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Title: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: TMC1982 on December 19, 2009, 04:41:49 PM
I'm kind of surprised that this has apparently, hasn't been brought up here yet, given this is Rifftrax and all:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/12/16/transcript-of-conference-call-wit  h-syfy-president-dave-howe-keep-an-eye-out-for-sharktopus/36501 (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/12/16/transcript-of-conference-call-wit  h-syfy-president-dave-howe-keep-an-eye-out-for-sharktopus/36501)

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Dave Howe: I think I brought Mystery Science Theater up. I mean itís been a while actually since anybody Ė I used to get it all the time, you know, MST3K because quite frankly that was the only thing people ever associated with the network. And theyíre, you know, those people that donít watch still think weíve got MST3K on our Ė clearly we havenít the eight years Iíve been here.

We donít have any plans to bring it back. You know, weíve talked about it in the past but not for four or five years. I think the thing about MST3K is Ė and Iíll ask you the same question as I say to everybody else is did you actually watch more than about, you know, 15 or 20 minutes? Itís one of those kind of one-note amusing things which Iím not sure is sustainable for any length of time or any period of time.

So I donít think itís anything that we would necessary do again as an ongoing thing but, you know, we may do it as an event or as a, you know, one off special because I do think thereís some nostalgia around it. And it was very funny.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 19, 2009, 04:44:43 PM
What an idiot. How is ten seasons not sustainable?!?
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: mrbasehart on December 19, 2009, 04:46:32 PM
He may have a point about the only watching for 15-20 minutes at a time.  Not because it's one note and unsustainable (which is a stupid reason, as the show lasted 10 years), but because people might not want to commit that much time to a single program on TV at a specific time.  Plus it has commercials and it's not pausable or anything like that, so it's something that I think would be TIVO'd well and give people a convenient time to watch it.  I love MST3k, but I rarely watch an entire episode in one go.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 19, 2009, 04:51:02 PM
I love MST3k, but I rarely watch an entire episode in one go.

Wow. You must be a busy guy. Saturday mornings and two hours of MST3K (minus commercials) was like a religion for me!
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Darth Geek on December 19, 2009, 04:56:21 PM
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Dave Howe: I think I brought Mystery Science Theater up. I mean itís been a while actually since anybody Ė I used to get it all the time, you know, MST3K because quite frankly that was the only thing people ever associated with the network. And theyíre, you know, those people that donít watch still think weíve got MST3K on our Ė clearly we havenít the eight years Iíve been here.

We donít have any plans to bring it back. You know, weíve talked about it in the past but not for four or five years. I think the thing about MST3K is Ė and Iíll ask you the same question as I say to everybody else is did you actually watch more than about, you know, 15 or 20 minutes? Itís one of those kind of one-note amusing things which Iím not sure is sustainable for any length of time or any period of time.

So I donít think itís anything that we would necessary do again as an ongoing thing but, you know, we may do it as an event or as a, you know, one off special because I do think thereís some nostalgia around it. And it was very funny.

Try to diagram those sentences. I dare you.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 19, 2009, 05:01:01 PM
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Dave Howe: I think I brought Mystery Science Theater up. I mean itís been a while actually since anybody Ė I used to get it all the time, you know, MST3K because quite frankly that was the only thing people ever associated with the network. And theyíre, you know, those people that donít watch still think weíve got MST3K on our Ė clearly we havenít the eight years Iíve been here.

We donít have any plans to bring it back. You know, weíve talked about it in the past but not for four or five years. I think the thing about MST3K is Ė and Iíll ask you the same question as I say to everybody else is did you actually watch more than about, you know, 15 or 20 minutes? Itís one of those kind of one-note amusing things which Iím not sure is sustainable for any length of time or any period of time.

So I donít think itís anything that we would necessary do again as an ongoing thing but, you know, we may do it as an event or as a, you know, one off special because I do think thereís some nostalgia around it. And it was very funny.

Try to diagram those sentences. I dare you.

Not sure what was goin' on just prior to this interview, but I'm pretty sure it involved a rolled-up bill.

Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 19, 2009, 05:06:22 PM
He may have a point about the only watching for 15-20 minutes at a time.  Not because it's one note and unsustainable (which is a stupid reason, as the show lasted 10 years), but because people might not want to commit that much time to a single program on TV at a specific time.  Plus it has commercials and it's not pausable or anything like that, so it's something that I think would be TIVO'd well and give people a convenient time to watch it.  I love MST3k, but I rarely watch an entire episode in one go.

...and the commercials on the psi phi channel are the most obnoxious.  It's like they are begging you to change the channel.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 19, 2009, 05:39:50 PM
I'm kind of surprised that this has apparently, hasn't been brought up here yet, given this is Rifftrax and all:

Because - speaking for myself - I don't read anything about that channel because who cares what they say?

They made them do only sci-fi movies, stuck them on the air first thing Saturday morning after the informercial and yanked them after only 3 seasons.

And now they've re-branded themselves and are playing stuff like Pirates of the Caribbean and The Borne Identity...

They have no significance.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: mattwnelson on December 19, 2009, 05:41:48 PM
Wow. You must be a busy guy. Saturday mornings and two hours of MST3K (minus commercials) was like a religion for me!

