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Title: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on February 07, 2007, 10:45:53 AM
I mean if 12oz Mouse, Squidbilies, and Tom Goes To The Mayor wasn't enough, now we have that Krofft wannabe reject, Saul of the Mole Men.  Now I see the idiots that made Tom Gos To The Mayor coming out with 'The Tim and Eric Awesome Show'  Hey Ted, here's a hint, if the producers have to actually put the word 'Awesome' in the title of the show, it probably isn't...
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: J-Proof on February 07, 2007, 10:48:36 AM
I like Tom goes to the Mayor =)
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Tyrant on February 07, 2007, 10:55:21 AM

   I second that. It's one of the funniest shows I've ever seen.

    Most of Adult Swim seems to be bordering on a concept art style. If you don't like concept art, then you probably won't like anything on the lineup.
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: gbeenie on February 07, 2007, 11:03:27 AM
I like Squidbillies, and not just because a good friend works on it.  :)
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: pyro on February 07, 2007, 11:05:50 AM
Tom Goes To Mayor is another show I like on there that most people seem to hate...  along with Boondocks and Stroker & Hoop and to an extent Moral Orel...


to me Tim & Eric and Saul just seem to be lame attempts at incorporating live action shows.... 
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Pak-Man on February 07, 2007, 11:19:09 AM
I forgive Tom Goes to the Mayor because it's still not REAL Live action, at least not all the time, and Saul has puppets and stop-motion animation incorporated throughout, so I'll let that slide too. There's just too much intentional camp for me to pass Saul up. I'm tentatively looking forward to it.
I think their oddest move so far has been showing Saved by the Bell. :^)
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Tarantulas on February 07, 2007, 12:01:20 PM
Adult Swim has changed a lot in the last few years... gone are the salad days of Coast to Coast and Brak Show.

The new shows seem to just focus on being as strange/ludicrous as possible.  I don't understand the move to having 2 live action shows on the Cartoon Network, but I guess we have no choice but to give them a chance..

also, who hates Boondocks?  The show is ok.
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: gbeenie on February 07, 2007, 01:23:02 PM
Hell, I wanna know what Turner's thinking paying the idiot city government of Boston ONE RED CENT for a problem the city caused itself.

Seriously, if I had the money, I would offer to pay in their stead... in exchange for Turner COMPLETELY retracting their apology and telling the mayor of Boston and the governor of Massachusetts that they are FUCKING MORONS and it was ALL THEIR OWN FAULT.
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Tyrant on February 07, 2007, 01:31:07 PM
Hell, I wanna know what Turner's thinking paying the idiot city government of Boston ONE RED CENT for a problem the city caused itself.

Seriously, if I had the money, I would offer to pay in their stead... in exchange for Turner COMPLETELY retracting their apology and telling the mayor of Boston and the governor of Massachusetts that they are FUCKING MORONS and it was ALL THEIR OWN FAULT.

   I agree. But I think it boils down to the politicians doing what politicians do best: Blaming other people for their own stupidity in an attempt to distract the public from said stupidity so they get votes next term.

   I mean, who would vote for officials that are scared of their own shadows? Turner is their public sacrifice for their own reputations. Turner is probably doing this to 1) salvage its own public reputation and 2) preserve its broadcasting/production license. Nothing scares a network more than losing it, even one as enormous as Turner.
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: J-Proof on February 07, 2007, 01:44:29 PM
Adult Swim has changed a lot in the last few years... gone are the salad days of Coast to Coast and Brak Show.

The new shows seem to just focus on being as strange/ludicrous as possible.  I don't understand the move to having 2 live action shows on the Cartoon Network, but I guess we have no choice but to give them a chance..

also, who hates Boondocks?  The show is ok.

It's the same old allegory that MTV started. It's no longer about the music....
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on February 07, 2007, 02:21:30 PM
It just seems that for the most part, things are done as cheaply as possible.  Now there are some exceptions, of course.  Boondocks being the prime example, the production values, especially the art and animation are absolutely gorgeous!  My only gripe is that sometimes it seems to come of a bit heavy handed and preachy.  The same goes for Venture Bros and  Futurama they can go over the top at times.  At least it doesn't look like it was drawn by kids at the local daycare facility, like 12 oz mouse.  I probably would like Tom Goes To The Mayor if they put as much effort into how it looks as say, The Boondocks, or at least Family Guy...
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Pak-Man on February 07, 2007, 02:36:59 PM
When has Venture Bros. ever been preachy/heavy-handed?
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Tarantulas on February 07, 2007, 02:51:49 PM
When has Venture Bros. ever been preachy/heavy-handed?

It's all a matter of perspective.  Boondocks is preachy.. but so is the comic strip that spawned it.

The MLK episode is one that comes immediately to mind.

Do I agree with all of Aaron McGruder's political commentary?  No.

Do I enjoy his take on black culture and the white culture that emulates it?  Yes!
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Tyrant on February 07, 2007, 02:53:18 PM

   I still don't get how Venture Bros could be preachy. I don't believe that show has ever tackled any "issues". I think it's just all about fun and adventure.
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: gbeenie on February 07, 2007, 03:18:11 PM

   I still don't get how Venture Bros could be preachy. I don't believe that show has ever tackled any "issues". I think it's just all about fun and adventure.

...and beating up Klaus Nomi. Whatever you do, don't forget beating up Klaus Nomi.
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on February 07, 2007, 05:49:05 PM
It just seems that for the most part, things are done as cheaply as possible.  Now there are some exceptions, of course. Boondocks being the prime example, the production values, especially the art and animation are absolutely gorgeous!  My only gripe is that sometimes it seems to come off a bit heavy handed and preachy. 

