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Title: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 19, 2007, 09:40:15 PM
There was quite an advertising blitz for this 'independent', and it sure showed at the usually empty independent theater near me. 

It was ok.  The story was ok, the visuals were pretty good, and the sound was overdone.  That's about all I have to say. 

I'm more interested in hearing your thoughts, and then telling you why you're wrong.  ;)
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Andrew1911 on January 19, 2007, 09:51:42 PM
The sound was overdone? I don't even understand that complaint.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 19, 2007, 10:02:40 PM
When umbrellas opened it sounded like canons going off.  When people stepped it sounded like their feet were mic-ed.  I felt the sound effects were too over the top.  I understand they wanted to add emotion to the scene, but they went so far that I started questioning why things sounded a certain way, which took me out of the film.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Andrew1911 on January 19, 2007, 10:03:59 PM
When umbrellas opened it sounded like canons going off.  When people stepped it sounded like their feet were mic-ed.  I felt the sound effects were too over the top.  I understand they wanted to add emotion to the scene, but they went so far that I started questioning why things sounded a certain way.

Or it could be the theater you went to fucked up.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 19, 2007, 10:05:28 PM
When umbrellas opened it sounded like canons going off.  When people stepped it sounded like their feet were mic-ed.  I felt the sound effects were too over the top.  I understand they wanted to add emotion to the scene, but they went so far that I started questioning why things sounded a certain way.

Or it could be the theater you went to fucked up.

Good point.  I don't trust their sound system.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: starfighter on January 20, 2007, 12:19:29 AM
   Haven't seen it yet but I did like Hellboy.  If you saw that, would you say this is completely different or is it recognizably the work of the same director?
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 20, 2007, 12:32:53 AM
I saw about 5 minutes of Hellboy.  So no, I can't make a comparison between directing styles.  I'm sure some one will soon though.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: ScottotD on January 20, 2007, 07:50:44 PM
It's more Devil's Backbone-ish.  I *looooooooved* it by the way, really amazing movie.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: the long undertow on January 22, 2007, 08:13:19 AM
Only similarity with Hellboy that I can think of is GDT's use of makeup/prosthetics.

Much more similar to Devil's Backbone, like ScottH said.

I was warned that it was disgustingly violent before I saw it, but didn't really feel that was the case.  I have seen Irreversible, which was more graphic than I would ever have liked, so maybe my judgement is a little skewed.

Overall, I thought it was a great movie.  I'm somewhat curious what other people thought of the ending, so here goes my first attempt at using the spoiler thingy:

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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 22, 2007, 08:48:07 AM
My parents also saw it, and they felt it was uncomfortably gory.  Though I've seen Salo, and after that, it's really hard to be disturbed.

Now here's my two cents about the ending.
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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: PsypherPunk on January 22, 2007, 09:43:31 AM
I saw this a few weeks ago. It was surprisingly gory (especially when it only carries a 15 certificate - when it's touted as a fantasy film, potentially you could have littl'uns 'accidentally' watching this) but I didn't feel it was excessive; it was justified within the themes being explored.

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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: J-Proof on January 22, 2007, 11:51:16 AM
Is them ovie worth the 9 bucks tho? I kinda want to see it
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 22, 2007, 11:59:19 AM
IF you don't mind cgi and your independent theater has good sound (which i'm assuming it does if you live in cali) thennnnn.... see a matine. 
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: PsypherPunk on January 22, 2007, 12:57:35 PM
Is them ovie worth the 9 bucks tho? I kinda want to see it

Absolutely. I might be ever so slightly critical but it's still one of the best films I've seen in a long time; definitely worthy of merit.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: dignan on January 22, 2007, 01:39:33 PM
I absolutely loved this movie.  Between this and Children of Men, I think I could make a very strong case for why only Mexicans should be allowed to direct films from here on out.  The acting was great all around, and the captain was terrifying.  Del Toro managed to stage a simple scene of him shaving in a mirror as a completely tense, horrific event. 

It's also a very sad movie.  Sad, yet hopeful, kind of like Children of Men.  And there are explosions!  Always a plus.   
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Andrew1911 on January 22, 2007, 02:59:21 PM
I absolutely loved this movie.  Between this and Children of Men, I think I could make a very strong case for why only Mexicans should be allowed to direct films from here on out.  The acting was great all around, and the captain was terrifying.  Del Toro managed to stage a simple scene of him shaving in a mirror as a completely tense, horrific event. 

