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Title: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 25, 2009, 02:52:07 PM
While I can't in good conscience truly mourn a child molester, he was a true icon and made some amazing music.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on June 25, 2009, 02:54:08 PM
Woah.  Really?  Two celebs in one day.

Cite source?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 25, 2009, 02:55:02 PM
TMZ reported it first, and it's blocked at work.  But go there, it's on the homepage.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: iv3rdawG on June 25, 2009, 02:55:55 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on June 25, 2009, 03:00:25 PM
Well, celebrities usually die in sets of three.  Who's next?

We still have 6 more hours (9 on the west coast) to make them all in the same day.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 25, 2009, 03:02:32 PM
Well, celebrities usually die in sets of three.  Who's next?

We still have 6 more hours (9 on the west coast) to make them all in the same day.

Ed McMahon started this three trend I'd say.  Hopefully we're done.

*goes to LA and forms a human shield around Betty White* 
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: iv3rdawG on June 25, 2009, 03:03:06 PM
TMZ seems to be the only source reporting that he's dead. But they usually are right.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: torgosPizza on June 25, 2009, 03:10:59 PM
Find it odd / compelling / creepy that they have a variation of the word "dead" 3 times in that URL.

Also, here's a strange comment left on that site:

"rest in peace my gerni

holla from san diego.

japanese number one"

Japanese number one WHAT??
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Steve-O on June 25, 2009, 03:16:04 PM
Jesus, I go out of state for a week, and this is what happens? 

Can't I leave you people alone for a second?!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 25, 2009, 03:17:05 PM
"japanese number one"

Japanese number one WHAT??
People cope in different ways.  Japanese number one, Michael. Japanese number one...
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Steve-O on June 25, 2009, 03:18:06 PM
"japanese number one"

Japanese number one WHAT??
People cope in different ways.  Japanese number one, Michael. Japanese number one...

Is that when somebody puts pee pee in your Coke?

No, wait, that's Chinese number one.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 25, 2009, 03:20:27 PM
Washington Post is backing up TMZ

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/25/AR2009062503056.html?hpid=entnews (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/25/AR2009062503056.html?hpid=entnews)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: mrbasehart on June 25, 2009, 03:20:45 PM
Big fan of his music, but not of the person.  RIP.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 25, 2009, 03:22:10 PM
Now, Headline News says that the hospital is saying he's in a coma.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Dim of the Yard on June 25, 2009, 03:24:14 PM
The Los Angeles Times is reporting he's dead. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/pop-star-michael-jackson-was-rushed-to-a-hospital-this-afternoon-by-los-angeles-fire-department-paramedics--capt-steve-ruda.html)  They were initially saying that he was in a coma.  They've only just changed the story.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Invisible NanoGhost on June 25, 2009, 03:24:48 PM
Find it odd / compelling / creepy that they have a variation of the word "dead" 3 times in that URL.

That's done to have all three words there for searches done in google or other search engines.  They're trying to get their article to pop up at the top of any likely searches done on the story.

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: iv3rdawG on June 25, 2009, 03:27:55 PM
*edit*
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 03:29:56 PM
CNN's getting it from the L.A. Times.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Artie on June 25, 2009, 03:32:38 PM
Children around the world are a little safer today. 

That may be a little harsh but I have no sympathy for a pedophile, no matter how badly his parents and being in show biz so young messed him up.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Relaxing Dragon on June 25, 2009, 03:32:47 PM
I think CNN still has him in just a coma.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 03:34:11 PM
And the Washington Post is quoting TMZ, not "backing them up."
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: iv3rdawG on June 25, 2009, 03:40:04 PM
Yahoo citing AP:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_michael_jackson
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Raven on June 25, 2009, 03:40:46 PM
Well, he's looked like he's been dead for quite a while anyway.  That was one messed up guy.  RIP
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: GregMcduck on June 25, 2009, 03:41:43 PM
michael jackson the joke

rip a guy who made some good music
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Rattrap007 on June 25, 2009, 03:43:08 PM
He was a freaky weird guy, but he made some great music..
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 25, 2009, 03:43:40 PM
Um....don't get me wrong. I feel very sorry for his children (the ones he's been raising because there's been questions). Especially the way they've been raised...smothered, in fact.  That South Park episode is going through my head.

But this stuff on the news about how sad this is....

Even one of the jurors at the trial said, "We believe he's done this kind of thing. They just didn't prove it in this particular case."

Remember the whole man.

And the Washington Post is quoting TMZ, not "backing them up."

You've just been sitting waiting to pounce for the past month, haven't you?  Jesus.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: GregMcduck on June 25, 2009, 03:45:18 PM
Remember the whole man.

Very few people are doing that, they'd rather stick to one extreme or another.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 25, 2009, 03:47:27 PM
Remember the whole man.

Very few people are doing that, they'd rather stick to one extreme or another.

I know. Some guy they just interviewed in front of the hospital said that all of music started with John Lennon and Michael Jackson....

Someone that brain-dead shouldn't be getting close to a morgue.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on June 25, 2009, 03:51:26 PM
Well, this kind of sucks. Coming right on the heels of Farah Fawcett also dying. Man. Not that I was a fan of either, but still shocking nonetheless.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 25, 2009, 03:54:33 PM
Wow, so his body finally caught up with his career and reputation.

Not sure it's sad, more just, huh, really.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: iv3rdawG on June 25, 2009, 04:00:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/AP-ObLX7lZc&hl=en&fs=1&
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: wurwolf on June 25, 2009, 04:03:52 PM
I think it's sad. He wasn't old and he was planning on launching a come back tour. I would have liked to have seen what he would have done. Regardless of what his personal life was like, he's given the world some incredible music and entertainment. I feel like now he's gone too young and the world has lost out on what he might have done.

The flip side of that, of course, is that now fewer kids will be molested. So... take that as you will.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 25, 2009, 04:26:12 PM
Well, celebrities usually die in sets of three.

No they don't people just choose to remember that they do.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Invisible NanoGhost on June 25, 2009, 04:44:01 PM
One of my uncles often says "Funerals always come in threes".  And yet, somehow, every funeral manages to be "the third" in a set of three.  I've never heard him at a funeral say "well, no one else has died recently, so I guess we should be seeing two more within a week...".
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 25, 2009, 04:47:37 PM
Yesterday, when Farrah passed, my friend and I were talking and I even told him that I was worried about Patrick Swayze because of these deaths coming in threes.

He told me online about Jackson's cardiac arrest by saying, "You were right but you got the wrong one."
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Compound on June 25, 2009, 04:48:24 PM
Well, I've been getting my news from the World of Warcraft trade channel today, so I am saddened to hear of the deaths of both Michael Jordan and Randy Jackson.

I still believe that I you can fly, dawg.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 25, 2009, 05:24:41 PM
In Twitter and Facebook news, RIP Jeff Goldblum, and let's all pray Harrison Ford is found somewhere near his sunken boat.  Oh social networking, you are classy and beautiful.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 25, 2009, 05:27:39 PM
In Twitter and Facebook news, RIP Jeff Goldblum, and let's all pray Harrison Ford is found somewhere near his sunken boat.  Oh social networking, you are classy and beautiful.

I saw someone on my Facebook friends list falling for the Jeff Goldblum one. "But I can't find reports of it on the internet..."

Use your head...  ::)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 25, 2009, 05:30:39 PM
Bright side: MTV is playing all MJ's videos.  I forgot how much I love the video for "Leave Me Alone".
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RoninFox on June 25, 2009, 05:30:50 PM
Apparently the "reports" about Goldblum are a recycled hoax from 1999.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on June 25, 2009, 05:48:43 PM
Well, celebrities usually die in sets of three.  Who's next?

We still have 6 more hours (9 on the west coast) to make them all in the same day.

Fawcett was the third.

1.  David Carradine
2.  Ed McMahon
3.  Farrah Fawcett


1.  Michael Jackson
2. -----------------------
3.  ----------------------

As far as the molestation charges go: thou shall not bear false witness.  It's rather like, "Doubt."  It's a HORRIBLE thing that they did to that man and his career if he was innocent, and it's a GRAVE thing he did if he wasn't.  We'll just never know but, he'll always have this asterisk by his name.

Fox News interviewed via phone Uri Geller.  According to the magician, under hypnosis, Jackson denied molesting any child and claimed he paid the money because he just wanted it all to stop.

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 25, 2009, 06:22:01 PM
Well, celebrities usually die in sets of three.  Who's next?

We still have 6 more hours (9 on the west coast) to make them all in the same day.

Fawcett was the third.

1.  David Carradine
2.  Ed McMahon
3.  Farrah Fawcett


1.  Michael Jackson
2. -----------------------
3.  ----------------------

As far as the molestation charges go: thou shall not bear false witness.  It's rather like, "Doubt."  It's a HORRIBLE thing that they did to that man and his career if he was innocent, and it's a GRAVE thing he did if he wasn't.  We'll just never know but, he'll always have this asterisk by his name.

Fox News interviewed via phone Uri Geller.  According to the magician, under hypnosis, Jackson denied molesting any child and claimed he paid the money because he just wanted it all to stop.



Are you serious?

A) David died on June 3rd, when does the magical celebrity death count start and finish? Of course they happen in threes if you're allowed to have a almost a month in between deaths! How many famous people in the world are there? What would be incredible is if a celebrity DIDN'T die every week.

Here's a list of famous people who died so far this year:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2009_deaths

Celebrities don't die in threes, they just die and we convince ouselves there is some kind of pattern.

B) Uri Geller is a very well documented fraud.

http://skepdic.com/geller.html
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: ScottotD on June 25, 2009, 06:50:14 PM
HOLD ON SWAYZE!


Jackson became very sad to me the last decade or so, he was pretty much reduced to being a lazy and outdated punchline for inane morning DJs.  No matter what you think about the surguries, rumours or anything else, nobody can deny the Jackson 5 and his first 3 solo albums are some amazing pop music (anyone who isn't smiling by the time the vocals kick in on "I want you back" has no heart)

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on June 25, 2009, 06:51:29 PM
Yeah, I don't count David Carradine on this '3's List' either..  :-\

Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and now Michael Jackson died of natural causes; not murder/suicide..
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 25, 2009, 06:58:22 PM
Yeah, I don't count David Carradine on this '3's List' either..  :-\

Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and now Michael Jackson died of natural causes; not murder/suicide..

AEA not murder/suicide.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on June 25, 2009, 07:01:24 PM
Yeah, I don't count David Carradine on this '3's List' either..  :-\

Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and now Michael Jackson died of natural causes; not murder/suicide..

AEA not murder/suicide.
Ok then.. :-[
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 25, 2009, 07:07:33 PM
Incidentally, do we think Barbara Walters plays this before each obit show she does:

http://www.youtube.com/v/7BMP-H2ydJk&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1

That old Chica's got to benefiting from the quickening somehow.

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MrTorso on June 25, 2009, 07:59:57 PM

Here's a list of famous people who died so far this year:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2009_deaths

Thanks for that. I now know that "Bernard Ashley (businessman)" died... I am sad....

Also I do have to say that when someone famous dies there won't be a shortage of stuff for you to buy.  I had people FRANTIC to get their hands on MJ cds and DVDs and whatevers I had in stock at my store.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on June 25, 2009, 08:13:16 PM
Yeah, I don't count David Carradine on this '3's List' either..  :-\

Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and now Michael Jackson died of natural causes; not murder/suicide..

AEA not murder/suicide.
Ok then.. :-[

It doesn't change the fact that he is dead.  Just because he was controlling the situation doesn't change the fact that he was a celeb and he died.

But, if people want to exclude him due to time issues.....or, they believe the 3s rule is ballocks, fine.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 25, 2009, 08:15:26 PM

It doesn't change the fact that he is dead.  Just because he was controlling the situation doesn't change the fact that he was a celeb and he died.

But, if people want to exclude him due to time issues.....or, they believe the 3s rule is ballocks, fine.

Do you believe it is an ancient curse or something?

By what mechanism do you think it works?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 25, 2009, 08:31:58 PM
If you believe in the "death of threes" please take five minutes to listen to this. (http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52008-01-28.mp3)

(Well, some of the conversation is about "numerology" too.)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 25, 2009, 08:32:31 PM

It doesn't change the fact that he is dead.  Just because he was controlling the situation doesn't change the fact that he was a celeb and he died.

But, if people want to exclude him due to time issues.....or, they believe the 3s rule is ballocks, fine.

Do you believe it is an ancient curse or something?

By what mechanism do you think it works?

The magic of mylar?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on June 25, 2009, 08:32:43 PM

It doesn't change the fact that he is dead.  Just because he was controlling the situation doesn't change the fact that he was a celeb and he died.

But, if people want to exclude him due to time issues.....or, they believe the 3s rule is ballocks, fine.

Do you believe it is an ancient curse or something?

By what mechanism do you think it works?

*Opens mouth to answer*  ......  *closes mouth*  *Opens mouth to answer again*  .....  *closes mouth*  *Opens mouth and has some air or something gag out incoherently.*  *closes mouth*  Hmmmmm.......I'm...I'll get back to you on that one......

Alright, maybe it's superstition related to the Crucifixion or something and has no basis......
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: mrbasehart on June 25, 2009, 08:36:14 PM

It doesn't change the fact that he is dead.  Just because he was controlling the situation doesn't change the fact that he was a celeb and he died.

But, if people want to exclude him due to time issues.....or, they believe the 3s rule is ballocks, fine.

Do you believe it is an ancient curse or something?

By what mechanism do you think it works?

The magic of mylar?

There is no magic in mylar.  It's a hateful, clingy, fragile yet annoyingly sharp material that's scarred four of my fingers over the past decade.  A pox on mylar!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: NRRork on June 25, 2009, 08:37:25 PM
Nah, there's no way in hell there's any force out there that's making celebrities die in 3s, but it certainly does SEEM to happen. Most likely it just happens often enough to stick out in our minds.

But yeah, my response was just like.... "He's fucking DEAD!?" Ed McMahon was at an appropriate age to die of natural causes, and Farrah Fawcett had very advanced cancer, so neither of those were particularly shocking. That's not to say it wasn't sad that they died, but Michael Jackson was FIFTY, man! That's no age to go! As far as I know he didn't have any life-threatening illnesses either.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: ScottotD on June 25, 2009, 08:49:38 PM

It doesn't change the fact that he is dead.  Just because he was controlling the situation doesn't change the fact that he was a celeb and he died.

But, if people want to exclude him due to time issues.....or, they believe the 3s rule is ballocks, fine.

Do you believe it is an ancient curse or something?

By what mechanism do you think it works?

De La says 3 is a magic number
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 25, 2009, 08:55:11 PM
Scott - don't make me unpack my adjectives.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on June 25, 2009, 09:05:03 PM
I love how Roger Ebert pays his respects to the man:
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090625/PEOPLE/906259982 (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090625/PEOPLE/906259982)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: BathTub on June 25, 2009, 09:55:28 PM
Some of my favourite gags so far.

"Tour coordinators in UK have had to cancel Michaels dates, Toby 7, Johnny 8 and Daryn 10"

"Neverland Ranch is apparently flying little boy's pants at half mast in honor of this fallen icon."
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on June 25, 2009, 11:01:52 PM
Some of my favourite gags so far.

"Tour coordinators in UK have had to cancel Michaels dates, Toby 7, Johnny 8 and Daryn 10"

"Neverland Ranch is apparently flying little boy's pants at half mast in honor of this fallen icon."


X(  TOO SOON!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Pak-Man on June 25, 2009, 11:37:21 PM
I remember the time when Michael Jackson was the coolest man walking the face of the earth. Even after all the controversy and speculation, he's always been the force that gave us the Moonwalk and a handful of video games back in the day. I never cared for much of his music, but he did give Weird Al the inspiration for some of his best songs. It always seemed like he was a force. He was the cream of the crop. The very tip-top of stardom. Even after everything that happened and other things that might not have happened came out, it still felt like he was a force like the wind or the rain. It's hard to believe that force is gone.

Rest in Peace, Michael Jackson.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Nekrose on June 26, 2009, 03:19:57 AM
He made the only pop music I've ever been able to listen to. It's not like he was going to come out with any new stuff though anyway. I'm not quite sure if I believe it though. He's supposedly a bad invincible motherfucker.

I think it's time to revisit Bo Selecta.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on June 26, 2009, 05:12:18 AM
In the "Too Soon" cagetory (??) I heard someone yesterday say that he was conscious long enough to ask to be taken to the children's hospital....

And the whole "they die in threes thing" is kinda true in my own experience.  Not that I've died in threes but when I worked as an EMT I could usually count that we'd get three deaths in a row to respond and when I was a newspaper editor I don't think I ever printed an issue with less than three obits.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: darkchashy on June 26, 2009, 05:23:15 AM
I'd like to think that the late night jokes died with the man. As for the whole three's thing, be quiet.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 05:25:23 AM
anyone who isn't smiling by the time the vocals kick in on "I want you back" has no heart

Yep that is some great work; by writers Berry Gordy, Freddie Perren, Alphonzo Mizell, and Deke Richards & musicians Freddie Perren (Keyboards),   Joe Sample (Piano), David T. Walker (Guitar), Louis Shelton (Guitar), Don Peake (Guitar), Wilton Felder (Bass) and Gene Pello (Drums).
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on June 26, 2009, 05:33:56 AM
Well, celebrities usually die in sets of three.

No they don't people just choose to remember that they do.


I'd rather stick to fun statistics rather than accurate ones, thank you.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on June 26, 2009, 05:36:50 AM
HOLD ON SWAYZE!


Jackson became very sad to me the last decade or so, he was pretty much reduced to being a lazy and outdated punchline for inane morning DJs.  No matter what you think about the surguries, rumours or anything else, nobody can deny the Jackson 5 and his first 3 solo albums are some amazing pop music (anyone who isn't smiling by the time the vocals kick in on "I want you back" has no heart)

Sure I can.  The dude made decent professional grade museic, but nothing awesome.   I'll take They Might Be Giants and Barenaked Ladies over Michael Jackson any day.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: anais.jude on June 26, 2009, 05:43:17 AM
I remember the time when Michael Jackson was the coolest man walking the face of the earth. Even after all the controversy and speculation, he's always been the force that gave us the Moonwalk and a handful of video games back in the day. I never cared for much of his music, but he did give Weird Al the inspiration for some of his best songs. It always seemed like he was a force. He was the cream of the crop. The very tip-top of stardom. Even after everything that happened and other things that might not have happened came out, it still felt like he was a force like the wind or the rain. It's hard to believe that force is gone.

Rest in Peace, Michael Jackson.


This is how I feel, except I like his early stuff, but yea. He was a force
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Doctor Who? on June 26, 2009, 07:16:21 AM
Sorry but I have trouble feeling sad about this.

I don't think making music people likes gives someone the right to rape kids.

I'm pretty sure if he had been anyone else he would have spent a good portion of the last 20 years in prison.

What does make me sad is that so many people decided his raping kids wasn't a big deal because "He makes great music".

I'm not saying I am glad he is dead I am just saying I am not sad.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: ScottotD on June 26, 2009, 07:53:31 AM
Sorry but I have trouble feeling sad about this.

I don't think making music people likes gives someone the right to rape kids.

Riiight and if that happening was anything more than speculation and rumor that would be relevant.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Doctor Who? on June 26, 2009, 08:01:30 AM
If Jackson had been a middle class guy living in a trailer who dressed in a wife beater he would have gone to prison.

I am not saying that the parents shouldn't get some of the blame for leaving their kids with him or that they didn't try to exploit the situation but there were just too many details and too much stuff found.

Face it the guy was raping kids,you just don't want to feel guilty only talking about his music.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 26, 2009, 08:32:50 AM
Sorry but I have trouble feeling sad about this.

I don't think making music people likes gives someone the right to rape kids.

Riiight and if that happening was anything more than speculation and rumor that would be relevant.

