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Title: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on November 27, 2009, 08:29:49 PM
So obviously there's a stickied thread on reauthoring here.  I thought about putting this in there, but decided since I put a lot of work in to crafting this guide, I'd introduce it separately.

SecretAgentSuperDragon's guide is a great guide.  It's what I used to get in to reauthoring.  But I thought that the straight text could be hard to follow for novices.  I've cooked up this guide, with plenty of visual aids and a lot of exposition.  Probably too much.  I tried to be thorough, but I might have overwhelmed the reader with too much information.

Anyway, here's the guide, with plenty of visual aids and links.  It's in PDF.

Thrifty's Reauthoring Guide for Beginners (http://www.mstabosz.com/Rifftrax/Menus/Rifftrax_Reauthoring_Guide.pdf).

Here's a guide, written by Tralfamadorian, for Mac users (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,19742.new.html).

EDITED TO ADD: Someone who's not around much wrote a decent guide on using the auto ducking feature in Audacity 1.3.  Auto ducking basically reduces the volume of the movie audio whenever a riff comes up, so that the louder parts of a movie won't drown out the riff.  Auto ducking adds a significant amount of processing time to a reauthor; about 2/3 of the movie's run time.

The guide can be viewed here (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,3668.0.html).

EDITED TO ADD: This guide will ONLY create DVDs without menus.  I did it this way because a menu-less DVD can be done with only free software.  If you want menus, you'll need to plunk down $250 for DVD Lab Pro, and follow the guide I wrote on that (http://tinyurl.com/yz4joj7).

EDITED TO ADD:  An increasing number of DVDs are coming out with advanced copy protection.  Some of these include Twilight, The Dark Knight, Twilight: New Moon, Casino Royale, Tranformers Revenge of the Fallen, and Star Trek (2009).  Many people have recommended purchasing AnyDVD (http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html).  The cost for a lifetime license is roughly $86.00.  I say "roughly" because the price is listed as 64 Euros, so the U.S. price is subject to exchange rates.  Also, if there's a sale going on, it'll be less.

There are some ways to get around this without springing for AnyDVD, but it looks like that's becoming the new standard.  Here are some of the more troublesome movies, with links to discussions on reauthoring difficulties.  If anyone knows of any I left out, let me know.

Star Trek (2009) (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,16247.0.html)
The Matrix Revolutions (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,15672.0.html)
Transformers Revenge of the Fallen (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,15858.0.html)
Twilight (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,13801.0.html)
Twilight: New Moon (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,17542.0.html)
The Dark Knight (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,12003.0.html)
Casino Royale (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,3247.0.html)
Dark Water (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,9029.0.html)

EDITED TO ADD: In this post later in the thread (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,16287.msg549005.html#msg549005), Misty has put in a recommendation for DVD 43 as a free alternative to AnyDVD, for help ripping those hard to rip DVDs.  I haven't used it, but it's worth a try if you're having trouble.

EDITED TO ADD: See earlier in the post, where I added a link to a guide for reauthoring for Mac users.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Tripe on November 27, 2009, 08:33:24 PM
Very nice, might as well add it to the threads stickyed. :)
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on November 27, 2009, 08:34:38 PM
Aw shucks.  I'm honored.  I've never done something worthy of a sticky before.

If anyone wants to give it a read and make suggestions for revisions, your feedback is most welcome. 
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: spaceforarent on November 29, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
I got a different route that I think is a bit less complicated for syncing the two audio tracks. First, I silence the entire introduction to the riff. Then, using the readme file, I find the time difference between the sync lines of the riff and dvd. I usually cut about a second or two less than that difference from the silence created after silencing the intro. After that it's just a matter of finding the first sync line and cutting small portions off until I get it perfectly synced. And if I cut too much from the beginning, I just click "undo cut" and try again with a smaller bit.

Do you use any kind of voice-overs in your dvds? I'm wondering how well the auto-duck in Audacity works.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: RVR II on November 29, 2009, 11:34:24 AM
Well, I do mine More Complicated cause I Like It Like That 8)
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on November 29, 2009, 01:04:32 PM

I'm wondering how well the auto-duck in Audacity works.

Works just fine for me.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on November 29, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
I got a different route that I think is a bit less complicated for syncing the two audio tracks. First, I silence the entire introduction to the riff. Then, using the readme file, I find the time difference between the sync lines of the riff and dvd. I usually cut about a second or two less than that difference from the silence created after silencing the intro. After that it's just a matter of finding the first sync line and cutting small portions off until I get it perfectly synced. And if I cut too much from the beginning, I just click "undo cut" and try again with a smaller bit.

