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Title: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 27, 2010, 07:34:05 PM
EDIT by torgosPizza to change the subject in reflection of the actual content.

I am just pointing out what the inter rifftrax group have said many time both in interviews and online.  Feel free to debate if it is a good idea or not,I am just repeating what they have said.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: Henry88 on March 27, 2010, 07:39:58 PM
I am not trying to be rude and i am not mad I just think this thread could save a lot of time.  It doesn't matter if the movie is funny or not in the past the guys have tried to riff comedies that are not funny but it didn't work and they have made it clear they will not do any comedies ever again.  So it will not help to ask for it and it doesn't matter how unfunny you think the movie is.  Just trying to let you know in the interest of saving time and bandwidth.

darn man i thought you were going to start spiting fire or somthing
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 27, 2010, 07:44:46 PM
I am not trying to be rude I know alot of people new to riffing don't know the history of it and don't know what has been said so many times about riffing comedies by the guys,i am just trying to let them know.  it seemed like a good idea given the number of threads in this section that are asking for comedies to be riffed.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: pstokely on March 27, 2010, 09:41:02 PM
not even crappy family comedies like Daddy Day Camp and Cop and a 1/2?
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: Darth Geek on March 27, 2010, 09:49:17 PM
I think Doctor Who's purpose is that by having a thread who's title is this, then noobs would see it and not suggest them. The problem is that unless it is stickied, it's not going to be on the first page long.

I don't think Rifftrax wants to riff comedies, but Cinester Theater (and a few others) have proven that a comedy can be riffed if the subject matter is goofy but the characters take the situation seriously.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: D.B. Barnes on March 27, 2010, 10:20:31 PM
I think Doctor Who's purpose is that by having a thread who's title is this, then noobs would see it and not suggest them. The problem is that unless it is stickied, it's not going to be on the first page long.

I don't think Rifftrax wants to riff comedies, but Cinester Theater (and a few others) have proven that a comedy can be riffed if the subject matter is goofy but the characters take the situation seriously.

This has been pounded into the ground. Doc is right in pointing out (several times) that the official RT crew has made it pretty clear that they are not going to riff comedies. And Darth is spot on with his suggestion to sticky this point. If you're looking for a comedy to be riffed, then the place to suggest it is in the Request a iRiff! (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,11837.0.html) thread.

Cinester Theater has proven that comedies can not only be riffed, but riffed very well. That's the great thing about iRiffs; you get a bunch of different approaches and perspectives. Not to mention an absolutely brilliant take on Howard the Duck.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: MontyServo on March 27, 2010, 11:57:30 PM
Ocean's 11 was a comedy.  And they riffed that.  It turned out pretty well, as I remember.  I enjoyed it.

You could even say that Willy Wonka was a bit of a comedy.  And that one was pretty good as well.

So it will not help to ask for it and it doesn't matter how unfunny you think the movie is.

This is a rather pretentious statement.  As far as I'm concerned, people can ask for whatever they feel like to be riffed.  Anything is fair game.  You never know what will be picked.  And it certainly doesn't hurt to put your suggestion out there.

Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: RoninFox on March 28, 2010, 01:04:28 AM
Ocean's 11 was a comedy.  And they riffed that.  It turned out pretty well, as I remember.  I enjoyed it.

You could even say that Willy Wonka was a bit of a comedy.  And that one was pretty good as well.

So it will not help to ask for it and it doesn't matter how unfunny you think the movie is.

This is a rather pretentious statement.  As far as I'm concerned, people can ask for whatever they feel like to be riffed.  Anything is fair game.  You never know what will be picked.  And it certainly doesn't hurt to put your suggestion out there.

I have to agree. Some things won't be riffed, sure.  That doesn't mean you should immediately dismiss something just if it's a comedy. Hobgoblins was pretty obviously a comedy. (I'm going by the fact that every other line is some kind of lame attempt at a joke). That turned into one of my favorite MST episodes. I've never seen anyone from Rifftrax say that they'll never do a comedy, instead they say things like "we tend to avoid comedies" thus leaving the option open when a good exception is found.