Riiiight....the court system is perfect. No one guilty ever walks and no one innocent is convicted by mistake (or due to a bad defense).   ::) 
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 26, 2009, 08:43:29 AM
I've long had theory that fame is so unnatural that it just messes up the brain.  That's why the most famous people on the planet are all completely batshit.  It doesn't excuse anything that he "allegedly" (probably) did, but like Ebert said, he spent his entire adulthood trying desperately to recreate the childhood that went wrong for him.  Prince needed a camel at 1am in Minnesota (per Kevin Smith's story), Tom Cruise ate Katie's placenta, Britney Spears shaved her head and attacked a car with an umbrella.  Fame = crazy.  It's just the way of it.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on June 26, 2009, 08:52:57 AM
I'm very conflicted on how I feel about this. While I really do love his music, I really can't mourn the loss of a pedophile, which I truly believe that he was. It's just one of those weird twists in life.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 08:56:40 AM
I'm very conflicted on how I feel about this. While I really do love his music

Well if it helps, many more people made that music great and just didn't get the credit they deserved. :)

Ever see Standing in the Shadows of Motown? The Funk Brothers weren't an aberration.  :-\
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 26, 2009, 09:16:49 AM
Fame = crazy.  It's just the way of it.

There's also the theory that you have to be crazy to go through everything it takes to become famous in the first place.

Meanwhile, was listening to Hal Sparks today saying look at Justin Timberlake and Brittany Spears. Both started in the Mickey Mouse Club, became teen idols, they almost mirrored each other's careers....and yet Spears ended up how she did and at the same time Timberlake appears to be very level headed.

Reminds me of a book I read by a social anthropologist about "The Elephant Man", John Merrick (ironically). Comparing how he was such a gentle soul despite the very rough life and then to a man who'd been born into the British aristocracy, rich as hell but afflicted with dwarfism and that second man turned out to be a miserable, nasty SOB to everyone.  Said it all came down to nuturing from day one.  Merrick's mother doted on him. The family of the other man couldn't deal with the fact that he wasn't normal and shunned him.

Then again, Jackson's parents didn't really give him much choice in the matter (Dad was abusive and stole their childhoods from them - Mom stood by and watched).
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on June 26, 2009, 09:23:16 AM
Reminds me of a book I read by a social anthropologist about "The Elephant Man", John Merrick (ironically). Comparing how he was such a gentle soul despite the very rough life and then to a man who'd been born into the British aristocracy, rich as hell but afflicted with dwarfism and that second man turned out to be a miserable, nasty SOB to everyone.  Said it all came down to nuturing from day one.  Merrick's mother doted on him. The family of the other man couldn't deal with the fact that he wasn't normal and shunned him.

Man this is giving me throwbacks to my old psychology class and our "Nature vs. Nurture" debates.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Pak-Man on June 26, 2009, 09:28:04 AM
There are child celebrities that fade out of the limelight and there are people who become famous later on for the rest of their days. Michael Jackson is the first celebrity I can think of who was famous when he was young right up (Albeit for different reasons) until the day he died. Can't imagine what it would be like to live in the spotlight for an entire lifetime.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MontyServo on June 26, 2009, 09:28:30 AM
For what it's worth, I don't believe any of it.  I don't believe that he was a pedophile.  And I certainly don't believe that he was "raping kids".

My feeling, from day one, has been that it was all a shakedown for cash.  Nothing more and nothing less.

Sure, he showed an insane lack of judgment.   He was stupid enough (maybe naive is a better term here) to let strangers get so close to him that they would be able to throw any sort of claim at him.

But people are gonna believe what they believe.  I know I'm not gonna change any minds here, and none of you will likely change mine.

As far as his music goes, I was never the biggest fan.  I had Thriller and Off The Wall on vinyl, as did a lot of kids my age back then.  Beyond those two albums, I only ever liked a single or two of his.  "Smooth Criminal" was a favorite.  And "You Are Not Alone" too.

I'm sure we will have this story dominate the news for the next few days, until his funeral and the inevitable tribute concert.  Then he will become like Elvis, Lennon, Marilyn, Jimi and many others, and continue making money long after he is gone.  (Which is good for his kids, since I think he left a ton of debt behind.)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: ScottotD on June 26, 2009, 09:44:00 AM
Face it the guy was raping kids,you just don't want to feel guilty only talking about his music.

No, he could have been skinning and eating people live on TV but that wouldn''t have made his music less awesome,
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: iv3rdawG on June 26, 2009, 09:45:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/aSqo17o2a1w&hl=en&fs=1&
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on June 26, 2009, 09:49:19 AM
For what it's worth, I don't believe any of it.  I don't believe that he was a pedophile.  And I certainly don't believe that he was "raping kids".

I believe it, but even if it was true and his intentions were completely innocent, Michael was pretty stupid about it. It's a great thing to help kids, but when you're an adult male, you have to take certain precautions and show the utmost appropriateness at all times. This means NOT having little kids sleep in your bedroom (especially if said bedroom has an alarm installed to warn its occupants of anyone approaching the door).  
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 09:52:04 AM
Face it the guy was raping kids,you just don't want to feel guilty only talking about his music.
No, he could have been skinning and eating people live on TV but that wouldn''t have made his music less awesome,
Thankfully most of the people who were actually responsible for how awesome it was are still with us (though some have died obviously).
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 26, 2009, 09:55:30 AM
Fame = crazy.  It's just the way of it.

There's also the theory that you have to be crazy to go through everything it takes to become famous in the first place.

Meanwhile, was listening to Hal Sparks today saying look at Justin Timberlake and Brittany Spears. Both started in the Mickey Mouse Club, became teen idols, they almost mirrored each other's careers....and yet Spears ended up how she did and at the same time Timberlake appears to be very level headed.

Reminds me of a book I read by a social anthropologist about "The Elephant Man", John Merrick (ironically). Comparing how he was such a gentle soul despite the very rough life and then to a man who'd been born into the British aristocracy, rich as hell but afflicted with dwarfism and that second man turned out to be a miserable, nasty SOB to everyone.  Said it all came down to nuturing from day one.  Merrick's mother doted on him. The family of the other man couldn't deal with the fact that he wasn't normal and shunned him.

Then again, Jackson's parents didn't really give him much choice in the matter (Dad was abusive and stole their childhoods from them - Mom stood by and watched).

Yeah, there are obvious exceptions.  People like Tom Hanks and Meryl Streep have been famous forever and turned out well.  Macauly Culkin somehow seems pretty okay now, but I think that's more a life finally lived out of spotlight.   But I think when you take someone with questionable upbringings (which is rarely not the case with a child star, otherwise their parents wouldn't have pimped them in the first place) and add quick fame, money and an army of yes-men and hangers-on, you get Lindsay Lohan or a Corey or even worse.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: ScottotD on June 26, 2009, 10:02:41 AM
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believe it, but even if it was true and his intentions were completely innocent, Michael was pretty stupid about it. It's a great thing to help kids, but when you're an adult male, you have to take certain precautions and show the utmost appropriateness at all times. 

He was pretty obviously a mental and astoundingly naive but  there's a long way from that to being a pedophile.


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Thankfully most of the people who were actually responsible for how awesome it was are still with us (though some have died obviously)./quote]

yeah, thanks for trolling. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway I'd rather Lindsay Lohan or a Corey than the painful blandness of Hanks.

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 10:08:13 AM
yeah, thanks for trolling.
How is it trolling pray tell?

Michael Jackson was neither a great lyricist (13, or more accurately 12.5 songs out of the 29 comprising the three core albums, none during his Jackson 5 days or early solo career) nor an acompliship musician. Those great albums are the work of people who were (esapeciallty the latter group).

And, unless he's died in the last day, Quincy Jones is still around to provide the same production skills.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: ScottotD on June 26, 2009, 10:18:48 AM
"trolling" just seems more polite than saying you're being a prick for no reason.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 10:26:09 AM
"trolling" just seems more polite than saying you're being a prick for no reason.
I'm not, I'm pointing out that a lot of talented people were overshadowed by somebody who, in the final analysis, didn't actually contribute a great deal to the huge success that he achieved.

Michael Jackson was very successful, the music is great. It would be nice to recognize those who truly made it that way.

Or don't you think true merit should be recognised?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on June 26, 2009, 10:30:41 AM
"trolling" just seems more polite than saying you're being a prick for no reason.

What the hell? Totally uncalled for, why would you say something like that?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 10:31:52 AM
"trolling" just seems more polite than saying you're being a prick for no reason.

What the hell? Totally uncalled for, why would you say something like that?

It's ok that's just our ScottH . :)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on June 26, 2009, 10:35:58 AM
I'd like to interject to remind you that, musicianship aside, he was also a phenomenal dancer and showmanship.  He's also "co-responsible" for changing music videos into how we think of them still to this day.  Debate his musicianship, fine.  But I'd like to see Quincy Jones try moonwalking... and still make it look that cool.

As far as his later life, it hit me that he was probably more like Boo Radley.  Scary recluse with an eerie disposition (all he needed was a push from bad talk and implication to turn him into a monster).  Turns out he was just a stunted man-child.

My feeling, from day one, has been that it was all a shakedown for cash.  Nothing more and nothing less.
Very well said post, Monty.  I find it disconcerting how little attention the accusing family received.  They have a history of extorting celebrities by rehearsing their kids!  Jay Leno testified saying the kid hit him up for money as well and "sounded rehearsed."  I defy anyone to read the Wiki entry for The People vs. Michael Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson) and walk away saying, "Oh yeah, no question he did it."  The family (well, the father and definitely the mother) are absolute scum.  Suing J.C. Penny for $3M because she claims her "breasts were fondled for up to seven minutes" by one of the security guards as she shoplifted!?  I mean, c'mon!  Those who make a career out of abusing the justice system like them should be, well, put in jail!

But as you said, Monty:
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But people are gonna believe what they believe.  I know I'm not gonna change any minds here, and none of you will likely change mine.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 26, 2009, 10:41:01 AM
yeah, thanks for trolling.
How is it trolling pray tell?

I thought I was being called troll by saying that Tom Hanks is not a drugbag or living in an amusement park
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: dignan on June 26, 2009, 10:50:14 AM
Whether or not this is the case, my belief on it is that Michael Jackson had mental issues much in the same way that Brian Wilson does, but whereas Brian Wilson seems to be eternally 16, Michael seemed like he was eternally 8.  Anyway, I'm glad he gave us Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on June 26, 2009, 10:55:47 AM
Perhaps this is the wrong thread and a new thread needs to be started to deal with the "pedophilia" aspect of this man.

The room with the alarm (that's not true, is it?) brought to mind this: when the police raided his room, didn't they find costumes for children or manequins in various states of undress?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on June 26, 2009, 11:02:11 AM
"trolling" just seems more polite than saying you're being a prick for no reason.

What the hell? Totally uncalled for, why would you say something like that?

It's ok that's just our ScottH . :)

Ah. I don't frequent the boards often enough to know who our registered psychos are.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: ScottotD on June 26, 2009, 11:05:14 AM
...or to know how unintentionally ironic you're being it seems, ah well.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 11:06:16 AM
I'd like to interject to remind you that, musicianship aside, he was also a phenomenal dancer and showmanship.  He's also "co-responsible" for changing music videos into how we think of them still to this day.  Debate his musicianship, fine.  But I'd like to see Quincy Jones try moonwalking... and still make it look that cool.

Oh yes without a doubt, but when the topic is purely the music you have to say he wasn't all that involved. But he's not alone in that, the most talented people at Motown, for the most part, weren't the ones whose names were prominent on the records, and Motown wasn't/isn't unique.

...or to know how unintentionally ironic you're being it seems, ah well.
Hmm not really seeing where she's being ironic, intentionally or otherwise. Care to explain where you think it lies?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on June 26, 2009, 11:08:42 AM
...or to know how unintentionally ironic you're being it seems, ah well.

Sure, hon. Whatever makes you happy.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on June 26, 2009, 11:11:48 AM
...or to know how unintentionally ironic you're being it seems, ah well.
Whoa... I just had flashbacks of Isaac-sized incoherency for a moment there.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: ScottotD on June 26, 2009, 11:25:10 AM
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Sure, hon. Whatever makes you happy.
Sorry to interrupt your condescending fun, however where I'd say the insanity of this site lies in people  becoming unhinged about the idea of proposed remakes, sequels, etc.  (or slagging and/or dismissing the thoughts of others) However hanging around a thread related to a very influential artist and regularly telling people they're wrong for enjoying his work would fairly clearly be prick-like behavior. 

Then again, I've never understood the behavior of the masses online so I may be breaking some kind of unwritten rule by not dismissing the impact of the recently dead which would explain the last page or so of crap aimed at me.


Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 11:26:19 AM
However hanging around a thread related to a very influential artist and regularly telling people they're wrong for enjoying his work would fairly clearly be prick-like behavior.
Who did that?

Nobody said you're wrong to enjoy the music. I think you might want to chill out a little there, you'll do yourself a mischief.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: GregMcduck on June 26, 2009, 11:28:16 AM
You did that.

Not that I think ScottH is handling this the right way.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 11:28:40 AM
You did that.
No, I didn't.

Please show me where I said you are wrong to enjoy the music. I think you'll find I've stated multiple times that the music is very good.

I've also said it is nice to recognize those who worked hard making that great music great. But apparently Scott doesn't believe in giving credit where it is due. :)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: ScottotD on June 26, 2009, 11:31:30 AM
You did that.

Not that I think ScottH is handling this the right way.

I agree on both points, moving on thread-wise




except I'll edit things to change the context, did someone mention Isaac?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 11:33:38 AM
You did that.

Not that I think ScottH is handling this the right way.
I agree on both points, moving on thread-wise
But you're wrong on the first. Please show where I said you are wrong to enjoy the music.

Feel free to toss in an anyway or something of that ilk since you'll not be able to provide what I asked for.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 26, 2009, 11:34:58 AM
Let's all do a synchronized Thriller dance in the spirit of friendship and togetherness.  Let me get my zombifying eyeshadow.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 11:35:56 AM
In a minute, Scot needs to either provide a quote where I did the thing he's all upset about or throw in his customary "anyway" :)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on June 26, 2009, 11:36:31 AM
Let's all do a synchronized Thriller dance in the spirit of friendship and togetherness.  Let me get my zombifying eyeshadow.
I'll do the Vincent Price laugh >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 26, 2009, 11:37:40 AM
In a minute, Scot needs to either provide a quote where I did the thing he's all upset about or throw in his customary "anyway" :)

NO.  IT IS TIME TO GODDAMN DANCE.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: GregMcduck on June 26, 2009, 11:38:06 AM
You did that.
No, I didn't.

Please show me where I said you are wrong to enjoy the music. I think you'll find I've stated multiple times that the music is very good.

I've also said it is nice to recognize those who worked hard making that great music great. But apparently Scott doesn't believe in giving credit where it is due. :)

It's fair to say that Jackson wasn't the sole person behind his music or his genre, but you know, you can say that about EVERYBODY, and unless I missed something, that's all you've been doing in this thread. It's like if I went to a Farrah Fawcitt thread and went "yeah, but without Betty Page and Wonder Woman and..." I'd be derailing it.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on June 26, 2009, 11:39:11 AM
In a minute, Scot needs to either provide a quote where I did the thing he's all upset about or throw in his customary "anyway" :)

NO.  IT IS TIME TO GODDAMN DANCE.
Suddenly picturing Mike, Kev, and Bill in The Wild Women of Wongo skit.. :D :D
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: ScottotD on June 26, 2009, 11:39:38 AM
In a minute, Scot needs to either provide a quote where I did the thing he's all upset about or throw in his customary "anyway" :)

Would a minute be enough time for you to edit and re-edit your post?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: GregMcduck on June 26, 2009, 11:41:35 AM
In a minute, Scot needs to either provide a quote where I did the thing he's all upset about or throw in his customary "anyway" :)

Would a minute be enough time for you to edit and re-edit your post?

Ok, we've been down that road before, it never worked, stop it.

Let me be your guide in taking on Tripe. :P
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 11:42:05 AM
It's like if I went to a Farrah Fawcitt thread and went "yeah, but without Betty Page and Wonder Woman and..." I'd be derailing it.
Not even close to comparable;

The music is great, but the musicians who created it (not in the genre the actual music of Michael Jackson) were more responsible for it's greatness than Jackson himself.

Like I said the music is great, I love the music. But it would be nice to recognizance those who made that music.

I also said his body has finally caught up with is career and reputation. Tell me that isn't the case.

Truly there are many subjects I can talk about but a few I'm very confident on and one of them is Motown. There's a reason I first started visiting Detroit, and it wasn't due to loving American Cars and Midwestern women, though I do love those too. :)

In a minute, Scot needs to either provide a quote where I did the think he's all upset about or throw in his customary "anyway" :)
Would a minute be enough time for you to edit and re-edit your post?
Dear boy, I only edit for spelling and other structural; errors. I stand by what I post, go on, try to find where I've said you are wrong for liking the music. :)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on June 26, 2009, 11:42:37 AM
In a minute, Scot needs to either provide a quote where I did the thing he's all upset about or throw in his customary "anyway" :)

NO.  IT IS TIME TO GODDAMN DANCE.

I'm with Courtney. We all must zombie dance. RIGHT NOW.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s_30zQFJp4g/RzflFH4wMQI/AAAAAAAABrY/sgO4wa2S_6M/s320/wwow%2B07.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Invisible NanoGhost on June 26, 2009, 11:44:24 AM
I'm still hoping for Courtney and the zombifying eyeshadow.  Sounds like a punk band, but I'm picturing early Pat Benatar.

... Or maybe Amy Lee of Evanescence.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on June 26, 2009, 11:47:12 AM
It's like if I went to a Farrah Fawcitt thread and went "yeah, but without Betty Page and Wonder Woman and..." I'd be derailing it.

I wouldn't really put up a fuss if you did. The thread is pretty dead at the moment.

I do, however, feel that I need to apologize to Scott for my comments.
I'm sorry for implying that you are a psycho, that wasn't very fair of me at all.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on June 26, 2009, 11:47:47 AM
I'd like to interject to remind you that, musicianship aside, he was also a phenomenal dancer and showmanship.  He's also "co-responsible" for changing music videos into how we think of them still to this day.  Debate his musicianship, fine.  But I'd like to see Quincy Jones try moonwalking... and still make it look that cool.

As far as his later life, it hit me that he was probably more like Boo Radley.  Scary recluse with an eerie disposition (all he needed was a push from bad talk and implication to turn him into a monster).  Turns out he was just a stunted man-child.

My feeling, from day one, has been that it was all a shakedown for cash.  Nothing more and nothing less.
Very well said post, Monty.  I find it disconcerting how little attention the accusing family received.  They have a history of extorting celebrities by rehearsing their kids!  Jay Leno testified saying the kid hit him up for money as well and "sounded rehearsed."  I defy anyone to read the Wiki entry for The People vs. Michael Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson) and walk away saying, "Oh yeah, no question he did it."  The family (well, the father and definitely the mother) are absolute scum.  Suing J.C. Penny for $3M because she claims her "breasts were fondled for up to seven minutes" by one of the security guards as she shoplifted!?  I mean, c'mon!  Those who make a career out of abusing the justice system like them should be, well, put in jail!

But as you said, Monty:
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But people are gonna believe what they believe.  I know I'm not gonna change any minds here, and none of you will likely change mine.

Don't be too pessimistic.  Your posts have me rethinking at least.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 26, 2009, 11:48:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/G695Wz6KJFk&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: ScottotD on June 26, 2009, 11:49:42 AM
In a minute, Scot needs to either provide a quote where I did the thing he's all upset about or throw in his customary "anyway" :)

Would a minute be enough time for you to edit and re-edit your post?

Ok, we've been down that road before, it never worked, stop it.

Let me be your guide in taking on Tripe. :P

The answer seems to be not daring to have an opinion that opposes him, I usually find his arrogance and shock really funny.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 11:50:34 AM
In a minute, Scot needs to either provide a quote where I did the thing he's all upset about or throw in his customary "anyway" :)

Would a minute be enough time for you to edit and re-edit your post?

Ok, we've been down that road before, it never worked, stop it.

Let me be your guide in taking on Tripe. :P

The answer seems to be not daring to have an opinion that opposes him, I usually find his arrogance and shock really funny.

So, still can't find it eh?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: GregMcduck on June 26, 2009, 11:52:47 AM
Ok, Scott, cool your jets.

I wouldn't really put up a fuss if you did. The thread is pretty dead at the moment.