Do you use any kind of voice-overs in your dvds? I'm wondering how well the auto-duck in Audacity works.

I tried doing it that way once.  I wasn't even close.  I'm no good at subtracting times.  I figured it was just easier to go off the cues in the introduction which basically tell you how much completely silent unriffed audio you need at the beginning.

I did start using autoducking about 6 months ago.  That's not included in the guide, since I see that as advanced reauthoring.  I always level out the movie's audio so that it's mostly uniform throughout, then autoduck.  The autoduck works, but it takes a while.  The run time is about 60% of the run time of the movie itself.  It's definitely worth it, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: deadking13 on December 03, 2009, 06:07:33 PM
this is my first attempt at reauthoring a dvd with rifftrax.  i have followed the steps in the guide pretty much exactly.  i created the MPEG and got the rifftrax all synched up with the original audio file and am trying to re-author it with rejig.  i loaded up the video and audio files (origninal track and riffed track) and push the create button and it goes through the "multiplexing" task then when that completes it just stops and does nothing.  it creates the AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders but there's nothing in them.  when i try to hit create again it just turns off.  i've follwed the instructions pretty much to a T and keep hitting this wall.  don't think it matters, but the DVD i'm trying to re-author is "The Happening".  what am i doing wrong?  i can't get the rejig program to reauthor it. 
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on December 03, 2009, 06:19:01 PM
this is my first attempt at reauthoring a dvd with rifftrax.  i have followed the steps in the guide pretty much exactly.  i created the MPEG and got the rifftrax all synched up with the original audio file and am trying to re-author it with rejig.  i loaded up the video and audio files (origninal track and riffed track) and push the create button and it goes through the "multiplexing" task then when that completes it just stops and does nothing.  it creates the AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders but there's nothing in them.  when i try to hit create again it just turns off.  i've follwed the instructions pretty much to a T and keep hitting this wall.  don't think it matters, but the DVD i'm trying to re-author is "The Happening".  what am i doing wrong?  i can't get the rejig program to reauthor it. 

The AUDIO_TS folder will always be empty, so that's normal.

Your VIDEO_TS folder is empty too?  To you have a file called "Mux" in your project folder?

When going through the process of final reauthor (after you've hit Create), it should say "Multiplexing" for a while, then say "Create DVD Files".  Do you ever see "Create DVD Files"?

If Rejig fails to create the DVD files, and you need to try again, you have to close the program and restart it.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: deadking13 on December 03, 2009, 06:32:17 PM
when i pressed "create" it took a minute or so and showed a progress bar... i did see a file called "Mux" in my folder.  after the progress bar has finished, i see something that looks like it says "creating dvd files" or something for about half a second and then it just stops and nothing has happened, the "mux" file is gone and there are "audio_ts" folder and my "video_ts" folder has a few BUP and IFO files but the total size of the whole folder is about 128 kb.  nothing happens and the rejig program just sits there.  if i try to press create again, it all shuts off and nothing happens. 
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on December 03, 2009, 06:46:33 PM
when i pressed "create" it took a minute or so and showed a progress bar... i did see a file called "Mux" in my folder.  after the progress bar has finished, i see something that looks like it says "creating dvd files" or something for about half a second and then it just stops and nothing has happened, the "mux" file is gone and there are "audio_ts" folder and my "video_ts" folder has a few BUP and IFO files but the total size of the whole folder is about 128 kb.  nothing happens and the rejig program just sits there.  if i try to press create again, it all shuts off and nothing happens. 

Hmm.  Did you use ChapterXtractor and make chapter stops?
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: deadking13 on December 03, 2009, 06:48:14 PM
i did indeed....   i tried doing authoring again without the chapter stops, i tried doing it without the original audio track and no matter what i try, it still does the same thing... after muxing it just stops and the "video_ts" folder has a few files that don't even add up to a MB.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on December 03, 2009, 09:05:35 PM
i did indeed....   i tried doing authoring again without the chapter stops, i tried doing it without the original audio track and no matter what i try, it still does the same thing... after muxing it just stops and the "video_ts" folder has a few files that don't even add up to a MB.

I've run in to what you're describing before with Dark Water and X2.  I don't know why.  The Happening didn't give me any trouble.