Little Shop of Horrors was a dark comedy. Swing parade was a musical comedy with the frigging Stooges in it.  As mentioned Oceans 11 also worked and they've done a few with heavy comic relief like Pirates of the Carribean. 
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: ScottotD on March 28, 2010, 03:50:35 AM
Personally I thought Oceans showed why doing comedy is probably a bad idea, I hear Drag me to Hell is much the same with the riffs basically pointing out the jokes as though the movie was meant to be serious.


That said I still think people should be able to suggest and discuss whatever they want, I remember in the very early days of this board being abused by PM for suggesting horror movies be riffed.  You might as well tell people not to suggest anything that's already been released if you only want to talk about movies that stand a better than 50% chance of being riffed.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 28, 2010, 07:24:35 AM
I always thought Ocean's 11 was a crime/heist movie.  Just because something has a few jokes in it doesn't make it a comedy.  I am talking about out and out comedies and the guys have been very clear that those will never be riffed.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: goflyblind on March 28, 2010, 07:30:52 AM
they should riff clerks.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: RVR II on March 28, 2010, 07:38:19 AM
I'm a sad Panda :(

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Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on March 28, 2010, 07:45:33 AM
It doesn't matter if the movie is funny or not in the past the guys have tried to riff comedies that are not funny but it didn't work.....

Like Catalina Caper, Santa Claus Conquers the Martians, Attack of the the Eye Creatures, The Wild, Wild World of Batwoman, Village of the Giants and probably Hobgoblins (if we're talking about original intent)?
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: RVR II on March 28, 2010, 07:48:36 AM
It doesn't matter if the movie is funny or not in the past the guys have tried to riff comedies that are not funny but it didn't work.....

Like Catalina Caper, Santa Claus Conquers the Martians, Attack of the the Eye Creatures, The Wild, Wild World of Batwoman, Village of the Giants and probably Hobgoblins (if we're talking about original intent)?
Or that 3 Stooges movie?! (after MST3k) :o
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 28, 2010, 07:59:44 AM
I guess comedies are riffed all the time.  Sorry I should have done more research.  Please delete this thread,mods.  Since they have done it in the past they really need to stop saying that they don't riff comedies,because they do it all the time.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: MontyServo on March 28, 2010, 08:10:31 AM
I have never heard them out and out say that they will never ever riff comedies.  Only that they wouldn't likely do them for various reasons.

That said, they have done some in the past and there is nothing to say that they won't do some in the future.

Was Ocean's 11 chosen by the guest riffer?  That might explain why that particular comedy was chosen.. (And yes, it is a comedy. Comedy has a very broad definition.  Not everything is Duck Soup and Blazing Saddles.)

I guess comedies are riffed all the time.  Sorry I should have done more research.  Please delete this thread,mods.  Since they have done it in the past they really need to stop saying that they don't riff comedies,because they do it all the time.
 

That's really mature.  "Not everyone agrees with me, so delete the thread."  I don't care if you were being sarcastic, it's a really dumb way to end a discussion.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 28, 2010, 08:14:44 AM
Oh for crying out loud.  This thread no longer serves a point,that is why I am asking for it to be deleted.  I knew it was just going to turn into a flame war with personal attacks so i was trying to stop that before it started.  I was wrong.  I should have done some research that is all I meant.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: MontyServo on March 28, 2010, 08:21:18 AM
Oh for crying out loud.  This thread no longer serves a point,that is why I am asking for it to be deleted.  I knew it was just going to turn into a flame war with personal attacks so i was trying to stop that before it started.  I was wrong.  I should have done some research that is all I meant.

The thread does serve a purpose.  It is a hearty debate about the possibility of comedies being riffed and whether or not it is a good idea to suggest them.

You had your point of view, some folks agreed with it, others disagreed.

Where do you see a flame war?  Where do you see personal attacks?  All I see is a discussion, there is no right or wrong opinion.

