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Title: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: TTYT on May 20, 2010, 06:47:05 PM
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=66249 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=66249)

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Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote, two of the most popular Looney Tunes characters of all time, are returning to the big screen in three all-new animated 3D shorts. The studio will attach the cartoon shorts to three of its upcoming family features—all three features to be released this year in 3D. The first short will be seen with Cats & Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore on July 30th; the second with Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole, on September 24th; and the third with Yogi Bear, on December 17th. The announcement was made today by Dan Fellman, Warner Bros. Pictures President of Domestic Distribution.

In the new cartoon shorts, each three minutes in length, Wile E. Coyote is as determined as ever to catch the elusive Road Runner, who continues to leave his hapless nemesis in the dust with a taunting "beep-beep." However, bringing the classic characters into the 21st century, the resourceful Wile E. will now be employing an arsenal of state-of-the-art ACME gadgets to snag his quarry—with all of the action in stereographic 3D.

In making the announcement, Fellman said, "Audiences have always delighted in Wile E. Coyote's dogged pursuit of the Road Runner, with hilarious, albeit predictable, results. We are thrilled to be presenting these characters for the first time in 3D, which will heighten the excitement and humor of the chase, not to mention the impact—at least for Wile E. We're sure these three new adventures will entertain a new generation of fans while reminding us all why these two characters have been beloved for so long."

The shorts will act as a lead-up to a new 26-episode half-hour series called "The Looney Tunes Show," which will air on Cartoon Network this fall featuring Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck as roommates with the other classic Looney Tunes cartoon characters as their neighbors.

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Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 20, 2010, 07:56:48 PM
Sounds like it could be good,but after Space Jam and Back in Action I am going to wait to see it before getting excited.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: ScottotD on May 20, 2010, 07:57:44 PM
Sweet!
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Darth Geek on May 20, 2010, 09:19:08 PM
I would love a return to classic Looney Tunes mayhem. But I'm with you, Doctor Who?, I'll wait and see how the reviews go before getting too much hope up.

The Wile E. Coyote cartoons were my favorite, too. Get that straight, people. They were NOT Roadrunner cartoons, he was barely in them for Gods sake, and he didn't do anything! I loved that it was often the Laws of Physics that hated the Coyote the most. Willing to bend and break themselves just to hurt him.

I also really loved it the few times when he spoke. It was a different dynamic going up against Bugs, but the voice just made it all work.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: RoninFox on May 20, 2010, 10:18:25 PM
I'll be sure to check these out, but I'm not really going to let myself get my hopes up too high or psyche myself out of enjoying it either. I don't know if I like the idea of the series with Bugs and Daffy as roommates. Why bind yourself into that setup?  Classic Looney Tunes could start with any setup or plot at any time, you could do almost anything with it, now they'll have to spend time explaining how they get into the wacky scenarios before getting to the fun stuff.

Oh, and they better not mess with thief personalities to make them all friends and better role models or some crap like that.  Elmer Fudd isn't Bugs Bunny's wacky bald buddy, he's a stupid hunter who wants to shoot Bugs in the head but always fails. Don't take the conflict out of my Looney Tunes!

Okay, open mind in 3...2...1 go!
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Pak-Man on May 20, 2010, 11:40:18 PM
Well I seem to have been wishing on a monkey's paw. I get Looney Tunes back, buuut... In CGI. And there's the whole roomates thing.

Well at least they're not babies...

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Or Xtreme super heroes...

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Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: TTYT on May 21, 2010, 01:39:31 AM
Actually, after the redesigns, Loonatics Unleashed really wasn't that bad. It just was never that great, either.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Rattrap007 on May 21, 2010, 09:31:23 AM
I may check it out for the Coyote cartoons. He is my fav Looney Toon
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Compound on May 21, 2010, 10:39:40 AM
There's still not a chance in hell that I'm going to see Cats & Dogs 2, even with WB shorts in front of them.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Pak-Man on May 21, 2010, 10:54:01 AM
Well if they aren't awesome enough to put the shorts online, I might have to theater-hop to check it out.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: k1 on May 21, 2010, 12:07:44 PM
I may check it out for the Coyote cartoons. He is my fav Looney Toon

Mine too.  I have a Wile E. playing guitar tattoo (among other cartoon ones)
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: mearnest on May 23, 2010, 03:43:15 PM
And there's the whole roomates thing.