It's also a very sad movie.  Sad, yet hopeful, kind of like Children of Men.  And there are explosions!  Always a plus.   

2006 was the year of the Mexican.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: MrTorso on January 22, 2007, 05:15:20 PM
I just got back from a showing of it. I liked it a lot. I have liked del Toro since I saw Cronos in '93. Good stuff.


Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Dr.Impossible on January 22, 2007, 05:58:05 PM
I generally enjoyed this movie as a sensory experience, but I do somewhat agree with the complaints about the ending.

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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 22, 2007, 08:14:12 PM
To respond to your spoiler, I agree, it's not inconsistent.  It had to happen that way, or else it would be been inconsistent.  Which is why I thought the ending was predictable. 

Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Dr.Impossible on January 22, 2007, 09:07:17 PM
To respond to your spoiler, I agree, it's not inconsistent.  It had to happen that way, or else it would be been inconsistent.  Which is why I thought the ending was predictable. 

Consistency > unpredictability, in my opinion. I think a lot of people place too much emphasis on unpredictability, as odd as that may sound.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 22, 2007, 10:21:15 PM
You have to be unpredictable in films.  A movie is no fun if you can see where its going.  You start to feel as smart as the screenwriter, and then you start questioning the screenwriter.  Though it does have to stay within a certain realm of possibility.  If you thrown in a surprise ending that is surprising just because it doesn't make any sense, then the audience will hate you.  Unless you're David Lynch.  Then you can do whatever the hell you want and people will love you for it.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Dr.Impossible on January 22, 2007, 10:38:39 PM
You have to be unpredictable in films.  A movie is no fun if you can see where its going.  You start to feel as smart as the screenwriter, and then you start questioning the screenwriter.  Though it does have to stay within a certain realm of possibility.  If you thrown in a surprise ending that is surprising just because it doesn't make any sense, then the audience will hate you.  Unless you're David Lynch.  Then you can do whatever the hell you want and people will love you for it.

Yeah, David Lynch gets a pass. M Night Shyamalan, on the other hand....
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: PsypherPunk on January 23, 2007, 12:25:03 AM
You start to feel as smart as the screenwriter...

Why does "smart as a screenwriter" sound like a euphemism for 'dumb as a plank'?  ;D
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Dr.Impossible on January 23, 2007, 12:40:14 AM
You start to feel as smart as the screenwriter...

Why does "smart as a screenwriter" sound like a euphemism for 'dumb as a plank'?  ;D
Depends on the screenwriter, I guess.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: dignan on January 23, 2007, 07:24:07 AM
You have to be unpredictable in films.  A movie is no fun if you can see where its going.  You start to feel as smart as the screenwriter, and then you start questioning the screenwriter.  Though it does have to stay within a certain realm of possibility.  If you thrown in a surprise ending that is surprising just because it doesn't make any sense, then the audience will hate you.  Unless you're David Lynch.  Then you can do whatever the hell you want and people will love you for it.

I don't agree with that.  I highly enjoyed the movie Beerfest, even though I knew where it was going the whole time.  Any sports movie, essentially, is basically the same thing, over and over, but I always find them fun.   
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 23, 2007, 09:57:13 AM
You have to be unpredictable in films.  A movie is no fun if you can see where its going.  You start to feel as smart as the screenwriter, and then you start questioning the screenwriter.  Though it does have to stay within a certain realm of possibility.  If you thrown in a surprise ending that is surprising just because it doesn't make any sense, then the audience will hate you.  Unless you're David Lynch.  Then you can do whatever the hell you want and people will love you for it.

I don't agree with that.  I highly enjoyed the movie Beerfest, even though I knew where it was going the whole time.  Any sports movie, essentially, is basically the same thing, over and over, but I always find them fun.   

Consider yourself the exception that proves the rule.