I am of the opinion that some comedies would absolutely work as Rifftrax.  Some of them would not work at all.  What is the harm in letting folks suggest a movie?  Why is that considered a "waste of time and bandwidth"?
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: RVR II on March 28, 2010, 08:23:57 AM
I guess comedies are riffed all the time.  Sorry I should have done more research.  Please delete this thread,mods.  Since they have done it in the past they really need to stop saying that they don't riff comedies,because they do it all the time.
Now-now doc.. It's no biggie ;D
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 28, 2010, 08:32:39 AM
My point of view is wrong and it goes against the facts.  The facts are that some of the best riffs have been comedies so this whole thread is pointless and at some point it will become a flamewar.  Carry on if you want but I will have nothing more to do with it I was an idiot and I was dead wrong. Sorry.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: MontyServo on March 28, 2010, 08:45:29 AM
My point of view is wrong and it goes against the facts.  The facts are that some of the best riffs have been comedies so this whole thread is pointless and at some point it will become a flamewar.  Carry on if you want but I will have nothing more to do with it I was an idiot and I was dead wrong. Sorry.

Lighten up a bit, dude.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean you are wrong.  It just means that there are different opinions.  Why create so much drama?
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: goflyblind on March 28, 2010, 08:47:46 AM
That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college!
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: torgosPizza on March 28, 2010, 09:07:40 AM
Ladies, please, you're ALL pretty!

I stickied this and changed the original subject to be a little more vague while still giving the point. Ocean's 11 was chosen by Richard Cheese, for starters; and 2, I don't really consider that a comedy. Yes, it is funny, but first and foremost it's a heist / caper movie (besides a remake).

But the original point of the thread is still true and accurate: comedies will almost certainly never be riffed by The Guys.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on March 28, 2010, 09:09:06 AM
Where do you see a flame war?  Where do you see personal attacks?

Him?  Everywhere. That's why he's always throwing fuel....

BTW, DW.....you can lock your own thread.  Down at the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: RVR II on March 28, 2010, 09:17:21 AM
But the original point of the thread is still true and accurate: comedies will almost certainly never be riffed by The Guys.
YOU LIE!!!
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Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on March 28, 2010, 09:28:57 AM
But the original point of the thread is still true and accurate: comedies will almost certainly never be riffed by The Guys.
YOU LIE!!!
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"almost certainly never" is great politician speak....   ;)

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00796/yoda460_796746c.jpg)

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes"
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 28, 2010, 09:50:58 AM
Ladies, please, you're ALL pretty!

I stickied this and changed the original subject to be a little more vague while still giving the point. Ocean's 11 was chosen by Richard Cheese, for starters; and 2, I don't really consider that a comedy. Yes, it is funny, but first and foremost it's a heist / caper movie (besides a remake).

But the original point of the thread is still true and accurate: comedies will almost certainly never be riffed by The Guys.

Sorry.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on March 28, 2010, 10:00:15 AM
Hey.....The Room is a comedy.....according to it's director, author and star.   ;)
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: MontyServo on March 28, 2010, 10:15:33 AM
Ladies, please, you're ALL pretty!

I stickied this and changed the original subject to be a little more vague while still giving the point. Ocean's 11 was chosen by Richard Cheese, for starters; and 2, I don't really consider that a comedy. Yes, it is funny, but first and foremost it's a heist / caper movie (besides a remake).

But the original point of the thread is still true and accurate: comedies will almost certainly never be riffed by The Guys.

"Almost certainly" is the key part there.  I never disagreed with that.  But to come out and say they NEVER will be, and that it is pointless to even suggest it,   That was a bit overboard.  That's the part that got under my skin, trying to tell people what they could or could not suggest.  What is the harm in suggesting anything and everything? Rifftrax has done Casablanca and The Room.  That seems to suggest right there that anything is possible.  Especially where a guest riffer is involved.

