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Title: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 24, 2007, 12:40:02 PM
Uh yeah so anyone read discworld out there?

What did everyone think of thud?

Who is your favorite char?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: BathTub on January 24, 2007, 01:17:52 PM
Read most of them, lost track a few books ago, 5th Elephant might have been my last one. Love them a lot. Favourite Character? Oooh um Vimes? Enjoy the Night Watch books.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Pak-Man on January 24, 2007, 02:06:38 PM
Just discovered Discworld a few months ago. I've plodded my way up to Mort and Tyrant's devouring 'em like Tic-Tacs and she's all the way through Reaper Man.

So far, my favorite character is Rincewind, though it looks like there are many cool characters still left to meet. :^)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tyrant on January 24, 2007, 02:24:42 PM

  Actually started Witches Abroad today. I'm nuts about Pratchett.

  And my favorite character would have to be Death. It was Rincewind for a while, but Death shooed him out of the way and crawled into my number uno slot.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: mrbasehart on January 24, 2007, 05:44:26 PM
I've read quite a few of the Discworld books, and I think my favourite character is either Death or Vimes.  They both have a great series of books which I've really enjoyed.  I'm not mad on the witches or Rincewind (though I love the Unseen University).  Anyone see The Hogfather over Christmas? It was pretty great.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Pak-Man on January 24, 2007, 07:40:11 PM
Me and Tyrant found it on the interwebs and downloaded it for Christmas. Captures the Discworld very nicely. :^)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 25, 2007, 08:43:51 AM
I LOVED THUD.  But i absolutely love reading anything about the watch.  I would love to see a weatherfax and vimes together book.  That would be cool.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: PsypherPunk on January 25, 2007, 09:03:19 AM
I think Reaper Man or Hogfather were my favourites (or The Science of Discworld). Though to be honest, I loved playing Discworld Noir as much as any book in the series.

Sadly I missed Hogfather over Xmas. I'll have to track it down.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: dignan on January 25, 2007, 09:08:31 AM
I love Discworld.  My favorite books are in the Night Watch series, love Vimes, Angua, Fred, Carrot, Nobby, Death, Death of Rats...definitely loved Guards! Guards!, Men At Arms, and Jingo the most, as well as Mort.  I should pick up a few more of the books and start reading them again.  I also was a big fan of The Wee Free Men.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: IronPigeon on January 25, 2007, 09:33:44 AM
What do you guys think in general of the Tiffany Aching books? What makes them "juvenile," exactly? I can't tell that they're different except they have a teenaged protagonist and are set away from most of the other events of the Discworld.

I liked these books a lot.  They're juvenile only in the sense that the main character is a child. I think I read somewhere that Sam Raimi is making the first book into a movie.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 25, 2007, 09:35:07 AM
I always thought guards guards would be a great movie.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: dignan on January 25, 2007, 11:41:38 AM
I always thought guards guards would be a great movie.

I agree. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tyrant on January 25, 2007, 03:31:48 PM
I always thought guards guards would be a great movie.

I agree. 

  I'd have to second that. The Nightwatch are -awesome- characters. I got excited when Nobby was briefly shown in the Hogfather special.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 25, 2007, 03:32:59 PM
what is this special you all kepp talking about?

ps im a big fan of fred :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: mrbasehart on January 25, 2007, 05:55:57 PM
I always thought guards guards would be a great movie.

I agree. 

  I'd have to second that. The Nightwatch are -awesome- characters. I got excited when Nobby was briefly shown in the Hogfather special.

I liked the cameo and the Hogfather so much, I thought it could translate very nicely into a series...
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Steve-O on January 25, 2007, 11:49:06 PM
I've been working my way through the Discworld books for the last year or so, during those rare times when I'm stuck somewhere where reading is the only means of entertainment.

I'm just finishing up Soul Music now and... well... it sucks.  It's dull, the plot goes nowhere slow, and it's basically a vehicle for Pratchett to unleash bad musical pun after bad musical pun.  By far the worst Discworld yet, although some of my distaste comes from the fact that this is the third book of the last seven which has had as its plot, "Some modern Earth invention suddenly appears in Discworld.  Hilarity ensues, I guess."  Fortunately, I'm told that this style was simply a phase, and the subsequent installments get away from it.

Nonetheless, I did like Moving Pictures, although that was largely due to the presence of Gaspode.

Weirdly, wedged in among the lowlights was Small Gods, which is my favorite to date.  I found the satire to be deeper than most of the other books, and the story was more moving than most as a result.  Guards!  Guards! and Reaper Man are also favorites.

By the way, I highly recommend The Annotated Pratchett (http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/), especially for my fellow Americans who are somewhat mystified by English slang.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 26, 2007, 08:15:49 AM
THE ANNOTATED PRATCHET???????

I am so there.

by the way once you get into the second and third books following gaurds gaurds youll probably behooked, i know i was.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: IronPigeon on January 26, 2007, 08:23:11 AM
Hogfather was the first one I read.  Was the only time ever, in the history of me being in a book club, that I was glad I forgot to mail in that little slip marked "don't send!" Unfortunately, the same can't be said for that Lois and Clark book they sent me.

Guards! Guards! is my all time favorite. I do tend to prefer the Watch books, though I found they're getting a bit too serious for my tastes.

Are there any discworld books I don't like?  Just one. All I can say is stay away from Monstrous Regiment.  It was well...monstrous.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: IronPigeon on January 26, 2007, 09:06:00 AM
It was SFBC. They sent me all sorts of books I never read. I was very bad at mailing in the 'don't send' thingie.  In the end, I figured it was cheaper just to go to the book store.

I found Monstrous Regiment a bit too predictable.  I mean, after the third or fourth one turning out to be a... Well, nevermind.  I don't want to spoil it for anyone!

Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Pak-Man on January 26, 2007, 09:11:22 AM
what is this special you all kepp talking about?

ps im a big fan of fred :)
Over in the UK they aired a TV Christmas special live-action adaptation of Pratchett's Hogfather. It rocked mightily and can be found on any number of reputable, honest websites. :^)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 26, 2007, 09:13:45 AM
i think after the third and fourth one it wasnt supposed to be a surprise.


edit:  i dont think i can access any number of honest websites out here. :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on January 26, 2007, 06:12:30 PM
Prrr.

I delighted in Thud. Oddly enough, it was the first Discworld Novel I ever read. (I was originally turned of Terry Pratchett by a novel called "The Zombie King", which apparently not only is not a work of Terry Pratchett, but which I have been unable to find anywhere since. Odd that. That and a short story he did which I found utterly distasteful.)

I love Vimes, with the Death Sagas a close second. Rincewind is one of my least favorite leads. Thud is my favorite novel of discworld. My second-favorite is Hogfather, it just filled me with sheer delight.

Actually, my favorite character, not protagonist, is Death's daughter. Not enough beautiful fat chicks in today's literature. =(

Terry Pratchett is awesome because he rolls everything I desire in books into one.

Fantasy, first and formost.

Comedy, enough to make me laugh till I cry, with a parody not only of fantsy, but of comedy and parody, and fiction in general.

Scifi, elements of. See Pyramids, Strata, etc.

Horror. He uses very careful measures of it, rarely, but it's there, and it works. See the House in Hogfather.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Pak-Man on January 26, 2007, 07:10:44 PM
I'm just glad to see a few US flags in this forum. It makes sense that there'd be more fans over in his homeland, but I was starting to think me and Tyrant were the only ones in the country enjoying these novels. :^)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 26, 2007, 07:12:42 PM
bah you should know better than that.  Americans buy EVERYTHING we are told to buy.  So its easy to make quick money off of us.  Thats why there were so many notes in good intentions explaining things to us americans ;)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on January 29, 2007, 06:46:03 PM
I don't find the idea of a cowardly protag the least bit novel. Maybe it's my introduction to him. The first rincewind I read was The Color of Magic. Maybe it's that he always seems too be bumped around this way and that by reality-bending plot-devices and leaves plotholes in his wake. I just don't care for him. I don't care about him.

I like the Unseen University. I don't like Rincewind.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Bartender on January 29, 2007, 07:32:04 PM
Aww, I like Rincewind and Twoflower  :D
Thay're a good comedy duo, the tourist and the guide. And I don't really know how many plotholes have been left. I mean you have to remember that 'real' dragons are Thaumivorous, whilste Wyrmberg dragons are actually made of magic. But that's the nearest to a plot hole I can actually find.

Well, whatever, I like Vimes and the Nightwatch too. Death is great (in every book except for Wee Free men I think.)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 30, 2007, 10:05:17 AM
is death in good omens the same death in discworld?

They are described the same for the most part.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: BathTub on January 30, 2007, 10:31:18 AM
Good Question, I hadn't thought about it. I would say no, or he is very out of place if he is.  I have GO signed it is about the only signed book I have I think.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: BathTub on January 30, 2007, 11:37:02 AM
I haven't picked up or read Good Omens yet. Mostly because of Gaiman, I guess.  I've read American Gods, which I thought was pretty overrated, and I know some people who just adore Gaiman (and they're fucking weird people--wicca, tattoos, blue hair, the kind of people who have no self-awareness and say just horribly stupid and embarrassing things without realizing it), so that puts me off him too.

Plus, you know, he wrote comic books...


Yeah that's right the universally panned Sandman,...  ::)

lol

Not like there aren't Discworld graphic novels. Sandman is a pretty good read, you will miss out on some good stuff if you don't read 'comic books'.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 30, 2007, 11:39:11 AM
yeah pratchet is always worth a read.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: dignan on January 30, 2007, 11:54:56 AM
I really enjoyed Good Omens, and also Neverwhere.  Coraline was pretty good too.  Couldn't get into American Gods, though.  Good Omens was the first book by either Gaiman or Pratchett that I read.  It was about the time I stopped reading American Gods that I thought, "Maybe I should give that other fella a chance, because this stuff I'm reading now is nothing like Good Omens."  Then I picked up The Hogfather and almost immediately thought, "THIS is what I liked about Good Omens." 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: BathTub on February 01, 2007, 11:20:35 AM
See if you didn't have a habit of being derogatory to something just because you've decided you don't like it, people might actually take you seriously.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 01, 2007, 03:54:08 PM

Plus, you know, he wrote comic books...


Yeah that's right the universally panned Sandman,...  ::)

lol

Not like there aren't Discworld graphic novels. Sandman is a pretty good read, you will miss out on some good stuff if you don't read 'comic books'.

I tried reading it. Despite everyone's praise for it, it was a very simplistic story and not told with much depth.  You can't get around the fact that comic books are simple compared to actual books; they are by nature, because you get 500 words instead of 10,000.  And some funny pictures.

They're funnybooks. Just admit it and move on.



Ever hear the phrase "a picture is worth a thousand words"?

A comic book page, by the arithmetic of metaphor, is worth 5-7 thousand and 50 words on average. Comic books are just a story told with both visuals and narrative text.

The fact of the matter is that the method of delivery is less important than the content conveyed. Comic books, film, literature, are all essentially mediums, ways to tell a story, and to assume that all stories conveyed in a given medium are of mediocrity equal to that with which the medium is broadly associated is the height of willful ignorance.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tyrant on February 01, 2007, 04:05:50 PM

Plus, you know, he wrote comic books...