In much the same way The Venture Bros and Futurama can go over the top at times. At least it doesn't look like it was drawn by kids at the local daycare facility, like 12 oz mouse.  I probably would like Tom Goes To The Mayor if they put as much effort into how it looks as say, The Boondocks, or at least Family Guy...
Fixed.
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: pyro on February 07, 2007, 07:44:17 PM
also, who hates Boondocks?  The show is ok.

I guess it doesn't seem like anyone on here, but I always see people saying how horrible it is on myspleen... but they tend to mostly favor the ADD shows.


Also for what it's worth I don't entirely agree with the politics of it either, but I still think it's one of the greatest shows on TV.  The xbox killer episode was pure genius regardless of opinions on the topic
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on February 07, 2007, 07:57:04 PM
I was just trying to clarify an earlier misunderstanding that sometimes it (Boondocks) can come of as a bit preachy.  and that Venture bros and Futrama are anything but...
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Andrew1911 on February 08, 2007, 12:25:26 AM
I was just trying to clarify an earlier misunderstanding that sometimes it (Boondocks) can come of as a bit preachy.  and that Venture bros and Futrama are anything but...

Futurama wasn't made by Williams Street... Venture Bros.? Over the top? When?
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: daltysmilth on February 08, 2007, 01:12:20 AM
I haven't really watched adult swim since moving back home and therefore no longer having cable.  But I will say I never liked the Venture Brothers and I probably never will.  Most of the humor just misses the mark with me.  And it seems like they favor the easy, obvious jokes rather than more subtle, intellectual humor.

The best adult swim shows, in my opinion, were the original lineup of Space Ghost, the Brak Show (first season only), ATHF, Sealab 2021 (before the guy that played the Captain died), and the first few episodes of Harvey Birdman.
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on February 08, 2007, 05:43:52 PM
Futurama wasn't made by Williams Street...
Didn't say that it was...
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: pyro on February 08, 2007, 06:19:47 PM
And it seems like they favor the easy, obvious jokes rather than more subtle, intellectual humor.

Define easy and obvious though, I'm not sure how many people actually got the joke "Look!  I'm a member of the Residents!"
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Pak-Man on February 08, 2007, 07:10:15 PM
I didn't get it. :^)

The reason I watch Adult Swim now is the same reason I watched the original lineup: I loves me some weird. :^) Adult Swim still knows how to bring some strangeness to the table, and there's no other network out there that has anything remotely like anything they bring to the table (Unless they got it from another table. :^)).

I know what you mean about the old lineup, though. The Brak Show was and still is my personal fav AS show, but it wasn't "Edgy" enough for the masses to want to watch, so it had to get pulled. Sealab died with Hank Goz, voice of Captain Murphy, Birdman just went down for the reasons I gave in the Birdman thread, and Space Ghost is on perpetual Hiatus (There's always one or two episodes brewing... Not that that's anything new for Space Ghost. :^)) At least Aqua Teen Hunger Force is alive and well, and there've been a few awesome shows that have stepped up to the plate then. Squidbillies feels kinda like an Aqua Teens in the south once you get in to it, Frisky Dingo captures the very soul that Sealab gave up and gives it structure, and I don't expect anyone here to understand why I like 12 Oz. Mouse. It's like Twin Peaks and Lost had a cartoon baby that turned out really, REALLY weird. (There IS a plot in there somewhere, and we'll figure it out some day!) And The Venture Brothers rivals anything on the original lineup. I'm still on friendly terms with Adult Swim programming and I'm eagerly anticipating Saul of the Mole Men, and cautiously anticipating Tim and Eric's Awesome Show: Great Job.
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: gbeenie on February 08, 2007, 08:40:33 PM
And it seems like they favor the easy, obvious jokes rather than more subtle, intellectual humor.

Define easy and obvious though, I'm not sure how many people actually got the joke "Look!  I'm a member of the Residents!"

Exactly. A show with references to Lydia Lunch and Klaus Nomi can hardly be accused of being "obvious."
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Andrew1911 on February 08, 2007, 09:43:43 PM
Futurama wasn't made by Williams Street...
Didn't say that it was...

You complained about it being over the top at times yet since it isn't made by anyone at Williams Street nor can they attempt to fix the problem since the series has been cancelled at Fox, it's not a valid complaint.
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: Andrew1911 on February 08, 2007, 09:45:51 PM
And it seems like they favor the easy, obvious jokes rather than more subtle, intellectual humor.

Define easy and obvious though, I'm not sure how many people actually got the joke "Look!  I'm a member of the Residents!"

Or people getting the Major Tom dialouge being part of the lyrics from Space Oddity than topping that one off with Ashes to Ashes, a reference to a song about Major Tom again from the Bowster.
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: gbeenie on February 08, 2007, 10:02:17 PM
And it seems like they favor the easy, obvious jokes rather than more subtle, intellectual humor.

Define easy and obvious though, I'm not sure how many people actually got the joke "Look!  I'm a member of the Residents!"

Or people getting the Major Tom dialouge being part of the lyrics from Space Oddity than topping that one off with Ashes to Ashes, a reference to a song about Major Tom again from the Bowster.

Don't forget the second-season finale, with its villains' showdown pitting David Bowie against Klaus Nomi and Iggy Pop (and they've ALL got super-powers!).
Title: Re: Just what the hell is Turner thinking!
Post by: pyro on February 09, 2007, 01:49:18 PM
I didn't get it. :^)

Well, if you still need any help, take a look to my left   ;D


Fun fact since I've got nothing better to do than take this even more off topic:  The Residents did the music for the sleepover episode of PeeWee Herman (I flipped when I read their names in the credits)....  if you watched for the music credit it was usually someone really cool like them or Dweezil Zappa & Steve Vai, or Danny Eflman or something...