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Title: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on January 28, 2010, 01:43:48 PM
Welcome to the discussion thread for the new season of Lost.

Anything that is aired does not need SPOILER tags.  Any genuine spoilers about a future episode should include SPOILER tags.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 28, 2010, 01:49:46 PM
"Gonna get my beer on. Get my Lost on."

I'm pretty excited.  Heroes has just been spinning its wheels so I'm hoping this will deliver the thrills.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Bob on January 28, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
"Gonna get my beer on. Get my Lost on."

I'm pretty excited.  Heroes has just been spinning its wheels so I'm hoping this will deliver the thrills.

I finally gave up on Heros and deleted the DVR recordings, so I am hoping Lost does not drag things out.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: no_springs on January 28, 2010, 09:56:40 PM
Someone was going to post it eventually..
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/final_season_of_lost_promises_to
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 28, 2010, 10:06:09 PM
Someone was going to post it eventually..
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/final_season_of_lost_promises_to

It has been posted already by Duck, but since Kete00 was kind enough to get this shit started, it belongs here. BRING IT!!!

http://www.theonion.com/content/themes/common/assets/onn_embed/embedded_player.swf?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theonion.com%2Fcontent%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2FLOST_FANS_ARTICLE_1_13_10.jpg&videoid=100222&title=Final%20Season%20Of%20'Lost'%20Promises%20To%20Make%20Fans%20More%20Annoying%20Than%20Ever
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: ShadowDog on January 31, 2010, 01:26:38 PM
Get ready to buy that beer, Mike!  Heh

Mike: "Not if the smoke monster from Lost has anything to say about it."
Kevin: "The smoke monster is the Silver Surfer!"
Mike: "You know, in 5 years, if the truth is less retarded than that, I'll buy you a beer."
Kevin: "Okay."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: MrTorso on January 31, 2010, 06:15:42 PM
"Gonna get my beer on. Get my Lost on."

Heh:

(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o255/MrTorso/Forum%20Posts/provisions.jpg)

I have K1 and some other friends coming over on Tuesday night!

Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: D.B. Barnes on January 31, 2010, 06:25:17 PM
 :D

All you're missing is the little liquor license application notice!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Bob on January 31, 2010, 07:40:34 PM
"Gonna get my beer on. Get my Lost on."

Heh:

(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o255/MrTorso/Forum%20Posts/provisions.jpg)

I have K1 and some other friends coming over on Tuesday night!



My beer fridge wanted to know if your beer fridge was seeing anyone.....

(http://pslowner.smugmug.com/Other/SmugShots/beer-fridge/520113557_wgnBw-M.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Kete on January 31, 2010, 08:22:59 PM
Those beers could use some new labels:

http://www.labelfeeds.com/media/IndieHQ/BeerOutlinedType.pdf


I don't drink, so I was thinking that Hot Pockets would make a good Lost theme:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2l9t8klNFjQ/SZnOiYofLsI/AAAAAAAABhQ/-XVXX-rZ5Bg/s400/hot+pocket+freezer.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: carlobee on February 01, 2010, 12:41:48 AM
i really love this show! :)

(http://storeyourpicture.com/images/signature_riffers.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: JimJ on February 01, 2010, 01:58:15 AM
I'm supposed to get my first HDTV in today (46 inch Sony) and getting DirecTV HD hooked up Tuesday morning.  If all goes as planned I'll be watching the premiere in HD, can't wait.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: dignan on February 01, 2010, 03:50:58 AM
I'm ready!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Kete on February 01, 2010, 09:09:45 AM
I guess they have the first 4 minutes available to watch online.  Without giving any spoilers, has anyone seen it?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Bob on February 01, 2010, 09:17:25 AM
I guess they have the first 4 minutes available to watch online.  Without giving any spoilers, has anyone seen it?

You mean the sequence when they all wake up and it had been a dream?   Yeah, that rocked online.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: k1 on February 01, 2010, 02:22:59 PM
"Gonna get my beer on. Get my Lost on."

I have K1 and some other friends coming over on Tuesday night!

mmmmm..... I'll be there at Beer O'Clock.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: k1 on February 02, 2010, 04:31:10 PM
Time for go to Lost.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: MrTorso on February 02, 2010, 04:33:52 PM
Time for go to Lost.



Already have a couple of beers down!

Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Bob on February 02, 2010, 05:10:23 PM
Ah, first, and hour long recap show.

Good move as it's been, like what, a year and half since it has been on the air?    Smart to get everyone caught up.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: dangfish on February 02, 2010, 05:47:00 PM
Ah, first, and hour long recap show.

Good move as it's been, like what, a year and half since it has been on the air?    Smart to get everyone caught up.


nine months.  But it certainly has felt like a year and a half.  This is the only show that I don't DVR and watch the next day. Fifteen minutes and counting!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: TTYT on February 02, 2010, 08:19:53 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 02, 2010, 08:40:28 PM
Well, that was weird...

So, how many time lines are there now?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: MrTorso on February 02, 2010, 09:21:05 PM
Flash-Sideways!!!


Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 03, 2010, 01:02:34 AM
Well, that was weird...

So, how many time lines are there now?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: ShadowDog on February 03, 2010, 07:53:26 AM
I think you're dead on.  Those were my thoughts coming off last night as well.

after they kill the dude in black

Ya know, I don't think Jacob wants him dead.  For one thing, Jacob doesn't even seem that pissed to be murdered.  Also, during their conversation at the beginning of last season's finale, only the MiB seems angry, Jacob is downright friendly.  It feels like a "one way rivalry" like you sometimes see in sports.  For instance, the Pats have beaten the Bills 13 times in a row or whatever it is up to now.  So Bills fans hate the Pats, but Pats fans don't hate the Bills.  Even if the Bills beat the Pats the next time they play, I still don't think Pats fans would hate the Bills.  It'd be like "well, had to happen sooner or later."  It appears that the animosity between them is mostly (if not all) one way.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Bob on February 03, 2010, 08:09:48 AM
Well, that was weird...

So, how many time lines are there now?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I third that.......

After that very long wait, it was worth it.   Well done on the season premier.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 03, 2010, 08:37:53 AM

My guess is that what they did LAST season didn't "reset" anything really...

If the bomb went off last season, things had to change....
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

However the story ends up, it was a great episode, should be a fun ride this season.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Rattrap007 on February 03, 2010, 08:46:31 AM
Here are my thoughts from another board:

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and

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Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Kete on February 03, 2010, 09:11:42 AM
I've also been rereading Stephen King's Dark Tower since I think it will have major connections in this final season.

This is why:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Other interesting connections to the Dark Tower:
The first line of the first book is, "The Man In Black fled across the desert, and the Gunslinger followed."
The first book can be seen on Ben's bookshelf in season 3 (or 4?)
The article reporting on Jeremy Bentham's death mentions the words "Ted", "Tower", and "Beam".  These are all very important terms in the series.
JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof were at one time slated to create the Dark Tower movie (but they got burned out working on Lost).

Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Bob on February 03, 2010, 09:39:34 AM
Can we make this thread spoiler free?    Just put a warned on the thread title?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Kete on February 03, 2010, 10:07:48 AM
Can we make this thread spoiler free?    Just put a warned on the thread title?

Agreed, but what should we consider as a spoiler?  Anything in Season 6?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Bob on February 03, 2010, 10:10:07 AM
Can we make this thread spoiler free?    Just put a warned on the thread title?

Agreed, but what should we consider as a spoiler?  Anything in Season 6?

I think unless someone with first hand knowledge of the future scripts, anything related to Lost should be spoiler free.   

Just my two scents (sight and smell) cents.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 03, 2010, 11:13:30 AM
Can we make this thread spoiler free?    Just put a warned on the thread title?

Agreed, but what should we consider as a spoiler?  Anything in Season 6?

I'd say make it like the previous thread, anything that has already aired should not need a spoiler tag.

In other words, if you haven't seen everything that has aired, don't read....
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: D.B. Barnes on February 03, 2010, 11:21:18 AM
I kinda stopped trying to analyze this show quite a ways back, but I enjoy reading everybody's analysis (some of it hurts my brain a bit!)

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Anyway, as long as the stakes are high and it's a fun ride, I'm on board. And the premiere got me nice and strapped in again. Welcome back, LOST!!!  ;D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Bob on February 03, 2010, 11:58:43 AM
For what it is worth.....

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 *Spoiler Free*
Post by: MrTorso on February 03, 2010, 12:28:42 PM
OK so now the topic header says "Spoiler Free".

I thought that we decided that if it already aired there was no need for spoiler tags?

The topic should be IMO:

LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)

Then within the thread we can talk freely about our own theories and what happened in the episodes that aired with no spoiler tags.  IF you post stuff about upcoming episodes that are genuine spoilers then use the spoiler tags.



Title: Re: LOST Season 6 *Spoiler Free*
Post by: Bob on February 03, 2010, 12:41:42 PM
I did like how ABC kept pushing their "shows that dont know how to pace things like Lost does" like Flash Forward and V.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 *Spoiler Free*
Post by: Rattrap007 on February 03, 2010, 12:47:10 PM
Oh did anyone notice

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Title: Re: LOST Season 6 *Spoiler Free*
Post by: Bob on February 03, 2010, 12:50:14 PM
Oh did anyone notice

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

No way......
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 03, 2010, 12:56:30 PM
Is anyone else worried that Sawyer may try to seduce Hurley in an attempt to take his lottery winnings?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 *Spoiler Free*
Post by: k1 on February 03, 2010, 01:12:24 PM
Oh did anyone notice

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

No way......

As soon as the camera went in the water here's what happened at MrTorso's:

"Where's the Darma Shark?"
*pause*
(Everyone) "DHARMA SHARK! Yeah!"
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on February 03, 2010, 04:25:36 PM
Some of the internet fans have taken to calling Evil Locke "The Lockeness Monster."  LMFAO!!!!

Is anyone else worried that Sawyer may try to seduce Hurley in an attempt to take his lottery winnings?

Con him for sure.  Seduce?  Well, it IS a lot of money!  ;)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 03, 2010, 05:36:31 PM
Oh did anyone notice

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

No way......

As soon as the camera went in the water here's what happened at MrTorso's:

"Where's the Darma Shark?"
*pause*
(Everyone) "DHARMA SHARK! Yeah!"

Yeah, I spouted "And we have our first cameo of the season!" and everyone looked at me strange, so I had to explain.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 10, 2010, 10:27:41 AM
Kate episodes aren't always my favorite, but I was still entertained.

I was very happy to see Aldo, but very sad to see him shot.

Ethan took me by surprise, and I hadn't thought yet about what the Others may be up to off the island.  It would be great if Locke went to a museum exhibit and found the mummified body of Richard or Jacob.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So I've been rewatching season 1, and, believe it or not, Locke's actions start to make more sense.  Locke had a confrontation very early on with Smokey, and the camera cuts away, preventing us from seeing exactly what took place.  I think that Locke was under Smokey's influence from the beginning.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 10, 2010, 11:03:00 AM
Yes, always glad to see Aldo, especially as I've been marathonning "It's Always Sunny..." lately.

I laughed out loud the entire time Ethan was on screen, simply due to the irony of the dialogue.  "I don't want to stick you with needles if I don't have to."

As for Locke circa season 1, I've been thinking that as well... for quite some time.  There's just nothing too much to back it up that couldn't just be pure coincidence.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20... but there weren't a lot of anything that is blaringly obvious now.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 10, 2010, 11:13:04 AM
As for Locke circa season 1, I've been thinking that as well... for quite some time.  There's just nothing too much to back it up that couldn't just be pure coincidence.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20... but there weren't a lot of anything that is blaringly obvious now.

I agree.  I don't think that they knew exactly what was going on back in Season 1.  I think they were just hoping to get the green light for the next episode.  However, I think that they may have reviewed all that stuff, and started building on things that were either minor or unintentional.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on February 10, 2010, 11:49:21 AM
Man, these people know how to make a television show. The first three episodes have twice the drama, action and suspense that the entire season of Heroes did.

Oh, and Claire's back and she's a BADASS!!!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 10, 2010, 12:35:53 PM
For me the biggest thing this episode was the obvious connection between the ones that landed and the ones that crashed, Clair calling out the baby's name was a big hint.

Wonder how they are going to connect the 2 story lines?  Is everything on the island shifted into the distant past, allowing for people to seem to be time traveling when they go onto the mainland?  The experiment with the rocket from the freighter to the island indicated that the island is shifted somehow even from a ship that close.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on February 10, 2010, 12:54:49 PM
Kate episodes aren't always my favorite, but I was still entertained.



Ethan took me by surprise, and I hadn't thought yet about what the Others may be up to off the island.  It would be great if Locke went to a museum exhibit and found the mummified body of Richard or Jacob.

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Ethan may have nothing to do with the others in this alternate reality.  Ethan was two years old when Dharma evacuated all the moms and children right before Jack's bomb went off.  He could've gotten off the island and just become a regular doctor.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 10, 2010, 01:02:24 PM
Kate episodes aren't always my favorite, but I was still entertained.

Ethan took me by surprise, and I hadn't thought yet about what the Others may be up to off the island.  It would be great if Locke went to a museum exhibit and found the mummified body of Richard or Jacob.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)



Ethan may have nothing to do with the others in this alternate reality.  Ethan was two years old when Dharma evacuated all the moms and children right before Jack's bomb went off.  He could've gotten off the island and just become a regular doctor.

Yes, some of my logic is a bit off.  Richard and Jacob were both on the island when Jughead went off, and, of course, couldn't be Egyptian mummies.

I don't think we saw whether or not Ben was evacuated, and he could very well have made it off the island.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on February 10, 2010, 03:40:02 PM
So what are the questions you want answered by the end of the season? I have a few:

Who were the bodies in the cave?

What did the psychic see when talking to Rose and Claire?

Full story on Richard.

I know there are more but I can't think of them now.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 10, 2010, 04:07:07 PM
mine is mostly the bodies in the caves... it's not even (seemingly) the most important bit of info, but it's one I really am waiting for an answer on.

Everything else would be nice to have answers to... and yeah, anything having to do with Richard and the Black Rock.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dignan on February 10, 2010, 04:26:07 PM
I just kind of want to know what's really up with Jacob and MiB.  Just, what they're really doing there.  And, is it just mere coincidence that Jacob ended up on Supernatural as Lucifer and MiB ended up on Supernatural as War?  Or is this some sort of cross-show pollenation thing like Stephen King did with his Dark Tower series and all his other books.  Is it just coincidence that 80% of the cast of Deadwood has appeared on LOST at some point?  Do the answers we seek lie with Ian McShane or Powers Boothe? 

I'm kidding, of course.  But, that would be awesome.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on February 10, 2010, 04:38:05 PM
These are all good ones. I'd also like to know more about what exactly Christian's role in everything is. His body never left the island, right? Is he alive/undead/ghost?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: jewishcarpenter on February 10, 2010, 05:14:42 PM
Why do I get the feeling that in the future I'm going to be referred as "one of those douchebags that followed LOST"?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on February 10, 2010, 05:17:31 PM
Why do I get the feeling that in the future I'm going to be referred as "one of those douchebags that followed LOST"?

Don't worry. There will be enough of us so if anybody gives us any crap, we'll fuck 'em up!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 10, 2010, 06:41:54 PM
Why do I get the feeling that in the future I'm going to be referred as "one of those douchebags that followed LOST"?

Don't worry. There will be enough of us so if anybody gives us any crap, we'll fuck 'em up!

And there's even more of us every day!!!   My sister watched the new episodes and immediately borrowed season one(1) from me.  Another person "lost" to Lost.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: gbeenie on February 11, 2010, 12:41:12 AM
So, is it just me, or are all the luggage and items coming up missing in the "no crash" timeline items that were prominent on the island in the "crash" timeline?


BTW, I assume the bodies in the cave were the French group that had captured Jin in the past.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on February 11, 2010, 05:50:38 AM
BTW, I assume the bodies in the cave were the French group that had capture Jin in the past.

It was a man and a woman. And didn't they have rocks on them or something? One white one black?


Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 11, 2010, 08:10:35 AM
BTW, I assume the bodies in the cave were the French group that had capture Jin in the past.

It was a man and a woman. And didn't they have rocks on them or something? One white one black?


The most prominent theory is that they are Rose and Bernard.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on February 11, 2010, 08:35:25 AM
I meant the rocks were white and black not the people!   ;)

I suppose it could be them but with all the good/bad/backgammon/light/dark references I would hope it was something more.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on February 16, 2010, 09:57:47 PM
Well now we know what the numbers mean. I think I just want to wait until everything has ended and watch them all in row! The wait in between each episode is killing me.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 17, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
Well now we know what the numbers mean. I think I just want to wait until everything has ended and watch them all in row! The wait in between each episode is killing me.

I know what you mean, too late now, but the season 6 disks won't come out August 24, avoiding spoilers for 3 months after the season ends would have been way to hard...

Still a lot of questions about the numbers, I wonder if the fact that they have had such a big influence on Hurley means he is the lead "candidate"....

The connections keep happening in the other timeline, so there's something going on there as well, it's not just what would have happened if the island was sunk when the bomb went off.

Probably not a coincidence that smokey is now "locked" into the shape of a guy named John Lock (at least in human form), the question is why?  They are good at creating multiple new questions for each one that gets an answer.

I wonder if smokey/lock getting off the island is the doomsday scenario the numbers lead to in the Valenzetti equation??   It would fit in with what Faraday said once about people being the variables.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on February 17, 2010, 07:02:42 AM
Bunch of screenshots of the cliffside cave:
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/gallery/gaaa93d0bdd4ed31790231253080ed7f3/

4 - Locke
8 - Reyes
15 - Ford
16 - Jarrah
23 - Shephard
42 - Kwon

I wonder if they're going to try and kill Hugo next and then Sawyer realizes that Richard was right.

Here's a breakdown of all the names & numbers that can be seen:
Number   ?    Already Crossed Out?   ?    Name   ? Grouping   ?
4    Yes    Locke (John)    Flight 815 (Dead)
8    No    Reyes (Hugo)    Flight 815 (Alive)
10    Yes    Mattingley    US Army? Others?
15    No    Ford (James)    Flight 815 (Alive)
16    No    Jarrah (Sayid)    Flight 815 (Alive)
20    Yes    Rousseau (Possibly Alex Rousseau or Danielle Rousseau)    French Team / DHARMA
23    No    Shephard (Jack)    Flight 815 (Alive)
27?    Yes    …?    Undetermined (Partial)
30    Yes    …la    Undetermined (Partial)
31    Yes    Rutherford (Shannon)    Flight 815 (Dead)
33    Yes    XW?    Undetermined (Partial)
34    Yes    C?    Undetermined (Partial)
42    No    Kwon (Jin? Sun?)    Flight 815 (Alive)
49    Yes    …chan    Undetermined (Partial)
50    Yes    Troupe (Gary)    Flight 815 (Dead)
55    Yes    Burke (Juliet)    Others
62    Yes    …?    Undetermined (Partial)
64    Yes    Goldstein    Undetermined
70    Yes    Faraday (Daniel)    Freighter
90    Yes    Troup (Gary)    Flight 815 (Dead)
115    Yes    Bargas    Undetermined
117    Yes    Linus (Roger? Ben?)    DHARMA/Others
119    Yes    Almeida    Undetermined
134    Yes    Chang (Pierre)    DHARMA
140    Yes    Lewis (Charlotte)    Freighter
171    Yes    Straume (Miles)    Freighter
175    Yes    Costa    Undetermined
195    Yes    Pace (Charlie)    Flight 815 (Dead)
222    Yes    O’Toole    Undetermined
238    Yes    Jones    US Army
251    Yes    Yaris    Undetermined
269?    Yes    Garner    Undetermined
272    Yes    Oralingo    Undetermined
282    Yes    Aguella    Undetermined
285    Yes    Jen…    Undetermined (Partial)
291    Yes    Domingo    Undetermined
313    Yes    Littleton (Claire? Aaron?)    Flight 815 (Alive)
317    Yes    Cunningham    Others
335    Yes    Hen…?    Undetermined (Partial)
337    Yes    Martin (Karl)    Others
346    Yes    Grant    Undetermined
…?    Yes    Sullivan    Undetermined (Partial)
…?    Yes    Goodspeed (Horace? Olivia? Ethan?)    DHARMA
…?    Yes    Lacombe    French Team
…?    Yes    …ersen    Undetermined (Partial)
…?    Yes    Reyno(lds?)    Undetermined (Partial)
…?    Yes    …zki (Radzinsky?) (Minkowski?)    Undetermined (Partial)
…?    Yes    Pickett    Others
…?    Yes    Orsen? Larsen?    Undetermined
…?    Yes    Brennan    French team
…?    Yes    Aguila    Undetermined

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on February 17, 2010, 07:14:09 AM
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Who were the bodies in the cave?

I'm sticking with the Rose and Bernard theory too for now.  Last night when we saw the two stones I mentioned it to my wife and she barely recalled he two bodies in the cave so who know maybe this really isn't all that an important detail - except that they clearly brought it up again. 

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What did the psychic see when talking to Rose and Claire?

I'm guessing he saw a jumbled up mess - you know like this show has been?  Actually, I doubt they will address this.

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Full story on Richard.

I am guessing he was a captive from the Black Rock.  Fake Locke says something to him on the beach about being "out of those chains".

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I'd also like to know more about what exactly Christian's role in everything is. His body never left the island, right? Is he alive/undead/ghost?

See I figure that since we see in the alternate timeline, Jack arriving at LAX and the body not being on the plane, that perhaps it was never on the plane to begin with.  Not sure how to reconcile this inconsistency.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 17, 2010, 07:35:52 AM
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Who were the bodies in the cave?
I'm sticking with the Rose and Bernard theory too for now.  Last night when we saw the two stones I mentioned it to my wife and she barely recalled he two bodies in the cave so who know maybe this really isn't all that an important detail - except that they clearly brought it up again. 

On the Lost podcast, they said they would talk about Adam and Eve only if they could work out a contract with the stones.  It looks like they were able to resolve the contract issues, and the white stone is even doing its own stunts!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 17, 2010, 10:06:43 AM
Bunch of screenshots of the cliffside cave:
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/gallery/gaaa93d0bdd4ed31790231253080ed7f3/

4 - Locke
8 - Reyes
15 - Ford
16 - Jarrah
23 - Shephard
42 - Kwon

I wonder if they're going to try and kill Hugo next and then Sawyer realizes that Richard was right.

Here's a breakdown of all the names & numbers that can be seen:


Wow... someone was bored.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 17, 2010, 10:22:47 AM
I don't understand the absence of Kate from the list.  Also, perhaps Shepherd is for Christian instead of Jack.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on February 17, 2010, 11:07:27 AM
Bunch of screenshots of the cliffside cave:
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/gallery/gaaa93d0bdd4ed31790231253080ed7f3/

4 - Locke
8 - Reyes
15 - Ford
16 - Jarrah
23 - Shephard
42 - Kwon

I wonder if they're going to try and kill Hugo next and then Sawyer realizes that Richard was right.

Here's a breakdown of all the names & numbers that can be seen:


Wow... someone was bored.

No job. Daycare closed today... losing my mind.  (Fortunately I found that list online done by someone else who was more bored/nerdy than I am.  I just copied, pasted, and then spent 20 minutes formatting it so it looked nice on here.)
(http://rlv.zcache.com/will_work_poster-p228834286055915538t5ta_400.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 17, 2010, 05:25:07 PM
I don't understand the absence of Kate from the list.  Also, perhaps Shepherd is for Christian instead of Jack.

Good catch, I hadn't noticed she wasn't on the list.   But didn't they show Jacob visit her as a little girl?  Maybe that was someone else.

Odd that several that are still alive are crossed off, wonder if we will find out why...

I just remembered back when the others were watching the plane crash I think it was Ben that said "we'll need lists" as he sent people to infiltrate the survivors, I wonder if Jacob had told Ben some of the names before the crash.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on February 18, 2010, 07:35:20 PM
Bunch of screenshots of the cliffside cave:
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/gallery/gaaa93d0bdd4ed31790231253080ed7f3/



I wonder if they're going to try and kill Hugo next and then Sawyer realizes that Richard was right.







I'm not convinced that Sawyer thinks Richard isn't right.   I  don't believe that he's buying everything MIB is telling him. After all, when Sawyer asks him what the island needs protecting from, MIB says 'nothing, it's a regular island. Nothing special about it.'   Okay, Sawyer just lived in the 70's for three years and is currently talking to a dead man.  Is he seriously going to believe that there's nothing special about the island at this point?  I don't think he's made up his mind where he stands yet.  There's a chance he may end up like an  undercover agent or something........pretending to go along with MIB in order to stop him.  I hate to say it because I love Sawyer, but I've always had the feeling that ultimately he would end up taking a bullet for the team.  I see him sacrificing himself to save the rest of them. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: gbeenie on February 19, 2010, 12:33:57 AM
Is it wrong that I'm more interested in the "no crash" timeline than in what's happening on the island?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on February 19, 2010, 04:17:56 AM
Is it wrong that I'm more interested in the "no crash" timeline than in what's happening on the island?

I wish I was more interested in it.  Every time they switch to it, however, I get more and more impatient to get back to the island.  Especially now that they're dealing with everything I've been waiting to see for so long (the temple, smokey, etc...).

And speaking of the 'no crash' timeline, am I the only one who thinks that Desmond's appearance on the plane isn't what it appears to be?  I remember back in season 3 when Desmond blew up the hatch. He immediately ended up in a 'do over' timeline in London where he was going to marry Penny this time and never come to the island.  Than Eloise Hawking shows up to do Course correction.  Now Jack blows up the hatch and ends up in a 'do over' timeline where Desmond suddenly appears next to him on the plane and then disappears when Jack comes back to his seat.  I'm thinking that Desmond is acting in a similar capacity to Eloise when she appeared in Desmond's 'do over' timeline.  Perhaps Eloise even sent him there.  After all, she seemed to know when Desmond fooled around with that 'pocket of energy' under the hatch.  Perhaps she's aware of what Jack did to the hatch as well.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on February 19, 2010, 06:03:48 AM
Eloise doesn't seem to have any magical powers.  The only reason she knew anything about Desmond was because she had Daniel's notebook from THE FUTURE.  Now that she's passed the last page of the notebook, she's as human and powerless as the rest of us.

Personally, I'm so bored with the alternate timeline that I'm going to start fast forwarding through it.  Locke is my favorite character and not even his non crash stuff held my attention, so nothing will.  Nobody in that timeline remembers anything from the real timeline, so it's pointless.  I can always go back and watch it on DVD later if it ever starts connecting up with the real stuff, but for now it's just filler wasting time between the stuff I really want to see, the on island stuff.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on February 19, 2010, 07:40:28 AM
I think it the sideways flashes are an interesting take. We see people who were at odds  become friends under other circumstances.

- Jack and Locke are at odds the entire series. In the sideflash Jack and Locke both lost stuff on the flight and Jack tries to help Locke.

- Kate took Claire's baby in island land, in the other she helps Claire save the baby by taking her to the hospital. Ethan took claire on the island, here he takes care of her and is a nice guy.

- on the island Locke had authority over Hurley, here Hugo is his boss. Also Locke was at odds against Ben on the island, here they become fast friends.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on February 19, 2010, 08:04:35 AM
I think it the sideways flashes are an interesting take. We see people who were at odds  become friends under other circumstances.

- Jack and Locke are at odds the entire series. In the sideflash Jack and Locke both lost stuff on the flight and Jack tries to help Locke.

- Kate took Claire's baby in island land, in the other she helps Claire save the baby by taking her to the hospital. Ethan took claire on the island, here he takes care of her and is a nice guy.

- on the island Locke had authority over Hurley, here Hugo is his boss. Also Locke was at odds against Ben on the island, here they become fast friends.

Huh, never thought of that before!

This sure is an interesting forum thread.....
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 19, 2010, 08:13:08 AM
Personally, I'm so bored with the alternate timeline that I'm going to start fast forwarding through it.  Locke is my favorite character and not even his non crash stuff held my attention, so nothing will.  Nobody in that timeline remembers anything from the real timeline, so it's pointless.  I can always go back and watch it on DVD later if it ever starts connecting up with the real stuff, but for now it's just filler wasting time between the stuff I really want to see, the on island stuff.

This may change your opinion. This is how the creators feel about the alternate reality stuff (from the Lost Podcast).  It's not very spoilery, but just in case....
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on February 20, 2010, 08:41:43 PM
Yeah, I heard that.  it does give me hope it will ulimately make sense.  And I think the alt timeline stuff will probably play better on DVD once we have all the answers we want and can have the patience to actually sit down and think about the difference between the timelines and all the subtle nuances.  Kind of like how people appreciated the Sandman Kindly Ones story arc after the fact a lot more but were really frustrated with how drawn out and confusing it was when it was coming out monthly.  Lost is a series that will only fully be appreciated when it's all on DVD.

Well, unless they do the fade to black copout.  LMFAO
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on February 21, 2010, 05:21:58 AM
I wouldnt mind them revisiting the blast door map at some point, or having a really detailed map of the island on the dvd special features.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on February 21, 2010, 10:20:03 AM
I wouldnt mind them revisiting the blast door map at some point, or having a really detailed map of the island on the dvd special features.
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What bothers me about the whole blast door map thing is who supposedly made it.  That one guy (who brought Desmond to the hatch) told Desmond that Radzinsky drew it.  Now that we've met Radzinsky (evil bald dharma guy who kept wanting to torture and kill everybody) it doesn't make much sense. All those weird sayings on there like 'here there be dragons.'.......I just can't picture Radzinsky being responsible for that. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on February 21, 2010, 10:37:54 AM
I wouldnt mind them revisiting the blast door map at some point, or having a really detailed map of the island on the dvd special features.

What bothers me about the whole blast door map thing is who supposedly made it.  That one guy (who brought Desmond to the hatch) told Desmond that Radzinsky drew it.  Now that we've met Radzinsky (evil bald dharma guy who kept wanting to torture and kill everybody) it doesn't make much sense. All those weird sayings on there like 'here there be dragons.'.......I just can't picture Radzinsky being responsible for that. 

Exactly!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 21, 2010, 11:26:13 AM
I wouldnt mind them revisiting the blast door map at some point, or having a really detailed map of the island on the dvd special features.

What bothers me about the whole blast door map thing is who supposedly made it.  That one guy (who brought Desmond to the hatch) told Desmond that Radzinsky drew it.  Now that we've met Radzinsky (evil bald dharma guy who kept wanting to torture and kill everybody) it doesn't make much sense. All those weird sayings on there like 'here there be dragons.'.......I just can't picture Radzinsky being responsible for that. 

Exactly!


Maybe he was alone pushing the button and went nuts (more nuts), made the map before going nuts and added the weird sayings after....  The bigger question for me is why paint the map in invisible ink in the first place?  It's already hidden on the retracted door....
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on February 21, 2010, 11:48:44 AM
I'd be willing to bet we see some sort of fan film at some point (sort of like The Hunt For Gollum one). 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on February 22, 2010, 08:58:24 AM
Well, we are all assuming that these are two simultaneous timelines operating independently but do we really know that?  Do we really know what the "date" is on the island right now?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 22, 2010, 10:30:29 AM
Well, we are all assuming that these are two simultaneous timelines operating independently but do we really know that?  Do we really know what the "date" is on the island right now?

Well, the hatch looks like it did after Desmond blew it up, Darmaville looks like it's been abandoned for a few years, the landing strip for the plane was there, so it's definitely a few years after the freighter incident.

But there was a flash as the plane was going down, so it may be that the entire island and everyone on it is now in the past relative to the rest of the world?  Could be the H-bomb wasn't a reset, it just put everyone near the time of the 815 crash, and the end of the game between white and black will be the true reset.

But then that wouldn't really reset the others that have different lives in the other timeline, so the reset has to go back farther in time.   Somehow everyone has to get off the island back some time before Ben gets shot and after darmaville gets built.  Ben seems normal in the other timeline, and we see darmaville on the sunken island....

Then there's Ethan, who is a doctor in the other timeline or story arc or whatever...  If there was not 815 crash then there's no Sawyer in the past to save Amy from the others....   Unless that's where the darma timeline goes differently, no intervention in that incident and somehow they don't kill Amy, the children in darmaville get off the island and then there's a reset....

OK, now my head hurts, time to stop thinking about this... ;D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on February 22, 2010, 10:45:48 AM

OK, now my head hurts, time to stop thinking about this... ;D



Sorry.  No actually I was thinking that the actions on the Island may be in the alter world crew's future. Maybe we'll see alter word 815 learn somehow of the alter world, their alter lives and go to the island - and we'll realize we have been watching the buildup to that scene where they wake up and find the hatch blown. Okay that didn't make any sense. Let me try this:

Jack on the plane touches down in LAX goes about his life but finds out through Eloise or some stuff about the other alter life and gets his alter memories of that life along with everyone else.  They manage to get back to the island with the hope that things will be fine post A-bomb only to find out that (and this is what we saw at the beginning of this season) they wake up to find Juliet and Sayid about to die...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 22, 2010, 10:59:58 AM
Jack on the plane touches down in LAX goes about his life but finds out through Eloise or some stuff about the other alter life and gets his alter memories of that life along with everyone else.  They manage to get back to the island with the hope that things will be fine post A-bomb only to find out that (and this is what we saw at the beginning of this season) they wake up to find Juliet and Sayid about to die...

So you're saying the crash and non-crash are simultaneous and will somehow merge?  I suppose that's possible, they did show when the time jumps were happening that they could go back and see themselves doing stuff, so it is possible to have 2 versions of the same person at the same time.

I keep going back to the incident with Sawyer rescuing Amy, if that event is changed, say Amy is sent back to warn that there's now a war between the others and darma, some of darma flees, it changes what happens later on, the hatch never gets built, no 815 crash, no Sawyer to start the loop in the first place, or they drill in a different spot, hit a different pocket of energy and that's what sinks the island, again, no Sawyer back in time to start the loop.   Of course that also means the jughead incident needs to be resolved differently as well....   Too many paradoxes to work out, maybe the simultaneous thread is better (easier anyway)....
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on February 22, 2010, 11:21:40 AM
Jack on the plane touches down in LAX goes about his life but finds out through Eloise or some stuff about the other alter life and gets his alter memories of that life along with everyone else.  They manage to get back to the island with the hope that things will be fine post A-bomb only to find out that (and this is what we saw at the beginning of this season) they wake up to find Juliet and Sayid about to die...

So you're saying the crash and non-crash are simultaneous and will somehow merge?  I suppose that's possible, they did show when the time jumps were happening that they could go back and see themselves doing stuff, so it is possible to have 2 versions of the same person at the same time.

I keep going back to the incident with Sawyer rescuing Amy, if that event is changed, say Amy is sent back to warn that there's now a war between the others and darma, some of darma flees, it changes what happens later on, the hatch never gets built, no 815 crash, no Sawyer to start the loop in the first place, or they drill in a different spot, hit a different pocket of energy and that's what sinks the island, again, no Sawyer back in time to start the loop.   Of course that also means the jughead incident needs to be resolved differently as well....   Too many paradoxes to work out, maybe the simultaneous thread is better (easier anyway)....

No I don't think they are simultaneous.  I think island happens post USA.  Well, I don't think that but it's an idea and one of the few I can see making any resolution of this crap.  If they are happening "simultaneously" (I use quotes because they really aren't as they exist in different dimensions apparently and there's no side:side comparison of timelines there really) then at some point I imagine the 815 crew of one will find out about the other...?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on February 22, 2010, 11:29:44 AM
It does sort of seem like they're doing a "Hey I feel like I know that person from somewhere but I can't place where..." in the Flash sideways parts.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 22, 2010, 12:05:56 PM
It does sort of seem like they're doing a "Hey I feel like I know that person from somewhere but I can't place where..." in the Flash sideways parts.

I'd say all those incidents are just to mess with us, it's the kind of thing this show would do.  Claire calling out  Aaron's name had me thinking like there might be some kind of "connection" but then it's just as likely she had the name in the back of her mind in both "time-lines".

No I don't think they are simultaneous.  I think island happens post USA.  Well, I don't think that but it's an idea and one of the few I can see making any resolution of this crap.  If they are happening "simultaneously" (I use quotes because they really aren't as they exist in different dimensions apparently and there's no side:side comparison of timelines there really) then at some point I imagine the 815 crew of one will find out about the other...?

The problem with shifting the island far into the future or past is all the connections made to the mainland while the 815 survivors were on it....  Unless there is a "portal" around the island, and that's what moves around in space and time...

Also have to wonder if Jacob had candidates for replacement, does the other "guy" also have a list?  One game ends and another starts with new players?  If this really is a game between good and evil then it's unlikely to have an ending.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6
Post by: Kete on February 22, 2010, 12:30:28 PM
In regards to the two timelines, I'm standing by my original statement:

I've also been rereading Stephen King's Dark Tower since I think it will have major connections in this final season.

This is why:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


I think that they will continue to have "glimpses" of the other timeline.  This will continue until they are able to merge the timelines with the help of Desmond or Eloise or Faraday.

Also have to wonder if Jacob had candidates for replacement, does the other "guy" also have a list?  One game ends and another starts with new players?  If this really is a game between good and evil then it's unlikely to have an ending.
I have a friend that had a great thought of what the final scene may be.  I know it's not a spoiler, but just in case:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on February 22, 2010, 12:50:50 PM
I could see that.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 22, 2010, 12:56:10 PM
Yea, something like that is certainly a possibility.  Those 2 might be too obvious though, Rose and Bernard would be a nice twist, Jacob and his rival sure act like an old married couple.   ;D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 23, 2010, 10:32:56 PM
Well, Austen is number 51 on the wheel... still un-crossed, so I guess that is a good sign for Kate fans who were wondering where she was on the cave wall.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 23, 2010, 11:23:22 PM
Well, Austen is number 51 on the wheel... still un-crossed, so I guess that is a good sign for Kate fans who were wondering where she was on the cave wall.

Also 108 was crossed off, so the whole point was to get Jack up there to mess with his head.

Still no Hume on any of the lists so far, was thinking Desmond was the one on the way to the island.  Maybe he still is.

Jack with a Son, that's really a big deal, that even more than showing the others in the side story tells us it's not just what would have happened if there was no crash, distant past events have been drastically changed even for those previously unconnected to the island.  Makes me think it's less likely that the mainland story will merge with the island, more likely the island story will go back in time to create the mainland one, but who knows with this show....

Oh, maybe it's just a prop error but there are some differences between the cave list and this one, I've noticed 50 and 55 are different. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on February 24, 2010, 05:11:02 AM
Still no Hume on any of the lists so far, was thinking Desmond was the one on the way to the island.  Maybe he still is.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Oh, maybe it's just a prop error but there are some differences between the cave list and this one, I've noticed 50 and 55 are different. 

Pretty sure the cave list wasn't Jacob's
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on February 24, 2010, 06:03:29 AM
My wife and I were trying to figure this out last night. 

So Jack in alterworld has a son. 

I think we are all fairly certain that the Jack on island DOESN'T and never has had a son. (if they simply came out now and said, yeah he had a son all along we just didn't reveal it until now that would suck).

SOOO...  Somehow the island being blown up in alterworld's 1970's somehow led to a difference where Jack had a son, since that was the main difference between the two timelines.  So the conclusion I am jumping to is that the mother of Jack's child is going to be island related.  Maybe Juliet?  Maybe Rousseau?  Someone who  would have been affected by the loss of the alterworld island prior 2003 (or whenever this show started).

Okay.  Then we see samurai dude.  Now, I assumed he had been living on the island his whole life but if he is in LA in alterworld, it means that he came to the island post DHARMA massacre since all the DHARMA and others were, presumable killed in the explosion that sunk the island (I suppose Ben made it off the island?  Dunno.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 24, 2010, 06:14:48 AM
I think we can assume that Jacob was influencing the lives of the people on the list.  Once the island was blown up, he wasn't able to influence their lives anymore, and we are seeing the result of that.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on February 24, 2010, 06:24:03 AM
I think we can assume that Jacob was influencing the lives of the people on the list.  Once the island was blown up, he wasn't able to influence their lives anymore, and we are seeing the result of that.

Does that mean that Jacob did NOT show up to these people: Sawyer to give him the pen to write the letter, Locke to see him after he was pushed out the window, etc.?  I am not sure that he ever actually did anything to influence their behavior.  If indeed this were the case, they wouldn't have ended up on the plane in the first place I presume (Sawyer was only on the plane to go avenge the "real" Sawyer).  So I don't buy the idea that somehow their lives were being molded by Jacob, although that is what Fake Locke may want us (or Sawyer) to believe.

My guess: Penelope is the mom of Jack's kid.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 24, 2010, 09:21:01 AM
It seems like each week they're showing a new Other in the separate timeline. The Other has seemed to be someone who had a strong island relationship with the person having the flashsideways.  Jack->Dogen, Locke->Ben, Kate->Ethan (although I'm not sure how strong the Ethan/Kate relationship was).  So if this pattern continues, who do you think the other would be for some of the likely upcoming flashsideways?  Here are my guesses:
Sawyer->Juliet
Sayid->Mikhail
Sun and Jin->Mr Friendly (I know he's got stronger connections to others, but he did blow up the raft with Jin on it)
Hurley->Libby? (Not an other, but I think this is the most logical place to tell her story)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 24, 2010, 09:23:08 AM
SOOO...  Somehow the island being blown up in alterworld's 1970's somehow led to a difference where Jack had a son, since that was the main difference between the two timelines.  So the conclusion I am jumping to is that the mother of Jack's child is going to be island related.  Maybe Juliet?  Maybe Rousseau?  Someone who  would have been affected by the loss of the alterworld island prior 2003 (or whenever this show started).

Okay.  Then we see samurai dude.  Now, I assumed he had been living on the island his whole life but if he is in LA in alterworld, it means that he came to the island post DHARMA massacre since all the DHARMA and others were, presumable killed in the explosion that sunk the island (I suppose Ben made it off the island?  Dunno.

Juliet is a good guess.

What was the samurai guys answer to how long he had been on the island?  Something about everyone on the island was brought there?

I think they are using the "butterfly effect" idea, change one little thing in the past and the cumulative effects can be huge, in this case you've got a number of people either never going to the island or leaving it before it sinks, their lives would be very different and effect everyone they come in contact with (and everyone those people contact, etc, etc...), so the total effect would be big.  But somehow there are still enough connections to put them all on that plane in both timelines...  So, are they still being manipulated somehow in the other timeline?  The other timeline could still be part of the game.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on February 24, 2010, 09:23:59 AM
Whoa I forgot all about Libby.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 24, 2010, 09:28:31 AM
Here are my guesses:
Sawyer->Juliet
Sayid->Mikhail
Sun and Jin->Mr Friendly (I know he's got stronger connections to others, but he did blow up the raft with Jin on it)
Hurley->Libby? (Not an other, but I think this is the most logical place to tell her story)

If Juliet was Jacks ex, and Juliet was now with Sawyer, that would be cool.  We would just need Jack and Kate to hook up to replicate the island love triangles...