You could try IFO Edit (http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/ifoedit-basic.htm).  The DVD Author tool has an interface similar to Rejig's.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: deadking13 on December 03, 2009, 11:12:00 PM
not sure what was going on, but i started another movie (iron man) and that one did fine with rejig.  it made the dvd files fine.  i haven't burned it to a disc yet, but i looked at it in dvdshrink and it looks fine.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: deadking13 on December 10, 2009, 10:22:10 PM
thanks again for your very useful guide.  i have a question.  what exactly is the point of taking the AC3 audio and making it into WAV format?  i've now done the reauthoring a few times without doing this and i can't seem to see any reason for doing so.  but i was wondering if there was a specific purpose for it or doing so avoids issues in the future. 
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on December 11, 2009, 03:47:59 AM
thanks again for your very useful guide.  i have a question.  what exactly is the point of taking the AC3 audio and making it into WAV format?  i've now done the reauthoring a few times without doing this and i can't seem to see any reason for doing so.  but i was wondering if there was a specific purpose for it or doing so avoids issues in the future. 

Most DVDs have their audio track in 6 channels.  If you import that in to Audacity, it spreads out over 6 tracks in Audacity (try it some time to see exactly what I mean).  It makes it much harder to sync it up with the Rifftrax.  Converting it to WAV format smushes this down to 2 tracks.

It's not required, but I always found it much easier to sync when there are only two tracks involved.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: deadking13 on December 12, 2009, 12:34:36 PM
thanks again for your very useful guide.  i have a question.  what exactly is the point of taking the AC3 audio and making it into WAV format?  i've now done the reauthoring a few times without doing this and i can't seem to see any reason for doing so.  but i was wondering if there was a specific purpose for it or doing so avoids issues in the future. 

Most DVDs have their audio track in 6 channels.  If you import that in to Audacity, it spreads out over 6 tracks in Audacity (try it some time to see exactly what I mean).  It makes it much harder to sync it up with the Rifftrax.  Converting it to WAV format smushes this down to 2 tracks.

It's not required, but I always found it much easier to sync when there are only two tracks involved.

personally, i haven't found it difficult to sync at all with 6 tracks.  audacity is actually pretty easy to use once you get the hang of it.  it takes forever whether you're doing a WAV or AC3, but i find it easier not to have to convert to WAV. 
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on December 12, 2009, 04:02:36 PM
thanks again for your very useful guide.  i have a question.  what exactly is the point of taking the AC3 audio and making it into WAV format?  i've now done the reauthoring a few times without doing this and i can't seem to see any reason for doing so.  but i was wondering if there was a specific purpose for it or doing so avoids issues in the future. 

Most DVDs have their audio track in 6 channels.  If you import that in to Audacity, it spreads out over 6 tracks in Audacity (try it some time to see exactly what I mean).  It makes it much harder to sync it up with the Rifftrax.  Converting it to WAV format smushes this down to 2 tracks.

It's not required, but I always found it much easier to sync when there are only two tracks involved.

personally, i haven't found it difficult to sync at all with 6 tracks.  audacity is actually pretty easy to use once you get the hang of it.  it takes forever whether you're doing a WAV or AC3, but i find it easier not to have to convert to WAV. 

I can understand that.  I never really took the time to figure out how to sync with the six tracks.  I use the tracks visually to achieve a sync that's perfect down to two tenths of a second.  I can SEE where the movie's line is and where Disembaudio's sync line is.

I thought it would be too complicated to explain that the conversion was optional, so I just left it in there as is and will let people come to their own conclusions as they get used to reauthoring.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Jazzman99 on December 30, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
OK, I've just tried to make my first ever Rifftrax DVD (300) following your guide, and I'm 90% happy with the results, but I do have some problems with the audio.  When I play the disk, the audio from the original movie keeps "breaking up" every few seconds, particularly on especially loud noises (like the thunder at the beginning of the movie).  The audio is also slightly out of sync with the video--just enough that the voices don't exactly match up.  Also, the voices of the riffers are all pitched very high--they don't sound at all like their actual voices.

Could this be a result of overcompression?

I think the problems are probably with Audacity, which I confess I had some problems with.  I can already tell that it takes some practice to get things synched perfectly.  One thing I noticed was that the "Project Rate" in the lower left corner kept changing back from 48000 to the original setting.  I changed it every time I noticed, but it might not have been set at 48000 when I exported the combined file.

