into the lineage of his entire life.

I believe that Ms. Hawking wasn't anything more than a figment of his subconscious...keeping him away from what he deemed as morally desirable, a life w/ Penny.

Which leads to the reference of David Hume...I cannot see how this isn't a conincidence...taken from Wikipedia on his interpretation on Free Will vs. Determinism...

"Hume's view is that human behavior, like everything else, is caused, and therefore holding people responsible for their actions should focus on rewarding them or punishing them in such a way that they will try to do what is morally desirable and will try to avoid doing what is morally reprehensible."

Desmond was punished for performing the morally reprehensible (betrayal of self), has acknowledged, and will reward himself by an attempt to right it. (All within the lenses of David Hume)

And to toss in Hume's "Bundle Theory of the Self"...

"When we start introspecting, "we are never intimately conscious of anything but a particular perception; man is a bundle or collection of different perceptions which succeed one another with an inconceivable rapidity and are in perpetual flux and movement".

It is plain, that in the course of our thinking, and in the constant revolution of our ideas, our imagination runs easily from one idea to any other that resembles it, and that this quality alone is to the fancy a sufficient bond and association."

Which again, leads back to the title of the episode.

My small take on the episode in general.






Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 18, 2007, 11:25:53 PM
ps - why does charlie's life matter so much to him? There's tons of other people that will likely need saving as well

I think it's not Charlie so much as him wanting to change SOMETHING. He wants to prove to himself that he can change the course of things.

At least that's my take.

I too can't wait for Charlie to die, I really can't stand him, given some of his past stupid moves.

Hey, so, regarding the episode the week before... Why DO the Others want a fertility expert on the island so bad?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 20, 2007, 09:43:42 AM
Hey, so, regarding the episode the week before... Why DO the Others want a fertility expert on the island so bad?

Well - since you live in Aussie-Land, you should just fly out from Sydney on an Oceanic plane and crash on the island so you can ask them yourself =)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Nick on February 20, 2007, 02:03:46 PM
         Hello everybody, new to the boards here, but I have been a longtime MST3K fan and happen to be a Lost fanatic. 
     Remember that brainwashing room that Kate and Sawyer busted through in the last episode? Well the Radio Station I listen to
     played the loud music playing in the background backwards and I could hear a voice saying "Only fools are slaves to Space and Time."
     It sounded very twisted and insane, but after watching the Desmond episode it makes more sense. I believe the Others are trying to
     fight against the Universe while the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815 were brought there to stop them. Maybe thats all wrong, but its my two cents. :)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 20, 2007, 06:12:19 PM
isnt lost just the movie  cube turned into a series on an island?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 20, 2007, 08:48:34 PM
So you've never watched Lost or the Cube?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 20, 2007, 11:23:30 PM
isnt lost just the movie  cube turned into a series on an island?

Lol - not really, yo - it's more like a tv version of the best mystery movie you've ever seen, mixed with the best philosophy book you've ever read, jammed with a ton of biblical rip-offs =) .... That's right, it's kind of like "The Scooby Doo" Series.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 21, 2007, 07:13:22 PM
oh so its not a bunch of people waking up and finding themselves trapped on an island and being monitored by people who may or may not be the government like i thought it was?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 21, 2007, 07:17:01 PM
No, it's not.

It's about a plane crashing on an island that is really weird.

Doen't really look like there's any government involvment either.

Thanks for playing though.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 21, 2007, 07:18:15 PM
well whose to say they werent FORCED to crash. 

but anywho ive never seen the show its just what ive heard of it makes me think of cube. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 21, 2007, 07:25:44 PM
I always find it's best to form opinions without actually trying something.

Then I like to go to forums where people who like said things are discussing them and the bag on them.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: starfighter on February 21, 2007, 08:30:20 PM
   Jack's flashback wasn't that interesting tonight.  I wonder how many times we've had the opportunity to see that tattoo before.
   At least it looks like we'll have several of the original castaways involved in next week's episode.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrbakasan on February 21, 2007, 08:33:54 PM
I thought tonight's episode was hugely disappointing.  The commercials were saying that 3 big questions would be answered.  I have no idea what those three questions would have been.  Any questions that were answered were ones that I certainly wasn't asking.
Title: LOST Ep 3s3
Post by: J-Proof on February 21, 2007, 11:29:00 PM
I thought tonight's episode was hugely disappointing.  The commercials were saying that 3 big questions would be answered.  I have no idea what those three questions would have been.  Any questions that were answered were ones that I certainly wasn't asking.

.....

If I had popcorn in my hand I would have thrown it at the tv today....

WHAT. THE. HECK.

After one of the best episodes ever to run on LOST is gifted to us last week, was it too much to ask that the producers' actually KEEP THEIR WORD??

For goodness sake - what "Three Big Mysteries" were solved today?? NONE OF THEM.

Three biggest mysteries to date:
- Who/what the hell is the black smoke monster?
- Who do the Others work for and why?
- Why are all the castaways still alive?

NONE of these were answered. NONE. They didn't even tell us who eye-patch man was. Effin'....it was like a cry of desparation on the part of the producers: "Check it out tonight, guys! There's gonna be biiiiiiig questions answered!" Um....no. Actually, you guys gave us BS in a cathode ray, and crossed your fingers, hoping for the best.

Whatever.... I still love the show, and it's not like this episode wasn't betetr than most of last season, but NOTHING was answered.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on February 22, 2007, 08:14:01 AM
Last night's episode featured quite possibly the lamest flashback ever.  The stuff going on with Jack and Juliet on the island was far, far more interesting.  But the flashbacks just kept dragging it down.  Who the hell cares about Jack's tattoo?  Couldn't they have explained it off as "Jack really liked Party of Five" and just moved on? 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 22, 2007, 08:21:16 AM
Quote
I always find it's best to form opinions without actually trying something.

Then I like to go to forums where people who like said things are discussing them and the bag on them.

come on now ed, youve been here a while, since when did you ever think i was REALLY being serious, and i am certainly not bagging on Lost. 

But from what i have heard It reminds me of cube, granted most of what i heard seems to be wrong. 

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 22, 2007, 09:15:56 AM
Last night's episode featured quite possibly the lamest flashback ever.  The stuff going on with Jack and Juliet on the island was far, far more interesting.  But the flashbacks just kept dragging it down.  Who the hell cares about Jack's tattoo?  Couldn't they have explained it off as "Jack really liked Party of Five" and just moved on? 

Agreed - read the fan forum stuff - people are PISSED. I mean - the ad campaigns need to get a grip and stop lying to the fans, AND the writers need to seriously think about what they are doing.....

I mean, they've ruined the credibility of some of our msot loved characters:

- Why on earth would Ben send their only surgeon on a dangerous, possibly life-threatening mission at the beginning of the series? That's the stupidest thing Ben could have decided to do, whether or not he knew about his spine tumor. Makes him seem far less informed and well-thought-out than he did when he was being held captive ala Season Two.... Boneheaded move, Lindelhof....

- Why isn't Jack asking the right questions now that he actually has the leverage TO DO SO?? "boo boo bee boo - I want Juliet to live - boo boo...." AAAAAAH..... If I were in Jack's position I'd immediately ask what the heck that black smoke monster is, whether or not the others /made/ the plane crash, what's going on with the kidnapping, and WHO THE HECK IS JACOB???

And those are just from last night's episode. The entire second season was a castration of Locke (my favorite character), and they even killed off Eko before he should have gone. Heck there's countless other idiot moves the producers/writers have taken that I don't appreciate at all.....

The producers seem more and more like the dumb-nuts that made LonelyGirl15. They shoot stuff spontaneously, creating the backstories as they go, and then scoff at the fans when things seem to be falling apart, arrogantly sticking their noses in the air saying, "Well, they just don't appreciate our experimentation of film...."

My advice - GO WATCH JUST ONE EPISODE OF "24" AND LEARN HOW TO KEEP AN AUDIENCE CAPTIVATED FOR FIVE SEASONS.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: the long undertow on February 22, 2007, 10:43:14 AM
isnt lost just the movie  cube turned into a series on an island?

Lol - not really, yo - it's more like a tv version of the best mystery movie you've ever seen, mixed with the best philosophy book you've ever read, jammed with a ton of biblical rip-offs =) .... That's right, it's kind of like "The Scooby Doo" Series.

I would say you've left out the part where most of the references to philosophy, religion, ect. are filler to make everything seem deeper than it really is, and that the mystery is so convoluted and strung along that nothing ever happens and each episode is a series of meaningless character-driven revelations that can't stay consistent and reveal almost nothing of value in the grand scheme of things.  And that half of each episode is flashbacks.

It's like Cube in the case of no one knows the why or how of everything that's happening, but Cube didn't pretend that there was a story beyond the "trapped in a hostile environment" plot and then continue to allude to the complexity of it without ever revealing anything of substance about it.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on February 22, 2007, 12:15:56 PM
Last night's episode featured quite possibly the lamest flashback ever.  The stuff going on with Jack and Juliet on the island was far, far more interesting.  But the flashbacks just kept dragging it down.  Who the hell cares about Jack's tattoo?  Couldn't they have explained it off as "Jack really liked Party of Five" and just moved on? 

Agreed - read the fan forum stuff - people are PISSED. I mean - the ad campaigns need to get a grip and stop lying to the fans, AND the writers need to seriously think about what they are doing.....

I mean, they've ruined the credibility of some of our msot loved characters:

- Why on earth would Ben send their only surgeon on a dangerous, possibly life-threatening mission at the beginning of the series? That's the stupidest thing Ben could have decided to do, whether or not he knew about his spine tumor. Makes him seem far less informed and well-thought-out than he did when he was being held captive ala Season Two.... Boneheaded move, Lindelhof....

- Why isn't Jack asking the right questions now that he actually has the leverage TO DO SO?? "boo boo bee boo - I want Juliet to live - boo boo...." AAAAAAH..... If I were in Jack's position I'd immediately ask what the heck that black smoke monster is, whether or not the others /made/ the plane crash, what's going on with the kidnapping, and WHO THE HECK IS JACOB???

And those are just from last night's episode. The entire second season was a castration of Locke (my favorite character), and they even killed off Eko before he should have gone. Heck there's countless other idiot moves the producers/writers have taken that I don't appreciate at all.....

The producers seem more and more like the dumb-nuts that made LonelyGirl15. They shoot stuff spontaneously, creating the backstories as they go, and then scoff at the fans when things seem to be falling apart, arrogantly sticking their noses in the air saying, "Well, they just don't appreciate our experimentation of film...."

My advice - GO WATCH JUST ONE EPISODE OF "24" AND LEARN HOW TO KEEP AN AUDIENCE CAPTIVATED FOR FIVE SEASONS.

Heh...there, there.  Breathe.  It'll all be okay. 

But no, I agree.  The questions that the fans really want answers to are the ones that have some bearing on the story.  What good does it do to say in a promo that we'll be getting answers to some of the questions, and then show us Cyndi and the kids in the same promo?  Now we know they're not dead, but that doesn't help us much.  And then the scene between Jack and Cyndi was just too damn confusing to be of any use.  I guess some of the questions answered were that the Others work on the little island and live on the big island, and that they have backyards.  Whatever.   

Also, the Others keep saying they're the good guys, but how good can they be if Ethan hung Charlie (although, those of us who would grow to hate Charlie now could definitely see that as a good thing), and killed that random Steve/Scott guy? 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 22, 2007, 12:38:21 PM
isnt lost just the movie  cube turned into a series on an island?

Lol - not really, yo - it's more like a tv version of the best mystery movie you've ever seen, mixed with the best philosophy book you've ever read, jammed with a ton of biblical rip-offs =) .... That's right, it's kind of like "The Scooby Doo" Series.

I would say you've left out the part where most of the references to philosophy, religion, ect. are filler to make everything seem deeper than it really is, and that the mystery is so convoluted and strung along that nothing ever happens and each episode is a series of meaningless character-driven revelations that can't stay consistent and reveal almost nothing of value in the grand scheme of things.  And that half of each episode is flashbacks.

It's like Cube in the case of no one knows the why or how of everything that's happening, but Cube didn't pretend that there was a story beyond the "trapped in a hostile environment" plot and then continue to allude to the complexity of it without ever revealing anything of substance about it.

Lol - your reasoning is precisely the reason why LOST has...well.../lost/ so much of its credibility. Peopel liek to say that if answers are given to us, the show would be over.

I beg to differ.

If you let us know what's going on and THEN introduce something new, then the story can last for eons....ala 24 / Law & Order (for crying out loud......)

And Diggy-Dig: Yeah, I'm breathing. And yeah, I'll be watching next week ;) But honestly, season four won't be worth it if the rest of this season plays out the way it has. Have you checkedo ut fan forums for fan reactions to last night's ep? Not so hot.....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 22, 2007, 12:49:32 PM
bah fans, what do they know  ;)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on February 22, 2007, 01:28:15 PM
J-Proof...no, I haven't checked out the forums.  I figured it'd be a pretty negative reaction to the episode, I mean, it just wasn't that good.  But yeah, I used to do the forum thing back with Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  It's amazing how a group of people on the internet that I don't even know that well could start to affect how I viewed the show.  I try not to do that as much anymore.  I want to LIKE the shows that I like.  Heh. 

Still, I'm holding out hope that this was just a speed bump in an otherwise pretty decent season so far (even if they could have compressed the first six episodes into three, story-wise)(also, we'd have to ignore the death of Eko and the additions of Paulo and Whatever Her Name Is, AKA The Girl Who Pals Around With Paulo).  Although when I hear Damon Lindelof promising that we'll find out how Locke got into the wheelchair in the first place, part of me wonders, will anyone even care?  That seems so...first season.  There are more important things to worry about now.   
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 22, 2007, 02:18:30 PM
Yeah they address big mysteries too late in the show for us to care...on one of the fan forums an avid fanboy is calling me "little fella" to the point where his passive-aggression is almost worse than a Mac-PC Commercial =P

Ridiculous....


Anyway - how much you wanna bet next week the Lost team will raid the island just to find it deserted?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrbakasan on February 22, 2007, 02:38:24 PM
Just in case anyone was wondering what Jack's tattoo actually says, it certainly isn't that BS they were saying on the show.  I read it as "eagle flying through the sky."  It may have some similar meaning, but it certainly does not say what they stated on the show.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on February 22, 2007, 02:44:04 PM
Yeah they address big mysteries too late in the show for us to care...on one of the fan forums an avid fanboy is calling me "little fella" to the point where his passive-aggression is almost worse than a Mac-PC Commercial =P

Ridiculous....


Anyway - how much you wanna bet next week the Lost team will raid the island just to find it deserted?

"Little fella"?  That's like, one of those nicknames that would instantly get under my skin.  Heh. 

And, yeah, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they raided the island and everybody was gone, except maybe Juliet, I guess?  Although, that Carl kid did tell Sawyer that they lived on the main island...maybe they'll remember that.

But I doubt it.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 22, 2007, 05:55:59 PM
Quote
"Little fella"?  That's like, one of those nicknames that would instantly get under my skin.  Heh.

dont worry about things like that buddy. its not worth your energy sport. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on February 22, 2007, 08:08:26 PM
I just finished watching the new episode & found it real dullsville. Very predictable. Maybe something major is revealed down the road pertaining to this ep. But I just don't see it. We learned about half of Jack's tattoo; The Others have their own judicial system (which can be overruled if need be); Ethan was their surgeon; Whoopee.   :-

It was nice to see the kids were okay, but what has been going on with them? What's up with Cindy? Let's see some of those questions answered. And when the hell is Locke going to show up in an episode? This ep seemed totally out of place compared to the previous kick-ass eps we've had since they've returned from break.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on February 22, 2007, 09:14:38 PM
Additionally, the ep was just wooden... Jack and BeiLing's characters just /didn't/ jive well....

I want Eko to rise from the dead and start hitting the others over the head with a shovel.... Now THAT is television....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrbakasan on February 23, 2007, 12:05:55 AM
We learned about half of Jack's tattoo;

I'm figuring the other half is his homage to Party of Five.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on February 23, 2007, 02:58:41 AM


I want Eko to rise from the dead and start hitting the others over the head with a shovel.... Now THAT is television....

With his Jesus stick!
Title: LOST ep 3s10
Post by: J-Proof on March 01, 2007, 10:51:17 AM
As Conor mentioned in another thread, last night's episode was "filler" but at least it was good "filler" =)

Entertaining as it was, it posed this crazy notion that Hurley has the evil wizard powers necessary to attract a meteor to his chicken restaurant.

But aside from that! The ep was very fun, and was far more enjoyable than last week's. This one focused on a character we actually have feelings for, and provided for a decent amount of character development. Thank goodness we are back on the beach, and Danielle Rousseau is back!

hurrah for LOST!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on March 01, 2007, 01:31:13 PM
Really enjoyed last nights episode. Totally entertaining. Kept busting up when they showed Sawyer drinking next to the skeleton (Roger? Raymond?). Should be fun to see Danielle go after Alex. She's a no-nonsense woman. Looks like we'll learn more about Patchy next week. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on March 01, 2007, 02:41:29 PM
Not a bad episode, we didn't really learn anything at all. Cheech as Hurley's dad was pretty good. I knew that Kate was going to find Rousseau and tell her about Alex. This episode was way better than last weeks for sure!

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 01, 2007, 03:06:53 PM
Here's hoping the previews can actually be trusted for next week =P

If all goes as hinted: The manly men, plus Kate and Rousseau, go hunting for Jack, they find eyepatch dude, they dispose of him somehow, and locke accidentally pushes a button or something that causes some really serious problems

But we'll see! The previews for LOST are rarely accurate.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on March 06, 2007, 12:25:05 PM
I was in Vegas all last week and missed LOST until this past weekend.  I was kind of...eh about this episode.  The best parts for me, by far, involved Kate.  I like her SO much more when she isn't attached to either Sawyer or Jack, and actually gets to interact with other cast members.  It's about time she remembered she's a genuine badass, and should act as such.  Hurley's whole story just was mind-numbing for me.  And endless.  How many more times can they revisit that portion of his backstory?  At least the mental institution one was different.  This one was just a rehash of things we've already seen.  It's like, hey, if that's what you're gonna do, why not bring back Kevin Tighe to ruin Locke's life yet again?  Because that hasn't gotten old at all yet!

Anyway, yeah.  I suppose I did like it better than the previous week, but not by a whole lot.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on March 07, 2007, 10:52:48 PM
YES! Tonights episode was pretty good. Let's hope the rest of the season is as good!

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on March 08, 2007, 08:44:34 AM
I thought last night's episode was a marked improvement over the last two.  I always enjoy the Sayid episodes, maybe because he rarely talks about himself on the show, so his past is still a bit more shrouded in mystery than some of the others?  Anyway, Locke is a complete moron. 