I've been thinking it would be nice to show alter-Hurley happily living with Libby at some point...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: LordZordec on February 25, 2010, 07:30:47 PM
Wow...I cannot say I have ever sat through an episode of Lost.

I think that represents a fundamental difference between myself and the average mainstream American who regularly absorbs the popular culture in the form of whatever TV show is commonly watched at that time by the masses.  I think that fundamental philosophical difference can be very simply expressed this way: I am not a loser.

When you stick a Q-Tip in your ear and swish it around, that funny smelling, foul tasting orange matter that comes out on the end is not earwax, but rather is the portion of your brain that has decentigrated due to watching the latest episode of Lost (or American Idol, Desparate Housewives, or Fox News in any portion).  It has been statistically proven (and statistics never lie) that an individual who has watched 6 or more seasons of Lost has had as much brain cell loss and/or damage as Tom Petty and Mike Tyson combined. 

So, enjoy your pop culture au jous with baconaise, extra cheese, and super size fries... :scared:
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on February 25, 2010, 07:40:11 PM
And yet you actively seek out the "Lost" forum and post in it.

 :clap:

Please remember to supersize my drink next time sparky.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on February 25, 2010, 07:42:29 PM
And yet you actively seek out the "Lost" forum and post in it.

 :clap:

Please remember to supersize my drink next time sparky.

Yes. All hail the supreme filter of popular culture!!!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: LordZordec on February 25, 2010, 07:47:25 PM
Well, I posted about how much I hated Lost on The Wall Street Journal's forum about the complexities of the Middle East peace process, and they were like, "Yes, we agree that Lost is a complete waste of grey matter, but why don't you go post about it on a Lost forum somewhere..."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on February 25, 2010, 07:49:30 PM
Well, I posted about how much I hated Lost on The Wall Street Journal's forum about the complexities of the Middle East peace process, and they were like, "Yes, we agree that Lost is a complete waste of grey matter, but why don't you go post about it on a Lost forum somewhere..."

So I suppose you're off curing cancer while you're not dumping on a TV show?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on February 25, 2010, 07:49:51 PM
Anyhow, attention seeking troll aside......

Is this final season a complete season without a break, or are they taking a break half way through?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on February 25, 2010, 07:56:07 PM
Anyhow, attention seeking troll aside......

Is this final season a complete season without a break, or are they taking a break half way through?

No break. It's supposed to finish up on May 23rd.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on February 25, 2010, 08:00:35 PM
Anyhow, attention seeking troll aside......

Is this final season a complete season without a break, or are they taking a break half way through?

No break. It's supposed to finish up on May 23rd.

Oh, on my birthday, how nice of them!

And yes, you can start your shopping for my birthday now if you like.


Wonder what ABC has planned after LOST is off the air.   Fast Forward and V are not doing it for me.

Reminds me of how HBO was after Deadwood, Sopranos and Rome were done.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on February 25, 2010, 08:08:57 PM
Anyhow, attention seeking troll aside......

Is this final season a complete season without a break, or are they taking a break half way through?

No break. It's supposed to finish up on May 23rd.
Wonder what ABC has planned after LOST is off the air.   Fast Forward and V are not doing it for me.

Reminds me of how HBO was after Deadwood, Sopranos and Rome were done.

Can't you just hear the pitch meetings?

"It's just like LOST but instead of an island, it takes place on a..."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on February 25, 2010, 08:10:34 PM
Anyhow, attention seeking troll aside......

Is this final season a complete season without a break, or are they taking a break half way through?

No break. It's supposed to finish up on May 23rd.
Wonder what ABC has planned after LOST is off the air.   Fast Forward and V are not doing it for me.

Reminds me of how HBO was after Deadwood, Sopranos and Rome were done.

Can't you just hear the pitch meetings?

"It's just like LOST but instead of an island, it takes place on a..."

Sadly, I CAN hear this.

Toss in a smart mouthed kid and fiesty grandma, and you have a deal.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: LordZordec on February 25, 2010, 08:10:57 PM
Anyhow, attention seeking troll aside......

Is this final season a complete season without a break, or are they taking a break half way through?

OK, I know when Im not wanted. (sniffle)  I will leave you to your deep, meaningful discussion of this artistic human achievement.  May your forehead grow like the mightly oaks.  :-X
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on February 25, 2010, 08:15:36 PM
Anyhow, attention seeking troll aside......

Is this final season a complete season without a break, or are they taking a break half way through?

OK, I know when Im not wanted. (sniffle)  I will leave you to your deep, meaningful discussion of this artistic human achievement.  May your forehead grow like the mightly oaks.  :-X

I don't get it. Why would that be "wanted" in a thread that's clearly made up of fans discussing the nuts-and-bolts storyline of LOST?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 25, 2010, 08:44:31 PM
Anyhow, attention seeking troll aside......

Is this final season a complete season without a break, or are they taking a break half way through?

OK, I know when Im not wanted. (sniffle)  I will leave you to your deep, meaningful discussion of this artistic human achievement.  May your forehead grow like the mightly oaks.  :-X

I don't get it. Why would that be "wanted" in a thread that's clearly made up of fans discussing the nuts-and-bolts storyline of LOST?

Funny though how viewers of Lost are braindead... when this is the first show since Twin Peaks that makes me think.  It actually has every-day people discussing the complexities of quantum theory, and if paradox is at all plausible in regards to time, etc. etc.  Yeah, braindead.

I know some pretty smart people who are confused to all high hell by the intelligence of this show.

...also, it ends a week before MY birthday.  I expect a cake.  Chocolate.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on February 26, 2010, 04:01:01 AM
Anyhow, attention seeking troll aside......

Is this final season a complete season without a break, or are they taking a break half way through?

OK, I know when Im not wanted. (sniffle)  I will leave you to your deep, meaningful discussion of this artistic human achievement.  May your forehead grow like the mightly oaks.  :-X


I don't get it. Why would that be "wanted" in a thread that's clearly made up of fans discussing the nuts-and-bolts storyline of LOST?

Funny though how viewers of Lost are braindead... when this is the first show since Twin Peaks that makes me think.  It actually has every-day people discussing the complexities of quantum theory, and if paradox is at all plausible in regards to time, etc. etc.  Yeah, braindead.

I know some pretty smart people who are confused to all high hell by the intelligence of this show.

...also, it ends a week before MY birthday.  I expect a cake.  Chocolate.


My mother is the smartest person I know.  She usually doesn't care for sci-fi/fantasy stuff and turns up her nose at most shows.  Lost, however, intrigues her like very few shows ever have.  This is what validates LOST for me. She never wastes her time on anything that isn't worthwhile, as much as we've tried to get her to!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on February 26, 2010, 05:17:25 AM
Hating something JUST because it's liked is ignorant. You can be biased against popular formulas. But bias doesn't affect Lost, especially if you've never seen a minute of it. You can say, "I hate doctor shows." You can't say, "I hate shows where pillars of black smoke inhabit the bodies of dead people while the dead people's bodies remain separate and uninhabited."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on February 26, 2010, 06:15:10 AM
Wow...I cannot say I have ever sat through an episode of Lost.

I think that represents a fundamental difference between myself and the average mainstream American who regularly absorbs the popular culture in the form of whatever TV show is commonly watched at that time by the masses.  I think that fundamental philosophical difference can be very simply expressed this way: I am not a loser.

When you stick a Q-Tip in your ear and swish it around, that funny smelling, foul tasting orange matter that comes out on the end is not earwax, but rather is the portion of your brain that has decentigrated due to watching the latest episode of Lost (or American Idol, Desparate Housewives, or Fox News in any portion).  It has been statistically proven (and statistics never lie) that an individual who has watched 6 or more seasons of Lost has had as much brain cell loss and/or damage as Tom Petty and Mike Tyson combined. 

So, enjoy your pop culture au jous with baconaise, extra cheese, and super size fries... :scared:

Nice Master Shake Avatar fellow lover of pop culture
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on February 26, 2010, 07:32:05 AM
Anyhow, attention seeking troll aside......

Is this final season a complete season without a break, or are they taking a break half way through?

No break. It's supposed to finish up on May 23rd.

Oh, on my birthday, how nice of them!

And yes, you can start your shopping for my birthday now if you like.


Wonder what ABC has planned after LOST is off the air.   Fast Forward and V are not doing it for me.

Reminds me of how HBO was after Deadwood, Sopranos and Rome were done.

Hey and my anniversary.  Good thing my wife likes watching the show with me.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 26, 2010, 07:53:05 AM
Personally, Lost has encouraged me to read a whole stack of classic novels that I never got around to when I was in school.  I've never seen a TV show that has touched on science, philosophy, literature, and ethics the way this show has.

I do think that there is a portion of the population that will soak up whatever gruel you put before them, but they gave up on this show back in season 2 when it was too hard to understand.

Oh, and "The Wall Street Journal"?  Wow!  That is so intellectual!  I...I....just can't believe that a person smart enough to read the WSJ would grace us with his presence!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on February 26, 2010, 08:18:57 AM
Here's the list of names in the Lighthouse.  (I'm not going to bother copying it over like I did with the last list from the Cave.)

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lighthouse
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on February 26, 2010, 08:42:35 AM
If you haven't listened to any of the Lost podcasts, I really recommend listening to the following:

The Official Lost Podcast (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Official_Lost_Podcast) - This is hosted by the creators Damon and Carlton.  They are both very funny guys, and the podcast is very entertaining.  Recently I've been listening to old podcasts, and it's very interesting to hear how they tease the stuff that we know about now.  It's also cool to hear them talk about jokes that eventually make their way into the show (i.e. Zombies, Frogurt, Mr Friendly).  They also answer questions that may not be answered in the show.  If you're worried about spoilers, they do a good job of staying away from stuff that hasn't aired.

Geronimo Jack's Beard (http://geronimojacksbeard.blogspot.com/) - This one is hosted by Jorge Garcia (AKA Hurley) and his girlfriend(?) Sidekick 22.  I really like it because he recorded the podcast back when he first received the script for each episode, and he airs each installment the day after the episode actually airs (for example, he just released the podcast discussing his reaction to "The Lighthouse", but it was recorded back in October).  He talks about his reaction to the episode, and he really doesn't know any more than we do.  It's cool to hear theories and opinions from someone who makes the show, but who is in the same situation as us.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 26, 2010, 01:04:05 PM
Thanks for the link to Jorge Garcia's podcast, that is great.

Been thinking about the mirror and the candidates themselves, I think every candidate we have seen has had a father that let them down in some way, most of them big time.  So is that what Jacob has been looking for in his mirror, people damaged by their relationship with their fathers?

Jacob is the good father figure, the other guy is the bad?  The way fake lock said he was "disappointed in all you people" was something an overbearing dad would say.  They have been careful to avoid painting one side as all good or the other as evil, that would fit with the supportive dad and overbearing dad scenario.   This has me thinking of the 2 sides in Babylon 5, the shadows and vorlons having 2 different approaches to pushing the younger species to do better, and going to war over it with the people they were supposed to care about being collateral damage...  Jacob and the other guy both see each other as the bad guy now, and the people on the island are just pawns in their war. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on February 26, 2010, 01:10:16 PM
  So is that what Jacob has been looking for in his mirror, people damaged by their relationship with their fathers?

Nah, I think that was just kinda lazy writing - daddy issues make for easy drama.  I love the Jorge podcast too.  I feel like I'm hanging out in Jorge's living room with them.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on February 26, 2010, 03:11:03 PM
  So is that what Jacob has been looking for in his mirror, people damaged by their relationship with their fathers?

Nah, I think that was just kinda lazy writing - daddy issues make for easy drama.  I love the Jorge podcast too.  I feel like I'm hanging out in Jorge's living room with them.





I couldn't  disagree more.  Lost is the last show in the world to get away with 'lazy writing.'   Father issues have been a major theme on LOST since the very beginning.  I would be very surprised and disappointed if the whole 'daddy issues' thing doesn't play a part in the conclusion of the saga.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 26, 2010, 06:49:57 PM
  So is that what Jacob has been looking for in his mirror, people damaged by their relationship with their fathers?
Nah, I think that was just kinda lazy writing - daddy issues make for easy drama.  I love the Jorge podcast too.  I feel like I'm hanging out in Jorge's living room with them.
I couldn't  disagree more.  Lost is the last show in the world to get away with 'lazy writing.'   Father issues have been a major theme on LOST since the very beginning.  I would be very surprised and disappointed if the whole 'daddy issues' thing doesn't play a part in the conclusion of the saga.
Yea, for sure they have used some common tricks to get emotional responses but all the story lines seem to be well calculated, so the repeated use of "father issues" or "parent issues" if you include Faraday would seem to be for a reason.

On another issue, I thought it was strange that Clair understood that Lock wasn't Lock, but thought her Dad was her Dad.  We've been thinking all the apparitions have been smokey but maybe Christian is something different.  Will they throw in a 3rd character?  Is Christian the replacement for some dad character and Jacob and fake-Lock are the children?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on February 26, 2010, 08:08:42 PM
  So is that what Jacob has been looking for in his mirror, people damaged by their relationship with their fathers?
Nah, I think that was just kinda lazy writing - daddy issues make for easy drama.  I love the Jorge podcast too.  I feel like I'm hanging out in Jorge's living room with them.
I couldn't  disagree more.  Lost is the last show in the world to get away with 'lazy writing.'   Father issues have been a major theme on LOST since the very beginning.  I would be very surprised and disappointed if the whole 'daddy issues' thing doesn't play a part in the conclusion of the saga.
Yea, for sure they have used some common tricks to get emotional responses but all the story lines seem to be well calculated, so the repeated use of "father issues" or "parent issues" if you include Faraday would seem to be for a reason.

On another issue, I thought it was strange that Clair understood that Lock wasn't Lock, but thought her Dad was her Dad.  We've been thinking all the apparitions have been smokey but maybe Christian is something different.  Will they throw in a 3rd character?  Is Christian the replacement for some dad character and Jacob and fake-Lock are the children?

Maybe whatever is the fake locke can appear to be different things to different people at the same time.   That is why Jin sees locke, Clairs sees someone different, Jack, saw his dad, etc..... or mayh be it is something else.     lol
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on February 27, 2010, 07:26:08 AM
Maybe whatever is the fake locke can appear to be different things to different people at the same time.   That is why Jin sees locke, Clairs sees someone different, Jack, saw his dad, etc..... or mayh be it is something else.     lol

Yeah. All Claire said to jin was "That's not Locke , that's my friend."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on February 27, 2010, 10:08:30 AM
Well it's NOT Locke and maybe she actually knows that. They said he was trapped in John's body now. They said it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on February 27, 2010, 09:38:14 PM
Well, after the last episode I'm leaning toward the fact that Christian is actually alive.  Here are my reasons for this belief:  1.   Sayid came back from the dead and we are told he is infected. I'm not sure if he is corrupted in the way the temple folks think he is (LOST is almost never that predictable).  Why would Jacob tell Hurley to take Sayid to the temple if only to be corrupted by MIB?  Makes no sense.  I do believe there will be something different about him, however.  Anyway, now that they've opened the door on the whole 'coming back from the dead' thing, then why couldn't it have happened to Christian?    2.  They went out of their way in the new episode to remind us yet again that Christian's body was not in his coffin and has not been found. They did that for a reason.  Plus, If he is truly dead, then where did he go?   3.  Island Christian does not exactly act like mainland Christian. This supports the idea that he may have been infected like Sayid and possibly Claire has been (I think it's also possible that Claire was killed and came back infected, since temple guy said the same thing that happened to Sayid happened to her....plus she's acting like she's infected).   4.  As others have said, Claire said that two people told her the others took her baby: Her father and her friend.  We know that her friend is Flocke/MIB. She also seems to be aware of the fact that Flocke is not Locke. So, if Christian is just another form of the MIB, shouldn't CLaire know that? And yet she referred to them as two different people.  Plus, as has already been pointed out, FLocke is apparently stuck in Locke's body. However, I'm not sure about that last one as far as what Claire said. The whole 'stuck in Locke's body thing could have happened after Flocke had last seen Claire. We don't really know exactly what caused that (Locke's death? Jacob's Death?) Although I'm inclined to believe it was Jacob's death because Flocke changed into Ben's daughter not that long ago. 

Anyway it wouldn't surprise me if eventually Jack is going to have to go against his father.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 27, 2010, 11:32:24 PM
Locke saw Christian during the time flashes, and the time they were in was back before the statue was destroyed...  For reference, this was after Locke climbed into the well the flash occurred and he fell and snapped his leg.  Then Christian talked John through the donkey wheel turning.  We know what point in time this was because above ground, when Sawyer was clawing the the dirt to try to dig John out, Miles pointed out that they were WAY before the Orchid was ever built, giving a nod at the giant statue in the distance.

How does that work, if it's actually a living/breathing Christian Shepard?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on February 28, 2010, 08:57:30 AM
Locke saw Christian during the time flashes, and the time they were in was back before the statue was destroyed...  For reference, this was after Locke climbed into the well the flash occurred and he fell and snapped his leg.  Then Christian talked John through the donkey wheel turning.  We know what point in time this was because above ground, when Sawyer was clawing the the dirt to try to dig John out, Miles pointed out that they were WAY before the Orchid was ever built, giving a nod at the giant statue in the distance.

How does that work, if it's actually a living/breathing Christian Shepard?

Maybe he was time flashing with him?   The whole time thing is extremely tricky on LOST.  We know that time travel and alternate realities are going on. We also know that Jacob and Richard are regular people who can be killed and yet they appear to live forever without aging.  If Christian has been brought back to life by MIB than perhaps he has this same ability.  Or it could be fifty other things.............I really don't think that time and reality work the way they should on this island.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 28, 2010, 11:30:31 AM
Sawyer recognized that Lock wasn't Lock, maybe it was the same with Clair?   We still have to see what happened when Clair disappeared, it seems she doesn't remember leaving Aaron with Kate and Sawyer and going off into the jungle...   

There has to be more to Christian than just being imitated by smokey, his body being missing is the only thing consistent between the 2 stories, unless they are just messing with us and the coffin really was simply put on the wrong plane in the non-crash story.

The mirror showed where Jacob touched Sawyer, and where he touched Jin and Sun, but not the hospital where he touched Jack, maybe it was Christian that the mirror was pointing at.  The name Shepard seemed to be written over, could have been something like C Shepard before and changed to include Jack...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on February 28, 2010, 05:00:23 PM
When we saw Christian in Jacob's cabin did the cabin still have the circle of ash around it? That keeps out old smokey. If it did have the ash then that wouldn't be MIB as Christian.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on February 28, 2010, 05:20:45 PM
When we saw Christian in Jacob's cabin did the cabin still have the circle of ash around it? That keeps out old smokey. If it did have the ash then that wouldn't be MIB as Christian.

Yeah, the ash was there the 2nd time that Locke went and Christian claimed to be representing Jacob.

I know at one point where we see the cabin you see that part of the circle wasn't intact (like someone accidently kicked it or walked through it or something).  That was when Ilana, Frank, & the big guy who I can't remember the name of torched the place.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 01, 2010, 02:07:51 AM
Don't really want to see Christian play any major role. There's not much depth to his character. He's there for Jack's backstory, not to have his own. All the major conflict needs to be between the main characters now. Unless they just flat out introduce The Devil... or Chuck Norris.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 01, 2010, 06:21:59 AM
Yeah I'd be fine if the Christian Shepard thing was a loose end.  But I should point out that it is not that the coffin was empty, it had something like rocks in it, presumably to weight it down, leading me to believe that his body was NEVER in the coffin and so his body never came to the island at all.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 01, 2010, 07:41:02 AM
Yeah I'd be fine if the Christian Shepard thing was a loose end.  But I should point out that it is not that the coffin was empty, it had something like rocks in it, presumably to weight it down, leading me to believe that his body was NEVER in the coffin and so his body never came to the island at all.

I don't think they'll leave it as a loose end, and it would be very easy to tie up.  MIB just has to say, "Yeah, that one time when I was Christian Shepherd" (or something like that).

I think that the bottom of the coffin had been smashed open during the crash (revealing the rocks beneath it).
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on March 02, 2010, 07:43:27 PM
Wow.  Violent episode.  It was good as always, but I find myself starting to join the doubters.  I'm always laughing at the folks who think we're going to get a million answers every episode just because it is the last season. LOST has always been obtuse and has always gone it's own pace and done it's own thing. With every answer it creates ten more questions.  I know all this and love the show for it and I don't expect it to be much different in the last season........and yet..........we only have 12 hours of this series left and there are still so many many many many things still left unexplained!  I'm starting to wonder how they could possibly cover enough of it in the time remaining to have a satisfying conclusion to this saga that has mutually entranced and frustrated me these last few years.  In the end I was hoping the frustration would end.  Now I'm scared that the series finale will come and go but the frustration will overtake everything else.  Like the sickness...........................
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 02, 2010, 07:59:51 PM
12 hours is a lot of TV time, I'd say the last 4 hours will be do or die time as far as answers go...  Sides seem to be forming up faster than I was expecting, figured it would take a few more episodes for that to happen.

 How unexpected that what they said about Sayid turned out to be true, he was turned after all. 

 More father son stuff with the baseball story. 

 
 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on March 02, 2010, 08:23:28 PM
12 hours is a lot of TV time, I'd say the last 4 hours will be do or die time as far as answers go...  Sides seem to be forming up faster than I was expecting, figured it would take a few more episodes for that to happen.

 How unexpected that what they said about Sayid turned out to be true, he was turned after all. 

 More father son stuff with the baseball story. 

 
 

I hope you're right about the 'lot of time' thing.  I think, however, of all the things I want answers for.....the black rock, the statue, Richard, Widmore, Alvar Hanso, the chick who grabbed Jacob's ashes, why the hell they kidnapped Walt,  and about a hundred other things. And I didn't even mention the big ones (what is the island, what is MIB and Jacob....).

Anyway,  I'm still not convinced Sayid is evil.  I think there is something different about him, but He may have done all this to get close to MIB and ultimately take him down. Perhaps committing these murders was the only way to save everyone else.  Or perhaps he did this because he believes MIB can bring him Nadia back and the whole possession thing hasn't even happened yet.  Whatever the case is, I'm convinced that there is more to this story....like everything else on this crazy show!   Just add it to the mystery pile. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 02, 2010, 10:15:18 PM
This show makes me giddy with excitement.  That is all.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 02, 2010, 10:22:49 PM
12 hours is a lot of TV time, I'd say the last 4 hours will be do or die time as far as answers go...  Sides seem to be forming up faster than I was expecting, figured it would take a few more episodes for that to happen.

 How unexpected that what they said about Sayid turned out to be true, he was turned after all. 

 More father son stuff with the baseball story. 

 
 

I hope you're right about the 'lot of time' thing.  I think, however, of all the things I want answers for.....the black rock, the statue, Richard, Widmore, Alvar Hanso, the chick who grabbed Jacob's ashes, why the hell they kidnapped Walt,  and about a hundred other things. And I didn't even mention the big ones (what is the island, what is MIB and Jacob....).

Anyway,  I'm still not convinced Sayid is evil.  I think there is something different about him, but He may have done all this to get close to MIB and ultimately take him down. Perhaps committing these murders was the only way to save everyone else.  Or perhaps he did this because he believes MIB can bring him Nadia back and the whole possession thing hasn't even happened yet.  Whatever the case is, I'm convinced that there is more to this story....like everything else on this crazy show!   Just add it to the mystery pile. 

Hanso might be a long shot but who knows, in the other storyline if they ever show how people like Amy and the other darma people that were pregnant or with kids get off the island maybe.  Seeing people like Ethan and Ben in the other storyline needs to be explained.

I think the lure of possibly seeing Nadia again would be irresistible to Sayid.  It was also really creepy the way he was acting when Ben tried to get him to leave.  But that could be because he has been pushed again into hurting people, poor guy, every time he says "he's no longer that guy", events pull him back.

We are going to get Richards story, if the list of upcoming episode titles is correct.  Maybe his story is connected to the black rock.

Walt, yea, they seem to have abandoned that story line, all those hints about him having some kind of power never went anywhere.

I'll be very disappointed if they don't get back to Desmond, Penny, and her dad at some point.  You would think Widmore has to be involved in what's coming up somehow.






Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 02, 2010, 11:27:01 PM
I believe they COULD answer a lot of questions in an episode. It's just that they NEVER DO. So hoping for it seems like a waste of energy at this point. Every time it seems like they're explaining stuff, they're really not.

The great thing is that the Lost fans never have to admit to everyone else that the show never made any sense. We can just be like, "Wow, and I had no idea the smoke monster was the cylinder that the monkey disguised!" They never need to know!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 03, 2010, 08:35:16 AM
The way I see it, they could make it a point to answer all the unanswered questions but it would take a lot of time and energy.  Or they can just write a good story that is interesting and doesn't waste time on answering all the questions.  I'd prefer the latter.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 03, 2010, 10:18:14 AM
The way I see it, they could make it a point to answer all the unanswered questions but it would take a lot of time and energy.  Or they can just write a good story that is interesting and doesn't waste time on answering all the questions.  I'd prefer the latter.

Yes, if answering some of the questions would mess up the flow of the story then I hope they leave those unanswered.  The way they have been building up connections between people it could be that by the end a few answers would have a domino effect answering lots of other questions.   That would be a brave thing to do, not spell out all the answers but leave enough clues to figure them out yourself (and be a great way to boost disc sales  :D ).
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 03, 2010, 10:49:24 AM
I think that Lost has trained us to keep asking questions.  It's a good thing, because that's what we like about the show.  It's also a bad thing because when a question does get answered we start asking questions about the answer that we wouldn't ask with a normal show.  The show has described certain things in such detail, that we expect it with every answer.  Also, some of the questions need to be left unanswered.  "What is the Island?" is very much like "What is the Force?".  We all know that explaining the Force didn't help the Star Wars universe one bit.

In my opinion, questions that need to be answered (and are reasonable to answer):
Why did certain people get pulled to the island? (This wouldn't be a necessary question if not for all the "We have to go back" and "It's your destiny" talk.  The candidate stuff is just a setup to answer this question)
Who are Jacob and MIB?
What's the story behind the Black Rock?
What's Libby's story?
How or why is Desmond special?
Who are Adam and Eve?
How do the two timelines resolve?
After the purge, why did Ben decide to walk back to the Barracks instead of driving?

If these are answered, everything else can be left to the mythos.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 03, 2010, 11:07:05 AM
Also, some of the questions need to be left unanswered.  "What is the Island?" is very much like "What is the Force?".  We all know that explaining the Force didn't help the Star Wars universe one bit.

The first movie explained it as "an energy force created by all living things."  It was over-explaining it that ruined things.  I'd be fine if they just said that the island was a, 'special place with special properties that existed outside of the normal laws of physics'. I don't need a geological history of how it formed or anything like that.

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Why did certain people get pulled to the island? (This wouldn't be a necessary question if not for all the "We have to go back" and "It's your destiny" talk.  The candidate stuff is just a setup to answer this question)

I feel like that got so convoluted (why was Ben so insistent on them going back to the island? He clearly wasn't getting instructions from Jacob).  His insistence that they return was more of a question for me than why they ended up there in the first place.

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What's the story behind the Black Rock?

I don't know that this is all that crucial but I am eagerly looking forward to it.

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How or why is Desmond special?

I'm not all that sure that he is.

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Who are Adam and Eve?

See, this is a question I think they can leave only hints to and let us figure out.

I am wondering if when Fake Locke says to Sayid that he can have what he wants, does he mean that he can hop over to the alter-world and get his babe?  Is he aware of the alternate reality perhaps?  When Fake Locke said that thing last night about getting anything he wanted it reminded me of when Ben said that back in season 2 or 3 about a box with his fondest desire in it (or something like that).
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 03, 2010, 11:18:15 AM
The way I prefer answers are not necessarily "spelled out" but subtle plot narratives that makes us think and say "Ohh so THAT basically connects with THAT and that explains.... A-HA!!!"   I've always had a feeling that was how this show was going to do it, and I think that's basically how it's been going.

Fills enough of the gaps to allow us to figure things out little by little, but it requires a bit of attention and thought.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 03, 2010, 11:31:13 AM
Also, some of the questions need to be left unanswered.  "What is the Island?" is very much like "What is the Force?".  We all know that explaining the Force didn't help the Star Wars universe one bit.
The first movie explained it as "an energy force created by all living things."  It was over-explaining it that ruined things.  I'd be fine if they just said that the island was a, 'special place with special properties that existed outside of the normal laws of physics'. I don't need a geological history of how it formed or anything like that.

Over explaining the force was the least of the many, many things wrong with EP1.

They already have given the "special place" answer.  Best one of that type was the episode with Rose in Australia.  Then there's all the info from Darma.  The question that needs explanation is why Jacob and smokey are on it.

Why did certain people get pulled to the island? (This wouldn't be a necessary question if not for all the "We have to go back" and "It's your destiny" talk.  The candidate stuff is just a setup to answer this question)
Who are Jacob and MIB?

Answering who or what Jacob and Smokey are and what is going on between them will probably answer a lot of why certain people were picked.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: gbeenie on March 03, 2010, 02:19:14 PM
Is anyone else waiting to see the upcoming fight with Kate and Claire (to be referred to henceforth as la Rousseau nouveau)?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 03, 2010, 02:23:53 PM
Is anyone else waiting to see the upcoming fight with Kate and Claire (to be referred to henceforth as la Rousseau nouveau)?

I'm surprised it didn't happen last night.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: gbeenie on March 03, 2010, 02:25:51 PM
Is anyone else waiting to see the upcoming fight with Kate and Claire (to be referred to henceforth as la Rousseau nouveau)?

I'm surprised it didn't happen last night.

Yeah, I kind of expected Claire (to be referred to henceforth as la Rousseau nouveau) jumping Kate to be the end of the episode.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 03, 2010, 02:52:07 PM
Claire (to be referred to henceforth as la Rousseau nouveau)

I've been partial to the term Clairesseau.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on March 03, 2010, 03:53:12 PM
Is anyone else waiting to see the upcoming fight with Kate and Claire (to be referred to henceforth as la Rousseau nouveau)?

Depends upon how much clothing and oil are used......
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on March 03, 2010, 04:10:50 PM
So Claire doesn't know/remember that she disappeared from the group and was hanging out in a shack with her dad?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on March 03, 2010, 04:43:12 PM
So Claire doesn't know/remember that she disappeared from the group and was hanging out in a shack with her dad?

(insert dumb blonde joke here)  :D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 03, 2010, 05:04:08 PM
So Claire doesn't know/remember that she disappeared from the group and was hanging out in a shack with her dad?

(insert dumb blonde joke here)  :D

or Australian joke..
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on March 03, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
So Claire doesn't know/remember that she disappeared from the group and was hanging out in a shack with her dad?

(insert dumb blonde joke here)  :D

or Australian joke..

I have a sudden desire to listen to the Bruces sketch by Monty Python.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 03, 2010, 07:07:27 PM
I've been fond of the name Clousseau.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on March 03, 2010, 11:29:32 PM
This was the baddest assed episode this season!  Holy crap!  Just wow.

Love Evil Sayid.

Here's my current 'teaming up" scorecard:

Team Jacob:
Richard
Illana
Jack
Hurley

Team Evil:
Claire
Sawyer
Sayid

Up for grabs:
Kate, Frank, Miles, Sun, Jinn.

It doesn't matter who these characters are with physically (Kate for instance), just who they are with in their hearts and minds. So far we only have a few on each side fully committed.

Claire might be a possible turncoat at some point because she's been lied to so hardcore. Locke has been pretty honest as far as we know with Sawyer and Sayid but he totally played Claire so that makes her weaker for being on his side.

By the way, out of left field, has it ever come up which of the main Rifftrax writers are fans of Lost?  They have too many specific Lost related riffs they do for none of them to be fans of the show.  At least one of them has to be.  Just curious who it might be.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 04, 2010, 05:18:58 AM
Someone whip up some I'm With.. Team Evil and Team Jacob sigs.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 04, 2010, 09:40:46 AM
Someone whip up some I'm With.. Team Evil and Team Jacob sigs.

I think the evil guy's name is Edward.... so we should have "Team Edward" and "Team Jacob"
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on March 04, 2010, 09:44:18 AM
Someone whip up some I'm With.. Team Evil and Team Jacob sigs.

I think the evil guy's name is Edward.... so we should have "Team Edward" and "Team Jacob"

STOP it right there Twilight lover....... go peddle your wares elsewhere.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 04, 2010, 09:45:47 AM
Someone whip up some I'm With.. Team Evil and Team Jacob sigs.

I think the evil guy's name is Edward.... so we should have "Team Edward" and "Team Jacob"

Or just use Team Smocke
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 04, 2010, 05:54:40 PM
How do the two timelines resolve?

My theory is that the side-timeline is taking place after the series ends. Who is gonna watch the series after the give all of the answers that they are gonna give and everyone is off the island? (particularly if people don't like the answers they do give)

EvilLocke offered to give Sayid Nadia back - I think that entire time line is the post-script to the series, we're seeing flashforwards again.

Locke is gonna change shit so that their lives are different, they never went to the island and in fact sink the island before they could go there.




...Maybe.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 04, 2010, 09:31:45 PM
How do the two timelines resolve?

My theory is that the side-timeline is taking place after the series ends. Who is gonna watch the series after the give all of the answers that they are gonna give and everyone is off the island? (particularly if people don't like the answers they do give)

EvilLocke offered to give Sayid Nadia back - I think that entire time line is the post-script to the series, we're seeing flashforwards again.

Locke is gonna change shit so that their lives are different, they never went to the island and in fact sink the island before they could go there.


...Maybe.

That's exactly my thoughts.  Instead of trying to devote a few whole episodes to just how things work out after whatever sinks the island, they are showing us thru these flashes.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 05, 2010, 10:41:52 AM
How do the two timelines resolve?

My theory is that the side-timeline is taking place after the series ends. Who is gonna watch the series after the give all of the answers that they are gonna give and everyone is off the island? (particularly if people don't like the answers they do give)

EvilLocke offered to give Sayid Nadia back - I think that entire time line is the post-script to the series, we're seeing flashforwards again.

Locke is gonna change shit so that their lives are different, they never went to the island and in fact sink the island before they could go there.


...Maybe.

That's exactly my thoughts.  Instead of trying to devote a few whole episodes to just how things work out after whatever sinks the island, they are showing us thru these flashes.

I agree on the timing but not the cause, I think they are showing us what happens after the battle on the island is over, but I doubt it's smokey or Jacob fulfilling any promises.  What we are seeing is the result of the island being sunk and the crash never happening.   The battle on the island will travel into the past and be the cause of the island sinking, once sunk we get all the ripple effects of the crash never happening (no Sawyer killing the others that were threatening Amy, no Faraday telling the others to bury the bomb, etc...). 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 05, 2010, 02:30:09 PM
How do the two timelines resolve?

My theory is that the side-timeline is taking place after the series ends. Who is gonna watch the series after the give all of the answers that they are gonna give and everyone is off the island? (particularly if people don't like the answers they do give)

EvilLocke offered to give Sayid Nadia back - I think that entire time line is the post-script to the series, we're seeing flashforwards again.

Locke is gonna change shit so that their lives are different, they never went to the island and in fact sink the island before they could go there.


...Maybe.

That's exactly my thoughts.  Instead of trying to devote a few whole episodes to just how things work out after whatever sinks the island, they are showing us thru these flashes.

I agree on the timing but not the cause, I think they are showing us what happens after the battle on the island is over, but I doubt it's smokey or Jacob fulfilling any promises.  What we are seeing is the result of the island being sunk and the crash never happening.   The battle on the island will travel into the past and be the cause of the island sinking, once sunk we get all the ripple effects of the crash never happening (no Sawyer killing the others that were threatening Amy, no Faraday telling the others to bury the bomb, etc...). 

Yeah, you could be right, I am more confident in the side story actually being a future story than the how it happens.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 05, 2010, 04:02:16 PM
How do the two timelines resolve?

My theory is that the side-timeline is taking place after the series ends. Who is gonna watch the series after the give all of the answers that they are gonna give and everyone is off the island? (particularly if people don't like the answers they do give)

EvilLocke offered to give Sayid Nadia back - I think that entire time line is the post-script to the series, we're seeing flashforwards again.

Locke is gonna change shit so that their lives are different, they never went to the island and in fact sink the island before they could go there.


...Maybe.

That's exactly my thoughts.  Instead of trying to devote a few whole episodes to just how things work out after whatever sinks the island, they are showing us thru these flashes.

I agree on the timing but not the cause, I think they are showing us what happens after the battle on the island is over, but I doubt it's smokey or Jacob fulfilling any promises.  What we are seeing is the result of the island being sunk and the crash never happening.   The battle on the island will travel into the past and be the cause of the island sinking, once sunk we get all the ripple effects of the crash never happening (no Sawyer killing the others that were threatening Amy, no Faraday telling the others to bury the bomb, etc...). 

Yeah, you could be right, I am more confident in the side story actually being a future story than the how it happens.

With all the time travel, what's future and what's past are not all that clear.  We've got different stories overlapping on the same dates, which one is the result of what events is till up in the air.  If the non-crash story is what happens as a result of the battle it is sort of a future story, that happens to take place in the past.  ;D  I suppose they could end up having the non-crash story somehow be the cause of everything that happened on the island, have that story be the root of all the connections between people, I'm just not sure there is enough story time left to do that (do it well that is). 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on March 06, 2010, 01:54:09 PM
Someone whip up some I'm With.. Team Evil and Team Jacob sigs.

Whipped. Here are couple banners for folks who want to show their LOST colors.

Personally, I haven't chosen sides just yet.

(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2189/teamjacob.jpg)

(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7831/teamsmocke.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 06, 2010, 04:33:38 PM
Someone whip up some I'm With.. Team Evil and Team Jacob sigs.

Whipped. Here are couple banners for folks who want to show their LOST colors.

Personally, I haven't chosen sides just yet.

(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2189/teamjacob.jpg)

(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7831/teamsmocke.jpg)

Those are great!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 07, 2010, 02:45:47 AM
The Black Rock can well be ignored, as it was never central to the plot, and can be chalked up as simply a pirate ship/slave ship that wrecked on an uncharted island.

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Over explaining the force was the least of the many, many things wrong with EP1.
The least, yes. I guess most people are just too dumb to absorb any information more complicated than "it's magic," which is why the original trilogy works. For the record, they NEVER "explained" The Force. They just explained how to measure one's ability, thus clarifying Vader's observation that, "The Force is strong with this one." They never said what "it" actually is, or the address of the guy who invented it. It's still just the living force that binds everything in the universe. All they did was explain JEDI ABILITIES, just short of why they only run at superspeed once every twelve years.

(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7831/teamsmocke.jpg)
How come Locke looks like he went through X3's de-Patrick-Stewartification process?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on March 07, 2010, 09:24:05 AM
Those banners are AWESOME, bro!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on March 07, 2010, 09:50:32 AM
Great banners!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 07, 2010, 12:43:08 PM
The Black Rock can well be ignored, as it was never central to the plot, and can be chalked up as simply a pirate ship/slave ship that wrecked on an uncharted island.

What I don't think can exactly be ignored about the Black Rock is how the hell it ended up in the very MIDDLE of the island.  That can't just be chalked up as simply a pirate ship/slave ship that wrecked on an uncharted island.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on March 07, 2010, 01:05:02 PM
Just more proof that Jacob is a badass.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on March 07, 2010, 06:47:20 PM
The Black Rock can well be ignored, as it was never central to the plot, and can be chalked up as simply a pirate ship/slave ship that wrecked on an uncharted island.

What I don't think can exactly be ignored about the Black Rock is how the hell it ended up in the very MIDDLE of the island.  That can't just be chalked up as simply a pirate ship/slave ship that wrecked on an uncharted island.



Yeah, plus Darlton said that the Black Rock will be dealt with this season.  If I were a betting man, I would take odds that the Black Rock will play a role in how the saga ends.  First of all, we know that Jacob brought the ship to the island. He must have had a reason.  Secondly, Unlocke says to Richard, 'It's nice to see you out of chains.'  Some think that this is a clue that Richard was a slave on the Black Rock ship.  Third, On the blast door map, it says 'known final resting place of Magnus Hanso/Black Rock.'  Alvar Hanso is supposedly the man who brought the Dharma Initiative to the island.  If the black rock is going to be mentioned before series end, then perhaps Hanso will as well.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 07, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
Seems like a copout to make something from one episode have a crucial role in the overall story and series finale. Why not have the polar bear swoop down on a hoverboard and tell everybody that he's God and he's here to save them and sorry about the whole smoke monster business?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on March 08, 2010, 04:11:58 AM
Seems like a copout to make something from one episode have a crucial role in the overall story and series finale. Why not have the polar bear swoop down on a hoverboard and tell everybody that he's God and he's here to save them and sorry about the whole smoke monster business?

The Black Rock has been in more than one episode.  We first saw it in season one.  Then, in season three, Sawyer killed Locke's father there. Then, in last season's finale, we saw it arriving at the island.  Not to mention the numerous times it's been mentioned, in addition to it's mention on the blast door map.  Widmore bought a journal of the first mate of the Black Rock back in season three during a Desmond episode. Not to mention all the theories that the others are connected to the ship in some way.   I think the Black Rock is an established piece in the LOST mythology and it is perfectly legitimate to work it in to the conclusion of the story.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on March 08, 2010, 05:52:54 AM
I would laugh so hard if that happened.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 08, 2010, 08:21:36 AM
One thing I recently thought of:

How do we know Black Rock is a slave ship? It could have been a prison ship given the diversity of the people it transported. If it was an 1600-1800s slave ship, wouldn't they mostly be African slaves and not white/middle eastern and asian like Richard and Hanso? my guess was they were criminals being transported to somewhere like Australia (a former prison colony) and crashed on the island.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 08, 2010, 09:02:12 AM
I think that we will have an actual Richard flashback episode this season that will explain the Black Rock.

I'm guessing that Richard (Riccardo) was a Spanish slave trader, and that the ship had a mutiny.  This would explain why they were off course, and why Richard was in chains. 

Although, we could be wrong about the slave ship business.  The only thing canon that points to slavery is that Jack and Kate found skeletal remains shackled inside the ship.  They may or may not be slaves.  The remainder of the "slave" talk has come from the online Lost games.  In the "Constant", they say that it was on a trading mission from England to Siam, and that Hanso's journal was found among pirate possessions.....so maybe Riccardo is a Spanish pirate?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 08, 2010, 10:23:43 AM
His name was "Ricardus" not Ricardo which is much more Latin/Roman sounding than Spanish.  Just a note.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 08, 2010, 10:31:38 AM
His name was "Ricardus" not Ricardo which is much more Latin/Roman sounding than Spanish.  Just a note.

Wow.  You're right.  I feel dumb.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 08, 2010, 11:47:55 AM
His name was "Ricardus" not Ricardo which is much more Latin/Roman sounding than Spanish.  Just a note.

That's what's a bit confusing, his name seems to be Roman, and with all the Egyptian symbols around it always made me think his story is way older than the black rock. 