Comments and suggestions welcome--I guess I shouldn't expect the first time to be perfect!
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: eegah on January 01, 2010, 02:28:13 PM
FYI: You don't really need Chapter Xtractor to get the chapter stops. If you select "Chapter Information - DVDLab" in the DVD Decrypter settings, it will give you a file with chapter times.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: deadking13 on January 03, 2010, 12:16:32 AM
FYI: You don't really need Chapter Xtractor to get the chapter stops. If you select "Chapter Information - DVDLab" in the DVD Decrypter settings, it will give you a file with chapter times.

i have been using chapter xtractor to get the stops because apparently rejig doesn't do too well with chapters.  one problem i'm having with rejig is that the movies i do reauthor will not resume on the same spot if stopped.  on any of my DVD players if i stop the reauthored DVD it will automatically go to the next chapter when i press play again.  i'm not sure if this has anything to do with using chapter xtractor or if it is just typical of rejig (which i use to rip and remux the dvd.)  i doubt if this has anything to do with it, but i always include the subtitles in the movies. 
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on February 08, 2010, 11:43:23 AM
Hey guys.  I'm (eventually) going to update the top post with links and/or short tutorials on dealing with some of the trickier movies.  Help me put together the list, would ya?  Off the top of my head, I can think of:

Star Trek (2009)
Transformers 2
Casino Royale
The Dark Knight

I know there were more than those four, so help jog my memory.

Also, if someone knows how to add forced subtitles for Return of the Jedi, Red Dawn, and Dragon Wars, through Rejig, that'd be a handy guide.  I used DVD Lab so I have no clue.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: D.B. Barnes on February 08, 2010, 11:47:35 AM
Twilight had some funky audio sync issues. Although I can't remember if I added or subtracted to the audio track to get it to sync up.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: deadking13 on February 08, 2010, 05:08:25 PM
Hey guys.  I'm (eventually) going to update the top post with links and/or short tutorials on dealing with some of the trickier movies.  Help me put together the list, would ya?  Off the top of my head, I can think of:

Star Trek (2009)
Transformers 2
Casino Royale
The Dark Knight

I know there were more than those four, so help jog my memory.

Also, if someone knows how to add forced subtitles for Return of the Jedi, Red Dawn, and Dragon Wars, through Rejig, that'd be a handy guide.  I used DVD Lab so I have no clue.

Twilight was a major pain in the ass.  one that gave me problems even more than that (although seemingly not a problem with anyone else) was Next.  Titanic was also a bit of a problem likely since the audio was such a big file, it didn't mux back right. 

in my experience rejig tends to add every subtitle as "forced".  every disc I made with rejig had the entire sub track on every time i put in a disc.  i don't know if i ever added more than one subtitle track, so i don't know much about that one.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Corny Commentaries on February 18, 2010, 12:20:38 AM
Hey guys.  I'm (eventually) going to update the top post with links and/or short tutorials on dealing with some of the trickier movies.  Help me put together the list, would ya?  Off the top of my head, I can think of:

Star Trek (2009)
Transformers 2
Casino Royale
The Dark Knight

I know there were more than those four, so help jog my memory.

Also, if someone knows how to add forced subtitles for Return of the Jedi, Red Dawn, and Dragon Wars, through Rejig, that'd be a handy guide.  I used DVD Lab so I have no clue.

I just posted in the X-Men forum (which I'm sure people check religiously...haha), but I'm having a really weird issue with reauthoring that DVD. To save myself the time of re-explaining it, here's my post:

I just recently got into making my own RiffTrax DVDs and have run into a few problems here and there with certain DVDs (which I've heard is common). I'm having a really weird issue with my X-Men DVD (bearing in mind that it's not some goofy version of the movie; it's just the original release with solely the first flick). Every time I rip it using ReJig, the video completely skips the sequence in the beginning where Rogue puts that dude in a coma; it goes from a shot of the house, to her screaming because he's seizing, then gets into the scene with the senate hearing thing.

Any ideas? It's a weird issue that I haven't heard about...Thanks in advance for the help :-D
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: deadking13 on February 18, 2010, 03:39:57 PM
that could be a flaw in the disc itself.  i had a similar problem with Independence day.  i've learned to make an ISO of the original disc  using DVD shrink and mount that ISO image before using rejig to rip the ISO image instead of the disk.  i have found that this reduces problems with the discs.  i didn't have that problem with X-Men so assuming you are using the original DVD, that would be my only guess. 
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Corny Commentaries on February 18, 2010, 04:55:45 PM
that could be a flaw in the disc itself.  i had a similar problem with Independence day.  i've learned to make an ISO of the original disc  using DVD shrink and mount that ISO image before using rejig to rip the ISO image instead of the disk.  i have found that this reduces problems with the discs.  i didn't have that problem with X-Men so assuming you are using the original DVD, that would be my only guess. 