And I wanted the chess game to say, "Greetings, Professor Falcon."  But it didn't.  But yeah, I hope this is the start of a solid run of episodes for the show.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 08, 2007, 09:45:37 AM
I thought last night's ep was great! And despite his obsession with board games, I think Locke is the man -- he's actually my favorite character.

Actually, come to think of it, last night featured my three favorite lostie-men -- Locke, Sayid, and Sawyer. Throw some Hurley in there and everything is gravy.

Also - Kate without Jack or Sawyer on her arm is the best Kate the show can offer, so that helped out last night's ep as well.

Hostiles v. Dharma....intriguing =)

Still - I think Desmond's ep was the best of this season.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Wiseblood on March 08, 2007, 09:51:21 AM
Good one Locke, blow up the station with communication equipment, vodka, and a freezer full of beef.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on March 08, 2007, 02:38:57 PM
Really enjoyed last nights episode. Favorite Sawyer quotes, "Who the hell are you?" and the Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon comment towards Sun & Jin. Very nice to see other cast members finally involved this season. At first I was a little mad towards Locke's character, but I think he's just trying to find his way again. I would imagine being responsible for blowing up the original hatch took some toll on him mentally.

We knew Miss Klugh would pop-up someday, but her appearance was a total shock to me. I would've liked to have seen Kate beat on her a little more. She deserved it for all the anguish she put on others.

Sayid's flashback was good, but not great. What did we really learn about his character from that flashback? Can't complain though, it was entertaining.

As far as next weeks episode, looks to be another good one. Wonder how long before they infiltrate The Others camp?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 08, 2007, 02:44:31 PM
Really enjoyed last nights episode. Favorite Sawyer quotes, "Who the hell are you?" and the Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon comment towards Sun & Jin. Very nice to see other cast members finally involved this season. At first I was a little mad towards Locke's character, but I think he's just trying to find his way again. I would imagine being responsible for blowing up the original hatch took some toll on him mentally.

We knew Miss Klugh would pop-up someday, but her appearance was a total shock to me. I would've liked to have seen Kate beat on her a little more. She deserved it for all the anguish she put on others.

Sayid's flashback was good, but not great. What did we really learn about his character from that flashback? Can't complain though, it was entertaining.

As far as next weeks episode, looks to be another good one. Wonder how long before they infiltrate The Others camp?


What was good about Sayid's flashback was, while it didn't answer major questions, it did a very good job of developing his character. I, for one, wanted to see Sayid come to grips with his past. I think this will save him from Smokezilla in the future....

On the contrary: with Jack's flashback, there was no significant character development, ya know? That's why I hated that ep.

As for the purge that Mikhail spoke of, I am pretty sure that the "purge" is smokey. Smokey was sent out to "purge" the island of evil-doers.... Course, I have no neat evidence pulled from obscure 18th century writings, but I think it'd be as good a guess as any to say that Smokey is the great "purger."
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on March 08, 2007, 02:50:58 PM
J-Proof, help me with this one, I'm still a little confused. Did Sayid really torture that lady, or did he just say that hoping they would release him? He seemed really distraught, but couldn't tell for sure.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 08, 2007, 03:02:36 PM
J-Proof, help me with this one, I'm still a little confused. Did Sayid really torture that lady, or did he just say that hoping they would release him? He seemed really distraught, but couldn't tell for sure.

Yeah he actually tortured her. If you watch the DVDs of Season One, you'll see that he was responsible for her hands being burnt in oil etc.

Tough job, but he was a soldier in the Republican Guard, which was probably, realistically speaking, harder than the show made it seem.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on March 08, 2007, 06:12:54 PM
I really need to go back & watch Season 1. There's quite a bit in there I've totally forgotten about. Thanks for the heads up.   ;)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 11, 2007, 06:34:15 AM
On the contrary: with Jack's flashback, there was no significant character development, ya know? That's why I hated that ep.

I think that we actually learned that Jack is a weirdly violent asshole!

Didn't anyone else find it a little f***ed up the way he insisted she give him the tattoo, and the way he got her to do it? They have really reversed Sawyer and Jack's characters this season, Sawyer is by far the nicer / sympathetic character.. Jack is really starting to creep me out.

Also, in response to the most recent episode, John's weakness is starting to frustrate me too. What the heck has him leaving a dangerouse prisoner to play a game of computer chess? Ridiculous!

It was a GREAT episode though, especially following last week's lackluster spisode.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Nick on March 11, 2007, 08:27:40 AM
    Yeah I got angry at Locke because of all the stupid things he did in that episode. He's one of my favorite characters and I hate it when they make him do idiotic things. On the other hand we got a Sayid kicking major ass episode. 8)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on March 13, 2007, 08:02:44 PM
On the contrary: with Jack's flashback, there was no significant character development, ya know? That's why I hated that ep.

I think that we actually learned that Jack is a weirdly violent asshole!

Didn't anyone else find it a little f***ed up the way he insisted she give him the tattoo, and the way he got her to do it? They have really reversed Sawyer and Jack's characters this season, Sawyer is by far the nicer / sympathetic character.. Jack is really starting to creep me out.

Also, in response to the most recent episode, John's weakness is starting to frustrate me too. What the heck has him leaving a dangerouse prisoner to play a game of computer chess? Ridiculous!

It was a GREAT episode though, especially following last week's lackluster spisode.

Locke seemed to have done some silly things but with the chess game, Patches told him he couldn't beat it and you know how Locke gets when you tell him what he can or can't do. That actually seemed in line with the character.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on March 14, 2007, 08:17:37 PM
Whoa nelly! What a great episode. The last scene with Jack & Tom rocked. We finally have confirmation concerning the relationship between Claire & Jack's Dad. Concerning Patchy, I don't think we've seen that "extreme" a death since the pilot episode. Kind of nice to see Lost bring back that edge.

This is the episode ABC should've heavily advertised. But then again, next week looks to be a doozy too. Can not wait for Locke's story  :o  I'm on Lost overdrive right now.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Wiseblood on March 15, 2007, 01:50:29 PM
I loved the ending:

(http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/9195/touchdownhx0.gif)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on March 15, 2007, 05:50:48 PM
The ending was great with jack's showboating spike!  The whole episode was great.  Finally confirmation of Jack and Claire being related. Locke finally growing getting back to Locke. Lots of great stuff with Patchy! "The John Locke I knew was para....."   First episode of this season that I want to rewatch!

Title: LOST EP 3-12
Post by: J-Proof on March 21, 2007, 08:15:47 PM
Okay - could be ep 3-11, don't remember - but anyway

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
AWESOME!!!!!

I don't even know where to begin man.... I don't. And yeah, I sound all fanboy right now, but SO WHAT!?!?!

- a magical box?
- Locke's dad is tied up?
- The island is confirmed to be (radar-wise) "invisible?"
- "I'm in a wheelchair, and you're not?"
- Locke's special connection to the island?

Discuss... I must check other forums
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on March 21, 2007, 09:40:17 PM
Excellent episode. Probably my favorite of the season. Can't believe Cooper pushed Locke out the window. How jacked up is that?! I don't know how Locke has been able to mentally maintain himself for all this time. He was troubled before he was paralyzed. How did that not push him over the edge?

A fun little rumor on other forums is that Locke didn't actually blow up the sub. He moved the sub, then swam back to the dock, then made it appear the sub blew. Locke was pretty wet back on the dock. It will be fun to see that play out.

Loved the ying-yang reference with the chicken. Ben ate the dark meat, while Locke ate the white meat. Lots of great stuff in this episode! As far as Cooper goes, I have mixed feelings as to whether he's really in that room or not. On one hand, since the "sky went purple" smokey hasn't appeared & all of the communications have gone haywire. That makes me believe it really is Cooper & not a manifestation of smokey. On the other hand, this is Lost we're talking about.

Big props to Lost this week. Absolutely loved it   :clap:
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on March 21, 2007, 10:39:17 PM
Yup another decent episode.  Maybe next week the Hobbit goes??
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on March 22, 2007, 02:58:10 AM
I really liked last night's episode.  They seem to be back on solid ground here with a string of really strong episodes.  I'll assume "The man from Tallahassee" that Ben referred to was Locke's dad, although it could be Sayid, done up all Mission Impossible 3 style.  Probably not though.  Poor Sayid, to be that close to a swingset, yet, unable to swing.  And poor Danielle, getting a look at Alex for the first time in 16 years and not being able to reveal herself. 

Locke really likes to blow things up lately. 

Honestly, I think they could make the next four episodes just Ben and Locke talking to each other, and I'd be happy.  They just play off each other so beautifully. 

So, someone dies next week?  I'll guess Paulo (Who? Exactly).   
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Grillslinger on March 22, 2007, 03:30:32 AM
Great episode! Wowee! I am beginning to wonder if Cooper is the ogirinal Jack Sawyer....


Hmmmm...that could lead to some interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 22, 2007, 08:47:16 AM
Well - I definitely think the sub is truly blown up, cuz it made Ben's scheming work out the right way.

Big deal for this ep:
Locke's "special connection" with the island.... Cuz as we've seen, Locke isn't in the wheelchair anymore, but Ben still is....

I can't wait till next week. I think the hobbit goes splat.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: k1 on March 22, 2007, 02:58:16 PM
Just when I started to lose interest the show picks up again.  Sweet!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2007, 10:36:29 PM
I think that was pretty much the worst episode of Lost. Ever.

"Magic Box?!"

The one thing that keeps me going with this show, the thing that makes it really interesting, is that there is suppossed to be a decent "scientific" explination behind it at the end.

I know the "smoke monster" is ridiculous, but I thought maybe it would be nano-bots or something.

The writers insisted that there would be a plausible explination at the end, and shit like a "magic box" really makes that less and less likely.

I mean, I was starting to think there was going to be a "supernatural" part to the whole thing as well... or something... I don't know.

What I DO know is when he took John out into the hallway and said he wanted to show him what came out of the box I said, "It better not be his dad." And goddamn it, it was.

That was the first time I ever go to the end of an episode of Lost and groaned.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on March 23, 2007, 02:01:37 AM
Son of a gun, my TIVO did not record LOST for some reason this week   :angry:

Guess I will have to watch it online...... I think ABC.com shows replays for free?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Grillslinger on March 23, 2007, 03:44:21 AM
Yes....they do put them up the following day. I prefer itunes, not free, but you get a nice big screen resolution.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on March 23, 2007, 05:45:20 AM
I think "Magic Box" is supposed to just be, you know, a metaphor.  There's not ACTUALLY a magic box that Locke's dad came out of because he blew up the sub.  Basically, looking back on the episode, Ben was saying to Locke, "If you are smart enough to get what I'm saying to you, blow up the sub, then I will exchange information with you about what I know about this island."  That's what I took out of the whole thing, anyway.  Locke's dad had been there all along, he was the man from Tallahassee Ben had Tom fetch once Locke showed up there.  Once Locke fulfilled what Ben wanted him to do, Ben revealed they had his father. 

Also, in regards to the idea that Locke didn't really blow up the sub, he didn't look all soaked through like he'd had to swim back to the dock, so I'm thinking he blew it up. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 23, 2007, 06:53:45 AM
I think that was pretty much the worst episode of Lost. Ever.

"Magic Box?!"

The one thing that keeps me going with this show, the thing that makes it really interesting, is that there is suppossed to be a decent "scientific" explination behind it at the end.

I know the "smoke monster" is ridiculous, but I thought maybe it would be nano-bots or something.

The writers insisted that there would be a plausible explination at the end, and shit like a "magic box" really makes that less and less likely.

I mean, I was starting to think there was going to be a "supernatural" part to the whole thing as well... or something... I don't know.

What I DO know is when he took John out into the hallway and said he wanted to show him what came out of the box I said, "It better not be his dad." And goddamn it, it was.

That was the first time I ever go to the end of an episode of Lost and groaned.

Oh no! Don't fall from the state of nirvana that is LOST-geekdom!!!
(I kid, I kid)

The "Magic Box" thing is most likely a metaphor. I doubt that it's an actual "magic" box, especially since Ben, if I remember correctly, didn't say the word "magic" ever...

I actually found this ep to be the best this season - far better than any of the garbage we were forced to watch last season. The Hurley ep was hilarious, and the Desmond ep was great! But this one took the cake, methinks.

The most significant thing about this particular ep is that it showed how Locke has a "special conenction" to the island. Even Ben acknowledges it, which made me tingle.

I actually was hoping Locke's dad /would/ be on the island (if that isn't just a manifestation of black smoke that just-so-happens to /look/ like Locke's dad =P )

I think this season is picking up the trash left behind by last season quite superbly! As someone said before, if the next three eps were jsut Ben and Locke talking, then I'd be MORE than satisfied. Why? Cuz unlike other Losties who worry about nasty bear-cage-sex, Locke wants ANSWERS.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2007, 01:25:55 PM
I think the problem here is that you guys still like Locke, while I think he is a weak, selfish, often stupid asshole. Right now he's my least favourite character, followed by Charlie and Jack.

I'm also pretty sure Ben did use the word "magic," though I can't check until my girlfriend wakes up and I can boot up my computer.

If it is a metaphor, great, but come on, what is it a metaphor for?

This will really have to play out well though, because I am very disappointed with them putting Locke's dad on the island.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2007, 01:43:03 PM
Hey, how far from the Island do you think Michael got before the EMP went off? If he wasn't really far away the engine in his boat would be fried.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 23, 2007, 01:43:39 PM
My least favored character is undeniably Charlie. Sheesh - what a bugger..... He actually was one of my favorites from Season 1.

Locke, Sayid, Sawyer, and Jin are my favorite Losties (in that order).

For me, it's understandable that Locke does what he does - he's had nothing to rely on but his own spirituality for so long, and his need for the island's healing is a compelling motive for all that he's done.

I think the most selfish person on the island has to be Sawyer -- I mean, he's a jerk just to be a jerk. Doesn't stop me from loving to hate him.

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 23, 2007, 01:47:26 PM
Hey, how far from the Island do you think Michael got before the EMP went off? If he wasn't really far away the engine in his boat would be fried.

They are prolly gonna find a boat with two skeletons in it, representing Michael and Walt...

The guy who plays Walt got too old and too big to convincingly play him anymore. And the guy who plays Michael has already started filming a new show for a different network.

The "anomoly" hasn't stopped certain things that are /on/ the island from working, but if it /did/ affect Michael and Walt's boat, I'd say for all storyline purposes, that is should have caused their deaths.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2007, 01:51:32 PM
I'm a big fan of those guys too, just not Locke. He's always too concerned with himself to think about what he's actually doing and who he's endangering, like the other week when he left the prisoner to go play a game of chess. He could have just as easily take the guy with him or waited until the others were back. Or blowing up a submarine, so that HE didn't have to leave, despite the fact that everyone else wanted too. Is there any reason they couldn't leave and he stay?

Locke was my favourite character in season one, but he has really fallen out of grace now.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2007, 01:54:16 PM
Hey, how far from the Island do you think Michael got before the EMP went off? If he wasn't really far away the engine in his boat would be fried.

They are prolly gonna find a boat with two skeletons in it, representing Michael and Walt...

The guy who plays Walt got too old and too big to convincingly play him anymore. And the guy who plays Michael has already started filming a new show for a different network.

The "anomoly" hasn't stopped certain things that are /on/ the island from working, but if it /did/ affect Michael and Walt's boat, I'd say for all storyline purposes, that is should have caused their deaths.

Yeah, I read that about Walt, and yet they were clearly building him up for something, with him being able to appear at different places on the island etc. Do you think it's possible they could have filmed something with them (possibly including a death scene) last season, with the intention of using it at a later date?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 23, 2007, 01:56:38 PM
I hope so. Michael was my least favorite character until I found out he left the show officially.

But I'd still enjoy a wrap up of /some/ sort so that we know what's going on with him....

You can't jsut kill Michelle Rodriguez (droooooool....) and then leave the show without /some/ sort of retribution....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on March 24, 2007, 03:09:28 PM
It would be really cool if we had further closure on Michael & Walt. Did they actually make it out before the key was turned?

In addition, I'm truly looking forward to the upcoming pilot episode Rifftrax. While Lost is my favorite current show, I hope Mike & the gang stop there. Too much other great stuff out there to Riff.   ;) 

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Teaflax on March 25, 2007, 01:14:36 AM
Quote
ying-yang

Sorry, pet peeve. Gotta do this and don't take it personally, because you're not alone in this.

YIN and yang. Ying-yang is slang for penis.

Also, while I'm whining about mangled asianisms, it's hara-kiri, not hari kari.

But, yeah, great episode (and good catch on the yin-yang aspect), although I have to say it was quite clever of Locke's dad to have installed an EZ-Shatter pane of glass in his apartment. Seriously, they should have just bounced off the glass.

Apart form that minor niggle, I liked it and I think it's going to keep getting better now that Brian K Vaughn is involved.

And, no, I'm sure Ben is just screwing around about The Box. That was far from being the dealbreaker that much of the seemlingly random crap in S2 was. There's somewhere they're going with that, and it's probably related to the season ender.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on March 25, 2007, 02:22:48 PM
Quote
ying-yang

Sorry, pet peeve. Gotta do this and don't take it personally, because you're not alone in this.

YIN and yang. Ying-yang is slang for penis.

Also, while I'm whining about mangled asianisms, it's hara-kiri, not hari kari.

But, yeah, great episode (and good catch on the yin-yang aspect), although I have to say it was quite clever of Locke's dad to have installed an EZ-Shatter pane of glass in his apartment. Seriously, they should have just bounced off the glass.

Apart form that minor niggle, I liked it and I think it's going to keep getting better now that Brian K Vaughn is involved.

And, no, I'm sure Ben is just screwing around about The Box. That was far from being the dealbreaker that much of the seemlingly random crap in S2 was. There's somewhere they're going with that, and it's probably related to the season ender.


Teaflax, thanks for the correction on yin-yang. I don't take stuff like that personally   ;)  But you can bet that I'll be using the term "ying-yang" very often.
Title: LOST - 03/28/07
Post by: J-Proof on March 28, 2007, 08:11:03 PM
Wow.... that ep was pretty cool!

I /love/ the dark irony of what happened....

My only issue is, if this is really all there is to their story, then there was really no point in those two existing other than to feed this isolated subplot.

The one item that causes me to think there's more: The presence of that walky talky.

Discuss!!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 28, 2007, 08:17:45 PM
PS:

HOT
(http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0411008/0029_pre.jpg)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on March 29, 2007, 02:41:14 AM
I liked last night's episode.  It was very Alfred Hitchcock Presents.  And, I bet you're right, the walkie-talkie will come into play later in the season.  I loved the ending.  And the return of Arzt.  And Paulo got his wish:  Nikki ain't leaving him now. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on March 29, 2007, 04:43:26 AM
I thought the episode was ok, I think it would have been a lot better if we'd never seen Paulo & Niki before though.  it would have added to the mystery of it and prevented everyone from getting sick of them over the last 10 episodes or so.