His episode is coming up soon.   I wonder just how much we will find out about who/what he is.

Not really a spoiler but in case you want to be surprised by the show title:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 08, 2010, 12:44:14 PM
His name was "Ricardus" not Ricardo which is much more Latin/Roman sounding than Spanish.  Just a note.

That's what's a bit confusing, his name seems to be Roman, and with all the Egyptian symbols around it always made me think his story is way older than the black rock. 

His episode is coming up soon.   I wonder just how much we will find out about who/what he is.

Not really a spoiler but in case you want to be surprised by the show title:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What was the name of the episode previously?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 08, 2010, 02:50:56 PM
His name was "Ricardus" not Ricardo which is much more Latin/Roman sounding than Spanish.  Just a note.

That's what's a bit confusing, his name seems to be Roman, and with all the Egyptian symbols around it always made me think his story is way older than the black rock. 

His episode is coming up soon.   I wonder just how much we will find out about who/what he is.

Not really a spoiler but in case you want to be surprised by the show title:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What was the name of the episode previously?

When I looked a several weeks ago they had the title of episode 9 as what looked like Richards name in Latin, the first word was Richardus but I can't remember the second word, I guess once they finished editing the episode the new title must have been a better fit...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on March 08, 2010, 09:31:37 PM
I always took that chains remark to Richard to mean all these decades Richard has been in service to Jacob.  From a certain point of view, that would seem like endless slavery.

I have a bad feeling Ben's going to die on island tonight.  No spoilers or anything, just a bad feeling.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 08, 2010, 10:45:28 PM
I always took that chains remark to Richard to mean all these decades Richard has been in service to Jacob.  From a certain point of view, that would seem like endless slavery.

I have a bad feeling Ben's going to die on island tonight.  No spoilers or anything, just a bad feeling.

The chains comment had such a strong reaction from Richard, I think we'll see him in real chains at some point.

Ben's a slippery one, he always seems to find a way out, I can't imagine him not being involved at the final battle.  But it's probably about time to start cutting and/or wrapping up some characters story lines.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 09, 2010, 07:56:50 AM
I always took that chains remark to Richard to mean all these decades Richard has been in service to Jacob.  From a certain point of view, that would seem like endless slavery.

I have a bad feeling Ben's going to die on island tonight.  No spoilers or anything, just a bad feeling.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 09, 2010, 05:45:16 PM
watching the repeat right now. Is it me or did Keamey channel a lot of Christopher Walken for his scene?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mrbasehart on March 09, 2010, 06:16:32 PM
I always took that chains remark to Richard to mean all these decades Richard has been in service to Jacob.  From a certain point of view, that would seem like endless slavery.

I have a bad feeling Ben's going to die on island tonight.  No spoilers or anything, just a bad feeling.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Well...It might not be the end for "our" Ben...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 09, 2010, 07:06:44 PM
So much for
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on March 09, 2010, 07:13:45 PM
watching the repeat right now. Is it me or did Keamey channel a lot of Christopher Walken for his scene?

One can never have too much Walken!

Yeah, I was thinking that too...... but that is not a bad thing.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 09, 2010, 08:32:29 PM
Interesting teaser for Richards episode coming up.

So, none of the people Jacob touched can die?  Or they just can't kill themselves?  Or just Richard...  Weird...

But Jacob touched Lock, didn't he?  Maybe the immortal thing only works on the island?  Maybe the touch is a different "gift" for each person?

Also, if Jacob kept thinking right up to the end that maybe he was wrong about Ben, it follows that he knew all along Ben was going to kill him.

First mention of Darma in the alternate storyline, weird to see Ben's dad.   Wonder how Alex ended up in LA?

I wonder which side Widmore will be on?

Once again some hints at answers and a boatload of new questions.


Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on March 09, 2010, 08:56:23 PM
So, none of the people Jacob touched can die?  Or they just can't kill themselves?  Or just Richard...  Weird...

But Jacob touched Lock, didn't he?  Maybe the immortal thing only works on the island?  Maybe the touch is a different "gift" for each person?

Richard says he can't kill himself which is why he wanted Jack to light the fuse. Locke didn't kill himself, Ben killed him. There have been a couple of previous suicide attempts by other "candidates". Michael tried to kill himself and he wasn't allowed to. Jack was gonna jump off that bridge but then
that accident happens.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 09, 2010, 09:17:13 PM
So, none of the people Jacob touched can die?  Or they just can't kill themselves?  Or just Richard...  Weird...

But Jacob touched Lock, didn't he?  Maybe the immortal thing only works on the island?  Maybe the touch is a different "gift" for each person?

Richard says he can't kill himself which is why he wanted Jack to light the fuse. Locke didn't kill himself, Ben killed him. There have been a couple of previous suicide attempts by other "candidates". Michael tried to kill himself and he wasn't allowed to. Jack was gonna jump off that bridge but then
that accident happens.

I forgot about Jack on the bridge, so you don't age and can't kill yourself, but can be murdered?  That's some pretty specific immortality there.   :)

Must be part of the rules of the game....

Interesting that there's still someone or something that has to "choose" Jacobs' replacement, and then explain the job...


Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 09, 2010, 10:49:31 PM
Nice reference to Nikki and Paulo. 

Can I just say that I loved the Nikki and Paulo episode?  I always thought their sudden appearance was hilarious, and Sawyer wondering who they were was even better.  I'm a big fan of the literary references in the show, and this was right up my alley.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on March 10, 2010, 09:02:43 AM
I forgot about Jack on the bridge, so you don't age and can't kill yourself, but can be murdered?  That's some pretty specific immortality there.   :)

I'd take it!  I mean, all you have to do is not let anybody murder you?  So you just have to not blast Vanilla Ice in public, not beat a Wookie at chess, and not tell your date's father "$20 says I nail her tonight" when you show up at her house to pick her up.  I can handle that!

Nice reference to Nikki and Paulo. 

Can I just say that I loved the Nikki and Paulo episode?  I always thought their sudden appearance was hilarious, and Sawyer wondering who they were was even better.  I'm a big fan of the literary references in the show, and this was right up my alley.

I like them too and Kylie Sanchez is SMOKING HAWT so the show runners were gay to listen to the fan hate and kill them off.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 10, 2010, 09:05:48 AM
Damn if only he had touched Charlie. 

Well, I don't think that we should read into this that everyone he touches is immortal.  I thought Richard made a point of saying that his was  a special case.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 10, 2010, 11:32:07 AM
So much for finding out about Richard's backstory.
Personally I don't care to see Ben's redemption story.  I still hate the twerp.

There's a Richard episode coming up in a few weeks...  I never expected to find out ANY of his backstory in a Ben-centric episode, so I was pleasantly surprised we got ANY of that.

As for the Ben story in his episode, I liked it...  and I LOVED seeing Alex alive and looking all cute.  I want me an Alex.  :D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 10, 2010, 12:11:01 PM
I really liked this episode.  I'm a big fan of the redemption stories.  It was also great to see Alex, but I too wonder what Rousseau is doing in LA (also, if she's 15, why is she so worried about getting in to Yale).  I was also surprised by how little Locke was in this episode.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 10, 2010, 01:35:01 PM
I really liked this episode.  I'm a big fan of the redemption stories.  It was also great to see Alex, but I too wonder what Rousseau is doing in LA (also, if she's 15, why is she so worried about getting in to Yale).  I was also surprised by how little Locke was in this episode.

Mmmm... Alex...  **drool**
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on March 17, 2010, 03:42:46 AM
Well, last night's episode wasn't bad.............but it certainly lacked the emotional power of the last couple of weeks.....especially the incredible 'Dr. Linus' episode.....In the sideways world Sawyer chose cop over con man and now on the island he has embraced his 'con man' self once again........we learned that Widmore is apparently on team Jacob.......funny how Sawyer reverting back to his old con man self was the most normal thing for Kate to relate to, considering how Sayid, Claire, and Locke are not exactly acting like the people she remembered. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on March 17, 2010, 06:09:24 AM
Next week's looks like it'll be good.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 17, 2010, 06:16:03 AM
Sign me up for the Miles/Sawyer spin-off cop show!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 17, 2010, 08:05:12 AM
Where was Ana Lucia?  I was also surprised we didn't see Juliette in the flash sideways.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 17, 2010, 09:20:50 AM
Last night's felt like a setup episode, putting things in place for the future, or the past, or what ever time it is going to be.... ;D

Only interesting bit of new info was smokey had a crazy mom, another broken parent-child relationship.

I wonder if the con man James is looking for in the other storyline is still Lock's dad or someone else?  It seems everyone touched by the island has made different choices in the other storyline, wonder if it's the same for Lock's dad?

Next weeks show looks to be a great one.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 17, 2010, 10:03:48 AM
I really don't get what's going on anymore. Jacob touching Sawyer was the only thing that made him become a con man? Because that's the only thing that would have been any different in the alternate timeline. That or interaction with Dharma. Why did all these people end up on the same plane if they weren't guided there by Jacob? I thought that was the whole point. Sawyer ended up on the plane even though his entire life was completely different. It's just too convenient. They can't tell us one thing and show us another.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 17, 2010, 10:08:22 AM
I really don't get what's going on anymore. Jacob touching Sawyer was the only thing that made him become a con man? Because that's the only thing that would have been any different in the alternate timeline. That or interaction with Dharma. Why did all these people end up on the same plane if they weren't guided there by Jacob? I thought that was the whole point. Sawyer ended up on the plane even though his entire life was completely different. It's just too convenient. They can't tell us one thing and show us another.

Sawyer has been investigating the case since he joined the force. He got a lead and checked it out. Probably tracked down the guy, investigated him, learned he is innocent, and left. Not too much of a stretch.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 17, 2010, 10:15:49 AM
I wonder if the con man James is looking for in the other storyline is still Lock's dad or someone else?  It seems everyone touched by the island has made different choices in the other storyline, wonder if it's the same for Lock's dad?

I don't recall the exact timing, but Anthony Cooper would have conned Sawyer's mom in 1977 either before the Incident or very soon after.  Therefore, it should have still been the same Anthony Cooper doing the same thing.

I really don't get what's going on anymore. Jacob touching Sawyer was the only thing that made him become a con man? Because that's the only thing that would have been any different in the alternate timeline. That or interaction with Dharma. Why did all these people end up on the same plane if they weren't guided there by Jacob? I thought that was the whole point. Sawyer ended up on the plane even though his entire life was completely different. It's just too convenient. They can't tell us one thing and show us another.

The touch from Jacob isn't necessarily the only difference in the alternate timeline.  There may have been a ton of influence from Jacob in the original timeline that we just never saw.  As far as them all on 815 in the alt timeline, I don't think that fate was destroyed just because the island sank.  I think it's actually quite the opposite.  I think that "fate" is going in to overdrive trying to course correct and make the alternate timeline become the same as the original timeline.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 17, 2010, 10:19:48 AM
Don't give me that "fate" crap. We'll be here all night.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 17, 2010, 10:20:41 AM
Don't give me that "fate" crap. We'll be here all night.

you got somewhere better to be?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 17, 2010, 10:21:20 AM
Don't give me that "fate" crap. We'll be here all night.

If you don't like discussions about fate, I think you're watching the wrong show.

This goes back to the Season 3 episode with Desmond.  Eloise told him that even though he tried to change the future, fate would make a course correction.  Even though he tried to save Charlie, he would just end up dying some other way.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: tgeorgic on March 17, 2010, 10:25:40 AM
I wonder if the con man James is looking for in the other storyline is still Lock's dad or someone else?  It seems everyone touched by the island has made different choices in the other storyline, wonder if it's the same for Lock's dad?

I don't recall the exact timing, but Anthony Cooper would have conned Sawyer's mom in 1977 either before the Incident or very soon after.  Therefore, it should have still been the same Anthony Cooper doing the same thing.

I really don't get what's going on anymore. Jacob touching Sawyer was the only thing that made him become a con man? Because that's the only thing that would have been any different in the alternate timeline. That or interaction with Dharma. Why did all these people end up on the same plane if they weren't guided there by Jacob? I thought that was the whole point. Sawyer ended up on the plane even though his entire life was completely different. It's just too convenient. They can't tell us one thing and show us another.

The touch from Jacob isn't necessarily the only difference in the alternate timeline.  There may have been a ton of influence from Jacob in the original timeline that we just never saw.  As far as them all on 815 in the alt timeline, I don't think that fate was destroyed just because the island sank.  I think it's actually quite the opposite.  I think that "fate" is going in to overdrive trying to course correct and make the alternate timeline become the same as the original timeline.

jacob also gave young james a pen so he could finish his letter which is what he was obsessed with his whole life.  that seems to be the big change to me and would end up with him making many different choices.  i was disapointed that he is still planning on killing cooper but i guess its becuase he couldnt ever charge him with anything in that incident.  


Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 17, 2010, 10:27:21 AM
(http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1854;type=avatar)

Cool avatar.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: tgeorgic on March 17, 2010, 10:33:16 AM
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Cool avatar.

thanks, i originally got the idea back when the season 3 dvds came out and one of the special features was behind the scenes on the making of the computer game.  they had the dharma logo with a joystick and i thought that was a great idea that you could combine with anything like that and of course merged two of my favorites together in one icon.  of course, in seasons after 3 they seemed to have decided the same thing and made new dharma logos for everything rather than just for the station associated with the item.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 17, 2010, 10:36:16 AM
I was trying to figure out just why Charlotte was in Sawyer's flash...   But after reading a recap pointing this out, it kinda makes sense.  Miles said that Charlotte worked with his dad (Pierre Chang)....  and since Dharma had existed on the island at some point (as we learned from Dr. Linus), it would only make sense that Miles' parents knew Charlotte's parents from there.

Also, Miles said he has a girlfriend.  I also think Ana Lucia like some other people do.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 17, 2010, 10:42:11 AM
I was trying to figure out just why Charlotte was in Sawyer's flash...   But after reading a recap pointing this out, it kinda makes sense.  Miles said that Charlotte worked with his dad (Pierre Chang)....  and since Dharma had existed on the island at some point (as we learned from Dr. Linus), it would only make sense that Miles' parents knew Charlotte's parents from there.

Also, Miles said he has a girlfriend.  I also think Ana Lucia like some other people do.

I was wondering if his dad was Dr Chang or someone else (like a step dad).  In the alt timeline, wouldn't Dr Chang have been blowed up by the bomb?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on March 17, 2010, 11:20:06 AM
This just keeps getting better IMO.

I think the actors are doing an excellent job with the subtle (and not-so-subtle) character changes both on the island and in the alternate stories.

And for some reason, Kate annoys me far less than in past seasons. I don't know if it's because she's changed her style a little bit or if it's because she just hasn't had a ton of screen time. Either way, it's a welcome change because she really used to bug the hell out of me sometimes.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 17, 2010, 11:42:43 AM
I was trying to figure out just why Charlotte was in Sawyer's flash...   But after reading a recap pointing this out, it kinda makes sense.  Miles said that Charlotte worked with his dad (Pierre Chang)....  and since Dharma had existed on the island at some point (as we learned from Dr. Linus), it would only make sense that Miles' parents knew Charlotte's parents from there.

Also, Miles said he has a girlfriend.  I also think Ana Lucia like some other people do.

I was wondering if his dad was Dr Chang or someone else (like a step dad).  In the alt timeline, wouldn't Dr Chang have been blowed up by the bomb?

Things had to change long before the bomb, so anything is possible.  We now have Ben and his dad, Ethan+?, Charlotte+?, and possibly all of the Changs leaving the island and having different lives than they did before.   I'm thinking we can forget about the bomb, it was just a device to give us another time jump and get everyone together at the same time for the end game.

I still think the side story is the result of a reset, how people's lives turn out with no Jacob and no time travel into the past.  If the side timeline is the original that will be altered to give us the "crash on the island" story then they better get moving, not a lot of episodes left to get that to happen.

If the island is some kind of prison for smokey, maybe the reset will be fixing his parents in the past so there's no need for him or Jacob to ever be on the island, that would cause changes far back in history.  With all the redemption themes going on, the redemption of smokey would be the ultimate one to do.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: hootyhaha on March 17, 2010, 12:13:26 PM
They'll all be drawn back to the island in the end. 
The island is still there, so is the Dharma Initiative.  And since the plane never crashed (in the parallel universe) that means Jacob and the Smoke Monster are still there. 
So in the parallel universe, they'll all be taken back to the island eventually.  Because in that universe Jacob still knows them.  The only thing that's different is that the plane landed.  But everything that happened before the plane crash, still happened like Jacob touching them all.

Think of Doc Browns diagram of time on the chalk board when he was explaining it to Marty.

I really don't get what's going on anymore. Jacob touching Sawyer was the only thing that made him become a con man? Because that's the only thing that would have been any different in the alternate timeline. That or interaction with Dharma. Why did all these people end up on the same plane if they weren't guided there by Jacob? I thought that was the whole point. Sawyer ended up on the plane even though his entire life was completely different. It's just too convenient. They can't tell us one thing and show us another.

They only showed you the jobs that Sawyer was working.  They never really showed you anything else of his background or why he was working his way through the people he was working.  He could have still be a cop back then in the early seasons.  It just never showed you that part.   But they did a good job of explaining what was going on and why he became a cop in the previous ep 3/16/10.  You have to remember this whole show starter out with TONS of questions that were never answered.  And now they're getting answered and cleared up. So when they do get answered and cleared up you can't say, "Well that's just too convenient."  It would be like finally understanding algebra and saying, "Well that's just too convenient, I don't accept that."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 17, 2010, 01:36:40 PM
So in the parallel universe, they'll all be taken back to the island eventually.  Because in that universe Jacob still knows them.  The only thing that's different is that the plane landed.  But everything that happened before the plane crash, still happened like Jacob touching them all.

If everything was the same except for the crash, then how do you explain all the people that left Darma when they didn't in the other timeline?  Ben and Ethan were on the island at the time of the crash, not living in LA, Charlotte would be with Faraday instead of going on dates in LA.  Maybe they could have hid the fact that Jack had a son but I don't think so.  In the other story the past has been radically changed well into the past.

Think about it, without the plane crash there's no group of time travelers, so there's no way everything that happened before the crash could be the same.

The 2 options are that the non-crash timeline leads to some event that alters the past and leads to the crash timeline, or the non-crash timeline is the result of the people from the crash timeline resetting the past.  Given the number of episodes left the second one seems more likely, all the connections are there in both timelines because of all the overlapping time travel. 

Of course the producers could go back on their comments that everything is real and pull a St. Elsewhere on us.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 17, 2010, 01:42:09 PM
Of course the producers could go back on their comments that everything is real and pull a St. Elsewhere on us.

I'm betting that it all took place in Frogurt's head.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 17, 2010, 02:47:02 PM
They'll all be drawn back to the island in the end. 
The island is still there, so is the Dharma Initiative. 

Is it? I thought we saw the island underwater at the start of this season?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on March 17, 2010, 07:19:22 PM
I was wondering if his dad was Dr Chang or someone else (like a step dad).  In the alt timeline, wouldn't Dr Chang have been blowed up by the bomb?

They made a point of showing Miles' name placard on his desk said Straume.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 17, 2010, 09:13:42 PM
Things had to change long before the bomb, so anything is possible.  We now have Ben and his dad, Ethan+?, Charlotte+?, and possibly all of the Changs leaving the island and having different lives than they did before.   

Well they either left or survived the island blowing up somehow.  Remember that the change occurred when the Losties started gunning for the Swan hatch.  An alert may have automatically triggered an evacuation of the island back at Dharmaville and most of the people there could have been on subs or boats then.   

I am going on the assumption that the change occured in '77 with the bomb and everything leading up to that was the same in both timelines.  Unless we are told otherwise, this is what we have been led to believe.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 18, 2010, 12:19:45 AM
Things had to change long before the bomb, so anything is possible.  We now have Ben and his dad, Ethan+?, Charlotte+?, and possibly all of the Changs leaving the island and having different lives than they did before.   

Well they either left or survived the island blowing up somehow.  Remember that the change occurred when the Losties started gunning for the Swan hatch.  An alert may have automatically triggered an evacuation of the island back at Dharmaville and most of the people there could have been on subs or boats then.   

I am going on the assumption that the change occured in '77 with the bomb and everything leading up to that was the same in both timelines.  Unless we are told otherwise, this is what we have been led to believe.

The paradox is, if the bomb changed the timeline so there was no flight 815 crash, there are no losties to go into the past and be gunning for the swan and set off the bomb, so then we have the crash back...  That makes me think the bomb is a red herring, it's only effect was to cause a time jump, the change that caused the alternate timeline is something that happens in the conflict coming up. 

I guess if they show Ben with a bullet wound in the other timeline then we would know, but I don't see how you could have Ben with the others being healed and at the same time being evacuated before the bomb goes off.   I guess if the bomb only did a little damage, causing a radiation hazard that prompted an evacuation somehow Ben could have been sent back to his dad by the others after being healed in the temple (doesn't sound like something they would do)...   But from what his dad said it didn't seem like they were forced off, he was talking like they could have stayed if they wanted to.   

It is going to be interesting to see how they resolve all the time travel paradoxes they have set up, I'm sure there will be some lose ends that will not be resolved, there usually are when time travel is part of a story.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 18, 2010, 06:01:25 AM
Things had to change long before the bomb, so anything is possible.  We now have Ben and his dad, Ethan+?, Charlotte+?, and possibly all of the Changs leaving the island and having different lives than they did before.   

Well they either left or survived the island blowing up somehow.  Remember that the change occurred when the Losties started gunning for the Swan hatch.  An alert may have automatically triggered an evacuation of the island back at Dharmaville and most of the people there could have been on subs or boats then.   

I am going on the assumption that the change occured in '77 with the bomb and everything leading up to that was the same in both timelines.  Unless we are told otherwise, this is what we have been led to believe.

The paradox is, if the bomb changed the timeline so there was no flight 815 crash, there are no losties to go into the past and be gunning for the swan and set off the bomb, so then we have the crash back...  That makes me think the bomb is a red herring, it's only effect was to cause a time jump, the change that caused the alternate timeline is something that happens in the conflict coming up. 

I guess if they show Ben with a bullet wound in the other timeline then we would know, but I don't see how you could have Ben with the others being healed and at the same time being evacuated before the bomb goes off.   I guess if the bomb only did a little damage, causing a radiation hazard that prompted an evacuation somehow Ben could have been sent back to his dad by the others after being healed in the temple (doesn't sound like something they would do)...   But from what his dad said it didn't seem like they were forced off, he was talking like they could have stayed if they wanted to.  

It is going to be interesting to see how they resolve all the time travel paradoxes they have set up, I'm sure there will be some lose ends that will not be resolved, there usually are when time travel is part of a story.

here are two post i made on the subject on another board about the same thing:

well it is and is not real. Think of it along the lines of DC Infinite Earths. Every decision we make, another version of us makes a different choice. This results in an infinite number of alternate realities. Some have huge differences like Hitler wins WWII, to ones so minute you'd be hard pressed to find the difference.

I will discuss it along the lines of universe A (815 crash) and Universe B (lands safely).

Ok everything up to the bomb in Universe A and B is the same. Universe A Jack and Co influence Dharma in both universes. Ben is shot and healed. He returns to his father. He is not under the murderous influence of the Others once bomb goes off. Bomb goes off.

In Universe A Jack, Kate, Sawyer, etc are thrown through time to the present and Island still exists. And continues on as we are shown. Smocke has Jacob killed, Dogen dies, Lennon dies, Temple Others die, etc.

In Universe B, the Universe A 70s Losties are killed, Island sinks and Dharma evacuates. Ben and his dad make it off and start a new life. Ben's dad realized he loves his son and changes to a better father. Since there is no island anymore, the Losties never have the influence of the island.

This means: Sayid knew Omer was a better man for Nadia and sacrifices his happiness till he can be a better man for her, Hugo is not cursed by the numbers but is Blessed, Ben earns a doctorate in history, Locke learns to accept his condition and becomes a teacher, Jack has a son, etc. This also means Juliet still lives in this world.

To Universe A, Universe B doesn't exist. To Universe B, A doesn't exist after the 70s.

and

essentially it is the same as with Back to the future. Marty goes back and causes his parents not to meet. if he did that, then he'd never be born and there fore couldn't go back in time. and thus would exist again. It is a bit of a paradox.

In part 2 Biff takes the Sports Almanac back to his young self and changes history. The world changed around him. But if that idealistic future ceases to exist and Biff dies before he can take the book back to his young self then how could young biff get the book? Again it is a paradox. Once the book was given to him, it created an alternate timeline that, as Doc Brown explained, created the alternate timeline. Once they went back and stole back the book, the alternate time line was canceled.

Basically once a timeline has been altered, it is changed for good. it get's around the paradox problem. Once you change it, to get back the original line, you have to correct it somehow.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 18, 2010, 06:19:58 AM
So basically it is like as follows:

Universe A, Flight 815 crashes on the Island and eventually some end up in 1977. This is true in both Universe A and B. The losties from 815 on the island manage to set off the bomb. This splits realities. in other words it creates a parallel universe ad mentioned with the DC comics Crisis on infinite Earths. according to that there are an infinite number of universe. For every decision made somewhere a different one is taken. Like with Sliders, maybe one universe the Nazis win WWII or something.

But with this you want to think back to Doc Brown's explanation of time travel in Back to the Future II. When we first see Hill Valley in the 80s it is idealic. The future is also fairly utopia like. But old Biff manages to take the book back to the 50s and give it to his young self. As he get's out in the future it looks like he is dieing or having a heart attack. When Marty and Doc arrive back in the 80s, Hill Valley is a crime ridden slum. Old Biff is probably dean now would never be able to give his young self the book. Thus the alternate future Doc talks about wouldn't exist, yet it does. Also in BTTF 1, If marty broke up his parents he'd cease to exist, but then he'd never be born to go back and keep them from meeting. There again is a paradox.

So the theory is time is linear  and if you change it one way, then all future changes still happen. Time will not "reset" itself. If you go back and kill your father, he still dies and you are never born. Time moves on unless someone else changes what you did and stops you.

So with the bomb on the island what happened is as follows:

The original 815-ers blew up the bomb and the island started to sink. Dharma left the island and broke up in universe B. The original 815-ers created an alternate time line B where they never crashed. Since it happened, then it happened. But in their world view it didn't go off and they simply were thrown back to the present in universe A where island still exists.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 18, 2010, 07:04:08 AM
The paradox is, if the bomb changed the timeline so there was no flight 815 crash, there are no losties to go into the past and be gunning for the swan and set off the bomb, so then we have the crash back...  That makes me think the bomb is a red herring, it's only effect was to cause a time jump, the change that caused the alternate timeline is something that happens in the conflict coming up. 

Unfortunately, this is a paradox that occurs in most time travel movies that is not ever resolved.  A lot of people just accept this paradox, and don't question it.  I wouldn't be surprised if the creators just expect us to accept it, and to be honest I wouldn't mind.  A lot of great time travel movies expect us to accept even more than that.

If you're interested, here is a website (http://www.mjyoung.net/time/) that discusses the paradoxes in many popular movies.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 18, 2010, 08:45:16 AM
The paradox is, if the bomb changed the timeline so there was no flight 815 crash, there are no losties to go into the past and be gunning for the swan and set off the bomb, so then we have the crash back...  That makes me think the bomb is a red herring...

Like the red herring that Jacob was eating at the beginning of that episode.  ;)

Considering how madly insistant they were at their "paradox-free time travel" at the start of season five, I can't see them just going "Yeah, sorry... one HELL of a LOT of paradox there..."  Also, I'd bet they're banking on peoples' general acceptance/ignorance of time paradox, simply so their twist will be so mind-boggling to people who think Back To The Future could actually work.

It would have been "The Lone Pine Mall" in the first place...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 18, 2010, 09:06:17 AM
To Universe A, Universe B doesn't exist. To Universe B, A doesn't exist after the 70s.

You keep focusing on 1977 when the bomb went off, the losties went back farther than that, they interacted with the others back in the late 40s or early 50s, you are also ignoring the 3 years some of the losties lived with Darma.  What about Sawyer shooting those others, that is a big change created by the time jumping losties years before the bomb.

So what you say above should be that universe A doesn't exist until the mid 50's.  Or possibly earlier since they went back to when the statue was still standing, they might be using the old butterfly effect, the losties tromping through the jungle way in the past starts changing things.

Since all the original time travelers end up at a point in the future from where they started out, they can't avoid the crash, they set up their own universe, everything they do in the past including the bomb leads to the crash,  the bomb is probably the reason darma sets up the button.  The crash timeline is a loop, once broken by the end of the conflict with smokey we get the alternate timeline.   Drilling for the swan without the intervention of the losties is probably what sinks the island.

Having some supernatural being break the loop would be a way to make it seem less paradoxical, even though it isn't....


I'm not a fan of the multiverse theory, if you really think about it the number of universes grows way too fast, where do you draw the line at when a new branch forms?  It would seem that every micro-second there would be a nearly infinite number of new universes created, each of those branching into another nearly infinite set the next micro-second, and so on and so on....

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on March 18, 2010, 09:09:30 AM
Didn't they already debunk the Back to the Future style of time traveling?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 18, 2010, 09:39:16 AM
Didn't they already debunk the Back to the Future style of time traveling?

Yeah, on the show even...  Miles was about ready to smack Hurley.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 18, 2010, 11:17:00 AM
To Universe A, Universe B doesn't exist. To Universe B, A doesn't exist after the 70s.

You keep focusing on 1977 when the bomb went off, the losties went back farther than that, they interacted with the others back in the late 40s or early 50s, you are also ignoring the 3 years some of the losties lived with Darma.  What about Sawyer shooting those others, that is a big change created by the time jumping losties years before the bomb.

I was going to point out the same thing - that it was the earliest point at which they travelled that the changes started to be made.

I too was follwing the "alternate timelines are alternate dimensions" theory. Essentially, you can't travel into a changed future or past, just another parallel earth where those things were already different. 

So...
The problem is that even in our original universe, Eloise et al were behaving as if they had been affected by the time travelling (hers is the most obvious example). 
So the aged Eloise knows that her son travelled back in time and that she shot him.  But if the time travelling resulted in a new  and different reality/future then she could not possibly know that...

<brain explodes
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 18, 2010, 12:21:50 PM
To Universe A, Universe B doesn't exist. To Universe B, A doesn't exist after the 70s.

You keep focusing on 1977 when the bomb went off, the losties went back farther than that, they interacted with the others back in the late 40s or early 50s, you are also ignoring the 3 years some of the losties lived with Darma.  What about Sawyer shooting those others, that is a big change created by the time jumping losties years before the bomb.

I was going to point out the same thing - that it was the earliest point at which they travelled that the changes started to be made.

I too was follwing the "alternate timelines are alternate dimensions" theory. Essentially, you can't travel into a changed future or past, just another parallel earth where those things were already different. 

So...
The problem is that even in our original universe, Eloise et al were behaving as if they had been affected by the time travelling (hers is the most obvious example). 
So the aged Eloise knows that her son travelled back in time and that she shot him.  But if the time travelling resulted in a new  and different reality/future then she could not possibly know that...

<brain explodes

That's why I don't think any of the time travel by the losties has changed anything, everything they have done in the past was already part of their history, even the bomb.  What ultimatly makes the change to create the other timeline is something we have not seen yet. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on March 18, 2010, 12:31:47 PM
<brain explodes

 :D

You guys should pace yourselves or you're gonna break your brains before we hit mid-season!  ;)

Seriously though, I find all these theories/predictions very interesting and I'm enjoying reading them. I wish I could "geek out" with you but I try not to over-analyze this show. I think one of the coolest aspects of the show is that it can be enjoyed on many levels, from cerebral/technical to just kick-ass suspenseful drama, and obviously some enjoy it on both.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 18, 2010, 01:07:22 PM
In Lost University, they discussed the Multiverse theory.  Basically they stated that when you time travel, you go to a different dimension, and the dimension you left no longer exists.  No idea if this is the theory they're following or not.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on March 18, 2010, 07:09:19 PM
Not attempting to turn this into a FlashForward thread, but I was curious as to how many of you watched--and are going to continue watching--FlashForward. I ask because it returns tonight and I also read a fairly interesting article on the New York Magazine site (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/03/could_flashforward_prove_to_be.html) that talks about the two shows. The title of the article is a just a tad ambitious given that FlashForward only has ten episodes under its belt, but there is some interesting comparing and contrasting.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on March 18, 2010, 07:43:42 PM
Watching it right now.  Just got to the scene at the ballpark.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 18, 2010, 07:56:56 PM
Not attempting to turn this into a FlashForward thread, but I was curious as to how many of you watched--and are going to continue watching--FlashForward. I ask because it returns tonight and I also read a fairly interesting article on the New York Magazine site (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/03/could_flashforward_prove_to_be.html) that talks about the two shows. The title of the article is a just a tad ambitious given that FlashForward only has ten episodes under its belt, but there is some interesting comparing and contrasting.

I'm not a big fan, but I'm still giving it a chance.  I feel like it's Lost for dumb people.  In lost, they expect you to remember things.  In Flashforward, every time they reference a previous event, they flash to it.  I swear they showed the main chick's flash forward like 5 times every episode.  I get it!  She may or may not sleep with that dude in the future!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 18, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
Not attempting to turn this into a FlashForward thread, but I was curious as to how many of you watched--and are going to continue watching--FlashForward. I ask because it returns tonight and I also read a fairly interesting article on the New York Magazine site (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/03/could_flashforward_prove_to_be.html) that talks about the two shows. The title of the article is a just a tad ambitious given that FlashForward only has ten episodes under its belt, but there is some interesting comparing and contrasting.

I'm not a big fan, but I'm still giving it a chance.  I feel like it's Lost for dumb people.  In lost, they expect you to remember things.  In Flashforward, every time they reference a previous event, they flash to it.  I swear they showed the main chick's flash forward like 5 times every episode.  I get it!  She may or may not sleep with that dude in the future!

Yeah, it's very dumbed down compared to Lost... but I've enjoyed it.  Gotta download tonight's episode...   A few episodes back when the guy decided to change things the harsh way (without giving anything away) was when I decided the show was pretty good.  I probably won't buy the DVD's til they are on massive sale, but I enjoy the show.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 19, 2010, 06:47:49 AM
This show was neat when I had some idea of what was going on. Why doesn't one of these traumatized people start smacking the shit out of Locke and demand some answers? Instead, they want to leave the magical island where people are smoke and time travel is possible. Is that a normal reaction?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 19, 2010, 07:32:44 AM
This show was neat when I had some idea of what was going on. Why doesn't one of these traumatized people start smacking the shit out of Locke and demand some answers? Instead, they want to leave the magical island where people are smoke and time travel is possible. Is that a normal reaction?

In all fairness, not everyone wanted to go with Locke.  Those people are dead.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 19, 2010, 08:31:22 AM
This show was neat when I had some idea of what was going on.

Just curious....Do you not know what's going on because you missed some episodes?  If not, what point was it that you had the disconnect?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 19, 2010, 09:15:35 AM
This show was neat when I had some idea of what was going on. Why doesn't one of these traumatized people start smacking the shit out of Locke and demand some answers?

At what point in this show did we ever know what was going on????????? ;D

You must have missed a few episodes.  Shooting fake Lock only pisses him off and he turns into smokey to get you, so I don't think smacking him around would be a good idea. ;)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on March 20, 2010, 09:42:12 PM
In Lost University, they discussed the Multiverse theory.  Basically they stated that when you time travel, you go to a different dimension, and the dimension you left no longer exists.  No idea if this is the theory they're following or not.

Anybody ever read Michael Moorcock?  Most of his books are all loosely connected to some overall multiverse.  It's been too long and I don't remember the details of his universe, but I've been thinking more about it ever since we were introduced to this sideways reality.  Anybody familiar with the Moorcock multiverse deal?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 21, 2010, 01:20:18 PM
Anybody familiar with the Moorcock multiverse deal?

I feel like this is a setup for a joke.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on March 21, 2010, 01:23:19 PM
I have rewatched all of Seasons 2-5 in the last month. I still don't know what is going on.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on March 21, 2010, 02:57:03 PM
Anybody familiar with the Moorcock multiverse deal?

I feel like this is a setup for a joke.

Sorry. No joke.  That's the guy's name.  He's a sci-fi/fantasy writer.  Been around forever and still writes.  Here is what wikipedia says about his multiverse.  Interesting to compare it with LOST:


The Multiverse, which consists of several universes, many layered dimensions, spheres, and alternate worlds, is the place where the eternal struggle between Law and Chaos, the two main forces of Moorcock's worlds, takes place. In all these dimensions and worlds, these forces constantly war for supremacy. But the victory of either Law or Chaos would be disastrous for mankind, and therefore the Balance needs to work for a neutral balance.

The Eternal Champion, a Hero who exists in all dimensions, times and worlds, is the one who is chosen by fate to fight for the Balance; however, he often does not know of his role, or, even worse, he struggles against it, never to succeed.

All the incarnations of the Eternal Champion are facets of each other, and the Champion may also be aided by a companion, who, like himself, exists in various incarnations. Likewise the Champion is often associated with a romantic interest that is possibly an aspect of an eternal figure. Other characters in the various books have occasionally crossed over from one universe to another, although it is unclear what their status in the multiverse may be.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 21, 2010, 05:33:13 PM
This show was neat when I had some idea of what was going on.

Just curious....Do you not know what's going on because you missed some episodes?  If not, what point was it that you had the disconnect?
I don't know what's going on because the show keeps switching directions. A YEAR AGO the big deal was the hydrogen bomb, and Jack thinking he needed to set it off. When they came back, they said, "Well THAT didn't work," and then just ignored it in favor of Jacob vs. Guy We Haven't Bothered To Name Yet. They've been showing us flash sideways or upside-down-wayses for weeks without explaining them. And everybody's following around Flocke without him giving anyone the courtesy of his name. What, is his name embarrassing, like Slartibartfast? It's like the show is distracting us, saying, "Hey, look at this thing way over here!" while they sneak away quietly before we notice they tricked us. Didn't Mike try this once with a cardboard cut-out?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on March 21, 2010, 07:03:41 PM



I don't know what's going on because the show keeps switching directions.
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If you don't like shows that switch directions then you're obviously watching the wrong show. Half the appeal for many is the show's unpredictability.  If you've watched the show this long then you already know that you have to have patience with Lost.  The producers have said that the flash sideways will eventually converge with the island stuff but I'm guessing this probably won't be revealed until the series finale.  If you don't want to wait, then why don't you stick with series like the Mentalist or House or Law and Order or a billion other shows that are the exact same damn thing week after week and year after year?  You don't have to worry about those shows switching directions on you.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 21, 2010, 08:05:32 PM
I know generally what's going on...  At least, I know what HAS gone on...  What I'm strictly unsure about is where it's headed.  But that's a good thing.  I can usually predict stuff like that, even if it's weird and twisted.  So far, the only movies to ever really throw me off were Mulholland Drive and Naked Lunch.  (I wasn't even really confused by Lost Highway... I guess I just have a convoluted mind)   So any show that leaves me at a loss for even wanting to guess where it's headed is very welcome to me.

Mostly, I just can't figure out how they are going to close it all up in 8-9 episodes.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on March 22, 2010, 05:58:25 AM
But Juliette told Miles that the bomb did work, its just that the other people don't know about it.  Still trying to figure out what the off island stuff means.  Like the fact that Jack had his appendix out when he 7 instead of when he was on the island etc.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 22, 2010, 08:43:11 AM
Like the fact that Jack had his appendix out when he 7 instead of when he was on the island etc.

Obviously, the island was transmitting appendix waves to prolong the integrity of Jack's appendix.  These waves don't penetrate ocean water, and when the island sank in 1977, it prevented these waves from reaching seven-year-old-Jack's appendix to prevent its infection.

By the way....the name of my Lost tribute band is "Jack's Infected Appendix".
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2010, 01:32:45 PM
But Juliette told Miles that the bomb did work, its just that the other people don't know about it.  Still trying to figure out what the off island stuff means.  Like the fact that Jack had his appendix out when he 7 instead of when he was on the island etc.

It could be simply that she was able to see the result of the end of the conflict with smokey, and if that is what creates the other timeline then the bomb was just a step to that result, so in a way it did work the way she wanted.

The appendix thing is an interesting one, it would almost have to be a result of different decisions made by his parents, if Christian was also influenced by Jacob when Jack was little and then Jacob is removed from the other timeline, without his influence different decisions made by Christian change Jack back when he was young.  If Jacob touched Jack when he was young there would be no need for the second one when he was an adult, so it makes more sense that Jacks dad was also touched.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2010, 02:36:08 PM
But Juliette told Miles that the bomb did work, its just that the other people don't know about it.  Still trying to figure out what the off island stuff means.  Like the fact that Jack had his appendix out when he 7 instead of when he was on the island etc.



How would Juliette even know that it worked?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2010, 02:49:16 PM
But Juliette told Miles that the bomb did work, its just that the other people don't know about it.  Still trying to figure out what the off island stuff means.  Like the fact that Jack had his appendix out when he 7 instead of when he was on the island etc.



How would Juliette even know that it worked?

 People dying can see all realities, the future and the past, didn't you know that?   :P ;D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 22, 2010, 03:14:25 PM
Mom says we're not allowed to have chocolates before bed.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 22, 2010, 03:17:54 PM
Mom says we're not allowed to have chocolates before bed.

Do you think that Sawyer let her have chocolates before bed?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2010, 03:26:50 PM
Mom says we're not allowed to have chocolates before bed.

Your mom let's me have chocolates before bed...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 22, 2010, 03:34:02 PM
Mom says we're not allowed to have chocolates before bed.

Your mom let's me have chocolates before bed...

I'm sure she does...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 22, 2010, 04:30:05 PM
But Juliette told Miles that the bomb did work, its just that the other people don't know about it.  Still trying to figure out what the off island stuff means.  Like the fact that Jack had his appendix out when he 7 instead of when he was on the island etc.



Yeah but what does she know, she's all blowed up.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 22, 2010, 05:56:21 PM
But Juliette told Miles that the bomb did work, its just that the other people don't know about it.  Still trying to figure out what the off island stuff means.  Like the fact that Jack had his appendix out when he 7 instead of when he was on the island etc.



Yeah but what does she know, she's all blowed up.

Yeah, she also wanted to get coffee...  I don't trust dying people.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 23, 2010, 11:20:23 PM
That was so dumb. Everyone on the island is just drunk on wine in Cork, Ireland? What a letdown. Can't believe I wasted five years for that. >.<
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 24, 2010, 12:19:17 AM
Well, that was a lot of info, as usual it raises a ton more questions. 

So did Jacob want all the Darma people on the island?  Or did they find a way to get to the island against his will?

So Jacob brings people to the island to prove a point to smokey?   And they all fail and die, that's nice... 

Must have been a hell of a wave that launched that ship inland but didn't wash away the jungle.  Guess that's one question they will leave unanswered.

And what's with Hurley seeing dead people now?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on March 24, 2010, 03:44:46 AM
And what's with Hurley seeing dead people now?

Ever since he left the Island.