Complete and utter agreement. It was the thing I looked forward to the most on Saturday mornings back in the day.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: k1 on December 19, 2009, 05:55:03 PM
Wow. You must be a busy guy. Saturday mornings and two hours of MST3K (minus commercials) was like a religion for me!

Complete and utter agreement. It was the thing I looked forward to the most on Saturday mornings back in the day.

Same here.   In college I used to drag my vcr down to the student lounge, hook it up and press record and occasionally fall back asleep on the couch.  (Especially if it was a really late night)  But definitely down there every week with usually a handful of other people.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: MrTorso on December 19, 2009, 06:08:26 PM
And now they've re-branded themselves and are playing stuff like Pirates of the Caribbean and The Borne Identity...

They have no significance.

Don't forget they even had WRESTLING on when they were "Sci-Fi"
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 19, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
And you know how Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic are just extensions of MST3K....and both are notorious for people coming to their live shows and walking out after fifteen minutes, right?

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Don't forget they even had WRESTLING on when they were "Sci-Fi"

Those are probably the people this guy asked about MST3K.....people who believe that that stuff is real.

(and before anyone derails the thread with that...yeah, the falls and the throwing people around etc are all real and it takes a lot of physical talent to pull off.  BUT, I know from people who worked in the field that the winner is arranged ahead of time, they go into the ring and do their routines until someone gives the high sign and that person starts winning the match no matter how badly they were doing before.  It's a show.)
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Darth Geek on December 19, 2009, 07:11:55 PM
And now they've re-branded themselves and are playing stuff like Pirates of the Caribbean and The Borne Identity...

They have no significance.

Don't forget they even had WRESTLING on when they were "Sci-Fi"
Well, all those guys are just mad scientist chemistry experiments any way.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 19, 2009, 07:13:27 PM
And now they've re-branded themselves and are playing stuff like Pirates of the Caribbean and The Borne Identity...

They have no significance.

Don't forget they even had WRESTLING on when they were "Sci-Fi"
Well, all those guys are just mad scientist chemistry experiments any way.

"Better Living Dying Through Chemistry"
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Bob on December 19, 2009, 07:24:01 PM
This is what happens when you let the suits be in charge of the talent.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Darth Geek on December 19, 2009, 07:27:00 PM
This is what happens when you let the suits be in charge of the talent.
This is what happens when you hire "suits" instead of talented people.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 19, 2009, 07:42:36 PM
This is what happens when you let the suits be in charge of the talent.
This is what happens when you hire "suits" instead of talented people.

In every industry, know-nothings with MBAs - straight out of college and into management, never having done the work they're overseeing - have been at the root of all current problems.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Darth Geek on December 19, 2009, 07:51:18 PM
This is what happens when you let the suits be in charge of the talent.
This is what happens when you hire "suits" instead of talented people.

In every industry, know-nothings with MBAs - straight out of college and into management, never having done the work they're overseeing - have been at the root of all current problems.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Darth Geek on December 19, 2009, 08:02:05 PM
This is what happens when you let the suits be in charge of the talent.
This is what happens when you hire "suits" instead of talented people.

TV is in the business of selling ads, not making entertainment. Duh.
"This is a business and we're in the business to do business, so lets do some business!"
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 19, 2009, 08:08:00 PM
This is what happens when you let the suits be in charge of the talent.
This is what happens when you hire "suits" instead of talented people.

TV is in the business of selling ads, not making entertainment. Duh.

And in taking that attitude they're doing to TV what the "Suits" have already done to radio.........
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 19, 2009, 08:25:30 PM
TV in this country has ALWAYS been in the business of selling ads. It's what they do.
But look at anything from Playhouse 90 to Show of Shows to Twilight Zone to All in the Family to M*A*S*H and tell me there were people who knew quality when they saw it and worked to get it on the air....

That's happening less and less.  And even when someone good does come along, some of their good deeds don't get a chance to prove themselves before they're let go....

The guy who bought and developed "Lost" for ABC (whatever we think of it) was fired before it got on the air and became a hit....
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Tripe on December 19, 2009, 09:05:55 PM
TV in this country has ALWAYS been in the business of selling ads. It's what they do.

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Beg to differ old boy

Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Rattrap007 on December 19, 2009, 09:16:34 PM
Funny he mentions that it hasn't been on the network for over 8 years. That is exactly how long it has been since I last WATCHED Sci-fi (or "SyFy") channel. I watched the channel for MST3K. I watched and recorded every episode back then. Once it was gone I never watched the channel again.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 19, 2009, 09:29:05 PM
Funny he mentions that it hasn't been on the network for over 8 years. That is exactly how long it has been since I last WATCHED Sci-fi (or "SyFy") channel. I watched the channel for MST3K. I watched and recorded every episode back then. Once it was gone I never watched the channel again.

And I recall that part of the reason they gave at the time for dropping it was that MSTies tuned in for the show but never stayed and watched anything else.

I would beg to differ in that I did watch their reruns of "Dark Shadows", "Babylon 5" and "Farscape" until they dropped them all....but I doubt that's what they had in mind.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Rattrap007 on December 19, 2009, 09:44:53 PM
Funny he mentions that it hasn't been on the network for over 8 years. That is exactly how long it has been since I last WATCHED Sci-fi (or "SyFy") channel. I watched the channel for MST3K. I watched and recorded every episode back then. Once it was gone I never watched the channel again.