On the podcast the producers said we'd feel bad for disliking them after seeing this episode, but I still don't like them, they were murderers and double-crossers....kinda like Sawyer....except they weren't funny...so...screw them.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on March 29, 2007, 05:33:32 AM
Nikki and Paulo were only in like, what, four episodes the whole season?  Not bad to get a regular listing and not be in 3/4 of the episodes.   
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 29, 2007, 06:43:08 AM
A LOT of people at 4815162342's forum (including the mods) are really pulling for the idea that at least one of 'em (hopefully Nikki *drool*) is coming back. Vincent ain't a normal dog, and I think he could tell they were alive somehow.... and dogs like to....dig.....

I personally think Nikki would be the best to make a comeback cuz she was the "worst" of the two. She used her man, was likely the mastermind behind the murder, etc etc, and now has something to repent for (which seems like a popular theme on the island) especially if Paolo does end up dead.

Even if we don't see them in the future timeline of the show, I'm willing to bet we'll be seeing them in flashbacks-- again: walkie-talkie. Tho I really hope the beginning of the next show is Vincent uncovering Nikki, and Nikki zombie-esquing herself out of the earth.

PS: I actually really liked those two throughout their entire run of the show thus far. I thought it was refreshing seeing new faces (especially hers hehe)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on March 29, 2007, 06:52:18 AM
I don't know, I'd think they both would have suffocated pretty quickly under all that dirt. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on March 29, 2007, 07:04:28 AM
I don't know, I'd think they both would have suffocated pretty quickly under all that dirt. 

True dat -- but it's LOST, baby!

Based on the previews for next week, I'd say my hopes of Nikki or Paolo coming back are shattered. However, since when are Lost's previews /ever/ accurate??

On the podcast, the producers said that they would become "iconic" to LOST. Nobody on any other forum can really see how that would be so unless one of em came back in that zombie-esque, rise-from-the-grave sort of way. Whoever /did/ return would be the first to do so, satisfying many many many of the LOST conspiracy-theorists who would love to see a Tor Johnston sort of reawakening.

Course, that'd have to happen in the first five minutes of next week's ep, or else it just ain't happenin'.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on March 29, 2007, 07:28:05 AM
True. 

I'm hoping that next week, Kate and Juliet will be able to recreate the onscreen magic that Stephen Baldwin and Laurence Fishburne had in Fled.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on March 29, 2007, 06:43:50 PM
I don't know, I'd think they both would have suffocated pretty quickly under all that dirt. 

True dat -- but it's LOST, baby!

Based on the previews for next week, I'd say my hopes of Nikki or Paolo coming back are shattered. However, since when are Lost's previews /ever/ accurate??

On the podcast, the producers said that they would become "iconic" to LOST. Nobody on any other forum can really see how that would be so unless one of em came back in that zombie-esque, rise-from-the-grave sort of way. Whoever /did/ return would be the first to do so, satisfying many many many of the LOST conspiracy-theorists who would love to see a Tor Johnston sort of reawakening.

Course, that'd have to happen in the first five minutes of next week's ep, or else it just ain't happenin'.

The skeletons in the cave?


Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 31, 2007, 02:25:44 PM
Course, that'd have to happen in the first five minutes of next week's ep, or else it just ain't happenin'.

Nah, it'd have to be the episode AFTER next, at least the way they're running the show these days. Still, I don't think they'll be back. I DO think they use them in flashbacks though. They'll add something else, I'm just not sure what.

Anyway, I loved that episode. I loved they way they did the flashbacks and peppered these two into the stuff we'd already seen.

It was also cool when Charlie came clean. It makes me like him a little more again.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on March 31, 2007, 05:44:24 PM
My jaw was hanging down by the end of the episode.  :scared:   Couldn't believe they got buried alive. Sure, Vincent could dig them up, but seems like they would suffocate long before that. Loved how Nikki, Paolo, and Arzt were spliced into previous scenes. Arzt was a funny character, too bad he blew up.

The walkie-talkie has to come into play down the road. No way Paolo just held onto it without trying to talk to someone. Either that, or Ben remembered he left it in the hatch & started communicating with Paolo.

Favorite line of the episode came from Sawyer, "Not unless we have a forensics hatch I don't know about." (or something to that effect)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrbasehart on March 31, 2007, 05:47:04 PM
I finally caught up with Lost, as I had about 5 episodes on my computer just sitting around.  It's unfortunate that I don't have anything original to say other than I was really glad that Claire had a spotlight episode: she's been neglected this season in favour of the increasingly annoying Jack/Kate/Sawyer trio.  I'm glad they seem to have split the three up and allowed them to interact with the other characters, Sawyer in particular, gains a lot from his banter with Charlie and Hurley.  Locke is still awesome, though how much more of his backstory can they show? It doesn't seem like there's a lot of mystery left with his history.  It seems increasingly that all the survivors of the plane crash have killed or been responsible for the death of someone...
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 01, 2007, 09:29:49 PM
A health-specialist of some sort (or EMT... I forget) posted on a LOST site that someone in a paralyzed state (who was otherwise healthy beforehand) could possibly survive in that sort of situation for a couple hours tops. Something to do with how all oxygen is reserved for the brain and doesn't need to be used for the rest of the body as much. The major factor is apparently whether or not the subject's mouth was open to allow sand to stop any oxygen from flowing in  through air pockets in the sand.

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 01, 2007, 09:32:50 PM
Oh wow! That's really interesting!

Thanks for posting that!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 01, 2007, 09:36:23 PM
Oh wow! That's really interesting!

Thanks for posting that!

Yeah - so if you are bit by one of those evil spiders, make sure your mouth is closed tightly =P

Also - the guy said that an increase in your chances of survival would be if the subject were lying face down. The spinal column and rib cage would adequately support your ability to take small breaths without the force of sand crushing down on you.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 02, 2007, 12:20:28 PM
Listening to the recent podcasts, I realized a disturbing truth - The Lost producers just....DON'T care that fans get upset.

I mean, why should they, I know -- but they say repetitively that people keep saying wtf to them, and they just laugh it off =P
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on April 02, 2007, 03:36:54 PM
I finally got a chance to watch last week's episode....... pretty cool.

I dunno if it will advance the whole story line a lot, but "story cul du sacs" like this are good for shows and give the writers a chance to stretch their legs.    Pretty cool, pretty creepy.

And if neither character comes back in later shows, that is fine with me.

All I ask is to be entertained and this episode did it.

Bravo.


Lost is not perfect by any stretch, but since shows that I consider perfect shows like Keen Eddie, Firefly and Angel get canceled and shite like American Idol, Smarter than a 5th Grader, Any show with Jim Belushi stay on the air, I am greatful for what I get.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 02, 2007, 11:35:19 PM
Yeah - a country that screws up X-Files has a lot of catching up to do =P
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Teaflax on April 03, 2007, 12:34:22 AM
Listening to the recent podcasts, I realized a disturbing truth - The Lost producers just....DON'T care that fans get upset.

I find that to be comforting rather than disturbing.  It means they have a clue about where they're going and won't just follow the whims of the masses.

And now they have Brian K Vaughan. I think it's going to be just fine, as long as they set an actual end date soon.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 03, 2007, 03:49:48 AM
Listening to the recent podcasts, I realized a disturbing truth - The Lost producers just....DON'T care that fans get upset.

I find that to be comforting rather than disturbing.  It means they have a clue about where they're going and won't just follow the whims of the masses.

And now they have Brian K Vaughan. I think it's going to be just fine, as long as they set an actual end date soon.

Ditto!

Lost has done right by me so far, I trust them.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Grillslinger on April 03, 2007, 05:06:44 AM
They have set an official end date....they're just not telling us about it.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 03, 2007, 06:46:24 AM
I've heard the number five thrown around quite matter-of-factly in terms of what season will be LOST's last one.

I really hope it's true -- as much as I love LOST, they needa have a firm finishing point. That was X-File's problem -- they tried to string the audience along and milk us for al lwe were worth!!

LOST would do best creating its killer story (and it's definitely killer so far), and then releasing and RE-releasing special edition DVD sets etc etc so that an underground following of new viewers will pop up through word of mouth and all the like.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 03, 2007, 08:29:47 AM
I definitely think they should end after 5 seasons.  As much as I'm enjoying season 3, there's definitely a sense that they're doing a lot of setup work this year, to prepare for a season 4 full of confrontations and battle lines being drawn.  Then season 5 would be the kind of mop-up/resolution.  And while the flashback structure still works for the most part, mostly due to the way they've tweaked a lot of the recent flashbacks so that they're more island-based, or from characters whose past we've yet to delve into, lately when they've had straight flashbacks for characters who've been around since the beginning (such as, oh, say, Hurley), by and large they've just not been that interesting.  And when that happens, it really drags down the episode as a whole. 

But that's my only real quibble, otherwise, I still love the show.  But I do definitely agree that a proper end is necessary to have all plotted out already, so I hope they stick to that 5 season timetable.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 03, 2007, 08:47:10 AM
Yeah -- I agree with you for the most part. I really liked Hurley's ep, but Jack's flashbacks suck -- I mean, who cares about his tattoos??

Another thing -- Provided they stick to the five season format, they need to make the Season Four finale a gigantic reveal that answers just about everything. Just my opinion of course, but the show would be most successful if we knew (for the most part) all of the dangers, consequences, and reasons behind everything so that season five can carry on with that impending tone of peril for the first half, and give us a satisfying conclusion through the second half.

This show should have, dare I say it, a Tolkien ending. It shouldn't just zip everything together in the series finale. I think almost an entire season should be dedicated to wrapping everything up.

That being said -- what the heck will happen to these people after they are rescued (if at all?) -- Kate gets arrested, Sawyer stands trial, Jack goes back to stitching people up, Locke can't walk, and Sayid buys daisies???
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 03, 2007, 09:13:10 AM
Interesting point about what happens to them after they're rescued...maybe someone like Kate would actually WANT to stay on the island.  Sayid would probably want to find Nadia, so he can be all, "You're my one true love, except for that brief fling I had with some blonde girl whose name escapes me even though I once professed to love her as well, but that was only because she was dead and I had to say something at the funeral other than 'she was pretty much an ineffectual bitch, but damn she was smoking.'"

Actually, I'd kind of enjoy it if that's how they wrapped up Sayid's story. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 03, 2007, 09:44:59 AM
I'm wondering if an "escape" from the island would truly be "the end" so to speak...

I could easily seeing DHARMA or whatever chasing these guys down once they're back in their normal situations....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 03, 2007, 10:53:27 AM
There definitely could be a lot to explore beyond the island.  I wonder if we'll ever get a story from the point of view of someone not actually ON the island that is related to what's going on (outside of Penelope), so we get a better idea of what the Dharma Institute is all about.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 03, 2007, 11:09:26 AM
They should do some random ep wher you're like, who are these people? And it winds up they have some tie-in to the island...

I'm wondering what the story is behind the guys who were with Penelope in that arctic tent.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on April 03, 2007, 11:16:34 AM
I always thought a great trick would be to have regular episode with the 'flashback' and everything but then over the course of the flashback it's revealed that it's actually taking place in the future and it's flashing forward to after they got off the island.

It would be a nice way to wrap up each chracter's storyline but they'd have to make it cryptic enough so you didn't know exactly who made it off the island or how.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 03, 2007, 11:22:07 AM
I always thought a great trick would be to have regular episode with the 'flashback' and everything but then over the course of the flashback it's revealed that it's actually taking place in the future and it's flashing forward to after they got off the island.

It would be a nice way to wrap up each chracter's storyline but they'd have to make it cryptic enough so you didn't know exactly who made it off the island or how.

oooh.....

WHOA.......

That'd be pretty cool actually!!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on April 03, 2007, 12:16:54 PM
I really hope it's true -- as much as I love LOST, they needa have a firm finishing point. That was X-File's problem -- they tried to string the audience along and milk us for al lwe were worth!!

Once upon a time Chris Carter had said X-Files wouldn't go longer than 7 seasons. Maybe if one of his other shows was successful that would have happened. He had to go back to the X-Files well since he couldn't get any other shows off the ground.

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 03, 2007, 12:32:04 PM
Yeah - can't really blame Carter I guess -- there were SO many factors in the whole "What the heck happened to X-Files??" equation....

LOST, however, just /has/ to have a firm finishing point. Unlike X-Files, just about every episode of LOST ties in somehow to the main storyline. X-Files was able to diverge almost whenever cuz the story was being written as it went. But LOST is plotted very meticulously each week to furhter the story in /some/ way...
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Teaflax on April 03, 2007, 12:58:00 PM
But LOST is plotted very meticulously each week to furhter the story in /some/ way...

I don't think that this was the case i S1 (in fact, I have heard from several reputable sources that it wasn't). They really were making it up as they went along to a large extent.

I think that's why S2 was a bit of a mess; they had to take all the loose ends from S1, decide where they were going and then start pulling them in the right direction and not until things were sort of lined up could they start doing a lot of the neat stuff they're managing now.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 03, 2007, 01:08:35 PM
Yeah - what I've heard (and what the producers have said) was that the overall idea was plotted out, and that they are still following that roadmap from point a to point b.

However, /how/ they get from point a to point b using that map is up to them. So a lot of the character deaths and disappearances etc were decided after the entire umbrella-plot was laid out. Sort of like pro-wreslting =) -- they know who needs to "win" but not exactly how they get there lol.

Evidence supporting your claims:
- Jack was supposed to die at the end of the pilot ep.
- Ana Lucia was /not/ originally one of the people they planned to get shot.
- Ben was only scheduled to be in three eps when they started out with him.
- Michael and Walt were not originally intended to "never be seen again."
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 03, 2007, 01:12:31 PM
Jack was supposed to die?!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 03, 2007, 01:51:49 PM
yeah - they had scripted him to die at the end o the pilot episode. He wasn't supposed to make it passed smokey. The pilot's body in the trees was initially conceptualized for Jack's death. Smokey would have mangled Jack and left him in the trees, and I assume the pilot would either be alive still in Jack's place, or just dead in the airplane.

The reason why they didn't just kill Jack was because (I believe) of JJ Abrams (or some other top-cat at ABC). They said that killing a character off that the audience was so emotionally invested in would be cheap and anti-climactic enough for the show to lose viewership after just the pilot episode.

So as you can see form just that tid-bit -- the LOST writers don't always know /everything/ that's gonna happen with the characters. Season One was designed very carefully before shooting, and last minute decisions to keep Jack alive meant final-hour story scripting with EVERYTHING that has happened to Jack so far:
All the flashbacks, the love triangle with Kate, the healings that Jack participated in, jack's dad being a pimp etc....

Must be a stressful but fun job trying to figure out all these little character arcs so that htey fit within the major storyline!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Teaflax on April 03, 2007, 01:54:59 PM
Sort of like pro-wreslting

Well, yeah, but without the insane amounts of excess violence and entirely willing stupidity.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 03, 2007, 01:58:23 PM
whoa whoa whoa.....

I LOVED pro-wrestling as a teen man =)   WCW of course....

Lost would be 100% cooler if this guy jsut popped out of a tree somewhere and started wailing on people with a baseball bat!

(http://www.ripthesystem.com/wrestling/wcw/sting3.jpg)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Teaflax on April 03, 2007, 02:25:45 PM
Pumed-up machismo is really silly to begin with, but play machismo with characters, choreography and dressup?

Naw, it's just incredibly laughable. Sorry.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on April 03, 2007, 02:26:54 PM
Pumed-up machismo is really silly to begin with, but play machismo with characters, choreography and dressup?

Naw, it's just incredibly laughable. Sorry.

I think someone is cruising for a Stinger Splash...... :speechless:
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrbasehart on April 03, 2007, 03:37:29 PM
Pumed-up machismo is really silly to begin with, but play machismo with characters, choreography and dressup?

Basically like every action film ever made.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Teaflax on April 04, 2007, 01:01:40 AM
Pumed-up machismo is really silly to begin with, but play machismo with characters, choreography and dressup?

Basically like every action film ever made.

Yeah, but dumbed down and gayed up.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 04, 2007, 06:40:47 AM
I see nothing gay or unentertaining about Donald Trump smacking Vince McMahon!!

And back in the day (when I watched pro wrestling) when "Hollywood" Hulk Hogan and the NWO were terrorizing the squared circle, and Sting came back from defeat as The Crow, pro-wrestling was damn fine entertainment.

And as was said before, there's really no difference between pro-wrestling and other mindless action movies / tv shows =P
It's all fake, baby!

And speaking as a former wrestler (not pro-wreslter, but freestyle club wrestling), I'd have to say that the singlets etc may have seemed gay to the third party / spectator, but the gals didn't mind it one bit ;)

Anyway! LOST is on tonight so I have cleared out my nirvana section of the entertainment room, and will be working on centering my energy for the rest of today after work =)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 04, 2007, 06:41:38 AM

Yeah, but dumbed down and gayed up.

That's a good description of Sanjaya Malakar.  


Anyway, to be slightly on topic again:  LOST!  Woo!  New ep tonight, can't wait!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 04, 2007, 08:12:09 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOkay....

That ep was sweet -- so very very sweet...

Here's why: "We don't know what it is but we know it hates our fences."

Apparently there's things on this island that the others don't know anything about -- which I like. It adds to the suspense when there's something that hates /everyone/ hehe...

And the mysterious disappearance of ALL the others....yeah...that's hot.

Next week looks sweet as well! We have questioning of Juliette, and quite possibly....answers....

I may be a LOST fanboy, but I think this season kicks some much needed ass. Anyone agree that this ep was awesome?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 04, 2007, 08:14:56 PM
PS - you gotta love an ep with a TON of smokezilla in it =)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on April 04, 2007, 08:24:03 PM
Great to see smokey back. Good episode, no complaints here. Any guesses on what those flashes were when smokey got close to Juliet? Was Juliet tripping out, or was it actually from smokey? The flashback was decent. Interesting to see Kate team up with Sawyer's ex.

So Locke joined The Others for now. Wonder if he's playing them, or has really joined them. I believe him when he said he doesn't want to leave the island. So far a lot of positive things have happened for him. Fun to see that play out.

Hope next week fills in more pieces of the puzzle.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 04, 2007, 08:52:19 PM
Yeah, next week's ep looks fantastic....

And is that for sure Sawyer's ex? Do you have any references that can back that one up? On other forums I can't get clear feedback about it. People are more intrigued by Locke and the monster's flashy-ness =)

As for the flashiness, I think it was like-- scanning her brain. Apparently, she had never come in contact with it in this way -- alone in the jungle....defenseless...