So the Island is full of evil and if Jacob isn't there (or his next in line) then the evil spreads to the rest of the world?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mike5150 on March 24, 2010, 05:25:42 AM
OK,   I'm going to get this thread locked because I accidentally read some stuff that I didn't see yet. C'mon! Have some respect for people that are waiting all year for the DVD release. Talk about little house on the prairie or mash or something! You people have got some nerve!!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on March 24, 2010, 05:30:18 AM
OK,   I'm going to get this thread locked because I accidentally read some stuff that I didn't see yet. C'mon! Have some respect for people that are waiting all year for the DVD release. Talk about little house on the prairie or mash or something! You people have got some nerve!!

/end sarcasm??

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mike5150 on March 24, 2010, 05:37:32 AM
OK,   I'm going to get this thread locked because I accidentally read some stuff that I didn't see yet. C'mon! Have some respect for people that are waiting all year for the DVD release. Talk about little house on the prairie or mash or something! You people have got some nerve!!

/end sarcasm??


lol....Yes....just kidding. I sometimes forget that the forum people don't know me very well. Be thankful  ;D  But I do love lost. I JUST discovered it when I signed up for netflix a few months ago.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 24, 2010, 05:40:01 AM
Too bad Kate and Jack got killed by that rodeo clown tonight.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mike5150 on March 24, 2010, 05:51:35 AM
Too bad Kate and Jack got killed by that rodeo clown tonight.
I hate you sooooo much  :grr:

Actually, I started this thing in fb awhile back when I got hooked on the show. I noticed that the way to survive on that Island is NEVER 'see' anything. The phrases "Hey, I think you guys need to see this"  or  "what are you doing here?"  are immediately followed by a log to the back of the head. The moral of lost is....Never look at things.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on March 24, 2010, 05:59:07 AM
lol....Yes....just kidding. I sometimes forget that the forum people don't know me very well. Be thankful  ;D  But I do love lost. I JUST discovered it when I signed up for netflix a few months ago.

How far in are you? You really shouldn't be reading this thread if you aren't caught up!   ;D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mike5150 on March 24, 2010, 06:02:28 AM
lol....Yes....just kidding. I sometimes forget that the forum people don't know me very well. Be thankful  ;D  But I do love lost. I JUST discovered it when I signed up for netflix a few months ago.

How far in are you? You really shouldn't be reading this thread if you aren't caught up!   ;D
oh, I'm not reading it at all. I am almost caught up. Netflix has all 5 seasons streaming, I was going to wait for the 6th to be released, but I caved and went to hulu.....I'm on ep 4 season 6....I'M SO WEAK!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 24, 2010, 06:20:42 AM
oh, I'm not reading it at all.

Yeah I'm not reading this forum either. 

So last night we got an explanation (mostly) of:
The Black Rock
Why Richard does not age
More on the Jacob v. MIB quarrel

So the Captain of the ship was Hanso... hmm.  If no one from the ship (except Richard) made it out of the ship alive how did Hanso even know to go look for the island (assuming that happened and it's why he sent the DHARMA initiative there). 


Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 24, 2010, 07:22:28 AM
I think the biggest question from the episode is:

So if the Black Rock showed up at night in a huge storm, what ship was it that they saw at the end of season 5?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 24, 2010, 07:37:03 AM
I think the biggest question from the episode is:

So if the Black Rock showed up at night in a huge storm, what ship was it that they saw at the end of season 5?

the SS Minnow
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 24, 2010, 09:31:29 AM
I think the biggest question from the episode is:

So if the Black Rock showed up at night in a huge storm, what ship was it that they saw at the end of season 5?

Jacob told Richard he had brought other people to the island, what we saw then must have been a different ship.  Did we ever see the statue in that scene?  That would tell us if it was before or after the Black Rock.

I also wonder how the Hanso family found out about the island if the captain died.  Maybe they were wealthy even back then and had lots of ships?

Still too many questions about smokey, I guess he can only become the smoke on the island?  Or else why doesn't he just fly away now that Jacob is dead. The island seems to be his prison but it takes a person like Jacob or his replacement to keep him there?  Still no idea why he is stuck shaped like Lock.

  I guess Jacob gave Dogen a job just like Richard, only he gave Dogen the power to repel smokey so all he had to do was stay in the temple to protect it?

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 24, 2010, 09:59:16 AM
I think the biggest question from the episode is:

So if the Black Rock showed up at night in a huge storm, what ship was it that they saw at the end of season 5?

Jacob told Richard he had brought other people to the island, what we saw then must have been a different ship.  Did we ever see the statue in that scene?  That would tell us if it was before or after the Black Rock.

I also wonder how the Hanso family found out about the island if the captain died.  Maybe they were wealthy even back then and had lots of ships?

Still too many questions about smokey, I guess he can only become the smoke on the island?  Or else why doesn't he just fly away now that Jacob is dead. The island seems to be his prison but it takes a person like Jacob or his replacement to keep him there?  Still no idea why he is stuck shaped like Lock.

  I guess Jacob gave Dogen a job just like Richard, only he gave Dogen the power to repel smokey so all he had to do was stay in the temple to protect it?

Yeah it could have been another ship.  We did see the statue and it was complete so it's possible, though I thought it was inferred that it was the same ship.  Maybe not. 

I'm just not buying that the Black Rock washed in and settled so far from the statue in the middle of the Jungle in "Territoire Noir"  I don't think it was necessary to show how the statue was broken, it felt like they were just wanting to tie up that mystery for the heck of it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 24, 2010, 10:42:06 AM
So the Captain of the ship was Hanso... hmm.  If no one from the ship (except Richard) made it out of the ship alive how did Hanso even know to go look for the island (assuming that happened and it's why he sent the DHARMA initiative there). 

The captain was Magnus Hanso, as they very subtly mentioned at the auction where Whidmore was buying the journal of either Hanso or his first mate, I don't remember which...  That was in the episode "The Constant" when Desmond went to Whidmore to try to find Penny.  If I remember correctly, they mentioned the journal had washed up somewhere...

Anyways, as for Alvar Hanso finding the island... most likely it was the same general principle behind Mr Eko crashing on the same island as his brother.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 24, 2010, 10:46:46 AM
So the Captain of the ship was Hanso... hmm.  If no one from the ship (except Richard) made it out of the ship alive how did Hanso even know to go look for the island (assuming that happened and it's why he sent the DHARMA initiative there). 

The captain was Magnus Hanso, as they very subtly mentioned at the auction where Whidmore was buying the journal of either Hanso or his first mate, I don't remember which...  That was in the episode "The Constant" when Desmond went to Whidmore to try to find Penny.  If I remember correctly, they mentioned the journal had washed up somewhere...

Anyways, as for Alvar Hanso finding the island... most likely it was the same general principle behind Mr Eko crashing on the same island as his brother.



Wait a minute...  Weren't Miles and Sawyer out mapping the island or something - looking for something - for DHARMA?  I can't recall if they explained exactly what they were doing but I know they were out doing something like that. 

It's a long shot but I wonder if there was something on the Black Rock that he was trying to recover?  I know I know we don't need that complicating the plot right now...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 24, 2010, 10:49:54 AM
If I remember correctly, they mentioned the journal had washed up somewhere...

It was recovered with some pirate artifacts on an island off the coast of Madagascar.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 24, 2010, 10:52:45 AM
I don't feel like there are any important twists left at this point. They're just telling us what we want to hear one week at a time. It's like an advent calendar or something. Seven more weeks of revealing pictures before the end. One episode to explain why Hurley sees dead people. Hopefully that episode will explain why Jacob said, "that wasn't Isabella." But actual twists? I think they've pretty much solidified the idea of who Jacob and not-Jacob are and what the premise is. It's obvious Jacob is good and Blackie is bad, what with all the, "I'm going to kill you, and kill the next guy, and just kill lots of people." So I don't know, I feel like the show is just going to end with Jack replacing Jacob on the island for the rest of eternity. The end. It can only really end three ways now. Either Smokey wins and destroys the world, someone stays to keep Smokey from destroying the world, or somehow Smokester is destroyed. What happens to the rest of the characters is largely irrelevant. They can still do the "it's Purgatory!" twist, but I think that's ancillary to the plot.

It's like they're just filming all the fan theories now, even if they're repetitive like this episode. We were told that Jacob is there to keep Smokey from escaping, which we already figured out. We found out how Richard got to the island, which is close to what everyone guessed. As for how he's immortal, that wasn't a revelation either. But WTF, kind of a sudden, random wish, wasn't it? Was he being sarcastic? There seemed to be no character motivation for him wishing that, especially with his wife being dead. Good thing he didn't want to decide who lives and who dies.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 24, 2010, 11:02:03 AM
But WTF, kind of a sudden, random wish, wasn't it? Was he being sarcastic? There seemed to be no character motivation for him wishing that, especially with his wife being dead.

I would have wished for a corn dog.  Can you imagine?!  Eating a corn dog a century before they were invented?!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 24, 2010, 11:12:10 AM
I would have wished for Anne Hathaway.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 24, 2010, 11:17:17 AM
I don't feel like there are any important twists left at this point. They're just telling us what we want to hear one week at a time. It's like an advent calendar or something. Seven more weeks of revealing pictures before the end. One episode to explain why Hurley sees dead people. Hopefully that episode will explain why Jacob said, "that wasn't Isabella." But actual twists?

See I don't even think of those things as being left to reveal.  I feel satisfied with those having been explained to the extent that they ever will be.

As for how he's immortal, that wasn't a revelation either. But WTF, kind of a sudden, random wish, wasn't it? Was he being sarcastic? There seemed to be no character motivation for him wishing that, especially with his wife being dead. Good thing he didn't want to decide who lives and who dies.

I thought it was made clear by the context: He could not be absolved so he couldn't wish to die (he believed he would go to hell) and he could not get his wife back so his only alternative was to live and go neither place - in a way his own purgatory.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 24, 2010, 11:27:38 AM
I thought it was made clear by the context: He could not be absolved so he couldn't wish to die (he believed he would go to hell) and he could not get his wife back so his only alternative was to live and go neither place - in a way his own purgatory.

I didn't make that connection, but I like it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on March 24, 2010, 11:44:35 AM
Richard is pretty. Can we have more episodes focused on him?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on March 24, 2010, 11:55:02 AM
I thought it was made clear by the context: He could not be absolved so he couldn't wish to die (he believed he would go to hell) and he could not get his wife back so his only alternative was to live and go neither place - in a way his own purgatory.

I didn't make that connection, but I like it.

That is how I saw it as well.   Maybe only catholics understood right away!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 24, 2010, 12:19:00 PM
I thought it was made clear by the context: He could not be absolved so he couldn't wish to die (he believed he would go to hell) and he could not get his wife back so his only alternative was to live and go neither place - in a way his own purgatory.

Yea, that's what I thought as well.

It's pretty obvious the Isabella Richard saw when he was in chains was smokey, we've seen that flashy thing he does when he comes up on someone before, reading Richards mind he saw that there was a good chance he could trick Richard into killing Jacob by tempting Richard with the idea of being with Isabella again.  Same way he used Alex against Ben and Nadia against Sayid.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 24, 2010, 02:18:29 PM
I thought it was made clear by the context: He could not be absolved so he couldn't wish to die (he believed he would go to hell) and he could not get his wife back so his only alternative was to live and go neither place - in a way his own purgatory.

Yea, that's what I thought as well.

It's pretty obvious the Isabella Richard saw when he was in chains was smokey, we've seen that flashy thing he does when he comes up on someone before, reading Richards mind he saw that there was a good chance he could trick Richard into killing Jacob by tempting Richard with the idea of being with Isabella again.  Same way he used Alex against Ben and Nadia against Sayid.

that is what i got too
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 24, 2010, 02:54:59 PM
I thought it was a fantastic episode, it really gave me hope that the series won't crash and burn in it's last episode the way BSG did...

I'm just not buying that the Black Rock washed in and settled so far from the statue in the middle of the Jungle in "Territoire Noir"  I don't think it was necessary to show how the statue was broken, it felt like they were just wanting to tie up that mystery for the heck of it.

That seems like a pretty minor thing to "buy" all things considered...

I thought it was made clear by the context: He could not be absolved so he couldn't wish to die (he believed he would go to hell) and he could not get his wife back so his only alternative was to live and go neither place - in a way his own purgatory.

I didn't make that connection, but I like it.

That is how I saw it as well.   Maybe only catholics understood right away!

I'm no catholic, but I got it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 24, 2010, 03:14:07 PM
I kinda want it to end like The Sopranos ended.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 24, 2010, 03:34:01 PM
I kinda want it to end like The Sopranos ended.

Literally, or you mean with an ambiguous ending?

I think that they might try to go out on a "wait, whaaat?" ending.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 24, 2010, 03:36:11 PM
I want them to find some hidden room, and the guy sitting there is wearing a monkey mask, and when Jack pulls the mask off the guy, it's JACK!!!  and then they all climb into a cage and dance around to "Dem Dry Bones"
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on March 24, 2010, 03:50:31 PM
I want them to find some hidden room, and the guy sitting there is wearing a monkey mask, and when Jack pulls the mask off the guy, it's JACK!!!  and then they all climb into a cage and dance around to "Dem Dry Bones"

They are (or have?) probably going to film several different spoof endings to fool people trying to post THE ENDING blogs everywhere.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 24, 2010, 03:55:39 PM
I kinda want it to end like The Sopranos ended.

Literally, or you mean with an ambiguous ending?

I think that they might try to go out on a "wait, whaaat?" ending.

Yeah, literally, I want Tony Soprano to appear and take the whole population of the island to a restaurant.  He orders onion rings for everyone ahead of time as an appetizer while Richard parallel parks the submarine, and the whole time Journey plays "Don't Stop Believing" in the background.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 24, 2010, 04:00:46 PM
I want them to find some hidden room, and the guy sitting there is wearing a monkey mask, and when Jack pulls the mask off the guy, it's JACK!!!  and then they all climb into a cage and dance around to "Dem Dry Bones"

They are (or have?) probably going to film several different spoof endings to fool people trying to post THE ENDING blogs everywhere.

I was really hoping Jacob would be Patrick MacGoohan, but he died and shattered my dreams.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on March 24, 2010, 04:02:17 PM
I want them to find some hidden room, and the guy sitting there is wearing a monkey mask, and when Jack pulls the mask off the guy, it's JACK!!!  and then they all climb into a cage and dance around to "Dem Dry Bones"

They are (or have?) probably going to film several different spoof endings to fool people trying to post THE ENDING blogs everywhere.

I was really hoping Jacob would be Patrick MacGoohan, but he died and shattered my dreams.

I am sure the could CGI him in.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 24, 2010, 04:03:52 PM
I kinda want it to end like The Sopranos ended.

I'm hoping for a Newhart ending. Matthew Fox wakes up and is back in the set of Party of Five..
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 24, 2010, 04:05:37 PM
I leave you with these words by David Chase discussing the ending from a December 2007 GQ magazine interview that encapsulates his thinking about the final scene:

“In a certain way, I think [the controversy over the ending] revealed some of the problems that we have. We’ve been fed so much ham-handed, overly explicit storytelling, particularly in television over the years-tell them what they’re going to see, show it to them, then tell them what they’ve seen. And some things are beyond words, actually.”
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 24, 2010, 04:10:19 PM
Quote
It's pretty obvious the Isabella Richard saw when he was in chains was smokey
Eh... that's kinda gay.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 24, 2010, 04:15:32 PM
I kinda want it to end like The Sopranos ended.

I'm hoping for a Newhart ending. Matthew Fox wakes up and is back in the set of Party of Five..

Even that would be 10 times greater than the Battlestar Galactica culmination.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on March 24, 2010, 10:39:17 PM
Awesome episode!  I was a little disappointed to find that Richard wasn't as old as I thought he was going to be.  He kept saying he was very old and all that so I guess I've been spoiled by so many vampire movies and TV shows so I think anything less than 200 years old and you're a punk.  LOL

I think the biggest question from the episode is:

So if the Black Rock showed up at night in a huge storm, what ship was it that they saw at the end of season 5?

I think it was the Black Rock as well, and the ship was caught in the same vortex or whatever that kept Desmond floating around and around for two weeks before he ran into the castaways at the end of Season 2.  Since the Black Rock couldn't escape the island, it floated around until the storm hit them and smashed the ship into the statue.

It's all speculation but it's what I think was going on.

Wait a minute...  Weren't Miles and Sawyer out mapping the island or something - looking for something - for DHARMA?  I can't recall if they explained exactly what they were doing but I know they were out doing something like that. 

It's a long shot but I wonder if there was something on the Black Rock that he was trying to recover?  I know I know we don't need that complicating the plot right now...

The way I remember  it, Sawyer and Miles were looking for Jack, Kate, Locke, and the rest to suddenly appear on the island.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Courtney on March 25, 2010, 06:42:48 AM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 25, 2010, 09:05:16 AM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

LOL
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 25, 2010, 09:21:54 AM
I still think this entire show should have focused solely on Scott and Steve, and why the one who died that everyone said was Scott was the guy who claimed he was Steve........  and the guy who had claimed to be Scott, who was still alive, didn't bother saying anything when Hurley eulogised the dead man with "Sorry I kept calling you Steve."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on March 25, 2010, 10:02:12 AM
Needs more Frogurt!

(http://susansternberg.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/neil-frogurt.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: gbeenie on March 25, 2010, 12:24:57 PM
So here's the thing I can't wrap my head around: Why the hell would you have dynamite on a slave ship?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 25, 2010, 12:43:25 PM
Needs more Frogurt!

(http://susansternberg.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/neil-frogurt.jpg)

Hope Hurley getsa Frogurt in his episode from the guy. That would be hilarious..
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on March 25, 2010, 12:44:27 PM
So here's the thing I can't wrap my head around: Why the hell would you have dynamite on a slave ship?

maybe they were brining supplies for the work they were going to do. It was a mining ship right?

Whose to say a later boat didn't land and hte dynamite was moved from there to Black Rock.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 25, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
From the producer's podcast:

Quote
People are trying to connect last year’s finale when Jacob and the Man In Black are sitting at the base of Taweret and seemingly sort of these very sunny skies and then Jacob says he’s brought them to the island.  I think that the thinking there is following that conversation this great storm kind of whipped itself up…

So...it was the same ship, and a crazy storm just popped up?

And from Jorge's podcast interviewing Nestor:

Quote
I think that it was an impulse sort of reaction.  If you can’t bring her back, and if he can’t absolve me of my sins, then I don’t want to die, because then I’ll be going to Hell.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on March 25, 2010, 02:14:14 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


SEE! I told you he was dreamy! Oh well, I always have BatManuel!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: hootyhaha on March 25, 2010, 02:48:47 PM
So in the parallel universe, they'll all be taken back to the island eventually.  Because in that universe Jacob still knows them.  The only thing that's different is that the plane landed.  But everything that happened before the plane crash, still happened like Jacob touching them all.

If everything was the same except for the crash, then how do you explain all the people that left Darma when they didn't in the other timeline?  Ben and Ethan were on the island at the time of the crash, not living in LA, Charlotte would be with Faraday instead of going on dates in LA.  Maybe they could have hid the fact that Jack had a son but I don't think so.  In the other story the past has been radically changed well into the past.

Think about it, without the plane crash there's no group of time travelers, so there's no way everything that happened before the crash could be the same.

The 2 options are that the non-crash timeline leads to some event that alters the past and leads to the crash timeline, or the non-crash timeline is the result of the people from the crash timeline resetting the past.  Given the number of episodes left the second one seems more likely, all the connections are there in both timelines because of all the overlapping time travel. 

Of course the producers could go back on their comments that everything is real and pull a St. Elsewhere on us.

THose are Side-Flashes, things that happened a little differently.  But the fact that the same people are still crossing the same paths of different people... I think that means they'll all still be taken back to the Island in one universe.  Then the other, somebody will take Jacobs spot and the Island, Black Smoke, Mysteries, etc. will go on.

I just hate when I hear people say that there are going to HAVE to be questions that go unanswered.  I hate that because it's true.  I wish they would take it into 1 more season, or a Summer season to answer up everything.  I'm not fond of FanFic speculation on stuff like this AFTER shows.  During shows it's cool to read guesses, opinions, etc. etc.
 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 25, 2010, 03:13:15 PM
The Zombie Season.

Personally, I like it when a show like this leaves small things relatively unanswered.  I say relatively, because it's best when it's stuff you could eventually figure out with re-watching and discussion and maybe the "Lost Experience" stuff.

I for one have pre-ordered the Lost Encyclopedia.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 25, 2010, 04:11:43 PM
I hope the ending will be: We see Evil Locke sailing off from the island, in a very long zoom see the camrea pull away from teh islnd, clouds ocean and see the entire planet earth from space and it suddenly explodes in the blackness of space.

Fade to:
(http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/blog/LostLogo_.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on March 25, 2010, 04:40:57 PM
SEE! I told you he was dreamy! Oh well, I always have BatManuel!

"Batmanuel has finish the Big Gulp..."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on March 25, 2010, 08:27:42 PM
So is it safe to say that the Walt ("only taller") that Locke saw when he was shot by Ben in the Dharma Body Pit was Smokey in disguise?

Why was Walt wet  when he appeared to Shannon?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 26, 2010, 08:25:14 PM
Why ANYTHING? Just why ANYTHING?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 26, 2010, 09:54:36 PM
Why was Walt wet  when he appeared to Shannon?

Shannon turns me on too...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: gbeenie on March 28, 2010, 01:45:21 PM
It might have been to disguise his age. The principal reason they wrote Walt out in the first place was that the actor was gonna hit puberty by the time they were supposed to have been on the island for about 100 days. I also suspect that this is why they had the "Oceanic 6" be back on the mainland for three years (so they could bring Walt back and be able to explain his age).
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 30, 2010, 09:55:23 AM
Available today only from TeeFury (http://teefury.com/) is a pretty cool Lost themed T-shirt:

(http://teefury.com/products_large_images/92204416.jpg)

It's cheap too at only $11 shipped.  I like it because I'm not the kind of person to wear or promote something with an obvious reference.  It's subtle enough that only fans would get it, and even then it's not a certainty.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on March 30, 2010, 05:51:11 PM
DHARMA labels for a bunch of stuff!
http://maxpictures.com/weblog/2007/04/10/lost-labels-for-your-dharma-initiative-needs/

(http://www.maxpictures.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/di-products.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 30, 2010, 07:08:40 PM
Great episode, things are starting to come together.

Desmond being the thing locked up on the sub was a surprise.  I expected him back on the island but that's a hell of a way to do it.

The big red V in the ABC logo was really pissing me off most of the time....

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on March 30, 2010, 07:17:31 PM
We had a flood warning message covering the subtitles for most of the episode as well as the V.

Other than that it was a better episode than I expected.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on March 30, 2010, 09:58:56 PM
Good episode tonight.  Not great but pretty good.

So is it safe to say that the Walt ("only taller") that Locke saw when he was shot by Ben in the Dharma Body Pit was Smokey in disguise?

Yes, I think so.

Why was Walt wet  when he appeared to Shannon?

He did it for the evilutz.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 30, 2010, 11:24:04 PM
That was a really... really really really really bad stupid boring episode. I have never felt like the Kwons fit in on this show. So to dedicate an episode to them this late in the story when it doesn't seem like they'll amount to anything seems pedantic. Neither one of them believes in anything. But then, this is the show whose producers insist Rose and Bernard will play some important role, and they're the most peripheral characters ever created.

Another episode, another week of me still being clueless. How does Widmore know about not-Jacob being so evil that he'll destroy everything if he gets out? How can he know that? It's super secret, and he's not in the club. What's his entire deal anyway? He was just a nobody back when he was on the island.

There's fully too much backstory for them to ever address and it just strikes me as lazy planning.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 30, 2010, 11:40:32 PM
That was a really... really really really really bad stupid boring episode.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be rude or anything.  I'm just curious, but why do you still watch the show?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on March 30, 2010, 11:42:20 PM
That was a really... really really really really bad stupid boring episode.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be rude or anything.  I'm just curious, but why do you still watch the show?
Lamest internet question EVER.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 31, 2010, 01:53:01 AM
How does Widmore know about not-Jacob being so evil that he'll destroy everything if he gets out? How can he know that? It's super secret, and he's not in the club. What's his entire deal anyway? He was just a nobody back when he was on the island.

What?  Widmore was the leader of the others before Ben took that away from him, have you been watching the show?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 31, 2010, 06:27:59 AM
That was a really... really really really really bad stupid boring episode.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be rude or anything.  I'm just curious, but why do you still watch the show?

Because he has nothing else.


I thought it was a fantastic episode! I picked that Desmond was "the package" and I am guessing that his time traveling powers will be how the island is ultimately undone and the "sideways" universe, which I still think is the series epilogue, will come to be.

Maaaybe.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 31, 2010, 07:50:28 AM
That was a really... really really really really bad stupid boring episode.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be rude or anything.  I'm just curious, but why do you still watch the show?
Lamest internet question EVER.

Why?  Nevermind.  Just go about your business.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 31, 2010, 09:02:54 AM
I thought I'd add a weekly poll to the discussion.  Enjoy.....or don't enjoy.  Whichever you like.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 31, 2010, 10:33:37 AM
Just thought of something, in the opener with the other timeline they showed us the broken foot of the statue.

So, was that a clue as to the time of the change?  The day/night the Black Rock came to the island?  When the losties were time jumping and saw the statue was that the same day as Jacob and MIB were talking on the beach? 

They finally got around to mentioning the pockets of energy on the island again, I've always thought those have to be really important to the ending somehow.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 31, 2010, 10:41:58 AM
That was a really... really really really really bad stupid boring episode.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be rude or anything.  I'm just curious, but why do you still watch the show?
Lamest internet question EVER.

Why?  Nevermind.  Just go about your business.

If you go back and look at his posts you'll see a history of doing this with almost every show....this episode was pretty uneventful though.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 31, 2010, 10:43:33 AM
They finally got around to mentioning the pockets of energy on the island again, I've always thought those have to be really important to the ending somehow.

I think the biggest mystery left is how to resolve the two timelines.  I really think that the solution will focus around Desmond and these EM pockets, and perhaps it will resolve the conflict with MIB.

Speaking of the timelines, I think it's pretty obvious now that Sun does not speak English in the alt timeline.  I would suggest that she forgot how to speak English in the original timeline because the two realities are merging.

Also, I'm sure I'm wrong, but I swear that when Keamy was tying up Jin in the fridge he said "In case you find out what's gonna happen to the island."  Perhaps he said, "to ya", and just drawled it out a lot, but it just sounded weird to me.


If you vote other in the poll, let us know who you're thinking of.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on March 31, 2010, 10:44:56 AM
I think it was "what's about to happen to you"
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 31, 2010, 10:51:34 AM
Just thought of something, in the opener with the other timeline they showed us the broken foot of the statue.

They also showed the Dharmaville w/ swing set...  And Ben's dad mentioned joining the Dharma Initiative and leaving the island...  That all implies that the island ended up under water sometime during or after the Dharma Initiative was there.

Although my guess is that something changed long before then... yet Dharma still ended up on the Island.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 31, 2010, 11:03:21 AM
That was a really... really really really really bad stupid boring episode.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be rude or anything.  I'm just curious, but why do you still watch the show?
Lamest internet question EVER.

No his question was a good one.

Last night ep was just okay.  I would have appreciated the emotional satisfaction of seeing Jin and Sun find one another last night at the end of the episode.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on March 31, 2010, 11:10:35 AM
Last night ep was just okay.  I would have appreciated the emotional satisfaction of seeing Jin and Sun find one another last night at the end of the episode.

When I found out it was a Jin/Sun episode, I thought it would end that way too.  They seem to be trying to build it up a lot, but I'm sorry, they just can't top the Christmas phone call with Penny and Desmond.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 31, 2010, 12:07:11 PM
They finally got around to mentioning the pockets of energy on the island again, I've always thought those have to be really important to the ending somehow.

I think the biggest mystery left is how to resolve the two timelines.  I really think that the solution will focus around Desmond and these EM pockets, and perhaps it will resolve the conflict with MIB.

Speaking of the timelines, I think it's pretty obvious now that Sun does not speak English in the alt timeline.  I would suggest that she forgot how to speak English in the original timeline because the two realities are merging.

Yes, I thought that also, now that we know that they are not married she probably never had the affair and never learned English.  But she still came up with a plan to move to the USA and still got pregnant, so they are keeping the timelines similar.   

Just thought of something, in the opener with the other timeline they showed us the broken foot of the statue.

They also showed the Dharmaville w/ swing set...  And Ben's dad mentioned joining the Dharma Initiative and leaving the island...  That all implies that the island ended up under water sometime during or after the Dharma Initiative was there.

Although my guess is that something changed long before then... yet Dharma still ended up on the Island.

That's why I wonder if that time jump where they saw the statue intact was the day the Black Rock showed up, hard to remember how long they stayed during that jump, didn't they deal with a storm at one point in one jump?  In the non-crash timeline things should be different starting from the time jump in which the crash survivors went back the farthest.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 31, 2010, 01:11:31 PM
That's why I wonder if that time jump where they saw the statue intact was the day the Black Rock showed up, hard to remember how long they stayed during that jump, didn't they deal with a storm at one point in one jump?  In the non-crash timeline things should be different starting from the time jump in which the crash survivors went back the farthest.

I read a theory on darkufo's site that was thinking that ALL of the time flashes happened when something big occurred.  One flash brought the french team onto the island, another brought the black rock, etc and so on.   A lot of it doesn't quite mesh tho, but it was an interesting thought.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on March 31, 2010, 01:13:46 PM
Something that came up in Jorge Garcia's podcast was the contrast between Richard's behavior towards him accidentally murdering the doctor back in the Canary Islands and his attitude towards the massacre at Dharmaville.  He didn't seem to be all that worried about the latter.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on March 31, 2010, 08:09:00 PM
I voted as Widmore to be the villian. Everything that guy does is effed up and selfish
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 31, 2010, 08:15:40 PM
A thing someone just pointed out to me that I didn't get when watching this episode:

The translator was the eye patch guy from the Dharma Initiative from I don't even remember which season!

Also - Jin shot him in the eye!

Nice callback that I totally missed!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 31, 2010, 08:53:27 PM
A thing someone just pointed out to me that I didn't get when watching this episode:

The translator was the eye patch guy from the Dharma Initiative from I don't even remember which season!

Also - Jin shot him in the eye!

Nice callback that I totally missed!

It took me a while to recognize Mikhail without the eye patch.   He was one of the others, and was hard as hell to kill, he's the one that killed Charlie with the grenade.

Ha, Colbert did a bit tonight on the V countdown clock, funny stuff....
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 01, 2010, 08:16:42 AM
Here's a cool Lost themed April Fool's product (http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/dharma-alarm-clock.shtml?icpg=Carousel_DharmaClock_5) from Think Geek.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 01, 2010, 08:30:10 AM
I never watched this show before (aside from the first two episodes when it was riffed), so I can't join in the discussion....

...but my new TV can stream Netflix directly to it, and Netflix has the first 5 seasons available in Watch Instantly. 

So I guess I'll get started catching up.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 01, 2010, 08:32:39 AM
I never watched this show before (aside from the first two episodes when it was riffed), so I can't join in the discussion....

...but my new TV can stream Netflix directly to it, and Netflix has the first 5 seasons available in Watch Instantly. 

So I guess I'll get started catching up.

Very cool.  And feel free to share your reactions as you catch up.  It's always fun to hear people's thoughts as they go through it the first time.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 01, 2010, 08:47:26 AM
I never watched this show before (aside from the first two episodes when it was riffed), so I can't join in the discussion....

...but my new TV can stream Netflix directly to it, and Netflix has the first 5 seasons available in Watch Instantly. 

So I guess I'll get started catching up.

Very cool.  And feel free to share your reactions as you catch up.  It's always fun to hear people's thoughts as they go through it the first time.

One of the most memorable riffs from The Fellowship of the Ring.... "I dreamt we were all in Lost and it never went anywhere or made any sense!"
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 01, 2010, 08:53:27 AM
The Lost Spoiler section of DarkUFO just posted who Kate will end up with.... 
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ahhh, I love April Fool's Day, sorta.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 01, 2010, 10:06:53 AM
Another countdown clock:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/04/01/abc-announces-lost-series-finale-countdown-clock%E2%80%9D/46838
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on April 01, 2010, 10:13:01 AM
I want this:

(http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/other/lostclock_main_zoom.jpg)

http://bit.ly/c9yOPe
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 01, 2010, 10:29:53 AM
I already have the failsafe key.... and my laptop has a Swan logo decal on it....  I'm a nerd.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 02, 2010, 08:27:28 AM
From Jorge Garcia:

Quote
Keamy did NOT say "your island" while tying Jin up in "The Package". The script says "Because if you figure out what's about to happen to you, I can't have you freaking out"
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 02, 2010, 11:17:46 AM
From Jorge Garcia:

Quote
Keamy did NOT say "your island" while tying Jin up in "The Package". The script says "Because if you figure out what's about to happen to you, I can't have you freaking out"

That's what I heard, guess it helps to have a good surround sound system.

Seriously thinking about getting that alarm clock....
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 02, 2010, 11:37:18 AM
Seriously thinking about getting that alarm clock....

They may actually make it if there are enough requests.  They had an "8-bit tie" (http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/hats-ties/9352/) as an April Fools joke a few years ago, then they actually started selling them.  I got one, it's pretty sweet.

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Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 02, 2010, 04:02:22 PM
Seriously thinking about getting that alarm clock....
They may actually make it if there are enough requests.  They had an "8-bit tie" (http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/hats-ties/9352/) as an April Fools joke a few years ago, then they actually started selling them.  I got one, it's pretty sweet.

I guess they got me, I thought it was real, didn't look at the "availability" under the price.  I hit the "make it real" button...

Might be a hard one to build, I haven't seen one of those flip card clocks in ages, and you'd have to computer controll it somehow to skip or show the hyroglyphics.  Would probably have to cheat and use some LCD screens, would be a cool Arduino project but I don't have the time...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on April 02, 2010, 04:09:29 PM
That was a really... really really really really bad stupid boring episode.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be rude or anything.  I'm just curious, but why do you still watch the show?
Lamest internet question EVER.

No his question was a good one.
You can say that because fifteen people don't ask you this question every week. I'm not going to explain fandom or fantacism to somebody who thinks passion can only be positive and not involve criticism. I love Lost, but I am not required to pretend every episode or even every season is the best thing ever. I think people who criticize critcism are just willfully ignorant. Try to understand the difference between people who hate something and people who don't like it as much anymore, completely every time, or as much as they expected to.

A thing someone just pointed out to me that I didn't get when watching this episode:

The translator was the eye patch guy from the Dharma Initiative from I don't even remember which season!
Yeah, I'm not good with the connect-the-dots game either. Not when it's been years since we've seen a character on the show and they pop up as basically a different character. I've seen two many actors cross between shows to remember that somebody was on this show before. They really need a "previously on Lost" at the beginning with all the relevant information for the episode, since it's not just a continuation from last week. It's great that a few people get rewarded for being obsessive, but what about 98% of the audience?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 02, 2010, 04:12:38 PM
A thing someone just pointed out to me that I didn't get when watching this episode:

The translator was the eye patch guy from the Dharma Initiative from I don't even remember which season!
Yeah, I'm not good with the connect-the-dots game either. Not when it's been years since we've seen a character on the show and they pop up as basically a different character. I've seen two many actors cross between shows to remember that somebody was on this show before. They really need a "previously on Lost" at the beginning with all the relevant information for the episode, since it's not just a continuation from last week. It's great that a few people get rewarded for being obsessive, but what about 98% of the audience?

I think it's a little thing that will pay of on future viewings though. I dunno, I think it's pretty cool.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 02, 2010, 06:42:53 PM
That was a really... really really really really bad stupid boring episode.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be rude or anything.  I'm just curious, but why do you still watch the show?
Lamest internet question EVER.

No his question was a good one.
You can say that because fifteen people don't ask you this question every week. I'm not going to explain fandom or fantacism to somebody who thinks passion can only be positive and not involve criticism. I love Lost, but I am not required to pretend every episode or even every season is the best thing ever. I think people who criticize critcism are just willfully ignorant. Try to understand the difference between people who hate something and people who don't like it as much anymore, completely every time, or as much as they expected to.

I didn't say that you were lame for criticizing the show.  It just seemed like a painful experience for you to watch the show, and I was just curious why you suffered through.  All you had to do was say that you actually do like the show, just not the current batch of episodes.  A little bit of civility would save you a whole bunch of criticism.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on April 03, 2010, 05:33:32 AM
There's a few shows that I started watching that over time got really painful to watch, but I figured since I'd gotten as far as I did in the series I kinda felt like I needed to see it through to the end.  (For me Dollhouse was one of those shows.  Felt like it kept having good episodes followed by just enough bad ones in a row to almost make me give up on it, followed by another few really good ones, followed by some clunkers, etc.)

Fortunately Lost isn't like that for me.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on April 03, 2010, 11:37:26 AM
There's a few shows that I started watching that over time got really painful to watch, but I figured since I'd gotten as far as I did in the series I kinda felt like I needed to see it through to the end.  (For me Dollhouse was one of those shows.  Felt like it kept having good episodes followed by just enough bad ones in a row to almost make me give up on it, followed by another few really good ones, followed by some clunkers, etc.)

Fortunately Lost isn't like that for me.

same here. Only show in recent memory I gave up on was Heroes..Glad too..
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on April 03, 2010, 11:57:09 AM
I ditched Heros too...... probably 2 seasons too late.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on April 03, 2010, 12:16:44 PM
I ditched Heros too...... probably 2 seasons too late.

That's a prefect example of one I am still watching but not enjoying for the past season.  Thought the season might have been interesting, but realized I was wrong fairly early on.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on April 03, 2010, 08:10:43 PM
I ditched Heros too...... probably 2 seasons too late.

That's a prefect example of one I am still watching but not enjoying for the past season.  Thought the season might have been interesting, but realized I was wrong fairly early on.

 I watched maybe the first 2 hours then I got behind on my DVR and needed space and I had no problems deleting the 8 episodes that were on there. I just didn't care anymore.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on April 04, 2010, 05:56:02 AM
I ditched Heros too...... probably 2 seasons too late.

That's a prefect example of one I am still watching but not enjoying for the past season.  Thought the season might have been interesting, but realized I was wrong fairly early on.

 I watched maybe the first 2 hours then I got behind on my DVR and needed space and I had no problems deleting the 8 episodes that were on there. I just didn't care anymore.



I spent a day watching them all just to clear space when it was raining out while I was home alone.  I had already watched just about everything else on the DVR that I wanted to see.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on April 04, 2010, 09:59:58 PM
I don't have too many problems with Heroes. It's dumb and entertaining. I can't really take it that seriously, but it's usually not too annoying. My pet peeves are characters who don't do anything, like Matt, Mohinder and Tracy. Mohinder has no business narrating the show, because he never became Xavier-like. He's ignorant and disinterested. Matt is more concerned about his job and family, which is just boring. None of Tracy/Nikki's characters ever amounted to anything. But the main plot last season was great. And come on, lesbian Claire? Hot.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on April 05, 2010, 07:57:30 AM
I don't have too many problems with Heroes. It's dumb and entertaining. I can't really take it that seriously, but it's usually not too annoying. My pet peeves are characters who don't do anything, like Matt, Mohinder and Tracy. Mohinder has no business narrating the show, because he never became Xavier-like. He's ignorant and disinterested. Matt is more concerned about his job and family, which is just boring. None of Tracy/Nikki's characters ever amounted to anything. But the main plot last season was great. And come on, lesbian Claire? Hot.

I think one of my favorite episodes they've done lately was the Matt vs Sylar (however you spell it) one.  But the whole Claire in college thing was annoying, and I'm right there with you on Tracy & Mohinder.  The only thing I can figure is they're going to do something with Mohinder at some point to make him more important. 

But back to Lost!  I can't wait for tomorrow night!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on April 05, 2010, 08:05:47 PM
Uh... yeah, I used to think that about Mohinder... for a few YEARS.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 06, 2010, 08:15:22 AM
Happy Lost Day!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on April 06, 2010, 03:05:58 PM
Happy Lost Day!

And to you as well.  I watch more than my share of tv shows but I don't think there has ever been one where I look forward to each new episode as much as LOST.  I will miss that feeling when the series ends. 

Tonight should be interesting.  I always get excited whenever there is a chance that we will learn something about the whole electromagnetic energy thing.  Since Widmore's geologist mentioned it last week and since Desmond seems to have a special relationship with the whole electromagnetic/hatch/time travel deal,  I've got my fingers crossed!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 06, 2010, 03:14:24 PM
Happy Lost Day!

And to you as well.  I watch more than my share of tv shows but I don't think there has ever been one where I look forward to each new episode as much as LOST.  I will miss that feeling when the series ends. 

Tonight should be interesting.  I always get excited whenever there is a chance that we will learn something about the whole electromagnetic energy thing.  Since Widmore's geologist mentioned it last week and since Desmond seems to have a special relationship with the whole electromagnetic/hatch/time travel deal,  I've got my fingers crossed!

I used to feel that way about Mama's Family.   :'(
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 06, 2010, 08:49:56 PM
Well, tonights show was really awesome.  Poor Desmond, always getting zapped....

Love how they let you think you had things figured out, it was so easy to guess that Desmond was working for Widmore, but then they showed Charlie underwater behind the glass with Desmond on the other side, man, that was something, then the writing on the hand....

Great to see Penny again, for a moment I thought maybe she didn't exist in the other timeline.

Figures Eloise would know something about both timelines.   Now things are really crazy...

Have to wonder what's going on, it can't be that there's a link between the timelines since Desmond and Charlie are seeing stuff that in their timeframe is several months away...   When Eloise said it was a "violation" the way she said it was strange, as if there were rules in place for the alternate timeline....



Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on April 06, 2010, 09:05:10 PM
Good episode but man the island story is moving at a snail's pace lately.  Not much happened on present day island during Richard's episode a few weeks ago and now again tonight we got maybe 20 minutes of island time (and only about 6 minutes of show time).  Fortunately I've been watching Caprica and Stargate Universe lately so I'm used to incredibly slowly paced episodes where the A story doesn't move forward for weeks at a time.  LMFAO
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on April 06, 2010, 09:16:45 PM
Figures Eloise would know something about both timelines.   Now things are really crazy...

Have to wonder what's going on, it can't be that there's a link between the timelines since Desmond and Charlie are seeing stuff that in their timeframe is several months away...   When Eloise said it was a "violation" the way she said it was strange, as if there were rules in place for the alternate timeline....


Well, what's funny is that it is her husband in the other timeline that is thwarting her and breaking the rules. It's funny because Ben also told Widmore that he "broke the rules" or something like that. 