But had to be a little surprised.  If you were able to predict each joke then they wouldn't have been funny.  Humor comes from the unexpected.  Maybe you were able to predict the general plot of beer fest, but not every joke. 
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: dignan on January 23, 2007, 10:09:28 AM
You have to be unpredictable in films.  A movie is no fun if you can see where its going.  You start to feel as smart as the screenwriter, and then you start questioning the screenwriter.  Though it does have to stay within a certain realm of possibility.  If you thrown in a surprise ending that is surprising just because it doesn't make any sense, then the audience will hate you.  Unless you're David Lynch.  Then you can do whatever the hell you want and people will love you for it.

I don't agree with that.  I highly enjoyed the movie Beerfest, even though I knew where it was going the whole time.  Any sports movie, essentially, is basically the same thing, over and over, but I always find them fun.   

Consider yourself the exception that proves the rule.

But had to be a little surprised.  If you were able to predict each joke then they wouldn't have been funny.  Humor comes from the unexpected.  Maybe you were able to predict the general plot of beer fest, but not every joke. 

Well no, certainly not.  But I also didn't predict the dialogue that was going to be said at the end of Pan's Labyrinth, either.  If the circumstances at the end of the film seemed predictable, it might have something to do with the first shot of the movie clearly foreshadowing the end.  That's intentional, and that doesn't automatically lower its quality.  Is Sunset Boulevard any less entertaining because you know William Holden is going to be dead by the end?  It's still a great movie for me.  Same holds for Pan's Labyrinth.         
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 23, 2007, 10:54:42 AM
You have to be unpredictable in films.  A movie is no fun if you can see where its going.  You start to feel as smart as the screenwriter, and then you start questioning the screenwriter.  Though it does have to stay within a certain realm of possibility.  If you thrown in a surprise ending that is surprising just because it doesn't make any sense, then the audience will hate you.  Unless you're David Lynch.  Then you can do whatever the hell you want and people will love you for it.

I don't agree with that.  I highly enjoyed the movie Beerfest, even though I knew where it was going the whole time.  Any sports movie, essentially, is basically the same thing, over and over, but I always find them fun.   

Consider yourself the exception that proves the rule.

But had to be a little surprised.  If you were able to predict each joke then they wouldn't have been funny.  Humor comes from the unexpected.  Maybe you were able to predict the general plot of beer fest, but not every joke. 

Well no, certainly not.  But I also didn't predict the dialogue that was going to be said at the end of Pan's Labyrinth, either.  If the circumstances at the end of the film seemed predictable, it might have something to do with the first shot of the movie clearly foreshadowing the end.  That's intentional, and that doesn't automatically lower its quality.  Is Sunset Boulevard any less entertaining because you know William Holden is going to be dead by the end?  It's still a great movie for me.  Same holds for Pan's Labyrinth.         

You don't necessarily know that it's Holden who's in the pool.  American Beauty would be a better example.  But in both of those examples, the ending was still a surprise to me.  I'm not arguing that everything in a movie should be a surprise, but there has to be some unpredictability.  And I never said Pan's Labyrinth was a horrible film.  I just said the ending was a little predictable for me.  For the most part, it wasn't predictable. 
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Dr.Impossible on January 23, 2007, 11:39:20 AM
I think the whole "this movie is too predictable" complaint generally comes from nerds who try to outwit the movie instead of sitting back and enjoying it. Ditto "this movie isn't scary!" from people who think being creeped out by a horror movie means they lost to it. I know this because I used to be one. Then I learned how to truly enjoy movies instead of watching them compulsively.

A lot of movies actually give away the ending at the beginning, and it doesn't ruin the movie.

Of course, if a script is just SO cookie cutter you see everything coming a mile away, and especially if it's a thriller or something that relies on shocks, yeah that sucks. Like this movie "Identity..." anyone see that? It's one of those big shock-turn mindfuck movies where

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but you totally know the big twist before it ever happens. When the big payoff is what you see coming, yeah that does suck.