You're right, I don't have a lot of energy in this, I just don't want people jumping on Scott when he's more or less right.

Because, Tripe, this?

anyone who isn't smiling by the time the vocals kick in on "I want you back" has no heart

Yep that is some great work; by writers Berry Gordy, Freddie Perren, Alphonzo Mizell, and Deke Richards & musicians Freddie Perren (Keyboards),   Joe Sample (Piano), David T. Walker (Guitar), Louis Shelton (Guitar), Don Peake (Guitar), Wilton Felder (Bass) and Gene Pello (Drums).

This is pretty dickish. Not worth Scott's level of anger, but dickish.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on June 26, 2009, 11:54:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/G695Wz6KJFk&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1

  It loses something with the Legos, but gains something else. I'm not sure what yet, but it's awesome!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MontyServo on June 26, 2009, 11:57:31 AM
The music is great, but the musicians who created it (not in the genre the actual music of Michael Jackson) were more responsible for it's greatness than Jackson himself.

I don't know if I would go that far.  It was a perfect storm of performer, songwriters (including Jackson himself), production, and musicians that created Thriller.  If you take any piece from that puzzle, it certainly would not be as epic.  But I think you short change Jackson quite a bit.  Remove him from the equation and replace him with El DeBarge and see what you get.

Note: I totally dig DeBarge and have several albums by them.  But I don't think any of them could have duplicated what MJ did with Thriller.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 26, 2009, 12:07:08 PM
The music is great, but the musicians who created it (not in the genre the actual music of Michael Jackson) were more responsible for it's greatness than Jackson himself.

I don't know if I would go that far.  It was a perfect storm of performer, songwriters (including Jackson himself), production, and musicians that created Thriller.  If you take any piece from that puzzle, it certainly would not be as epic.  But I think you short change Jackson quite a bit.  Remove him from the equation and replace him with El DeBarge and see what you get.


Agreed.  The songs are amazing, and that's absolute teamwork, but don't neglect the man as a performer.  We studied him in my dance classes like he was Anna Pavlova.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on June 26, 2009, 12:21:37 PM
Prison Thriller!!

http://www.youtube.com/v/o5nZcFIf3qc&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"

Let's boogie!!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 26, 2009, 12:36:35 PM
Well if you're going to post that, I'm going to post this. Now everyone can witness his span of influence! Michael Jackson may not have done everything, but he was the centerpiece that brought all the talent together.
http://www.youtube.com/v/LbvP7dT3Dx0&hl=en&fs=1&
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Nekrose on June 26, 2009, 12:42:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/LbvP7dT3Dx0&hl=en&fs=1&

Who the hell thought this was a good idea?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: dignan on June 26, 2009, 12:45:51 PM
I wish I had the video evidence for this, but if nothing else, these reminiscences have brought back fond memories of the "Jacko On His Backo" SNL skit. 
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 26, 2009, 12:47:49 PM
I wish I had the video evidence for this, but if nothing else, these reminiscences have brought back fond memories of the "Jacko On His Backo" SNL skit. 
I looked for that too. That Ted Koppel impersonation still resonates through my ears.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Raven on June 26, 2009, 12:51:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/LbvP7dT3Dx0&hl=en&fs=1&

Who the hell thought this was a good idea?

Well at least this one had a female cast in the female lead.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on June 26, 2009, 01:14:36 PM
I wish I had the video evidence for this, but if nothing else, these reminiscences have brought back fond memories of the "Jacko On His Backo" SNL skit. 

I was thinking of that last night/this morning.

"Say it!"
--"NO!"
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on June 26, 2009, 01:15:55 PM
I wish I had the video evidence for this, but if nothing else, these reminiscences have brought back fond memories of the "Jacko On His Backo" SNL skit. 
That's how the news was broken to me!  My brother called me and said (in a Ted Koppel impression) "Well I guess Jacko Will Stay On His Backo now" (to which I responded with a "what?" and a Yahoo homepage hit).

Prison Thriller!!

http://www.youtube.com/v/o5nZcFIf3qc&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"

Let's boogie!!

Did ya hear they're doing it again as a tribute (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090626/ennew_afp/entertainmentusmusicjacksonphilippinesprisonyoutube) this Saturday?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on June 26, 2009, 02:34:39 PM
SSssshh... Be vewy vewy quiet.. :o
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on June 26, 2009, 02:41:35 PM
Well if you're going to post that, I'm going to post this. Now everyone can witness his span of influence! Michael Jackson may not have done everything, but he was the centerpiece that brought all the talent together.
Oh....great....now I've got THAT running through my head!!!

I thought I was gonna have to step on something when the little "V" started scrolling down the screen....don't have my DDR pad here at work...
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 26, 2009, 03:15:30 PM
And the whole "they die in threes thing" is kinda true in my own experience.  Not that I've died in threes but when I worked as an EMT I could usually count that we'd get three deaths in a row to respond and when I was a newspaper editor I don't think I ever printed an issue with less than three obits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: gbeenie on June 26, 2009, 03:21:09 PM
...or to know how unintentionally ironic you're being it seems, ah well.
Whoa... I just had flashbacks of Isaac-sized incoherency for a moment there.

Alas, ScottH and Isaac are frequently two sides of the same coin. So, of course, they hate each other.  :)

Oh, and TripeHoundRedux: While I think your point is valid, you may be belaboring it a bit.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 26, 2009, 03:37:19 PM
anyone who isn't smiling by the time the vocals kick in on "I want you back" has no heart

Yep that is some great work; by writers Berry Gordy, Freddie Perren, Alphonzo Mizell, and Deke Richards & musicians Freddie Perren (Keyboards),   Joe Sample (Piano), David T. Walker (Guitar), Louis Shelton (Guitar), Don Peake (Guitar), Wilton Felder (Bass) and Gene Pello (Drums).
This is pretty dickish. Not worth Scott's level of anger, but dickish.

Not really, you do know that song was originally written for Gladys Knight right? Then I seem to recall they considered giving it to Diana Ross. At the time I'm sure either would have produced a stellar song, a different feel but a stellar song. And, just like the song that was recorded, the thing people would have remembered the most would be the music itself; that is the Motown sound.

Also I'm not saying there that anyone is wrong for liking the music, the music is great.

Oh, and TripeHoundRedux: While I think your point is valid, you may be belaboring it a bit.
All I want is an acknowledgment that I never said anyone is wrong for liking the music.

That's all :)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: gbeenie on June 26, 2009, 03:40:31 PM
Let's all do a synchronized Thriller dance in the spirit of friendship and togetherness.  Let me get my zombifying eyeshadow.

In the past ten years, our Rocky Horror cast did at least three performance numbers at Halloween shows with a "Thriller" theme.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 26, 2009, 05:02:04 PM
Tripe.....ask me again if I've missed this place.

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/robotrix/Smileys/11.gif)

I'll admit that I haven't watched ever minute of the "wake" on TV but.....I noticed something and need to ask a question.

I have yet to hear or see any mention at all of Captain Eo in all of these retrospectives,  Not even on ABC - which is owned by Disney. Has anyone  else seen someone mention it?

Anyone see it mentioned?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: mrbasehart on June 26, 2009, 05:17:44 PM
I wondered why this thread had doubled in size.  Now I know: arguing! :)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on June 26, 2009, 05:57:48 PM
Now that I think of it, no one has mentioned either Michael Jackson's plan idea from a few years ago to have a huge, motorized statue of himself put on the Vegas strip either. In light of what has happened, it seems very wrong not to have that done now.

Course, I never stopped thinking it should be done, but still.....
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on June 26, 2009, 07:22:17 PM
I have yet to hear or see any mention at all of Captain Eo in all of these retrospectives,  Not even on ABC - which is owned by Disney. Has anyone  else seen someone mention it?

Anyone see it mentioned?
Anaheim fondly remembers Jackson's 'Captain Eo' (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=14182250&src=news)

And the whole "they die in threes thing" is kinda true in my own experience.  Not that I've died in threes but when I worked as an EMT I could usually count that we'd get three deaths in a row to respond and when I was a newspaper editor I don't think I ever printed an issue with less than three obits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Exactly.  :)  I didn't say "definitively"....just in my own experience.  And since when has anyone ever looked to me for all the answers???  ;D
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 26, 2009, 07:41:26 PM
And the whole "they die in threes thing" is kinda true in my own experience.  Not that I've died in threes but when I worked as an EMT I could usually count that we'd get three deaths in a row to respond and when I was a newspaper editor I don't think I ever printed an issue with less than three obits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Exactly.  :)  I didn't say "definitively"....just in my own experience.  And since when has anyone ever looked to me for all the answers???  ;D

But you also said in your own experience it WASN'T true, by saying "usually" there'd be three (as in you didn't count anytime there were less for some reason) and there wouldn't be "less than three obits" as in for some reason four, or five or more count as three.

What you actually said is, people die at random times in random numbers, but I believe in the "deaths in threes" rule so I choose to interpret the data that way.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on June 26, 2009, 08:16:17 PM
I have yet to hear or see any mention at all of Captain Eo in all of these retrospectives,  Not even on ABC - which is owned by Disney. Has anyone  else seen someone mention it?

Anyone see it mentioned?
Anaheim fondly remembers Jackson's 'Captain Eo' (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=14182250&src=news)
That story made Yahoo's homepage... which is just hilarious to me.  Even better:  the reporter ends the story by saying basically "No one really remembers Captain EO here.  Just thought we'd say that, um, Michael Jackson kinda had his own ride here and is remembered by a few people who were young."  Is there anything funnier than a news report outright saying "this isn't news"?  Hahaha.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Compound on June 26, 2009, 09:20:11 PM
Let's lighten things up a bit.

Neverland Ranch Investigators Discover Corpse Of Real Michael Jackson (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/neverland_ranch_investigators?utm_source=infocus)

Gotta love the Onion. Although I did see a variant of this on Robot Chicken.

http://www.tu.tv/videos/robot-chicken-michael-jackson
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 27, 2009, 04:03:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/WTRup1Q0u8o&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: NRRork on June 27, 2009, 04:52:28 AM
Michael Jackson. My mom labeled him pretty well: asexual.

I really do believe that assessment of him. He was locked in this state of being a perpetual ten-year-old, at least in his head. From his point of view he was just having his friends over. I mean, don't get me wrong, that's all pretty fucked up, and certainly inappropriate. But I honestly think he didn't have any sexual motivation for that. It's just, what he was doing was, again, inappropriate no matter how he sees the world, and he was always a very strange man. Those two were a volatile mix, and people didn't so much jump to a conclusion as step to one.

And really, I think those kids suffered far more damage by having parents who were big enough imbeciles to think "The eccentric, reclusive 40-something pop singer with the plastic face wants you to spend the night at his house and play in his amusement park? Okay, have a good time, son! Don't forget to brush your teeth before bed."

The sweaty guy in the van with the Milk Duds might be a harmless, genial chap. But, it would be wise to err on the side of caution there.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 27, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Michael Jackson. My mom labeled him pretty well: asexual.

I really do believe that assessment of him. He was locked in this state of being a perpetual ten-year-old, at least in his head. From his point of view he was just having his friends over. I mean, don't get me wrong, that's all pretty fucked up, and certainly inappropriate. But I honestly think he didn't have any sexual motivation for that. It's just, what he was doing was, again, inappropriate no matter how he sees the world, and he was always a very strange man. Those two were a volatile mix, and people didn't so much jump to a conclusion as step to one.

And really, I think those kids suffered far more damage by having parents who were big enough imbeciles to think "The eccentric, reclusive 40-something pop singer with the plastic face wants you to spend the night at his house and play in his amusement park? Okay, have a good time, son! Don't forget to brush your teeth before bed."

The sweaty guy in the van with the Milk Duds might be a harmless, genial chap. But, it would be wise to err on the side of caution there.


I agree with that. I have always believed that he most likely did do something to those kids, but it was never malicious, it was like a when an abused child (and most people are of the belief that his father abused him) rubs dolls up against each other.  It's not any any excuse for those children and it will never make anthing he may have done to them okay, but if he did it, I genuinely believe he didn't understand what he was doing.  He was basically a chld himself.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 27, 2009, 05:34:55 PM
Now that I think of it, no one has mentioned either Michael Jackson's plan idea from a few years ago to have a huge, motorized statue of himself put on the Vegas strip either. In light of what has happened, it seems very wrong not to have that done now.

Course, I never stopped thinking it should be done, but still.....


Did you see the Robot Chicken take on that statue?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Shinigami on June 28, 2009, 02:41:40 PM
To pour gasoline on the death in threes debate, pitchman Billy Mays died today.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/28/mays.death/ (http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/28/mays.death/)

May you go to the great infomercial in the sky.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on June 28, 2009, 02:43:30 PM
To pour gasoline on the death in threes debate, pitchman Billy Mays died today.

That is just creepy, man.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 03:14:59 PM
To pour gasoline on the death in threes debate, pitchman Billy Mays died today.

Not sure how doesn't that make four?

Is four three now and nobody told me? :P
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 28, 2009, 03:58:34 PM
To pour gasoline on the death in threes debate, pitchman Billy Mays died today.

Not sure how doesn't that make four?

Is four three now and nobody told me? :P

I think he was saying to pour gasoline on it because it's wrong, so stop saying it.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 04:09:02 PM
To pour gasoline on the death in threes debate, pitchman Billy Mays died today.

Not sure how doesn't that make four?

Is four three now and nobody told me? :P

I think he was saying to pour gasoline on it because it's wrong, so stop saying it.

Ah! Fair enough! My bad!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on June 28, 2009, 04:59:07 PM
....OR.....

1.  David Carradine
2.  Ed McMahon
3.  Farrah Fawcett

1.  Michael Jackson
2.  Billy Mays
3. --------------

....I have not given up on this completely, you see.  I thought I had, but, then another 50 year old had to die.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 28, 2009, 05:04:25 PM
....OR.....

1.  David Carradine
2.  Ed McMahon
3.  Farrah Fawcett

1.  Michael Jackson
2.  Billy Mays
3. --------------

....I have not given up on this completely, you see.  I thought I had, but, then another 50 year old had to die.

Heard the other day that Walter Cronkite is in the hospital in a bad way.....he's 90, I think.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2009, 05:04:45 PM
....OR.....

1.  David Carradine
2.  Ed McMahon
3.  Farrah Fawcett

1.  Michael Jackson
2.  Billy Mays
3. --------------

....I have not given up on this completely, you see.  I thought I had, but, then another 50 year old had to die.
Hmm.. You ma have something here..

Their job titles were..

1) Actor
2) talk show host
3) Actress

1) singer
2) Infomercial star
What could be #3 then ?? :o
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2009, 05:08:06 PM
....OR.....

1.  David Carradine
2.  Ed McMahon
3.  Farrah Fawcett

1.  Michael Jackson
2.  Billy Mays
3. --------------

....I have not given up on this completely, you see.  I thought I had, but, then another 50 year old had to die.

Heard the other day that Walter Cronkite is in the hospital in a bad way.....he's 90, I think.
Wow.. News anchor would fit for #3 :o
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Action Batch on June 28, 2009, 05:10:04 PM
If there is a pattern, I guess it would be female singer.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 28, 2009, 05:14:26 PM
If there is a pattern, I guess it would be female singer.

Hmmm....so Whitney "Crack is Whack" Houston or Amy Winehouse?

(BTW, someone mentioned the other day....all of these people who have passed recently....and Keith Richards has somehow outlived them all?)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 28, 2009, 05:15:49 PM
(BTW, someone mentioned the other day....all of these people who have passed recently....and Keith Richards has somehow outlived them all?)

http://www.youtube.com/v/qwBABYMq9PQ&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 05:21:14 PM
....OR.....

1.  David Carradine
2.  Ed McMahon
3.  Farrah Fawcett

1.  Michael Jackson
2.  Billy Mays
3. --------------

....I have not given up on this completely, you see.  I thought I had, but, then another 50 year old had to die.

Dang it, I thought I had saved you!

OK, well, once again I ask, how does this work?

When you enter Hollywood are you assigned a "buddy?"

"OK, welcome to Tinsel Town, you can be one of us famous guys, but one thing you have to agree with is that you are paired with two buddies, and of one of those buddies dies you have 24 hours to start strangling yourself and masturbating! Bad news, I'm teaming you with Abe Vigoda and Harry Dean Stanton."

"Aw crap."

Or does Jeebus sit on his cloud and keep it all in balance? "Uh oh, MC Hammer's on his death-bed, better kill Shelly Long and Rivers Cuomo!"

My other question is what are the rules of this "rule"? EVERYbody dies and there are a LOT of famous people in the world, and as I linked earlier, famous people die EVERY day. With open ended criteria OF COURSE celebrities die in threes. Just as they die in fours, five, twenty-sevens and ninety-fours. Explain how they could NOT die in threes? If every celebrity just stops dying from now on?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 28, 2009, 05:37:29 PM
Well.....we have our "winner":

Quote
Gale Storm, perky star of 1950s TV, dies at 87

 By BOB THOMAS, Associated Press – 1 hr 22 mins ago

LOS ANGELES – Gale Storm, whose wholesome appearance and perky personality made her one of early television's biggest stars on "My Little Margie" and "The Gale Storm Show," has died at age 87.

Storm, who had been in failing health in recent years, died Saturday at a convalescent hospital, said her son, Peter Bonnell.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090628/ap_en_tv/us_obit_storm (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090628/ap_en_tv/us_obit_storm)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 05:53:00 PM
Well.....we have our "winner":

Quote
Gale Storm, perky star of 1950s TV, dies at 87

 By BOB THOMAS, Associated Press – 1 hr 22 mins ago

LOS ANGELES – Gale Storm, whose wholesome appearance and perky personality made her one of early television's biggest stars on "My Little Margie" and "The Gale Storm Show," has died at age 87.

Storm, who had been in failing health in recent years, died Saturday at a convalescent hospital, said her son, Peter Bonnell.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090628/ap_en_tv/us_obit_storm (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090628/ap_en_tv/us_obit_storm)

PROOF that celebrities die in threes.

No, sixes.

No sevens. (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,14536.0.html)

No, uh.. I can't be bothered counting that list. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_June_2009)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 05:54:39 PM
Unless of course the rule only applies to people that Lovye has personally heard of.

In which case this all got a whole lot more suspicious!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 28, 2009, 05:55:15 PM
Nobody takes the "dies in threes" troupe as seriously as you do.

It's not that important nor do people really think it exists.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 05:58:22 PM
....I have not given up on this completely, you see.  I thought I had, but, then another 50 year old had to die.

I don't take the rule seriously, I am just an advocate of critical/scientific/skeptical thinking. If I thought that people didn't believe it, it wouldn't be interesting to me at all.

And there's nothing wrong with a little debate, you know.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 28, 2009, 06:00:03 PM
....I have not given up on this completely, you see.  I thought I had, but, then another 50 year old had to die.

I don't take the rule seriously, I am just an advocate of critical/scientific/skeptical thinking. If I thought that people didn't believe it, it wouldn't be interesting to me at all.

Taking something seriously isn't just a matter of believing it.

Like I said nobody really believes it. It's simply something people say. Your getting quite het up over something really inconsequential. :)

And it's not a debate, you just keep posting "it doesn't exist!" over and over. Yes, we all know that. :)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 06:02:32 PM
....I have not given up on this completely, you see.  I thought I had, but, then another 50 year old had to die.

I don't take the rule seriously, I am just an advocate of critical/scientific/skeptical thinking. If I thought that people didn't believe it, it wouldn't be interesting to me at all.

Taking something seriously isn't just a matter of believing it.

Like I said nobody really believes it. It's simply something people say. Your getting quite het up over something really inconsequential. :)

And it's not a debate, you just keep posting "it doesn't exist!" over and over. Yes, we all know that. :)

I'm sorry, but I'm really not "het up" at all, and I am pretty sure you don't speak for everyone here and that you are wrong in that belief.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Action Batch on June 28, 2009, 06:17:06 PM
Okay, Tripe keeps a cool head and says that you're "het up", I think you're an ass wipe, and BTA says you're a righteous ideologue. So, the whole world is crazy and you're the only sane one?   
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 06:24:13 PM
Okay, Tripe keeps a cool head and says that you're "het up", I think you're an ass wipe, and BTA says you're a righteous ideologue. So, the whole world is crazy and you're the only sane one?   