LOST ROCKS!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Gooseboy on April 04, 2007, 10:28:04 PM
And is that for sure Sawyer's ex? Do you have any references that can back that one up?

Uh... well It was the same actress they've used in two other Sawyer episodes.  Don't you recognize a Deadwood lady when you see one?  I guess she could be Saywyer's ex's twin but I don't think that's too likely.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on April 05, 2007, 01:44:03 AM
I guess I always thought the :"Others" were responsible for smokzilla from one of their odd experiments...... now MAYBE that is not the case.   Maybe they really did create it, but she just does not know it. 

Maybe Smokzilla is like the energy monster from "Forbidden Planet" and was created by accident?

Anyway, good episode.

And yes, that was Sawyers old girlfriend/con victim.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Grillslinger on April 05, 2007, 04:00:45 AM
Great episode. I love watching smokezilla with the surround sound on. Smoley Hokes! I wonder where the writers are going with Locke. I love this turn. Ben offered him the one thing he could never turn down...knowledge about the island.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 05, 2007, 06:38:36 AM
Yeah, Grillslinger, I /really/ liked that season one ref made by your above spoiler -- very cool!

Okay, I don't feel like spoiler tagging anything, and I'm going to assume that this thread is openly being discussed by people who keep up with the eps, so I'm just going to ramble off now:

Why didn't Smokezilla just fly over the sonic walls? This isn't a complaint -- it's a thought provoking question, really:
A.) Smokey is completely objective and goes straight for its target, and the walls just so happened to be in the way (unlikely)
B.) Smokey is controlled by something underground (EM?) and the sonic walls obstructed it.

The only thing giving point A. any credit is that the walls don't only seem to be repellant -- they seem to trap anyone that tries to go through them. Mikhail didn't just touch it and get blown back and say "OUCH!" -- He was literally stuck there until he died. So if Smokey does initially just go straight for his target (which implies that smokey is not human-intelligent) than it isn't hard to believe that the walls "hurt" it the same way it hurt Mikhail...

As for the Other's homes, should the Losties relocate to them and start living safely within the fenceline? Poses an interesting thought.... While there /are/ security cameras everywhere, they can easily be destroyed. I guess the only thing to really worry about is the possibility that a secret form of surveillance sits within the Other's camp. I'm sure Jack is gonna mention the idea of relocating next week.

PS -- Nikki is dead =(
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 05, 2007, 06:44:28 AM
Definitely Sawyer's ex, Cassidy, which they even showed in the "Previouslys," but yup...always good to see Joanie Stubbs on LOST.  Or Trixie.  Or Jane.  They have a lot of people from Deadwood guest starring on this show.  I hope Dan Dority makes an appearance.  Or Wu.  Or, well, Al would be awesome, too.

Anyway, last night.  I liked it, especially for a Kate episode, which usually leave me kind of bored.  It's just that we've seen SO MANY flashbacks of her running away from the law.  It was a nice little story this time around though.  To have Cassidy, who they re-introduced this time doing the same con job she pulled with Sawyer, therefore someone Kate probably shouldn't trust, actually help out Kate...it was just cool that they played that one straight.  

I was so thankful that Sun didn't smile at Sawyer at the end.  Hooray, continuity!

So, questions abound though:  why gas Juliet, handcuff to Kate, and leave her in the jungle, and yet give her a key to the cuffs?  What's the purpose of leaving Jack and Sayid behind still in the village?  Why was Jack still passed out a full day after the gas canisters went off?  How did Juliet know the force field would be off?  Why can't the smoke monster go over the force field like Kate, Sayid, and Locke did?  

Also, Sayid is probably right to not trust Juliet.  Although, I'm not sure I approve of his "She's not coming with us" decision.  Sayid, if you don't trust her, why would you want to just let her go?  At least if she's with you, you can keep an eye on her.  
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 05, 2007, 06:51:35 AM
You know what I've found about Sayid? He's never wrong..... lol

I believe, also, that Juliet purposefully handcuffed herself to Kate. Like she said -- "If you thought we were in it together blah blah blah yackity schmackity...."

I was wondering about the fence as well... perhaps she knew the fence was off cuz of the lights on the switch? There's probably a bunch of explanations as to how she knew the fence was off.

What I found really intriguing, to reiterate from my last post, was how Smokey went straight into the wall and didn't fly over. I really lean toward the explanation that the fence obstructed Smokey's source of energy (a magnet underground perhaps....)

Very awesome ep!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 05, 2007, 06:57:40 AM
Yeah, I was reading your last post after I posted mine, and it had some interesting, thought-provoking ideas.  And, there's definitely a metallic sort of sound to that monster, kind of a clackety-clack noise to it, that makes me think there's something metal in there, so magnets might not be out of the question.

I sort of wish I got into LOST after it was all already done, so I could just watch all the episodes back-to-back and not have to wait anymore for the answers.  The perils of getting into a show right at the ground level, I guess.

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MarkAndrew on April 05, 2007, 07:02:41 AM
They have a lot of people from Deadwood guest starring on this show.  I hope Dan Dority makes an appearance.  Or Wu.  Or, well, Al would be awesome, too.

Al Swearingen on the island would be awesome...and R-rated.  I'd love to see him put Jack in his place.  God know, Sawyer can't be everywhere.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 05, 2007, 07:04:17 AM
Lucky for us, though -- next week we may be getting some answers.....

Sayid said he'd kill Juliet if she didn't give him all the information he wanted....

Things that will most likely be answered:
- where are the kids?
- why did you kidnap people?
- why don't you know what smoezilla is?

We probably won't get answers to the following gigantic mysteries:
- what is smokey?
- where are the others going?
- who are the others?
- what happened to Dharma?
- four-toed statue - wtf???
- healing powers???

This season has certainly been getting better and better. What I really am curious about, too, is what's the deal with Penelope?? We see her for a split second last season at the very end of the finale, and now nothing more....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 05, 2007, 07:06:31 AM
A friend of mine also raised an interesting point about Smokey:  why doesn't it ever go down to the beach?

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 05, 2007, 07:16:10 AM
A friend of mine also raised an interesting point about Smokey:  why doesn't it ever go down to the beach?



Perhaps his energy source is localized in certain areas?

Back in season Two, Episode LOCKDOWN, we got to see the neon map. People have taken that map on other prominent LOST forums and tried to decipher it as much as possible. On the map, people think they have located different "vents" where Smokey can come out of. Whenever we see Smokey, there's always some sort of explosion that pops outta the ground.....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 05, 2007, 07:26:07 AM
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMap.jpg

I've had the map bookmarked on my work computer for about a year now.  Heh. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 05, 2007, 01:21:29 PM
I'm diggin' all the idiotic theories that people have posted since last night on other forums =)

I swear, half the kids posting in those forums are twelve and under.....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrbakasan on April 05, 2007, 06:04:48 PM
I'm diggin' all the idiotic theories that people have posted since last night on other forums =)

If you are diggin' theories than dig this...I think I've solved it and if I haven't, then this should be the big reveal.  I was rewatching one of my favorite rifftrax actually when I figured this out...and it wasn't the Lost rifftrax.

(Spoilers)

So...The Dharma corp is obviously a Buddhist reference.  From there we can surmise that reincarnation is playing a part in why Dharma corp has chosen these specific people to live on this island.  Here is where it gets tricky.  The Dharma corp had captured the worst villan in history and sealed him below the island.  Who you ask?  I'll explain in a second.  What gave it away was that when Desmond turned the key and the magnetic energy came out...so its obviously Magneto living under the island trapped behind lock and key.  When they didn't input the numbers he almost got out but was able to get little more that a big magnitic pulse. 

Dharma hoped if they could get all of the reincarations of his rivals on the island that there mutant powers would be awakened, so when Magneto does escape (and he will) the worl will be saved.  So basically Sawyer is Wolverine, Jack is someone worthless like Cyclops, Locke is Professor X, Hurley is of course the Juggernaught and as we will find out in the fifth season that Hurley is Locke's half brother.  Boone and Shannon were of course the Wonder Twins, which is why they killed them in season 1.  Charlie is Nightcralwer and so on so forth.  Anyway, I hope the show hasn't been too ruined for anyone who wanted some suprises.

I do honestly believe though, that Vincent WILL get his own flashback episode.  Mark my words.


Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 05, 2007, 09:43:41 PM
My crazy LOST theory:

This theory relies heavily on the greatest piece of literature ever written, which is, of course, "The Mandalorian Armor"....

See, the people that crashed on Flight 815 obviously went through a time warp (obviously) and are now in the past....dead...sort of. See, their human bodies are pretty much gone due to them being in a freakin' plane crash, but the electromagnetic holy-crapness of the island has kept their thoughts alive in the form of "fake" people (obviously).

Their thoughts are now running rampantly around this island, imagining/manifesting everything that we (the viewer) sees on the tv.

The Others? Oh my my my -- they are obviously fake imaginary friends (obviously) created by the black smoke monster (who is the physical form of the grim reaper). They exist merely to screw with the Losties' liquor stashes, and tweak on heroine.

While most people think the black smoke monster is an enemy trying to attack and/or kill helpless losties, he's really just trying to keep the losties out of the central jungle area, which is where (you guessed it) the zombies are (obviously). These aren't normal zombies, they are DHARMA psycho cadavars that like to eat not human flesh, but fake-thought-person flesh (so you can see why these particular zombies are dangerous to fake-thought-people such as the losties).

Sharks you ask? No no no, they are genetically manipulated sardines -- the result of a bad sewage spill, and radioactive dinoflagellates in the water (obviously).

Furthermore, Jack is Kate's real father, Sawyer is Jack's nephew-in-law, Kate is Locke's long lost daughter, Rose is Jack's biological mother, Charlie is an Oompa Loompa spawned with a cob of corn, Claire is really Juliet's sister, Ben is really Aaron's dad, Hurley ate some wires in the plane (which he thought was noodles at the time) which is what brought the plane down, Jin and Sun are actually siblings and don't know it, both of whom were Mikhail's children, Mikhail isn't dead, he's just sleeping, Sayid is badass, Ethan is the product of a successful goat-and-human genetic procedure, Eko is actually white, and HIM is actually Vincent...... (obviously)

Oh, and by the way -- the producers have no story -- the whole show is a cruel experiment being done on society.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 06, 2007, 04:08:44 AM
I was watching the Season 2 finale last night, and I got to thinking:  when Locke showed up in the Swan Station, Desmond asked him "Are you him?"  and  "What did one snowman say to the other," as a way of figuring out whether or not he was some Dharma guy.  And Kelvin also asked Desmond that.  So, I'm wondering if the show will ever have the "him" they referred to show up.   
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 06, 2007, 06:27:30 AM
I'm betting "him" will be on our tv screens at the very end of the finale.... they like to do those last minute segments in the finales where something big an unexplainable happens.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 06, 2007, 09:26:13 AM
Kind of like the guy with the hat that walks into the movie at the end of "The Deadly Bees"?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Pak-Man on April 06, 2007, 01:44:59 PM
I'm betting "him" will be on our tv screens at the very end of the finale.... they like to do those last minute segments in the finales where something big an unexplainable happens.
(http://www.fantasykat.com/ch/Images/hil/him3.jpg)
No clue what anyone's talking about, but I had to pop in and drop off this pun. :^)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on April 06, 2007, 01:53:02 PM
I was watching the Season 2 finale last night, and I got to thinking:  when Locke showed up in the Swan Station, Desmond asked him "Are you him?"  and  "What did one snowman say to the other," as a way of figuring out whether or not he was some Dharma guy.  And Kelvin also asked Desmond that.  So, I'm wondering if the show will ever have the "him" they referred to show up.   

I doubt it, the him was just supposed to be the next shift, the next guy to work in the station, given that Dharma seems to have abandoned the island the next shift never showed up.

Remeber that the producers said at the start of the season that the outside world would play a bigger role this season after the season 2 finale so I reckon we'll be seeing some of that soon
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Gooseboy on April 07, 2007, 11:06:22 PM
Anyone seen this?  Pretty funny.

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I'm guessing that this is probably not too far off from what's really going on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on April 08, 2007, 03:40:48 AM
Ha, that is pretty funny.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 09, 2007, 02:22:44 AM
I was watching the Season 2 finale last night, and I got to thinking:  when Locke showed up in the Swan Station, Desmond asked him "Are you him?"  and  "What did one snowman say to the other," as a way of figuring out whether or not he was some Dharma guy.  And Kelvin also asked Desmond that.  So, I'm wondering if the show will ever have the "him" they referred to show up.   

I doubt it, the him was just supposed to be the next shift, the next guy to work in the station, given that Dharma seems to have abandoned the island the next shift never showed up.

Remeber that the producers said at the start of the season that the outside world would play a bigger role this season after the season 2 finale so I reckon we'll be seeing some of that soon

But Dharma hasn't entirely abandoned the island, they're still making supply drops on there as of Season 2, which would have been about two weeks ago in "island" time. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on April 09, 2007, 02:36:27 AM
Dharma hasn't entirely abandoned the island, they're still making supply drops on there as of Season 2, which would have been about two weeks ago in "island" time. 

Oh yeah, hmm, I forgot about that...
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 09, 2007, 04:34:41 AM
Also, I was watching Lockdown last night, from Season 2, and at one point Sawyer mentions that he's been to Tallahassee, which, seeing how that's where Locke's dad is apparently from, I can't imagine that being a coincidence. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on April 09, 2007, 04:41:35 AM
Yeah, it's pretty commonly assumed that Locke's dad is the original Sawyer
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 09, 2007, 05:03:58 AM
Right, but Sawyer clearly doesn't know that yet.  So it'll be interesting if their paths crossed already and he didn't realize he was standing in front of the man responsible for the death of his parents. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 09, 2007, 07:45:03 AM
a mystery from season two that I am VERY interested in is the four-toed statue... I mean... wtf??

also -- will jack ever find out that he and claire are bro/sis?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 09, 2007, 08:34:33 AM
I bet Juliet and Ben know that Jack and Claire are sisters.  They seem to know everything else about the castaways. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 09, 2007, 08:42:09 AM
Some suggestions that people seem to be making in other forums about the others:

- Some have super strength (like Ethan) -- a lot of people consider Juliet to be a little tougher than the average blonde as well...

- Ben has super-brain-powers -- cuz he seems to just /know/ what to do.....


That being said, I dunno about the super-stuff, but I think Ben and Juliet know just about everything about the losties. And I'm certain that they know Jack and Claire are related (and that Sawyer and Locke are related).

Again - FOUR TOED STATUE??
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on April 09, 2007, 08:50:53 AM
I dont think the four toed statue really means anything.   If aliens are watching our TV airways, they will see the Simpsons and wonder about the four fingered humans.

Maybe some statue building made an artistic decision.    I think they can get away with only have that there for the "mystery" factor without there really be nothing behind it.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 09, 2007, 08:55:39 AM
I dont think the four toed statue really means anything.   If aliens are watching our TV airways, they will see the Simpsons and wonder about the four fingered humans.

Maybe some statue building made an artistic decision.    I think they can get away with only have that there for the "mystery" factor without there really be nothing behind it.

It's possible -- I mean, we haven't seen anything in reference to that statue yet, and the season finale is coming up.

I hope the finale has LOTS of smokey and LOTS of Ben/Locke in it. And I hope Juliet gets her mack-on with Jack, and Kate walks in on them and runs away crying..... muahaha! Serves you right Kate....dirty bear-cage sex indeed.....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 09, 2007, 09:15:30 AM
I'm hoping the 3rd season finale has Charlie dying, played over and over again from multiple angles, in agonizing slow-motion, for 43 minutes.

That would leave this LOST fan completely satisfied until season 4 kicked off. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 09, 2007, 09:23:35 AM
Charlie was never that entertaining a character....

They could have known SO much about the island if Sayid "questioned" Ethan...but Charlie shot him in cold blood first...

Then Charlie became progressively more annoying... And his obsession with Claire is lame... I can see Calire and Sawyer being happy together before seeing her and Charlie settlin' down together....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on April 09, 2007, 09:28:25 AM
Charlie was never that entertaining a character....

They could have known SO much about the island if Sayid "questioned" Ethan...but Charlie shot him in cold blood first...

Then Charlie became progressively more annoying... And his obsession with Claire is lame... I can see Calire and Sawyer being happy together before seeing her and Charlie settlin' down together....

And her being with Charlie would indeed be "settling".
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 09, 2007, 09:31:32 AM
Charlie:  Frustrating fans who want answers since 2004.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 09, 2007, 09:35:20 AM
Claire is with Charlie, but I don't really see the two together and assume "Oh yeah, they're happy...." no what I mean?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on April 09, 2007, 09:48:53 AM
I'm hoping the 3rd season finale has Charlie dying, played over and over again from multiple angles, in agonizing slow-motion, for 43 minutes.

That would leave this LOST fan completely satisfied until season 4 kicked off. 

 :clap: :clap: ;D
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 09, 2007, 10:12:39 AM
I'm hoping the 3rd season finale has Charlie dying, played over and over again from multiple angles, in agonizing slow-motion, for 43 minutes.

That would leave this LOST fan completely satisfied until season 4 kicked off. 

 :clap: :clap: ;D

Charlie:  You All EveryboDIE.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 11, 2007, 08:11:50 PM
Oh man... This ep was awesome... and it ended awesome....

I'll be back tomorrow with paranoid commentary =)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on April 11, 2007, 09:08:09 PM
As far as Juliet goes, I think she may be playing Ben. After all the emotional distress he's put her through, no way she's still backing him. I think it was a perfect opportunity to break free from The Others camp & attempt to join Jack, Kate, etc.

On a side note, did anyone else notice towards the beginning of the episode, when Juliet & her sister passed through the entrance of Mittelos Labs; the closing gate sounded very similar to when Smokey approaches.

I'm still a bit confused concerning Claire's implant. Why was it there in the first place? Also, why are The Others still concerned about the passengers from 815? What more do they want from them?

I'm still trying to process everything from tonight's episode. But overall, solid episode, really enjoyed this one.   ;D

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on April 11, 2007, 09:34:05 PM
How about the preview for the next week's ep with the voice over saying its the beginning of the end? Maybe the 4th season will be it for sure.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Mr.Nobody on April 12, 2007, 01:30:01 AM
As far as Juliet goes, I think she may be playing Ben. After all the emotional distress he's put her through, no way she's still backing him. I think it was a perfect opportunity to break free from The Others camp & attempt to join Jack, Kate, etc.