Ok, have I rambled incoherently long enough?
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 23, 2007, 11:45:56 AM
Nerd yourself dude.  The reason I was disappointed with the ending is because I wasn't trying to figure it out, I just knew it had to happen.  I'm not saying that it's so incredibly predictable.  Most people probably won't see it.  I'm just saying I did, and my expereince was not as pleasant as a result.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Dr.Impossible on January 23, 2007, 12:04:10 PM
Nerd yourself dude.  The reason I was disappointed with the ending is because I wasn't trying to figure it out, I just knew it had to happen.  I'm not saying that it's so incredibly predictable.  Most people probably won't see it.  I'm just saying I did, and my expereince was not as pleasant as a result.
I should clarify something: When I said the thing about the "this movie is too predictable" complaint blah blah blah, I wasn't referring to this movie and you specifically, but in general.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 23, 2007, 12:23:13 PM
Then I take back my horribly offensive and well thought out insult of "nerd yourself". 
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Dr.Impossible on January 23, 2007, 01:18:46 PM
Then I take back my horribly offensive and well thought out insult of "nerd yourself". 

<3 <3
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 23, 2007, 02:02:05 PM
so how violent is it really?  I havent seen it yet and want to, i have heard its intensly violent and am just curious if thats accurate.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Andrew1911 on January 23, 2007, 02:09:42 PM
so how violent is it really?  I havent seen it yet and want to, i have heard its intensly violent and am just curious if thats accurate.

No more violent than Del Toro's other movies. Which is pretty violent.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 23, 2007, 02:14:14 PM
yeah sorry that doesnt help me at all, i havent seen ANY of his film me thinks
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Dr.Impossible on January 23, 2007, 02:21:35 PM
yeah sorry that doesnt help me at all, i havent seen ANY of his film me thinks
It's really very violent. The main villain is a captain in Spain's fascist army and he spends most of the movie trying to put down a rebellion, that should give you a good idea of how violent it is.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 23, 2007, 02:23:47 PM
not really lol, is it violent like hostel or violent like a very long engagement or we were soldiers or violent like lord of the rings?
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Dr.Impossible on January 23, 2007, 02:53:30 PM
not really lol, is it violent like hostel or violent like a very long engagement or we were soldiers or violent like lord of the rings?

I'm trying to to give away too much... but expect to see blood, death, disfiguration and dismemberment. Sin city type violence, I guess, but not as much of it.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 23, 2007, 02:54:38 PM
k then i was going to see it as long as it doesnt get into pointless violence. 
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: the long undertow on January 23, 2007, 03:52:41 PM
I would add that it's more graphic than Sin City because it's not b/w manipulated images.  And I've had friends on both sides of the "pointless violence" issue.  It comes down to personal opinion on the matter.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 23, 2007, 03:58:13 PM
i dont mind gore i just want pointless violence.  I mean i cant do crap like hostel and the whole point of hostel IS violence.  I hope that makes sense. 
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Dr.Impossible on January 23, 2007, 09:02:42 PM
i dont mind gore i just want pointless violence.  I mean i cant do crap like hostel and the whole point of hostel IS violence.  I hope that makes sense. 

If violence is the point, can the violence really be pointless?

Interesting little paradox.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 24, 2007, 11:04:20 AM
i take it i didnt make any sense lol 

i do that sometimes

What i mean is that it didnt feel like violence for violence sake.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Dr.Impossible on January 24, 2007, 11:08:50 AM
i take it i didn't make any sense lol 

i do that sometimes

What i mean is that it didn't feel like violence for violence sake.
Or "Gratuitous violence," if you will.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: starfighter on January 27, 2007, 12:07:57 AM
    I just saw it today and the majority of "on-screen" violence is from being shot.  While the captain threatens a lot of tor-cha, that really isn't shown on screen, although the results of it are.  So, yeah, it is very violent and bloody but it could have been much more so.
 
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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 27, 2007, 08:54:22 AM
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   I just saw it today and the majority of "on-screen" violence is from being shot.  While the captain threatens a lot of tor-cha, that really isn't shown on screen, although the results of it are.  So, yeah, it is very violent and bloody but it could have been much more so.
 