That's what really threw me. WTF? Why is that remotely necessary?  Also, 3 minutes is pretty short even for a toon; the originals ran 7-8 mins.
I've never understood why WB feels the need to re-imagine Looney Tunes.  It's not like the original concept didn't work.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: RoninFox on May 23, 2010, 03:47:44 PM
And there's the whole roomates thing.

That's what really threw me. WTF? Why is that remotely necessary?  Also, 3 minutes is pretty short even for a toon; the originals ran 7-8 mins.
I've never understood why WB feels the need to re-imagine Looney Tunes.  It's not like the original concept didn't work.

It's all a desperate grab for attention within the company.  Someone in a meeting says "lets just make more Looney Tunes" it doesn't excite the men in charge.  They're detached from what real life is like thanks to insulation from building their giant mansions with paper mache thousand dollar bills, and don't see how awesome Looney Tunes ever were.  Someone else says "I was looking at Looney Tunes and I came up with something NEW" and you can distract the money men with the idea of "fresh" and "current" long enough get your idea made.  It might suck, but at least you still have something to do.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Darth Geek on May 23, 2010, 04:17:09 PM
And there's the whole roomates thing.

That's what really threw me. WTF? Why is that remotely necessary?  Also, 3 minutes is pretty short even for a toon; the originals ran 7-8 mins.
I've never understood why WB feels the need to re-imagine Looney Tunes.  It's not like the original concept didn't work.

It's all a desperate grab for attention within the company.  Someone in a meeting says "lets just make more Looney Tunes" it doesn't excite the men in charge.  They're detached from what real life is like thanks to insulation from building their giant mansions with paper mache thousand dollar bills, and don't see how awesome Looney Tunes ever were.  Someone else says "I was looking at Looney Tunes and I came up with something NEW" and you can distract the money men with the idea of "fresh" and "current" long enough get your idea made.  It might suck, but at least you still have something to do.
I want a money paper-mache mansion.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 23, 2010, 07:11:52 PM
And there's the whole roomates thing.

That's what really threw me. WTF? Why is that remotely necessary?  Also, 3 minutes is pretty short even for a toon; the originals ran 7-8 mins.
I've never understood why WB feels the need to re-imagine Looney Tunes.  It's not like the original concept didn't work.

It's all a desperate grab for attention within the company.  Someone in a meeting says "lets just make more Looney Tunes" it doesn't excite the men in charge.  They're detached from what real life is like thanks to insulation from building their giant mansions with paper mache thousand dollar bills, and don't see how awesome Looney Tunes ever were.  Someone else says "I was looking at Looney Tunes and I came up with something NEW" and you can distract the money men with the idea of "fresh" and "current" long enough get your idea made.  It might suck, but at least you still have something to do.
I want a money paper-mache mansion.

ME TOO!
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Pak-Man on May 25, 2010, 10:38:11 AM
Money Mansions for all!

I think the closest we've come to capturing the original Looney Tunes feel was during the Spielberg/Warner Bros. collaberations. Some of the best cartoons of the last couple decades came out of that. I wish he'd get interested in animation again.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Darth Geek on May 25, 2010, 03:33:11 PM
Money Mansions for all!

I think the closest we've come to capturing the original Looney Tunes feel was during the Spielberg/Warner Bros. collaberations. Some of the best cartoons of the last couple decades came out of that. I wish he'd get interested in animation again.
Wasn't Spielberg a producer on Back in Action?
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: RoninFox on May 25, 2010, 05:24:01 PM
Money Mansions for all!

I think the closest we've come to capturing the original Looney Tunes feel was during the Spielberg/Warner Bros. collaberations. Some of the best cartoons of the last couple decades came out of that. I wish he'd get interested in animation again.

Got to agree there, especially Animaniacs.  It has some kinda blah stuff mixed in (mostly the one note joke material like Katie Ka-Boom) but the Warner Brothers, Pinky and the Brain, Goodfeathers...those were just awesome.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Sideswipe on May 25, 2010, 05:58:21 PM
Got to agree there, especially Animaniacs.  It has some kinda blah stuff mixed in (mostly the one note joke material like Katie Ka-Boom) but the Warner Brothers, Pinky and the Brain, Goodfeathers...those were just awesome.