I love that you three are the whole world.

Are you the mysterious PMer?

I haven't called anyone any names, just talked about a commonly held misconception. I haven't made it personal at all (except for the dumb suspicion joke above, which is only personal in that it names a name, and I don't think anyone can take offence from it).
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Action Batch on June 28, 2009, 06:33:25 PM
Are you the mysterious PMer?

I would love to take credit for that. But no, I am not.

There are a few people on this forum, of which you are one, who, say things to others in post that they would never have the gall to say to that persons face. It's just annoying. I should ignore it, that would be the smart thing to do, but sometimes, I just can't.

But this is way off topic, to the rest, I apologize.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on June 28, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
But this is way off topic, to the rest, I apologize.
What was the topic again??

Oh yeah.. That guy 8)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 06:36:34 PM
There are a few people on this forum, of which you are one, who, say things to others in post that they would never have the gall to say to that persons face. It's just annoying. I should ignore it, that would be the smart thing to do, but sometimes, I just can't.

Oh, I assure you, I am a "say it in person" kinda guy. Ask me about it if we ever meet.

I'm not even sure what I have said that you think I wouldn't say in person.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: darkchashy on June 28, 2009, 07:00:01 PM
Celebrity kills more americans daily then swine flu
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 28, 2009, 07:12:56 PM
Celebrity kills more americans daily then swine flu
The wrong ones, more often than not.

OJ, Gary Glitter and Phil Spector are still drawing breath but John Ritter drops dead of a undetectable heart defect.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 28, 2009, 07:22:21 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm really not "het up" at all,

And yet you keep insisting over and over that the "death comes in threes" thing isn't real.

We understand that.

And let's test that. Is there anyone on this thread for whom the "deaths comes in threes" thing is a deeply held belief, or is it just a silly little thing people say in situations like this?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 07:24:29 PM
And let's test that. Is there anyone on this thread for whom the "deaths comes in threes" thing is a deeply held belief, or is it just a silly little thing people say in situations like this?

That's a flawed test, anyone who posts now is going to look pretty foolish.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 28, 2009, 07:26:55 PM
And let's test that. Is there anyone on this thread for whom the "deaths comes in threes" thing is a deeply held belief, or is it just a silly little thing people say in situations like this?
That's an flawed test, anyone who posts now is going to look pretty foolish.
And the staying het up continues. That should be "that a flawed test" incidentally. :)

Sciencedammit! ;)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 07:30:50 PM
And the staying het up continues.

Sciencedammit! ;)

I am honestly as calm as can be, sitting at work and cruising the internet.

Look, did my posts come from nowhere or in direct response to other posts?

And after my posts had the person said, "Oh, I don't believe in it at all." I would have been like, "that's cool."

Once again, I really don't know how you think you can speak for the entire thread, or know what they are thinking.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 07:34:21 PM
That should be "that a flawed test" incidentally. :)

You're right, I modified it after the fact. I will fix that too.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 28, 2009, 07:38:09 PM
Once again, I really don't know how you think you can speak for the entire thread, or know what they are thinking.

Sigh

Science H. Logic, go on with your bad self.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 28, 2009, 07:40:46 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm really not "het up" at all,

And yet you keep insisting over and over that the "death comes in threes" thing isn't real.

We understand that.

And let's test that. Is there anyone on this thread for whom the "deaths comes in threes" thing is a deeply held belief, or is it just a silly little thing people say in situations like this?
Are you kidding?  I plan my whole life around it.   ;)

Whenever the second one is announced, I pick someone I don't like and start chanting in my head "Die, you SOB!"

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/robotrix/Smileys/evilsmileglitter.gif)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Action Batch on June 28, 2009, 08:02:43 PM
Once again, I really don't know how you think you can speak for the entire thread, or know what they are thinking.

Swung on and missed, strike 1,425.

It's the contention, not how many people are behind it. If Tripe tells me that I'm being dismissive about something, I'll take that as constructive criticism and talk to him about it. Not DISMISS it and say he doesn't speak for everyone. Take a hint crazy.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on June 28, 2009, 08:21:57 PM
RIP the Michael Jackson thread.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 28, 2009, 08:22:44 PM
Once again, I really don't know how you think you can speak for the entire thread, or know what they are thinking.

Swung on and missed, strike 1,425.

It's the contention, not how many people are behind it. If Tripe tells me that I'm being dismissive about something, I'll take that as constructive criticism and talk to him about it. Not DISMISS it and say he doesn't speak for everyone. Take a hint crazy.

Unless I misread what he said he literally said that none believes it, right?

My counter-point is, thus far people have said they did. Had they said they didn't (or they not posted that they did in the first place) there wouldn't have been any posting on my side.

Him saying he doesn't believe in it means that he agrees with me (though clearly not my actual posting about it or my belief that the people who said they believe it actually believe it, which is of course his prerogative, though I remind you we're on a forum and I continue to be the one who is being civil and not resorting to name calling).

Your hint is obviously too subtle for me, I genuinely don't think I have been in any way dismissive, if I have been please spell out for me what you would like me to address.

If however your problem is that this conversation continues, there's a pretty easy way to make it stop.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Action Batch on June 28, 2009, 08:32:32 PM
If however your problem is that this conversation continues, there's a pretty easy way to make it stop.

Agreed. It's easy as 1 2 3, aw simple as Do Re Mi, A B C, 1 2 3 baby you and me, girl.

RIP Jacko, you had your problems, but you made a lot of people happy. I'll miss you.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 28, 2009, 08:49:25 PM
Wow.....I don't remember this looking as much like Starcrash (Italian Z-movie with Caroline Munro, Marjoe Gortner and David Hasselhoff) as it does......

Should have warned us about the SW prequels, maybe?

http://www.youtube.com/v/gKh_D6GqvnE&hl=en&fs=1

http://www.youtube.com/v/oVgVIo_8TIE&hl=en&fs=1
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on June 28, 2009, 08:54:09 PM
(BTW, someone mentioned the other day....all of these people who have passed recently....and Keith Richards has somehow outlived them all?)

I was just thinking that today, too!  I hope he lives forever.  I really do.

Dang it, I thought I had saved you!

OK, well, once again I ask, how does this work?

I know!!!  Everything you said made some semblance of sense and everything, but, then this had to go and happen!!!

I don't know.  Maybe it's dated back to the plane crash that killed Eddie Vallens, The Big Bopper, and Buddy Holly.  I don't know why this is a superstitious saying.

Unless of course the rule only applies to people that Lovye has personally heard of.

In which case this all got a whole lot more suspicious!

If I haven't heard of somebody, they cannot die.  Of course!!!  Now it all makes perfect sense!

Okay, Tripe keeps a cool head and says that you're "het up", I think you're an ass wipe, and BTA says you're a righteous ideologue. So, the whole world is crazy and you're the only sane one?   

I love that you three are the whole world.

Those three are in that buddy system you mentioned earlier.  I have heard of them.  ....Hopefully, none of them will die now....


And, I am not offended by what you have been saying.  I have not felt any hostility from any of your posts.  I understand it's not..."logical"...perhaps, this theory, but, I just cannot shake it.

And the thing is, I remember Richard Roeper coming on Fox Thing In The Morning (Fox 32 -- Chicago) YEARS ago and saying this has no basis in anything, whatsoever, it's like, people die in 4s...like, three big names and one minor name, that not everybody had heard of.  I accepted it then.  I don't know why I hold to it now.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: AmandaGal on June 28, 2009, 10:24:49 PM
http://www.examiner.com/x-14650-Entertainment-Examiner~y2009m6d28-Fear-paranoia-loom-over-Billy-Mays-and-growing-celebrity-deaths

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In February of 1959, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and "The Big Bopper" died in a horrific plane crash.

Now regarded as "The Day The Music Died," this event in history marked the first time celebrities were believed to have died in "threes."

In 1970, the myth grew into a full blown legend when guitarist Jimi Hendrix died, almost immediately followed by singer Janis Joplin and then Doors' icon Jim Morrison.

For years to follow, most memorably in September 2003, when Johnny Cash, Warren Zevon and John Ritter all passed, the legend grew into a universally recognized contemporary old wives tale.

In August 2005, King Fahd bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud, Peter Jennings and Robin Cook died.

Over a two day period in early 2006, we lost Don Knotts, Dennis Weaver and Darren McGavin.

In January 2008, it was Brad Renfro, Suzanne Pleshette and Heath Ledger.

Last week, we lost Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and Michael Jackson.

Last night, Sunday - the beginning of a new week - we lost famous TV pitchman Billy Mays.

Many on the internet tonight fear that Mays' death will set off another round of three celebrity deaths. False rumors have already circulated that Walter Cronkite is close to death. Although there is no reason to believe that the elder newsman is about to leave us, his family has indicated that the ailing ninety-two year old newsman is not well.

Is this a legitimate news story? Absolutely not. But is the growing paranoia and fear surrounding the recent rash of celebrity deaths and history of "threes" worth noting?

Maybe.

The modern culture of celebrity is dictated by what the masses believe. And, tonight, as illustrated across vast social networks and blogging communities, star gazers are on the lookout for "the next two victims" of a pattern that many believe always dims the bright lights of Hollywood three times per cycle."
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MontyServo on June 29, 2009, 12:35:29 AM
Quote
In February of 1959, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and "The Big Bopper" died in a horrific plane crash.
Now regarded as "The Day The Music Died," this event in history marked the first time celebrities were believed to have died in "threes."

That makes a lot of sense actually.  That the whole "dies in threes" thing originally came from the Buddy Holly plane crash. 

It all sounds like a bad horror film.  A failed celebrity makes a deal with the devil and is forced to wander the earth for all eternity taking celebrities to their maker, always seemingly at random, and always "Three at a Time".   >:D
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 29, 2009, 12:57:42 AM
It all sounds like a bad horror film.  A failed celebrity makes a deal with the devil and is forced to wander the earth for all eternity taking celebrities to their maker, always seemingly at random, and always "Three at a Time".   >:D

Greenlit!

And playing the "failed celebrity" - Joe Estevez!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 29, 2009, 04:40:23 AM
I don't know why I hold to it now.

Because it's entirely harmless to hold onto such a belief.

Science on a Bike, I'm incredibly rationals but I can also recognize there are battles that are worth fighting and those which are not.

You're not a bad or stupid person for saying something almost everyone says when a celeb karks it. It's part of the patter seeking nature of humans.

Likewise it's pointless to try and convince somebody else that they don't need to constantly remind everyone that death comes randomly. So Grug can continue on his sciencedamn tedious way. No point in fighting that battle since it's even more pointless than the one he's engaging himself in over and over.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 29, 2009, 08:48:03 AM
I think the statistic is that 250,000 people die every day.  Hard to imagine it's so few considering the population but I'll go with that until I find otherwise...

The "threes" people talk about are always celebrities or other well known people.

Believing this might just be another way we're saying that those people are more special than anyone else who passed away that same day?  That they have more basic worth than someone's mother or child?

The ones that the mass media pays attention to come in "threes".

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on June 29, 2009, 10:34:34 AM
http://www.examiner.com/x-14650-Entertainment-Examiner~y2009m6d28-Fear-paranoia-loom-over-Billy-Mays-and-growing-celebrity-deaths

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In August 2005, King Fahd bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud, Peter Jennings and Robin Cook died.

Peter Jennings has been dead for nearly four years?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on June 29, 2009, 10:35:23 AM
Grug, you appear to be expending an awful lot of emotional energy into rebutting something that nobody actually believes.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on June 29, 2009, 01:08:00 PM
We now present this special crossover from the Scam 'o Clock (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,8421.msg444584.html#msg444584) thread.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 29, 2009, 04:18:09 PM
I don't know why I hold to it now.

Because it's entirely harmless to hold onto such a belief.

Science on a Bike, I'm incredibly rationals but I can also recognize there are battles that are worth fighting and those which are not.

You're not a bad or stupid person for saying something almost everyone says when a celeb karks it. It's part of the patter seeking nature of humans.

Likewise it's pointless to try and convince somebody else that they don't need to constantly remind everyone that death comes randomly. So Grug can continue on his sciencedamn tedious way. No point in fighting that battle since it's even more pointless than the one he's engaging himself in over and over.

I have never claimed Lovye was bad or stupid, that's you insinuating that, not me.

In her post she says that what I said was right, that she does in fact believe it. Therefore, you were wrong.

It's also obvious from her post (and also the PMs we sent each other) that Lovye (there very person that I had been responding to) took no offense and took the whole thing in the manor it was meant. Just because we have differing opinions doesn't mean a conversation has to devolve into personal attacks. She read what I had to say and made an informed decision - that's her choice.

Rather than admit you were wrong or at least slink away, you've attempted to use it as a further attempt to demonize me.

I'm not sure if you think you were coming to her defense, if you are anti scientific thinking or if you hold a personal grudge (I don't remember having a "run in" with you, but maybe?), I suspect it's mostly the latter.

Now I've made only a few posts on the subject, most of this conversation has been defending my self from you and your out of nowhere personal attacks.

I was hoping it was all done.

Grug, you appear to be expending an awful lot of emotional energy into rebutting something that nobody actually believes.

It's not really very much effort to make a post on a forum, and the rebutting of the "rule of threes" ended fairly soon after Tripe joined the conversation. Now I am just defending myself.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 29, 2009, 04:26:33 PM
Science on a bike.

Like I said, go on with your bad self, keep making your pointless posts about something nobody believes in.  You just don't know how to pick your battles, it's OK, no skin of my nose. I'm more interested now in whether you are UAA, UAL or AAA, thought you're unlikely to be a Sea Otter so it's probably not the latter. :)

if you are anti scientific thinking
Oh dear, ask Bathtub about that, there's a love  :D

Quote
or if you hold a personal grudge (I don't remember having a "run in" with you, but maybe?), I suspect it's mostly the latter.

you've attempted to use it as a further attempt to demonize me.
Calm down, you'll do yourself a mischief.

Oh and you forgot the most likely motivation; being bored of seeing you say "it's not real" over and over and over and over...

Occam's Razor and all that. ;)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 29, 2009, 05:38:19 PM
Calm down, you'll do yourself a mischief.

Oh and you forgot the most likely motivation; being bored of seeing you say "it's not real" over and over and over and over...

Occam's Razor and all that. ;)

I continue to be perfectly calm, and you continue to continue the conversation.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 29, 2009, 06:14:45 PM
Sure you do sweetums, whatever you say.  You checked my post when it first went up and then stewed for about an hour before replying.
 :D

Just say to yourself "it's just a thread (and indeed just a saying when we're talking about the "death come in threes" troupe), I really should relax" ;)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 29, 2009, 06:28:41 PM
Actually I made the trip from home to work (it's 9:30 am here).
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 29, 2009, 06:31:16 PM
Absolutely, lots of time to stew then ;)

For somebody who wants this to end you certainly seem keen to keep replying. ;)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 29, 2009, 06:35:53 PM
Actually I enjoyed most of the second Fantastic Four annual. It reveals the origin of Doctor Doom!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 29, 2009, 06:39:47 PM
Actually I enjoyed most of the second Fantastic Four annual. It reveals the origin of Doctor Doom!

Attaboy!  :)

Never found the Fantastic Four terribly entertaining, aside from that version done by Norm MacDonald.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 29, 2009, 06:42:25 PM
I've not seen Norm MacDonald's take, but I do love his work.

I was never a fan of the FF either, but I've been reading the Marvel Essentials book - going right back to the beginning. The FF was crazy to begin with. Kind of like Flaming Carrot, almost. A lot more fun than I thought they would be.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 29, 2009, 06:44:10 PM
I've not seen Norm MacDonald's take, but I do love his work.

Not sure if I can find it anywhere that doesn't require people to sign up. Hang about.

EDIT: Ah here we go. (http://jimsmash.blogspot.com/2008/04/fantastic-four-by-norm-macdonald.html) :)

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 29, 2009, 06:53:14 PM
Unfortunately that only played the first 30 seconds.

I'll keep my eye out for it though.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 29, 2009, 06:55:48 PM
Odd, it played the whole thing for me.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on June 29, 2009, 07:40:15 PM
Hey you guys, did you know that, apparently, Michael Jackson, The King of Pop, is dead?

Yeah, AND, he was involved in some trial a few years ago, but, it must have been low key.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: mrbasehart on June 29, 2009, 07:46:16 PM
Actually I enjoyed most of the second Fantastic Four annual. It reveals the origin of Doctor Doom!

Digression - I own a VF- copy of this issue. 
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 29, 2009, 07:50:06 PM
Hey you guys, did you know that, apparently, Michael Jackson, The King of Pop, is dead?

Yeah, AND, he was involved in some trial a few years ago, but, it must have been low key.

He was a great basketball player though.  Long live # 23!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 29, 2009, 08:00:18 PM
Hey you guys, did you know that, apparently, Michael Jackson, The King of Pop, is dead?

Yeah, AND, he was involved in some trial a few years ago, but, it must have been low key.

I'm not really familiar with his work?

Actually I enjoyed most of the second Fantastic Four annual. It reveals the origin of Doctor Doom!

Digression - I own a VF- copy of this issue. 

Heh, awesome! I got rid of most of my single issues and moved to trades.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on June 29, 2009, 08:01:44 PM
Hey you guys, did you know that, apparently, Michael Jackson, The King of Pop, is dead?

Yeah, AND, he was involved in some trial a few years ago, but, it must have been low key.


He was a great basketball player though.  Long live # 23!


YOU BEAUTIFUL LISA, YOU!!!!    My heart skipped a beat when I saw this and I had to check my post to see if I really did say Jackson!   >:(
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: mrbasehart on June 29, 2009, 08:25:41 PM
Digression - I own a VF- copy of this issue. 

Heh, awesome! I got rid of most of my single issues and moved to trades.
[/quote]

FF is the only series I really ever "collected".  The problem I have now is that my records of my collection were wiped when my computer was, so I have no idea which ones I need.  I could go through them, but they're not stored in one place, so that means basically going through my entire collection.   ::)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 29, 2009, 10:56:22 PM
"Let's see.....wearing a mask....and a jumpsuit....and hanging around schoolyards....it's Michael Jackson!!!"

- Mike Nelson, Halloween Rifftrax
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Compound on June 29, 2009, 11:52:06 PM
Hey, have you been wondering what Mark McGrath, front man for early 2000s rock band Sugar Ray thinks about MJ's death?

No?

Well, I'm going to link to it anyway.

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-286284

I just hope someone tracks down Andrew W.K. now and asks him what he thinks. I'm guessing that the word "Party" will be involved.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on June 30, 2009, 07:28:45 AM
In keeping with the "tributes"

http://www.youtube.com/v/OGTpbUIR4tA&hl=en&fs=1&
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Hebs on June 30, 2009, 07:33:36 AM
Hey, have you been wondering what Mark McGrath, front man for early 2000s rock band Sugar Ray thinks about MJ's death?

No?

Well, I'm going to link to it anyway.

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-286284


HA! It's more like "Remembering Sugar Ray ever had a CAREER"
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on June 30, 2009, 09:55:54 AM
That's always been a thing that's annoyed me in regards to celebrity incidents. Some other celebrities who often have nothing to do with whatever incident or the celebrity it's connected to get asked what they think of said incident. Then, because they've got nothing to do with it all, give the most canned responses possible.

Interviewer: "Say, Rob. What do you think of Billy Mays' untimely death?"

Rob Zombie (trying not to look confused as to why he was just asked this): "Er...well, I certainly wish his family the best. Um, this came out of nowhere for them and, uh, it's certainly tragic. So I...wish them the best. Yeah."

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 10:00:17 AM
That's always been a thing that's annoyed me in regards to celebrity incidents. Some other celebrities who often have nothing to do with whatever incident or the celebrity it's connected to get asked what they think of said incident. Then, because they've got nothing to do with it all, give the most canned responses possible.

Interviewer: "Say, Rob. What do you think of Billy Mays' untimely death?"