Yeah that's right the universally panned Sandman,...  ::)

lol

Not like there aren't Discworld graphic novels. Sandman is a pretty good read, you will miss out on some good stuff if you don't read 'comic books'.

I tried reading it. Despite everyone's praise for it, it was a very simplistic story and not told with much depth.  You can't get around the fact that comic books are simple compared to actual books; they are by nature, because you get 500 words instead of 10,000.  And some funny pictures.

They're funnybooks. Just admit it and move on.



  Hmmm....I hope you're not serious. Comicbooks cover a far wider array of genres than they used to and require just about as much writing skill as any novel these days (I've read a lot of comics that are better written than some novels). The artistic skills required to draw them is also quite intensive and, if properly rendered, must "jive" with the writing seamlessly. It's a hard balance to aquire and, once aquired, maintain. Comicbooks aren't just funnybooks anymore. They're works of art of both visuals and written word.

   
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 03, 2007, 10:29:18 AM
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no matter how complex or adult--is comparable to even a moderately written novel.  It's just not the case.

that sentence is redundantly silly. 


No matter how intelligent or adult or artistic or verbose or witty or well written or thought out or intriging a comic book is it just cant compare with the least of novels including space aliens ate my homework. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: BathTub on February 03, 2007, 10:31:11 AM
Besides Sandman is on the order of ~2500 pages, I would put that up against a novel.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 03, 2007, 11:15:10 AM
Sure. But I can't believe you're actually arguing that a comic book--no matter how complex or adult--is comparable to even a moderately written novel.  It's just not the case.

Well, there's a reason why. Because it being complex and adult is what makes it comparable to literature. It tells a story, and your argument seems to rest soley on your own argument. You are just trying to justify your irrational disdain for comic books, and doing a pretty sore job of it at that.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: chinton on February 05, 2007, 04:39:34 PM
I've been thinking of trying Patchet. I absolutely adored American Gods, Neverwhere, and Good Omens. maybe I'll try Patchett.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 05, 2007, 04:59:13 PM
its all lighthearted comedic fun.  the way life should be :)  I recomend gaurds guards
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 11, 2007, 02:47:45 AM
Sure. But I can't believe you're actually arguing that a comic book--no matter how complex or adult--is comparable to even a moderately written novel.  It's just not the case.

You are a complete moron.




Meanwhile, Small Gods is my favourite Pratchett book, I don't really have a favourite character, though I always look forward to the Death cameos, and I once played Death in an adaptation of Mort, for which I saved off every hair on my head and painted it white.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 11, 2007, 02:17:14 PM
Sure. But I can't believe you're actually arguing that a comic book--no matter how complex or adult--is comparable to even a moderately written novel.  It's just not the case.

You are a complete moron.


Well-argued. Why don't you draw a picture of a guy in tights demolishing a city to express your feelings? :p

And why don't you write a gossip column for a teen magazine.

There are intelligent examples and unintelligent examples in any medium. Just like are an unintelligent example of a human.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 13, 2007, 01:02:45 PM
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Comic books are the ultimate form of expression, not only in words but in pictures.

way to use sarcasm to mask the fact you are missing the main point here.  We are saying SOME comics can be adult and intelligent and that what medium you use is not the same as something good or bad.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 13, 2007, 01:10:45 PM
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And I'm saying that the most intelligent comic in the world never really gets beyond the level of a children's book in terms of its complexity, by its very nature.

Well if we agree you missed the point that we disagree with you then what are we arguing about. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Pak-Man on February 13, 2007, 02:03:49 PM
May I cut in?

I can see what you're saying about silly childrens story type comics and we're not saying they exist, but there are a number of comic book writers who have decided to take the comic book to a mature and more artistic level. I'd reccomend the works of Alan Moore for some great alegories on the human condition that can only be expressed via superhero story. You'll find rape, pedophilia, condemnation of society and government, anarchists, and darned good writing.

See, saying that ALL comic books, by definition, are silly superhero stories with no point is the same as saying that EVERY love story ever told is on par with Harlequinn Romances, or that EVERY Sci-Fi story is on par with Battlefield Earth, or that EVERY Drama is on par with Days of our Lives. It's a medium with which people can do whatever they want. Granted there are a number of people who go the silly superhero route, but there are a few hidden gems who've submitted some fine additions to the world of literature that just happened to be illustrated in a panel by panel fashion.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 13, 2007, 02:09:26 PM
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Well, let's wait to see if the other guy wants to randomly drop by, offer a few insults, and leave. Otherwise, I'm ready to return to the topic at hand.

I think you missed the sarcasm there, you havent really bothered to explain HOW or WHY medium is directly related to intellectual level of content.  Your point is very odd and vague.  As to on topic, pratchet wrote "The Last Hero"  a full novel but used pictures on every page, in effect a comic book,  is that particular novel any less of a decent novel becuase the pictures were present?  or even more vague what about any of Lewis carrols works.  Tenniel always had woodcut drawings in his books, yes he often wrote childrens novels, but the first place i was really introduced to carrol was in my philosophy class.  He hid all sorts of adult philisophical debates in his childrens novels, which should be expected for a professor of one of englands most important colleges.  I fail to understand your argument about comics being forced to be childish.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 13, 2007, 02:31:38 PM
It's like trying to argue with a racist, you can't change their mind, they are wrong, but they are ignorant.

Their are hundreds of incredibly intelligent comics books, that go way "beyond the level of a children's book in terms of its complexity," and the fact that the only example you can use to show they are somehow inferior is to make a very vague mention of capes and tights shows that you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Just what comics HAVE you read that you are such an authority?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 13, 2007, 02:35:42 PM
no offense edward, But your way too emotionally involved in this discussion.  I know because you make comics ;)  or webcomics at least which are a beast of a different nature
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 13, 2007, 02:36:53 PM
I make comic books too ;)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 14, 2007, 02:20:48 PM
Exactly my point, all you've read are superhero comics. That's like only watching soap operas and saying that all TV is stupid.

Try reading Maus, ACME Novelty Library, Age of Bronze, or Jason. Or work by Craig Thompson, Joann Sfar, Jeffrey Brown, Chester Brown, Joe Matt or Seth.

You can hold Bone next to almost any fantasy novel. From Hell, and a lot of Alan Moore's work, like The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, are absolutely brilliant, and books like The Fate of The Artist and The Cute Manifesto are incredible essays on art and artists.

Did you read Time's book of the year this year? It was a comic book, Fun Home, or American Born Chinese, which was nominated for the National Book Award (and won tons of other awards besides).

I'm sorry, but like I said, you are talking as an authority on a subject you know very little about.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 14, 2007, 02:24:21 PM
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That's because you're not talking about comic books.

merely because two examples werent comics?  besides you never even addressed the point i brought up about carroll.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 14, 2007, 02:28:50 PM
I think you missed the sarcasm there, you havent really bothered to explain HOW or WHY medium is directly related to intellectual level of content.  Your point is very odd and vague.  As to on topic, pratchet wrote "The Last Hero"  a full novel but used pictures on every page, in effect a comic book,  is that particular novel any less of a decent novel becuase the pictures were present? 


I think there's a vast difference between an illustrated novel and a comic book.  There were no word-balloons coming from Cohen's mouth in that book; there were whole pages of text, thoughts, actions, descriptions--with an occasional picture reflectin git.  We weren't reduced to reading what one guy says to another guy--in about 30 words per page, total.  A book simply has more room to say things, and thus has more to say. 

So a novel with more words in it is automatically better than a novel with less?

The Da Vinci Code is better than The Curious Incident Of The Dog In The Night?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 14, 2007, 02:35:06 PM
and clearly a haiku is less note worthy than a limrick.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Steve-O on February 14, 2007, 03:35:51 PM
From Hell, and a lot of Alan Moore's work, like The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

I'm no "graphic novel enthusiast", but I believe Watchmen stands up to nearly any other literary work I've ever run across.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 15, 2007, 08:21:55 AM
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A visual medium can be a text like any other, but I'd argue that it can't convey the number or complexity of meaning that language can


That right there is the crux of the disagreement.  So please expound, please as you say argue it.  We are saying that the medium can in fact be brought to a high level of complexity.  That in fact the medium is irrelevant.  The other thing to note is this Wouldnt something without words be in fact harder to convey a lot of things that are easy to convey with words.  Like acting for example.  Movies can be art and the acting can be as every bit complex as a novel.

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Sure I did; again, that's not a comic book, it's novel with illustrations.  Alice in Wonderland works just fine and is completely comprehensible without Tenniel's illustrations.  Does a comic work without its pictures?

that wasnt my point.  My point was that it was a childrens novel.  You relegated comics to the level of childrens stories so i was pointing out that a childrens story may in fact have intellectual thoughts. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 15, 2007, 08:54:00 AM
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I'd say that it can be read by children, but anything laced with references to parliamentary politics is not, to me, a children's novel

I hate to say it man but if you really beleive that then you are really missinformed about Carrols intents and his personality. 


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and I don't see how you can seriously say that a comic book with 500 words total can stack up to something that has pages and pages and thousands of words to do what it does

Its like this, it all depends on what words they are. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 15, 2007, 10:30:30 AM
HA i own it.  Ive had it for years and years and years.  Look at my freaken avatar and banner man, im a alice freak ;)  i also have the unabriged complete works of lewis carrol and one called the universe in a hankercheif which is a collection of his puzzles and games he liked to do.  Ive read a few biographys on him and find him REALLY interesting.  I also have read (though yet to own) the annotated hunting of the snark.  I wish they would make an annotated sylvie and bruno since he himself put so much importance into that one.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 15, 2007, 02:02:36 PM
Exactly my point, all you've read are superhero comics. That's like only watching soap operas and saying that all TV is stupid.

Try reading Maus, ACME Novelty Library, Age of Bronze, or Jason. Or work by Craig Thompson, Joann Sfar, Jeffrey Brown, Chester Brown, Joe Matt or Seth.

You can hold Bone next to almost any fantasy novel. From Hell, and a lot of Alan Moore's work, like The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, are absolutely brilliant, and books like The Fate of The Artist and The Cute Manifesto are incredible essays on art and artists.

Did you read Time's book of the year this year? It was a comic book, Fun Home, or American Born Chinese, which was nominated for the National Book Award (and won tons of other awards besides).

I'm sorry, but like I said, you are talking as an authority on a subject you know very little about.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 28, 2007, 04:50:12 PM
I just finished Wintersmith, I didn't really like it very much. I did really enjoy the last chapter though. I also didn't like Thud! very much. This ia a shame because I had been off Pratchett for a few years, then I burned through all of the books I had missed and was loving them more than ever.

I haven't read Going Postal yet though, I hear that one's good.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 28, 2007, 05:08:27 PM
I dont understand how you didnt like thud  it was one of my favs,  also going postal WAS a good one.  it didnt rely on pre established chars, so it was better for it
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on February 28, 2007, 05:20:14 PM
It was just a bit samey for me, I think.