(And Ocean's 11 was a comedy.  Certainly a comedy more than it was a drama or an action film.)
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: Thrifty on March 28, 2010, 12:02:10 PM
I don't think Rifftrax wants to riff comedies, but Cinester Theater (and a few others) have proven that a comedy can be riffed if the subject matter is goofy but the characters take the situation seriously.

Which movies?  People have strange notions of what constitutes a comedy, and will lump a movie that is mostly serious with a lighthearted tone (Back to the Future, Ocean's Eleven, Catalina Caper) with outright farces (Daddy Day Camp, Paul Blart Mall Cop, Joe Dirt, Epic Movie).

I don't think anyone has ever riffed a true, outright, farcical comedy.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: RoninFox on March 28, 2010, 02:50:27 PM
I don't think Rifftrax wants to riff comedies, but Cinester Theater (and a few others) have proven that a comedy can be riffed if the subject matter is goofy but the characters take the situation seriously.

Which movies?  People have strange notions of what constitutes a comedy, and will lump a movie that is mostly serious with a lighthearted tone (Back to the Future, Ocean's Eleven, Catalina Caper) with outright farces (Daddy Day Camp, Paul Blart Mall Cop, Joe Dirt, Epic Movie).

I don't think anyone has ever riffed a true, outright, farcical comedy.

I think the point is that comedy is so open. I'd agree that a farce or parody is probably the worst choice for a riff this side of Schindlers List, but that's not the  point that was made here. If the subject was "no parodies will ever be riffed" so to keep people from suggesting Epic Movie or Meet the Spartans or something I don think anyone would have debated it
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: Serai on March 28, 2010, 10:38:40 PM
Many years ago when I was working the SoCal Renaissance Faire, I asked Adam Long (the founder of the Reduced Shakespeare Company) why he and his cohorts didn't parody any of Shakespeare's comedies.  In my naivete, I thought "Taming of the Shrew" would be perfect for them.  He answered me with a piece of wisdom I've often pondered:

"Comedies aren't funny."

He was right then and you guys are right now.  It's useless to even attempt a parody of a comedy.  The more solemn and puffed-up a film is, the better it is for Rifftrax.  Case in point - the masterpiece that is the RT version of the Matrix trilogy.  It's the only way I can watch the 2nd and 3rd parts of that, because the originals are so utterly brain-destroying.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: Audrey II on May 01, 2010, 10:33:44 PM
But there were some good MST3K riffs on comedies.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 06, 2010, 08:44:29 AM
Please delete this thread so that I stop taking the heat. I am not the one who said comedies will not be riffed Mike,Bill,and Kevin are.  They did it many time.  Please go after them and let me move on.  I admitted that I got the fact wrong.  Please someone delete this thread.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: RoninFox on May 06, 2010, 01:21:36 PM
There was one and it was so unfunny I didn't make it past the 40 minute mark.  Also this is all mute any way.  My point was that all three of the guys have said they are never going to do a comedy again,so it's pointless to ask them to to it.  We really need a Request an iRiff child board here.

Please show me where this quote is.  I've seen them say they tend to avoid comedies, and torgos said "almost certainly never", but where is this quote where they say they'll "absolutely never" do one again?

And which one MST3K are you talking about?  Catalina Caper?  Cause I liked that one.  Not my favorite but I liked it. 
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: MontyServo on May 06, 2010, 01:42:56 PM
There was one and it was so unfunny I didn't make it past the 40 minute mark.  Also this is all mute any way.  My point was that all three of the guys have said they are never going to do a comedy again,so it's pointless to ask them to to it.  We really need a Request an iRiff child board here.

Please show me where this quote is.  I've seen them say they tend to avoid comedies, and torgos said "almost certainly never", but where is this quote where they say they'll "absolutely never" do one again?

And which one MST3K are you talking about?  Catalina Caper?  Cause I liked that one.  Not my favorite but I liked it. 

Hobgoblins was almost certainly supposed to be a comedy as well.

Some might argue that The Room was a comedy.  It certainly is pretty funny unriffed.