Dont forget the Warner sister, Dot!
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: TTYT on May 25, 2010, 06:02:19 PM
I'm still waiting for the Freakazoid! movie..C'mon, Spielberg!
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: RoninFox on May 25, 2010, 07:23:28 PM
Money Mansions for all!

I think the closest we've come to capturing the original Looney Tunes feel was during the Spielberg/Warner Bros. collaberations. Some of the best cartoons of the last couple decades came out of that. I wish he'd get interested in animation again.

Got to agree there, especially Animaniacs.  It has some kinda blah stuff mixed in (mostly the one note joke material like Katie Ka-Boom) but the Warner Brothers, Pinky and the Brain, Goodfeathers...those were just awesome.

I like Animaniacs, but I think Tiny Toons were better.  I felt like Pinky and Goodfeathers were also one-note-jokes.

Yeah, but unlike Katie Ka-Boom and Chicken Boo, Pinky and Goodfeathers had different punchlines.  Tiny Toons overall had a very good run, but at times just felt too toned down.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Compound on May 25, 2010, 10:38:59 PM
Yeah, but unlike Katie Ka-Boom and Chicken Boo, Pinky and Goodfeathers had different punchlines.  Tiny Toons overall had a very good run, but at times just felt too toned down.

Eh. I have to disagree. When Tiny Toons was good, it was very good. But there were a lot of lousy episodes in there too. TTA got very, very preachy at times, with very Anvilicious  (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Anvilicious) messages. (And yes, I know that a few of those were deliberately over the top so that they wouldn't have to do them again. But they did a fair number of them where the anvils dropping were just smaller.)   And who had characters like Sneezer, who were just as one note as the worst Animaniacs characters. And the animation on some episodes was just horrible. There was one studio where the background characters would be hopping around like ferrets who's just eaten a bag full of pixie stixs. Yeah, it was a good show, but there's a lot of it that doesn't hold up well when you rewatch it.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Pak-Man on May 26, 2010, 01:10:33 AM
Money Mansions for all!

I think the closest we've come to capturing the original Looney Tunes feel was during the Spielberg/Warner Bros. collaberations. Some of the best cartoons of the last couple decades came out of that. I wish he'd get interested in animation again.
Wasn't Spielberg a producer on Back in Action?

Not according to IMDB. Back in Action actually wasn't a total disaster. It was fun if you didn't make up your mind to hate it first. (Something I'm trying to avoid with this announcement) It had a kind of Muppet Movie vibe going on.

Now for me, Animaniacs was all about the Warner Brothers (And Sister.) The rest was just filler with varying degrees of success. Of all the one-note bits, Chicken-Boo did the best because it was so aware of it. Buttons and Mindy, not so much.  Pinky and the Brain was formulaic too, but it was a good formula. I always dug Slappy Squirrel, personally. Tiny Toons started out so-so but achieved greatness toward the end of its run. Freakazoid holds up astoundingly well, even if the references date it a bit. Prehysteria did what it could under the mandate that like- 90% of all children's programming on any network be blatantly educational.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Pak-Man on May 26, 2010, 11:10:12 AM
Incidentally, since this is becoming kind of a catch-all thread, I just found out there's going to be 2 new collections of Looney Tunes released under the "Looney Tunes Superstars" banner.
Bugs:
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0033XKVEG/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0033XKV96&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0QXDJ6AG50HWCZDK7EAK
Daffy
 http://www.amazon.com/Daffy-Duck-Frustrated-Looney-Tunes/dp/B0033XKV96

15 cartoons each and none of them were on the golden collections. It's a start...
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Tripe on May 26, 2010, 12:11:29 PM
There are at least two more in the works, one of which is supposed to focus on Foghorn Leghorn. 

Excellent.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 26, 2010, 12:35:07 PM
Yeah, I'm excited for both of them.  There are at least two more in the works, one of which is supposed to focus on Foghorn Leghorn.

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Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Darth Geek on May 26, 2010, 12:53:39 PM
There are at least two more in the works, one of which is supposed to focus on Foghorn Leghorn. 

Excellent.
Seconded!
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: mrbasehart on August 17, 2010, 06:26:30 PM
So, anyone thinking of getting the two new Looney Tunes releases?