What's the whole "mounting" thing (besides a setup for Michael Scott's "That's what she said!")? The weird thing is that I've ripped the dvd using dvd decrypter and it all works fine. I'll rip it using DVD shrink now, but some more help would be amazing :-D
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on February 18, 2010, 06:52:17 PM
that could be a flaw in the disc itself.  i had a similar problem with Independence day.  i've learned to make an ISO of the original disc  using DVD shrink and mount that ISO image before using rejig to rip the ISO image instead of the disk.  i have found that this reduces problems with the discs.  i didn't have that problem with X-Men so assuming you are using the original DVD, that would be my only guess. 

What's the whole "mounting" thing (besides a setup for Michael Scott's "That's what she said!")? The weird thing is that I've ripped the dvd using dvd decrypter and it all works fine. I'll rip it using DVD shrink now, but some more help would be amazing :-D

What it means is using a program like Slysoft's Virtual Clone Drive (http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html).  The program is pretty intuitive.  You create a virtual drive that is assigned whatever letter is available on your computer.  Mine uses the E: and F: drives.

Then you can mount an ISO file and it becomes a virtual disc in your drive.  Try downloading the software.  It's pretty easy to figure out.  The result is that you the computer has a virtual DVD in a virtual DVD drive that you can rip.

Kinda like this.

(http://www.thrifty.f2s.com/clonedrive1.gif)
(http://www.thrifty.f2s.com/clonedrive2.gif)
(http://www.thrifty.f2s.com/clonedrive3.gif)
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on February 18, 2010, 06:54:07 PM
Also, though I barely remember it, I had the same problem, and it  was the topic of my very first post (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,4335.msg115924.html).
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: JimJ on March 21, 2010, 09:12:15 PM
Thanks so much for this awesome guide!  Just did my first successful re-author (300). The first disc I burned had the riffers sounding like chipmunks but I realized that I hadn't set Audacity project rate or whatever it's called.  Once I fixed that and re-burned the disc it seems to be working fine.  The riffers are a little loud but that's fine, I don't need to hear the movie when the riffers are talking.  Going to try The Happening now.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Agent_Ispep on March 22, 2010, 05:32:55 PM
Hey guys.  I'm (eventually) going to update the top post with links and/or short tutorials on dealing with some of the trickier movies.  Help me put together the list, would ya?  Off the top of my head, I can think of:

Star Trek (2009)
Transformers 2
Casino Royale
The Dark Knight

I know there were more than those four, so help jog my memory.

Also, if someone knows how to add forced subtitles for Return of the Jedi, Red Dawn, and Dragon Wars, through Rejig, that'd be a handy guide.  I used DVD Lab so I have no clue.


Some I can remember that were difficult were...
Grey's Anatomy and LOST I could never get the 2nd part of the episodes to either sync with the main audio or the Riff
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids
Post by: rand0mZer0 on April 02, 2010, 03:28:59 PM
I do have one question though. I'm trying to cut the intro of the riff in Audacity, but for some reason it won't cut.

I tried using CTRL+X but it won't do it. When I highlight it and try cutting it using the File option, it's not highlighted. I don't know if it's something where I have to reinstall the program but if anyone has any tips on how to help me, it would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids
Post by: Thrifty on April 02, 2010, 06:35:44 PM
I do have one question though. I'm trying to cut the intro of the riff in Audacity, but for some reason it won't cut.

I tried using CTRL+X but it won't do it. When I highlight it and try cutting it using the File option, it's not highlighted. I don't know if it's something where I have to reinstall the program but if anyone has any tips on how to help me, it would be greatly appreciated.

It sounds like you've just paused the riff during playback.  You can't cut or paste when the playback is paused.  You have to press stop. 
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids
Post by: rand0mZer0 on April 03, 2010, 01:14:22 PM
I do have one question though. I'm trying to cut the intro of the riff in Audacity, but for some reason it won't cut.

I tried using CTRL+X but it won't do it. When I highlight it and try cutting it using the File option, it's not highlighted. I don't know if it's something where I have to reinstall the program but if anyone has any tips on how to help me, it would be greatly appreciated.

It sounds like you've just paused the riff during playback.  You can't cut or paste when the playback is paused.  You have to press stop. 

Yep. That's exactly what I did. I was gonna update my post but just forgot too. I'm starting to get the hang of Audacity and I actually did everything right except for the syncing of the movie with the riff, which is the main part of the process for obvious reasons.