And I recall that part of the reason they gave at the time for dropping it was that MSTies tuned in for the show but never stayed and watched anything else.

I would beg to differ in that I did watch their reruns of "Dark Shadows", "Babylon 5" and "Farscape" until they dropped them all....but I doubt that's what they had in mind.

So what if I stopped watching after MST3K. MST3K is getting the ratings. Makes sense to keep what is getting ratings. Better to get those people to watch that show than to dump it and they watch none. Only other show of their I watched was Tremors the series.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 19, 2009, 10:44:59 PM
Who watches SyFy any way?  All it is now is reruns of a five year old NBC shows and ten year old Universal movies,You can get that on every other station out there.  People like this guy are the reason I don't watch TV any more(I stick to DvDs of older shows)and the BBC and HBO are my two favorite networks in history.  They may have their problems but they do have fewer suits to mess up good shows.  Oh and if given a chance to find viewers most of the time good shows will make more money then bad shows.  MASH,Cheers,Andy Griffith,Star Trek are all still in reruns and sell a lot of DvDs.  You can make money producing good shows,you just have to let people find the shows and that takes more then three weeks.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Rude on December 19, 2009, 11:36:32 PM
...

I'm amazed that a show like MST3K managed to get on the air in the first place, let alone pull off a network switch after being canceled and run for about ten straight years. I imagine that part of the reason for their longevity was that the show was relatively cheap to produce. That was a big chunk of time to dedicate to a single program. And i doubt that even a show as popular as The Simpsons would have lasted as long if it had been two hours.

I am surprised that SyFy isn't even airing an occasional rerun, though. Those last three seasons are bought and paid for, and i believe that they own the broadcast rights to most of the films. Of course, they may have shot themselves in the foot by insisting on a linear narrative for the show... which might force them to air an entire season in order, rather than cherry pick popular episodes. But i actually thought that the genre restrictions were a good idea for MST3K.

Anyway, i don't get all the hate directed towards the SyFy Channel (except for the stupid name change, they totally deserve it for that.) They rescued MST3K from cancellation for three seasons, aired Battlestar Galactica, some awesome animation, an occasional miniseries... and i actually enjoy their horrible TV movies.

-Rude
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Cosmic Muse on December 20, 2009, 03:32:46 AM
Talk about biting the hand that fed them for a few years before it was so unceremoniously dropped.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Thrifty on December 20, 2009, 03:47:16 AM
The president of SyFy doesn't think that Mystery Science Theater 3000 is all that!  What a travesty.  Let us endlessly mock him.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Thrifty on December 20, 2009, 03:51:13 AM
Anyway, i don't get all the hate directed towards the SyFy Channel (except for the stupid name change, they totally deserve it for that.) They rescued MST3K from cancellation for three seasons, aired Battlestar Galactica, some awesome animation, an occasional miniseries... and i actually enjoy their horrible TV movies.

I think it's because they did what TV stations routinely do, and cancelled a TV show, rather than let it run for eternity.  Admitting MST3K is fallible is a terrible offense.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Crow T. Robot 666 on December 20, 2009, 03:56:09 AM
So two hours of MST3K is too much to commit to, but two hours of Giant Shark vs. Octopus isn't.  Methinks the ratings on that would improve with robots mocking it.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Cosmic Muse on December 20, 2009, 04:08:27 AM
The president of SyFy doesn't think that Mystery Science Theater 3000 is all that!  What a travesty.  Let us endlessly mock him.

I think an email blitz is in order.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Cosmic Muse on December 20, 2009, 04:46:49 AM
Anyway, i don't get all the hate directed towards the SyFy Channel (except for the stupid name change, they totally deserve it for that.) They rescued MST3K from cancellation for three seasons, aired Battlestar Galactica, some awesome animation, an occasional miniseries... and i actually enjoy their horrible TV movies.

I think it's because they did what TV stations routinely do, and cancelled a TV show, rather than let it run for eternity.  Admitting MST3K is fallible is a terrible offense.

I think we've proven here with Rifff Trax that MST3K's concept is more long lasting than most genre TV programs. If Sci Fi (I'm not calling it that stupid name.) had more faith in MST3K and more ambition to secure the rights to movies, maybe even featuring their own on the show, MST3K could still be making the network money from people like us.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: mrbasehart on December 20, 2009, 06:28:21 AM
Anyway, i don't get all the hate directed towards the SyFy Channel (except for the stupid name change, they totally deserve it for that.) They rescued MST3K from cancellation for three seasons, aired Battlestar Galactica, some awesome animation, an occasional miniseries... and i actually enjoy their horrible TV movies.

-Rude

Agreed.  And it's paying off for them, shows like Eureka, Battlestar, and Warehouse 13 are garnering their best ever ratings. 
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Thrifty on December 20, 2009, 07:23:16 AM
Anyway, i don't get all the hate directed towards the SyFy Channel (except for the stupid name change, they totally deserve it for that.) They rescued MST3K from cancellation for three seasons, aired Battlestar Galactica, some awesome animation, an occasional miniseries... and i actually enjoy their horrible TV movies.

I think it's because they did what TV stations routinely do, and cancelled a TV show, rather than let it run for eternity.  Admitting MST3K is fallible is a terrible offense.