I guess I'm a little tired of the Watch right now.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 28, 2007, 05:26:41 PM
do you think carrot will ever take over the city?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on March 01, 2007, 10:05:01 AM
huh, well ill be damned, 

I thought it was a whole lot of fun,  the Mr shine things and gurgs and everything was entirely enjoyable.  Especially the where is my cow.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 01, 2007, 03:25:46 PM
Now that you mention it, Were is My Cow is one of my least favourite additions to the Discworld universe. I am so tired of the whole "Vimes will never miss it" thing. It's kind of boring, false tension.

One book that seems to be very unpopular with the Discworld crowd that I loved is Thief of Time. I really enjoyed that book.

Also, I doubt Carrot is going to become king any time soon, and if he does, I hope it only lasts one book.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on March 01, 2007, 03:39:51 PM
Oh well, im sorry i like vimes.  But i think i got personal reasons for it.  Theif of time didnt amuse me all that much./
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 01, 2007, 03:44:02 PM
I do really like Vimes, I just got sick of what feels like constant Watch books.

I really liked Nightwatch, for example. I wish more of the other characters would be given books.

That said, I haven't read Going Postal yet, and the next book up is about that guy again, apparently.

Also, have you guys read all of the short stories?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on March 02, 2007, 08:15:09 AM
i wanna see a vimes vs weatherwax book
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 02, 2007, 02:45:29 PM
Theatre of Cruelty (http://www.au.lspace.org/books/toc/toc-english.html)

Death and What Comes Next (http://www.au.lspace.org/books/dawcn/dawcn-english.html)

Troll Bridge (http://members.fortunecity.com/bookdepository/stories/pratchett/trollbridge/trollbridgetext.html)

The Sea and Little Fishes (http://members.fortunecity.com/bookdepository/stories/pratchett/fishes/fishestext.html)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on March 06, 2007, 10:40:41 AM
I personally think that "where's my cow" plays an important role in Vimes's character development. By his nature he's not much of a family man. The ritual of reading the book at exactly the same time every evening gives him an emotional anchor, a connection to his offspring, to keep him from turning into the overused "absent/distant father" archetype. It also gives a chance for Terry Pratchett to describe a piece of children's fiction with that special touch of his, that makes things hilarious by describing them simplistically and accurately to an unprecidented degree.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: dignan on March 06, 2007, 11:53:57 AM
I also enjoyed Thief Of Time more than apparently a lot of people.  It was good reading for a plane ride. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: chinton on March 06, 2007, 05:08:38 PM
Just finished my first Discworld book Color Of Magic. It was great. Terry Pratchett is a great writer.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Moose on March 06, 2007, 05:21:23 PM
Have you all seen this?

http://www.lspace.org/books/reading-order-guides/the-discworld-reading-order-guide-1-5.jpg

I've read about half of them, but then I tried to read the new (at the time) Harry Potter and it did nothing for me, I just couldn't get even halfway through it. But due to my slight OCD-ness about not starting a new novel until I've finished the one I'm reading, I left too long a gap between books. I've been reading non-fiction in the meantime, but now that I've finally decided to just give up on Harry Potter and get back to the Disc, I've lost track of where I was in the scheme of things.

I will probably take two or three on tour with me in May to read when everybody else is asleep. It's one of the perks to insomnia.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on March 06, 2007, 05:23:30 PM
you couldnt get through harry potter?  thats odd i got through them all great.  and they are such simple easy reads too.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Moose on March 06, 2007, 05:30:57 PM
you couldnt get through harry potter?  thats odd i got through them all great.  and they are such simple easy reads too.

I got through the first few great (4, maybe? I can't remember), but this one (I don't know if it's still the latest, or if another 7 have been released since, it's the one with the yellow dust jacket) just didn't grab me at all.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on March 06, 2007, 05:39:23 PM
yellow?  maybe thats goblet of fire.  I think maybe? 

if then it would be #4.  which is too bad, because think book 5 is my favorite.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Moose on March 06, 2007, 05:48:56 PM
It is in fact #5 - Order of the Phoenix, aparrently.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Harry-Potter-Order-Phoenix/dp/0747561079/ref=sr_1_6/203-1415889-6143103?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173231618&sr=1-6
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on March 06, 2007, 06:07:20 PM
the BLUE book cover maybe lol

edit: I have NEVER EVER EVER seen that cover before.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Moose on March 06, 2007, 06:20:00 PM
Blue was #6 over here.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Harry-Potter-Half-blood-Prince-Childrens/dp/0747581088/ref=pd_sim_b_3/203-1415889-6143103?ie=UTF8&qid=1173231618&sr=1-6
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on March 06, 2007, 06:23:48 PM
those have to be the paper backs or something because ive never seen these covers.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Moose on March 06, 2007, 06:30:07 PM
Nah, the hardbacks and paperbacks have the same cover.

It's just the standard (as opposed to "adult") edition over here. Maybe they're just different in each country so you know which spelling of the word colour you're getting.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on March 06, 2007, 06:38:47 PM
thats too bad i prefer the art work on the ones out here, less conventional
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on March 07, 2007, 06:33:49 AM
Holy enima. o.o

I didn't think it was possible, but somebody actually organized and hooked up every last Terry Pratchett book.

Anyone else read his short stories? Personally, the first pratchett writing I encountered was "Theatre of Cruelty", and it nearly turned me off Pratchett forever. If I didn't recieve Thud as an audiobook I might have gone on thinking that I hated Terry Pratchett's writing.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: the long undertow on March 17, 2007, 01:37:56 PM
The only one I have read is Small Gods.  I thought it was pretty good, but I don't think I can commit to such a big series.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on March 18, 2007, 02:55:36 PM
That's the nice thing about pratchett, You don't have to commit. There are a few "series" within the books, but discworld really isn't a series, it's a setting, and the only character who turns up in every issue is Death.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on March 18, 2007, 04:17:50 PM
has he been in EVERY pratchet book?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on March 18, 2007, 05:18:07 PM
Every one I read contained at least one cameo appearance by Death. After all, most great narratives have somebody die in them.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: PsypherPunk on March 18, 2007, 10:30:18 PM
has he been in EVERY pratchet book?

He's absent from The Wee Free Men but that's it.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on April 13, 2007, 03:49:41 PM
I don't think Wee Free Men and that lot count as canon discworld.


Am I the only reader who feels a strong dislike, possibly even loathing or hatred for Granny Weatherwax? As in, a feeling of such intensity that I often lose track of the story thinking up inventive ways to cause her grief and pain?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 13, 2007, 09:20:48 PM
no way granny is one of my many favorite charectars in the whole discworld universe. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on April 14, 2007, 05:44:18 AM
Why? She's a nasty peice of work, and a she's a hypocrite with a grudge against self-righteous hypocrites. She babbles on about th whole "free will" and "people shouldn't be controlled" thing like a good Terry Pratchett Philosophy mouthpeice she is; however she does nothing BUT try to control people, because she's so sure she know's better. Rules, morals, and human decency are things that happen to other people for Granny Weatherwax
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 14, 2007, 08:28:56 PM
and therefore she is interesting in her contradictions.  further if she actually does know better then maybe she has a point
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on April 15, 2007, 12:55:34 PM
You find her interesting, I just find her irritating. If somebody is the protagonist, the main character, I'd like to have some interest in her exploits and sympathy for her.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 15, 2007, 08:40:33 PM
well not every main charectar is gonna appeal to ever reader
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Sharktopus on April 16, 2007, 12:15:32 AM
I tried to read The Colour Of Magic, I really did, but gave up somewhere in the middle. I said to myself, "Self, this is neither an interesting story, nor the least bit funny. I give up." I'm sure the series must get better, but I dunno if I'll bother.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 16, 2007, 12:25:50 AM
its not actually a series. at least not in the traditional sense.  I also have never bothered to finish the color of magic.  Couldnt stand it.  try starting with gaurds guards, or mort.  those i think are much better and good starting points.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on April 16, 2007, 09:56:54 AM
I also felt that Colour of Magic was some of Pratchett's least appealing work. Guards Guards is a good starter, and I'm not sure how much solid appeal Mort has.

Discworld is a continuum, a setting, wherein can be found individual series such as the Death series, the Vimes series, the Rincewind Series, etc., and stand-alones, like Small Gods and Going Postal.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Sharktopus on April 16, 2007, 05:11:21 PM
Hmm... I enjoyed Good Omens, which Pratchett cowrote with Neil Gaiman, so I figured I'd try out Discworld, and figured I'd start at the beginning. But yeah, I can see how an author's earlier works are not usually his best. Any more suggestions for a better place to start?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Pak-Man on April 16, 2007, 05:19:52 PM
I've been going chronologically and I'm still only up to Mort, but Color of Magic is still one of my favs. Maybe Light Fantastic. I dig Rincewind, but I get the impression that liking Rincewind is a Discworld N00b thing. :^)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Steve-O on April 16, 2007, 07:56:25 PM
Hmm... I enjoyed Good Omens, which Pratchett cowrote with Neil Gaiman, so I figured I'd try out Discworld, and figured I'd start at the beginning. But yeah, I can see how an author's earlier works are not usually his best. Any more suggestions for a better place to start?

Chalk up one more for "Guards, Guards".  My favorite so far has been "Small Gods", and I'm also quite partial to "Reaper Man", but I think "Guards, Guards" makes a better starting point.

I'm also one of those who didn't much enjoy "Colour of Magic", since it's basically straight parody of books I don't much care for to begin with.  But I like to read things chronologically so I can follow the progression of the author as a writer.  Fortunately, Pratchett improved almost immediately.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 16, 2007, 08:00:25 PM
ok mighty moose posted this but it bears looking at sharky it shows the differnt "orders" and the charectars involved.  there are lots of starting points

http://www.lspace.org/books/reading-order-guides/the-discworld-reading-order-guide-1-5.jpg

Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Sharktopus on April 16, 2007, 08:50:15 PM
ok mighty moose posted this but it bears looking at sharky it shows the differnt "orders" and the charectars involved.  there are lots of starting points

http://www.lspace.org/books/reading-order-guides/the-discworld-reading-order-guide-1-5.jpg

Cool. Thanks.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on April 17, 2007, 04:53:37 PM
Never try starting out with his short stories.

I read Theater of Cruelty, and it nearly stopped me from ever liking pratchett.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 17, 2007, 06:48:14 PM
yo new disc world book comes out tommorrow woot. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 17, 2007, 07:11:57 PM
yup check it out

http://www.terrypratchettbooks.com/

Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 17, 2007, 07:16:47 PM
im just gonna go pick it up at the store tommorrow.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on September 17, 2007, 07:18:10 PM
Ex-cellent I loved Going Postal
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 17, 2007, 07:18:58 PM
i like all the "industrial revolution" books.  its a cool parody or mirror or whatever you want to call it.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on September 17, 2007, 07:22:01 PM
It also has touches of steam punk as well. The clacks is a great concept.