I thought she might be trying to play Ben too, but then why not just come clean with Jack so that they can set up some kind of plan?  Afraid maybe?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 12, 2007, 02:48:23 AM
Excellent episode.  And, as Jack said, Juliet wants to get off the island more than ANYTHING.  And, once again, Sayid is right not to trust people.  Sayid's always right.  Heh.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Conor on April 12, 2007, 05:42:39 AM
Oh man... This ep was awesome... and it ended awesome....


I agree.  Probably one of the best all season.

One of my questions is, who is the guy that Ben said would cure her sisters cancer?  Is that some sort of higher up guy we don't know about or did I just forget who it was? He said something like "Joey assured me he would take care of it."

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Grillslinger on April 12, 2007, 06:16:59 AM
The Others have talked about having a great leader, and it is not Ben they are talking about. I think that's who Jacob is. Yesterday, what Ben said was along the lines of, "Jacob told me he would take care of it himself...or don't you believe in him either?"

So this Jacob is apparently someone they hold in very high regard.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 12, 2007, 06:27:38 AM
Yeah, Jacob's name has come up a few times in the last 6 or 7 episodes.  I'm thinking he's their leader, or at least the next level of leadership above Ben.

I wonder, with Mikhail's appearance last night, if he's actually an Other, or if he WAS telling the truth when he said he was the last surviving member of the Dharma Initiative.  Maybe he defected from there to the Others. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 12, 2007, 07:06:35 AM
I think Mikhail was telling the truth about Hostiles v. Dharma. And I believe the Others that we know and love are the "hostiles" he spoke of. Whether or not Mikhail was a Dharma Initiate who defected is probably of no concern anymore, but would be a neat little addition to his arc. The term "hostile," though it carries a negative connotation, still has no context within the scope of the show, because we don't know if Dharma was itself "good" or "bad."

If Dharma is bad, than the Others (as "hostiles") would be considered "good" since they are the "enemies" of Dharma (despite their ends-justifies-the-means sort of attitude). However, if Dharma was good, than the opposite of the former is true -- and the Losties are in trouble...

As for last night -- Juliet is probably doing what Ben says in order to get off the island. I think her main driving force right now is just getting off that rock, and she'll do what it takes. Is she evil? I don't think so. I think her feelings toward where her allegiance lies is true to her own words -- she's all on her own (with the exception, perhaps, of Jack).

Last night's ep was great for several reasons: We get another glimpse at the splendor that is Jacob. Who the heck is that guy?? We also get a look at Ben as not being a liar....manipulative, but not a liar. And, of course, we see Kate all nice and clean! Which I really aprpeciate cuz nasty bear-cage sex is the worst.....

I am /really/ curious about the island's nature... Ben had a tumor that was never supposed to be there. Does this mean the island is smart about who it heals? Is there some sort of character trait that one must possess for healing to take place?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 12, 2007, 07:31:44 AM
It's interesting how the character of Ethan has had more layers added to him long after he's dead.  After last night, you can kind of speculate that the troubles with pregnancies may have pushed him over the edge a little.  That could have been why he flipped out and took Claire when exposed in season 1 rather than calmly explain himself.  You know, if they're actually "good" guys. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 12, 2007, 07:35:23 AM
One thing I don't get is WHY the Others have to be secretive.... It almost makes no sense, and has been called out numerous times in other forums...

As the Others, would it not have made sense to visit the crash sights and say: "Hi, we're the Others, and we have some really sweet houses, with protective fences around it. We have food, shelter, and gear. And we'll be happy to help you if you help us."

Why sneak into their camps, gather info, and do all this heinous stuff that breaks potential trust and bartering opportunities?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 12, 2007, 07:53:17 AM
PS:

Danielle HAD to have had her baby BEFORE landing on the island, or else there is a MAJOR consistency flaw with the whole island-pregnancy issue
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: robertraur on April 12, 2007, 07:54:15 AM
One thing I don't get is WHY the Others have to be secretive.... It almost makes no sense, and has been called out numerous times in other forums...

Well, that can be summed up with one line Juliet said to Sayid "If you knew the whole truth, then you would kill me."  We don't know all their atrocities, but the others wouldn't have been able to get all 100 or so survivors on board with their line of thinking.

This is also just a guess, but this flight is probably not the first one to crash on the island (we've seen a boat and another plane so far).  They may be secretive because they have learned their lesson on previous tries.

As for the episode last night, very nice.  Be sure to check out next week's episode because acclaimed graphic novelist Brian K Vaughn co-wrote it.  
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: RandyMistie on April 12, 2007, 07:54:54 AM
Anybody see today's "PVPonline"?  Very funny stuff and LOST related...http://www.pvponline.com/ (http://www.pvponline.com/)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on April 12, 2007, 08:24:05 AM
Yeah, Jacob's name has come up a few times in the last 6 or 7 episodes.  I'm thinking he's their leader, or at least the next level of leadership above Ben.

I wonder, with Mikhail's appearance last night, if he's actually an Other, or if he WAS telling the truth when he said he was the last surviving member of the Dharma Initiative.  Maybe he defected from there to the Others. 

The name came up notably in the episode with Alex's boyfriend in the 'Clockwork ORange" chair. There was something about jacob flashing on the screen.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 12, 2007, 09:01:02 AM
PS:

Danielle HAD to have had her baby BEFORE landing on the island, or else there is a MAJOR consistency flaw with the whole island-pregnancy issue

Unless the island-pregnancy issue is a somewhat recent development.   
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 12, 2007, 09:02:11 AM
hmmm --- true -- they only needed Juliette three eyars ago, and Danielle crashed fifteen years ago.... Good point
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 12, 2007, 09:22:38 AM
Also, Ben mentioned that he spent his whole life on the island, so assuming he was born there, it probably wasn't a problem at that point. 

Last night, after the episode, I started watching the season 2 episode where Claire remembers what happened to her while she was kidnapped.  One moment that is now kind of amusing:  While keeping Ben prisoner in the hatch, Locke gives him Dostoyevsky to read.  Ben asks, "Got any Stephen King?"  Guess the Book Club really took for him.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 12, 2007, 09:24:37 AM
Ben is just a fnatastically well-written character. I couldn't imagine anyone else portraying him....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 12, 2007, 09:55:50 AM
He really is.  That was, in my mind, where Season 2 really became awesome, once he showed up.  Michael Emerson is just magnetic in the role.  You can't take your eyes off him when he's on screen. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: robertraur on April 12, 2007, 11:00:08 AM
Danielle HAD to have had her baby BEFORE landing on the island, or else there is a MAJOR consistency flaw with the whole island-pregnancy issue

Not really.  Back in Season One, he did mention that all of her co-workers were getting sick.  We know nothing about these guys, and the sickness she could be referring to is they were dying because they were pregnant.

The original sickness storyline was completely dropped, and what we assumed the sickness was (turning everyone into baby stealing savages) could be the pregnancy thing.  Her place could be quarantined.  Or whatever. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 12, 2007, 11:55:17 AM
Yeah -- assuming that all of Danielle's peeps were pregnant, then I could see how the "sickness" could be related to what happened to Claire.

Of course, there's still tons of /other/ things about the island that we don't know about.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 12, 2007, 01:53:41 PM
Here's a crazy mystery for ya.....

Juliet was drugged at the Hererat Airport in MIAMI, and woke up in a sub at THE ISLAND (which is somewhere off course from the Fiji / Australia area).

What a lost-fanatic spelled out in another forum is that what we witnessed in last night's episode is realistically impossible. In order to travel the distance from Florida to Fiji, you could expect a 39 hour flight. The amount of sedatives they gave her wouldn't have kept her out for that long, or else they would have needed to hook her up to an IV to keep her alive (which they didn't). Also, for hygene's sake, they would have had to place her in a patient's gown and given her a flippin' bed pan....

People have already suggested the Bermuda Triangle or some other crazy uber-transport system that would have gotten them from Florida to Fiji faster.

Any ideas? I dunno if the bizarre such as the Bermuda Triangle is my first guess, but it seems to fit the puzzle.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on April 12, 2007, 01:57:38 PM
I assumed that there would be a "different" method of travel involved especially the way Ethan and Bat Manuel talk about it.

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 12, 2007, 02:38:50 PM
But how bizarre and "different" would you say? Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on April 12, 2007, 02:44:15 PM
I don't know. Wormholes...teleportation.. something to do with electromagnetism? Whatever keeps the island from being found probably plays a role in  how they get there.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on April 12, 2007, 03:45:08 PM
Here's a crazy mystery for ya.....

Juliet was drugged at the Hererat Airport in MIAMI, and woke up in a sub at THE ISLAND (which is somewhere off course from the Fiji / Australia area).

What a lost-fanatic spelled out in another forum is that what we witnessed in last night's episode is realistically impossible. In order to travel the distance from Florida to Fiji, you could expect a 39 hour flight. The amount of sedatives they gave her wouldn't have kept her out for that long, or else they would have needed to hook her up to an IV to keep her alive (which they didn't). Also, for hygene's sake, they would have had to place her in a patient's gown and given her a flippin' bed pan....

People have already suggested the Bermuda Triangle or some other crazy uber-transport system that would have gotten them from Florida to Fiji faster.

Any ideas? I dunno if the bizarre such as the Bermuda Triangle is my first guess, but it seems to fit the puzzle.

What's to say they did not put her in a hospital gown with a bed pan and keep her drugged for the majority of the flight, then just change her back into her clothes when they got close to the island?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on April 12, 2007, 06:04:26 PM
Just reading over at aintitcoolnews.com there has been a shift with the remaining episodes. I'll post this as a spoiler:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: robertraur on April 13, 2007, 03:51:19 AM
I watched the episode again last night and the chart that Ben gave Julie could not have been her sister.  If you look in the upper part of the screen on the second page it was for a 187 pound male.

As for the trip, she took the sedative and woke up the next morning.  Since they started in an airport, they probably got to within 100-500 miles of the destination and went by submarine the rest of the way.  Strapping her in just made it easier.  And as for going to the bathroom, if Jack from 24 doesn't go in the same time period, its conceivable that everyone on television is just holding it  :).

And I'll put my response to the spoiler in spoiler text
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on April 13, 2007, 04:41:53 AM
Well most characters die during their own flashback episode so *fingers crossed*

They have switched around flashbacks before, the 2nd episode of season 2 was originally going to be a Sawyer flashback but they switched it to Michael/Walt when they realised the story was more about him losing his son.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 13, 2007, 08:43:41 AM
If they got within a hundred miles by airplane to the island, and somehow switched to a submarine in the middle of the ocean.... then the submarine would still be bound to a speed of about 10 - 40 knots to avoid being identified by pretty much the entire world. I don't buy that they would be able to transport her any other way than the bizarre from Miami to this island in the middle of nowhere, somehwere south of Fiji.

I can agree to the "everyone on TV holds their urine" bit, but the simple fact that THAT much sedative without an IV is lethal convinces me that they have some sort of uber bizarre transport system. yes you could argue that she had an IV and they took it out and dressed her back in her clothes....but I think the first thing her character would notice would be bandages on the inner side of her elbow and the tips of her fingers etc.... Of which she had none.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on April 13, 2007, 08:48:22 AM
Are you just going to dismiss the "wandering island" theory?

It's possible she never got on a plane and they just took her straight to a submarine from the airport, then took her to the island, which was close to Miami at the time, and then the island happened to be near Fiji three years later when the plane crashed.

It's possible....kinda
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Mr.Nobody on April 13, 2007, 09:00:23 AM
PS:

Danielle HAD to have had her baby BEFORE landing on the island, or else there is a MAJOR consistency flaw with the whole island-pregnancy issue

Was it ever established if Ben was Alex's biological father or not?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 13, 2007, 09:01:52 AM
Oh yeah -- I've totally read a lot of wandering island theories. I suppose that's possible. It's definitely bizarre =)

But a major hint about how she got to that island is in Ethan or Richard's dialogue.... one of em said it's a bumpy ride or something. I'm hoping for stargate...hehe....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 13, 2007, 09:04:09 AM
Was it ever established if Ben was Alex's biological father or not?

It's heavily hinted throughout the eps that he's lied to her.... that Ben just "adopted" her and /told/ her he was her father.....

Aside from speculation nothing has been determiend for sure.

And as for the quote you quoted me as saying: We kinda debunked that one. Juliette was only required on the island three years ago, which implies that the pregnancy issue is relatively new to the island. Danielle's been there for fifteen years now....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on April 13, 2007, 09:11:49 AM
Something that would support the "super-fast-transport" theory is the way Ben talked to the guy that was filming Juliet's sister.  The way he asked him to come back to the island as quickly as possible, it came off more like a "come back home from the shops" kind of way than a "catch a really long flight/sub ride and see you in a few days" kind of way.  I don't know if anyone else got that impression.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 13, 2007, 09:15:16 AM
I totally did --

I've heard people suggest everything from space travel to teleportation lol -- I really hope it IS something bizarre, and that it's really cool....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 13, 2007, 09:16:47 AM
PS:

There's also the issue of planes and ships having crashed on the island that really didn't belong in the islan'ds path.... If the island wanders.... then why hasn't it bumped into anything yet???
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on April 13, 2007, 09:20:02 AM
It would be hilarious if they ended the show and it was all just a kid's dream (ala St. Elswhere..... I think).

Imagine the HUNDREDS of fan boards glowing red hot with rage!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 13, 2007, 09:23:11 AM
Oh goodness.... it wouldn't be funny-- I could see mass hysteria and suicides over LOST lol.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on April 13, 2007, 09:29:01 AM
There's also the issue of planes and ships having crashed on the island that really didn't belong in the islan'ds path.... If the island wanders.... then why hasn't it bumped into anything yet???

umm..umm..maybe the island quickly scoots five miles to left whenever something is about to hit it....?

OR maybe it has, if the survivors bothered to look over the rest of the island they'd have seen the "Alcatraz" island as well as 10 ocean liners and a cruise ship that crashed into it over the years.

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 13, 2007, 09:58:33 AM
What if it's all just like total recall.... Vincent the dog wakes up in  the series finale to see that he's been drugged....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 13, 2007, 10:43:04 AM
I think the LOST finale should end with Chris Keller setting up the murder of Schillenger, telling Beecher he loves him and throwing himself over a railing, and then leaving a package for the Aryans full of Anthrax that clears everyone out of Oz.  *SHUDDER*

WORST.  FINALE.  EVER.

Also, McManus is a great big giant douche. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 13, 2007, 10:50:38 AM
I think the worst finale ever would be if Mulder finally returns just to find out that his sister actually might /not/ have been abducted, and that the smoking man is still alive (though bound to a wheelchair), and then some choppers come by and blow up stuff.... Then the final moments of the show give us absolutely zero pieces of the puzzles that we were presented with and tons of fans go to bed crying.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on April 13, 2007, 11:05:32 AM
I think the LOST finale should end with Chris Keller setting up the murder of Schillenger, telling Beecher he loves him and throwing himself over a railing, and then leaving a package for the Aryans full of Anthrax that clears everyone out of Oz.  *SHUDDER*

WORST.  FINALE.  EVER.

Also, McManus is a great big giant douche. 


I agree. The OZ finale was a suck-fest.


Getting back to Lost, I definitely got the impression The Others travel back & forth fairly easy. As mentioned before, when Ben tells Richard to get back, it sounded like he had to drive a few blocks to get back; not take a long boat/sub ride. And yes, a Stargate would be awwwwesome. I'd love to watch a scene where one of The Others steps into a time portal & arrives on the island.  ;)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on April 13, 2007, 12:03:33 PM
Just reading over at aintitcoolnews.com there has been a shift with the remaining episodes. I'll post this as a spoiler:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)


aintitcoolnews.com updated their story concerning the remaining episodes. I like this much better:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 13, 2007, 12:05:30 PM
Him and his father after his father was shown in the "magic box" episode?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 13, 2007, 12:13:41 PM
Maybe it's like "Another 48 Days" or whatever the episode was called where it focused on the Tailies.  No flashbacks, but kind of a flashback in and of itself.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on April 13, 2007, 12:16:40 PM
I think the LOST finale should end with Chris Keller setting up the murder of Schillenger, telling Beecher he loves him and throwing himself over a railing, and then leaving a package for the Aryans full of Anthrax that clears everyone out of Oz.  *SHUDDER*

WORST.  FINALE.  EVER.

Also, McManus is a great big giant douche. 

OZ lost focus the last two years (e.g. the whole aging drug saga) and should have ended two seasons prior.   That ending stunk.

And I really did not like how Sienfeld ended either.   Surprising considering how funny Sienfeld and Larry David are.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on April 13, 2007, 03:18:14 PM
Maybe it's like "Another 48 Days" or whatever the episode was called where it focused on the Tailies.  No flashbacks, but kind of a flashback in and of itself.


Bingo. That's probably exactly what they'll cover. Good call.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 14, 2007, 05:39:36 AM
I think the LOST finale should end with Chris Keller setting up the murder of Schillenger, telling Beecher he loves him and throwing himself over a railing, and then leaving a package for the Aryans full of Anthrax that clears everyone out of Oz.  *SHUDDER*

WORST.  FINALE.  EVER.

Also, McManus is a great big giant douche. 

OZ lost focus the last two years (e.g. the whole aging drug saga) and should have ended two seasons prior.   That ending stunk.

And I really did not like how Sienfeld ended either.   Surprising considering how funny Sienfeld and Larry David are.

Said killing Adebisi was simultaneously awesome and like, the worst thing that ever happened to the show. 

And, yeah, that last Seinfeld episode was really boring.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 18, 2007, 05:39:45 PM
1.5 hours till the new ep! I'm unrolling my yoga matt as we speak so that my inner energies will all be facing the right direction!!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 18, 2007, 08:12:17 PM
Whoa whoa whoa.... That was a fantastic episode but who the heck was that????
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on April 18, 2007, 08:38:36 PM
How quick did that hour go by?! Ahhhhhh, I want more. Okay, I'm a bit calmer now.

Good episode. I really thought Charlie got it at the beginning of the show. That would've been one hell of a shocker. No warning, just wham, right in the neck. Oh well.

I really have to believe Kate is pregnant. The way she was acting at the water hole totally resembled the aftermath of morning sickness. We'll see.

I'm not looking forward to the introduction of another new character. Maybe she won't be around that long. Just enough to give up some info.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 18, 2007, 08:40:29 PM
K -- the new character is Marsha Thomason (formerly of Black Knight, and Las Vegas)

She goes by the name of "Naomi" in LOST

(http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/premiere_photo/20050906/02/3699974781.jpg)

She's a cutey -- I dig it when gals have tats
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on April 18, 2007, 09:33:15 PM
Nice work J-Proof   ;)   I never would've guessed that's who the pilot was. I remember her from Las Vegas.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 19, 2007, 02:45:00 AM
Well, I loved how they kept showing Charlie getting shot in the throat.  And I loved how annoyed Desmond sounded when he finally told Charlie to duck.  But it was a pretty good episode, and moved the story along.  A couple questions:  in what language was the copy of Catch-22 that Desmond found?  And, when Desmond turned in his monk robes, they showed a quick shot of a photo of the monk, with a woman in the picture with him.  Did anyone see who that woman was, and if she had been on the show before?