I think we've proven here with Rifff Trax that MST3K's concept is more long lasting than most genre TV programs. If Sci Fi (I'm not calling it that stupid name.) had more faith in MST3K and more ambition to secure the rights to movies, maybe even featuring their own on the show, MST3K could still be making the network money from people like us.

The concept survives as a form of entertainment, but that doesn't mean it would still make a good TV show.  Are there any other TV shows out there that run 2 hours long?

The show ran 10 years, 198 episodes, over two channels.  That's pretty damn long for a TV show. 

The big thing though, is that the Sci Fi Channel keeps getting a bad rap for canceling MST3K.  They didn't cancel MST3K.  Comedy Central canceled it.  Sci-Fi saved it and gave it three more seasons.  Nobody ever speaks ill of Comedy Central though.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 20, 2009, 09:40:40 AM
I can say, when MST3k was on the psifhy channel it was the only thing on the channel I watched....and I taped it and fast-forwarded through the commercials.  I don't think I, or my ilk, were their target audience.  If MST3k was on the Lifetime channel, I would have taped and watched it on that channel.  So the cable channel it was on was immaterial.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 20, 2009, 09:54:20 AM
The big thing though, is that the Sci Fi Channel keeps getting a bad rap for canceling MST3K.  They didn't cancel MST3K.  Comedy Central canceled it.  Sci-Fi saved it and gave it three more seasons.  Nobody ever speaks ill of Comedy Central though.

They didn't cancel MST3K?  So it was The Brains' idea to end it?  That was never what I heard.  It was "we're not picking you up" which is BS for canceled.

And there's plenty of hate out there for Comedy Central for dropping the show (not as much as The Brains' had for them for some reason)

You're not hearing any hate toward them here because their President didn't just bash them in an interview.  And I would hope that they never would have anyone that dumb running the network.  Considering that for those early years of fighting to get onto cable systems MST3K was the only thing they could point to as an unqualified success.  That show made them like "The X Files" and "Married With Children" made Fox
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Thrifty on December 20, 2009, 11:48:45 AM
The big thing though, is that the Sci Fi Channel keeps getting a bad rap for canceling MST3K.  They didn't cancel MST3K.  Comedy Central canceled it.  Sci-Fi saved it and gave it three more seasons.  Nobody ever speaks ill of Comedy Central though.

They didn't cancel MST3K?  So it was The Brains' idea to end it?  That was never what I heard.  It was "we're not picking you up" which is BS for canceled.

And there's plenty of hate out there for Comedy Central for dropping the show (not as much as The Brains' had for them for some reason)

You're not hearing any hate toward them here because their President didn't just bash them in an interview.  And I would hope that they never would have anyone that dumb running the network.  Considering that for those early years of fighting to get onto cable systems MST3K was the only thing they could point to as an unqualified success.  That show made them like "The X Files" and "Married With Children" made Fox

Does the phrase "Get the fuck over it, it's just a TV show" mean anything to you people?
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 20, 2009, 11:56:26 AM
The big thing though, is that the Sci Fi Channel keeps getting a bad rap for canceling MST3K.  They didn't cancel MST3K.  Comedy Central canceled it.  Sci-Fi saved it and gave it three more seasons.  Nobody ever speaks ill of Comedy Central though.

They didn't cancel MST3K?  So it was The Brains' idea to end it?  That was never what I heard.  It was "we're not picking you up" which is BS for canceled.

And there's plenty of hate out there for Comedy Central for dropping the show (not as much as The Brains' had for them for some reason)

You're not hearing any hate toward them here because their President didn't just bash them in an interview.  And I would hope that they never would have anyone that dumb running the network.  Considering that for those early years of fighting to get onto cable systems MST3K was the only thing they could point to as an unqualified success.  That show made them like "The X Files" and "Married With Children" made Fox

Does the phrase "Get the fuck over it, it's just a TV show" mean anything to you people?

Does the phrase "If you don't care, why are you reading this and going to the trouble to post?" mean anything to you?
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Action Batch on December 20, 2009, 12:05:13 PM
The big thing though, is that the Sci Fi Channel keeps getting a bad rap for canceling MST3K.  They didn't cancel MST3K.  Comedy Central canceled it.  Sci-Fi saved it and gave it three more seasons.  Nobody ever speaks ill of Comedy Central though.

They didn't cancel MST3K?  So it was The Brains' idea to end it?  That was never what I heard.  It was "we're not picking you up" which is BS for canceled.

And there's plenty of hate out there for Comedy Central for dropping the show (not as much as The Brains' had for them for some reason)

You're not hearing any hate toward them here because their President didn't just bash them in an interview.  And I would hope that they never would have anyone that dumb running the network.  Considering that for those early years of fighting to get onto cable systems MST3K was the only thing they could point to as an unqualified success.  That show made them like "The X Files" and "Married With Children" made Fox

Does the phrase "Get the fuck over it, it's just a TV show" mean anything to you people?

Does the phrase "If you don't care, why are you reading this and going to the trouble to post?" mean anything to you?

::teardrops fall into the sixth glass of Franzia Chardonnay:: Can't we just have a nice Christmas without all the fighting!?!
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Bob on December 20, 2009, 12:06:37 PM

Can't we just have a nice Christmas without all the fighting!?!