Thats exactly what i was curious about cool, cant wait till i can see it although i know i get to wait till it comes to dvd.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: the long undertow on January 29, 2007, 08:44:10 AM
I meant to mention this before and am sort of surprised no one else has either.  Did anyone else feel like the lullaby that is featured throughout the movie is curiously similar to the song at the beginning of the MST episode Squirm?  Apparently, the Pan's Labyrinth version is original to the movie.  I don't know about the Squirm version, but that's the only place I've ever heard it.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Blueguy on January 30, 2007, 10:46:35 AM
Saw it this weekend, but yeah... 
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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 30, 2007, 01:14:11 PM
Saw it this weekend, but yeah... 
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Response to your spoiler. 
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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: MarkAndrew on January 31, 2007, 11:21:12 AM
Just noticed this thread...
My feelings, in brief:
I loved the fantasy images.
I'm guessing the Del Toro didn't like Franco's fascists.  One-dimensional bad guys, made the Nazis in Raiders/Last Crusade look 'nuanced'.  He really dropped the ball with the Step-Father...unless he wanted him to be as complicated as Sauron in the LOTR movies.  I'm not Spanish so I'm probably not as sensitive about this as they are; but I think the setting "Welcome to Spain, where the bad guys won" could have been more well-rounded.  There were moments where I expected Del Toro to show some depth to the antagonists, I mean the Mother married the Captain and spoke about how good he was to them (and to her)...but we we the audience never saw anything but thuggish, sadistic brutality.

Hated, HATED the gore.  It literally drove me out of the theater.  I actually made me stop caring about the story.  (note, I didn't like The Cell, Saw or the surgical addiction scene in Hellboy either.)

Oh, and if you're female, never trust a faun.  It never ends well.  Even if you're at a beach party in Cabo San Lucas.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on January 31, 2007, 11:33:46 AM
Only similarity with Hellboy that I can think of is GDT's use of makeup/prosthetics.

Much more similar to Devil's Backbone, like ScottH said.

I was warned that it was disgustingly violent before I saw it, but didn't really feel that was the case.  I have seen Irreversible, which was more graphic than I would ever have liked, so maybe my judgement is a little skewed.

Overall, I thought it was a great movie.  I'm somewhat curious what other people thought of the ending, so here goes my first attempt at using the spoiler thingy:

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My thoughts

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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on January 31, 2007, 11:38:18 AM
I saw this a few weeks ago. It was surprisingly gory (especially when it only carries a 15 certificate - when it's touted as a fantasy film, potentially you could have littl'uns 'accidentally' watching this) but I didn't feel it was excessive; it was justified within the themes being explored.

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People who think fantasy is something for kids aren't fit to be fantasy afficionados or parents.

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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on January 31, 2007, 11:48:46 AM
Saw it this weekend, but yeah... 
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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Variety of Cells on January 31, 2007, 12:46:46 PM
Saw it this weekend, but yeah... 
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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: torgosPizza on January 31, 2007, 12:48:46 PM

Hated, HATED the gore.  It literally drove me out of the theater.  I actually made me stop caring about the story.  (note, I didn't like The Cell, Saw or the surgical addiction scene in Hellboy either.)

There was gore in this movie? Where? I didn't see much.

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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: MarkAndrew on January 31, 2007, 03:10:09 PM
What made me leave was the 'Man who Laughed' slit cheek.  But there was more than enough blood in this movie between the torture, child birth and...oy.  Frankly, I've blocked most of it out, all except that slit cheek.   It still makes me shudder.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Blueguy on February 01, 2007, 05:43:18 AM
Saw it this weekend, but yeah... 
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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Grillslinger on February 01, 2007, 06:59:57 AM

Hated, HATED the gore.  It literally drove me out of the theater.  I actually made me stop caring about the story.  (note, I didn't like The Cell, Saw or the surgical addiction scene in Hellboy either.)

There was gore in this movie? Where? I didn't see much.

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Not everything should be explained or answered.
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Okay! Spoiler's done! Eveeryone can look again!
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 01, 2007, 01:11:52 PM
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Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: torgosPizza on February 01, 2007, 08:16:47 PM
Haha, I agree. The movie was dark and sorrowful, and looking back I feel like I enjoyed it more than was made evident in my first post. It was a damn good movie and I'll probably pick it up when it's released on disc.
Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: MrTorso on February 01, 2007, 11:27:00 PM
Man this is one hard thread to read, with all the clicking of the spoiler tags. Can't we just change the subject to "Pan's Labrynth (spoilers)"?
Or better yet "Pan's Labyrinth (Spoilers)". The last two pages were nothing but spoiler tags with no real non spoiler info or discussion going on.

Title: Re: Pan's Labrynth
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 02, 2007, 09:08:34 AM
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I'll probably pick it up when it's released on disc.

I didnt know they still made laser disc