I got another question: Is it essential to silence the audio before the riff? Say if i cut the intro but left the 3 seconds of silence before the riff, would I still be able to sync it or is it better to just silence it. When I watched the finished product, the audio & riff were off by like at least 7 seconds.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids
Post by: Thrifty on April 04, 2010, 03:33:35 AM
I got another question: Is it essential to silence the audio before the riff? Say if i cut the intro but left the 3 seconds of silence before the riff, would I still be able to sync it or is it better to just silence it. When I watched the finished product, the audio & riff were off by like at least 7 seconds.

The silencing is optional, but highly recommended.  If you didn't do it, the riff would still sync up, but the final product would sound weird.  When you started your DVD, you'd hear a part of the intro, which would then sharply jump into the riff.

So like if there were 3 seconds that you left unsilenced, and that 3 seconds was from the start of the riff, you'd hear a few notes of the intro music, then an abrupt shift into a riff.  The movie would sync, but the beginning would sound weird.  You can see what I mean if you play the synced riff in Audacity before doing the silence.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids
Post by: Thrifty on April 05, 2010, 06:40:21 PM
I meant to mention this earlier, but I've updated the top post of this thread to include a list of more difficult rips.  Also put in a plug for AnyDVD.  I've never used it, but it comes highly recommended.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Misty on May 05, 2010, 01:36:06 PM
I'm not sure if this is completely relevant for this thread, but if anyone is having a hard time getting past the copyright protection for their DVD, I've had a pretty high success rate using a combination of DVD43 and DVD Decrypter.  Most of you are probably already familiar with DVD Decrypter, but I've found that DVD43 (which simply runs in the background when you pop in a DVD) helps out with those hard-to-decrypt DVDs that DVD Decrypter alone can't seem to decrypt. And best of all both are free:

http://www.dvd43.com/

http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/

Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Corny Commentaries on May 06, 2010, 10:01:19 AM
I'm not sure if this is completely relevant for this thread, but if anyone is having a hard time getting past the copyright protection for their DVD, I've had a pretty high success rate using a combination of DVD43 and DVD Decrypter.  Most of you are probably already familiar with DVD Decrypter, but I've found that DVD43 (which simply runs in the background when you pop in a DVD) helps out with those hard-to-decrypt DVDs that DVD Decrypter alone can't seem to decrypt. And best of all both are free:

http://www.dvd43.com/

http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/



Thanks for bringing up DVD43 - never heard of it before, and I'd definitely love to give it a try. I looked it up but found out that it's not compatible with Windows 7 (I don't know the technical mumbo jumbo, but something about 64 bit somethingorother...). Anyone know of anything else like this that would also be freeware?
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on May 08, 2010, 04:02:10 AM
I'm not sure if this is completely relevant for this thread, but if anyone is having a hard time getting past the copyright protection for their DVD, I've had a pretty high success rate using a combination of DVD43 and DVD Decrypter.  Most of you are probably already familiar with DVD Decrypter, but I've found that DVD43 (which simply runs in the background when you pop in a DVD) helps out with those hard-to-decrypt DVDs that DVD Decrypter alone can't seem to decrypt. And best of all both are free:

http://www.dvd43.com/

http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/

Cool.  I'll update the original post with that recommendation.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on May 08, 2010, 04:03:10 AM
Updated initial post with Misty's recommendation, and a link to an auto-ducking guide.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Misty on May 08, 2010, 03:23:18 PM
Sweet  :)  Hope it helps someone out.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: byuni on May 08, 2010, 05:12:14 PM
I notice that this reauthoring guide ends up mixing the DVD audio down to a stereo track.  This is fine for most people but I like keeping my audio 5.1.

To do this I extract the AC3 audio out of the ripped DVD files with VirtualDub+MPEG2 plugin (File->Save WAV) -(though you don't need to do this if you extract the AC3 file in some other way, like the one in this reauthoring guide).  I open this in Audacity with the ffmpeg extension, it shows 6 channels of audio (FL,FR,Center,Sub,RL,RR).  I align the rifftrax with this and mix it into track 3 (you can mix it into track 1 or 2 if you prefer the audio to the left or right side).  Move the mixed track back up to being "Track 3".  Then in Audacity Preferences->Import/Export, choose "Custom Mix" instead of "Always mix tracks down".  Now, Export it in AC3 format (the ffmpeg plugin lets you do this too).

This preserves the 5.1 sound, and makes me happy.  Sometimes.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Compound on May 18, 2010, 07:39:28 PM
Ugh.

Okay, my plan for the week was to get caught up with my Rifftrax authoring. And I have 90% of the movies done. But the stack I have remaining are all turning out to be problem cases. Here's the issue that I'm having.