No, shut the frak up!


 :D
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Action Batch on December 20, 2009, 12:08:47 PM

Can't we just have a nice Christmas without all the fighting!?!

No, shut the frak up!


 :D
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Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Thrifty on December 20, 2009, 12:42:43 PM
The big thing though, is that the Sci Fi Channel keeps getting a bad rap for canceling MST3K.  They didn't cancel MST3K.  Comedy Central canceled it.  Sci-Fi saved it and gave it three more seasons.  Nobody ever speaks ill of Comedy Central though.

They didn't cancel MST3K?  So it was The Brains' idea to end it?  That was never what I heard.  It was "we're not picking you up" which is BS for canceled.

And there's plenty of hate out there for Comedy Central for dropping the show (not as much as The Brains' had for them for some reason)

You're not hearing any hate toward them here because their President didn't just bash them in an interview.  And I would hope that they never would have anyone that dumb running the network.  Considering that for those early years of fighting to get onto cable systems MST3K was the only thing they could point to as an unqualified success.  That show made them like "The X Files" and "Married With Children" made Fox

Does the phrase "Get the fuck over it, it's just a TV show" mean anything to you people?

Does the phrase "If you don't care, why are you reading this and going to the trouble to post?" mean anything to you?

Dumbass.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 20, 2009, 12:44:49 PM
The big thing though, is that the Sci Fi Channel keeps getting a bad rap for canceling MST3K.  They didn't cancel MST3K.  Comedy Central canceled it.  Sci-Fi saved it and gave it three more seasons.  Nobody ever speaks ill of Comedy Central though.

They didn't cancel MST3K?  So it was The Brains' idea to end it?  That was never what I heard.  It was "we're not picking you up" which is BS for canceled.

And there's plenty of hate out there for Comedy Central for dropping the show (not as much as The Brains' had for them for some reason)

You're not hearing any hate toward them here because their President didn't just bash them in an interview.  And I would hope that they never would have anyone that dumb running the network.  Considering that for those early years of fighting to get onto cable systems MST3K was the only thing they could point to as an unqualified success.  That show made them like "The X Files" and "Married With Children" made Fox

Does the phrase "Get the fuck over it, it's just a TV show" mean anything to you people?

Does the phrase "If you don't care, why are you reading this and going to the trouble to post?" mean anything to you?

Dumbass.

Is that from the Lincoln-Douglas debates?  ;)
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Bob on December 20, 2009, 12:49:27 PM
The big thing though, is that the Sci Fi Channel keeps getting a bad rap for canceling MST3K.  They didn't cancel MST3K.  Comedy Central canceled it.  Sci-Fi saved it and gave it three more seasons.  Nobody ever speaks ill of Comedy Central though.

They didn't cancel MST3K?  So it was The Brains' idea to end it?  That was never what I heard.  It was "we're not picking you up" which is BS for canceled.

And there's plenty of hate out there for Comedy Central for dropping the show (not as much as The Brains' had for them for some reason)

You're not hearing any hate toward them here because their President didn't just bash them in an interview.  And I would hope that they never would have anyone that dumb running the network.  Considering that for those early years of fighting to get onto cable systems MST3K was the only thing they could point to as an unqualified success.  That show made them like "The X Files" and "Married With Children" made Fox

Does the phrase "Get the fuck over it, it's just a TV show" mean anything to you people?

Does the phrase "If you don't care, why are you reading this and going to the trouble to post?" mean anything to you?

Dumbass.

Is that from the Lincoln-Douglas debates?  ;)

If so, that would the coolest thing in US History.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Rude on December 20, 2009, 01:48:40 PM
...

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-Rude
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Tripe on December 20, 2009, 02:05:57 PM
TV in this country has ALWAYS been in the business of selling ads. It's what they do.

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Beg to differ old boy



I did say IN THIS COUNTRY.

Hey Johnny boy is very passionate about his Telly. :D
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 02:17:38 PM
Fans don't like it when someone bad mouths a show they are fans of to the press?!  THIS SUCH SHOCKING NEWS!  I have never heard of such a thing before.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: MWolf on December 20, 2009, 05:58:37 PM
One question. What the F is Syfy and why do I give a sht?


Joking. But I only ever watched SciFi channel because of MST3k. They just replay bad movies bad shows and badness the rest of the time.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: jewishcarpenter on December 20, 2009, 06:13:17 PM
You guys really need to layoff the station that brought us "Mansquito". Thx
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 20, 2009, 06:20:08 PM
You guys really need to layoff the station that brought us "Mansquito". Thx

 :D

Nice shootin' Tex.

http://www.youtube.com/v/eUkmIlBNM8M&hl=en_US&fs=1&
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Bob on December 20, 2009, 07:19:40 PM
Siffy original movies have reached a state of perfection that goes perfect with booze.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Darth Geek on December 20, 2009, 07:20:43 PM
You guys really need to layoff the station that brought us "Mansquito". Thx

 :D

Nice shootin' Tex.

http://www.youtube.com/v/eUkmIlBNM8M&hl=en_US&fs=1&
Would you like to rent the movie, sir?
Why? I just saw the best part. Ha ha ha.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: MrTorso on December 20, 2009, 07:26:56 PM
Clarence Boddicker: Civil War Re-creationist

i'd buy that for a dollar!
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: RoninFox on December 20, 2009, 08:13:42 PM
TV in this country has ALWAYS been in the business of selling ads. It's what they do.