There is a lot about coupling up this ep.  Charlie and Claire, Charlotte and Daniel, Penny and Des, Sun and Jin last episode. Even Eloise and Charles are together in alt world.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 06, 2010, 11:51:12 PM
Here's the poll results:
Who is THE villain on Lost?
Jacob    - 1 (7.1%)
Ben    - 0 (0%)
Man In Black    - 6 (42.9%)
Widmore    - 3 (21.4%)
Eloise    - 0 (0%)
Someone we haven't seen yet    - 1 (7.1%)
Frogurt    - 1 (7.1%)
Other (tell us in the comments)    - 2 (14.3%)

Check out the new poll.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 07, 2010, 06:42:54 AM
Have to wonder what's going on, it can't be that there's a link between the timelines since Desmond and Charlie are seeing stuff that in their timeframe is several months away...   

No point trying to figure timelines out when Desmond is involved!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on April 07, 2010, 07:09:47 AM
Re: poll.  I voted Jin.  It would suck if he never got to meet his daughter (and she never got to meet her dad). 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 08, 2010, 11:35:59 AM
So what did you guys think about Desmond's episode?  He is my favorite character of Lost, and I love everyone of his episodes.  I liked this one, but I thought it would be a bit more mind bending.  Flashes Before Your Eyes and the Constant still hold the title of most mind bending for me.

I still like the flash-sideways concept.  Has anyone changed their minds about them?

After seeing Eloise again, I feel fairly confident that she will have her own episode (don't tell me if you already know).  I think that she is very important because she seems to have as many answers as Jacob. 

I made the mistake of finding out who each episode was about up to next week's episode.  I couldn't resist, but I regret doing it.  It spoiled the reveal about Desmond being back.  So I've decided that I WILL NOT find out who the remaining episodes are about.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 08, 2010, 11:42:12 AM
So what did you guys think about Desmond's episode?  He is my favorite character of Lost, and I love everyone of his episodes.  I liked this one, but I thought it would be a bit more mind bending.  Flashes Before Your Eyes and the Constant still hold the title of most mind bending for me.

I still like the flash-sideways concept.  Has anyone changed their minds about them?

After seeing Eloise again, I feel fairly confident that she will have her own episode (don't tell me if you already know).  I think that she is very important because she seems to have as many answers as Jacob. 

I made the mistake of finding out who each episode was about up to next week's episode.  I couldn't resist, but I regret doing it.  It spoiled the reveal about Desmond being back.  So I've decided that I WILL NOT find out who the remaining episodes are about.

The Frogurt episode in two weeks is gonna be awesome!!!

[edit] Wait, two weeks is the Vincent the Dog episode... THEN there's the Frogurt episode.  We're getting down to the nitty gritty!!!  [/edit]
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 08, 2010, 11:58:23 AM
The Frogurt episode in two weeks is gonna be awesome!!!

[edit] Wait, two weeks is the Vincent the Dog episode... THEN there's the Frogurt episode.  We're getting down to the nitty gritty!!!  [/edit]

Damn you!!!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 08, 2010, 12:39:17 PM
I still like the flash-sideways concept.  Has anyone changed their minds about them?

I've been liking it so far, thought I had a good theory as to what was going on but this episode has me thinking again.  Is all of the flash sideways stuff a result of fake lock giving people what they thought they wanted when they joined his side?  It has been looking like it was just the result of not crashing and not time traveling but now it's looking like something else.  When Eloise said "violation" it got me thinking some kind of deal was made and now Desmond is going to mess it up. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on April 08, 2010, 02:28:57 PM
So what did you guys think about Desmond's episode?  He is my favorite character of Lost, and I love everyone of his episodes.  I liked this one, but I thought it would be a bit more mind bending.  Flashes Before Your Eyes and the Constant still hold the title of most mind bending for me.

I still like the flash-sideways concept.  Has anyone changed their minds about them?

After seeing Eloise again, I feel fairly confident that she will have her own episode (don't tell me if you already know).  I think that she is very important because she seems to have as many answers as Jacob. 

I made the mistake of finding out who each episode was about up to next week's episode.  I couldn't resist, but I regret doing it.  It spoiled the reveal about Desmond being back.  So I've decided that I WILL NOT find out who the remaining episodes are about.

The Frogurt episode in two weeks is gonna be awesome!!!

[edit] Wait, two weeks is the Vincent the Dog episode... THEN there's the Frogurt episode.  We're getting down to the nitty gritty!!!  [/edit]

Your sources are off - no mention of the wild boar ep.
[edit]duh that's the finale - my bad [/edit]
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 08, 2010, 03:54:50 PM
I still like the flash-sideways concept.  Has anyone changed their minds about them?

I've been liking it so far, thought I had a good theory as to what was going on but this episode has me thinking again.  Is all of the flash sideways stuff a result of fake lock giving people what they thought they wanted when they joined his side?  It has been looking like it was just the result of not crashing and not time traveling but now it's looking like something else.  When Eloise said "violation" it got me thinking some kind of deal was made and now Desmond is going to mess it up. 

I think she was implying that if he didn't stop looking for information, the big bubble will come out of the water and attack him.

Honestly though, it would seem like this is all a manifestation of someone or something, such as old smokey, and it's somehow meant to appease people into complacency...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on April 08, 2010, 06:17:39 PM
I don't buy that it's artificial. Desmond's life may appease him, but what about Kate? She obviously still burnt her father to death. Is that her idea of a perfect life? I don't think so. And what about all the mofos getting capped in the Sayid/Jin storyline?

I think it was just Eloise knowing that this version of Desmond's life is good enough that he shouldn't go picking at the fabric of space-time.

I'm more confused as to the "normal" timeline, since it got erased and never happened. Maybe the people who were already there would still be there, but the ones who set off the bomb shouldn't have returned. They should just be dead.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 08, 2010, 08:47:39 PM
I still don't think the normal timeline was erased... I think the bomb going off (or setting off a surge in the electromagnetism, considering they were all right atop the Swan site) simply sent them all back to 2007 where they should have been.

They've never once stated that the whole "bomb = plane never crashed" scenario actually worked.  It's merely the assumption of a third of the viewers.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on April 08, 2010, 09:56:06 PM
I don't buy that it's artificial. Desmond's life may appease him, but what about Kate? She obviously still burnt her father to death. Is that her idea of a perfect life? I don't think so.

Really?  Well, it's not obvious to me.  It looked like Jin and Sun were married and it turns out they weren't.  It looked like Sawyer was still a con man and it turns out he wasn't.  It looked like Locke was alone again but then it turned out he wasn't.  At the moment it looks like Kate is a murderer but I'm guessing in this sideways reality  she's innocent. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on April 08, 2010, 10:17:11 PM
They've never once stated that the whole "bomb = plane never crashed" scenario actually worked.  It's merely the assumption of a third of the viewers.
How is it an assumption? We saw it with our own eyes. The plane didn't crash. They arrived at LAX. Not a huge assumption to think it had something to do with the only thing we've seen established that referenced changing history.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 09, 2010, 12:09:16 AM
They've never once stated that the whole "bomb = plane never crashed" scenario actually worked.  It's merely the assumption of a third of the viewers.
How is it an assumption? We saw it with our own eyes. The plane didn't crash. They arrived at LAX. Not a huge assumption to think it had something to do with the only thing we've seen established that referenced changing history.

Misdirection.  In writing, it's called a "twist"
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on April 09, 2010, 06:31:28 AM
They've never once stated that the whole "bomb = plane never crashed" scenario actually worked.  It's merely the assumption of a third of the viewers.
How is it an assumption? We saw it with our own eyes. The plane didn't crash. They arrived at LAX. Not a huge assumption to think it had something to do with the only thing we've seen established that referenced changing history.

Yeah, I am not sure that it's a third of viewer who believe this. Unless I am told otherwise, I am assuming that Jack is actually Jack, that they actually all were passengers on the Oceanic flight and that the bomb worked and resulted in the plane not crashing (due to the island being underwater which we were explicitly shown) as shown. If you are going to try and start doubting EVERYTHING you are being shown as something that the writers are doing to throw us off, why believe ANYTHING?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 09, 2010, 06:36:34 AM
They've never once stated that the whole "bomb = plane never crashed" scenario actually worked.  It's merely the assumption of a third of the viewers.

Juliet did.  Honestly, if they were going to try to do something like this, they would need more than 5 new episodes.  Also, many viewers are barely on board with the whole alternate reality thing.  If they were to make it more complex, no one would be able to follow it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 09, 2010, 09:28:55 AM
Yeah, I am not sure that it's a third of viewer who believe this.

DarkUFO took a poll.  Of course, they always take polls...   Either way, I still consider it an assumption, just as everyone assumed the flash forwards were flashbacks, seeing as that's all they'd ever been shown by that point.  Writers rely on the viewers just accepting the apparent "obvious" so the reveal will be that much greater... and if there's one thing the writers of Lost enjoy doing is their twist reveals.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 09, 2010, 03:05:36 PM
They've never once stated that the whole "bomb = plane never crashed" scenario actually worked.  It's merely the assumption of a third of the viewers.

Juliet did.  Honestly, if they were going to try to do something like this, they would need more than 5 new episodes.  Also, many viewers are barely on board with the whole alternate reality thing.  If they were to make it more complex, no one would be able to follow it.

Unless they have an episode explaining how Juliet could even know that it worked, I'm not buying that. Of course, they might well do that.

Also in 5 episodes they can really do anything. That's the length of two movies. Think of what can be achieved in that time (there are 7 more episodes to go, btw)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on April 10, 2010, 07:02:09 PM
Fine, so what the hell is it then if not the result of the bomb going off? A story that Hurley is writing?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 10, 2010, 07:36:32 PM
Fine, so what the hell is it then if not the result of the bomb going off? A story that Hurley is writing?

If not the bomb, then something they haven't shown us yet... for example, it could be something done by Jacob's nemesis, as a way of "keeping his promises" to people like Sayid, Claire, etc.

It COULD have been the bomb, but thinking it absolutely has to be IS an assumption, as per the definition of the word "assumption"  ... but if it does turn out to be due to the bomb, they have a bunch of weird oversights to explain in their writing, such as Ben and his dad having "left" the island, thinking about how much better things might be had they stayed.

Now, if I somehow very very quickly rescued my son from hostiles and somehow escaped from an island in time for a hydrogen bomb to go off, obviously sinking the island somehow (a hydrogen bomb couldn't do that)... I wouldn't spend a lot of my time thinking of how much better life could have been had I stayed to drown.

There's seven hours left, and I honestly have NO idea where they are going with it... but MY assumption is that the flash at the end of season 5 was simply another time flash, sending our beloved losties back to 2007, and that the writers WANT us to think that it was the bomb going off so their reveal will be that much greater.

Honestly, if you really want to dive into quantum theory and the many-worlds interpretation of superposition decoherence, then what we are seeing is the bomb thing both working AND NOT working simultaneously, as any and all possible outcomes can and do exist all at once.... Only when there is interference or realisation by the observer is one outcome defined (wavefunction collapse).  (see Schrodinger's theory)

Anyways, my point is simply that there hasn't been anything proving solidly that the alternate timeline is actually due to the bomb, so by definition, it's an assumption.  (Just a semantics argument.)  But it's also an assumption that I personally don't subscribe to until they actually tell me blatantly, because there's too many (or just enough) clues thrown at us that say it's something different.... also due to the fact that the writers on this show have never thrown us something like that at the very beginning of a season.  Their history of trying to make us think things are "obviously what one would assume" only to slam us with a shock that NONE of the flashes in a season were flashbacks at the END of the season....  well, that history is more than enough to make ME assume that what we are seeing is not due to the bomb.

Not saying one is a wrong or right assumption, just that they are all only assumptions, until they prove one or the other... which they have yet to do.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 10, 2010, 11:30:02 PM
Fine, so what the hell is it then if not the result of the bomb going off? A story that Hurley is writing?

If not the bomb, then something they haven't shown us yet... for example, it could be something done by Jacob's nemesis, as a way of "keeping his promises" to people like Sayid, Claire, etc.

It COULD have been the bomb, but thinking it absolutely has to be IS an assumption, as per the definition of the word "assumption"  ... but if it does turn out to be due to the bomb, they have a bunch of weird oversights to explain in their writing, such as Ben and his dad having "left" the island, thinking about how much better things might be had they stayed.

I've been going back and forth on if the bomb just got all the losties back together in the same time or if it was the thing that created the alternate timeline.

All the changes in the alternate timeline could be explained by not having the crash and therefore no losties traveling back in time, so it wouldn't be a direct result of the bomb going off but an indirect change due to there being no button to push, no Desmond to be late pushing the button one day bringing down flight 815, then no crash survivors to travel back and mess with the past.

If the lack of the crash was due to the bomb, then the crash timeline is the primary one and did happen first, and somehow the people involved in it have some kind of link to it.  That's one part that has me thinking it's not the bomb, there's no easy explanation for how the people in the non-crash timeline could suddenly have memories of stuff that never happened in their past but happened in a different timeline.

One more thing has me thinking it's not the bomb, they have been pretty detail oriented on this show, all the props carefully selected to match the date they were showing us, when we saw the island under water everything looked clean, as if it had just been sunk, didn't look like it had been sunk for 30 years since the bomb went off.  So if that was done on purpose it means some other event sunk the island right before the crash, if so that would mean there's something we haven't seen yet that is the real cause of the non-crash timeline.

Either way, not crashing would change things way back in the past, add someone like Jacob or Smokey traveling into the past to set it up then you could also explain all the connections between the people remaining and be a link between timelines.   Or they'll hit us with a new improved theory from Faraday about "constants".  We know there have to be some massive twists coming for us, wouldn't be Lost if they didn't do that.  ;D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on April 11, 2010, 09:54:26 AM
That is all fine and dandy but why was Walt wet when he came to Shannon?

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on April 11, 2010, 01:15:29 PM
That is all fine and dandy but why was Walt wet when he came to Shannon?



Really hoping they get back to Walt.  I've accepted and understand that every little mystery from the last six years will not be explained.  However, The whole 'Walt being taken' thing was a HUGE storyline in the first/second season. Exactly why did the others take Walt?  Why was he special?  Why did Shannon and Locke see him after he left the island?  I trust the producers, but I will lose just a bit of respect for them if the series ends with no closure on this.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 11, 2010, 01:52:21 PM
Why do people seem to like Hurley so much?  The guy's been on that Island for years and he's still twice as fat as a sumo.
How many calories are in a coconut?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on April 11, 2010, 02:30:08 PM
Why do people seem to like Hurley so much?  The guy's been on that Island for years and he's still twice as fat as a sumo.
How many calories are in a coconut?

Actually they were only on the island for 101 days and in that time they had Dharma drops.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 11, 2010, 03:10:29 PM
Why do people seem to like Hurley so much?  The guy's been on that Island for years and he's still twice as fat as a sumo.
How many calories are in a coconut?

Actually they were only on the island for 101 days and in that time they had Dharma drops.

Did Hugo eat everything they dropped or did they also drop a Dharma franchise McDonalds?  Plus it's hot there.  WTF?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on April 11, 2010, 03:14:52 PM
Did Hugo eat everything they dropped or did they also drop a Dharma franchise McDonalds?  Plus it's hot there.  WTF?

He did have a stash of that Ranch Composite dressing:
(http://www.losthatch.com/images%5Cscreen_captures%5CS2E10_Ranch_Dressing_Dharama.jpg)

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 11, 2010, 03:19:44 PM
At what point in the 101 days did the Dharma drops begin?  He should have lost water weight at least.  He's the weak link in the entire timeline of the show.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 11, 2010, 03:21:22 PM
At what point in the 101 days did the Dharma drops begin?  He should have lost water weight at least.  He's the weak link in the entire timeline of the show.

They've brought that up on the show a few times... for instance, on the episode "Dave" in season two(2).  And I remember at one point, he said to Charlie (I think it was Charlie) "I'm a big guy, dude... it's gonna take me a while to lose some of this"
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 11, 2010, 03:24:16 PM
At what point in the 101 days did the Dharma drops begin?  He should have lost water weight at least.  He's the weak link in the entire timeline of the show.

They've brought that up on the show a few times... for instance, on the episode "Dave" in season two(2).  And I remember at one point, he said to Charlie (I think it was Charlie) "I'm a big guy, dude... it's gonna take me a while to lose some of this"

That just proves that even the writers believe that he's too fat to fit the timeline.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on April 11, 2010, 03:24:35 PM
At what point in the 101 days did the Dharma drops begin?  He should have lost water weight at least.  He's the weak link in the entire timeline of the show.

How long before they opened the hatch? That was fully loaded and Hugo was stashing food from that. Then they had the drop.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 11, 2010, 03:27:42 PM
At what point in the 101 days did the Dharma drops begin?  He should have lost water weight at least.  He's the weak link in the entire timeline of the show.

How long before they opened the hatch? That was fully loaded and Hugo was stashing food from that. Then they had the drop.

I'm not sure.  There is also the increased exercise on the island, so Hugo should actually be eating more calories to compensate.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 12, 2010, 07:54:53 AM
Why do people seem to like Hurley so much?  The guy's been on that Island for years and he's still twice as fat as a sumo.
How many calories are in a coconut?

Exactly!  The amount that I like someone is inversely proportional to how much they weigh!

How long before they opened the hatch? That was fully loaded and Hugo was stashing food from that. Then they had the drop.

Day 44
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 12, 2010, 09:31:59 AM
I am saying if I'm on an island where everyone is trying to kill me I'd rather hang around the guy with the brains and the physicality to help me survive.  Hugo has neither.  I don't know what he brings.  He's dead weight.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on April 12, 2010, 09:37:18 AM
I am saying if I'm on an island where everyone is trying to kill me I'd rather hang around the guy with the brains and the physicality to help me survive.  Hugo has neither.  I don't know what he brings.  He's dead weight.
Dude!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 12, 2010, 09:46:07 AM
Yeah he says dude a lot.  They shoulda got a surfer guy to play Hugo. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 12, 2010, 09:48:48 AM
The writers have often commented that Hurley represents the audience.  If there is a question that they anticipate the audience asking, they'll usually have Hurley ask it outright.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 12, 2010, 10:04:21 AM
Why isn't Hugo constantly asking "What the fuck is going on?", "Who is that guy?", "Why does that guy not like him anymore when before they were friends?", etc...?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 12, 2010, 11:45:15 AM
Hurley should have been asking "Why isn't Juliet naked all the time?!" a lot...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on April 13, 2010, 12:28:32 AM
Well, because she's dead and that would be gross, dude.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on April 13, 2010, 06:48:33 AM
He has actually lost weight, believe it or not.  Go back and watch the pilot episode and then watch the most recent episode.  The actor has lost some serious weight.  He just started out with so much and it's been gradual over five years that we haven't noticed but it's really jarring if you look at him then and now back to back.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 13, 2010, 08:55:22 AM
Well, because she's dead and that would be gross, dude.

Gross to some of you... There are some people who would dig that sorta thing.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 13, 2010, 09:23:33 AM
If you already know, DON'T SAY ANYTHING, but I'm convinced that we will see Libby in this episode.

My theory is that she wasn't on the original 815 plane.  There's something that always stood out to me.  When she and Hurley first met, she said that he was rushing on the plane and stepped on her foot, but he didn't remember it.  It seemed like it was a little forced, and her attempt to say "See I was there!". 

I think that she is one of the mystical people we don't understand yet (like Eloise).  Perhaps she was some sort of observer for Jacob, but I think that she knew a lot more than she was letting on.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on April 13, 2010, 09:36:10 AM
If you already know, DON'T SAY ANYTHING, but I'm convinced that we will see Libby in this episode.

My theory is that she wasn't on the original 815 plane.  There's something that always stood out to me.  When she and Hurley first met, she said that he was rushing on the plane and stepped on her foot, but he didn't remember it.  It seemed like it was a little forced, and her attempt to say "See I was there!". 

I think that she is one of the mystical people we don't understand yet (like Eloise).  Perhaps she was some sort of observer for Jacob, but I think that she knew a lot more than she was letting on.

Hmm..  not a bad theory (except that she got shot).  Maybe she knew that hurley was going to be chosen to guard the island all along and has been following him as a "shephard"... oh wait but then what was she doing selling her boat to Desmond? Nah...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 13, 2010, 09:48:22 AM
[Really hoping they get back to Walt.  I've accepted and understand that every little mystery from the last six years will not be explained.  However, The whole 'Walt being taken' thing was a HUGE storyline in the first/second season. Exactly why did the others take Walt?  Why was he special?  Why did Shannon and Locke see him after he left the island?  I trust the producers, but I will lose just a bit of respect for them if the series ends with no closure on this.

He's got the Shining.  They took Walt to use him as a Breaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakers_%28Stephen_King%29).....or maybe to prevent MIB from using him as one.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on April 13, 2010, 06:27:40 PM
 ;D ;D :clap: illana goes the way of Artz.. I love it when people go boom like that. LOL
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 13, 2010, 08:21:36 PM
;D ;D :clap: illana goes the way of Artz.. I love it when people go boom like that. LOL

That was just strange, why was she acting so crazy?  Throwing water bottles into the dynamite bag then dropping the bag?

You think Desmond went a little overboard to show Lock his other life?   

Wonder how many of those wells there are on the island, I don't think that one was the same one that Lock went down to turn the wheel and move the island. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on April 13, 2010, 10:19:31 PM
Good of Richard to let someone else get the dynamite when he's the only one who won't blow up. I know they needed to do that to move the story along, but what a dick. I wouldn't let that mofo lead me to a table at Chili's.

BTW, who the hell WAS that chick that blew up? They did delve into her character even the slightest bit? They certainly didn't bother to this season, so it meant nothing to me. She was a such a buttinski.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 13, 2010, 10:31:23 PM
;D ;D :clap: illana goes the way of Artz.. I love it when people go boom like that. LOL

That was just strange, why was she acting so crazy?  Throwing water bottles into the dynamite bag then dropping the bag?

You think Desmond went a little overboard to show Lock his other life?  

Wonder how many of those wells there are on the island, I don't think that one was the same one that Lock went down to turn the wheel and move the island. 

Yeah, that was definitely not the same well... too much open space around it, and no wood structure over it.

And I think he went to just the right length with Locke!!!  This will maybe also send Locke to Jack's office.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on April 13, 2010, 10:32:42 PM
Well, KILLING HIM is a bit much. Or does Desmond have a degree in Running Someone Over Just The Right Amount?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on April 13, 2010, 10:49:42 PM
Good of Richard to let someone else get the dynamite when he's the only one who won't blow up. I know they needed to do that to move the story along, but what a dick. I wouldn't let that mofo lead me to a table at Chili's.

LMFAO.  But to be fair, Ilana was the butch in their relationship so it's not like he could have stopped her from getting it on her own.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 13, 2010, 11:00:47 PM
You know, maybe Des was trying to kill Lock, does he know about smokey taking his form on the island?  That would be pretty wild if all the electromagnetic stuff that has happened to him is letting him know stuff about the past and future of both timelines.  He was so calm when Smokey through him down the well.

The preview for next week came up before I changed the channel, they really put some bad spoilers in it for both Desmond and Lock.


Yeah, that was definitely not the same well... too much open space around it, and no wood structure over it.

For a moment I was thinking it could be the same since they were in the past when Lock went down the well to turn the wheel, so things around it could have changed, but the wheel was near that darma station so this well has to be a different one.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 14, 2010, 12:34:33 AM
Latest poll results:
Question:      Who would you most hate to see die?
Hurley    - 7 (53.8%)
Desmond    - 3 (23.1%)
Jack    - 0 (0%)
Kate    - 0 (0%)
Sawyer    - 0 (0%)
Ben    - 1 (7.7%)
Miles    - 1 (7.7%)
Jin    - 1 (7.7%)
Sun    - 0 (0%)
Other (tell us in the comments)    - 0 (0%)

Hurley is the overwhelming winner!  I wouldn't be surprised if Darlton killed him just to piss us off.
Check out the new poll.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on April 14, 2010, 04:47:10 AM
Good of Richard to let someone else get the dynamite when he's the only one who won't blow up. I know they needed to do that to move the story along, but what a dick. I wouldn't let that mofo lead me to a table at Chili's.

LMFAO.  But to be fair, Ilana was the butch in their relationship so it's not like he could have stopped her from getting it on her own.

These are two of the best comments I have read in awhile.......
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on April 14, 2010, 05:55:46 AM
So the "Whispers" are nothing more than G-G-G-G-G-Ghosts?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 14, 2010, 07:18:02 AM
So the "Whispers" are nothing more than G-G-G-G-G-Ghosts?

No.  The big surprise in the last episode will reveal that they were really Old Man Withers.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 14, 2010, 07:27:26 AM
(http://www.lakesideamusementpark.com/scooby_shaggy_poster.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on April 14, 2010, 09:00:28 AM
What happened to Jacob and MIB in the alternate sideways world? Presumably they were on the island when it got sunk. So were they just destroyed/killed in that timeline?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 14, 2010, 09:32:58 AM
What happened to Jacob and MIB in the alternate sideways world? Presumably they were on the island when it got sunk. So were they just destroyed/killed in that timeline?

That is a good point, since the island sunk in the past Jacob should have been alive on it...  We probably will not find out about this until they show us what happened on the island in the other timeline.  If they ever do.

For the Poll I'm going with "other", the way Desmond has been acting these last few episodes has reminded me a bit of Jacob, so I'm going with Desmond as the replacement.

But I'm more inclined to think there's not going to be a permanent replacement, the reason Jacob brings people to the island is to prove some point to MIB, what happens if that point is actually proven?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on April 14, 2010, 01:27:00 PM
I said "other" as well. Leaning towards Desmond as well.  (Meaning it'll be Sayid the way this show works.)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 14, 2010, 03:02:05 PM
[quote author=MartyS (Gromit) link=topic=16964.msg541451#msg541451 date=1271262778
For the Poll I'm going with "other", the way Desmond has been acting these last few episodes has reminded me a bit of Jacob, so I'm going with Desmond as the replacement.
[/quote]

Ditto.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on April 15, 2010, 11:56:37 AM
I'll be quite upset if it's Desmond and he is stuck on the island away from Penny and Charlie for the rest of their lives.  Of course, maybe they will end up on the island with him - but Desmond so hates that island that I really don't wish that on him.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 15, 2010, 01:13:53 PM
I've already tired of this poll.  I think we already know how everyone will vote.  Here are the results:

Question:      Who will take Jacob's place?
Hurley    - 8 (72.7%)
Jack    - 0 (0%)
Sawyer    - 0 (0%)
Jin            - 0 (0%)
Sun    - 0 (0%)
Sayid    - 0 (0%)
Locke    - 0 (0%)
Desmond    - 3 (27.3%)

Check out the new poll.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on April 15, 2010, 01:37:47 PM
So what happened to Locke's real body? Did they bury him and where?

@Unabeefer above: Ok couldn't remember it
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 15, 2010, 01:42:18 PM
So what happened to Locke's real body? Did they bury him and where?

They burried him on Boone Hill... Ben gave the eulogy.  ("Weirdest damn funeral I've ever been to" -- Frank)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 16, 2010, 08:40:37 AM
Best quote from the latest podcast:
Carlton: "Is it possible that Desmond is, you know, running over Locke because he's trying to, kind of, catalyze some events?  I mean, he did make a pronouncement at the end of 'Happily Ever After' that basically, he wanted to get the airplane manifest, he had something to show everybody".
Damon: "Maybe he just wanted to show Locke his car".
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on April 16, 2010, 09:18:31 AM
Best quote from the latest podcast:
Carlton: "Is it possible that Desmond is, you know, running over Locke because he's trying to, kind of, catalyze some events?  I mean, he did make a pronouncement at the end of 'Happily Ever After' that basically, he wanted to get the airplane manifest, he had something to show everybody".
Damon: "Maybe he just wanted to show Locke his car".

LOL
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 16, 2010, 12:24:55 PM
How do you guys feel about seeing the clips for the following week's episode?  In my opinion, they may have slight spoilers, but the clip is almost always from the first few minutes of the show.  I feel that it's less spoilery than the promo ad released by ABC.

I am very excited about something I saw in one of the clips for next week (http://www.tvovermind.com/lost/sneak-peeks-lost-season-6-episode-13/22154):
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bus Taker on April 16, 2010, 10:30:30 PM
I know I am just joining the discussion, but does anyone else expect the series to conclude with Hurley staning on the beach saying "I take care of the place while The Master is away."?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 17, 2010, 12:21:57 AM
I know I am just joining the discussion, but does anyone else expect the series to conclude with Hurley staning on the beach saying "I take care of the place while The Master is away."?

LOL, good one, I needed a laugh just now, thanks.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on April 17, 2010, 05:53:57 AM
I know I am just joining the discussion, but does anyone else expect the series to conclude with Hurley staning on the beach saying "I take care of the place while The Master is away."?

LOL, good one, I needed a laugh just now, thanks.

 :D That'd be great! (And it'd piss off so many people who had no idea what it was about)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on April 17, 2010, 06:02:28 AM
I know I am just joining the discussion, but does anyone else expect the series to conclude with Hurley staning on the beach saying "I take care of the place while The Master is away."?

That Reeks of Brilliance!  :clap:
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on April 17, 2010, 06:55:41 AM
I wonder how many fake endings they film just in case things get leaked before the finale?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on April 17, 2010, 09:40:37 AM
I know I am just joining the discussion, but does anyone else expect the series to conclude with Hurley staning on the beach saying "I take care of the place while The Master is away."?

That Reeks of Brilliance!  :clap:

They really should film that and leak it on the internet.  It's not like it'd take alot of time to do.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on April 17, 2010, 03:08:21 PM
I wonder how many fake endings they film just in case things get leaked before the finale?

I'm sure there will be a couple.  But they actually buttoned down last season.  Remember how the big twists in the Season 3 and Season 4 finales got leaked before they aired?  It was so bad that every story beat of the Season 4 finale was known before the episode aired.  The show runners must have discovered the punk bitch who'd been leaking and fired his hot ass because nothing leaked for the finale last season.  I hope the same is true this year.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 17, 2010, 06:05:38 PM
I know Kimmel is supposed to have interviews with the cast members and also air some alternate endings on his show that night (may 23), so I am sure there are plenty of alternates being filmed.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 20, 2010, 01:44:39 PM
I've been thinking about the two timelines, and I think I've got a workable theory.

First off, the two timelines are separate.....for now.

One is the original timeline, and one shows what would happen if the plane never crashed.  I believe that the original timeline will continue to the end.  That end will be bittersweet.  They'll succeed in their overall goal, but a price will be paid.

In the alternate timeline, the characters are getting a sense that they are off course.  They will attempt to course correct by trying to go to the island (perhaps knowingly, perhaps not).  Somehow, they will make it back near the original timeline on the island, but not exactly.  The circumstance will be similar to the original 815 crash.  But it won't be 815.  Not all the same people will be there.  They will still have all the memories of 815 not crashing.  However, it will be clear that they are near the original course.  It will be like the series is starting over, but some of the variables have changed.  They will have the same challenge of fighting MIB and/or Jacob, but this time we will have hope.  We will be confident that they will succeed as in the original timeline, but this time we will be hopeful that they won't make that one mistake or that one person won't die.  We will be left trying to figure out how the end would be different in the alternate ending.

I just don't know how to resolve the sunken island.

In case it helps, here are some MSPaint scribbles:
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4127/timelinei.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on April 20, 2010, 02:42:30 PM
Be sure to enjoy tonight's episode because we're not getting one next week!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 20, 2010, 03:47:10 PM
Be sure to enjoy tonight's episode because we're not getting one next week!

What the heck?!  I didn't know about this before.  Now I'm pissed.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 20, 2010, 03:57:38 PM
Be sure to enjoy tonight's episode because we're not getting one next week!

What the heck?!  I didn't know about this before.  Now I'm pissed.

Don't get too pissed.  One(1) week break out of the whole season isn't bad at all.  No winter break, no standard 3-4 week spring break like every other TV show out there...  I can handle one(1) week before the last five(5) hours of the show.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Lady Rommel on April 20, 2010, 04:20:06 PM
I'm a huge Lost fan.  To give ya'll an idea, I used to sit and make notes.

But they've lost me this season, just can't get into it.  And was so looking forward to it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on April 20, 2010, 08:03:57 PM
So, the preview made me think we don't get another episode until May when we get 4 hours. Am I off?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on April 20, 2010, 09:58:08 PM
So, the preview made me think we don't get another episode until May when we get 4 hours. Am I off?

There is 3 single hour episodes (May 4th, 11th, 18th) then the 2 hour finale on May 23 (which is a Sunday btw).
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 21, 2010, 12:02:56 AM
Poll results:

Question:      What is the relationship between the alternate and original timelines?
Same timeline, but events in alternate took place before original    - 1 (9.1%)
Same timeline, but events in alternate took place after original    - 1 (9.1%)
Alternate and original are separate realities, but equally real    - 8 (72.7%)
Alternate is make believe    - 0 (0%)
Original is make believe    - 0 (0%)
This is the dumbest thing since Jack's tattoo    - 1 (9.1%)
None of the above    - 0 (0%)

Check out the new poll.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on April 21, 2010, 06:23:49 AM
Ugh, I just tried charting this and it's a pain. Too early to be thinking about time travel
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on April 21, 2010, 08:03:18 AM
I guess everybody is going to end up running into each other at the hospital.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 21, 2010, 09:54:07 AM
I guess everybody is going to end up running into each other at the hospital.

So, how does Desmond know how to do all this stuff he's doing to get people together?  He seems to know the future in the alternate timeline.  And the way he is acting on the island you get the impression he knows the future there as well, of course they're trying to make us think that Sayid didn't shoot him so maybe he did...  They are all starting to "remember" stuff that happened in the future on the island (they are only 1 week past 815 not crashing), but Desmond once again is different.  The timeline stuff just keeps getting more crazy with all the connections.

We finally get Smokey admitting he was Jack's and Clair's dad, and there has to be a body brought to the island for him to do it (like Eko's brother probably).    But what about Kate's horse or those Walt appearances?

Did Jack get killed by that blast and brought back by Smokey?  Like Sayid and possibly Clair (when her Darma house blew up).  Also have to wonder if he brought Lock back when he was shot in the pit.  But maybe Smokey is just taking credit for stuff the island does as a way of getting recruits.

And where did that sail boat come from?  It looked new, who was on it?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 21, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
That was Desmond's boat, as far as I can tell...

And as for Desmond being possibly killed by Sayid, I have noticed a strict rule with main character deaths on the show:  If you didn't see them get killed or die, it didn't happen... yet.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 21, 2010, 10:08:38 AM
They are all starting to "remember" stuff that happened in the future on the island (they are only 1 week past 815 not crashing), but Desmond once again is different.

I'm also curious as to why they are remembering things that happened in the future of the other timeline.

And where did that sail boat come from?  It looked new, who was on it?

That was Desmond's boat the Elizabeth.  I guess the others had been taking care of it since they took it from Sun.

I wonder if there will be some odd revelation when they get to reading Christian's will.  Perhaps he left some strange artifact or gave them a message about needing to go to the island.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 21, 2010, 11:30:23 AM
They are all starting to "remember" stuff that happened in the future on the island (they are only 1 week past 815 not crashing), but Desmond once again is different.

I'm also curious as to why they are remembering things that happened in the future of the other timeline.

And where did that sail boat come from?  It looked new, who was on it?

That was Desmond's boat the Elizabeth.  I guess the others had been taking care of it since they took it from Sun.
Well, they've been taking really good care of it, for a boat that's been hanging around the island for at least 5 years?  We never really learned when Desmond got to the island but you have to think it was probably at least a year before the crash.  Oh well, I guess the prop guys are in a rush this season.
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I wonder if there will be some odd revelation when they get to reading Christian's will.  Perhaps he left some strange artifact or gave them a message about needing to go to the island.
I think the will was just a trick to get Jack and Clair together, they needed a way to get Clair more involved with the other losties.   I guess since they haven't talked about still looking for the coffin that they did find it and bury him? 

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bus Taker on April 21, 2010, 01:01:23 PM
I'm a huge Lost fan.  To give ya'll an idea, I used to sit and make notes.

But they've lost me this season, just can't get into it.  And was so looking forward to it.

Simply refer to Kete's chart below and realize it's a temporal clusterf*** that'll take multiple viewings to figure out.  :) Think of it as Star Trek with not quite as likeable characters.  The biggest thing Lost and Star Trek have in common, that is sorely lacking in TV, respect for the audience's intelligence!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 21, 2010, 01:23:38 PM
Well, they've been taking really good care of it, for a boat that's been hanging around the island for at least 5 years?  We never really learned when Desmond got to the island but you have to think it was probably at least a year before the crash.  Oh well, I guess the prop guys are in a rush this season.

After Locke blowed up the submarine, Jacob asked Richard why they can't have nice things.  It made Richard feel bad, so he decided to take extra special care of the sail boat.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 21, 2010, 02:13:01 PM
Well, they've been taking really good care of it, for a boat that's been hanging around the island for at least 5 years?  We never really learned when Desmond got to the island but you have to think it was probably at least a year before the crash.  Oh well, I guess the prop guys are in a rush this season.

After Locke blowed up the submarine, Jacob asked Richard why they can't have nice things.  It made Richard feel bad, so he decided to take extra special care of the sail boat.

Ah, so he took "cleanliness is next to godliness" quite literally, a sparkling clean boat might keep him out of hell....
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on April 21, 2010, 05:13:58 PM
And as for Desmond being possibly killed by Sayid, I have noticed a strict rule with main character deaths on the show:  If you didn't see them get killed or die, it didn't happen... yet.

Yeah, I don't think they would off a major character and not even show it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 22, 2010, 06:03:48 AM
And as for Desmond being possibly killed by Sayid, I have noticed a strict rule with main character deaths on the show:  If you didn't see them get killed or die, it didn't happen... yet.

Yeah, I don't think they would off a major character and not even show it.

Well, since jumping around chronologically is their thing, there's nothing to say they just wouldn't show in the next episode. (I don't for a second think he killed Desmond, by the way, but then I am sure nobody does - so maybe that would actually be an excellent twist? :P)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 22, 2010, 09:25:05 AM
And as for Desmond being possibly killed by Sayid, I have noticed a strict rule with main character deaths on the show:  If you didn't see them get killed or die, it didn't happen... yet.

Yeah, I don't think they would off a major character and not even show it.

Well, since jumping around chronologically is their thing, there's nothing to say they just wouldn't show in the next episode. (I don't for a second think he killed Desmond, by the way, but then I am sure nobody does - so maybe that would actually be an excellent twist? :P)

That's my thought as well, it would be a twist, and show that Sayid is really lost to smokey.

But I think Desmond is too important to the story.  Smokey seems to be operating under "get what you want at any cost", and using it for recruiting, Desmond seems to be set up as the one to point out that the cost paid will probably ruin what you want even if you get it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 22, 2010, 09:28:18 AM
By the way....I was way off about the EMT being Alan Tudyk.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on April 22, 2010, 03:18:11 PM
(http://www.odoe.net/jackfaces/images/runjack_sm.gif)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on April 22, 2010, 03:54:52 PM
And as for Desmond being possibly killed by Sayid, I have noticed a strict rule with main character deaths on the show:  If you didn't see them get killed or die, it didn't happen... yet.

Yeah, I don't think they would off a major character and not even show it.

Well, since jumping around chronologically is their thing, there's nothing to say they just wouldn't show in the next episode. (I don't for a second think he killed Desmond, by the way, but then I am sure nobody does - so maybe that would actually be an excellent twist? :P)

That's my thought as well, it would be a twist, and show that Sayid is really lost to smokey.

But I think Desmond is too important to the story.  Smokey seems to be operating under "get what you want at any cost", and using it for recruiting, Desmond seems to be set up as the one to point out that the cost paid will probably ruin what you want even if you get it.

Yeah, I agree that Desmond is not dead.  Remember, the island isn't done with him yet.  Michael was unable to die until the island was done with him, so even if Sayid had tried to kill him I don't know if he would've succeeded.  I don't think Sayid shot him though.
Regarding Sayid and whether he is really lost to Smokey:  I don't think it's going to be that simple.  Obviously, something has happened to him, but we don't really know what.  We also don't know if he's done changing or if whatever is happening is all said and done. I keep going back to what Jacob told Hurley.  Jacob said that Hurley had to get Sayid to the temple.  Why would he tell him that if it was just going to corrupt Sayid and put him firmly on Smokey's side?  It doesn't make any sense.  And some will say that Jacob didn't know that the waters were cloudy but I don't buy that.  Jacob knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 25, 2010, 08:30:03 AM
Well, it's all over.  They've finished filming the finale.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 25, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Well, it's all over.  They've finished filming the finale.

No sense in watching it now...  I'm out.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on April 25, 2010, 07:28:13 PM
By the way....I was way off about the EMT being Alan Tudyk.

Yeah, I remember seeing the previews for the episode, but I did not have the heart to tell you it did not look like him to me.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 25, 2010, 08:02:49 PM
By the way....I was way off about the EMT being Alan Tudyk.

Yeah, I remember seeing the previews for the episode, but I did not have the heart to tell you it did not look like him to me.

You're too kind.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on April 26, 2010, 03:55:23 AM
Having a hard time knowing there is no new episode this week.  The prospect of a new LOST episode has been the main thing getting me through Mondays and Tuesdays at work.  Off to work now and it's going to be rough.  I'm thinking of watching the LOST rifftrax on Tuesday night. Perhaps I can get through the disappointment with the help of Mike and Kevin.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 26, 2010, 12:44:22 PM
Just a heads up.  Tomorrow, the Polar Beer tshirt will go on sale again at teefury.com (http://teefury.com).  It's only $11 shipped.

(http://www.docarzt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/PolarBeer-TeeFury.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: gbeenie on April 26, 2010, 05:12:54 PM
Be sure to enjoy tonight's episode because we're not getting one next week!

What the heck?!  I didn't know about this before.  Now I'm pissed.

What has two thumbs and hates retarded "sweeps" scheduling?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 26, 2010, 05:29:28 PM
What has two thumbs and hates retarded "sweeps" scheduling?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Back before Internets we (Australia) used to be at least six months behind you guys in television, that meant we used to get all shows straight through. Now the gap is closed (at least on the biggest shows) so we get the same dumb interruptions.

Get your shit together US television.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on April 26, 2010, 08:20:32 PM
Be sure to enjoy tonight's episode because we're not getting one next week!

What the heck?!  I didn't know about this before.  Now I'm pissed.

What has two thumbs and hates retarded "sweeps" scheduling?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'll take a one week interruption over regular sept - may schedules.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 27, 2010, 11:57:37 AM
Just a heads up.  Tomorrow, the Polar Beer tshirt will go on sale again at teefury.com (http://teefury.com).  It's only $11 shipped.

Actually, it's a giveaway.  You can't actually buy it today.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 29, 2010, 08:26:10 AM
I'm hosting a game of Mafia with a LOST theme.  Sign up here (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,17968.0.html).

If you haven't played before, don't worry.  It's easy to learn.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 04, 2010, 07:27:50 PM
Well, tonight was a hell of a show.   8)

Still can't be sure what is going on in the noncrash-timeline, but the connections are getting tighter.  I sure hope that timeline survives, since it looks like there are not going to be very many survivors on the island.