Title: Re: Comedies will most likely not get riffed.
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 06, 2010, 07:49:40 PM

Someone please delete this thread,I was wrong.  I made a mistake please delete this thread so that we can all move on.

I can't report my own posts would one of you guys please report this thread so that the mods will delete it like I asked them to a while ago.

I am sorry for causing all this trouble I had no idea what i was talking about.

Also i asked for this thread to be deleted,why was it stuck up here instead?  I said I was wrong but instead of the thread being deleted it was kept up here so that I would keep getting flamed,why?

If the mods want a sticky thread up here saying what the guys have said they can make it themselves. I am don't taking the heat for Mike and Bills Lies.
Title: Re: Mods please delete this thread. Thank you.
Post by: RVR II on May 06, 2010, 08:12:31 PM
I like this thread :P
Title: Re: Mods please delete this thread. Thank you.
Post by: ScottotD on May 06, 2010, 08:17:38 PM
NOBODY on this thread has flamed you, you nutter.  They have only disagreed.
Title: Re: Mods please delete this thread. Thank you.
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 06, 2010, 08:27:03 PM
It doesn't matter I only started this thread because Mike,Kevin,and Bill lied to the whole world.  Now instead of going after them and calling them out for their lies people are coming after me.  I want this thread delete.  I asked for it to be deleted and instead it was stuck at the top of the page so i would continue to take the heat for other people's lies.  This is not how costumers should be treated if they want any more of my money they need to come in here and start taking the heat for their lies.

They lied to the inter world and they should be the ones taking the hits. Everyone I admitted I was wrong please direct your complains to the people who lied to world and tried to hang it on someone who had nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Mods please delete this thread. Thank you.
Post by: RoninFox on May 06, 2010, 09:43:29 PM
Doc, it shouldn't be this big a deal. I don't think you've been lied to, in general comedies are not riffed and as a rule they are considered unriffable most of the time.  There have been exceptions and there might or might not be more in the future. We've been talking about the possibilities in this thread and whether or not we'd like to see more in the future. No one is in this thread to flame you. The reason the thread got stickied is you raised a point important enough the mods thought it should be highly visible. Take some solace in that, calm down, and move on if you can.
Title: Re: Mods please delete this thread. Thank you.
Post by: Thrifty on May 07, 2010, 03:47:24 AM
Does your browser really not have one of these buttons in your posts?

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Title: Re: Mods please delete this thread. Thank you.
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 07, 2010, 06:12:30 AM
Does your browser really not have one of these buttons in your posts?

(http://www.thrifty.f2s.com/removepost.jpg)

No it doesn't for some reason. Sorry I flipped out. I must be more stressed out then I thought,sorry.

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Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: ScottotD on May 07, 2010, 06:39:30 AM
forget the thread, how do you make your browser all picture-y like that??
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 07, 2010, 06:55:59 AM
Oh that's just a persona for Firefox.  If you go to get the latest version of Firefox you can choose one.  There are thousands out there,all nicely sorted.  I think there may even be a Rifftrax persona.

Here is a link to where you can get them.

http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/ (http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/)
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: AJMoosie on May 11, 2010, 03:10:38 PM
Not even a Pauly Shore movie? I know riffing on Pauly Shore is shooting fish in a barrel, but damn it, let's resurrect this 90s relic for the sake of shits 'n' giggles.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: TTYT on May 11, 2010, 03:25:39 PM
Didn't he do that himself with Pauly Shore is Dead?
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: TLARS699 on July 05, 2010, 09:12:00 PM
as for a movie unlikely to be riffed (Prior to reading the list)
Mars Attacks.
I thought this movie was hilarious.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: FordPrefect on July 06, 2010, 09:35:40 PM
Not even a Pauly Shore movie? I know riffing on Pauly Shore is shooting fish in a barrel, but damn it, let's resurrect this 90s relic for the sake of shits 'n' giggles.

http://blip.tv/play/gbk7gc3jSgI
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Darth Geek on July 07, 2010, 06:09:57 AM
as for a movie unlikely to be riffed (Prior to reading the list)
Mars Attacks.
I thought this movie was hilarious.
I love Mars Attacks! I think it could be riffed by Cinester Theater. They are good at riffing comedies that take their silly premis seriously.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Henry88 on July 07, 2010, 12:30:54 PM
How about  return of swamp thing  ;D
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on October 03, 2010, 09:37:33 PM
Shall I mention the gorilla in the room?

