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RiffTrax Discussion => Individual RiffTrax Discussion => Star Wars Ep1 Phantom Menace => Topic started by: Johnny_Short_Torso on February 04, 2007, 07:27:12 PM
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What is that line supposed to mean? Did George Lucas hear one of his children blurt out the line one day and decide it was cute enough for the future sith lord to say ???
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One reason. To convince the audience that Darth Vader was once a regular human being.
Too bad it didn't work out so well, eh George?
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I don't think anything in the movie worked out too well. Hell, one can argue that the entire prequel trilogy didn't work out too well.
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He says it because although he's a slave, he's a person. I think it points to Anakin's strength of character, and perhaps the eventual pride and quick anger that leads him to the dark side. Still, it's a lousy line. ;)
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I always envisioned Anakin as a hotheaded teenager who was good at heart but believed the best way to achieve his goals was through bullying and violence, thus never had much remorse for any of his actions. I think the prequels would have been much better movies if he was like that.
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If Anakin had been a much more anxious and strong-minded child, it'd have worked. But really, the kid was like 'I'm not a slave anymore, I'm free but mom can't come. Bye mom, I guess I'll randomly mature as an over-anxious, angry child, despite my previous characterization not justifying this at all'.
I think, solely on story, it would've worked better if young Anakin wasn't more or less a little mommy's boy, or had some other facet to his personality. The Padme-Anakin love story, if written with remote believability could have worked, but, no, it was terrible. He just seems to arbitrarily determine he'll be go to the darkside. Little is spent with actual mulling over the consequences (his thinking over his own possible death at the hand's of the Jedi, and thus his child growing up fatherless might have maybe been a good bit, thoughts?) of his seemingly random choice (did he ever consider simply owning up to the Jedi order and the subsequent consequences and asking for help? Could be a derivative of the aforementioned psychological problem he'd have). I mean, being a Jedi seems a pretty damn big commitment, you think he'd consider such things at some point, as opposed to 'I'll just abandon this lifelong commitment suddenly without seeking another solution that may prove as useful to me'.
I do not 'hate' the Phantom Menace, or the prequels in general, but I am amazed at the poor thinking behind a good chunk of it.
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I just think it would've been much better if they'd started out with Anakin at 12 or 13. Then you get him in that critical point between child and man and there wouldn't have been so much childish goofiness. It would've made TPM much easier to watch in the end . . . especially because Jake Lloyd wouldn't have been Anakin.
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I think the whole point of young Anakin was to show that Vader was once a happy-go-lucky. caring boy who shouted "Yipee!" It shows how powerfully the dark side consumed him and it's the best glimpse we get of the "Good" in Darth Vader that Luke's always going on about.
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I think the point was that the kid came cheaper than a real actor.
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Little is spent with actual mulling over the consequences (his thinking over his own possible death at the hand's of the Jedi, and thus his child growing up fatherless might have maybe been a good bit, thoughts?)
That could speak to the arrogance he'd developed over years of being told he's the chosen one, and best at everything ever.
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Little is spent with actual mulling over the consequences (his thinking over his own possible death at the hand's of the Jedi, and thus his child growing up fatherless might have maybe been a good bit, thoughts?)
That could speak to the arrogance he'd developed over years of being told he's the chosen one, and best at everything ever.
Y'know, Harry Potter was faced with essentially the same thing, yet he doesn't use his assumed power as an excuse to get whatever he wants!
So there...
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The main difference between Harry and Ani is that Harry somehow ended up for the most part humble and unassuming while Anakin ended up prideful and possessive. How Harry turned out that way being raised by his Aunt and Uncle is just a fluke of some kind, it seems. Anakin picked up the pride from the other Jedi of his time. His possessiveness came out of that pride in that he felt that it should be in his power to be able to hold onto people and things that he should let go.
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It might have something to do with their inate personalities, but I bet it also has something to do with Harry being raised to believe he's nothing special while Anakin is hailed as the chosen one as soon as he's removed from his little mud hut. Plus Harry was old enough to reason that he wasn't responsible for his fame when he found out, and Anakin wasn't.
Dear god, I remember the Harry Potter books. :-X
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Don't be too ashamed. I'm an adult male who is inexplicably entertained by Harry Potter. Well, maybe at least know you're not alone.
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I loved them in my early teens, and I'm just surprised the knowledge has stuck with me. I wonder how much I remember Pokemon deep down in my subconscious.
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At least you weren't into Piers Anthony books like I was. Still can't quite figure that one out.
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I loved them in my early teens, and I'm just surprised the knowledge has stuck with me. I wonder how much I remember Pokemon deep down in my subconscious.
Oh how I wish those memories weren't there. I can't get the cheesy bicycle tune out of my head!
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Doooo doo doo doo doo doo doooo doo dooo dooo! ;D
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Doooo doo doo doo doo doo doooo doo dooo dooo! ;D
You are a barbarian.
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To slay your enemy, to drive him before you, to hear the 8-bit bicycle tune...
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cant i got to go see that ballet with marge! *makes funny face
Oh your gonna go see the bear in the car huh?
huh?
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At least you weren't into Piers Anthony books like I was. Still can't quite figure that one out.
My main email address still has the word 'xanth' in it because I've had it since 6th grade. Fortunately, pretty much everyone just thinks it's a nonsense word (or that I'm really into the color yellow.)
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Yeah, I just had pun overload after a while and the books stopped being entertaining. I'd like to think MST3K helped me with that. Sarcasm is so much better than silly wordplay . . . not that they didn't stoop to that every now and then in MST3K. At least when they did someone usually got hurt for it. It's good to see Rifftrax is carrying on that fine tradition. Pun is for punishment.
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Yeah, I just had pun overload after a while and the books stopped being entertaining. I'd like to think MST3K helped me with that. Sarcasm is so much better than silly wordplay . . . not that they didn't stoop to that every now and then in MST3K. At least when they did someone usually got hurt for it. It's good to see Rifftrax is carrying on that fine tradition. Pun is for punishment.
I decided I hated Piers Anthony when he justified his incredibly shitty puns on the grounds that (I'm paraphrasing from memory) "critics don't get the good ones, so I have to stick to obvious ones." Seriously, the layers of jerk in a statement like that are like geological strata, they go down for miles.
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For some reason this line reminds me of the "I'm a woozle and my name is peanut" riff from the Giant Spider Invasion episode.