One nitpick: Smokey is a hell of a fast bomb builder, when did he have time between the plane and the sub to stop and build that bomb?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 04, 2010, 07:37:05 PM
Well, tonight was a hell of a show.   8)

Still can't be sure what is going on in the noncrash-timeline, but the connections are getting tighter.  I sure hope that timeline survives, since it looks like there are not going to be very many survivors on the island.

One nitpick: Smokey is a hell of a fast bomb builder, when did he have time between the plane and the sub to stop and build that bomb?

Well he got it from the plane, but still how did he add a timer to it, and reprogram it?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on May 04, 2010, 07:38:36 PM
Well, tonight was a hell of a show.   8)

Still can't be sure what is going on in the noncrash-timeline, but the connections are getting tighter.  I sure hope that timeline survives, since it looks like there are not going to be very many survivors on the island.

One nitpick: Smokey is a hell of a fast bomb builder, when did he have time between the plane and the sub to stop and build that bomb?

Well he got it from the plane, but still how did he add a timer to it, and reprogram it?

He outsourced it to Bangalore.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 04, 2010, 07:48:54 PM
Well, tonight was a hell of a show.   8)

Still can't be sure what is going on in the noncrash-timeline, but the connections are getting tighter.  I sure hope that timeline survives, since it looks like there are not going to be very many survivors on the island.

One nitpick: Smokey is a hell of a fast bomb builder, when did he have time between the plane and the sub to stop and build that bomb?
Well he got it from the plane, but still how did he add a timer to it, and reprogram it?

Exactly, we see him take the watch off the dead guy, and when he shows the C4 to everyone at the plane it's not hooked up to the watch, so he built it while they were on the way from the plane to the sub...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 05, 2010, 06:15:48 AM
Maybe all the man in black did on the island was practice putting bombs together of millennia.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Courtney on May 05, 2010, 06:29:21 AM
Sniff.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 05, 2010, 07:18:15 AM
So they are just gonna clean house and kill everyone until there is one candidate left? Also I hope Frank is OK.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 05, 2010, 07:19:19 AM
No way in hell I'm looking in a spoiler box in a Lost thread this close to the finale.  LMFAO

Speaking of the finale, they've added an extra half hour to it!  So now the series finale will be 2 1/2 hours long.  WOO HOO!!!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 05, 2010, 07:25:14 AM
No way in hell I'm looking in a spoiler box in a Lost thread this close to the finale.  LMFAO

Speaking of the finale, they've added an extra half hour to it!  So now the series finale will be 2 1/2 hours long.  WOO HOO!!!

Really? Nice!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 05, 2010, 07:30:14 AM
No way in hell I'm looking in a spoiler box in a Lost thread this close to the finale.  LMFAO

Speaking of the finale, they've added an extra half hour to it!  So now the series finale will be 2 1/2 hours long.  WOO HOO!!!

Did you watch yesterdays episode? That is what is in the spoiler box.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 05, 2010, 07:44:14 AM
Here's the latest poll results:

Question:      What is the best episode of the season?
LA X    - 0 (0%)
Dr Linus    - 3 (27.3%)
Ab Aeterno    - 4 (36.4%)
Happily Ever After    - 1 (9.1%)
Everybody Loves Hugo    - 3 (27.3%)
Other    - 0 (0%)

Check out the new poll.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Courtney on May 05, 2010, 07:47:27 AM
I wish there were two picks. Everybody Loves Hugo is tied with Happily Ever After. My four favorite characters (Dez, Hurley, Charlie and Faraday) all represented.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 05, 2010, 08:16:07 AM
Seriously though.....

SIGN UP FOR LOST MAFIA! (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,17968.0.html)

We need some more die hard Lost fans to sign up.  It is fun, and it's okay if you haven't played before.

I'm looking at you torso, shadowsog, k1, bob, dangfish, gbeenie, marty, lassie, unabeef...

We need at least another 10 people to sign up.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on May 05, 2010, 08:47:20 AM
For blowing up i gotta go with Arzt..
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 05, 2010, 11:12:55 AM
I went with Arnst too.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 05, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
For blowing up i gotta go with Arzt..

Yup, his might not be the best explosion, but it had the best shock value.

As for that Mafia game, I just tried reading the wikipedia page for it and still have no idea how it's played.

So they are just gonna clean house and kill everyone until there is one candidate left? Also I hope Frank is OK.

It sure looks like they are slowly killing off everyone, with fewer and fewer people left on the island I guess the bulk of the action at the end will be in the non-crash timeline?  

The way Frank was hit by that door it doesn't look good for him.

The rules for how the candidates can die got more complicated last night, so they can't kill themselves individually but if they are all together one can kill all?  How was that situation different from the Jack and Richard situation?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 05, 2010, 11:30:52 AM
As for that Mafia game, I just tried reading the wikipedia page for it and still have no idea how it's played.

If you're still interested:
The "rifftrax forum rules" can be found here (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,5073.0.html).
Once you get your assignment, it's easy to focus only on the rules that apply to you.  If you're a citizen, all  you have to do is vote for who you think is in the mafia.  If you're in the mafia, your fellow conspirators can help you out.
If you still have questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bus Taker on May 05, 2010, 12:30:57 PM
Exactly, we see him take the watch off the dead guy, and when he shows the C4 to everyone at the plane it's not hooked up to the watch, so he built it while they were on the way from the plane to the sub...

Good one Sawyer!  Jack might've been right for a change!

Surely you can get Jin's choice though, not too bright, but that's true love for ya.

Lapedis was a classic "oh shit" monent!

We're still on track for the ending with Hurley on the beach...  ;)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 05, 2010, 12:32:38 PM

Surely you can get Jin's choice though, not too bright, but that's true love for ya.


Well I suppose it'd be a combination of true love & "Dammit, I don't want to go through any more of this insane nonsense on this stupid island".
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Courtney on May 05, 2010, 12:38:10 PM
We're still on track for the ending with Hurley on the beach...  ;)

Seriously. Hugo FTW. With Desmond as Vice-Candidate, bruthah.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 05, 2010, 12:44:56 PM
I think the candidates can't kill themselves, and they can't be killed by MIB.  I think they can kill each other.

However, if the bomb had gone off before Sayid ran off, wouldn't it count as Sawyer killing himself?

Also, since Sayid ran off with it, didn't that count as him killing himself?  Do you think Sayid felt anything when he blew up?

I don't think Frank died.  Since they didn't show his death, I think they just want us to think he died.  I think they still need a pilot.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 05, 2010, 12:49:27 PM
I think the candidates can't kill themselves, and they can't be killed by MIB.  I think they can kill each other.

However, if the bomb had gone off before Sayid ran off, wouldn't it count as Sawyer killing himself?

Also, since Sayid ran off with it, didn't that count as him killing himself?  Do you think Sayid felt anything when he blew up?

I don't think Frank died.  Since they didn't show his death, I think they just want us to think he died.  I think they still need a pilot.

My thinking was that Locke couldn't kill the candidates, but by them pulling the wires and activating the secondary countdown, he didn't activate that, and therefore they were blowing themselves up.

But do we know of any of them that they specifically said "The Island Isn't Done With You Yet"? (I think they said it about Jack, I can't remember who else if anyone.)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 05, 2010, 12:52:07 PM
Why didn't they just run the bomb to the end of the sub in the FIRST place, allowing them at least 3 minutes of surfacing time, so when the bomb blew they would be MUCH closer to the surface with no one in the direct blast area.... allowing them all a chance to brace for the explosion, make sure things didn't pin people to walls, and then they could all swim for freedom...............

Am I the only logical person on that island?!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 05, 2010, 12:56:26 PM
My thinking was that Locke couldn't kill the candidates, but by them pulling the wires and activating the secondary countdown, he didn't activate that, and therefore they were blowing themselves up.
I'm trying to get it to work with Jack's inability to blow himself up.

But do we know of any of them that they specifically said "The Island Isn't Done With You Yet"? (I think they said it about Jack, I can't remember who else if anyone.)
Just Des, I think.

Why didn't they just run the bomb to the end of the sub in the FIRST place, allowing them at least 3 minutes of surfacing time, so when the bomb blew they would be MUCH closer to the surface with no one in the direct blast area.... allowing them all a chance to brace for the explosion, make sure things didn't pin people to walls, and then they could all swim for freedom...............

Am I the only logical person on that island?!
I thought that too.  I still get pissed off about Charlie dying.  Why didn't he run to the other side of the door before shutting it?  Why didn't he even try to go out the window?  Wouldn't the water level stop at the top of the window?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 05, 2010, 01:01:52 PM
Why didn't they just run the bomb to the end of the sub in the FIRST place, allowing them at least 3 minutes of surfacing time, so when the bomb blew they would be MUCH closer to the surface with no one in the direct blast area.... allowing them all a chance to brace for the explosion, make sure things didn't pin people to walls, and then they could all swim for freedom...............

Am I the only logical person on that island?!

Or maybe check for a torpedo tube or something? Anything other than "stand there like idiots"
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 05, 2010, 01:29:21 PM
However, if the bomb had gone off before Sayid ran off, wouldn't it count as Sawyer killing himself?
Also, since Sayid ran off with it, didn't that count as him killing himself?  Do you think Sayid felt anything when he blew up?

Those are my thoughts as well.  But smokey did mention "confined space" more than once, must be a loophole in the rules for when all the candidates are in the same room.   

Could be if Sayid hadn't run off with the bomb it wouldn't have gone off because Sawyer was standing next to it (can't kill himself)?  Sayid may have stopped being a candidate at some point after being shot.   The rules kicked in once he got far enough away from Sawyer, and the rules didn't account for being in a submarine under water (that's why smokey got them on the sub and didn't try to blow them up on the plane). 

The rules for this game are getting way too complicated... ;D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 05, 2010, 02:59:50 PM
Rules can be modified if you stand on one leg, squint, and turn your head sideways.   ;D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 07, 2010, 03:28:15 PM
So Jorge's blog says that Lapidus died.  Although, maybe he's just playing along with what we're supposed to think.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 07, 2010, 06:46:53 PM
So Jorge's blog says that Lapidus died.  Although, maybe he's just playing along with what we're supposed to think.

Yeah hopefully it is just playing along. they didn't show his body and they haven't been afraid to show corpses before.


Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 07, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
So Jorge's blog says that Lapidus died.  Although, maybe he's just playing along with what we're supposed to think.

Yeah hopefully it is just playing along. they didn't show his body and they haven't been afraid to show corpses before.

They never showed Rousseau's.  In a q&a podcast Darlton just did today or yesterday or whatever,
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Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 07, 2010, 07:52:45 PM

They never showed Rousseau's. 

They did. Miles started hearing what he hears and he dug her and Karl up (a bit).

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 07, 2010, 08:19:16 PM
I don't believe Frank's dead because they still need him to fly the plane out.  They're not talking about the plane for the entire fucking season and then we don't see it leave the ground.  No fucking way.  Frank's alive and he's flying, baby.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 07, 2010, 08:26:18 PM
I don't believe Frank's dead because they still need him to fly the plane out.  They're not talking about the plane for the entire fucking season and then we don't see it leave the ground.  No fucking way.  Frank's alive and he's flying, baby.

Face it, no one's leaving the island, they beat smokey, everybody going boom somehow, that does the reset leading to the other timeline where everyone is still alive.  At least that's my latest theory... ;D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 07, 2010, 10:40:19 PM
I left the island... worst mistake I've ever made.  I've been trying to find a way back, and this show has given me a few ideas.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mrbasehart on May 08, 2010, 06:19:47 AM
I left the island... worst mistake I've ever made.  I've been trying to find a way back, and this show has given me a few ideas.

WAAAAAALLLLLLTT??!?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 08, 2010, 05:09:47 PM
I left the island... worst mistake I've ever made.  I've been trying to find a way back, and this show has given me a few ideas.

WAAAAAALLLLLLTT??!?

No, I'm Aaron.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mrbasehart on May 08, 2010, 07:10:56 PM
I left the island... worst mistake I've ever made.  I've been trying to find a way back, and this show has given me a few ideas.

WAAAAAALLLLLLTT??!?

No, I'm Aaron.

Then may I say: Your Mother is hot.  Not the crazy version though.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 08, 2010, 07:36:11 PM
I left the island... worst mistake I've ever made.  I've been trying to find a way back, and this show has given me a few ideas.

WAAAAAALLLLLLTT??!?

No, I'm Aaron.

Then may I say: Your Mother is hot.  Not the crazy version though.

Yeah, got that whole oedipus thing or whatever...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 11, 2010, 08:36:53 AM
Happy Lost Day!

Lost themed T-shirt today at teefury.com (http://teefury.com/) for $9:

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Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bus Taker on May 11, 2010, 01:41:06 PM
I would like to propose a LOST drinking game this evening: every time you hear a gun-cock, take a drink. You can 'enhance' the effect by taking a drink every time Sawyer says "S.O.B." or Hurley says "Dude."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 11, 2010, 02:27:04 PM
I would like to propose a LOST drinking game this evening: every time you hear a gun-cock, take a drink. You can 'enhance' the effect by taking a drink every time Sawyer says "S.O.B." or Hurley says "Dude."

Or every time Locke says, "Hello ______".

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see much of this stuff in tonight's episode.  Perhaps take a drink every time someone says "good" "bad" or "evil".
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 11, 2010, 02:52:09 PM
I would like to propose a LOST drinking game this evening: every time you hear a gun-cock, take a drink. You can 'enhance' the effect by taking a drink every time Sawyer says "S.O.B." or Hurley says "Dude."

Or every time Locke says, "Hello ______".

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see much of this stuff in tonight's episode.  Perhaps take a drink every time someone says "good" "bad" or "evil".

Yeah, I was gonna say... I doubt there'd be much drinking tonight.

Better try that on the two and a half (2.5) hour finale.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 11, 2010, 03:02:11 PM
I would like to propose a LOST drinking game this evening: every time you hear a gun-cock, take a drink. You can 'enhance' the effect by taking a drink every time Sawyer says "S.O.B." or Hurley says "Dude."

Or every time Locke says, "Hello ______".

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see much of this stuff in tonight's episode.  Perhaps take a drink every time someone says "good" "bad" or "evil".

Yeah, I was gonna say... I doubt there'd be much drinking tonight.

Better try that on the two and a half (2.5) hour finale.

Just be careful or the finale will end early and fade to black like the Sopranos for you! (Leaving you very confused about what the rest of us are talking about.)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on May 11, 2010, 07:27:38 PM
Ugh
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Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 11, 2010, 09:38:24 PM
Well, we got a bunch of answers to trivia like who the bodies in the cave were and how smokey became smokey, but mostly we get a bunch of new questions....  3.5 hours to go and I'm starting to get a slight sinking feeling....
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 11, 2010, 09:42:13 PM
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Then may I say: Your Mother is hot.  Not the crazy version though.

Not for me.  I've always found crazy to be very hawt.  Which explains my exwife.  Heh.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 11, 2010, 09:57:13 PM
Still couldn't give the "Man in Black an actual name?  A little bit of back story into those characters really didn't bother me.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bus Taker on May 11, 2010, 10:17:09 PM
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Then may I say: Your Mother is hot.  Not the crazy version though.

Not for me.  I've always found crazy to be very hawt.  Which explains my exwife.  Heh.

Right, my wife doesn't get how I find rugged scary Claire really hot!  >:D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bus Taker on May 11, 2010, 10:19:43 PM
I would like to propose a LOST drinking game this evening: every time you hear a gun-cock, take a drink. You can 'enhance' the effect by taking a drink every time Sawyer says "S.O.B." or Hurley says "Dude."

Or every time Locke says, "Hello ______".

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see much of this stuff in tonight's episode.  Perhaps take a drink every time someone says "good" "bad" or "evil".

Yeah, I propose this drinking game for the only episode that entirely takes place before guns were invented.  :(
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 11, 2010, 10:37:40 PM
Not for me.  I've always found crazy to be very hawt.  Which explains my exwife.  Heh.

I personally want a girl who is EXACTLY River from Firefly.  I find that sorta crazy a HUGE turn-on.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 12, 2010, 06:01:34 AM
I LOVED the episode.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 12, 2010, 06:51:40 AM
Still couldn't give the "Man in Black an actual name?

I kinda liked that he has no name, actually.  It makes him an Everyman.  Once you name something, it loses some of its power and mystery.  Especially if the name sucks.  For instance, I don't care how bad assed a smoke monster you are, if your name used to be Chad, you just don't scare me as much.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 12, 2010, 08:51:25 AM
Anyone know what language the birth mother was speaking on the beach?  Maybe that would give us some idea to how long ago that happened. 

Also, how did mom kill all those people and fill in the well with the wheel?  They skipped over that so fast I didn't think about it until today.  Wonder if she was also a smoke monster?

Now we can see a pattern with crazy moms on the island. 

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 12, 2010, 09:03:15 AM
Anyone know what language the birth mother was speaking on the beach?  Maybe that would give us some idea to how long ago that happened. 


Latin.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 12, 2010, 09:12:39 AM
The word on the street, apparently from the show runners, is that this episode began in 23 AD.  And I think they stated in the episode that 13 years passed and then another 30 years passed, which would make the total time frame 23 AD-66 AD.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 12, 2010, 09:15:50 AM
Interesting theory here I read online:

While playing the game with his brother, Jacob attempts to move a piece sideways, and his brother tells him that he can't do that, adding that when he's in charge of the game he can make his own rules. Jacob is responsible for the creation of the alternate timeline.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 12, 2010, 09:39:23 AM
The latest poll:

Question:      Who is the best at esploding?
Mikhail    - 2 (13.3%)
Dr Arzt    - 9 (60%)
Ilana    - 0 (0%)
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Kate's dad    - 0 (0%)
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Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on May 12, 2010, 09:46:51 AM
The only way that could have been more lame is if Lucky, the Lucky Charms leprachaun had come sauntering out of the cave saying, "Everyone's after me Lucky Charms Jacob. You've got to help protect 'em!" And in fact, I consider what happened last night to really not be that much different from that.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 12, 2010, 09:53:33 AM
The only way that could have been more lame is if Lucky, the Lucky Charms leprachaun had come sauntering out of the cave saying, "Everyone's after me Lucky Charms Jacob. You've got to help protect 'em!" And in fact, I consider what happened last night to really not be that much different from that.

I don't see how any of last night's episode was lame....  Unless you thought pushing a donkey wheel and making the island move was lame, in which case I could see how the entire series would be considered lame.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on May 12, 2010, 10:04:23 AM
Am I the only one who thought the magic sparkly cave was a lame device?  I know at least my wife thought the same thign because when we came to that scene last night we both looked at eachotehr like, "Are you kidding me?" They should have either thought of something better or just left it mysterious.

When Star Wars simply defined hte Force as energy created by all living things it was cool. When they tried to explain it in detail and got into midichlorians it sucked immediately. Lost should have learned from this.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 12, 2010, 10:11:33 AM
It's just an entryway to the same sparkly light that was shining out from behind the damn donkey wheel.  It's the best way they could physically represent a huge pocket of electromagnetic energy...  which could easily explain why Widmore needs Desmond, considering he can withstand giant amounts of electromagnetism that normal people can't.

Probably wants to send Des down into the cave to do something with that source of energy, since anyone else who goes down there... well, we saw what happened.

Didn't seem like a lame device to me... seemed rather consistant to the previously seen scientific crap on the show.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 12, 2010, 10:12:04 AM
I also thought the cave was a bit lame, but I'm withholding most judgments until the show is all over.

Darlton has often said that they weren't going to go the midichlorian route, but I agree that they did travel down that path.

They've said that Stephen King was a big inspiration for the show, and if there's anything that King is good at its getting your expectations high, then letting you down in the end.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 12, 2010, 10:54:57 AM
It's just an entryway to the same sparkly light that was shining out from behind the damn donkey wheel.  It's the best way they could physically represent a huge pocket of electromagnetic energy...  which could easily explain why Widmore needs Desmond, considering he can withstand giant amounts of electromagnetism that normal people can't.

Probably wants to send Des down into the cave to do something with that source of energy, since anyone else who goes down there... well, we saw what happened.

Didn't seem like a lame device to me... seemed rather consistant to the previously seen scientific crap on the show.

Yea, few seemed to complain about the magic light coming from the wheel,  or when the sky changed color during the hatch explosion, I don't see this as any different.   It's been fairly clear for the last few seasons that there wasn't going to be a purely scientific answer to the power of the island, anyone still trying to hold onto that idea can't be liking what's going on now.

Nice idea about Desmond, maybe he can go into the cave without being killed and resurrecting as a smoke monster?

Another thing just occurred to me, the guy with no name removed a stone from the wall to expose the light, and said they were going to make the opening bigger for the wheel.  So, that means the stone wall was already there buried under the ground, right?  Who built that wall?   We need crazy moms backstory now....
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 12, 2010, 11:40:37 AM
Another thing just occurred to me, the guy with no name removed a stone from the wall to expose the light, and said they were going to make the opening bigger for the wheel.  So, that means the stone wall was already there buried under the ground, right?  Who built that wall?   We need crazy moms backstory now....

I don't think it was a man-made wall.  I think it was the last bits of their excavation.

So, I guess that the smoke monster is just able to take the form of MIB after he died (just like he did with Locke).  It makes me wonder if the smoke monster is even the same entity as the MIB (since it's not the same entity as Locke).
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 12, 2010, 12:10:53 PM
Another thing just occurred to me, the guy with no name removed a stone from the wall to expose the light, and said they were going to make the opening bigger for the wheel.  So, that means the stone wall was already there buried under the ground, right?  Who built that wall?   We need crazy moms backstory now....

I don't think it was a man-made wall.  I think it was the last bits of their excavation.

So, I guess that the smoke monster is just able to take the form of MIB after he died (just like he did with Locke).  It makes me wonder if the smoke monster is even the same entity as the MIB (since it's not the same entity as Locke).

Looked awfully well put together for a naturally occurring wall made of individual stones.

Remember crazy mom said to Jacob that going into the cave would make you "worse than dead", is having your consciousness ripped out and turned into smokey what she meant by that?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 12, 2010, 12:17:47 PM
So did the light go out after MIB fell in?  I couldn't tell for sure, but it looked that way to me.

The mother's description of the island is different from Jacob's description of the island.  She made it sound like the island was there to protect the light, but Jacob said the island was there to contain the evil.  Does anyone else think that these things don't mesh?  Did Jacob damage the light, and therefore changed the purpose of the island?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 12, 2010, 12:19:39 PM
So did the light go out after MIB fell in?  I couldn't tell for sure, but it looked that way to me.

I don't think so.  I think it could still be seen a split second after smokey came out. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 12, 2010, 01:01:59 PM
So did the light go out after MIB fell in?  I couldn't tell for sure, but it looked that way to me.

I don't think so.  I think it could still be seen a split second after smokey came out. 

That's what I thought too.  I was just talking about that with my mother at lunch.  I am gonna re-watch it later to find out.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 12, 2010, 01:30:22 PM
That's what I thought too.  I was just talking about that with my mother at lunch.  I am gonna re-watch it later to find out.

You're lucky she didn't slam your head against a rock and break your donkey wheel.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 12, 2010, 01:37:11 PM
That's what I thought too.  I was just talking about that with my mother at lunch.  I am gonna re-watch it later to find out.

You're lucky she didn't slam your head against a rock and break your donkey wheel.

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on May 12, 2010, 02:33:41 PM
I should say that I didn't hate everything about last night's episode but it breaks down to this:

Everything that happened that helps explain what will happen in the next few hours of the show was good. Everything in the episode that was spent trying to explain stuff that happened in past seasons was a waste.

My wife just went off on a tangent about all the time they spent showing how Jacob laid the bodies in the cave and the flashback to Kate and Jack when that time might have been spent exploring more relevant things. Her argument was that they didn't even need to show the arrival of their birth mother, the birth and foster mom killing birth mom since all of that was just rehashed when her "ghost" showed up and told MIB all of it and he went to their mom and confirmed it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 12, 2010, 02:41:21 PM
I should say that I didn't hate everything about last night's episode but it breaks down to this:

Everything that happened that helps explain what will happen in the next few hours of the show was good. Everything in the episode that was spent trying to explain stuff that happened in past seasons was a waste.

My wife just went off on a tangent about all the time they spent showing how Jacob laid the bodies in the cave and the flashback to Kate and Jack when that time might have been spent exploring more relevant things. Her argument was that they didn't even need to show the arrival of their birth mother, the birth and foster mom killing birth mom since all of that was just rehashed when her "ghost" showed up and told MIB all of it and he went to their mom and confirmed it.

If they didn't show that part though, then we'd have entire arguments based on if the ghost was LYING or not...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 12, 2010, 02:44:00 PM
My wife just went off on a tangent about all the time they spent showing how Jacob laid the bodies in the cave and the flashback to Kate and Jack when that time might have been spent exploring more relevant things. Her argument was that they didn't even need to show the arrival of their birth mother, the birth and foster mom killing birth mom since all of that was just rehashed when her "ghost" showed up and told MIB all of it and he went to their mom and confirmed it.

I agree about the flashback.  That was the biggest annoyance for me.  Why are they suddenly treating us like we're dumb and we don't remember stuff?  They've gotten us to come this far, and they should have had a bit more faith in us.  

I think they should have run this episode in the normal format with present day stuff, and flashbacks from MIB's point of view.  They really didn't give us more info than could have fit in a normal flashback.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 12, 2010, 03:31:23 PM
Quote
But then we get to the crucial question - what the hell happened here? And I suspect the meaning of the episode revolves around that one snippet, which I've reproduced up top. The bit where Jacob gives his brother what he's wanted, and tosses him into the Mouth of Eywa.

This, in retrospect, turns out to have been a very bad idea.

Not just because it turns the Man In Black into the Smoke Monster - we knew that was coming all along. But because of what it does to the glowy life essence at the heart of the island. Watch the scene carefully, and it looks as though the glow doesn't come back after Jacob tosses his brother in. And indeed, Rousseau 1.0 warns them both earlier in the episode that if men ever get their grubby protuberances on this light source, it will go out forever. Huh.

And you'll notice, also, that in "Ab Aeterno," Jacob doesn't describe the island as sitting on top of a storehouse of happy glowy soul-light. Instead, he says the island is sitting on a fountain of evil, like a cork, and if the cork is ever removed, the evil will spread all over the world.

So did Jacob screw up majorly by smokifying his brother? Did he pollute the life source at the center of the island forever? Is everything that's happened since then his fault?

http://io9.com/5536860/last-nights-lost-was-cheesy--and-thats-a-good-thing

I liked all of the episode - it was all explainy enough without being too explainy, but still interesting. I really like what they did with Jacob and tMiB. It's nothing like a Lucas explanation, if it was that they'd have spent time explaining what the light exactly was and how it came to be etc.

In the end, a mystery is always going to be more exciting than an answer, and had they not given any answers the viewers would be crying - they can't win. If they can just get through these last three and a half hours without BSGing me, I'll be so happy.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 12, 2010, 03:37:42 PM
The mother's description of the island is different from Jacob's description of the island.  She made it sound like the island was there to protect the light, but Jacob said the island was there to contain the evil.  Does anyone else think that these things don't mesh?  Did Jacob damage the light, and therefore changed the purpose of the island?

I think it's two different points of view.  Susie thinks Jane is a bitch.  Lisa thinks Jane is very cool.  They could both be correct from their individual points of view.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on May 12, 2010, 06:57:04 PM
I should say that I didn't hate everything about last night's episode but it breaks down to this:

Everything that happened that helps explain what will happen in the next few hours of the show was good. Everything in the episode that was spent trying to explain stuff that happened in past seasons was a waste.

My wife just went off on a tangent about all the time they spent showing how Jacob laid the bodies in the cave and the flashback to Kate and Jack when that time might have been spent exploring more relevant things. Her argument was that they didn't even need to show the arrival of their birth mother, the birth and foster mom killing birth mom since all of that was just rehashed when her "ghost" showed up and told MIB all of it and he went to their mom and confirmed it.


If they didn't show that part though, then we'd have entire arguments based on if the ghost was LYING or not...

I argued that exact same thing to my wife but she countered that the adoptive mom could have confirmed it in a manner that we would have pretty much figured was true.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 12, 2010, 07:05:32 PM
Last nights episode was interesting and everything, but why did they tell us this stuff now? Aside from "the source" they didn't seem to talk much about anything relevant.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mrbasehart on May 12, 2010, 07:12:11 PM
I think the problem with judging episodes like this is that they probably rely on the episodes after them to work properly.  One thing I would've preferred is if they cast someone else other than Alison Janney.  She's awesome and all, but she was too well known for me. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 12, 2010, 10:23:21 PM
I wasn't that thrilled with her line reads, really.  Very wooden.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 12, 2010, 11:02:46 PM
I thought her scream when she ran Smokey into the wall was pretty silly so she was a little weak.  On the other hand, I'd never seen her in anything else in my entire life so that didn't distract me.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on May 13, 2010, 02:25:48 AM
I'm so glad that Lost makes complete sense now, FINALLY. You know, except for the TEN THOUSAND QUESTIONS they won't answer in the next three hours.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 13, 2010, 05:41:34 AM
I'm so glad that Lost makes complete sense now, FINALLY. You know, except for the TEN THOUSAND QUESTIONS they won't answer in the next three hours.

3 and 1/2 hours...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on May 13, 2010, 05:59:08 AM
I want to see an hour long bonus tape of the cast/writers simply answering questions

"lassieface219 asks ' What was the polar bears name from the pilot?' Good question. Well the polar bear was called Snowy.. our next question comes from...."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mrbasehart on May 13, 2010, 06:04:16 AM
Did they ever answer WHY the polar bears were there? Or do they file it under "weird Dharma experiments" like all the stations on the island.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on May 13, 2010, 06:05:11 AM
Did they ever answer WHY the polar bears were there? Or do they file it under "weird Dharma experiments" like all the stations on the island.

experiments for Dahrma..
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 13, 2010, 06:22:07 AM
Did they ever answer WHY the polar bears were there? Or do they file it under "weird Dharma experiments" like all the stations on the island.

experiments for Dahrma..

I'm guessing the polar bears were on sale.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 13, 2010, 07:08:05 AM
LOL

I'm so glad that Lost makes complete sense now, FINALLY. You know, except for the TEN THOUSAND QUESTIONS they won't answer in the next three hours.

There's an interview where the show runners acknowledge there are a lot of questions they won't be answering: http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/exclusive-interview-lost-producers-damon-lindelof-and-carlton-cuse-talk-across-the-sea

The one that irritated me the most is that they're never going to show us the other side of that flash forward from last season where Sawyer, Juliet, Daniel, MIles, Charlotte, and Locke were in the boat getting shot at.  It clearly happened in the future so I was looking forward to seeing somebody shoot at themselves.  LOL  Not a big deal, but irritating.

I also love their tap dancing when asked why Jack said the Adam and Eve's clothing was about 50 years old.  Whenever the show runners start tap dancing you know they've just been busted.  LOL
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 13, 2010, 07:53:22 AM
Did they ever answer WHY the polar bears were there? Or do they file it under "weird Dharma experiments" like all the stations on the island.

experiments for Dahrma..

I'm guessing the polar bears were on sale.

It was actually a Polar Bear Wheel, not a Donkey Wheel?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on May 13, 2010, 08:09:49 AM
I also love their tap dancing when asked why Jack said the Adam and Eve's clothing was about 50 years old.  Whenever the show runners start tap dancing you know they've just been busted.  LOL

perhaps Jack is just an idiot. He's a doctor of spinal surgery.. not an anthropologist...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 13, 2010, 08:13:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/_8JBYlNTf-Q&#038;hl=en_US&#038;fs=1&#038
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 13, 2010, 08:21:52 AM
I also love their tap dancing when asked why Jack said the Adam and Eve's clothing was about 50 years old.  Whenever the show runners start tap dancing you know they've just been busted.  LOL

perhaps Jack is just an idiot. He's a doctor of spinal surgery.. not an anthropologist...

True, and in real life this would be explanation enough.  But what the show runners were tap dancing around was the fact that they themselves put those words into his mouth.  You can create any kind of mystery you want if you straight up lie to your audience through a character who's an idiot.  You can do that, but it's not the best way to go in my opinion.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 13, 2010, 09:53:05 AM
I've recently had another thought about finale.

Perhaps there will be a new shipwreck or plane crash.  Jack and Kate and Sawyer become nervous about the new crash survivors and decide to kidnap some of them.  Maybe one of them is pregnant, and they want to give her some medicine....
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 13, 2010, 12:31:31 PM
I like it, but I believe it's just going to be Jack.  The Others will say things like "they're not on Jack's list."  LMFAO
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 13, 2010, 01:03:19 PM
(http://topcultured.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/anti-locke-brakes.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 13, 2010, 01:41:23 PM
Brendan Frasier is amused.
(http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/BrendanFraser2.gif)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 14, 2010, 10:25:24 AM
Here's a post from a DarkUFO forum post.....  I think this says it all better than most anything I've read so far:

Quote
I feel like the writers actually have a much more complete idea of the mythology than we'll ever see on the show. Their mission statement includes the following, some of which they've said outright (repeatedly) and some of which is just strongly implied:

- No reams of dry exposition if at all possible. Hawking's little lecture about the moving island was as close to it as they've come. But for the most part they see the big architect scene in "The Matrix" as a negative model to avoid. Better to hint at something complicated than have a side character sit down and explain it for five minutes in the middle of the show - they feel it isn't dramatic. This is a key reason it's been easier for them to pose questions than answer them.

- No being pedantic about certain things. The question of which mysteries need to be answered clearly and which should be left to our imagination is an interesting one, but I feel like they have some kind of an explanation in mind for almost everything we've seen on the show - they're just not going to share all of them with us. They want to leave a vapor trail of interest when the show is done, like the one that followed "Twin Peaks" (but hopefully not to the same degree - "Peaks" left a lot of people confused and angry with how many questions were open-ended, and even with respect to the fates of many key characters.)

- Characters first. We all know about that, it's like Darlton's mantra. I agree with them, for what it's worth. The mythology on "Lost" is really cool and intriguing, but a large percentage of their audience is in it for the characters and the basic drama, which the mythology only enhances, it doesn't supplant. There are plenty of movies and books where the mythology is primary, and regardless of how fascinating and complex it is, few of them took off to the degree that "Lost" did. The bulk of their audience is in it for stories told on a human scale, not an alternate history lesson on imaginary craphole island. Even a mythology-steeped writer like Tolkein had his biggest successes with stories centered around very sympathetic little hobbits - many of the millions of people that read and loved "The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings" found themselves napping a couple chapters into "The Silmarillion." Ultimately your story is either about the characters or about the mythology; it can't fully be both, and it wouldn't be on a major network for six seasons if it was the latter.

If you want an example from the show, look at "Walkabout," one of their finest hours and the episode that I'm sure was as responsible as the pilot for hooking a bunch of viewers. That episode posed an intriguing mythological question (How did the island make Locke walk again?) but 99% of its running time was devoted to Locke's back story - what made him the man he is. The miracle at the end is secondary to the primary investigation of the man; in fact, the mythological question is even secondary to the CHARACTER question of why he was in the wheelchair in the first place. I think this has always been "Lost"'s M.O. and expecting anything else this late in the game is just not realizing what show you're watching.

--

I was a little perplexed and not sure how I felt about "Across the Sea." There was some really good stuff in it (Jacob's anger leading to what happened to his brother, the mirroring of later island events, and yes the namelessness of MIB). At the same time I was hoping they'd be a little more direct and less myth-making with the major mysteries they addressed, and I was also hoping they'd get into more than they did. But I'm withholding judgment until after the finale, because I feel (I *know*) they are holding more back. Ultimately, however, we're not going to get all the answers we want, and a lot of what we do get will be obliquely hinted at rather than explained outright. I'm engaged in the ongoing process of making peace with that, because I know it's coming and there's nothing I can do about it. So here's to hoping that an official, really deep "Lost" reference book gets published in the not-too-distant future. A canonical adjunct to the show, written as in depth (and non-dramatically, non-character oriented) as possible, would be great by me.

Source of the whole thread (and it's spoilertv, not darkufo... darkufo's just what linked me to it):  http://www.spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=18865&start=0
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tripe on May 14, 2010, 03:50:21 PM
(http://topcultured.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/anti-locke-brakes.jpg)

So, interesting things you learn, as a consequence of posting the above on my facebook page, I discovered an old friend (and former boss) is the director of the YMCA camp that Lost is filmed at.

Funny old world. :)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 15, 2010, 10:24:14 PM
I never can imbed videos, but here ya go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGa5SmvLJdE
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on May 16, 2010, 12:06:23 AM
So if the smoke monster has always been a guy who just wanted to get off the island... why did he immediately kill the pilot of Oceanic 815?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 16, 2010, 01:26:34 AM
So if the smoke monster has always been a guy who just wanted to get off the island... why did he immediately kill the pilot of Oceanic 815?

I don't think that plane was flying anyone off the island.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 16, 2010, 04:56:58 AM
So if the smoke monster has always been a guy who just wanted to get off the island... why did he immediately kill the pilot of Oceanic 815?

He was probably pissed the guy couldn't land the plane in one piece.  "Oh, so you're gonna ruin my chance to leave, huh?  Take this!  TAKE THAT!"

Actually, though, I think we're taking him too literally when it comes to "getting off the island."  I don't think he needs a plane or a boat to get off the island, he needs everybody on the list to die.  At which point he loses his powers and is finally allowed to die.  That's my take, anyway.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 18, 2010, 03:06:11 PM
My wife scheduled my son's birthday party for next Sunday afternoon/evening.    :grr:

We will have polar bear rides and smoke monsters.  And don't forget that sweet frosty Dharma beer.  :)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 18, 2010, 03:08:00 PM
My wife scheduled my son's birthday party for next Sunday afternoon/evening.    :grr:

We will have polar bear rides and smoke monsters.  And don't forget that sweet frosty Dharma beer.  :)

You aren't my cousin's husband are you?!  She scheduled his son's bday party for Sunday also.  I told her I could not attend.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 18, 2010, 03:11:19 PM
Wait a minute....my mom scheduled my birthday party for next Sunday!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 18, 2010, 03:23:38 PM
My wife scheduled my son's birthday party for next Sunday afternoon/evening.    :grr:

We will have polar bear rides and smoke monsters.  And don't forget that sweet frosty Dharma beer.  :)

You aren't my cousin's husband are you?!  She scheduled his son's bday party for Sunday also.  I told her I could not attend.

That'd be pretty crazy if I was.  "So how'd you guys find out you were related?" "Well..."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 18, 2010, 04:17:28 PM
My wife scheduled my son's birthday party for next Sunday afternoon/evening.    :grr:

We will have polar bear rides and smoke monsters.  And don't forget that sweet frosty Dharma beer.  :)

You aren't my cousin's husband are you?!  She scheduled his son's bday party for Sunday also.  I told her I could not attend.

That'd be pretty crazy if I was.  "So how'd you guys find out you were related?" "Well..."

Yeah, weird crazy stuff.

My birthday is the week after the finale.  I am thinking of asking for Juliette or maybe Sun as my bday gift.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 18, 2010, 05:22:16 PM
My wife scheduled my son's birthday party for next Sunday afternoon/evening.    :grr:

We will have polar bear rides and smoke monsters.  And don't forget that sweet frosty Dharma beer.  :)

You aren't my cousin's husband are you?!  She scheduled his son's bday party for Sunday also.  I told her I could not attend.

That'd be pretty crazy if I was.  "So how'd you guys find out you were related?" "Well..."

Yeah, weird crazy stuff.

My birthday is the week after the finale.  I am thinking of asking for Juliette or maybe Sun as my bday gift.

How about Charlotte?
(http://editorial.sidereel.com/Images/Posts/lost_charlotte.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 18, 2010, 07:25:46 PM
The wife & I were cracking up hysterically when we saw this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Nice choice of wall art there Rouseau.


Also, Verizon, WTF? What makes you think I want to see people's text messages on air DURING THE LOST FINALE? Seriously. WTF?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 18, 2010, 07:27:45 PM
Also, Verizon, WTF? What makes you think I want to see people's text messages on air DURING THE LOST FINALE? Seriously. WTF?

Surely they won't have some stupid thing running across the screen during the show...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 18, 2010, 07:31:58 PM
Also, Verizon, WTF? What makes you think I want to see people's text messages on air DURING THE LOST FINALE? Seriously. WTF?

Surely they won't have some stupid thing running across the screen during the show...

The commercial said something like "have your text messages on air during the Lost finale."   :speechless:

*googles*

Ok, here's the deal.  It's not so bad.
Quote
IN CELEBRATION OF THE SIXTH AND FINAL SEASON FOR LOST, ABC AND VERIZON GIVE FANS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY FAREWELL
Selected Messages from Fans will be Used On-Air During Retrospective Special


In celebration of the sixth and final season for LOST, ABC and Verizon will give fans a unique opportunity to participate and say goodbye to one of the most iconic shows of all-time. Fans will need to watch LOST on Tuesday, May 18 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET) in order to get a special short code to text in their farewell messages. Once submitted, you will be sent additional messages asking for your first name, first initial of your last name, city/state, and confirming receipt of your submission. Only Verizon customers are eligible to participate and all text entries must be received within 30 minutes after the special short code is aired on ABC. Message and data rates may apply.

Selected messages and the sender's first name, first initial of last name and city/state will then be shown on-air on Sunday, May 23 during the retrospective special, LOST: The Final Journey, from 7:00-9:00 p.m., ET, which takes a look back over the past six seasons of this groundbreaking show that precedes the highly anticipated series finale from 9:00-11:30 p.m. E.T.

Whew!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on May 18, 2010, 07:48:54 PM
Yeah, no way would they allow lame lol-speak texts during the show.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 18, 2010, 08:18:23 PM
Also, Verizon, WTF? What makes you think I want to see people's text messages on air DURING THE LOST FINALE? Seriously. WTF?

Surely they won't have some stupid thing running across the screen during the show...

The commercial said something like "have your text messages on air during the Lost finale."   :speechless:

*googles*

Ok, here's the deal.  It's not so bad.
Quote
IN CELEBRATION OF THE SIXTH AND FINAL SEASON FOR LOST, ABC AND VERIZON GIVE FANS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY FAREWELL
Selected Messages from Fans will be Used On-Air During Retrospective Special


In celebration of the sixth and final season for LOST, ABC and Verizon will give fans a unique opportunity to participate and say goodbye to one of the most iconic shows of all-time. Fans will need to watch LOST on Tuesday, May 18 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET) in order to get a special short code to text in their farewell messages. Once submitted, you will be sent additional messages asking for your first name, first initial of your last name, city/state, and confirming receipt of your submission. Only Verizon customers are eligible to participate and all text entries must be received within 30 minutes after the special short code is aired on ABC. Message and data rates may apply.

Selected messages and the sender's first name, first initial of last name and city/state will then be shown on-air on Sunday, May 23 during the retrospective special, LOST: The Final Journey, from 7:00-9:00 p.m., ET, which takes a look back over the past six seasons of this groundbreaking show that precedes the highly anticipated series finale from 9:00-11:30 p.m. E.T.