Plus it has Vimes and the rest of the Watch and aside from the Witches the Watch are the best.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 18, 2007, 03:36:59 PM
the close book store didnt have it, the shipment was late so ill get it tommorrow.

also

vimes is EASILY my favorite followed by the rest of the watch as to second place ill reserve judgement until after i moists second book. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 18, 2007, 04:09:02 PM
well its personal for me

he makes me think of my dad.  but i just like seeing the world through a cops eyes.  not a detective not a clever man, but a down to earth cop. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on September 18, 2007, 04:41:33 PM
Actually the reason I like the guards is for Colon and Nobby. Vimes is interesting enough but it's the rank and file that make the books work.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: BathTub on September 18, 2007, 06:29:05 PM
Well I think perhaps it's fair to say the main characters are perhaps (slightly) more human than when the books are about the Wizards, the Witches, or Death. But it's still The Discworld, and it's still Ankh-Morpork :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on September 18, 2007, 07:10:53 PM
There are several possible reasons for the popularity of the watch.

One is that, while Fantasy is a popular genre, and Comedy/Parody is also popular, Detective novels are also highly popular, possibly even more popular the the first two put together.

I also think that the cast of characters in the Night Watch have the broadest appeal and the highest quotient of comedy and lovability. Nobby is a comic gold mine, and just has the kind of appealing quality that only results when a character has so many flaws they overflow into likeability. Sgt. Colon and Nobby together have a fantastic comic chemistry, a regular rozencrantz and guildenstern duality. Cheri Littlebottom, well, you can start with the name and work your way up. Of all the discworld main characters, Vimes is the one I find easiest to connect with and empathize. Granny Weatherwax as a protagonist is a little hard to get behind, Rincewind is a bit of a one trick pony comically and is often outshined by his secondary or tertiary characters like The Wizards, TwoFlower, Cohen, etc. This might just be a matter of personal taste, but I think that the night watch has the highest variety, depth, and downright lovability of all the other character collections.

The other thing is the vicarious triumph. You simply can't top the night watch for sheer quality and quantity of "Booyah! >_<" moments which make Pratchett books so invigorating and appealing even on the fifth rereading.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 18, 2007, 07:14:36 PM
i still say thud is my favorite despite its lack of popularity. 

also i LOVE weatherwax.  I love truly competent charectars.  and it just dont gett better than her. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on September 18, 2007, 07:31:00 PM
I dunno. I'm still not a big weatherwax fan, although after having a small epiphany and going through Carpe Jugulum a second time, I've reached a sort of peace where I don't outright hate her in a very close and personal manner. Now I'm just generally a bit irritated by her because she has the highest tendency to turn into a Terry Pratchett ideology bullhorn and she doesn't have much comic chemistry unless she's alongside Nanny Ogg. I also think the whole "walking the fine line between good and evil" is a bit overplayed. I have yet to see a single clear example of how she walks the line. The closest approximation is that she balances being an unerringly righteous person by being strongly unpleasant and coldly manipulative. I still have a hard time seeing her as something other than an object of firey emnity after the events of "Masquerade".

But yeah, Thud is my favorite, possibly rivaled only by Hogfather.

One thing I learned in Hogfather and Wee Free Men, if Terry Pratchett ever wanted to cross genres he should break into Horror. The man knows how to disturb with moments of literally nightmarish imagery and weave an atmosphere of sustained dread.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on September 18, 2007, 07:44:24 PM
Well, for a start, Thud was my first discworld book ever, so that plays a role. I also experienced it as a book on CD, and had a very good reader, so that factors too.

Why thud? For the calm, demure, jeeves-esque butler goodness. For Mr. A. E. Pessimel. The whole training the "volunteer" scene had me in stitches. For the insight into the mind of Brick. For the delightful dialogues between Nobby and Fred Colon, concerning War, The Nature of Art, and trouble at the pink pussycat club. Finally, for the moment of glory that is "Where's My Cow?"
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on September 19, 2007, 05:35:28 AM
Actually my favorite novel of all is probably Small Gods, and then Hogfather.

Hogfather contains the most eloquent description of humanity I've found "Where the fallen angel meets the ascended ape"
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 23, 2007, 10:51:27 AM
heh im about 50 pages into making money, and it looks like gold standard economics is gonna be a big part of it,  its enjoyable so far. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 26, 2007, 08:23:42 PM
so ive finished Making Money.  It was ....... pretty good.  I like moist more now, but it was not one of my favorite books of terrys.  Although the whole "how economy works" aspect of it was pretty cool. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on September 29, 2007, 04:29:03 PM
Did you hear about the adaptation of The Colour of Magic which will be heading our way relatively soon (another Christmas Special possibly)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Douglin on September 30, 2007, 08:58:23 AM
Did you hear about the adaptation of The Colour of Magic which will be heading our way relatively soon (another Christmas Special possibly)

NO!  Who's doing Rincewind?  It's a pity they already used Nigel Planer, as I think he'd be ideal...

Well going against the "already used people" thing - It's going to be David Jason!? not sure about that myself. Maybe they'll be able to make him look a bit younger

and Twoflower is going to be Sean Astin!? - hopefully he'll just be playing it as American...( oh, imdb says he's only rumoured so hopefully they get someone more, you know, Chinese to do it)

and Tim Curry's going to be in it with Christopher Lee taking over as Death
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on September 30, 2007, 07:11:11 PM
I've got to say I also thought Planer would have been excellent as Rincewind, the one talking book of the Discworld series that I have is him reading the unabridged Interesting Times.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 01, 2007, 05:01:33 AM
Trying to think who Curry would play , Thetis? Ymir? I mean there are a bunch of minor characters in TCOM and perhaps only really two major ones (three if you count the Luggage). Oh god he's not going to be playing The Patrician is he?

I think the producers are being influenced by two things when it comes to casting Jason 1) his popularity in general and 2) the original cover art by Kirby (who could never seem to get any of the characters right, I'm at his passing but I'm glad Kidby took over the covers).
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 11, 2007, 07:40:19 PM
what about curry as the zombie lawyer?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: mrbasehart on October 11, 2007, 09:17:18 PM
I wonder what they'll do with the Librarian...
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: PsypherPunk on October 12, 2007, 01:52:42 AM
There are details on the Wikipedia page for the supposed cast. David Jason as Rincewind? Sean Astin as Twoflower? That's just wrong. The rest of the cast is pretty good though.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 12, 2007, 04:52:08 AM
I wonder what they'll do with the Librarian...
Not in Colour of Magic. That's much later.

Well not much later but not in The Colour of Magic

Edit: Oh so they are featuring Horace Worblehat, And it looks like it's actually The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic combined. So I'm thinking we'll not be seeing Liessa or Druellae. Which is a shame, still I suppose it is a family adaptation.

Edit II : Well am I ever glad to be partially wrong. Here's Liessa

(http://www.skyoneonline.co.uk/tcom/images/karen_david.jpg)

Yow, I want to be Hrun  :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 07, 2007, 05:01:15 AM
OK so I finished Making Money

If Pterry continues to write the books for the right amount of time (and isn't slowed down by the effects of his stroke) Moist is going to end up as Patrician isn't he?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 07, 2007, 12:22:09 PM
he doesnt have the evil needed for the patrician. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 07, 2007, 12:25:58 PM
But he does sort of think like him at times and you know Vetinari thinks wheels within wheels. by the time Havelock goes to meet Wuffles at the rainbow bridge Moist will probably have overhauled most the Ankh-Morpork's institutions; sort of like he's completed Patrician School :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 07, 2007, 12:29:37 PM
MAYBE,  but the city just wouldnt run without vimes.  Further i dont think moist has enough evil to deal with uberwald and the other far away places let alone the guilds. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 07, 2007, 12:33:40 PM
Oh and I think you're right but at somepoint Havelock has to find a successor. I think that might make a book in itself, the question is will we ever see it?

Terry said his stroke hasn't really effected him but time will tell.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 07, 2007, 12:36:28 PM
how old is the patrician anyways?  and oh goodness what will happen to leanard?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 07, 2007, 12:46:10 PM
I think he's in his 50s.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 07, 2007, 12:47:53 PM
i think he should let leanard loose on the city for a while, kinda give it a information age boost. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 07, 2007, 03:51:10 PM
He did, but it was a minor one that he didn't even know had happened until he was getting a check up. He just thought he was getting a touch of old age.

Here's a story about it (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=490576&in_page_id=1774)

Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Junkyard on November 07, 2007, 05:20:20 PM
You know, I read something by Pratchet a while back, I think, but I don't rememebr the name. It was about a guy starting a newspaper.

Am I even thinking of the right series? A vampire who loves photography?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 07, 2007, 05:32:02 PM
Otto Chriek. Black Ribboner and photographer for the Times.

The books called The Truth. And it's one of maybe three I have that are signed by the man himself. Actually that makes my set relatively rare seeing how people will often bring Pterry all their books to be signed.

I does occur to me I should really try and get him to sign my original copy of Theatre of Cruelty
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Junkyard on November 07, 2007, 06:47:12 PM
*FLASH*
AAAUUUGHHHDAMNDAMNDAMN!!!!
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 07, 2007, 07:28:57 PM
you should read Going Postal. I have to say while the Witch books still have a special place in my heart, i really like the "Civics" books
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 08, 2007, 05:13:11 AM
I don't dislike Vimes but I do prefer him as a character within the city rather than the focus.

It's interesting to see how the books have evolved. I think somebody reading The Colour of Magic back in'83 would never have imagined Making Money to be part of the same series.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 08, 2007, 07:31:19 AM
See the witches books remind me of growing up in the countryside. Plus my Nan was pretty much Nanny Ogg (the Kirby version of her on Witches Abroad is almost a spitting image of her).

Wintersmith actually made me want to start a Morris Side, though I'm not sure how to go about that.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on November 10, 2007, 04:18:49 PM
The witches books tend to have the most Pratchett Preaching, and inspire the most gut-wrenching sentiments of philosophical resentment, character hatred, angst, and moral revulsion in me. They always make me feel like I'm supposed to cheer on the martyr Granny Weatherwax, and they always wind up filling me with resentment-driven hatred for her. I keep losing the narrative thread because I'm thinking about how much I despise all that she stands for.

Another reader and friend said she thinks that Granny Weatherwax is the literary equivalent of Cayen: A little bit goes a long way.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 10, 2007, 04:21:18 PM
Hmm interesting I read them for Agnes/Magrat/Tiffany (depending on the book) and Nanny. I generally feel pity for Granny. But then I like Maidens and Mothers but am ambivalent about Crones.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on November 10, 2007, 04:42:55 PM
I'm kinda the same about that, but Masquerade nearly made me break down sobbing. I was behind Agnes the whole time, and it felt like the message was "There is no hope, no choice, you're so screwed, you don't even know how screwed you are, just lie down on a train track and save yourself some effort."

I shared her scream.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 11, 2007, 06:15:13 AM
See the thing is when you read Lords and Ladies while it might seem like Granny's doing everything, in the final analysis, it's Magrat who takes an active stand against the Elves and it's Nanny who ultimately saves the day because she actually likes one of the factions enough to persuade it to shut down the other. At least that was my take on it.