I'm gonna assume for now that the girl who landed on the island was hired by Penny to find Desmond.  Maybe. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: robertraur on April 19, 2007, 04:01:43 AM
Well, I loved how they kept showing Charlie getting shot in the throat.  And I loved how annoyed Desmond sounded when he finally told Charlie to duck.  But it was a pretty good episode, and moved the story along.  A couple questions:  in what language was the copy of Catch-22 that Desmond found?  And, when Desmond turned in his monk robes, they showed a quick shot of a photo of the monk, with a woman in the picture with him.  Did anyone see who that woman was, and if she had been on the show before?

I'm gonna assume for now that the girl who landed on the island was hired by Penny to find Desmond.  Maybe. 

Yes she has been on the show before.  Remember when Desmond went to buy Penny a ring and store owner told him that he had another destiny.  That was her.  Pretty cool.

Also, great fanboy rant between Hurley and Charley concerning the fastest man.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 19, 2007, 07:02:35 AM
What language was the copy of Catch-22 that Desmond found?  And, when Desmond turned in his monk robes, they showed a quick shot of a photo of the monk, with a woman in the picture with him.  Did anyone see who that woman was, and if she had been on the show before?

1.) The language is Portuguese.
2.) The lady in the photo is the "Oracle-esque" lady from Ep-"Flashes Before Your Eyes"
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 19, 2007, 07:28:38 AM
Ahh, very nice of them to throw her in there, in order to tie in how Desmond would have been hallucinating her or whatever in the previous Desmond ep.

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 19, 2007, 07:36:49 AM
All's I know is, she's a hottie lol --

Okay not to objectify -- I think it's fantastic that someone not previously on the island is now there!!! That could suggest all /sorts/ of things for how they could possibly get off that rock....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 19, 2007, 07:44:19 AM
Well, people can't complain a la Paulo and Nikki that "they weren't really there the whole time," at the very least.  Also, someone who was INTENTIONALLY trying to get to the island, I think that's a bonus too.  Someone who might even have people tracking her?  Well, that could upset the entire order of the Others' delicate island balance.  I do believe I like where this could be going.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 19, 2007, 10:20:18 AM
She was most likely able to get there because of the "anomoly" that Locke caused.... Because the button wasn't pushed and the failsafe key was turned, some sort of protection the island once had from  people purposefully landing there is now gone.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on April 19, 2007, 10:38:14 AM
Ahh, very nice of them to throw her in there, in order to tie in how Desmond would have been hallucinating her or whatever in the previous Desmond ep.


i took it to mean that the monk, like the shop-lady, are guiding Desmond's future for some reason.  He made it so that he would meet up with Penny and the shop lady made it so he would later leave her.

It's going to be interesting how this new girl fits into that, maybe she works for Penny, like the artic-radar guys
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Teaflax on April 19, 2007, 11:50:54 AM
1.) The language is Portuguese.

Which ties in to the Antarctic (?) station at the very end of Season 2.

And, man, I wouldn't have minded to have Charlie really go, especially since it would actually be unexpected and I've been sick of him since season 1.

And comic book characters referenced in the very first episode (co-)penned by renowned comics author Brian K Vaughan? Imagine that. Just for that, I bet he didn't write that bit.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 19, 2007, 12:52:58 PM
In regards to the book, and the title of the ep being "Catch 22," many fans are saying that the catch 22 from the ep was this:
"Save Charlie and Penny /won't/ be on the island. Let Charlie die, and Penny /will/ be on the island."

Well, the above isn't really a catch 22. A catch 22 would be this:
"You need to save Charlie for Penny to be on the island. You need Penny on the island in order to save Charlie."

I bring this up because a bunch of fans are annoyingly suggesting that Penny would have been the one in the parachute had Desmond let Charlie die.

I think that Naomi was /always/ going to be in that parachute no matter what Desmond did or did not do.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 19, 2007, 02:52:28 PM
In regards to the book, and the title of the ep being "Catch 22," many fans are saying that the catch 22 from the ep was this:
"Save Charlie and Penny /won't/ be on the island. Let Charlie die, and Penny /will/ be on the island."

Well, the above isn't really a catch 22. A catch 22 would be this:
"You need to save Charlie for Penny to be on the island. You need Penny on the island in order to save Charlie."

I bring this up because a bunch of fans are annoyingly suggesting that Penny would have been the one in the parachute had Desmond let Charlie die.

I think that Naomi was /always/ going to be in that parachute no matter what Desmond did or did not do.

Yeah, what the internet folk are saying is not a catch-22.  That's...not really anything.  And to top it off, it doesn't exactly make sense.  Desmond never saw Penny ON the island (at least, that we saw), so I'm with you:  Desmond's actions would not have changed whether or not it was Naomi on the island. 

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 25, 2007, 08:18:04 PM
HOLY. FREAKIN'. CRAP...... [/Frank Barone]

Did...anyone else hear her say.... that the plane was found.... and there were NO survivors?????

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 25, 2007, 08:39:06 PM
DISCUSS!!!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: robertraur on April 26, 2007, 02:54:55 AM
Not a bad episode.

As for the crash, I think the only thing you can say about it is Ben probably had something to do with it.  He avoids the bookclub, appears mysteriously out of a hut and moves into action.  Very curious.

With Patchy alive, it brings back the possibility of other people alive on the island.  While I doubt anyone that is buried will rise from the grave, Mrs. Clue was begging to be shot.  Who knows?

Desmond being Jacob is also gaining steam.  So far, two people in his flashbacks have treated him as a Godlike deity.  You think it was to push a button?  And the mysterious talk between him and Charlie.  Defending an other?  Its blasphemous unless you are one.

As for the Sun's DOC, could Juliet have been lying to Sun and Ben in order to find a subject that will give birth on the island?  Maybe.  And what about the whole conception on the island?  They have a sub, just send prospective parents on a honeymoon and let them come back.  What's so important about doing it on the island?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on April 26, 2007, 04:40:45 AM
HOLY. FREAKIN'. CRAP...... [/Frank Barone]

Did...anyone else hear her say.... that the plane was found.... and there were NO survivors?????

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Purgatory!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 26, 2007, 05:11:19 AM
I don't think "purgatory" so much as "Someone back on the mainland pulling strings and having a giant conspiracy theory, staging an accident and claiming all the passengers are dead so that nobody will be looking for the survivors that are stuck on this big ol' island of secrets."

Was Mikhail's patch always over his right eye? 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on April 26, 2007, 05:50:42 AM
I don't think "purgatory" so much as "Someone back on the mainland pulling strings and having a giant conspiracy theory, staging an accident and claiming all the passengers are dead so that nobody will be looking for the survivors that are stuck on this big ol' island of secrets."

Was Mikhail's patch always over his right eye? 

Well that is what I think too, but it fun to throw the P-word out there. The producers have said over and over again that it is not purgatory.


Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: robertraur on April 26, 2007, 05:59:53 AM
HOLY. FREAKIN'. CRAP...... [/Frank Barone]

Did...anyone else hear her say.... that the plane was found.... and there were NO survivors?????

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Purgatory!

Its not going to be Purgatory.  There are plenty of ways to make an airplane dissapear and just say everyone died.  Just say they crashed in the ocean and no one was recovered.  Ben or the Hanso Foundation are covering this up.

I still say it's more important to find out why must they have babies on the island.  And was it something the Dharma Initiative did that caused this to happen (an unexpected externality)? 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on April 26, 2007, 06:09:56 AM
I don't think "purgatory" so much as "Someone back on the mainland pulling strings and having a giant conspiracy theory, staging an accident and claiming all the passengers are dead so that nobody will be looking for the survivors that are stuck on this big ol' island of secrets."

Was Mikhail's patch always over his right eye? 

Well that is what I think too, but it fun to throw the P-word out there. The producers have said over and over again that it is not purgatory.


That would be kind of amusing, actually.  "It's not Purgatory!  It's not Purgatory!"  Four years later... "Okay, it's Purgatory.  We were just messing with ya."
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 26, 2007, 07:08:48 AM
My Theory:

The plane goes down pretty much how we see it go down. Desmond misses the button-pushing and the EM pulls the plane apart over the island.

Ben sends his task force to go check it out. During the first couple weeks of the Lostie-Chronicles on the island, Ben finds the pieces of the plane that were washed out to sea (especially the entire tail section), and has them hauled out into the middle of the ocean.

In the meantime, the Others' counterparts on mainland send a search party to go "find" the plane. The scraps of a 737 and a bunch of mangled bodies are discovered, but gee -- no survivors are in sight. The search party then returns to mainland and pronounces all passengers dead and drowned.
__________

I don't think this contradicts any of the "evidence" that the producers have given us through the Lost ARG (such as the fake "Drive Shaft" website and the fake "Oceanic Airlines" website). I believe in all the crash-related clues they have given us extraeneously from the actual show, that the Losties are viewed as dead.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 26, 2007, 07:09:31 AM
Perhaps the most important thing we can deduct from what Naomi said, is that there's no rescue team looking for the 815 survivors....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on April 26, 2007, 07:38:16 AM
All I know is that it is going to be a loooooonnnnnng wait for Season 4 to start in January 08!  I hope they don't wait that long to release the Season 3 dvds.


Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 26, 2007, 08:37:35 AM
You know it.... I'ma lose my social skills all winter watching the season three eps over and over again

They NEED to move the show back to 9:00 tho.... It's sill number 1 in it's target audience for the timeslot it's at, but who wants to wait till 10:00 to watch a tv show?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on April 26, 2007, 08:41:04 AM
You know it.... I'ma lose my social skills all winter watching the season three eps over and over again

They NEED to move the show back to 9:00 tho.... It's sill number 1 in it's target audience for the timeslot it's at, but who wants to wait till 10:00 to watch a tv show?

Time slot doesn't bother me much. Here in AZ we get it at 9:00. Most of the shows i like to watch come on late any way. The Shield, South Park, etc
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on April 26, 2007, 11:28:42 AM
What the hell, Patchy is alive?! Was he just close to death & the island super-healed him? He's a fun character to hate. Would love to know more of his story.

The end of the episode blew me away. Is this an alternate timeline happening, or possibly did Dharma/Hanso stage a crash? Right now I'm leaning towards the idea that something different happened in an alternate timeline. Man, who knows. This show is crazy as all hell (and I love it).

Hurley had some great lines in this episode. "Mom? & "Like I'm going to tell you." Funny stuff.

It will definitely suck waiting until January '08 for S4, but a good chance to catch up on S1-3.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on April 26, 2007, 12:31:44 PM
Apparently severe brain hemhorraging isn't necessarily lethal.... but the idea that Sayid would leave a breathing guy there is ludicrous ;)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 30, 2007, 08:03:27 PM
Apparently severe brain hemhorraging isn't necessarily lethal.... but the idea that Sayid would leave a breathing guy there is ludicrous ;)

Maybe the fence wasn't on, and he faked his death.

Maybe when the fence is on, the feild reachs all the way over top of the area too, which would excplain why the smoke monster didn't just go over it.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Grillslinger on May 01, 2007, 03:44:27 AM
Didn't he bleed out of his ears?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 01, 2007, 05:31:17 AM
I think he bled out of his ears, but maybe he's prone to doing that anyway? 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 01, 2007, 01:10:52 PM
If he did, I take it back. All I remember was mouth foam.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 02, 2007, 09:29:08 AM
you can rewatch that ep on Lost's official site -- I'm pretty sure there was blood coming out of his ears =P

Of course, he told Desmond that healing on the island is unique (i nreference to when he piked Naomi's lung).

Anyway -- NEW EP TONIGHT!!! WOOO HOOO!!!!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 02, 2007, 10:00:02 AM
Yup yup!  Quite excited.  And it's a Locke episode too, so we get to find out what the hell he's been up to lately! 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 02, 2007, 10:02:29 AM
The producers said i nthe last podcast that we'd see how his dad got to the island. I hope they are tellign the truth =)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Nick on May 02, 2007, 05:20:11 PM
   :clap:

 Sweet Baby Jesus that was an awesome episode.

 That episode was full of neato scenes and confirmed probably what we all thought.

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Can't wait for next week! ;D
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 02, 2007, 06:33:18 PM
You have no idea how close I am to clicking that dang spoiler button..... It hasn't aired yet here on the west coast!!!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 03, 2007, 03:12:55 AM
For an episode that, well, we basically knew where it was headed regarding the connection between Sawyer and Locke, it was still an excellent trip getting there.  Also, over on the other side of the island:  Kate...yeesh.  What is it about the concept of secrets that you don't understand?  I know that secrets, secrets are no fun, secrets, secrets hurt someone, but SERIOUSLY.  What is it about the notion of "Don't tell another soul, ESPECIALLY JACK" that makes you say, "Good idea.  I'll immeidately go tell Jack!"?  And right in front of Juliet!  Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Granted, with Juliet's desire to get off the island, especially if she now has an alternative to dealing with Ben, this might play out more favorably for the Losties than it would have if she was completely evil, but it's still a bad idea.  Bad Idea Jeans, Kate!  Bad Idea Jeans! 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Grillslinger on May 03, 2007, 04:09:50 AM
WOWOWOWOWOW!  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Great episode! Dignan, I appreciate you not talking about it in the episode last night.
Man, was that guy horrible! Just horrible!

...and he was so pleasant in road house!

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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 03, 2007, 06:41:42 AM
FRICKIN' AWESOME

So where the HECK are they???? The producers have been laughing at the idea of them being dead since season one!! So does that mean this is some alternate timeline sort of thing?

And what does Jack know? He and Juliet are hiding too many things. Fortunately, Sawyer has the tape recorder and it looks like he spills the beans on them next week!

I REALLY can't wait till next week -- Locke gets the skinny on the Others and their island-connection. Will be AWESOME!!!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 03, 2007, 08:34:02 AM
I wonder if Jack and Juliet happen to know that Kate is pregnant or something.

But probably not.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: robertraur on May 03, 2007, 08:35:56 AM
I wonder if Jack and Juliet happen to know that Kate is pregnant or something.

But probably not.

It's the reason Juliet is with Jack.  Sun is just an added bonus.

But I don't think the secret they are hiding is they know Kate is pregnant.  It's got to be something else.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on May 03, 2007, 11:17:38 AM
Great episode. Boy oh boy, Locke's dad sure was a jerk. At first I thought OS (Original Sawyer) knew a huge secret about the island when he said something like, "You still don't get where we are." It's interesting throwing hell out there, but I don't think so. We do know that Dharma can pull off some crazy shit though. Loved the scene with Sawyer & OS. I thought Sawyer was about to explode towards the end of their conversation. OS definitely got what he deserved. Did anyone figure out what OS was tied to at the Others camp? It looked like a huge pillar, but I couldn't tell.

Jack & Juliet are pissing me off with this secret shit. No wonder the other passengers don't trust him. I totally agree Dignan, Kate opened her mouth way too soon.

Damn, I hope we get some answers about the island by the end of the season. The clips from next week look so f*cking cool.

I wonder if Juliet dies at the end of the season? Both sides may find out she's somehow playing them & now she's doomed. Just a thought.

Also, wonder why Rouseau (sp) needed all that dynamite? She took the whole freakin' box.

Overall, great episode. Very entertaining    :clap:
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 03, 2007, 12:53:39 PM
yeah, this ep made me curious about the following:

- Why did Rousseau need the tnt?

- What are Jack and Juliet hiding?

- Why is Kate still sleeping with Sawyer?

- How did OS really get to the island?

(Just to name a few)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on May 03, 2007, 01:57:49 PM
yeah, this ep made me curious about the following:

- Why did Rousseau need the tnt?
Going after the others? Breaching the security fence?

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- What are Jack and Juliet hiding?
Jack knows that Juliet is "working" for Ben and they are going to pull some kind of switcharoo on Ben and the Others.

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- Why is Kate still sleeping with Sawyer?

The producers can't leave the "love triangle" story line behind?

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- How did OS really get to the island?

Same way Juliet got there just not willingly. I would have to watch it again but didn' t OS say he was hit from behind? Sounds like to me they forced him off the road and kidnapped him. Juliet made the trip (from Florida too) completely knocked out. No reason that it couldn't have happened to OS as well. I think all the hell talk and being dead is just the producers throwing purgatory out there and playing it up. That being said if it does turn out that they are dead, I will be throwing my DVDs in the trash.



(Just to name a few)
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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 03, 2007, 02:18:06 PM
Oh totally agree -- if they are actualyl dead, I'm done with the show (not really but I'll be pissed)

I also think OS was purposefully hit by the Other's cronies.... But the whole thing with Locke being the one who "brought him to the island" is intriguing...yeeees....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Mr.Nobody on May 07, 2007, 01:44:54 AM
Lost to end in 2010:

http://www.mania.com/54608.html


I still wouldn't trust ABC.   A few shows I've watched in the past have gotten signed for multiple seasons only to be canceled early.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 07, 2007, 04:54:31 AM
Well, yes, it could always be cancelled, but I think this is the best way to ensure fans will probably stick with the show.  I'm cautiously optimistic about this decision.  While I would prefer it ending after season 5, 3 16-episode seasons would equal 2 24-episode seasons, so that's a wash.  Plus, the structure of 16-episode seasons should (hopefully) force the producers to keep things moving along at a brisker pace. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 08, 2007, 10:19:01 AM
I agree with Dignan --

Hopefully each season henceforth will be continually fast-paced and the formula for what is to come will be figured out very well.

But honestly -- I still don't see how this show could go for even /two/ more seasons without getting stale =

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: AmazingThor on May 08, 2007, 10:22:48 AM
I agree with Dignan --

Hopefully each season henceforth will be continually fast-paced and the formula for what is to come will be figured out very well.

But honestly -- I still don't see how this show could go for even /two/ more seasons without getting stale =


The answer: Wedding after wedding!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on May 08, 2007, 08:00:20 PM
AS a friend pointed out to me. Whatever the ending/resolution/meaning of the island is will not be good enough. As long as they don't cheat and everything fits I will be happy.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 09, 2007, 02:56:05 AM
I agree with Dignan --

Hopefully each season henceforth will be continually fast-paced and the formula for what is to come will be figured out very well.

But honestly -- I still don't see how this show could go for even /two/ more seasons without getting stale =


The answer: Wedding after wedding!