Whew!


Wow! So with Kimmel, this is going to be a 5 1/2 hour show!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 18, 2010, 10:17:53 PM
My wife scheduled my son's birthday party for next Sunday afternoon/evening.    :grr:

We will have polar bear rides and smoke monsters.  And don't forget that sweet frosty Dharma beer.  :)

You aren't my cousin's husband are you?!  She scheduled his son's bday party for Sunday also.  I told her I could not attend.

That'd be pretty crazy if I was.  "So how'd you guys find out you were related?" "Well..."

Yeah, weird crazy stuff.

My birthday is the week after the finale.  I am thinking of asking for Juliette or maybe Sun as my bday gift.

How about Charlotte?
(http://editorial.sidereel.com/Images/Posts/lost_charlotte.jpg)


Mmmm, yeah... I'll take her.  THAT is what I want for my bday. (or at least the actress.  I think the character is annoying, but the actress is awesome!!!)   Yep.  Happy bday to me.  Now give me Charlotte!!!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 18, 2010, 11:18:27 PM
I am going to DVR the whole thing then watch it all commercial free. I am taking the next day off so I can stay up.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 19, 2010, 04:38:49 AM
Mmmm, yeah... I'll take her.  THAT is what I want for my bday. (or at least the actress.  I think the character is annoying, but the actress is awesome!!!)   Yep.  Happy bday to me.  Now give me Charlotte!!!

The actress is quite attractive but she got SO whiny when the show runners blamed her for Charlotte's age fuckup that it turned me off.  Sure, she was right and they were wrong but there were better ways to handle it than a Facebook cryfest.  LMFAO
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 19, 2010, 07:26:04 AM
I disagree about Charlotte.  The only image I ever have of her is:

(http://www.seaslugteam.com/caps/other/charlotte_nosebleed.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 19, 2010, 09:03:37 AM
Latest poll results:

Question:      How do you feel about the direction this thing is heading?
I've lost all hope    - 0 (0%)
I have my doubts    - 2 (11.8%)
I'm a little worried, but I still trust them    - 11 (64.7%)
This is still the best thing ever    - 4 (23.5%)

Check out the new poll
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 19, 2010, 09:04:27 AM
still seeing the old one...  ??? Nevermind.

I'm going to wait til after I've seen the finale before I answer.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 19, 2010, 09:08:11 AM
I disagree about Charlotte.  The only image I ever have of her is:

(http://www.seaslugteam.com/caps/other/charlotte_nosebleed.jpg)

And how is that not hot?!  That's how I like em.  Unconscious and bleeding from the face.

Okay, so maybe not so much....  but I'd still take her.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 19, 2010, 09:16:58 AM
still seeing the old one...  ???

Sorry.  I post the old one, then it takes me a moment to write the new one.

In addition to our poll.  Let's do a List of Crap for the final week.
Mini LoC: The Top 10 Most Impactful Moments of LOST

PM me with your top 10 list by Saturday night ( May 22 at 11:59pm Pacific Time), and I'll try to post the results on Sunday.  These moments can be the happiest, the saddest, or the most game changing moments of the show. 
Typical LoC rules apply: your #1 will get 10 points, #2 9, etc.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on May 19, 2010, 12:52:18 PM
Mmmm, yeah... I'll take her.  THAT is what I want for my bday. (or at least the actress.  I think the character is annoying, but the actress is awesome!!!)   Yep.  Happy bday to me.  Now give me Charlotte!!!

The actress is quite attractive but she got SO whiny when the show runners blamed her for Charlotte's age fuckup that it turned me off.  Sure, she was right and they were wrong but there were better ways to handle it than a Facebook cryfest.  LMFAO

What's all this?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 19, 2010, 01:25:03 PM
Mmmm, yeah... I'll take her.  THAT is what I want for my bday. (or at least the actress.  I think the character is annoying, but the actress is awesome!!!)   Yep.  Happy bday to me.  Now give me Charlotte!!!

The actress is quite attractive but she got SO whiny when the show runners blamed her for Charlotte's age fuckup that it turned me off.  Sure, she was right and they were wrong but there were better ways to handle it than a Facebook cryfest.  LMFAO

What's all this?

http://www.tvovermind.com/tv-news/lost/trouble-on-the-island-deceased-lost-beauty-accuses-former-bosses-of-cover-up
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 19, 2010, 01:27:31 PM
That whole age thing made me lose SO much faith in that show... how can I believe they know what they are doing, when they can't even get a simple issue like a secondary character's age correct?!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 19, 2010, 01:46:32 PM
That whole age thing made me lose SO much faith in that show... how can I believe they know what they are doing, when they can't even get a simple issue like a secondary character's age correct?!

Well to be fair they were dealing with dozens of characters who were traveling through time...so I can overlook minor errors like this.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on May 19, 2010, 02:55:21 PM
I think he was joking....

If not, that's how I read everything. Highly Sarcastic
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 19, 2010, 03:23:54 PM
I think he was joking....

If not, that's how I read everything. Highly Sarcastic


Yeah, I was definitely being sarcastic... or at least sardonic and facetious.  Right now though, I am not.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 19, 2010, 03:51:40 PM
I forgot to bring this up....Yay!  Zoe's dead!  Did anyone else cheer when she died?

Do you guys think that Richard is dead?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 19, 2010, 04:03:42 PM
I forgot to bring this up....Yay!  Zoe's dead!  Did anyone else cheer when she died?

Do you guys think that Richard is dead?

No, I gasped - but I am glad. Boy did I hate her.

And I really doubt it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 19, 2010, 04:09:09 PM
I said "YAY!" when Zoe died... she was just annoying.

...and I also doubt Richard's dead.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 19, 2010, 05:21:18 PM
I think he was joking....

If not, that's how I read everything. Highly Sarcastic


Yeah, I was definitely being sarcastic... or at least sardonic and facetious.  Right now though, I am not.

Unless...you are?  :-\
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 19, 2010, 06:32:30 PM
If Richard is dead, that was a pretty crappy way to end a cool character.  It was half of an offscreen death.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 19, 2010, 06:44:19 PM
If Richard is dead, that was a pretty crappy way to end a cool character.  It was half of an offscreen death.

I though Richard couldn't die.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 19, 2010, 07:10:37 PM
What if that only lasts until Jacob's gone, though?  What if RIchard is laying there all jacked up and would have healed if Jacob stuck around but now that Jacob has departed forever the magic is gone?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 19, 2010, 07:15:05 PM
What if that only lasts until Jacob's gone, though?  What if RIchard is laying there all jacked up and would have healed if Jacob stuck around but now that Jacob has departed forever the magic is gone?

I can't imagine they would gloss over it though - Richard's a popular character.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 19, 2010, 07:25:42 PM
If Richard is dead, that was a pretty crappy way to end a cool character.  It was half of an offscreen death.

I though Richard couldn't die.

I think the crazy rule was that he didn't age and couldn't kill himself, but could be killed.   If he is dead now it was kind of a letdown to end his character that way, but his purpose on the island was pretty much over.

I really have no clue now what Desmond's final goal is in the non-crash timeline.  Maybe it's his connection between the timelines that is the "fail-safe" somehow.


Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on May 20, 2010, 07:48:47 AM
Desmond is a constant, if I remember from Season 4


I soooooo cheered when Zoe died. There were a lot of annoying women this season. Although I also cheered when Widmore died, I never liked him.


I doubt Richard is dead, but I also have a feeling Jack isn't the "Chosen one"....not yet anyway. I mean, they had a preview showing Sawyer with the wine bottle Jacob's mom had when she made him drink.....

Also, I think Widmore told Locke the info a little too easily. Perhaps Jacob predicted Locke would use Desmond to blow up the island. Locke is playing right into his game (remember this is Jacob's game now and he can make all the rules)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 20, 2010, 08:20:38 AM
I bet that Ben killed Widmore so he wouldn't share the info with Locke...not because he's bad.  Perhaps he also didn't believe Widmore and thought he was an unneeded risk.  I bet that he gave Miles the walkie so that Miles could get info from Widmore's body and pass it on to Ben.  Maybe while Miles is talking to Widmore, he could ask Zoe why she's so lame.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dignan on May 20, 2010, 08:51:33 AM
Miles is still the only regular cast member who hasn't talked to Locke.  None of the recaps I've read have seemed to notice that. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 20, 2010, 09:00:42 AM
Great point!  I also love the theory about Miles talking to dead Widmore.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 20, 2010, 09:11:22 AM
Sizzle Alert: LOST with Sarah Silverman (NSFW mostly for language)

http://www.youtube.com/v/WM5wf_QpT-w&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 20, 2010, 09:20:05 AM
LATE NIGHT TOP TEN SPOILERS for the LOST FINALE:

http://www.youtube.com/v/TYOJK6C4ijY
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 20, 2010, 09:27:23 AM
Anyone going to this tonight:

(http://www.gqti.com/images/10-FEMK-928_LOST_480x270.jpg)

I would go if I knew about it earlier.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 20, 2010, 10:33:26 AM
Anyone going to this tonight:

(http://www.gqti.com/images/10-FEMK-928_LOST_480x270.jpg)

I would go if I knew about it earlier.


I just might go.  Then again, I might not...

I'll get back to you.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 22, 2010, 03:58:41 PM
Well....so far, no one submitted anything for the LoC.  That's okay, I'll be busy making food for the finale.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 22, 2010, 04:10:58 PM
I didn't go to the thing.... I'm sure it'll end up online eventually anyways. (or on the DVD)

Looking forward to tomorrow!!!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 22, 2010, 07:49:53 PM
Jimmy Kimmel FTW:

http://www.youtube.com/v/di3w1yV4Ehg
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 22, 2010, 08:00:13 PM
Jimmy Kimmel FTW:

http://www.youtube.com/v/di3w1yV4Ehg

I wish this video was longer. I'm just as psyched for Kimmel's Lost special.

"Shhh. I f****d your son's dog!"
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on May 23, 2010, 12:09:48 PM
I don't care for Kimmel but his lost stuff is hilarious! The censor one is priceless..
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 23, 2010, 05:04:30 PM
So how is everyone watching tonight? Live or time-shifted? 

I am going for the time shift which means at 9:00 (eastern) I am off the internet so that I don't catch any spoilers. I am DVR-ing the whole shebang and will start watching at about 9:30. First the recap then the finale. If I am not too tired then I'll watch Kimmel as well.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on May 23, 2010, 05:10:28 PM
Watching it live right now. oh look a Prince of Persia commercial.


those farewell texts are kinda dumb
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 23, 2010, 06:12:36 PM
Wooo.  I got the signal to come in on my tv set.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 23, 2010, 06:40:21 PM
Dvr-ing it. Hoping to watch it tonight, but the wife and I are pretty exhausted now that our sons bday party is over and both kids are finally in bed. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Courtney on May 23, 2010, 07:49:16 PM
Anyone else a complete crying disaster?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 23, 2010, 08:37:01 PM
Anyone else a complete crying disaster?

I cried. And that doesn't happen a lot.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Courtney on May 23, 2010, 08:51:03 PM
I'm getting the feeling on Facebook that people seem to think

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I liked it. I thought it was fitting. And damn tearjerking.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on May 23, 2010, 08:59:07 PM
I'm getting the feeling on Facebook that people seem to think

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I liked it. I thought it was fitting. And damn tearjerking.

That was what I thought as well..... Except for the tear jerking part
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 23, 2010, 09:07:05 PM
Anyone else a complete crying disaster?

Yea, all those reunions had me cry'n like a baby...

Not sure what to say about the ending, I guess we have to take what Christian said as to what the flash sideways was.  I had a momentary bad flashback to Titanic but then they went back to the island and Jack.

I was right about Desmond being able to go into the light without becoming a smoke monster. I didn't think they would explain the light, but damn them they created a whole new load of questions about it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Compound on May 23, 2010, 09:51:14 PM
I'm getting the feeling on Facebook that people seem to think

Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Except...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Still, I could be wrong. I was half watching it and half watching the Lost Rifftrax at the same time. And occasionally checking Celebrity Apprentice too.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 23, 2010, 09:56:23 PM
Still, I could be wrong. I was half watching it and half watching the Lost Rifftrax at the same time. And occasionally checking Celebrity Apprentice too.

And you call yourself a Lost fan!  ;)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on May 23, 2010, 10:00:20 PM
I like the fact that...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Compound on May 23, 2010, 10:05:54 PM
Still, I could be wrong. I was half watching it and half watching the Lost Rifftrax at the same time. And occasionally checking Celebrity Apprentice too.

And you call yourself a Lost fan!  ;)

Actually I don't. I still haven't finished the 2nd disc of the 1st Season's DVD set. But I wanted to see if it ended coherently or if it ended with Ken Griffey Jr showing up with donuts for everyone.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 23, 2010, 10:38:58 PM
Those that think the images of the crash at the end are to show they all died need to look closer, there are footprints and other signs of life around the wreckage.

So, they were all connected by Jacob in real life, all the crazy stuff on the island was real, and the flash sideways was their death dream that they had to let go of to move on.  Those not in the church at the end were not ready to move on yet.

Not bad science fiction writing to leave a bunch of stuff hanging out there, lets you use your imagination to fill in the answers, but this was a bit much.  I'm going with something like the light was what powered the death dreams, they kept saying that if the light went out or the island got destroyed it would be the end of all of them, I take that to mean there would be no "moving on" without the light.  People using little bits of the power from the light were what created all the supernatural stuff that happened.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 23, 2010, 10:52:12 PM
So how did the food drops happen again?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 23, 2010, 11:37:54 PM
LOL  File that question with "What was the big deal with Aaron" and "Why was Walt so powerful."

I liked it a lot.  It was an epic finale to an epic season.  But now that we know the meaning behind the flash sideways it's clear that most of them were pointless.  They could have gotten the point across with two or three episodes' worth of flash sideways.  We didn't need a whole damned season of them to get the point.  So they feel like filler for most of the season.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: alphaman on May 24, 2010, 12:05:33 AM
So how did the food drops happen again?
Starbuck dropped 'em when she plugged in the numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42 happen to match up with the theme from all along the watchtower, doncha know).

Btw, good ending.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 24, 2010, 12:07:21 AM
I liked it a lot.  It was an epic finale to an epic season.  But now that we know the meaning behind the flash sideways it's clear that most of them were pointless.  They could have gotten the point across with two or three episodes' worth of flash sideways.  We didn't need a whole damned season of them to get the point.  So they feel like filler for most of the season.

I was thinking the same thing while watching the ads for the series on disc.  It was fun to watch the flash sideways while it was still a mystery as to what was going on, now that we know what it was I don't have much of an urge to buy the set and watch it again...  Basically you've got a redundant character development plot-line several seasons after they already established the characters...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 24, 2010, 02:14:40 AM
I really think that me being a David Lynch fanatic has helped me to accept having a lot of "unanswered" things to ponder over for decades to come...

Honestly, watching this finale only made me think back to the simplicity of season one(1), and why I got into the show in the first place.  It was before a lot of the mythology stuff really started appearing and focused more than anything on the characters, their growth... their journey through their lives up to that point and so on.  I used to explain it to my sister as "2/3 character development, and 1/3 plot", the character development being both on island and in flashes.

The finale was perfect IMO because it sealed up simply what the show started with.

---

To get all metaphysical or whatever, it really is a good analogy for life.  There's so many things in our own lives that we spend so much energy and time focusing on and worrying about and trying to interpret or make sense of, but in the grand scheme of things (viewing our entire life as a whole) it's really so very insignificant or unimportant.  "But did that bird really scream out Hurley's name?!"  Who cares?? What does it matter to the whole scope of it all if the bird did or didn't?!  After seeing the end, that bird really doesn't make one difference.  For all we know, or for all it matters, that was the smoke monster... or it could have just been a bird...  KNOWING that answer doesn't change anything in my understanding of the story.

Okay, done ranting.  I loved it.

Oh and two things:
1) About Aaron being special, in a very VERY recent interview with Darlton, they mention that...  They pointed out that the one person who stated Aaron was so special was the psychic, who later revealed (in an Eko episode) that he was a complete fraud.  Aaron was special to the Others simply because he was born on the island and didn't die.  Aside from that, nothing all that magical.
LOTS of stuff like that really can be sorta easily figured out by re-watching and putting the pieces together, I guess.  I've been catching more when I watch with my sister (who is on season 3 right now)
2) From what I hear (I think in that same interview), there will be a feature on the season 6 DVD about all the unanswered little things that Darlton never really meant to be such a huge deal but that the fans all grabbed hold of, such as the Hurley bird and things like that.  Also, hopefully will explain a few things that they may have meant to be a decent deal but never fully explained too... but that they just didn't feel was ultimately necessary to explain to get their point across.
I guess a sorta "Don't sweat the small stuff" sort of thing.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bratpop on May 24, 2010, 03:48:38 AM
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it really is a good analogy for life.
A GOOD analogy for life wouldn't take six years to recite. People tend to walk away from you when you talk for that long. This was merely an overblown, pretentious analogy for life.

It's basically every single "stranded on an island" story ever written, except that it took them forever and through too much convolution to have the characters say, "Boy, that was an important experience." No sh*t! But it wasn't any deeper than Lord of the Flies or Castaway or Gilligan's Island. It was just weirder, purely for the sake of shock, without any thought put into it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on May 24, 2010, 04:27:01 AM
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it really is a good analogy for life.
A GOOD analogy for life wouldn't take six years to recite. People tend to walk away from you when you talk for that long. This was merely an overblown, pretentious analogy for life.

It's basically every single "stranded on an island" story ever written, except that it took them forever and through too much convolution to have the characters say, "Boy, that was an important experience." No sh*t! But it wasn't any deeper than Lord of the Flies or Castaway or Gilligan's Island. It was just weirder, purely for the sake of shock, without any thought put into it.

"Your opinion is different from mine, so you are stupid"

I think that will be the sum of the Facebook "debates" throughout the week.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on May 24, 2010, 05:20:35 AM
My wife and I were arguing afterwards about what happened.
I assume since this aired last night and the topic line says "spoilers" that I can dispense with the spoiler hidey thing.

She thought that everyone died in the crash and that this whole thing has been some purgatory way to work through the problems they had to overcome.

I thought that what happened on the island really happened, but that somehow being on the island made them able to find eachother in the afterlife and come together (except Eko, Ana Lucia, Walt, Michael and others).
* * * * *
There are problems with either. If they did really crash we still don't know what the heck the island really is or much anything about it.

If they all died in the initial Oceanic 815 crash, why would they all be spending so much time together? They knew eachotehr as well as I know the people who happen to be on the same flight as me so why would Christian say that they time spent with these other people was the most important time of Jack's life?

I felt like it was a bit of a cop-out.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 24, 2010, 05:42:34 AM
So how did Jack get out of the cave once the water started coming back in & get into the jungle?  Wasn't the rope pulled out of the cave?  Did he swim up the waterfall?  ???
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 24, 2010, 06:12:53 AM
I assume it was the same way the man in black's body got out after his soul became the smoke monster.

I really think that me being a David Lynch fanatic has helped me to accept having a lot of "unanswered" things to ponder over for decades to come...

I enjoyed the awesome six year ride we've just finished.  It was a great ride.  And, unlike BSG, I'll be collecting this on DVD and rewatching it many times over the years.  But having said that, I'm not pondering shit for decades to come.  I mean, I heard the show runners say there will be things the fans can debate for years to come and I say NO to that.  If the show couldn't be bothered to address certain things, I'm not going to waste my time on them.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 24, 2010, 06:42:12 AM
I get that the side world was some sort of afterlife, but why weren't they aware of it, and why was it imperfect...if they created it as Christian said, why wouldn't they make is a paradise?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on May 24, 2010, 06:43:47 AM
So how did Jack get out of the cave once the water started coming back in & get into the jungle?  Wasn't the rope pulled out of the cave?  Did he swim up the waterfall?  ???


Silly boy, he ended up in the same tree that the "man with no name" ended up in after the cave tossed him out (at least it looked like the same tree to me).

I was more concerned how Richard found time to shave before boarding the plane leaving.

I am amazed that people want EVERYTHING explained to them in full detail on every minute detail of the show.   Everything in real life is not fully explained, why should everything on a TV show.   I am sure there are people who watched the show and obscessed over ever nit picking detail of quirk of the island and demanded that this be explained in full on the final show.   That is what my brain is for, to decide for myself what some of the items really meant.  

That is why I liked the way that both Buffy and Angel ended... they showed you stuff up until the final minute, focused on the main character's face, saw them react, and let you decide what happens next.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 24, 2010, 06:55:42 AM
Tree?  You mean rock, right?  They both ended up on a rock?  Or did I miss a tree?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 24, 2010, 07:02:58 AM
She thought that everyone died in the crash and that this whole thing has been some purgatory way to work through the problems they had to overcome.

The producers have said that's not the case.



I liked it!

The only thing I would have really liked is some Walt closure. :/
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Courtney on May 24, 2010, 07:19:49 AM
I get that the side world was some sort of afterlife, but why weren't they aware of it, and why was it imperfect...if they created it as Christian said, why wouldn't they make is a paradise?

It was kind of like a dream world, where it's similar to real life but there's a lot of differences that make it just a little bit off. That's how I took it.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 24, 2010, 07:36:02 AM
I get that the side world was some sort of afterlife, but why weren't they aware of it, and why was it imperfect...if they created it as Christian said, why wouldn't they make is a paradise?

It was kind of like a dream world, where it's similar to real life but there's a lot of differences that make it just a little bit off. That's how I took it.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I forgot he said that. And on a off note...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on May 24, 2010, 07:39:58 AM
Tree?  You mean rock, right?  They both ended up on a rock?  Or did I miss a tree?

Well, there were trees and shrubbery around the rocks.......
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on May 24, 2010, 07:40:35 AM
She thought that everyone died in the crash and that this whole thing has been some purgatory way to work through the problems they had to overcome.

The producers have said that's not the case.

The producers comments in an interview does not mean much. They've said stuff would or wouldn't happen on the show that was alter contradicted. I don't know why people think that the producers would answer any of these questions honestly and give away something that is going to happen or not happen on the show.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 24, 2010, 07:56:05 AM
Tree?  You mean rock, right?  They both ended up on a rock?  Or did I miss a tree?

Well, there were trees and shrubbery around the rocks.......

Okay, well I wasn't busting your balls, I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.  LOL
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 24, 2010, 08:00:53 AM
So when does the spin off start where Hurley & Ben are roommates?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on May 24, 2010, 08:29:14 AM
I think a way totally better ending would have been if they all got into a spaceship and went back to the home planet to defeat the evil Lord Xenu becuase the island has cleansed everyone of their Thetans, proving once and for all that this was an introduction to scientology the whole time!  :highfive:
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tripe on May 24, 2010, 08:30:52 AM
I think a way totally better ending would have been if they all got into a spaceship and went back to the home planet to defeat the evil Lord Xenu becuase the island has cleansed everyone of their Thetans, proving once and for all that this was an introduction to scientology the whole time!  :highfive:

Well done for describing the $cientologist's position of Xenu correctly, it's rare to see that. ;)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on May 24, 2010, 08:32:03 AM
Everything I need to know about Scientology I learned from South Park
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tripe on May 24, 2010, 08:33:35 AM
Well they get part of it wrong but otherwise it's dead on. :)

Also from the sounds of it (since I'm still  100% on never having watched the show) it did end like The Third Policeman after all, at least that how some people seem to be thinking.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: alphaman on May 24, 2010, 08:57:09 AM

If they all died in the initial Oceanic 815 crash, why would they all be spending so much time together? They knew eachotehr as well as I know the people who happen to be on the same flight as me so why would Christian say that they time spent with these other people was the most important time of Jack's life?


They didn't die in the oceanic crash... Christian specifically mentioned them dying sooner or later than jack, Hurley and ben talked about their time on the island...
It was only in the "sideways" that they've been dead (and as such, it has been an epilogue of sorts as some have speculated)

Quote
I get that the side world was some sort of afterlife, but why weren't they aware of it, and why was it imperfect...if they created it as Christian said, why wouldn't they make is a paradise?

Who says the afterlife is paradise? this wasn't exactly a "christian" understanding of the afterlife, closer to a gnostic understanding if anything (well, it was a "Christian's" aka dr shepard)

PLUS: my interpretation? they were moving on at the very end, they hadn't entered the actual afterlife, whatever that may be, yet. They had to "let go" first after all (and some weren't ready to: Michael and all the other whispering ghosts, ana lucia, daniel and mommy eloise for instance)

again, just my opinion/interpretation.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mrbasehart on May 24, 2010, 09:00:40 AM
I thought it was great.  Exciting, moving, and providing enough closure (at least for me) to dismiss any "but what about...?" questions I may have had.

Nice of them to put Kate in little black dress for the ending.  :)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Courtney on May 24, 2010, 09:09:50 AM
Much like "Hellmouth" before it, any unanswered questions or plotholes can be summed up with the words "magic electromagnetic science."
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Invader_quirk on May 24, 2010, 09:13:41 AM
The ending was quite a surprise. Quite a surprise. At the time I didn't know what to think because I expected something totally different, but about an hour later I just started crying. Today I think I get it. Every character is going to die sometime, and when that happens you realize that the DHARMA Initiative, the numbers, even the unsolved mysteries-- none of it matters in the slightest. The only thing that matters is the people. I didn't know it, but the whole series has been about them and not the island (unless the light in the island is linked to the afterlife in a way I don't understand). The relationships are the only thing that stayed after death. So what is the place where they are all living? I don't know for sure. Christian says they created it so they could find each other again and let go (or something like that). Maybe it's inside the island. Perhaps this place is what needs protecting. It seems to test their relationships, though. The island, the thing that brought all these people together in life, is sunk, but they are all drawn to each other anyway because they need each other. A thought I had was that if their relationship was strong enough, then they will find each other even though the island is gone and they can't remember it. When they do that, they are able to move on to what is presumably like heaven. "Nobody does it alone". There are people who have realized where they are but aren't ready to leave. Eloise is one of these and so is Ben. I think it is because they are not at peace with what they have done, Eloise having killed her own son and Ben, well, being Ben. Some, however, don't even get into this pre-heaven realm. Michael is stuck on the island forever. I honestly have no idea why

This is my theory version 1.4.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 24, 2010, 09:23:00 AM
So how did Ben get out from under the tree?

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 24, 2010, 09:27:11 AM
So how did Ben get out from under the tree?



And how was he able to walk without showing any (noticeable) signs of injury to his ribs?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on May 24, 2010, 09:35:05 AM
So how did Ben get out from under the tree?



And how was he able to walk without showing any (noticeable) signs of injury to his ribs?

Leverage by using a log.   People built the pyramids with less.   maybe it just pinned him.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Invader_quirk on May 24, 2010, 09:44:38 AM
I also had no idea how much I cared about Jack until he was dying. Funny thing, that.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 24, 2010, 10:44:17 AM
The ending was quite a surprise. Quite a surprise. At the time I didn't know what to think because I expected something totally different, but about an hour later I just started crying. Today I think I get it. Every character is going to die sometime, and when that happens you realize that the DHARMA Initiative, the numbers, even the unsolved mysteries-- none of it matters in the slightest. The only thing that matters is the people. I didn't know it, but the whole series has been about them and not the island (unless the light in the island is linked to the afterlife in a way I don't understand). The relationships are the only thing that stayed after death. So what is the place where they are all living? I don't know for sure. Christian says they created it so they could find each other again and let go (or something like that). Maybe it's inside the island. Perhaps this place is what needs protecting. It seems to test their relationships, though. The island, the thing that brought all these people together in life, is sunk, but they are all drawn to each other anyway because they need each other. A thought I had was that if their relationship was strong enough, then they will find each other even though the island is gone and they can't remember it. When they do that, they are able to move on to what is presumably like heaven. "Nobody does it alone". There are people who have realized where they are but aren't ready to leave. Eloise is one of these and so is Ben. I think it is because they are not at peace with what they have done, Eloise having killed her own son and Ben, well, being Ben. Some, however, don't even get into this pre-heaven realm. Michael is stuck on the island forever. I honestly have no idea why

This is my theory version 1.4.

We don't know that Michael is stuck on the island forever, maybe with Hurley in charge he could help him and the others to move on.

It seems only those that made strong connections were able to move on from the dream world, Ben was almost ready but his only "good" connection was with Hurley running the island so he was not ready yet.  Same with Faraday and Eloise.  Remember all the times the losties had to do "island stuff" as a group, this carried over to the dream world.   Makes you wonder about if  our world is a dream world from an earlier life, sort of a modified version of reincarnation.

As for why the "dream world" was not a paradise, think of it like The Matrix, still based on the physical laws of the real world, once they found each other and realised that the connections between them were the most important thing they could let go of the physical world and move on.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 24, 2010, 11:29:32 AM

We don't know that Michael is stuck on the island forever, maybe with Hurley in charge he could help him and the others to move on.

I thought that Hurley and Ben were both dead.  When Hurley and Ben are talking about being a "Good #2" and a "Good #1" they were talking in the past tense as if they weren't protecting the island anymore.


Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 24, 2010, 11:37:21 AM

We don't know that Michael is stuck on the island forever, maybe with Hurley in charge he could help him and the others to move on.

I thought that Hurley and Ben were both dead.  When Hurley and Ben are talking about being a "Good #2" and a "Good #1" they were talking in the past tense as if they weren't protecting the island anymore.


According to what Christian said some people lived on long after Jack, so we have to assume that Hurley and Ben ran the island and eventually died and went to the dream world.

I've also been wondering why Jack didn't turn into a smoke monster, I guess being the protector lets them pass, or it was because the light was just turning on while he was in the pool?  Another unanswered question.  Desmond's special power was what seemed to protect him, the sound effects were there but he didn't get transformed.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 24, 2010, 12:18:22 PM
Why didn't Jack need the mumbo-jumbo chant to make Hurley the protector?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Courtney on May 24, 2010, 01:07:11 PM
Why didn't Jack need the mumbo-jumbo chant to make Hurley the protector?

Yeah, I wondered about that.

I knew all along Hurley would be the last man standing, but didn't realize Jack would fail so epically in his brief time as Island Overlord. I mean, he was in charge for like ten minutes and everything went to shit. Nice job, Jack.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: torgosPizza on May 24, 2010, 02:11:09 PM
We don't know that Michael is stuck on the island forever, maybe with Hurley in charge he could help him and the others to move on.

Someone mentioned that Christian Shephard told Michael "You can go now" just before Michael sacrificed himself on the freighter. I don't remember that but it sounds reasonable enough. That is, assuming you find the finale reasonable, which I don't. For this reason:

Every character is going to die sometime, and when that happens you realize that the DHARMA Initiative, the numbers, even the unsolved mysteries-- none of it matters in the slightest. The only thing that matters is the people. I didn't know it, but the whole series has been about them and not the island (unless the light in the island is linked to the afterlife in a way I don't understand).

Every show is about the people, but what was great about this show was that it was about more than that. At least, that was what I felt when I was watching it (pre-Season 2 and then again starting in S3). To me the finale, while it was nice for a "warm and fuzzy feeling" to end the show on, kind of -- okay, really -- let me down. For a show that had been so smart for 6 seasons, the finale felt contrived, manipulative, and lazy.

Of course, I wasn't that emotionally invested in the show anyway, and perhaps I was expecting too much to be satisfied with it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 24, 2010, 02:28:20 PM
Every show is about the people, but what was great about this show was that it was about more than that. At least, that was what I felt when I was watching it (pre-Season 2 and then again starting in S3). To me the finale, while it was nice for a "warm and fuzzy feeling" to end the show on, kind of -- okay, really -- let me down. For a show that had been so smart for 6 seasons, the finale felt contrived, manipulative, and lazy.

Of course, I wasn't that emotionally invested in the show anyway, and perhaps I was expecting too much to be satisfied with it.

I think it would have been easy to forget about the people along the way, and they did a great job not doing that.  With that said, you can congratulate them for making the finale about the characters, or you can fault them for it.  There can be arguments made either way.

Personally, I liked it.  I'm not frustrated with the unanswered questions, and there's a good amount of things that can still be pondered over.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 24, 2010, 03:05:58 PM
We don't know that Michael is stuck on the island forever, maybe with Hurley in charge he could help him and the others to move on.

Someone mentioned that Christian Shephard told Michael "You can go now" just before Michael sacrificed himself on the freighter. I don't remember that but it sounds reasonable enough.

But it's well after this that Michael tell's Hurley he can't leave and that he's stuck on the island.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: gbeenie on May 24, 2010, 03:20:15 PM
I'm getting the feeling on Facebook that people seem to think

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I liked it. I thought it was fitting. And damn tearjerking.

That was what I thought as well..... Except for the tear jerking part

Hey... what you choose to jerk while watching Lost is your own damn business, buddy.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: torgosPizza on May 24, 2010, 03:35:40 PM
We don't know that Michael is stuck on the island forever, maybe with Hurley in charge he could help him and the others to move on.

Someone mentioned that Christian Shephard told Michael "You can go now" just before Michael sacrificed himself on the freighter. I don't remember that but it sounds reasonable enough.

But it's well after this that Michael tell's Hurley he can't leave and that he's stuck on the island.

I blame crappy writing.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on May 24, 2010, 03:36:46 PM
I'm getting the feeling on Facebook that people seem to think

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I liked it. I thought it was fitting. And damn tearjerking.

That was what I thought as well..... Except for the tear jerking part

Hey... what you choose to jerk while watching Lost is your own damn business, buddy.

Hey, it was my birthday , I can say what I want........ Purple monkey dishwasher
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 24, 2010, 03:38:20 PM
We don't know that Michael is stuck on the island forever, maybe with Hurley in charge he could help him and the others to move on.

Someone mentioned that Christian Shephard told Michael "You can go now" just before Michael sacrificed himself on the freighter. I don't remember that but it sounds reasonable enough.

But it's well after this that Michael tell's Hurley he can't leave and that he's stuck on the island.

I blame crappy writing.

For what?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: gbeenie on May 24, 2010, 03:39:01 PM
I loved the Target commercials:

http://www.youtube.com/v/FVdpCz1hz-k

(this is the only one still up, as far as I can tell)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Agent_Ispep on May 24, 2010, 05:35:38 PM
Anyone make any connections to the Opening shot of season 6?
It showed the whole island underwater...
This had me thinking at some point the island would sink, but never happened?
So what significance was that?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: gbeenie on May 24, 2010, 05:51:19 PM
In the "sideways" timeline, the island is at the bottom of the ocean.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 24, 2010, 06:03:51 PM
Anyone make any connections to the Opening shot of season 6?
It showed the whole island underwater...
This had me thinking at some point the island would sink, but never happened?
So what significance was that?

Red Herring?  To keep us guessing till the end?

I guess the world they created for themselves was based on the real one, so the island had to be somewhere?   The dream flash world was a big "what if" the island never got them all.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattrap007 on May 24, 2010, 06:06:08 PM
I loved the Target commercials:

http://www.youtube.com/v/FVdpCz1hz-k

(this is the only one still up, as far as I can tell)

i loved them too. The Smoke Alarm one had me rolling with laughter
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Compound on May 24, 2010, 06:29:52 PM
In the "sideways" timeline, the island is at the bottom of the ocean.

Also Superman died in the crisis and Jonah Hex was in the Giffen GL. Plus Agent Shaw reappeared. In addition  Boba Fett launched an attack on Mace Windu along with Aurra Sing and other bounty hunters. And Adam and Jamie blew something up.

I think. I've been watching an awful lot of TV lately, and things are getting a bit jumbled.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bus Taker on May 24, 2010, 08:59:46 PM
I was right about Desmond being able to go into the light without becoming a smoke monster. I didn't think they would explain the light, but damn them they created a whole new load of questions about it.

May be able to catch up here.  If Desmond had EM resistance, why didn't Jack turn into a white smoke monster when he "put the candle back"?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 24, 2010, 09:01:58 PM
I was right about Desmond being able to go into the light without becoming a smoke monster. I didn't think they would explain the light, but damn them they created a whole new load of questions about it.

May be able to catch up here.  If Desmond had EM resistance, why didn't Jack turn into a white smoke monster when he "put the candle back"?

Maybe it had to do with his willingly sacrificing himself, as opposed to being dumped into the cave by his brother, or some shit like that.  He had a choice.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 24, 2010, 09:08:54 PM
I actually had the same white smoke thought while watching that.  LMFAO

And yeah, the island being at the bottom of the ocean was a total red herring and borderline cheating.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bus Taker on May 24, 2010, 09:11:54 PM
Every show is about the people, but what was great about this show was that it was about more than that. At least, that was what I felt when I was watching it (pre-Season 2 and then again starting in S3). To me the finale, while it was nice for a "warm and fuzzy feeling" to end the show on, kind of -- okay, really -- let me down. For a show that had been so smart for 6 seasons, the finale felt contrived, manipulative, and lazy.

Of course, I wasn't that emotionally invested in the show anyway, and perhaps I was expecting too much to be satisfied with it.

I think it would have been easy to forget about the people along the way, and they did a great job not doing that.  With that said, you can congratulate them for making the finale about the characters, or you can fault them for it.  There can be arguments made either way.

Personally, I liked it.  I'm not frustrated with the unanswered questions, and there's a good amount of things that can still be pondered over.

Agreed, great finish, even if imperfect.  Respected the audience's intelligence to the last by leaving a few things up for interpretation.  Yeah, one or two lines could've explained the numbers, or the EM source, or why Vincent (dog) was the harbinger of doom for the entire series.  But take it from a Trekkie, the speculation is part of the fun.  I would be a little disappointed if ALL the questions were answered.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 24, 2010, 09:16:31 PM
Just watched it again... always better a second time cuz there's no random expectations.  Made me think about all the many interviews I've read over the years where Darlton were asked if they foresaw a sequel movie possibility.  I believe the earliest one I remember was back near the beginning of the third season (before they set a specific end date even), and they stated that "once you see how we're ending it" that there really would be no real plausible continuation or movie... "at least not with these characters."  They did say that ABC/Disney was technically free to do whatever they want with the mythology franchise after this show, but that what they were planning for the big finale would leave very little to no room for any more story with these main characters.

I can see what they meant.

On a side/related note, I really wouldn't mind a show about some other place in the world that had been taken over by the Dharma Initiative.  The biggest problem I'd foresee though would be it just being plain cheesy and forced.

Maybe they'll just continue the mythology aspect on in more ARG's (Alternative Realty Games) or novels (like Star Trek and Star Wars did.)  I could stand some novels.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 24, 2010, 09:16:36 PM
So the man in black and Jacob couldn't hurt each other. But other people could hurt Jacob if they wanted to. Why bring anyone to the island?

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bus Taker on May 24, 2010, 09:17:07 PM
I loved the Target commercials:

(this is the only one still up, as far as I can tell)

 :D
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on May 24, 2010, 09:39:38 PM
Why didn't Jack need the mumbo-jumbo chant to make Hurley the protector?

Yeah, I wondered about that.

I think it's because it was indeed just "mumbo-jumbo." All that it seems to require is a gesture to kinda ceremonialize your commitment to the cause. I don't think there are any hard-and-fast rules. This would seem to be supported by the fact that Hurley/Ben were clearly going to shake things up when it came to the management style of the whole "protecting the island" gig.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: lassieface on May 24, 2010, 10:05:19 PM
How were Jacob, TMIB, and Richard immortal? Or am I not suppose to ask that?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 24, 2010, 10:23:52 PM
I really personally tend to sign on with the theory that most/all of the stuff like that is simply because the people BELIEVED it to be.  Like they, or maybe just Jacob, willed it to happen.  Maybe he's just one of those few/many people with some odd special ability, and he can will things to happen simply be truly believing it to be so.

Like, picture a box... and this box has the power to---  oh never mind.  I'm not gonna quote that dialogue.

But if all that "willing" thing works, then that could explain why Smokey suffered his "fate worse than death" and Jack didn't.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on May 24, 2010, 11:01:02 PM
So the man in black and Jacob couldn't hurt each other. But other people could hurt Jacob if they wanted to. Why bring anyone to the island?

I think after a couple thousand years, Jacob was ready to snuff it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on May 25, 2010, 04:08:52 AM
And the explanation of the ash that kept smokey away?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: alphaman on May 25, 2010, 10:06:53 AM
And the explanation of the ash that kept smokey away?
Except that it didn't really work...
he still got into the temple easily enough, and was able to kill Bram (Brom?) in about a second...

It might have been something the others at the temple thought would work, but were wrong about?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrTorso on May 25, 2010, 10:30:17 AM
And the explanation of the ash that kept smokey away?
Except that it didn't really work...
he still got into the temple easily enough, and was able to kill Bram (Brom?) in about a second...

It might have been something the others at the temple thought would work, but were wrong about?


I thought that there was a break in the ash around the temple? And wasn't it Doogan (sp?) keeping him out of the temple (somehow)?

When Smokey showed up in Jacob's apartment that guy who was with Alanna (sp?) put a circle of ash around him and the only way Smokey got him was buy throwing a log and knocking him out of the circle.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 25, 2010, 11:14:10 AM
I'm sorry, but I'm going to pitch it again:

CLICK HERE AND SIGN UP TO PLAY A LOST THEMED GAME OF MAFIA (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,17968.0.html)

Everyone is welcome, even if you've never played before.  We need 9 more people to sign up (just post on the linked thread if you want to play).

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 25, 2010, 11:15:55 AM
And the explanation of the ash that kept smokey away?
Except that it didn't really work...
he still got into the temple easily enough, and was able to kill Bram (Brom?) in about a second...

It might have been something the others at the temple thought would work, but were wrong about?


I thought that there was a break in the ash around the temple? And wasn't it Doogan (sp?) keeping him out of the temple (somehow)?

When Smokey showed up in Jacob's apartment that guy who was with Alanna (sp?) put a circle of ash around him and the only way Smokey got him was buy throwing a log and knocking him out of the circle.

More red herrings, the ash was a smokescreen (hehehe), it seems the only true protection from smokey was being around certain people that he couldn't harm.  Smokey had to send someone in to kill Doogan before he could enter the temple.   I'm guessing that Doogan at the temple was somehow "made the same" as Jacob but his job was to protect the temple instead of the cave of light.

Let's face it, the show's over, unless the writers come out with what they were thinking of when they did all this stuff there are no answers, just use your imagination to come up with your own theories.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on May 25, 2010, 11:24:03 AM
I'm sorry, but I'm going to pitch it again:

CLICK HERE AND SIGN UP TO PLAY A LOST THEMED GAME OF MAFIA (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,17968.0.html)

Everyone is welcome, even if you've never played before.  We need 9 more people to sign up (just post on the linked thread if you want to play).