Forget Granny, Nanny is the most truly powerful Witch in Lancre
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on November 11, 2007, 10:34:55 AM
I liked Lords and Ladies, but I think it suffered from the same issue as Return of the King: too many endings. They defeated the elves because of magrat, and because of the king. and because granny was bees for some reason, and then they woke up and it was all a dream.

Otherwise it is one of my favorite Witches books.

TripeHoundRedux, you've got a good point there. Granny is witch with the most magical power, but maybe Nanny is better at actual >>witchcraft<<.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 11, 2007, 05:20:56 PM
Wow, harsh.  I'm rather fond of Granny, actually.

I quite like Granny too, but nowhere near as much as I like Nanny. Granny is beneath her powerful exterior she's a very lonely character who gave up a potentially fulfilling domestic life with Ridcully for something respected and important but hardly rewarding existance for the most part.

I think Nanny represents the flighty girl that gains wisdom as she ages while Granny is what happens when you're always a clever girl and never let go of that.

See this is another reason why I love the witch books; as character studies they are second to none. I only wish I could have written an essay about the Lancre Coven back in uni. I could never find a way to shoe-horn it in however.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Douglin on November 22, 2007, 08:59:32 AM
So here's a tiny pic of the poster for the Colour of Magic, tv movie they're doing
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u198/douglin/CofMagic_large.jpg)

Hmm.... I guess it's really going to be the Colour of Magic and the Light Fantastic stuck together
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Post by: Tripe on November 22, 2007, 09:04:48 AM
If Trymon's in it absolutely

Love the new avatar.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Douglin on November 22, 2007, 09:10:55 AM
thanks

Here's the website I got it from

http://www.rhifilms.com/property.php?propertyId=CofMagic (http://www.rhifilms.com/property.php?propertyId=CofMagic)

Has a plot synopsis too...
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 22, 2007, 09:14:22 AM
Yeah I saw the Sky One site (http://www.skyoneonline.co.uk/tcom/) as well. Here's  Liessa

(http://www.skyoneonline.co.uk/tcom/images/karen_david.jpg)

it'd be nice to see Druellae as well but i think sjhe'll be cut for time sake.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Reductio_ad_absurdum on November 22, 2007, 09:24:28 AM
I absolutely loved the Color of Magic, and really looking forward to that tv movie.  However, I couldn't stand "Small Gods", not because it is a satire of religion, but that its a HEAVY-HANDED satire.  After about 30 pages of constantly being told that I was basically stupid, I gave up.  It ruined Discworld books for me.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 22, 2007, 09:26:29 AM
Hmm as the son of a Deacon I found Small Gods to be one of my all time favorites. I also like Hogfather anbother one about the nature of belief.

I didn't find it overly heavy handed at all.

It's a shame you gave up it's really rather good.

Not sure if you've read Aquinas at all, but Brutha's a nice burlesque on the author of Summa Theologiae
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Douglin on November 22, 2007, 09:29:51 AM
it'd be nice to see Druellae as well but i think sjhe'll be cut for time sake.

huh, I would have expected them to cut out the Dragon stuff (too expensive) and leave in the tree stuff...

They mention the "space exploration" part in the synopsis, I wonder if we'll get a few Last Hero references, a shot of the space dragons would be nice

oh well, we shall see
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Reductio_ad_absurdum on November 22, 2007, 09:32:36 AM
Hmm as the son of a Deacon I found Small Gods to be one of my all time favorites. I also like Hogfather anbother one about the nature of belief.

I didn't find it overly heavy handed at all.

It's a shame you gave up it's really rather good.

I used to study satire a lot, so I guess it was more apparent to me.  Is it heavy handed as His Dark Materials?  No.  But just enough to make me throw the book down, and I never do that because of my bibliomania.

Maybe I consider heavy handed because I didn't expect it to be so harsh (I knew beforehand that it was a religion satire)?

EDIT:  Color of Magic completely intuned itself to my sense of humor, so that is why I absolutely loved it, and couldn't stop reading it.  "Small Gods" might have if it hadn't made me fill like I was trudging, and if I start trudging through a book I stop because I just don't have the time to waste.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 22, 2007, 09:36:12 AM
I used to study satire a lot, so I guess it was more apparent to me. 

So did I, one of my A level dissertations was about satire from the 18th Century to the present (early '90s) and I love Juvenal and Horace.

I think you're right about you reacting more to the harshness than the delivery there.

Much satire is a cudgel rather than a rapier, even the exceptional exemplars.
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Post by: Reductio_ad_absurdum on November 22, 2007, 09:46:38 AM
I used to study satire a lot, so I guess it was more apparent to me. 

So did I, one of my A level dissertations was about satire from the 18th Century to the present (early '90s) and I love Juvenal and Horace.

I think you're right about you reacting more to the harshness than the delivery there.

Much satire is a cudgel rather than a rapier, even the exceptional exemplars.


Hmm... I must admit that as I really look at my past, I really didn't study satire farther from Alexander Pope.  I hold The Rape of the Lock as my personal standard for satire, whether that be for good or ill.

Thats why I shelved a satire I was writing because I felt that it would just not be advantageous for me to complete it.  Its a fun little story though, but I felt uncomfortable continuing as I was.   Though a spin off story has been appealing to me, but I haven't written a thing for it.  The muse had left me with that other book.

EDIT:  I wish I had more time to read Thomas Aquinas and further into Tertullian and St. Ignatius.  One day I shall have a Church Father's complete bookshelf.  Brutha is Thomas Aquinas?  Hmm... I did have to say I liked the Brutha character.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 22, 2007, 10:42:19 AM
Yeah with the derision from his masters and apparent slow-wittedness which hides the insight and phenomenal mental capacities.

When you get a moment have another look at it. :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Reductio_ad_absurdum on November 22, 2007, 11:22:51 AM
Yeah with the derision from his masters and apparent slow-wittedness which hides the insight and phenomenal mental capacities.

When you get a moment have another look at it. :)

I read a little more on what Brutha does for Omnianism (That is the weirdest made up religion name), and though it kinda spoils it for me I'd rather a little thing be spoiled then an entire book.  I will read it again... when I have time.

Blood may buy oil, but I wish oil could buy time.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on November 24, 2007, 09:17:11 AM
I don't think it's such a weird name. Om=all, total, as in omnipotent or omniscient, which are traits most dieties claim to have, especially the head dieties of more omnian-esque faiths.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Pak-Man on November 27, 2007, 06:01:38 PM
When does Color of Magic come out? I need to know so I can start looking for ways to discreetly "aquire" it in the states. :^)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: chinton on November 28, 2007, 04:10:07 PM
Small Gods is easily my favorite Discworld novel that Ive read so far. Such great characters. I couldnt put it down.

I also really liked Interesting Times mainly becuase of Teach. Great character who has a great exit.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 29, 2007, 03:41:53 AM
And yes, I agree with Sarcasm_Made_Easy that Moist is being
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Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 29, 2007, 07:57:19 AM
Ptraci

I'll go with Liessa or possibly Susan Sto Helit

Though Spike certainly has a certain something.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 29, 2007, 08:05:40 AM
Ptraci

I'll go with Liessa or possibly Susan Sto Helit

Though Spike certainly has a certain something.

Is Liessa Cohen's daughter?    Thing about Susan is that I'm not sure she even acknowledges sex.  You can at least see that Spike has some...interest in it.

Nope she's the ruler of Wyrmberg look up the thread a bit and you'll see what she looks like in the live action version of TCoM

Er that's part of why I find Susan sexy, perking interest hitherto unexpressed is kind of hot.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 29, 2007, 08:23:58 AM
OK after Rincewind and Twoflower has escaped the temple of Bel Shamaroth they come across a huge structure standing on point from which dragons fly out and capture them.

Liessa and her brothers rule the place but with Hrun's help Liessa reigns supreme.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: BathTub on November 29, 2007, 09:24:16 AM
and by huge structure wouldn't that be Upside Down Mountain?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 29, 2007, 10:30:25 AM
That's the one
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 29, 2007, 12:34:12 PM
It is one of the few I don't have in both versions so I couldn't say.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on December 02, 2007, 09:47:59 AM
For the sexiest woman on the discworld, I'd have to cast my vote either for Ysabell or Agnes Nitt. x3

BBW FTW
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on December 02, 2007, 04:10:31 PM
Ysabel is Death's adopted daughter and Susan's mother.

Try to find the comic book adaptation of The Light Fantastic in which she looks delicious, rather than the comic book version of Mort where I think they make her look terrible.

I always think of her as looking a bit like Britney Murphy circa Clueless except with silver hair.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on December 02, 2007, 06:48:38 PM
Ah well I was trying to get across that chubby but cute kind of idea. Pick your own actress that meets that archetype and give her a silver wig :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on December 07, 2007, 09:07:29 AM
Aparently it's availble at Borders now, er perhaps (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Hogfather-Borders-Exclusive-Release/8378).
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Post by: Compound on December 07, 2007, 03:22:13 PM
Aparently it's availble at Borders now, er perhaps (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Hogfather-Borders-Exclusive-Release/8378).

Not perhaps. Confirmed. I saw copies at my local Borders on Monday. I've been waiting until the weekend to buy it as I have a coupon. That 5% off the regular price adds up.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tyrant on December 07, 2007, 03:46:20 PM
You all know Hogfather is coming out over here because, after a year or so of having it on our network folder and spending hours debugging it and converting it to multiple files to get it to even play on our system, we finally were able to burn it on DVD not more than 3 days ago, right?  :gouge:

  You can send thank you cards whenever.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on December 07, 2007, 08:34:57 PM
I think Sympathy ones might be more the order of the day.
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Post by: Tripe on December 07, 2007, 08:59:18 PM
No no, I liked it I meant the ordeal Tyrant went through to get it, all for mostly naught (although I suppose you don't have to buy it now)

The girl who plays Susan is wonderful and fits well with what I've said about Susan's attractiveness.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tyrant on December 07, 2007, 09:05:45 PM
I think Sympathy ones might be more the order of the day.

  We'll take those too.  ;D  We probably will buy it. The resolution that came out on the burned copy isn't so hot.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Pak-Man on December 07, 2007, 10:16:16 PM
I swung by Borders on the way home and picked up a copy of my own. 20% off right now. This movie is going to become a Christmas tradition. Thanks for the heads up. This wasn't advertised AT ALL, so spreading the word would be good. I want this to sell well enough for them to consider releasing Color of Magic in the states closer to the time the movie's done.  :^)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Compound on December 08, 2007, 12:07:35 PM
Seems to be. It's $16.99 here in Denver as well. And I also have a copy in my hands as well.
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Post by: Tripe on December 09, 2007, 09:08:02 AM
So of those who have bought it, what are the special features like?
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on December 09, 2007, 05:05:14 PM
just picked it up.  and am watching it.  they nailed the feel of the book its crazy how close it is
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Post by: Tripe on December 10, 2007, 12:17:31 PM
Isn't Susan great?