High School Musical is a comedy.   ;)
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: byuni on October 05, 2010, 07:45:34 PM
Kind of.  It's a horrendously unfunny comedy.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: stupid on October 05, 2010, 08:13:02 PM
At the moment, if I had to pick a comedy to be riffed, it would be the god awful Grown Ups.
I've tried twice to get through this, and have yet to pass the 20 minute mark.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: shodan on July 05, 2011, 10:19:20 PM
 i think movies like catalina caper and santa clause conquers the martians, and the fact that all the comedies mst3k did (even though there arent many) were amongst the more memorable episodes, prove that comedies can be riffed but it takes a special kind of stupid in the movie to be done right. like for one you cant improve on a good comdey much so they arent that riffable. imagine trying to tackle airplane or naked gun. and spoofs because theyre *meant* to be ridiculous and stupid i dont think can be riffed. that just leaves you with bad comedies but even then you gotta find the right ones. like i don't see dude wheres my car, little fockers or macgruber being riffed successfully even though they're bad. what it takes in a comedy for it to be riffable i think is not for the jokes to fail. its for the jokes to fail crash,burn, fall off a cliff, hit the rocks, drown, get pulled back up to the surface,and onto a beach, only then for the ambulance to fall in a trash compactor on the way to the hospital. its not just saying 'meh' to a bad joke or even 'that was stupid', but cringing  and thinking"jesus christ did they really try and pull that?'. sort of a watching a train wreck thing. but even then the humor has to be bad in new and different ways to be able to get good material from a whole movie. thats where mst3k got the jokes from when they did comedies or made fun of jokes in the movie . thats why mk&b do  puns in the riffing, not because they're funny in and of themselves but the'yre so bad and the fact that they do it in all seriousness, usually followed with a "go to hell mike" "already there Bill" that makes em funny. i think as far as a scale goes SCCTM would be a good movie to compare a comedy against to see if its riffable cause not only did mst3k do an awesome job with it, but cinematic titanic re-riffed it and it was still funny. like i said, a special kind of stupid.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Thrifty on July 06, 2011, 07:53:44 AM
Hey, Loaded Weapon 1 was hilarious.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 06, 2011, 08:11:50 AM
I think someone could pull off a romatic comedy though. 
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Darth Geek on July 06, 2011, 09:58:38 AM
I think someone could pull off a romatic comedy though. 
Back to the Future is essentially a romantic comedy (albeit an unconventional one), and Cinester Theater riffed it spectacularly. It's all about riffing everything except the jokes themselves.
The exception to that would be the exceptionally unfunny pratfalls in Catalina Caper, but that was still done sparingly, not through the whole movie.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Thrifty on July 06, 2011, 11:06:06 AM
I think someone could pull off a romatic comedy though. 
Back to the Future is essentially a romantic comedy (albeit an unconventional one), and Cinester Theater riffed it spectacularly. It's all about riffing everything except the jokes themselves.
The exception to that would be the exceptionally unfunny pratfalls in Catalina Caper, but that was still done sparingly, not through the whole movie.
Stop saying that.  Back to the Future and Catalina Caper were clearly dramatic movies with a comedic element!
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Johnny Unusual on August 13, 2011, 06:38:35 PM
I think someone could pull off a romatic comedy though. 
Back to the Future is essentially a romantic comedy (albeit an unconventional one), and Cinester Theater riffed it spectacularly. It's all about riffing everything except the jokes themselves.
The exception to that would be the exceptionally unfunny pratfalls in Catalina Caper, but that was still done sparingly, not through the whole movie.
Stop saying that.  Back to the Future and Catalina Caper were clearly dramatic movies with a comedic element!