DO IT!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dr. Whopoopeepee on May 25, 2010, 01:04:34 PM
What was with the music box?  And Jack's son?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on May 25, 2010, 03:23:39 PM
Anybody ever go on 4815162342.com?  That has been my favorite LOST site.  I've been posting and reading messages from fans on there since season one.  Ever since the finale I haven't  been able to get on.  It says the site is 'currently unavailable - try back later.'  Now that the finale was two days ago it seems strange to me that it's still funky.  Anybody go on there or know what's up with it?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 25, 2010, 03:25:47 PM
Anybody ever go on 4815162342.com?  That has been my favorite LOST site.  I've been posting and reading messages from fans on there since season one.  Ever since the finale I haven't  been able to get on.  It says the site is 'currently unavailable - try back later.'  Now that the finale was two days ago it seems strange to me that it's still funky.  Anybody go on there or know what's up with it?

It's because the numbers are cursed.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 25, 2010, 03:30:24 PM
That's not a number.  This is a number:
http://newton.ex.ac.uk/research/qsystems/collabs/pi/pi6.txt (http://newton.ex.ac.uk/research/qsystems/collabs/pi/pi6.txt)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 25, 2010, 04:08:51 PM
I usually just go to http://darkufo.blogspot.com  and sometimes Lostpedia.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on May 25, 2010, 04:15:54 PM
Anybody who watched the whole series MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO!!!!!


    collegehumor.com/video:1936291



I think I got more satisfaction out of  this four minute video than  the whole damn finale.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on May 27, 2010, 04:04:28 AM
Anybody who watched the whole series MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO!!!!!


    collegehumor.com/video:1936291



I think I got more satisfaction out of  this four minute video than  the whole damn finale.




Nobody else checked this out?  Am I alone in thinking this is brilliant?   Oh....and am  I allowed to reply to my  own post?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: anais.jude on May 27, 2010, 05:55:01 AM
Oh no, I totally checked it out. It was hilarious
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 27, 2010, 08:10:10 AM
There were some good questions, but a lot of them were nit picky in my opinion.  I feel totally satisfied with the answers to the main mythology questions (what is the island? who is Jacob?).  I do wish they had answered a few trivial things (food drops, Walt, Libby).
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 27, 2010, 10:18:42 AM
There were some good questions, but a lot of them were nit picky in my opinion.  I feel totally satisfied with the answers to the main mythology questions (what is the island? who is Jacob?).  I do wish they had answered a few trivial things (food drops, Walt, Libby).

Yea, mostly good questions, a few not quite on the mark.   Most of the questions have plausible explanations if you think about everything they put out there, different people might come up with different theories but nothing wrong with that.

Re-watched the finale last night, it really needs 2 viewings (and one without commercials) to appreciate it.

After thinking about the end the only questions I really would have liked a bit more information about would have to do with the light.  It seems the only person that really had any answers was Jacob and MIBs crazy mom, would have been nice if we had a longer scene with her telling Jacob more about what the light is and why it was so important.  How could it be so important to all life if some people had to build that pool and put the stone plug in it?  Kind of a catch 22 situation there....   

If you think of the show starting and ending with Jack's eye, then I guess it was mostly his story, the things and people he wasn't closely involved with were not important to the plot.   If he didn't find the answers to some things then we don't have them either.

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 27, 2010, 10:24:03 AM
After thinking about the end the only questions I really would have liked a bit more information about would have to do with the light.  It seems the only person that really had any answers was Jacob and MIBs crazy mom, would have been nice if we had a longer scene with her telling Jacob more about what the light is and why it was so important.  How could it be so important to all life if some people had to build that pool and put the stone plug in it?  Kind of a catch 22 situation there....   

I agree.  More info would have been nice, but I don't know how they could have done it without slowing everything down and seeming artificial (like the architect from the Matrix).
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 27, 2010, 10:34:08 AM
I really think that Jacob's pseudo-mother's belief that this light was so important was passed down to her from maybe someone else, just as it was passed to jacob from her, and to jack from jacob....  none of them probably actually KNEW why it was so important, or even what would actually happen if "unplugged" (as was evident that all three, Jack, Desmond, and Smokey, were insanely wrong about what would actually happen) ...  It all came down to relatively blind faith.

Much like pushing the button.  No one knew what would happen if they didn't push it, just that they had to push it.

As for what the light was, I think of all the many many things over the centuries that people attributed to the supernatural, that we now have very scientific and particle-based explanations for.  The wind, rain, sun and moon were all gods... but now it's just weather and science.  All we know scientifically is that it's electromagnetic energy... and we can maybe guess that the water somehow cools the core of the volcanic island maybe!?  Perhaps after a few more centuries, whatever it is would be very easily explained by science, and people would look back and think "How could these people on this island think this stuff was supernatural!?"

That's why I am very accepting of things not being explained in stupid Matrixy rants.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 27, 2010, 10:47:32 AM
I really think that Jacob's pseudo-mother's belief that this light was so important was passed down to her from maybe someone else, just as it was passed to jacob from her, and to jack from jacob....  none of them probably actually KNEW why it was so important, or even what would actually happen if "unplugged" (as was evident that all three, Jack, Desmond, and Smokey, were insanely wrong about what would actually happen) ...  It all came down to relatively blind faith.
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That's why I am very accepting of things not being explained in stupid Matrixy rants.

Good point, crazy mom could have been one in a long line of guardians going back to the early Egyptians, with only an oral history to pass down every time they find someone to take over for them so they can die and finally move on.  If the island kept moving farther and farther from land the time between guardians would get so long they would forget a lot each time.   Trying to fit that story in would have been extremely hard to do this season. 

Maybe they can make a movie in a few years where Hurley and Ben find the answers to the island's past....  With those 2 running the island there is a good setup for a miniseries.

Oh, and yea, even Christian doing his little short speech was close to being too long and "expositiony".
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 27, 2010, 02:49:42 PM
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Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: pezdrake on May 29, 2010, 08:01:18 AM
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Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on July 23, 2010, 04:32:58 PM
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In ABC/Disney's two-month-old press release with all the details for Lost - The Complete 6th and Final Season on DVD and Blu-ray, and also for Lost - The Complete Collection on both DVD and Blu-ray, a special new item was mentioned! Fans have been excited by the idea that they can "go deeper into the world of Lost with a much-anticipated new chapter of the island's story from Executive Producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse".

Now ABC/Disney has kindly sent us the below "first look photo" from this " original, brand new 12-minute LOST chapter called 'New Man In Charge' which offers a look at what Hurley (Jorge Garcia) and Ben (Michael Emerson) do as the new Island overseers." Don't forget that this will be available on any of these upcoming August 24th releases (Season 6 or The Complete Collection, on DVD or high-def Blu-ray). Here's the photo they sent us:

(http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/Lost_NewManInCharge.jpg)

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on August 28, 2010, 12:01:45 PM
I thought it was a good time to maybe try and revive this thread due to the season six DVD set coming out this week.  I bought it on Friday.  For those of you who are diehard fans and/or who found the finale a little less than satisfying (myself included in both categories)  there are two very interesting featues on the set you might be interested in.

There is a brand new 12 minute mini-episode called THE NEW MAN IN CHARGE.  It is an epilogue to the series and gives us a hint of things to come after Hurley  takes over.  It addresses some of those unanswered questions, including something I have been waiting to be addressed for a very very very long time. 

Also, Entertainment weekly tipped me off about this second thing. They said it was worth checking out and they were right.  The producers (Damon Lindleof and Carlton Cuse) do a commentary on the episode ACROSS THE SEA.  This is the episode that tells the origin of Jacob and the man in black.  I just watched it.  We really get a sense of what Darlton wanted to accomplish with this episode and get LOTS of interesting comments about the show itself.  After watching this, I feel I understand some things better about the series that had been bothering me, and I also understand a lot more why they did the things they did and ended the show the way they did.   If you are a LOST fan you owe it to yourself to check this out!!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on August 28, 2010, 12:29:05 PM
I thought it was a good time to maybe try and revive this thread due to the season six DVD set coming out this week.  I bought it on Friday.  For those of you who are diehard fans and/or who found the finale a little less than satisfying (myself included in both categories)  there are two very interesting featues on the set you might be interested in.

There is a brand new 12 minute mini-episode called THE NEW MAN IN CHARGE.  It is an epilogue to the series and gives us a hint of things to come after Hurley  takes over.  It addresses some of those unanswered questions, including something I have been waiting to be addressed for a very very very long time. 

Also, Entertainment weekly tipped me off about this second thing. They said it was worth checking out and they were right.  The producers (Damon Lindleof and Carlton Cuse) do a commentary on the episode ACROSS THE SEA.  This is the episode that tells the origin of Jacob and the man in black.  I just watched it.  We really get a sense of what Darlton wanted to accomplish with this episode and get LOTS of interesting comments about the show itself.  After watching this, I feel I understand some things better about the series that had been bothering me, and I also understand a lot more why they did the things they did and ended the show the way they did.   If you are a LOST fan you owe it to yourself to check this out!!

I picked it up Tuesday, but haven't had a chance to open it up yet to see the 12 minute piece.  I'll definitely check out Across The Sea when I get a chance.  Thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on August 28, 2010, 03:11:45 PM
I'm willing to bet you will enjoy it K1.  After watching these two things, I felt I was finally ready to let go of this story and feel some semblance of closure.  I did not get this feeling from the finale.  Although I will say that the finale was much more enjoyable the second time around. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dr. Whopoopeepee on August 28, 2010, 08:07:33 PM
I would have been less angry with the finale had they used this epilogue as the actual ending.  They could have still done the eye closing thing, and then had this after, even after the credits. 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on August 28, 2010, 09:06:18 PM
I would have been less angry with the finale had they used this epilogue as the actual ending.  They could have still done the eye closing thing, and then had this after, even after the credits. 

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I don't know how to do the spoiler thing you did, so I'll just say that I agree with you on both points.  I liked the whole thing, but the last few minutes is what I really enjoyed.  I have been waiting for them to get back to this for four years.  It wasn't much but it was infinitely better than nothing. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 28, 2010, 09:25:50 PM
As far as I know, that extra 12 minutes was meant to be IN the finale, cut for time because ABC wouldn't let them push it to 3 hours...  and I emphasize "in" beacuse it wasn't meant to be after the end, but before... most likely around the scene with Ben and Hurley outside the church ("You made a great number two...")

More answers are VERY definitely in the full box set, and I do mean IN the box set:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on August 28, 2010, 09:48:36 PM
As far as I know, that extra 12 minutes was meant to be IN the finale, cut for time because ABC wouldn't let them push it to 3 hours...  and I emphasize "in" beacuse it wasn't meant to be after the end, but before... most likely around the scene with Ben and Hurley outside the church ("You made a great number two...")

More answers are VERY definitely in the full box set, and I do mean IN the box set:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Do you really think those are spoilers?  I don't really think they are so I'm going to risk asking questions about it.  You say the box set has an extra disc with easter eggs.  I only got the season six set but my set included an extra disc outside the packaging with bonus special features.  Is this the same disc you are referring to with the easter eggs or do you get a different disc when you get the series box set?   And I imagine the stuff hidden inside the packaging is only in the box set?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 28, 2010, 10:29:23 PM
As far as I know, that extra 12 minutes was meant to be IN the finale, cut for time because ABC wouldn't let them push it to 3 hours...  and I emphasize "in" beacuse it wasn't meant to be after the end, but before... most likely around the scene with Ben and Hurley outside the church ("You made a great number two...")

More answers are VERY definitely in the full box set, and I do mean IN the box set:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Do you really think those are spoilers?  I don't really think they are so I'm going to risk asking questions about it.  You say the box set has an extra disc with easter eggs.  I only got the season six set but my set included an extra disc outside the packaging with bonus special features.  Is this the same disc you are referring to with the easter eggs or do you get a different disc when you get the series box set?   And I imagine the stuff hidden inside the packaging is only in the box set?

I figured since some of the stuff I mentioned is VERY hidden on the set, I'd mask it in spoiler...

The extra disc on the box set I am sure is not the same one on the season 6 set.  It's so hidden that I really won't be surprised if 2/3 of the owners of the set will never even know it's there.  I didn't know about it until I found instructions online on how to get to it and what to take apart to find it....

It's actually inside a part of the box, like, you have to turn something and pull it apart to access it.  And then there's a hidden scroll in another part that tells you what heiroglyphs attribute to what arrow button on the remote, and then you can use the black light that comes in the set to find heiroglyphs to help you find the certain DVD easter eggs..... one of which is how to play the game that comes in the set.  There were so many easter eggs on that one disc alone that I lost track of which ones I had stumbled onto.

What's on the extra disc you got?  Is that the Best Buy exclusive one?!?  (I haven't heard what's on that yet...)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Invader_quirk on August 29, 2010, 05:11:53 AM
Is all this secret box stuff on the regular Season 6 set? I'm going to buy it and I want to make sure it's not some special crazy-expensive set.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on August 29, 2010, 07:58:32 AM
As far as I know, that extra 12 minutes was meant to be IN the finale, cut for time because ABC wouldn't let them push it to 3 hours...  and I emphasize "in" beacuse it wasn't meant to be after the end, but before... most likely around the scene with Ben and Hurley outside the church ("You made a great number two...")

More answers are VERY definitely in the full box set, and I do mean IN the box set:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Do you really think those are spoilers?  I don't really think they are so I'm going to risk asking questions about it.  You say the box set has an extra disc with easter eggs.  I only got the season six set but my set included an extra disc outside the packaging with bonus special features.  Is this the same disc you are referring to with the easter eggs or do you get a different disc when you get the series box set?   And I imagine the stuff hidden inside the packaging is only in the box set?

I figured since some of the stuff I mentioned is VERY hidden on the set, I'd mask it in spoiler...

The extra disc on the box set I am sure is not the same one on the season 6 set.  It's so hidden that I really won't be surprised if 2/3 of the owners of the set will never even know it's there.  I didn't know about it until I found instructions online on how to get to it and what to take apart to find it....

It's actually inside a part of the box, like, you have to turn something and pull it apart to access it.  And then there's a hidden scroll in another part that tells you what heiroglyphs attribute to what arrow button on the remote, and then you can use the black light that comes in the set to find heiroglyphs to help you find the certain DVD easter eggs..... one of which is how to play the game that comes in the set.  There were so many easter eggs on that one disc alone that I lost track of which ones I had stumbled onto.

What's on the extra disc you got?  Is that the Best Buy exclusive one?!?  (I haven't heard what's on that yet...)



I didn't realize it was a 'Best Buy' Exclusive but that is where I purchased it so that is apparently what I have.  I haven't even stuck the bonus disc in my player yet so I can only tell you what it says on the back.  There's a feature about hanging out with the actors who played Keamy & Omar. There's something with Michael Emerson and his Dr. Linus character.  THere's something about going behind the scenes at Mr. Cluck's Chicken Shack with Jorge Gracia.  And something about the Sayid/Dogen fight.  At the bottom it says AND MUCH MORE. Once I explore the disc I'll let you know what else is on it.  Truthfully, the stuff on your set sounds a hell of a lot more interesting.  They do indeed sound like two different discs.  The whole packaging puzzle thing sounds great too.  I wonder what a LOST fan is supposed to do when they already have purchased the other seasons?  I'm a die hard fan but even I'm not going to spend 200 bucks on a series that I already own just to get the extras.  I wonder if the extra disc will ever be available separately? As far as the packaging stuff goes, I suppose I'm going to have to wait until my sister buys the set, which could be years from now. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Invader_quirk on August 29, 2010, 08:01:11 AM
Ah, so the secret packaging and stuff is for the entire series box set. Gotcha. Crap.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on August 29, 2010, 09:39:52 AM
That sounds fun.  I wish I had the money to fork over for the massive box set.  I already own seasons 1-3, so I was just planning on getting season 6 on its own.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on August 29, 2010, 10:37:36 AM
Anyone want all 6 season on Blu-Ray that haven't even been opened? I'd be willing to part with them for whatever the price of the box set is.  :D

Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 29, 2010, 01:49:02 PM
I didn't realize it was a 'Best Buy' Exclusive but that is where I purchased it so that is apparently what I have.  I haven't even stuck the bonus disc in my player yet so I can only tell you what it says on the back.  There's a feature about hanging out with the actors who played Keamy & Omar. There's something with Michael Emerson and his Dr. Linus character.  THere's something about going behind the scenes at Mr. Cluck's Chicken Shack with Jorge Gracia.  And something about the Sayid/Dogen fight.  At the bottom it says AND MUCH MORE. Once I explore the disc I'll let you know what else is on it.  Truthfully, the stuff on your set sounds a hell of a lot more interesting.  They do indeed sound like two different discs.  The whole packaging puzzle thing sounds great too.  I wonder what a LOST fan is supposed to do when they already have purchased the other seasons?  I'm a die hard fan but even I'm not going to spend 200 bucks on a series that I already own just to get the extras.  I wonder if the extra disc will ever be available separately? As far as the packaging stuff goes, I suppose I'm going to have to wait until my sister buys the set, which could be years from now. 

I know A LOT of the stuff on the box set extra disc is on http://darkufo.blogspot.com  just obviously in YouTube quality video.

Personally, I have season 1-5 on DVD already, so I bought the box set in blu-ray and got a PS3 to watch it on. lol  I'm keeping the DVD's so I can lend them to people who want to see it.

It IS one hell of a box set.  They definitely know how to package for fans and cater to obsessive freaks like me! :)  If you prefer OWNING the extra stuff, definitely save for it and get it (check the black friday sales, for sure) .... but if you already have the whole thing and just want to SEE the extra videos, they are slowly filtering onto DarkUFO (the link above), and there will likely be a whole ISO torrent available eventually of the DVD version of the secret disc.

But for completeists, this is a damn complete set!!  The only thing I think would make it more complete is if they worked deleted and extended scenes into the shows themselves.... I would surely enjoy that!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on August 29, 2010, 02:10:42 PM
Whats your PSN ID?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 29, 2010, 04:07:40 PM
Whats your PSN ID?

I have no idea how I find that or if I even have one... Do I have to sign up for it?!  I just got the thing, but mostly to watch my blu-rays and Netflix on demand. (haha the important things to get a gaming system for!!)  I don't have many games at all for it and never had much time to sit and play... so I dunno if I have a PSN ID.

Maybe this shows how old I am becoming!!!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 29, 2010, 08:01:20 PM
I'll probably wait to get the box set till it goes at least 60% off.  Good thing is I didn't get any of the seasons on DVD or BD, only picked up a few episodes on iTunes here and there.  Kinda stinks that the box set extra disk is different than the season 6 extra one, do you get both in the box set?

Just seem to have lost the desire to re-watch it all, even though I was really into it while it was on.  I guess half the fun of the show for me was speculating on what was really going on, once things got explained the show is half as fun.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on August 29, 2010, 10:44:20 PM
Just seem to have lost the desire to re-watch it all, even though I was really into it while it was on.  I guess half the fun of the show for me was speculating on what was really going on, once things got explained the show is half as fun.

I've been re-watching it with my sister, who's catching up slowly...  Even though I've seen each season (1-5 that is) many times each, I'm definitely catching LOTS of little things throughout the whole show that really do seem like tiny little inside jokes about the end of the series... Like Damon and Carlton just gently laughing at the audience.  There are obviously things they made up as they went along, but I've found too many things tying together to really think they didn't have that ending planned all along.

I know I'll re-watch it all again in a year or so as well and find even more things.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: dangfish on August 30, 2010, 07:04:53 AM
Yeah, I plan on watching the series again but not yet.  RIght now I just plan on watching all the special features on the DVDs and all the commentaries on season six and then filing the show away for a while.  As I said, I've reached a certain peace with the story after watching the epilogue and the producer commentary on Across the Sea. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: k1 on September 08, 2010, 06:31:10 PM
The LOST Slapdown videos are pretty amusing.

http://www.youtube.com/user/abclost
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 31, 2011, 08:42:10 PM
Downloaded somewhere like 64 gigs of "CHRONOLOGICALLY LOST" .... Someone put the entire series in chronological order.  So far, it's awesome.  Starts with Jacob's mother in the water after a shipwreck and goes from there.

I'm currently in the 70's, watching Hurley and Miles argue about time travel.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 15, 2012, 08:33:40 AM
I just started watching this show because it's all available on Netflix on Demand.  I'm up to episode 10: Raised by Another.  It's okay so far. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 15, 2012, 11:15:35 AM
Last week, I finished watching it through in chronological order.  Amazing even that way.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
I've really been meaning to watch Chronologically Lost.  I need to go ahead and do it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 17, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
Is there something in the water that prevents these people from answering simple, direct questions?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 17, 2012, 04:58:58 PM
Is there something in the water that prevents these people from answering simple, direct questions?

Hmmm, actually, having seen the end of the series... There may actually very well be.  Never thought of it, but it's possible and would explain a lot.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 17, 2012, 05:20:23 PM
Just one of the many mysterious powers of the island!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 17, 2012, 05:25:42 PM
Just one of the many mysterious powers of the island!

Just made me think of the water Jack had to drink....  (that's as spoiler free as I could get to explain where my mind went)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 19, 2012, 03:05:46 PM
I'm up to season 3, episode 6, and trip into the jungle to find someone paired with someone else wanting to go along but being told not to incident 342.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 19, 2012, 03:24:37 PM
I'm up to season 3, episode 6, and trip into the jungle to find someone paired with someone else wanting to go along but being told not to incident 342.

And if that person is Kate (which it usually is), she doesn't listen, follows 20 minutes later, and then screws everything up along the way.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 20, 2012, 02:06:13 AM
I can't decided if The Others are brilliant, or if it just seems so because the crash survivors are just idiots.  Juliette tells Jack "kill Ben on the operating table and make it look like an accident", which would be a great way for Jack to kill his enemy and get away with it.  Instead he threatens to kill Ben in a very non-accidental way and rats Juliette out.

Kate and Sawyer try to escape through the jungle, more gunfire and irritable shouting ensues.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 20, 2012, 07:23:25 AM
Just watched season 3, episode 8: Flashes Before Your Eyes.

So there's time travel now?  o_O
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 20, 2012, 08:05:03 AM
Just watched season 3, episode 8: Flashes Before Your Eyes.

So there's time travel now?  o_O

It's just your basic unsticking.  Nothing to be worried about.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 20, 2012, 09:11:03 AM
Just watched season 3, episode 8: Flashes Before Your Eyes.

So there's time travel now?  o_O

Gee, you're making a show about a magical island seem silly.  Cut that out!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 21, 2012, 04:50:22 AM
I'm up to season 3, episode 6, and trip into the jungle to find someone paired with someone else wanting to go along but being told not to incident 342.

And if that person is Kate (which it usually is), she doesn't listen, follows 20 minutes later, and then screws everything up along the way.
I...
fucking...
despise...
Kate....

While operating on Ben's spine, Jack clearly and emphatically told her to leave the small island and go back to camp while they had this one narrow opportunity.  She reluctantly does, then once she's on the boat, starts screaming at Sawyer to go back.  They have no weapons, no plan of any sort.  They are clearly outgunned, outmanned, and their foe has the home court advantage.  But she just wants to go wading back into that shit.

Cooler heads prevailed, thankfully.  Kate and Sawyer went back to their camp at least.  But now she's pulled Locke and Sayid and that French woman into another dull trek through the jungle and another rescue attempt.  Did these people forget what happened the last time they tried to confront the others?  Is anybody not an idiot?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 21, 2012, 08:38:33 PM
I...
fucking...
despise...
Kate....

Likewise.... and there's also the time Jack went with Sawyer and Locke to confront the Others to try to get Michael or Walt or whoever.... and Kate decided to get caught and used as barter by Tom.

She's effing worthless the entire series..... and I don't even think she's all that great to look at either.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Invader_quirk on April 21, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
I like a couple of her flashbacks, but she's easily the worst character.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 22, 2012, 05:11:32 AM
Would ONE person, PLEASE just answer ONE question with a direct response?  No answering a question with a question, no vague statement like "it's not important", just ANSWER.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 22, 2012, 06:50:32 AM
Season 3, episode 15: Left Behind.  Kate is YET AGAIN journeying to The Others' camp to try and rescue her friends even after being explicitly instructed not to.

I think maybe I'm just gonna skip this one.  Even though it's the first time I've watched Lost, I've already seen this episode at least 3 times.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on April 22, 2012, 06:54:25 AM
I...
fucking...
despise...
Kate....

She's effing worthless the entire series..... and I don't even think she's all that great to look at either.

She can come over to my house dressed like this so I can study for you.....

(http://bumpshack.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/evangeline-lilly-lost.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 22, 2012, 07:46:30 AM
Kate's a 7, Hollywood 5.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Invader_quirk on April 22, 2012, 07:58:20 AM
Season 3 is a drag. ABC was trying to make them drag out the series at that point. Luckily, after a while, they told ABC to suck it and the second half of the season onward picks up again.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 23, 2012, 05:27:17 AM
The season 3 finale was pretty great.  It was nice to see the survivors actually stand up and score a win against The Others rather than being pushed around.

Season 4 is kind of a bummer so far (on 2nd episode).  I'm pissed off at their shabby and hostile treatment of the rescue party.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 23, 2012, 08:16:33 AM
During the first half of s3, Darlton (Damon and Carlton) stated during the commentaries that their attention was strongly elsewhere.  They were trying to flesh out the rest of the series at the time, and before they could do THAT, they had to set a solid end date.  ABC wanted 3 more seasons, they wanted 2 (specifically around 48 more episodes total)...  so eventually they compromised.  3 seasons, but shorter ones.

Once the negotiations were done, they got back into actually working on the show.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 23, 2012, 08:47:41 AM
Locke is kind of a maniac.  It seems like he's won a war against The Others and taken Ben's place as the tyrannical ruler of the new tribe of Others.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 23, 2012, 11:41:30 AM
I'm so jealous of you right now.  I wish I could watch it for the first time again.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 24, 2012, 06:50:18 AM
I just saw the episode where Jack has appendicitis and Juliette operates on him to remove his appendix.  I particularly loved the flash forward.  I'm amused that Kate and Jack are engaged, and Kate thinks one of the keys to a successful relationship is to have secret conversations with her ex-lover and act all pissy when asked about them.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 24, 2012, 09:21:52 AM
I just saw the episode where Jack has appendicitis and Juliette operates on him to remove his appendix.  I particularly loved the flash forward.  I'm amused that Kate and Jack are engaged, and Kate thinks one of the keys to a successful relationship is to have secret conversations with her ex-lover and act all pissy when asked about them.

Yeah, that really annoyed me.  Especially because she probably was very well aware of Jack's past marriage by then.  If your current squeeze has had someone cheat on them and keep it a secret (even and especially after the break-up/divorce), what Kate did there was probably the worst thing she could have done.

Was never too fond of the appendix part of that episode, but it was far better than the damn tattoo episode.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 25, 2012, 06:50:53 PM
So the island is like an electron; you never know where it is but you just know where it most likely is?  Yet Ben and his people and the Dharma Initiative people were able to come and go as they please?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 26, 2012, 08:46:40 AM
I think that they were able to predict it when they were coming and going....or perhaps it wasn't constantly moving then.  Once they "moved" the island, they could no longer predict it in either time or space.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 26, 2012, 03:34:35 PM
I can't help but think about how Juliette would still be alive if Kate hadn't stormed off to try and foil the H-bomb plan, dragging Juliette and Sawyer with her, only to change everyone's mind at the last second.

She really is this island's Gilligan.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 26, 2012, 07:39:37 PM
I decided to take a shot of whiskey every time someone pulls a gun on someone else.

The hospital I stayed at after nearly dying of alcohol poisoning was very nice.

Watching season 6 episode 3, and I notice that in the flash-sideways Kate is not hiding very well for a fugitive.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 27, 2012, 10:49:33 AM
I don't like season 6.  It's too bleak.  Almost everyone on board Oceanic 815 is dead, so are most of the people on that Indian airline flight.  Jacob is dead after putting up no fight at all, and a supernatural evil is threatening the world.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 27, 2012, 11:14:23 AM
There's no response that wouldn't be a spoiler other than "stick it out".
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 27, 2012, 08:19:02 PM
That finale was idiotic.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Invader_quirk on April 27, 2012, 08:28:04 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 27, 2012, 08:34:29 PM
I just disliked the whole of season 6.  My memory isn't good enough to expand on this, but it all seemed like one long idiot plot.  It seemed like everyone knew that Locke was evil, but had no problem following him and obeying him for random reasons.

The ending was enigmatic and inconclusive.  It felt like an abstract painting; the writers created something weird and toss the ball in the audience's court to interpret it.  I don't like being toyed with like that.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 27, 2012, 08:52:10 PM
The ending was enigmatic and inconclusive.  It felt like an abstract painting; the writers created something weird and toss the ball in the audience's court to interpret it.  I don't like being toyed with like that.

It was pretty conclusive to me, pretty much everyone was dead except those that made it out on the plane and Hugo, Ben, and Desmond still on the island.  I guess there are also some others wandering around the island that Hugo is now in charge of, we get a little 10 minute video in the box set with Ben going around shutting down the DARMA stuff that was running on automatic, like the cargo plane food drops.

Everything in the flash sideways was in another dimension or heaven or whatever you want to call it,  a timeless place that happened after everyone had eventually died.  I take it you didn't find all the people making connections in the flash sideways kind of cool?

The show opened and closed with Jack and his eye, it pretty much was his story.

Seems people either love or hate the ending, I must have watched it 3 times the week it aired...

Did you really watch every episode?  Seems like not enough time between posts to get that many hours in...
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 27, 2012, 09:39:52 PM
Did you really watch every episode?  Seems like not enough time between posts to get that many hours in...

Well I have a lot of free time.  I remember I watched about 1/3 of that episode where Claire's baby got sick, because I couldn't handle all the baby crying.  I think I skipped half of one other episode too, but I can't remember which one.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 27, 2012, 09:42:25 PM
If Sawyer, Kate, Miles, the pilot,  Ben, and Hugo weren't dead, why were they in the fantasy world?  When did everyone die and what was that business with the hydrogen bomb?
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 27, 2012, 09:56:14 PM
If Sawyer, Kate, Miles, the pilot,  Ben, and Hugo weren't dead, why were they in the fantasy world?  When did everyone die and what was that business with the hydrogen bomb?

There was half an episode that explained all that stuff. :)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 28, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
If Sawyer, Kate, Miles, the pilot,  Ben, and Hugo weren't dead, why were they in the fantasy world?  When did everyone die and what was that business with the hydrogen bomb?

Jack's dad explained that near the end, the fantasy world was after everyone had died.  Some died a long time after Jack died, some before.

The H-bomb stuff was never really explained.  Seems like it was just a trigger for them to time jump back to the present for the last season stuff.  They kept saying "what happened, happened" during the series, so we have to assume everything they did in the past was already there, done, even before they went back and did it, so the hatch still got built in spite of or even because of the bomb.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 28, 2012, 05:08:11 AM
If Sawyer, Kate, Miles, the pilot,  Ben, and Hugo weren't dead, why were they in the fantasy world?  When did everyone die and what was that business with the hydrogen bomb?

There was half an episode that explained all that stuff. :)
I don't remember that. 
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Edward J Grug III on April 28, 2012, 06:19:56 AM
http://blogs.sundaymercury.net/anorak-city/2010/05/lost-theres-an-extra-ben-and-h.html
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 28, 2012, 09:25:43 PM
Honestly, I enjoyed the finale a MILLION times better the second (and then subsequently, the third) time I watched it.  Kind of a "now that I know what to expect, I can actually appreciate it."

I send people to this site for a finale sum-up:  http://screenrant.com/lost-finale-explanation-kofi-61464/   It helps quite a lot.

And then for the "They never answered ANYTHING!" people, I send them here:  http://screenrant.com/lost-questions-mysteries-answers-ross-75029/  It's a count of all the questions (we the viewers) asked about the show... and how many/few were actually left unanswered.  I have a PDF of them all that I printed a while back, and highlighted all the unanswered questions; most of them were stupid things like "How did Juliet learn to defend herself?" and shit like that.

Anyways, I highly suggest you read the first link and then re-watch the finale.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 28, 2012, 10:04:27 PM
Seasons 5 and 6 just leave a bad taste in my mouth.  Fantasy is like a spice.  They used a little of it in the first 4 seasons, but then used too much of elements like time travel and immortality and spirit beings and it really jumped the shark for me at that point.  Then they cap it all of with a sappy ending in the afterlife and I'm just like "blech".
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 28, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
Luckily, they never expected absolutely everyone to like the finale.  That would have just been impossible.

As they say about MST3k... The right people will get it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 29, 2012, 07:13:25 AM
One thing that confuses me is that Nicky and Paulo were apparently super unpopular characters so they were buried alive in season 3.  Yet aside from that one episode where they die, I don't remember them at all.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Invader_quirk on April 29, 2012, 08:02:15 AM
One thing that confuses me is that Nicky and Paulo were apparently super unpopular characters so they were buried alive in season 3.  Yet aside from that one episode where they die, I don't remember them at all.

I don't think they existed until then. That episode was largely to stretch the show out per ABC's request, although it is one of the first instances of the Man in Black manipulating people into killing eachother.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 29, 2012, 08:43:20 AM
One thing that confuses me is that Nicky and Paulo were apparently super unpopular characters so they were buried alive in season 3.  Yet aside from that one episode where they die, I don't remember them at all.

I don't think they existed until then. That episode was largely to stretch the show out per ABC's request, although it is one of the first instances of the Man in Black manipulating people into killing eachother.
Well IMDB says differently.  So they definitely existed prior to that episode, but they seem to me to be so unremarkable that I can't imagine them invoking a fan backlash.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 29, 2012, 06:57:54 PM
Well IMDB says differently.  So they definitely existed prior to that episode, but they seem to me to be so unremarkable that I can't imagine them invoking a fan backlash.

The fans kept pestering Darlton (Damon and Carlton, collectively) to start including more than just the main castaways... arguing that there were 45 some-odd people stranded, and that they felt they should show what goes on with other people.  So Darlton added those 2 at the START of season 3, starting with Nikki asking "Wait, where's Jack!?" or something by the "kitchen".... then they accompanied Locke on the trip to the Pearl hatch to find Mr Eko (when he got killed).

Then the fans complained about them adding two people, arguing "What? You expect us to just believe that these two people were here all along (like we asked you to do)???"  So they killed em off in what was essentially an episode dedicated to Hitchcock. (The plot and camera angles and everything was purposefully done to be "Hitchcockian")

I always saw that as Darlton giving the fans a huge "Be careful what you wish for, now can we pleeeease just get back to our show?!"

.... Much like when fans demanded blatant "explanations" about the mythology of the show... We got Eloise Hawking giving a school lesson in that pendulum room.  Then fans complained that it was too up front and spelled out, and not mysterious enough.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 29, 2012, 07:03:47 PM
Oh and the fact that Nikki and Paulo are insanely forgettable was constantly made fun of in the Nikki/Paulo episode by Sawyer constantly asking "Who the hell is Paulo?!" or calling them "Nina and Pablo"  The writers were incredibly aware of how pointless those characters were and why they should not have been in the show at all.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on April 29, 2012, 07:21:53 PM
Well IMDB says differently.  So they definitely existed prior to that episode, but they seem to me to be so unremarkable that I can't imagine them invoking a fan backlash.

The fans kept pestering Darlton (Damon and Carlton, collectively) to start including more than just the main castaways... arguing that there were 45 some-odd people stranded, and that they felt they should show what goes on with other people.  So Darlton added those 2 at the START of season 3, starting with Nikki asking "Wait, where's Jack!?" or something by the "kitchen".... then they accompanied Locke on the trip to the Pearl hatch to find Mr Eko (when he got killed).

I guess these fans never watch workplace sitcoms featuring a major business operating with fewer than 10 employees.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on April 29, 2012, 09:17:13 PM
If Sawyer, Kate, Miles, the pilot,  Ben, and Hugo weren't dead, why were they in the fantasy world?  When did everyone die and what was that business with the hydrogen bomb?

There was half an episode that explained all that stuff. :)
I don't remember that. 

Sorry, it was a dumb joke that was a bit of a stretch... I meant to infer that you happened to skip the one episode that explained the stuff you didn't get.  But in actuality, they didn't really explain the bomb that much.

I always liked the Nikki and Paulo episode. I loved the inside jokes, and I loved the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern vibe.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 29, 2012, 09:41:07 PM
But in actuality, they didn't really explain the bomb that much.

They didn't really explain it too much yeah....  but what happened was that the bomb never actually went off (which is why the island still existed in 2004) and the pocket of electromagnetic energy that the Swan was built on propelled our people back to their time (considering it was essentially the same energy that sent them time-traveling in the first place) and it was that whole event that was the "Incident" spoken about in the videos that need the pushing of the button to contain it.

Basically, everything happened always as it had happened.  No bomb ever went off (which is also why Juliet was still alive for a brief bit after they time-jumped to 2007), and they essentially helped cause the whole Incident in the first place.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 29, 2012, 11:31:40 PM
But in actuality, they didn't really explain the bomb that much.

They didn't really explain it too much yeah....  but what happened was that the bomb never actually went off (which is why the island still existed in 2004) and the pocket of electromagnetic energy that the Swan was built on propelled our people back to their time (considering it was essentially the same energy that sent them time-traveling in the first place) and it was that whole event that was the "Incident" spoken about in the videos that need the pushing of the button to contain it.

Basically, everything happened always as it had happened.  No bomb ever went off (which is also why Juliet was still alive for a brief bit after they time-jumped to 2007), and they essentially helped cause the whole Incident in the first place.

I think what she had did go off, and it caused the time jump, and caused them to build a new station.

If you remember a few times when they talked about the hatch during the show there was one place they mentioned with 15 foot thick walls.  Juliet was pretty far below ground, and what she had was just the core of an H-bomb, a small A-bomb.  At the point she set it off the electromagnetic area was out of control, you could say that the bomb added extra energy to that causing the time jump, a lot of the bomb energy went into that instead of doing damage.  That would leave a small area of high radiation that they had to build a containment wall around, and some kind of device to keep the electromagnetic force from going out of control again.  Since DARMA was a bunch of weirdos they made the system part of their experiments, forcing someone to push the button every 108 minutes instead of building in an automatic reset.

Actually the H-bomb would have been a dud after all those years anyway, so what they took out was the only viable part (although way too small for that era bomb).  Tritium has a half life of around 12 years, so 7/8 or more would have decayed by the mid 70's
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on May 18, 2012, 12:33:34 PM
Jesus. Check out Jack!

Quote
Matthew Fox Looks Super Crazy in 'Alex Cross'

In the latest Alex Cross film, Tyler Perry temporarily strips away his fat suit to play the detective/psychologist--first portrayed by Morgan Freeman in Kiss the Girls and Along Came a Spider--as he hunts for his wife's murderer. Lost's Matthew Fox plays said murderer/MMA fighter.

xXx and The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor director Rob Cohen helmed the film, so you should probably not expect anything more profound than the Alex Cross commercials from author James Patterson, but if you're interested in seeing Fox look insane and insanely ripped, or seeing Tyler Perry wear a trenchcoat, here are some photos from the production.

(http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2012/05/18/alex-cross-01.jpg)

(http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2012/05/18/alex-cross-02.jpg)

(http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2012/05/18/alex-cross-06.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 18, 2012, 12:56:15 PM
Holy crap!!

(http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2012/05/18/alex-cross-01.jpg)
That girl in the background is trying to figure out what his tattoo means.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bob on May 18, 2012, 01:16:36 PM
Jeez that is big!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 18, 2012, 01:21:24 PM
I couldn't help it.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xaYfRnk27Ek/T7auinHrGjI/AAAAAAAABFo/SCZnAD3k6Jo/w497-h373/JackGun.jpg)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tripe on May 18, 2012, 01:29:53 PM
(http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2012/05/18/alex-cross-01.jpg)
I'm in that room, about ten feet to the left of the girl in purple.

Edit: Depending on which take they use; in others I was the other side of the ring from her. The girl I was with was much hotter, but then, I like Jasmine Guy so opinions might vary.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on May 18, 2012, 01:40:20 PM
I'm in that room, about ten feet to the left of the girl in purple.

Edit: Depending on which take they use; in others I was the other side of the ring from her. The girl I was with was much hotter, but then, I like Jasmine Guy so opinions might vary.

Cool! There will be another Tripe Watch come October!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tripe on May 18, 2012, 01:48:21 PM
Look for the girl to my left, delicious.  :)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 18, 2012, 02:45:05 PM
I couldn't help it.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xaYfRnk27Ek/T7auinHrGjI/AAAAAAAABFo/SCZnAD3k6Jo/w497-h373/JackGun.jpg)

I imagine he wouldn't have to try so hard to convince them if he looked like that.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on May 22, 2012, 10:01:20 AM
Very cool interview with Damon about Lost:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/21/3030913/damon-lindelof-on-lost-on-the-verge

The interviewer is a bit of a jerk.  He's hating on the ending, but it's clear that he didn't understand it.  Damon puts him in his place about it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 22, 2012, 12:43:21 PM
Here's my favourite part of the interview....

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kete on September 13, 2012, 07:21:50 PM
815 likes!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mrbasehart on September 16, 2012, 09:03:44 AM
Here's my favourite part of the interview....

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

James Lipton looks pretty good for his age.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on September 16, 2012, 06:37:14 PM
815 likes!
I don't understand what that has to do with this thread.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on September 16, 2012, 07:19:04 PM
815 likes!
I don't understand what that has to do with this thread.

I hope that's a joke.

Anyways, I've recently started what I am calling "Live-Beefing LOST" on my blog... which is a LOST re-watch, by disc, and a corresponding blog post in my own tweaked style of "liveblogging".

Read about what it is here:  http://theunabeefer.blogspot.com/2012/08/live-beefing-lost.html

and my first actual re-watch post is here:  http://theunabeefer.blogspot.com/2012/09/live-beefing-lost-season-1-disc-1.html

Just a shameless self-promotion, since it's LOST related.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: ShadowDog on September 17, 2012, 03:35:34 AM
I'll have to check that out.

And, just to get ahead of this ... WALT!!!!
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on September 17, 2012, 03:50:06 AM
815 likes!
I don't understand what that has to do with this thread.

I hope that's a joke.

Wait... 815 was the number of the flight they were on, wasn't it?  Now I get it.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: mrbasehart on September 17, 2012, 05:05:08 AM
The biggest mystery of Lost is how Evangeline Lilly ended up with Dominic Monaghan.
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: Thrifty on November 14, 2012, 01:42:16 PM
Poor Bastard Who Just Started Watching Lost In For World Of Disappointment (http://www.theonion.com/articles/poor-bastard-who-just-started-watching-lost-in-for,30378/)
Title: Re: LOST Season 6 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 14, 2012, 01:46:40 PM
Poor Bastard Who Just Started Watching Lost In For World Of Disappointment (http://www.theonion.com/articles/poor-bastard-who-just-started-watching-lost-in-for,30378/)

Gotta love The Onion. I miss the TV show so much.

On a related note, I've noticed (at least from the activity feed on GetGlue) that the vast majority of people watching Lost for the first time ever (and in marathon form, so without loads of breaks between episodes/seasons) tend to really enjoy it, even including the ending.  I'd say about 90% or more of the people actually....

...but I'm sure I've said that before in this thread.  Now I'm off to go watch (and blog about) the last disc of season 1, ironically enough.