Be careful: they have cropped at least half the 'toons on each disc to fit a "widescreen" format, when they were meant to be full-frame.  Not sure if they're going to fix this or what, as most people don't seem to have noticed.

They're Daffy and Bugs specific, aren't they? 

You'd think eventually they'll release a whacking great set with every single Looney Tunes on it.  Probably cost a lot, but it'd look quite cool on the shelf.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: RoninFox on August 17, 2010, 06:39:08 PM
At first I was disappointed to learn the Golden Collection got discontinued, even though I haven't picked up a couple of them yet, but since the new ones are new to DVD and not double dipping I guess that's cool with me.  I would prefer if they weren't cropped though.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Pak-Man on August 17, 2010, 06:45:41 PM
That is odd. I want every Looney Tune I can get, so I'll take these in lieu of a new Golden collection, but I don't have the dough for DVDs right now. Maybe by the time I do this cropping thing will be straightened out...
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: mrbasehart on August 17, 2010, 06:58:39 PM
Are the cartoons on the disc repeats from the golden collections? Those seemed pretty comprehensive for those characters.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: RoninFox on August 17, 2010, 07:06:20 PM
Are the cartoons on the disc repeats from the golden collections? Those seemed pretty comprehensive for those characters.

From the look of it, the new collections are completely new to DVD, no repeats.  At least according to Wikipedia.

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Looney Tunes Super Stars' Bugs Bunny: Hare Extraordinaire is a DVD of 15 new-to-DVD Bugs Bunny cartoons released on August 10, 2010.[1] None of the cartoons are found on the Looney Tunes Golden Collections; along with Daffy Duck: Frustrated Fowl, these two DVDs are the successor to the Looney Tunes Golden Collection series.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: mrbasehart on August 17, 2010, 07:53:27 PM
Excellent.  When they're ripped and put up on Youtube, I'll have some nicer versions to watch.  :)
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: daltysmilth on September 19, 2010, 09:15:43 PM
To answer whosever question it was, Spielberg was NOT involved with Looney Tunes: Back In Action, though it was directed by Joe Dante, whose films were previously produced by Spielberg, so it's an understandable assumption. 

Anyway, I'm cautiously optimistic about this new Looney Tunes cartoon.  Having Daffy and Bugs as roommates might seem like it's tinkering with the formula, but I'd say it's a much more acceptable variation on it than Loonatics Unleashed or Baby Looney Tunes.  Seriously, did they really need to do a Looney Tunes version of Muppet Babies?  Especially since that was one of the ideas they rejected when they came up with Tiny Toon Adventures?   And while Tiny Toon Adventures was a very uneven show, it was the show that really marked the start of a lot of great television animation.  Sure it spawned Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain, and Freakazoid, but a lot of the writers and artists behind Batman The Animated Series and its subsequent spin-offs and sequels got their starts on Tiny Toons. 

In any case, supposedly this new series will mark the return of Jeff Bergman (who was the first voice actor to take over the Looney Tunes characters after Mel Blanc's death) to the Looney Tunes franchise in an official capacity, so that's cool. 
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: doggans on September 20, 2010, 09:52:04 AM
Yeah, Billy West and Joe Alaskey share Bugs-duty. There may be another actor or two in there, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: MrTorso on September 20, 2010, 01:36:53 PM
Those cropped ones are horrible. I won't buy them new that is for sure. If I ever get them uncorrected it will be used.

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Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: k1 on September 21, 2010, 06:48:26 AM
That's just awful.  Sure the colors are crisp, but wtf.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Darth Geek on September 21, 2010, 07:36:36 AM
Yeah, I don't get the point of cropping it to get widescreen. They weren't made in widescreen, and TVs now can either be changed proportion to 4:3 or the DVD can be made for widescreen TVs, but you aren't losing any picture size.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Pak-Man on September 21, 2010, 08:04:23 AM
Maybe it was to cater to that same group of people who could never understand why they would want big black bars at the top and bottom of their screen. They all have widescreen TVs now, so NOW we have to explain why they want bars to the right and left. :^)
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: daltysmilth on September 21, 2010, 11:40:13 AM
Presumably someone matting them in a theater would have done so in a way so as not to cut out any important parts--they matted by finding the center of the image and then cropping.