Rob Zombie (trying not to look confused as to why he was just asked this): "Er...well, I certainly wish his family the best. Um, this came out of nowhere for them and, uh, it's certainly tragic. So I...wish them the best. Yeah."



In a similar vein, I'm so annoyed that celebrity Tweets were considered part of the MJ death news.  At least some of them, Ludacris and John Mayer (for once not talking out his ass) for example, were thoughtful and somewhat sensical since they're actual musicians, but who gives a shit how Lindsay Lohan and Miley Cyrus feel about it? 
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: jewishcarpenter on June 30, 2009, 10:06:06 AM
I wonder how Hannah Montana took the news of his untimely demise.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 10:34:47 AM
I wonder how Hannah Montana took the news of his untimely demise.

Not well, dude.  Not well.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: mrbasehart on June 30, 2009, 10:35:45 AM
I wonder how Hannah Montana took the news of his untimely demise.

Not well, dude.  Not well.

Her horse-face was droopy for days.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on June 30, 2009, 10:39:18 AM
I thought it was puffy... from all the crying obviously.

I am so looking forward to this weeks Goop, Gwynie's sure to have something to say on the matter.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 10:41:17 AM
I wonder how Hannah Montana took the news of his untimely demise.

Not well, dude.  Not well.

Her horse-face was droopy for days.

She barely had the energy to make her sexy duck face.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/courtlynne/miley-cyrus.jpg)

I did say barely.

(^ cropped to remove the perviness.  She makes my youth sad.)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: mrbasehart on June 30, 2009, 10:43:23 AM
I wonder how Hannah Montana took the news of his untimely demise.

Not well, dude.  Not well.

Her horse-face was droopy for days.

She barely had the energy to make her sexy duck face.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/courtlynne/miley-cyrus.jpg)

I did say barely.

(^ cropped to remove the perviness.  She makes my youth sad.)

She's certailny no Jesse Spano.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 10:46:39 AM
I wonder how Hannah Montana took the news of his untimely demise.

Not well, dude.  Not well.

Her horse-face was droopy for days.

She barely had the energy to make her sexy duck face.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/courtlynne/miley-cyrus.jpg)

I did say barely.

(^ cropped to remove the perviness.  She makes my youth sad.)

She's certailny no Jesse Spano.

Well Jessie Spano only destroyed my youth.  Miley's messing with the youth of my young cousins and she's only been around three damn years.  TOO SOON, HANNAH, TOO SOON.  But I guess [obvious line] she's just being Miley.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 30, 2009, 04:01:19 PM
In a similar vein, I'm so annoyed that celebrity Tweets were considered part of the MJ death news.  At least some of them, Ludacris and John Mayer (for once not talking out his ass) for example, were thoughtful and somewhat sensical since they're actual musicians, but who gives a shit how Lindsay Lohan and Miley Cyrus feel about it?

Are you kidding?  Shaq's tweet on the subject was priceless....

"Arrrgghh...dam, dam, dam"

What the death of Michael Jackson has to do with holding back water, I don't know.  Maybe someone told him that Jacko drowned?

Or maybe he's just a big, illiterate jock?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: torgosPizza on June 30, 2009, 04:01:40 PM
"It's Miley!"
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on June 30, 2009, 04:06:28 PM
"It's Miley!"
Miley Jackson?? :o

That's why she's a Flake :D
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on June 30, 2009, 05:07:23 PM
Looks like Dad is already 'Gold-digging' ::)

Quote
Shameless Joe Jackson
Is Michael Jackson's father tainting the late singer's legacy with his public antics?

On the red carpet at the BET Awards, as CNN’s Don Lemon interviewed him, Joe Jackson was contemptuous and put-off, willing to give only terse, perfunctory answers to complicated questions. Jackson, resembling a baked potato in a pair of cheap sunglasses, came off more as a gold miner eager to stake a claim than the grieving father of his world-famous son.

I have friends who have lost parakeets, dogs, guinea pigs and wino uncles, and they’ve spent more time in mourning than Michael Jackson's father. I've been more distraught over bad sushi. He struck me as someone with a hurried agenda—in a hurry to cash a check—more than a man who has lost a son. What kind of grieving father pulls in publicists to give a statement about their grief, or a lawyer/yes-man, or some kind of micro-pimp huckster in a wide-brimmed hat to talk up some bootleg Blu-ray disk scheme?

At the BET Awards, Joe Jackson seemed far less interested in his son’s legacy, the lingering questions surrounding his death and the children he left behind. Instead, he took the opportunity to try to market some new brand of pop-music smack on the world. It was a bad look.

Later Jackson held a press conference—with Rev. Al Sharpton at his side—to offer some clarification on his red carpet demeanor. The press conference stank like cheap cigars and old malt liquor. It seems that he just wanted people to know that he and the family name will go on. But who needs spin at a time like this? I can’t think of anyone less qualified than Sharpton to be a Jackson family representative. Maybe bin Laden? Mike Tyson?

The Jackson family circus doesn’t need any more attractions right now. Sharpton’s appearance stokes the media madness and taints the solemnity of the moment. At the press conference, Jackson also talked about how he and his wife were taking responsibility for MJ’s children, but the couple have been estranged for years—they live in separate homes. Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but in my way of thinking, they probably aren’t the ideal couple to take on the responsibility of raising young children.

It’s notable that only Katherine Jackson has been granted temporary custody. He recently joined the petition, but all of it is quite sketchy.

In so many ways, there seems to be two Joe Jacksons. Rock-and-roll folklore gives us the portrait of the hard-working, blue-collar dad who looked into the eyes of his children and saw the flame that became The Jackson 5 and the force that was his uber-talented son, Michael. Then there is the other Joe Jackson, the one Michael remembered as hard-driving and abusive, the taskmaster hanging his dreams on the backs of his boys. The other Jackson children tell similar stories about their dad “motivating” them to perform with emotional and physical abuse.

So what will Joe do for his granchildren? “We gonna take care of them and give them the education they supposed to have,” he said at his press conference. The idea of this man trying to grandfather children who are probably already traumatized is, as Sharpton might say, "troubling" at best.

Under no circumstance should Joe Jackson be involved in raising these kids. We know how that turns out. And at 79, Katherine Jackson is not the ideal person to take custody of the children either. It may be time for mother Debbie Rowe to re-assume a role in her children’s life; there is too much at stake. I don’t know what kind of woman sells her children, but I feel better about her parenting skills than the Jacksons'.

Sad, right?

But it’s one of those choices between the evil you know versus the one you don’t. Someone needs to protect these children, and I don’t think Joe Jackson is cut out for that. I don’t doubt that Joe Jackson loved his son. But I doubt he is the best person to tend to his legacy.
 
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 30, 2009, 07:13:14 PM
Looks like Dad is already 'Gold-digging' ::)

Dad's been digging there since Michael was 5.

And Katherine Jackson stood by and watched it all happen. She only left him finally when it was uncovered that he'd fathered a child outside of the marriage....not because she was fed up with how the kids were treated.  She's no Parent of the Year, either.

That's why I had no trouble with all the oddball and childish stuff Jackson got up to.....

It was only when all of the accusations of child abuse started to gain crediblity.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Hebs on June 30, 2009, 09:36:26 PM
I wonder how Hannah Montana took the news of his untimely demise.

Not well, dude.  Not well.

Her horse-face was droopy for days.

She barely had the energy to make her sexy duck face.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/courtlynne/miley-cyrus.jpg)

I did say barely.

(^ cropped to remove the perviness.  She makes my youth sad.)

She's certailny no Jesse Spano.

Well Jessie Spano only destroyed my youth.  Miley's messing with the youth of my young cousins and she's only been around three damn years.  TOO SOON, HANNAH, TOO SOON.  But I guess [obvious line] she's just being Miley.



This reminds me of MY FAVORITE FailBlog post EVAR - in which a girl tries to make a 'sexy face' in the bathroom,

and there is a GIANT LOG in the toilet bowl behind her....

yaaaa femininity...
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: darkchashy on July 01, 2009, 10:00:53 AM
I wonder how Hannah Montana took the news of his untimely demise.

Not well, dude.  Not well.

Her horse-face was droopy for days.

She barely had the energy to make her sexy duck face.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/courtlynne/miley-cyrus.jpg)

I did say barely.

(^ cropped to remove the perviness.  She makes my youth sad.)

She's certailny no Jesse Spano.

Well Jessie Spano only destroyed my youth.  Miley's messing with the youth of my young cousins and she's only been around three damn years.  TOO SOON, HANNAH, TOO SOON.  But I guess [obvious line] she's just being Miley.



This reminds me of MY FAVORITE FailBlog post EVAR - in which a girl tries to make a 'sexy face' in the bathroom,

and there is a GIANT LOG in the toilet bowl behind her....

yaaaa femininity...

Rest In Peace Michael Jackson!!!!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on July 01, 2009, 03:00:49 PM
3.  Karl Malden was 97.  .....But, I acknowledge other famous people have died that were not as big in the media.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 01, 2009, 03:07:06 PM
Rest In Peace Michael Jackson!!!!

You don't really think they're going to let that happen?

They've already got crews in working on Neverland....they're going to make it "Graceland West."  You'll probably get to go see all of those disturbing paintings and red headed child manniquins on display....

They're probably in touch with the crews that keep the remains of Lenin looking decent for tips already.

(Anyone see the part of "Life After People" about the mummified remains of Lenin and the Egyptians?  Ick!)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on July 01, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
Okay, okay, enough already.

It's fine that people are sad about this, but do they have to play Michael Jackson music EVERYWHERE I FRIGGIN' GO!? I'm actually starting to hate some of his songs which I never wanted to happen and I'm sure was never Best Buy's intention, but there ya go.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on July 01, 2009, 03:17:35 PM
Okay, okay, enough already.

It's fine that people are sad about this, but do they have to play Michael Jackson music EVERYWHERE I FRIGGIN' GO!? I'm actually starting to hate some of his songs which I never wanted to happen and I'm sure was never Best Buy's intention, but there ya go.
I keep hearing this complaint... I want this complaint!  My tv broke a couple weeks ago so I haven't watched any tv (outside of stuff I catch on Hulu) and my new purchase of an ipod has "replaced" my car radio (which is also broken).  The only MJ music I've heard in the past couple days was the little sample of "Man In the Mirror" on the latest ep of "This American Life."  Too much, you people say?  Whatever.  I'm not hearing any of it.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on July 01, 2009, 04:03:41 PM
Okay, okay, enough already.

It's fine that people are sad about this, but do they have to play Michael Jackson music EVERYWHERE I FRIGGIN' GO!? I'm actually starting to hate some of his songs which I never wanted to happen and I'm sure was never Best Buy's intention, but there ya go.

I seem to remember a story saying the airplay has increased a thousand fold since he expired.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 01, 2009, 04:06:07 PM
Okay, okay, enough already.

It's fine that people are sad about this, but do they have to play Michael Jackson music EVERYWHERE I FRIGGIN' GO!? I'm actually starting to hate some of his songs which I never wanted to happen and I'm sure was never Best Buy's intention, but there ya go.

I seem to remember a story saying the airplay has increased a thousand fold since he expired.
Huh.. I wouldn't know cause I haven't been listening :P
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Edward J Grug III on July 01, 2009, 04:06:36 PM
So far I've only heard the first thirty seconds of Beat It before I saw Transformers 2 (blech).

I guess I don't listen to the radio or watch television though.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MrTorso on July 01, 2009, 04:22:03 PM
Okay, okay, enough already.

It's fine that people are sad about this, but do they have to play Michael Jackson music EVERYWHERE I FRIGGIN' GO!? I'm actually starting to hate some of his songs which I never wanted to happen and I'm sure was never Best Buy's intention, but there ya go.

I seem to remember a story saying the airplay has increased a thousand fold since he expired.

I don't doubt it. We sold out of everything we had the night he died and I get calls all day long because no one really has gotten much stock in. In fact our buyer was so quick with our after death re-order that the Sony rep hadn't even heard the news yet. The demand is so high we only got like 1/5 of what we tried to order.

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on July 01, 2009, 04:30:03 PM
Yeah and I've heard his songs in all sorts of places where I wouldn't normally (like rock stations because Eddie Van Halen's on Beat It or techno shows playing remixes, that sort of thing) So I think 1000 fold is probably right on the money.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 01, 2009, 07:34:27 PM
Have a look at the Best Sellers Lists on Amazon.  Top 4 DVDs are him plus the 6th (a season of Entourage broke the pack).  And then there's the CD's...  (http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/music/ref=pd_ts_zgc_m_music_display_on_website_more?pf_rd_p=482110191&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=5174&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0056FBH1Q1J91QZFGRYD).

Something like this happened after Elvis died.  Don't understand it.  It's not like you have to buy something now because if you don't they'll bury it with him.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on July 01, 2009, 07:54:23 PM
Have a look at the Best Sellers Lists on Amazon.  Top 4 DVDs are him plus the 6th (a season of Entourage broke the pack).  And then there's the CD's...  (http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/music/ref=pd_ts_zgc_m_music_display_on_website_more?pf_rd_p=482110191&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=5174&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0056FBH1Q1J91QZFGRYD).

Something like this happened after Elvis died.  Don't understand it.  It's not like you have to buy something now because if you don't they'll bury it with him.
Yep.  After Elvis died, Amazon's list was... wait---huh?

Just checked the site.  Wow... Watchmen is #10!?  Haha.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 01, 2009, 08:06:16 PM
Have a look at the Best Sellers Lists on Amazon.  Top 4 DVDs are him plus the 6th (a season of Entourage broke the pack).  And then there's the CD's...  (http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/music/ref=pd_ts_zgc_m_music_display_on_website_more?pf_rd_p=482110191&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=5174&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0056FBH1Q1J91QZFGRYD).

Something like this happened after Elvis died.  Don't understand it.  It's not like you have to buy something now because if you don't they'll bury it with him.
Yep.  After Elvis died, Amazon's list was... wait---huh?

Probably why I said "like this"
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MrTorso on July 01, 2009, 08:19:26 PM
If you look Amazon doesn't even have any of the actual CDs in stock. They all say will ship in 1-3 weeks. 
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 01, 2009, 08:25:26 PM
No surprised.  Until he died nobody cared about these albums. Some of the later albums on that list barely sold when they first came out - post molestation trial.

Like somehow his being dead makes it okay to like his music again.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: torgosPizza on July 01, 2009, 10:41:53 PM
No surprised.  Until he died nobody cared about these albums. Some of the later albums on that list barely sold when they first came out - post molestation trial.

Like somehow his being dead makes it okay to like his music again.

Is that really what you think it is?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on July 02, 2009, 05:22:44 AM
It's certainly probably a factor in the uptick in sales.

Death, or imminent death, often has  a softening effect on the reputation of troubled celebrities.

The death of a singer also brings them to top of mind and people can then say "Oh yeah I loved that album (whichever it was) and decide to go buy it in a format they might not already own it in. While they're in a buying mood they're more receptive to buying some of the other albums, even the ones that didn't do so well on initial release.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Courtney on July 02, 2009, 09:09:55 AM
No surprised.  Until he died nobody cared about these albums. Some of the later albums on that list barely sold when they first came out - post molestation trial.

Like somehow his being dead makes it okay to like his music again.

Not nobody.  Are you kidding?  The man had some of the most insane fans on the planet.  Hell, some of them killed themselves because he died.

Quote
The man behind the world's biggest online Michael Jackson fan club has said heartbroken followers of the star have committed suicide because of his death.

"I know there has been an increase, I now believe the figure is 12. I believe there may have been one Briton who has taken their life," he said.

"It is a serious situation that these people are going through but Michael Jackson would never want this. He would want them to live."

Jesse Jackson, a friend of the singer, has recorded a YouTube film on the site urging fans not to "self destruct".

He said: "This is a time when hearts are heavy. There is great pain but great cause to celebrate Michael's life.

"It made Michael happy saying 'We Are The World'. Don't self destruct.

"We fall down sometimes, we get back up. That's the right thing to do. In Michael's name let's live together as brothers and sisters and not die apart as fools."

MJJcommunity.com was formed 10 years ago by Mr Taylor, a London office manager, and has more than 14,000 online users and 30 staff worldwide.

He said the singer's death had left his fans on the forum "in a surreal place".

"They can't accept it, they feel in some sort of different reality," he said.

"I'm stunned that he's dead. One minute he is coming here for concerts and the next he is gone.

"I think the funeral will be where the reality kicks in that he is gone and won't be coming back, there will be a huge depression in the fan community when that happens."
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 02, 2009, 09:14:42 AM
Unreal :speechless:

I'm glad I have more to live for than worshipping MJ ::)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on July 02, 2009, 10:35:32 AM
No surprised.  Until he died nobody cared about these albums. Some of the later albums on that list barely sold when they first came out - post molestation trial.

Like somehow his being dead makes it okay to like his music again.

Not nobody.  Are you kidding?  The man had some of the most insane fans on the planet.  Hell, some of them killed themselves because he died.

Quote
The man behind the world's biggest online Michael Jackson fan club has said heartbroken followers of the star have committed suicide because of his death.

"I know there has been an increase, I now believe the figure is 12. I believe there may have been one Briton who has taken their life," he said.

"It is a serious situation that these people are going through but Michael Jackson would never want this. He would want them to live."

Jesse Jackson, a friend of the singer, has recorded a YouTube film on the site urging fans not to "self destruct".

He said: "This is a time when hearts are heavy. There is great pain but great cause to celebrate Michael's life.

"It made Michael happy saying 'We Are The World'. Don't self destruct.

"We fall down sometimes, we get back up. That's the right thing to do. In Michael's name let's live together as brothers and sisters and not die apart as fools."

MJJcommunity.com was formed 10 years ago by Mr Taylor, a London office manager, and has more than 14,000 online users and 30 staff worldwide.

He said the singer's death had left his fans on the forum "in a surreal place".

"They can't accept it, they feel in some sort of different reality," he said.

"I'm stunned that he's dead. One minute he is coming here for concerts and the next he is gone.

"I think the funeral will be where the reality kicks in that he is gone and won't be coming back, there will be a huge depression in the fan community when that happens."

This just proves that some people are way too stupid to live....literally.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: jewishcarpenter on July 02, 2009, 10:55:24 AM
Apparently these fans forgot that Michael Jackson is a "multi-dimensional creature" and all he did was leave this dimension for another.
(http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2009/04/17/1240012497-dscn2892.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 02, 2009, 10:57:47 AM
Ah..
So 'man kind' has evolved into this supreme being and now our saviour has left us?! ::)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on July 02, 2009, 11:33:32 AM
Apparently these fans forgot that Michael Jackson is a "multi-dimensional creature" and all he did was leave this dimension for another.
(http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2009/04/17/1240012497-dscn2892.jpg)
AAAAAGGGHHHH!!!  :gouge:  And I just got the bandages off from the last time that pic was posted.....  And why is Tammy Fay Bakker in the bottom leftish part of the pic?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on July 02, 2009, 11:33:53 AM
Ah..
So 'man kind' has evolved into this supreme being and now our saviour has left us?! ::)

So, he's like Wesley Crusher?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 02, 2009, 11:34:49 AM
Ah..
So 'man kind' has evolved into this supreme being and now our saviour has left us?! ::)

So, he's like Wesley Crusher?
BINGO!! :o
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 03, 2009, 06:31:30 AM
No surprised.  Until he died nobody cared about these albums. Some of the later albums on that list barely sold when they first came out - post molestation trial.

Like somehow his being dead makes it okay to like his music again.

Not nobody.  Are you kidding?
I don't count those people anymore than those weirdos who propose marriage to people on death row. Or even people who sat in front of movie theaters for a year waiting for ST: The Phantom Menace to open. They're obsessed not really because of the person or thing - it has more to do with those people and their unhealthy mental issues.

As that report - if strickly true - proves.

Thsoe fans can't differentiate between good and bad from what the object of their obsession is.  To them if Jackson had released a CD of his farts they would have bought it with no sense of irony and thought it was the greatest thing in the world.