And did somebody say "long lost triplets?"
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on May 09, 2007, 05:53:22 AM
I agree with Dignan --

Hopefully each season henceforth will be continually fast-paced and the formula for what is to come will be figured out very well.

But honestly -- I still don't see how this show could go for even /two/ more seasons without getting stale =


The answer: Wedding after wedding!

And did somebody say "long lost triplets?"


Little annoying green Martians that only Jack can see?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 09, 2007, 07:06:38 AM
Or, the show can end like this!

http://www.youtube.com/v/k1Zmjc4FJxk
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2007, 08:07:13 PM
In regards to tonight's episode...


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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 09, 2007, 11:15:34 PM
K -- Locke isn't dead.... I think.
Jacob will heal him or something and he;s coming back full force....

PS:

Check out this screen cap of "Jacob" (seen in the middle of the cottage skirmish) >>

(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/gr4m/lost/WTFBBQjacobenhanced.jpg)

"Jacob" looks a lot like Locke, no? I'm going to guess that Locke is still alive, that Jacob (the island) heals him, and that Jacob is going to look a lot like Locke,,,,

Course what do I know?? I'm just a Lost fanboy!!!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on May 10, 2007, 12:23:55 AM
We will know for sure by 2010!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 10, 2007, 06:06:04 AM
Yeah, if he were going to really be dead, they probably would have made sure to shoot him a few more times. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 10, 2007, 08:20:45 AM
Or, the show can end like this!

http://www.youtube.com/v/k1Zmjc4FJxk

Or they could end it by shooting Ana-Lucia again! 

[yt=425,350]apCBnAJZJYo[/yt]
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on May 10, 2007, 06:46:42 PM
That episode sure had a lot in it


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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: robertraur on May 10, 2007, 09:14:19 PM
That episode sure had a lot in it


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Could have a lot to do with the really old chimp on the Dharma website.

Also, possibly a clone?  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 11, 2007, 07:13:39 AM
That episode sure had a lot in it


Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Could have a lot to do with the really old chimp on the Dharma website.

Also, possibly a clone?  Just a thought.

Apparently, it's not clones.  Damon Lindelof debunked that rumor. 

But, people do seem to age on the island.  Like, Alex, Walt, Ben, and Ben's father.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on May 11, 2007, 07:57:24 AM
That episode sure had a lot in it


Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Could have a lot to do with the really old chimp on the Dharma website.

Also, possibly a clone?  Just a thought.

Apparently, it's not clones.  Damon Lindelof debunked that rumor. 

But, people do seem to age on the island.  Like, Alex, Walt, Ben, and Ben's father.

I wonder if it is just "the others" that do not age?   Since it appears the Dharma folks did age and our heros on the beach are aging (the baby is getting bigger).
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 11, 2007, 09:35:58 AM
After rewatching the ep, I think Ben shoots Locke because Locke threatens Ben's position as the Hostile-Leader.

Locke both sees and hears Jacob (for a split second, but he does) -- and this probably really pissed off Ben. While Ben can see Jacob, it appears that certain things about Jacob that only Ben could experience are now being experienced by Locke also... This upset Ben enough to kill Locke(though I doubt that he's already dead).

We could already see the Hostiles being submissive to Locke when Locke beat up Mikhail, and they ignored Ben's orders to stop him.

The finale this year will be off the hook..... I can't wait!

And as for the aging thing... I wouldn't be surprised if a flashback next year shows the Hostiles as pirates in the late 1700s on board the Black Rock filled with prisoners being transferred overseas. I wouldn't be surprised in the least =)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on May 11, 2007, 09:54:37 AM
So since the Hostile's took over and killed everyone why does Dharma keep dropping food? The Hostiles leave the island when they wanted to (before Locke blew the sub) they even are able to start and maintain thier own research facilities in Florida (Mittelos Bioscience)!  AsI said earlier it is going to be a long long wait for Season 4.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 11, 2007, 10:39:14 AM
I'll guess that the Dharma Initiative had a large store of food on the island, but only dropped portions of it during certain intervals. A button is pushed, and the food is shot into the air and parachuted from a massive store house onto a certain area of the island.

In other words, the food isn't being sent by Dharma, it's just been there for a really really long time....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on May 11, 2007, 10:59:20 AM
So since the Hostile's took over and killed everyone why does Dharma keep dropping food?

Maybe since the button was still being pressed, by Kalvin, Desmond, etc. Dharma knew some of the initiative survived and kept sending food.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 11, 2007, 10:59:47 AM
I went to the Lostpedia site, and happened to click on one of the Theory pages for an episode...I could end up spending about four hours reading through all that stuff.

And I still wouldn't have the foggiest idea what's actually going on on the island.  Still, entertaining reading!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 11, 2007, 11:08:04 AM
I'm anxiously awaiting the release of the podcast for this week's ep... it hasn't been posted yet, so I'm now worried I'll haveta wait till next week =(

NOT FAIR!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrLang on May 11, 2007, 09:54:08 PM
Has anyone thought that Dharma had the Hostiles kill everyone?  Or that everyone dying has no baring on what they're doing?

And they've been pushing the healing thing a bit the last few episodes.  They even showed Locke's hand healing all super-fast.  Dude's fine.  Except for being in a hole of dead bodies and everything.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 14, 2007, 10:14:39 AM
I like how the Hostiles had canistres of nerve gas all set and ready to go for emergency purging purposes! I want some of those!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 14, 2007, 10:34:25 AM
In the podcast they pretty much confirm that Locke is still alive:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcast
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on May 14, 2007, 01:08:15 PM
Holy crap. Those two words sum it up for me. We were on vacation last week & I just caught last weeks show. Probably the best episode ever for me. Very entertaining stuff.   :clap:

So it seems the "just by chance" meetings have been occuring for quite a while. It appeared as though Goodspeed wan't very concerned with Roger & just wanted Ben. I know this is totally speculative, but do you guys think if Roger came clean & apologized to Ben (while in the van), he would've let him live? I think it may have been too little too late personally.

Jack is starting to piss me off. He needs to come clean real quick. I imagine that's what his flashback will cover at the end of the season.

I agree with you J-Proof, I wouldn't be surprised if Richard & many of the originals on the island were from the Black Rock.

On to Jacob. I've read some people theorize that Ben keeps volcanic ash around Jacob's house to keep him trapped inside. We'll see. The whole scene in the house still trips me out. When Locke hears his voice, oh brother that's creepy. I would looove to see a mini-flashback where Ben & Jacob are actually carrying out that conversation. That would be sweet. And as for the ending, no way Locke is dead. I was shocked to see it happen, but no way he's dead.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on May 14, 2007, 01:15:45 PM
So the smoke monster is really an ash monster?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 14, 2007, 02:16:01 PM
I dunno if the monster is /volcanic/ ash, but I think it's a good guess that the ash that Locke looks at is the same ash that comprises smokey
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on May 14, 2007, 02:18:42 PM
I dunno if the monster is /volcanic/ ash, but I think it's a good guess that the ash that Locke looks at is the same ash that comprises smokey


Well hey, I never even thought about that. Smokey could comprise of volcanic materials. Not a bad guess at all.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 14, 2007, 02:37:57 PM
Smokey for president, man! He seems to know the diff between good nad evil lol!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 15, 2007, 01:50:33 PM
Maybe there's an UNDERGROUND volcano, like in the movie Volcano.  And that's why Smokey seems to emerge from under the ground. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 16, 2007, 09:36:07 AM
Either way, I'm hoping for a large smokey, Jacob, Ben, Locke, Other, Rousseau BEAT DOWN in the finale.... Tonight's ep will likely be a cliffhanger so that the finale starts up all high-energy!

And what better cliffhanger would there be than this? The camera panning slowly toward a hole in the ground, where we see Locke lying amidst a bed of skeletons, and just as the viewer realizes that Locke isn't breathing, ZAP - his eyes open.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Grillslinger on May 16, 2007, 08:34:12 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I CAN'T WAIT!I CAN'T WAIT!I CAN'T WAIT!I CAN'T WAIT!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 16, 2007, 08:48:03 PM
HOLY CRAP, I'm really psyched for next week!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on May 17, 2007, 10:19:45 AM
What a gyp!  Once they started pouring on the all the "Charlie is going to die" melodrama I knew it wasn't going to happen.  Are we going to get week after week of "New Others" until the end of the series??
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 17, 2007, 11:49:15 AM
Maaaaaaybe --- lol

I actually thought last night was a great ep -- not as good as the week before, but it was solid.

I think I respect Charlie a lot more now -- but holy crap! I can't wait for the finale!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on May 17, 2007, 12:28:22 PM
The episode was good. The finale should kick ass too. I hope there is some Locke action but more than likely we won't see anything until next season.

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 17, 2007, 01:38:54 PM
My reaction last night was like,

"Holy crap!  Rose and Bernard are back!  YAAAY!"
"They're making Bernard one of the shooters?  NOOOOO!"
"Charlie's going to die, YAAAY!"
"What is happening here?  I'm not entirely thrilled anymore that Charlie's going to die!"
"Sayid is going to stay behind?  NOOOOO!"
"Jin is going to stay behind?  NOOOOO!"
"DON'T DIE CHARLIE!!! DON'T DIE!!!"

I hate when I suddenly like a character I've hated for over two seasons.  I can't wait for next week.  They better not kill Sayid.  Or Jin.  Or Bernard.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on May 17, 2007, 03:12:20 PM
My reaction last night was like,

"Holy crap!  Rose and Bernard are back!  YAAAY!"
"They're making Bernard one of the shooters?  NOOOOO!"
"Charlie's going to die, YAAAY!"
"What is happening here?  I'm not entirely thrilled anymore that Charlie's going to die!"
"Sayid is going to stay behind?  NOOOOO!"
"Jin is going to stay behind?  NOOOOO!"
"DON'T DIE CHARLIE!!! DON'T DIE!!!"

I hate when I suddenly like a character I've hated for over two seasons.  I can't wait for next week.  They better not kill Sayid.  Or Jin.  Or Bernard.



I agree, it's about time Rose & Bernard returned.

As we all know, this was just a lead-up to the finale. Good episode, especially coming off the best episode of the series (IMHO). And now we know why Rousseau (sp) needed all that dynamite from the Black Rock.

You know, there's still something about Jack that doesn't seem right. I can't put my finger on it. Maybe he's just paranoid that Juliette will never truly be trusted. He almost had that desperate look Michael had when speaking to Sayid about who was staying behind. I guess we'll find out next week.   ;)



AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I CAN'T WAIT!I CAN'T WAIT!I CAN'T WAIT!I CAN'T WAIT!


My feelings exactly. I'm staying away from all Lost sites just in case a spoiler pops up. I want to go into the finale not knowing anything except who has the featured flashbacks.

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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 17, 2007, 05:01:22 PM
If Jack is evil, then DAMMIT

I hope Locke appears at the very end and shoots Jack in the knee if that's the case......

Also -- ditto on the Bernard, Jin, Sayid thing -- if any of em die then I will be most unhappy....

This finale will rock if it has a ton of Smokey, a bunch of shoos-ting, a whole lot of Claire, and Locke rising from the dead.....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Grillslinger on May 17, 2007, 09:44:45 PM
So when is the season finale?
(I'm not sure because I avoid the previews)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on May 17, 2007, 10:15:45 PM
Next Wednesday 9-11pm. Don't forget it's two hours next week.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrbakasan on May 17, 2007, 11:04:29 PM
I watched the Lost special tonight (Thursday 10:15) with two of the producers and it was actually pretty good.  Of course, there were no huge revelations, but they did make some concrete statements that I appreciated.  For one they stated definitvely that Desmond not hitting the numbers in time sent a magnetic blast that brought down the plane.  Also they stated that they are not dead, not ghosts, and are absolutely alive, "somewhere in the time-space continuum."   Nothing revolutionary, but it was worth watching.  They also gave a bit more insight into Ben's state of mind. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on May 18, 2007, 01:08:42 AM
Who wants to bet that the first woman with the long blond hair in the "Looking Glass" station is Ben's girlfriend? The one who gave him the carved doll? 

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 18, 2007, 05:35:41 AM
You know, Charlie's in a pretty good place as of right now.  He was expecting to die, but instead, he's got hot chicks, he's got a pool...that's a recipe for fun right there.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 18, 2007, 10:18:52 AM
I dunno -- hot chicks or not they are pointing boomsticks at him, which I equate with "sol."

And I am going to concur with the speculation that the blonde gal is Ben's childhood sweetums =)

I bet the people in that underwater hatch are DHARMA who escaped the hostile-purging.

Is there anywhere online where that special can be viewed??
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 18, 2007, 11:20:02 AM
I don't know, those girls in the Looking Glass seemed a lot younger than Ben.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 18, 2007, 12:12:12 PM
My Wildly Inaccurate Theories About LOST Season 3:

Desmond's initial vision of Charlie's demise did not include the hot chicks.  He got a new vision on the boat, and this one included the hot chicks.  That's why he was like, "I'll go, brotha."

The season 3 finale is titled "Through The Looking Glass."  This is a reference to the movie JFK.  The season finale will feature a giant killer robot JFK rampaging across the island.  That is the monster that killed the pilot in episode 1.  That is also what destroyed the statue of former island leader, Ken "Nine-Toes" Gunderson.

Mikhail likes kiddie porn.

Sawyer discovers that his tears have restorative powers, and he will be called upon to heal Locke.  The other islanders believe they will have to trick Sawyer into crying, however, Sawyer is so overwhelmed by emotion upon seeing the man he has referred to as "God's Little Gift of Sunshine" wounded and dying in a ditch that he instantly bursts into tears.

Ben's childhood squeeze, Annie, left the island and became the inspiration for John Denver's "Annie's Song" and, subsequently,  "Annie's Other Song."     
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 18, 2007, 12:18:04 PM
Your theory lacks several key ingredients to a LOST fanatic's hypothesis:

1.) Ninjas
2.) Magnets
3.) The notion that the producers are lying maniacs
4.) Your theory actually makes too much sense


Back to the drawing boards, son!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 18, 2007, 12:32:44 PM
Oh, I forgot the most important theory:

The characters are all in purgatory.  The producers will repeatedly tell everyone "It's not purgatory!" and then at the end, it will be purgatory.  And they'll go, "It's not purg....yeeeeeeeeeeah, we lied."

Also, Ninjas with magnets on their heads will be drawn to the island due to its magnetic pull.  They will teach Jack the ways of the ninja, and Jack will use his newfound ninja powers to start an island rock band. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 18, 2007, 12:35:52 PM
perfect theory... and the dog is actually the Angel of Death hehe
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on May 18, 2007, 01:46:27 PM
Charlie isn't in the clear just yet. Desmond said he wouldn't bite it until after the yellow button was pushed. Maybe the two ladies were in his vision, but he didn't want to spook Charlile any more by letting him know about them. And speaking of the chicks in The Looking Glass station, the second one looked like:

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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on May 18, 2007, 02:54:45 PM
Hopefully they will also address the Sayid / Nadia thing. She keeps popping up here and there. It was Nadia who Charlie helped in the alley.








Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 18, 2007, 03:07:32 PM
And Desmond said specifically that Charlie would drown... hmmm....

Yellow switch unleashes flood waters in the hatch?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on May 18, 2007, 03:32:17 PM
Lots of white rabbits everywhere in that episode.

(Dharma logo in the Looking Glass)


http://bp0.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/RkvWe2noepI/AAAAAAAAAFU/wRi_zuFjnjE/s1600-h/lost_323_looking_glass_04.jpg (http://bp0.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/RkvWe2noepI/AAAAAAAAAFU/wRi_zuFjnjE/s1600-h/lost_323_looking_glass_04.jpg)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on May 18, 2007, 06:40:08 PM
Lots of white rabbits everywhere in that episode.



(Dharma logo in the Looking Glass)


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Oh sweet. Nice catch PSLOwner!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on May 18, 2007, 07:31:29 PM
You know, "There's Something About Ray" probably never inspirite this much thought
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 21, 2007, 04:14:22 PM
Today's podcast ALSO pretty much confirms Locke's appearance in the finale.... just fyi
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 22, 2007, 05:29:23 AM
Hooray!  I figured he'd show up, one way or another. 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Nick on May 23, 2007, 08:13:50 PM
In regards to tonight's episode..


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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrbakasan on May 23, 2007, 08:18:53 PM
That was easily two of the best hours of television I've ever seen.  Absolutely awesome.  The finale redeemed all the weak episodes this season.

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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Mr.Nobody on May 23, 2007, 08:25:41 PM
That was easily two of the best hours of television I've ever seen.  Absolutely awesome.  The finale redeemed all the weak episodes this season.

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or Locke

really fantastic episode
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on May 23, 2007, 08:50:46 PM
Well.....

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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 23, 2007, 11:12:27 PM
No need for spoiler tags anymore my friends... Pacific Time just aired the ep.... and....

HOLY CRAP

That was probably the single most amazing LOST episode I have EVER seen.....

I was thinking... since when did Jack have a beard and a drug problem in any of his flashbacks? Then.... BOOM -- it's a flash-forward instead! And on THAT topic -- Jack tells the new chief surgeon to go upstairs to get his FATHER.... FATHER?? STILL ALIVE??

Other wtf topics include: WALT??? WTF?? Locke is still alive?? WTF?????

My totally off-the-cuff predictions are thus: Kate lives with Sawyer. Ben is in the coffin. Penny and Desmond finally reconnect. And Jacob spends his afternoons sipping tea with Locke (who has hidden away on the island).
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on May 23, 2007, 11:51:54 PM
Um, wow. One hell of an episode    :clap:

I had no clue it was present day until the very end. Jack has appeared to have lost a grip on reality. I think everyone he's in contact with knows this. The other doctor pretty much played it off when Jack mentioned Christian. And it looks like Kate realizes he isn't the same either. Then again, this is Lost. Damn, now we just need to fill in the pieces in between. Is it January 2008 yet?    :grr:

As for the funeral, other Lost message boards have already blown up the picture of the obit. It's a name we're not familiar with yet: Jeremy Bentham

It was sad watching Charlie go out like that, especially when it appeared he had enough time to get out of that room & lock the door behind him. Boy, Penny must be sitting by that monitor 24/7 waiting for a signal. She was right there when the signal came up.

It will be fun to go back & check for Easter eggs for this ep. Oh yeah, Go Hurley! He came out of left field to kick some ass. That was a fun surprise. I'll definitely be watching this one again.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: puuuma on May 24, 2007, 12:10:38 AM
Just checking out another Lost forum & here's what the obit says:


The body of Jeremy Bentham of
New York was found shortly after 4
a.m. in the ___ block of Grand
Avenue.