But the presentation of entertainment and information that the viewing audience will be willing to watch and enjoy is a necessary element to get people to see those ads...so there I guess.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Darth Geek on December 20, 2009, 08:31:40 PM
Oh, I completely agree that in theory, better programs sell better ads.  But I think in reality that doesn't always correlate, and so it makes some sort of sense to but businessmen in charge of programming instead of artists.
It only makes sense to businessmen.

Most people are willing to watch shit, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't like better programming if it was offered to them on the same availability and awareness that networks give their stupid shows.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Nunyerbiz on December 20, 2009, 10:03:30 PM
I guess I don't get the debate here... The Sci-Fi exec (or SyFy or Siffy or butternutfuckcakes or whatever they call their network now) was perfectly justified in his response. Let's face facts people... MST3K only exists because it landed in the perfect storm of cable expansion. The creators themselves have always said that they would never have made it if there weren't new cable channels popping up and desperate for content. This was like the internet bubble before the internet.

Sure, BBI did a great thing... made a great show... hung around for a long time and built up a very deserved cult following... but that's all it ever was and ever will be... a little cult following. Do you think Sci-Fi banished MST3K to 9am on Saturday mornings because they were purposely trying to piss off the tens of millions of people watching every week? No, they moved it there because nobody was watching... nobody at least in regards to numbers that TV execs care about... The mass media universe passed up MST3K... While they could have probably survived well enough in their little niche timeslot with their niche audience... Sci-Fi made more money going a different direction... early on it was selling airtime to infomercial hucksters... and that's neither their fault or BBI's fault... it just is what it is...
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: anais.jude on December 21, 2009, 04:22:56 AM
Oh, I completely agree that in theory, better programs sell better ads.  But I think in reality that doesn't always correlate, and so it makes some sort of sense to but businessmen in charge of programming instead of artists.
It only makes sense to businessmen.

Most people are willing to watch shit, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't like better programming if it was offered to them on the same availability and awareness that networks give their stupid shows.

Ah hem. Arrested Development. Check and Mate
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Cosmic Muse on December 21, 2009, 08:42:13 AM
You guys really need to layoff the station that brought us "Mansquito". Thx

 :D

Nice shootin' Tex.

http://www.youtube.com/v/eUkmIlBNM8M&hl=en_US&fs=1&

Jeez...didn't anyone ever think of bringing in a huge can of Raid!?
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Tyrant on December 21, 2009, 08:55:27 AM
I don't think that any commentary that contains at least 3 "you knows" in the content should qualify as anything to be taken seriously by MSTies.  

Also, the entire run of MST3K is slowly turning up on DVD and Sy-Fy has made it clear they'll never run the show again so I'm not sure where the issue is, here. We MSTies have been the most powerful force in getting the word out on this show and keeping it alive. Networks don't need to rerun it to make that happen.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: jewishcarpenter on December 21, 2009, 09:27:11 AM
I plan on being butthurt about these comments for 4.6 more days.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: D.B. Barnes on December 21, 2009, 09:36:53 AM
I plan on being butthurt about these comments for 4.6 more days.

Here, take this.

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Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: TeamRAD on December 21, 2009, 01:31:44 PM

You guys really need to layoff the station that brought us "Mansquito". Thx

 :D

Nice shootin' Tex.

http://www.youtube.com/v/eUkmIlBNM8M&hl=en_US&fs=1&

*cheers*

Go Mansquito! I know I like me some of this network.

Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: THE QUEEN!!! on December 21, 2009, 01:37:14 PM
clearly this guy is an idiot. how hilarious. Not sustainable? was sustained for 10 years.....
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: starfighter on December 22, 2009, 12:05:36 AM
  It would be nice if Mike and the guys riffed a SciFi channel movie, but they aren't the most readily available dvds out there.  Tin Man is the only thing that comes to mind.
   SyFy is just another channel that's lost their way, casting aside the successes they had in search of a larger audience.  MTV,  VH1, even TVLand, Travel Channel and Cartoon Network show movies and other programming that has nothing to do with their original mission.  It doesn't appeal to me but it's what they choose to do.   I just wish somebody could explain that Ghost Hunters horseshit to me.  Turn on a goddamn light, you assholes!
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Thrifty on December 22, 2009, 03:24:18 AM
clearly this guy is an idiot. how hilarious. Not sustainable? was sustained for 10 years.....

He's saying that it wouldn't thrive in today's environment.  Nunyerbiz said it best (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,16547.msg500463.html#msg500463), it's a small potatoes show with a huge cult following.  You and other posters in this thread are getting extremely fanboy defensive, laboring under the idea that a show you love is so awesome only and idiot could think it anything less than gold.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 22, 2009, 09:00:32 AM
This reminds me of the time that  Michael grade went on some chat show and basted doctor Who and said there was no chance of it ever coming back.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Tripe on December 22, 2009, 09:08:33 AM
This reminds me of the time that  Michael grade went on some chat show and basted doctor Who and said there was no chance of it ever coming back.