It's a shame Ian Richardson passed away I think he's great as Death, and while Christopher lee will mostly likely also be good i think Richardson captured Death's hoplessness in dealing with the minutiae of mortal existence perfectly.
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on December 10, 2007, 07:31:38 PM
i dont know the difference between the two cause ive only seen this one.  And i thought he did pretty darn good. 
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Post by: Tripe on December 11, 2007, 06:31:27 AM
Well you'll get to compare the two after The Colour of Magic airs.

You know I was thinking the other day the central duo in The Colour of Magic have about the right ages but in the wrong roles. Sean Astin is about the right age for Rincewind and David Jason about the right age for Twoflower.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Compound on December 12, 2007, 10:28:02 AM
Oh, bloody hell. Bad news regarding Mr. Pratchett:

http://www.paulkidby.com/news/index.html

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Folks,

I would have liked to keep this one quiet for a little while, but because of upcoming conventions and of course the need to keep my publishers informed, it seems to me unfair to withhold the news. I have been diagnosed with a very rare form of early onset Alzheimer's, which lay behind this year's phantom "stroke".

We are taking it fairly philosophically down here and possibly with a mild optimism. For now work is continuing on the completion of Nation and the basic notes are already being laid down for Unseen Academicals. All other things being equal, I expect to meet most current and, as far as possible, future commitments but will discuss things with the various organisers. Frankly, I would prefer it if people kept things cheerful, because I think there's time for at least a few more books yet )




PS I would just like to draw attention to everyone reading the above that this should be interpreted as 'I am not dead'. I will, of course, be dead at some future point, as will everybody else. For me, this maybe further off than you think - it's too soon to tell. I know it's a very human thing to say "Is there anything I can do", but in this case I would only entertain offers from very high-end experts in brain chemistry.

Blast.
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Post by: Tripe on December 12, 2007, 12:30:54 PM
Oh  :( How very sad :'(
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Douglin on December 12, 2007, 02:30:02 PM
well that's horrible ... nice to see he's got a good attitude about it though.
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Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on December 12, 2007, 03:38:06 PM
Well, he was getting on in years. =/

It's not like he didn't have a fairly full life and a good deal of accomplishments.
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Post by: Tripe on December 12, 2007, 03:40:06 PM
Actually he's not really that old, he's only 59.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on December 12, 2007, 03:42:39 PM
Quote
nice to see he's got a good attitude about it though.

he wouldnt be the author we all love if he wasnt.  I hope he is doing well despite it all.  its too bad, too i wish there was one more vimes book. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on December 12, 2007, 03:58:21 PM
Interesting the Fourth Tiffany book isn't mentioned.

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Post by: Tripe on March 27, 2008, 05:58:07 PM
I'd forgotten this was on over Easter

[yt=425,350]VkEb0rBYK7A&NR=1[/yt]

Well not that exactly, but The Colour Of Magic

I rather like what I see there.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 27, 2008, 06:02:09 AM
what is out there?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on April 27, 2008, 06:02:54 AM
The Dramatization of The Colour Of Magic
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Pak-Man on May 01, 2008, 10:04:48 PM
Me and Tyrant have. :^) We loved it through and through. Even though the books say Rincewind was supposed to be Younger, the way he's portrayed in the movie is ripped right out of my head. He looks just like I always pictured him, and he sounds exactly like the voice in my head when I'm reading the books (Which in turn sounds like the Travelocity Roaming Gnome. It's funny who your head casts as voice actors sometimes. :^))

Actually most of the imagery in both the Discworld adaptations matches up exactly with how I picture it, which never seems to happen with most book adaptations. Usually my version of things is way off, but either Pratchett speaks to my wavelength or he does a wonderful job of describing things.
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on May 02, 2008, 07:25:14 PM
nah i hope they stay away from the watch, its too dear to me.  besides they would have to do one like thud or feet of clay or something where vimes is already established (in my opinion those would make better movies than guards guards) and that just seems like heresy without guards guards.

going postal could be AWESOME.  i hope that works. 

ps any clue on when this is coming to dvd (colour of magic)? 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on May 02, 2008, 07:58:53 PM
sheesh thats way the heck out there.  stupid time  MOVE FASTER
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on August 23, 2009, 06:25:43 PM
The cover confuses me a bit, as I don't know why people are reaching with their hands for a football, but hey, whatever.

UU is a kind of Public School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_College_football) isn't it?

It could be that I suppose.  :-\
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on August 24, 2009, 05:10:16 AM
Perhaps it's something more Discworldy than that.  But I suspect it's just an ass-head doing the cover.  They've mostly sucked of late.
Well it could be but since he likes to echo things from the real world I'm thinking some analogue of Webb Ellis might show up. :)

Here's the British cover

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Unseen.jpg)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on May 31, 2010, 07:48:11 AM
It kind of is a steampunk novel though, partially, so the Victorian elements make sense, they're there in the book as well.

Haven;t seen it yet, have to track it down. :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on May 31, 2010, 08:08:19 AM
Yeah it's the problem that comes from skipping over so many of the books, though actually Hogfather has more of the later period touches to it.

I'd like to have seen a film of Pyramids really.

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Post by: dawnstar on August 07, 2010, 09:07:50 PM
Hey,

I was just wondering.  Is anyone going to the Discworld 2011 convention in Wisconsin?  My sister and I are going and thought it might be fun to get a caravan together.  We're from Northern Indiana by the way.

Aside from that I'm geeked about the next DW book that Pratchett is working on, Snuff.  It's supposed to be a Watch book.  No other info has been released but I hope they address the issue of Carrot's royal lineage in this one.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on August 08, 2010, 05:28:24 AM
I thought I Shall Wear Midnight was the next one?  This is the first I've heard of Snuff.
Ditto, turns out by "next" they mean "after Midnight is published" (http://www.paulkidby.com/news/index.html)

He's phenomenally prolific, all things considered.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on August 08, 2010, 10:51:29 AM
I thought he was dictating them I seem to remember reading that Unseen Academicals was the first to be written that way, at least in part.

He writes articles for the Daily Mail from time to time as well so I think it might be an intermittent thing.

I'd really like to see him at  a signing one more time, that was a lot easier to achieve in England though (and I was one of the good attendees).
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Post by: dawnstar on August 08, 2010, 07:01:47 PM
I did mean the book after Midnight, which I think comes out in September.  I'm excited about that book too, I love the Feegles.

As far as I know, TP uses this software program so he can dictate right to the computer.  With the Alzheimer's TP has said that when he's typing he sometimes losses his thought in the middle of a sentence. 

TP has confirmed that he will be at the convention.  For more info  here's the website:  www.nadwcon.org
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on September 23, 2010, 04:14:55 AM
Yep, have Midnight preordered, can't wait, I love those witches, and it features Esk apparently so that'll be interesting.

I have Eric, I also have the original copy of Theater of Cruelty (W. H. Smith was a major hangout for me once upon a time).

I don't actually have any of the Science of Discworld books though, I was thinking about picking them all up from Amazon or something.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: CJones on October 20, 2010, 12:27:36 PM
Wow, I never bothered to check this board until now.

I used to be a big fan of the Discworld books, but I got kinda burned out on them after a while. I think the last one I actually finished was Going Postal. Favorites would have to be Mort (simply because it was the first I read), Hogfather (the movie was surprisingly good too) and pretty much any of the ones about the Watch. If I had to pick a favorite character though, I think I'd have to go with The Patrician. He's just too awesome not to like.

The ones I didn't particularly like were Reaper Man, The Last Continent and Soul Music. Though to be fair, I never finished any of them, so maybe they got better later on.

And I have to mention Small Gods. Probably the least funny DW book, but also one of the most brilliant.

I'm actually in the middle of reading Good Omens yet again. I've already read that book more times than any Discworld book. Any fan of Terry Pratchett must read Good Omens.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 10, 2010, 04:00:01 PM
Crivens! ?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 10, 2010, 04:26:19 PM
Me neither and that would be the most likely book.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 13, 2011, 09:38:22 AM
Looks great,  And i still love vimes.  Probably my favorite charectar in the whole of discworld. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on April 25, 2011, 08:53:57 AM
Yesterday i got in the mail my ankhmoorpork  watch wallet :) 

available on the paul kidby site. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on June 06, 2011, 02:58:41 PM
So it looks like pre order going postal is up on amazon, didnt see a blue ray or product info yet

http://www.amazon.com/Going-Postal-Artist-Not-Provided/dp/B0050W0VGQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1307397466&sr=1-1
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Compound on June 16, 2011, 09:57:35 AM
Not good news here.

Terry Pratchett begins formal process to end his life (http://blastr.com/2011/06/terry-pratchett-begins-fo.php)

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Three and a half years ago, Terry Pratchett, the beloved author of the Discworld series, announced that he has early-onset Alzheimer's disease. Now he's made an even more startling announcement.

Pratchett, who has campaigned in his native United Kingdom for the right of assisted suicide, has begun the formal process of assisted suicide in Switzerland, one of the few countries in the world to legalize euthanasia. Specifically, this would take place at Dignitas, a clinic that provides qualified doctors and nurses to assist with the patients' suicides.

Dignitas has sent Pratchett the paperwork he needs to sign to begin the assisted suicide process—but he has yet to sign it.

According to The Guardian,

    "The only thing stopping me [signing them] is that I have made this film and I have a bloody book to finish," he said during a question-and-answer session following a screening at the Sheffield documentary festival Doc/Fest.

    He said that he decided to start the process after making the film Terry Pratchett: Choosing to Die, which shows the moment of death of a motor neurone sufferer, millionaire hotel owner Peter Smedley.

Terry Pratchett: Choosing to Die airs tonight in the United Kingdom, which means the end could be nigh for our literary hero. But the The Guardian wrote that "According to Dignitas, 70% of people who sign the forms do not go through with taking their own lives."

We wish Pratchett the best, no matter what his decision is.

And geez, the last few days I've just been a font of bad news, haven't I?

Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on June 16, 2011, 10:00:36 AM
Sigh boo
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on June 16, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
Well, he probably doesn't want to end up like Iris, as sad as it is.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 24, 2011, 12:44:53 AM
woot just ordered my copy of going postal on bluray. 

YAY

http://www.amazon.com/Terry-Pratchett-Going-Postal-Blu-ray/dp/B0056G1AM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311493479&sr=8-1
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on July 24, 2011, 05:43:30 PM
but its blu ray its never reasonable
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 12, 2011, 11:44:48 AM
an excerpt for Snuff.

http://www.npr.org/books/titles/139263611/snuff-a-novel-of-discworld#excerpt

It has such a melancholy tone.  quite interesting. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on August 12, 2011, 11:55:54 AM
Can't wait, Vetinari just gets better and better as a voice for the author as the end approaches.

The story about Otters in Unseen Academicals was spectacular.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 12, 2011, 12:03:36 PM
i forget what otters?

But yeah in that excerpt its more clear than ever he is speaking for mr pratchet, which im not sure how much i like being able to hear him that clearly through vetinari. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on August 12, 2011, 12:27:27 PM
It's at a function at the Palace and the subject is evil

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The Patrician took a sip of his beer. “I have told this to few people, gentlemen, and I suspect I never will again, but one day when I was a young boy on holiday in Uberwald I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, I’m sure you will agree, and even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged on to a half-submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders, gentlemen: mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that’s when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.”