_d ____, a doorman at The
Towers (luxury apartments?), heard loud
noises coming from Bentham's loft.
Concerned for Bentham's safety, he
opened the door and discovered the
body hanging from a beam in the
living room.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: SaucyRossy on May 24, 2007, 12:27:10 AM
Like everyone else has said that finale was absolutely AMAZING.

I have a theory.....when Jack said "I am sick of lying! Kate."
I have a feeling that they left some people on the island and that he has been desperately searching how to get back to the island to save those he left behind. He said in the episode how he wanted to get everyone off, well why would he want to go back so badly unless it was because he left some of the survivors there?

Either way my faith in lost has been restored after this season. I have a feeling Mr. Brian K. Vaughan had something to do with this episode. heheh.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on May 24, 2007, 12:32:52 AM
That was a pretty tight episode. February 2008 is waaaaaaaayyyy to far away. It is going to be a long wait.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 24, 2007, 05:55:44 AM
When this episode ended, I think I said "Dude" about fifty times before I could form a coherent thought.  That...was...AWESOME. 

It didn't dawn on me until the end, when Jack told his mystery call to meet him at the airport, that I started to figure out this was a jump-forward.  Somehow at that point, I knew Kate was going to show up.  Up until that point, although I started thinking to myself, "Hey, Jack met Desmond shortly before Desmond wound up on the island, and at that point he was just about to save Sarah's life, so how could she be already divorced and pregnant??  At what point in time are we at??" but "future" didn't click.  I think I was distracted by Jack's beard, which, everytime they'd do a jump-forward scene, I'd giggle and say, "WHAT IS ON HIS FACE?!?"

Damn, I loved this episode.  So much good here.  Locke's "resurrection,"  WAAAAAALT, the moment between Jin and Sun, Sawyer shooting Tom and his "I didn't believe him", Charlie(!), The Beach Boys, Desmond's emergence from the locker, Alex and Danielle, Jack going nutso on Ben, that stupid Hurley episode about him discovering the van having an actual PAYOFF...I could go on and on.

I definitely think it was Ben in the coffin.  Jeremy BENtham?  It has to be.  Who else would have NOBODY at their wake, and who else would Kate get kind of bewildered/offended about when Jack said he thought she'd go? 

Gotta assume Locke and Danielle didn't leave the island.  And what of the other Others?  Like Richard?  Are they just holed up in a temple somewhere?  Would Locke be leading them?  Man...they took a risk, and we'll have to wait until 2008 to see if it pays off, but I'm EXTREMELY excited about the possibilities for this show.   
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Grillslinger on May 24, 2007, 06:48:24 AM
Other others......wow....something bad is in store for the losties I think.

Fanastic episode.

Another thing worth mentioning. The Lost producers are huuuuge Stephen King fans...More specifically, Dark Tower fans. The Dark Tower series deals with a multiverse. From time to time, you come across what King calls a "thinny", which is a thin spot between worlds....and there, they overlap a little.

They've given several clues that suggest that this story takes place in that particular universe.

Some peoeple have the ability to move back and forth between worlds. This could definite explain Walt's dissappearances.

Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on May 24, 2007, 07:55:11 AM
Pretty good ep! I'm glad that they've decided too do flash-forwards, I'd always thought they'd leave it till the last season, so we'd see how everyone reconnected with the people from their flashbacks but I guess there is more mystery to it then just 'wrapping-up'.

I don't think this is going to be a huge sudden change though,  I think as we go though the next season we'll get a mix of flashbacks and flashforwards, the producers have said we still need to find out about Ben's childhood friend, Libby still has to show up and I imagine will see some of the other's stories.  Plus if we get too many flash-forwards then a lot of the suspense is going to disappear because we'll know who survived and who probably didn't based on who gets flashforwards and who doesn't.

And I don't think we'll be leaving the island for a while at least not completely, the whole point with Charlie telling Desmond about the boat, we need to find out about Jacob and the Others temple and the statue's foot.


They've given several clues that suggest that this story takes place in that particular universe.

Some peoeple have the ability to move back and forth between worlds. This could definite explain Walt's dissappearances.

I think those are just homages, and Walt passing between universes?  I doubt it.  They've shown him to have special mind powers, controlled a knife to fly into a tree, cause a bird to hit his window, and lots of people have shown up as visions on the island, he could just be using his powers to project himself onto the island.  I know you'd like they're to be a deeper connection but I wouldn't get your hopes up...I think the producers are going to want the show to stand on it's own as a single piece of work when it's done, not just say "Really it's all just a Dark Tower Spin-off show"
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 24, 2007, 08:10:24 AM
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Hmm...looks like a "Jo-something Lantham" to me.  Maybe it's just a random castaway.

Or Ben.  I'll go with Ben until they prove it differently. 

Link if you can't see the picture above:  http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600/newspaperclipping2.jpg
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Douglin on May 24, 2007, 08:22:33 AM
I don't think anyone should believe anything written on the note, they wouldn't have put any big answers on it, plus in the past we've seen them say Juliet's sister was a man and had a flash-back with an X-ray from the future...sometimes the prop guys make mistakes.

Could have been Ben, Sawyer, Locke, Jacob! who knows..
Also about Jack's dad being dead/alive I think it was just Jack being drugged up and forgetting that his dad was dead...or maybe he's still getting visions of him.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on May 24, 2007, 09:29:06 AM
My guess it was someone who hasn't been introduced yet. Also the coffin was on the small side.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on May 24, 2007, 09:48:37 AM
Maybe it was Ryan Seacrest.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: JonnyFrag on May 24, 2007, 09:49:27 AM
I believe that the coffin is for someone we don't know yet.
Clarie's baby, probably not.
Sun and Jin's baby, probably not.
Walt , probably not ...hell he's growing like a foot at a time between showing him on the show.
A potential Kate baby? Absolute no.


Ben? Makes sense in that no one came. I mean, if a child dies, it's not like no one would come to a wake. Ben on the other hand, by that time Jack might be the only person left (alive) that would be connected enough to even come. But why then was it a short coffin. He's a short guy, but not that short.

Interesting......


Oh and Naomi's people? The REAL Dhamra people coming back. Her father is in the company obviously.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on May 24, 2007, 10:29:35 AM
I think the show is going to go something like this:

The people that Jack brings to the island after making the phone call to the boat will result in another war. The "Losties" are going to have to eventually choose sides: "Others" vs. "Naomi's People." Naomi's people (who are probably related in finances of some sort to the DHARMA Initiative) want to expose the island and kill the Others, while the Others want to keep the island safe and hidden, and keep Naomi's People away.

Penny races to get her people on the island which results in a gigantic mix up over loyalties and goals once they get there >> Who should be trusted? Is leaving the island really what's best? Is this Lord of the Flies meets Donny Darko?

In the end, Penny's People gain the upper hand (thanks to Jack who has to "purge" forty or so hostile island-invaders), but through some sort of revelation, many of the Losties want to stay on the island. Penny takes all those who wish to leave back to their homes, and those who assume their new lives away from the island are forced to explain what happened (and why so few have made it back alive) >> Jack saved everyone from the crash as best he could, but only he, Kate, Sawyer (and whoever else) survived the crash. It's a lie, but it makes Jack a "hero."

The lie, as well as the revelation of exactly what the island's capabilities are, start to make Jack go a little nutso -- perhaps leaving the island and going back to his depressed life isn't what's best for him after all...

Other plotlines could be concluded thusly: Kate is no longer a fugitive because the first, initial incident that put her on the run is explained in depth after Penny's family funds for another investigation and buys her some really /really/ good lawyers. Sawyer's crimes remain hidden, and the murders he is responsible for slip into the cold case files of Australia. Locke ops to stay on the island with others who have been miraculously healed (such as Rose and anyone else who has been healed or wishes to stay). The "Others" along with the Lostie left-behinds live in peace together. Lastly, the coffin is an unexplained character's coffin whom we do not yet know.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: tinnyman on July 31, 2007, 07:03:09 PM
Never mind, delete this post. It sucked
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MrTorso on August 01, 2007, 03:57:47 PM
How about some season 4 teaser stuff? I guess they showed this at Comic-Con!


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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: the long undertow on August 02, 2007, 12:07:11 PM
That guy hates rabbits almost as much as I do.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: jewishcarpenter on August 02, 2007, 02:20:33 PM
No, I'm pretty sure he hates the number 15.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: the long undertow on August 02, 2007, 02:29:59 PM
He's holding a rabbit with the number 15 on it just fine.  It's only when a second rabbit shows up that he gets super pissed.  I'm glad that guy's not my boss.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: jewishcarpenter on August 02, 2007, 02:45:29 PM
Maybe he really hates the number 30 and that's why he wanted the other 15 to stay away from his rabbit.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: k1 on August 02, 2007, 03:41:21 PM
Extreme OCD?  Must.... keep... identical.... things.... apart....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on August 06, 2007, 11:03:57 PM
My biggest concern with this is that they might be doing the whole "PRESTIGE" Tesla-cloning thing which doesn't work for me at all.

Though the teaser is pretty dang cool >_<
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: tgeorgic on August 07, 2007, 07:34:43 AM
antimatter.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on August 07, 2007, 07:19:09 PM
antimatter.

I dunno about that.... I believe the theory behind antimatter is that when a self contacts its antiself, the two selves simply cease to be. It looked like those bunnies were made out of flaming hydrogen and oxygen the way Korea-man freaked out....

I wonder how evil bunny got there in the first place? What the heck was that thing that fell right beforehand? What the heck???

Oh -- and for those of you who weren't at the con, the whole LOST panel is available in podcast form at the official LOST website. Included in the podcast is the revelation that Harold Perenneau is returning to play Michael for Season 4. Yay!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Chaos on August 07, 2007, 08:57:06 PM
antimatter.

I dunno about that.... I believe the theory behind antimatter is that when a self contacts its antiself, the two selves simply cease to be. It looked like those bunnies were made out of flaming hydrogen and oxygen the way Korea-man freaked out....

I wonder how evil bunny got there in the first place? What the heck was that thing that fell right beforehand? What the heck???

Oh -- and for those of you who weren't at the con, the whole LOST panel is available in podcast form at the official LOST website. Included in the podcast is the revelation that Harold Perenneau is returning to play Michael for Season 4. Yay!

Actually, (theoretically speaking, of course) when matter and antimatter come into contact with each other, it causes a massive explosion... truly monumental.

However, this reaction is any matter coming into contact with any antimatter, not a regular bunny coming into contact with a carbon copy that is made out of antimatter - it doesn't work that way (in theory). It seems like the second bunny is some kind of clone or something, but their presence together makes them unstable or dangerous or something. Nifty teaser.

Going back a little bit to the unknown coffin from the Season Finale, I got the distinct impression for some reason that it was actually Locke's funeral, and the reason that nobody went to it was because of his betrayal of the rest of the survivors. There was nothing in the show that actually supports this idea, it was just a very strong feeling that I got.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: tgeorgic on August 08, 2007, 07:51:00 AM
i'm just figuring they might be going the route of older sci fi (such as the star trek episode the alternative factor) where if the antimatter version of something in our world comes into direct contact with the matter version, the resulting explosion will destroy the universe.  we know that isnt true but it just seemed like they might be going that way because they freaked out when they found out the bunny that appeared in there had the same number as the one they already had in the room.  they also seem to be going out of their way to keep the two apart.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on August 09, 2007, 05:36:39 PM
Why the heck make two bunnies that can destroy the world anyway???? I don't understand!!!!

Anyway -- the teaser makes it seem like the bunny was supposed to show up at a different time or something. Candle asks the girl behind the camera what frequency or what time something was set to or something like that....

Which of course begs the question.... if John Locke and Chuck Norris were to fight......
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: k1 on August 09, 2007, 06:09:49 PM
Why the heck make two bunnies that can destroy the world anyway???? I don't understand!!!!


"...For the entrance to the DHARMA hatch is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel, that no man yet has faught with it and lived.  Bones of a full 50 men lie strewn about it's lair, so brave knights if ye do doubt your courage or your stength come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty big pointy teeth."
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrbasehart on August 10, 2007, 05:40:25 AM
There are rumours that the lovely Kristen Bell is joining the cast for the fourth season.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: dignan on August 10, 2007, 09:34:20 AM
There are rumours that the lovely Kristen Bell is joining the cast for the fourth season.

I was kind of hoping Victor Garber would find his way over to the cast, playing Jack Bristow.  I don't care that he's got some other show in the works.  I want Jack Bristow back.   
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: hare.29 on August 10, 2007, 10:29:10 AM
There are rumours that the lovely Kristen Bell is joining the cast for the fourth season.

I was kind of hoping Victor Garber would find his way over to the cast, playing Jack Bristow.  I don't care that he's got some other show in the works.  I want Jack Bristow back.   

I'd rather see Sloan show up, but Jack would be fun, too. Except then they'd have two Jacks, and we TV viewers are too dumb to keep up with that.

I'm happy to see Michael will be returning, though.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: tgeorgic on August 10, 2007, 11:10:35 AM
i'm still waiting for brisco to show up with the orb.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on August 12, 2007, 08:36:56 AM
i'm still waiting for brisco to show up with the orb.

Better yet... DETECTIVE Brisco showing up with Mike Logan..... take THAT Others..... *dun dun!*
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on August 12, 2007, 09:59:28 AM
Or Briscoe County Junior showing up.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Bob on August 12, 2007, 10:37:03 AM
i'm still waiting for brisco to show up with the orb.

Better yet... DETECTIVE Brisco showing up with Mike Logan..... take THAT Others..... *dun dun!*

I had the exact same thought too..... *dun dun*
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: the long undertow on August 12, 2007, 05:12:17 PM
There are rumours that the lovely Kristen Bell is joining the cast for the fourth season.
She apparently turned the role down because she didn't want to relocate to Hawaii.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: J-Proof on August 12, 2007, 11:35:26 PM
There are rumours that the lovely Kristen Bell is joining the cast for the fourth season.
She apparently turned the role down because she didn't want to relocate to Hawaii.

oh the hard life of being a celebrity actor.....
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Wheaty Petestraw on November 26, 2007, 05:21:43 PM
There's no way it's Ben or Juliette in the coffin. That would be too easy an answer. The same with Sawyer, who I doubt has actually started a relationship with Kate. I don't think any of these people remain friends after they get off the island.

I also believe the newspaper clipping is just a red herring (along with the poor, black neighborhood) to get people to think that it's Michael or Walt in the coffin.

So who is it? My guess would be John Locke. He killed Naomi so she wouldn't use the radio, but Jack ended up using it instead. Naomi may have been working with Dharma, which is most likely a secret military team (remember the US army knife?) that is conducting mind control experiments amongst other things (the black cloud of smoke), and that is why Locke didn't want her to contact the ship. Locke has interefered several times, knocking Sayid unconscious when he was setting up his equipment to triangulate the source of the signal, blowing up the submarine, joining the Others and now throwing a knife into Naomi's back. All of the survivors would not want to trust Locke at this point, even though he is actually attempting to save them. Eventually, Jack will end up killing someone and my bet is on Locke. This will redeem him in the eyes of the survivors, but he will know the truth: that he fucked up.

I'm also of the belief that Walt is "Jacob".

The only one sure thing we know about this series is that it doesn't have a happy ending. I'm sure that will upset some people, but it makes it more real if Jack doesn't ride off into the sunset with Kate on the back of a black horse.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 14, 2007, 07:37:02 AM
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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: mrbasehart on December 14, 2007, 08:04:26 AM
"Lost...A brand new season begins 2008 (we hope)". 
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Chaos on December 14, 2007, 09:41:41 AM
I was reading an article about the strike earlier this week, and they were talking about Lost... they showed a picture of one of the Lost writers, holding a sign that said, "Want to know what the island is?"

Classic. :D
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Mr.Nobody on December 18, 2007, 03:06:23 PM
New trailer for Season 4:

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Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: shodan on January 26, 2012, 12:06:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/GyRZx.gif)
how lost really ended
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Russell on January 27, 2012, 01:52:18 PM
I want to check out LOST sometime. Is it worth it to check out the first season?
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 27, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
I want to check out LOST sometime. Is it worth it to check out the first season?

Yes.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: shodan on January 27, 2012, 02:29:42 PM
I want to check out LOST sometime. Is it worth it to check out the first season?

Yes.
no.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: TheUnabeefer on January 27, 2012, 03:21:02 PM
I want to check out LOST sometime. Is it worth it to check out the first season?

I say that anyone complaining about Lost hadn't re-watched any of it from start to finish.  (meaning they basically only watched with the big breaks between seasons, so they hadn't gone back to be reminded of things when the next season went live)

My sis began watching start of season 6, and immediately insisted on borrowing season 1.  She watched through the whole 1-5 while watching season 6 as it aired and can't figure out what anyone has complaints about.  Her words: "Why do people say they don't explain things?! It's all right there."  Watching seasons 1 and 6 side-by-side made it apparent that they really never lost sight of what their show was.

Anyways, IN SHORT, I say yes.  It's worth it to watch.  Just don't go years between watching the first few seasons and the last few seasons.  Marathon it!!
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Russell on January 27, 2012, 07:05:22 PM
Anyways, IN SHORT, I say yes.  It's worth it to watch.  Just don't go years between watching the first few seasons and the last few seasons.  Marathon it!!
Thanks! ;D
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: Invader_quirk on January 28, 2012, 09:08:08 PM
Lost is one of the best things ever to be on TV. No matter what your view of the ending ends up being, you'll never forget the journey. (I'm a fan of the ending, by the way)
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: TheUnabeefer on January 28, 2012, 10:07:38 PM
Lost is one of the best things ever to be on TV. No matter what your view of the ending ends up being, you'll never forget the journey. (I'm a fan of the ending, by the way)

Agreed.  Absolutely agreed.  The series as a whole is on a completely different level than most anything ever to hit TV.

And while I enjoyed the ending when it aired, I appreciated it more and more each time I watched it.  It's kind of something I had to watch while knowing what was going to happen to really appreciate what they did with it.
Title: Re: Return of LOST
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 29, 2012, 10:05:10 PM
Lost is one of the best things ever to be on TV. No matter what your view of the ending ends up being, you'll never forget the journey. (I'm a fan of the ending, by the way)

Agreed.  Absolutely agreed.  The series as a whole is on a completely different level than most anything ever to hit TV.

And while I enjoyed the ending when it aired, I appreciated it more and more each time I watched it.  It's kind of something I had to watch while knowing what was going to happen to really appreciate what they did with it.

That's one really amazing thing about the end, even now I'm still not sure how I feel about the story arc, BUT:  I've watched the end several times and actually look forward to the moments when the various characters connect and remember, it's a real testament to the actors and crew that they did those scenes so well.  Those moments also send the viewer back to remember favorite bits of earlier episodes, so it was a hell of a device to make the finale something special and keep it special when you watch it again.