Really?  I mean, I guess in some of the bigger cities the projectionists might have cared enough to do that, but I kinda doubt that in the smaller cities, like my hometown, the projectionist would have gone to any special effort.  As long as the image filled up the screen, what does it matter if the right part of the image filled it up?  Especially considering that presumably it would have been a more difficult process in the old days than it is now. 

And even if what you're saying is true, it would have been a fairly subjective process.  What one projectionist at one theater thought was the center of the image might be somewhat different from what another projectionist at another theater thought.  Unless the distributor sent them instructions on how the director thought each shot should be matted. 

I dunno.  You might be right, but it just seems improbable that people would have cared enough back then when the process of matte-ing films for theaters would have been somewhat difficult and time consuming, at least from a technical standpoint, compared to matte-ing them for DVD, which although it's easier, people don't seem to want to put a lot of effort into it.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: daltysmilth on September 21, 2010, 11:58:24 AM
I dunno.  I'm just not sure I agree.  The people who work on DVD's have bosses too, who presumably know about as much or more about shot composition and point of focus and other such things as their lackeys, and yet they still allow these things out to the public.  Unless there's something really noticably wrong with how an image is framed, the average audience member isn't going to know or care that what they're seeing is different from how the director would want it to be shown.  Especially in the old days, when people couldn't just go on the internet and look up and compare what they saw to how the film originally looked. 
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Pak-Man on July 03, 2011, 01:24:49 AM
Thought I'd give this ol' thread a bump to mention that Cartoon Network's been doing a Looney Tunes marathon all weekend. They've been switching between the live action movies, the new cartoon, and hour-long blocks of the great classic stuff.

So I caught a couple episodes of the new show. It isn't horrible. It's not quite Looney Tunes, but it's got a snappy, smart kind of writing you don't see in a lot of cartoons these days. It's almost like The Simpsons in its humor stylings (But obviously for a younger crowd).  It reminds me of Tiny Toon Adventures. In a good way. It doesn't have the free-wheeling, change-the-setting-with-every-episode feel that the old Looney Tunes had, but I laughed a lot watching the couple episodes I watched, so the characters aren't being wasted here.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Darth Geek on July 03, 2011, 07:02:25 AM
So I caught a couple episodes of the new show. It isn't horrible. It's not quite Looney Tunes, but it's got a snappy, smart kind of writing you don't see in a lot of cartoons these days. It's almost like The Simpsons in its humor stylings (But obviously for a younger crowd).  It reminds me of Tiny Toon Adventures. In a good way. It doesn't have the free-wheeling, change-the-setting-with-every-episode feel that the old Looney Tunes had, but I laughed a lot watching the couple episodes I watched, so the characters aren't being wasted here.
Is that the show where the Looney Tunes are all neighbors, and Daffy and Bugs are roommates?
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: daltysmilth on July 03, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
Yeah, that's the one.  My reaction is a definite "meh".  It's not the worst thing ever, but it could be so much better.  For instance, I've had this idea for a Looney Tunes based series kicking around in my head for awhile where Bugs and Daffy start up a private detective agency, and Porky is their apprentice/intern/secretary/receptionist, and Elmer Fudd is the chief of police, and all the Looney Tunes characters would have different roles to play.  Yosemite Sam would be one of the main villains, Speedy Gonzalez would be in charge of Bugs and Daffy's equivilant of the Baker Street Irregulars.  I haven't really nailed down the plots for any episodes yet, but I think the premise is one from which a lot of good and funny stories could be told.
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Nergol on July 05, 2011, 10:48:13 PM
Welp, I just saw the first four episodes of the Looney Tunes Show.

There's no way to sugar-coat it. That was fucking terrible.

I know that Tiny Toons and Animaniacs had some trouble finding their legs, but this show couldn't find legs if it was surrounded by those aliens from Falling Skies. The comedy is painfully unfunny, the once-an-episode rap numbers were more grating than Wolverine carving his initials into a blackboard, and what's with the anti-renewable energy message in the fourth episode? Who hates renewable energy?

This show is... is... despicable!
Title: Re: Looney Tunes Returns
Post by: Invader_quirk on August 07, 2011, 06:05:37 PM
I saw an episode and was pleasantly surprised. I actually enjoyed it. Unlike anything else I've watched today, I DIDN'T see every joke coming. Weird.

EDIT: Watching the first episode online now... not as good. Looks like it had a rough start.