He was right though; for the duration of his tenure and for a long while after it never did. Even now it's only back because the BBC has decentralized production of it's programming and it's not quite the same beastie it once was.

Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Doctor Who? on December 22, 2009, 09:14:16 AM
This reminds me of the time that  Michael grade went on some chat show and basted doctor Who and said there was no chance of it ever coming back.

He was right though; for the duration of his tenure and for a long while after it never did. Even now it's only back because the BBC has decentralized production of it's programming and it's not quite the same beastie it once was.



No this was after he left the BBC.  i think it was in 2000 or 2001.  It was some chat show and they showed a clip from an out take as if it was part of the show and then he spent the time slamming Doctor Who and being told how he was a hero for finally killing it.  At the time it was  seen as low point by the fans.  I was mainly talking about people's reacting here.  On the doctor who board he was slammed for months and then we all got too depressed to slam him any more.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: MSTJedi on December 22, 2009, 09:18:29 AM
clearly this guy is an idiot. how hilarious. Not sustainable? was sustained for 10 years.....

He's saying that it wouldn't thrive in today's environment.  Nunyerbiz said it best (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,16547.msg500463.html#msg500463), it's a small potatoes show with a huge cult following.  You and other posters in this thread are getting extremely fanboy defensive, laboring under the idea that a show you love is so awesome only and idiot could think it anything less than gold.

I say why bother? Cable is old hat and for a fan base like MST3K has (large, but not in the multi-millions that TV execs are looking for), it doesn't make sense to even do it for anyone involved. With broadband internet being almost universal (in developed countries, anyway), online distribution and DVD sales make much more sense than trying to broadcast on any cable network. Less overhead and no suits telling you what to do. I say Rifftrax and CT are fine the way they are. Once CT starts releasing DVDs on a regular basis, anyway . . .
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 22, 2009, 11:10:57 AM
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I think the thing about MST3K is Ė and Iíll ask you the same question as I say to everybody else is did you actually watch more than about, you know, 15 or 20 minutes? Itís one of those kind of one-note amusing things which Iím not sure is sustainable for any length of time or any period of time.
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Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: pezdrake on January 03, 2010, 07:18:31 PM
If your network makes a movie called "Kraken: Tentacles of the Deep", I expect at least ten full minutes of boobs.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: SJP on January 04, 2010, 07:09:57 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned already, but I just noticed this thread and it's 6 pages long, so...

Sci-Fi...I mean, SyFy has TV shows?  I thought the only science fiction on there were those commercials for the pills where the obvious porn starlet makes the claim that they "enhance a certain portion of the male anatomy," with the kind of relish that "The Fat Man" in "Overdrawn at the Memory Bank" had for Fingal in a nice Bearnaise sauce.

Also ironic as well, considering that several Syfy original movies have become targets for the iRiffers.  Good to see Syfy decries the very show that, one, probably kept it afloat in its fledgling years, and two, has made good comedy out of their bad drama.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: NRRork on January 06, 2010, 09:51:40 PM
Well, that gentleman can put his mouth around my genitals and draw from them in a sucking action.

I'll never watch a minute of that network again-- but not because of this-- because I found that name change unforgivable. SyFy... did too many people get confused by the silent C in Sci-Fi and constantly call it "Sky-Fi"? Because, I mean, I don't think those people could follow science fiction, they'd probably get more benefit from Blue's Clues or something.

In fact, that could've been their slogan: "Sci-Fi: If you can't pronounce our name, please flip to Nick Jr."

I know that's most likely not why, but i imagine the real reason for the name change would be JUST as insulting to my intelligence. Meh, MST3K was the only reason I watched that channel when I was a teenager.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: FordPrefect on January 07, 2010, 05:10:38 AM
Well, that gentleman can put his mouth around my genitals and draw from them in a sucking action.

I'll never watch a minute of that network again-- but not because of this-- because I found that name change unforgivable. SyFy... did too many people get confused by the silent C in Sci-Fi and constantly call it "Sky-Fi"? Because, I mean, I don't think those people could follow science fiction, they'd probably get more benefit from Blue's Clues or something.

In fact, that could've been their slogan: "Sci-Fi: If you can't pronounce our name, please flip to Nick Jr."

I know that's most likely not why, but i imagine the real reason for the name change would be JUST as insulting to my intelligence. Meh, MST3K was the only reason I watched that channel when I was a teenager.

Actually I'm pretty sure the reason they changed it is for trademark and branding reasons. It's hard to copyright a generic term like Sci-Fi, but "SyFy" is a new word that they can hold creative claim to. Don't get me wrong, it's still stupid, but I can see why they'd think it would be a good idea for their own purposes.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Darth Geek on January 07, 2010, 06:03:10 AM
Meh, I still say the change in name is a good thing. It finally reflects how stupid the channel is. That's just thruth in advertising, people.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: Kzinistzerg on January 09, 2010, 03:42:00 PM
Hmm. Bit of a revival, but while I think that A: "syfy" is an offense against nature and must be punished and B: MST3K clearly demonstrated its longevity through 10 seasons, do you guys reaaallly wish MST still ran? Yes, it was great, and yes robot puppets are good, but now we have Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic. CT takes care of the ol' crappy movies. We wouldn't have Rifftrax if MST still ran. It might've been cool if Best Brains or Jim Mallon or whoever had the rights to the MST3k stuff had allowed Mike&co (or even Joel&co) to continue with the puppets on their own time.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: gojikranz on January 10, 2010, 02:03:48 PM
Hmm. Bit of a revival, but while I think that A: "syfy" is an offense against nature and must be punished and B: MST3K clearly demonstrated its longevity through 10 seasons, do you guys reaaallly wish MST still ran? Yes, it was great, and yes robot puppets are good, but now we have Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic. CT takes care of the ol' crappy movies. We wouldn't have Rifftrax if MST still ran. It might've been cool if Best Brains or Jim Mallon or whoever had the rights to the MST3k stuff had allowed Mike&co (or even Joel&co) to continue with the puppets on their own time.