These discs (Paranormal Activity, New Moon, even Poltergeist and others) have copy protection that requires me to use DVD Fab make a "clean" copy of the disc, which I then can rip and use to make a disc. And I've done this with other discs with no problems. But with these particular discs, when I open them up in a DVD player, they're fine. But when I rip them, the audio is fine, but the video is short. Not truncated, but sped up. The video for  Paranormal Activity, for example, is a half hour shorter than the audio track. I've tried using DVD Decrypter and Rejig and they both have the same result. This is driving me nuts. Are there any alternate programs that I should be trying here?
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: deadking13 on May 21, 2010, 10:16:53 AM
Ugh.

Okay, my plan for the week was to get caught up with my Rifftrax authoring. And I have 90% of the movies done. But the stack I have remaining are all turning out to be problem cases. Here's the issue that I'm having.

These discs (Paranormal Activity, New Moon, even Poltergeist and others) have copy protection that requires me to use DVD Fab make a "clean" copy of the disc, which I then can rip and use to make a disc. And I've done this with other discs with no problems. But with these particular discs, when I open them up in a DVD player, they're fine. But when I rip them, the audio is fine, but the video is short. Not truncated, but sped up. The video for  Paranormal Activity, for example, is a half hour shorter than the audio track. I've tried using DVD Decrypter and Rejig and they both have the same result. This is driving me nuts. Are there any alternate programs that I should be trying here?

I used DVD fab for a while, but i've pretty much fallen in love with AnyDVD.  because every single disc that comes out seems to have copy protection, I have learned to follow the same plan for every re-author.  I open anyDVD to remove the copy protection then I use DVDshrink to make a movie-only ISO copy.  I mount that using virtual clone drive and then use re-jig to demux and using that formula (which may take a bit longer) I have had zero problems re-authoring.  The biggest pain in the butt I had was Independence Day, which turned out to be not one, but two faulty discs.  I had the problems you were describing with that one, but mine just turned out to be a skip in the disc.  I have a hard time believing that all your discs are scratched though.  I strongly suggest using DVDshrink to make the movie-only ISO then mounting it and going with whatever you normally do to demux and edit. 
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Misty on June 02, 2010, 11:10:12 AM
Ok, I had my first problem with DVD43 (the freebie alternative to AnyDVD).  I tried ripping The Dark Knight and Star Trek (2009) with DVD Decrypter while DVD43 ran in the background.  Both DVDs kept coming back with I/O problems so I thought there was just something wrong with the discs.  After getting different DVDs for each movie, I was still getting the same error.  I finally broke down and got AnyDVD.  Both The Dark Knight and Star Trek ripped perfectly.

Conclusion, while DVD43 has worked great for me for older DVDs, it may not work so well for some of the latest blockbusters. Just a warning for anyone who was looking to use it.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Misty on June 02, 2010, 11:15:20 AM
One more note (now that I've looked back at the first post here). I was able to rip The Matrix Revolutions with DVD43. I'm not sure if it'll work for the others on that list though. Obviously it didn't work for The Dark Knight and Star Trek.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Compound on June 18, 2010, 01:03:21 PM
Okay, I've run into another strange one.

I'm reauthorizing the last half dozen titles that I never got around to doing (Mostly iRiffs, and a couple of problem titles that I gave up on until now.) and I've run into a problem that I haven't had before.  (The problem title here is Minority Report, but I don't think that matters.)

I've got everything ready to burn, but when I use DVD Shrink to burn the disc, the audio disappears partway through the movie. When I open up the folder in VLC, the audio's still there playing nicely, but somewhere during the burn, 75% of the audio vanishes. Any ideas for the cause or a fix?
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: deadking13 on July 05, 2010, 08:52:54 PM
I notice that this reauthoring guide ends up mixing the DVD audio down to a stereo track.  This is fine for most people but I like keeping my audio 5.1.

To do this I extract the AC3 audio out of the ripped DVD files with VirtualDub+MPEG2 plugin (File->Save WAV) -(though you don't need to do this if you extract the AC3 file in some other way, like the one in this reauthoring guide).  I open this in Audacity with the ffmpeg extension, it shows 6 channels of audio (FL,FR,Center,Sub,RL,RR).  I align the rifftrax with this and mix it into track 3 (you can mix it into track 1 or 2 if you prefer the audio to the left or right side).  Move the mixed track back up to being "Track 3".  Then in Audacity Preferences->Import/Export, choose "Custom Mix" instead of "Always mix tracks down".  Now, Export it in AC3 format (the ffmpeg plugin lets you do this too).