I thought at the time of Kurt Cobain's suicide that he'd just released an album that he was quoted as saying was garbage - that he'd done it that way intentionally.  And yet Nirvana's fans said it was wonderful.  Made me wonder if it made thim think, "If they can't tell when I'm producing shit, how could they really appreciate my good stuff?  Or maybe I haven't written any good stuff?  These people wouldn't know it if they saw it."  Don't know if that would have been enough to push him over the edge but it couldn't have helped.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Hebs on July 03, 2009, 06:50:49 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zqFoq3qej2c/Skeyn5Aa1oI/AAAAAAAA5G4/WPVSHfNbsyU/s1600/castelbajac46.jpg)

Has this been posted yet?

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 03, 2009, 07:08:06 PM
That red "X"?  Too many times.   :-*
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: jewishcarpenter on July 03, 2009, 07:11:04 PM
Apparently these fans forgot that Michael Jackson is a "multi-dimensional creature" and all he did was leave this dimension for another.
(http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2009/04/17/1240012497-dscn2892.jpg)
AAAAAGGGHHHH!!!  :gouge:  And I just got the bandages off from the last time that pic was posted.....  And why is Tammy Fay Bakker in the bottom leftish part of the pic?
I'm more disturbed by the unhappy volcano that's on drugs in the picture.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 06, 2009, 06:47:35 AM
Well, here's someone accepting Reality..

Quote
New York Congressman Blasts Jackson as 'Pervert, Low-Life'
A New York congressman says Michael Jackson was a "pervert" and calls on society to stop "glorifying" the late entertainer in a YouTube video.

Monday, July 06, 2009

A New York congressman says Michael Jackson was a "pervert" and calls on society to stop "glorifying" the late entertainer in a YouTube video.

Rep. Peter King said Jackson -- whom he called a "low-life" -- is being glorified in the days after his death while society ignores the efforts, of teachers, police officers, firefighters and veterans. In the two-minute video, King claims the "day in and day out" coverage of Jackson's death is "too politically correct."

"Let's knock out the psychobabble," King said in the video taped outside an American Legion Hall on New York's Long Island. "He was a pervert, a child molester; he was a pedophile. And to be giving this much coverage to him, day in and day out, what does it say about us as a country? I just think we're too politically correct."

King, a Republican who is among the possible contenders for the seat held by Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, said Jackson "may have been a good singer" and "did some dancing," but blasted the singer as someone who could not be trusted around children.

In 2005, Jackson was acquitted of molesting a boy who spent time at his Neverland ranch and appeared with him in the 2003 British documentary, "Living With Michael Jackson." The entertainer had been accused of plying the boy with alcohol and groping him.

Earlier, in 1993, Jackson was accused of molesting a boy who often stayed at his home. The singer denied any wrongdoing, reached a settlement with the boy's family -- reported to be $20 million -- and criminal charges were never filed.

"There's nothing good to say about this guy," King continued. "But the bottom line is, would you let your child or grandchild be in the same room as Michael Jackson?"
 
Here's the video..
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=40aee77a-ff06-433d-957b-8a6f25c026bd
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on July 06, 2009, 07:15:55 AM
Wait....this is still being talked about???  SO glad I went home for the holiday weekend -- turned off the news and spent time with my family.  A whole weekend without MJ -- it can be done!  ;)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 06, 2009, 07:26:53 AM
Wait....this is still being talked about???  SO glad I went home for the holiday weekend -- turned off the news and spent time with my family.  A whole weekend without MJ -- it can be done!  ;)
Wait till Tomorrow's funeral :speechless:

I'll be watching The Weather Channel ALL DAY!!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on July 06, 2009, 08:05:42 AM
Apparently these fans forgot that Michael Jackson is a "multi-dimensional creature" and all he did was leave this dimension for another.
(http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2009/04/17/1240012497-dscn2892.jpg)
AAAAAGGGHHHH!!!  :gouge:  And I just got the bandages off from the last time that pic was posted.....  And why is Tammy Fay Bakker in the bottom leftish part of the pic?

 What does MJ have to do with NASA's space shuttle program? This picture is such an odd montage of things completely unrelated to MJ. This includes the suit of armor he's wearing. Bubbles is the only thing that makes sense in this thing.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 06, 2009, 08:10:00 AM
Only relation I see is it's from the 80's era when Mj and the Shuttle were of major interest back then, and the rest was of some similar importance back then as well.. Maybe that's Jane Goodall's chimp :-\, but I don't remember that WTF that weird volcano thing represented ???
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 06, 2009, 08:53:05 AM
I'm still trying to figure out what that thing is that the "multi-dimendtional being" quote is next to....the copper thing that kind of looks like King Tut's headdress but it's only showing on one side of him.

BTW, is it wrong of me to think that the only thing that would make this circus tomorrow worthwhile is if that Rev. Fred Phelps and his whole church (also known as his family) show up to protest Jackson's funeral with his "God Hates Fags" signs...and Jackson's fans beat them to death with them?   :)

EDIT:  For anyone who believes Debbie Rowe (who at this point has to prove that those kids even came from her eggs) has a right to the two older kids....I found a quote from her...

"Before making love to his wife Debbie Rowe, Michael Jackson often engaged in a warm-up exercise which, Rowe explained, 'made him feel romantic.'
One evening, for example, he dressed up as Peter Pan and pranced around the room. On another occasion, he donned a horse's head and galloped around the room on a broomstick."

Anyone believe any of that?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 06, 2009, 09:22:07 AM
For anyone who believes Debbie Rowe (who at this point has to prove that those kids even came from her eggs) has a right to the two older kids....I found a quote from her...

"Before making love to his wife Debbie Rowe, Michael Jackson often engaged in a warm-up exercise which, Rowe explained, 'made him feel romantic.'
One evening, for example, he dressed up as Peter Pan and pranced around the room. On another occasion, he donned a horse's head and galloped around the room on a broomstick."

Anyone believe any of that?
I can see the Peter Pan outfit..  :speechless: Somehow, I can, but the horse head and broomstick one.. Maybe Debbie shoved the stick up his ass as part of the act :gouge:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on July 06, 2009, 09:23:11 AM
Well, here's someone accepting Reality..

Quote
New York Congressman Blasts Jackson as 'Pervert, Low-Life'
A New York congressman says Michael Jackson was a "pervert" and calls on society to stop "glorifying" the late entertainer in a YouTube video.

Monday, July 06, 2009

A New York congressman says Michael Jackson was a "pervert" and calls on society to stop "glorifying" the late entertainer in a YouTube video.

Rep. Peter King said Jackson -- whom he called a "low-life" -- is being glorified in the days after his death while society ignores the efforts, of teachers, police officers, firefighters and veterans. In the two-minute video, King claims the "day in and day out" coverage of Jackson's death is "too politically correct."

"Let's knock out the psychobabble," King said in the video taped outside an American Legion Hall on New York's Long Island. "He was a pervert, a child molester; he was a pedophile. And to be giving this much coverage to him, day in and day out, what does it say about us as a country? I just think we're too politically correct."

King, a Republican who is among the possible contenders for the seat held by Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, said Jackson "may have been a good singer" and "did some dancing," but blasted the singer as someone who could not be trusted around children.

In 2005, Jackson was acquitted of molesting a boy who spent time at his Neverland ranch and appeared with him in the 2003 British documentary, "Living With Michael Jackson." The entertainer had been accused of plying the boy with alcohol and groping him.

Earlier, in 1993, Jackson was accused of molesting a boy who often stayed at his home. The singer denied any wrongdoing, reached a settlement with the boy's family -- reported to be $20 million -- and criminal charges were never filed.

"There's nothing good to say about this guy," King continued. "But the bottom line is, would you let your child or grandchild be in the same room as Michael Jackson?"
 
Here's the video..
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=40aee77a-ff06-433d-957b-8a6f25c026bd

I was with him until he used the phrase "too politically correct".  I hate that term; it's the term fascist dickheads generally use to describe "acting with basic human decency".
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on July 06, 2009, 09:24:23 AM
In a tribute to Michael Jackson that DIDN'T make me want to claw my eyes out, Fox re-aired the 1992 episode MJ guest starred in, at prime time yesterday.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 06, 2009, 10:06:05 AM
In a tribute to Michael Jackson that DIDN'T make me want to claw my eyes out, Fox re-aired the 1992 episode MJ guest starred in, at prime time yesterday.

Of what?  The Simpsons?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on July 06, 2009, 01:45:46 PM
Yep. Though I've seen that one so many times I switched it off and watched Merlin instead (not so good either really).
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 06, 2009, 02:07:34 PM
Never liked that episode.  Didn't see the point.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on July 06, 2009, 02:08:04 PM
In a tribute to Michael Jackson that DIDN'T make me want to claw my eyes out, Fox re-aired the 1992 episode MJ guest starred in, at prime time yesterday.

Of what?  The Simpsons?

Oh damnit.  I can't believe I missed that detail.  Yes, The Simpsons.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Thrifty on July 06, 2009, 02:11:04 PM
Never liked that episode.  Didn't see the point.

It was okay, for the "family sitcom" style of the earlier seasons of The Simpsons (as opposed to the "outrageous cartoon" style of recent ones).  My favorite part was that Michael Jackson was credited under a different name (just like Dustin Hoffman was in a later episode), and it led to one of the more memorable lines in the episode about Itchy and Scratchy the Movie.

Lisa(Excited after seeing the movie): ...and the cameos!  Dustin Hoffman, Michael Jackson!  They didn't use their real names, but you could tell it was them.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Jill74 on July 06, 2009, 08:39:33 PM
In a tribute to Michael Jackson that DIDN'T make me want to claw my eyes out, Fox re-aired the 1992 episode MJ guest starred in, at prime time yesterday.
Yeah I saw that too. (http://storeyourpicture.com/images/signature_riffers.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 07, 2009, 04:52:26 AM
I'll be watching The Weather Channel ALL DAY!!
I'm sticking with Animal Planet....at least until the Animal Police shows.

Weird how - if you're not careful - you can see more dead and abused animals on this network than all the others combined.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on July 07, 2009, 05:09:38 AM
Oooh, "Spooky" (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1197780/Ghost-Michael-Jackson-caught-camera-pacing-corridors-Neverland.html)

Quote
Everyone loves a ghost story.

But only the most one-eyed of Michael Jackson fans could see anything in the latest supposedly creepy goings-on at Neverland.

Footage from a TV crew's tour of the King Of Pop's now deserted ranch, which appeared on the respected Larry King show in the US, has been seized on by believers of the supernatural.

They are trying to persuade YouTube visitors that a shadow filmed in one of the unending hallways is actually Jacko's ghostly presence.

http://www.youtube.com/v/uj9DgeLmzac&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999&border=1
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 07, 2009, 05:37:49 AM
So Jackson put on weight after he died?

Didn't see this tour....did they show the secret room where Jacko had all of his mannequin friends (the ones that were all named, dressed in feather boas and he would sit and talk to them for hours) and the preserved human brain?

(http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv304/tmoney843/jackson_468x344.jpg)

Found this on Photobucket.  Would love to go back in time and grab that kid on the far left, take him away and let him have a normal life for awhile...  He'll be just as talented after you let him grow up.

(and I remember shirts like that...had a few....they were cool)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: a pretty girl is like on July 07, 2009, 08:48:09 AM
okay so CNN just showed the spot where Michael Jackson's casket might be in front of the stage during the big Deathstravaganza  show today and what I want to ask is:  is it wrong that one of the first things I thought of when I saw this was It would be really neat to see RVR photoshopped next to Michael Jackson's casket in front of the stage while John Mayer is saying his goodbyes?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2009, 08:52:29 AM
okay so CNN just showed the spot where Michael Jackson's casket might be in front of the stage during the big Deathstravaganza  show today and what I want to ask is:  is it wrong that one of the first things I thought of when I saw this was It would be really neat to see RVR photoshopped next to Michael Jackson's casket in front of the stage while John Mayer is saying his goodbyes?
Not sure if it'd be wrong, but I Would be a bit Insulted.. :-\

Not a big MJ fan and I'm just tired of all the hoopla already. Move Along People! Nothing to see here..
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MSTJedi on July 07, 2009, 09:09:26 AM
okay so CNN just showed the spot where Michael Jackson's casket might be in front of the stage during the big Deathstravaganza  show today and what I want to ask is:  is it wrong that one of the first things I thought of when I saw this was It would be really neat to see RVR photoshopped next to Michael Jackson's casket in front of the stage while John Mayer is saying his goodbyes?
Not sure if it'd be wrong, but I Would be a bit Insulted.. :-\

Not a big MJ fan and I'm just tired of all the hoopla already. Move Along People! Nothing to see here..

So maybe standing over the grave once he's interred, then?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2009, 09:11:09 AM
okay so CNN just showed the spot where Michael Jackson's casket might be in front of the stage during the big Deathstravaganza  show today and what I want to ask is:  is it wrong that one of the first things I thought of when I saw this was It would be really neat to see RVR photoshopped next to Michael Jackson's casket in front of the stage while John Mayer is saying his goodbyes?
Not sure if it'd be wrong, but I Would be a bit Insulted.. :-\

Not a big MJ fan and I'm just tired of all the hoopla already. Move Along People! Nothing to see here..

So maybe standing over the grave once he's interred, then?
I can live with that.. >:D
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2009, 09:29:04 AM
DAMMIT!!!  :grr:
The Wife is watching the funeral on her Damn Spanish channels! :angry:

I'm gonna have to leave now..
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 07, 2009, 09:43:14 AM
okay so CNN just showed the spot where Michael Jackson's casket might be in front of the stage during the big Deathstravaganza  show today and what I want to ask is:  is it wrong that one of the first things I thought of when I saw this was It would be really neat to see RVR photoshopped next to Michael Jackson's casket in front of the stage while John Mayer is saying his goodbyes?
Not sure if it'd be wrong, but I Would be a bit Insulted.. :-\

Not a big MJ fan and I'm just tired of all the hoopla already. Move Along People! Nothing to see here..

So maybe standing over the grave once he's interred, then?
I can live with that.. >:D

Great....that's where the casket is going to sit.  Any proof he's actually in it?
Supposedly he'll be laid to rest at the Forest Lawn Cemetary. I have a hard time believing they'll leave him somewhere so public.  Thinking of Charlie Chaplin's remains being "kidnapped".  Have this awful feeling someone  might try to take the body just to see what was and wasn't done to him, surgically...if he still had a real nose after all.

DAMMIT!!!  :grr:
The Wife is watching the funeral on her Damn Spanish channels! :angry:

I'm gonna have to leave now..
I'm watching The Room instead...
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2009, 09:46:04 AM
No such luxury for me as I'm Stuck either in my home office, or going out back to watch the grass grow for a bit.. :-[
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 07, 2009, 10:26:49 AM
Took a peak at CNN.....according to them Kenny Ortega (the choreographer of the High School Musical movies and....gack!....Xanadu) did Jackson's funeral!!!!

Still hope that at least this part of his life might have some dignity attached.....
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on July 07, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
A coworker just made me watch the We Are the World bit. Nothing makes me want to ruthlessly slaughter millions of innocents more than world peace/love/unity/hippie crap. Especially when represented by a bunch of performers who can't even sing. Sorry.

Also, there is more going on in the world than this. I'm very sorry MJ is dead but he's outnumbered by billions of living people and a significant percentage of them are living under oppressive governments, war zones, in famine and with plagues. We've lost hundreds if not thousands of starving kids worldwide in the timespan this nation has been obsessing about this man's death. Can we not,  for once, be reasonable about something like this and not broadcast this live on every single newschannel ? I mean, can't we leave at least one channel open in case terrorists set off a bomb somewhere or an airplane crashes or something? Oye vey! ¡Esto es tan estúpido!  :grr:

*deep breath*  Okay, rant over. My apologies, but I had to vent. I hate celebrity worship and this is the most extreme case of it I've ever seen.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2009, 12:56:19 PM
I'm with you 100% on this Tyrant!
I'm actually getting PO'd at the wife cause she refuses to change her Spanish CNN that's covering EveryDAMNthing, and have had to litteraly Leave the home office for a bit..
This is reeeally being Overblown beyond belief!! :grr:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: iv3rdawG on July 07, 2009, 01:42:32 PM
When his daughter spoke...man.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2009, 01:48:04 PM
When his daughter spoke...man.
His daughter... Looked pretty fair complected.. :-\
For the moment, we'll let everything be as it is, but I think DNA tests will be done to determine the True paternity of the kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if their are some starteling results.. 8)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 07, 2009, 02:05:19 PM
When his daughter spoke...man.
His daughter... Looked pretty fair complected.. :-\
For the moment, we'll let everything be as it is, but I think DNA tests will be done to determine the True paternity of the kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if their are some starteling results.. 8)

She's his daughter only in that

1) He paid for the fertilization of the embryo....which has yet to be proven came from Debbie Rowe. Many people have said that it didn't.

It's already been admitted that he didn't father those kids - the sperm donor was Jackson's dermatologist. I even heard yesterday that there was no adoption done and (given those circumstances) that would have to have been done for all of them.

2) He's raised her all and the boys this time.

The only bright spot I see possible in all of this - they don't have to be Jackson's legal children for them to inheriit money if he's decreed it in his will.  There's going to be a legal fight for those kids - Rowe has already said she's in.  The way the courts are...these kids will probably be living with guardians until they're legal age and it won't matter anymore. Let's just hope someone besides Dad taught them something about handling money

In the meantime, we might finally get to the truth of what was going on in that man's life.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 07, 2009, 02:08:13 PM
A coworker just made me watch the We Are the World bit. Nothing makes me want to ruthlessly slaughter millions of innocents more than world peace/love/unity/hippie crap. Especially when represented by a bunch of performers who can't even sing. Sorry.

I looked in when Marah "Gllitter" Carey was singing.....

Looked at that dress she was wearing and thought....so, how many people do you think are really only there to pay their respects and how many are just there because they know this is going to be shown all over the world and will be good for their careers?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2009, 02:08:46 PM
When his daughter spoke...man.
His daughter... Looked pretty fair complected.. :-\
For the moment, we'll let everything be as it is, but I think DNA tests will be done to determine the True paternity of the kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if their are some starteling results.. 8)

She's his daughter only in that

1) He paid for the fertilization of the embryo....which has yet to be proven came from Debbie Rowe. Many people have said that it didn't.

It's already been admitted that he didn't father those kids - the sperm donor was Jackson's dermatologist. I even heard yesterday that there was no adoption done and (given those circumstances) that would have to have been done for all of them.

2) He's raised her all and the boys this time.

The only bright spot I see possible in all of this - they don't have to be Jackson's legal children for them to inheriit money if he's decreed it in his will.  There's going to be a legal fight for those kids - Rowe has already said she's in.  The way the courts are...these kids will probably be living with guardians until they're legal age and it won't matter anymore. Let's just hope someone besides Dad taught them something about handling money

In the meantime, we might finally get to the truth of what was going on in that man's life.
Fair enough.. 8)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 07, 2009, 02:19:08 PM
When his daughter spoke...man.
His daughter... Looked pretty fair complected.. :-\
For the moment, we'll let everything be as it is, but I think DNA tests will be done to determine the True paternity of the kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if their are some starteling results.. 8)

She's his daughter only in that

1) He paid for the fertilization of the embryo....which has yet to be proven came from Debbie Rowe. Many people have said that it didn't.

It's already been admitted that he didn't father those kids - the sperm donor was Jackson's dermatologist. I even heard yesterday that there was no adoption done and (given those circumstances) that would have to have been done for all of them.

2) He's raised her all and the boys this time.

The only bright spot I see possible in all of this - they don't have to be Jackson's legal children for them to inheriit money if he's decreed it in his will.  There's going to be a legal fight for those kids - Rowe has already said she's in.  The way the courts are...these kids will probably be living with guardians until they're legal age and it won't matter anymore. Let's just hope someone besides Dad taught them something about handling money

In the meantime, we might finally get to the truth of what was going on in that man's life.
Fair enough.. 8)
Just really bugs me that he did it that way....no offense to the kids.

If he couldn't have kids or whatever the problem was....   He always claimed he was so concerned with disadvantaged kids, why not adopt some?

Even if he was afraid of offical investigations into his life he could have bought them.  That's basically what he did anyway.  Why bring three new kids into the world when there are so many out there that could use a good home?