I'm not sure I'd use the word "dramatic" with Catalina Caper, but I get what you are saying.  Still, I think that the reason Catalina can be riffed is the style of humour it uses, which is bland toothless humour and it's camp.  I think camp can be a strange think were the humour is actually there as it is,  but because of the nature of it, it is easier to comment on than conventional humour.

I heard the Chris Hardwick and the Nerdist guys are considering riffing Teen Wolf or Back to the Future 2.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Darth Geek on August 13, 2011, 06:45:32 PM
I heard the Chris Hardwick and the Nerdist guys are considering riffing Teen Wolf or Back to the Future 2.
I would love to hear a riff of Teen Wolf. It definitely has an inherantly goofy premis take relatively seriously by the characters in the film, like Back to the Future. And that's why the Back to the Future riff worked so well. Well, that one had Doc Brown, and he is a godsend to a riffer. But still, Teen Wolf would be great. Plus, the fat kid on the basketball team is the dullard Ozzy in Leprechaun, and Francis from PeeWee.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: RoninFox on August 13, 2011, 07:13:01 PM
I know this might be unpopular to say, but a lot of the Back to the Future riff didn't work at all for me. While it had some good jokes, and a few great ones, it also had a lot of lines fall flat. The "Foreshadowing!!!" running joke for example. It wasnt even a joke, just pointing out what is actually happening in the movie without a punchline. It comes across like the riffers thinking "well we need to say something." In those moments the movie becomes much funnier than the riff, and that's the biggest danger of any comedy riff. Once the movie outshines you, it's hard to get the momentum back.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Watchman on August 13, 2011, 07:48:48 PM
I think camp can be a strange think were the humour is actually there as it is,  but because of the nature of it, it is easier to comment on than conventional humour.

The problem with camp nowadays is that most if it is too self-aware, with actors playing it in a *wink wink nudge nudge* sort of way, or aping the style of genuine older camp movies. It not the same when you set out to be camp, just like you can't set out to make a cult classic.

I don't think it's entirely unfair to say that Rocky Horror (or, rather, its phenomenon) ruined camp.

Once the movie outshines you, it's hard to get the momentum back.  

Very true. But this is why I think it's possible to riff bad comedies that have no chance at outshining you. Something like Rat Race which features 90 unfunny minutes of idiotic celebrity pratfalls. "OMG, Whoopi Goldberg's trying to drive down a mountainside, LOL! STOP THE PRESSES, Cuba Gooding Jr's hijacked a busfull of Lucille Ball impersonators, ROFLOL!!!!!!!"* With a serious, "heartwarming" ending at a Smash Mouth concert, to boot.

*(I'm aware that some people do enjoy Rat Race. I'm not mocking you, I'm mocking the movie. I simply found it embarrassingly unfunny.)
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Watchman on August 13, 2011, 07:59:28 PM
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Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Toyland Chairman on August 27, 2011, 03:06:42 PM
Bill said in a recent interview (relating to TWILIGHT films), movies that take themselves seriously are perfect for Rifftrax.

Though CATELINA CAPER is probably my most favorite MST3K Joel episode.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Invader_quirk on January 12, 2012, 09:00:32 AM
I can't make it through Catalina Caper or Santa Claus Conquers the Martians (though I did enjoy the CT version more). I also thought BttF was a decent attempt at riffing a comedy, but ultimately reinforced my belief that comedy riffs don't work. At least they don't for me. Most of the fun of a riff is cutting down an over-dramatic movie down to size, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Comedies will never be riffed
Post by: Toyland Chairman on March 26, 2012, 06:33:09 PM
I don't think Rifftrax wants to riff comedies, but Cinester Theater (and a few others) have proven that a comedy can be riffed if the subject matter is goofy but the characters take the situation seriously.