This preserves the 5.1 sound, and makes me happy.  Sometimes.

I'm interested in trying this.  I'm far from an expert in audacity, but this all makes sense to me except for one thing... how do I mix the edited riff into the dialogue track (track 3).  If I export it in a "custom mix" won't it end up with six channels instead of the normal 5 for a movie track?  i just need to know if i need to mix the dialogue track and the riff track into a single track and what is the easiest way to do that. 
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: makphisto on March 20, 2012, 01:43:23 PM
Very helpful guide, I'm reauthoring my first movie as we speak. One comment, when you get to the Audacity part of the instructions, step 7 says:
7) If you mouse over to the left hand side of the

It seems to be missing something. Probably not important, but I wanted to point it out. Thanks for the guide!
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Thrifty on March 20, 2012, 04:42:59 PM
Very helpful guide, I'm reauthoring my first movie as we speak. One comment, when you get to the Audacity part of the instructions, step 7 says:
7) If you mouse over to the left hand side of the

It seems to be missing something. Probably not important, but I wanted to point it out. Thanks for the guide!

Oh hmm.  That is odd.  I can't quite figure what I was trying to say.  I probably got started, then moved to another section, and forgot to go back and finish.  I'll see if I can figure it out and revise that later.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Danecho1967 on March 21, 2012, 06:55:20 AM
thanks again for your very useful guide.  i have a question.  what exactly is the point of taking the AC3 audio and making it into WAV format?  i've now done the reauthoring a few times without doing this and i can't seem to see any reason for doing so.  but i was wondering if there was a specific purpose for it or doing so avoids issues in the future. 
The non-beta version of Audacity can't handle AC3 audio files.  The newer, beta version can only handle them if you download the add-on.  Also, converting to WAV converts the original 6 channel audio track into a 2 channel track.

I highly recommend that Audacity users use the beta version, because the non-beta version doesn't have auto-ducking.  If you are using the beta version, you might as well get the AC3 add-on and learn to do 6 channel reauthors.  6 channel reauthors simply sound better, even when listened to with headphones or on a two speaker television or stereo system.

I plan to do a movie this weekend, and I'll take some screenshots and make a 6 channel mixing guide.  It's not that hard to do and it's worth the little extra effort.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: makphisto on March 27, 2012, 01:20:48 PM
I plan to do a movie this weekend, and I'll take some screenshots and make a 6 channel mixing guide.  It's not that hard to do and it's worth the little extra effort.
I would very much like to see this guide. I've gotten the "bare bones" of reauthoring down now, and I'd like to add to the quality of my burns.
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Corny Commentaries on June 26, 2014, 04:04:24 PM
Heyo!

Haven't posted here in a while, but since I (semi)recently switched to Mac, I'm wondering if someone has a handy guide for Mac users. The link in the original post by Thrifty isn't working, so I'm hoping someone has something awesome to share. I found one Mac guide, but that one requires Mac the Ripper, which the newest OS doesn't run. Thanks in advance for the help!
Title: Re: Thrifty's All New Comprehensive Rifftrax Reauthoring Guide (with visual aids!)
Post by: Ryan on January 01, 2016, 08:45:32 AM
This guide worked pretty well, except I had an issue with Titanic.
When using rejig to author disc 2 (I reauthored disc 1 and 2 of the 10th anniversary edition separately) I ended up with just a few kilobytes of data in my AUDIO_TS/VIDEO_TS directories.
To work around this I did the following:
   -While rejig is authoring, quit just before the multiplexing is done. Then I had a vob file of the disc in the output directory, it cut off when I quit so I may have lost a minute or two of credits.
   - Use DVDStyler to generate an ISO from the vob. I just dragged the vob and dropped it into the bottom window. I have a basic menu with a Play All button that goes to the vob.

Other than this disc, I re-authored a few movies without problems. A couple other tips I have come across,
-You can import the AC3 file directly into audacity. The channel order in audacity is L R C SUB SL SR
-Use autoduck in audacity. Put rifftrax on the bottom, then highlight all the other audio, Click Effect - > AutoDuck. I use .1 second for the time in/out of ducking and -10db duck.
-Make sure you Stop the audacity play back before trying to do any action like cut, Effect, etc. If you just pause instead of stop, you wont be able to do anything.
-When exporting audio from audacity, choose 6 chanels, keep the same channel order and add the rifftrax audio to whichever channels you want (I did 1,2,3)