Even Joan Crawford had better intentions, in a way.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on July 07, 2009, 02:34:10 PM
*peeks through fingers*  Is it over yet??  Can I please have my life back and people stop judging me 'cause I don't give a crap, didn't give a crap before, and won't ever give a crap about any of this??
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on July 07, 2009, 02:46:52 PM
A coworker just made me watch the We Are the World bit. Nothing makes me want to ruthlessly slaughter millions of innocents more than world peace/love/unity/hippie crap. Especially when represented by a bunch of performers who can't even sing. Sorry.

I looked in when Marah "Gllitter" Carey was singing.....

Looked at that dress she was wearing and thought....so, how many people do you think are really only there to pay their respects and how many are just there because they know this is going to be shown all over the world and will be good for their careers?

I wonder too. That's a good point. Call me crazy, but I would also think MJ's family (the ones that actually love him, mind) wouldn't want MJ's death to be such a spectacle because his life was such a huge one anyway. Unless this travesty was actually in his will.

I've always thought paying one's respects should be about quiet reflection and remembering the person with only the most intimate of family and friends, not a celebrity free-for-all.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 07, 2009, 04:10:49 PM
I've always thought paying one's respects should be about quiet reflection and remembering the person with only the most intimate of family and friends, not a celebrity free-for-all.

That's why Elizabeth Taylor, Liza Minnelli, Quincy Jones, Diana Ross and a lot of other people say they wouldn't come to it. They said that they wanted to grieve privately.

I can understand having a public memorial after some time has pasted.  And some have been very good. That A Concert for George  for George Harrison is a perfect example.

I think the only possible good this served was that it distracted a lot of the fans so that they wouldn't hang around the family's service at Forest Lawn.

And sold records.

If they put this thing out on DVD....   :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 07, 2009, 04:28:52 PM
Oh you know they will..

Either the debt collectors, or his father, Somebody's gonna squeeze every single last cent out of his legacy they can.. ::)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 07, 2009, 05:22:25 PM
*peeks through fingers*  Is it over yet??  Can I please have my life back and people stop judging me 'cause I don't give a crap, didn't give a crap before, and won't ever give a crap about any of this??

 :clap: :clap: :clap:

That's how I felt too.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 10, 2009, 11:30:21 AM
R.I.P... NOT!! ::)
And so it Begins..

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Jackson Family Feud: Where Will Michael Be Buried?
Friday, July 10, 2009 
By Allison McGevna

 AP

Michael Jackson's mother Katherine had asked the court to delay the execution of her son's will.
Michael Jackson's family is locked in a stubborn battle over what to do with the King of Pop's remains — a dispute that highlights decades of feuding.

In 2002, Jackson completed a will leaving his estate to his children and granting custody of the kids — Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and “Blanket,” 7 — to his mother. But it appears Jackson did not stipulate his wishes for the disposition of his remains.

In accordance with California law, if Jackson did not provide clear, specific directions for burial, control over his remains would go to his next of kin — in this case, his parents. But Joe and Katherine Jackson appear to be of very different minds about Michael's final resting place.

According to the New York Post, Joe Jackson and Michael’s brother Jermaine are adamant that the pop icon should be buried at his Neverland ranch in Santa Barbara, mainly because the family could earn millions from a Graceland-like museum at the site. But it is illegal to bury a body on private property in California.

Initially, the family moved to have Michael's funeral at Neverland, but they were not able to obtain a residential exemption to bury him on private property. Colony Capital, the investment company that purchased Neverland in May of 2008, told People magazine on July 1 that the family was not able to get the exemption in time for the memorial, which was moved to the Staples Center in Los Angeles.

But a Neverland burial would appear to be in direct defiance of Jackson’s own personal wishes. After his acquittal on child-molestation charges in 2005, he expressed a desire never to return to the ranch. His mother, Katherine, along with his other siblings, are supporting that wish in his death.

“Right now, there is a huge division going on in the family, it’s awful,” Jackson biographer Stacy Brown told FOXNews.com Friday. “They need to close it and just bury him.”

The whereabouts of Jackson's body have remained unclear since his public memorial on Tuesday, A hearse carrying his gold-plated casket was seen leaving the Staples Center, where 20,000 fans listened to some of Hollywood’s biggest stars pay tribute to the troubled singer.

But just where the hearse went is a mystery.

The New York Post reported Friday that Jackson’s remains have been stashed in a private crypt that belongs to Motown executive Berry Gordy.

And with toxicology tests incomplete and Jackson’s brain still in the hands of state investigators, Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said there were no plans to bury the body yet.

Should the family be unable to reach a decision on a burial location, they will have to go to court, according to Pete Linden, a California-based estate planning attorney.

If that happens, the ruling could end up in Katherine’s favor, because he gave his 79-year-old mother custody of his children. An inside source told FOXNews.com that Michael and his mother remained quite close, speaking and visiting each other frequently.

But Jackson's relationship with his father – as evidenced by his decision to leave him out of his will – was another story entirely.

Brown said Michael and Joe were able to reach an amicable point in recent months, but “they would never be able to patch things up and they were never close … their relationship was very estranged.”

“Michael had a weak relationship with Joe,” a source said. “He was almost afraid of him well into adulthood.”

Indeed, Joe Jackson was known to reach out to Michael only for business ideas and investments. While Michael often supported his father financially, he refused to enter into any partnership with him.

“Michael never wanted to work with his father again, after the Jackson 5,” the insider said. “The days of Joe managing any part of his life were clearly over and Michael never wanted to revisit them again.”

Since his son’s death, Joe Jackson has come under fire for promoting his own ventures, including a record label he mentioned at a press conference intended to discuss Michael’s funeral plans. In an interview with Good Morning America on Friday, Jackson shocked fans by indicating that his grandchildren could become performers like their father.

“I keep watching Paris … she wants to do something,” Joe said. “[Blanket] can really dance. That’s what they’re saying. He can really dance.”

When asked if Joe should have any say in the matter of Michael’s estate and remains, Brown told FOXNews.com: “We saw his performance at the press conference … and I think that really speaks for itself. What a disgusting tragedy, what a spectacle he put on!”
 
*Independence Day alien* Peeeace... No Peeeace...
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 12, 2009, 05:33:51 PM
Quote
According to the New York Post, Joe Jackson and Michael’s brother Jermaine are adamant that the pop icon should be buried at his Neverland ranch in Santa Barbara, mainly because the family could earn millions from a Graceland-like museum at the site.

That tells you everything you need to know about that family, I think.

Quote
And with toxicology tests incomplete and Jackson’s brain still in the hands of state investigators....

Ironically, if Michael were still alive he'd be trying to buy it.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MSTJedi on July 12, 2009, 08:23:01 PM
Quote
And with toxicology tests incomplete and Jackson’s brain still in the hands of state investigators....

Ironically, if Michael were still alive he'd be trying to buy it.

 :rimshot:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: mrbasehart on July 17, 2009, 03:16:01 AM
(http://img.ns4w.org/out.php/i2972_MichaelJackson.jpg?id=edd1978e969ceaca383235363431)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on July 17, 2009, 05:33:13 AM
No, no, no!  Bad mrbasehart!  Naughty!!  Don't post in here to revive this thread!! *rubs nose on boards*  ;)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 17, 2009, 05:36:05 AM
No, no, no!  Bad mrbasehart!  Naughty!!  Don't post in here to revive this thread!! *rubs nose on boards*  ;)
Yeah! What she said! :deadhorse:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on July 17, 2009, 05:59:01 AM
Compare and contrast

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb319/TripeHoundRedux/Forum%20Furniture/MichaelJackson.jpg)

And, in reality
(http://www.hekmat.net/hobby/texts/Faces_of_Michael_Jackson_files/_38471041_jackson2000_300.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 17, 2009, 09:02:14 AM
Well, you have to give the artist a break....

He couldn't have known about Michael's psychological issues that would drive him to try to make himself look like ....

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zPmJexVfL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on July 17, 2009, 09:03:19 AM
Compare and contrast

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb319/TripeHoundRedux/Forum%20Furniture/MichaelJackson.jpg)

And, in reality
(http://www.hekmat.net/hobby/texts/Faces_of_Michael_Jackson_files/_38471041_jackson2000_300.jpg)
So he was supposed to look like Billy Dee Williams??
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MSTJedi on July 21, 2009, 09:47:06 AM
What's wrong with looking like Billy Dee? Who doesn't want to be smoooooth . . . just like a Colt 45.

Oh, if only MJ hadn't been batshit insane and that picture had been the truth.

My only question is why he's still wearing 80s fashions in 2000?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on July 21, 2009, 10:15:24 AM
What's wrong with looking like Billy Dee? Who doesn't want to be smoooooth . . . just like a Colt 45.

Oh, if only MJ hadn't been batshit insane and that picture had been the truth.

My only question is why he's still wearing 80s fashions in 2000?
Yeah!!!  It's 2009 already!!  Where's my flying car and robot slaves??  Oh...that's right....'cause it's the future we're all a little fuzzy on predicting.  ;D

Maybe they thought the '80s would come back around fashion-wise, like everything else.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on July 21, 2009, 10:37:39 AM
Maybe they thought the '80s would come back around fashion-wise, like everything else.

You mean it hasn't yet? So that's why everyone keeps giving me weird looks. I guess I'm ahead of my time.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 21, 2009, 10:50:14 AM
Maybe they thought the '80s would come back around fashion-wise, like everything else.

You mean it hasn't yet? So that's why everyone keeps giving me weird looks. I guess I'm ahead of my time.
Dammit! I was letting my hair grow out Just For The 80's Come Back! :angry:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on July 21, 2009, 11:17:58 AM
I'd be curious to see the other celebrities covered in the articles. Perhaps showing Mr. T as president of the United States?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: mrbasehart on July 21, 2009, 02:04:05 PM
This thread, unlike Michael Jackson, will never die!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on July 21, 2009, 02:22:31 PM
The media coverage of Michael Jackson's death is also eternal. Unlike Michael Jackson.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 21, 2009, 02:23:41 PM
The media coverage of Michael Jackson's death is also eternal. Unlike Michael Jackson.
Yeah, No Kidding! :angry:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 21, 2009, 03:27:42 PM
I saw a book in the book section at work yesterday call "the final years of Michael Jackson" the only way that book could have gotten on shelves this quick is if it was written some time ago and the publisher was just waiting for him to kick it to send the book out.  Pretty sick if you ask me.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on July 21, 2009, 03:50:13 PM
The Barnes & Noble here packed together a collection of local papers announcing MJ's death and was selling them as a fan-collector's set-thingy.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on July 22, 2009, 08:41:55 AM
*bangs head against desk*

Ugh, just bury him so we can put all this crap behind us! I'm sick and tired of trying to have a Michael Jackson-free day only to be foiled by walking into my local Best Buy and him staring me right in the face trying to sell me his latest collectors set.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 22, 2009, 08:46:52 AM
*bangs head against desk*

Ugh, just bury him so we can put all this crap behind us!
If only that were possible :-[
Now with a 4th illegitimate 'Love child' son coming forward from the UK, it just keeps growing.. Like a plague :gouge:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MSTJedi on July 22, 2009, 08:49:32 AM
*bangs head against desk*

Ugh, just bury him so we can put all this crap behind us!
If only that were possible :-[
Now with a 4th illegitimate 'Love child' son coming forward from the UK, it just keeps growing.. Like a plague :gouge:

Love child? Right . . . we all know that man never had sex in his life.

With a woman, anyway . . .
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 22, 2009, 08:50:42 AM
*bangs head against desk*

Ugh, just bury him so we can put all this crap behind us!
If only that were possible :-[
Now with a 4th illegitimate 'Love child' son coming forward from the UK, it just keeps growing.. Like a plague :gouge:

Love child? Right . . . we all now that man never had sex in his life.

With a woman, anyway . . .
:D :D
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 27, 2009, 09:04:45 AM
As more and more of these "disgusting statements made" about Michael Jackson turn out to be the god's truth (http://www.kansascity.com/stargazing/story/1345922.html).....in particular that South Park episode...

Quote
Michael Jackson's nose missing in morgue
And now, for one of the more bizarre reports to come out of the Michael Jackson aftermath ...

The Aug. 6 issue of Rolling Stone magazine reports that the artificial nose the King of Pop wore was missing when he was taken to the Los Angeles county morgue after his death on June 25. Jackson was 50 when he died at his rented mansion in Los Angeles.

"The prosthesis that he normally attached to his damaged nose was missing, revealing bits of cartilage surrounding a small dark hole," the magazine said in an unconfirmed report.

So....how long before the report comes back on the bleach content in Jackson's skin?  And other things turn out to be true?

He was a great singer. And I sympathize that he had a shitty upbringing. But he supposedly recognized that fact and yet wouldn't get help for it. It was, "No, you're all wrong. I'm perfectly fine" when at the same time, "I was so abused that's why I act weird".  That's where he lost my sympathy.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on July 27, 2009, 09:09:14 AM
As more and more of these "disgusting statements made" about Michael Jackson turn out to be the god's truth (http://www.kansascity.com/stargazing/story/1345922.html).....in particular that South Park episode...

Quote
Michael Jackson's nose missing in morgue
And now, for one of the more bizarre reports to come out of the Michael Jackson aftermath ...

The Aug. 6 issue of Rolling Stone magazine reports that the artificial nose the King of Pop wore was missing when he was taken to the Los Angeles county morgue after his death on June 25. Jackson was 50 when he died at his rented mansion in Los Angeles.

"The prosthesis that he normally attached to his damaged nose was missing, revealing bits of cartilage surrounding a small dark hole," the magazine said in an unconfirmed report.

So....how long before the report comes back on the bleach content in Jackson's skin?  And other things turn out to be true?

He was a great singer. And I sympathize that he had a shitty upbringing. But he supposedly recognized that fact and yet wouldn't get help for it. It was, "No, you're all wrong. I'm perfectly fine" when at the same time, "I was so abused that's why I act weird".  That's where he lost my sympathy.
You just KNOW it's gonna wind up on eBay mounted under glass soon....
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Bob on July 27, 2009, 04:02:13 PM
WHY does Michael Jackson have a fake nose?   Do I even want to know the answer to that?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 27, 2009, 05:27:18 PM
What I want to know is why you would ever have your skin bleached,it sounds very painful and I can't think of one reason to do it.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 27, 2009, 06:15:36 PM
What I want to know is why you would ever have your skin bleached,it sounds very painful and I can't think of one reason to do it.
Well, I aspired to be White and Famous, but I only achieved half that goal.. 8)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 27, 2009, 07:03:08 PM
What happened to his nose......too many plasic surgeries.  Too many Doctors who wouldn't say no to him.  After the last one there wasn't much left of the cartilage to support the skin.

The skin bleaching could be part of why they say he had so much surgery - to look as little like his father as possible.

There were also accusations that he didn't want to be black anymore.  I remember the entire Jackson 5 being accused of that back when I was in high school, in fact.  But...who knows?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 28, 2009, 11:32:10 AM
So the only two answers to skin bleaching both point to him being abused and insane?

Who on earth came up with the idea for skin bleaching?  Can you imagine if that was the biggest thing you had done with your life.

Good night this planet is insane.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 28, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
So the only two answers to skin bleaching both point to him being abused and insane?

Who on earth came up with the idea for skin bleaching?  Can you imagine if that was the biggest thing you had done with your life.

Good night this planet is insane.
And to think.. I really don't wanna be White! I wanna be Tan :P
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 28, 2009, 11:44:23 AM
That can be painful too.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 28, 2009, 11:45:11 AM
That can be painful too.
Yeah, but not as painful as dipping your face in Clorox!! :gouge:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on July 28, 2009, 12:04:41 PM
Who on earth came up with the idea for skin bleaching?  Can you imagine if that was the biggest thing you had done with your life.

For people with vitiligo it's actually a godsend. Also, people have been bleaching their skins for centuries with one form of chemical or another.

Lead used to be used, so was hydrochloric acid. It wasn't invented for Michael Jackson, nor was the medical reason he would often give for doing it bogus in other cases (the jury still seems to be out on whether he had it or not).

If you have vitiligo you have a couple of choices; a) you can wear makeup that covers over the light patches on your skin or b) you can bleach the darker patches to match the ones without pigmentation.

A reporter on the local Fox channel (http://www.turningwhite.com/) has the disorder and takes the first approach. It's all a question of which will look better with the sufferer's colouration or general features and naturally the sufferers own preferences.

Skin bleaching has been used for other reasons such as to disguise liver spots and other discolourations of the skin that are part of aging.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on July 28, 2009, 12:11:34 PM
Boy.. You're just a Wealth of Wisdom there, aren't you? :P
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 28, 2009, 12:48:12 PM
As someone with brown patches on both forearms since around the time I hit puberty.....

Patches that has made me the target of insults in high school (assholes there decided it was dirt - that I didn't wash) and stupid people as an adult (a former boss who decided that I'd been abused as a kid - that they were scars from being burned and I just didn't remember it).

I can understand why someone would want to deal with something like Vitiligo if he or she could.  In my case, the dermatologist offered a cream that cost $40 (at that time) that I had to rub into the patches every night for the rest of whatever.  Decided it wasn't worth worrying about.  They're just brown patches.

However, in Jackson's case -

BTW, was watching an episode of "Secrets of the Dead" about the Jamestown settlement and why it failed.  Said that they found traces on arsenic in the bones on site making them think that the settlement was sabotaged by poisoning.  But they also said that many people - wanting the pale skin look athat was popular at the time - used to take small amounts of arsenic to acheive that.  Sometimes they'd slowly poison themselves to death in that way.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on July 28, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
However, in Jackson's case -
  • Vitiligo runs in families.  No one else in either side of the family - present or past - has the condition.
  • If it was just his skin color getting paler and pailer and nothing else....but add to that the features being changed to something more and more caucasian, the eyeliner, the false eyelashes, the eyebrows look drawn on.....and it's hard to imagine how this doesn't add up to someone with severe body image issues.  Those, like anorexia, can come from feeling you have no control over your life.  Look at his childhood.

Right absolutely, but really I was trying to explain to Doc why the products exist, it's not mere vanity or body dysmorphia that causes them to exist. :)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 28, 2009, 01:56:15 PM
However, in Jackson's case -
  • Vitiligo runs in families.  No one else in either side of the family - present or past - has the condition.
  • If it was just his skin color getting paler and pailer and nothing else....but add to that the features being changed to something more and more caucasian, the eyeliner, the false eyelashes, the eyebrows look drawn on.....and it's hard to imagine how this doesn't add up to someone with severe body image issues.  Those, like anorexia, can come from feeling you have no control over your life.  Look at his childhood.

Right absolutely, but really I was trying to explain to Doc why the products exist, it's not mere vanity or body dysmorphia that causes them to exist. :)
Ahhh...see, I thought he was saying that he didn't believe that someone could get that unbalanced and do that to themselves.  That at some point even a disturbed individual would go, "Hell, I ain't doing THAT..."    :)

And when you consider that now they're saying that he probably died because he had Doctors putting him under as he would be for an operation as a way to deal with insomnia...having them wake him in the morning by ending the IV drip....
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on July 28, 2009, 02:11:04 PM
Yeah and that's a really stupid thing to do on a fundamental functional level, anesthesia isn't sleep; you're not going to do what you need to do when you're asleep if you are anesthetized.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 28, 2009, 06:00:54 PM
Ok even I know that that is stupid.  Who were his Doctors again?!  Please tell me they are being charged with something.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 28, 2009, 09:03:53 PM
Ok even I know that that is stupid.  Who were his Doctors again?!  Please tell me they are being charged with something.

Oh, they're working on that as we speak.  Trouble is it wasn't just one Doctor who had done this for him.  This one they're investigating and raiding his home just happened to be the one who was the last one to do it.

Some people get really dumb around celebrities.

And to what Tripe said - yeah, Jackson wouldn't get any REM sleep that way. No dreams. They say that in itself will effect your mental health for the crappy.