The two wizards exchanged a glance. Vetinari was staring into the depths of his beer mug and they were glad that they did not know what he saw in there.

Now, agree with it or not, it's a startlingly memorable passage and done with great economy.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on August 12, 2011, 12:31:16 PM
No, I'm not referring to the end of the books per se.  There should be a few more, and he repeated that in the NPR interview the link is connected to.

But yeah, one does begin to wonder. :-\
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 12, 2011, 01:42:56 PM
The interview in NPR said very specifically he is still writing two more.  wether there is anything beyong that i dont know but it does sound omnimous. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Compound on August 12, 2011, 01:54:59 PM
Wait. Back up. Weren't they doing "Guards, Guards" as the next live action release or did I hallucinate that? I could have sworn I'd heard a story about Sean Bean being Vimes.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on August 12, 2011, 01:59:21 PM
Unseen Academicals (http://www.mobfilm.com/about-commercials)

Also Sean Bean as Vimes? Impossible, Vimes doesn't die...

There was talk about a City Watch series however.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Compound on August 12, 2011, 02:05:08 PM
No, I meant that wasn't Guards the next film made after Colo(u)r was. I guess my imagination wandered off on its own there.

Unseen Academicals (http://www.mobfilm.com/about-commercials)


Well blast. Now I'm two behind on the live action stuff.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on August 12, 2011, 02:10:51 PM
Oh, no, Going Postal, and I really liked it. Well especially Spike (though she wasn't called that once in the show)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5258/5572854992_3cc0ef0d0c_z.jpg)
Smoking (not pictured)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on August 12, 2011, 02:12:38 PM
Quote
It's at a function at the Palace and the subject is evil


I prefer granny weatherwax

Quote
"It's not as simple as that. It's not a black-and-white issue. There are so many shades of gray."
"There's no grays, only white that's got grubby. I'm surprised you don't know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 20, 2011, 12:26:03 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO just got an email from amazon that says Going postal blu ray is in the mail WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on September 22, 2011, 01:55:10 PM
I watched episode one of going postal last night with a friend. 

My copy is blu ray and it is quite weird what scenes look GREAT and what ones look ok, and I don’t know what the reason for that was.  Spike looked gorgeous through the whole thing though. 

It’s an excellent adaptation and it was pure joy for me to watch, that joy was enhanced thoroughly by having my friend there who knows nothing of Discoworld.  He loved it and I think he is quite interested in disc world now.  We plan on watching the second part tonight.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 04, 2011, 09:38:49 AM
Anyone else worried that Snuff will be the last Discworld book?  

Modify:  Aslo  WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO   Tuesday is snuffday
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 12, 2011, 06:09:10 AM
Should have it delivered from Amazon presently (today I think).
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 12, 2011, 07:34:47 AM
What does the Book Club cover look like for this one? I pre-ordered the Amazon one a month of so ago along with Ann's birthday present. :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 12, 2011, 07:40:11 AM
Oh, I thought the usually have a unique design.  :-\
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 12, 2011, 07:41:28 AM
I am about half way through it.  I am enjoying it a lot, but it is surprising how much this one refers back to others. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: shodan on October 12, 2011, 02:40:11 PM
the Hogfather TV movie introduced me to Discworld and i pick up a book every now and then, it's one of the few series that makes me laugh out loud.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 17, 2011, 09:15:19 PM
I've been hearing about these books for a while but haven't read any, just watched one of the TV movies (The Colour of Magic) on netflix, plan on watching Hogfather tomorrow night.

Looks like they are between $5 and $8 each for the kindle.  Been looking for a new series to start, this might be it.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 18, 2011, 04:32:02 AM
Which raises an interesting question: Where do the uninitiated start with the Discworld books? Opinions vary.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 18, 2011, 05:55:27 AM
I know that for ages people used to say read them in order but start with Mort.

The very first one I read was Witches Abroad mostly because Nanny sort of looked like my maternal grandmother on the cover I think.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 18, 2011, 08:04:26 PM
Watched Hogfather, I like it a little bit more than Colour of Magic.  Going Postal isn't available on Netflix streaming but was only $4 on iTunes, downloading it tonight and will watch that one tomorrow night.

I've been looking at various articles on the order to read the books, but I usually like to read a series in the order it was written, to see how the author develops things.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 19, 2011, 11:22:10 PM
Watched and loved the TV movie of Going Postal.  Nice to see the guy that played Jeff in Coupling in something else.  I might have to start with that book because I'm sure there's tons of stuff in the book that wasn't in the movie.  Off to the Amazon Kindle store I go...
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 24, 2011, 05:45:18 AM
I got my copy of the new Discworld board game in the mail this week:

(http://www.treefroggames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/am-collectors-med.jpg)

It's beautifully produced and really fun to play. It's made my wife interested in actually reading the books!
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 24, 2011, 05:54:44 AM
I'm thinking of getting that once I see if Ann likes those sort of games (it's her birthday on Wednesday and I got her a similar one about the French Revolution).
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 24, 2011, 02:02:23 PM
I'm thinking of getting that once I see if Ann likes those sort of games (it's her birthday on Wednesday and I got her a similar one about the French Revolution).

Awesome - Which game is it?

I got my copy of the new Discworld board game in the mail this week:

(http://www.treefroggames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/am-collectors-med.jpg)

It's beautifully produced and really fun to play. It's made my wife interested in actually reading the books!

Interesting; do you need more than 2 to play?

It will play up to four, but it plays really well with two.


(There's a second Discworld game that came out at the same time:

(http://www.zmangames.com/boardgames/files/guards_guards/top-box-guards-guards.jpg)

I haven't played it, but the other one is by my favourite designer.)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 24, 2011, 02:17:22 PM
I'm thinking of getting that once I see if Ann likes those sort of games (it's her birthday on Wednesday and I got her a similar one about the French Revolution).

Awesome - Which game is it?
This one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0040QE4UW)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81%2Bh1g3UD3L._AA1200_.jpg)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 24, 2011, 02:25:24 PM
Ah! Same designer too! I have about half of the games he's designed, but not that one.

Discworld is much lighter, from my understanding (A game with two players can easily take less than half an hour, all though I think it'll actually get a little longer once we get to know the game better).

Liberte is supposed to be excellent though. :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 24, 2011, 02:29:35 PM
Yeah, looking at the board and the multiple routes to winning it does seem to have similar DNA.

I'm going to do a vid on Youtube about the personalities on the cards since there's a great review of the game on there but the bloke doing it says he doesn't know who most of the people are. So I thought a quick biographical survey might be interesting to people who are in the same boat. :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 05:47:45 PM
FYI: I did get Going Postal for my Kindle and am loving the book even more than the TV movie.  ;D
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 24, 2011, 05:51:29 PM
Discworld is great. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 24, 2011, 05:56:23 PM
*Sorry to continue an off-topic conversation. I guess I should start a board game thread. I'd searched for one in the past and hadn't had any luck. I'll hang it up after this. ;)

Yeah, looking at the board and the multiple routes to winning it does seem to have similar DNA.

I'm going to do a vid on Youtube about the personalities on the cards since there's a great review of the game on there but the bloke doing it says he doesn't know who most of the people are. So I thought a quick biographical survey might be interesting to people who are in the same boat. :)

Cool idea! When I finally pick up a copy, I'd actually be interested in watching a video like that myself!

I don't know how into designer board games you are - maybe you already know all about Martin Wallace and his games - but if not, these are two that my wife and I really enjoy:

(http://www.treefroggames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/london.jpg)

London (http://www.treefroggames.com/london) - Set after the Great Fire and is all about the rebuilding of London. Works really well with two players.

(http://www.treefroggames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/few-acres1.jpg)

A Few Acres of Snow (http://www.treefroggames.com/a-few-acres-of-snow-2) - A two player only game about the war between the British and the French over Canada.

But I've had a hard time getting my gaming groups interested in Tinners' Trail (http://www.treefroggames.com/tinners-trail):

(http://www.treefroggames.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/tinners-main.jpg)

His game about mining in Cornwall in the nineteenth century.

ANYWAY, the Discworld board game is really fun.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 24, 2011, 06:07:45 PM
FYI: I did get Going Postal for my Kindle and am loving the book even more than the TV movie.  ;D

Yay!  Making Money is good too, and that would be the next logical step.  Does the Kindle version have the cool chapter illustrations?

After that you might be interested in The Truth, which is sort of similar (deals with industrialization, etc.).  I recommend all of them, of course, though I think Soul Music is my least favorite.

Really soul music?  How did you feel about moving pictures?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 24, 2011, 06:10:41 PM
FYI: I did get Going Postal for my Kindle and am loving the book even more than the TV movie.  ;D

Yay!  Making Money is good too, and that would be the next logical step.  Does the Kindle version have the cool chapter illustrations?

After that you might be interested in The Truth, which is sort of similar (deals with industrialization, etc.).  I recommend all of them, of course, though I think Soul Music is my least favorite.

Really soul music?  How did you feel about moving pictures?

I haven't read either of them in a while now, but I disliked Soul Music more than Moving Pictures. I also didn't really like the Hogfather that much. I don't really like Susan.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 24, 2011, 06:16:07 PM
See this is where the adaptation is superior to the book, I can take or leave Susan, but I love Michelle Dockery

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1295/533599189_81c4aea8c7_o.jpg)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: D.B. Barnes on October 24, 2011, 06:18:21 PM
See this is where the adaptation is superior to the book, I can take or leave Susan, but I love Michelle Dockery

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1295/533599189_81c4aea8c7_o.jpg)

Hey, I recognize that face! She was fantastic in Downton Abbey.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 24, 2011, 06:19:35 PM
I mean I'm not sure which adaptation has the cuter female lead because Spike is the lovely Claire Foy, some sort of contest would have to occur.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 06:49:03 PM
FYI: I did get Going Postal for my Kindle and am loving the book even more than the TV movie.  ;D
Yay!  Making Money is good too, and that would be the next logical step.  Does the Kindle version have the cool chapter illustrations?

Nope, no illustrations on the Kindle version.  They tend to not do them because of the limitations of e-ink.  It's a shame because I've gotten a few in Kindle format from the Gutenberg Project that have nice illustrations and you just have to load the book into the Kindle app on the PC to see them well.

See this is where the adaptation is superior to the book, I can take or leave Susan, but I love Michelle Dockery

Don't tell me Susan in the movie is more interesting than in the book, I was thinking about that one next just because of her character, and secondly, Death....
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 24, 2011, 06:49:57 PM
I mean I'm not sure which adaptation has the cuter female lead because Spike is the lovely Claire Foy, some sort of contest would have to occur.

Bikini hot oil wrestling competition?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 06:55:02 PM
I mean I'm not sure which adaptation has the cuter female lead because Spike is the lovely Claire Foy, some sort of contest would have to occur.

Bikini hot oil wrestling competition?