Which movies?  People have strange notions of what constitutes a comedy, and will lump a movie that is mostly serious with a lighthearted tone (Back to the Future, Ocean's Eleven, Catalina Caper) with outright farces (Daddy Day Camp, Paul Blart Mall Cop, Joe Dirt, Epic Movie).

I don't think anyone has ever riffed a true, outright, farcical comedy.
EPIC MOVIE is terrible, lazy, and just plain not funny. Riff material? :speechless:
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: pstokely on March 27, 2012, 12:30:43 AM
I don't think Rifftrax wants to riff comedies, but Cinester Theater (and a few others) have proven that a comedy can be riffed if the subject matter is goofy but the characters take the situation seriously.

Which movies?  People have strange notions of what constitutes a comedy, and will lump a movie that is mostly serious with a lighthearted tone (Back to the Future, Ocean's Eleven, Catalina Caper) with outright farces (Daddy Day Camp, Paul Blart Mall Cop, Joe Dirt, Epic Movie).

I don't think anyone has ever riffed a true, outright, farcical comedy.
EPIC MOVIE is terrible, lazy, and just plain not funny. Riff material? :speechless:

Is Daddy Day Camp?
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: Pak-Man on April 04, 2012, 07:33:48 PM
Well technically, a Comedy is any movie with a happy ending. Opposite of a tragedy...
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: rifftraxnator on May 21, 2013, 04:48:59 PM
Well, not necessarily true given how so many comedies these days are the dark kind as well.

Again, The Room is considered a dark comedy by it's creator but since that film has a cult fanbase (possibly almost as high as Twilight), made numerous "Worst Films of All Time" lists and was considered to be unintentionally amusing, it was riffed here.

They're also NOT going to riff intentionally bad movies like anything by The Asylum, intentionally cheesy SyFy Original movies or even Birdemic 2/Hobgoblins 2.

For the record, Casablanca has never been considered a comedy (it is however considered to be a pleasant classic drama) and was just done on a dare between the crew to see if they could even parody one of their favorite movies of all time.

Ocean's 11 and Back to the Future both have comedic elements but are both Crime and SciFi respectively. In other words, they were "Part-comedy, part-[insert genre]" not a full-based comedy like something Woody Allen, Judd Apatow, Kevin Smith or Frank Capra would make. This is largely due to the RiffTrax crew agreeing with Joel, Trace & the Cinematic Titanic crew that making fun of other comedy would just make one look like a pompous ass (their words not mine) due to it's subjective nature and basically abusing the premise in exchange for mean-spirited laughs.

For instance, let's say you're not a fan of a popular sitcom and you decided to mock it right there and then. Who's the bigger idiot: You or the people on the small screen? My brother and I used to do this with newer episodes of Sesame Street and it was no fun at all...


For the record, I do agree that if it's something as goofy as Santa Claus Conquers the Martians or a low budget "comedy" like Manos that it can work because there's enough "WTF?" type moments and nonsense to where you have to wonder what the filmmakers were thinking at the time as well as other elements that keep within the original riffing premise.

Making fun of something as tasteless as Epic Movie isn't going to win any favors since you can't do much with a poor parody except remark on how insipid it truly is, which again, is arguably not funny, it's now turning into a rant session such as That Guy With The Glasses.


As for why they parodied a short film of The Three Stooges, they were mainly doing what they did with Ed Wood's Plan 9 From Outer Space, Reefer Madness and the various Godzilla/Gamera films in just appreciating the campiness of it all while also having fun with the inevitable flaws that are bound to occur in such movies.
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: JonahFalconNYC on August 03, 2015, 11:21:36 AM
Mike and company watched "Who's Your Caddy?", and I don't think we'll ever see that riffed LOL
Title: Re: Comedies will most likely never be riffed
Post by: RobThom on September 24, 2015, 03:51:22 AM
It would be funny to riff a comedy by someone who's totally unfunny.
Like a seth rogan.

But that would violate the comedy fraternity.

Although thats also what would be so crass, absurdest and funny about it.
Mike, Bill and Kev know that.
They would even riff themselves.