Is it long enough after the fact for me to say that when daughter Paris was saying at the memorial service what a good father Jackson was this is the person we're talking about....a guy who doctor shopped to butcher his face until part of it fell apart and get  IV drips everynight to sleep?  Has she seen enough of the outside world to know the difference?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on July 29, 2009, 05:13:12 AM
Is it long enough after the fact for me to say that when daughter Paris was saying at the memorial service what a good father Jackson was this is the person we're talking about....a guy who doctor shopped to butcher his face until part of it fell apart and get  IV drips everynight to sleep?  Has she seen enough of the outside world to know the difference?
My money is on "No."  I don't think she or the others saw much of anything when they were forced to shop at midnight when he'd have the stores closed and open only to them or from behind the goofy veils and masks he made them wear....  And "Blanket"....that kid's gonna need therapy for that nickname....
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Nunyerbiz on July 29, 2009, 03:06:34 PM
ok... so I'm watching "The Insider" ... as I'm killing a few minutes before a softball game and just turned on the TV just because it feels weird to be sitting in front of a TV and not have it turned on.... Anyways, they just reported some breaking news, in typical dramatic fashion, that Michael Jackson's doctor was accused of domestic abuse in 1994. How does this have shit to do with shit?!? well, hell if I know... but I wanted to post something in this damn thread.....
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 29, 2009, 03:53:30 PM
Tuned past VH1 just now.....

They're showing that Jackson Family Movie again for what must be THE 500TH FREAKING TIME since Jacko bit the big one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean, WTF guys!!!

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Doctor Who? on July 29, 2009, 04:44:58 PM
Must use the TARDIS to erase The Jacksons from history.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on July 29, 2009, 05:35:42 PM
Don't you dare, weird though they may be they were still part of some great music.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: cyrus12009 on September 09, 2009, 03:21:45 AM
I don't belive Michael Jackson is no more with us. I had to go to London for a business trip, but I kind of lingered in on so that I can visit during his concerts at o2 Dome.  But the news of his death disturbed me big way. I cancelled the trip. I am still in shock.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on September 09, 2009, 04:48:39 AM
I don't belive Michael Jackson is no more with us. I had to go to London for a business trip, but I kind of lingered in on so that I can visit during his concerts at o2 Dome.  But the news of his death disturbed me big way. I cancelled the trip. I am still in shock.
...MMM'kay ???
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on September 09, 2009, 07:27:35 AM
I don't belive Michael Jackson is no more with us. I had to go to London for a business trip, but I kind of lingered in on so that I can visit during his concerts at o2 Dome.  But the news of his death disturbed me big way. I cancelled the trip. I am still in shock.

What the hell?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on September 09, 2009, 07:29:43 AM
I don't belive Michael Jackson is no more with us. I had to go to London for a business trip, but I kind of lingered in on so that I can visit during his concerts at o2 Dome.  But the news of his death disturbed me big way. I cancelled the trip. I am still in shock.

What the hell?
Must be a form of Engrish :P
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on September 09, 2009, 08:50:51 AM
I don't belive Michael Jackson is no more with us. I had to go to London for a business trip, but I kind of lingered in on so that I can visit during his concerts at o2 Dome.  But the news of his death disturbed me big way. I cancelled the trip. I am still in shock.
Ooh!  Ooh!  I've been waiting to do this!  This will be my first.  Here we go..........

 :spammer:

I usually show up right after RVR catches one, and indeed, he almost did here.  But I got this one!  Yay!

Although I do quite like some of his/hers/its posts.  Particularly in reference to the Jonas Brothers:
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They may are good but not the best.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on September 09, 2009, 08:55:09 AM
I was giving them the benefit of the doubt to practice typing English some more but Good Job! :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: cyrus12009 on September 09, 2009, 11:24:37 PM
I am amazed why some of you guys say bad things about MJ. He was a legend and he kinda established this super-star phenomenon in American Music. I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status. His music still sounds unique and as fresh as before. And those who can't understand his concert presence should better check the documentaries made on him. 
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2009, 01:08:24 AM
I am amazed why some of you guys say bad things about MJ. He was a legend and he kinda established this super-star phenomenon in American Music. I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status. His music still sounds unique and as fresh as before. And those who can't understand his concert presence should better check the documentaries made on him. 
..And I suppose you have a Wallpaper of him on your little website reflecting this, right?? ::)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on September 10, 2009, 01:38:33 AM
I am amazed why some of you guys say bad things about MJ..... I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status.....

I've heard they've cut back music programs in elementary schools but didn't realize how much.   :o

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His music still sounds unique and as fresh as before. And those who can't understand his concert presence should better check the documentaries made on him.

I'm going to hope that you meant to choose between those two words and just forgot to delete one of them.

In the meantime, read something that didn't come off of a magazine stand.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Action Batch on September 10, 2009, 05:11:43 AM
I'm going to hope that you meant to choose between those two words and just forgot to delete one of them.

Maybe not. Many of the locals here in North Carolina say all kinds of strange things.

If you're fixin' to buy that, you might could get it cheaper if you shop around.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on September 10, 2009, 09:07:02 AM
I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status.

Ummm....does the name Elvis ring a bell???
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2009, 09:09:20 AM
I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status.

Ummm....does the name Elvis ring a bell???
EEEeeeEEELVIS?!?!1?!
With or Without his Rhinestone Beer belly and his Swede shoes? :o
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MSTJedi on September 10, 2009, 09:54:25 AM
I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status.

Ummm....does the name Elvis ring a bell???
EEEeeeEEELVIS?!?!1?!
With or Without his Rhinestone Beer belly and his Swede shoes? :o

BLUE swede shoes. If you're gonna talk about the King, get it right, bucko.

That said, I like MJ's music . . . well, at least up to Dangerous, anyway. Trying to say he's bigger than Elvis . . . or the Beatles, even. . . is just plain silly, though.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2009, 09:56:08 AM
I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status.

Ummm....does the name Elvis ring a bell???
EEEeeeEEELVIS?!?!1?!
With or Without his Rhinestone Beer belly and his Swede shoes? :o

BLUE swede shoes. If you're gonna talk about the King, get it right, bucko.

*Belch* Excuseme.. Thankyou.. Thankyouverymuch 8)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on September 10, 2009, 10:16:33 AM
I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status.
Ummm....does the name Elvis ring a bell???
Hell, how about Dylan, Caruso, Pavarotti, maybe?

And I've known a lot of people - now and back when he was with the Jackson Five - who thought he and his music was a joke.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: MSTJedi on September 10, 2009, 10:27:17 AM
When it comes down to it, Jackson and Elvis were basically the same thing for different eras. They both took other people's songs (whether written for them or just plain copied) and made them palatable for the general public. Ever heard the original versions of Hound Dog or Blue Swede Shoes? I like the two as performers, but don't really take them seriously as musicians.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tyrant on September 10, 2009, 11:09:13 AM
I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status.

Ummm....does the name Elvis ring a bell???

*coughcoughTheBeatlescoughcough*
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on September 10, 2009, 11:22:26 AM
OK so

John- 5'10
Paul- 5'10.5
George- 5'10
Ringo- 5'6

Based on general height stats Jesus was maybe 5' 6 so Lennon was about 75% correct. ;)

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: gbeenie on September 10, 2009, 11:23:12 AM
OK so

John- 5'10
Paul- 5'10.5
George- 5'10
Ringo- 5'6

Based on general height stats Jesus was maybe 5' 6 so Lennon was about 75% correct. ;)



 :clap:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on September 10, 2009, 11:23:44 AM
I am amazed why some of you guys say bad things about MJ. He was a legend and he kinda established this super-star phenomenon in American Music. I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status. His music still sounds unique and as fresh as before. And those who can't understand his concert presence should better check the documentaries made on him. 
Who is this!?!  This is the most coherent post of whomever and the rest are all Engrish.  My conclusion:
 :spammer:

TRANSLATION:  Who are is?  Coherency all the post of whomever and all is are Engrish.  The final to conclusion:
 :gouge:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on September 10, 2009, 11:28:53 AM
I am amazed why some of you guys say bad things about MJ. He was a legend and he kinda established this super-star phenomenon in American Music. I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status. His music still sounds unique and as fresh as before. And those who can't understand his concert presence should better check the documentaries made on him. 
Who is this!?!  This is the most coherent post of whomever and the rest are all Engrish.  My conclusion:
 :spammer:

TRANSLATION:  Who are is?  Coherency all the post of whomever and all is are Engrish.  The final to conclusion:
 :gouge:
Brilliant Deduction dear Watson! :o

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: spaceforarent on September 10, 2009, 11:32:03 AM
I am amazed why some of you guys say bad things about MJ. He was a legend and he kinda established this super-star phenomenon in American Music. I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status. His music still sounds unique and as fresh as before. And those who can't understand his concert presence should better check the documentaries made on him. 
Who is this!?!  This is the most coherent post of whomever and the rest are all Engrish.  My conclusion:
 :spammer:

TRANSLATION:  Who are is?  Coherency all the post of whomever and all is are Engrish.  The final to conclusion:
 :gouge:

That's what I've been wondering about this person. All their posts just seem like very personalized responses in hopes to get clicks on the link in their signature
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on September 10, 2009, 12:05:41 PM
I am amazed why some of you guys say bad things about MJ. He was a legend and he kinda established this super-star phenomenon in American Music. I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status. His music still sounds unique and as fresh as before. And those who can't understand his concert presence should better check the documentaries made on him. 
Who is this!?!  This is the most coherent post of whomever and the rest are all Engrish.  My conclusion:
 :spammer:

TRANSLATION:  Who are is?  Coherency all the post of whomever and all is are Engrish.  The final to conclusion:
 :gouge:
Brilliant Deduction dear Watson! :o
I think I'm making up for all the spambots you swiped in right after I got there.  Here's another one:

Cyrus12009 is a...........  :spammer: :spammer: :spammer:

Ok.  One more.  Yo cyrus12009!  Halloween is next month.  I got yer costume right here!
(http://ugly-halloween-costumes.com/scary/Spam/spam-big.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on September 10, 2009, 01:06:53 PM
(http://www.glasbergen.com/images/spam3.gif)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Lovye on September 11, 2009, 12:17:31 AM
I'm going to hope that you meant to choose between those two words and just forgot to delete one of them.

Maybe not. Many of the locals here in North Carolina say all kinds of strange things.

If you're fixin' to buy that, you might could get it cheaper if you shop around.

Do what now?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: mrbasehart on September 11, 2009, 04:30:55 AM
I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status.
Ummm....does the name Elvis ring a bell???
Hell, how about Dylan, Caruso, Pavarotti, maybe?

And I've known a lot of people - now and back when he was with the Jackson Five - who thought he and his music was a joke.

And Frank Sinatra! The man was considered a God for decades.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: LBeria on September 11, 2009, 09:21:30 AM
I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status.

Ummm....does the name Elvis ring a bell???

*coughcoughTheBeatlescoughcough*
Oh...I wasn't forgetting The Beatles or any of the other greats that have been mentioned recently.  But if you're looking for true idolatry, it was Elvis that many had discussed copying by laying MJ to rest at Neverland Ranch like the modern-day Graceland.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Destin on September 11, 2009, 05:30:52 PM
I don't remember anyone before him reaching that status.

Ummm....does the name Elvis ring a bell???

*coughcoughTheBeatlescoughcough*
Oh...I wasn't forgetting The Beatles or any of the other greats that have been mentioned recently.  But if you're looking for true idolatry, it was Elvis that many had discussed copying by laying MJ to rest at Neverland Ranch like the modern-day Graceland.

Depends on what status that your talking about. I dont believe Elvis or the Beatles had little kids sleeping in their bed... Right? If that is what they meant by status then its accurate. If your talking about fame then the Beatles, Elvis and a hundred more artists are more talented, more ambitious, less pedofily then MJ has ever been.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Hebs on September 11, 2009, 06:32:21 PM
But if you're looking for true idolatry,


.... Idolatry ... that's an interesting word...
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on September 11, 2009, 06:35:09 PM
But if you're looking for true idolatry,


.... Idolatry ... that's an interesting word...
Maybe it has to do with his missing nose.. :o
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on September 11, 2009, 07:01:12 PM
Depends on what status that your talking about. I dont believe Elvis or the Beatles had little kids sleeping in their bed... Right?

Priscilla was 14 when they started dating.....and she fesses up to doing "everything but" but her biographer claims they did it on their second date (meanwhile, Jerry Lee Lewis at least married her first yet only he got crucified by the public).   ;)

I think if any of The Beatles were with anyone too young it wasn't intentional.

Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: stansimpson on October 13, 2009, 12:12:02 AM

If it's the same song that was playing when MTV was airing coverage of his death on Friday, it's this.



Big Time Muscle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8huXkSaL7o)

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Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam... SPAMMITY SPAM, SPAM SPAAAAAM!!!

 :spammer:

Aaaand, another one bites the dust.  ;D
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2009, 04:24:10 AM
I really HATE Big Time Muscle Spam!! :grr:
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on October 13, 2009, 05:01:55 AM
Well, that's those gone.  :)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2009, 05:07:20 AM
Well, that's those gone.  :)
Now That's what I Call 'Big Time Muscle' :D
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Tripe on October 13, 2009, 05:14:37 AM
Oh and feel free to click on the link in the quote now. ;)
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: RVR II on October 13, 2009, 05:16:08 AM
Oh and feel free to click on the link in the quote now. ;)
:D :D Excellent!!
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on October 28, 2009, 05:24:08 PM
This (http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-10-28-midnight-grosses-suggest-michael-jackson-s-this-is-it-overhyped) was linked on IMDB....

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Midnight grosses suggest 'Michael Jackson's This Is It' is overhyped
Pseudo doc pulls in $2.2 million from early screenings


A few weeks ago initial reports suggested "Michael Jackson's This Is It" could be a late October world-beater at the box office.  Online ticket sales were strong and AEG Live, who were producing Jackson's planned tour and held the rights to the footage that became the movie, were leaking bits to the press that the film was set to gross as much as $250 million worldwide.  Those estimates may have been a tad premature.

Many of Jackson's fans showed up last night to pay tribute to their fallen idol at late night and midnight screenings, but it only resulted in $2.2 million in ticket sales.  In comparison, summer blockbusters "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" found $16 million and "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" set the record for midnight screenings with $22.2 million.  Obviously, there is a hug gap there between the summer releases and an October opener like "This Is It," but considering the hype it's actually a tad disappointing.

"This Is It" could do anywhere from $10-15 million today, but the question will be how it plays through the Halloween weekend.  That may make the $60 million plus weekend some were predicting somewhat of a reach.

Critically, the picture had logged a 63 on Metacritic and an 80% on Rotten Tomatoes.  What audiences will think is something else entirely.  Having paid $60 million for the rights to the footage, Sony Pictures will be counting on a huge worldwide gross to make a nice profit on the project.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: FordPrefect on October 29, 2009, 12:08:22 AM
"Michael Jackson's This Is It" isn't making as much money as they'd hoped? It must be those darn pirates. That's what the chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures Entertainment thinks anyway. (http://torrentfreak.com/sony-ceo-pleads-poverty-but-the-movie-industry-is-loaded-091027/) Good thing they released it worldwide on the same day.  ::)

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Sony CEO Pleads Poverty But The Movie Industry is Loaded
Written by enigmax on October 27, 2009

In a piece today in The Times, Sony boss Michael Lynton yet again champions 3 strikes for alleged pirates and states that combating piracy could add millions to the economy. He also says that due to piracy, in 2008 Hollywood made the lowest number of movies in the last decade. So where did its record earnings go?

Michael Lynton, chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures Entertainment, is becoming a confusing guy. Back in May this year, millions of people looked on in disbelief as he labeled one of the world’s greatest technological and communications achievements – the Internet – as a mechanism from which nothing good had come, period.

Then, a little later, Lynton hit back at his critics. He pointed to the leak of an unfinished copy of Wolverine, which appeared on the Internet (from a movie studio source who has never been identified) a month before its official release. As Techdirt pointed out, none of this hurt the movie.

Despite terrible reviews and this “devastating” leak, Wolverine still did very well at the box office, taking $35 million on its first day, beating both X:Men ($20.8m) and X2: X-Men United ($31.2m).

In a guest piece in The Times today, Lynton is complaining again. “Internet piracy means less money to make movies,” warns the headline.

Lynton begins by plugging Sony’s launch tomorrow of Michael Jackson’s This Is It, noting the importance of releasing it simultaneously worldwide.

“If Sony released it only in the US on Wednesday, by late Thursday it would be camcorded, uploaded on to the internet and available free to anyone with a broadband connection,” he said.

While absolutely correct, everyone also knows that the following is also true. The quality would be absolutely dire, Jackson’s singing would be punctuated by the rattling of candy packets and accompanied by a myriad of noisy cinema-goers singing their own version of his songs, probably all in D-Minor. The video would undoubtedly bring a whole new dimension to Black or White. People download this garbage but no-one enjoys it, and for good movies sales are not affected – but I digress.


“Online theft siphons billions of dollars out of the marketplace. That means less money to make movies. Projects get scaled back and others dropped. Some potential blockbusters won’t get made. Some new writers, actors and film-makers won’t get discovered,” writes Lynton, adding;

“Last year the leading Hollywood studios made 162 films — more than 40 fewer than in 2006, and the lowest number in a decade.”

But of course, just counting the “leading” studios doesn’t give the full picture. Even the MPAA’s own stats reveal a slightly different picture;

“The total number of films released domestically in 2008 was up 1.8%, to 610 films.”

So, if one casts the net slightly wider (yes, there is a world outside Universal, Warner, Paramount, Sony and Twentieth Century Fox), things look slightly different.

2004 Total Movies Released: 567 Total Combined Gross: $9,327,315,935
2005 Total Movies Released: 594 Total Combined Gross: $8,825,324,278
2006 Total Movies Released: 808 Total Combined Gross: $9,225,689,414
2007 Total Movies Released: 1022 Total Combined Gross: $9,665,661,126
2008 Total Movies Released: 1037 Total Combined Gross: $9,705,677,862
2009 Total Movies Released: 1177 Total Combined Gross: $7,596,626,766
(2009 figures incomplete, total movies scheduled to be released, gross to date)

Admittedly less money seems to be being made per movie, but that hasn’t resulted in less being made – movie releases are set to almost double from 2004 to 2009.

But in the end, Lynton is arguing that more piracy means that less money goes into the studios’ pockets. But in an Ars Technica piece ‘What piracy crisis? MPAA touts record box office for 2007‘, the stats speak for themselves;

“..data that shows the US box office doing its biggest year of business ever in 2007, growing 5.4 percent over 2006 and bringing in $9.63 billion.”

So maybe 2008 was a disaster? Not quite. In another Ars piece ‘What piracy? Movie biz sees record box office in 2008‘, the stats also speak loud and clear;

“Domestic film box offices broke multiple records this year [2008], grossing an estimated $9.78 billion.”

Even the MPAA’s own stats reveal that the “Worldwide box office reached another all-time high in 2008 at $28.1 billion, an increase of 5.2% over 2007.”

I’m absolutely no statistician, but I simply find Lynton’s claims confusing. I can’t imagine that I’m on my own.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: mrbasehart on October 29, 2009, 06:29:28 AM
I was in London at the time of the UK premiere.  Crazy stuff going on.  Question: Should celebrities be smiling on the red carpet to a premiere of a film that's essentially a memorial?
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on October 29, 2009, 06:47:35 AM
I was in London at the time of the UK premiere.  Crazy stuff going on.  Question: Should celebrities be smiling on the red carpet to a premiere of a film that's essentially a memorial?

I guess they could argue that it was meant as a "celebration" of his talent.

I would ask, you really think these people really give a crap about him?  Just look at the memorial service in LA.  Those people who performed on that stage weren't thinking about worldwide coverage on CNN, etc?

Meanwhile, the city of Gary, Indiana is going to be giving 10 acres of land for Joe Jackson's idea of a Michael Jackson Museum?  I know they need the jobs but...
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Trumpysgirl on October 30, 2009, 03:10:49 PM
It's fun watching people try and wring every last penny they can out of Michael's dead corpse.
Title: Re: RIP Michael Jackson
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on October 30, 2009, 05:42:42 PM
It's fun watching people try and wring every last penny they can out of Michael's dead corpse.

Daddy Joe got caught saying in an interview that Michael's worth more dead than alive...

Tito and LaToya are boycotting the movie because it "exploits" Michael's memory - meaning they're not getting a cent out of it.