I was just going to post that I'd like to see that contest, but now I'll say I'd pay big money to see that contest.... :o
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 24, 2011, 06:58:09 PM
Claire's something else isn't she?  ;)

I really like Hogfather though as a book, I like all the religious philosophy ones.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 24, 2011, 08:15:42 PM
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Moving  Pictures was okay, because I like CMOT Dibbler's role in it, and Gaspode is great.  Soul Music was just...kinda stupid? I dunno.  I'm not really a fan of rock music, so maybe that's it.  I get the references, but I just don't think they're funny; seems kind of beneath Pratchett, and the sort of thing any hack could do.

I found the two books remarkably similar in theme and delivery.  I like them both but neither are among my favorites.  Jingo is actually I think one of my least favorites.  Maybe equal rites too.   
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 24, 2011, 08:16:52 PM
That's too bad. The book has wonderful woodcut-style illustrations of the stamps at the beginning of the chapters (and the fact that it has chapters at all is an oddity in the non-juvie books).

I've looked at the stamps on the website, so I guess I'm only missing the stylization from the woodcut effect:

http://www.terrypratchettbooks.com/discworld/stamps.html
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 25, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
Ah, no that's pretty much what they look like. Cool!

I quite like Jingo, personally.  I like that it points out the stupidity of people who get caught up in racism and warmongering.

Yeah I get it, and I do like most of Vimes part in that, but the whole patrician angle in it I just found annoying.  However all of Pratchet's books have big themes.  Even Soul Music I would say is about the fanaticism that surrounds music and musicians.   
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 26, 2011, 04:37:40 PM
Finished Going Postal, great book...

I think I'll stick with my plan of getting the books for the movies I've watched first, then go from there.  So on to Hogfather for me...
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 26, 2011, 09:25:09 PM
That will be an interesting read order. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on October 26, 2011, 09:29:07 PM
Yeah, that seems like a less than ideal way to do it... But as long as you're enjoying them!
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on October 26, 2011, 09:29:26 PM
Its hard to not enjoy them. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 27, 2011, 03:43:57 PM
Yeah, that seems like a less than ideal way to do it... But as long as you're enjoying them!

Since I've just watched the movies, while they are still fresh in my mind I'd like to see how they are different from the books.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: DysfunctionalElectricMonk on October 27, 2011, 03:44:25 PM
Its hard to not enjoy them.  

one would have to suffer from a severe lack of a sense of humor to not enjoy Pratchett.

I seem to lean more towards the Watch books as I like imagining how folks would deal with a Carrot in everyday life.....go ahead and stop and imagine that for a moment....ok, pick yourself up off the floor and resume reading.  It really isnt as much diggin Vimes, Vimes is ok, especially reading about how he deals with being titled, but the interaction of the various guards with your regular citizens of AM are what really crack me up.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on October 27, 2011, 04:47:35 PM
I'm very fond of the Watch books but the Witch books, for the most part, are still my favourites.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 23, 2011, 03:11:23 PM
Finished Hogfather, the blue bird of happiness bit just about killed me....

Now to start reading them in the order they were written, on to The Color of Magic (there's a special e-book edition that now on sale for $0.99).
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 28, 2011, 12:08:27 PM
Anyone else really enjoy the tiffany aching books?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 28, 2011, 12:23:14 PM
Yep, I love all the Witch books and I love Tiff and the Feegles.

Oh and I finished Snuff. Good stuff.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 28, 2011, 12:25:24 PM
Tiff was a really compelling character (sic).  We got to see a lot more witch "types" cause of her.  hell almost enough for a discworld paper and pencil roleplaying game. 
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Edward J Grug III on November 28, 2011, 04:24:51 PM
Yes, but I haven't read the last one yet.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 28, 2011, 04:27:54 PM
hell almost enough for a discworld paper and pencil roleplaying game. 

You mean like this?

(http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/discworld/img/cover2_lg.jpg) (http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/discworld/)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on November 28, 2011, 04:44:24 PM
yeah something like that

MUST HAVE IT NOW
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 28, 2011, 04:46:04 PM
If you get it, you'll probably want the later supplement as well. That ones from '98 or '99.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 01, 2012, 10:21:11 PM
Got to Color of Magic and Light Fantastic in the last 2 weeks.  So I've now finished all the books for the movies.

Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 08, 2012, 11:03:09 AM
Finally finished Sourcery.

Not sure which one I'll read next.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on May 08, 2012, 11:40:26 AM
The next Ricewind book perhaps?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 08, 2012, 12:48:47 PM
Either that (Eric) or try one of the witches books (Equal Rites) since I haven't read any in that group yet.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on May 08, 2012, 12:53:16 PM
Read Wyrd Sisters instead. Equal Rites is a beta run with the characters.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: goflyblind on May 08, 2012, 01:03:19 PM
still a good read, though.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on May 08, 2012, 01:08:42 PM
It's an OK read. They're all good because he wrote them but the first few are, different.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 11, 2012, 10:54:52 PM
Since I've read 3 Rincewind novels in a row I figured I'd go with Tripe's suggestion and read Wyrd Sisters.  And like magic, there it is on my Kindle....   And my PC, and my Kindle Fire........
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on May 12, 2012, 06:56:32 AM
Awesome, not saying Equal Rites isn't worth reading, but Wyrd Sisters gives you the core of the Coven. I'd go read it after Lords and Ladies if I was doing it over (it does need to be read it prior to I Shall Wear Midnight at the very least).

So I received this email the other day:

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Hi Nick,

We are interviewing author Terry Pratchett for the Goodreads monthly newsletter. I am asking his readers to submit questions about his upcoming science fiction novel written with Stephen Baxter, The Long Earth, his past work, and anything you're curious about in general. If you send me a question, we may be able to include it!

* You received this message because you gave 5 stars to a book by Terry Pratchett. To participate, please respond to this message with your question by Sunday, May 13.

I was wondering about plot lines or characters he's thought of but never been able to use or characters that he's wanted to revisit but never found the place for.

Any other questions people have?
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Gandalf Lundgren on May 15, 2012, 02:39:47 PM
I'm not knowledgeable on the books but the games are great.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 13, 2012, 06:48:37 PM
Finally got around to reading Wyrd Sisters this week, awesome book.

Got a few other books I want to get to before my next Pratchett one, so plenty of time to decide witch one to get next.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Variety of Cells on October 07, 2012, 05:16:37 PM
In doing more research to see when the next book in The Long Earth series will be released, I came across Choosing to Die.  Incredibly sad. (EDIT: Not just that Terry won't be with us much longer, but because the documentary does a good job of letting you put yourself in that situation.  It's a scary place to be, and I marveled at the bravery of those in the film).  It's good to see he's still writing and seems to be doing ok, but The Long Earth is an amazing book, and I very much want to read more in that word.

In fact, I think I have to say that I enjoyed it even more than most Discworld books (which I love dearly).  The pace is a lot different.  It gives you time to settle in and explore a whole new world(s), just as the characters are discovering and exploring new places.  Really makes you feel that sense of manifest-destiny that the settlers must have felt.  Much different than the quite well established Discworld.  And The Long Earth takes the time to really sit down and think about how these fundamental changes to our world would effect how people act and what they would do, instead of having a specific message in mind and then trying to create world around it that ends up failing to feel human.   

I wonder if Terry's decision to bring a partner on for this book had anything to do with his knowledge that he doesn't have long here, and that the idea is bigger than a single book.  In any case, it worked out wonderfully, and I recommend the book to anyone in this thread who has at least a slight interest in science fiction.

Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on October 07, 2012, 08:13:17 PM
In doing more research to see when the next book in The Long Earth series will be released, I came across Choosing to Die.  Incredibly sad. (EDIT: Not just that Terry won't be with us much longer, but because the documentary does a good job of letting you put yourself in that situation.  It's a scary place to be, and I marveled at the bravery of those in the film).

Just watch this on YouTube, brings up way too many conflicting emotions for me.  Having watched 2 family members die from cancer and one from Alzheimer.  Alzheimer is the worst, it's bad for everyone the years it takes for the persons memory to go, but then the time after that the person is gone but their body lives on for years, making it worse for everyone else in the family.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on November 15, 2012, 09:28:20 AM
Well the Discworld will continue, no matter what (http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/11/terry-pratchett-reveals-he-will-hand-off-discworld-to-his-daughter), should be interesting.

Also,

(http://www.tor.com/images/stories/blogs/12_11/Rhianna-Pratchett-discworld.jpg)

Lovely.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Pak-Man on November 15, 2012, 10:03:26 AM
Oooh. She's written some good video game stories and she's contributed to some articles and interviews on Gamasutra about the writing process that were really insightful. I think she'll do fine with Discworld.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Kruge on December 22, 2012, 11:35:34 AM
Well the Discworld will continue, no matter what (http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/11/terry-pratchett-reveals-he-will-hand-off-discworld-to-his-daughter), should be interesting.

Also,

(http://www.tor.com/images/stories/blogs/12_11/Rhianna-Pratchett-discworld.jpg)

Lovely.

THAT! is Terry's daughter?!?!

Whoa!

I love the Discworld, it's been a constant part of my life ever since "Die Farben der Magie" (the colour of magic) came out in Germany in 1985. Back then I already was a fan of Douglas Adams and had even read the English original of the Hitchhiker's Guide, but it was the Discworld that later kept me reading books in English (and that, alongside Star Trek and Babylon5 (the original videos were released about a year before the German dubs got broadcast over here) turned English into my "second first language").

Favourite characters... Oh dear. Who isn't? :D I love the Witches, Death&Company, the Ankh Morpork watch, the Wizards (*all* of them, Rincewind as well.), the Lancre Morrisk Men... :)

Pratchett writes the strongest female characters I ever came across in any fantasy story - from Tiffany to Esmeralda Weatherwax, they are brilliant.

What makes me re-read the books about once every three years or so is of course the fun I have with his characters and stories, but also the deep insight Terry has for what it means to be a human - even if he sometimes uses Dwarves and Trolls to explain it. His characters are alive and the Discworld ought to be a friggin real place, because it WORKS. :D
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Kruge on December 22, 2012, 11:43:51 AM
Read Wyrd Sisters instead. Equal Rites is a beta run with the characters.

To me Equal Rites is mostly a kind of prequel to the Tiffany Aching stories - with Granny Weatherwax having to deal with a young girl and all that. Also Eskarina - the girl - later re-appears in Tiffany's storyline.

That's one of the things that got me hooked early on - you *constantly* run into old friends, so to say. In the beginning it was mostly Death and CMOTDibbler, but there's Nobby and Visit in Hogfather, Vetinari having his fingers in all kinds of stuff, Lu Tze is brushing some dirt in some corner and so forth.
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Tripe on February 26, 2013, 08:04:07 AM
Now see, adapt that once and we can have the Ridcullys, like I was saying a moment ago on Facebook. :)
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: goflyblind on February 26, 2013, 09:17:19 AM
New Science of Discworld book due out in April:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51HLZCrdLzL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: All things discworld
Post by: Johnny Unusual on April 28, 2013, 04:11:15 PM
I haven't read any of the books, but I am familiar with the shape of the world, and that's pretty cool.  (I did get Good Omens for my birthday, though.  Not a Discworld book, but still).