i think it would be cool if we kept cinematic titanic and rifftrax going but maybe has a mst3k special everyso often.  they could have a different crew everytime.  or something. 
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: mrbasehart on January 10, 2010, 05:29:44 PM
Hmm. Bit of a revival, but while I think that A: "syfy" is an offense against nature and must be punished and B: MST3K clearly demonstrated its longevity through 10 seasons, do you guys reaaallly wish MST still ran? Yes, it was great, and yes robot puppets are good, but now we have Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic. CT takes care of the ol' crappy movies. We wouldn't have Rifftrax if MST still ran. It might've been cool if Best Brains or Jim Mallon or whoever had the rights to the MST3k stuff had allowed Mike&co (or even Joel&co) to continue with the puppets on their own time.

i think it would be cool if we kept cinematic titanic and rifftrax going but maybe has a mst3k special everyso often.  they could have a different crew everytime.  or something. 

I think that'd be kinda cool.  What would be *really* ballsy would be if Sci-Fi showed one of their original movies or whatever, and then the following night, had the MST3k special riffing on that particular movie.  Might even make sense ratings wise, as you'd probably get audiences for both viewings.  And it's really not like those movies can lose credibilty now, is it? :)
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: FBX on January 11, 2010, 07:04:02 PM
The thing i miss about MST3K is that the sheer number of writers resulted in higher quality work.

but I got netflix recently and was viewing some of the episodes I missed and can see why the show got canceled. I'm getting reminded why MST3K is particularly infamous for having several 30 minute segments that are downright boring, and then one 30 minute segment in the show that is funny on a lot of their episodes.

On a side note, does *anyone* have the first episode of the Sci-Fi era?
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: MSTJedi on January 12, 2010, 09:06:38 AM
On a side note, does *anyone* have the first episode of the Sci-Fi era?

If you know how to download a torrent and burn a DVD, the Digital Archive Project happens to still have that episode available. (They only offer episodes not commercially available through Rhino or Shout).

http://tracker.dapcentral.org/index.php (http://tracker.dapcentral.org/index.php)
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: NRRork on January 13, 2010, 01:42:55 AM
I will also say that as much as I loved MST3K, I think with Rifftrax, Mike and the guys are funnier than ever. And just a couple months ago they reminded us all who the kings are with their treatment of Titanic (in my opinion, anyway).

It's just a shame I got into MST3K so late in the show's run (around '98). We didn't get Comedy Central at the time, but my understanding is that in those days, aside FROM MST3K, it was pretty much a barren, humorless wasteland anyway. Also, I was 15 when I got into MST3K... if I'd discovered it much earlier I don't know how much of it I'd really get. As it is, if I watch an episode every couple years, there's always jokes that I'll get that I didn't before.

Besides, nothing has stopped me from going back and checking out the older episodes. And I got to see them at an age when I could really appreciate what I was watching.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: gojikranz on January 13, 2010, 01:00:20 PM
i wasnt a until it came to sci fi.  and concur with some saturday morning with mst3k was bliss.  even more so cause we didnt get sci fi at my moms house so it was a treat when i went to my dads house and now mst3k is a bit of an institution with my pop i always save teh new dvds to watch with him :).

and well i am a bit miffed i never got to watch comedy channel eps now when a new one comes to dvd its a whole new experience for us so that is a big plus.
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: pezdrake on January 25, 2010, 06:36:19 AM
It's just a shame I got into MST3K so late in the show's run (around '98). We didn't get Comedy Central at the time, but my understanding is that in those days, aside FROM MST3K, it was pretty much a barren, humorless wasteland anyway.

I can only speak for myself but I think it was much funnier back in the nineties than it is now.  I can't think of a single show other than South Park that shows on CC now.  I loved Standup! Standup!, there was some show that sat down and interviewed comedians (can't remember the name), Higgins Boys and Gruber that had "It's a Bunch of Wonderful Lives" every Christmas where people would tape themselves acting out scenes from It's a Wonderful Life and they would all get spliced in together to make the full movie.  There was a lot of weird interesting experimental stuff going on when the network was young and desperate to fill time (one of the reasons MST3K was ever approved by the way).  Now it's reruns of sitcoms, occasional crappy standup, bad comedy movies... 
Title: Re: Syfy president disses MST3K
Post by: MSTJedi on January 25, 2010, 09:08:37 AM
Now it's reruns of sitcoms, occasional crappy standup, bad comedy movies... 

Yeah, but it's got The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. Those two shows are probably what are keeping the whole network afloat at this point.